the issue. The meeting is June 25th, 2024. The time is 5.30 p.m. This is just . This is the start of some of county service series number three public meeting. First item on the agenda is roll call. We can get back down with Mr. Chair. I have all cross chair. CKN Governor Ice Chair. Scott Sharp, Treasurer. Lario, the clerk. Chris Willow, Roads & Water. John Brain, General Manager. Vince Fowler, General Operations. Jody and Aguilist, Office Manager. Peter Gessel, Deputy General Counsel. Is there anyone online? There is no. Jody and Aguilist, Office Manager. Peter Gesselt, Deputy General, and your host. Is there anyone online? There is no. Can we do a conversation? Make sure they get here. Yeah, we did one earlier. Okay. Okay. Thank you. I have a few on the agenda. It is public comments. We do have members of the public here. Anyone with like the state we just asked that you would state your name in parcel or residence and to leave your comments to three minutes. But anyone would like to address the trustees and staff. I would look upon 625 Summit drives., I was like three months once again that we pleased with a welcome to celebrate as state signed in the right about. And especially the states go back to our original name. Yes. To differentiate us from the village. Yes, you quite not given. No, I've heard a big story about it. But you can't. Yeah, let's, let's, let's. So you're going to do us. Let's make that happen. I know. People are very good. And you can have the million. I would like to remind you quite a bulletin for up in mailboxes to discourage people from funny pictures all over the nice beautiful new ones and nice drop on the mailboxes and Halloween on the new pink color. But I think there's room for up. There's only one in there. We put it out like three days ago. Not down the other side of the world though. We put it out like three days ago. It's in between the windows. We're going to be standing in the rear line. One more minute. Thank you very much. With anyone else like to address? Yes sir. Joe Durso from the five and nine minute road. There was a number of people there were out of meeting last night. I put number of residents. I think what I took from the meeting, or anybody that wasn't there, is that almost every single person in the room agreed that we have water rights and we should keep the low water rights on. So I don't think there's any disagreement with any of that. I think where there's tremendous disagreement, I would ask you guys to reconsider how to meet all this out. There's number one, regardless of how long you've been trying to get meters on people's and we could arm users in the years ago. We got to feed a lot of them. Part of the reason is we completely agree and understand that water is a scarce resource and we need to conserve it. So I stipulate that we're all on the same page on that, The facts are the facts. However, the way that it's being rolled out, I would have two comments about it. Number one, getting notices in the winter, when people are not using water for irrigation, you leave no time for people to experiment with their water usage to get down to the right level. And so we just request that there is some kind of phase in the period so that we have the ability to do that and come into compliance with the water usage. The second thing is coming up with a flat 25 cents as the number to penalize people where seems on the outside and I'm not going to impudent when he's voted, but it seems to be exceptionally punitive and it seems to be almost like an angry response. And so what I would ask is that we review that with some facts and then thank you very much for giving us that paper. You know the simple analysis that we had done by going on the web and looking at what other communities around state are charged with water. seems that it was a lot less than that. And so a number of times yesterday evening, we requested to understand how the number of 25 cents had been come up, you know, had been in the right depth. We have no answer. We hear a lot about history and the original calendar of the community, the water rights. And we understand all those things. That's great. But we really like to understand as fellow citizens in this community how to become up with 25 cents because it really feels like someone is trying to punish people. And it doesn't seem to me like that should be what this particular board of trustees and or the employees of service district 30 should have as a goal to punish people. So I would want to have a response to both of those requests. Yeah, I give you a quick, we are talking to the sponsor straight away. You know, you're checking this up. First of all, I appreciate you coming down. And we're going to change the ECL as much as next coming out. That's an effort for you to talk to me more. It's interesting. Sorry about the with your discussion. It's not only shared for this slide, right? You've got a second and try and stay in the country. We have only so much work. So you're taking more work. You're taking your ceiling from me. Well, I'm still getting closer. Actually, that's true. Well, later on sitting to a lesb, I feel like actually, you can have my ash reward. So tell me I'm stealing water. If you are, I'm not. You are. I'm not. Okay. We have problem number one. Again, you're accusing people of theft in the community. We have no idea what we were using. How can you accuse me of theft? I listen to you. No, but you're accusing me of something. That's no one said. I didn't accuse you of anything. I'm just saying, I'm just saying you call me a fee. You know, I'm saying that if you and I share something and you take it from me, you're not. Did I look on the water? You will. Given the fact that we have a finite number of amount of water, these are nonsense and no premise. Absolutely not. A nonsensical premise. You tough say nonsense. So I apologize if I'm excusing you. I'm not sensible. Again, let's just go play that out. I have to finish you off. Don't call me a thief this time. I actually didn't call you a thief. I said it's that by stealing. OK. I can see where these conversations last. It's a myth. It's about anger. It's about a finite resource that we haven't available to as committed. How do we ensure that we all have safe, reliable wire for pollinary purposes and fire extinguisher? The bottom line that's it. That's where the number of people is. What does 25 cents came from that? What does the math that came from that? What does that work to you versus what is the the work that it works for the board? We have public comment. We talk about this at Nazim. We go to Nazim. We all agree. Is that the meeting? Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. We voted on it. We all agree. Is that a bit of a subheating? Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, we talked about these acknowledge them. And you still can't tell me how you came out here. If I just go to my class, I can talk to the other student. You did it last night. I didn't have an opportunity to have a wife and I had kids to take care of. That's why I love it. So, but I think so, you just have to look at it. So, for the 25 cents again, we having our policy, $2,000, $200 fee for anybody, that doesn't matter about the lower, if you went over here a lot, your allocation. So it was either funding or food, the floor, or before it's 75, maybe a few to a while. We were then counseled by our legal counsel that said, if you're doing that $2500, the way we came up and that $2500 was we looked at the data. And the data showed that seven or eight homeowners headed the entire service area where the ones going over their allocation. Here in the state of Utah, here can correct me if I'm wrong, but here in the state of Utah, if you use more water than your water right, your water share, water contract, stuff to water, that's a very serious crime to say. Okay, so what we did, what we said, if a person goes over, what is our enforcement to protect the water right and comply with state law. And what we figured out list, that $2500 covers legal and staff time to get that person to understand you're using more than you're allocated, more than we have to give. And that's what it would cost. So that's purely where that $2500 was originally. But that's also when they will say, hey, if you do the $2500, but from there is you're gonna have to notify a former owner over a two month of charity to give him the chance to reticle. The only problem was, and this was the wisdom of the board, and all of us talking about this, was that, well, that time comes to summer 31st. So we don't know. A lot of well-users didn't have the computers on yet. So we said, okay, let's make this fair because what that $2500 originally meant was if I went 325,000 gallons and one gallon over, I would get that far. Work again in the right. We are not here to punch. We are not here to go out or paint like we're here to protect our community wide resource. So then we said, all right, let's do in that, the simple map of what per gallon with data quates and then then we looked at the data. And the data showed again, seven to eight users in the entire service area for using their allocation. And so again, we did the math and we looked at, okay, the ones who were only going over a thousand or two thousand gallons, 25 cents a gallon is $2,500. For that, for a thousand miles. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. For that $1,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. And then that's a fair younger. And so that's how we drive the 25 cents a gallon. But because again, the state of Utah, if you fill over your allocation that's step one, now is in the past that the state-ever drilling go hard on anybody? No, because the state wasn't picking up. There was more water than there were people. Fast boards are today. The reason they're doing it is because you tell us the fastest-grown state for like two or three years of growth. If you're confused, it's going to be a serious problem. So that water that we have here in Silver Creek is word. You probably can't put a number on. People are paying 50, 60, 70, 80,000 dollars for an acre foot of water. When 10 years ago you could buy that same acre foot of water, probably 15 does. 20 years ago you could probably buy it for 5. Guess what? Some of the smart kids in the neighborhood who built here in the 60s probably got it for $1,500. Right? So I don't want to digress to history because I've been told don't talk about history. But in this case, I think it's important. So again, I live here, I have almost four acres. I'm on the waters. I only get 0.7 kind of. I can't use more because the service area doesn't have more water. But guess what? Because I'm on the system, I pay $109 a month. You pay $100 million a year for 25% more a month. Plus, my allocation is based on $20,000 a month. You have a yearly allocation. If I go over that $20,000, I I start paying a tier usage rate. So, come July, August, September, and really dry years, I may go over my 20,000 gallons for one or two months, and I may pay a nice, for $50 or $60. But that's because, of course, it's cheap, and takes, and goes. I have a little flark. I'm irrigating snow at hatchters, but even then, like, you know, this month is pretty hot, not so far. I'm only at 10,000 pounds. Even with all that. So, and like this, you know, there's properties out here that are amazing. They're beautiful. They're landscaped. You know, people with lots of horses, people with other farms. And that's fine, and I've well seen that. But those people also went up and fought more water because they wanted more water to do more water. And so that is, that's the option here. So the 25 cents, it's not to be punitive. It's to be fair. It's also a way to remind you that paint, this precious resource you're putting at risk, because the problem is the way the state law is written. The state engineer could potentially, if we get on their radar, and some of our water shatters that are here in Silver Creek, originally from an area outside of the site of the bill base, waters of wheat did not follow state law. They could potentially move that water share back to where it originated from. Because up until then it was just paper water, right? Wandship irrigation has water in Wandship and there are. Silver, Crevans, and I know Bill Basin has their water in the Silver Creek. So way back basic, has their water and silver Creek. So right back in the 60s before anyone had any foggy notion that you told us it would blow up, that first city was going to blow up. It really didn't matter. There was more water than people, but now there's more people than water. So the states trying to fix the faults of the past, we don't want that to happen because if we lose a share, one share could account for 10 months. And I would hate for me a staff to report to the board and say, oh crap, Peter and Nathan are legal counsel just got noticed by the state that runs by the nation. Sure. All of that is completely fair and I appreciate that explanation that actually helps a lot. I go back to the same thing about the youth. Since getting that noticed, since turning on the irrigation systems we know it has to play with. Okay, let's figure out how it is that we stay under that amount and on water for the year. It has completely fair, yes, if you laid it down to begin to get beat. But giving us time to be able to adjust that if I think is a reasonable request. The second thing I would say is if there are truly only seven people in the entire community that had gone over, you would have been the next region for us. Right? I mean, you know, if I was in my 18th year at church, it was about over the last year. I mean, I can't do anything with that until I understand the water use. Right. You just kind of, I work, what I do. Yes, I did. Yes, I did. So now we're in summer. That's where I use the water. I'm not sure why the attitude that we dress up as a team. But there's a problem. I don't think I have this good. I'm trying to have a discourse in the individual. And I just be always locked up. So, so, so, every day, so I think I'm pretty easy to just say, hey, my wife, you want to send people in the entire community that has gone over? Great. You know what? I think in some of my pipes, I had no idea. We were forced to find that, but I need to do that when my organization's situation was on. So you've really given me no time to figure that out. You just, I mean, when that did what you were going to implement. That's what that was saying. So yeah, thank you. Giving us some time to figure that out is a reasonable position. I'm not sure why it would be controversial. Thank you, Charlotte. And I just can I? We'll actually have someone. That was within the audience. Just that I was respect for the process. Now we have a great time for us to be getting into this topic. Or was that intended to occur at the 6 o'clock hour? Yes. That was a dead end. Okay, so should I reserve additional commentary and questions on the topic? I'm going to have a public comment, Jerry, more or more. Well, I'll just been thinking on the top. I'm like, Joe, you're more comfortable with this. Well, I'll just Vince, thank you for the explanation. The difference that I have with that is your point about having the opportunity to go into the market was buying the initial share and it had the cost of approximately $80,000 if you give you $325,000 additional gallons per year. The fundamental difference is the 25 cents is a recurring cost, whereas buying the share is a perpetual grant that you effectively have. So it's fundamentally a difference between I could buy a thing or I could bring it in, and they're effectively the same price. So you're saying that in a situation of 325,000 gallon over utilization at a 25 cent charge, there's going to be approximately a $75,000 fee that would be associated with that. Without a recur every single year, whereas if an individual were to go to the market and buy the additional share for approximately $75,000, $8,000, they would have that perpetuity until they sold it. So there's a tremendous price in the novelty in that kind of model. I understand that you arrived at 25 cents, but hopefully you also understand that there is that something that's a difference between, had a thing in my pregnancy. I don't have a blue leaf, but the 25 cents per gallon over your balance is not in the trunk. So the way our policy is written, because again, it's about to bar, so we get the homeowner's two months to rectify. And then we would then potentially either issue, and it's not even so. We want to work with people. Right. And so it'll work with people. And so what we said was, if you're going to ignore us for an're going to issue a $2500. But if you continue to ignore us, we're going to go to state engineers and say, we try to have the work of this term in the version, this person who's using gold water. And so again, I wish we had enough water to supply everybody. But the water district, the water, the water system, is running out of deficit. So we actually a number of years ago started putting like 5,000, $10,000 a light each year in case water rights became available because we had that haircut and we knew a full build out We wouldn't have enough water for every block and so forth I have a question. I'll just close my mouth My name is Suhtanis and I'm on bad weather My concern is there's definitely this, because we are wasting water, going over our share. There's a fine I don't want to water. But why does water continue to spew the silver bullet? We haven't been made an attempt to recapture it under water. Because candidly, the biggest water waste in this room is surface area 3. I'm purrifically. 