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I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. Good morning. Welcome to today's meeting. If you wish to address the board regarding an item on the agenda today. Please complete a registration form at the rear of the room and place it in the speaker request box located on the dius prior to consideration of the item. We asked the speakers limit their comments to seven minutes in that large groups name a spokesman whenever possible. I want to thank you for your interest in participation in city government and those watching us on television welcome this morning First item on the agenda is a roll call Alternate member Japan Press and vice chair Fredrickson Member boy here member McCabe here McCabe. Here. Chair Ruby. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. Next is the pledge of allegiance. I believe it. And yes, please. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with the liberty and justice for all. Thank you. We do have an agenda. We do have a quorum. We're missing a couple of members. Are there any changes to the agenda this morning or any additions modifications? No changes. Anybody on the board? No, thank you. Not by anybody on the board? No. If not, I'll entertain a motion to accept the agenda as drafted. Make a motion to accept the agenda as drafted. Second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? The agenda stands as drafted. Item five is the approval of the minutes of the June 26th meeting. Are there any revisions or changes to those minutes? No. If not, I'll entertain a motion. Make a motion to approve the minutes from past meeting. Second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? The minutes extend is drafted. Item number six. Any public comments on anything other than that one of the hearing items that we're going to be addressing today, just in general comments. If not, we'll move into our public hearings this morning. First item on agenda is 7a, which is continued continuation from our April 24th Design Review Board meeting. And it's 24-DRB-14, which is a resolution for the purposes of a determined petition 24-DRB-14 related to a preliminary design review of a new Chick-fil-A restaurant with a dual-lane drive-through on a property owned by 2355 North Highway 41 Associates, LLC, and located at 2355 9th Street, North. Nick Forthman of NARIT design is presenting. Good morning. Have you been sworn in? Oh, we haven't been sworn in yet. So anybody testifying in this case, please raise your hand. Go ahead and do you want to see the picture? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. Thank you. Thank you. Just close your place. I'm familiar with the property. I haven't spoken to anyone. I'm familiar with the project and I've reviewed the site. I also had a phone conversation with a few of the guys about just some different architectural interest pieces on the project. I remember the site and we reviewed the application I-2, contacted by the architect and had a phone conversation and several email exchanges just preparing us for this meeting. I've reviewed that location. I also received an email, but I did not have a phone conversation and I'm familiar with the site. Okay, please identify yourself for the record and the podium is yours. Good morning. My name is Christian Morales and with Bowman Consulting and the Civil Engineer on the project. And I'll be presenting today along with Nick Forthman and all the hint to do so himself. A little project architect from NERI Design. Okay. podium is yours. Good morning. Thank you, Mr. Sherman, and thank you, board members, and thanks to everyone. We're here today to present back on the proposed Chick-fil-A at 23559th Street, North, and here in the city of Naples. We had the project in front of the board back in April, and had some feedback, and decided to continue the application to a later date so we can address some of the concerns from the board members as far as site layout as well as the architecture of the building and landscaping on site. We are hoping that we went back to a drawing board kind of went over some of the concerns and redesigned the layout of the site plan as well. So I took a look at some of the elevations and architectural elements to make sure that the overall design is more in intent with what the board members envisions for the city of Naples. So we're here to present to you all today our changes. I'll start with the little overview of the property. The subject site is located, as I mentioned, at Ntamiami Trail 9th Street North. The site is approximately 1.47 acres in size and is its own highway commercial district with their commercial highway future land use. The site is currently occupied by a one-story building that was previously operating as a red lobster. It is currently vacant. And it is primarily occupied by parking both in front and towards the rear of the site. There's not a lot of significant landscaping on site. It's pretty much entirely paved. There's a lot of surface parking with some landscaping on the rear to screen the property from the residential neighborhood to the back. So, as part of our proposal is to demo, so doing scrap and rebuild, install the new Chick-fil-A building with the drive-through and hopefully bring some Additional landscaping to the site as we mentioned is a very sparsely landscape So we are adding some additional landscape areas We are bringing the building towards the front Up the road to have the primary frontage along time and e-trail And the intent is to use in overall Reach shape the property and get them given some new likelihood to integrate better into the neighborhood. Here's just a quick, oh, sorry, a quick picture to give you an idea of what's surrounding the site. We have a bank property to the north. There's also some commercial building on the east side of Tamei Amitreo and we have some residential, like we mentioned, to the rear of the site and to the south. This is our redesign site plan, like we mentioned when we were back here in April, one of the main concerns was that the primary frontage of the building wasn't facing Tamae Amitreo. We had kind of a longer narrower building with the primary frontage facing the north side of the property. And just somehow the outdoor scene that was facing Tamae Amitreo, but not a significant portion of it. So we went back to drawing board using a different prototype for the Chick-fil-A building that allows us to, is it more square shape building? If the primary frontage of it and the primary entrance to the building will be facing, Ta-Man, material with a significant portion of that building frontage covering the overall frontage width of this site. That exceeds 50% or more. As we talked about last time, we wanted to make sure that the majority of the parking was going to be located behind the building towards the rear of the site so it wouldn't be primarily seen from Tamehemi Trail. We do have some parking in front of the building, just primarily for ADA spaces. And if you spot just at the entrance of the building, just because to ensure that for ADA, just the shortest path to the main entrance to it, or we have that accessibility there. As well, we rethought the layout of the double drive through lane, like we had before, it is still towards the rear of the building, just to ensure that we are providing significant stacking on the drive through area. And again, we're working with FDOT and we work with the city to do a traffic study at the time that the building comes up, or the site comes up for a site plan approval, which is under a separate application that will be heard later on. But we are providing significant stacking but just to ensure any concerns as traffic backing out onto Tamae Amitrao one thing that I wanted to point out is that the existing site has two curb cuts onto Tamae Amitrao one on the north side and one on the south side. We are eliminating both curb cuts and just doing a single entrance onto the site center along the front edge of the property that will reduce the amount of turns in and out of the site just to avoid any issues on Tamaami Trail, as well as having the entrance to the drive-through be towards the rear of the site, well, ensures that even if there's under certain circumstances, any backup outside of there, there won't be any traffic stacking out on two-time and metro or all being internal to the site. Just wanted to point out that per the conversations we had last time, we're also planning on installing a screening wall along the rear of the site to shield the drive-through portion that's on the west side of the property from the residential neighborhood to the back, as well as keeping the existing landscaping there to provide additional visual screening. The screening wall will provide not only a visual screening in combination with the landscape, but also any screening for potential noises that might be of concern. We do have two order, we have an order canopy as well as a meal delivery canopy that are installed along the drive-through area to protect both the employees and cars from the elements. As we all know, like with the carnation temperature, especially during the summertime, Chick-fil-A operations has face-to-face attendance, come out and take orders, along the drive-through to make sure that we can keep the queue moving as much as possible, as not a traditional drive-through. We have the cars stack up to the order point, which is the one you can see there on the west side of the property, and then after the order point, we merge into a single lane up to the meal delivery canopy. That second lane after the order point essentially acts as the bypass lane that allows cars to exit, if, let's say, for example, a meal, an order staking a particular long time at the meal delivery or let's say somebody orders six milkshakes and it's taking a little bit of time. We have a drive through access doors so it's not a typical drive through window which allows employees to come out, look the face to face attendance to come out of the building, deliver meals downstream of that main door and allow cars to exit to the second drive through lane just to keep the queue moving if there's any issues. And then also wanted to point out that we are keeping some outdoor seating here. It is going to be on the north side of the building this time and it will be providing a trailer spadio over that area. So I wanted to highlight that there as well. This is just a quick look over our landscape plan. We went back to the drawing board. We took what the board members said to heart as far as the live-oaks that we have proposed in the parking lot. I know there were some concerns about maintenance as well as just propensity for damage during storms and hurricane. So we've removed the live-oaks and providing primarily gumball limboes and green button woods both throughout the parking areas as well as on the perimeter landscaping areas. We have the perimeter landscape and the buffer on the north side as well as the south side and significant landscaping along the front edge of the building to kind of shield and provide like a nice aesthetic view from Tameyami Trail. Like I mentioned before, we're also planning on keeping the existing landscaping along the rear of the site to provide that visual screening from the residential neighborhood to the rear. And we're providing the drive through screening via North Routinimo, but it's screening wall back there. Like I mentioned, the plantings selected, I know one of the concerns was about storm readiness. So we selected native, drought tolerant, and breakage resistant plantings to kind of avoid, or address some of the board's concerns last time. Let me speak to the papers. Oh, yeah. And then one thing I did want to mention that I forgot. I know there was some concern about the amount of paving on the site, even though we are reducing significantly the amount of paving that there's there currently we're also adding on all the parking areas where you can pay for to kind of reduce some of that heat island effect that was kind of brought up. That will reduce the amount of traditional asphalt that you have on the site generally, will have all the parking areas will have pervious favors, which provide both decorative or like a static element to the site as well as help with the heat island effect. Thanks for reminding. This is just kind of like a color landscape plan that gives you an idea of all the landscape areas. In particular, I wanted to point out the area that is there on the west side next to the order canopy. We do have some sort in the area that will also be used. We're intended to use it also for stormwater retention. So there will be like a small stormwater pond there to aid with the drainage requirements for the site. The site currently doesn't really have a stormwater system. We kind of drain self-site, so the intent is to install a new stormwater system to capture all the runoff and keep it within the site. And here's just a quick overview of the type of plantings that we have in the Gumballinboes, the Green Button Woods, the shady Lady Black olives, that's what they call them, as well as some of the Palm, the Cavaged Poms and the Fox Rock Poms that we're proposing on site. And we'll pass it up. Antonic now will speak a little bit more about the architectural and building elements. Bill there. Yeah, thanks, Christian. Yeah, so I just want to echo kind of the sentiment that we appreciate the time that you guys have taken, you know, not just in the meeting, but also outside the meeting to help us, you know, come to, you know, the best design that we can. And one that we can and one that we're all proud to move forward with. So as Christian had mentioned, this is a new layout for the building. We've come back to the drawing board and relayed it out. This is rotated from what you were looking at on the site plan. So our main entry is right here. We've got an entry vestibule, which would lead into like you're queuing and your order point within the building. And then you would loop around, you've got dining here. This is that North wall that he mentioned with the outdoor patio area that would have that trellis above that would help kind of screen, you know, bring it down to pedestrian scale a little bit, give that a bit of a nicer area for the patrons to eat outside when it's nice. And in addition to that, there is another entry vestibule kind of secondary off the, whether it be the west side of the building because there is parking on that side. We wanna give people a chance to not have to walk entirely around the building, but also have access in and out to that patio. The rest of the building kind of this from here to the left on the south side is all back of house, kitchen, meal fulfillment areas where they stage and prep the meals going out the door to the drive-through. This is your service door where things deliveries would come through that door and trash would come out this door going to the enclosed dumpster area. And so with that, not only did we redesign the layout of the building to get that frontage that we're looking for and kind of address some of the issues that we're looking for as well with where does that patio end up? How do you enter and exit the building? It also allowed us, and gave us the opportunity to relook at the design of the X-tier. So in our conversations with some of the board members offline, we kind of came to two ideas and so you'll see two options here. One is using more of a stucco finish with the two-tone kind of gray. There's accents of, you know, a metal roof that is often seen, a hip roof on these elements as well. And then the second option you'll see is more of a little bit more of a residential look with lap-siding, hearty plank, and then some corbally and elements and things like that. So we'll see that after this. So I guess I can't zoom. So this is the East elevation here. The main facade that's facing the road. You can see the drive-through canopy on the left. This is the main entry here. So what we've done is pulled the tower element, made it the most prominent thing. It's got the most roof visible there with the standing seam metal roof on there. Then there's a connector piece, which is kind of behind that's where that's serving line would be the queue. And there is a secondary exit there for the team members to use as they're needing to. And then the meal fulfillment area, which is really kind of a backhouse kitchen area here, is a little bit lower, gives the building a little bit of balance, but it's not as prominent as the main entry for the customers. So then as we come around the building, you can kind of see the patio trail is here off the north side. That's this elevation here. So again that main roof element entry does have a presence on that north side as well with windows here and you know the proportions I think from left to right falls nicely with you know signifying where the main entry would be and then where the dining ends up on the interior side and we've got this nice trellis out here that's given some shade for that and at that lower more pedestrian scale there. And then you can also see this door here is that secondary door off the west side. There is a canopy there that protects that entry and lets people get into the building there. And then the west side, as I mentioned primarily, is back at house, staff only areas. And as you know, with commercial kitchens, there's not a lot of opportunity for windows and things like that to, you know as you know with commercial kitchens there's not a lot of opportunity for Windows and things like that to you know, you've got equipment that Inhibits that that opportunity, but we do have some player story lights that allow light into that space and then there's some staff use areas that are the team member area in our office. So we are able to get some finitration on that side. But knowing that that's the west side, reduced glazing helps us out from a heat solar heat gain standpoint. As well as the south side, this is the side that you've got your drive through on. And there's a canopy there that, as Christian mentioned, we've got employees that are serving outside of the building. They're coming in and out. So they've got that protection there. It also helps screen the building from that solar heat gain as well. And, you know, there's not as many windows on that side also because of the kitchen, but also it's the south side which gets the most sun in the summer And so this is a second the second option looking at using the hardy plank siding or some similar product. So what that does is give a little bit more detail to the building, being able to do some trim work around the windows, having a band underneath that standing seam hip roof, being able to do some core bullying there. Excuse me. And it just kind of gives that smaller scale detail that you don't necessarily get with like a Stuck-O building. So primarily the same design, just looking at two options for how what kind of materials we could use on the building. So again, there's the stuck-stuck-stuck-no materials here looking at kind of a lighter color palette here with a siding with that light gray and more of a white siding for the field of the elevation. Then we've taken a few renderings with the landscape showing to give more of a perspective advantage point from the building. So this would be at the curb cut coming off the Tiamami trail. The main entry of the building. This is that would that be the north east corner here. You can start to see the trellis off the the north side here and the patio. This is that west side facing the interior of the the lot again a lot of the more service-oriented back-and-house area. And then we'll have those same renderings here, but with the Corpoline and the lap siding shown. And then lastly, just a site context rendering showing some of the buildings on either side of it, the multi-story building on the left, and then the three-story building on the right, which is the blank in the bank. I believe that's the last one there. So yeah, open up to any comments, questions that you may have. Very good. Okay, Shay, what's that with you? Could I see a clear rendition of the north side of the building? The north side. In elevation or just perspective wise. Perspective. Okay. Yeah, that's the north side there. That looks like a diagonal shot from the northeast. Yes. I'm looking for, as you showed on the west side, the east side, and the south side, I'm looking for one of those drawings. I didn't see it in anything that you submitted. Why was that? I think it was just, we've got the straight on elevation here that you can see. And I felt like this showed that elevation well enough. Really? Because I'm trying to compare from one of the diagrams that you submitted that there's outdoor seating for five tables. And I can't see that here. And it conflicts with another drawing that shows that in fact you can only sit three tables out there. So I was trying to have clarity by looking at that and I didn't get it. So this clearly shows five tables, correct? Yes, and you're correct. I think this patio may have been updated since this. So yeah, it's really four tables across here. I only counted three and another one. And so I'm sorry. So on this diagram, there was something that was changed, but in your presentation just now you didn't mention that. I was unaware of it. You just told me about it. So you must have been aware of it. I wasn't aware of it before you said that there was a change that wasn't reflected in the the presentation. It seems that this plan is not the most recent and I apologize. Then could you tell me also what else on this plan is not correct? To my eye that's the only thing. To your eyes? My knowledge of the project of having drawn this, that's the only thing I can see that is incorrect. Is that patio? And we can, I think maybe you're referring to the cyclone that chose the end of the three tables, one in the center and then two on the side. So one we have three on another we have five and now we have an oral stating that there's four. I misspoke. It should be three tables we're sorry. Outdoor dining is for three tables. This is the correct plan right here. Okay and what is the accommodation for people that are arriving by bicycle? I was going to say we can provide bicycle parking on site as needed. We haven't made a picked the final location for the bicycle parking, but if needed it can be accommodated on their towards the front of the store or towards the rear of the site. We have significant sidewalk space where we can accommodate some additional bicycle parking if needed. And why is that not reflected? Well, right now at this moment it wasn't something that was required so we didn't have it shown in there but we can certainly accommodate it. It shouldn't be an issue. Yeah. That's it for now. So just to clarify to Shay's point, we're looking at the overhead of this landscape plan, there's on the north side of the building there's a piece on the northeast corner that juts out a little bit. Correct. But in the overall layout that you showed prior that there's no piece that juts out. Correct. Which is like I said, this plan is missing that bump out. Correct. Which is, like I said, this plan here is missing that bump out. Okay, so that north wall changes and actually moves a little. Correct. So you see how this has a jog in the wall here? Yeah. There is a similar jog here that those two windows have been placed in and then that's where the patio starts. Right. And if you, if I will, in this elevation here, you see that's the jog and the wall that allows for this tower element to be proud. Yeah. And then you start the patio trellis after that jog. Yeah. Okay. I just wanted to clarify it because you don't see it on that view from above. Correct. So there is a jog there. Just to clarify, everything we've shown you is correct except for this one plan with that one jog here and the adjusted patio. Okay, and that was just missed. It was just an oversight. Yeah, that was just an oversight, I think, you know, and doing the multiple revisions that we've, you know, it just got overlooked. Okay. And going back to the previous piece there. Sir. The landscape planner. No, no, the view from here. So in these, when you look at the roof lines, if you're looking from the east or the west, there's a difference in that roof line. So if you're looking at it from the east, the main height roof obviously has some length to it. But if you're looking at it from the west side, it shows a peak without any other roof there. Yeah, so it obviously looks like it can't happen that way. There's something missing there. So what that's doing is it's not a full hipped roof. It's actually kind of a L or U shape. And so from that end you would see a peak. Okay, but then you would also see on the west side, you would see that roof continue along going south, right? But it's just not there. On the west side. What's that? Yeah, this is... That peak should be continued going south as well. Correct. That peak further on, I think it's just a view depth thing. I think that's what's throwing you off there. But yes, this peak beyond would come across here. It would move south to the right. Yeah, to the right. You see some somewhere here. And then there'd be a peak that you would see so it's kind of a U-shape. Yeah, okay. It just inter-looked off. It didn't look like it was missing something there. Okay, I guess another point of clarification. But going back to the site plan, main question really is the amount of traffic and the amount of cars coming through here. Yeah. In your studies, and with the site plan here, can you tell me how many cars in the drive-through lanes this site plan will accommodate? And then, with other chick flays around in a typical Lunchtime period or dinner time period how many cars you have at a chick flay in queue Basically just looking for I just want to Make sure that during lunchtime and dinner time we don't have traffic coming out under 41 that's stalling traffic on 41 Yeah, no, completely understood. Yes, our current drive-through layout, like I mentioned, it accommodates 30 cars in the stack on 30. Yeah, so 30 cars in the stack under our traditional conditions that meaning, as I explained before, we have double lane stacking up to the order point and then after the order point, we go to a single lane, that second lane access at bypass, so we're not counting any, those 30 cars don't count anything on that second order, second lane after the order point. In the condition that we have cars on that second lane, we can accommodate up to 49 cars in the stack. Okay. Typically, we don't see any more than 20, 25 cars in the stack at a time for the drive-through lanes, however, that varies from site to site and will be doing site-specific studies so that we can capture what the actual data is, what the expected traffic is going to be here in the city of Naples, on this particular location. We've gone through the methodology with FDOT because this is an FDOT maintain road and we will be collecting counts soon. We have been waiting off because we need it school to restart to make sure that we capture accurate data once schools start. So we'll be presenting as part of our study, traffic not only for the AMP, traffic but also PMP-hour traffic to demonstrate we can accommodate the queues within the drive-through. Okay, yeah, as I was seeing. And I can just jump in, hopefully don't work for the record. This, the drive-through lane itself is going to require conditional use approval. And that's going to be reviewed both by your administrative staff in order to review the traffic impacts for that particular use but then also vetted in a public hearing with the planning advisory board City Council will ultimately make the decision if the drive-through is appropriate in this location based on the site specific conditions And all of that specific track traffic information will be provided with the conditional use application as well as the site plan application Okay, so that's all to come So basically don't worry about it. No, I'm not saying to worry about it application as well as the site plan application. So that's all to come. So basically don't worry about it. No, I'm not saying don't worry about it. I think those are important questions. But it's information staff has not seen yet. We're waiting on the petition to submit that in the next stages of this process. This is the first stage of preliminary. And just to add to that, we stay up again and the design team take the concerns regarding traffic very seriously. We use one to make sure that board and staff understands that that data is being collected and we present it along with the site plan application that the condition will use. So. Okay. Great. To show you his other point, I definitely think there needs to be a bike rack here of some kind. You're gonna be located very close to Naples High School. A lot of students will be running over there for lunch, especially having that as an option. Instead of having run to the mall to the Chick-fil-A there, they're gonna be going to the new one. So we would need to make sure that there is some bike rack or two there for the students. Yeah, and those are one of those things that like Christian had mentioned. There are areas that can definitely be multiple areas that can be considered. There's something we are considering and you can see that in our floor plan there was bike racks shown here. I just didn't get translated to the site plan and it's one of those details that can be worked through. Okay. And my last point was just about the exterior. I know we talked about the lap-siding versus stucco and you know which one they're both okay. I feel like the stucco looks a little bit more like a warehouse or an industrial building and the lap-siding makes it a little more soft and a little more warm. That's just my personal feeling on it. I think that's about all I had. Morning. So I agree. I think with Doug's comments about circulation, obviously, you guys are going to be doing the study and I think that will help verify for everyone. I frequent the Chick-fil-A often in the other location and I know it wraps on a good night all the way through the parking lot and have you guys have made provisions constantly adjusting to that. And I think it's unique to see the drive through layout that you've created for this. But I think you do need to make sure that, you know, it's up to 49 enough. Because you also don't want to block in your own parking lot of people and then have that, you're trying to circulate people around. And I think you will have some bikers and maybe look at that location is for enough, youers and maybe look at that location is for enough, you know, maybe look at what quantity you can provide in that space. As far as the landscape, I think that you made some improvements for sure changing to native species. I do question is green button wood, hurricane resistant. In my experience, I've seen those snap kind of during hurricanes. So I would caution that species. I think the rest are great changes. I think you know, having the variety of species you have, mixing the canopies, having a nice perimeter buffer is really what we're looking for. But I would just check again on those green button wood species. And I think, I don't know if we have a for, but I would just check again on those green button wood species. And I think, I don't know if we have a list, we can give recommendations for the arborist, for that type of. We have 10 recommended conditions currently in the resolution, and Nate's going to go through those with his remarks. But I'm taking some notes. So once we get through the staff and public comment, we can really get into the nitty gritty on the condition. When as far as like recommended tree species list for hurricane resistant. I mean, I want to think that we don't, but you can give them some direction. So maybe we can help. Yeah, no, I, and again, we're happy to hear, you know, any feedback from the board members. I know last time we talked about some, I believe bamboo was one of the things we wanted to look at, but again, Dustin provided a lot of shade and they're none necessarily. I mean, there's some native species, but they don't really provide shade. So we're trying to really kind of balance here between, you know, providing shade, trees that can provide proper shade and proper buffering, as well as trees that are more or less hurricane resistant, even though there's, you know, if the winds are high enough, the trees will come down, the good thing about a commercial site like Chick-fil-A's, hopefully typically during hurricanes and that type of conditions, there's no customers in sight. We did understand that the concerns about the old trees, because those, you know, can be, they're significantly large trees and when they come then they can cost quite a bit of damage. But if there's an alternative to the green button wounds that you will prefer, we can certainly take a look at that, make sure that it complies with the screening requirements and the planting requirements that the city has and go from there. Thank you. I think, you know, and this is preliminary, so I appreciate all the information you put in here, but that helps us give comments on it sooner. The other concern I would have is your buffer that does but the residents in the alleyway. I see that you're saving a lot of existing, which is awesome. If it can be done, but I would, you know, cautious with grating and certain things often we cut into it more than we think. And so you just want to make sure that you are really providing that buffer because it's very important there. The head row, the cocoa plum and wax myrtle that's along there is spec that a 24 inch height. So I would recommend that being a larger material because it is right at your ordering point and you know, we're the most talking and noise happens and where they're sitting. So I think especially there is where you want to really ensure that you're helping get that screen wall of landscape as much as possible. But I think, you know, I know that acoustic studies are done in things like that and I don't know if when you're doing your traffic study, if also a study like that can be done to say that's how much sound is created on average in those areas, but I think you know that I don't know if another step of having a wall there is necessary at that point to help with sound. But I think that's just something that should be studied further and probably as part of the requirement. And... but I think that's just something that should be studied further and probably as part of the requirement. And. Yeah, and to your point, we've had this condition in the past on projects and it is very tricky when there's existing trees you're trying to keep with, you know, and then in other cities there's been a requirement to screen it. And that screen actually sometimes is double-edged sword because short because it can you know impact if you have footings and things like that to negatively impact the existing trees that are there but as you can see there are new trees and planting that we're suggesting and you know in addition to trying to minimize the impact on the existing as well so I think that the planting you have by the dumpsters with the shady lady helps kind of grow and screen over that area and because you do have some views from taller buildings, though it would be nice to maybe have something taller in the rear of your building where the service area side is. I don't know if you plan on bringing like the carts and stuff inside at night or if it sits there. But if you're looking at it from, I think this is at the south elevation. The west elevation? Yeah, the west is the main, there's the surface, kind of like a house elevation. So I think you have an island, a landscape right in front of it and maybe have taller, something taller there would help kind of so you're not staring into this service area. Yeah, it would be, yeah. This area right here. Yeah. Correct. I think the pervious pavers is a nice touch. I think you said they were pervious, so they'll help with both heat, island and drainage. Correct. So that's I think an important addition. And that's all. What's your position on the bamboo? Because the comment on the bamboo was that, well, it doesn't provide shade, but not every tree is there to provide shade. It can be a noise buffering. It can also just be a filtration system for exhaust. So I still encourage bamboo, and it also hides walls. So not every tree is meant just for shade. There's plenty of other purposes. The bamboo, to me, is something that definitely could be, to your point, a great buffer and screening. It can be a little messy with its dropping, its small leaves. I guess was my thought about around the perimeter of the building, but around the buffer or screening areas, it definitely is a great option. There are certain varieties you want to use versus others that do a better job and are more clumping, but I would say that just from personal experience I have bamboo in the rear of my house. They are kind of very messy to maintain they do have a lot of drop-ins especially during the summer time and they have very strong roots so they become kind of kind of a maintenance they become a maintenance concern. There's literally hundreds of variations in bamboo. No I understand that I'm just trying concern, I would say. There's literally hundreds of variations in BAMBO. No, I understand that. I'm just trying to bring some up. Because we do have to use variations of a boob that are native and that can survive and be accommodated within the climate that we have. I think it would be a great addition to your screening and your buffer areas, for sure, if that can be worked into it. And especially in your back, a buddy in your buffer areas, for sure, if that can be worked into it. And especially in your back, a buddy in the alleyway, I know you only have limited space there, but to make sure that you're really creating a screened wall. I think that's it. First of all, I think this is a vast improvement architecturally over what you've been talking about us in April. I think you responded to our comments architecturally. I do have some comments or questions on your, again, even though it's going to be a conditional use they drive through. When you say, once you get to the order canopy, and when you're placing the order, you have two lanes, and then it switches to one. So if I'm in the western lane, I have to cross over that yellow line there to get into the other lane. Yes, so there'll be a merge lane, and just to explain the operations, the drive-through areas, and hopefully customers as they use it drive to become more and more used to it. But we also have phase two phase attendants on the drive-through walking up and down. That's why we have those drive areas along both the edge. There'll be staff out there. Yeah, so there'll be staff taking orders on their iPads to kind of a career. Oh, so it's not a, we do have an order point for like slower times. T- T-O-S? Yes. Like an order, like a menu board and order point. Yeah. And those would be like right here at the very beginning of the- But you also have staff out there. But we also have staff out there to make sure that doing like those breakfast times and lunch times where the the the men is increased we have we keep the order moving and the Q moving by having staff members take quarters and keep the Q moving so and I think to your merging comment what they do a lot of times is they'll have traffic cone not cones but the they're called gorilla ballers and you can put their magnetic and so they can kind of carve and change up the drive-through lanes as they need to. And correct me from wrong, but I think a lot of the operators kind of learn how their specific drive-through works and they can kind of customize that to make it as most efficient. That's really designed to give you flexibility to modify this based on your demand at anyone's time. So it wouldn't be like a site modification, but it would be something that you can, as you learn your customer base and the patterns that you drive through the operator. Is that like going through Starbucks, will you? Exactly. So the operator can make some adjustments to make sure that the moving of the goo is as efficient as possible. But the general intent is after this order point here, cards merge from the second lane onto a single lane, up the way to the order point here. And I said, let's say for example there's a car at the order, the meal delivery door that's taking a little bit longer than usual because they order 20 chicken sandwiches and six milkshakes. We do have the orders, the face to face attendance can come out of the building and then deliver meals to the cars downstream of that first car and then use that second lane to get the cars exiting that way the queue keeps moving. Gotcha. On the plan, it didn't show those doors there. So those are doors. It's not a pastor window. Yeah, if you look at the floor plan, it doesn't show a door there. Yes, you're right. How did that build? That's called tour max doors and they're sliding. Okay, go back to the site plan second, please. I guess one of my concerns, and again, it's beyond our purview, but one of my concerns is once I leave, I got my, I got my box of chicken and I'm leaving and I'm going out onto 41 and it's traffic time during lunch and I can't get out to make a right hand turn here and the second car is behind me and the third car is behind me and I'm going to get a whole backup in front of you after you've picked up your order in front of the store because I can't get out on the Tammy Army trail. There's not a lot of room to stack there between your delivery point where you're orders. And there's a curb and a back. My concern is that could be a bottle neck there. Just from a psych planning standpoint, but again, you're gonna get reviewed by people with a higher pay grade than we are. Let's go to the probably the best place. It's just a good, one other thing on the landscape. You mentioned you have shady ladies. I know there's one by the trash. It's hard to read these things. Those green ones along the north wall, those shady ladies. I know there's one by the trash and it's hard to read these things. Those green ones along the north wall, those shady ladies. This one's our green button woods. Green button woods. So where the shady ladies? So we have a couple. There's one here. Yeah. And then there's a couple other ones here. Couple there. Yeah. What about those in front of those? Those also shady ladies in the South East corner. The South East corner. Here, this green button was three of these. OK. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. On the Southwest corner, sage, that would not shady lady. I have, I, on the Southwest corner sage, what would not be saline lady? I have the total number here. Yeah, it does say button one. I see it. So you only have one saline lady? Yeah. I have. That means you have a lot of them. The only reason I mention that is saline ladies have a habit when they devolulate. Their leaves have a lot of tannic acid in it and they stain your paper. Yeah, so be careful. Be careful where you're using them or you're going to have a messy. Particularly if you have these wonderful pavers and suddenly they're all stained, they look like tea stains on them. Yeah, and just to clarify, we do have one shady lady, nine of the gumball limbo's, 13 of the green button woods, and then eight cabbage palms and three fox del pox. Okay, so this is the single shade lady here next to the. Okay, let's go back to the, no, let's go to the renderings. I've got a couple of comments on the, you know, just kind of fine tuning stuff. I mean, see the one with the stock out first. Okay, like first impression, my look that is it's got nice proportions and you're massing, you're using color to differentiate the mass nicely. You're in your stack all your score joints accentuate the rhythm of the windows, your carrying datum lines around the building nicely. One thing to stuck out is your entry, you've got this just little overhang canopy. I noticed in your plan, you looked like at one time you might have been thinking about putting a larger canopy. It looked like there's two columns in the side plan. I'm wondering if you wouldn't do something that accentuates that entry more by maybe doing something that looks like your arbor or it's a canopy that comes out over the sidewalk and has maybe a couple of columns on it that instead of an old just an old, you know, a canilevered eyebrow there that it becomes a roofed entry point. I don't think you do you have a setback problem by doing that? No, I don't think we should. Okay, and I think it would identify your entry point better. Right now, that entry point doesn't look that much different than the service entry point to the left. So I think if you may have put a canopy over it, maybe even almost kind of mimic your arbor canopy that's on the other side, I think that would say that's my entry point and it relates to what you're doing on the north side of the building. The other thing is you're, I'm not why you're doing it, the drive-through canopy to the south, it kind of engages the mass. Is there any way you can just pull that back and have it, sort of, appear to be, that column be independent of the mass and not have it overlap the mass and just Let it end at the face of the building rather than let it engage having it engage the building. Yeah, that's something We can definitely look at just to kind of explain some of the intricacies is you can see There's columns here here here, and then that other column is here. So the way these canopies are typically done is there, completely detached from the building, and that allows the building to be built, and then you come in and just build the canopy, and it's just a way to... Well, can't that... Yeah, room to put that column, you know, just... Yeah, right, right right where your hand is. So that's, you can see how the building that's out here, the mill fulfillment area. This striped area is that area that team members are using to walk up and down as well. Okay, so there's no curb there. There's no curb there. The concrete pad is flush. And so that's kind of facilitates those team members coming out, going up and downstream, without crossing the cars. And when you put columns in that striped area, then people have to walk around and possibly step out into traffic. And so, but there is something we've done and can do here is we could attach the canopy on this face of the facade and not even had a canopy there or not even had a column and pull it back as you're suggesting. I think that would, that just looks kind of like a mistake the way it renders out now. Sure, yeah, that's something we can do easily. Okay, let's go around to the north side. On the, see out now. Sure. Yeah, that's something we can do easily. Okay, let's go around to the north side. See the rendering? On the renderings. That north, yeah, that one. I think that you're a sweet shot. You know, when you're coming down from the traveling south on 41, that's the most attractive part of your building. And you're nicely landscaped. And that harbor is just softened the whole space. With regard to your material choice, I could say it would go either way. But I really think that the stucco is more in keeping with a commercial building on the commercial side. That siding makes it look like you're trying to make a commercial building look residential in the massing of it and the detail on it is not residential. It's not looking housey. I also like the fact that there's more contrast in the way you've chosen your colors on the stucco. So those masses stand out. You know, it looks like you basically have a gray big box and you've put these towers on the corners of it. I think it's a much bolder statement for a highway commercial. I think that image that's on the screen right now. It's probably where you're best image of the building. Great. Thank you. Other than that, you know, I agree with you in the back in the south. Those are kind of, you know, I think you've done, you know, you've put windows there, you've, you've detailed it somewhat, you've scored the joints. One question I do have is where is where are you proposing to have your Transformer all your electrical services is that what the box is in the back going there correct? Yeah, that's underneath this clear story window here. Yeah That's our MVP and CT cabinets. You can going to have water service coming in some place and those things are usually after the fact and they're ugly and then we come back at you going how you're going to screen it. So I think take that into detail consideration. Yeah, and we all have utility items. Yeah, we started our actual engineering design on the site. The existing water meters are actually along the rear of the site on that residential alley. So the water meters are, there's two water meters here because the existing water main is along that alley. So the water meters will more or less remain where they are. They're flush with the ground so they're not visible from the street or anything. Then our building only requires a 2-inch meter and it went on a half inch service line to the building. But you get a backflow preventer. Yeah, so there will be a backflow preventer. But that can be placed on the private side of the building so we can place it on the other side of the screening wall if needed. Fire? Fire, there's, we'll be providing a fire hydrant to the building for fire protection and the building doesn't currently exceed the number of seats required for fire sprinkling so it's not required to fire sprinkling but the city of Naples might have different requirements so that'll be worked out at the time of the odds. That's usually the all of the paraphernalia for a sprinkler system and the fire usually is you know smack jab in the middle of the right it right in your face as you drive in if you're not careful about how you try to go with fire to locate it properly. Yes, exactly. And typically if we do have to have a DDCV for the fire sprinkler system, we typically place ballers around it as well to prevent and it should be perfect. So you're working early with them. If it's going to be required is important. So you can locate it not after the fact, but locate it aesthetically. That serves their purposes, but also doesn't kind of destroy the image of your building. Yeah. Okay. And just to mention, the gas meter will be alongside with those electrical cabinets. All that's going to be painted out to match the the stuff along the building. And then for the fire, there we have this riser room here that has miscellaneous things in there, but it's got a space for the fire riser as well So your FTC would be on the backside of the building as well. Okay, so Any of that stuff in the back even though it's in the back I know you show it on the wall, but you probably want to do some planting screening around it or you know Some form of screening that you don't hear you're not seeing the stuff. So that whole corner, you know, I think that area could be screened off so you don't see any of that service stuff in there. Yeah, potential we can look at doing some taller plantains here. A hedge in there is something that we've already talked about. This tree may be being more of a shade larger tree as well. So that makes a lot of sense. I think that's all I really had. I really think, as I said, I think this is an improvement over what you had before. And I think the main concern is what you're going to go through for your drive-through and whether a drive-through in this location is an appropriate solution. And that is going to take a little more staff and PAB analysis to be sure that it is not going to create as a problem in the within the city. Staff report. Good morning for the record, Leslie Dolor. And my apologies I was remiss in the beginning of the meeting for not making the introduction of our newest staff member Nate Jones. He's our new senior planner and we Welcome him. He's been with us for about three weeks and we're very excited to have him. He brings quite a bit of previous experience. I'll let him explain his background and then we'll get started. Hi, good morning. As Leslie noted, I've been with the city now for about three weeks and it's been a privilege and honor to be here so far. It's been a great learning the process that we have and I've had the opportunity to watch several DRB meetings as I've been getting up to speed on how we do things here, making sure I want to get everything right. I'm very happy to be here in Naples. Came down from Southeast Pennsylvania about an hour and a half north of Philadelphia where we experience a pretty large building boom as the New York and Philadelphia areas have kind of been growing. And you know, the work that's done here with the design guidelines and the overlay districts is very similar to a lot of the work that we've done in the past and I'm excited to continue on and I hope I can serve the city well. And I can get into the staff report. Yeah, sure. Well, we welcome I welcome the fellow fellow Pennsylvania. I self welcome to Naples and we've had a pleasure to work with you. Thank you, sir. So one of the first opportunities that I had was Leslie tasked me with reviewing this and getting started. And I will say, we did do a review based off of the prior meeting and comments that the board gave at the last meeting. As well as taking a look at the new materials you see here, comparing and contrasting them to the last for the improvements, as well as obviously putting out the formal public notification is required by the city. So those mailings did go out. And we've gone into great detail with respect to your review and the petitioners overview. We do have a couple of recommended conditions based off of that. I would note that the first three are really in many ways procedural. We would recommend to continue making it clear to members of the public and the board that there are going to be several steps in the process here as far as a requirement to basically go for their conditional use for the drive through as well as for the site plan that's going to be necessary for the technical review that's obvious with the signage any relief that's necessary. It's listed as a condition, but obviously if there's only relief needed that will be covered at that point in time. We also noted as well the outdoor dining. This especially during fair weather, the need for people to want to sit outside and enjoy their meal is going to be quite important. So maximizing that space is actually going to be to the benefit of the user at the end of the day but also a recommendation on RN so that the limited seating doesn't become a commodity where patrons can't fully enjoy the site. So we would recommend maximizing the arbor, maximizing the seating. We do have that down as a condition. We also want to make sure to the bicycle access point, but also the pedestrian access point. So multi-modal, we want to ensure that people can get from the sidewalk along Tammy Amy Trail to the site safely, whether on bicycle or walking. We would recommend either a path through the landscaping, which would provide shelter, then instead of immediately in the travel lanes, or any way to get someone from the sidewalk to the site with an applicable crosswalk where they could get in to place their order and then enjoy their meal at the site. We do find that when you provide pedestrian shelter with landscaping in between as opposed to right along the sidewalk as people coming in and out, it'll make people feel safer and a little bit more easily to access the site. The next one that we did bring up here and there actually a couple is we've talked a lot about landscaping at the last meeting that was covered extensively. There are several portions of ordinance for the town for the city that we need to ensure are fully executed which we will do during our full review with Site Plan. I noted in the last video that there were several comments made about the size of the landscaping and we do agree on that that The city ordinance does require full growth in a relatively short period of time, which would mean that the heights, the caliper and the gallons of the planting should be larger at the time of planting to make sure that it's providing that adequate buffering. The board also brought up when the discussion was coming up about the live oaks about the not just hurricane hardiness, but also invasive root structure. The board also brought up when the discussion was coming up about the live oaks about not just hurricane hardiness but also invasive root structure. And I would just note, you know, gumball limbo's are great trees. I don't have a lot of experience with them. They're absolutely gorgeous. But any tree that would potentially have an invasive root structure, we just want to be careful of for the infrastructure on the site. You don't want to end up with unintended speed bumps 10, 15 years down the line. As well as the front facade, you know, we have the overlay district, we have street scape standards that we'd like to employ along the highway commercial district. So we did request and would note that we would recommend a condition that would just see if we could do even a little bit more with the landscaping there in terms of variation of color, size, species to dress it up as much as possible along with 41. And then there was a question with the two options and we just wanted to ensure and I would make the recommendation whichever one everybody goes with that we don't mix and match. If you're going to do the the hardy board siding it gets done all on all sides and not stuck on one side hardy board on the other. If not, no mixing and matching, just to keep everything copicetic, but it looks like everybody's already rowing in that direction, which is great. And then just the real wall, we've seen it from an aerial. We don't know what it's going to look like when it's done. So materials, just an elevation of it, what exactly it will look like from the abotting properties as well as on site. There was no visualization that was included in that. So that's what we got. That's what I distilled down from our last discussion. And then I know that we've been making notes about other recommendations here. I can go into the other comments that I think I've heard from the board. Before we lose it, the real wall, that is a very good point. From the residential side, they'll probably screen it fairly heavily, so it's just stuck out and painted. But it appears to be no planting dead along the drive through aisle. So you're going to end up with a stark wall there that would be driving along. So it might be nice if you could kind of pull that dive into the aisle and there, at least maybe get some ficus rapins or something that grows up the wall and becomes a green wall rather than just a painted company block wall. Okay. Okay. The only thing I would note about that is we are trying to keep as much, again, like we talked about, of that existing landscape in there, as possible, that's where we had pushed kind of the wall, kind of to be adjacent to the drive-through area. I think once you put it a little bit further and then you have a little bit more conflict with the existing plantings. But again, we have no issue with kind of playing with the location of that screening wall and then maybe providing some landscaping on both sides. It would just necessitate us redoing the entire landscaping along the bank area, which at the end of the day, the requirements for buffering between a commercial use and a residential use will be required whether we're maintaining existing or not. So we'll get into the details of those dimensional standards and requirements when we see dimensional plans for site plan review and to ensure that we're meeting those requirements as well as the conditions of the board? Just our intent, my comment was that that does not become a painted concrete block wall. There is landscape buffer. And the minimalist would be just enough of a trench that you could run a fight against rapists that will grow up the wall and green the wall out or a jasmine or something, rather than taking a four foot wide planning bed to put shrubs it got a minimum You want something to green that wall or just about for that wall somehow I'm sorry Leslie that interrupted you no no no not at all so the the additional comments that I think we've heard in our discussions today Would would be that you know the petition will consider or shall accommodate bicycle parking within this subject property. We would like clear clarification from the Board as to which exterior material options you would prefer, whether it's the full stucco or the lap-signing one. So when the motions made if we could be clear as to which one that is that would help us moving forward. The Patricia Shell reconsider the use of green button wood trees as a predominant tree in the landscape plan. The Patricia Shell provide further definition to the front entry. I believe chair this was the comments that you were making through the use of a canopy, arbor, Trellis, or other design element. And the last one would be that the drive through canopy shall be revised to attach or otherwise engage the main building. And I want to clarify, because there are two canopies, we're talking about the meal delivery canopy. That's the one closest to the building. Okay. Thank you. Okay. All right. We do have one public comment. I want to hear before we bring it back to the board. Mr. Barry. Thank you. There's copies of this. Okay. Okay. I am generally you have to be. Sir, you didn't like the boat? Will you swore it in when they asked for everybody else in? I swear I do with you, yes. That's not a word. That's not a letter. Run the word, verbiage. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Yes, I do. Thank you very much. And this is indeed a pleasure. It's also a pleasure to meet Leslie and Nate and person. And I think you you all are well served. I'm representing, say again, your name? My name is Peter Barry and I'm representing along with two other board members who are Bill and Tom Davis and one member and it's important to keep the member happy so that we get reelected, okay? And anyway, and you representing what oh, it's called a wedgewood Club of Naples and we're and that's I'm gonna begin with that subject Okay, and you're located in this area near the near the site Yes, you can see the very center of the picture in the form that you have. Yeah. Now, I brought it down in three by two feet, but I don't see where we can place it. So we'll have to just work off of this picture. In the very center of the picture, you'll see five buildings in a row, and then around the swimming pool, two more. There's seven buildings each of them have four apartments and so there are 28 owners. And this was built in 1964 and it's the only residential community immediately adjacent to the subject of this meeting. I think we're going to find a good point. And also, our goal is to be helpful. I hope that you did not assume by my coming and making any comment that there's some negativity here, but we have concerns. And we'd like to register those concerns and when they can be dealt with, then we're all benefiting, I think. That's the point of this, okay? I'm gonna start with, we're earning you in this satellite picture. Now I'm sorry, it's so small, but there are little numbers we'll refer to on it. And number one is the storm sewer for that whole area. And underground, it goes immediately west. And now I have to mention something else. This picture is oriented a little peculiarly because north is on the right and West is on the upward. You see it? And I think if you have to constantly, mentally, adjust yourself to that, and I apologize. Anyway, the Wedgwood Club is those seven buildings in the Oli land that's involved in and there's an eighth building which is a utility building that is immediately to the left of it are just right above the number one at Stormsour. And number two is a second Stormsour. We refer them to that one is the Norse, a Norse-I sewer and one is the South drain. We call them a drain, I think you could use the term site planning. Design. Design. It's a site design. All right. Okay. If we look over at number seven, it's just a parking lot. That's the red lobster parking lot. It held about 60 cars. That's the site. That site, 100% of the water on that site drains into the one-way alley that runs along the Whitewood Club in the water. Some of it runs into storms during two. Most of it runs into storms during two most of it runs into storm drain one And so our first concern is really we prefer not to add to or we'd like to reduce the amount of flooding that we have Second one deals more with a roundabout and the noise and light pollution. A third is that one-way alley is in the northbound alley, one-way, and we get a tremendous amount of wrong-way traffic already, and it's going to the design for the Chick-fil-A is going to increase that where they come off of wedge drive at point two and then they go up a ramp and It's straight east to the trail the trail is not shown here, but it's underneath underneath the picture And they're gonna turn right and then another quick right into the chick flake and that's going to happen a lot. So I'd like to talk about the flooding. My first visit to the Wedgewood was in 1972, brought my two little kids there, but I down to see their grandmother. And at that time, the land that the club is built on, which is not in the floodplain, it's above the floodplain, was the same level as the land of the hotel over in your fire left and of the office building, the morning's professional building, which is that sort of that white vertical rectangle and the red lobster, which didn't exist and the bank and the jewelry store. It was there about the same level, not quite. It was a very level land as Harold's, is it Harold's the restaurant, you know, is now. Okay. If that was in 1972, where their office building is now, that was a tennis court. And in that time, the hotel on the best western that's on the lower left corner. They're built two new buildings. And when they did, they raised the parking lot, not by much, but maybe a foot and a half. When they built, is that telling me I talked too long? We have another speaker here. I don't know if he's part of your board. We could see your time, his time to you. We have another speaker here. I don't know if he's part of your board. We could see your time, his time to you, that you could have more time to explain. I'm not part of the board. You're not part of the board. What, give me about three minutes. Does any of you, if one of your other board members signs in, we can, and you see your time to him, he can have another seven minutes. Virtually sign in. Right now. and you see your time to him, he can have another seven minutes. Virtually sign in. Right now. Get him back and just put a record sign in and we'll give you his time. Okay? Three, four minutes and I'm finished. Okay. We want to hear all your issues. Okay. So the parking lot of the best western and the lower left that was raised, not much about a foot-foot-and-a-half. The elevation of the land and the parking for the professional building that was at up about two and a half feet. Red Lobster land right now is about a foot and a half, a high, higher. The bank building is five feet higher and the channel almost all of the rainwater down a ramp. That ramp is number three. It's got a slant about like this. And then we move over to number five, that's a jewelry store run by a really wonderful woman. And it is about probably seven feet above the original land. And then immediately to North of it, immediately to its right, it's like a berm goes down. And there's a concrete curb that's designed so that not a single drop of rain water that lands on the jewelry building is going to go down in the Harrell's restaurant. You know, when't run west, it runs south. And it's channeled. It runs south from the jewelry store across the bank. It down that ramp, it supposedly goes over to two, but actually it even goes to storm during one. I think that that shouldn't be allowed. And what our concern is with the new building of the Red Lobster parking lot structure, are we going to add some more feet? We're going to add some more water? Or maybe this is an opportunity to reduce the amount of water that has to be dealt with. That's the thing. That covers the, you know, the noise and light pollution is another meeting, I think. We think that's sort of significant. I'll take any question you've got. And you've got 14 more seconds. Thank you for your comments. And just the noise and light pollution by code they cannot have light pollution. So by code when the when staff reviews their sight lighting the light cannot go beyond their property line. Okay. Noise is another issue. And just drainage you have to now keep all of your water on site in the commoner you heard. The gentlemen say that there's going to be a ponding area on a long area that all that water will be retained on site and percolated and drained out. The bank building has a soil I think is the term. Yeah. And yeah, it fills up and so forth. And so all that water didn't go that way. It was channelled in the White Shrive, in a swampy area there. But the amount that it contained was insignificant. I remember my wife walked out in the area of the north, you know, the storm drain too, or the area of three, whether it's gotten number three, one time in a rain, and it came up to a bover knee, and then she read about, read an ounce and snakes, and I don't think she'll do that again. So I'm hoping that the site plans for this location addresses the problem of where is the water goal? It can't continue to go on the wood drive and fix it after they build a new building in a sort of a shame. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you for your comments. Thank you. All right. Bringing it back to the board. I'm just like the speaker. Oh, wait. That's right. We did have this second speaker. Sorry. OK. Identify yourself for the record. Sure. Anthony Matante, property owner, 2, 3, 3, 5, Tammy and me, trail North, Morinx Professional Building. I represent unit 507. I don't represent every owner in the building. Okay. Have you been sworn in? I've just did with... Okay, very good. Perfect. I just want to say at a macro level in support of this project, much better lunch option than a vacant red lobster currently. I was here at the first meeting in the second meeting, I think vastly improved. Absolutely. One item that I didn't see on there was there are a couple of banyan trees that are almost bordering the property line between us to the south and them to the north currently. I don't know exactly what species they are they appear to be native so I just want to make sure carers taken with those. They're looking pretty good shape and then also I just didn't see a southern basically our view on a 3D rendering. And I'm in construction, I'm a builder too. So I understand costs of certain things, but I just wanna make sure that we're not forgotten and we're just the warehouse side of the, it's mainly a lot of doctors and attorneys in there. So it's a quiet building. So is the tree or trees you're referring to in the Southwest corner? Correct. Yes. Okay. It doesn't look like it's on their property. No property, but we can double check. It's the little close. Looks like it's on. Correct. Yeah, it's on our property. Just I want to make sure that cares taken to the process. We won't be allowed to touch anything. You want to protect it doing construction. Correct. Yeah. Yeah, there'll be like self-fencing and three barrier barricades and stuff. And so that's part of the means and methods. But based on your plans, is there a plan to replace the banion or whatever tree that is in the Southwest corner on Your property with a green button wood because it looks like it on your plans Well, look like there's a banion down there. If it on our property or it it's hard to tell because it has a pan of paint. It is hard to tell. It looks like it's very hard to tell. I would without seeing a survey, it's pretty close. It looks like a gumbo limbo. You have the gumbo limbo there, which looks like it would be underneath the canopy. The slight of this band-in tree. So I think his point, you know, you just have to be cautious. If you're not constructing the building over there you shouldn't be hitting the branches, but you know that's Things come in through there and smack branches off and I think that's his concern I can't tell if the other one is there a second one you said I There's another tree that's up. There's the four palms and it's up, but it's worthy Entry is but I think you know those are doing a great job screening now. And so it has point the cautious, but also relooking at your buffer. Because right now it looks like you're planting trees underneath that. And so I know you have to meet requirements. But if you look, if you look at a satellite view of the lot, that, that Southwest corner, that combo limbo looks like it's either partially on your property line or, you know, right on the property line that the silver button would you have in that southwest corner would either be directly underneath that gumbo limbo the banyan or you'd be removing that banyan in order to put that button wood in there. Yeah well I mean we'll ensure not to remove any existing vegetation obviously my chore trees and are very important so I mean, we'll ensure not to remove any existing vegetation. Obviously, my chore trees are very important. So I mean, if we need to relocate the location of that, so the button would in order to accommodate the canopy of the existing trees, or something we can do. OK. Yeah, I might have my landscape architect go out there and view that visually and try to figure out what they can do to massage that to make sure that that doesn't happen. And those are notes that we'll be taking here for when the site plan comes in. We'll ask for that survey information, things of that nature to confirm that, you know, that's not gonna be an issue. And if that results in revised landscape plans, those are the types of things we expect to see as the project evolves through the process. So there may be, you will likely see changes to the landscape plan when it comes back in for final design. I was making that a condition to care for that, the mature banion trees on the Southwest corner of the property. Well, I'd leave that up to the city arborist. I mean, there might be a reason that they would like to, you know, that they don't necessarily want to protect a banion which- So our city arborist works with our tree species in the public right of way, not on private property. So this direction from the board is a reminder to staff when those landscape plans come in for site plan review, as well as to yourselves when it comes back for final design to make sure that before we get into construction, that this area has been thoughtfully considered. So we'll make a note, but we can also include a condition, something along the lines that Carol will be taken with respect to the existing landscape in the southwest corner of the site. And then that's enough for us to trigger when we're looking at site plan to double check in this area as well as you guys when you get it back up final deer. If the lines get parked, they come back and said it's diseased and it's, you know, it's got short life and you gotta take it down, that's one thing. But if it's a sound mature tree. Also, if it's entirely on the South property line, this project can't touch it anyway. Can't touch it anyway. It's not on their property. These are things we'll determine when we get the more technical drawings in the next stage. Yep. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. I had to bring it back to the board. I think the only lesson that's to confirm the materiality of this building. I know we've discussed and I may buy a comment. Is it? Stucco or is it siding? So I was the one that brought up the lap siding as a potential option. I'm happy to revoke that and go with the stucco. I think that both options look pretty solid. So I think that if the board in general likes the stucco, I'm happy to go with that. I don't have a problem with that. One other point that I as I'm looking at this with the in regards to traffic and I know that we've been over this and I know that there's going to be a site plan review to go over all this. But just looking at this having one entrance and exit point on this property with the amount of traffic flow coming through in and out of here and having the only two Handicap spots being right where all the traffic is coming in and out in those handicapped individuals just a back out into that traffic To me seems like a serious issue where they might sit there for hours trying to get out of there. Sure, without some external help. Nate and I were just discussing that a little bit here at the dice. And we tend to agree. I'll make my standard caveat that as a preliminary design review application, we expect to see some changes as the project moves forward through the Techno more technical review. And that's one that jumped out to the both of us as well with this iteration. So, you know, those issues will be vetted through the administrative review as well. And then the overall site functioning for the drive-through is again, that is up for PAB and City Council review and that again is another public hearing process. So we really encourage any neighbors or folks that are concerned about that particular use to watch your mailbox. I can't tell you when that's going to happen. It kind of depends on the plans and the things that we get but we do send a public notice in advance of any public hearings and so and they're also welcome to to reach out to our department and just ask for status updates where things in the process and we're happy to provide that information as well. Having our allowing to access to the property would give an island in the middle there to be able to use as a buffer for both, you know, handicapped cars to come in and out and not have traffic backing up into it as well as for pedestrian traffic to get to the building because also with one entrance and exit pedestrian traffic to get to the building because also with one entrance and exit pedestrian traffic to get to the building is near impossible without having to weave through cars that are trying to get in and out of there quickly that it's a It's a roadway that we don't control so there's certainly coordination with the state in terms of access points And again, that's our traffic engineer, our deputy city engineer is well versed in dealing with these particular issues on a lot of other projects. I'm sure, not one of them. But it is your spot on. These are issues that we have identified just looking at these plans too that we are gonna get into as we get more detail. And I think that only exacerbates the condition. I was talking about an exiting and you can't get on. Now you have a row of cars and somebody wants to back out or somebody is trying to back out and the row of cars exiting. That is a bottle neck. And bottling more in the exiting than the entrance because you drive in and you have some relief. But exiting from the food pickup area and somebody backing out of those that row of parking spaces and traffic on 41, that's a bottom leg. Okay. So did we get direction on back to the exterior? Stucco. Stucco? Stucco? Stucco, okay. I don't care a preference. I don't have a preference. Stucco. Stucco. Stucco. Stucco. Stucco. Stucco. Stucco. Stucco. Stucco. Stucco. Stucco. Stucco. Stucco. Stucco. Stucco. Stucco. Stucco. Stucco. All right. I can read. Would you rather I just read a new one? Sorry, David. Would you you want me to read all of them? Or would you rather me read the new ones that have been? Yes, the public and for the record made it read the most. You got it. Actually, I'll let Nate do it. I can just try and look at them myself. All right. Starting from the beginning then. Oh, thank you Leslie. So, condition number one, the project must obtain site plan approval prior to submission for final design review, consideration. Condition number two, the proposed drive-through must be granted conditional use approval prior to the final design review. Condition number three, the proposed signage shall receive all required relief as noted in the submission and further be subject to final review for compliance with city ordinances. Condition number four, the petitioners should consider expanding the outdoor dining to provide for liveway street presence. Outdoor dining will require city council approval prior to final design review submittal. Condition number five. The petitioner should consider providing pedestrian access to the restaurant from sidewalk via a walking path through the designed land, I'm sorry, through the landscaped frontage and a crosswalk at the interior of the site. Condition number six, the petitioner shall consider amending the general landscape plan to provide for greater variety, size, bulk of plantings, which promote the appearance of mature vegetation throughout the site. Condition number seven, the petitioner shall consider amending the landscape plan to include larger and more mature plantings along the primary street frontage with greater variety of ornamental specimens from street view. Number eight, the petitioner should consider amending the landscape plan to ensure that immediate buffer is provided to the south and to the west of the property by planting larger and more mature plantings. Number nine, the petitioner should consider utilizing, well actually we decided on Stucco so we'll remove that one. Number 10 included with the final design review submittal the petitioner shall provide elevations for the rear wall showing materials and colors and consider a vine or similar planting along the wall. Number 11, plans will be revised to accommodate bicycle parking. Number 12, yep, the board approves the stucco. Number 13, the petitioner shall reconsider the use of green button wood as the predominant trees of the landscape plan. Fourteen, the petitioner shall provide further definition to the front entry through the use of canopy, arbor, or trellis, or other design element. 