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I'm going to go a little bit of the same thing. Wh-wh- Oh I'm going to do it. All right, great. We'll call the Wednesday, March 19th, 2025 meeting of the Planning Commission, Foster City Planning Commission to order. Mr. Turner, can you call the roll please? Chair Madam Chair. Mr. Polinsky? Chair Colmont? Here. Mr. Stevens? Here. Ms. Friedlander? Here. Mr. Krovensky? Here. Thank you. We've formed. And we have one commission who would like to participate remotely to be able to have somebody who can read the motion for electronic participation I'd like to make a motion for electronic participation by planning commissioner Duncan Mr. Duncan could you identify your location and the reason for participation by electronic means Surely I'm in Knoxville Tennessee down here on family business. I move that's Planning Commissioner Duncan approve electronic. I move that the Planning Commission approve the Electronic Participation by Commissioner Duncan in this meeting for personal reasons. Presented the Planning Commission's policy for remote participation in Planning Commission meetings as adopted on February 5th, 2025. Second. All in, we have to do roll call vote please. Mr. Blinski. Aye. Mr. Chair Calmont. Yes. Mr. Stevens. Yes. Mr. Frieslander. Yes. Mr. Krivinsky. Yes. Thank you. The motion passes. Okay, great. Welcome, Mr. Duncan. How are you all? All right. So the next item on our agenda is the adoption of the agenda. Any, with a pre-lighted agenda, I don't know that anybody's going to have any specific changes in mind, but if you do, it's fine now. I move that we adopt the agenda as stated. A second. OK, all in favor? Hi. Hi. Hi. OK. Our next item is a speaker series, none tonight. So our next item is the receipt of petitions. Mr. Trainer, can you give us a summary of written correspondence, please? Happy to, Madam Chair. We received one note from Paloma Benieto and their neighbors on South Leastry regarding a potential rezoning of property on South Leastry. No formal application has been submitted. So be on the lookout for more updates on that. The commission also received a note from Andrew all-son writing with notes and thoughts and analysis on recent crash data in the city. And that's the summary of written correspondence. Great, thank you. Do we have any in-person petitions tonight? I've not received any speaker slips. If there's anyone in audience that I'd like to speak tonight. Make yourself known. No. Okay. I think we can move on to our action items. Item 6A is the Quinn site plan final action. Mr. Zang, would you like to introduce this item? Yes, Madame Chair. Good evening, Madam Chair, members of the Planning Commission. My name is Henry Zang, I'm the deputy, interim deputy planning director. I'm here tonight, feeling for Mr. Gareth Fuller, who is out in sick. Yes, this is the Queen's last public hearing. Last Plane Commission's work session on this site plan was on February 5th. The applicant had worked very hard with the staff, addressed all the outstanding issues. I think I'm going to turn this over to Case Planner. Ms. Asano. Thank you. Great. Welcome, Ms. Asano. Thank you. Thank you very much. My name is Laura Arsano and I'm the Case Planner for the Quinn and Home Stretch redevelopment site planning consolidation application. I'm here tonight to present a brief summary planning commission follow-up items and responses and staff recommendations. The proposal is considered for final action tonight at planning commission. A description of the property begins on line 45 of the report, the 1.86 acre site is comprised of three existing parcels located at 350 and 360 South Washington Street and 303 South Maple Avenue. The recent legislative history of the site begins on line 64 of the staff report. On February 26, 2024, City Council approved resolution approving two special exceptions. One for residential uses within a mixed use development project and two to increase the building height with a bonus height of up to 40 feet. The approval included a 10 story senior living human care mixed use building with 233 human care units Medical office use with retail restaurant and nonprofit uses as well. The approved SD proposal also included a partially underground parking garage. With this application, with the site plan application, the applicant has submitted a request for 13 minor deviations from the approved special exception as detailed starting on line 77 of the staff report. Such requests are reviewed by the city manager and they may approve, manager may approve minor deviations if they are determined to be necessary to reasonably achieve the construction of the project to improve the projects overall functioning or benefit of the city and they do not conflict with the approved voluntary concessions. The minor deviations include relocation of the lobby to South Mabel Avenue, relocation of the loading and trash area to South Washington Street, building footprint modifications, architectural modifications, and increase in retail and medical office space, modifications to grading and street scape, to amend the South Maple Avenue sidewalk paving materials to modify the requirement for interior loading trash and recycling activities and to modify the requirement for interior loading trash and recycling activities and to modify the design of the garage and loading doors facing south Washington Street. The city manager has reviewed and approved the requested minor deviations one through eleven. The city does not support minor deviation requests 12 which was the loading activities and 13 which was the garage disorder design as they are not in conformance with and directly contradict the voluntary concessions. With this site plan proposal the applicant has requested three waivers. The description of these begin online 54 of the report. There's a waiver for the required loading spaces, a waiver for the modification of the required parking with the proposed reduction of 46.3%. A waiver of the 100-foot distance from a vehicular commercial entrance or exit to residential district. Staff recommends the Planning Commission waive these three modifications. Since the February 5th work session, the applicant has worked with staff to address the following planning commission comments, which start on line 19 of the staff report. For sanitary sewer, city staff has reviewed and concurred that sanitary sewer proposed infrastructure is adequate for the Quinn and also future development. Staff has received confirmation from Arlington County. They have enough sanitary sewer capacity for the Quinn proposal. Further per voluntary concession number 35, the city manager has reconfirmed the city's desire for the project to connect and pump to Arlington County. For transportation, the applicant has modified the language and striping, I'm sorry, the signage and striping of the bike lane on South Maple Avenue has updated the parking management plan to provide employee amenities, bike infrastructure and EV charging information and has provided clarification of the pedestrian route from South Washington Street through the Besseu to the lobby elevators. For architecture, the applicant has provided a rendering of the building at dusk and the information has been provided on bird-friendly building design in the rooftop amenity area. Lastly, the applicant has provided a comprehensive sign plan which includes