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I feel like silver cream, service zero three is stealing water as well. And I would like to know what we're going to do to address that as well. Great question. Silver bullet was put in the 80s, kind of 25 year life. And by state law, that chain needs to be inspected every four or five years. Eight years ago, inspecting was done, maybe 10 years ago. And the inspection said, the silver bullet needed to be replaced. And that was never shared with the board that fit. I don't know why. I wasn't around. And then come, so then we said, OK, let's start planning on doing a replacement to serve some other thought grades we needed to do in Southern Greekism, broke, and maybe, of the system. So we had an inspection done on the 20th, right? It's morning after we started the week. And so we got all of this state, because I thought it was required to do that. Got hold of the state. We were given an emergency status because of the and that's because the divers by hand and they found advanced deterioration within the site of the tank that it was not prepared for. So we immediately went and reported this to the state. Within a couple weeks, we were granted emergency funding to replace that tank. So we are actively, Chris and I and John and Jody working our rear rims off to get it that replaced. Now, because of the funding, because of the need to get much larger tank, or fill out, fire flow, etc., we've located a piece of property that has higher elevation that load-able, look, whatever, 750,000 gallon concrete tank. That 750,000 gallon concrete tank will exceed any fire that's low on that, this area, me, me, future demand, and full growth, and have that reserve in case we end up in another nine-year drought. So, we are planning ahead. We are in the process getting that done. Cytal tainlessly, we just, Chris and I were down in Salt Lake today, we got approval to Drone and Well to take your of our free fill well and our aging district wealth. So that process is now fully year and to get started. Is there any way you can do something creative to capture the water so that it can be a reason for this or something done in the air, that is human health. Only that's Chris. I need a little Dutch boy, I guess. But at the moment, no, because our water comes from under ground, we don't treat it. Once it comes out into the air, it's treated like other companies have that chlorine and nasty stuff, chemicals that they put in it. So other than repurposing it to maybe like irrigation water or something like that. I want to think of the roads that they keep taking the water out of the fire hydrants. I'm pretty all over the road. I don't think it fills up as what is the fire hydrant to the water hydrant. Well, I think it's a lot of work. Were the inspections done every four years, timely in routine? Yes. An outtime? Yes. And you said it was a 20-year-old. So why didn't we know that we're way beyond that? We can't plan for this. In a place that is incredibly important. It's been part of the budget, it's been part of the discussion, it's been part of all of that. So it's been part of the annual especially here. And we've been trying to work through the whole charges of what it costs and the lower because we invested that in its impact to everybody's water rates. So it's been in timing. We didn't expect to fail in this year. We've been going through that with the analysis, with our water company, with different people to find analyzed. Knowing that it was going to fail, but you weren't able to. $1.00 with a lifetime animal shelter. It's supposed to be a high score for somebody. Should we share the reasons? You give everybody who has a system that has a legal of failure a past this year as well, to get it fixed, and to get their ducks in a world. I think that would be reasonable. So we do people water forgiveness policy and I agree that's probably a good recommendation. We should look at it for the upper awesome. That's only right. We've connected people in your free forgiveness policy. Right. Just. Thank you. Can I? I would like to make sure we answered Joe's question because he didn't do the answer. You did. I just wanted to respond to the ins and A and also the rest for me. Yeah so that it's not you you cannot rent water. So we don't have it to rent so that's why the math doesn't necessarily work between going over versus going and purchasing. Right. That was metaphor. Okay. That's not a big question. Hi, Greg Dele, five seven, what's Woodrow? Hey Greg. The solution they got for the well is fantastic. It finally came. Had to happen by emergency because of funding and things like that. So that's good. You'll have that issue. That's a very positive thing. It was kind of a blessing to you because we have table terms. Yeah. thing, it's kind of a blessing to because we have the table terms. Yeah, well that's, and it had to happen. I know there was financing issues. Sometimes you have to have a disaster in order to get a solution because had a disaster you're living through it. I wanted to address the theft of the water because the concerns made because I spoke into the state engineers office and I said, Hey, I got a problem. I'm going to go over my acreage. Not by a lot, but maybe 50,000, 60,000 gallons. I got a community here that's threatening me. They're punishing me. They're acting under your enforcement authority. And actually, I'm not sure you guys have the authority to act as the enforcement people. You might be doing the citizens and yourself a lot less headache. Just go ahead and turn over the people that you're worried about or going over to the state. Let us as residents who are violating what you believe to be say, well, let them punish us. What you're actually doing is you guys are being enforcers, which in my opinion is a violation of, I don't have a code here to say it would matter to anybody, but there is an enforcement provision. Another point I want to make about that is that we all share the same water rights number. It's 220 acre per foot. When you guys report, you're reporting a totality of usage. Before the state engineer is going to put any fines on anyone here, in Silver Creek, for that right, whatever that number is, they're gonna look at the total age. So when you report those 220 shares for all of our houses, if you don't go over that number, the state is not going to prosecute a single person in this room. So if you are acting in violation of the enforcement provision of Title 70, you're the lawyer can address that, but you guys really need to consider that, especially for the people. This is only the people on the well. The meter people connected. That's a different animal. The well, you are not the enforcers. You don't have authority to do what you're doing. So please consider that. That's my feedback. Appreciate it. And the board, I'm talking to them, but I really should be talking to you as the board as a people who make this decision. You should get an opinion from your lawyer. You should contact the state and say, can we find these meter people if we're not going over, not our one acre per foot are 220 because when they report, they don't report 857 Westwood Road. Anyone else is at it or it's my neighbor. It's a totality. That's reported. So keep that in mind. Thank you. Did you see this? I don't like that. I would be happy to. Yeah. I appreciate the question for everyone and I have an opportunity to please start to address the heavy communities discussions I'm back up but I do know a lot around this in the sensory search and situation here. You are correct about one important to take so I'm going to be clear that I'm trying to set by the horizontal and under the authority of districts in the state of Utah. As the political settlement has the authority to adopt these, and that includes for violations violations which is done through the process this spring, on which they adopted that from 5.7 to 5. I'm happy to just have a chance at the discussion. But you are correct in terms of that the state engineer would only enforce at the point that the service area exceeds the total water rights that is correct. Okay, that is again not the authority that they district, sorry, it's not district, it is district, the service area that's drawn from, that is from Section 17D, you talk about that, Title 17D. I know 17D, 73 is the bar. But what you have though is that all those water rights, including some of which represent shares, are owned by the service area. Thus, if one individual locks those over its allocation, which, according to this structure, the company each lot has that one acre foot for water slots from 75 to the smaller, that is what is allocated to that block. Now, again, you're right, the enforcement only comes from the scheme to go beyond that, but the service area really cannot say put, they used 1.01 acre feet on their lots, so please enforce against them, because they'll say that's your water rights. What do you mean, have us enforce that whole mix sense to them? I think the problem comes and I haven't been involved in all policy discussions. I appreciate that. I have been involved in those policy discussions, but the problem is, yes, there's just such. I would honestly honestly there is a very very small buffer in Service areas water rights that's fairly small offer which can vanish under any number of circumstances And I think it really comes down to the positive question of yeah, maybe if one mod goes over you're right There is a little liver work in there But what if multiple locks do what if and can so question is, how can you really count for that? Because if one person does, it is no big deal. If everyone does that, then you very quickly can push up against that and be in violation. And I deeply concerned that representing clients in enforcement actions, and particularly concerned in some counties, in the crosshairs for a long time and I'm deeply concerned about potential problems. I just want to say, one thing is we've never gone over the 220 acre foot, so there's no issue. We're talking about what ifs here. So if we get over the 220, let's talk about that when it happens. The other thing is what I don't like, which is scaring me, is that if you're saying it's a theft of water, then you are then charging us and basically selling us stolen property. Think about how ethical that is. You're saying we're stealing the water, but it's stolen. We know it's stolen, but now we're going to charge you 25 cents a gallon now that you stole it. When the only one who can enforce is the state. So you don't have this. And now you're saying it's stolen products and we're going to sell it to you now that it's stolen. It's not ethically right. Report to the state. Let them do their authority when we get over the 220. You may not like it. This is the way it is. But until we get over that 220 and the state's cracking down on us, you can't be the enforcers because you don't like it and you're trying to be protected. It's not allowed by the law. If you think it's stolen water, don't charge us for stolen goods. And use it as a revenue model. It just doesn't work on the sewer. It's not. It sounds bad. I'm sorry. You're the word if you guys are going to run our vote on this, but I mean it's just the way it is. Appreciate you, Bill. Come in and talk to me first. So, we'll talk about it when the water comes up, and maybe there's some resolutions as to how to move forward, and again, have a secondary discussion about this, and put a moratorium or something on this, so that at least maybe you have a service area operating illegally and trying to sell us stolen products. Anyway, there's a lot of new people then. I think I think a bunch of folks on the hall to frankly, the answers was, um, what breaks if you have 49,000, and say we're seven people over. Okay, so there were seven people, and you charged all of them $20,000. Okay, and you can turn that revenue on great security, then you'd be being investigated because that would be the test, and you'd be sitting on the felony money. There's a lot more to this. There are these things, you're right. You're absolutely right. We do plan on having a discussion. We do plan on looking at this more closely to breaks point some others In here it was away for the service area of work with people Because like to breaks point to your point what we should be doing that is After you go over your allocation with Kebwa. You want to do that again? We're trying to find the balance of things. I'm not saying it's an easy task. I'm just saying that the plans are going down. We're going to end up committing felons. And I promise you, give me out with a lot of the company to investigate this. And I would encourage him to do it because it is a felon. It's all in theory. So I mean, there's a lot of work to have to be done. That's a good end. And we don't want to put ourselves that particular, especially if you cut off someone's water, because then you're gonna have a loss and we're gonna end up paying for it. And it's going to hit the media eventually and what that will do is impact all of us negatively and it will impact our property back because it will impact people more trying to sell their homes because we will become the black eye of Summit County and the crazy water people and we don't want to do that. Right. I'm sorry. I'm late to the conversation. I'm Chris Campbell. I live in 88 42 right? And just thinking we're not over our allocation yet, I hope that we won't be. But I think to echo what some of the comments that I've heard, you know, I would also agree with. I