I'm going to call the planning and zoning meeting for Wednesday, May 14th, 2025 to order. Can we have a roll call please? Chairman Kennedy. Here. Mr. Andrew Covex. Here. Ms. Havana. Here. Mr. Hatcher. Here. Mr. Elma Fattano. Here. Mr. Duane. Here. Thank you. Before we move forward, I'm going to ask that everybody please make sure that their phones are turned off or to vibrate. There is no minutes at this time. There's no old business at this time. The first item under new business is AR2025-10166 requests for consideration of applications to fill the vacated seat of Eric Rainbird for the planning and zoning board. Staff report, please. Thank you. City staff have received four applications to serve on the planning and zoning board. Eric Rainbird, the former planning and zoning board member, won the special election. As vacated as seat, City staff would like to remind the board that this decision is a recommendation to the council and the council has the final decision. This recommendation would go to the June 2nd, 2025. Staff is recommending the planning and zoning boards and the first and second choice recommendation to the city council and just stipulate that that second choice be considered as an alternate request for the council to consider as well. Just as you know, pardon me, as you know, the Planning and Zoning Board has a quorum of five, not four, like the other boards, so I think an alternate would be helpful just to allow some flexibility for the Planning and Zoning members, also to give other people an opportunity to serve on the board as well. So the four applicants were Gigi Bennington, Patrick Fisher, James McGinnis, and Tim London. And with that, I'll let you call up the applicant. Okay, are any of the applicants here? Okay, you wanna come forward and introduce yourself. One at a time please. Name and address. Patrick Fisher, 2100 Air Park Road. Trying not to bore you with a statement. I was your typical hometown kid growing up here in Edgewater during the mid-70s, long before the days of computers and cell phones. You know, we ran the streets, played the woods, swimming the shell pits, and sometimes found ourselves in a little bit of trouble. I attended Edgewater Public Elementary the first year it was open. Later I graduated from New Sumerian Beach High School. Been here all my life. I worked 40 years at Coca-Cola in Daytona Beach, drove up and down every day back and forth, married my high school sweetheart. So I worked at Coke for 40 years, holding various positions and levels within the company. 35 over 35 of those years I was in management. My career was focused on learning, leading, teaching, coaching and developing both myself and others to achieve the highest standards of professionalism. My business acumen spends customer service, sales and marketing, distribution, logistics, and finance. Over the years, I've developed skills listening to people, analyzing issues and objectives, offering practical solutions. I take pride in my ability to solve problems and make sound decisions. When necessary, I will seek out the information and strive to understand all perspectives and make a well-informed decision. The fact that I'm here today with a prepared statement even should tell you something about my character, I take this opportunity serious and I will come prepared to do the work. Why the planning and zoning board you might ask? I am retired and have both the time and a desire to serve the community in a meaningful way. I believe I can provide a layman's perspective to the board and a decision making process. Since I am neither a contractor nor a realtor, I can represent the voice of every day resident, someone who understands the community not just from a business standpoint, but as a lifelong member of it. Mr. Chairman is even extended the information on more than one occasions for citizens to step up and apply to this board. Here I am. I'm ready to bring my experience, commitment and common sense to serve the city of edgewater and the citizens and contribute to its growth and sustainability. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Sir. Yes, my name is Tim London 2632. Yes, my name is Tim London 2632. We're going to drive. I'm new to the area, four years residents of Edgewater, mainly from the Midwest, Northern Midwest. came to Florida four years ago or six years ago, did a project in Palatka, fell in love with the state and basically retired to Edgewater. So, been involved with construction on my life. I was familiar with everything that goes on. It was a charge of major projects for a million dollars and up to some times to craft craft level over a thousand people. So I thought I'd try to get involved with the community and see if I can pay back a little bit. Thank you. Anyone else? Okay. Questions? comments? My contractor. So Mr. London stuck out to me pretty quickly. You know, he's a no offense, Mr. London olderin, older version of me. You know, I mean, he's got a lot of construction experience. He's got a lot of project management experience, especially looking at the size of these projects, the industrial stuff, commercial construction. So he's kind of already been working through the stuff that we're currently going through right now. So I think he definitely could be beneficial and then Mr. Fisher in my opinion, honestly the lifelong resident part to it got me because lifelong resident, for sure you are too. So you're also stuck out to me because of, and you've been here. You've been very involved for a year plus now. So those two were my one and two. Same to be honest. I scored Mr. London as one. Mr. Fisher's. Yeah, I went opposite on that. But I mean, I do like the, I do like the way that he's been here. And it's also not on any other boards. It hasn't been, you know, into the, you know, I don't know, the council and all that other stuff like some other, you know, applicants have and, you know, it just has