wayfinding, parking, drop-off, loading, and internal signage and an inclusion of predatory towing signage. Staff request additional public parking and parking and identification signage be placed at the 7 entrance of Rolling Road Park. Bords and commissions continue to review the proposal since As a last planning commission work session. These comments start on line 654 of their report. Another architectural advisory board meeting was tentatively scheduled on February 12th, but the AAB did not have a quorum and therefore no AAB comments received on the third submission. The Parks and Recreation Advisory Board met on March 12, 2025 to review the site plan proposal. The Board requested that the identification signage for the park not duplicate other city park signage to allow this park to have a unique distinct identity. For staff has completed the review of the revised application materials and recommends that the Planning Commission approve the site plan and subdivision consolidation proposal, contingent upon the addition of a forced main note added to the Sanitary Suer Plan and that the applicant addressed the remaining DRC comments, including those related to the Comprehensive Sign Plan. Next, the applicant will make a brief presentation followed by discussion. Thank you very much. Thank you. Welcome. Thank you very much Madam Chair and members of the Commission. Good evening. My name is Andrew Painter with Walsh Kaluci. Speaking tonight on behalf of the applicant, I am not going to take up everyone's time tonight. I agree with everything that staff has said. Not going to show a presentation this evening. I did want to recognize, however, our team members, including Paul Quinn, want to thank Ed Henderson for coming out as well. But Andrew Teeaders, Matt Quinn, the rest of our design team, we're all here, either in personal online. I think that the staff report speaks for itself. This is our third appearance before the planning commission on the site plan that we've had over the last six months or so. We have solved many issues. We've refined our architecture. We have refined project details. And I think we've come to mutually agreeable resolutions on a host of items any outstanding issues that remain Staff is determined to be non-critical that can be resolved after You know after the site plan is approved. I do want to take a step back though and just say that our intention from the beginning really has been to deliver a project that can realize so many of the city's planning priorities and land use recommendations and And, you know, we are trying to develop a project that we can all be justifiably proud. Whether this commission knows or not, even for the new members that have just joined, this body has had its thumbprint on this project for many, many months. And you know, staff in the applicant agree that the project is ready for the vote. We are certainly ready to realize its promise and make this investment. I do want to thank Miss Arsano, Mr. Zong, all of City staff and this commission and getting to this point. It's been a herculean effort. We've learned a lot and the project is better for your input. So thank you very much. Great. Thank you so much, Mr. Painter. Well, I think we can open it up to planning commissioner questions or comments. I have a question for staff, please. So I have a question for staff and it is on the motion for the sanitary sewer. It does say that the applicant will add a note on the site plan that the sanitary sewer force main arrangement needs to be approved before the as-built plan is submitted. And to me an as-built is when it's a record document and its construction is complete. So it seems like it should be like an issue for construction because when you want that note to be approved before you go into construction or before you go into permit. The goal of the note, oops, excuse me, the goal of the note is we get the as-built plan after construction is completed usually towards the end of the process.. So you wanted a little bit closer to earlier in the process is what you're requesting. Okay, I guess maybe I'm misunderstanding the intent of this note. Isn't it just to say that we're putting a force main and there's an arrangement with Arlington County. The intent of this is that we're asking the applicant to put a note in the site plan and we're going to effectively go into an MOU with the applicant and that's what we're asking the applicant is to put the MOU note on the site plan before the and we're asking that the MOU be completed before the as-build is submitted. Oh the MOU yes the MOU is completed. But it's not going to change the actual plan to correct do the force main. Okay that's not I wasn't understanding that. Correct. Okay. Okay. Maybe it needs to be included in there. I'll look out that. Correct. Okay. Maybe it needs to be included in there. I'll look, I'll think about the wording about it doesn't seem very clear to me that that's that we're looking for the MOU. We're just looking for a note on the site plan. It almost seems like our role on this is kind of high level, just the, you know, approving the kind of the concept that the force main is going to be used and that we'll be connecting in with Arlington and that Arlington has said that's fine with them that they have a sufficient capacity to accept this. It's really not much more we can do beyond that. I don't think we would want that Understanding from Arlington before we start construction on this project Is that contained in mr. Shields note that's in yes, okay, but there aren't there aren't much more Details as we haven't hammered out the details yet, but mr. Shields note requests that this note, which is why this is put in staff report. Okay. Data today. Yeah, correct. Right. I did to receive that this afternoon. So, okay. Thank you. Any other questions? Just wondering, is there any more details that can be provided on the public amenity space on the rooftop? I would defer to the applicant on that. No, it would change at this point from our last appearance. So that's kind of TBD. TBD, that's right. There's built-in flexibility in both the site plan and intervoluntary concessions to allow a host of different uses that can go up there, but I'll have to work within the four corners of the approval documents. Okay. Did have one other question. Since the minor deviations, what is it, 12 and 13 were not recommended to be accepted by staff. Is that acceptable to the to the honor? It is at this point time yes. If we want it I mean the only way to change those would be go back through a special exception amendment which we are considering doing but that is the proper you know vehicle to do it and okay we'll be evaluating that post approval the site plan. Okay. Okay. I think it's all ahead. Okay. Anything from you? Just the quick thing I know you were mentioning, sorry, earlier that like there's two of us who are new to the board and you guys have been through a lot of stuff. I think it sounds like there's a lot of first mover, yeah, not issues, but like this is good. We talked about this last time. Like this is the template for everybody else is going to try and redevelop that section of false charts. So I just want to say thanks for your cooperation and working with us and trying to figure out. last time, this is the template for everybody else who's going to try and redevelop that section of false church. So, I just want to say thanks for your