mean, you know, if we're at this 25 cent per gallon overage, I think our property values will come. I mean, no one will want to come to this area because it will be like, wait, you spent $83,000 on water last year, which is what I heard one of the people say yesterday. I mean that is really ridiculous. I would hope that we are in a situation and I'm not a legal person at all. But if we're in a predicament where we haven't quite figured it out yet, look, this is the, I just saw my water usage for the first time when you sent out the notice last May or whatever. And I don't work hard to curb my usage, but if we can get a more torrent for a year or two saying, look, while we're figuring this out, while we're figuring out how much we can charge people, while we're figuring out what are the legal ramifications are, can we just come up with rates and say, hey, let's take some time to really reassess this and give our ducks in a row before we start charging these outpragious amounts. That's how I would ask. Thank you very much. Thank you for the comments. Hey, I'm Dean. I'm Dean. I'm a gentleman called the crew. I had a pleasure of being sent with Chris on the program to tell us the exact way of substantial water leak, which was used to as a tank. And to your point, but it's very new, you're saying that this is a method to engage conversation. The conversation that we had at the time was, times technically better find your leak. And since then we've spent $20,000, a big thing to leak, but we have no funds, and Aurora usage will continue to be consistent, but we will be open as you're already paid the price for being able to work, but we love some sort of respite, so we can then at least catch up and know that we know from this point, because we get alerted and say to everyone else in need, say we're alert like, right, okay, we've already blew the door, we're all kidding. Right? We spent a lot of money fixing it. We now know that we're good. We just like it to be fair from the kind of best point we've been forward and not to be continually to be penalized because I'm sure we all have the same properties. Yeah, that's the first if you do that, it's just. Can I just get you any address and sign this back? Steven McGogees, and it's ET by a sentiment-cognitive trail. It's under law enforcement. Yeah, not really. In addition to the moratoriums, we've really just passed. We should, someone else has the chance to bring us, we need to advocate more. We need to catch them off. This is none of our actions. I'll be back in a minute. I'll be back in a minute. I'll be back in a minute. I'll be back in a minute. I'll be back in a minute. I'll be back in a minute. I'll be back in a minute. I'll be back in a minute. I'll be back in a minute. I'll be back in a minute. I'll be back in a minute. I'll be back cents a gallon. And as a homeowner, I don't want the civil liability that is brewing here that we will all have to pay for if that decisions are made or people suffer monetary damage from this. So please consider that and please consider that even if you intend to stay in your home forever, there are so many residents who don't and this will absolutely negatively impact their home value. Is everyone in the hallway that would like to follow? We're going to be next to Jacob. He's actually the chair for changing up the grass. and you final public comment. We may want to remind them that we can come to everybody online. There's two people online. We'll move on to section three of the agenda. The first item is conflict of interest disclosure. Mr. Chair, we can start with you. Fall crowds are open. Suzanne, I'm sorry, no conflict. I spoke for a conflict. No real but no conflict. I start working with conflict. No real but no conflict. First of all, no conflict. John Bryant, no conflict. There's no conflict. Joanne I have no conflict. Peter Desmond, no conflict. They're here today. Item 3B. We're looking for approval. On the May 21st, 2024. Hending minutes, which we're including the packet. This time, I have open, which we're included in the packet. This time, I have open it up to the trustees for in the discussion on the minutes or seeking approval. In comments. In comments, I move for our motion. Well, I move that week's after minutes as submitted. Larry, need a motion. Oh, seconded. Scott, seconded. All those later. Hi. Hi. Hi. Both is unanimous. Thank you very much. Item 3C is approval of expenditures. We've had three invoices received since the last board meeting, which are special looking for board approval on these three invoices are in the packet, first heading from high-度 specialties. We have purchased one unit, one in, and one and a half inch meters. We've been using for a while. The second proof of the U.S. is the cost for the tank divers. And they came on that emergency mobilization on 820th. That was the cost to us. And then the last one is our 2023 buy from last year's conference. It has sent their report in to us. So, and they're willing to offer their services at the next point meeting to include that as part of that meeting and they're out of the last and give a summary and get the answer questions about the 2022. Let's go ahead and take it up on the agenda. I just have one question. Before you set approval of the May minutes, the agenda says approval of the April 9th minutes. So I have concerns about not seeing the April 9th minutes because that's when you all passed the 25% situation. So I'd like to see those minutes to see if they're accurate reflecting what was discussed at the board. And you did say that may minutes and they all good. So I've proved those new genitals and say the may minutes. The gender I've got says many minutes. Yeah. I'm just looking at something here that just said April 9th. I'm not sure what you're looking at. I'm looking at when I'm supposed to on. You saw a couple of notes and this is up on the, this walk we have. Is it different for the evening? I don't know. Did you hear it? It's a nice, it's a nice, good, good, good meeting June 25th, 2024. I may have been the draft. I'm not sure what you're referring to. I'm just saying that the April minutes have been approved there up on the December. It says the ministry of financial from. This is May 21, 2024 meeting minutes. I guess you guys are saying you approved. Luckily, the May agenda on, and you approved those minutes. We approved the minutes from the previous board meeting each month. So for this June, so you attach the older agenda as well, if you guys do. Yeah, no. Yeah. Well, this is May 2020, I'm sorry. You still talk about the previous. Okay, I understand. Thank you for that. Julia's got the stuff the substitute on minutes of the meeting. We've just been through the minutes in the previous meeting each month. As I'm going forward. Hi. Hi. I'm Joria. Are there any invoices? Is there an open-up rate of discussion from the board All questions or. Hi. Are they invoices? I mean, is the invoice from Larson and of course, with what we are both. Martin, yes. Yes, it's, it is, what we're expecting is $400 more than last year. So, relatively. Of course, that's the next. And then the stuff, of course, about the meter, so that's actually something that solves such a, it's best better than we actually have. So the large inch and a half one is something that we sold, but all the smaller ones are stuff for maintenance on the system. Okay. Thanks, Chris. Yeah, the question is, it's good. That's all I was thinking. Thanks, Matt. Don't make the motion. You know, we've got a bit of experience. Please, let me know. Scott made the motion. In a second. Suzanne said it. Scott made the motion. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. The invoices are approved as listed in the agenda. Moving on to section four is our operations manager update. So I've got two updates on the water infrastructure. As I mentioned earlier, last month we were approved for the emergency company funding. And that amount is for a $3,300,0002,414, and that's for the replacement of the storage tank and the transmission lines to get it to our system. That terms is 40 years at 0.5% interest rate. And to remind the board, when we did the west west flood, we added interest rate up to the point 9. So consider the better terms on that. The remaining loan that was a separate application for drilling the dwell, fire flow, upgrades including isolating, looking at isolating the greenfield well of the arsenic. That told about James to $3.469 and again a 39 year term, but here's where they got creative for us because there is no debt forgiveness on emergency loan. They gave us a 60% debt forgiveness on this. So basically it roughly works out to 30% debt forgiveness on both loans. And that was to help with keeping our rates down for the residents. So what that final number then is a little over $2 million in debt forgiveness. And the loan is $1.3 billion for the rest of the work. And again, that's also what a half a percent of debt forgiveness is that like a grant where the debt is just forgiven? Yeah, that's it. Yeah, correct there. So the Stiff's account. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just helpful because you could have to have to have that. I think it's 9. Yeah. That's forgiveness. Is that the envelope of the top? Is that the envelope of the top? Is that the envelope of the top? That's take off the top. One of the things to remind the board is that the state was expecting an amount of federal dollars to help with infrastructure, loans and grants, they received substantially less than was anticipated for the last two years. They actually put a moratorium on bone applications last year. We were able to lead our case and do all the extra homework to get our application in this year. And we were put out in the docket for the very first meeting and we did four of these a year. So we were able to secure this, which is huge for the service area. And again, as we're inviting you to 2000, we got the master water system plan, Dynamite Hansen Island and Lucie that identified the need to include in the fire flow. So this major upgrade to our water system to ensure to use safe drinking water. We'll take care of the service area for the next 80 to 500 years. It's a big round 10, it's a fire 12. So what's the expected service life in the tank? 80 to 500 years minimum. So, again, thanks to Chris, who is far more than Ian, Joe Santos, who is our engineer and record with this project, and helping to ensure, you know, a more strategic look at the system as opposed to just replacing 125 in your 10. So what's the next steps for the board and the overall project? Good question. So what's going to happen is here in the next few days, we're going to get a packet because this is a combination of state and federal monies. There's all kinds of bureaucratic stuff we have to go through. I want to see that back in review. And there is schedule and call with all the state polluters. So that's we will, that's engineering, that's operations, that's the board to go over this central checklist of what needs to get done. We're already on the head of the record on some of those things. And the Chris' again, the kind of pack press on the back. One of the reasons why we were accepted was there kind of rewarding those districts, water systems that were doing things the right way, planning for capital to an engineering really understanding of rate increases that we've been doing, many times seeing this water discharge that we're still charting $30 a year and multiple radiators, multiple violations. Cersei with three had no violations for the last 10 years or so. There are some recommendations and things that we had to do, but they consider us on a point scale bigger than the applied district. So, hence why we ended up somewhere nice. So, once we get that approval, science construction. So, we're approved. The money can't start flowing. And because it's considered a bond, we obviously have to do a public hearing. And once we know what that entails or what the requirements are, we'll have a public hearing through that. It'll probably be a special hearing. There has to be a rate increase. But they were raised enough to give us a, I don't even know what the terminology is, but they accelerated payment curve. So it's going to start off small to slowly bridge where that payment needs to be. So we won't go from $109 to $118 right off the bat. The other thing is repayment doesn't start for a year after we'll sign off of every project. So we may not even need to start with a rate increase until 2027, maybe 2026, but at the same time they said if you're able to do the small and promote rate increases now, that money is going to principal things. So that may be something to forward, but until once I get the returns, she's I'll get that out for what about construction? So I mean that's that's finance and that's great for public meetings. But the question about getting something started. So we can resolve the leak on a so third Thursday and the geont絶r contractors Thursday morning, on the side. I guess the progress from there to put out the RFPs and so forth, that's all going through real life and here. So that'll be progressing quickly. We're still on the process of negotiations for that piece of property, it's in its hands. And so because that's a closed session, because it deals with real estate, we'll have that actual session. All of it, did you want that? All right, but I mean to the point of how we've got this silver bullet spilling, is there anything that we can do to mitigate that while we're working the rest of this project? I guess if I can find a crazy driver that will go back in there, but with the curb report and the curb that was so huge right now. Okay. But we're still looking at some other solutions. Okay. So in the whole day, I was out there for a first one, and we were able to complete the packing paperwork because they didn't know the safe. Yeah, I'm just thinking of an external pipe or just thinking of that. I get a cruise internally. Well, then we are monitoring the level. If we hold it that way. Yeah. Just to say, satellite nerves are found this week. Our water system was designed and has the ability to run with how it, without the silver wallet. So we do have a secondary bathroom storage tank of 500,000 gallons, I think, GI, and this is according to the state engineer and our divers, catastrophic failure of the solar bullet won't happen overnight. We will get advanced warning and we have the 10-tell signs of what that entails. And then if that's the case, it will take a solar bullet offline. They seem to think we can get through summer without taking it down. Taking it down. And that's the minimum that we need is to meet current irrigation and water use in the summer. So, what's your money to risk that to spend on the list of the poll? There's some numbers flow around. So, our loan amount for the Silver Bullet, including transmission lines, is 3.4, almost 3.5 million. And inflation is ridiculous because VHET is just three or four years ago, roughly numbers of that storage tank only being around seven or eight hundred thousand. Again, that was a little bit smaller tank, so that that was the number. And then now it's 1.2, 1.3 up. It's the new one you're talking about. Yes, we're in a decommission. Yes, it's a sort of rule of now asking how much that's going to cost us. That's the thing that they already put in. You mean to tank the decommission? Yeah, the decommission. Yeah, or in just what, yeah, what do we still, that's a great question. Expense value here. Yeah. Focus on the emergency parts, the value of the parking. That's a great question. There are