Yes. All right. Low call. Stop. Here. Okay. No, like, Bojory, CBCU chat. Call from a CFP project manager for just a little bit of information. Jason Salier. Mark Blueyer. Remember, David Beto. Remember, this fire city council. Aaron Myers. Number. I'll say a more member. Our great interest. For on Joe DPW. We. Probably. Alright. We are a motion to adopt our agenda. So move. Second. I'll be right. I'm. Okay. Are there any comments or questions about last. Eighties minutes. I do I hear motion to adopt last meeting's minutes. Motion to adopt. Second. On there. Hi. Okay. Would you cancel the plan of mission liaison answer is definitely of joint. So. Hello. Hello, everybody. First of all, thanks again for all the time you've put in for us. I guess the big news this week is the anonymous approval of the budget for the next fiscal year. A couple of things based upon recommendations from this committee, additional money for repaving on $700,000. There was a proposal to save some money by removing one of the red light running cameras or quote pause that was rejected. Under the view that you stand totally in the highway safety major. Prior worry, this group as well as the community. A bunch of all of us don't include a $530,000 contingency for any shortcomings in revenue. We intended to cut more, we ended up cutting one set off tax rate. We didn't really want to do much more on view of the interior economics of the region. The sense wasn't we couldn't go much further. Instead we established a contingency in case on revenues drop even further. Continuency would be used for things like if you have a contract to do road work and revenue is going down rather than having to cancel on contract, this contingency would be available for continuation of government. Again, we hope that it will not be used and we can and turn this money back to the taxpayers, but when all the negative forecasting for the region and view of what the administration of Washington is doing, we felt that the responsible thing we do was to establish this contingency. There's also another contingency established on having 113,000 dollars that we cover extraordinary needs of our citizens. We did a similar thing during the pandemic. And so that would be available theoretically as well. So you can tell that the sense is that this is a rather, what you're gonna say, challenging, potentially very challenging, period of it or edery. And so we wanted to be as responsible as we could to try to get ahead of that. So that's why the contingencies were established. Some discussion will forward to additional thoughts from you all about the neighborhood traffic calming program. How it can be made more efficient. But it really was established for purposes of trying to make sure that whatever we did, the neighborhoods was to a large extent supportive. Talk more about data driven sort of top-down down approaches. So your views as this debate continues will be very important. Schools were fundamentally fully funded with a small reduction in their budget of $145,000 out of about $60 million budget. And that was done only after school board members were contacted and they felt that they could find that degree of savings. But there was strong view that we can preserve the quality of the schools and maintain the student-compute ratio. And the CIP is very heavily translational oriented in the future. That's part of my job with NBTA and NBTC to start a little bit of funding to help support that. So I'll be working very hard over the next few years to do that. We have, by the way, funded through NVTA and NVTC, the bike shiner, the Great Streets on Park Avenue, the eventual Washington Street work, and the work that supports the Western Development of the area of street and the community and that whole inner structure in the area of the street and the majority of that home air section area and some of the U.T. and the funding. So that's the report I had. I don't know how the paragraph arrives at. I think we're very concerned about the data we've seen in the region and we're trying to be responsive to that of course responsive to the citizens and responsive to the citizens groups like this one. Sorry, that's the report that I had. Regional, regional aid, NVTC, as we see the additional grant funding to pursue the next step with regard to the bus rapid transit. And I know the city is putting in place and it's working with natural transit on sort of light priority to make it more efficient for a transit vehicle to make a total of about seven, if you had Washington Street, a work that would encourage people to use the transit. Finally, at the regional level, another one issue between the city of New York funding. The established, reliable and dedicated funding source in the future, discussions are ongoing in Richmond and Apple and Washington. We're missing something really on the table at this point. But I expect money, and it was somewhere that would be more certainty about some options for us to talk about later and with the public in general. So that's kind of a quick summary of what I've been working on in sort of highlights in the past couple of weeks since you all met. And thanks again, you're input, I think really altered this point here, and has altered the thinking and the city council on this. It was certainly helped move public safety in particular, and I'm very safe and right at the top of the agenda. So thanks. Did anybody have questions for? I have just two cameras. You mentioned the total budget for the school budget that was reduced 140, about K, what's the top number. The total number of the schools was roughly 45, 48% of the total budget. So that's more than 60 million dollars. And so they're top negotiators. We're presenting a lot of now. Oh yeah. My daughter is not part of that. And are there safety things in that budget for the schools? You know, I was going to be dressed or holiest or anything. Yeah. Most of the time, you've got to take it. Yeah, nope, not be it tonight. Thank you. Yeah, good question. Let me get back to you. Just go up on that. You have the questions. Is the budget like available in like on a website? Yeah, that and so we're working like when I think you go on with the means, homepage, and it's like, I'm going to let in such a pleasure. Thank you. It's an awesome day. I'm going to turn to the next one. And I think that you a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. or whatever during any discussion. I've been watching the City Council and every time they talk about the budget and they're about that. Okay, you could only strengthen. It's good. You always get all the bonus. Well, it's better. All the. So, we don't have anything else for Councilman. Let's move on to public comments. You did it. We welcome a three minute public comment from any member of the public online or in person. We'll have a second public comment. Period. just, we've got the NPC projects. You may make your comment now or at that time, it's entirely up to you which you prefer. You don't have anybody who would like to make a comment. Oh, listen. Hi, Robert Bintillo, the channel that I'm Robert Bittillo, we live in Tendell, that hill we have. And so, you know, I'm one people who's been working on the traffic contact institution for that area. The other is Katie Wiles who's doing working work too. Thanks, Jennifer, I'll help with that. Getting that going. Yeah, so what said this all off with me on kind of a crusade was last June, I just thought I'd tell you how it all started. Last June within two weeks, there were two cars totaled on Hillwood by speeding drivers. The first was the more traumatic one because it threw a car up on the sidewalk. Well, my family had just been walking a few minutes earlier. Here's the accident report, which I'll end with in additional evidence. Have a near records. They estimated the car was going 65 and the time it hit the park. Obviously it had to be moving to throw it up on the sidewalk. I heard a long screech news. So who knows how fast it was going by the time it crossed you know, crossed the South Street and you know there have obviously been many attempts to contract with down on the wood over the years. There are challenges because of the thing in emergency routes. So, you know, regardless of those challenges, I really feel like, you know, I'm going to do all I can to push on this and see what we can come up with. And obviously there's speeding issues down the length, and I think there might even be another working group west of Cherry Street. And I see there's data from that area too. But my focus has been more on just trying to make it physically impossible for someone to build up this kind of speed, you know, a catastrophic well-speed coming down that hill from seven corners. Yeah, so I'll get any questions for me, but I have another meeting to lunch. I just go first. You sure mean? Yeah, if you don't mind I'm not giving that. I'm not sure if it's valid. No, thank you. Most of these things happen. They're there have been on periodically cars. It had often totaled off. And often it happens at night. The drivers were paired. And Hill was very dark and lighting is really bad. There are none of those three lights. And once, you know, there used to, even some of you might remember that before there were islands down the middle, it was a continuous turnling down the middle, which people used to pass you if you were doing speed limit. Either that or they would pass you in the parking lane. But with the islands in there, the road and the parking on both sides, the roadway is fairly narrow, there's not much margin for error. So if people come through here, they can't see that well. They're a little jumper, whatever, you know. But this one was in broad daylight. All right, thank you. My name is Jess A. More than I been a member of the CACT for about five years now, because I witnessed my son almost getting hit. I caught on West Marshall Street. And I've been pretty much obsessed with transportation safety ever since. I hear you and and I agree that we need to move our streets so that people cannot they don't have that capability. So I'm glad you're here I'm glad you're doing what you're doing and I'm pretty sure I speak for most of us. We're on your side and this will be an interesting case because so it is especially you know,, it's a high traffic and we'll see what we can do with the emergency route. I'd like to see, I'd like to see then writing about what if we have restrictions on that from staff. So nice meeting, thanks for coming. Thank you. Thank you. And you have a session. I'm open for it by any of you. Thanks for coming. Thank you. Thank you. And you can discuss the other. I hope you're fine. Thank you. I'm so glad to see you. Go ahead and thank you. Bye. Hi, I'm Katie Wiles. I live on Barry Street, which is not on Hillwood, but it's full of wine, black, shape, road. Next to it, and I kind of noticed, cars going extremely fast ever I have a five and a seven year old reuse, a hellwood. Every day we ride our bikes to work and school and I want my kids to be able to eventually have the independence to ride on their own. But I feel like at this time, the speed is just too much on hellwood avenue Avenue. And there's just not quite enough. It's almost like, you know, you have these little islands, but there's still a lot of space for people to like, really get up some good speed this morning. I saw a school bus not in a ball show, so you'd probably school bus, but a school bus like,ing down the road. And I think I really like being able to notice that it wasn't just, you know, it's all the time. I, we got a jog in August, right? You know, I'm walking this dog all the time. And I'm like, it's, you know, it's 7 a.m., it's at 9 p.m., it's all throughout the day and so it was kind of one of be here to say, you would like to see some action and some calming steps taken on Hillwood. For my understanding, we can't have like the speed bumps, but I've mentioned my family's super-fined biking. My husband and I both teach at the schools, my husband's the person I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I traffic coming first, but I also love the bike situation. Thank you. Thanks for being here. I also just don't know what is, and I know we're going into this, but just something to note that it's not just Monday through Friday, it's Saturdays and Sundays, and everybody goes to Larry Graves. Where I've been my Saturday morning, I'm watching soccer. So just the amount of families crossing who would and just the amount of cars coming down, it's not just a Monday through Friday. Yeah, problem. But on the, so we first, that's like that. We're gonna be discussing who would later in the agenda when I keep a contract. Sure. Like any other comment, we will be here next month to talk to this. We're down. We're just here to witness your effort. How you all do it. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, just about the common philosophy. Because as she mentioned, the streets are too wide and allow a buildup of speed. But for getting me, I forgot his name. So that the streets are too narrow and caused crashes. So what's the philosophy would have like this a lot between the two? I think it's an important thing to discuss. I'd like to hold it for the discussion on the work. I know, yes. But this is one of those, this is actually why we created the other comment grid because we get into it. It's a song that we have any other public comment? I think we can manage a question. Is it a bad answer? It's got a bit of a problem. Oh, okay. Well, it was a, um, the question has to do with next month, really. I thought I saw on your website, this group's website. A study that had been made about Hillwood, they're also involved great fall screen. Am I imagining that? There was a quotient on the danger quotient, a number assigned to Hillwood, number assigned great falls. I just wanted to know. So part of the neighborhood traffic calming, we do assign a prioritization and based on the data that's received. Thank you. So one is a bit of time. I was confused there because I'm like, those two don't use. And I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I think it will be clear once we go through the antecedent. All right. So we have the next on the agenda is discussion of our for cover October days before we get into September and October. We want to go virtual. I know we discussed being virtual for August. I would like to get a account to see how many people will actually be here on the date on August. I think it's the 13th. Because I may not. I am out of town. I can attend virtually. Well, I think we already decided to offer. So you're asking who will be able to let's end the virtual reality. If you don't know, it's fine, but there's a way that they won't be able to attend it on. Okay, so Stu and I'm a, we're determining which dates. I may be coming back that day and not coming. All right. We're doing pretty good. Still. But no. September and October. Do we think we should be having either either of those dates all virtual? The temper I will want to join virtual. That's fine. of the album. Sounds like we want to keep those in person. All right. One. Okay. You can go ahead. Um, you have any boss? A couple of dates. Yes. So some staffing stuff. Amanda, our new director. She is planning to come to June's meeting. Introduce herself and sort of. I guess you guys can ask whatever questions you have for. That was a close ride. Thanks a month. No update on the city engineer position, but we do have a, I guess the city has a full time employee transportation engineer starting in August. Follow up questions from last meeting. We have a little bit of discussion about the speed ring hours and their compatibility. Now we can use them interchangeably in the city and the sort of response I got is that we could, as long as they were the same brand manufacturer, which is not the case in the city and the sort of response I got is that we could as long as they are the same brand manufacturer which is not the case in the city. But the technician that works out of an operations is trying to figure out what brand we should move to and try to get our existing radar updated so that we can have that data available. So that's sort of a work in progress, but some of the cities, the desires. Smart cities, so I think we talked about this a little bit and I think some even also gone back and forth. So as it stands right now, the cameras are only recording video. And so every all the data that we get is just coming from those videos. They're not yet integrated into the signal itself, which means that a lot of that information about what the pedestrian signal is showing is not making its way into the data we see. It sounds like it's a pretty easy fix. It's just more equipment in connections between the cameras and the controller. So Reg is working on that just to see what level of effort it is, but I think it's something that'm never trying to get integrated. So that's that for me. What else we got? And then so we also had a discussion about South Least Street crosswalks. So I did some digging and it looks like the West Broad Street Multimoto project is upgrading a lot of the infrastructure on that side of the city. That intersection is one of them. So it'll have new pedestrian signals on all four corners. So right now, I think that project's in the right-away acquisition stage. And I think it's scheduled to be sent out for a bid in the end of this year. So it's a work of progress but it's you know it's going to be a address. Okay and because a lot of them I got to update from the city it said basically like a completion of 2027, which just seems obscenely in the dead. I don't know that seems very far in the distance because it was 2024 I think what I had done I think yeah I think that's the project itself is a bit bigger I think there's like five intersections and it's from southwest all the way to either anandill or jignia and so I think it's a it's a pretty big project. Most in charge of the design. Uh one of our consultants, I think it's VHB is the designer. We have the design in hand. It's on the website. I think it's the name of what's it called? Uh West the cost? What's the cost? What's the cost? What's the cost? What's the cost? What's the cost? What's the cost? What's the cost? What's the cost? What's the cost? What's the cost? What's the cost? What's the cost? What's the cost? What's the cost? What's the cost? is that we are getting new PCI data for the archaic make conditions, which we're anticipated to have at the end of next month. So I think for the translation dashboard, we'll have a new PCI data for you and in-chains. Thank you. You're all right, I'm there in touch with your next meeting. We're getting a vote elsewhere. E-T-Z. Oh, yes, that's everything I had to come up to get out, but with's no law who direct to me. Bob, I'm trying to get it out. I'll see you in a minute. Any questions? We might have a question. Yeah, if you would. So thank you both for talking about the data through this part city program. That was useful clarification. So is the understanding from red to the daddy is a capability that will be added. The coordination with signals. Yeah. Okay. That's great. Yeah. It is just more and more equipment and what's currently. Yeah. To get that. And then the other item I have, which is just kind of a one off thing. So the intersection of the light across from dominion, wine that is the garage and entrance for founders. At least once a week since our last meeting, I have seen someone almost rotten that light. And I think that the problem is that the line on the road is faded and there's no sign saying stop here on red. I mean, I saw someone actually run it but then multiple times people point way into the intersection and the impression I get is that they don't know where to stop. To the point where I'm pulling out, I've almost got hit twice. I mean it's surprisingly bad. I wouldn't have thought that it would be a problem, but there's clearly something wrong at that intersection That was what came with the garage entrance for founders that's right across from debuting It's yeah Yeah, I wasn't just to that like Mother's day. Yeah, we're going to So prime So is that something that the record response can paint that dang. I mean, I like the line is very fancy That's the the self-erdance to the hand Oh, you're not about to stop bar. I'm drawing heading west. Yeah. Yeah, yeah I'm one of things. There's a lot of fuse based on bra. It's about 10 yards from where the actual entrance to the stop on our on-road heading west. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One of the things that I think a lot of who's made this on-road? It's about 10 yards from where the actual entrance to the. Exactly. Well, and most people don't expect it at that point. Exactly. And I think there's confusion also about whether or not on a red you can turn into the garage. Because you're going right out there and you're also going all the way into the intersection to do it. Like I said, I ran and thought of it as a major concern until I'd seen that many folks actually run the light and not. You're also going all the way into the intersection to do it. Like I said, I, Ryan, thought of it as a major concern until I'd seen that many folks actually run the light and not know what they were doing. I mean, it's, yeah. I would think it was possible. I'm not lying. I'm not lying. I'm not lying. I'm not lying. I'm not lying. Also, I think, oh, science next stop here, because it is genuinely thankful we can use it. Also, I think people see that crosswalk and they think maybe that's where the line is. Yeah. Yeah. Do we need the police to tell us whether you can make a right there? Pretty far back I think. Just throw up a little that all right? Yeah, I agree. I'm certainly. Thank you. Just some magic. Oh, we don't. I don't. I would imagine probably because the entrance to Dominion isn't directly across from the entrance to founders. So there are a kind of the other side of the intersection. So Dominion is here and Founder is here. Align us probably back there to allow track. We've quarantined both, but guys are both of them because they're offset. Right. Yeah. There's a signal signal sign on the entrance. Yeah, but it's so close. It's actually Dominion's jewelry store. So last time it was in the jewelry store. Last man didn't, I also asked if like DPW rapid response could also paint a line on the on the other side like when you're exiting Founders' row going towards that crazy intersection. What's your... So question. And then the trail, Aaron, did you get that? I was gonna talk about this because I guess you guys have the intersections, MIMO going out. Yeah. So we did look at it and we made some changes. I guess what I haven't figured out yet for that particular driveway is the right away line is right behind the crosswalk on that side. So I don't know that our team can just go out and put the stop bar there. I think we're talking, we're talking, we're talking, we're the way she did it back. So yeah, I did. She asked a lot of nice questions. What? Why don't we talk about that? Yeah, sure. We're looking at all different pieces. But I kind of assumed that the stop line and the problems with the crosswalk are actually on their property. Any other questions? We talked about the BPI. Well, BPW. And specifically about BTTI, right? Because that's under the DPW. Yeah. Right. So if I can, I'm, I'm, I wanna say first of all, that I did watch the video of the City Council meeting. So I appreciate you sent that note around a couple of weeks ago suggesting because it was, you know, an hour or so talking about just transportation. I found it very informative. I appreciate that. And I'm coming to get some better understanding of where this whole VTDI, that's what it is, right? Project came from, but I'm curious on a high level. Mr. Snyder, where the funding for that come from? Funding for which? For the sole VTDI project, is that, is that, where the're in the funding company. The most broad screen wall upon roll is after one more time. I think we're going to have that with my smart city. Yeah, that was staff driven. Cindy Mester would know about that. She would be the case. Of course, she's living. So it's specific to false short city. Right? It's a Falls Church City, city project project. Oh my God. Okay. But I thought Virginia Tech was, I thought it was funded for four years from another source. I have VTTI. We're sticking to federal grant. But then there's a big part right? Falls Church is one of the cities that they were implementing. Yeah, I think that's it. The city might have driven, get it into the program. Yeah, right. Well, only yes, because one of the comments that the mayor made was that she walked some people from the Fairfax city through false church and they were sort of a god perhaps. You could say about all the resources that we have here in the city. So whoever responded over that, that's a 10 billion dollar grant from the... That was on that, John. I'm going to transfer it to that. That's the, yeah, god what they've done. That's all I'm going to say. That's the last of those, Greer. Thank you for that. You know, money to grant. It was a V.G V. Grant $10 million dollars. That's what I'm really. So actually speaking of the smart cities, I think I saw on, I don't know if this is you or David, I think I saw on the schedule for city council that was one of the meetings coming up. coming third was a discussion of the city, despite city and nothing. That's on. I got it on the agenda. That is Monday's. Yeah, Monday's is streets gave. So that's crosswalk sidewalk. Okay, second is smart cities program update of ETTIs resending on it, which STACC is invited to. So how was it right? All right. Any other questions on general BPW of India? not having to do with the founder for the West. As he out of itself. So I did ask for an update about the pedestrian getting struck at East Broad and North Cherry. And we talked about this possible. I don't know if there was a lead time for For pedestrians of that intersection Because that's something where we're looking to Yeah, so I guess I guess was Sorry, is that something you also brought up when Asian was here before too? Yes, I'm just looking at last month. Yes, it's been brought up for a while as my friends, my mother got hit and attended one of those meetings virtually. They talk about her injuries. It's probably been that nine months a year ago or whatever. It's been brought up several times. We're we talked about it last month. So I guess I did look into, I guess I asked Renee and Hey, Jen, who were both here back then. One of our consultants did a study, and I guess they were putting back that it was, timing's okay. So there was no action taken in order like, I guess there was nothing pending about LCI. It's far as I'm aware. Stimming from like this broad and cherry. Thank you. That's a problem in a section on that concern today,. You can. That would be excellent. In your feedback that. People don't think it's the right time for the process. It's the need. We keep hearing about. So I guess the question won't be, can we re-look at that? Yeah, and or in adding a couple extra seconds or something is that really going to mess everything up like can we can we here further on the side of caution for pedestrians. What else? I'll follow up with more specifically with LPI. The verse is what we're going to be doing. caution for pedestrians. Now, I'll follow up with more specifically with LPI versus what we've done in the past. Because we're kind of less concerned, than I think about. We're even sure that timing is correct. So people here get every light. Someone's not getting the light. So it's people there. We want to move on to the ADA transition place. Thank you. You can call us your name. What do you give us? Our major. Thank you. Our one to the next. It's on. Nice to meet you. It's a good subject. Of course. If somebody wanted to dial in. We don't want to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. All right. So, and the project manager for the aid transition plans, project for the city and the purpose of the project is we're doing the aid compliance service evaluations. 