cooperation and working with us and trying to figure out how to get the right answer, because I think this is something last place in false church to get this opportunity for doing these things. But in terms of somebody else is going to look back at it and say, this is the Quinten project, I'm going to do it like that. Right, like this is what's already been approved, this is what Fall Search is going for. So I appreciate that. I did appreciate you guys adding the lighting or the evening lighting or nighttime lighting solution there. One thing, like I don't think it's a stop the press, it's kind of thing, but one thing that might be considered there is based on the building that some founders wrote, that is the 55 plus building, all the lights are always off in the resident apartments, relatively early at night, just as you guys think about how that's gonna get built out, like the ground floor lighting to light up that area, otherwise it tends to look very dark at night, and it can be intimidating to visitors and people are coming to. Yeah, thank you very much. We'll keep that in mind as we move forward. Thank you. Okay. Mr. Duncan is his hand up Madam Chair. Oh, I know he's. Can we recognize Mr. Duncan? Mr. Duncan, go ahead. Thank you. Thank you. Just for the public record, can we go over what connections there are between issuance of COs and the occupation of the ground floor with retail or community based uses? Is there a sequencing that we can tell the community that we expect that would be similar to what we did for founders or two friends and so on. So the other buildings. Yes, Commissioner Duccan. That is spelled out in the voluntary concessions if I could just locate those real quick. I think I believe 75% of the ground floor spaces must be least prior to the issuance of the first certificate vacancy for any of the CCF or continuing care uses. There are also requirements that a minimum of 50% of the storefront spaces be constructed to what's known as a warm white box or shell condition prior to the first certificate of occupancy as well. And then there has to be a minimum of 50% of the non-lease storefront facades completed also prior to the first certificate of occupancy. So that is, and okay, so in prior to the first certificate of occupancy, 75% of the commercial space must be under an executed lease. So those are all spelled out in condition 17 of the voluntary concessions. I just want to make sure that public is aware of all that. One of the questions in the same thing, is there any specificity about what the covering of the ground floor spaces will look like during their construction or fit out or getting them to the warm-line shell process or we're going to have, you know, approach that is used as counter-srow or the approach that is used as counter-srow. I recall us doing that. I'd have to look more into the conditions if you can give me a minute, but I, you know, obviously we would not want to have just empty spaces and things like that, but I seem to recall that we discussed that during the negotiations of the voluntary concessions commissioner. Okay, all right. Just wanted that on the record, thank you. Go ahead. Yes, we want to see anything first. No questions from me. Just looking forward to seeing this project move forward should it get approved. Okay. Go ahead, Ms. Friedland. Thank you. I do have a question about the drop-off area. I know we talked in previous meetings about the main address and first of all, I do wanna say how much I appreciate all the work that has gone into making this project. I think it's been developed to a point that I think everybody should really should be proud of it. It's got really great features and a lot of challenges. Like this team has been so responsive to our comments. I think more said than previous teams and that I just think that in challenges, there's a ton of opportunities and you guys are realizing those opportunities as you've developed this design. And I think it's really gonna be a win-win for both the city and for the tenants of the building as well as the development team. But with that said, I do have a, and I appreciate, moved like part of that was moving that trash loading zone away from the more residential side of the site. And in doing that, it allowed that to be kind of the main entrance along South Maple. But what I'm concerned about is it looks like the bike lane is right up tight to that sidewalk. So maybe we can look at that site plan. And I know we talked in previous work sessions about the drop off area being inside the garage, but I just think that a lot of lift and Uber drivers and taxis that aren't familiar with the address that they're going to are not going to know to go in there and do a three point turn after they drop somebody off. And so I'm a little bit concerned that that front entry might that might become a drop off zone and might impede that bike lane. So, but if you could kind of speak a little bit to that, maybe I'm misreading the drawings because it was really hard to kind of see. Yeah, that's an old drawing. Okay, that is an old drawing. I've got it. Let me, let me share my screen. Hang on for a second. Okay, that's the South Maple facade, the black and white. But if you want to do the... I think there's the area. So is that red area that's between the sidewalk and the bike lane? What is that? Is that paved area or is that flat with the road so that it can become a drop off kind of areas you're crossing over that bike lane to drop off? Like maybe you can zoom in. That's the whole, yeah that's level with the sidewalk. So there's the curb at the road. And then that's the brick amenity zone, kind of like the tree pits go, bike, electric scooter, and all that stuff, benches, eventually. So it's flush with the sidewalk side. That's part of that. So a vehicle really would be on the road, not like a pull-off where it's level with the asphalt road. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. I just was hoping that maybe there's a way to allow for a drop off there. Cause I just see this is also a medical office building as well as retail as well as you know mobility challenge people who are living up above and so the people who live there are going to know where to go. I think it's really the people who are going to the medical office building or to the retail establishments that are just getting dropped off to meet someone who may be using a rideshare that doesn't necessarily understand that they need to go into the garage to drop off and pick people up. I don't know Scott I think I mean over time I think it's going to be fairly intuitive. There will be signage that's associated with this. I think also that the the curb is probably going to be colored yellow and there will be signage saying no parking along this area. Yeah. But this was one of the things that we worked with staff on and the council on during the original special exception. We originally had three parking spaces located right along here. And it was asked that we return this space back to the pedestrian and get additional street trees in this area. And that's the reason why we took out the parking. Yeah, no, I understand that. I was just hopeful that I was misinterpreting the plan. But other than that, I think all the other opportunities that you guys have found was in regrading and making that more simple, especially for mobility-challenged individuals who are gonna be navigating