many assumptions, which, again, we'll talk about. We're going to state part of it. So. I do have a question. Dylan, man. I do have a question. Do you have any idea how much water is it being wasted from that? At the moment. Is that a few? Yes. Wait a minute. It was a 4,000 gallons an hour. The leak originally occurred. If it's going to split us or monitoring. I have reduced the level just below the, just above the leaves. So it significant, we bless them that. But with everyone's demand on the system now, with their irrigation stuff, I can't really get that as accurate, but it's significantly less than 4,000 L. And the allure on the original link. I have a question about, did you mention the new well? Yes. Have the geological study been done in terms of the location? That's to where it's going so that you can avoid the arsenic ice. Yes. And could you tell us where it's going to go, approximately? Not yet. Is that part of what you guys are going to go to a safe? So you've already been able to test the location that you're considering to purchase. So we've had, there's a gentleman that lives in the area, greater, perks in the area, who's engineering firm is, is someone that's one of the best off of her engineers in state to do very familiar with the geology out here. And we originally identified the re-other sites. This one was his highest recommendation for a number of reasons, source protection. Our current well is not too far from the Bell station, gas station, and we all know what happens with soil and water around gas stations. So again, we'll help ensure source protection, but also potentially the source capacity because you can pretty much drill for water almost anywhere, but when you're having a drill of wealth for a community, depth, the ability for that water be charged as you pump, etc., we're all taking into account. So we, Chris knows a lot about this stuff, but when it comes to stuff like that, I mean, definitely like that there's mean, definitely, like, that there's smarter people in the room. That's why we have to use the water, air, stuff, geology, geology, etc. So, I'm not going to ask any of these. I'm just going to ask you something. It's helping us out. You may say, like, there might be pasta air waters, not that safe, good words. Can you elaborate? If you have a lot of public, we never had a lot of people. I guess we have a lot of people. I guess we have a lot of people. Well, while you say right now, what I think that it's referring to is gamma stations tend to leak into the ground and there's several bad accidents with that. Over time, as that gets down into the aquifer, it will contaminate the aquifer. Now it's downstream many more years from now, different things like that. So we're testing monthly as well as quarterly and annually on different tests on both wells. And all the water is safe and very high quality. And those reports are viewed by some county, this in the department, as well as the state of environmental quality. Right, so it's not just us. Yeah, correct. Yeah, we don't, you know, just for folks, if you think, you know, we have some, even though we have a high natural arsenic on the planet of the tanks, whilst we still have some the highest quality water in the area. Due to the mining of the years and years of mining that the Percaseo Regenerate was developed, Percaseo as well as of the most advanced water treatment systems in the world. That's why their water rates are the highest in the state. They kind of make our numbers look silly. Fred and I have a little bit of a very small piece. Carl Sola, my own, says his average water bill is over $300 from where it's from. Oh, it's treatment. Treatment, do we, here it's over three, do they have that kind of treatment? Yeah, good question. We don't have to treat our water. So everybody wants our water because they can't have it. Or you just solve the dedicated to everyone. Those were not in any sense. No, that's not public can see it. So we can definitely publish that original report. Once we get to go ahead for the property, they're actually going to do some more samples for that quality of water. So we'll know before we even drilled major part of the world in that sector. There's always a crash shoot. But that's why we went with the smartest guys on the books. So we have walk ones analysis that's what's informing us. We can share that with that on the share point. So people can see it. Yeah. We have to have that to our site. Thank you. Probably us. Thanks more questions. Yeah, just to clarify, because it identifies the location. Yeah, we should be worried. There might be it. That's why I didn't know when it would be so because of the final. Because it's a twist draft. We can be exact. And that would be the better way to be able to be able to. OK. Just from the time we stand for it. OK. Hi. We do a blending. You said one wells high. That's an EP. It was an old EP level and a new. Where's that number? And where does it mix? Is it just truly so it's just a summer or a great question? It's summer bullet is used as the mixing flight for both wells. We are approved to run the Greenfield well for approximately three months out of the year to use it as a deployment because blended the arsenic level is small. It's just a state doesn't want us to run it around because there could be the potential that arsenic increasing in levels. We've noticed through the years that even with our minimal use it's slowly creeping up. and some accounting for the entire state actually has a TBS, a total dissolved solids issue with wells and they're starting to identify it as the salt. Let's put on the high rate smart 15 groundwater and that's one of the reasons why solar creeps we don't, unless we have to, salt water roads, because we're trying to protect our population. Chris and I, as Ed and John, sometimes the concurrency needs with health department. Yeah, everyone's TDS levels are slowly creeping up. And yeah, that's an identifying as culprit, salting at the road. So again, the stock of curve, hopefully without a safer, so protections that I'm going to have it. Here's this. Okay. Looking on to section five on agenda. Interview of Chesapeake candidates. We have three candidates. We're going to interview change. Part of the public meeting. So you'll be welcome to discuss. Stay for that. Anybody who's meeting, if you want to sign and sign in the work. So we know this year is a clipboard. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Joe and Rick, I would ask you YouTube to step out while we first introduce the Oh, well, the first interview, just the moon, and then we just, this is gonna be the same question to all of you. You don't have to go too far. You can just go on the straight road. Okay, so we're gonna be doing this. Thank you. This is what the audience is doing. Thank you, Dr. Torres. And then, how do you go? All right, what is up? The interview is stay right there, They're going to be in the same place. They're going to be in the same place. They're going to be in the same place. They're going to be in the same place. They're going to be in the same place. They're going to be in the same place. They're going to be in the same place. They're going to be in the same place. They're going to be in the same place. They're going to be in the same place. I was looking at the first one and I was like, I'm just wondering, what was the first thing you did to get this idea? I was looking at the first one and I was looking at the first one and I was looking at the first one and I was looking at the first one and I was looking at the first one and I was looking at the first one and I was looking at the first one and I was looking at the first one and I was looking at the first one and I was looking at the first one I'm not going to be talking about this. I don't want you to do that. I still have all the time today. We've already sent everything for today. Thank you. We so desperately need to focus on this. Why would we preclude her from interviewing today? We're not recruiting her. I was like, I'm not going to be talking about it. There's months left for this. So do you want to see the email she has? I have been all raised here at Brinley County. Regardless, could she not just interview? She could still interact with her. If there's some legal process that I would be doing, then she waits for time. So that's why I'm pleased here to help make sure I'm going through this whole process. So if my solution was in industry, do I generally come in or? OK, why does this guy have these? Here's the one I sent on work. I'm pleased that 625, yeah. Hi Mary, I'm Heather Beck. I'm from the Department of Foreign Application. I'm here to make some. I do. and for that, you're the part of the board of application. So I need your information on the phone. Thank you. So here's one that says, here's my resume for the voter registration. More data see notice. You said receive, thank you. That's due to which I'm saying. We won't be able to get it because, unfortunately, I'll let you know that anything changes to see it is just together in the service room. But maybe there is public hearings in the way that you step. That we must report that you can see to reflect the up to 4.0. You can see anything. And I just put him out regularly in the election. I still have to found out if you're, what's that? Then you can basically tell me that people, poor people, is rammed on the poor people, so they didn't do it. And that you would reach out to me and we were having lunches. Yeah. That's not good. I didn't work for back here on the March 19th. I haven't been back to meet some people. So there'll be the question. What do we have to do? We still do board board members. And these are all, when we go to board, that's when you talk about that. I'm listening. We're definitely talking about that. I think the four-nest is too hot to get in. I mean, yeah, it gets me, but as soon as the crew didn't pack up, I just say, you know, you're not voting on for an industry, you could still opt to, except that was me now. And go ahead and interview tonight, alternatively, you could interview all additional things that have been explicated with the selection, I think, for the future. to go ahead and accept that for to do next meeting. We need to move on to the next meeting. We need to move on to the next meeting. So we need to move on to the next meeting. Yeah, and we have to answer this. Yes. Well, I don't want to say that. Well, you can't really go to the site. Yeah. Can we have a quick set of meetings and meetings and meetings? They are. I'm not operating long enough for the interview. Yes, they were. I lose that we include Mary as part of the interviewing. In the intermotion. No second. Second in. All is there. Today my emotions got sent. All of them. Hi. I guess I'll talk to her. Sorry. I have a lot of time. I have a lot of time. You're going to stay in a good interview. Why not? We'll talk about that. So we need to know what's our process. I'm going to say that. You're going to stay in good interview. Why not? So we need to go into what's a process to also look for future future. We get to hope down. Yes. Yes. OK. So the other team, and this one of the things we are tonight. I'm Jim. I'm Jim. I'm going to ask you the president. We have our first and the I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I wanted to say, well, this is a little noisy. We're going to, I'm going to thank you. I mean, the other word of this, it says, we have, I appreciate it's not having foreign research. This is a bit add-on-sicker lead, but it's five right here. A few of my, like, and next door close. The process is pretty straightforward. Every candidate will be asked the same question. You have every candidate, the opportunity. They answer the same question from the same trustee. And we certainly look forward to hearing what you got to say. The scoring will be weighted, and I don't know actually how it gets published, but we're here to talk about it. It won't be published. People publish, you say boy, the point is very good to people who are by the spot, but you're in individual school with them on it. So I think we can talk about it. Also very good. So actually we'll start with Larry. We'll ask. The first question is got a second, she's down the third and I will ask the 400-dollar question. And a lot of appreciation for that. Well, we're great to hear. Okay, so who's the catcher? John. John. I guess I get to ask this first question. How familiar are you with the challenges and opportunities associated with managing infrastructure in a growing community? Oh, great familiar. I'm a little bit here for 17, 18 years. Chris was native. So as far as this community is, pretty similar to what's expected is, the day to day, you know, voting on the floor and the meetings allowed that to be there. They got into the 2019 years. And it's kind of a great thing, but can you provide an example of a situation where you're gonna make a difficult decision to balance the interest of different stakeholders? Oh, there's this question. We could run voices. Yeah, this is out there. Okay. Okay. You can repeat the question. Sorry. Okay. Can you provide an example of a situation where you have to make a difficult decision to balance the interest of different stakeholders? If you may have to do this all the time and work in my spot, I'm pretty much all of a sudden to listen to everyone's point of view and keep in mind and try to make the best decision that way. To get any pre-judges and any situations, I can't always know everyone's what that is saying and I think it's fair. Appreciate that. Have you ever served on a board of trustees, or any type of board, or volunteer organization, and what was your role and how did you engage? I haven't served in a board, but I want to visit a lot of several businesses businesses and I was wrong. I was shitting on the shafts, I've had jobs where I have 50 employees. I think it is kind of a semi-different decisions, obviously, would be made, but trying to balance 50 employees and make everything fair for everyone. So that's kind of the experience I would bring to it. Okay, Thank you. Thank you very much. Do you have any complex interest that we should know about? Oh, with regard to the service area. At all. And I love living here. I've been here a long time. I like there's no way to go away. This is maybe the most important thing. And what we have for the show right here, I like to feed them. I don't want to see it as far as I mean turn it to the junior promenade or blah blah blah I just see it set of questions. All right. Thank you. Thank you. You can play in that. Thank you. All right. Next candidate. Let's write Joe. The other one. Joe. The other one. The other one. The other one. The other one. The other one. The other one. The other one. The other one. I'm really looking forward to your offer. Thank you. I'm really looking forward to your offer. Thank you. Thank you. Next question. I'll start with the next question. Yeah. Thank you. I look forward to your first question. Thank you. I'm going to start with the next question. Thank you. I'm going to start with the next question. I'm going to start asked the first question. Please. I would have to find the answer. So Joe, how familiar are you with the challenges and opportunities associated with managing infrastructure in a growing community? community. It's not something that I've ever done either professionally or as a volunteer. My involvement with Service Area 3 is you probably know it would been quite limited. I have a particular interest in becoming very well-versed in matters, and I'm committed to