that overall perspective which I think is really needed and really important. I'm sure being here for 60 years, I mean you definitely know some people too so I mean my vote would be there number one there. But my reason for Mr. London was experience as Chris pointed out, we are in desperate need of hints of looking fresh blood at some of the major projects that we're going to be facing. And I think that's agreed. But I mean, that's if we already have five contractors on the board. There's no diversity for other things. He's not a contract. No, he's got an engineering degree. That's what I like. First with? Well, that's exactly how I looked at it too. I would have to agree with one and two. Very impressed with both of them as far as one locally. One as far as it should be. The only thing I'll just add is that Mr. London also had applied to the economic development board and that board has recommended him for consideration or for appointment by the council So he's gonna be going for that recommendation as well But again, it's the council's decision regardless of the board's recommendation, so Do we know who's pick it is? Or are they gonna actually disperse it and talk about it and then come to the position? So specific council members appointment? I do not know which one. OK. Point. So we don't know. All right. I'm just curious. What was the last time we had this situation? Yeah, what was time we had a four-hour? I don't think that's the answer. And I've been on it for over 14 years. You must be doing something drastic. We've got four hours. I'm going to put Mr. Linden on the spot. If you had a choice between the economic development board and the planning and zoning board, which one would you use? You got to tell them to answer that you didn't tell the economic development board. I'm when I listed both boards. I didn't think this would happen. I thought it would be one or the other. I believe I can help both locations. My experience, some of my customers lasted almost 10 years and over multiple projects. So we were up front early on and in discussion what they wanted to do with their funds and their construction. So... It's 50-50 to me. That was going to be my question. So project management construction world encompasses a lot of different things. So were you more on the construction side, so to speak, or more on the budgeting fiscal side of that project? I did both. For these, as we explained, my career was typically the main guy on the site. And most of our projects lasted two to three years. So I dealt the most with the budget, with the customer, and I dealt the most with the budget with the customer and I dealt the most with long-range planning on the projects. Okay. Thank you. All right. I'm going to ask for a motion. We don't sit here all night. a motion to recommend to the council on AR 2025-0166. Mr. London has one and Mr. Fisher is just. I'll second. Chairman Kennedy. Yes. Mr. Duane. Yes. Mr. Alma Fattano. No. the committee. Yes. Chairman Kennedy. Mr. Duane. Mr. Alma Fattano. Mr. Hatcher. Yes. Mr. Andrew Covex. Yes. Okay. Next item on the agenda is V.A. 2501. Requests for variances to allow encroachment into a side yard setback, cool setback, a height variance and a side variance for a detached garage at 1866 Banyan Drive. Can we have a step forward? Yes, thank you. The app pin is requesting for several variances. The first is from Article 5, Table V1. side dimensions, minimum side yard setback from 10 feet to a 5 yard setback. They're also requesting from Article 3, Section 2130-909. They allow us swimming pool to be 3 feet from an accessory pool structure in lieu of 5. And then Article 3, Section 2130-02, General Regulations. Exemption from matching the architectural facade as a requirement when a accessory structure is over 200 square feet. And then Article 3, Section 2136-02, general regulations, Part C, allow the accessory structure to be 15 in height, which would be 3 feet higher than the primary, just 12 feet higher. City staff did send out public notice within 500 feet of the subject property shown here. And the applicant did provide the survey and with a site plan concept plan. City staff did review the application against Article 9, Section 21100.040, non-administrative variance, and found that the applicant could not meet all six of the criteria as required by the Land Development Code for Staff to recommend approval. City staff will note that the applicant was able to meet number two, seeing that there's been other var nearby, granted for garages. And with that, staff will answer any questions regarding the staff report. Okay. I'll look in the public hearing. Is the applicant in the audience? No. Okay. That makes it. Anybody else have any questions or comments from the audience? Four comments or questions. One of the things that I see is the lack of information on the structure that we usually get. And, in all honesty, I mean, I really don't know what this is. It looks like I don't know. It's too many unknowns. We need to make a decision on this. There is a comment in there about metal sighting. You know, which I don't know what that means. Is it one of this pre-pap, like things? Yeah, we've been through this before, which with garages. And we've been burnt. And I have to say that based on this information, it doesn't meet our level of requirements. And for me, you're talking about a 15-foot height building five feet off the property line. Things going to be sitting seven feet above the fence. Right. Historically, you guys all know, for me, that the guy. I don't want to be the guy at 1862 waking up in the morning looking outside of a warehouse. We've been, I still say that that thing on, on old mission is bigger than what we agreed on. No, it's the right size, it was just big. I mean, it was a thing, and we cut it down. It's like what? Yeah, but so does anyone else share this? I agree. Yeah, yeah. I mean, applicants not