you you you you you you Thank you. I'm Terry Latner and I'm here on behalf of a young six-generation D'Alanite Matthews Daniel Snodgrass and would like to ask for a proclamation in Matthews honor. Matthew was born on May 10th in 2018. He comes from a long line of Dennell and residents. His great, great, great grandfather moved here in 1898 and what was one of the original founders, Mayor Justice of Peace in Dennell and eventually building a home on Park Avenue in 1902 and raised a family here and that continued on to the line of Matthew's nod grass. Matthew was born in 2018. In 2019 it was discovered that Matthew had leukemia and he would spend the next couple of years fighting the battle with leukemia. And ultimately in 2021 he passed away from leukemia. We really got to know Matthew through the rainbow river pageant. He had entered the tiny Mr. D'Anelan pageant and everyone in the pageant just fell in love with him. For some of his darkest days, he was a light to everyone that he met and came in contact with. And so when he passed away, the Rainbow River Pageant and his honor, his father, actually, the day of the pageant got up and spoke and told Matthew's story and said that he told us all that he was just too ill to be there and ultimately a year later he ended up passing away. But the Rainbow River Paget dedicated an award in Matthew's name called the Tater Tott Award. His father's nickname was Tater and they named him Tater Tott. So that award is given off of Matthew's inspiration and courage to anyone in our community can can nominate someone that they feel is a hero, a shining light in our community, an inspiration just like Matthew was. Unfortunately, we were going through the pandemic at the time of Matthew's sickness and illness and this happening with the rainbow pageant and I feel like the COVID kind of overshadowed his death and this award that we created in his honor. We've tried to advertise it in the paper and online but it just hasn't taken off for the recognition that I feel like it should get. I do not think that there's any other award given to a deno and to anyone, to our community that honors a local hero or, you know, someone in the way that the tater taught does. Anyone in the community can nominate anyone that they, you know, feel like is deserving of that. So I'm asking that May 10th Matthews birthday become a proclamation that May 10th is an Matthew Daniel Snodgrass Day and I'm hoping that that can bring some more light to the Tater Tott Award that we have going. I'd love to see more people nominated in our community and just more information and get out the word more about the Tater Tott Award. That it is available to heroes in our community. So that's why I'm here today. We can all be happy to answer any questions. Terry, as I think you and I have kind of talked about on the phone, it's probably too late to get, well no, May 10th is next month. I'm sorry, my mind's already in May. Sorry about that. It's okay. So, if anybody doesn't have an objection, I would be happy to write a proclamation with you with the guidance of our city clerk, because I she's a little swamp right now and maybe put it on Do the May 5th workshop and we could do that if that's acceptable to everyone Well, thank you and then we vote on it on, or do we go to him saying we're okay with that tonight and then just present it to them on the fifth? You could vote on it tonight, but given that the proclamation just consensus would be sufficient before it was anything like that. All right, I'll entertain a motion if we do such. I proudly request that we have made ten proclamation prepared for Matthew Daniel Snaudgrass on May 10th. I know the family will be honored. Any discussion? As a second, any discussion? All those in favor say aye. All right. Thank you. She's your unanimous, Terry. Thank you. And I will add, you know, I want to dad while you're up here to recognize Lydia Mills. Yes. She was totally surprised. And what a great thing that was to see her recognize. So Lydia was the only nomination that we got for the Tater-Tot Award. And I don't know if any of you were there but Lydia also is I think a seventh, seven generations here in NLN worked in the community for local mergers carried a real estate license, a hair stylist license. She worked very closely with the Mee's Lodge in their Angel Tree project, which the Angel Tree makes sure that less fortunate children, every Christmas, are provided with gifts and families are provided with essentials during the holidays. And then she's also pretty much the key component to why the Rainbow River Pads still happen. In 1988, she took them over using a lot of her own personal funding to make sure that they stayed a part of the Vingtail Day festivities. So we she was who received the Tater Tott award at Vingtail Days but those are the types of people that we like to recognize in our community with that award and we hope to you know that it can go on forever here in Den Allen. It's a great effort, Terry. It's a great effort. And you see the Council's unanimous support of your efforts and the community's efforts. We appreciate it. And it's really, really wonderful to see Lydia surprise. I know that look on her face. I've seen that look on her face on a whole lifetimes, as I've seen with you our whole lifetimes. So I knew that she was surprised. She was surprised and very deserving of it. Yes, she was. Yes, she was. Thank you, Terry. Is there anyone else who would like to speak on an on-agenda item? Okay, we're not seeing anyone. We'll move on to the consent agenda. We've set public comments on the consent agenda. Is anyone wishing to speak on any item on the consent agenda this evening? I am seeing no one. I may if we accept the consent agenda as presented. A second. There's a motion on the floor in a second discussion all those in favor say aye motion carries We'll now move on to the regular agenda Item 1a Agreement a gr2025 that show nine for law enforcement services and we'll now accept public comments on item 1A. Is anyone present? It would like to speak on item 1A. I am seeing no one. I will entertain a motion. I move we accept. Let's see. Authorize the mayor to sign agreement, HER 2025-09 with Mary and County Sheriff's Office and the Board of County Commissioners for law enforcement services. There's a motion on the floor. Second. Discussion? Any discussion? Okay, just a reading this.. The school's own program, that the money will now go to. Stay there. What? Stayed in the city. That's fine. It's included, but I'm not limited to those. Which page are you on? I'm on page four at the very bottom and then it says, would ordinarily be entitled person to 316 and finds and funds attributable to Dunnell and school's own camera program. Ron, would you like to address this at this point. There's a question concerning the fines on the traffic regulations and the schools on the paragraph on Cedar Street. current program we have in place, those revenues will be retained by the city. Now you have other traffic infractions that will occur throughout the city that the Sheriff's Department will be enforcing and they will be entitled to their portion of that which is for training etc. that's issued mandated by the state of Florida. Okay so I understand now I've re-read it again I must have missed something earlier. Okay no problem any other questions? Is anybody have any Any questions on it? Ron? Thank you for all the questions. Any other discussion items? Yes. Jeff, Valerie, any questions? No, I'm good. Do you have anything? No, sure. There's a motion on the floor in a second. Any further discussion? All those in favor say aye. All. Motion carries. Move on to item number two, resolutions. Mr. Mayor, before we move on to item two, it didn't hit the agenda, but it falls in with item one A. If it's appropriate, I'd like at this time here, we were waiting until we voted for the contract to make a motion to a point I wanted to make a motion to appoint Captain Ron Bray to be the Don LPD chief and was just simply waiting until the contract had gone through the county and everybody else before making that motion. I can I can attest it. I can attest that the county commissioners were unanimous. Right. Yesterday morning I offered an opportunity to discuss concerns or questions and that we're not. I had actually met with all our county commissioners when I was in tell I asked in a week before and I had time to discuss with them also individually. So it has been approved by the county commissioners and this is the final step for us. So if unless the council objects, I don't have a problem with Vice-Marianne Keeps suggestion that we go ahead with the appointment. Just as long as we ask for public comment. Oh, we will. Yeah, that's why. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I just want to be sure that everyone's because it's not only agenda in the addition. Is it agreeable that we agreeable? It's okay. All right. Let's just see. No, I'm right now. And then we'll take public comment after your motion. OK. I'd like to make an emotion to a point, Captain Ron Gray to the Dunham Police Department Chief, to be effective, May 15th, wants the temporary agreement with the Mary County Sheriff's Office expires. Isn't it the 13th? 13th, I'm sorry. Isn't that correct? 