88 implies procedure development and also the public outreach reports and transition plan development. We have. ADA implies procedure development and also the public average reports and transition plan development. We have a Sydney master who is the ADA coordinator for the entire program. And for the serve evaluation we have the consulting to do the facilities assessment, which include 10 general government buildings with 12 parts, 32 signal license sections, and 39 module, 12 sidewall corridors within the city. And for the current status of the project, is we have the 30% track report finalized. The APA lies on finished reviewing it. And we got back with the consultant or the comments that we had. We are working on the survey, have it translated, and we'll pass it on the website for the public to have some input on it, hopefully by the end of this week, that next week. Yes, I think that's pretty much it for the project. So if you have any questions. What is your report saying about these places? So I think we're mostly focused on the 39 miles of sidewalk. What is the report saying or like what is it coming up with solutions? Yes, we identified the problems that we have within the cities and we the consultants also have recommendations for those consensus one and that's going to be from the public to see just yeah, that we finish the like finalized everything. I'm sorry are you are you a post-re外 you're city staff person? Yes. And with PDA, VPW. Mr. General, a question on the time frame. We expect to finalize everything by, I say true life. What's the turnaround for comments on the 30% but it was a set of a lot of times we 30% is final. About a month because it's a long report like we have a lot of information to reveal, especially like we have problem basically in every viewings, every miles of sidewalks and a lot. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. You're in the bottom of the line. Why would it be great? It's 39, the total miles of sidewalks in the city of Dredna. It's the intention. This is a load of a map and you survey of all of our sidewalks just as kind of an outshooter. Not sure if one of the last had a clean, you know, inventory of our sidewalks and it sounds like this might be in co-operator we have just because we have to. Also the price that we have 32 signalized intersections, because we have that in. It's like 34 maybe maybe in sections because on on this list we only have 12 parts but we currently have 14 I believe because the the scope of the world was then be part of two additional parts was And so we only have 12 on the list. Did the project and the work so far actually include a survey or remesure of those sidewalk and a recount of the lighted intersections? In other words, what do you need to do today? Did some of Goalongos grab the data from the database that says 39 miles or did someone go out and measure it all again? Was it all re-measured? I think they can sort of do the measurement in solving every measure. Yes, all we can. And. What is the, I guess, most common cause of like noncompliance as it just like. That means that it's like a building philosophy that needs to be altered. It's basically everything, especially with the, I think it was talking about sidewalk. It would be the worker sidewalk and the social because we can, we can't play utility both within that sidewalk. So it's just mainly the sidewalk is not revised not in the class. I see. On the ramps, which is too steep because of the constraint of the right way that we have at the corner. So we have, we did make it too steep for the idea complex. That makes sense. And before like having something blocking the sidewalk, like a poll or like a telecommunications poll, were they in compliance before that or were they built out of compliance? I think we didn't... When it's own, I think we didn't... When it's... I think we didn't have the ADA compliance perspective to look at when we have a build before. I think we did bring the applying. Yeah, we tried with the new construction. I was just very sensitive to you. Other than the way-fired. The lady by the ceiling to think of in the last few years, there was a significant impact to the news times say like city hall this way and oh yeah some of those guys we find this stuff right in the sidewalk which was not the same stuff but most of the structures in the sidewalks they've been long time. Yeah. Almost like that. Oh, stanza. So we didn't just look into it. They didn't go to the hall. But they didn't put the button. Yeah. And what was the impact of the study? Yeah, what's going to be the plan once you have the study? What's the? so late what's the plan after? What's going to get done with this? Uh, that's out of my knowledge. I mean, we have, when we have to come up with a budget and everything, um, to, um, have it done. But we'll be a prioritization, recommendation as part of the... Yes. Okay. So this is critical of this one. You get to. So I'm sorry. The study is going to show what the problems are. I said also should show up the recommended record. This is a solution of practice. 30% plan include. Up to my married prioritization or is that going to be covered later? Yeah, they have the preliminary prioritization. But then our staff input in it, it's just like based on the the consultant's experience, we will have a staff will have discussion to come up with like our CD's prioritization for that report as well. Probably really do. Most of the comments, because I've watched things in different languages. And I know the ADA was an unfund mandate. How swift those compliance have to be either completed or initiated without risking like funding. Funding? Funding? Funding? Funding? Funding? Funding? Funding? Funding? Funding? Funding? Funding? Funding? Funding? Funding't give a principle, I mean to apply them. They simply threaten to take away other government provided funding if they don't. I hear you then. How swiftly does ADA compliance have to be either reached or begun to be with them like the allowed standards? I would like to point out that we've been penalized for the existing conditions. Yes. You know, I don't think I have the insubitant. I'm not sure, I've never really heard of it. I haven't heard of it. I think it's around the ADA, which penalizes for a dog fight for the existing conditions. It's generally, as a criteria, getting a fun day, everything has to meet that standard. So, you know, it's construction. Yeah. Yeah. You have to build it correctly. That would make sense. Yeah, there's other lives. Where are you back up? But what do you tell the utility polls? Most of those are going to be open, fallen by the utilities rather than by the city, right? And so, they're just a little... Who is that utility? Well you generally express when asked that, but. I don't know. How does one end? You see the truth. There's one we need to let you call from a sidewalk without impacting utilities. Where do you put it? You're going to have that. Well, I'm going to tell them about it. And see the desirable. Yeah. But you should really. In this head, that sounds. This is actually been, this was investigated as part of the greening of Lincoln. Even moving utility poll, if you think, they don't like to do it on their schedule. And it's thousands, even though charge a thousands of dollars, partially because once they move the pole, then they have to have three or four different utilities come in and move the wires. Each utility has to move their own wires. It's expensive and they charge back everything. But I would have liked to have seen and reading a blink-and-moving to a three-pause. And let's just move to sidewalk over more. I will say, greening of Lincoln sidewalks. Right there, the wrong way of fully incomprehensible answer. I don't think we need a seventh foot sidewalk there. That's. And side of seven feet I can go to the park. Five, great. Along the way to five, we can go. So again, five to seven. Well, I'm sure you can feel like you're happy to see that change. Yeah. Yeah, the sidewalk on Lincoln has serious problems. The sidewalk is actually fairly easy for those to do it east of Great Falls because at center lane is going away. All of that real estate, just usually the problem getting used all the way inside by Silox. I'll let you know if the recommended solution for the study for the polls is to move the polls or to rounds, I'll walk around the polls. Do you know, I think it has to be, they have recommendation, but like the if we have the funding, yeah, it will like right away acquisition, the cost of construction, everything has to depend on. Even with the recommendation and we don't have the budget part, it's not the I don't know. Let's go back to money. Did we have any other questions? Well, last one is we're going to get a notification on that. We're going to cancel the report. Jan and all of you. I have a big request for that posted. I'll speak for everybody and say, we all want to meet it. Anything else for this cup? All right, move on to NTC. All of our public comment people have left. In person, are there any public comment online? I do not see anyone online. All right. I'm going to start with the NTC update for May of 2025. Starting off, we have Greenway Downs, Updates here, I'll pass start, and do a quick overview as reminder, beginning of March B dot, approve the final design plans and staff received the operation to advertise from B dot at end of April. And currently the invitation for bid is posted on the city website. And the anticipation timeframe for that is for that contract to be awarded this summer with construction to begin the fall and will be wrapped up by winter spring. You some wind, Steve. You're starting to wash the siftics since we're getting close every month. Still not. I already have like this discipline last few dates here, but as it gets closer, we'll receive when the date the contract is awarded. And VDOT has anticipated a very long time for air for construction. As since this project is mostly installation of speed homes that can go a little bit faster, flip-staff thinking. So hopefully by winter, the draft of stuff won't have to be carried over into the spring. I actually have the project manager put it in. Oh right yeah. Yes sir. If you have any questions, yeah I can. I've been so long. I think this is because like we don't know. Yeah. So within a year, finally, it looks like a year to now, it'll probably wrap up. The staff planning on communicating with the residents, specifically, you know, those who are having the speed homes we put right in front of their property or the folks that live on the intersections that are getting re-designed, you know, if there's plans to communicate with those residents, like specifically, like, okay. I know it will depend on when the contractor comes in on this. It's been as awarded and all that, but I'm hoping that that's kind of part of a plan to make sure that folks know what is going on, you know, right in primary property. So, I think during the declining stage, Karen, who was the project manager for this one during the planning stage. She did the public outreach to get the approval from the residents. So I'm not sure. We ended up we planned to do another public outreach. Now just me like like hey next week on Monday, we're going to be doing this in front of your property that kind of that kind of community. So like yes everybody knows it's coming. I just mean as far as I'm talking about driveways because we'll be able to get out of working. Well also the that we're going to do is some markup of where things we're going to happen and those of all All of the parts that are long gone. So there's an a priori. That's, I mean mean like my daughter thinks there's one right in front of her house, but I don't know maybe plan it doesn't have it going in there. You go somewhere else. isn't it less than learned from the project on me that happened Lee and then the on the other side on South Oak Street like it was like the two-road project as Rammer hanging out towards that there were still people that didn't know what was happening and you know we're like blindsided and then they put in that enormous, enormous, like concrete thing that we put in for that one person's house. And anyway, communication with residences, important ones. So I think I would ask that yes, like, the civics get put out especially because, yeah, things can do slightly here and there. I know Sarah's house was still on a construction when they were putting a speed hump in by her house and they had asked, did you ask or if somebody else asked like, hey, could we not do the speed hump until after our construction is done? Cause there's like a lot of stuff going on, but then there, it happened anyway. And when my heat can build, I did it. We weren't really involved because we didn't, it was called a main, but must have run it over here for money. But I don't think. The only question I have is because the outreach didn't happen a while ago. There were ways to check if any of the homes that this pin helps our front out, or maybe you see, you get specifically impacted, have changed ownership. Because the new owners might not be aware of what happened. Right, yeah, for Bargol Silvallar, it's the same one or not, they should be communicated with. Yeah. I remember I think a couple of months ago when the Found Designs were approved, I called at least the homeowners and you're like the intersections where they're getting those be-works. It's a pretty big current project. They all are in the group. I don't know we've confirmed that the the shift is changed. It wasn't the speed on the street. They're on the city website. It should be pretty good to. Yeah. Perfect. Wrong. Except we have Nolan Street. Exciting news for this project. See if I get the most recent update here. The neighborhood vote was conducted and the past, I guess April, May, staff, mainly, brought, went out and conducted additional analysis confirming the placement of those two speed homes and the irrigate serons from residents on site distance. Make sure that with the hill and no one you can see the speed homes and signs. And that was confirmed that it would be able to be seen by ongoing traffic, nation and pros and issue. So staff is moving forward, with installing those speed humps at the proposed locations and the email to all the residents and the letter of the vote results was sent out today. So it was also a confirmation that the city had right away from the properties that would have signage in it. That was a major concern for the history. I was almost sort of passed by, it was 84%. Yeah. I understand there is somebody on no one's not happy. I've been reaching out to different people. How was that? You can address? Um, um, staff went out and board met on the street the street, Mayor Hardy attended