15, the meal delivery drive through canopy shall be revised to attach the otherwise engaged to the main building. And number 16, care will be taken with respect to the existing landscape in the southwest corner of the property. You missed one. The petitioner's shelf screen, all mechanical and utility services that we're building with, with headgear screen. Another question, where's your air conditioning here in the roof? Correct. Correct. They're on the roof and they're completely screened by the parapet and or those. I just was it be when you bring it back to us. Yeah, we want to make sure that, you know, from the street and from the surroundings, you're not seeing that equipment. If so, you know, do it, do a side analysis before and so you know whether you need to screen it or not. Okay. Nate, can you read number 13 about the button woods? I've got it right here. The petitioner shall reconsider the use of green button wood as a predominant tree in the landscape plan. Okay. There's one that I think this came from staff. It wasn't us on the rear, vines growing up the wall. Where did that come from? I think they meant at the screening wall. On the screen, the wall of the unit, not the wall of the building, the problem. Okay, okay. That we do say. Okay. In about checking the existing tree conditions. Where is that? That's already. I bring it back. If there's no more comments, I will entertain a motion. Make a motion to approve the preliminary design review for petition 24-DRB-14 at property 2355 North Highway 41 with staff conditions. The exclusive of the candidates. Oh, oh, thank you. Thank you. As red. Second. Go call please. Alternate member Dupont. Yes. Vice Chair Brothers and his absent. Member Boy. Yes. Member McKay. Yes. Chair Chair Frithensson is absent. Member Void. Yes. Member McKee. Yes. Chair Ruil. Yes. Thank you, gentlemen. I know we kept you here a while, a little longer than usual, but I think we've resolved a bunch of things. Thank you so much. Thank you very much for your time today. OK. Great time. Yeah, we've been here for almost two hours, unfortunately. We're going to take a 10 minute break. So we're in recess. We're back in order. Next item on the agenda is 7B, which was continued from a June 26, 2024 Design Review Board Meeting. It's regarding 24-DRB-18, which is resolution for the purposes of determining petition 24-DRB-18, relating to a preliminary design review of a new Rolls-Royceiolorship on a property owned by TT of Naples Inc. And located at 710 9th Street, North, Praxis 3 presenting. Chair. And there are three people here. Look at this. Chair, before we get started, I think we, they have a little bit of housekeeping. We need to take care of with respect to the member of the board that are going to be hearing this particular item. Okay. Sabrina, go ahead. I'll be recusing myself from this as my company, my firm, RBI planning is working with Mr. Burr and the automotive management services. So I will be. She will fill out a conflict of interest form and then provide it to the clerk and then she will not be in the room for this hearing today. Which is within all of our policies and regulations. That's correct. Thank you very much for bringing that up. Sabrina, I appreciate it. And we still have a quorum so we can move forward. Thank you, Valley. All right. Have you been sworn in? Let's do that first, and then you can identify yourself. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. Thank you. Okay. Would you like to identify? First, let us do a disclosure, then you can identify yourself. I've been to the site. I live very near here, so I drive by it every day. I've reviewed your application, and I'm familiar with both. Extremely familiar with both the site and the application. I'm also the Lake Park Association President, so I've gotten numerous input from the neighbors about the potential project. Famous with the site, reviewed the application, have had no contact with the applicants. Okay, identify each of yourselves for the record. Yeah, with that, my name is Jim France with RVI Planning and Landscape Architecture, a planner on the team. We also have Tim Keane and Nick Burnt representing the engineer and our applicant today Who's the architect of the of the project? We're gonna be speaking for the architectural elements. You don't have an architect here not here today. No Okay, If you wish. So as you all are aware, the project is located at 710 9th Street North. That property is highlighted in yellow on the screen and it makes up about 1.72 acres in size. On the lower left handhand side, you see the existing building that you're all familiar with with those commercial uses there. What we are proposing for the Rolls-Royce building is approximately 22,500 square foot building with a maximum height of 42 feet. That is allowed within the C2 general commercial zoning district and the commercial highway future land use category. The property you see before I move on has three different frontages so along 9th Street, 8th Ave, North and 7th Ave, North as well. And there is there's no access currently to ninth street to Tamgami Trail and and will maintain that limitation as we go forward. You can't see it really well with this highlight we might see it on the next slide but there is a alleyway that is right behind the property coming from eighth street or eighth Ave North and then it jogs to the east. Right now we'll get more into the layout of the site but the residential properties behind this are separated by that alleyway there. Surrounding the property is a mix of commercial uses to the south residential to the east. There's a rehabilitation center to the west and another car dealership to the north. The proposed building a quick look at some of those materials that we'll see throughout the next couple of slides. You can see the concrete deck with the cable rail for those upper, for that upper level on the left. The building facade will include these ACM panels along the front, that you see in the middle, along the front and the sides of the building. And then the rear of the building will be a smooth stucco that's scored to mimic those panels as well. And then you can see in the entryway there will be a combination of, sorry, lost my place there, of the glass, the chrome and the coated steel that make up the entryways. So that all comes together looking at the site from the northwest. So this would be on 9th Ave or yeah, looking towards the south. You can see the entry in the front of the building with parking along the street. There's also a ramp on the north side of the property that leads up to the 2nd and 3rdlevel parking. And towards the, what looks like the middle of this image is the service bay door. Another view from the southwest, so moving down the street a little ways, another service bay door, more parking along this side. Those that paneling continues along this side of the building as well. And as we move to the more direct front view from 9th Street North here you see that ramp coming up on the left hand side entryway in the center. From eighth-av north looking at the property, this is what that side view of the building looks like. Again, you can see the ramp leading up the backside of the building. And then this is the building facade from the rear alleyway behind the building. You can see the doors are, sorry, the service bays are completely enclosed by doors, are intended to remain closed during the day and throughout service. It's an air conditioned service area. So this will not be an open use area right next to the residential area. This is the view from 7th Ave North. Looking north, again you see that service bay door and there will be a drive aisle in the rear of the building. We'll see that again in a second. So here's that drive aisle that we mentioned. This particular view of the site plan doesn't show that Alley Wave really well here, but essentially the Alley Wave will be on the outside of our wall, off of our property, and all of the business related to the dealership will occur within the site plan. There will be a wall along this property line adjacent to the residential as well as landscaping and the rear entrances will also be gated. So the building itself internally will be the showroom service area, lobby and offices that will all occur on the first floor, level two and three, those will all be in inventory parking and our required parking for the use is all located outside of the gated areas in front of the building. The external interface of this site plan includes an increase in landscaping, just meeting the required buffer requirements for the property. We'll also have a minimum five to maximum six foot fence on the rear of the property, as I mentioned, and all the vehicle traffic associated with this property will be on site. There won't be any use of that alley that is behind the building. I mentioned there'd be some increased landscaping. If we go back to that initial image, there's really minimal landscaping on the property right now. On the top of the screen here, you see those example species that will be located closest to the residential area. And then on the bottom of the screen, these are the sides and front of the building. You can see the buffer goes all the bottom of the screen, these are the sides and front of the building. You can see the buffer goes all the way around the building. There's also along the north side on 8th Ave. There are a couple of existing mahogany trees that will either remain or be replaced. And we'll see that again on another slide. We did hold a neighborhood meeting on May 6th down at the Oasis Church and had a handful of folks come and provide some comments, had some feedback, and talked through that site plan in particular where we interface with the neighborhood behind us. And here you see the existing conditions and that's kind of why that conversation occurred. So right now the left side is the southern end of the property where we're looking at 7th Ave down at the end of that drive. And then on the right side This is looking at the property from eighth Ave North the way that the site is laid out right now and The way that the building is used it appears to be a single alleyway that cuts all the way from the north to the south of the property the actual alleyway ends around here and then jogs left east. The portion here is actually on the property. And so that will remain on the property, but the fence will actually end at the alleyway here. Right now, the back of that building is open to the alleyway and you can see the dumpster is really just open to the residential community behind us. So all of that activity, the dumpster, they'll all be located within the wall of the new property line. And here you see what that looks like with the buffer and wall installed as well. So you can see that five to six foot wall and the plantings on the outside of the wall. And then over here on the right hand front of the building, again, here you see the revised landscape buffer. Right now there's a small hedge, and so this will be a pretty significant improvement along the street. That's the really rough overview of our project. We know you all have a number of questions, and all three of us are up here ready for wherever you might want to go. Doug, we'll start with you this time. Looking at the project and just the building as a whole, it looks very much just like a parking garage. It's one thing that, you know, as a board, we really try to stay away from is having something on the property that looks like a parking garage. And that's what it looks like, especially with the large ramp going up that's visually that you see from the street. And then having just cables running along the top that basically showcase all the cars being parked up on top of the building. I would definitely figure out some way to shield. If you're going to put cars on top of the building, shield them from public view so that you're not just staring at a bunch of cars while you're looking up there. The layout of the building, I definitely, I appreciate you guys trying to take the building away from the alley and maintaining it as its own entity so that you're not projecting anything into the alley or messing with the alley. I know that that's a huge concern right now with the property to the north with the dealership there. It's the same owner. So there's a very big concern that would continue with this property. Right now the alleys are plugged full of cars from workers at that dealership and those cars overflow into the streets. They block fire hydrants and things like that regularly. And it's a huge problem in the neighborhood. At one point, when that project was originally approved, the workers were supposed to park on site. And then that didn't happen. And they started parking at the Oasis Naples Church, which was not supposed to be allowed for years and had employees walking over there. You know, we had our children walking by and getting cat-called by people, employees there, and some other things that were just really not good. Now, I guess they're being shuttled from another site into there. And it just, it seems like it's too stressful on the size of the property to have that happening and to have the, to have that many employees and that much traffic focused in one little location here right next to a residential area. Regarding the traffic flow in and out and maintaining those accesses to eighth avenue and seventh avenue, I know that's a huge concern for the neighborhood. And for me, being the president of the association of the neighborhood, right now we have a big problem with most of the test driving and most of the service driving for the cars coming through our neighborhood. Not on 41, but driving it into the neighborhood so we're seeing a huge influx of cars coming into our neighborhood that shouldn't be there. And there's nothing to regulate or stop that. So to have access to those avenues and not onto 41 just makes more traffic going to our neighborhood, which is exactly what we don't want to see. So I would recommend if this project is going to go through that all access comes on and off 41 and not to the side streets. I think that if you look at this property from the front, you see a whole bunch of parking lot. And I get it's a car dealership. I wish it weren't. I wish that I mean this property was being utilized for something else. Because in this space, in the city here, we don't need another car dealership. If it was a Rolls-Royce restaurant showcasing some of their cars, maybe that'd be something that the residents could use. But with the way that the dealership has been to the north and the fact that it has not been a good neighborhood to have them be putting another parking, another dealership that abuts the exact same neighborhood that we're already having difficulties with and having all the access coming in and out of the neighborhood and not on a 41. There's going to be some big issues. I have a million issues with this project. And from a design standpoint, I think it just looks like a train wreck to me. It doesn't look like anything that the city would want in there. It showcases more parking lot than anything. And it doesn't have any good use for the residents, which is I know one of the points in our vision plan for the city is to make sure that it's consistent with the priorities of the city vision, which is to enhance the quality of residential life. And, you know, there's a million other places that this card dealership could be. I think that within the city limits abutting a neighborhood and pushing, you know, test driving and, you know, a customer service driving into our neighborhood where our kids are walking to and from school every day is a big concern. I think if you were to actually be able to make this building work, you'd have the majority of the parking, including the employee parking inside the building and the building itself would look a lot less like a parking garage and a lot more like a nice commercial and residential building like the rest of the projects that we have going on in the city. I think that's all I have. Okay. Well, thank you, Doug. That's, you have a, you know, an intimate perspective considering where you live. So that's very valuable. And now I've gone to Google Maps and I've opened a, a satellite overview of the property. And then based on your comments, I moved the map over to the north and I looked at the Bentley dealership and the Land Rover dealership and I looked at the alley behind it and I see that the alley has cars parallel park all the way down behind those buildings. So they're using the alley. Now I don't know when this satellite photograph was taken obviously, but at some point they were using the alley for parking and there's even a semi truck that's parked on the wrong side of the street that is in the alley. So it does seem like they're utilizing the alley improperly. That's a fire hydrant right there too. Oh, they're totally blocking a fire hydrant. They've got cars all the way around the fire hydrant. There's no way that fire truck could get anywhere near that. So yes, that's an incredible concern. And then I look at the building itself and I'm just, the only word I can think of is just disappointed. And I have empathy for anyone but the salespersons that work at the front of the building. I have great sympathy for anyone that works back in the service deck because there's absolutely no natural light. We live in Florida. We've got this beautiful light and they've got no light back there whatsoever. So they're working Throughout the day with no access to natural light yet here we are in a place that has it Tenfold so that was rather disappointing the only Design element that I saw that was of any value was the use of the Rolls-Royce Grill as the entryway. Yet that design element stopped at the end of the grill. There was nothing else. So this building that you called it looking like a parking garage, I thought of it as more, maybe a little bit of an upscale prison, it all it has is the grill and then they stopped. It's like, well, that's all we need to do. Well, that might be good if you were over on airport pulling, but you're on night street north in the city of Naples. And so to me, this is a huge disappointment that they're trying to sell one of the more expensive vehicles that you can drive in this country. And yet they're not willing to pour back any of best side to the community, to integrate it into the street that they want to put it on. So disappointment. Thank you. There are so many things that are wrong with this building in this side plan. I don't know where to start You've Rolls-Rice Why does it look like a Toyota dealership? It's it's in it. I just let me start with where I with what I think the major issues are That was right. it's parking garage. We do, we want our parking garages in the city, screened, we don't want to see the parking garages. If you look at the other dealerships, I drive by, there was other dealerships. Yes, there's a parking garage back there. You don't see the cars, you don't see the entrance to it. You don't see the ramp. It's discreet. This is far from discreet. You're in the parking garage and the roof deck, and my ampe is in my face for no good reason. It's totally unacceptable. It violates our design principles for how we deal with garages and parking in this city. It's, I don't know, just take this prototype from someplace in a suburban shopping area and drop it on this site. I don't know, it's inappropriate for naples. Second of all, go to the shot that you have off seventh, looking up from seventh. Seventh is a main gateway into that residential neighborhood. That's a blank wall. We don't allow blank walls that large. Okay? That's, you're turning your back to the neighborhood toward the other commercial areas. Entering off of Seventh Street, if you've ever tried to go through the Seventh Street intersection with the restaurant on the corner, the very popular Lake Park diner, and you could try to turn into that shopping center that's there, you can't do it. It creates a problem. Access off seventh is a non-starter. You know, I would take this building and I would flip it. So your showroom area is facing the corner of seventh and ninth. So it's a feature as you're coming up. Take all that service parking, all the ramps, the service entries, and turn it on to eighth back up against the other car dealership. Slide all that stuff up to the car dealership and take your building and have it interface with the surrounding commercial and the entrance to the neighborhood. Don't turn your back on the neighborhood. You're worried about that alley. That alley is less important than seventh. So the easy phase for the building, but you still need to do something with that blank wall. You still need to not let us see the parking deck, not let us see the ramp from either 41 or 7th. Those are big urban design blunders. From an urban design standpoint. And I wish your architect was here. This is a major building in the city. It's on a gateway. And you don't even bring your architect to the table. I often don't get annoyed by things that come before us and I try to work. This is in a front to the city. That's all I can say. Now, I am absolutely either back and we design it or you're going to get a no for me today. Staff report. Morning, John Bramer with the Planning Department. Jeff Bramer with the Planning Department. staff report. Jeff Rammer with the planning department. I've been sworn in my credentials are on file at the application As you've heard the petitioners requesting preliminary design review approval to demolish and existing retail plaza and construct a new rules Royce dealership in its place Of course, there are two existing dealers dealerships but in the property to the north. This new car dealership will be located on 9th street north on the block between 7th and 8th Avenue North. The site plan for new construction includes a single building which will stand two stories and feature approximately 57,000 gross square feet, roughly 20,000 square feet that will be conditioned space including a showroom, offices and service center. The other 37,000 square feet includes non-conditioned space, featuring second floor and rooftop inventory parking accessible by ramp. There will also be paved additional parking, paved ground level, customer and employee parking. Building will feature modern design, cloud and ACM panels, metallic accents, finished stucco, West facade features, expansive glazing, stretching the length of the first floor showroom. Site will be landscaped and buffered on all four sides. The open rear alleyway will be landscaped and buffered on all four sides. The open rear alleyway will be partially closed off and gated. There will be precast wall or fence and new planning along the east boundary to buffer the site between the commercial and residential uses. Beyond design review the proposed use here will also require review by PAB in the city council. The sale of new automobiles in C2 general commercial zoning district requires conditional use approval. The two properties to the north are zoned differently. It's allowed by right. 246 letters were mailed to property owners within a thousand feet. Today staff has received one communication related to this request. The nature of that letter is concerned over the adequacy of screening and buffering in the rear. Additional comments have begun to come in now that the site has been advertised for conditional use as well. We're hearing similar concerns about screening in the rear and also overflow parking in the alleyway which has come up in the board's comments today. Staff has reviewed the proposal against... Staff has reviewed the proposal for the project against the criteria in 50-41 and design review handbook and finds that the criteria have been met for DRB consideration. This concludes staff comments, of course, and available for any questions. Thank you. Okay. Leslie, would you like to have something? Yeah. I was listening. We don't have any proposed conditions. And I've been listening to the board's comments. But I did not get any clear direction on comments that would be conditions. I think it sounds like the board might be leaning in a different direction. So when we get to that point, I'm happy to type some things up or see where we go. Well, I'm gonna take it back to the petitioner a second. We also do we have any public comment? No, I have no. Okay. I think you hear the tenure of this board right now. We can take a vote and take chances on the vote. You've heard our concerns or you can ask for another continuance and take it back and redesign your building. For the record, Tim Keane, the site engineer. I want to address a couple of little things. I believe we'd like to have a continuance. That's whatever, maybe, and how long would it take you to get? OK. If we continue, we have to have a date certain. So if we can continue this for a couple of meetings from now, we can do it as an indefinite and continuance. Can we do it as a benefit? Yeah, I think unless you're positive, you can meet a particular date on- We're not exactly certain. We can meet a particular date and time. Yeah, I did. And I didn't know about the advertising. Sure. I think it would be better if it's a with a Data uncertain and then when we have plans back in we will send out another notice or any property owners for Then the next meeting that that's that's easier on us A couple of your concerns. I understand your point about seventh Avenue We are not going to get a driveway on 41 with between those two roads We won't be able to get a driveway from FDOT since we have access to the streets to the side. So that's something that we're going to have to work on. It's not really a possibility, unfortunately. Well, we're not saying you take, I'm not saying you take it off 41, but you can just take it off of 8th. And that 7th Avenue is, I think, is an issue because of the traffic at that light and the other commercial property. Yeah, there is a turn line at that traffic light head. Going to the south, yeah, as your exiting stuff. It's a problem right now. And that center is not heavily used. And I would highly suggest you try to work out a flight plan that deals with, comes off eighth. The one benefit of a high end dealership like this is that it's not going to have the same traffic generation you might see on lower end car dealership. In the other thing, I believe there was a statement on the staff report that said that, I believe there's a conditional use previously approved for the dealerships to the block to the north. I think that was approved on those. No, the blocks to the north, they're zoned differently. Those are zoned highway commercial. This is zoned. I know it has a different zoning, but I think they may have gotten a conditional use for that. Well, we're going to limit our comments to the subject property. But I just didn't want to, I mean, it affects this property how it's regarded. So in other things that are coming up for the site. So I just wanted to clear up those two things But if we can get an indefinite continuance unless you like to make some comments Nick Okay, comes back to the word do I hear motion to grant a a indefinite Continuance Sure, I'll make a motion to grant the continues Second I'll make a motion to grant the continuance. Second. We'll call. Paul Schmidt, member Dupont. Yes. Chair Frederickson is absent. Member Boy. Yes. Member Rikki. Yes. Chair Ruby. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Next item 7c which is 22-drb15 revision number 2. A resolution for the purposes of determining revision number 2 to petition 22-DRB 15 relating to the final design review of updated and revised landscape plans for the Palm Court condominium on a property owned by Palm Court condominium and located at 212 through 2786th Avenue South 625635, 2nd Street South, and 600 through 660, 3rd Street South. Christian Andrea presenting. Good morning, Christian. Good morning. Appreciate the day out with our special end design. I'm having fun. Have you been so early? Turn on your mic. Turn on your mic. Here we go. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give to the truth that will not treat the truth? I do. Thank you. Good morning. We were before you. Well, we got to go to our disclosures. Sorry. Slow down. I'm familiar with the property. Visited the site. I did not speak to the applicant. I'm familiar with the property and reviewed the application. I too am familiar with the property and reviewed the application. I'm also familiar with the site and reviewed the application. Good morning. This property was before you, I think 18 months ago or 24 months ago. It's a renovation to an existing complex of, I guess, townhouse slash condo units. As frequently as occurs, there are some tweaks that occur during the construction process and a little bit of scope change. The original project had envisioned new paving decking around the existing pools. I think due to, I'm not sure what the criteria exactly, but that was decided not to renovate the pool decks at this point in time and to leave that in place. And also there's an existing hedge around the perimeter of the pool deck that it was decided to leave that in place and not make that part of this project scope. In addition we go to a bigger sheet here. We had previously some stepping stones that accessed the doors that were on the side here, and they've decided it would be better if those are continuation of the permeable pavers, so they've extended a couple sections of that here and there throughout the site. In general, the internal courtyard aspects of this have remained more or less the same. We've embellished a little bit around some of the AC pads with some shrubbery here to help screen things a little bit better. We did add in the northwest corner there was a subsequent damage to the renovation of the building to the landscape beds here. So I've added some additional planting here. We've provided a little more privacy for this unit. So I've done a taller Cluzia head here and then on the inside a lower ground cover I believe is a liripe. Yes and then on the perimeter outside was a green on ficus so this creates a nice courtyard environment for their screen patio looking out and then some crotons underneath the pygmy date palm back in this corner, some ground cover of Asian jasmine, continuation of the closure around the side here and running down the side and that was previously not in our scope of work. We had thought to retain and keep all the vegetation there as it would currently existed. As I run along this corner, this is Dwarf Schafflera, a variegated variety, some white angel wing begonias, some more green on ficus, some more angel wing begagonias, some phillodendron to fill in what was once there before, so same plant pallet, and then some larger clues you hear again to screen the side of the building where there's a kind of a blank facade there. And then internal here there's a landscape strip here to go ahead and create that as a photocarpus as a hatch there. So I'm sorry, phillodendron, let's write that. See what there. So I'm sorry, Phil Adanger, I must write that. See what else? So internally, again, this is basically the same. We had some pockets of existing vegetation. We were able to save some dwarf chuffler here and some exorah here that was saved. So we've amended the plan to reflect that. And then this is the next corridor. Maybe to step back back a step here. The way these were designed, we created partial screening with photocarpis and then we did a low so that the views would look out. Previously you may recall this was a tunnel like a maze with ficus and photocarpis on both sides and it was really claustrophobic walking through the space. So the thought was to take out one side of the tall plants so that that courtyard would appreciate the wide- and space But selectively give them privacy So at all points there's always one tall hedge so there's never a condition where one homeowner is looking straight across at another homeowner But it gives the benefit of a deeper view instead of literally caging them off with the tunnel So that philosophy and design intent has stayed the same. And again, these reminder little tweaks internally. And along the back facade here, the screening closure here, for example, we're able to put a little more planting in here. This is photocarpus to screen a little bit better. This area here, we opted to go ahead and add some more planting here to create some more privacy. And this is a mix of Cluzia, Crotons, Green Island Ficus and Jasmine. And then another screening element here at Potacarpus. This area here, we're able to retain the existing vegetation. So there was just a handful of those kind of things that happened. And that basically is the changes that we've talked about, the same plant palette we had before. I'm happy to answer any questions or look at anything in detail if you like it Thank you. I always appreciate the before and after as I had not reviewed this one previously So and I see that all of that existing vegetation surrounding it, you know the shady ladies sometimes are staining walkways But I walkways, but they're existing and established. So I think an exception for that. The additions you've enhanced it even further allowing on more species. And I think I don't see any issues. There's some older stuff in here. Like I would not usually have an umbrella tree or those anymore. But since you're working with the existing conditions I think it's nice to be able to keep that grown character. As far as the species, same I think you have a really nice mix of native and then some enhanced material and just being cautious of the sizes and that they work in those tight spaces. You know well done. Jake. I think it's beautiful. I can't imagine any comments that I could make that would improve it. I think it's going to be wonderful. So no comments. I think it's just going to improve the look of it. I think it looks great. Thank you. Now Christian, Christian, I commend you for coming back with this. When you do make changes, you, one of the few people, we have no choice. Yeah, it largely can be very convincing. Yes, I know, but you want to see your word kicks in at some point. And like, oh, you're one of the few people who take it seriously and bring us information. And everything you walked us through, it is really an enhancement and an improvement I think so. Rather than a detraction, and the pools that they decided they just don't have the funds to do it right now that that's pretty I think funding schedules all that kind of stuff you know the clock is ticking and you know so it you know I think you it's an improvement not a detraction staff report good morning for the record Leslie dolmar with the city and equals playing department my resume and qualifications around with this item and I've been previously certified as an expert in planning and zoning matters. As Mr. Andrea has mentioned in his remarks, this is a second revision to a final design review petition that the board has seen on a couple of occasions. As we expect from time to time, especially when we're doing alterations to existing neighborhoods and existing properties that are well established during some of that construction, there was some damage, and then there are changes that are made in the field. And so, what happens is that we provide this opportunity for folks to come back in and get that reviewed embedded by the board. In this case, it's related specifically to landscape and hardscape, but we've seen those come through with other types of design changes on other elements of projects. The kicker here, and this is, I think, effective, and you made reference to a chair is that, you know, we're asking our landscape architects to provide that certification letter at the end of a project. And that is helping get these projects back in front of you for your review prior to that certification letter. You know, we're like you that Mr. Andre is, you know, he brings those to us because he's not going to give us a letter certifying that it's consistent when it's not. And so I think all parts of this system are working well. And that is the nature of this particular revision. I don't have any other comments to make other than to say that we did send out a notice to surrounding property owners as is required by code. We did not receive any communication related to this particular request. And I am available for questions. I'm going to bring it back to the board. There's no other comments. I'll entertain any resolution. I motion to approve 22-drb-15 revision number two, resolution for determining revision two, depotitioned, drb-15 relating to final design review of updated and revised landscape plans for Palm Court condominium located on 6th Avenue South, 2nd Street South and 3rd Street South. Seconded. There was just the one condition again that's the reminder of that certification letter from the Lansky for Executive. With staff condition. Roll call please. I'll remember to call. Yes. Vice Chair Ferguson is absent. Member Hoy. Yes. Member McCade. Yes. Chair Ruby. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Next item is the same D which is 22-DRB 41 revision number one resolution for the purposes of determining petition 22-DRB 41 revision number one relating to the final design review of a minor modification to landscape plans for a new fixed base operator and new hanger on property owned by the city of Naples Airport Authority. JET Center and located at 3377 citation point. I gather you're going to present, Christian. Yes. On behalf of MHK. It's actually just a landscape presentation for today. Right. Okay. You've been sworn in. Disclosure subordinate. I'm familiar with the site and I've reviewed the application. Also familiar to site, review the application. Familiar with site and review the application. I'm not familiar with the site and I reviewed the application. Oh, it's so familiar to site review the application. Familiar with site and review the application. I'm not familiar with that site. I don't travel by private jet very often. Maybe that's not where I'm taking a look at it. Well, I don't even know if I'd be allowed to go to that particular spot. But I, it's so I'm not familiar with the site, but I've reviewed the application and I can imagine where it is. Okay, thank you. You're on, Christian. About three months ago, I think we did, you were trying to be cognizant of doing a walkthrough towards the tail end of the project just to review and make sure there's no changes. And at that walkthrough, we realized there were some field changes that were occurring that we had to react to. Much of what's represented here today is for future. This building here, the big mass of this building here, is not under construction at this point. The only thing we're building right now is this building right here right now. Much of what I'm proposing today are changes that were caused by for one, there's a, I forget what it's called, but there's some kind of tank they have to have like a foam tank for their planes in case they catch on fire or whatever. So we're noticing that that was not on the original plan. So there's a tank thing right here and I'll look through the bigger picture in a moment. And then this couple of sidewalks changed and this which affected my rhythm of trees that we had there. So we made changes there. So this is for future building but it's on our current plans as it was on the original plans. The changes and then this is the existing conditions and the site down here is where we're talking about. I'm using them into a bigger sheet. So this is an enlargement of that area. So the tree configuration and spacing here altered. This tank rippled through some utilities which caused me to ripple through the trees and the sidewalk configuration, because we like the grid and the rhythm that we have there. So we made those changes and the sidewalk coming down here. Other changes we did, and this was a bit of a 9-1-1. When we walked it with a client, many of our clients are still of the mindset of landscape. Just do this, do that. So some decisions had to be made very quickly. We were trying to catch the June agenda. So we were trying to submit. We submitted for May, but we had some coordination issues, so it didn't get on the agenda for June. So we had to put a placeholder. We currently, per design, have three European fan palms specced as a focal point in the center. We originally did that purposely to avoid impacting the sight lines because it's a two-storey structure in the views out across the Runway or Phenomenal. So during the meeting with the client, you know, he wanted and he wasn't sure which tree he preferred. So we at this plan that's been submitted here talks about three different options for the centerpiece. One is a Christmas poem. The other, whoops, is a pandanous and the other is a massive pygmy date palm as three choices. To this date, we've not finalized that decision. So we come before you with that change that we want to do a feature tree there. We're just not sure. We've had the landscape contractors picking and choosing varieties, but nothing's really hitting it. It's the look that we want. So it's one of those three flavors. So that is unusual for us to do that to come before you with a A, B, or C scenario. The other changes we proposed on the original plan, we had this as pavement, and the sidewalk walk through here, which was rather awkward. The symmetry of the design called for more of a circulation around like this, and then creating a planter here, which we thought was beneficial. So it created a symmetrical condition. All these planting stayed the same. This plan before you shows what we thought might need it to be a retaining wall. And again, we had like one and a half days to put this plan to come back to get back in the cement. At the field change, we weren't sure how deep these footers were for this. This is a ramp coming around. It's been since verified that I do not need a retaining wall there, and we listed it as an option. The structure trees that are around the perimeter are the same, and some of the ground covers we just tweaked a little bit around the edge. We had a little more utility cluster up in this corner that affected us a little bit, so I manipulated the plans there in that location but that's basically the gist of the change and there's one more option currently this is drawn as a paved circulation thing in the event of a fire truck having to drive on it we throughout the option of stabilized grade with artificial turf or turf on it to green it up which was something the client likes we're still dealing with whether we can get that permitted through the fire department or whatnot. So that's listed as an option and we're not sure which way it's going to go. So those are basically the changes that were done or proposed. Okay. I think you've done a nice job. I like how you framed the entryways and I'm layered at there to I think it just further enforces where the main entries are in locations. The species I know are tricky a lot going on in the airport right now, but I know you have certain requirements there. So they're in line with the species acceptable and I think what works out there. And I'm okay with having the three options as a specimen tree. I think is in that center to be substantial enough that you're not having any cause of branches and things. But it looks like you have plenty of space there for any of those three to work. And they're all three kind of sculptural pieces. So I think, you know, as long as the Pigny date was just as substantial as the Pandanus size-wise. And then, yeah, I think there is some stabilized photo turf details I've seen, but whether the fire department, I think that would be a nice touch there. It's, I know I'm focused on landscape, but I'm like, does that car drive out overstabilized through the handicap spot? Or is that just like a car that it was only for fire? Are you seeing a car in there? I'm sorry. I'm not inside the building. Oh, I'm sorry that that's actually surprisingly a Showcase for a car so they do play on placing cars in there that I I don't know if it's every six months or once a month They put a car in there as a showpiece and Sure, I'll have a for sale sign on it and then that is a stabilized ground plane to For them to drive on occasionally. Thank you, and you might have mentioned that before you know in the previous reviews I just noticed it I think As far as you know on the east side, that might be a good opportunity to replace some of that side with a ground cover, a native ground cover, and not have so much sod area. I think there's so much expanse of sod in this site, but I know you're still meeting the requirements. I think that might be a side where that large area of sod. You join with the southeast side, or where you're trying to have down here? Where the parking, butts it is that covered parking on the right side right right here Up further north for the north Let me let me come back a sheet here zoom out a little yeah up more where you have the alternating Where you have the alternating palm and silver button woods. Oh, up there, all that long. There, bringing another layer. Okay. Between the building and the car port, it seems like a difficult place to maintain side, but you know, in also a place where maybe you don't need to have this side with water and fertilizer type needs. But the rest of it, everything looks great. Thank you. I think everything looks pretty good. The only thing I would make is I've got a Christmas tree palm in my yard and they're kind of do we be? They're not really a big feature tree. We're like going to triple them up so we we're going to have more mass to agree. I mean, it's hard getting the mass and not the height. So I'm stuck in that. I'm hoping the pandanis will be the tree, but every pandanis we've found so far has been too tall. I think the pandanis would be a great choice for that as opposed to a Christmas tree palm. But that was really the only concern I had as far as it being a focal point or a feature tree That Christmas tree Paul miss It would be the third option I think I have no comments I think it looks great I have also have no problems with your options, you know that that I'm sure what you're gonna do there will be a nice feature. And I know you can't do a gumbled limbo or something like, because of the height you have to have something that, you say, what was doeby? Just because of the restrictions in the airport, but I have no play around with those options. Same with the turf, I think you idea the turf around that circle is nice. You can twist the fire departments arm to let you do it. And I agree with Sabrina about that area along the future hangar there. That's going to be hard to maintain. It would be nice if it's just some kind of a ground cover in there that you don't have to deal with. What face, directionally would we call that of the hanger just so I can make a note for the conditions? If you said plan north, pretend like north was straight up, I just caught the east facade. So it's out of the east facade? Even though you're north east. It's just got to get a shorter one that doesn't get there, but it is possible. There's hybrids that sometimes they come recolinies. It's a hybrid brittina robalinia and a reclinata. I think kind of yeah. So if you want to add that to the list I'm happy to expand our market. So you have four choices. Who am I to recommend trees to the landscape architect? Good suggestion. Big that one up Wesley. What? Good luck spelling that one. We're in the tree. You could say hybrid reclinata maybe. Reclinini or a pigminata. Yes, pigminata. Or rollminata or whatever. You might need the email, the correct terminology so we can get that correct in the risk. A short reclinata. Petite, reclinata. I'm usually pretty good with the scientific names and that one's a new one for me. Our ECLINTA. ATA. ATA? Okay, thank you. Okay, good. Staff report. Good morning, Jeff Bramer again with the planning department. The petitioners requesting final design review approval for minor modification to landscaping plans at the Naples Airport. These changes stem from a project that received final design review of approval on October of 2022 for a new fixed base operator building and airplane hangar. Since construction began, plan revisions necessitated by utilities and life safety considerations have caused some deviations affecting landscaping. Most significant changes you've heard about affect the front roundabout in the east elevation. 52 letters were mailed to property owners within a thousand feet of the subject property. To date, staff has received no communication related to the request. Staff has reviewed the proposal against the criteria provided in Section 5241 in the design review handbook and finds the criteria been met. Should the board approve the petition, staff recommends there are four conditions I believe all signage will be required to comply with the signage regulations in section 50 35 of the code of ordinances the landscape architect will provide certification that the landscaping installed is that as approved by the design review board at final design review prior to requesting final DRB inspection. The other two were the accent tree and the sod changes on the east elevation. Yes, sir. I've got the, I have number three would be the sod along the north, slash east facade of the hangar shall be replaced with the native ground cover. And number four, the petition may select from the following four species, which were the three identified in the plans, including the hybrid reclinata for the accent tree in the roundabout. Could I question something on that? Are we saying eliminate all the side or part of it? Just that section between the building. So no side along that area? I was thinking a little side of like a 50 50 if that was And the other thing the word native ground cover is a tough category for us Ground cover is fine. Yeah, you have to be native. You strike the word native would be helpful. Thank you You also did you Stabilize sir You also did you stabilize turf around the option to say stabilized turf around the roundabout? And that was an option pending. That was an option that we, we, we, so when it appears you're okay with it. Okay. Okay. I'll bring it back to the board. There's no other discussion. Do I hear a motion? Make a motion to approve petition 22-DRB-41, the final design review with staff conditions. Second. Oh, please. I'll send a member to you. Yes. Vice Chair for our drinks and its absence. Member Boyd. Yes. Member McKay. Yes. Chair Ruby. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. I think we can do one more before lunch. It's absolute ones. Power on. Next item on the agenda, seven E, which is 24 dash DRB 23, a resolution for the purposes of determining petition 24 dash DRB 23, relating to a preliminary design review of a new multi-family development on a property home by KT, Naval Zoner, LLC and located at 1121 Gausshoor Boulevard North, Panor Harris, and I am presenting. Those going to testify, we need to throw you in. Writing all of us will have an opportunity to speak. So this is the design team. Let's read it in. Ranting. Yeah. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony is about you? You're about to give the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I do. Yes. Thank you. Thanks. Disclosure's, Sabrina. I've reviewed the application, and I'm familiar with the site. Then to the site and view the application. I've been to the site and reviewed the application. Been to the site, reviewed the application, no contact with the applicant. Body measures? OK, great. You have to identify yourself. Yes. applicant. Audience members. Okay, great. You have to identify yourself. Yes. Good morning and good afternoon, everyone. My name is Pinar Harris. I am a principal and a registered architect with tennis, B Architects and Coral Gables, Florida. Our office address is 233 Pan Steleon Boulevard. We are the executive architect of this project. So it's a joint venture between us and Mr. Randestoth is a design architect. So he will be doing the preliminary presentation and I will supplement as needed. When it comes to technical questions or queries, Maggie Watts with any garden design, she's our landscape architect. And Renee is with Trendi's team and she's local here in Naples Thank you very much My name is Randall stuff from staff coony architects Okay, so you probably see John and Renee a lot more than me. They keep me kind of in the back drawing. I'm out of the Delray office and really proud to present our project here. We've worked closely with Pinar and her team. We have two other of her architects here, our landscape architect. I also have a representative, even Wurgen from Colter Urban, she's here, case you have any questions for the developer. This will be my fifth project designing with Colter and all of the projects we've done have been very successful both for the community, architecturally and financially. This is, I know you all know this piece a little more than two acre piece on Gulf Shore Boulevard. Pretty exciting piece. We went round and round this piece of zone for about 28 units. We explored a bunch of different concepts. But long story short, we've decided to do a very boutique condominium, 12 units. So we're substantially down-z zoning this property. We, the advantages of this was to allow us, which I'll show you on the site plan, an incredible front yard, an incredible back yard, a true kind of quiet resort for call it 12, basically homes in the air. Our building actually sits almost 200 feet back from Gulf Shore Boulevard as opposed to our setback, which I think ends up being about 40 or 50 feet. So we've worked hard to make this a jewel box, not only for the people going by on Gullscher, but obviously for our homeowners. Our philosophy here was, again, to create a park-like setting in the front and a resort-like setting in the back. Our rear off the sea wall is about 115 feet and then stair steps substantially. So what we've designed here is a building that is going to be attractive from all angles. Something we were able to do because of the two units per floor. We were actually able to turn the stairwells. So we have no large blank facades. We stairstep at every corner. So whatever angle you view this building from, I think it's going to be really beautiful. And the fact that you can get back a couple hundred feet is obviously a big plus. A little bit about our facade materials, we have really taken it to the next level. Our renderings, and I'll fly through the renderings, but our renderings don't quite show our level of refinement. We're actually doing a terracotta, a sandy terracotta profile on all our floor levels and some of the highlights as opposed to what you kind of see in most of the buildings, which is a typical stucco. Finished this, this is a beautiful of the earth material, 100 years used on beautiful, very expensive buildings, We're really excited about it. We've supplemented it with a Spanish moss types wood ceiling on each and every balcony. So when you're viewing, as you know, as you view four or five six stories, you do see more of the underside. So we're finishing it off and I do have some samples. They were seeing because they really show you. We don't have big samples about show it to you. We're pretty excited about it. We've introduced some bronze style, sorry, some bronze style. I have a strong voice. Latest work in a couple of specific areas and some other decorative and structural fins to give the personality and the tropical feel that we want for the building. So we wanted a fresh jewel box not overly embellished, something that's going to really hold the test of time and be a real asset for our owners and for everybody there that goes to the beach. I'm going to have my landscape architect also talk a little bit more about species and how we approach the landscaping but our entire thought process from the beginning was to have a more organic kind of private yard-like feel, quiet, quiet entry, quiet exit. As you'll see on the landscape plan, we really wanted to green it up. So even our guest spaces, which we don't need a lot because we really only have 12 units, but our guest spaces are reinforced turf. So it really, it's going to be like a park as you drive into the property. As far as our energy efficiency, our envelope will be state of the art. Our glass will be the new turtle glass technology. We've created not only just balconies in the rear, we actually have an outdoor room that's about 40 feet wide and about 19 foot deep. So it's a true outdoor room, and it will create great shade and shadow for our West facing glass. Each unit had a little bit on the interiors. I won't go too much into that, but each unit and amenities, each unit has a three car garage or a four car private garage underneath the pedestal. We have individual cabanas for every unit separated by landscape, so each unit has its own little private area, which I'll show you a rendering of. We do have a little organic fountain at the entryway. It's also something that our buyers will be able to look down upon and enjoy. So we believe this project will really be an asset for the Gulf Shore Boulevard corridor now and in the future and we will field any questions for, you know, at first like to have the landscape architect give the sorry baggie. Hi everyone I'm Maggie Watts with the nail landscape architecture out of the Miami office. Do you want to go into So I just wanted to kind of briefly describe our thought process and design aesthetic behind the landscape. But we're really looking at this in three areas. As Randall mentioned, we have this really expansive front yard that we're treating as a park, trying to keep the hardscape to a minimum and increase the softscape as much as we can. We're also creating a thinner profile in the road by using a grass-pig material to accommodate fire lane, but it will appear as a smaller road as you enter into the site. We have a mix of trees in the front, keeping the palms more to the north and the south and the buffer, but because we have so much space, we're trying to highlight trees that can grow and fill into their canopy and really expand over time. Especially when we talk about this live oak grove as you come through the entrance and through the exit. So the idea is that over time those will go over the road and create this really nice canopy. Or the entrance I should say. Along in north and the south we have more linear gardens where we can capitalize on the breezes and the shade of these areas. So though you'll see more tropical species in those areas, more lush layering, we have seeding coves in those areas, and then as you move to the back, trying to be sensitive with species utilizing things it will be hardy, but also keeping that area soft since it is the pool deck in the pool area. And we won't need as much as Randall mentioned, hardscape, so we're really trying to capitalize on the softscape there as well. I can add couple things. I can go back to the beginning and maybe just kind of run you guys through the plans to explain the project a little bit more in detail. As Rand mentioned, we have placed the building more central within the sites which is more than a 180 feet away from the Gulf Shore Boulevard. The front setback is 45 so we are substantially increasing the front setback to allow for more of an arrival sequence and create the front garden for the residences and create this large landscape buffer between the building and the Gulf shore blue work. So as you are coming in, we do have a private gated community, but we are going to keep the wall low, which is turning inches. And then the residents will be coming to the Port Couchere, the arrival drop of lobby area by passing through a front garden, sculpture garden with a reflecting pond, and then we do have garages on either side and a main lobby lounge entrance that's kind of opening up into the resort, a mini-today facing the east. This is the enlarged floor plan that kind of shows you the arrival seconds. We have two units per floor. On level one, we do have support administrative spaces facing west. And then it's just two units per floor floor plate. Is Rand dimensions? We have used different materials on the project. We do have stone cladding. We do have 3D perforated metal screen. We do have vertical aluminum fins. We do have scort cement plaster as well as plain cement plaster. We do have large terraces facing the west. And we do have balconies on all spaces facing east as well. And this is a rendering that shows the building within the context. You can see the condominium north of us, which is a nine-store building. On the south of us is the two-story surf club. And then you can see the entry, the garden, the front garden, the side gardens, as well as the east. Again, this is a kind of a flat rendering that shows the building within the context of two adjacent properties. This is our sawed elevation. You can see that we carried the same materials at all four elevations. We are providing the terracotta clodding, the vertical aluminum fins, and the same color palette. This is the North elevation, which is a repeat of the South, and this is our East elevation. All of our great rooms, main living spaces, and owners who is facing east, great room opening up into a very large terrace as Randy mentioned. We will have outdoor floor, the living that's incorporated into each unit. You can also see some of the landscaping, hard-sick, hard-scaping. More than 50% of our site is pervious. So we wanna make sure that we are providing a lot of opportunities for residences to enjoy around the property. Hey, nice to know. Sorry, could you go back and point, take one of those, you've mentioned three different materials, but I'm not sure which one is, could you go to a facade and point out what is terracotta, what is stuck out, what is, yeah. You've got a shell and point out what is terracotta, what is stucco, what is... Yeah. You've got a shell stone here. What's what? Yeah. The stone cladding will be on the base of the building at all four sides. The terracotta cladding will be at every floor. We will be bending the slab edge with terracotta cladding, both vertically and horizontally. We do also have aluminum fins as you can see the vertical elements. You'll point it out on the observation form. We don't explain it. So you're going to do your slab edges, right? Yeah, the slab edges and these vertical front elements are turicada colliding. The number six is, sorry, the Terkada colliding will be at all vertical and horizontal. And those return back as walls all the way back to the glass. Yes, exactly. If I come, you will see that Terkada clouding will be coming and returning on both north and south and coming down and creating a frame and then kind of repeating itself towards the east. Okay, so it's just like a face in the slab, it goes all the way in. Yes. Yes. Going back. And what's the 10 material in that elevation? Is that? The 10 material will be the paint color that we will be implementing on the North and South elevations where you see this vertical Scorch-Semand plaster that will be the 10 color. So that's the color that's painted? That's correct, but that's an accent color that's not the main base color of the building. The base color of the building is the light color. Okay, well, we'll go, go, go. Go so fast. No, I'm coming back to materials to kind of... The stripe stuff that goes up and down. What is that fluted material? The front, it says, it's a screen. It's an aluminum perforated screen. No, no, no, the fluted. The flattening. Number five. The one on the north and south elevation or on the syllabus. Where your hand is right now. See, that fluted. Those are aluminum, vertical aluminum fins. Vertical aluminum. Aluminum fins. Vertical aluminum. Powder coated fins. Yes, exactly. But we'll match the terracotta. No, they are going to be in a different tone. Different tone. Yeah. Okay. The main terracotta finish and the main base building color will match. The terracotta will create a 3D element to the architecture to create some you know dynamic moments. Okay, in that same screen, the decorative screen in front of the spa, that's also going to be the screen you're using around the garage. That's the main design we are using to enter to the garage. We are using that screen as a signage moment or enter to the property. And we are also using the same screen on the east side right in the middle of the building facade. So how are you going to screen? The plant material blocks what's going on at the garage level. Can you explain what you're doing at the garage? How are you screening the garage so I don't see cars? The garage is fully solid wall. We do not have any openings into the garage. The only opening into the garage is the garage door, which is a garage door. Just the garage door, so it's all wall. Yes. So you have a ventilator garage? Yes, exactly. It's a mechanical ventilation, the garage, it's not a natural ventilator garage. I'm sorry, I interrupted, but it's a garage door. No, no, that's perfectly fine. So this stone is where? The base. So this stone is where the base stone will be on the base of the building. At the top of the building, as you see the number one, which is going to be the frame on the north and south side here. And we will also use that on all four sides on the base of the building, at the pedestrian level. That's the window and aluminum fin color. As you can see, it's more neutral tone, just kind of in line with the coastal, we're just picked inspiration from the coastal colors. And just to blend in with the surroundings. We also using a darker bronze color for the metal screen, just to have it pop up. Do you have any pictures of the actual screen? The screen is custom designed for this project, so we don't have a made one, but as we are going through the process, we will get a sample done by the manufacturer. But if I go to another page, I can show you where we are also using it at the sign. It's one of these sheets. Sorry, I have the civil here. Right, what I hit it it here just a second. I think we submitted it. Oh, this is the main signage for the project. So we will be using the same screen as you're approaching to the site. So we can tie everything together from the beginning to as you are walking towards the east, the same color scheme. Would you like me to go to any specific sheet or any specific view or plan? My landscaping. landscaping. Oh, let's start with someone. Okay, you're done? I'm done. You're done? I'm done. You're done. She was there with you. Well, I just want to talk about the landscaping. You know, for a building that's so beautiful, it's going to be so elegant, I would have liked to have seen a budget for landscaping that was about twice as what seems to be on here now. Y'all are Miami, right? So, think of Raymond Jungles' use on Lincoln Road at Alton in front of 11-11. That's showstopper landscaping. That's a cypress pool. Something that really is a wow. You're saying, wow, we have this incredible entrance to this incredible building with custom sculptures on the sides of the walls. But let's just use the same old same old. custom sculptures on the sides of your walls, but let's just use the same old same old. And that's not the fault of the landscape architect. That's the fault of the budget that you have to create a wow entrance. Because you're competing now with a brand new Naples Beach Club that's one lot away. So if you really want the people there not to buy a condominium at the Beach Club, you're gonna have to give them something special. And you have that opportunity, yet you didn't avail yourself of it because if you look at the numbers and say, okay, if we increase the landscape budget by this, what does that mean we can increase our square footage sales price? And I promise you it will be worth it. I think that's definitely the goal of our project and that's why we are trying to create more, you know, moments throughout the property from our arrival sequence. Sorry. And I said that's definitely the goal of our project and, you know, Ivan is here. I know that our client is willing to go above and beyond just to make this project very special within the city of Naples. So we will definitely go back and take a look at how we can enhance. And are you thinking of sizes or design more material? I or just in general or just budget? Because we're receptive to all of that. We want it to be next level. So we're definitely receptive to that. I want it to be state award winning. Us too. That's what I want to see. I want to see. That's what that's what it deserves, right? Golf sure bull of art. Yeah. 12 units. Those people don't want to drive into, and they don't want their guests, driving into anything less than award-winning landscaping. Yeah. It's got to have that wow factor to it. And it's got a lot of competition that's in the pipeline right now. So it deserves it. Yeah, definitely. OK. Can you go to the south facing rendering? Because what we've got in our architectural street for side renderings is different than what you're showing here. So I just want to make sure that I know what I'm talking about. This is what we have submitted last week Friday. The project has been kind of developing as we are going to, you know, the review and design process. This is the latest salt and north elevation and rendering. Okay. Yeah, because what we're showing here is just kind of a white, it's got like white wall that was the previous version that we recognize that it was pretty flat and just didn't have the excitement that we are seeing on the West End east. So we tried to carry all that design to North and South, we still hit the turklaw, the cladding, but we just brought to make sure that we were framing and creating the same moments on the North and South elevations as well. So this is the design intent what I'm showing you on the screen. I think this is light years ahead of what we got as far as the building. Really? facade, I was really concerned. I saw the front and back of the building and I went, wow, this is a gorgeous building. And I saw the south facade and I went, oh no, what happened? This is much better. I appreciate that much more than the initial rendering. So yeah, I would say definitely continue along with that. That train of thought. I love what you're doing with the building. I love what you're doing with the property. Downscaling it, making it more boutique. I think we need more of that in Naples. I think we need more of this vision on a lot of the properties coming in here instead of trying to maximize dollars. I think that by doing this you will actually maximize dollars more because it'll be more sought-after project and then a lot of the other things that are just built out as far as they can get them. From the landscaping perspective, I love the placement of everything in there. I love that park like setting and the feel as you come in and the feel out the back. Yeah, I guess to Shay's point, if you can upgrade some of those species to something that has more interest, wonderful, but I love that it's not just a bunch of palm trees looking in at a building so everybody can see it. That park-like setting and that more exclusivity, I think is wonderful. And I think it helps not only the property itself, but the pedestrians going up and down the street and the neighbors on each side. I think they'll be able to appreciate that as well. Yeah, we agree. Yeah. I think overall it's a wildly successful project. I think it looks awesome. Thank you. And the only thing I'd love to see is a little more of the screening when you get there eventually, just to honestly just to check it out. I think whatever is going in there looks great, but just to check it out. Thanks. It's great. Yes. I think just comments on architecture's gorgeous and improvements made were huge. That your guys thinking is already thinking, that you want to check yourself and adjust those elevations is awesome to hear. And gorgeous materials love to see the detail of the screen. But that lighter terracotta is just really nice. When you said Spanish moss on the understory ceilings, I'm like, you're putting Spanish moss up there, but that's me thinking plants too much. So, but on the landscape you know it's gorgeous I think that shot that you have up there you can see how much more canopy that you're suggesting compared to a lot of the other parcels so it's awesome that you're creating that more intimate feel coming through but I do agree I think you you have some room where you have so much going on and you have some room you know coming through that entry where your sign is there's kind of this whole a la of oak trees which will grow together and create that you're driving through but is that what we want through the entire right-away entry and then coming through you have that water feature I could see a statement statement type tree or palm or something you know To further enhance that entry statement feeling. But I think also part of it, you know, this is preliminary, so you have a lot of detail, but it's really, I like the plan that you have that shows the different rooms in color. And then when you look at what you have layering in there, I think right now there's a lot of understory interest happening, but it's not necessarily shown in the plan at this level yet. But to continue to grow on that palette that you have, I like to see the natives and you've got a lot mixed in there. But I think, and knowing that it's coastal, you've got a lot of different great species, but you can definitely continue to further enhance the layering and the different feature sculptural type landscape Because it is such a gorgeous building. It's awesome that you've gone to a less dense product and Recognize that you can provide more of this garden scape field which is really special especially you know the The area to the back by the pool to create such nice little cove areas that you've got is just a gorgeous resort feeling and you're pulling it off really well and that landscape layering will really just sell it. I think that's it. Okay, so I'm going to pick up on that and I'm both you and Shay's comments and I know the building you're talking about in South Beach and it's jungle doesn't wonderful things. I think you have the opportunity here. Well, landscaping and a lot of these big kind of minions have been very manicured. You know, me line up, line of trees and a shrub and then a little bit. You have an opportunity here to do a mechanical garden with a variety of tropicals. And they're shaded from the ocean to a certain extent. So you may have a little more flexibility. But I'd love to see this look more like a botanical garden than make that manicured entry point. You're driving through a jungle. You're driving through a variety of tropicals, halicone, you're blooming, those kinds of things. It would be much different environment than you're seeing even in the beach club. The beach club has beautiful landscaping, but it is very refined. It's manicured. It's much more semi-formal. Just the way you're entering here and the way your drives are moving, it just gives you that. I think you have it and where you're putting these little pockets apart, gives you the opportunity to do a part vision. That was our vision, so we'll work on that. The back is resort. You know, that's what you'd agree with Sabrina, very nice. I think that front needs to be botanical garden. That could use a term to define the inspiration that you may mind when you use. Bring up the renderings that you have. Sure. Just remember some comments. It seems just. Oops. Oh, it's not going past this page. While she's getting the renderings, I just wanted to make note because since they're not necessarily that familiar with Naples, I mean, it used to be in Naples, especially on Gordon Drive, that the competition was, who's got the best driveway? Who's got the best gates? Who's got the best monuments? You know, that was very important. Gates, driveways, monuments, landscaping not so