the site. I think everything that you've done in response to our concerns has really helped the project develop and be a really great opportunity. Thank you. So I appreciate all of you guys's attention and just cooperation and wanting to make a good project and wanting to do something for the city. I mean, including the Forest Main, that's a huge commitment. So I recognize that, so I really do appreciate that. Thank you. It has think it has been as I mentioned has been a team effort, you know, since the landscape plan is up on the screen, I mean, Scott has done, I think, a yeoman's job along with Karen, Netwaltrow Phillips, to sort of lay this out. I mean, so much of this project is on the outside of the building. That is what is going to be the public interface that a lot of people that will never go in this building will experience and this is really meant to be a center for the south you know the southern side of the city in a place that we can all gather and so interface that a lot of people that will never go in this building will experience. And this is really meant to be a center for the south, you know, the southern side of the city in a place that we can all gather. And so, you know, to your point, I mean, the universal design elements on the exterior spaces have just been so, you know, so critical. And so I appreciate the comment. Absolutely. And I do appreciate too just how that the architecture has also been developed in playing with those relationships and the proportions of those glazing systems to really show the function inside without making it a flat box. I think it sets the bar for future developments in the area, so I really do appreciate the team. We do too. And yeah, hats off to Toygan and Marius for coming in, taking a look at it, finding some additional efficiencies. But just overall, bringing a really good cohesive view to all four sides of this building, I think it reads really well. So thank you. Thank you. Thanks. All right. Any other questions, comments? Okay. Well, I guess I will just add my own kudos to you all. I think this really has come a long way. I hope it will be a terrific example for this area and a catalyst for more reinvestment. I'm super thrilled for the amazing public park that you're delivering to the community. So thank you for all of the work that you've done on the project. There are no further questions. Would somebody like to make the motion? Is there an order that we should be making these motions in? Oh, I'm sorry. I guess the comment getting, I'm going to blame Google, because it was being star someone there. But I don't want to ask questions about this. Is this a public hearing? It is. I'm hearing a love. Set you a letter. OK. Can you come up to the mic? Did you want to open it? We can. We can stay in Potsergar. My mother owns 304 South Maple building across the street and I have four tenants living in that building who park on the street. There is no parking in the back for them. I've been getting letters from Miss Underhill over the planning period, telling me the buildings and all that, and we've discussed over email parking, what provisions we made for parking for current residents. And there is discussion of parking in the documents that I've seen about $X,000 for creating permit, something, something, something. But primary concern of the existing residence is going to be, they'll be able to park their cars during construction and making sure that it is in full of construction workers drop parking because there is no room on that street right now for the residents that have to park on the street. And second afterwards that there is some solution to where the four spots are still there for my tenants and That there are spots for the other buildings going down the street after that. I know it's been discussed. I just wonder where you can tell me Yeah, I'm happy to chime in and would welcome Staffs comments as well. So during the negotiation of the original special exception, we made a commitment to have a construction traffic and parking plan. So that would be where construction acts is going to occur. Construction vehicles have to be parked off site. They are not to be parking in the neighborhood on streets. And then as you had mentioned as well, we did agree to a $10,000 commitment to help enforce the residential permit parking district that already does exist on Shirley and Gibson Street. It's signed there today, but it's not enforced at all. Did I have an insight into the police departments enforcement of that myself with an employee there? But the problematic part of that and what we need to hear and what was discussed in this under-ill while back is that a two-hour parking limit isn't going to work if people are coming into the restaurant and parking there when I have people coming out and trying to park. So the idea was can you create a permit only parking for the residents on that street and for Gibson and Shirley? Because you're going to fill it up with restaurant parking and my people will not be able to come home to their houses. Yeah I can talk a little bit about this. So I live behind Founders Road 2 so we're having this exact same conversation about permit parking. Street to public, right? This is what we've heard from the city, right? Street public. So I think there's no, until there is an official permit zone, that is, like you're describing the thing that is probably, if there's a two hour permit zone and becomes an enforcement, a question of enforcement, what I can say is that what the conversation we've had is post construction. We're now going through the permitting process and the conversation around permitting. So I don't know if it's part of this particular piece of the discussion. It's a city in conversation with the city. They're offering the same concession that Mill Creek did for founders of R2, which was funding the enforcement of the permitting and creation of the part, well, in our area, it was a creation of a permitting zone, but it here, the enforcement. So that's a conversation with DPW and the city. Correct. After I mean, there is this hard stop that says, yes, I can park there for two hours, go enjoy a meal. My person's coming home, we'll not be able hours go enjoy a meal. My person's coming home will not be able to get it go to their house Yes, that is that is the challenge right like that's a conversation My solution is a good thing to yeah, I just I don't think the solution is part of this particular piece It's okay. I'm happy to also talk to you as my request. Yeah, no, I get it It's a hard stop people can't come home. Yeah, we are we the people folks live behind founders or two The exact same situation I'm not sure if I can get it. Yeah, no, I get it. It's a hard stop. People can't come home. Yeah, we are, the people, the folks who live behind, found a show too. The exact same situation I'm happy to talk to you afterwards, about just advice, citizen to sit and about, like what we call through. I mean, I traveled to that up a smorgan when I was a kid. I know what it's like. Yeah, Ms. Arsene, did you have something that you wanted to add? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I was just going to say our planning department has a transportation group. Ah, sir. Sir, our planning department has a transportation group. And going on on what Mr. Polinsky said, you submit a, you submit, they do a study and start the Permit process and they would come out and put the permit Sorry, I'm losing my words tonight put the permit program together and then submit it for the neighborhood So our office would do that Dpw and Sure, yeah, yeah, miss miss underhill would forward it to us. Yes. The hard stop is to our party. Our apartments of these have a city to Adam's for. They're doing it with founders or two too as well right now right behind it. So it's it's it's happening with the newer development. So this is not something that okay well we're, we're concerned very fascinating as this is. Sure, and Miss Underhill can email me or... I can give you my card after two, so I wear it wear. Thank you. I think, Mr. Thank you, Miss Arsena. Mr. Duncan raised and maybe raised his hand. Yes. Mr. Duncan, go ahead, please. Thank you. Maybe we don't want to carry this on, but I'm just curious. So my understanding from what I heard is those residents of the quad do not have any parking except on street. Is that right? That's true. That's I think that particular building, not all of the. Right. Yeah, but that particular building has... When you rent there, you know that there is no designated parking for you on the property that you have to park on the street. Is that right? If so, that's a little different than the situation down below on Founders Row 2 on West Street, for instance, where I live, where most people have some kind of driveway that I can pull off the park in. Anyway, I guess this will be a discussion for later but I just be curious to know how many places in town are rented with no provision for on property parking at all. It sounds like a good question to look into along the way. It looks like there is some parking for the first, I'm just doing Google Maps for the first like three units or so, but yeah, between there. It's a good thing to keep an eye on. Okay, thanks. Madam Chair, I have to... So the voluntary concession talks about the $10,000 to go towards the establishment of a residential permit parking district. Now there is signage, there is signage, restricting to two hours or whatever it is on Gibson and Shirley Street, but it's not enforced today. the city controls curbside management and utilization because they are public streets. We don't have any control over it, but to Ms. Arson, I would imagine that once this money is in the kitty and they are able to start establishing it, they will probably reach out to neighbors and figure out what is the appropriate amount of time. If you recall the area in Lyon, Village, it's right behind Clarendon, started out about 15 years ago at about two hour parking, but now it's basically 24 hour parking. Because it's just so of truth, they're having such a problem with it. So, except for the residents, that's right. But I'm sure that the city would probably do that investigation, and then come up with a plan, a plan and then have the appropriate signage. Thank you. Because I think for winter, winter here for a while that there was discussion of that type of a plan, you know, a resident parking plan. So, I don't think it was ever achieved, but it is in place. Yeah, and winter here overnight resident only starting at 9 p.m. I think. So maybe that's the pressure. They have to get like hang tags though or stickers. And each neighborhood is different, right? Each neighborhood is different. Yeah, I think there's a different rule in place for a lot. Yeah. So yeah, staff will look at the facts and do the research and we'll be working with the neighbors. Thank you for raising the question. Okay. Is there any further discussion questions? I've not just have a recommendation on the order that we should be doing the two motions and should we do the... You can just do the... Yeah, for the record, this is 10 raised to 10. Yes, I think it first should be the subdivision. The subdivision. Yeah. And then the side plan. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Would somebody like to make the motion for the subdivision? I can do that. So whereas the Planning Commission finds that the approval of the subdivision application meets all applicable requirements of chapter 38 subdivision regulations and whereas the proposed subdivision application is to consolidate the existing three parcels and the final subdivision plan must be signed off by the chair of the planning commission prior to recordation. And now therefore I move that the planning commission approved subdivision application units 2023-0129 to consolidate the existing three parcels into one parcel contingent on administrative staff review and the final on the final subdivision plat. Excuse me, Medinature. You had to close the public hearing. Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you for the reminder, Mr. Singh. We'll close the public hearing. Yeah. Okay, so we have a motion. Do we have a second? A second. Mr. Trainer, can you do a roll call vote please? Yep. Mr. Polinsky. Aye. Our guest. All right. Mr. Stevens. Yes. Mr. Friedlander. Yes. Mr. Kruvinsky Mr. Duncan Yes Chair coma. Yes, thank you the motion passes Thank you Point of order. I'm sorry. Oh, thank you. What's the public hearing officially opened madam chair? Yeah, okay All right, I just wanted to make sure okay. thank you very much. Yeah, we opened the public hearing and we have closed the public hearing. Thank you. Would somebody like to make the motion for the site plan? I'll make it. Yes, thank you. Okay, I'm making a motion for the site plan application. Whereas the planning commission finds that the approval of the site plan and related waivers and modifications meets all applicable requirements of division seven site plans, including section 48-1141 of the zoning ordinance. And whereas the proposed site plan for the development of a mixed use senior living facility. And now therefore I move that the Planning Commission approved the site plan application number 2023-1-0129 and the requested waivers and modifications to permit the construction of the mixed use building. Contentioned upon the applicant resubmitting an updated final site plan and subdivision plan to be reviewed administratively and approved by the planning director that addresses the following. 1. Sanitary sewer, the applicant will add a note on the site plan that a sanitary sewer force main arrangement needs to be approved before the as-built plan is submitted. And two, development review committee DRC comments, all remaining DRC staff comments on the third site plan submission shall be addressed as attached, including comprehensive sign plan comments. Great. Thank you, Mr. Friedlanders, our second. Our second. Second with Mr. Stevens. Mr. Trainer, can you do a roll call vote, please? Mr. Polinsky, yes. Mr. Stevens. Yes. Ms. Friedlander. Yes. Mr. Krovensky. Yes. Mr. Duncan. Yes. And Chair Koma. Yes. Thank you, the motion passes. Great. Thank you. And thank you very much. Thank you to staff for all of your hard work on this project. And thank you to the applicant. We look forward to seeing it. All right. We can move on to our next couple of action items which are our minutes. minutes. So you need any changes to the minutes from the meeting on February 19th. No? Clean? All good? Emotion to approve? I'll make the motion to approve the minutes from the 19th. Is there a second? All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. And Mr. Duncan. Great. What about the minutes from March 5th, 2025? Any changes? Okay. Okay. Motion to approve. I'll