here. Exactly. What does that tell you? Well, on the other part, the kind of got me too. So we've got a pool screen enclosure. We have three feet between it. So that's just going to become this dirt walk away with a bunch of stuff piled in it. Five foot between offense and the building, same thing. It's going to be dirt, a bunch of stuff piled in it. It's in just a bunch of cars. And while I appreciate it so that they can save money on their rent, maybe not buy a bunch of cars that you can't put somewhere on your property. Just a thought. OK. After saying the comments, I'll close the public hearing and ask for a motion. I make a motion to our 9 V8 25 0 1 request for variances have stated second. Who is the second? Thank you. Mr. Wilford, you're going to do your normal explanation that a yes vote is. Right. It's a motion to deny. If you say yes, then you want to deny the various. Thank you. It's confusing. Thank you for that clear. That's why we have a gift. Mr. Joanne. Yes. Mr. Amoffatano. Yes. Mr. Hatcher. Yes. Ms. Heavener. Yes. Mr. Andrew Covex. Yes. Chairman Kennedy. Yes. Well, he didn't speak up. Normally, he jumps up quickly. So I was like, wait a minute. He's been speaking to us. Well for this time. That was true. Excedem on the agenda is VA2502. Request for variances from Article 5, Table 5-1 for a side yard setback reduction. In a rear yard setback reduction for the property located at 2003-12. Staff report, please. Thank you, Chair. The request before you is from Article 5, Table V1, which is site dimensions, and the applicant is requesting a minimum side yard setback in lieu of 10 feet of 8.7 feet. And the applicant is also requesting, oh, I apologize, 8.7 feet instead of 10 feet. And the applicant is requesting a rear yard setback of 12 feet from 30 feet with the hanger door as being proposed. So the applicant is proposing to build an addition on the hanger to facilitate this hanger home for the special plane that the gentleman owns. Yeahapkin did receive H.O.A approval from the H.O.A. City staff did review the variance requests against Article 9, Section 21100.040 and found that Yapkin could not meet all six of the criteria as required for staff to recommend approval. City staff will note that existing variances have been granted for the hangar homes in this area. Okay. I will open the public hearing. Do you want to say anything, Mr. Pals? I mean, you don't have to. Is this thing coming out? It needs to be left there. Yes sir. I mean, you don't have to. Is this thing coming out? It needs to be left there. Yes, sir. Oh, okay. Sorry. Apologies. I thought he was going to talk to you. Yeah. So just the, the structures already built where the first thing I think we said was 8.7 feet That's already there. So we're just expanding toward the taxiway and That's the ask So yeah, that's just sort of it. We need to I live in the door in the house next door About this home for my mother-in-law. She lives there and I want to put my plane in the hanger. Oh, you don't put a mother-in-law in the hanger? I have five sons. I might move to the hanger. So this is going to be... this is going to allow me to put the airplane in the hanger. The airplane has a lot of up high stuff to do and right now my, my wife does that for me, like checking oil and stuff like that. And it's a lot easier if we could just walk next door and do it versus going down to the commercial hanger where it currently is. So I live next door and you guys were kind enough to give me a variance, to get even closer to the taxiway on my house probably five years ago now. Yep. Thank you. Any other comments or questions from the audience? Board comments or questions? I only said one, not a pilot, stated a holiday in last night. There's not a lot of space between what appears I'm gauging it off of your survey so it I mean 12 feet not a lot of space between the building and what I'm gonna assume is the edge of the taxiway. Okay that was the okay because I was just afraid that if you were parked on the ramp Are you impeding another aircraft coming behind you? Okay, yeah, cuz there that was that letter that they gave permission Well, I know I just it doesn't give us any reference to right his property line to the actual taxiway So was the taxiway next to his property line where it's tails hanging out the middle of the taxiway Okay, okay Can you come up to the podium please Please. Thank you. These are all airport people here. We've come here to support Clayton and what he wants to do. We think it'll enhance the airport. Can you come up to the podium please? Thank you. These are all airport people. Here we've come here to support Clayton and what he wants to do. We think it'll enhance the airport. And he's got approval from the masses to do that. And their concern was the Hanger door, exactly what you said, sir, with the tails of the other airplanes. And they made him, you move it back, right? Where it wouldn't impede on them. We're all here to support him and we think it'll be enhanced their report. The community and everything it's because it's a lot of money and now that's all paved there by the way so it's really turned out nice I mean the airport's really coming up nice and it'll will enhance it again we're all we're all here to Thanks, sir. Please state your name and address for the record. I'm John Craig C. R. A. I. Jim and neighbor to him 1903 12th Street. I'm a neighbor to Clay. Thank you Well, all I can say is it's too messy so I'm so fond of this is pretty strong I know it. No, no. Okay. I'll close the public hearing and ask for a motion. I'll make a two approved VA-2502. Thank you. Sorry, Albert. You're quick, man. Is that holiday and stay? It was. Express. Mr. Duane. Yes. Mr. Amel Fattano. Yes. Mr. Hatcher. Yes. Ms. Havana. Mr. Andrew Covex. Yes. Mr. Chairman Kennedy. Yes. OK. VA 2 5 VA 2 5 0 3 is the next item on the agenda. Requests for several variances from Article 5, Table 5-1, to construct