dedicating myself to that because, Larry, you're going to be moving and you're creating vacancy, and I feel obligated to continue to represent our particular area within service area 3, which is not a three-way, so there is some geographic isolation too. I think we do have to have representation for people who are in that corner of service area 3.8. And that has motivated me to spend the time that will be necessary for me to become as well-versed in that or as I would need to be so. Thank you. Thank you. My question is, can you provide an example of a situation where you had to make a difficult decision to balance the interest of different stakeholders? I can provide many examples. So I'm currently the CEO of a billion dollar global cybersecurity company and we were acquired by private equity about four years ago. And as a result, we had to make a series of cost model corrections to business, which often involves reductions in workforce, which is a very difficult thing to do. But you need to be able to manage the difficulty of those decisions, which impacts the lives of real people, some of which can be close friends in order to do what is in the best interest of the organization itself and its general welfare and it's ongoing interest. So these are some of the more difficult decisions that you will have to make economically, we're, we're a real eyes are impacted, but for you need to do what is in the best interest of the ongoing operation, the rest of the workforce, and your obligations here at investors, your obligations here share holders, or any of the constituents that you're representing. Thank you. Have you ever served on a board of trustees, directors, or advisors outside of a corporate environment? I've served on the board of directors for a couple of nonprofit organizations. Most recently I served on the board, directors for the Stig the cyber threat alliance, which is a global consortium of voluntary participants across the cyber security industry. I have two years of service with them. Thank you. Yeah. Hey, Paul. Besides knowing me, you have another conflict with the people. To win the service area. Do I need to disclose that at every meeting? That's a handful of interest that I know you. It depends on people. All right. Let me think we're not about that. I don't have any other affiliations or business interests that I believe are qualified. Thank you. Thank you for time. We'd like to leave a man. Okay, now, you know, picture first. Okay. Now, now, picture first. Yeah. We've actually won the award. First, you need breaks. Yes, please. Thank you. Is that a right here? Yeah. I see. Four. All right. All right. Thank you. Hello. How's it going? All right. Do you want me to, wherever you want us to be? Where are the kids? I'll go right against the kids. Oh, y'all, I can't tell. Okay, I get the first question again. Let's see which one it is. Three. So, I'll, my glasses on you. So Rick, how familiar are you with the challenges and opportunities associated with managing infrastructure in a growing community? From a professional background or from just any background. So basically my background is I grew up, I mean I'm an engineer by schooling, I spent 20 years as a large engineer, now I have my own business, I run a hockey school for adults, who camps around the country. So I don't have any specific training in that sector. I came to a meeting in May, one of the Thursday morning coffee and tea with service area three, learned a little bit about it. Vince and John were telling me that they needed board members and asked if I'd be interested. I said, I would give this a thought and decided I I'm willing to do it. I don't know if I could answer your question. I can explain a little bit through that in terms of the challenges of the different things like that. It's a good answer. Thank you. Can you provide an example of a situation where you have to make a difficult decision that balances the interest of different stakeholders. I mean, in running my business, I guess I do that all the time really, between working with my coaches and my clients and stuff like that. So something I would do on a regular basis. More specific? No, you just do. Okay. I guess you're choice. Have you ever served on a board outside of a corporation? Before I moved here at the Chicago for a few years, I was on the HOA board for my condo for one year. That was enough. So, I gender back. All right, so I became president, like, I think it was two years. I don't know what it was. Being on to being president to be in, like, I'm out here. I'm out here. Okay, first of all, that's it. What's the grandest service area? Okay. Thank you. All right. So I think Mary's our last one. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you. That's Mary's last name. And I mean, and they are. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. What's Mary's last name? Mary. Mary. And they have five. This is the first time you're here. Where is the last name? Mary. Mary. Is that that? I think that's right. Great. Great. Okay. Good. Good. Okay. So I get the first one. So how familiar are you with challenges and opportunities associated with managing infrastructure in a growing community? Energy. Energy. Water roads. I mean, I'm a person in the community. I wouldn't say that it managed to. Well, but. You know, you're with the management of it. I've not been on the board or event. You can see before. That's the honest answer. OK, doesn't mean I'm not people doing it. Well, you've seen management. You've seen what's going on in the community. So you're familiar with that. How long have you been here? I have two other minutes. Okay. So any other thoughts on infrastructure? Challenges and opportunities associated, right? So it's not necessarily doing the managing, but it's the challenges and opportunities of managing. You know like Red Crosswalks for example. Let's move on to that. Yeah. Okay. Thanks. Am I there, my question, too? I'll leave all the guys antitrust. Can you provide an example of a situation where you have to make a difficult decision to balance the interest of things that probably do in my everyday life. You know, I do get to have the balance that family situation. They're all stakeholders. I have life. And so you have to decide between one decision and another that doesn't always benefit everyone. So I do the same thing in my career, I'm a really citizen, I'm a person, and I advise H.O.A.s and bold citizens, things like that constantly. And so there's always a, there's always the need to balance the, what, you know, a specific violation versus the growth or the best situation through the whole community. So I've taken on a lot of roles balancing that or at least being advice other their people to do that. Have you ever served on a board outside of a corporate environment? No, I haven't. What's the question? You have any conflicts of interest in slides, sir? I'm not going to be a bit more interested in that. I'm not going to be interested in that. I'm not going to be interested in that. I'm not going to be interested in that. I'm not going to be interested in that. must have something must have come up about infrastructure, those people have to tie the streets and do a lot stuff. Sure, yes, well, I mean, that's true. Yes, a lot of it is, you know, but you know, I was seven months and who does what and how best to do it and be able to advise people on finding different quotes from different companies and things like that. It's like a big picture perspective. So any issues that come out, it goes directly to us and then you can discuss the best alternative conditions. Let's say I answer that question. We're explaining it. So this is an interview process. We have another board meeting in two weeks. Well, I don't know if that's scheduled yet. We just need to make sure I have a call. Man, that's a question. Why is she given different questions in the interview? They're all the same questions. Your questions and the line of questions that you've been posing are inconsistent with. What does every other candidate have for the questions? Yes, she has listed. You have to ask her numerous questions that isn't consistent with the other candidates. Absolutely. Every morning answer was provided when it was asked first time. That's why he was asking clarifying questions to fill on what would happen. That wasn't the case with all the other candidates. Should we offer that to any other candidate? Yeah, I think they're all here. I think they're here to our other candidates. They're here. They're here. They're here. They're here. They're here. They're here. and sharing their experience before additional comments because our goal and talking to Mary was to provide information as far as what your experience was. The first question we asked you was about familiar with managing the infrastructure. You was you had none and that's where Larry was thinking she's got something as a real and when you answered it was a real estate attorney that's why we came back to the question that says there's got to be more so let's get more information so that's what we did in everybody I think it's something to remember yes she Would you like to respond more to your answers? I think I can answer. You can answer. On all four questions. That's an awful thing. Yeah. But they're all sitting in the room. We are not sitting in the room. This is not a single day. I have someone you can understand. For example, you have the other candidates sitting in the room. She's the final candidate. And you're asking her additional questions. Why not pick one person? We're picking one or four of four of four. I don't even understand that. But if it's our chance, we need to do it in different frequencies to say about it was to provide electricity and for all of our candidates. Because that's not what is happening here. I feel like I can't have the fear of treating the questions. Thank you. Okay. As long as that's the case, that's the case. I'm scared. Yeah. I'm like to know. I have my own uncertainty. I was asking more and I've gotten to say this is a good thing. We don't know who's up or lower. Do you guys know? Yeah, that's a good question to you. I think I want the no lower lower lower We have more positions so that you don't only take right now to lower one upper right? Yes. That's apparently when we have open corrects right now. So we sit here right now. Yes, that's where we have two homes certainly right now. So sit here right now yes. So we have two homes that are selling. So that's not for now. So you have three spots of which only two people are competing two uppers the other two are basically going to get in as a matter of right. Because no other candidates are out. And I don't want to see what I can do. that we could inter-visualize. But at what point do we get? What you can do, what you can do, what you can do. It's putting notice of resignation that says, I intend to resign as soon as it is appointed. We're all through putting a set date, and we should have that. Those are kind of your two options, is that answer your question? Yes. Or would there be an election then that those two seats are vacant in the elections? Well, that's already an election in the vacant. So they had a point or if you don't point, I don't know, I don't know. How long have you been in positions when they came? But one of them was as of January. And the one is on the lower half or beginning of 2023. What happened to David? That they're not filled with the county council has to step up. So that's an option for the county. And I talked to Robert or Dr. or Dr. about that. I'm sitting at you and I said, by you, one of the send-out of the war, so the county needs to be climbed. But I don't think that that's true. That's not the way the law reads. And I think that your lawyer will have to get into a legal thing and we can put on the record. But I don't think that that's true, that that's not the way the law reads and I think that your lawyer You don't have to get into a legal thing we can put on the record Section 28 dash one dash five one two She particularly got which says the kind of counsel shawl and point New board members and as I think counsel knows there's a procedure for that Where applicants then need to apply to the county council or the county council to apply her own people So I just don't want this board to make mistakes that then get things undone so that then all the regulations that you all pass stay valid. So I believe you're in a you do not actually have the opportunity right now to elect a representative. Unfortunately county council has to appoint and go through that process of having Representatives, send in the application process through that if not the County Council can't appoint their own people. Whether or not Mr. Armstrong is not interested. The entire County Council has to make that determination, but when the statute says County Council shall, there's no option. That's just a law. So There's no option. That's just a wall. So, uh, it's 28-1-512, which I can't agree with that. I appreciate it. But you also have to have people that, if you're ready to serve, up until this point point no one has agreed to serve on the board so I can speak to that the county council can appoint people outside of this community to come in and that's going to be the county's problem so if you go to them and go hey no one wants to serve like county you better come up with some people and it very well maybe it's these four people there in this room but let's do it the right way so that you don't vote them in and then next month I'm not speaking of the quality of any of these candidates here today I just want you guys to do things the right way so that you don't have problems some laws you're going to pass everyone's going to love some you're going to pass some people aren't going to like but let's make them all bulletproof and do it the right way. I don't know my only point. Yeah. I don't know that I agree that they can be anywhere in the county of Stonefish. Yeah, but either way, as you these are applicants they can, and that should be afforded to the county, suggest that certs area work with the county to go through that process and make all the statutory as we're attempting to do to do care, but that's correct. I mean, make it a care of transportation and make the count ever. And whatever in the notice requires it. Because then there's going to be notice to apply to the national and federal. I might suggest legal counsel to take a look at any other vacancies that have been filled outside of the 90 day. Winder that went out properly appointed by the County Council because then that could have potential ramifications for invalinating other things that have passed. So for example, if you're sitting on this board and you were taken on 90 days after the vacancy, had occurred there is a chance that it is not appropriate that I would definitely suggest conferring with the Irrigal Council to ensure that we are in civil liability situation for things that I was voted in. I think it was my turn. But was it outside the 90 days? No. I was going to say I don't like that. I don't like that. That's not been something I've got to say. And the questions are only like once it has to be before January or something like that. So you have no idea what to do. Like, okay. So elections happen in the normal election cycle. So, but the application has to be done before June 30 to the count. So yes. So here again, it is a single vote. And the other two have elections this year. No, look. But we did have an election. We did have an election. We did have an election. And we're only two writing candidates for upper and lower. And the county said that good cancelling election. Cancelling the election. The people that were the right in candidates would be, I don't know, would you? It was not. It was an unaposed. Yeah, it was elected on a post. So every member of this board in that case is elected. And that's the very normal point in the song. That's like provisions to... That's off for the resign. I offered the resign. I offered the resign. I offered the resign. I offered the resign. I offered the resign. I offered the resign. I offered the resign. I offered the resign. I offered the resign. I offered the resign. I offered the resign. I offered the resign. We do the 14-day notice prior to the meeting and give an application that nothing that will be prepared to be from, again, guess maybe we want to ask the candidates if they're 20 years old, that's down. There's nothing that will be prepared to be from fighting those two. Forwarding our recommendations. There's a lot more interest in this board. Can we do another round of asking for candidates? Do we have to wait to the openings? Yes. Great. Just to be clear, I'm not like just dying together. Yeah, I'm just saying. Like if you have some of you people want to jump on. I'm good. No, no, no, no. You're there yourself. I'm a county appointment. So, in terms of people's conditions, the ones that were vacated from the country. Those would be the three. I mean, future decisions, as long as it's within 90 days, but by the vacancy, that would be this board. Doing this. Thank you. I just want to ask you, maybe, and then address. I'm trying to be in charge. Thanks, Greg. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Don't. Moving on to agenda item six, which is the water section. The first item for discussion is the overreality allocation usage. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. So, to explain exactly what this over-early allocation of use engineering is, is this just and just report or yeah so that was the question. Mr. Dell, I'll try to understand over just fly only to the upper or the lower I think Mr. Bell understood that 25 cent coverage applies to anybody on what on service areas water rights. We wanted to have a discussion with the board obviously with the community to discuss that and make Chris and I would have the recommendation for the board. And we continue the dialogue, we try to fit the meaning and potentially look at other options to address the situation. So can we make the motion that we go through another sound with the schedule review or? Yeah, if it wouldn't be the schedule review would be more specifically the judge and the point to five cents, the 25 cent leverage to address that. And again, obviously what the community has consult with legal and then also get, you know, better understanding of how we should do this. And, you know, again, as some of the board members know, are the community knows, I do have an open door policy to come in and just either understand your side of it, understand our side of it, give some explanations. We started a event that some of you have attended each month. So just come in and sit down and have a couple coffee and a donut with us. And for us to hear your needs once, complaints, just in a very civil organized, it was that world community members here, we're all doing our best. I love seeing people here, if you're pissed off or not, if you have good things to say about, because, you know, quite frankly, we've had more people show up recently than we've had in the last probably six years combined. And so, you know, we'd love to help you understand. And I'd love that we have some very interested parties in the community. We have a very difficult puzzle to solve. And no matter what we do, some are going to like it so much. And it's going to be this up and down all the way around. The true definition of border trustees is to simplify things, to do what's best for this community. And these four board members, most of these guys would rather not be here. I have served two terms on the board, and I have to shoot actually left and right. It's not like any one of us or these guys came in here saying, hey, you have to get a scrubs in everybody. That's the furthest from where this dedicated group is looking at. We have a set of roles, unfortunately, where there's political subdivision of the state of Utah. We have a set of roles that we have to follow. So in some ways, what we like to do more or less, absolutely, we're somewhat handcuffed to state law. Some of the things that, you know, I've heard through the years, a dozen years, they're great ideas that there's nothing we can do unless you go and legislate with our lawmakers to change some of those laws. That's kind of a very difficult process in this day and age. So I think the Board of Reasons, we welcome people. We want more perspective, we want more ideas, we want to view the boss, so learn more about how this community works and what we can't do. We have two very limited scope, so I don't be do here. Road maintenance and some of the road maintenance and parks. And then we have the water system. And Peter, what do you do in gray? I think probably realizing this, we have some of the most complex water systems out there because of our water rights and our water shares. In some ways it's a very good advantage. That's why I'm here because I'm in a fully craft, compared to the rest of the park city in general, I'm getting point 758 repeat of water. And that's dedicated to my life. That's why I moved here. You go just across the street, somewhat similar, but their rates are really more than ours. You go in Park City, or around the regional excitement. Well, they're even charging me for the very first So, we, yes. I just want to bring it before we go too far off. My name is Mara Daniels and I'm an eighty seven point forward. You said earlier we have this situation to address on the war rights and something we're going to like it and something we're not like it. I want to know who specifically is not going to like the breaking brought down to a list of all things. That's a great way to look at it. And that's why I think I suggested that we re-look at this. You know, at the end of the day, what we're trying to protect is the water rights, those water shapes. Because it is a sticky topic throughout the entire state. Water is everybody wants water and not water to get. We live in a dry state. So, yes, we want to talk more about it right away. Listen to you if you want to talk more about it right. We listen to the wanting age No, so we'll try and Figure something out without jeopardizing the stress for the community. Do you need a do you need a motion? We passed to having administration You know Look at this liking we're suggesting. Yeah, I don't know if we must have there a reading of motion, we just need direction from the reality of this. Yeah, so I'm just going to discuss my direction. I just can meet because it's a call the time it was set for water origin. None of us got to speak about the water of over just so I'd like to different drivers and said, hey, what are you doing? Is there a fire going on? You take the water down. You know that I need to go out and fight horses, whatever. And I've gotten, well, my boss has an agreement with somebody in service area 3. He's allowed to take the water. And I've seen them drive out of this community because I've followed them. Okay. Okay, I've got another one that's saying, oh, we do the roads in silver cream. So we're going to water the roads. I've followed that driver, not watering the roads. And then recently I've gotten from some board people and also some of the fellow brothers, I've been so gotten that that water that they're taking from my hydrant, they're selling to Red Hawk at 10 cents a gallon. Sorry, sorry. So I want to know if that's true and if that is true, then when you're saying, if we have a deficit and you're reported to the state, how can you say that it was neat at me to go over and not the water that you guys are selling to enough community for five cents? That's me is the most important thing of this entire thing. And I don't know if anybody else knows that way, but I'm like so offended that you're going to charge me 25 cents and you're selling it for five cents. And they're going to say, I made your overage. So, because you've got to do that, we're not trying to get the problem. So, we're $1,000 in that house. So, to address, sorry, I ended here hear a pre-work. Kelly howdy, though. Okay, so, I'll address the other water systems. So, we did sell water to Red Hawk, our neighbor, which is the number silver group. The water system went down, they had a well-goed ride, and they also had a pump on their secondary well-goed. One time, this was in the winter time, and they couldn't find the issue the second time was about a month ago and we did sell them water to be the good neighbors and keep those people so that they could still be within their homes. So that was after that was after so just a month ago so that was after you and it was the 25th send per gallon over it for us. So I'm going to ask another party question. The overage is a different discussion to me. This is Stanley Walter, not Tom. I mean, no, hold on. Selling water is different than your overage because you're using more than your allocation. We already have, no, whoever's raising their hat as am. So we're selling water to help people have water in their homes to help them with an emergency that they have. So that's that one. Now Mrs. Dell, did you reach out to the service area when you saw these water trucks filling out? Because I'm concerned if you truly saw one leave the neighborhood. The one... This was probably four years ago. I mean, this is that one saying you said it's been twice. I've been watching people are using... No, no, no, I'm saying selling to Red their water their whole water system went down every home up there was had no water. Okay, but the construction water that you're talking about on the roads we would you have a contractor that does the roads here within service area. So the one comment I you know I can't speak for our contractor and how he dealt with that. Now, I'm concerned saying that you saw a different vehicle fill up and leave the neighborhood. No, they're all the same like a water truck. Well, yeah, but there's, yeah, if anybody here in this room sees the water truck filling out up and leaving the neighborhood, that's the water. I need to know that because like Geneva doing the construction right here, they're filling up a fire hydrant right here by the same player. And they're being charged for that water that they're using to do all this construction here, is that what rates are? So, as I said, it's in the policy of the NIRP schedule and they have $100,000 in their $1,000. So, maybe the same thing. So, I think it's one of the videos of those trucks. So I Was I probably you have a Red yeah, yeah, so that maybe I'm getting with trade curtains officers and saying we need to practice we need to check People down Because at the same time, you know, I've got contractors hooked up right here in front of my office. They pull right in the neighborhood with their water vehicle, took right up and I'm rolled right into the office and I'm just excuse me what you do. You know, that's what I've had other people within the community called the office or called me directly. Hey, I see a truck up here. Is it valid? Is it not valid? And yes, non-valid stuff and we have to charge those people for that kind of stuff or completely stop. So please everyone, if you saw something like Mrs. Elf, please contact office, you know, Jody, myself directly, if you have me directly, so that we can address these things because we don't want that water. So, yeah, we know. Now, is that answer you, Mrs. Delph? Thank you. It's just that I'm still, like I guess I'm still confused because it's been a long time, so many years I guess you're saying so. Well, well, the practice keeps to stop it in the past. And are we still selling it now? Now we're having this problem. We're still still water. So how do you hear my question? How do you prove that that water that you're selling isn't making, if we end up importing it over as at the end of the year to the state? How are you going to say that it's my house or his house or their house? And not the water you sold? So we have an industrial record. So when we report I have all of the people here all the points and diversions on addresses and that's all recorded here in the mixed spreadsheet. Okay, and then I have additional line items for hydrants and stuff like that where we're selling that individual wire for construction. So so it's a counter for in the reports that we send to the state. And those are all on the same website. Are the hybrids here? Yeah, we're here. I was trying to get this as well finished. So, sorry. Mary, please. Thanks. So, when you do have an emergency situation like that with Greta Hoppe, who made the decision? Did that decision come to the board for them to decide whether or not to sell the water to Greta Hoppe and have what price? Or did you make that decision? I made that decision. Is that what you mean? The prices are already set. Part of our rate of fee schedule and I made that decision there because we're the closest community to help to help them as our neighbors. But do you have the authority to make that approved it on the rate and the extent, the rate and fee for, like, some time, it's not new. It's no different than we have an emergency connect in case sober pre-cutting emergency with a problem regionally and never live. So it's kind of like, yes, we have this problem that we will address the solid. But at the same time, at the end of the day, we're all community. And so, the same way about regional health is in case the emergency working to help red hot in their see in its short term. the moratorium on the police schedule and before reduced to the absolute Okay, and I think that's our recommendation from staff that's sort of good at this and you know it's great as the volunteer are it's a very intricate walls with water and everything, so they'd be sometimes to see if it's a recognition or stat. We do the research, and then we will make recommendations. Sometimes those recommendations come back, sometimes reports us now. So, it's a really good way for people that don't understand flows. You know, we rely on Chris, Chris's knowledge range is this within a site of DEA with water. And then we've got two firms on retainer that help us with water engineering engineering, and hydrology, et cetera. And then we also have people counsel with our experts in law laws. So yes. I would like to thank all the four members that are certain. I mean, I do not envy your job at all. And I appreciate everyone that's put their name forward to be part of the board. So I think behalf of most of us, thank you very much. Yes, that's put their name forward to be part of the board. So I think behalf of most of us, thank you very much. Yeah, that's very nice to meet you. I'd like to say thank you. Once you said you got on I am watered, you saw your usage, you're doing what you can to the best of your ability to conserve. Right. You know, and I'm like that be in over. So I don't know if I'll make it for the rest of the year. But there's still significant amount of people, probably people in this room, that are not taking advantage of seeing that information and that data on their own wells. I'm just, I think I'm saying to the people here, every person, I'm going to be on the line on the board. I'm just interested in what I know is around the