second it. Okay, so Mr. Krovinsky with the motion. Mr. Polinsky with the second all in favor. Aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. Thank you. All right. We have no work session items. So I think we are on to information items. Any planning commissioner reports? I have one at Sa in with the AAB and discussion of both the new site plan for the ICONIs. ICONIs? Not sure if you pronounce that. ICONIs. How did I say it held out? I've only ever read it. Discussion similar to our previous discussion about that. They also had an opportunity to look at the, some proposed changes are possible changes to the bowling alley. Uh, it looks like there is a new, um, if not a new owner, prefer like potential new owner. The Bolero is the new owner. No, they're well, I don't know the Bol America. So the Bol America building, but renaming it lucky strike. Yeah. Okay. I didn't know if that's Bolero's another brand of Bolero. I'm not sure. It might be. Yeah. But there was some discussion of the signs there and it was a very insightful discussion of it and it was I think they're if we're following the what the A.B. had to say that probably go back to the dry board a little bit on sort of what they were posing. So I think there was some issues with they wanted to place that sign in a location that we needed a little bit of right away for the roundabout. Roundabout there and there was a very long exchange about the signage. So it's a lack of response I think. Yeah I think yeah. And not sure what's going on there, but it was an interesting discussion. Okay. Thank you. Any other reports? Please. So the Parks and Rec board, they are starting to think about the semi-quinsentennial, which which is the 250th year anniversary of 1776. And so they are looking at kind of, they're starting to kind of collect ideas of things that we've done in the past, maybe for the bicentennial and some other things to try to get ahead of it so that we're not planning it the last minute. So just next year, keep an eye out for some communications coming for that. Right, thank you. Okay, anything else? All right, then I think that brings us to the director's report, Mr. Zhang. Thank you, Madam Chair, members of the planning board. We only have three items on the Director's report tonight. The first one is the Commission's annual advance, which has been scheduled. It will be on March 26, Wednesday, as discussed during the last planning commission meeting. I have the schedule here today. I will just read this through very quickly. The good news is that Panera Brad dinner will be provided. So the meeting was started at 6.30 and first 10 minutes will be introduction on objectives of the meeting. The second item on agenda is comprehensive plan status and needed update schedule and priority. That will be the staff presentation and also followed by discussion. Hopefully we'll be done in 30 minutes. The third item is cottage housing status and post-developmentvement reporting. That's also a staff presentation and then followed by a discussion. Hopefully it will be done in 30 minutes. Number four on the agenda will be 2025, planning division, work plan and calendar. Of course, the format will be the same staff presentation and discussion scheduled for 30 minutes. The last item will be a planning commission, future work plan, interest and priority. We are located 45 minutes for this discussion. The second item on this Director's report is no-over park memo to Dominion Energy Corporation Tree Cartying. This issue has been raised during the Monday Council meeting as well. Actually, they already started carting. They're going to cut the whole 33 miles of the WLD trail and the first four miles already started so the impact they describe us amazing basically they cut down everything I think it's not like brush clearing it's cutting down entire trees all the trees because their interfere with the power line pretty much anything that's in the right away in. In the right of it? Yes. I think in this memo, the director, Gilbert, proposed several things. Why is to increase the tree height, the definition, I think the dominion gave anything cannot be more than 10 feet high. Actually, pretty much leave no trees at all. So they suggested to increase that to 20 feet. That's in line with the national standards of a tree. They also asked for increased metal planting for the pollinator. They believe that's not enough, so they ask for more trees and shrubs to be planted. And then the NOAA Park also offer to identify those native trees, which will not be high enough to interfere with the power line. So basically that's the summary of that memo. The last one is the missing link update. I think we have two attachment here. One is good. Let's go ahead and ask a quick question about the tree hunting. Is that this summer that they're gonna do that? Or have they already started? No, they already started. They already started. They're gonna be at the rest and I think they're... The first four miles are are leaving cut yeah when would they start in false church I don't know that we know that Oh okay we're if yeah it was it we sort of presumed that they're going to do the whole trail they're starting this in Vienna but I think they're headed west that's more of a question if we don't know if we made the request for 20 feet do we do were that they already just like did they already cut down the tree? They already made a plan to cut down the trees. I don't know at least for the four miles They did they did cut down everything. Okay. I think in this memory just to suggest it I think in the memory is they did much twol. Okay, so it's quite recently like this week so I't know, I don't know the direction they're cutting, you know, but I think what I heard from Monday, the city council planned to send out some letter and then maybe they can do, they can't have a plan to do more they just simply send a letter. Okay, I was just curious if we had heard back. Like you said, it was a relatively recent submission. I didn't know if this was one of those things where it gets lost to the mail and then they lost to the mail. So they just get it done before. They have a chance to respond. Yeah, but thanks for the information. Thank you. The last thing on the report is the missing link update. We have two attachment, one is the city manager's report. Basically it's in the attachment and then this report gave background information about what this program is. And then they also provide evaluation priority. Basically, they divide it into four tiers. And then they have also discussed possible funds. It will be available to do this. I think according to the report in FY 2026, there are about $650,000 has been allocated for this effort. The second attachment to this is the DPW operational report. Basically, it's a six months update on what they have been done under this program. Yeah, I think that's the quick summary of those two memo. Was that if you have any question? Can I ask what is probably a dumb question for the missing links and the sidewalk repairs information. Do we define sidewalks as square sidewalk things next to people's houses or next to roads as opposed to or the big brick ones on frost rate as opposed to the entrance and exits for the WNOD like the ones that get you on and off the bridge going across Broad Street. They have their 40 years basically giving the program name is Missing Link so basically they try to fill