13th? You got it. I got tax damage on my mind. There is a motion on the floor. Is there a second? Second. All right. There is a second. Now we'll, so everyone understands exactly what is taking place. There is a motion on the floor in a second to a point, Captain Ron Bray, as the chief of police as far as the city charter is concerned, his responsibilities has related to the city of Dunnellin. So this would be his position after the 13th of May when the actual transition totally takes effect. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to address this issue? Any concerns, questions? Seeing no one, I'll open it for council comments. Any one in the council like to comment on this? I heard you have anything. Now we got this kind of a central job function and I assume that's what we're going to have on Doug. Everything and this will send out this week. No, I reviewed that. I think Ron's done a wonderful job with this transition and also thank he's very open to communicate with Mayor County Sheriff and our lieutenant. And I see no reason why we wouldn't want to do that at this time. Did you have any follow-up to him? No, sir. Take it. All right. There is a motion on the floor and a second we've had discussion. We've had public comment opportunity. I'll ask for the vote. All those in favor say aye. All right. Those opposed? Motion unanimous. Congratulations. Congratulations, Chief. We're happy for you. I have to change your name again in my cell phone. OK. Is there anything else we need to tie into this? Does anybody have anything else they want to discuss before we move on to item number two? If I may, I'm just making sure that everything we have all the new officers on and the other officers have all my dogs. Did you want to take an opportunity to say anything? You're perfectly... Oh, I see it. I can see it. I think you've had a lot to do. I don't blame you a bit. But this has been a wonderful transition for the city of Dunnellan. And to get unanimous support from our county commissioners yesterday was a sure sign of their understanding. It's a benefit for our Dunnell Allen. And we certainly appreciate it. Thank you for everything, Julie. Anybody else have anything on that full week of all? All right, well then we will now move on to item number two. Resolutions two, eight. I really have night. Five, so I'm generally. Tonight. Not you, Ron. Resolution RES 2025 National 9th Vacation Rental Registration Extension. We'll now accept public comments on this particular item. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to address this particular item? Seeing no one. Is the council have any comments to make on this before we go into a motion? All right, I'll entertain a motion. I move the resolution in RES 2025 dash on 9. Be good by title only. Second. There's a motion on the floor in a second discussion. All those in favor say aye. I don't know if they say aye. Okay. Okay. Do you want to do it tonight? Is this the, uh, did it get changed to June 1 for us? No. Uh, vice mayor Inskeep and I talked about this late this afternoon. Um, we have been settled with yet another task from DEP, which has to take priority. Um, and we can talk about that a little bit more, I need to push this out to June if I can. I don't know if we can amend this resolution on the fly, Andrews. Yes. The Proprisidious needed to go ahead and read it first. Okay. Well, I see there's a, it's in the title. So, you can go ahead and take direction to amend that and then revise it and read it. Resolution is going to be done in the fly. So to basically I would get council consensus to change it to the date that you want, then revise the resolution to reflectances in the title, the date that you want, and then have the resolution read. Okay. Does the council have any direction to mandate other than what she has recommended? No, sir. No. No, sir. Well, good. And you're suggesting June 1st? June 1st. Is it the consensus of the council that we go ahead with that? Yes, sir. Okay. So all you'd have to do is amend the date. Point, Mandy. So you have a motion in a second to read by title only. If you take a vote then I'll read it by title with the amended date. Okay. So you want us to reread the motion? No, you just have to vote. All right, is there any further public discussion? Any further council discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries unanimous. Resolution number RES 2025-09, a resolution of the city of Denell and Florida, providing for the extension of the enforcement of the registration requirements set forth within ordinance 2020-05 to June 1st, 2025, providing for severability conflicts and an effective date. I move resolution be approved as red. There's a motion on the floor. All right. Discussion? I think there's just two spots you have to take. Not hearing any? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries the anonymous. Mr. Paul. Was there any more discussion, man,, you want to have on this issue as far as a rental agreement? Yes. OK. Well, Mandy. I'm sorry. Mandy, was there any further discussion you want to have on this as we as we move forward Why we're on on the vacation rental Yes, there's anything else you wanted to add no sir. I'll we'll get into Some other stuff here a little bit But I will go ahead and tell you that we've had quite a bit of Training and testing on the software and that is going really well. So far we're very pleased with how customizable it is. They've been able to do a lot of quirky little things for us to have everything line up with the registration requirements in our ordinance. Mr. Dave Porter has been very helpful in that area as well and has taken his time to sit down with us and go through a lot of the requirements and to determine how inspections are going to be handled by the fire department and how inspections are going to be handled by city staff to ensure that all the requirements of our code are being met. Mandy, and I'm sorry, I'm just remembering this. I had seen in the resolution the forward, it was going to require them to have their application notarized. We have to amend the ordinance. OK. And that's on our list to do. Andrew and I have a couple things that need to be revised in the ordinance. The renewal date and the ordinance is October 1st. But we don't want that to be the case, because we don't want everybody having to pro-rate renewals or initial registrations and then pro-rate that and then everybody, you know, trying to deal with everybody at one time every year. We want to set that schedule to be annually upon initial registration. So we have that and we're taking out the requirement for the notarization because if you recall whenever the ordinance was adopted there was no discussion or consideration being given for software. Everything was going to be, you know, form driven and manual. So we're going to make those ordinance changes in version two and one. Okay. Any other questions from any of the comments? Thank you. Okay. Well then we'll move on to item 2B resolution RES2025-11. FY 2425 Florida Department Environmental Protection FDEB Budget Amendment. I'll accept public comment on this particular item. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to address this particular issue? I am seeing no one. I'm going to obtain a motion re-read by Tyne Lonley. Second. How about us? All right. There's a motion on the floor in a second. Discussion? You need a discussion? No, sir. All right. All those in favor say aye. All right. Motion carries. Resolution number RES 2025-11. A resolution of the city of Denon, Florida, amending the fiscal year 24-25 budget to transfer $5,625 from General Fund unrestricted to fund the permit fee for the NPDES generic permit for discharge of stormwater from Phase 2 municipal separate storm sewer MS-4 system. Okay. I'll entertain a motion. So moved. Is a motion for a second. Second. All separate storm sewer MS4 system. Okay, I'll entertain a motion. So moved. There's a motion. For approval. There's a second. Discussion. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Motion carries. We'll move on now to item number three. First reading ordinance ORD 2025. dashes three stormwater management. Do we have anyone in the audience who would like to address this item? I'm not seeing anyone. I'll entertain a motion to be read by Ty lonely. So moved. There's a motion on the floor in a secondcussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Motion carries. Ordinance number ORD, 2020-503. And ordinance of the city of Dennell and Florida. We're relating to stormwater runoff, sedimentation, and erosion control, construction waste control, and elicit stormwaterions and Discharges. Amending code of ordinances, sub part B, Land Development Regulations, chapter 98, subdivision and land development criteria. Article four, design guidelines, providing for complex, complications, severability, and effective date. Any discussion? I'll entertain a motion. As a motion for approval. Second. There is a second. Discussion. All those in favor say aye. All right. Motion carries. We'll now move on to department reports. Who wants to lead off with a department report? I see Chad staring at Chad. Would you like to hear? We're always glad to hear you, Chad. Well, I guess we kind of do a quarterly update. We're going to start going to the quarterly updates on code enforcement. Some people have got to kind of requested it. So we'll give a quarterly update on our code enforcement. So for this year, so far, we have 26 cases on code enforcement. Nine of them, which were a failure paid business taxes, the business owners had out of them. Nine, we closed seven of them cases. Two of the cases had a second letter sent to them. and as of April it will be they'll have to reserve their final letter and you know next step would be made a straight form. We had 10 property maintenance cases out of them 10 fours closed six of the cases are separate, reinspection between April 18th through May 11th and And then that'll be their second letter also. You get three cases for no permits filed with the city. All the cases have been closed and the people apply for after fact permits. Two cases that fell under our animal control. That people have animals in the city that were there or the ones that they're now allowed to have. Both of them cases have been closed also. We have one case for parking and storage in right-of-ways. That case is closed. We have one case for a person who is living in the camp on the property. That case is also closed. We have nine cases that went to magistrate, out of them nine, five cases ended up with leans on them. One case we have, worked with the attorney for a closure process, we're supposed to end of that. One property filed for a demo permit and the property was demoed and we have two cases that still aren't compliant. We have two cases that work compliant and they are closed. That's what we have for since we came to the year. Questions for Chad? Yes sir. Yeah. Well sorry Chad. My wife's got a lot of questions. I'm sure. Okay. On these cases, when they go to the magistrate, you made a comment. I think it was last meeting or last month that we finally got one that has reached the end and it took 12 or 14 years to get to the end. That was startling to me, but I'm not criticizing, I'm just saying that, just saying startling. What are our fees and how are those fees set when we start assessing people for not doing what they should be doing? Our fees as we get from the magistrate or what fees are issued by the magistrate. Both. Our fees we run, depending on cases, were aggregate about 580 bucks for us to have a magistrate hearing. And that on how many cases we have. Her ruling, I think runs on the severity of the case. That's her court. You know, she hears the case out and the end of her hearing, she determines what finds her opposed or what leads going on. Okay, so we can't control that. No, we can't control it at all. We can make suggestions, but in the end, it's a big problem. Right, right. The go ahead. The one for the third street property, it took it to the long. I can't say that was a process that it just took that long or it was, because it was prior to me. So I don't know if that was lost in the system. And when we started doing a code case on it, we did a research on it, if we already have the leaves on that. Then we started looking at the leaves, we found a dollar amount, value amount, or exceeded the value of the property. So we went ahead and moved forward with the poor code process of taking that property. So I can't say if it was what was done prior to me. Sure, sure. I get it. Again, that long, I know you hadn't been here that long. The magistrate fees are those paid by the city or they paid by the property owner? They are paid by the city. After the ordinance and statute said that we could collect that, but after talking with Andrew, and the attorney general, I guess, made a ruling in a case that says, for much, we can't charge that fee. So we can't charge that fee? We can't collect that fee back. The city just eats that fee. Right. That's part of the process. OK. Could that just seems terribly unfair to me, but that's just me. I don't know the law. And you kind of went through this. Is this something you're going to do now once quarter? We'll do every quarter. Okay. Yeah, what is just doing as we want to magistrate just doing reports on our magistrate findings? But I guess we'll just go through our cases and then we'll run all the cases. Okay, well that seems very enlightening to see that many cases. I didn't realize we had that many. Okay. It's always public record too for anybody who's ever wants to know what's out there or they have questions and what properties are getting violations and non-violations. We have a running law that shows every case we have, and you can see if they're closed, they're the status of that case that's out there. And a lot of complaints we get are on-properties we have cases on. It's just a slow process. I mean, we have to give them their time to come into the clients and then we go through three steps. And then we get to the magistrate and then she gives them another you know whatever time she decides on it again right then we start with the viewing process okay okay this is and I know everybody on campus we got this wonderful little email from my wife a lot of information that's the reason it spur's spurred these questions. Thank you, sir. Not a problem. Very. Thank you for bringing short the public's questions, by the way. Yeah, no. That is, is that what you've done in the last court? Are those all new cases? Yeah, they'll come January to April. June, the start since January. New year, 20, 25. Okay. I just, I didn't know whether it was a continuation of like everything that it finally come to fruition, maybe over to the last year that it just comes to. There are some cases that will carry over that we haven't closed. Okay. But the 26 are from January until present. Okay. cases do have additional cases on it. There's still open. There was still work in. I just heard about it. But the 26 are open. Okay. That's pretty true. And then working with Chad this morning on this early this afternoon, whatever it was, just thought quarterly would be appropriate to keep the council up to speed on what our code stuff actually does look like. Thought monthly might be a little bit too much, but if anybody has any objection to quarterly, we can change it up. Just quarterly just seemed like a- And you can bring it to us if he- It's just something odd, right? Yeah. Sounds important. I don't know very by year and we're running a big spurt with summertime time and properties not being maintained to winter time and stuff those dormant and you know we don't know what's really going on. That's how we're going to find our properties because that there everything grows up and we start getting letters out and we'll find out who's doing what's properties. Gotcha. Is that for closure? The one we were talking about is that the one that we voted on? That's by Cedar Street by the bend? This is on the street. Yeah. How much further on will we on that one going to bid or to be able to sell? We haven't actually foreclosed on it yet. It's still in process with Andrew's team. I know Ryan has been processing it. I know he has a couple of things outstanding. And Chad and I talked about it. He'll be in touch with Ryan. And I'll be in touch with Ryan just to provide an update. So that way you have, you know, it's going on every step of the way with it. And just keep some moving forward. Thank you. These don't typically, sometimes they don't move. They're not super fast, but they don't hang out there forever. It's been my experience either. So just make sure you stand alone. The whole process is a fast. I mean, the only fast thing is all the complaints that come in about them. I mean, the whole process is a time. Oh, yeah. I think we've people and public understand the process and the time it takes because a lot of people don't think there's a lot of things being done, which is a lot of stuff being done behind the scenes, but it's just a slow process. Does the state of Florida have a period even, and what I'm gonna relate it with some of the work I used to do, I know I worked for a lot of financial institutions, and when they went to four clothes, there was a right of redemption where the party had so many months, sometimes up to a year to come back and buy the property, and Valerie, you may know. Yeah, it was like 11 days afterwards. I didn't know what the set of Florida rule was. On, you know, once you fall closed, do they have a right to come back in and settle up and pay everything and whatever. Typically, I think that could be, for code enforcement, maybe a little bit different. I don't recollect, but given that the whole idea of course and see if there's a proper property I mean surely it can be negotiating you can do with it out of that. I believe there is a period that if they do they all think they can. Right. I just like saying some work I used to do we would find that you know we went, did something Alabama, this