world. I can tell you the story. That's especially our very investment. Yeah, very investment. And I just want to say thank you for that. It just looks as if such a highly, highly sought after. Yeah, absolutely. I agree with that. So, sorry. Oh, no, I think we're able to say. Oh, I remember that. Two things are the problem. Because all of our areas we have to protect our waters. And you'll be finding that you're actually selling water. Right. And I have an issue with that. I'm going to get it so. How much have you sold? How much have you made? Where is that money? Yeah, five cash. And my second part of that is, I'm going to be a professional where I'm accountable. I'm accountable to the people. Every four years they're going to decide whether or not I'm employed or not. Who are you accountable to? You should be accountable to us and I'm being spoken to like you're not. I don't like it. And I'm going to tell you you're you're you're walking a sleep of joy because I'm coming after all of them. Because I don't like the tone of this. I don't like what we've done. I don't like your arrogance. Because you're all arrogant. You work for us. We don't work for you. You forgot us. You pissed off some really powerful people. And you're good-pig-for-us. And I would ask that the board actually do a proper survey of what other people are being charged in the area and not come up with an arbitrary amount of $25,000. So that's actually. Let's start with how that can out too. So I'll be a quick question and. Superbilla. I was. Yes. Yes. Yes. And how long was that we came for? The lead was made to Months was in the 15 until That mask So that overage there how is the You know the war for it to be penalized for that being like the residents are being penalized for their leaks? So, one that occurred, it was at 4,000 gallons an hour. Okay. Because I've lowered the levels on the tank to reduce all of that to keep it just above. It's not skewing in 4,000. I can't calculate it because of the usage right now. But it's a lot. It's cumulative use is going to be more than the 78920 resistance that went more. That'd be a safe assumption. Yeah, that's a little bit interesting. It's correct. But it's being meaner just so you know. So we have 25 seconds again. So the second part is your beam video is serviceted with your usage of solar ones and volts because it's been proven that that is back into the water table. So it's a state of a sun shouldn't it anyone does have a leak and is no trivial use that that will also go back into the water table. So I'm being penalized for a leap that's going back into the water. Greg? Yeah. Yeah. So that's a very, so for reporting those leaves, that's still part of what is. Anything that is metered as coming out, that's ultimately what we charged together to do for the water rights. So even though it's charging the off-referred as charging, that's what I say charging in terms of when you're accounting for that water right to the state. So we had a sense in the risk and there was a consensus that we basically couldn't use the amount of water that was being of those features. There was a leak. Yeah. And so again, and interesting, what you see in a lot of subdivisions is that that's how people would discover leaks. And I've heard people who's water bills going into the thousands because it's like a strong a big one. But they don't really realize that things are going to be too far. So here at 87,000 dollars Is it the $1,000? That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it's right. So, what? I think I'm going to have a little bit of a big, a bit of a family, a Walter. Right. And me, I'm going to be very much appealing to me, because I'm going to be a huge, more rich, more rich, more rich. I think you achieved your purpose in getting everyone's attention to watch your water. You did it to me. I never even looked at my water. I think the 25 cents was creative to get everyone I understand. I respect your efforts to be proactive in conserving the water. I never knew until I got my meter. So I had no idea what I was using them using the amount of water based upon the facts of the property that I had when I bought it with the amount of lawn that it has which is half acre lawn which I think is a reasonable amount of lawn for a beautiful home. It requires 54,000 gallons a month as a matter of fact my analysis is that you need about 600 gallons a week per a thousand square feet which is 24400 gallons a month for every 1,000 feet that I have, and I have about 20,000 square feet. So there's nothing I can do other than without my law. I had that, so I'm not being an excessive user. I respect your, you know, whatever your views on that are that I should have built a lot. And you guys have accounted for that in an excellent manner that everyone should know, and that the new people were coming into the community. Service Area 3 reviews all of their plans for what they want to build and say. And one of the things that specifically says in there is that we're only allocating to you .23 acre feet or .26 acre feet, which basically if you go by the rule of thumb of an inch of water for every square foot that you have, you basically service area 3 is decided that here's what's for your home and for your lawn you can have 5,000 square feet of grass or lawn and trees. And if you want more than that, go by a watershed. The new people coming in, you know up front, you're going to let you want to build in this community, you want to live here, you want to do that, build something new, that's what it's going to be, and that's fair for them, and that's fair for the next 100 people that are going to come in. But you have a situation now with a lot of residents, 400 or more that have been here already, that have what they have. I have a building that wants 20,000 square feet riding over here. No one else can do that anymore. I'm going to law. I screwed it up for everybody. It's just the way it is, but it's an ex-post-facto is what it's called, what you're trying to do now, and it's not fair, basically, on the existing nature of what we have. Now, what's the solution? What am I asking? What are we all asking of the board? Whether or not you have the authority to even charge over that amount, I don't think anyone's saying you can't charge us. We want free water. No base here. I had it. I wanted the other board members. Scott came. All was kind enough to meet with me tonight before Suzanne and Larry,'m sorry you couldn't make it. It was a great meeting. 80 residents came, everybody was unified, it was a good feeling and everyone stood up and we just want a reasonable rate. We want to not even, we're not even, we think 25 cents of a reasonable, but we could receive facts and information from you that say you guys are actually getting a bargain. But all the research that everyone else is doing, we're looking at our neighbors, we're looking at mountain regional water that, once you've got 100,000, which is their highest rate, you're at 3.7 cents a gallon. So we're all just doing the common sense thing like we go by a product. How much is it here? How much is it there? What's the reasonable rate amongst everybody. We're not looking at it as we have the most strict conservation as police in the world for service area three, because it's not like right now we only, I believe the board right now in the message that your sending is acting like we only have a million gallons and we have to ration it amongst all the neighbors. And if we were at that position, 100%, and if we were at that position, we%, and if we were at that position, we would be at $100 a gallon over our lava, because it would be completely inappropriate. But right now, we're not going to deficit. And so we have to look at what we have. We have to look at that water table every year. But more importantly, we're asking right now is the 25 cents is not even in the realm of reasonableness compared to anyone else. We haven't seen any study as to what else is going out there. We're looking at our neighbors. We're not saying don't charge us. Come up with a reasonableness. But for right now, we're asking that that 25 cents a gallon over its charges removed effectively immediately. And the reason there's a sense of urgency right now is that I've researched the law spoken with lawyers Marry, I want to make sure you're listening You got me okay The law that you passed on April 9th is invalid. It's legally insufficient. I haven't told July 9th in the residents to sue service area 3 to invalidate that I don't want you guys to incur another couple thousand dollars. I Would suggest and I can talk to your council and explain to him why it's invalid. I would suggest that you make it a median motion to suspend the overcharge. And then we don't have to file all of this because that's the only prop. Well, I have, that's really the only issue with this. And this was passed as a resolution. The resolution is and valid for very legally sufficient reasons. Not going to reason of us just didn't follow the procedural modes that hasn't followed. So can we explain that? Sure. In the resolution, one of the reasons we're supposed to provide a remedy under a law, for people that they don't agree with the resolution, they can appeal it. When you pass a resolution, that language has to be in the resolution. Has to say, you have 30 days to dispute this, and your remedy is to go to this board and file a lawsuit. The resolution that you passed and published doesn't contain that. As such, it's legally insufficient. What's the remedy? The judge is gonna go ahead however long you take to litigate this and say he's likely correct. The resolution's invalid and you guys can go back and do exactly the same thing. Okay? But your new rates will be effective months down the road if you lose the lawsuit. I'm not looking for a free ride. Nobody is here. I'm just kidding. But right now you have, I don't want to sue you for 4 July 9th. You're going to incur what's your rates? How much do you charge on? Your friend. It's a lot. Whatever it is, it's probably you get a nice deposit government rate, but it's got to be at least $400 an hour. I don't want to get too fit. It's too fit, very kind. Thank you. Well, thank you. It's good to meet you. I'm not threatening. I'm coming forward communicating saying, I'm going to do this. It's invalid. Your lawyers will advise you. It will cost you money. It will cost us money as well. It costs us money. That's right. Yeah, and I don't want to do that. So either way, we're going to get to our goal getting that changed. And maybe it's only for 30 days or whatever. But this board, and I'm talking to the board, I'm not really, that makes a decision as to what the people want. You have never heard from this many people in the community. So something in this bother and most of the people in this room are not going over. That's what astonishment is that all these people came to the meeting when I put out this thing. They just came out of fairness. They weren't going over. I kind of was like saying they're all going to think I'm some rich asshole who doesn't want to pay. But yet they came and they're like, this is just not fair. We live in this community and how did they come up with this? So I would ask that, and if you need to speak to your council because this is now something you need us to step out of the room and you have to have your whatever kind of meeting. What do you have to close your doors? Whatever kind of close meeting that's fine, but I would ask you to set that over to side. And let's talk about the practical application of that. There's no harm. The aquifer is not going to get significantly damaged in the next 30, 60, or 90 days unless Chris tells us otherwise. I think that the silver bolt's doing plenty of damage in the next 30, 60, 90. Everyone will be okay here, and the community will calm down for a little bit. And then we'll have a talk where you can come with the data. We're all regional people and say, hey, here's who the next. And there's a specific company, person, those who does it. Maybe you guys did it already. But it wasn't shared when anybody here who does the analysis of what everyone just tell us. This is why the rate needs to be that. But don't come to us and just say we're doing it in a community because we don't deserve to be treated like that. We're all trying to be respectful. And I understand you have some issues with people who are very high abusers. Well then come out and just say, we got people who are using three million gallons and set a threshold at another number. So that's here. You know, set it here. But you get some feedback, set a subcommittee of what your issues are. You guys don't know everything, everything in here with 5, 6 people in here. You could probably never have the opportunity to say, we want a subcommittee and so we're creating. Because we're looking around a room that's freaking empty. Now you've got to talk with five people right here tonight if you said we want to be on the water subcommittee who would all say, yeah, so I'm bringing you solutions. I'm not telling you the facts. And I'm asking you tonight, you can all step out of this room, because I don't want to file another lawsuit. It's fine doing it when I'm getting paid, when I'm not, I don't enjoy it. And I don't think this, and I don't like spending, I'm wasting money, I'm wasting your money, I'm wasting these people's money. So please reconsider it. Thank you. I think about the comment and get enough. Just maybe add to it. We did have a big crowd where we had this great fee about 80 use. So there was a lot of people at that time, and it was actually, despite getting sort of yelled at, it was also great that we had people cheer, given input. So my or some of this, we will go through the same thing we just did with a rate fee. It will be public. The public can comment on it. We can correct these things. I expected this one to be changed. This was a big thing that we got everybody on the meter and then hopefully everybody that got on the a meter got a radar and it can watch it interactively. It's actually very interesting to see your water basically check. In January I like that kind of stuff. So it's cool. And why is it going to be on it? So I suggest we give direction to our staff. I'd actually, if I may, I advise that you do not even give direction to the staff, that you are not thinking to give further action to the session on the side of the telephoto session. Thank you. Okay. And I will just say as a lawyer, and you have counsel that I can say whatever I want You as well I can say whatever I want you guys can do whatever you want with regard to this So if you feel that you were elected by the people the community and there's enough of a voicin with community that You want to go with what the people the community do you have the right to do that? So if this and Chris and John are still saying that's what they want, but you actually represent us, not now. So I want to be clear because a lot of times you just get caught up in what you're doing. This is a community coming to you with what they want. So I ask you to please consider that and listen to the people. They don't ask a lot of this neighborhood. I mean a lot of complaints but not global with everyone on the same page. This is a very rare. Well, what I'm hearing is that this overage charge happened very quickly after a lot of people all of a sudden now had meters and are now becoming aware of their water usage. And so I hear what you're saying, and they're very good points that everybody's made. And I think that you'll definitely, absolutely give good consideration to this. I