a new single family home on the property located at 216 North River Side Drive. Staff report, please. Thank you, Chair. Request before you is from Article 5. Table V-1, again, site dimension, city staff, that's end up public notice within five-and-a-feet of the subject properties. The applicant is requesting a variance from footnote 5 of table V1 within Article 5 to reduce the minimum two-story side yard setback from 15 feet to 10 feet. They're also requesting to reduce the minimum lot size area from 12,000 square feet to 10,000 square feet. There are also requesting from Table V1 site dimensions. And within that section article 21-41-04, in lieu of a 50 foot mean high water line setback, they'd like to request a 26 foot mean high water line setback. And then last week Table V1 site dimensions to allow the wetlands to be immediately adjacent and lieu of the required 25 feet. City staff did review the application against Article 9 section 211040 and did determine that the applicant could not meet all six of the criteria. City staff will note that there are certain policies within the comprehensive plan, such as Upland Buffer requirements within our conservation element, conservation policy 1.6.2, that we will maintain a 25 foot Upland offer. This was granted a variance in the past, which is set to expire. City staff will note that a Jason properties have been given these variances, most recently at 217 North Riverside Drive, 417, 423, and And with that city staff, we'll be happy to answer any questions or concerns. Thank you. I'll open the public hearing, it's applicant, the audience. You wanna come forward and give us your name and address, please. Brian Lee 210 North Riverside. Okay. Cross the street., Mr. Lee I believe that this this property had a variance approved on it in the past as that Yes, sir. Okay twice and twice. Okay, and what what year was the last one granted? 22 I believe it was Middle of COVID and what and what happened happened what happened from that time period to now What what like what caused the delay to get you to this spot? Mostly while there's health and finance mostly, okay, but it was And then the COVID course through a wrench and everything too. Okay. I think it was 21 actually. Perfect. So in 22, March 9th of 2022, the Planning and Zoning Board approved all of the requested variants. The requests tonight are the same that were approved on March 9th of 2022. Any of anybody else have any questions? I just have a question because I walk the property and I ride down there every day. My question was the cocaine or rock retainer wall. To the east of that is all, it looks like marsh. It's wet. It's wet. It's wet. So, so that doesn't come into play with the variance going, you know, it says from the mean high water level. That mangrove stuff has- That, so he's also requesting, so typically it's the St. John's requirement, the city's codified it, most cities have it. Typically, there's a 25 foot upland buffer from wetlands. On this site that would push the property further towards Riverside. Right. Right. I'm just, I guess I'm thinking hindsight, is that something that we need to look at? You know, in current. Well, so the, yeah, I would say yes because we keep approving variances for this. I think typically so in the comp plan right now in the land development code, it kind of talks about shoreline protection. That's why we have the 50 foot. We have the 25 foot upland buffer. And that's also to preserve some of the open space on the river. We also have a policy of not hardening the shoreline. Now, he's not doing that on this one with his sea wall, but actually in order to use a sea wall at the city, an an engineer has to prepare a report for the city demonstrating that any other kind of technique for bank stabilization won't have a positive outcome and so that the only solution left is to harden. And so that would need to be re-looked at as far as the policy if we want to encroach in this area. Okay. So right now he's wanting to encroach the 25 foot upland by how much? How far away from it? Oh, literally. That one's going to be right up against the corner of the house. Yeah, so the property actually has, there's a right after the Bokina rock retainer wall, there's, looks like there may be a conservation. He's been based on the survey in that area. And it's also flood zone, AE, so it's in the 100-year flood zone there. And right now, he's noting from the main high water line, he has a setback of 32.38, but it doesn't indicate the setback from the Cokino Rock Wall. I'm just sharing the back of the line. Sorry, Ryan. So maybe let me put the survey up and then well and then it looked so the cocaine walls actually already there. Correct. Okay. That was done during the first or second periods. Gotcha. Does it tell us that Bob's picture showed me that the wall was already there. I mean, the only other question I had was, are we gonna end up, same thing I said with the whole stem wall thing, not too long ago? Are we inadvertently setting ourselves up for another variance request? Because like the way his site plan is right now, you have nowhere for a swimming pool. So 20 years fast forward, 10 years fast forward, you know what we want to put in a swimming pool there's only one place for us to do it and it's right in the middle of that conservationism. It's actually going to be incorporated into the structure. Into the structure. Okay. OK. All right. That was the question. I have a local builder already talking with him about how it's going to be done. He's done it at his house. OK. The pool is going to be incorporated into the structure. Into that 41 by 71 footprint there. OK. And just so you know, during that 100 year, the first 100 year storm that we had, the water never crested the top of that pad that you saw there, just like the neighboring property to the north that never went in as garage. They're sitting at the same level. And