as well. I believe Tara, Ron, Renee, myself, and Carrie, we're at least all there, and walked through him and his neighbor across the street, which I'm liking my name, but they would both have signage in their front yards. And that's when they brought up the concerns about the site distance issues. So that was something that was back and concerned. But a lot of it was part of going back to neighborhood vote if the city has the right way the vote goes in favor, especially at 84%. If it was closer to the side of 51%, it's really close to both, that it's a little more uncertain. If we move forward or not, with 84% in the neighborhood and the major push, there's no sidewalk on the street too, let's consider. Down to Southwest Street. As the update here, as you know back in February, the city decided that up to two speed homes could be installed on Southwest Street. And then back in April, staff provided an update changing speed cushions instead to look at providing an easier way for emergency vehicles to navigate Southwest. And those have been sent over to the working group. We're currently receiving feedback and hoping that we can move forward for neighborhood vote. What's the answer to this? It's been over. It's just one long one as good cushion is like small. It makes us like gaps and it writes so that the emergency vehicles basically drive without further that. Yeah. See, this was not great. Um, so, God, what is this closest? So, speak questions, like from that actually concrete. This is a kind of show is where, like, I watch area goes like fire tracks can have both tires on the background versus cars. I'm just a speaker. Thank you. Any questions? I'd like to do it one time. I'll answer it. I'll answer it one time. I'll answer it one time. I'll answer it one time. Yeah. And that's between Harper good one tire for the draft. Yeah. Yeah. And that's between Parker and the same line. Parker. I guess the same line is Abbott. I can't right where it cuts through. There's to hop in or even one in the baddest. Yeah, the location of the speed humps. So the go between the wrong window. Because the study area is from Abbott to Parker. And the two will go in. Who's in Poplar? I'm at Madison, right? So, right here in Madison, and I believe Poplar, they are. Go ahead. I see. I guess. I guess that cast one. That was still off because of Cyclance. That's the one I think is a spell. The spell goes straight to the track. Copy entity. Well that was, there's another discussion, there's another discussion forward, well, with calming confiower. This is that portion of West. They were talking about putting in the hog signal and power, but it was massed by that hill. Well, I said, I'm not an Olympic player, but a crosswalk or whatever it was. And pedestrian power, I learned, it was the side blind issue. Right. And now on top of that, there's a RFBs of being installed at the crosswalk by Poplar and then there'll be a new crosswalk at NASA. And those speed relishings have been placed. The RFBs, so the rectangular rapid flashing begins that the pedestrians hit a flash that they cross. That's the timeline for a lot. I think someone who's group I think fall. Beacons are installed. Crosswalks are installed. Once we decide on the crosswalk or the speed cushions, probably in the fall. Same for no one. Yeah, probably. Yeah. It's on the spot. I think it's still a little bit way off the million energy. What can I think? You know why? The question I'm going to see. Right. Move on to'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I believe those are coming in soon. I know at least for the radar speed displays, they've taken longer to ship to the contractor to be installing them. I believe those are coming in soon. I know at least for the radar speed displays, they've taken longer to ship the contractor to be installing them. That's a high visibility crosswalk. Those are just like the whiteboard separated, so like standard crosswalk. Right now it just has, I don't think it has any more things. It just is a residential, you know, marked, last one. That was something staff noticed we went out there. So I was pretty easy thing to put in to a cost one. I'll pose a question. Is the radar place related? Is that, you know if that's terror-related? The question? How is it going to happen on them? All right. The contact are as I said. Yeah. Why? When shocking. Those have been the order of those before. materials. And our street. So yes, this has been the same update at least last time. The way the Newarky Working Group to attend the CACT meeting, to further discuss their request for heavy solutions and speed hops on the tower. So this is the second meeting that they said they would be attending? Right. Actually, I ran into him today and he said he wasn't able to attend, but I'll see if he didn't attend to you. I wasn't waiting on here is is this holding things up because I'm not the mind that it's had two opportunities to come. I have like one of the complaints about it and you see this things take so long and it's but like this it's like why should we should be going to go with it. Yeah, the one pickup and that is that staff can't do anything until the neighborhood working group achieve consensus on a solution. So if they had consensus on the proposed light solutions, those could be installed. But now that working group is advocating for speed hubs. They have to come back to CACT and change that recommendation. So there are plans to come and talk to us and change our minds about heavy solutions. Does it have to be that one individual or is somebody else from their working group? So anyone from the working group, did they know that? That if this job, I can't attend it, just somebody else. Yes, I only have the contact information for the main block act and you're having to talking with, I believe he is the only one who attended the neighborhood. That last working group is you. Right. Working group is just a group. You can hear some working group. Okay. I understand. I'm feeling like we should just say go forward. Yeah. Because it's given two opportunities to come and feel like that's a reasonable. they have a busy day of the writing. Is it customary? Can we instead say, you know, you're gonna tend the dream meeting and then we have to move forward. I hate to move forward without them. I don't know. How do I not understand? Understanding that life is busy and everybody is busy and this is... Letting the dog in need to let it real on in this campus. Yeah, keep going. His written comment is that he's advocating for speed bumps. That's what I've received from email. He gives the justification of... There are several things that came up in the meeting, just from safety being a big one. I believe he's talking to his neighbors too, so it's not just they just haven't attended a public meeting. It's a sure. This is really wide and the city doesn't seem to want to consider going like a parking lane on the side with the cemetery, which would narrow the dining path, not a lot of cars parked there. So it's just this big open road. Oh, we were there. It's like solution. Yeah. Hosele that was brought to it. It's only going to be the intersection of them, which where was that? There's The whole project on earth. And it was the sticking point was, I don't think it's going to work. And therefore, I want a heavy solution. One person, one individual, and the data be damned. And I'm agnostic to it. But if you're that passionate about a heavy solution, you've had 60 days to counter what a year long project proposed. At some point, we got to move on. Yeah, no, no, I agree. So chronologically, he was here in December for public comment when we were considering not moving forward in light solutions at all, because that was the recommendation. I think we all pushed based on his testimony when he shared that we explore light solutions. That was how I became to the current process. And I would tend to agree that understanding that we helped push for the late solutions we considered, if that's the recommendation, I would agree that we've given pretty ample time to respond to the solution. That would be my take. So is that 10, that's an in front of 1014 bow and 10 13 and then 10 10. The property first. Chokers. She's a new term effort. Right. I'm sorry. Right. Spirit. So Chokers that tune to for us to make up. This film's going to come out that far. I think though we were making 10 feet. I'm like to narrow it more, but I think the direction was to is just getting into it. And that they're okay. I mean, this is really the stupidity that we have to do. You know, these are the things, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really you something. It's like, you're showing me a license. That's what you should be in. That's what you're saying. You're going to be in a license. I'm going to tell you something. I hear only some similar giving them like another chance. But they had written it up because I think we should move forward. I mean, when you put it, June would be six months after he's been there. That's there. and if we say 60 days and they've had 60 days and I think no for me it's not guys know we weren't gonna move forward because at all I would like to if people come comfortable voting on whether you should tell I think you got to move forward with life. I was a recommendation by CDCT, but the neighborhood working group has to accept the solutions for us. So they're going to be called, what do you say? Yes, they can keep stillings down to their vat. How do you solution? I don't know, I'm not talking to you. That's one of the neighborhoods that said they don't accept the light solutions, they want heavy solutions. So I guess it's back to our court to give you feedback, give the staff feedback on whether or not this is where doing for heavy solutions. It's so yes. I'm not sure about that. That has to be robust. Dropsci in books says that the neighborhood of work is a arrest. Well, I don't know what it is addressed. I mean, this is one of those changes. It's just that that's my guess on how to improve and see one of which is to make it CACT more of a appeal, a pellet function so that if they don't like the light solutions, they can cover an appeal, but in the meantime, you gotta move forward. Right, and- But it sounds like right now, it's like- It's a bit intense. Yeah, right now it sounds like the working group is essentially a pocket meal on it. Well, they're the ones that brought them up from first place. So, yeah, it's a ground up program. Can group teams feed a lot of heavy lifting? So, what is one guy? What is an except for Hans? A lot. Does he have a next step? So his next step is to officially ask CACT to consider heavy solutions. CACT can say no. And then that will bounce back to the working group. It would be like, okay, only do light solutions. Which ones do we like? We want to request something different. They still have room in the network of staff. Oh, so what does it, what does it do have to say neighborhood vote? There's no neighborhood vote, plus, so only if there was a speed hump, there'd be neighborhood vote. There's no neighborhood vote, so who's late solutions. So what his do out during the working group meeting was to go back when we when I laid out for him, the impact of a heavy solution, specifically what we were encountering with the signage being in someone's yard and stalling an entire heavy solutions project. To be sure, because he was saying light solutions may not be acceptable to the neighbors because they're going to have this stuff from their house. That's when we talked about the signs. He was going to go back talk to the neighbors that would be impacted by every solution and say would you be okay with signs in your yard? Has he did he communicate that he's done that? So again that goes again, that goes back to, this was 16 days ago, almost, here's your do out, talk to the eight neighbors that live on that road and come back and present it to us so that we can reconsider with no additional, you know, a day go to research. Sure, we reach out and give them a deadline? Yeah, but even if he goes to the deadline, the case they mean it's well, we have a ability to suspend the case. I'm pretty sure, so saying that this time I say have been at one point, can we say that the working group has rejected the solution proposed. I thought about why I can't we give them more time? I'm not done pretty like 200 doors for the neighborhood for the Greenway Downs thing. Like it is a lot of work. This guy has much of a case. He doesn't have as many houses, but it's on him. Like it was brought up by him and it's gotta be like the next step has gotta be by them. Like I don't see what the problem is with staff has done their work, they're not turning their wheels on it anymore. We're turning our wheels on it, but it's in their part right now, and I'm okay with that. I don't think we need to just say like, throw it out. And I know people like to complain about all the process is so long, well, it's far with the reason that it's long. And it's not perfect because you have citizens and residents that are not on staff, not in pay. This is something that they're doing in their spare time that everybody has none of. So I don't think it's a problem with just leaving it out there, but that's my opinion. question, is anything addressed in the staff solutions of the intersection with West? Because I know the guys on the corner. Is there any, I mean, I think it and we are a painted bum bow with with Lexi post on that corner would also be something to help with cars like curing like around the curve either coming onto west or off of west. That's just something else I think that would be something good to consider. That was actually what's going on. Proposed solution. There was a figure was about that. Yeah, so I'm happy. Right at the end, but we have done a bottom-up of the walk during the three entr entrance to the cemetery. They didn't want to impact. Thank you. But I guess again, now, what is the cost difference between heavy solutions and light solutions? I know we talked in significant. Yeah. because you're talking more in cloudry. It's a good question. I think for like, whenever we talk about revisions, but to me, I think heavy solutions is pretty much going to be permanent infrastructure and speed bumps. So for example, even like these chokers, we're