was a rule, Georgia, this was a rule. I don't know what it is. I think in Alabama they actually have a year because my sister's home. Yes, one year from the date you were born. So I mean, property just sits and it's, my aunt's hated, I can tell you. And one thing I really got stressed too, this is just on regular properties. Right. instead of properly wearing a whole different ballgame. Really? We, we run it to the lean to that's our end of our line. Then you can't go any further. We can. regular properties. Right. When it comes to homestead property, we're in a whole different ball game. Really? We we run it to the lean to that's our end of our line. Then you can't go any further. We cannot take a property that's under that. Mono every state's got different walls. I just want to know what that was. Okay. That's all. Anything else, That's a nice chat. That's a nice chat. That's a nice chat. That's a nice chat. That's a nice chat. That's a nice chat. That's a nice chat. That's a nice chat. That's a nice chat. That's a nice chat. That's a nice chat. That's a nice chat. That's a nice chat. That's a nice dip for me. Okay, I'm looking really sorry. Do you have anything you'd like to bring up to see me? I just thought I'd give you guys an update. I'm still providing information to the auditors. It's requested, you know, back up for seeds, payables, et cetera. I'm still working on the cleanup from BSNA. I did get a confirmation from our auditors that I can go ahead and separate the accounts which will make things a lot more clear as far as for the reserves and things. Is that that one code that you were explaining? Yes. I was wondering if you say. I? I guess is that that one, she was explaining a code to me that it really making it cumbersome to transfer from Mewness to BS and A. So the gave you grace on that. Yes. Awesome. Thank you. Anything else, Sean? Yes. In June, we can expect to hear more from you and more meetings for the upcoming. That is true. Okay. I'm hoping to get things wrapped up sooner so I can give you guys financial updates. Our revenues and expenses seem to be pretty clean. It's just the account, the assets and liabilities and things that I have to work on. And will be you have started the schedule for the budget season yet have you? Not yet. Okay. Anything else, Sean? My vacation fans. Any other questions for Sean? Say else? And did you have something you wanted to eat? She's smiling, so it must be something. I don't think that was a smile, Mr. Mayor. Well, anytime I call her name, I get that same look. Oh, yes. I have several things for you. Uh-huh 513, we are going to hold a joint planning commission meeting with the City Council. Our contracted planners, ADA consultants will be here for several different reasons. We have several applications in process in the community development department. One being a small scale future land use map amendment that will go before the planning commission and for their consideration before it comes to the City Council. And then there is Andrew Helpmout here. The rezone. There is a rezone on the property of 15 acre parcel in Indian code farms. want're wanting to split that. It's being rezoned from agricultural to residential medium density, I believe. Yes, I think R1. For the purpose, simply being that the zoning doesn't match the future land use designation. So it's just a matter of putting it right, the property's already been developed. into three five acre parcels and then they're gonna build. Oh Yeah So there's there's several things like that that we've been working with EDA on There is a proposed waffle house development by the boys and girls club. That one eventually, that is the property and the school board property that we have to change on the future land use map because it's currently public. And that's being changed to commercial. And then at some point Waffle House has also submitted a request for a variance because of the shape of the property is a little odd. So they're looking for some variances on setbacks, but that'll come later. So there's just a lot and rather than ADA having to come to a planning commission meeting and present all this and then come back for a city council meeting in order to save us some money there we we decided to do a joint meeting and that way everyone is here everybody gets the same information They're also going to talk about where they are with the comprehensive plan update so that'll be something that'll be shared with both the planning commission and the Council on the 13th. And that way whenever these items get to the Council level and you're voting on them, EDA will just be able to attend by teams and be able to answer any questions if any more come out of that. So that was the purpose of the joint meeting. If you'll put put that on your calendars, please, for May 13th at 530. And there was an article. And 13th that, yes, sir. It's not the 50th, it's not the 50th. I may have misplaced it, because I'm showing it on my calendar, the 15th, but it's the 13th. Which is a Tuesday, yes, it's Tuesday. I've got it on the wrong day. I'm glad you mentioned that man. I had it on the 13th. It may be just a Tuesday. Tuesday, yes, it's Tuesday. I've got it on the wrong date. I'm glad you mentioned that, man. What's the date? I had it on the 15th. Yes, sir. Okay, I'll change that. My calendar, thank you. What's your next subject? Anything else? The next subject has to do with stormwater and FDEP. I think we've all talked a little bit about where we were with following the audit that we had last August. We got a notification that following that that we were out of compliance in several areas of our storm water permit. And what that resulted in is DEP sending us a, some feedback on some things that we had been back and forth about and had submitted. And so I had worked over the past probably three weeks pretty much with my door closed, developing standard operating procedures and checklists and gathering data that they have asked for. We are now at the stage where they have calculated penalties because we were out of compliance. And the process will be, we will have an opportunity to respond to this. And much of what is in the fee calculation, it still includes things that we've already submitted, like the SOPs and the checklists and policies and procedures, that type of stuff they have, but they haven't reviewed them yet, so they haven't taken them out of that calculation. So once we respond and say, okay, item number one, this is what you asked for, I sent you this on such and such a date. We'll work through that, we have to do that within 14 days. Once that's done, they will recalculate the penalties based on what we've been able to verify and show them that we've completed, and they will issue a consent order. And the consent order will hopefully the what we've done thus far will reduce the penalties that they've preliminary penalties that they've assessed and we will have to enter into a consent order with them and at that point it is still the draft consent order is still negotiable. So if there are things in there that we still don't agree with that we feel like we have accomplished that we you know are there they've reduced the firm but we don't think we've reduced it enough and we want to renegotiate that. Everything is negotiable until the final consent order is signed by both parties. And just for, I guess just a thousand foot elevation of this is we are required to renew our storm order permit every five years. That's why we had the resolution on the agenda tonight because we didn't have it in the budget and we weren't prepared for it. that notice of intent to renew the permit has been completed and sent to them along with the check. And so it's too long on the process for me to try to explain to y'all, I'm gonna count somebody, I won't sit here and bore you with it. But if you wanna come in and sit down, I can, I know a whole lot more about MS4 store more permit requirements than I ever wanted to know But it's it's a really complicated process. There's a whole lot of going back and forth with DEP over things I think we exchanged the ordinance andrew with them maybe four times before they were happy with it. I mean, it was back and forth, back and forth. And it's like, we'll send them what they asked for, they'll send it back, they want something else. We'll send them that, and they'll send it back, they want something else in there. So, it's been quite a task. But- Maybe I had no two, the ordinance, the last time it was updated was updated exactly the specifications. So these are all new exact specifications that have been requested multiple times. Yes. Yes. Interject, they have also had turnover. We're not getting any credit. So the first person dealing with back in December January, no longer works for them. So we get another representative, and they want different stuff. The stuff we submitted that the first one is not what the second one wants. But unfortunately, they have all the teeth. And right now where the fines are at, without splitting hairs, are just underneath 27K. As Manny said, they'll negotiate that with us once we