if it didn't happen then, in plus we're gonna go up with this down wall. It's just gonna say, you have to our finished floor be eight and a half feet. And that's it in that five. Five point one or something like that. Okay. Another three feet higher for the for the finished floor. Any other questions? How are you going to stop your runoff on your 10 foot setbacks? Now that you just said you're going up eight and a half feet just. Just the house, not the lane. Yeah, all the adjacent property. So the south of us, he's got... Oh, he's way up there. Yeah, he's way up there. So they're going to have to do a stem wall here just because the property is so much smaller. Because they're in the special flood hazard, compensating storages required. So cup for cup. So when you get on these river lots, yeah, you're gonna start noticing people are gonna be digging out front yards on the right side. Yeah, they're gonna bring in fill. So I already have a couple spots already on the south and the north end out by the sidewalk that was part of the plan plan even deeper if I have to It's deeper. I already have a water retention Designed already in place Any other questions. Thank you. That's it. Yep any other comments My name is Joe Grobowski, 217 North Riverside. So I am the house to the north of Mr. Lee. And my biggest concern is there's just too many unknowns about the water issue between the two houses. My garage is right now the level of his hat. And if you approve a 10 foot setback, when he builds his house is not going to be enough area for to absorb the water. And the runoff from his house is going to come straight towards my garage door. We already get water in there when there's light rain. And that's our entrance into the house. So when you come off my driveway into the garage and you come out the door of the garage, you're at the level of his pad right now. and I have 15 feet set back, if he gets 10 feet, then I don't think there's enough room. There's just too many unknowns about how the water is going to run. All the other barrens he's looking for, I'm okay with. It's just the 10 foot between the two houses. It doesn't even fit in with the neighborhood. You're talking Riverside Drive, and you're gonna have two houses, 25 feet apart. In this particular area. I know there's other areas where they are that close, but in this particular area right up the street from where we're standing today, there's no houses out of that close to each other. I have a picture, am I able to share that? So the first one is a bad picture. that's the pad. And when I'm trying to explain is just past the jet ski is where my door is to my garage. And that is the same level or even lower than the pad today. So what I don't understand is, you know, is how the stem wall is going to be built. how much dirt is going to be added, and how much slope there's going to be to push more water towards that garage door. If you can go to the next picture. I don't think there will be any. The stem wall is going to go up and there's to the other side of the stem wall, but I don't think he's going to be overbrain the grade around the house up at all. That's what my concern is. Yeah, but what I'm looking at is this retaining wall that separates the two of you. Is that coming up at all? Is the retaining wall going to come up at all? Is you're just going to stay that high? well so where I was going so you're not the intent isn't to add any dirt to the current Well, so where I was going so you're not the intent isn't add any dirt to the current Right, so so that kind of so between your retaining wall and his swell that's probably gonna curb Any water from leaving his property. Well, can we go to the next one? There's a couple more pictures the building Department is yeah, they fire that all the water gets your tail on the property. So there's the concern is that water right there being pushed. If there's any more dirt added where that white stake is, that white stake 10 feet that's what was approved before and that's before all the concerns and edgewater with the water you know the issues with water everywhere an edgewater a new smur to beach are now true so is that it my time's up oh Oh, sorry. Next. I'm Richard Harman. I actually own the other side of Mr. Lee's Law to an I North River side. The one nice and high with retainables alongside of it there. As far as, you know, I mean, obviously, Mariah has been working on this for a couple of years, but I didn't even realize, first off, I wasn't notified that there was any variances requested. I wasn't notified about any of this meeting. So that's a little concerning. I didn't win, which is this lot subdivided back off to 16 north Riverside. Can anyone answer that for me? It was attached to you to 16 a couple of years ago so they could bypass the permitting to be able to build a dock with no house on the property. So last I knew that lot was still attached. So is it still attached or is it has been accepted? Subdivided back off. No, I believe it's in subdivided. Okay, well I had no idea. It's still showing 216 on the role. So it should be 211. It is one property right now, the intent of the variances is to decide. Well, I think it should be subdivided before we're given variances. I mean... It can be subdivided because it would be creating a non-conforming law. Hence the reason to create these variances, to create a law that is essentially non-conforming to a law. Okay, well again, it's non-conforming, but his law is 104 feet wide, mine's 100 feet wide. I was more than able to fall within the 15 foot setbacks on both sides. So, you know, I'm not feeling a whole lot of that, but I am a little concerned, you know, we put retaining walls up. You and I have spoken, you know, me and planning and some water guys have all talked. And I was required to keep all the water on my property. His co-kina wall, if you're allowing that house to be built right against