the gap. I think the first priority is to you know those sidewalk wall had to meet the Pro-Wek and the ADA standards. I think that's their first priority. The second priority is that if the street was outside the block, that's the place they want to. Yeah, but the ones on the road street, that would be... Is that considered part of the street scape plan? The city street scape plan? There's the entrance, so next to the bridge, that goes next to the car dealership, the FSEAuto, and then the one that goes next to the bridge next to West Empire. There are those like entrance and exitways off the bridge that are really rough shape. I didn't know they followed. Fall into the sidewalk repairs or if that's a separate WNOV. I think that's probably like a trail. I don't know which group it's probably a dumb question. But like just I know what you mean it does need to be fixed. No, I just didn't know if it was a like, is this part of this sidewalks or it has to be like a official sidewalk, sidewalk means something specific that is not the WNODE entrance exit thing. Yeah, I guess so. It's a sidewalk sidewalk. It's not a linkage to it's a walkway on the side of the WNOTA. Maybe it's past week. Oh, there's some street leads to here on the... Yeah, that's why I got my curiosity. It was this sidewalks repair. The six month old daily enough we could get those two things in this, like you said, it might be part of something that needs to be solved with NO Nova Park. Is it this sort of area? Yeah, that area. Yeah. It's those aren't really roughshakes. These are like I think when we were talking sidewalks, we were talking. Yeah, the things that have the square. The things that go in front of people's houses that have the squares. Yeah. Okay. This is I think is more of a like a off-streak trail. I just didn't know if in terms of budgetoff-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off updated or maintained. Do you know how those priorities are being made? Mr. Singh? I have no idea. But we can find out for you in the meeting. Yeah, sorry. I'm just asking because we haven't been talking about it. It's not a immediate action type of thing. Okay. I had a question on the advance agenda with the cottage housing item. I'm just wondering if there was a staff proposal to kind of upgrade the cottage housing ordinance about five years ago. It was Carly Aubrey, who was the person on staff who developed that. And unfortunately, about the time she left the work on that stopped. It'd be great if you could find out whatever her legacy. I found it in Santa to Gary. Oh you did, okay great. It was February of 2020, which might be why there was no further discussion. With COVID coming out. Yeah. Yeah. the sort of like, she had like five or so different recommendations. Right. For four different recommendations for ways of that ordinance could be changed. So I asked Gary to include it in the materials. Will you post materials for the advance? Yes. Yes. Good. Yeah, so if we could, that's where I was headed. Yeah. Yeah, sorry to interrupt you. No, no, no, that's just, we got there. But yes, I found out I sent it to Gary, and there's a video too if you'd like to watch the discussion. It's interesting. There's a different cast of characters and in February 2020 on council. Rechange. Pretty one of our colleagues. So I wish you're here, Mr. Duncan. Yeah, you can rewatch that video if you want to listen to the discussion, you know, there more than just like what's in the staff report. What was the date? Early February of 2020. Will you put a link to that in the agenda materials? Yeah, I can dig that up and circulate that for folks. I mean, I'm sure we won't get into My new detail on that but it would be nice to know the context of What was thought about five years ago and that may inform our discussion sure Yeah, it was two three twenty Every third 2020 Okay, can I answer a question about the advance? So, when do you think we'll see the advanced material for the advance? Will we see your presentations? You said, you mentioned a couple times, staff presentations will start off the discussion. Yes. We'll see those presentations before the advance. Tomorrow evening, right? Thursday evening? Regular posting time, right? Yeah. We always aim, yeah, to post that Thursday before a meeting. Great. I'll check in with Gary on where some of those other things are because we've been focused on this meeting. Or at least I have. But I know Gary's been working on the organizing and gathering the materials for the advance while checking with him about those staff presentations. Because I know that's maybe a separate piece compared to the rest that's on the agenda in terms of what Gary and I would be producing. So we'll have an answer for you. And will we have a staff presentation on the cottage housing? Is ours? Or? Well, as Mr. Stevens said, the expert no longer works here. But I'm sure we can put something together some sort of informational summary piece in addition to the past presentation materials in meeting video. That'd be great. Just for the new folks who are looking at that agenda item and want to get a little background on it. Yeah. That February 3rd 2020 meeting was very informative. Okay. And you can go back in the archives and you can watch the, watch, I would recommend watching the meeting and reviewing those materials. I don't think we've had anything else. I couldn't find anything else in the search on cottage housing since then. Got it. There was a lot of discussion on the original ordinance but that goes back. 2016. When I started on what planning commission was 2017. 2017. Yeah. Got it. Got it. And just as long as we're talking about staying organized, the online agenda starts us at 730, and the one you, the hard copy you just handed out, starts us at 630. Mr. Fuller mentioned that there was a typo. Oh, OK. Yeah, so the 630 is the start time as long as that works for everybody. Yeah, sounds great. I think that's more appropriate if we're doing sort of a box dinner. And the only other comment that I have having been through a number of these we didn't call them advances retreats. I think there is a potential for a lot of redundant discussion between 2025 work plan and calendar and planning future work plan and interest in priorities. So I think it's just going to be difficult to keep the conversation from repeating itself. I think we need to be a little bit careful with facilitating that, so we don't dive. And particularly when you look at the comprehensive plan status and priorities, so we have at least three agenda items that are going to talk about planning priorities, and we have to be a little bit careful about becoming redundant in that conversation. So otherwise, I think it's a great agenda you Yeah, based on the last meeting that we had Yeah, thank you very much. I believe 2025 most of the work program are already in place. I think the discussion is basically give us some update and then what do we try to do with that? And then future work basically try to identify the future priorities, basically. Got it? Yeah. So what's on our wish list that staff is not currently working on, but that we would like to, you know, be able to request counsel to direct them to work on. It's good to remember that we can't ask staff necessarily to do anything, but counsel can. So we can lobby counsel for our priorities. So we might be primarily on the receive mode on the 2025, just in