respond to the table that they sent us today. The way we got here is when I go back and review everything, it looks like it's because of, but we didn't really have a process in place. It was more tribal knowledge. And when the city administrator left, the tribal knowledge went with that person. I know there was a few things that happened upon that person. It's departure. My opinion is not real professional. I don't know why it had to happen that way. But so that created a large crack that this fell through. There was no process. There's nothing out there that would flag anybody. You know, once Mandy was brought into her position and certainly once Chad was brought in years later, there's nothing in the process to flag anybody that said, hey, your NOI is due at this point. Until we got the audit notice and that's what flagged everything. And then it's since then it's been we are in the system. And it's not a system that is pleasant to be in. So we're playing catch up real fast. We've done a lot of catch up. Again, I know y'all have seen that don't bother Mandy, know what I'm going to do. Because we knew how serious this was. And the first numbers, it weren't tossing them out at us, but they could be up to, you know, they were telling us, you know, we've seen the numbers as high as $75,000. So two things, it's, you know, storm alert is very important as we all know. It's, we can't be polluting our waterways, and all that kind of stuff. So we're taking a very serious just on that aspect. in the naturally the second aspect is the taxpayers that are going to be paying the penalty. We actually communicated that with them today on the meeting. You know that they can see that we've been doing everything, jumping through every single hoop and we would just hope that they would you know take that into consideration and we're still going to jump through the hoops and get them everything that we need to get down. But I just want to remind them that the taxpayers that are ones that are penalized and I know they hear woe stories from every non-compliant entity that there is. But- And we're not the only ones. Citrus County is going through it right now. I have a neighbor that works for Citrus County and he's been telling me that all of a sudden for whatever reason in the past two weeks they've got got them jumping to foods. Kim Lee Horne, we had to reach out to Allen from Kim Lee Horne to get some of the map GIS map data that we have to create these maps. Allen has been working to try to get the City of O'Cowden compliant for over two years, he said. So, you know, I don't know what the situation is, but, and maybe to make it a perfect storm, you know, read every day, you know, different, and rightfully so, different eco-groups are all over the DEP for, you know, still allowing so much nitrates and stuff to get into the rivers. Two days ago I read where the DEP got a judgment against them for the manatees in Tampa Bay because they were able to prove that DEP did do their job by allowing so much pollutants to go into the Bay which killed the grasses which starvedved demandity, and they just got that judgment against them. So lucky us, that's when our audit's happening. And so I'm guessing they're tightening up and want to make examples out of folks, etc., but this is the reason why we push back the STR thing because for the next week, maybe the next two, this is what we're going to be living and breathing the sleep. So I mean, and I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but when I was in my citizens academy the other day, over at the University of Florida Extension they have the gentleman that do all the water. So I don't know if we can reach out to them. If that would be of any help, I don't even know. But if it is, happy to get you their contact information. Yeah, I think it does point. We've satisfied, we believe we've satisfied all their requirements except for a requirement. And one another one, what was the other one? The other one was the little control SOP. Oh, you did that, right. And it went back and amended element six SOP to include a little control program in that one. What SOP is, it's a site operating plan and they want detail. It's not, you know, we're going to do this, we're going to do that. It's a lot of detail. Fortunately, we're able to go online and find other cities that they have approved and do a little bit of copy and basting to help us get through this. And it's something that they have already approved once before. So hopefully that stops some of the back and forth, you know, that's happening. But we are 100% at their mercy. And if they change staff or whatever, that person wants something different. I literally there was the letter that they put out to us on March 27th. And let's say BMP 3A01 says this and then in the calculation that we got today, it still says this, but something's added to it. So it wasn't like I had an opportunity to even know what they wanted to be able to respond because it was just something that got added to the new list. So it's very convoluted. But I'm going to have to spend a lot of time working on a response back to these items. So that's going to, like Tim said, take up probably another good nearly a week's work in my time trying to get all that gathered. Because I got to go back and look and say, okay, well, if I did this, when did I do it? Where's the email? What was the date? you know who it went to, I just, I got a lot of going backwards to do now to say, this is what we did and you already have it. So. Because instead of reviewing what we sent, they took a week to work up this penalty document. It was part of that. We were really naturally, we were very cordial with them. I was just kind of wondering if it would have just reviewed the documents, just penalty documents, we would only be one item on there to have even maps. But that went over like a lead balloon. Anything we can do to help flip the food into the door? Oh, god. Maybe we'll put a little slot on our door, a prisoner door. We're going to put a little slot on our door like a prisoner door. Well, we want to have it locked from the outside. There you go. I'm going to start bringing my toothbrush and everything to work. I'll just work day and night. Well, this, you know, listening to this and I'm familiar with part of it. I've been busy in different directions and I know this has been a major issue for me and the entire staff and I know Tim has been involved extensively. This is just another example, you know small municipalities and large municipalities with state agencies. Right. To expect that all of a sudden you just drop in with all these changes and all these different requirements. And in a small city like ours has to comply. We don't have a choice. So our staffs are overwhelmed from one issue to the next. And what this does is prohibit the man hours and the staff hours to address the issues that we hope to accomplish in our city. Because we are spending so much time trying to please, at our P's, state and federal agencies, on both ends. And this is a good example of it. This was not intentional. There's no way that anyone should look at the citizens of Don Allen and expect them to have to pay a huge fine when we're doing the very best we can and we've shown every effort to comply once we were aware of the problem and I echo Tim's position that you're actually going to penalize the citizens of a small town when our staff is doing the very best they can to comply with the state regulations and it makes me very sad I see no need in it as long as the city is trying to comply and honestly putting forth and an outright effort to comply I don't see the need for this this this threat of fines and That's how I feel about it and I will express that view to our legislators. I promise you that I will do that immediately. This is not something that we anticipated and we certainly think that our leaders and our legislature need to look at some of these statutes that are regulations and how they're affecting our city and some other cities, possibly like ours. I mean, if O'Calla's getting zapped, I mean, you know they have a bigger staffer. But let me ask, I mean, I get a business notice from y'all when my business licenses do every year. They don't send out a renewal. Yeah, but they'll send you at once it's past it. Well, that's what I'm saying. They don't give you 60 days notice or... No, we get... Is it at the... It's a five-year permit. Right. in at the four year mark, but it's after the four years that they audit every time. It's during the fifth year they audit you on the fourth year. Right. Yes, better way to say it. Much clearer. Because we're in the fifth year of our permanent cycle right now and they audit us on 2324. Well, 2324, some of the things that we were required to do in our N.O.I. And this is another thing I learned. The notice of intent is prepared by the city. And we tell them what we're going to do to meet the requirements of the stormwater permit, the Republic Education, you know, events and things like that. And that's just a very small piece of it. There's four major sections. You've got your SOP