doing those in FlexPost, but if we did that in concrete, that'd probably be a heavy solution. The thing we never talked about that I would like to seriously use more is those heart, the centerline heartening bumps, which I don't know whether how much that would help help here but in my mind that's still followed by solution categories because if that fills, take them up. I'm proposed as an alternative for us. Yeah, on the share we have those proposals just to see how it works because we hadn't done it before but yeah I've seen them around and see you in other places I think they are kind of like on especially your bigger intersections because then people and then turn tighter in the seconds slow but um again I guess what bothers me is if if this isn't sexual you. But again, I guess what bothers me is if this isn't essentially, but back in the way this project is on hold awaiting feedback from the working group. And that's what we should set. And when the feedback from the working group is received, it would unfold. So we're basically saying it's in this court. That's not just, we're saying that's the status that we're acting. Okay, it's in the court. We're saying that's the status that's the status. I don't think it is. We are, I agree. They're not to do what? We have to get back and make it. Yeah, I mean, it's the one that made the request. That's kind of. If you're not, if they're not accepting the light solutions, we can't report with those. We've not been talking about the heavy solutions. We can't report those. And can. And project without them rejecting everything. So we're basically on hold awaiting it. Then essentially where we are, if we should say that. You know, I'm just about to. So the door's open. That's nice. No, not out of the fire. I thought that was a second. Let's take that kind of envelope. Oh, yeah. Put it back in your advice. First, that's a sound like a... It's really not to devote on anything. We're essentially... There's nothing to do with selfless. Let's find out more time on this one. Yeah, I think we're on how we build that body do you represent? I just need to serve as a doctor. Chair, the human trait, the perfect traffic and the convoy to have to be addressed. This is one of the reasons we need to work. There's a handbook that this group of CST helps. That's great. And then staff possibly did. And council recently has been raising questions about how effective this program is. And it's a lot of work. And staff, and then my name, all you need to take forever and we don't put it on too many of them to just always play wondering if it's interesting. The question of the fabric is, I appreciate them a lot, so the age problem. Yes, the problem is, it's a best thing that are, that are solution. Maybe I could agenda item as something to have a discussion about what this group would want it to look like. Pretty neat, Yeah. How's that? Oh, we're happening. Side thoughts. I have to talk about that. Probably dry out. All right. I'll play Drive the Hill update for this is that it's not provided a vice set for those solutions. That was sent over to the New York Working Group last week. And then we're just waiting on the New York Working Group to send feedback and go to you got in several responses that have been helpful to our way. You see if they have consensus or if they want certain items added or removed from the set of solutions there. Okay. And very sure, Abno. One quick question. Now we're working group. The learning group accepts the solutions that you sent over. Will this get implemented in kind of the same time when time frame and screen White House? I think it's only like solution.. These are light solutions. So typically a lot faster, or you weren't looking at anything like greater speed displays. You weren't worried about necessary long shipment times. This was looking at curve extensions of FlexiCo's and then getting markings for signage. So we probably do it in the same time. Yeah, because this was before. Yeah, they weren't originally. Originally we wanted to be included in Greenway down. So it's a two-part long on that. We'll be inseparably spending proper. It just fast. Yeah, it would be great. All right, we've got a Cheryl again waiting for aneworker working group to provide responses and the revised site. We received a fee awaiting on a few more and opening again in touch with the blockcaptain to confirm before moving forward, but this one also looks promising. There was a revision here to include two speed homes on share instead of just one of those. What was the plan for the corner? The curb? Yeah. I think the moving parking, that was part of something I, uh, some of me that worked at Virginia. No, I don't know. The curve. Oh. The. For restricted some parking for, for business. He was only like a handful. I just don't. I just don't. I just don't. I just don't. I just don't. on Pennsylvania. I can't be without a curb like that. Yeah, in the women's area, this is tight. And for East Columbia Street, there was a working group meeting at the end of the group rule. This was looking at potential light or heavy solutions. And the working group was in favor of the proposed radar speed displays to go up. And they wanted to see if there was some repositioning you can do of the proposed location, I believe, heading eastbound. So staff currently are viewing that, and they're hoping to review and provide a set for those solutions based on their feedback during the meeting. I believe around eight to nine members attended. Well, it seems to me that there's also a lot of concern at the intersection of East Columbia and of them. Last on this list of active cases, there's residential permit parking zone three. Update for this is that staff have met internally and formed a neighborhood that they will plan on conducting the baseline parking counts, which were collected this month by Jeff Sykes in planning and they're going to revisit the case in June. One scroungers row two is more heavily occupied and they have those baseline counts in this month as you compare to new data and seeing where those straight parking concerns are. Where is it? Is that a farmer's road to on the broad west. The west? I feel like the neighborhood behind us. And so it's the, um, southwest, uh, all the, the, the sobs are, it's about the same. He's moving next year. So, well, it's already working long that that's the part. The first question he's going to be permanent permanent parking signs that would go in. And each asshole would need to get a sticker to go there. Okay. parking, parking, stitch, park and zone, permits versus city stickers. There's just making a restricted to city residents. I believe this is just the zone three stickers. What's the criteria between those two. I believe it's a normal city sticker and then if you're in a specific zone, you would have that zone sticker that allows you to park. So what is our role in the use of zone restriction? especially right now, none. And technically not part of our charter, but I would like to see parking in part of the charter but I would like to see parking Part of the CACI's charter just because it makes sense Okay So have book yard there's that thing that we can do here other than other than voice voice I for one I'll voice my opinion. I don't favor zones. I think the streets are owned by the citizen falls true city. And to me, a sticker is fine. You want to restrict it to city residents, people that have paid here. They're really good to ask. I'm down with that. But otherwise, I don't think people all on the streets in front of their house. That seems somewhat superfluous now to restrict it to city residents, not many people are part of them, not even a resident. That's what I would like to know with this study is when they look at see who is coming in, which will be talking to me. What's going in there? Are we seeing the parking be taken up by city residents or are we seeing a city taken up by outside the city retail shops? That is a big shot. And I think that's a critical piece of information. I'm actually with you I would like to see the city stickers game value. And the parking is one of those waves. It's like, it's like I'd like to see us put an R5 each at that sensor in the sticker so that you go into a parking garage and it senses it to get an hour free or whatever. But in the meantime, I'm worried that management of all of these different zones and permits takes up a lot of staff time and we're already managing stickers and you got to enforce it. clothes dealt with enforcement. I'm saying if you zone it and you got enforcement, the next little bit of force getting around the pause will and I'm not convinced that city residents are necessarily the biggest big problem there. Let's face it, you may be from outside of the home, hopefully for a bottle, item, for some of these areas. So do we provide feedback to the MPW or the management? I will pass it on a go back to review. The neighborhood says there will be more public engagement neighborhood and getting their feedback once parking can. But what I'm understanding is there's already some survey that was stuff. Some letters were sent out or how was that? So, in this, it says there is a letter postcards now to all the residents in the study area that would be zone three. And then the feedback we got from them, so they wanted to work with your steps. So you will be talking about that space, like target and talent town. I've been asked what's their position? I actually have a position. I get the leader like how many they don't want them in. Some say too far of that area. That's being counted. That's being counted. Okay. I'm getting the public. I would buy that. Well then they can check it. Oh, this person lives on the city. It does not have a sticker. But why do they want to take one of my? I think you have to charge public safety aids for opposing zone flows. You can check it out. Oh, this person lives on the city. It does have a sticker. But what's the thing? One of my the chart, but public safety aids, like proposing zone, a flow is exactly what I'm saying. I think you're a certain official. I think that will take this to be one of the kind of my building is. I'm cheating. Probably for grass, please, for getting skills. The reason I'm asking about the zoning is it's bigger than just the regional, just the vocal concern. And so the fact that the only people locally were asked the question, you're going to get a response from people that live in the neighborhood rather than response from the people, from everybody who lives here. And just to talk a little bit about demographics, more than 50% of the people living in the city actually live in apartments, right? So they're not living in these single family family residences. So if you're all, if presumably that's who is asked, people who live on these streets, it's not a representative survey of the people who have been foster so I would like to see how come I was asked that question after mine didn't get my input. Can you take all that ad I did send the sender. I will port it. Yeah I I'll communicate. It usually falls on the planning to conduct a lot of relief of permit parking cases that usually goes to Jeff's sites. So he's the one out there doing the survey counts, hoping and all that. But typically, for cases like this, they're treated like NTC in a way. That's why those updates included under here. Because it starts bottom up, so it starts from request from resident asking for permit parking. Staff books at it, but it's more of like a administrative recommendation versus aint to your recommendation. That point. Well, I... So, founders won the Grove Street, all founders won pass per minute. I believe that's a zone two. For the same reason. Right. So, there's precedents in the panel. I don't know how it would have been broadcast before my my time. Well, that will be, we don't know what the letter will be because the letter's not open. I think that was when Droga Fears is the card move to Twitter. Peter opens. When is it the Hitchhaw man? Well, we're going to talk later. I know about Christian whole Lord. The way that things are going to lead her in opening is a July. So I stopped opening in June or I don't think so. I was going to stop there. What's supposed to be that? The game for them. I know I. So they went to the big event. I can't just. They even know how to stop others. And they have a great event. Oh, they're like, totally ready to go. Watch the mic. You go to salt building. Somebody screwed up your order. It's essentially a restaurant. I don't know. I just don't know. They're. You got to. I just don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. When does the software that managed like, hey, I think you're trying to interest it. Even if it's about that, I know it's good. I thought it's not. Sorry, sorry. Sorry, the topic of ring is in June. Yeah, been on you a lot. Let's be praying on Easter. Right. And that's here. level. So it's supposed to be, it's the name of it. I mean, house. It was supposed to be swing. And next watching. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching. cases and I will pull up those panels now. Don't leave anyone on. I would propose that we kind of talk. Both Hillwood cases and I will pull up those demos now. Don't leave anyone on. I would propose that we kind of talk about these together. I agree with that. I can bring up both memos of data so we've been reviewed by the committee. They were very similar. The clock there two weeks ago and yeah, it took pictures and the parts were never really so big down, hell with it. But I think I haven't looked at it. There are light solutions, I think light solutions would go all by end. I should be basically put, like suppose, the textures on the crosswalks. But they narrow it in. The way it's kind of laid out. Yeah. That way when they swear at the crash into the opinion. I'm not the leader in the flexi-coast after you. They put them in to deal with side lots on that one turn, which is offset from the center. And finally, it slows you down. Coming back, you don't even quite realize that the two of them center in the opposite post are offset. So it's actually pretty wide because you don't see it, it feels like you're heading toward a narrow, open, then you get there and it's not, which may be really useful with. It's a kind of like-ish-a-king, but it's not. It must be effective. I will walk through the staff recommendation. What's it is? Yeah. Those is case specific for how it out new Grace Lane and Cleve Drive. However, the recommendation was the same for both sections. The study area was split up. What's the second request came in? So it wasn't Grace Laneelain all the way down to South Gross of Othesry, which is pretty much all of the wood that staff can look at at Grand T.C. So that's why these are in two separate memos. They will also have two separate working groups. 