much. And then they went through, now everybody's got their marble driveways and they've spent, you know, mid-six figures on their driveways and then entryways, they all look good. Now that's shifted and now it's specimen trees. We have people who have put in six figure trees into their new construction. So if you have time, take a drive down Gordon Drive and look to the right and look at some of these specimen trees that have come in with police escorts with blocking off roads in order to be able to move these trees from God knows where, you know, and then spent a couple of years while the construction of the home was going on, making sure that these trees, and I know one of the arbors that was involved in this, I mean it was a huge production and massively expensive, but that's where they're putting their focus and showing maybe, you know, who's got what? So if you're going to be doing that botanical setting is fine, but you also need a specimen tree and the stand-age in Naples, I'll say. Yeah. Good plan. OK. Let's bring up a rendering. All right. You want to see. Let's start there. I just want to comment on it. This is a very different building than a lot of the buildings that we're seeing along the Gulf and other highway buildings. And the one thing, particularly with the Davich Club, that we had issue with is how they articulated a tall building. And many of them deal with verticality. So you have elements that are vertical in nature. What you've done very successfully here is created the horizontal. It brings the building a little less in scale. The other thing, the choice to down zone this thing, to go to 12 units. And I keep saying, you know, people say, well, why are you proving these big dense building? They're not dense. You could have put, what did you proving these big dense building? They're not dense you could have But what did you say 28? I think it's was yeah, you're doing we could do 45 units We are doing 12 units. Yeah, and the Bahama Club which was on this side was 30 60 units So we are reducing third less. Yeah, so we're dead. We're less density, but maybe greater mass. So if you're worried about traffic and things of that, so you're actually helping out the situation by downsizing these things. But in response, just the public image of it, these are getting to be big buildings. And anything you can do to scale it down and to make it, make them, and just the horizontality, I think it was killing those data lines around the building very elegantly. The fact, the way you use the glass, the fallout ceiling glass, and everybody said, well, glass is particularly west exposure glass, it's going to be heat cane, but you, but the ways of kind of mitigating that, it gives you that spectacular views and it gives you the building, this kind of crystal-looking building, it's very special. I think your choice of material, a choice of massing and articulation is a very elegant statement. I usually look around to see things we can tinker with. There's not much I would suggest tinker in work with this building. I think it works well. And I think it's going to be. You've made the right moves, both the sighting and its size and its form and its articulation. So unlike what happened just the earlier this morning, I have nothing to say. Thank you so much. We appreciate it. We have been working on it for a long time. They need to do a role as a race dealership. That's next. No, we waited to come in front of you. We have been working together for the past eight, nine months. So we just wanted to make sure we were in a right place to be able to present. So I think you know, other than you know, really stepping up that that that that garden, I have no, I think you know, the comment on a negative great job. And I was going to comment on your south facade. One I saw your your rendering come up. You solved the problem before we even made the comment. But the one thing, Leslie, we need to, whatever result we need to, what we're approving is not what was in the application, what we'd be approving is what's on the screen. So that is, before the record less than the goal of the City of Naples Plain Department, my resume and qualifications are on file, and I've been previously certified as an expert in planning zoning matters before this board and City Council. You're correct and that is actually a miss on my part That I didn't identify that when the presentation came in generally we do not accept new information and advance of the hearing And in this particular case I missed that element and didn't ask them to make it consistent with the plans that were submitted. That is not something we're going to be doing going forward. That was a miss on my end as well to not communicate that. But it sounds like that the your encouraged by the evolution of some of those facade designs. So you know, we'll work with that. The other element was the specific identification of the building materials, because if you read my staff report, you saw that that was something I was asking for. Clarification, certainly at final design review. So we'll be looking for that. I just have a couple of brief comments and then we'll go. Yeah. So just the subject property is a 2.5 acre location. I was sitting on 220 feet of Gulf of Mexico frontage was originally developed in the late 1950s as a 36 unit low rise residential condominium cooperative. The property sold in the spring of 2024. And as the data this staff report, there's a demo permit submitted for the demolition of all the site facilities. The petitioner's requesting preliminary design review and approval for a new multifamily development and associated amenities on the subject property containing a total of 12 residential units on six floors over ground level parking. The petitioner has made their presentation today with remarks to the extensive garden area and the front. The project is also currently under site plan review at the staff level. We've issued a letter requesting additional information and we just received that resummental earlier this week. So that is under review of processing. Staffs reviewed the petition against the criteria and found that it's sufficient with the guidelines and standards expected for preliminary level review. We've identified a couple of things we were want to clarify and ensure are included with a final design review submittal. And so those are my recommended conditions and I will read those now. Number one, the project must complete the site plan process in any of their entitlement processes prior to submit for final design review. Number two, specific color samples and building materials shall be included with that final design review submitter. Described in both the application and identified on elevations and rendering. So I think we got a little sneak peek in their presentation materials. That's the kind of specific linking to spaces that we'll be expecting to see at that final design submittal. Number three, the petitioner shall provide additional details relating to the function and climate protections included in the design. I believe there were marks today address some of that but we want to see that integrated both in the application and the final design material so that is evident across the board and we're not relying just on the verbal presentation. Similarly, the petitioners should consider incorporating further details and design elements, demonstrating how the proposed design responds to the crime prevention through environmental design standards, those sub-tid criteria, that you always hear me harping about everybody. Everybody can improve on addressing that particular criteria as far as I'm concerned. And then the fifth condition is the one that I heard in the board's discussions already in today, which is for final design review, seminal, petitional will include enhanced landscape design integrating more and varied species in a less formal planting design arrangement. More like a botanical garden. Okay. Use that as a inspiration. I should also note that a sassin out a notification letter to all property owners within a thousand feet of the subject property we did not receive any communication related to this specific request. Perfect. I bring it back to the board. If there's no other comments, I will entertain a motion. I make a motion to approve the preliminary design review for petition 24-DRB23 with staff conditions. Second. Not only staff conditions, all conditions. All conditions. Okay. Second. We'll call please. All to remember do you pass? Yes. Vice Chair Fredrickson is absent member Hoy. Yes. Member McCabe. Yes. Chair Ruby. Yes. Thank you. Thank you folks. Thank you. I saw it in the issue. I saw it in the issue. I also have a note that's not honest. I believe that because I don't think it's wrong for us to be gorgeous. We're still in session. We're still in session. We're still in session. We're still in session. We're still in session. We're still in session. We're still in session. We're still in session. Mr. Chair, we were standing up. Calm down. Now I think we can go into recess for lunch. I think you were ready to go before we actually formally do the session. How long are we going to recess for lunch? Half an hour. All right, thank you. Half an hour, we're on recess. Lunch and recess. We're back in order. The mic is out, please. Thank you. Next item on the agenda is 7F, which is 24DRB25. It's a resolution for the purposes of determining petition 25 for dashedDRB 25 relating to the final design review of two one-story condominium buildings on a property owned by Hallstatt LLC and located at 2.600 Golden Gate Parkway MHK presenting. I have to be sworn in. You have to be sworn in. Yeah, to be sworn in indeed. Don't get a test five. You can play and stand and raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Yes, I do. Thank you. Okay, disclosures. It's a great. I've reviewed the application and I'm familiar with the site. Then to the site review the application. I've been to the site and reviewed the application. Been to the site review the applications. Howdy, Mr. George. Good afternoon, Mark McLean, MHK Architecture 2059, Tammy Amitro East. The project I bring before you today has been here twice before we did two rounds of pulmonary. The project consists of two one story buildings, one on this, both of them on the south, west corner of the intersection of Golden Gate Parkway and airport pulmonary, the north of the two buildings will get into it will be a Starbucks. The southern building is a 10,000 square foot retail building that we don't have any tenants in yet so it could be anywhere from three to seven tenants as we split it up. As I stated it's been before you twice before we have site plan approval we've been in front of the planning advisory board and we've have been in front of city council we have all of their approvals because of the conditional use for the drive-through. They made some tweaks to some landscaping, but from the architectural standpoint, this building is essentially the same as when we brought it through for the second preliminary design review board. Again, this is our site from an aerial perspective. It sits on the corner. I think one of the things that got lost that we had to really clarify in PAB is it's not this entire site as highlighted on this plant. It is the eastern portion of this parcel. As we get into the site plan, you'll see how that pans out. One of the things that we discussed in the two polymer areas was the visions from Golden Gate Parkway. We think this building is going to set low enough with the lush landscaping that we're leaving in place and the new landscaping. These buildings are going to be very hard to see. We've also incorporated a lot of browns and greens into these buildings to really just make a mesh into the presentation. The top photo again is eastbound on Golden Gate Parkway as the ramp goes down this overpass goes up and over. So we'll be above the building. We don't think you'll see much of it from there. The lower photo is going westbound on Golden Gate Parkway, so you'd be looking over the median and three lanes of traffic and a sidewalk. You may catch the south end of the South buildings roof, but I don't think you're going to see much of the building from here. So again, the eastern edge of the property. We've turned at 90 degrees to get it to fit on the sheet a little better here, but as you can see, we have a parking lot surrounding two buildings. The eastern building is the 2500 square foot Starbucks with the 525 square foot outdoor dining that was also approved by City Council that City Council approval is for Starbucks or a coffee shop not for just any outdoor dining but it is the leases in place with Starbucks so the dry by on everything has been worked through with Starbucks. The southern building is we show it from just some racking structure that our structural engineer needed. We're definitely going to split it into at least three, but it could end up being seven spaces as we move through this. You'll see that we've got some demizing lines. We've got doors and windows. We've got common spaces, but we don't have any tenants to actually separate this yet as we come through there. We've got the and windows. We've got common spaces, but we don't have any tenants to actually separate this yet as we come through there We've got the seven air handlers quick building section to show that we meet all of the zoning codes We could have went to 42 feet in both of these buildings are under 226 so we don't have any problems with any building heights The Starbucks building again is a 2500 square foot building on the north end of the property, a simple roof plan. The screening louvers that run around are in my cut sheets for finished material, so we do have the louvers on top of the roof. One of the paws here for a second, and I usually just jump straight through the 2D renderings that I put in here. But one of the things that happened here is we had the word Starbucks that's the signage on the building down on the Oning itself and I presented that to staff that it's on and oning and it's below the roof line But Google proved me wrong and Miss Domer helped me prove myself wrong and I didn't want to say you made me wrong, but you know, so Leslie helped me through all this and the top of the awning is in fact declared a roof. So we had to move that Starbucks sign up onto the building itself. So when we presented that back to Starbucks, it was after we had submitted this to you and Starbucks asked if we could do that. So what they're asking is can we take off the three cables that go back to the building from that front awning and that awning is all structurally supported off of columns We had done that because of the facade of the building seemed too tall and when we transitioned from the awning on the west side I'm sorry on the south side to this east side It just felt like it needed it but now with the sign up there I think we're fine not having those on there. We can go either way that the design review board would like to see us go with that. Through the staff report from the preliminary DRB, the PAB and council, there were 15 conditions that were in there. We've satisfied all of those conditions except two and a half I'll say that Leslie has pointed out and I'll address them through my presentations. One of the half that I'm referring to is this mural. They're asking for more information on this mural itself so that we don't get stuck in corporate art. Starbucks provided us with this rendering. We'll have a local artist that comes in and mimics this mural the best they can on this. So she is a local artist. What's that? She is a local artist. Correct. And I don't know if they'll use her to actually paint this. She's Starbucks artists, but whether or not she'll actually paint the building. I can't attest to that yet. So they'll have a local artist paint this on the building off of the imagery that Starbucks provided them and Starbucks is fully aware that we can't do corporate architecture so this will be a one-of-a-kind piece of artwork. So the staff wanted a little more information on it. I hope that satisfies the criteria for a little more information. One of the other staff comments was on this South Building regarding a sign band. Again, we shortened the building a little bit. We cleaned up some of the uniformity in the preliminary DRB. We had doors and windows bouncing around a little bit. We picked up that uniformity and tried to straighten that line out, which we have. There's a little bit of an optical illusion down here on the fourth bay that looks like it's down, but if you look at the 2D elevation, it's not. The sign band is intended to be on the porcelain tile that bands the top of the building and the reason I we put some generic signs on this space, but whether they're seven signs or there's three signs can be dramatically different on how this building looks. So if a condition needs to remain in place that will come back for you know signage approval, we would be fine leaving that condition in place for signage if we have to come back for you know signage approval we would be fine leaving that condition in place for signage if we have to come back. As we move around the project, pardon me for one second, as we move around the project this is the east side of the south building. Again we've picked up those data lines. We've made everything much more consistent. The landscaping is exactly as we went through preliminary to DRB and I'll point out the one exception that was requested by PAB when we get there. When I get into the finished sheets this is the south end of the south building showing the future outdoor dining because we don't have this tenant in place we could not do this outdoor dining. Council would only approve the outdoor dining for the tenant we have in place is why we only have Starbucks outdoor dining approved. So once there's a tenant here and we know exactly how they're gonna set the space up, we'll have to go back through council if anything changes architecturally. Obviously we'll come back to design review board. The greenery that we have around the building is faux greenery but it is intended to soften the building, to soften the climatic impact of the building. We're using insulated windows with some greenery on the building. So that was the last remaining staff comment was, did we react climatically responsive to the building with the larger overhangs, with the insulated windows bringing greenery up onto the building we felt we have. We didn't just do it arbitrarily in one spot. We put it in a lot of spaces. And as we've discussed in the other preliminary DRBs that, you know, we're trying to fit these buildings into a mature landscape. So we have to work within that mature landscape. We've put a lot of bigger mature pines back in here. We've got some mature trees back in here. But we still contend with the fact that we've got 2 18 foot parking hours and a 24 foot drive-off. So we've still got 60 feet of clearance around the building, which is the final staff comment regarding CPTED. Did we do enough for CPTED? And I'll get into that a little more with lighting. We feel we've really lit the space well as though there would be seven tenants. So we have 14 pairs of lights on the east and west building to really light the building to keep the low landscaping around the building well lit in the evening time. And then like I said, we've got the 60 feet around the building. So trying to put these buildings into a natural setting and satisfy two different needs to keep the landscaping there, but still maintain a set head presence in there. We felt we managed that pretty well. With that, I think we've addressed all the staff comments. Again, moving down the back, this is very similar to where we were. We ended up adding an exterior electrical room. As you can see, we've added a door there on the second panel of the building. We felt once we put this all together with an internal electrical room and not knowing who the tenants are, if there's an emergency in a building with tenant A and they got to go into tenant B space, we just thought it was a lot better to put the access on the outside of the building, so that there's always access to the roof and the electrical components. The other reason we did that is we didn't want a bunch of meters hanging on the building. We wanted them in a room. Yes, there's a double door there, but that's cleaner than a meter connection all over the side of the building and all the roof access and everything. We've moved it all into the building. This is the north side of the south building. Kind of brings us all the way around the south building for how this space is gonna play out. And then I fell back into the parking lot to pick up the South side of the Starbucks Building. As you drive through the parking lot, it would be probably rare that you would approach Starbucks from this way unless you came in from Golden Gate Parkway and you cut through Hall Stats. Parking lot went over and around. Most people would probably swoop the corner on airport and come in on the east side of this building but we still have full access to the Starbucks drive through the Starbucks parking. It's all walkable from the space. So this is where you can see the four cables that tie back from the short unsuppended, unsupported awning that runs along the main facade of this. when we turn the corner for the outdoor dining, then we're column supported. That's why we felt we could eliminate the tiebacks to satisfy Starbucks sign. So in this rendering, we still show this tiebacks, but we are asking that we can remove the tiebacks over the outdoor dining spaces we move forward. And again, this is a Starbucks from the southeast corner. Again, the rendering that was generated, or the imagery that was generated by Starbucks we zoomed in to get a good display of this. Now one of the reasons we had to zoom in on this building so much in this rendering and I have another rendering of it is PAB made us increase all the landscaping sizes a long Golden Gate Parkway to try to screen this building a little bit more, which I have that as a further rendering here. So this is again just proceeding around the Starbucks building out onto airport pulling again. So we've really massed this. I think at the very first preliminary DRB, we talked about the Palmetto hedges being long enough to shield the headlights of the car, which we've kept that all in place, and we think we've maintained that. These are the shrubs on the Golden Gate Parkway side that PAB had us increase the size on to kind of mass the building out so that goes back to the mural. It just kind of hides the building and helps keep a nice area. So we jump up to an aerial perspective so you can see the entirety of the site. The drive-out around Starbucks, the parking lot between the two spaces, the dumpsters on the southwest corner that are shared with Starbucks and the retail building. And we'll just keep moving around the aerial perspectives as we zoom out and get a little further into space so you can see how it interacts with the off ramp from Golden Gate Parkway heading east, north and south on airport pulling and the overpass from Golden Gate Parkway heading east, north and south on airport pooling, and the overpass from Golden Gate Parkway. Again, this is as we just keep zooming out and flying out on our helicopter, we get a really good perspective of how we want the project to finalize. From there, we'll move into a little bit of the finishes that we've gone through, the tile that's on the building, the primary bronze color that surrounds the building, some of the white pure white secondary building colors. The roof material is a Saxony 900 split concrete lightweight tile. It's a flat tile, but we do want that split shake to give it a shake, look in a concrete tile. The green wall materials come in from BART with the Luminear T904 and 904-2 lightings. The Haku fans that are in the outdoor dining for Starbucks, the sleek fencing that is around the mechanical equipment to screen all the mechanical equipment. The signage requirements for Starbucks, now this is not in the D downtown so we don't have to stick with that 30-inch lettering. We've got a square foot square foot matrix and the 60 by 60 works within the square foot matrix and is legal per the zoning code for the sign that we were putting on there. Again, the Starbucks lettering that we're putting on the building is their standard lettering that's 16 inches tall, 14 feet, 14 and a half feet long. The B-art products that we're putting on the back of the wall, this is a faux product so it'll be maintained and kept nice and you know we shouldn't have a lot of problems with this and a little bit of this was the planner sizes and trying to get some really good growth in the live planner area and keeping this up against the building and keeping the sidewalks again paying attention to the CEPTED products so that we don't have a bunch of big planners adjacent to the building that someone could hide in. Starbucks fencing around their outdoor dining, the vented louvers that are within the building itself, the access ladder to the top of Starbucks because they don't want maintenance going through their building so that's on the north end next to the, or I'm sorry, the east side next to the drive-through pay window on the building. The outdoor round can lights that are in the outdoor dining area in the Sunmaster Parallel that's over there. Again, there's the tile that is the tile that's on the buildings. As we final, as we finish up here, as you can see, I spoke to earlier, we're putting pairs of lights on all seven of the doors on the east side of the primary building, pairs of lights on the north and south end. And then because of the green walls, we couldn't get left and right of the four internal doors. So we've got up and down lights over those doors, but we've got pairs of lights over the other three sets of doors. Again, Starbucks is well lit. The one difference here was the small can light that I showed you that will be in the canopy at the drive-through pickup window at the drive-through pay window. And then along the eyebrow that where the art is so we can light that art on the drive-through hours we move through the building. With that, Mr. Sammons couldn't make it here this afternoon, so I'm going to do green side up and present some landscaping here. So I'm really excited about this as Sabrina Sabrina can attest to, my landscape knowledge is greenside up. But I was really, really glad when I talked to Steve earlier today that he said nothing has changed from the preliminary DRB except the size of these hedges along this row that were in that rendering. They went from three gallon to seven gallon and that satisfied PAB. So from that perspective, all of this planting has stayed the same. There is his material palette that is within the space. I've read a lot of plans in my days, not a lot of landscape plans. We've really focused on some small colorful beds along the sidewalks going into the space. We've maintained a lot of the mature pomelo that are out there, the existing live oak tree that's on the corner now. We've really paid attention to keeping that because it is a pretty substantial live oak that's on the corner, so we're gonna protect it the whole way through. The decking material that's in the Starbucks is in the previous presentation the paver was in there just the planter beds that run along the back of this and I'm sure I can zoom in and get specific on any one of these items if I need to. With that I'm available for questions. Okay. Shane. Excellent presentation. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. I don't have any critique at all. I would just encourage that this mural design came from Starbucks, and that was dictated by Starbucks. But right now, Sarasota is the US capital of murals. And I would hope that it would trickle down and Naples businesses would start using more murals to enhance their buildings. And this is certainly a great example of how these murals do enhance buildings. So I hope we see more of that in the future. Thank you. Obviously, we've looked at this a few times, gone over it. I think this is a much better rendition when we first started looking at it. Thank you. I think everything looks great. I echo Shay's comment about the murals. I think that murals really can add a lot of beauty and architectural interest to a community. I mean, even the mural that they put on the behemoth on Davis Boulevard looks great, you know, and adds a lot to that building that otherwise it wouldn't have. So hopefully they take care of that mural and do a great job with it. Thank you, sir. So we're here. And I did look the first thing at the saw Palmetto, made sure that Mr. Sammons did catch that. I saw they did upsize that. And I think it is important and I appreciate you added those aerials from the views from the bridge because we did talk about that. And I think, you know, if you emphasized that, you're not seeing the roof, but you do see the large canopies and how they work together as a group and feels like it's set in and I think you're it's awesome to see that you're saving that larger 32 inch right by the edge where the turning lane is on airport there was a 20 there's a 20 inch caliper existing that's close to where your crosswalk yes and I assume it's just in conflict with the parking lot but it'd be nice if that one was nice that they could relocate it to the buffer as opposed to putting a new one and keeping some of that bigger character canopy. But I do see that that size QV1 is an 18 to 20. So he's upside those as well. And really when I look at the aerial too you can see some of that canopy of the royals on the corner, but some of it is the pine trees, which are very tall. And so you are keeping some more of those pines along Go and Gate Parkway. Yes, ma'am. And I think I would encourage there's one oak tree closer to the dumpsters of Starbucks that's not up size to the bigger that that one is potentially, you know, the QV1 size as well. Is that the one that the 19 that's here right? Closer to where you turn in the drive through to either go left or go. That this one right my eyes are getting. Yeah, my eyes are. Now I see your hand to the to right side of Starbucks on Golden Gate Parkways Buffer. There. There. Yes. This one? Yes. So does that an existing or where do you want them? That's a proposed one. OK. But keeping it a larger canopy size, like you did the QV1 size 18 to 20 because you know 12 to 14 is up sizing it from the 10 foot but a 2.5 inch caliper is just so such a small tree in that location and trying to keep that with the pines and the oaks keeping that canopy that you're seeing along the edge of that bridge do you want all of the live oaks up sized? I'm okay with the size of them and the islands and the parking lot. So it's just a small location. It's really to keep that canopy that we've got along the edge for. Right, edge. So it's this one here in the drive through area and there was another one. All the rest along airport are the larger size. It was, I had mentioned by the turning lane where it first starts on airport, there's an existing 20 inch caliber tree that I don't know if it's at all possible to relocate that to the buffer. Okay. You can see it on the survey. All right. Okay. But I think, you know, the pallet's great. It's very fitting that it's very complimentary and just making it feel like this has been tucked into it. Just like you wanted to achieve. And it really cool to me pallet of materials for the buildings. It's a little different. So I like it. Thank you. It's great. I'm going to ask you a question. That landscape plan to me with a bit of Palmetto's doesn't reflect the rendering that Mark showed us. So they have the palmetos and the wax murdles is what I think we're added that are taller those little circles under. That's what I was trying to read. Those little circles are palmetos? I mean if you look on his landscape plan, there's the whole bed is palmeto and then these are wax murdels. And I think if you can bring up that rendering from the street view. You're saying this is sod. Sod, and then this bed is, and then this MYC, these are those waxed murdels that would be that like five or six foot height. And the whole bed is. And the palmetos are in this this Essie arts this whole bed here and here. So they're not do not indicate it as a circle of anything they're just correct. It's more of a whole bed of them. He does have the note in the lower right corner there regarding about care to maintain existing saw palmettos and how we'll replace them size and adoration. So it becomes a mess. It's a matter of the same thing. So it's a matter of the same thing. So it's a matter of the same thing. So it's a matter of the same thing. So it's a matter of the same thing. So it's a matter of the same thing. So it's a matter of the same thing. So it's a matter of the same thing. So it's a matter of the same thing. So it's a matter of the sub-palmato to do that. He got dig a hole. Well, he asked the sub-palmato with a three to one ratio to the wax marbles. He's got that and then wild coffee. So it alternates sub-palmato wild coffee. I think this is all being proposed. Only the pines remain on this. This looks all proposed. Because if you remember, that was one of the key issues. If you did it, if you had that bed it puts all pomelo under the pines. Yeah. And to speak to that street rendering, that one. That one. That we had done as our graphics team went out and actually took a picture from on airport and we kind of masked what's out there now. And that's why Steve put that note in there that we're going to try to maintain it at the size it is right now. Size and the density and the density of snow most like a natural edge because that's the character all around the perimeter of that whole property. Yes sir. You come off of the old and gate and down airport so I think because that's what you're seeing as you're driving and that tends to take you right away from the building. Yeah, and we're really proud at the way that you guys, you pushed us into really keeping this natural scenery and we're really proud of where this project ended up. Good. Okay, there's anything else? That's it. Okay. Thank you, spring. Let's go back to the rendering of the East elevation. Something of the main building. What's the East of the main building. East main. Yeah, there we go. That one or the other one, you know, I'm only confused. I'm not sure that one. I mean, that's, is that a shadow? Is that a line of above the second bay? That is a line above the second bay. That is a line above the second bay. And that's a paint line. Yeah, and maybe it's better if we show it. Can't zoom on this. But yes, we have that data line that runs across here. Now we are changing the size of it where we have material below it. It's a thicker band where we have stucko below it. It's a thinner band, but the top of that band aligns to create that sign band that runs around the building. It's a stock off. Yeah. Okay. Let's go to carry that data along. It just seemed like it was a... Is it? Is that... It looks like it's narrower as you go down. Is that just perspective or is it the same width? So in this first bay we have the bronze around it. The second bay we're carrying the material down. The third bay at Stucco. So if we're carrying the material down, we wanted a thicker band to break the material. But when we transition into a painted Stucco, we thin that band up. If you don't like that, we can keep that band up. I think that band needs to be the same width. We'll make the band the same all the way across. Right. to be the same way, all the way across. We'll make the band the same all the way across. But the heads of those, of that storefront, is the... That's an optical illusion, they're correct. They align. Yeah, I just looked like it jumped up and down. I think that band should be the same. And that was a comment that I addressed. And when I saw it again here, I don't know what's aligned in the 2D element. But that thicker line, it makes more sense. We just carry it all the way across the building. You got it. And if you do it elsewhere, just make sure it's the same thickness all the way around. And then that six inch band all the way around. Yeah, yes, sir. Those are my only two comments. I actually think the Starbucks building, Louis Louis looks neat, clean, simple, nicely proportioned. I agree with you, you still need those. They, they, so you wanna keep the tie lines. The tie lines. Okay, that's a problem. I don't think you need, you need them on the south. I don't think you need them on the, on the east because this is cantilevered. So those, these are actually, they're functional. Yeah, they're functional. These were just because without the Starbucks sign there, the wall looked like, when we put Starbucks on them, I thought it's best to do it. And you're requested to remove them. We are requesting to remove the oxygen. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. You are right with them removing the... Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't think you need them there. Yeah, so that the top left is the elevation with them. That's what I'm saying without them. But I'm saying you don't want to lose them on the south elevator. Yeah, we're going to keep them on the south elevation because they're functional there. Good. and why you wouldn't, you've got one, two, three, four. Why wouldn't do the fifth one on the corner of the building? On the right side of the building? Yeah, I think we're lined up with the columns, but yeah, if there's a column there in the corner, we can certainly do it. Let me see this floor plan real quick. Go back to the round. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. There's a column in that corner. We can put a fifth one on there. Yeah, that's no problem. Because I think everything on that south wall should be supported. I'd go right off the corner with another one. Looks like there's just one missing. And then lose the three. Lose the three and put one in there. OK. OK. And the ladder, you don't show that on your rendering, right? It's on the west, you said Easter Regid, it's on the west elevation. I know it's on the 2D's. There it is on the 3D's. It's on the west. Yeah, it's on the right side of the drive. So like if you're pulling up at a drive through to get your drink, it's kind of tucked behind the drive suit. So you don't see it into your drive. That's probably the least visible of any place on the site to put it. And what about the main building? How do you get to the building? It's there. The main building is in that electrical room that we added. There's a roof hatch that goes up into the flat roof. So that's all from the maintenance room. Yes, sir. There's no ladder on that. That has overhangs the whole way around it and we didn't want to come up and around so we went internal. What about all your utilities coming in your water mains? All that stuff. You know how they sometimes get you have your wonderful beautiful front facade and then there's a backflow preventer right in front of the dump. If I'm not mistaken they feed from the hallstap building and they come in back by the dumpsters Back by the dumpsters, sir. Okay. As where I believe they are. I'll confirm that and get you a definitive Electric transformer if they have any do you have transformers or anything dealing with here? No sprinkler sprinkler systems. No the the transformers are already in Obviously we'll have a sprinkler system in here somewhere. It's going to come off of the entry from Hallstead. I don't. Sure you've injured the engineer this already. Where is your? I don't know. I'm standing here at this podium right now. I do not know. But if you're... Well, there's no standpipe in it, but there'd be a fire main that comes in. And the fire main comes in, yeah. Right, so there's no standpipe, but the fire main would just hook in at two feet above grade would probably be and then run up the interior wall. So long as you don't have a red pipe running up the side. No, sir. And then you're going to have just make sure you screen all of that stuff. You got it. That's on. So in summary, you're going to add a cable on the south side of Starbucks. So you're going to thicken the band, that date and band, six inches all the way around the building. And you're going to make sure you screen all of these utility services coming in. You got it. Is that it? Leslie? Do we have anything else? The condition with respect to live folks, but I'll run through those. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I don't even think we've got the staff report. Staff report. I mean, I'm happy to say as little as we need. For the record, Leslie Delmer, the city and Naples Plain Department, my resume and qualifications are on file with this item and I've been previously certified as an expert in planning and zoning matters. The item before you today is a request for final design approval. It's petition 24 DRB 25 for the development of two single-story commercial structures on the property located at 2600 Golden Gate Parkway. The petitioner in his remarks provided the history of this particular project and it's been before this board on two occasions to refine the design It also has gone forward to the planning advisory board for a recommendation and a city council for a decision related to the drive-through Use on the north building and that conditional use was approved With the condition that the the landscaping along that north side of the drive-through be enhanced with the, I believe it was the wax, wax, my adult wild coffee, I believe, for the enhanced shrub material that was added in that location. When the board approved the preliminary design review application, There were 15 Conditions so you'll note in my staff report. I went through and identified where and how The final design review plans address those particular criteria conditions There were a couple of them that it was not as clear as to how they've been addressed and in the petition Clarified that in his remarks today with respect to the sign band, with respect to the mural details, with respect to some of the folk greenery aspects. So those have been, those remarks have been included in their presentation today. I did want to clarify, it's staff's understanding that the mural on the Starbucks building is just a facade enhancement. It is not going to be used to satisfy the public art requirement. They've identified that they would be contributing to the public art fund rather than installing artwork on site. They do have until six months after CO, if their plans change with respect to that. So the reason this isn't being considered public art is their choice. It's not required to satisfy the public art require. It's not required. So they're but they're voluntarily contributing to the fund. You either provide public art on site or you contribute to the fund. One or the two, there's some criteria they have to make. I know, but they're not considering this. No, that's the developers' request is to how they would like to, or their option. Get them the flexibility to do what they want to do. All right. Um, buying your way out of it. Who knows, we may bring it back. It's the problem when I bring attention to things all of a sudden they come back. So we reviewed the petition and we've found that the application narrative and plans, there were some criteria we wanted to have enhanced discussion about and that was related to the climate and CEPTED design choices. You know, you've heard me already today harp on those with the two criteria that I always feel like everybody can do a little bit better job in their application and design materials to really make that point as to how the design is responding to the climate conditions that we have and how it's going to be a safe design for use. So those, but the petitioner provided again remarks in his presentation today addressing those. So should the board approve the petitioner provided again remarks in his presentation today addressing those. So should the board approve the petitioner request? We have a couple of conditions. The first is the standard condition with respect to the landscape certification. This is a little bit more important on this particular project because there were landscape conditions as part of that conditional use approval that City Council granted. So we're really going to be Ensuring that that is done correctly and accurately. So that is the first condition the second Third and fourth of the ones that I've think I've heard you discussed today So help me here if I don't have these exactly right the petitioner shall Shall increase the installation height and caliper size of all live oaks in the perimeter buffer areas. Is that reflective of your discussion today? Okay. Number three, the cable tiebacks on the east elevation of the north building shall be removed and a fifth cable tieback will be added to the south elevation on the north building. That's the Starbucks building. And number four, the datum band on the southback will be added to the South elevation on the North Building. That's the Starbucks building. And number four, the datum band on the South Building will be increased around the entire perimeter of the building. Was there a dimension? Six inches. That's the datum van under the sign man. Okay. Those are the four conditions we have. Staff sent out a property and notification letter to all property owners within a thousand feet. We did not receive any communication related to this request. I'll bring it back to the board. Any other comments? I think I'd like to just see that the maybe Steve add the care will be given to maintain some of the existing soil pomelo and it's pointing to the side on airport that that's also the entire perimeter like Golden Gate Parkway as well. That's right. And that way, if there is a larger stuff that remains great, if not, then it goes to a 15 gallon size. So that's just, that same note carried all the way around. Does he mention 15 gallon size? It mentions 15 gallon in place of the seven gallon out of three to one. If they do not maintain some of the existing salt pomelo so I'd like to see that on the floor. And their salt pometers will be 15 gallon if they have to replace them. Right. Okay. And it was now at a three one. It's said at a three to one. So the same note he has on there just carrying it for both airport and go to get Parkway's perimeter. And that's sufficient ratio. Yes. I think that should keep that height closer to what they're looking at in that view. Any other adjustments? If not, I'll entertain a motion. I make a motion to oppose the final design review for petition 24-DRB 25 with staff conditions. Second. Roll call please. I'll choose member DuPont. Yes. Vice Chair for Agenda Students, absent. Member Hoye. Yes. Member Mikaid. Yes. Chair Ruby. Yes. Thank you. You're welcome. Next item of the agenda is 7G 24-DRB 26. It's a resolution determining preliminary design review of the petition 24-DRB 26 relating to a new three-story mixed-use building for the property located at 936 Fifth Avenue, South. I would like to make a proposal since 7H is an injure call designed to 7G, even though they're two separate petitions. I'd like to let the petitioner present and discuss both of those simultaneously. So we integrate them and then we will evaluate each one separately and vote on them separately as two separate petitions. If staff has no objection to that or the petitioner has no objection to that. I think just makes more sense. Could read seven H then. Yeah, I'm just about to do that, Council. So we're going to, in addition to seven G, we're going to be looking at seven H, which is 24-DRB 27. That is a resolution to determine preliminary design or review petition 24-DRB 27 relating to a new three-story mixed use building on a property located at 957 sixth Avenue south so both of those are within the same block you have been sworn in so we don't have to do it again Chris, he's sworn in so he's here we're good to go. Chris, it's my landscape architecture so he's good to go. Well he a good guy. I'm not sure if he's going to be a good guy. I'm not sure if he's going to be a good guy. I'm not sure if he's going to be a good guy. I'm not sure if he's going to be a good guy. I'm not sure if he's going to be a good guy. I'm not sure if he's going to be a good guy. I've been in the site and reviewed the application. I've been in the site, reviewed the application and I also sat down with MHK design team they wanted to run through the presentation a couple of weeks prior to coming from before. That's one of the reasons why I decided to bring these two together. So we had that discussion. I'm familiar with the site and reviewed the application. It's yours. Thank you, sir, for the record. Mark McClain, MHK Architecture, 2059, Timmy and Matroule East. The two projects we bring in front of you today are 935 Fifth Avenue South and 975 Sixth Avenue South. I think in the presentation of this I'll tie them together where I can but I would like to go architecture and landscape architecture on 936 and then do architecture and landscape architecture on 975 because they kind of flow that way I think it'll work a little better and that's certainly the way we presented them. So as we start ours our aerial here, 936 Fifth Avenue South is the old home of St. George and the Dragon for those of you who have been here long enough. It's north to south from 5th or US 41 and it does come down on the L shape project you can see there and it does come down on the L-shaped project, as you can see there, and it does come all the way down in touch, six. So this project, although listed here as a final DRB submittal on our plans we have worked with staff, and it will be a preliminary DRB submittal that we're doing today on both of these projects. So the preliminary DRB submittal for 936-5,000 south is a proposed development of a mixed-use building that includes approximately 20,048 square feet of commercial use on the ground floor facing Fifth Avenue, South and Tenth Street, South and even on the South side on Sixth Avenue, South. The project includes residential units on the Second, Eighte residential units on the Second floor and Seven residential units on the Third floor. It also includes a parking garage of 256 spaces. So I'll go back there and pause briefly. If you've read both of the staff reports, you can see there's been a number of issues that have gone with this building. So I don't want to dwell on or go onto a lot of the, I'm sorry, not issues. A lot of time has gone through with this. So the building was originally approved on November 17th of 2017. City Council approved it with a resolution granting a vacation easement for the application, vacating a portion of the 20 foot wide alley located at 936-5th. On that same day, Council also rezoned this property from the C2 General Commercial to D Downtown. In another resolution, there was a site plan with deviations for the property located at 936. This allowed a reduced side yard setback and a seven foot rooftop embellishment, mechanical equipment, mechanical screen enclosures, architectural design elevator shafts, and ingress and egress stair enclosures. This project received preliminary design review approval on March 22nd of 2017. There's an entire section in here. If you've read all this, I'll save us all a bunch of time here on March 21st of 2018. How it was combined and made the D downtown district. In 2022, the whole 900 block minus well as Fargo and the whole 1000 block came in as a joint project for both of those that through that process, the several reviews of the site plan application, that project was paused due to a council position on underground parking. So from there, this went into a lawsuit in December of 2023 that has a development agreement with the city and our client on how to proceed with this in those procedures that are all laid out in the staff reports for both properties. So I won't dwell on that, just kind of hit back on where we were so that we understand where we were. So the first few slides here, if you'll bear with me a little bit, are the original approved building just for 936. At that time, the 975 building was actually where MHK's offices were and this approval was for the 936 through the mitigation with the city and our client 975 has been rolled into the approval process for both of these buildings. So one of the things we wanted to point out from the 2017 approval was the rounded corners. A lot of the modern urban architecture that we were bringing along back then. This was the proposed site plan. So again, you can see the L-shaped of it. We had the commercial facing north on the 5th Avenue, south, east on the 10th. And then the parking garage was kind of in the keyway that went back to 6 with a little bit of commercial space back there. Again, first floor plan we went through all the setback diagrams because they were deviation setback diagrams. Same thing here, come up to the second floor. Now this building was all commercial and part of the settlement agreement was we're allowed to change the second and third floor commercial to a less intense residential use. So that's how we're going now that these are all rezoned D downtown. Third floor again was all commercial plus the parking garage. And as we get up to the roof level, there was a fourth open air deck parking garage that was open air for the fourth level. And the hatch on the roof diagram on the right side was what was deviated for the seven foot embellishment of the height. Building sections showing how the parking garage intersected with the old building. Building sections validating the 42 foot height from the design flood elevation and with the embellishments above the 42 feet. And again, back to just the renderings from 41. The rendering from the south side of 41. We show the concave and the convex architecture in that round tower on the corner. Just as kind we show the concave and the convex architecture in that round tower on the corner. Just as kind of at the time we were really setting the architecture a little bit differently to kind of set a standard of where we feel Naples is kind of gone in the past few years. So we feel we're a little ahead of the curve. So as we move into our new project here, the site plan I have on the screen right now is for our new site plan, which is approximately 20,048 square feet of commercial space. So we label these commercial spaces on the northwest as commercial retail west. The northeast is commercial retail east. And then you can see on the southern end back on six, we have a commercial retail that runs along six, which will tie in nicely to 975 when we get there. From there we move up into the second floor of the building where we have 8 units. If anybody wants to look at the specificity of the units, we can certainly pause and look at the units. But that's the second floor of the parking garage. We move up to the third floor. The third floor has seven units in it and the third floor of the parking garage. And then as we move to the roof, one of the calculations that we did up here on the top left is for the embellishment ratio, which we were allowed up to 10% and we're only utilizing slightly under 2%. So we've reduced the amount of the deviation as we've moved forward. So this is the roof plan and the parking deck for the fourth floor. The next plan is our building section that kind of just indicates how we are still committed to the same heights. The design flood elevation has actually gone up a foot from back in that time, but we're still measuring our height from DFE, so we did get a little more height on the ground floor from that. All the setbacks that work as we move through the second and third floors of this building are all per the D downtown design requirements within this space normally As with this presentation I'll kind of move through these 2D renderings, but I did want to pause here a little bit that there is a glazing activation is a glazing activation minimum requirement of 65% along that walkable street front. So we do have 67% on the north facade and we have 73% on the other facades. So as we move into the elevation of this building, we feel we've done an amazing job putting this building together. So one of the things that I want to start with is a product called Chuchum. This will be the finish of our building as we've proposed it today. Chuchum is an ancient stucco technique used by the Mayans in their architectural practices over a millennium ago. It is made from the resin sap and bark of the Havarta tree. The process consists of collecting and boiling the sap and the bark twice. Followed by a mixture or with a mixture of cement and limestone. This amalgamation results in chukum paste, which forms a waterproof layer that protects the underlying structure from water damage. In addition, Choukum exhibits qualities that contribute to the temperature regulation, thus reducing cost and protecting the structure from extreme temperatures. It's almost like a limestone base. Now that particular sample has a shine on it. We'll have a matte finish on it. We were in a rush to get that sample together. We have a better sample for final DRB, but we didn't know what Choukum was when we started this process and we're excited about it now. When we come back for final, depending on how available we can get the installers for this product, if it doesn't end up on the building, we'll probably go to a coral or a limestone on the ground floor and just get to a more traditional stucco going up. But this is our preferred way to go. We'll see how that rolls out as we move forward with that. As we move into those, I'll take that. Thanks, Ralph. As we move into the, rendering's a little bit. As you can see, we move around the Choukum really starts to take on some character. You start seeing that limestone feel. And this slide, you can see where we've kept the concave and the convex architecture from the originally approved plan and kept moving and kept enhancing that design character. We feel like I said earlier, is that seven or eight years ago we were setting a standard and we think this building continues to evolve in that standard, leaning towards a little bit of the modern urbanism that we're seeing and a lot of the stuff that's on Fifth Avenue and the things that we're seeing in Southwest Florida. As we move around to the intersection of Fifth and Tenth, this is a really important intersection because this is where everybody's gonna see this building from Fifth and Tenth. We had looked at the third floor of this building with that awning for the residential unit up there with an opening in it and we closed it in and we had talked about some options with Mr. Arubi when he was in our office the first time and once we closed it in we just thought yeah that's the way to go. It'll make a nice, luvred patio for that residence up there and it was And it was almost a distracting sky view, so we think we've got a little better here. At this point, I'm going to stop and mention this upper band that runs around this building, that's in the bronze color that's on the building. This is a product by Rensen. And Rensen, most of us know Rensen as the aluminum awning company or the structured awning company. But this Rensen almost works on like a unistrut product where it has a horizontal unistrut to kind of set up a rain screen. And then the piece is slat into it to create the design vernacular that we want. So it's almost like a thin profile or a boredom baton profile. We got a sample sent to us, but it was the wrong profile. And I didn't want to present the wrong profile to you. So we'll have that a better sample when we come back for final DRB. But with the Chuchum and the bronze banding that runs around there, we've really paid attention to the horizontal architecture of this, bringing the louvers down again because we're working off of DFE and we're working with some minimum ceiling heights for commercial spaces within the D downtown. We know we got a little tall and that's why we brought the louvers into the ground floor to kind of remedy that situation for us. As we come around the corner, now you can see down 10th Street, and you get your first glimpse of 9.75, 6th Avenue. You can see we continue this horizontal banding and this awning from the main elevation along this style for the pedestrian walkways and the pedestrian streets. So, here we've kind of popped back to 41 next to the Wells Fargo building. The reason I wanted to kind of turn that corner and come back to Wells Fargo is you'll see this alleyway that's existing there now. It's a terribly narrow alleyway now. But we're going to put it back to a normal space from the midpoint where that silver car is going into the building back to 41. That will be a one-way alley from that silver point from that car point back. It'll be a two-way alley. So as we move forward and come back to 10th and turn the corner, we've created this motor courtyard that now you can see the light in the distance is the space that you'll drive through from 10th to that alleyway, almost create a breezeway through the building, a vehicular breezeway, and then we've got the via that runs on the east and west from 41. So we're going to create a nice cross breeze within the structure of these buildings. So we'll have a lot of nice airflow in the space. Again, as we turn the corner here, you get your first glimpse of the arches that we've brought into the building, but those are back on the parking structure. So the arches and the louvers are intended to just bring in a little more architectural character that will tie in the 975, and then the louvers, we really wanted to make sure that we paid attention to blocking the cars. We don't want headlights coming in there and somebody driving in off of tenth and headlights shining out of the garage. So we've worked really hard to align all that so that we don't get that look. As we continue back onto six looking north to the building you can see we're very well planted. Again you get your first break of the building here. You can see the stair tower about a quarter away in on the right-hand side. That's the stair tower for the parking garage and everything to the left is the parking garage. Again, you can see the arches in the distance in the 975 building and we'll get on those when we move into that building. Again, we've screened all the cars on the second and third floor. But this retail now, we've really activated the block, whether you come once you come past Wells Fargo, you're going to have retail all the way on 41, all the way down 10th, and then all the way back across six because we've tied the retail in from both the buildings as we come through. This is the southeast corner of the project. Now this is what we'll call back-of- house. So what we tried to do to just make this, instead of making this just a dead back of house, we put the balcony on the third parking level. So you can actually, if you're parking in that corner and you're waiting for somebody, there's a cool balcony there, as the region keeps developing, we think it'll get some cool views there. But that is also the screened area, the Leverd screened bronze area on the ground. That is the trash enclosure for the building. The waste management city waste will come. They'll open that space, get in, take the trash out and put the trash back in so they'll never be just trash on the curb, especially since you can access this building on all four sides. From here we get our first glimpse of the west side of the building where we started adding some of the landscaping to the building itself and Christian can speak a little more to that but we took again that parking garage We came back over to where nine nine sixty five six this and took the image back so you can see the white building in the foreground That's the Wells Fargo building and the Wells Fargo drive-through then you can see our building beyond we've put the green up the The lower parking garage level because that's where the ramps are. And then as we moved up into the arcade along the building, we've continued that Renson bronze horizontal band around the building to continue to block headlights from the cars as they're pulling in. And then we felt it was just a little plain so we wanted to grow some growth up the side of the building, give it a little bit of character from there. As we start to back out a little bit, you can really see how it plays on the surrounding buildings because the Wells Fargo building also has some additional height to it. We're not much taller than that from the parapet level with our embellishments. So we keep up with that. The 695 building that I mentioned is in the same height from that. So height wise, you can see from a scale scale perspective we don't get that much bigger. So, taking a look as we move east on 41 looking back down Fifth Avenue you can see although these are two bigger buildings they're certainly in scale with everything else that's going on on Fifth Avenue right now. Moving around to again from the north side looking kind of from Robyn Stucky perspective looking back towards the building. You can see the landscaping, the mature landscaping that we very well intended to use the heads of those palm trees to block some of those second floor balconies. Third level balconies would be a little above the fray but we'll you know we'll adjust some of that as the building develops from there. As we get into the finished material palette, again we've got the Choukum line stone that's in there. We've got the Euro-Wall multi-slider that's all in the bronze, all the bronze, aluminum, etc. in there. All of the underside of the softets will be a PVC material in a dark walnut. We're intentionally going dark with this. The bronze louver will be a different color bronze. We're not intending to do a door and window traditional bronze. We're looking to do almost like a real golden bronze when we get in it. So we're still picking those RAL samples and getting those colors. These are our lighting plans. Again, we felt we were coming. When we originally submitted, we were going to try to do this as a final DRB. So we have our full lighting plans here. You can see we're up lighting all the columns, really trying to give a little bit of depth and character from the south side on six. We're lighting the horseshoes or the arches around the parking structure. So we're blocking light from coming out and putting a light shield on the building that will really make sure that we don't have any problems with headlights from the parking garage. As we come around to the east and west elevation, again on this east elevation, you can see how the Wells Fargo building will block the west half of it and then on the west lighting elevation how it plays out without the Wells Fargo building laying on it. All of our cut sheets for all of our light fixtures are here and with that I will turn this building over to Christian for his presentation away. Good afternoon Christian Andreia landscape architect with architectural land design. The existing site for 936 is the three quarters of this block here and the 975 is the southeast quadrant that we'll look at later. Existing conditions, material plan. There we go. The sidewalk material along the entire perimeter is intended on being this kind of fossilized keystone like paper stone. So that's intended for all the walkways around the building as well as internal to the site. The motor court and vehicular use areas are meant to be a great type of paper. This is one of the options we're entertaining. We're also looking at conventional concrete payvers as well. And the third element of the paving material is this on street parking down here. That is on street parking, so the city typically requires us to use permeable papers, so we're envisioning a permeable paper also in the gray family of colors. This is just a dimensional plan if there's any questions we can come back to these in detail. What we had done is something a little unusual here where we had taken each view and superimposed the elevation of the building so we can see the hardscape and response or correlation to the building facade and there's a little key down here that represents. So we're actually we've rotated the site so north is down. Fifth Avenue south is right here and we're looking back at the building. I'll just click through these quickly because the landscapes are probably the more important aspects to look at. This is the East facade looking back at it and I apologize the stipple reads very black. We'll make sure next time it won't be so dominant in the rendering. When you zoom in it's okay, but at this distance it looks rather dark. This is the alley. This is 975 underneath here and this is the drive that runs between here. Some on-street parking here, or I guess on paved, on-grade parking here. And then this is the walkway that runs through and connects through the corridor that's between the two buildings on 936. And then this is the east early corner. And then this is that drive. So again, I've rotated in the key sheets down here. And I'll just continue through these. So now the planting plan, this is a unique project and we've had a unique relationship with our client. To be honest, I've never had a client who has this passion about landscape before. So I've never had this much landscape pressure to put landscape in front of a building. Use you have the opposite situation. So you see an awful lot of landscape being proposed here. We have a lot of canopy trees and a lot of palm trees as Mark indicated in the renderings. We're looking at a two layer system, basically at an upper level that's in the second and third floor zone. We had entertained Washingtonia palms as kind of an LA across the top. They get quite tall quite quickly and we reverted back to cabbage palms. So at this point, that's what we're thinking. They look very similar. Currently on the north side of the intersection there's already a bunch of Washingtonia palms. And on the east side of 10th, there are some Washingtonia palms here as well. We're also pursuing the option of trying to relanscape the median and try to get some more landscape to help relanscape that whole corridor there. So this is the upper, the little circles here, the cabbage palms that are 30-ish feet tall. And then underneath that is kind of a mid-level canopy tree. And at this point, we're looking for something that looks like an oak. We're thinking, for today, we're thinking that's called an East Polaka Holly, which is kind of like a three-quarter size oak tree. We do have to make sure it's limbed up enough where you can walk underneath there, yet still provide a lot of canopy. There are other choices of trees that we can entertain to, like, Cal, Phil, and then Green Button would and whatnot, but right now that's the tree that we're thinking about. The ground cover here is similar plant materials that we're used to seeing, luripic, green on ficus. So, very good, Schuffler, things like that. I've done some coonties in the center section here. The corridor that runs between the two buildings is actually covered with building. So this is actually a corridor with no open sky above. So it gets rather dark the deeper I go into this. So the plant material we have in here are very shade tolerant plants, Philadelphia, New Zealand, Aglanima, Lady Palms. So that's the primary palette that's in that zone that should tolerate those conditions quite well. The Western facade, we have Larripe, some Booginvillea, Cucal, excuse me, Gardini for some fragrance. I was trying to tuck those in around the property a little bit and then very get a chaffler along the side here. And then as we go further down the side here, there are vines and whatnot that we're trying to do along the west facade. East facade, this is 10th street. Normally we would have had royal palms and whatnot along here as part of the street scape system. We're in Comber with overhead utility lines that are prohibiting us from able to use anything tall. We've fallen on Silver button wood as our tree choice at this point. We think 12, 14 feet tall somewhere in that mass. And then pretty much solid shrubs and ground covers along 10th street. So it's a series of ground covers which are Asian jasmine, then the next layer up is whether Fox Taylor or L'Aripe, see Boogand Villa, Green on Ficus and whatnot. So that's kind of the pallet underneath here as well as wax jasmine. Then as we turn the corner a continuation of larype, some taller plants to help screen some utilities here, inclusio, and then green on phycus and larype has the planters along the base of the building. Wherever we can we try to instill a larger canopy tree. So in this case, it's a live oak in this location. As I scrolled out to the bottom, so that was the Northeast Quadrant Up here. Now this is the South property line here. We have an oak tree on both corners flanking the building. And then in between it, we've repeated the same element of the holly trees interspersed between the cabbage pumps. So very similar to look to what we've done on the fifth avenue south. Again, for that previous plan, we've kind of superimposed an architectural rendering, showing the canopy of the palm trees ahead above and then the mid-story underneath it. And then the building superimposed. So this is just kind of an elevational view of each of those areas so you can see what we're trying to do in context. And I'll just click through these quickly so this is the correlating oak here and then a silver button woods down the side here. Same thing here along the storefront, silver button woods along the front and then the larger canopy of the oak further back and then the East Placahollis and the cabbage palms. And this one is along the alley here, the oak and then the sequence of palm trees behind it. And then this is along the alley here, the oak, and then the sequence of palm trees behind it. And then this is the west facade. Mark's rendering has got a little bit more landscape than we're showing. He's got additional plant material grown on these columns that will look to try to soften this facade some more. Whether that's living or artificial, we're still working through logistics of operations and performance and whatnot. But adding more greenery along this facade is the intent per remarks rendering. And this is our plant palette. And that concludes my presentation. I'm happy to answer any questions. Make a big stretch and move in the 9.75. Close that. So our next building is... Our next building is 975, 670 South. As I mentioned, that was the old MHK office building. It sits on the corner of 6th and 10th. This project is a preliminary design review submittal for 975, 670 South. The proposed development is a mixed use building that includes approximately 7,000 square feet of commercial use on the ground floor facing 6th Avenue and 10th Street South. The project includes three residential units on the second floor and two residential units on the third floor. There is also a gym amenity space on the second floor and a pool amenity on the third floor. Parking is provided at grade underneath the building within the two car garage. So again, I won't get back into the staff report, but it basically mimics what we were talking about in 936 as far as how 975 gets rolled into the agreement between our client and the city. Most of that verbiage on how the property was re-zoned and everything matches and carries through exactly the same. So it was in your report if there's something that we need to review. We can certainly go back. One thing that we wanted to stop and pull out is that when this parking building and parking structure is done, our client will pay the city a million dollars in fees for the parking garage. So we do have some some accessory agreements that were made in that that we just thought we we wanted to point out make sure everybody was aware of as we come back to this. As as we move into the presentation of the building itself, if you think back to the 936 presentation, this is the East West Alley connection to the south side. It's the primary access here for the residents. So as you came in that alley, there's the street parking that Christian referred to to to get you into that retail space. Retail space here, but there is a garage door here that brings these five residents into their own private two car garage. So that's the only parking within this building for these residents. All of this commercial space is in the parking garage is supported by the parking garage. So that's where the link really starts getting strong between these two projects. As we move up onto the second floor of this building, again, we have these three units with the amenity space. The amenities are shared with the residents from 936. So that's why there's no amenities in that other building for those 15 units. Those residents can come here. There's a gym, a spa, conference room. We're still working out the exact amenity configuration within this space. But then as we move up to the third floor, there's two units on this third floor. With the pool amenity with the pool amenity. The pool amenity is the shared amenity between the two spaces. As we move up onto the roof, this building, obviously the existing building there will have to be demolished and as this new building is being built, it's not looking for any deviations. It will work within the 42 feet structure of the existing code. Working into our building section to show how all the building sections are compliant and work. Again, the 2D elevations we usually don't spend a lot of time on here other than the there is a glazing regulation, minimum glazing regulation which we have met for all of these. Again, when we look at the west elevation of this building it is completely screened by the parking garage. So that's why we have it completely grayed out there. So we wanted to start this building on this southeast corner. Again, we're using the Chukum finish on this building. And those we, although we've adjusted the architecture, we've maintained that character of the modern urbanism in this architecture while being consistent with the 936ism in this architecture. While being consistent with the 936 fifth building, you can see we've introduced its own architectural style here with some of the archways, the slightly heavier columns to the upper most floors, which you can see as you look back towards the 936 building and a fifth avenue renderings. These are a little more lighter rentsons. We get a little more heavier structured architecture as we get into this smaller building. Again, moving around the building, I've come back up 10th a little bit, so you can see the alleyway that goes between the two buildings, that will be the residential access to the building. From here, we get our first glimpse of the separation. We truly see the stair tower for the 936 building here and how it separates out this building. But we have the overall rendering from the street that you can see. It has some harmony as it goes through as we brought the archways from the parking garage into the archways set in off of this building to kind of create that harmony. Again, we've got the retail band on the 6th Avenue 