the co-kina, all the rain off the bag of the house is going into, in Lagoon. And I had to do, run circles and loops with being a storm water to keep mine on there. And I have retaining walls around it that got a six, eight inch way to stop the water all the way around the property. I mean, granted right now on the side of Mr. Lee, we were originally talking about bringing the lots up together that change. So I will have to still do a retaining wall on my north side. But it is a little concerning. And I don't feel that I think there's plenty of room in a 15 foot set back on a hundred foot wide lot So you build a two story house without having to encroach on Mr. Grubowski's lot or towards mine You know I agree with you know with mr. Grubowski as far as you know, why are we cramming this house in here? We're going to stories I mean my house is 4,000 square feet and I'm well within I mean the house is 60 feet wide you know I don't think you need a whole lot more to do that but yeah and as I said I didn't know about the subdividing and all that because I mean it's been a convenience thing for them to you know each time I'm not sure if he's going to we've been told he was going to build three different times start to build not build reattach do a little more put a new for sales sign out whatever but I just I think yeah should shoot down at least a side setbacks thank you. Any last four comments or questions? Just a comment. In front of this gentleman had just, just spoke, sidewalk gets flooded all the time there, on the other side, in front of his house. And I, because we ride down there and we had a detour around it. So there's standing water at an issue at present there. And the runoff is a concern. I think we need to really look at that. As the gentleman pointed out, went back to the original 15- yard setback, which I think we've adjusted on other structures. I think that would be more amicable in a sense. 15 feet. 15 feet. What did I say? 15 yards? No, 15 feet. I'm sorry. 15 feet. You said a first down. I mean just to prevent, we can prevent an issue. That would make a difference. I'm not sure. Are you, I'm not an engineer, I'm not a, he has a good point about it being just ran off right into yeah that's what I was gonna ask mr. Lee what is there any reason why you couldn't bring the house forward 40 foot setback is the reason for that why no I know you're asking for four different changes here so mean well if you want to do that that's fine I'd like to get it get it off the cocaine wall anyway, just so you know, there's going to be another four foot big cocaine sitting across the top of that. So there's going to be an area that's going to keep the runoff back out of the lagoon, as he said. In other words, over the top of the existing there. And we went to a lot of trouble to keep it more natural and keep all of vegetation. We didn't fill ours full of 200 loads of sand and stuff. So we deliberately did that. And we wanted to keep it more natural. And if you do a single story, I thought a single story, you can do 10 foot setbacks. Is that correct? It's always 15. Setbacks, setbacks. And so on single story on the river, yeah. 10 foot, right? It's jumps to 15 when you go to the store. Two story. So if we do a single story at 10 foot or two story at 10 foot, is there other than the height being an issue like you were talking about being close to a fence or what not. We have no intentions of fences. But it seems to me that if the city has already told me that what to do for retention front back sides everything and I've dug out like I said down in the front and I'm willing to work with both of those guys if they want to go up on the seat on his wall on the north side and on his retention down on the north I mean the north side of his property the south side of mine down by the side walk we can come up with a plan there you know join it up and retain all his water and my water down there just a thought But... Proof-Lance. Oh, I know. I actually twice. I know. But... just a thought. But. Proof once. Oh, I know. Actually, twice. I know. I'm not a lot of fun. I've proved that we're not. Why are you not floating? Flooding. Again, I like. That's not really. With the last two years, basically, George, other issues have come to surface along Rivers side with water. Let's say water in the city of Edgwater. And I know it's been done past, but we've had things looked at. I was, this is, I've been, I was on the board when this happened. I would be curious if I voted yes, the last time. But I had questions right away about it because of the closeness to the vegetation in the back on the east side by the volcano wall and side yard. So can we move the house further? Can we come to the west or? Can we just just changed that. If you change the front set. Instead of it being a 40 make it a 35 in the front. That gives him 10 foot off the back. And then that actually will still have 10 foot on the south. We can reduce the size of the footprint too. We don't have to. That's just the way the original one was one was we wanted to reinstate what was done before. So we have we have wiggle room. Yeah. That was going to be one of my questions so you don't have an actual home. We had we had plans designed engineer and everything for the like when he was talking about when I was talking about building and a lot of stuff happened but the reason we attached it also was to get around the building of the dock, but also my father-in-law, who passed away, we have to sell his property. So that's part of the reason that we're selling. He's splitting it off. We don't want our lot to go with it. We're planning on just enjoying it with a dock on it, with his house, and not going into the building. It's a lot of money to build a house. And so that's been so the reality is he's going to have to have his plans restamped anyway. We do. We do. We do. We can we actually go. No, I know that's why I