for public education and outreach, but you have to define who's going to do what, when, how, how many brochures you're handing out, this and that, you have to report all that every year. Then you have another element that is strictly a list of discharge, detection and elimination. And so you have to have an SOP for that and a checklist. And then we have to show them, here's our SOP, here's our checklist and take screenshots of our BSNA work order system to show them this is how it's going to be tracked. They want to see all of that. And then you have one that is specific, one element that is specific to construction sites, a list at discharge. To have to go out pre-post enduring at a minimum when there's a new construction and check for the silk fencing and all that, make sure that all the sediment and the trolls are in place. And then the fourth one is just our regular routine maintenance of our storm controls. Our DRAs are outfalls, culverts, drains, you know, every control structure that we have, we have to have an SOP and says, we're gonna do, we're gonna mode the DRAs at least once every eight weeks and that one you've got to incorporate litter control, which is what I added to it today when I realized that piece of it was missing. So we do all this and then when we fill out that notice of intent, under each element, you have to pick so many activities that you're going to do. And you have to have a procedure for each one of those activities. So whether it's, I mean, there are certain things that are requirements, like the construction site, a listed discharge and detection piece of that, that's a given. You have to do that. The electives, we determine what the electives are. And so in 2020, when the notice was prepared, those requirements requirements when it came to like public education and documenting, I don't know, honestly, I don't know how they got passed the audit the five years ago because none of the state or state or state or state were in place. So all these commitments were made five years ago. Without a profit. But none of the SOPs, not a single thing was done. During COVID. And so, that's what it was. You don't know. Right, we're using 2020, but the work had to start probably a year before that, but still in the COVID era. Yeah. But I think where you were leading to Valerie is, so we don follow in this crap again. Okay now we got folders we got reminders that are going to pop up. We're been going through the hoops now to create everything that needed to be created to get in compliance. So this should not happen again if all of us get hit by a bus whoever comes in and fills Andrews going to be something pop up on the computer. You know, hey Enjoy your mess for We're the force be with you right They can do a weegee board and talk to us all What do you have anything else you want to explain about this DEP? Would you like another subject Complete Ross did you want to address the council with your report? First off, I want to thank the council for your support for tonight. And especially after tonight's actions, I think we're turning the chapter with this partnership with the Sheriff's Department. It's very, very important for the citizens here at Denellin. As far as the police department, what I want to report on is we have received all the equipment back from the officers and move forward with the wishes of the council that they're on pay leave until May 13. Now over the courses the next coming weeks and months will start the arduous task of going ahead inventory and all that and starting the surplus process as we move forward with that and continue to move forward with getting the offices relocating here. You'll see some changes at the police department as we start to take down some of the signs and everything. And there again we're going to have signage up to make the citizens aware of what they need to do should they need to get information and the phone number will still be active and will still be communicating with them that way Yes, probably somewhere along the process we may miss a step but we will identify and fix it as fast as possible And we'll continue to move with that. As far as the school crossing zone, that we're in the warning phase, and we're working through that right now, everything is, we did have a little hiccup in the very beginning, where we weren't getting some data, but that's been corrected, and everything appears to be up and running and working well. So warnings should be going out and people will be informed. This is their kind of their mulligan if you will. They get out of jail free cards. And are those mail to their addresses? Addresses to the registered owner of the vehicle. Yes, ma'am. I haven't gotten one yet. Rookie can be one of them.'s all I have unless you have any questions. Valerie? Just forget if you need help with the inventory, whatever you need, let us know. Yes, ma'am. Absolutely. Sit down. Take notes. Absolutely. Thanks. Wally? The only question I have, I know we had talked early on if we got to this point, you know, you brought in all the equipment, got everything from the police officers that we would go on and start disposing of some of that. When that happens, I've already sent you one individual that's very interested. Another boy with a- that. When that happens, I've already sent you one individual that's very interested, another town that would want to talk to you. So when you're at that point, please reach out to him. We know it. Okay, good. And again, I think we decided to put any funds we get from this in a reserve for the police department. Kind of like we got this reserve out there already. Just take those funds and put them in there and then we decided to go back. We got some funds. We decided not to go back and we'll figure out what to do with them. And that brings up another issue I had. We got some property out on Powell Road. I think this counts on these address. There is no need for that property. And I don't know who was going to buy it, but I think we'll see if we get in or somebody involved in trying to sell that. And we need to do that. I don't think we should move or dispose of the property we have here on Williams Street. This is that vacant lot. Yeah, I understand. Okay. Okay, that's all I got. And I think the transition is going wonderful. I mean, I keep hearing people bitch about all the tickets they're getting on the river. And I don't know if you've heard it on the river, but I have heard it on the river and that plays this me greatly. You know we could not ask for anything better with the Sheriff's Department and the partnership in which we have with them. From the command staff, from Major Paulford, Captain Turner to Lieutenant, Vowweeple, they have been there every step of way, and they have been nothing more than extremely helpful. So they are definitely striving to make sure that everyone involved is doing the right thing. And that's what we all want. So I'm very glad to be working with them. Good. Good deal. That's it. No, no, not too wrong. Okay. I'm not good. Good deal. That's it. Jim? No, nothing wrong. Okay. I'm all good. We had discussed, I think, at the workshop that we were going to address the sheriff or his staff for all the cooperation and that he has extended our city. Do we need formal action on that? Or do I know we had a consensus that we would do that? I read the letter. Cool. Yes, we have the letter prepared for the nursing of the church tonight. And once he sounds it, I'll make sure you all get a copy of it. Awesome. Great to do that. Thanks a lot. I just want to, I knew we were going to do that. I just wanted to reiterate that we will be sending a formal letter. Yes. Good. And thanks for sharing with us. You will have a nice day. That's great. We were going to do that. I just wanted to reiterate that we will be sending a formal letter. Yes, good and thanks to the sheriff and his entire staff Anything else? No, sir. I think that's everything at least for for this month Well, you've got your hands full. You've got a full plate now. We do, but I think we have a pretty good plan. And I think we're going to keep marching forward. So I'm excited. Captain Bright or excuse me, chief Bright. No captain. Oh, that's right. That's right. Sorry. Oh, oh, the fire that took place. If you hear, if they're starting to go fund, you know, I just want to make sure that if we do anything or hear anything that it's the right people that we give to. I do understand that through the Dennell and Wood amount because I just spoke with the person that manages that. There has been a legitimate GoFundMe account established for them. And there are other organizations that are starting to rally to assist. So no good question. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Okay. Any other department reports? I can't thank of any. Anybody else? Okay, we'll move on then to council last on reports and comments. Who would have, who would, Valerie, do you have something you'd like to. Yes sir. Rex? Wally? I have two things. So, I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to do it. The only caveat to that is if Sydney decides to have her baby then, yeah, y'all are not in a lot of air. I have already registered for it. I registered. OK, so that's a good idea. I'm glad that agenda in my, someone told me I should go. Well, I've had two people pass to me, to pass to you. Well, yeah, I heard from both of them. But unfortunately, I had, like I explained to you, I had a doctor's appointment at 10 o'clock in O'Call. There's no way I can get from there, up to there. So anyway, but I'm glad you guys are going. The other question I had in it's, and Walter, this is really directed at you at whatever you may have heard of the tells. Hansi, this rumor that our governor is thinking about doing away with property taxes from a personal standpoint, I find that wonderful. Okay, but in running this city, I find that very scary. In fact, I've heard from some of the small towns, their pan, if this was to go through. Did you hear anything about this proceeding in the latest lecture? I know this is something I've got there some out there and I don't know how well it was to see you up there. It's just kind of scary for counties and cities where they get an awful lot of funding from property taxes. How would we survive? And I just wanted a few heard something when you were up there. Well, the governor has made some suggestions and some of our legislators have made a suggestion that somehow there should be an alternative to property taxes. You know, it's nice to say that there should be some alternative. But I don't see anything in black and white that's an alternative. I don't even. And I can tell you this much as far as what I see every day that I'm out at Dunnellin High School when I see the conditions of our school and they mirror conditions of our schools across our county. We are in desperate need of investment in our schools, and that goes for our entire infrastructure, and to suggest that you're going to turn everything upside down, and reinvent a whole new system at this point in time, with all the uncertainty across our entire country, in fact, across the world now, in world markets, with all these suggestions of change, I just think it just goes into the same category of another suggestion. Good. And I think our literature, I would think, if we're talking to them, that they're not inclined to make any major changes at this point in time. Good. And I don't know what the alternative would be. And I don't think some of these people who propose all these changes have any idea what the alternative would be. I think it's more of a political gesture. Political posture. And to entice people that somehow there's a free lunch over here in the next corner, we just haven't gotten to the free lunch yet. Well, let me assure you, there is no free lunch. And if you don't think there's no free lunch, come out there and spend some time with me at our high school. Let me show you some of our facilities that we're using out there. I'll be glad to show anybody who wants to show up, including those very legislators and include that governor. He thinks that we are funded properly and that our schools are being funded properly and 41, little 200 is being funded properly, I've got another lesson for him. He is not reflecting reality in our community, absolutely not. And anyone that suggests that we are doing just fine with our infrastructure and we can have some kind of miracle free lunch is going to show up. I'm sorry. I don't believe it. I don't believe it. And I know that sometimes I do get carried away a little bit when my statements, but I mean every word of what I've said. Our infrastructure is sliding by us every day. The quality of life is leaving if we don't get a handle on this infrastructure and start funding our infrastructure and the needs of our community and our transportation, our water and sewer and our schools, we're still going to be going down hill. And I would tell him the same thing as I'm trying to make the statement here today and I assure you that's my opinion when I address our legislators and I address anybody else that wants to discuss this with me. I hope that's clear. No, I just was curious as to what the legislators, I know what the governor's saying and I'm sitting there like you I mean personally I Won't get into that but I just don't see how you can replace property tax With anything I mean if you tell them about sales tax what we're gonna go to 15 20 This is insanity. I mean, I there's just the cities and counties survive property tax. And for the governor to say something like this, I was just curious as to what the legislators were talking. I just hope this never happens for the city. I mean, I just don't see how I'm gonna survive. Well, I have seen, there is definitely some friction between the leadership of the House and the Senate and the executive branch in the state now. But then the governor is not, cannot succeed in self, he's going out of office so maybe he wants to go out with a bang and he wants to have a feud with the leaders of our House and Senate. But they're going to stand strong I think. I hope you bring close attention to what going on in our counties and our cities and in our schools. I mean that's that's really where they need to be paying attention. Right. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no course is that there's a study in the way that is looking at what you know reforms could be taking place. And I think if there is going to be reform you might see season sort of caps or more some sort of relief or whatever, but I haven't heard any serious talk about actually doing them way with it other than what I read in the news. And of course, any type of reform to that level would require a referendum. Of course, with voters and not having to pay property taxes, I mean, the writing may be on the wall for our executives. But it's a system where they just look at it at this point, how revenue could be replaced and not all or nothing necessarily type scenario. But I know no details of it. In fact that it's been looked up. Thank you. Well, Florida has been successful for many years without state income tax. You're welcome. So I, you know, it goes against my grain to think that we would go into a situation where somehow somebody's working this thing around to be some kind of state income tax. And every time you grant an extension to one group of taxpayers that overloads the next group that didn't get the exemption. So all you're doing is passing the responsibility over to somebody else every time you get an exclusion. So it's all kind of floating up in the air to me. The bottom line is we've got to pay our way and we've got to make these investments and I don't know where, like I said, I don't think there's only free lunch on that corner over there that I haven't seen. But I do express this and I don't I don't think that we're looking for anything drastic out of this legislation. I think they want to go home. I think they want to spend a couple more weeks until I ask him go home. That's that's what I've heard. Maybe it'll get real hot and I'll leave early. Yeah well it's it's gonna be 90 degrees this weekend so you know I asked I still ask you to be eating up. That'll, that'll stir them up. But I, and all, and all, and all, and all wellness, and all goodness, so I did, I had a very successful trip to tell I asked you two weeks ago, I got a chance to see all our legislators, and I mentioned that in the workshop. I also went back this week for Wednesday and Thursday. Went up Wednesday, midday and came back Thursday afternoon. I attended Mary and County Days in IntelliHassy, which were very nice. It was very good to see so much support for our Mary and County and our state's capital. I didn't get to see all of our county leaders and there were many of our legislators that I got a chance to spend time with. Also attended a reception for Dennis Baxley. Dennis was one of our state senators, Representative Marion County and Lake County. He was term limited and there was a very special reception for him Wednesday night and I was able to meet with several of our leaders at that reception also. So it was a very fruitful trip. I just went up one day and came back the next. I was going to mention about this meeting in Live-O, we just discussed the meeting in set up for the 29th of April and it is in Live Oak and I was hoping to attend that and I'll try to make arrangements with Council approval to attend that in Valerie. If we do, if you're able to go too, we'll post that then we sir. That's both being attendance if you're able to. Yeah, I'll already register, so I plan on being there unless the green sun is set us to come early. Okay. I have one more thing. I got a request from the group at the Depot, and I'll just read this out. It's entitled All aboard. Let's take a ride on our training to the future. The future memories of our training depot that is. We are creating a cookbook filled with recipes submitted by our community. Come be a passenger on that train and share your cherished recipe with us. Looking for current residents, former residents, City Council members, and mayors, past and present. Down there at the end. Educators, business