975 building and on the 936 building. So as we pop back around, we finish up on the north side of this building in the motor courtyard on the south side of the motor courtyard, we have an overhead garage door for the residential access. That'll be an obscured glass, so it'll have a nice look to it. But that is a garage door that's only accessible to the five units. The garage door opens you go into your own private garage. We also here get a glimpse of the amenities here. So we'll have some landscaping up on the roof, the pools up on the roof. the 936 building looking back, I think it'll really lighten this building up and air this building out a little bit. And then we find ourselves back on the aerials that we had used from the 936 building. So the same aerials showing the same perspective of both buildings now being presented together. The material palette is the exact same material palette from the bronze in the doors and windows to the more golden bronze in the bronze in the Rensen balconies to the walnut soft fits to the limestone colored chuchoam as we go through that again Because we had the final package on 936 and it had done that lighting We went ahead and did the lighting on this one here where we've got the the archway lighting It plays off of the stair tower in the 975 building, and it'll give a little fun to that outdoor entertainment or outdoor amenity space for people up on the third floor. So we think it reads really, really well to the street from there. Again, the west elevation is blocked by the parking garage. The south elevation has all the required street lighting for pedestrian lighting, each one of our lighting fixtures and the Calvin rating for each one of them. So our landscape architect on this plan is a gentleman by the name of Matthew Lewis and Matthew had a scheduling conflict. When we run our OAC meetings for this building we run them together because we've been designing them together. So Christians been intimately involved in helping Matthew because he's from the East Coast. He doesn't do a lot of work in Naples So they've worked together on this and we've checked with staff and with Cherubian He said it was okay if Christian goes ahead and presents this landscape plan from our landscape architect land. So with that, I'll turn it over to Christian Good afternoon Christian Andrea. I might start doing this as a hobby. Right? Let's go I'm going to go ahead and combined plan for you to look at everything in context with each other. I think that'll be helpful. As presented previously, we do have that kind of coral stone for the pedestrian walkway areas and then this gray type pava for the vehicular use areas. This is just basically a material plan. So the key system here, A, represented the sidewalks, B, represented the paving material, which I touched based with you on momentarily ago. This is the palette, consistent with what we were doing, the silver button which rees, live oaks, cabbage palms, some bugan villa, cocoa plum, dwarf nena, a clusia, which I did not have on my side, but again, no problem to add that, or if loripi, some largely philodendron, some mid-size or door philodendron, and some grasses. This is kind of a tree overlay planting plant, so this shows mature canopy trees around the perimeter proposed our large oak trees and interspersed with the cabbage palms. This being 10th street here is also encumbered with the overhead power lines. So these are the silver button wood trees that are proposed underneath that which are consistent with FPNL's requirements. And then along the south portion, some more cabbage palms, live oaks, cabbage palms again, and live oaks. So again, the client's direction to us was trying to put as much canopy and as much vegetation in front of the building as possible. This is the ground plane so you can kind of see the trees silhouetted in here and then whatever is in pink represents Bougainville for color. LM is laryope, CIS, cocoa plum, more laryope. So again those multi layers. This is a monstera filler engine in the middle. Green Ellen Ficus, the primary plant along the base of the building. And then the south portion, see, and I forgot what that one stood for, I apologize, see, and it is, okay, a cluzianena, that makes sense. So that's the dwarf cluzia, which is comparable to green on ficus, larypia again, and then that monstera philodendron. So the entire ground plane is covered, no turf. So it's all completely planted in a lot of canopy and vegetation in the skyline. And that concludes my presentation. Thank you. In closing, through the staff report, there were a couple of issues, right, keep saying issues today. I don't know why. There's a couple of criteria, conditions that staff had in here on the 936 building. The one, Leslie, I think there was something in there about screening mechanical, sorry, Erica, about screening mechanical equipment that didn't make it into the condition list. I think it's item number six says we'll provide a building in section showing how we're screening and mechanical. That's in both of these. we have no objection to that. The one on 936 made mentioned to the button would on 10th but Christians already confirmed that with Heather with Heather that because of the FBL and the overhead that that would be okay any of the conditions that staff found on this, we are in complete agreement with that. We are available for questions. I guess my question is more big picture in that when I look at this, to me it looks like just kind of a Robin Stuckian steroids kind of a building. And that's fine except for the fact that it's on Fifth Avenue and its location on Fifth Avenue is sort of the gateway to downtown Naples. And I think of Palisade's village and the shops at Merrick Park that have a community feel to them. But here you have retail, which are referenced, what I referenced with these two developments. But then you have the residential on top. So with that kind of a mix, it doesn't make any sense for your profitability to put what made those to developments so wonderful. And that is gathering places, a sense of community within the development itself. There's green spaces that people flock to. They bring their children to play around the fountain or in coral gables. That's where they go for the tree lighting is to Merrick Park. I ask you if I want to meet my friends in this area within this development. Where do I meet them to gather and have a coffee? Well, there is a breezeway between the sidewalk and the building itself. So there is a space in there. There's an accessible walkable space. But to address some of the other issues as you go there, we don't know who the retailers will be in there yet. Obviously, if a restaurant comes in there or a coffee shop or something comes in there, any of that outdoor dining would have to go in front of council. And some of that would be on public property, which city council has been moving away from approving outdoor dining on public property. Additionally, if you've been watching just before the summer break, we were told we are not allowed to do transient lodging on second and third floor on Fifth Avenue any longer. So they start tying our hands so the residential density that's on the second and third floor, I don't want to say it's the only thing we can do, but with our demographic enables retail on the second and third floor, isn't really something that's going to, we feel is going to flourish. Our developer certainly doesn't feel it's going to flourish. So as far as creating green space within this, part of the reason we're doing this is we have to be able to park it and we have to create some of this parking garage for the agreement or the settlement agreement that the developer has with the city when this project came before you before back in 2023 there was a substantial amount of underground parking and the settlement agreement has basically said that parking garage is going to be there. So we've got kind of hamstrung through the settlement agreement but I would also contend that if you look at any of the new buildings that are on Fifth Avenue or even if you go back to the 505 building that was one of the more recent buildings built on Fifth Avenue, I think it's very much in character with the way the 505 building is on Fifth Avenue. But this is 1.73 acres. This is a much larger development and it has the potential. I mean, I would hate to see the properties all the way to the Gordon River entrance to be done piecemeal. It's a darn shame that they're not under one entity's control so that we could have something that had a fluidity and a theme all the way through and slowly in stages it's being built. But I guess you can't make dreams come true necessarily. But I just think of the potential and I understand some of that is your hands are tied. But this was the best you could do, huh? There is other potential coming not on this site that I don't have control of. I guess I can leave it with that. I think that would be a fair statement for me to leave on that position. Okay. All right, I don't have any more comments at this time. I might want to circle back though. Thank you. I obviously this project has been years and years in the works and through a lot of different hoops to get to this point. And you know, gone from one kind of extreme rendition almost to another where the one seven years ago was very modern, very eye grabbing, and this is almost the exact opposite where it's more trying to make it disappear and nobody look at it. I enjoy the architecture on this. I like the horizontal lines and the fact that it kind of brings the building down. It doesn't make it as large as it would seem otherwise. I wish it had a little more interest to it. I understand that the bronze banding around it will give it a certain look, but it does feel like it's almost trying to disappear into the landscape as opposed to being a featured building in a very prominent part of town. I don't know what could be done about that or what could give it more interest. I feel like it needs a little more push and pull, especially on Fifth Avenue, to give it a little more interest. Almost like there were additions seven years ago, as opposed to something that's just a flat band. Well, one thing to keep in mind, that this is D downtown and we have a build two line. Yeah. So, which we're trying to do. We have a build two line and we have a set back line for the second and third floor. Now, could we set back further on the second or third floor? Certainly, but I don't think it accomplishes what you're asking me to accomplish because we have a build two line. Right. Which is one thing we're trying to do away with because I think, well, I know. Yeah, not in the deduct. It's a shame that we aren't allowed to push and pull through that area. And that's the purpose of the VIA. If I can, I need to switch back to the other program real quick or the other presentation here. You know, the VIA does break that building a little bit. There is a wide VIA that runs through that building to help that, to help break that down a bit. And that's all the whole building. But when we get to that front, that's a pretty wide VIA. So it's not like you're gonna walk the entire two-thirds of the Fifth Avenue block. As you're on the pedestrian level walking that building, you're gonna have a small retail space. When you come off of Wells Fargo, you're gonna have a small retail space. One of the things we did with that VIA was open it up to potentially bring people into that building to filter them through to the back 975 building to kind of try to activate this corner with what could potentially be coming in the future. So that was the reason why we made the VIA. That VIA only has to be 6 feet by 10 feet. You can see it's substantially larger than that. How wide is that VIA? I would have to pull point. Do you know what it is? How wide is that VIA? Yeah, I'll get you that number. I was just curious if you'd be able to put something like a water feature or something in the middle of it or something to give it some interest to make it something unique in that space for the National Assembly. The residential access is in there, so there is a glass jewel box in there for the residential access for the elevator space back to in there. So I'm sure we're going to make that residential lobby something special. It's below flood so we can't furnish it or anything like that. So we're basically going to have to make that residential lobby, you know, some sort of art feature in itself that it's not just a box with an elevator in it. So we haven't got into that level of detailing within the building yet. I think it's 20. 18 at the narrowest point. So it's 18 to 20 depending on where you're measuring it. So it is, you know, three times wider. Yeah, it's almost to 20 depending on where you're measuring it. So it is three times wider. Yeah, it's almost an alley. So it's three times wider than it needs to be. So again, if you're walking down fifth, if you walked in front of Legno Bastone and in front of Wells Fargo, you'd come into this retail building, you really walk in front of two windows. You got a nice big 20 foot wide alley there and then you've got another three windows that again turns the corner. We've carved out the corner of the building so that there could potentially be. But the other thing that we're fighting here, right, if we're talking about putting a potential outdoor dining space on the corner of 5th and 10th, again, probably one of the busiest intersections in Naples. I don't know that that's where I would want to meet my friends and have a cup of coffee. So again, the retailers are going to be very precise in here, what we put in here, and we're going to tie it in some future development. I just didn't know if there would be the ability to put maybe a small fountain or water feature in the middle of that. We can certainly look into that. We've got a 20 foot by, I mean, looks maybe 14 or 16 feet tall. It's almost 20 feet tall. It's a big cavern to be able to add something in there that might create sound as well as soften it up a little bit. Well, the developers paying attention. Yeah. And I'm sure he's hearing. I mean, not only that, but I think it also, to Shay's point, would give maybe a little congregation point by the fountain. Sure. point by the fountain. Sure that we could meet and have you know, sitting around the fountain or something like that on the fountain's edge or whatever. But something instead of just a big cavernous maw in the middle of the building might be helpful. And the examples that I gave were not somewhere to go and purchase something and then consume it on spot. It was a gathering place at Palisade's Village. There's beanbag chairs on the Great Lawn. At Merrick's place, it's seating around the fountain, which becomes the big Christmas tree for over two months. And that's not where people go with things. That's where they go to congregate. The children play there. They watch them. The wife might be out shopping. But there's activity there that has nothing to do with consumerism. It's just trying to create a focal point that has that kind of an energy to it that draws people. And I would want to meet my friends there and not necessarily purchase anything. Okay. But that, that, that via might be an opportunity to hopefully create something like that in there as well as something that would be have some architectural interest or some you know pedestrian interest to it as well. Yes, sir. I do love the the copper banding around the building I the overall design is pretty solid. I think, and the exterior choice, I think is very interesting. I think they could be really neat if done well. The in place of limestone or stucco, could give it some nice character. The other question I had was just regarding landscaping, the cabbage palms. I know we just regarding landscaping the cabbage palms. I know we've got a bunch of cabbage palms in 10th Street in Lake Park and they just look ratty. They don't look like something you would find on 5th Avenue or something that would give it some beauty. It's more just kind of a plant that we're actually trying to take a lot of them out and put in royal points and other stuff. Not that we're looking to put more shade trees in there but that cabbage plant doesn't seem to be a great choice for that. I think a lot of cabbage pumps when they're not maintained, you get all the dead prongs one, not one. You maintain Pelican Bay, I think, doesn't need job where they kind of turn them into little date palms where they call it the nut, you know, right before the fron, around the trim it more 10 and 2 o'clock. And I think when they look like that, I think look quite striking. So I think they are attractive. But if you let them go natural, I agree. They're a native natural tree that's not usually used as a street scape tree. Part of our challenge is proximity. We have narrow space to play with, front links, things like that. Cabbage and Washingtonias were a good choice we felt just because we had a narrow spread to it. There are other palms that could get there but realistically the height that we're trying to get to like in Alexander and Montgomery's and Foxdale's I think at that height they'd be old and tired and wouldn't look and perform long-term but it's definitely something we can consider some more and see if we come up with some other ideas there. And is is all that planting going to be maintained by the building on it to that obligation? I guess is the question. Right. It would be self-defeating if they let it decline. It would be their property to maintain. Correct. All right. I think that's about all I had for now. Thanks. Yeah, a lot to take in between all of it. I think eventually when you guys have the full two projects together, we'll be nice to read it, especially from the landscape side. Just since we were just talking about that, I think it is tricky. I know Washingtonia's, they'll get 60 feet tall, eventually, and be too tall. I think the one thing that also you just have to be cautious when picking that right palm tree is you're showing them currently where the hollies and oaks are about 20 feet is how they're called out. But the sables are also called out as 20 to 24 going in. The hollies aren't going to grow too much taller, but it'll take a lot of time to show the varying heights that you're showing in the graphics if they go in at a 20-foot along with the same sizes, whatever the other tree is. So now it's just one height. I think CT is what I think we're looking at so they were taller. Yeah, I think it was the intent. But yeah, I mean there are flexible to get more height there, so I wouldn't be a problem. And then I know I saw on one rendering it looked like the trellis on this or the top layer accent piece had a vine growing on it. I don't know if that's something that's part of the plan. That was something that was being entertained. We're still evaluating the benefits of that, how visible it would be and whatnot. Whether it's worth the planter and whatnot. Looking at the two together, I obviously understand why you have to drop it down to a smaller tree size along the side that runs where the power lanes are and that you can see when you go to the overall rendering that you both landscape architects have worked together to create somewhat a cohesive design though it is a little bit different in the in the ground story But I still feel overall the palette for this though I appreciate a simple and minimal with you know a lot of green on green But it's different colors and textures and some lighter greens, darker greens. Really the only color is the Bougain Via on this one side. And I could really see some more use of a little bit more of that Naples kind of detail of color or tropical, obviously it's an open to opinion or with the clients what they like to see. But especially on the side where you don't have as much height, but you have more space to plant. On the front side, I know you're creating kind of that street scape of the rhythm of the sails and that, but same thing, you're layering on the ground level is a pretty simple pallet of the same greens. And I think you guys could add, even if you leave that, but there's some accents or some other things that might be brought in for some more interest. I think for the architecture, it's a lot for me. I appreciate that it's fitting in with the character of the architecture, but you're balancing it with a different rectilinear and then curvy lines for the architecture. But I think when it goes over to the second building where you have the arches, it just seems a lot and busy for me, the smaller building on the corner with the heavy columns. Still to me, just read so heavy for the upper scale. The bottom level is reading really well to me and working with the street in that retail field, but for the top two layers to me right so it's that back building that's obviously I'm not an architect but it's just you know you see that feeling when you look at it to me I do love the openness to the amenity on the top floor and seeing the grain it's that that front corner of that building where you have the arch and then you have the straight just seems like I almost want to connect it or I want to have something on that corner. I want to put a tree on that corner on the second floor but that corner to me still feels a little bit awkward coming together. Do you elevation of the parking garage side. Yeah, so I think that's still some work to do in coordination of you know is there some of the green greenery that you're showing here? Because it's not shown on the plan necessarily and I think there's still some more details to work out on this side because there's so many different ways you can apply that type of greenery. And so it's starting to show some of that here but I think it's still not fully kind of planned out. The the rest of it as far as you know it's awesome to have a parking garage on that corner, awesome that you're able to put the dumpster and all the other things internal to it and not or hidden from from the street view. But I think you know still looking at this elevation and how it works with the greenery I think still has some thought to go. So I'd like to see that. And the Chukum material is an interesting touch along with the bronze and I don't know what that top if that's brought at the very top of that banding. We don't know if we're going to repeat that band or if we're going to try to do that out of stock, but we'll develop that detail of what that's going to be. It's probably going to be the same material, so it has the same spacing on it, but it won't be like an applied railing. It'll be an in-set detail that runs in that parapet band up there. So I think that railing too is screening a lot of the car view. But if the second railing down, that's screening the car view. If that is opaque, you might be able to see more than it seems in this graphic. And maybe that's where more vegetation comes in instead of the railing. But just looking at that compared to then it drops down to trellis screens panels is what it looks like but yeah I think just more detail will be a lot of screen panels for that vine to grow which could eventually continue to grow up but I think that's you know more detail on this side especially will help yes ma'am I'm going to ask you to take a look at the next slide. I'm going to ask you to take a look at the next slide. Please have a step back to the next slide. Please have a step back to the next slide. Please have a step back to the next slide. Please have a step back to the next slide. Please have a step back to the next slide. Please have a step back to the Then what happened after that was the big two block redevelopment with the big boxes on it. It caused a little bit of stir and you had a design that had a lot of arches in it. We went back and forth about how many arches you had and how to treat those and how to maybe soften them and integrate them more into the character, the stricle, or long Fifth Avenue. And what I see here is kind of a blending of both of those schemes and maybe a more refinement of both of those schemes. I think what you've got here is maybe the best of both of them and you've upped your ante a little bit and refined them and made them a little more elegant. 936, what you have here, if you could compare the first, what you had the first one, I believe that I go back and look at my notes at that time, one of my comments on that was that it was beginning to be very brutal. It was massive. You did kind of what Doug's talking about broke it up, but in a very almost brutal way, the thing that's going back to Fifth Avenue view of this, That one. Even one down. Actually, very wonderful about this is its horizontality. It does a couple of things. It brings the scale of that building down. If you kind of compare this to the goodlet elevation of the Marriott, Nesea Marriott, it, just the opposite. You have a long wall along the Marriott. And it was treated with pushing in, pulling out. The other thing is fifth avenue at that point. 41 is a pretty active street. It's just a movement. There's movement on this. And this building kind of accentuates that movement down that street. Also, the nice thing about this is in your heavier forms around the ground floor and as you go up the building it lightens up to the point where that whole roof is just a lattice. Okay and that I think that just makes this building lighter and much much more elegant solution. And it also provides shade and it provides, and I think we talked about this, whether these were going to be operable, where they would close up, and they're not. They're just going to be permanent. You mentioned the parapet band, even though it's over slow. It will be a different color than the bronze band that goes around. It will be the body color again in the rendering with all the veins in it. It's just kind of picking up the shadow in the rendering. But it will be the body color. Yes. It'll be the same design, but it'll be the body color in that band. Perfect. Perfect, perfect. Before we move on, I tend to agree about the cabbage palms. I don't know how you're going to get that kind of height. If you're trying to get a height, it's going to be up on that second between the second and third forward, which I think this is absolutely beautiful along the street. They're majestic. A cabbage palm is not that majestic. I think these are probably what we draw on as Washingtonians. And we're going to beat and switch with the cabbage palms. OK. So I'd really, you know, to kind of reconsider what you're doing. This is a great image. And this is what we'd like to see something more like this. Because I think, you know, that's a major street tree. And I have something, think of the Royal Palm, going into Palm Beach, that whole row of Royal Palm, that majestic approach. And I think you have an opportunity here to do something, maybe not that grand, because you don't have the space, but have something that does that. And then it just softens that building even more so. Go round to the garage side. Yeah, that one right there. No, I want to do the corner first. I know we talked about this one. And maybe there's a reason why you can't do this. I love the way you carry that band around and did that curve. But you lose it on the second floor. You've got that wonderful horizontal band that comes around and it stops. And then you've got kind of a pit that goes back in and the band dies in. There was any reason why you can't do, take that lower, that, that, that, uh, uh, stuckco band and kind of mimic what's above it. I think we can run the band in but we can't run that balcony out because of the overhead because the overhead trash. Yeah, we've got Another building that we're not even allowed to project Three feet into that overhead space. We felt we were out of the swing of the container But at the 11th hour we had to remove the balcony So do you need to go all the way back for that or because you take that band out and run it back? So there isn't a niche that band just comes comes turns the corner and goes straight to the parking level So yeah, I don't see why we couldn't just run that straight across and you know even if that just becomes balcony space or void space. Back on the space in the garage. But then you're tying what's coming around from the south goes up that wall and it ties those two together. Yeah, so we'll just extend this out exactly exactly like that and then down below I mean we got some trash. we'll just we'll have to we'll have to formulate that with trash but I see where you're going with this yeah just want us to clean that corner up a little bit so it's yeah just have that inset it still kind of looks like back of house that's where the garbage is and it's if you're trying to activate that street and you think six that's gonna go all the way it's to go up to where a low of 41 is, right? It's going to go up to where two, she ties, you're going to end up and that's that alley is going to become a moon pedestrian link. So, you know, I'd hate to walk past that. Okay, now go to the other space. That space could be a motorcycle parking or a golf car parking or something in there too. Sure, up on the garage. On the upper floor, yeah. We'll work that out. Obviously, we'll have to work with staff as far as how much collections devices have to be in there, how many yard containers or recycled whole trash, you know. So we'll have to work all that out. But sure, we can start working on that. But I've got to work that corner so you integrate what's coming from the south and what's coming from the north. Absolutely. Because you did nicely on the upper floor. I think you needed the same thing. Go looking from ninth. And again, when we met at your office, this is one of the discussions we had about kind of a thing. I like about what you're doing about infilling with the green below that band. And I think it's probably on the other building where you have the arches. When you look up into the amenity space, you've got the band underneath it is glass and you have the openings. So this kind of mimics foreshadows what you got in the other building. So kind of like that. And I think you can carry that all the way across that that facade. I think that would be an improvement. It doesn't look like it looks like you stopped it at some point. And there's an opening. Is there a reason why that? You got two bays because there's no arch above it. Other than we were matching the drive out below, the spacing of the columns below for the drive out below. But no, there's no specific... I fill it in so it's a uniform band all the way across. And again, I know we're going to be paying attention to this because you say it's against the alley and it's against the Wells Fargo building. But yeah, but you're going down ninth. You know, it's just made me major street coming going down ninth. And what you see is that facade is the back of the parking lot. You're going to see this. So I think it's an important facade. It isn't hidden by the totally hidden by the building. You know, two-thirds of it is exposed to night. Yes, sir. And, you know, there was a vines climbing up, kind of cool if you can get it done, but I don't think it makes or breaks the deal by doing it. What else do I got here? Let's talk about the VIA. The Drive VIA or the pedestrian VIA. pedestrian VIA. Yes, sir. Just kind of look down. Okay, wait. It's long. Even though it's nice and wide, it's dark in there. And I think you're getting you to figure out how to do something during the day, during the night, to really brighten up more concern during the day than during the night. As Doug was talking about that, I kind of jumped forward to this plan. So you can see in this via in here, this hatched area is the residential lobby and we have a pair of doors going into this commercial retail space here depending on how that breaks out. So we're anticipating having a lot of foot traffic and you are correct, it is deep, it will be very well lit. We can do a section through there and do a lighting plan when we come back so you can see that. You may want to consider something like, you know, up lighting, the ceiling, or doing a luminous ceiling in there. Sure. It feels that, you know, like the ceiling is lit. And, you know, that might be a solution. Okay. But I, my feeling is that, you know, by the time you get halfway down that thing, it's going to be like a subway tunnel if you're not care. And that's where I'm personally leaning on that residential lobby because, again, it's below flood. You can't do anything in there. Right. So it'll be well lit. It'll be projecting light into that so you won't feel like you're walking into a dead-end tunnel or into a train tunnel. But I completely hear what you're saying and we can certainly address how to really make this come alive and we can even get in there and do a rendering and show you guys what it's going to look like. The other thing, and I know from experience of another few other places around town, when you have a north south, the yellow like this, the potential for wind tunnel effect is dramatic. This may not be as so much a problem because you were you have another building kind of behind it so it but Really kind of I don't know how you analyze that That might that that may be an unintended consequence you get in there and you're just gonna be a wind tunnel and nobody's gonna want to sit in it um Let's go to the corner of Night yeah that that one right there. You got it. I like what you did with the top floor, that corner, by just louvering the whole thing over and carrying that right around. It just carries that horizontality in roles that are around the building. You use, even the louvers above the windows and above the balconies on the second floor, you've got very strong data lines here and everything got lines up very nicely. If you go to the, you had a rendering which shows this and 975, that one. And I know, so I shade in here because, yes, that looks, maybe looks a little heavier on the other end, but it's a different building. If you carried the statement that you're doing on this building, onto that building, then it would be just, I think it would detract from this building. But you've carried modules and themes. You've carried this band, this bronze band around, so there is a unity between the two buildings. And that module of those frame balconies is not that different than what you're doing on the second floor here on 936. And I look at this as it really is a screen in front of it. You have a building with arches, and what's in front of it is just basically a gridded screen that captures your balconies. So I think that rhythm kind of plays off the 936 building. Yes, it's heavier, but it's a different building. It's a different building, it's a different statement. In the courtyard, where the auto-coid, yeah, the other one, it's on the nine. That you can look at the garage door? Yeah, with the garage door. Yeah. Just wanted to comment on something. Sure. Yeah. I think what this is where I was talking about relating to the garage. You've got the windows under the band. Right. And you've got the same sort of arches on the garage. But you filled those in with green. So I wanted to point that out. And also the fact that as you drive in, you can see those palm trees and all that amenity space. That's kind of a sky above, just lightens that thing up. So much nicer. Let's go to the opposite elevation of 1975. That one. Again, the trees here, you know, particularly in front of the garage, in front of the screens in the garage, those big palm trees, the heads of those the garage, in front of the screens in the garage. Those big palm trees, the heads of those palm trees, I think are crucial and important to, you know, adds another layer, we can screens the building. And because that facade is, you know, even when you're broken it up with those louvers, it's still a very harsh facade. And those trees are just going to soften it up on the street. Again, what you've done here is the stepping from the ground floor to the second floor to the third floor. Do you have louvers in the third floor of that or is that a solid ceiling? Those are louvers. The top ceiling is louvers just like the front of fifth. Just like the front. Yes sir. And they're the same on 10th street. Yes sir. Okay. Yes sir. That again when you're standing on the ground looking up light and that up it isn't like it's a box. It becomes a screen because you've light. So we get the first 10 feet step back to the lower units and then that we get another 10 foot step back because you can see through that. Can you see this or see what else they have. And again screening the AC units. We'll do the building sections and really dial in on that for final that's one of the conditions from staff. I want to make sure that they are screened well so we don't have issues like an AC Maria we can Can't necessarily see everything screened well Liebokes you using lie books are you have the space along six to do a lie book Two left corners I'm sorry the one left corner and the right corner, those are live oaks, the ones in between were a smaller canopy tree. Okay, the trees were further away, we had a little more space to put. Yeah, I'm concerned about the spread on them and they're going to start growing in energy. Okay. In response to one of the things that Chase had before about having this wonderful green space or public space. And I don't know, maybe it'll come back when you go to the next block. But you had a wonderful space in the two block design. It was just a wonderful space that did exactly what she was talking about. It's not here. Hopefully it's not lost and it comes back when that next block you had to develop because that that was a wonderful that's exactly the kind of space she was talking about you could go there and you could sit and you could meet people walk your dog and you were forced to have to buy something in order to do it so but I don't know how this scheme could have really accommodated. That made it work as well. Yes, we may have the potential on the other side. But that was an element that I hope didn't get lost from that big redevelopment site. Because that was one of the strongest parts of your redevelopment site. Agreed. read development site because that was one of the strongest parts of your read development site agreed I'm done pontificating Can I ask one more is there is there a public Element on this on there required like an art piece or anything? No Public art, but they don't have to put it on site. They can contribute to the fund. Staff report. All right. Good afternoon, air come out and planning director. I will. We're kind of talking about these two projects together. So I'll just. One bit altogether. This is as Mark explained. this is kind of a final step of a project that has had many iterations and been before the board a couple of times in different forms. So the first portion of this, which is DRB26, is the, what was the same George and the Dragon site. The board did approve a project in 2017 on that site that was just called the George, different owner, different project that was in a commercial project, but it did include the parking garage that you see a long night. That project was approved, it was never constructed, however. But that did go through design review preliminary design review but it also went through the site plan with deviations process so there were a number of deviations approved for that that project one of which was the seven feet of architectural embellishment above the 42 feet high limitation due to to toling of development approvals in relation to executive orders for