103, that's on the chart. Because there is a second location within the first study area, since it was the larger one. Yeah, so from Grease Lane to Cleve Drive, it was a pretty large expand, so staff asked that there was data flunged up both, and does show the location east of what your circle came up higher, higher volume, higher percentage of severe pedestrian injury, then the second location east of Brook Drive on Hillwood. Now it's about the same as the third one, which is west of Shady Lane, so that The second that mouth, second study area. Is this, I guess, in general. Does this assume a certain volume of addition? No, it doesn't have... You're going to have pedestrian drives. It has like percent chance of injury at certain thresholds. Okay. So most of the cars who are going 20 miles now, that percent chance would be lower like Jefferson, Tracy, Robinson there. There's this like... You can... Yeah, for your studies, able to tell which direction of traffic is more of a threat, like Westbound or Eastbound? Yeah, um no, that was included, but that is included for both. This one, the memo pretty much just combines. So I combine that data because not every vehicle heading Westbound maybe coming back to Eastbound, so it's kind of separately in like two separate vehicles. The data attached to this, I can also send it out an Excel spreadsheet format. So I know the one attached to an agenda is a PDF. So that would be looked at it. And you go like my guess is Westbound traffic is your speeders. Yeah, through that's going to get by broad, cutting across seven corners and out the back end of town. So they're not so long down there, there's some pictures. This is kind of facing westbound. Once you get past those townhouses, it's just wide, I think it's both ways. So it's just the bypass, the round 7 bypass. This is the... houses. It's just wide over there. Yeah, I think it's both. It's both ways. So it's just the bypass of Route 7 bypass. This is the going on. Oh, wait. It's just getting from seven corners to Washington. Yeah. This is the data right here. I forgot it was added on people. So I have anything. I see the information is to move forward with light solutions, anything beyond that? For recommendations. Nothing more specific beyond that. The staff has only looked at the data they haven't started looking into. of potential solutions that could go in. And then, I mean, cause light solutions, it's, there's already all kinds of light solutions. Sorry, like the all the pain, you know, painted parking lines on the hash marks at the corners and everything. So I think in my mind the only light solution that's not there are the plexiose otherwise. I think we have to start more in concrete. But I think but I think plexiose. From what I've seen, we put Flexing Posts on the crosswalks. And really narrow those down as pinch points. These pictures don't really show it. I think Flexing Posts actually can be, maybe set in line, hard thing. Could be very effective. We have the crosswalks, very highly of each of those guys. Followed up. The same with looking at radar speed displays or RFAs to crosshouse those counts and slight stations. Because when I know this, what I'm in there is the median, they're there, but they're kind of in the middle of the blocks. And then when you get the intersection, you still have to let a turnlight, which widens it out. You have the crosswalk, you have the intersection, you have these large areas. But the right of the is our, these are parking extra, so they don't really handle the road. They have one picture there, yeah, there's a truck there. Well, when I was talking about it, I'm not sure how much the parking is utilized. So yeah, paint's not doing it. I think it's- I'm not convinced think stronger, the flexing post, the satellite, hard thing, I think, may actually be very effective. I think it would be good if we could get a holistic look at it. Instead of just staffing uncle, let's just only look at like solutions, like I think his point, I think a combination of heavy and light would be good to take a look at considering how much resorting been done. It has this no emergency route. So that's where the city has stated that speed bumps are like heavy solutions happy installed. That's not, I can't be sure because I have a solution could be a curve assumption and there's no issue with a curve expression. So I would like to see that right. If the city is going to say that I can't do a heavy solution and I can't do whatever because it's a small virtue, I'd like to see that in writing. If the study's gonna say that I can't do a heavy solution and I can't do whatever, because it's a snowmarch year, I'd like to see that in writing. That's under emergency management. That's posted on the website on the website, yes. But it could also be, see what the truck is right there. Picture from one of the right that you don't have it. A heavy solution could extend the curve out to basically where that truck is. You're still not creating a problem with the stumble urgency route, you're just creating a pinch point there. Yeah, you're going to lose some parking. Honestly, I think part of the problem here is low parking utilization. So, losing parking, your name is what? Certain times the week there's ample parking but there are certain times the week where there's you can't get parking on certain sections of hellwood. So, yeah, but you want to support. Yeah, so I'm just saying to me. Here in Park. Yeah. That would be something I have to examine, but farther down. For sure. Yeah. Mrs. Farther down. I didn't. You got a partner section. Like, like, we're part of Chicago all the way to where it's busy and then there's a lot of that. Um, and then I guess my overall comment is if you're looking at the data. This looks like it's by far the highest chance of severe injury. It's a pretty busy already that cuts to the city, even as used by I would assume residents and also can you guys. You know, what can we, what have these solutions can we do? Basically, what can be done? Sorry, I'm not turning it on what to do yet. To clarify on the heavy solutions part, it hasn't come up before. I, for my knowledge, looking at other NTC cases that put in concrete, pervacentions or anything on those lines. So it's been like the, it's a different entity that default for heavy solutions speed homes. That's when I say the speed hubs are not right. Yeah. But there are solutions, especially with the center, because usually what happens if you create a pinch point on most roads, you've still got when you feed the food that doesn't really, I just push people over the pain of lying and those folks from down here because of those center-eyed, those center-medians, above that, right there would create a 10 foot pinch point of a private pushback to cold and has to be 11. Still, 11 feet is much better. In the interest of moving things along, I think we all know this needs to be high priority. I think that pretty obvious. Sounds like recommendation to investigate. We move forward with solutions. Sounds like there's an interest in moving forward of investigating some heavy solutions at the same time. Yes. Interest the moon forward. I'd like to see if that's what we want to vote on and say that's. Our recommendation is to move forward. This is a high priority. That's pretty obvious. The data clearly takes that out. I was back to the more of a like solutions and investigate that solutions. And separate votes for each. Yeah, that's the one. But it is the vote would be the same for each. So do I have a pair of motion to do that? No, look. Is that is anything? Yeah. Do we have to do. No, you're going straight again. It's on the first one, whichever one you choose. I move the. I'm going to grace lane. Cleve tried. That one. The first one. You move. I moved to move forward within. Prioritize that as a high priority project. Is that what we're trying to say? And like the position of light and hairy solutions. Yeah. And if stable, I would like to combine that motion with the rest of the items on here. We can't do that. Can you go ahead and see if we move to do that? There's multiple, there's... It's separate from the sake of STEM. And we can go ahead and see if there's... There's no further explanation. I'm kidding. There's one. I move from the second axiom item, pulled down cleave drive south roast belt and power taught us that as a high priority project offering both light and heavy solutions. So helping. I was going to have more time discussing. That's okay. All right. All right. The board is in the day to do that. Instead of going down? I think there's a few other items that are updated on. Yes. Okay, no, there's a conflict. So for cases of the petition and the data collection basis, there is an update from Gunn drain and Anna Dale, that intersection, The traffic data has been requested from the consultant and hopefully we will see them that within the next few weeks that started at the end of April. And then for Great Falls Street, the requesters were here tonight. and they had actually just sent in their completed petition this morning. And staff will look to order that traffic data as well. So we have several of these cases moving forward. So some of these related status bold. Can we close them? I'm looking at North Taco, for instance. January 3rd, 2024, request to misplace the completed petition staff to keep the case in the queue to allow the request to the search for the petition. That's over a year ago. We closed some of these that are, I think we're given a lot to buy a picture. I think the idea here is just having it on the update. It's not maple, it's 2023, the last thing. You sent them the petition to fill out and something came back. Right. One of those make another section of the unlike an active due to an activity or something. But you still have record of it. So yeah, you still have a still record of it if they wanted for some people ever come back. That's all. Let me ask, or a community, if we could add, that also separates out cases. That's fine. Let me ask, um, or a key, you can see we could add. That also separates out cases that have more recent updates. Since there's a space between Gunnery and Annadale, and then these later cases that have been added. Yeah. It would be helpful to have them a little. and a note, it says, you cases, but in that case, if you would like to reactivate it, pausing. helpful to have them a little. So you can send a note to this and it says, you have cases been put in that bid, if you would like to reactivate it, falls in your court. I will ask to see as in this bid. I'll give this a status for you. Yes. Go from that. Your cases still out there, we're just not in here. Last update here. Staff received a new request for Trevor coming in East Fair Factory. And that's been boarded over to police for enforcement. And I just sent out the petition this afternoon. And that was it. Those are extending to by 15. I mean, other I'm high. 15 or 15. This's a patient. I tried to get my 30 to stand there. They all heard the channel. I can't. I'm an on voting member. I'm angry. Yeah. All right. So now we have memos. So we want to discuss the Oak Street Memo or the West Street part first? Yes, do you want to bring up the one you need? So I don't know if I felt like a high school or cramming for a final because I was working on this all day today trying to get another draft to you guys. So I apologize. I know I sent is still like four or five pages long. I'm kind of thinking like taking out the vision zero. I don't know if the city hasn't officially adopted this zero. And that was an idea that Paul Stoddard had to kind of like, make it sound cool or important or something, but I'm kind of just feeling like I could save some space by taking that part out. I think what we can do that feedback. The plan was that the city work plan had vision zero complete streets on my third or fourth quarter for Christmas while it's fallen out of this year. I don't know much for working on that. I know. I think we're working on it's in motion. I don't know. It's not going to I can't take a look at that. Yeah, action. I don't know what. Next time you start the app, we'll go over the end. Like I said, after the mainly memo. Of course, I said it. I was gonna see it. I didn't see a show up on it. So my earliest dream is to be sure these things, and then with all of us, wait a minute, I think we'll have something there, but then I can come back to the problem to Milwaukee, so I can get that into another location, but I think it's important to have that in some moment. I like that. Good. Okay. And then what I added was on page four, half way down specific requests for city council and staff. And that is to address. So there's like 19 problems that are listed out in the appendix. And then identifying which department or staff or office. would be involved in addressing each of those problems specifically. So I added that. I also specifically said that we would like to see DPW use the rapid reaction group implement quick fixes were possible. Also asked the City Council not allow residents to veto safety improvements. And this is something that, this is my, like, personally, my, one of my destinations with the NTC program is, right? Like citizens are pointing out that there's a safety problem, but then like some people could just say, like, oh no, I don't want anything to happen because I like the character of my street and I think it's just fine and I raised my kids here 30 years ago and blah blah blah blah. It's actually beautiful out from the roof. Right, so I remember for believer that citizens or a group of assuming residents should like their input is important and even for like our you know for us right like I think we can make recommendations and and whatnot but like I don't think it comes to like