terms of listening. Yeah, we're going to be, that'll be a listening session. And we had a good readout on that. I think it was in November. Last year, I think. Yeah, late in November. So it would be great to have an update on how things are going, especially with the new staff and just a refresher on everything. I know there were some things that were sort of like, we'll do these if we have the resources. And there was some important things on that list. I can't remember exactly what was in that. A meeting. sort of like, we'll do these if we have the resources. And there's some important things on that list. I can't remember exactly what was in that immediate wish list at the moment. But yeah. Well, I just remember one city council meeting where Mr. Stoddard very specifically said, every year city council gives me 70 priorities. I have the ability to do 30 priorities. Right. I make the decision because nobody else is making that decision about what 30 priorities to work on. Yes. So. Yeah. I think we're not in that situation anymore. If I'm correct, I think we have now like sort of broad, city council has broader priorities and it's really up to staff to decide what are the actual projects that we're going to execute on. That's my understanding. If that's not the case, please correct me. I think so. They now give us strategic priority and then we just follow those, those not very specific project animal. They just give you broader priority, I think. But of course, whatever the program we have, well I had to discuss with them, get the future, I mean specific guidance on it. Did you have another comment, Mr. Steven? Nope, that's all. Okay. Anything from you, Mr. Duncan? I don't want to forget about you. No, I don't think so. That covers most of what I'm interested in hearing a little discussion next week about the situations like on Least Street where T-Zones are basically beginning to you know seed development one one row in from Broad Street. I don't think that's probably going to be the only one like that. I'm just looking at the agenda and trying to figure where that discussion comes in not so much specific application, but just the concept of tapering down from broad street into the residential neighborhoods is seen differently by some of the others. To some tapering down, you know, commercially used townhouses, single-family homes. To others, it's commercially used boom, single-family homes and others. It's commercially used boom single-family homes, and that's going to be a point of some contention in the future, I think, is assuming that we continue to attract development and desire to attract development. That might be a good thing. I mean, I wonder if we can squeeze it in in number five. Or in number two, the comprehensive plan status. I don't know. I know the land use chapter is probably due for an update. I don't know where that is on the priority list for staff or us. But that could be something that's where we, I think, set the zoning map and the future land use map. It would be helpful, I think, maybe to have a little bit of background on the future land use map. And when and when and how those decisions, those sort of parcels, it's a little inconsistent across those cross streets, like how far, how many parc in, it goes, you know, the future T parcels. Sometimes it's just one, sometimes it's two, so hard to know why those decisions were made. It would be nice to have a little more context. And also just when, you know, when was that feature line used, map, done, that included the T zones? When was it originally created in that form? Yeah, I don't know that we have a history of, could use the way back machine. Maybe I think I've seen one with date. They have dates on the bottom of them. And so there's one that I printed out and that has a date of 2015 on it that shows that on it and then there's the recent one that was signed on 2023 or something like 2022 yes September of 2022 so it's not like it's this immediate I mean it's been it's been a while long time I think it might even be as old as 2006 I think that might have been a a date that the resident who wrote with some concerns about the potential future rezoning of those parcels, she cited 2006. But I don't. Well, this one is dated March of 2023. Yeah, that was the last time it was updated. So it's. it's, it's, um, it gets updated when there's a special exception or, you know, I have an application that I've been exacted on all. All this is good conversation. And then I would like to hear more about it next week with a little foundation and, yeah, information, I guess, that I don't have a hand right now. So, or do I recollect what I said five years ago or whatever it was I guess often you know the discussion goes on and circles around and whatever until Some sort of development application comes in and then it's like up that focus is our attention on the fact that All the things that you just talked about are not necessarily all known or consistent or updated or whatever. So something something forces action that would be nice to get out in front of that action forcing event. Anyway, thank you. Great. Thank you, Mr. Duncan. So the advance will be in dogwood over here. so it's a little bit more informal for our new members, which is nice more of a conversation. So I'm looking forward to it. One request, I think I emailed Mr. Fuller, but I believe I'm on the agenda to present the annual report to City Council on the 14th of April, but I'm gonna be at a town. So we could push that a little later. I think the idea is that after our discussion of our hopes and dreams for our future priorities, we would update the last page of our in your port. And then I would be presenting those priorities to council. Does that sound right? It does. Sounds right. OK. Yeah, so just not the 14th. I'll be in Seattle. Sure. I like the idea of calling it the hopes and dreams session, than the itself. Our hopes and dreams. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So that's it on the agenda. Did you want to talk about the look ahead, Mr. Polinsky? Yeah, I just wanted to talk through the schedule just to understand a little bit. So since I'm relatively new to the planning commission, I just wanted to make sure I understood sort of the future schedule with the works with the advance next week. Looks like we're proposing to cancel the scheduled meeting on the second. Yes, yes sir. This April second has been canceled. Okay. And then the next one will be April 16th. Okay. We have two item tentatively right now. Who is the Equalizer Cyplyn final consideration an action? The second will be a football leaving policy walk session It is the reason that we don't go two weeks later because there's five weeks in April We always meet on the first and third Wednesday the month not just every other week. Yeah. Got it. Okay. Yeah. You're off the hook. Go ahead for that fifth Wednesday. Can you do bedtime that night? Next meeting after that, after April 16, we'll be May 7. We have one items brought in Washington Eastman vacation action. That one had to go to the council first and then come back to the planning commission. After May 7, the next meeting will be June 4th. We have only one thing. It's a photo book, living policy action plan. That's all for now. Okay, I'm sure there will be more. Thank you, Mr. Zang. Thank you. Any other discussion, questions? 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