owners, employees, volunteers, residents of surrounding communities, and anyone who loves our small town and train depot. Drop off your recipe at 1-2-061 South William Street, Dunnellin. Mail your recipe to GDHS, PO Box 1836, Dunnellin, Florida 34430, or email the recipe to Dunnellin depot at gmail.com. Deadline for Sub for submissions is May 31st, 2025. To be added to the mailing list to purchase a cookbook, send email to Dunnelland Depot at gmail.com to learn more about the greater Dunnelland Historical Society, visit Dunnelland Depot.com. And Terry, I know you've got some old swears recipe somewhere. I know you do. I have enjoyed it myself. Sounds good. Yes, and I did attend the, as you know, I attended the Mary County Board of County Commissioners meeting yesterday. We had unanimous approval of our Sheriff's Department agreement. I was very pleased with that and I had an extensive opportunity to discuss it with our commission before the meeting when I was in Tallahassee. I also attended a reception for Kat, the our representative in the U.S. House of Representatives, she has opened an office at the very county government complex, the old girl school in Ocala, and I attended that and had a chance to visit with her a few minutes and some other leaders the other night. Also, that was Monday night, I think. My days are getting together. We have been very busy busy time and I certainly enjoyed representing our city and moving us forward with whatever it comes before us. And like I said it was Council's approval and I'd like to attend that meeting in Ladok and of course we'd like to do all of that. And that's what I have. The wills, anybody else Did I say enough? I hope so. All right. No other council liaison reports and comments? City Attorney? Andrew? I do mayor. And I'm just asking for some feedback from the council. The county, and this was a request from the county attorney when I spoke to him just about a week and a half ago. The county is considering implementing an EMS impact fee and just wanted to know if the city council, and of course there wouldn't be any specifics available until the county completed their study. But I just wanted to know if on premise the city council supported implementation of an ESM-FACP fee. Obviously an EMS-FACP fee would be payable by developers who would be building housing or expanding projects. So building or expanding projects. Just by consensus, if that's something that is a premise that the council would support. So Mr. Mayor, I know the other day I saw on TV and maybe I don't know if you were there or not, but I know that this county is also looking at the fire assessment fees that we all pay. So would that have the ability to keep fees lower or are it the same do you know Andrew? Well that's two different ways of trying to raise revenue. Right. So one, of course, is an assessment, I mean, possibly, but remember that with an impact fee, that's solely to pay for new growth. So that doesn't necessarily reduce new growth as just new need. Yes. And while Ben Allen may be growing slowly, any type of new construction would pay that fee, so that would be specifically for that new growth. Assessments are for existing. Yeah, you're right. Sorry. Yeah, I don't have a problem. I mean, just as long as it's within a reasonable range, that's a citizen's, that's when we would go and make sure that the impact fees weren't being so high that they would deter people from building a Marion County. That would be my only comment on that. No, I think it's a good idea because when you go up 200 and see all the new buildings up there, I know from working in the fire service that if you put in 2,000 homes,000 people, that's a lot more calls. And then instead of, then you've got two people on each truck and one truck and that truck is in service 24 hours a day and then when you call, you can't get a response because they're on another call. And it's an expensive proposition and let the people who are moving into those areas paid for the services because if we don't support it what's going to happen is if they don't build a station then in the end our firefighters end up going over on 200 and everywhere else to service their calls and we suffer and we're paying for the service. Although in the long run if we don't support it, it's going to diminish our services. And I think we've discussed enough how with even our building coming in, we need to make sure that the people who are coming in paid for their share of the services and that's trap for people of Dunnell and just a little quick, I mean, Donald doing the inspections they're still doing. They had 1135 inspections today. And that's almost every single day. Well, Oli, did you have a comment on this? No, I think it's probably common. And in fact, it's new construction kind of, I mean, it's justified. I mean, honest to gosh, I wasn't, I went to a doctor in about 200 today. I'm just amazed at the apartments and the building up there is just insane. And then I heard that top of the world building phase two in English. I'm not English. You got it. I mean, I heard that the other day and I'm like, top of the world, English, you're kidding. Any about West English? No, I hadn't. I go to the black water, but I but as it cleared the woods on both sides really from weanie County Going north that's what I heard it was they just got this John chun Kalan and they just started So yeah, that's another county, but I mean the growth in this area is just how to sign in like like Rex said, you've got emergencies. You can't handle them with the trucks we got today. If you're adding thousands of people, it is just not work. You got to do something. People are going to understand that every time that truck leaves a station, it's usually for at least an hour. Oh, you know. By the time you get there, 15 minutes to a cessation, then you're transport. And my grandson works at Levy County EMS. He's a paramedic up there. And he says, they have transport chants. And there's times out there where the rescues are told, you just have to park them. And I know when I was in Miami that worked on an ambulance, the rescues got in right away. We had to sit out there for three hours. But he sat up there. He said, he might end up sitting with the patient for an hour and a half, waiting until they get a better. No, she ends up being in she ends for a month. And it was right there above the EMS. And it's amazing what goes on in that place and they bring them in from all over that area Stay and he says you know I know how much how long we were on balls But he said it's not unusual with the transport times Two hours two and a half hours three hours of all So that's one truck and when you look at it Logistically, it's only eight calls a day for a shift. And they're calling for everything. My toe hurts. My finger hurts. Or serious heart attack. No, it's... Yeah, it can be. Yeah, no, I guess. No, I have one. Yeah. To me, like Mary notes is a good example. We've already had to pay for at least one. I think two, the second one's getting ready to go up. And we're all footing the bill for it in our Mary and County taxes. The developers walking away with the developer still going to make out. But yeah, our taxes are just going to keep going up and up and up. As all this building goes on, you know, is the other side of it, you know, diminished service and we're going to pay more. So I'm good with the impact. I think growth should pay for growth as much as we can. And that's the way I look at it. We're not going to stop the growth. We're not in the business of stopping growth. We're in the business of trying to cope with this growth and how else are we going to cope with it and secure our standard of life which we enjoy in our, if we don't expect growth to pay for growth. So I think the impact fees are the right way to go. And as Tim said, not strap the current taxpayers to subsidize the improvements that are required for the very growth that's coming. So it makes sense to me that growth should pay for growth. That's him. Does that sound true? You're not? Yeah. Well, that's the way I feel about it. I don't know. So now you know what to tell the county. Do we, was there a request that we have a formal? Not at this time. I just let them know that I would do exactly what I did this evening, that I would bring it up during my attorney's report and ask for some feedback. So what I can tell them is that I did just that and that the idea of impact fee is supported by the council. Of course, the council would be very interested in what that unfortunate fair share calculation would be subject to how things come out. but in general, that yes, that growth should pay for that growth and incur those costs, so they're not passed on to the general tax. I think that's the council's concern. Thank you, Mayor. That's all I have to see. Anything else, ladies and gentlemen? I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. Second. A motion on the floor. A second discussion. All those in favor say aye. Happy Easter, everybody. Happy Easter. Look at that. Look at that. G.M. Good. Oh, my goodness. Please, madam. Yeah, we'll make her happy.