was letting them know some of it. Some of the board might not know that. Correct. After a few years, it's not things we stand to the new code. So how do we address what we would discuss now? Well, Mary said he was willing to lessen the footprint. So how do we change what if we say, let's hold the 15 on the sides and then lessen the front setback for 35. That allows him to keep the house. on the sides and then lessen the front setback for 35. That allows him to keep the house. Is what I mean, 10 off the block, that would put us in. Five probably will be pretty unnoticeable. I was actually talking about the front to back not decide to side. I know, but I'm just trying to see if we can compromise all the way around here. So right now, it's a different based on the survey. It looks like the gentleman on a one story product to get it 72 to ride on a two-story product Which has nothing to do with the water that just has to do with the house Be kind of like your traditional range of soft houses. Yeah. Which is pretty much what the north and the south houses are going to be. They're just the time the other way. So there's this four requested action. Can we do down each one and how are they going to change? Are they going to stay the same? What's the first one? The first one. Set back to 15 to 10. I personally like the 15 only because it's going to start them up like a subtergeist. Okay, so let's circle out. Okay, so that's 15. It's gonna to start to look like a subdivision. Okay. Okay. So let's encircle that. Okay. So that's 15. It's going to stay at 15. Well, that's just. No, I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying we're discussing it for a second. And we need. We need conversations like this. Okay. The next one. Has that changed at all? the size I mean, reducing the minimum lot size, I mean, I don't necessarily, I don't call about that too much. Okay. You know, the guy's got a piece of property and if we can figure out a way to build his house on that piece of property. Oh yeah, I agree. You know. Okay, now the next one. I'm going to go back to the right now, 10, 20 the next one. 56.26. POS is point to meet heart. I'm going to be done this time and time again. I mean, Carl's code. I know there's a bunch of properties. But it's in this the one we're talking about changing. Well, yeah, I mean this one is something that we would look at. If we're moving the house forward on the lot, it's going to be further feet away. Right, exactly. Yeah, so that what I was going to say is that to me number three, I mean we've done it in the past. There's no reason why we don't do it again and we're talking about potentially changing it anyway. So, now we're down. You think of five foot difference on the sides is going to make it go from subdivision look in your words to no subdivision look? I personally, yeah, because across the street from my house is a subdivision that has five foot seven acts and it looks like the two weeks. Those are zero lot lines are zero lot lines those are zero lot lines but they're not actually zero they're five feet off the side they come yeah that's not what's your question yeah to me I think and especially when you start looking at it from a two story perspective where you got two towering tall houses actually take shower well the the one to the south is set back farther so it's not actually side by side. It's an advantage. And then his, he's talking about his garage. He's got, I think, a three or four foot stem wall going into his house, so it's his garage he's referring to. Yeah. Potentially, but we can cure all that with... Right. Now I don't remember one of those. If it hasn't happened now, it doesn't make a difference. It never crested the top of that. I have pictures of mine. I didn't bring them but during the storm, we live across the street. So I was out there during the storm at the peak and it never went over the top of that. Everyone over his wall either. So number four, the reality is the Cocina Walls already sitting there now. So number four is already there anyway. And it's been there for some time. So I'm worried about that. Do we need to add a fifth? How about splitting the difference on the 15 feet? That way I don't have to crunch my house into a 50-foot spot instead of a. What is the south side set back at that short corner? I don't have my reading glasses on me. Somebody blow up the survey. Where are we talking about? The south, what would be the southeast corner? That's the narrows part of that lot line. That's ten point That is the narrows point. That's the ten but okay Well, it's it's an irregular shape so the ten it's ten foot off of Joe's house His wall. Thank you. That's what I wanted to see He's got a big old guy. I know a guy. He's got to read this. I remember when he makes fun of me. It makes fun of myself every day. They helped. It wasn't served to the property to the south. How far is your north side setback? So you're 15. So what if we compromise here and say, and the real reason I'm saying it this way is because that's South line is the archaic, right? That's the trying so to speak. So the front corner of the house is 15, back corner is going to be 10. I think it's also important to note that by granting this variance, you are granting the right to split the property and then to subsequently allow for them to build another house on this new lot. the variance in and of itself which doesn't sound like board has a problem, but I just want the board to be aware of the bigger picture here, which is quite through this variance request. We are facilitating development on the river through the construction of a single family home. That right is quite a powerful right in and of itself, and it has a lot of benefits to that right. And so the request for additional variances. I think the fortune look at it was insurgent considering already giving the right to you've now created a riverfront block that is