emergencies, different hurricanes we've had over the years, that approval is still valid. That approval has not expired since 2017. It was never constructed, but it still is available. This project then, the property was then purchased by the owner, the owner today, as well as the adjacent site, which is also before unites 75, 6th Avenue South, and the 1000 block of this development. All of that property was purchased by the same owner. The design review board saw a proposal for a development for both of those blocks. It was one cohesive development for both of those blocks. I believe that was in 2020. That came before the board. I think it came might have come before each twice. But you saw a version of a development, a very different development than what you see today. That development included underground parking. It was commercial development. There were a number of elements that differ from what you saw today. That project then went through the site plan process, which is an administrative process because this is not a plan development. During the site plan process, City Council made a determination that the code does not allow for underground parking, which stopped essentially the site plan that was in process. The city that we then received, we were in a lawsuit, they did file a lawsuit against the city. We went into settlement negotiations on that lawsuit and the result was a settlement agreement. Part of that settlement agreement, we copied the applicable portions into your staff report, but that settlement agreement not only lays out how this property will be developed, but the process under which it will be developed. So the different steps that they will go through and the different approvals that will be necessary to achieve that. But part of that settlement was that it was in everyone's best interest to resolve and settle the dispute. And it provided that the property owner will pursue required approvals for an alternative development of the property that is less intense than the currently pending site plan by among other things eliminating below grade parking, retaining the existing alleys in the 900 property and the 1000 property and reducing the total commercial square footage. So the major change, so anyway, as part of that, the 900 block is what's before you today, the two separate, we'll say, developments, but two separate components of this development on the 900 block. One is essentially a modification or modernization of the project that was approved in 2017. So because that approval is still valid, they are relying on those approvals and that site playing with deviations that did allow deviations to the code. But they've modified that design. And that's what you see today, including the parking garage. deviations to the code, but they've modified that design. And that's what you see today, including the parking garage. Then also you have the 975 parcel, which will be part of this one cohesive development. But that's a new design that's before you, different from what you saw in the 2020. But the major change to the 936 Fifth Avenue South design is that rather than being an entirely commercial development, they have changed the two second and third floors to be residential. So you have residential spaces, you still have commercial space on the ground floor and then residential 15, a total of 15 units above on the second and third floor and then in the 975 building similarly commercial on the ground floor and residential above but that's a total of five units. We did send out a notice to all property owners within a thousand feet. I do not believe we received any responses. No we did not receive any responses to the request. What they have presented today is compliant with the settlement agreement that was agreed to between the owner and the city and is consistent with the downtown they did submit site plan review. We have done a preliminary or a first round of review of the site plan at the staff level. We did issue an REI request for additional information so we're still working through the site plan but this is just the preliminary design review. I have taken down I had originally recommended a number of conditions but I've taken down a few more from the board. The conditions that I had recommended for 936 were that the project- That's the one at a time, let's say, Technic. Yeah, 936 was that the project will complete the site plan review process and obtain all required entitlements from City Council prior to submittal for final design review. The second was the standard requiring that at the conclusion the landscape architect will certify that the landscaping is compliant with the approval And the last was that all signage would be required to comply with the signage regulations Pretty standard conditions of a preliminary approval. I have added As a result of the conversation today Let me make sure I I have added that the petitioner will consider adding a fountain or other decorative feature in the breezeway to soften the space and provide a gathering space. I have the petitioner will consider adding more colorful plantings for additional interest and textures to the landscape plan. The petitioner will ensure that the landscape plan and the renderings are consistent for final design review. The petitioner will enhance the planning detail on the garage facades to ensure that the view of the cars and headlights is fully screened. The petitioner will be more specific than that. Okay. On the 9th Street, the parking garage, that the faux plant material below the band can continue from the south to the north side of the building, the end of the building. OK, got that. I have the petitioner will reconsider the use of cabbage palms in favor of a more majestic species of palm. The petitioner will consider carrying the stucco band up. They are similar to the illustrative palms in the renderings. Okay. We want to refer back to the rendering. the Yeah, picked it in the renderings. I have the petitioner will consider carrying the stucco band above the ground floor across the dumpster recess. The petitioner will consider lighting techniques to brighten the pedestrian breezeway. That's what I had for the 936 building. Screening the air conditioning units. Oh, yes, I will carry that over. Yep. From the 9 from the other one. Yep. Those were anything else? We added. I think that was about it. Okay, so let's take them one at a time. Is there any other conditions that we want to add to 936 building or any other discussion on 936? I had one just point of clarification, Mark. When you started talking about the parking garage, as mentioned, 256 parking spaces. But in the first page of the things that it shows 235 just was curious What number would be correct on that I'm going to settle on 242 because that's what's in the staff report. We'll match the staff report at 242. Just a point of clarification. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And I see exactly. I and I probably said 253 and it's 235 is what's written. But the staff report says 242 will find 242 in the staff report, but we'll make it consistent when we come back. Okay. Thank you. Looks like Doug. It says you have the parking garage and then it says it does not include the five parking spaces proposed in 6 Avenue so maybe the 235 plus 5 but the plan says that in the garage there's 235 spaces. Yeah I don't know where the staff report got 242. I'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. We'll get you a number. We'll make it. The two 50. That's just my disclexia clicking it over here. It's been a long day. But we will get it consistent and we will have a number that you took here right now. Got it. OK, anything else on 936? No. Not from TAC. And there's no public comment on this, because I don't have anything in front. I got that being said, do I hear a resolution on 936-5th Avenue? I'd like to make a motion to approve the preliminary design review for petition 24-DRB-26 with staff conditions. With all conditions. All conditions. Second. Oh, gosh. Roll call please. I'll turn it over to you, all conditions. Second. We'll call please. I'll turn it over to Pomp. Yes. Vice Chair Fredrickson is absent. Member Boyd. Yes. Member McKay. Yes. Chair Ruby. Yes. Thank you. Now let's go to a 975-6th staff report. I will enter everything I said before on the 936. Into the record for this one, the difference being that I have a different set of conditions. That I got from the discussion. The first were staff conditions, same as the other ones. Project will complete the site plan and any other entitlement processes. I did have pursuant to Section 589123D1, which is your D-Down Town regulations. First four onnings or other shade structures are to be no more than 10 feet high at the lower drip edge. The plans provided did not depict a dimension to the lower drip edge. That's just asking them to provide that as we move forward. The third is that section 58-915-8 provides the authorized trees for each street in the district. For this street, it's, they're supposed to be royal palms, but the code does provide that through a rule from the city's arborist. They can differ from that. I guess they did speak with Heather Shields, our city's arborist, they can differ from that. I guess they did speak with Heather Shields, our city's arborist, and she has authorized that they could use the button woods. I mean, in place of the power lines. Because of the power lines, in place of the Royal Palm. So that would be fine. For all improvements in the public right of way, including benalimated to the hard scape landscape, permeable pavers, on street parking spaces, et cetera, will require approval from the public works department and the issuance of a right of way permit. The fifth, at the conclusion of the construction, the landscape architect will certify the landscaping. Six staff recommends that the positioner be required to depict the mechanical equipment on the plan, submitted for final design review, and demonstrate how it will be screened from view. The rendering is all show just a beautifully flat roof with nothing on it, but in reality we know that there's going to be mechanical equipment. We want to see what that's going to look like. Seven all signers will be required to comply with the signage regulations. And then the ones that I picked up from the conversation number eight was the petitioner will consider ways in which to soften the heaviness of the architecture. That was a discussion to the architecture. That was a discussion to the board. I think it was a comment. It wasn't that we didn't have a suggestion for it. And then the next was the condition related to the use of the cabbage pumps, which is the same as the one that did it from the last one. Exactly. Anything else? Those were what I took down. Okay, I'll entertain the motion. Make a motion to approve the preliminary design review for petition 24-DRB27 with all conditions. Okay, second. Will all please. Alternate member Ducon. Yes. Vice Chair Freggnson is absent. Member Hoy? Yes. Member McKay? Yes. Chair Ruby. Thank you all. Thank you all. Thank you all. Can we take a just a five minute break? Yes, okay, we'll take we're gonna recess for about five or ten minutes. It will be that for the last one. Thank you. you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you Thank you. We're in. We're having a discussion. The last day of the Monday, I do thank you. Thank you. We're in. We're in. We're in. We're in. We're in. We're in. We're in. We're in. We're in. We're in. We're in. We're in. We're in. We're in. We're having a second session. The last item on our agenda is 7i, 24-drb28, which is a resolution for the purposes of determining petition 24, the year 28 relating to final design review of a single story, two lane port cashier on a property owned by the Naples Beach Club Land Trust Trust ELLC and located at 8.51 Gofshore, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I have been on the site review the application. Millie with the property review the application. I've been on the site review the application and I also had a little zoom call with Mr. McCarthy about 10 days ago in preparation for today's meeting. Excellent. Good afternoon, members of the design review board. My name is Tim McCarthy. I'm Florida licensed architect, a partner and managing principal at Hart-Hawerton, an interdisciplinary design firm with offices in San Francisco and New York. I am registered with the Ethics Commission. My CV is on file with the city having testified before this board on prior occasions. As your final agenda item of the day, I'm conscious of time and would like to cut straight to the heart of the matter of final DRB hearing for the long-awaited, long sought, Port Coucher at the four seasons hotel, a building approved under final DRB resolution 22-DRB4 and already under construction. It was actually in June of 2021 that this board recommended the addition of a Port Coucher in lieu of 2021 that this board recommended the addition of a port cusher and lieu of the previously approved covered entry. And today we're seeking your final approval of the port cusher's design. To recap, all 125 acres of the Naples Beach Club secured this board's preliminary approval in November of 2018. The entire resort subsequently secured administrative and political approvals in August and December of 2019, respectively. And within those approvals were different solutions for protecting and covering the hotel's front door. In May of 2021, the 2018 and 2019 cantilever solution was replaced with a covered entry that had no encroachment into the front yard set back along Gulf Shore Boulevard North. But despite that compliance with City Code, this board met with us in June of 2021 and recommended replacing the Code compliant covered entry with a Port Cousher. Then late in 2021 into March of 2022 saw a revision to the site plan submitted, processed, and approved by staff, which allowed us to reappear before this board and secure your March 2022 final DRB re-approval in a denovo hearing, the city manager approved a two lane port share plan in March of 2024. In January of this year, council empowered the city manager to make a decision about the proposed port share. With that direction, the city manager approved a two lane port share plan in March of 2024. Subsequently, city staff processed and approved our amended site plan application, which brings us to today and the final DRB hearing for this adjustment to the hotel's front door. It's covered arrival. Our last step before submitting a building permit amendment. This final DRB petition, 24-DRB-28 for the hotel's one story tall, Port Cousher, has the following features, two vehicular lanes undercover, with a third pass by lane on the far left-hand side of this image, a front yard setback encroachment of no more than 28 feet, two inches, at its closest point to the Gulf Shore Boulevard North property line, an exterior covered area of 2,719 square feet, a height of 21 feet, two inches at the highest point of the Port Cushair's roof. Fire department emergency vehicle access under the Port Cushair that meets the minimum clearance requirements of 14 feet high and 20 feet wide. Additional mid-level planting along Gulf Shore Boulevard North scene on the left of this image that further buffers the view of the Port Coucher from the public right of way and temporary vehicular stacking for six cars in two parallel lanes under the Port Coucher. Plus a continued commitment to the prior inclusion of accessible parking spaces easily visible from and accessible to the front hotels front door Regarding the two-lane Port Coucher scene on screen fire chief pennington told the city manager quote from a fire rescue perspective we would recommend the two-lane Port Coucher This would give us the most room and reduce the possibility of having to load a patient during periods of inclement weather. It is safer for the patient and safer for the crews. In addition, if there was a fire-related emergency, this area could act as a staging area for firefighters. Again, being covered has numerous advantages. Separately, Police Chief Dominguez says from a public safety perspective, a two-lane port kosher allows first responders an area to arrive, assemble, and operate, and as such the two-lane port kosher preferred. At this stage in today's presentation, you might be asking yourselves, what is it that the designer of U Board approved in March of 2002? On the left-hand side of this screen is the covered entry. Previously proposed and approved. Then on the right is the Port Cousher approved by the city manager and is March 24 letter included in the agenda materials for today's final DRB petition 24-DRB 28. It is also the plan approved by city staff in their June 20th, 24 sufficiency determination, 19 SP 8 revision 7. When viewed from the public right of way, the Port Coucher's slim roof profile, with its proposed 2.5 to 12 roof pitch, disappears into the landscape along Gilles Reboulevard. On screen is a before and after comparison with the 22 covered entry and planting shown in the top image and today's final DRB proposal below. The March 24 letter from the city manager cited a need to conceal the Port Cousher from view using mid-story canopy tree planting and to accomplish this, bridal veiltries are shown in the new image at the bottom of the page. This mid-story canopy tree planting aids in visually buffering the Port Couchera while further reinforcing the city's vision plan and its landscape objectives. When seen from the southbound Traveling on Gulf Shore Boulevard, the full extent of the planting revisions come into view. In addition to the mid-story canopy tree change, the white stucco retaining wall adjacent to the sidewalk is now planted with ficus repens. The hedge changed to Clucia and in between a zone for seasonal annuals that will create visual interest along the road and the pedestrian sidewalk. The pork share is concealed from view as seen in this image on the right. By backing out to the street elevation, the right-of-way planting plus the estate-like landscape along the entry drive of the hotel helped to visually buffer the pedestrian-scaled Port Couchera from view. In particular, the above image of the previously approved hotel has upper palm-front canopies and lower trimmed hedges. But the new proposal at the bottom image fills in the gap between palms and hedge with mid-story canopy trees. Best said by city manager J. Boudichoir in his letter from an architectural standpoint, the use of awnings overhangs in other elements such as the Port Coucher serve to add visual interest to the facade at the pedestrian level and balance the massing of the building. A traditional ground-supported Port Coucher could help to break up the vertical mass by adding an architectural element at the ground level that is not overwhelmed by the scale of the hotel building. While this page shows the previously approved covered entry at the top and the new proposal at the bottom. This slide, the enlargement, shows the same information for your consideration today. One central window along the second floor guest room, access corridor, will be blocked. In order to make way for the flashing and the counter flashing where the pitched metal roof meets the building facade. In cross section from Gulsher Boulevard north on the left up to the hotel's front door, consider this explanation from the city's planning director. A covered port-cashare is an architectural element that is important to the successful functioning of a hotel, providing protection to guests and employees entering and exiting the hotel from inclement weather. The size of the port-cashare must strike the balance between foreign and function, allowing vehicles to move through at a study pace during weather events, while minimizing adverse visual impacts of an additional structure. While the single-laying Port Cousher is minimal from a massing standpoint, the double-laying Port Cousher extends only 8 feet additional into the 51 foot front setback. Included in the materials attached to today's agenda packet is a proposed planting palette, a planting plan, and this enlargement cross section of the site retaining wall along the sidewalk on the left. Now covered by Ficus Green Repens, the annuals planted behind the walls coping stone in the planting bed, the manicured kuccia hedge, and the bridal veil mid-story canopy tree planting requested by city staff to visually buffer the pork share from view. The proposed materials and specific architectural details are consistent with the previously approved hotel details, including a standing seam metal roof, painted tundra groove soft fits, traditional railings with wood cap, bracket details consistent with other hotel details, and wrapped columns, beams, and raptors. In summary, we have proposed a Port Couchera consistent with city manager direction, but recognizing the expertise of this board and the criteria by which you will make your design terminations under City Code, we'd like to wrap up by confirming some specifics. The proposed addition of a single story to Lane Port Cousherre to the hotel carries a unified architectural and site design concept utilizing materials and details that are complementary to the previously approved hotel and the broader existing community with a comfortable human scale. The proposed addition of a Port Koshare to the hotel is consistent and compatible with the surrounding neighborhood structures and matches the approved architecture, materials and color palette of the hotel. with the surrounding neighborhood structures and matches the approved architecture, materials, and color palette of the hotel. The proportions and human scale of the proposed Port Couchera is designed to protect arriving and departing guests and visitors along with the hotel's employees from the elements. The proposed Port Couchera is designed to the minimum dimensions necessary to achieve its attended purpose. In section, it includes a residentially scaled pitch-truth that begins sloping upward from a beam that is set as low as possible, while still providing the fire departments required clear dimension underneath. And in plan, it includes columns that are located as close to the hotel as possible. In other words, as far away from Gulf Shore Boulevard as possible, while still allowing two cars side by side to be loaded or unloaded simultaneously. The proposed addition of a Port Cushair to the approved hotel design uses appropriate building materials consistent with the Naples Code of Ordinances. None of the materials listed above on screen, nor the conditions described therein are included in the proposed Port Coucher design, which will include articulated design elements, details, and modulations that are consistent with the hotel. The proposed Port Coucher improves the pedestrian scale of the project by stepping the building down to an attractive and protective arrival and departure experience along Gulf Shrubullivard. The proposed Port Coucher is compatible and consistent with the surrounding structures and matches the approved architecture materials and color palette of the hotel. The design includes additional mid-level plantings along Gulf Shrubullivart to provide an improved visual buffer between the Port Coucher and a joining dissimilar uses. The Port Coucher is a normal and customary feature of a luxury hotel in Naples and throughout the world. It provides necessary protection to the guest visitors and employees and further highlights the front door of the hotel, serving as the hotel's primary arrival and departure point. The Port Coucher is climatically responsive and its architectural massing details and material palette and will protect arriving and departing guests. The Port Coucher further emphasizes the previously approved hotel entrance points and differentiates the public hotel from nearby residential buildings within the overall resort. The hotel and the proposed Port Coucher will continue to be accessible via the adjacent sidewalk and the Gulf Shore Boulevard North public right of way. Signage is an integral component to the design of the hotel and be consistent with the code of ordinances. The Port Coucher design does not change the approved crime prevention through environmental design conditions of the hotel. Specifically, the hotel operator will employ measures to monitor the site on a 24-7 basis, including security cameras and hotel staff. The proposed addition of the Port Coucher to the approved hotel design received an approval letter from the city manager in March as presented to the city council in January of 2024. The proposed development is consistent with the initiatives and priorities of the city of Naples vision by promoting the city's vision work plan goal to quote make NAPEL's the green jewel of Southwest Florida by adding lush layered landscaping as a buffer along Gulf Shrubble of Art North. The landscape plans include additional midstory planting with shades trees to further screen the Port Cousher from the public right of way. The low retaining wall along the sidewalk will be a green wall now, planted with ficus and seasonal flowering plants will further enhance the pedestrian experience along the sidewalk. In light of today's presentation and as a licensed architect in the state of Florida, for the reasons consistent with the standards of approval and having adequately addressed the criteria for final review, today we respectfully request your vote of approval for this final DRB petition. And with that we're available for questions. So, Brainer, what's happening? Good. Great job in a great share. I think obviously we get the torrential downpours we've seen lately so it's important but it definitely looks fitting. And as far as the landscape focus, you know, well done, I think having that separation, showing that cross section always is helpful of how it relates to the street and grading as well. 305, 300 gallon bridal veil, I know where you'll find them, but hopefully those are huge. So I think that's a great Mid-story area tree and I see that you've specded appropriately Here Lansing Bargotech has to have 10 foot clear trunk since you are gonna have cars driving underneath the canopy of those So I think you've done a great job my only common as far as like a final site plan landscape. It is tricky to read the cell as far as a review standpoint where it says cell 110 or I-10 and it has 75% this, 25% this, which leaves it to a little interpretation of how it gets laid out in the field. But overall, I think it's gonna look gorgeous. Thank you. Yeah, I think that the new Porticure chair fits in very well with the building, with the front porch area, and what was it existing, the spec'd out for the space. So I think it adds a nice element to it. I'm very happy you guys put those bridal veils in there to help cover it from the street. I think that was very important. I think you did a good job with that. As well as the extra landscaping around the Cluesia hedges and whatnot to give it a little more color and character instead of just that straight hedge, which I thought was a bit bland. So I was happy to see that. You know, the colors and the details in there, I think it looks very nice. And glad that we can use it also as a potential safety option for first responders. I think that's important. So I don't really have anything to question. I think it looks good. Thank you. Jay, I have no comments or critique. Thank you. I'm glad we're here. I was what two, three years ago when we sat on this board and all of us, unanimous, he said, you don't have a port-courseur. How can you build a hotel in the tropics without a port-courseur? And I know it puts you through a lot of, when you're crying, it's a lot of stress and aggravation to get there, but I'm glad we're here, and I'm glad everybody in that process heard us and responded favorably to it. I think it's not only just a must, it's an improvement in a number of ways. Just the character, that one shot that you have, that one. Driving up to this big building, right? Once you get into that space, it doesn't feel big. The pedestrian scale, it feels like an old Florida, old Florida resort. Just the character, that port kosher, the character, the covered porch, the character of the fenestration that you have entering into that lobby. If you mind didn't see that, at tall story building, you think you'd have, you're walking into a one story, two story building. It reminiscent of the character, the building, the building, the hotel that was there before. And I think that it's definite improvement. I think you did an excellent job doing it. And definitely the screening and the improvement of the landscape on the front is, you went above and beyond what we would have expected. The one thing you did mention is sidewalk. If I'm walking on golf show and I want to get in, how do I, where do I walk? To the coconut connector. To the coconut connector? Okay, so I don't, I don't walk up to the front door here. I'm gonna flip to this plan. Um, so the, the gray sidewalk, I'm going to just use the cursor if it works here. Yeah. The gray sidewalk is in the public right of way and come along and use the coconut connector to come up this path where my hand is. Oh, OK. And then I come all the way back to the front door. And that comes right out of the way of any comings and goings in terms of. OK, so that sidewalk is parallel to the entry drive, but you have to cross it to come back. Yes, sir. Got you. Okay. All right. That was my only question. Staff report. Good afternoon. Excuse me for the record Leslie Dolmorph, City and Naples Plain Department. My resume and qualifications are on file. And I've been previously certified as an expert in planning and zoning. Our final, excuse me, agenda item today is petition 24DRB28 which is requesting final design review and approval for a two-lane single-story portion attached to the hotel currently under construction as part of the Naples Beach Club redevelopment on the property located at 851 Goldshore Boulevard North. The structure is approximately 21 feet in height with a 14 foot clearance under roof. The portion will not affect the existing vehicular circulation onsite and will accommodate a covered area both for patrons and staff as well as for responders in the event that they need to respond to the hotel. Landscape plans have been modified to include additional mid-story plant material to further buffer the view of the Port-Chare from Gulf Shore Boulevard North and this, both the size and shape of the Port-Chare as well as the additional landscape is consistent with the determination of city manager for the Port-Ch manager to allow for the Port Cousher to in this particular location. We'd also like to note that the scope of this petition, 24-DRB28 is limited to the proposal for this Port Cousher edition and does not impact or otherwise affect the other approvals granted by this board for the design elements of the overall redevelopment of the subject property. We sent out a notice to surrounding property owners within 1,000 feet of the subject property we did not receive any communication related to this particular request and we are staffs available for questions. The one condition of approval we're recommending is again, that landscape certification letter. So at the conclusion of construction, the landscape architect will certify. So we'll have a number of these for the different elements, especially on this specific site for HBs for the hotel for the park chair, but we'll go out and we'll take a look at all of that when the time is right. Thank you. We do have one speaker, Julie France. Is she here? Is she here? Is she here? Okay. I bring back to the board. Are there any other comments? If not, I'll entertain a motion. I'll motion to approve agenda item 7-I, DRB 28, Naples Beach Club Port Co-Share with one condition. Second, roll call please. Alternate member Dupont. Yes. Vice Chair Fredrickson is absent. Member Hwy. Yes. Member McKay. Yes. Chair Ruby. Yes. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you. Thank you all Thank you, okay. I'm sorry. I'm so my apologies. I misspoke. We did receive one letter Mayor the mayor and City Council did Received one letter in response to this the mayor received the letter And Was that that's a pretty into the record. I will yes. I will read it for the letter. Yes. Yeah. What was that? That's a bit of a putty into the record. I will, yes. I will read it for the record. Okay. This is Mayor and City Council. First, it is outrageous that you permit city staff. I.E. Leslie Dalmarty Schedule Final Design Review for the Naples Beach Club Hotel Portic Share on August 28, 2024, when none of the residents are in town. Second, the DRB application for the Naples Beach Club Hotel Portic Share states that one, the city manager approval letter dated March 8th, 2024 is attached. It is not in two, the sufficiency letter dated June 20th, 2024. From Leslie Delmer. I lost my hand. Granting administrative approval of Revision 7 to site plan 19 SP 8 is attached. It is not please immediately forward to me a copy of the reference letters. Third, the residents of the city of Naples have recorded user rights in first street, i.e. the Gulf Shore Boulevard North in the same location that the Naples Beach Club wants to build their car port. You don't have to believe me but you might want to believe what David Dagestino has to say the affidavit of David Dagestino which was signed under oath on February 17th 2022 and submitted an evidence in Collier County Circuit Court states in relevant part. One, I am a duly licensed professional land surveyor under the laws of the state of Florida, under license number PSM 5762. I have been a licensed surveyor in the state of Florida since 1998, performing services in Collier County for 24 years. Two, I am the founder and CEO of Dagestino Geospatial Inc. My curriculum, Vitei is attached as exhibit one. I have personal knowledge of the matter set forth herein. Four, I am very familiar with the property known as the Naples Golf and Beach Club. The NGBC property, formerly owned by Naples Golf and Beach Club. The NGBC property formerly owned by Naples Golf and Beach Club. The surrounding area, I have surveyed the property on numerous occasions, including being the surveyor of record and connection with the reply to the property recorded on October 8, 2020. In platbook 68, page 52, 56, 256 of the public records of Collier County, Florida. 22, I have examined ordinance number 72 26, 256 of the public records will call your county for that. 22, I have examined ordinance number 72, did August 1, 1930, a copy of which is attached as exhibited. It applied to the streets, avenues, ways, and alleys in block 30 tier 1 and blocks 29 through 34 inclusive tiers 2 through 9 as designated on platbook 1 page 8. It expressly vacated multiple avenues and streets depicted in platbook 1 page eight, it expressly vacated multiple avenues and streets depicted in Placbook 1 page eight in the area in ordinance number 72. 26, after the vacation of the Rose Reference in ordinance number 72, the only remaining roads in the area described in ordinance number 72 were the following. First street from 7th Avenue North to 13th Avenue North, 7th Avenue North, 8th Avenue North, 9th Avenue North, 8th Avenue North, 9th Avenue North, 10th Avenue North, 11th Avenue North and 12th Avenue North lying between Gulf Street and First Street. All of the Alley's lying in blocks 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, and 34, Tier 1 were also remaining under ordinance number 72. Number 32, the recorded plat sheet for platbook 1 page 63 shows more land than what was actually included in the legal description for platbook 1 page 63. This practice is common in surveys to provide information regarding the surrounding property to orient the location of the parcel of land being surveyed. However, merely showing the surrounding land on the plat sheet does not in any manner impact the land shown on the plat sheet but not contained within the legal description of the plat. Any labeling or comments on property not within the legal description of the plat is merely for information or direction. According to Mr. Jagasino, first street known as Gulf Shore Boulevard North has never been vacated and remains as plated in plat book 1 page 8. Thus anyone who purchased property according to plat book 1 page 8 has user rights in first street known aste Book 1 page 8. Thus anyone who purchased property according to Platte Book 1 page 8 has user rights in First Street, known as Gulf Shore Boulevard North, in location as shown in Platte Book 1 page 8. If City Council does not immediately take action to stop the Naples Beach Club hotel from trespassing on First Street, in the location as shown on Platte Book 1 page 8, IE in the same location that the Naples Beach Club wants to build their carport, I will retain experienced eminent domain council to file a class action against the city of Naples, including claims for inverse condemnation and takings under the Fifth Amendment to the US Constitution. In light of Mr. Dagstein, I was affidavit, you don't have a leg to stand on. I suggest you do what you were elected to do and put a stop to the city manager's efforts to aid and abet the Naples Beach Club in their unlawful conversion of first street in the location as shown in Platinum one page eight Greg Myers. Yes, please also send me a copy of one the city's agreement with the Dickman law firm and two the city agreement with Ralph Brooks. Wednesday 8 7 2024. on the day of the day. One day eight seven twenty twenty four. What time? 4 11. P.M. Into the day yesterday. No, eight seven. Four 11. P.M. 20 days ago. 20 days ago. That wasn't included in our package. Okay. All right. It's in record. Thank you. Any other comments? Okay. We're done. Okay. Thank you all very much. Thank you. Next item is gender is number eight. Public comment. Is there any general public comment? If not We're in a nine correspondence and communication staff anything for us We have a discussion with city council on the design review handbook Really the September 18th agenda? September 18th. Is that going to be workshop? When you say discussion, what does that mean? I believe it's a public hearing item. At which you will be speaking? No, remember? Whether you know it or not. Yeah, it's right. Yes. Is it going to be a agenda item? Yes, and it'll be right at the very beginning. I'm sorry. It'll be at the very beginning of that very beginning. Okay. Um, and is it just for discussion or is it to move the agenda movie? Um, I believe it is for it's, um, it's on a regular meeting so it's not just discussion. We can take action. Take action. We can provide additional direction. There's some options. Okay, so we're moving the agenda. Because I know we've had several discussions before with Council. I included money in the budget under professional services for the graphic design, graphic artists, to put this together. So we need Council's approval of the text of the handbook before we can move forward. And you need approval for RFP for your design? We will, yes. That'll be the next step. We need to approve the text so that we can then get that sent off to someone to put together. Can you do them both to move the agenda quicker? Do you have to finish the text first? Well, that money hasn't been finalized yet so. That's a next year's budget. Very close. Very close. Okay. All right, any other discussion? Any other issues? Burning issues? No. Okay. That being said, do I hear a motion to adjourn? Make a motion to adjourn the meeting. Second. All in favor the meeting. Second. All in favor. Aye. Aye. Posed. No.