safety improvement or no safety improvement like It really gets under my skin when so the residents are able to like bully staff or city council and to Not not taking action. And so that's kind of what my third paragraph here is. A long way of life, Jessica. And I don't know this. I don't know what the city council's remit is, but can they direct or can they only encourage sections? Because I would say use a strong reward that encourages. Yeah, so that's a good question. I don't know how much direction. I don't know if you've looked at the memo councilman's plan. I've got lots of other things going on but you know there's a bunch of different things that I'm asking for in this memo as as far as like more cross locks, more signage, improve intersections. I don't know that city council, do you guys want direct, like specific actions to staff? I'm not sure how that relationship is. I was actually some dynamic between city council and staff. And I appreciate it by the way, how comprehensive you're in the memo ones. I didn't look at it, my phone was really good, very helpful. Some of the things you're not really, some of the things are local to that, but like things like the script or driving, that's really system-wide. So I think council is better to set policy and do the system-wide and rather than get into directing staff on particular projects, like if the sentiment here is something different, I mean, we'll certainly take that on our advisory. But I think, I think why it is pushed back in particular when city council tries to say, you'll do this here because there are engineering issues there are, you know, a series of other things. So, um, uh, what I like is you put it all together. Yeah. There's an issue with, with, with driving behavior. Exactly driving and things like that. So, um, we'll take it over to it very seriously. I mean, but a little bit of your thoughts here about how you would propose we divided between the city council and the staff. And it's partly the city manager for the government, right? There it is. If you will, it's kind of a checks and balances kind of thing. And I think staff will appreciate it. They don't want us telling them specifically nothing to do in particular areas. But if your would be helpful for you to say like from a policy standpoint we really want City Council to look at this list and this. So the concern I have would be that, I agree with it. Which one? one, the second one there is that that kind of was the intent of the graph response crew from the very beginning. I think what we ran into what's happened is that that you did under way to get to augment his that and has used it in a a different way. But we've been asking how do things get on the list for rapid response. We don't know. I raised this when I had coffee with Amanda. I'd like to give her the chance to maybe shift it in charge of that herself. We do have an increase in there. It would be good to encourage certain things but let her make it happen. I don't know what the view is about her from the end of the EW. I'm not gonna ask you to put your opinion out there because that would be unfair to you. I think there's a desire to sort of make her mark on the city out how she sees fit. And a lot of policies she's walking into without background or context. So I think she's open minded for sure. When I did meet with her, some of the stuff I was telling her early, she also said a lot of the stuff I was saying, she's been hearing from multiple directions. I think the other, the opportunity to handle it, I don't know if we got it at the right person. Well, sorry, I think that's sort of interesting and important topic, but I think that I wanted to put it in here because yes, no doubt like that's what they were supposed to be. But I just wanted to kind of like remind everybody like, hey, we have this rapid reaction crew that, you know, a lot of these could be quick kind of fixes instead of just getting, you know, caught up in funding, like what are we gonna do? And then I think it's up over. So that's why I wanted to do that. Well, the question is, is it that we want to encourage city council, it's one of the key W's in your point or do we want the city manager to encourage the W. point or go up the city manager to encourage you to be out of here. Yes. I have a question. I see that we make a request. Yeah. Well, the question is as the board of commission, can we make recommendation to the city manager versus going through the city council? Then do that. Sure. I mean, yeah, I don't know. I'm. I don't think it's that doubtful. Social media. So this will be addressed to the city manager. Well, we're going to be in place. It's the specific. The fixes. The specific fixes a specific spots, which I think is most of them has that That I think that is more direction of city manager to staff. Yes, that's more of a policy. That would be good to bring up to city council. We just say, why don't you line? And what we would just say, the city staff, the city manager and staff should look at these problems like we're not getting purge We're not gonna direct we say they should and then the I'm paragraph three. I'm a little sensitive to the phrase not allow me say or veto that that's all very negative and you're creating an opposition as opposed to its understood, you just take the last sentence, it's understood and said, wow, every citizen's voice is important, it does not override the safety of the community because when you create the opposition they have no other regorce but to fight back. So you're gonna say the same thing about any of your signs. I also would like to have highlighted that we want to be staff using a professional judgment. And what we don't want is individuals using their personal opinion and desires to override the professional judgment. Somebody who does this for their job and really knows what they're talking about. That also works. I know I think I can take that on. For the affirmative to the... Yeah, I'm saying that. We just do it in a positive way. If someone disagrees with our solution, but they agree that something should be done, that should be constructed as a first-year opposition. Yeah. I mean, I got another reference to the the meeting that was held that I watched, one of the comments, one of the other comments that everybody already maybe she talked about, how long it takes NTC to get through to these projects. she wants to figure out NTC, what she say NTC 3.0 or something like that, notably some accelerated process. But she also talked about the council, maybe specifically her, taking some of the heat from the citizens, if they go ahead and make some decisions that in the past may have waited a long time and taken a long time to develop some kind of consensus. She wants to move it along. She seems to be prepared to take some political heat from moving forward. So, you know, I've been thinking how, I don't know, I'm just tracking the memo, but thinking through what some of the changes could be made to NDC. And really a couple of years ago, we talked about we made some evolutionary updates to it that were problems with just the details. And the more I think about it, the more I think there's a structural update that's needed, that where we have multiple programs fundamentally even when somebody submits something to NTC, you have a non-professional resident by submitting it, deciding which program within the city is going so into, on really where professional staff, what they're really asking for is traffic safety, street safety, but maybe we take back a little bit and say, this could feed in. We've seen it with projects where we look at it and say, this needs to be split, where we do part of here and side block issues. So that'll go into missing links and why does that? To me, that's kind of the first step, even, and maybe CACT takes on more of a pellet role, so that if there is an issue that is springing with the proposal, we then become kind of on place that they can go and raise their concerns and over Nolan when the list no solution. I think we looked at it and said, you came out when there was, like, and we believe we make an assumption that in the evenings there would be more parking and the parking and the parking and the realization, like, but it's not. The latest staff comes out, looks at it for half an hour of the people on the street are there, like we said. It's, I think there's a structural change that has happened that can really make this hopefully more effective, faster, and reduce staff. But if everybody provides me. Why don't we do a heed to a hear something like a hearing independent from one somebody who will write Tony and whoever that is. And do a SWAT analysis, you know, strength, weakness, this opportunity in our whole chart. And that could also out of our mix too. And put the charter in the mix as well. Which, you know, it would be a, I mean, it's kind of like a structured brainstorming. And everything gets up on the board. You kind of get it all out there and then you figure out how to line up the spaghetti so it's industry lines. Maybe shorten that. When we do this. Yeah, let's go back. Yeah, I just like to add a perspective on this one. I mean, my take on this covers a lot of ground on issues that I think we all generally agree with, but it covers a lot of ground. My takeaway, I would appreciate some time to review it in more detail, because I think there's a lot in my mind this is primarily services of policy memo, in which we're making a lot of recommendations on things that touch NTC, they touch the screenings. We're talking about a lot of different priorities. I think it would move us all to, I think, probably an area of consolidate into strategic recommendations, but really to think critically about what's in, what's out, and how we organize this to frame it in that way as policyman when we're asking for explicit action in, action in particular, instead of a council. So I would appreciate that opportunity, I think to review and I would like, ideally, in the future meeting for us to hopefully get this little bit earlier, because clearly you've put a lot of effort into it, and I'd like us to be able to give it the time that it deserves, but that's my take. No, I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean, I started this now like a few years ago, and I have smirked into so many things, and you know, I feel it's kind of a lot, And so I'm definitely, you know, I have struggled with how to scope it. And like, you know, who is the audience? And what are we asking about specifically? So yeah, no, I appreciate them in anybody's time. I think like right now, and maybe leave it out as, and then if you guys wanna take the next month to dig into it. That we appreciate that. I am kind of thinking like based on just the feedback today that yeah, maybe adding the city manager to the two lines. So it's not just because at first I was thinking it was just a city council. And that's why everything is like encouraged this or that. So that's kind of what I'm thinking now. And please, I give it a, you know, within where it was legal, I think like reaching out to me one-on-one is perfectly allowable. And so I elected, I'd love to have those one-on-one conversations as well. So here's my idea of what it was going to be here to our next meeting, right? So I think we should, if you don't mind going back to the channels, but for why I had non-mentioned it for why as well, that tonight's meeting there was a very good conversation about how to better understand the division between Council and the city manager and how to move toward more of a database decision-making process, right? Is that what I hear? So we can start to think and Amanda has a number of degrees. I was in a MIT session for my day job. The only way I could get an MIT is if I'm invited for a panel 30 years after I'm with, you know, applied and then rejected, right? She apparently has an advanced degree from MIT. So I mean, she would be a very good person, I think, to engage in this kind of conversation. I think you're not really, you can't sprint that out. Okay. Cool. Is there a deadline that we can each collectively or individual rather get back to you? You don't have time to process it. And I'm happy to help you with that. Yeah, well, I mean, I think maybe if we do a week before the next meeting, you know, based on the feedback, it might not turn into another draft, right? It might turn into a number of discussion points, right? Maybe that's good. Yeah, so maybe it's just a try to act, you know, when we make a very weeks and when we have a new allow have an email and then I'll try to use that to pretty good discussion and also if we hear back from anybody else. So, quick question, do I have a motion to expand in about 15 minutes? A motion to extend of 935. 