now then the soda So I just want to keep that out especially keep you in mind with some of the comp me policy that are So we have to be inside of that. But we have to be inside of that. I think the bigger thing is at some point we have to, I shouldn't say pushback, that's not the right word to use, but it's going to be more consistently enforcing the land development code. So and I give what Ryan's saying because I mean the reality is right now this isn't a buildable line. Right? Yeah. Right now it's just real estate. Third. So, you know, like I said, I mean for me, I like the side setback. My compromise was gonna be to hold the 15 feet on the north side setback. My compromise is there's going to be the hold, the 15 feet on the north side setback, only because he's got this weird line on the south side, and it's 15 feet at the front. So my compromise was going to be letting him have his 10 foot on the south, hold the 15 on the north, and I still kind of would like the house come forward west by the, to get it off the cocaine block. Any come up to the podium, right? Yeah, it will. It'll make that 10 be, that 10 will be like 12. And then the front front corner is gonna be like 15 or 17. So I personally think that's a good happy medium. I mean, I know it's probably not what you were hoping, but you know it. I was just hoping to get it reinstated, but if that's makes you happy that's fine with me. Five feet's not gonna kill me. Now you said something about the Cocina Rock, so you're gonna bring more Cocina Rock up? The big, big, big ones, four faux ones. Oh, gotcha. OK. Right on top of all that. Creating more of a retention from the dry side, which, by the way, there's hardly ever water in there anyway. Right. So I mean, how does everyone feel about that? Does that sound reasonable? It's not supposed to be So we try. We're holding the 15 on the north. No, it's our set. We'll bring in the house. Oh, we bring in the house. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. bringing the house. Oh, we bring in the house. Five feet. Five feet, Chris. I think so. I mean, so now we're adding a variance. Yeah. So we're taking away number one. Right. And then we're adding. Allowing of 35 front setback in Louis. 45 foot setback. 40? 40. 40. Right. Sorry, Bonnie. 40. Okay. We're creating number two. to We're allowing them to Basically what we're gonna do is we're gonna say we're holding We're gonna allow I know I'm trying to get it my head so that this motion is like six minutes long. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, please be clear. Do it 47 times. So all right. Let's do this. I'll make a motion to approve VA 2503 with the following conditions to allow a south side setback of 10 feet to add a variance for a 35 foot front setback in lieu of a 40 foot front setback and the remaining items two three and four as written. Second. I'll second. Mr. Duane. I agree with that. Mr. Duane. Yes, Mr. DeWane. Mr. DeWane. Yes. Mr. Alma Fattano. I'm going to say no. Mr. Hatcher. Yes. Is hevener. Yes. Mr. Andrew Covex. Yes. Chairman Kennedy. Yes. Okay. The next item on the agenda is the The next item on the agenda is the development services director's report. Thank you. So we have a number of projects going through the process here at the moment. We are working on the comprehensive plan update. We plan to have a rough draft by the end of this month out to the public for the goals, policies and objectives. We are still waiting staff is waiting on Senate Bill 180 on the CFEKET sign. Senate Bill 180 gets signed. We will have to put a pause on the comp plan and any land development code update and we will be repealing the more dors. What is this vote expected? We're waiting on the governor to sign a number of bills. He has a number that are outstanding, but they've all been passed by the House and Senate and Florida. So some of the ones that were tracking are that one Senate, but 180, which would not allow a comp plan or land development code updates that are more restrictive. We would not be allowed to do more Toriums. Plats are becoming administrative if that log gets signed. So preliminary and finalats would be an administrative process and longer would need to go to council Under law We also try to get rid of P and Z as well and I always had something else. No they were trying to get rid of CRAs They've kind of backed off on that one Increasing the time on planning review so they beat beat up on the building department enough. Now they're coming for the planning department. So they're tightening up the timelines for planning department on building permits now. So it's just an evolution. So last year, the building department had 10 days to get out, single-family home permits. Well, that's currently the law. And so we're meeting that, but just these time constraints are just going to require more staff. That's the bottom line is to get this stuff out. And of course, the caveat is they like to make you reimburse the permit fees if you don't meet the timeline. So something to just keep an eye out. Well, they're also slashing funding. Yeah. Has that plan started? Pardon? As a new senior planter. Yes, she has. Yeah. And she's getting her feet wet, getting exposed to all the projects at the city. News somewhere in the beach past during Park Innovation Center. So if you haven't looked at the Farpton Local Plan, take a look at it because the Farpton Local Plan basically outlined everything that is occurring now 30 years ago. So if you want to kind of see the road map for what is about to transpire, it was put in the county's comp plan about 30 years ago. So that's 23,000 units outside of I-95. You are should array for city council. So and I anticipate that the planning and zoning I'll be bringing to the planning and zoning board the first of flats probably in June, July for Deering Park. Okay. And that's all I have. Thank you very much. We'll send it bill two weeks.