935. all right all good.. I'm there. Okay. All right. We talked about western park. So, I think Monday morning or Tuesday morning, sent around an updated version of this mail out. Incorporating feedback last time. And once again, thank you both from Rich Ant, the VT, TI on that. The feedback was that the capability for the smart cities was not such that they could currently tell whether or not people were walking against signals. So that resulted in the piece that we had about illegal crossing. It's still included as a point, but we don't have the same alternative sort of that. But we were able to attend the piece about a message. So, David is referenced and it continues to be included. The one piece separate from the memo that I know I mentioned in my email to everyone was that I would be curious in perspectives on the work that's that's going on across street right now. And the effect that that is inevitably don't have on traffic. Street, I think, so far in the interest of the DPW's perspective on this as well. The lane horders seem to be recruited certain times of day. I don't know if that's going to continue to be the case for the remainder of the project. Yeah, it's going to change. This week, broad street is going to have a full-time lane closure as they're lowering the road. I think it's from like, it's just in front of the development. But that lane's gonna be close full-time for and then the middle lane and then the left turn lane. I'll have a next couple weeks. Just do that at night. No because the the great difference is pretty significant in the section I have to cut into so that lane has to be close full-time. Now they're closing the lane to the new development. Yeah. It's going to be, but isn't it also going to be. That's what's going to be. That's what I was saying and then it's also going to be. Turned lane, right? Like the right time. Right. This. It's going to be very different lanes. We want to have time. the insolane, the house the outside lane and the turn lane, but one at a time. And the duration of that all three is one month. That's amazing. That's amazing. And it's like putting a new road to what's the, what's your, the two things that you have to do. You can get the angle right for the flow of the water, but that's what we were told. We're told about the city manager. And so I have the G2, the sub-surface as well as the surface of the world. Good night. Thank you. That's how they have a KBS channel. Okay. That's how the women's body work there, and they're also very cool. So I raised that, I'm not sure if that's that. So I raised that, wondering if this is the right time for this, given that there will be more data than it forms this and our recommendations wouldn't be active. I think it's still, in fact, I think the data coming in during that period won't be really a valid, valid because everything will be, you'll have this major short-term destruction going on. Beijing, say that the data during that period has to be brought out. Okay, but what was going on during the data that you looked at? So, the latest? We've been closed for that I would say that, yes, you have a lot of the things that we've talked about as driving folks on to grow and making that these worse or because of temporary make closures. So I would think that it would exacerbate it. I don't know that the data is going to change things, but frankly, my curiosity was, isn't this going to become more of a concern after it's over or more, it would be more justified to talk about these. We'd have more points to make. And so I think this is based on the quality of the sample. It's based on the link closures that happened after this is going to be like, this was happening for a while and a lot more consternation. But I think everything that's already there is still about. So I can really get it. I don't think the stuff, the recommendations really change. I think the stuff we're seeing, I think, is stuff we're seeing again. I agree. I think this is a really important section of town. I think it's more important. Right. I talked about this. When I talk about this intersection, I say to one thing, everybody reads on, it's got problems. Yeah. And we hear it all the time. Yeah. And it's across the board. It's cards, lockers, records, anybody literally in that space, I think, ofery. No. Obviously, it started so what the hell's going on there? It's so, you know, it's really good. And I didn't breathe that, no, I think you've one way or the other, I just thought. I mean, it merits discussion because it is going to be a big impact of the knowledge. Yeah, but we're not going, none of the stuff is going to be able to help the next month. Exactly, that's it. All right. So, we need to pull that information we mentioned to us that, you know, but we that we know we're not running the yesterday and violating the signage and stuff like, is that back in the memo? Now that you pulled that out, you scroll down, so that's how, I mean, we still make reference of the fact that the VTTI database is in there, but instead of going into the reference to the legal pedestrian crossings, we go into the near disk collisions first, which I would say. I mean, point because it is now in our mission, because I looked up the VTTI, that the grant was given in 2021, and one of the components of VTTI was that data, J-walking data and everything else is, how many years after the money is funded, are we gonna see some of the things that are supposed to be on there? Is it not paper bullets not turned on or we have more money that we have to sink into it? Because that's what was sold to the city in 2021 was a capability that we don't have now. So by omitting that it doesn't raise that issue, keeping that in would then raise it in at least put some pressure to say, where is it? I mean that's why I'm interested in the city council working on the smart city program. I have some have similar questions and I then you have the best, most of the greatest people in the city have tried to work with the data. I think we're going to have probably one side. So I'm not sure how many people have access to a actual dashboard. We don't actually have access to that. I mean, you've seen it. I, but I've seen it. My guess is that's for them to give me a plan on these pictures. The one with the rest of them. Yeah. And I did that sidebar, I know, I'd set around to folks the intersections they currently have. So. Otherwise, I mean, the recommendations are the same. They're slightly reordered, just based on the technical law. But does anybody have significant changes that they would like to see on this program? Anybody feel that we need more time on this program? Let me express my memory stress before and that is I think this is obviously very car oriented. The moment I'm sorry the moment or the the whole the whole process and then get to go back to one of the comments that that may are hard to be made in the recent and and recent section. She talked about there's going to be increasing demand for walking and increasing demand for cycling. And as I've said before, the fact that that area that under the duck maybe 75 yards from from where the WnoD Cross is west is you know the grow growth intersection and there's no way to get across the growth intersection and west. And to me, if you, you know, you're going to have a theater opening up and you may have people parking there on growth despite the fact it's a native. That don't want to. I think you to. And we really want to facilitate people to be able to walk and to be, I mean, that's fine with how far it's gone. But it misses the whole issue, the whole pedestrian issue about access, pedestrian access to the founders' rope down growth. I have a, so I looked at to when founders one went in, like the original set of like cyclans, it originally had crosswalk right at Groove and they took it out because it was a concern about cyclist and to cars coming both off of broad and off of a Western part. Around that fence. Right on that corner. Yeah. So that's why they took it out. And there's not a crosswalk there. Well, there was a concern. So who was penalized? Was the cyclist and the pedestrians? Right. Yeah. That's who lost out in the geochir, which is why I say this is an auto oriented solution and that frustrates me. Yeah, I guess that's one of the things that I think had been a different approach. Yeah, the fact that they took out access by by by Spaceless. Why did they do it? They didn't want to they didn't disadvantage the the autos. They disadvantaged the people that were cycling. Now, you really want to foster cycling and walking in the city, they need to make some decisions that are pro-walking and pro-cycle. Yeah. And it may be adverse to the autoprag. Well, then I mean, the one point that I would add that is covered in here is that it is explicitly called out the Grove Crossing in the WNOT trail is not at all similar to candy and other crossings. It's not burnt as well. It's not visible. It's not, you know, signages in the same way. And I think that was an exclusive consideration is for school traffic for any number of reasons that needs to be more friendly to pedestrian than cyclists. Does it have the same level of connectivity, awful grove No, but it would theoretically make it easier for people to walk down W and O D to get to the more set up pedestrian crossing. Are you saying that there's something that you would add to this memo to make it so that more pedestrian cycles front line based on your plan. I guess what I'm saying is that you know what people care about by what they spend money. All right, so it's been a general press. And on a lot of resources are being spent here to you know, to facilitate all those going through this particular area. And I'm just saying, we... And on modern resources, they're being spent here to facilitate all those going through this particular area. And I'm just saying, we need to spend more resources on facility. We need to put money where I'm specifically helped. I'm sorry specifically. Yes. Yes. What can we add to your point? Well, I think that's the point of contention. Do we move forward with the memo? I think she's wondering, is there something that we need to add to your point? Well, I think that's the point of contention. Do we move forward with the memo? And I think she's wondering, where's there something that we need to add to it? Well, I mean, can you, can the memo address the need for, the need for more cycling and pedestrian kind of access from grove into founders room. Can you say, gee, you know, maybe you can say that clearly the VTTI technology is not specifically there, but this is one of the things that I think needs to be focused on. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a remediation. However, I do think to your point, there probably could be more connected tissue between the recommendations of outlining why it's important to pedestrian and cycling access. I could probably add some language around Y2 WNOE trail changes are so significant, why that's a concern that they are not marked the same as other crossings. So they're probably going to be more language added in there to that effect. Well, and I think too, what you need to be driving this is it was a DPW project, Right? And we're sort of, right, we're asking, that look, it's DPW is doing this and so therefore, you know, you've done the work and I appreciate all the work that you've done. But because DPW is focused on that's an area that DPW said we need to be focusing on. And I want to say, gee, why is that? Why did the D.B.W. put greater emphasis on walking in pedestrian, it grew? I mean, that was kind of decision. You know what I mean? It's just an orientation. A general orientation that frust first person. So I don't have a, I'm sorry, just good. I, I, I'm not trying to like, are you with you? I'm just like, I agree with you. I was just wondering if there was, if you were, there was something specific that we could have. But it really doesn't have that. I think we're at the level as the specific recommendations. I think the question is, do we want to put recommendation in to have a crosswalk between Grove and Brown as well? It was there. It's often been great many times. Just question Mark, so it's biotrally there. Just seeing that said, we want to add that to the recommendations. I mean, by immediate reaction, living in the area, why in that area is that I would understand why there would be concerns, especially given the current traffic volume in that area, the confusion that already exists for vehicles coming out and growing, turning out to Western. So I would understand that concern. Do you want for adding a glass of water would make it any safer for pedestrians? No, because in my mind, I mean, it is, I think there's a debate to be had about whether or not it's inconvenience to get into founders by continuing down WNOD and crossing AFounds AF because the group is in your distance anyway. And in your driveway or 75 yards, you're saying, introducing the district, you know, it's insurmountable. That bad situation that's already dead, and we'll try to stay for longer. Clearly already. Put the crosswalk out of the initial plans, I guess. I think to me, it makes sense to try to make that intersection safer because that is by and large where people are going to be coming in more so than grow. And then there's concerns about adding the crosswalking growth. Yeah. Maybe it's all mine. I think the industry, putting pedestrians in there would actually increase the risk. Well, we need the line to sort of bolster the power of talking about why updating Grova the Veno is so important and it's to be able to safely get pedestrians over to where they can cross properly and found the throw, which is where they're accessing all the businesses and everything that's that balance you're putting in. Other than that, I think this is Thank you. I'm happy to make that change and also we're having a tour of the day. I would probably keep an email. I think this is a good shape. I think we make that change and also we're have it up to the day. I would probably keep an email. I'm the passes. Update the near miss map again, because I imagine that we'd probably have more tables or. All right. I'm happy. I'd like to put it to about that. We approve this memo that Tristan has written and thank you for doing it. This is the way I hear motion to set to approve the memo and send it to council. I so motion. I think second that please. All there. I and thank you. And thank you to the different. Six one for all against the. I'll extend thank One. Okay. So, where I'm at, there's a sentence where I actually know her. And look that forward, we're going to cover it in the back. We did this. And I'll get out. And we're going to like. And I wish I had been pushed out to the week. Meeting after. You're saying it's not good. I'm going the leading after the accident. That's good. Before you turn one question, who is interested in being involved in the discussions about changes to the NTC? Dr. Lee. I'm not going to say that. You would get a silence. I wouldn't want to begin. Okay, now we have a problem. Just four of us would be public meeting. Yeah, I would be interested in devoting time, turning it into seemortions. This conversation. Yeah, I'll be working on it. Under the same park and west, we'll be taking out for next meetings. We can include discussion about NPC. very independent. Okay. I'll give you time. I'll give you time to start. I'm actually reached out playing and about. Fashioned. Scott. The end of the day. Why do I have that? Somewhere in the park. The. Mr. Thanks for that. Right here. I guess we'll return. I don't know, but I'm just going to have to prove that to right here. I guess we'll return. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. And is anybody want to campaign? My right. Yeah. That's it. I did not get it. Congratulations on. This is the hellwood cracker.