appreciate what everybody is saying. And, you know, I mean, yeah, I mean, I came into this meeting and I think you'd pay everything over what I could put forever is, it's illegal. Well, yeah, but there is also the consideration of, well, now we know how much water we're using This board made lots of different efforts to get everybody Meaders in this neighborhood. I appreciate everybody who's done it You know son it took arm twisted. It's true But everybody has done it and it's really quite an achievement. So we should take advantage of that data that we're seeing. And I think the good intentions of people in this neighborhood. Thanks. Yeah, I say something like, in addition to what Chris said, we are not saying that we're not willing to pay the overages. It just needs to be more reasonable. So, yes, it happens quickly. Right now we're scrambling trying to get irrigation people to find our leaks and do that stuff. So, it's still a lot of water. And I'm looking at it every day and I'm obsessed with the water. He's like, you got to stop the water. He's like a gyusobic water. But it's, we're trying. But say we do go over because I also have a hand grenade here and grass, which I don't think is excessive. Just make it reasonable. Put it on a tier. Someone uses a million gallons and maybe it's 50 in cents. Someone uses two millions. Then you go to 20 by cents. Five cents, 10 cents, fifty cents. Most of the municipalities do a great schedule like that. It's not just a flat 25th. Well, it's true. That's true, but we have a little different situation here where we want to get your foot, we don't charge for that one. But even if you charge me three cents a gallon, from the very first gallon, with what I went over last year that I now know, I would be paying much less, and it would be a reasonable amount for me to pay from water. The 25 cents puts me at $45,000 the end of the year, which we just can't do. If I was structured three cents, I'd be at maybe for the entire year, it'd be paying $1,500 a month, which in the summer months, I would have to do that if I was using too much for my horses, too much for my lawn. But $40, $45,80, it's not reasonable. That's what we're saying. That's what we want before to understand as a community, everybody's feeling that same thing. That flat 25 cents rate is not reasonable. Totally agree with that, but I'd also ask, is there a way that the service area three gets leveraged a way to purchase additional water rights that in the community can come back and buy it? When I was talking to Vince, it's like, yeah, you can try to find it on the, you know, secondary market, but you gotta get a lawyer, you gotta do this, you gotta do that. There's no way that the average Joe Schmoe, I don't think, could, could figure that out. But if the service area is re-warded, it'd be saying, hey, look, you happen to be a quarter of an acre of foot over your usage last year, would you like to buy half an acre of foot or a quarter of an acre of foot? I could go in with my neighbors, we could get one acre of foot together, it could be an investment. This is ways I would love to be water-responsible But if I'm in the same situation we've got a ton of trees that I think are good for the community I don't want to lose those I want to pay for the water that I'm using to protect those trees But I don't know how to do it and I don't know how to go about and buy Extra water shares if that was something that you know if I don't know how to go about and buy extra water shares if that was something that, you know, if I can't get my usage under an acre foot, you know, a year. I appreciate that that was an event as well. Before I joined the board, I was in the exact same situation that you're trying. And I was given the exact same answer I didn't do. We need to go back to it, except they said I have to go to their counsel and I had to get counsel. And so I hear what you're saying, let me go back to the counsel and let's put this problem, let's get this problem raised because that if you're going to sell bikes, that's the gallon of water to sell it to the rest of the, you have to look at that as much. I think that's, yeah, to me, my opinion, we're going to go through another round of this. And we did change a few things. This was an unknown given, we got a lot of people meters. This was a, and I don't know, I thought it was last year, not April, but it's a different story. But I think it's, yeah, we've got it through the examin' it. And one of the other ones that you should look at is not, we need to charge more, more for construction and stuff like that as my opinion. So this will be a public board. They're gonna make recommendations. We're in the back and say, can't just, we're not, you know, we can vote no on things. That's the thing. That's the thing. But we have to work it out. That's the biggest thing. At the time, we had this stuff where, you know, this is our feeding schedule. We you know there's some of it that's always these not great or it's actually maybe illegal so I have no idea and it's just now it's time to revise and we will go to that part but it does have to go through steps to get there and now we have new board members. So I think it's another reason to reexamine it is we'll have more likely board members. I think any docs it says to, that you're supposed to have a water advisory board. And everybody can send it to us and we'll be able to represent it. I don't know if you have that. It says, then your docs, dogs. Is it or is it also we do it during our public presentation or great scenes that we do it there? We have to do it. I'm sorry. I said born and not. Do you do you all want us to step out now? No, we'll get to. We have to. If we go going to share the party, we'll be in the final. I just asked you guys make a decision tonight. So I can decide by tomorrow, because I can't wait till July 9. I don't want to file out lawsuit. So I'd like you guys, this is the time for you to discuss now, because legally, can't talk to the board after that. So you have another meeting before July 9th. So this is now, and because of that, don't put yourself in a position where I have to file a lawsuit just to get your guys to make a decision because there's no reason that with your counsel here, you can't make that decision. Right? So thank you. If we're coming out of a closed session, we come back into public. It notes as a term on our agenda. Yeah, I think in the public. It notes as a treatment on our agenda. I think the public says that they can we do stuff in that public section. Yes. We'll see that. I think we have a strong solution. Continue. I think we have a strong solution. I think we have a strong solution. We have a strong solution. We have a strong solution. We have a strong solution. We have a strong solution. We have a closed session of discuss that I'd be curious if there's a brief summary on how the twenth the rate hike from four cents to 25% to 450% increase was determined in the last session since you're about to discuss it tonight. I need again given what's been said I'd like to listen to you for explanations and discussion on it. So you can't explain how it was directed the worst way again. It just shows up in public meeting information. So it's already after every analysis that was divided. So that's out there. Because that may be we need to go back and look at it again. We can't tell if we're working with it. But it's already in the meeting minutes and the four packets that are posted prior sessions from whether February, March, May, March. And now we'll describe how it's determined to get to that from one rate to the next. Yes. And Vence described here and Vence described. I love the meaning of Saturday 6th, but it's Saturday 5th. No. Yeah. It was just public notice. So what people missed some important substance to present. It doesn't have to do it again. I'll call it. I'll call it. We're going to say that he's better. He's better. OK. Item 6E on the agenda is well-used statements. This is something new, and we're planning on continuing to do this, sending offer uses monthly usage reports that will show them a year-to-day of the massive plus usage. And for those who are keeping track of the water, we'll contact them as best. So that started June 11th with the first hand, from January 1st to May 31st, and our plan is to continue doing that every month. So you guys have a small problem with that. Or just needs a clarification, because, resident, I haven't gotten a statement. I don't know if I'm supposed to get one mail to me or email, but I never got one, but I saw a neighbor's. And since you started this, those were straight to the overage and the allocation. So you allegedly put your new rigs into effect as of May 1st, which is a little concerning, because we all got a notification on May 23rd. It's a little strange to get a letter and say, we've ex-close fact of your race starting May 1st, but you don't notify us until May 23rd. That's a little strange, but anyhow then I saw someone statement and it said the allocation was the amount of water to use was correct except this new rate went into place May 1st or whatever equal ninth would everything kind of us knew about it unless we were at this meeting until May 23rd, but that person statement reflected usage from January 1st through the date of that statement, which was last month, which is really not accurate. Because what if that person theoretically had blown through, that whatever it is, the new rate came into effect as of April 9th. So the allocation date should be, what is your annual, be is it going to be April 9th April 9th? Is it January 1st or 1st, but you can't go back and hit those people for those months before it? So I don't know if you guys thought that out in that statement because the statements right now are going January 1 Through the current date saying you're to date allocation You have a different rate system in place back then so you got to go from when you pass your regulation and maybe you want to do, you know, couple suggestions, maybe you want to make your, you're going to do April 9th, April 9th, and that's what it is. I mean, whenever you start it, you can't go back and use the allocation from before the rate, you know, to do rate on a place. So I wanted to tell you that there's a problem. Yeah, and I talked to John. I've had a little different situation, but I got the statement and I got my theater reader later than January 1st. So it says I started at zero instead of. So yeah, we're correct in this thing. It's a private cut. So no, there was a three or four week on from a accounting system. So correct. Correct. Download the information that has a meter to four hours, our accounting. And we just have to do that as a monthly usage report. Because it's just a bit of a... It does not show you whether it's just the usage. So water't know if it's a game, but it's just the usage. So water rights change for the people on the water system, but has anybody got a fee? I'd like to use word, fee, sorry, for the bottles. No. Oh, because it's the only option to do it today. It's an annual, but nobody knows what the annual activity is for another year. Right. You can be your wife's very correct. It's one of the year. Right. Right. Right. Like you can be your wife's an accountant. No. Did you say that? You can. Yeah. There's two types of accounting, right? There's annual. There's another excitement. It's one's generated, generating the other one is. Which could be whenever you want to be. But we can tell from your statement that you think it's generated, right? But it's not fair to make it generate. That's it. Okay. Can you tell me? The last item on the water was just an update on the non-compliant weld meters. It begins. So we have weld-matered sound every property, and we have one that we need to get upgraded that we're talking to, to someone that was at your meeting last night. It's metered, but it's actually a strong location and we need to get that correct. So everyone's here, here to see in the water and see if you're out of the beacon and so forth. So you speak for a minute, Chris, to the accuracy. I have a little bit of concern. I'm not like a consumerist or anything. I just have concerns about water. Someone who was at my home yesterday said, oh, yesterday I had 27,000 gallons on ion water. And today is a normal day. And I have times on mind, since I notified you guys, I shut up my sprinklers. So not my sprinklers, I will leave, but I'll have, I mean, the readings fine. And then three in the morning, I go 500 gallons. And then, and then nothing. And then all of a sudden, without its complete randomness, I'm like, it's like you get schizophrenia. If you run around, I'm looking at every toilet, I'm looking at every single thing in the house and it's like, this is craziness. And so I think it's also affecting the quality of life everyone here. We're looking at a stupid aisle water. It makes diagnosed as possible, which is a problem that I'm having with it. So who can get help from Chris? Without us, because I have my sprinkler guy come, I didn't even turn him on yet, but he's going to come. I'm calling other people to come out. I don't think it's, I'm concerned. So what can you tell us? So that accuracy on the serious meter is 9.9% right-code manufacture. That data being read in the beacon reads and transmits every 15 minutes. That updates throughout the day. But there'll be a final download at midnight roughly every day. Okay. And so when we're looking at semi-real time, it's truly every 15 minutes. Now your spikes and stuff like that, that's truly water going through the meter from your weld to that three or four foot away from the well where the meter is. It actually flows through there before reads and transmits at all. So when you're saying you have a spike at three o'clock in the morning, you know, there's truly some water going somewhere. And you know, some of the symbolists, as they say, had water softwares with the toilets, and some automated stuff like your irrigation stuff, because that's what people overlook a lot of things. And so, the accuracy is there, and the data, you know, 15-minute lifetime or whatever, but when someone calls here and says, hey, I got a problem, you know, we start going right down the checklist that the usual culprits and so forth. And then looking at, hey, you truly have a water suffering this program that's for a coffee morning. You know. You may or may not have a technician come out. You may never hear the water suffer. And I'm just picking on that one, because that's usually one that we see like in the winter time. Is your irrigation itself? Right now the big culprits are usually irrigation. And you have a technician come out and program your springboard timers while they're programming it to what they think they should be for your system and maybe that's not what you want to see and you see these big spikes up and down and everything like that or people look continuous leaks in usage but we can see it all did your Springer tech come out on May 20th at 3.30 in that period? Oh yeah, they did. Well that's when you leaked started. Just similar things like that. So if we can demonstrate a non-coilation between observable utilization of CS Ripper system and what we're saying in the report, how do we investigate why that's happening? Did we call you? I mean, I'm available to no one do certain things and try to help you, but I'm not going to go and try to fix your water softener and stuff like that. I really want you to get the professionals there. I hear you on that. I'm trying to get as obvious a normal relation between okay, cerebral water usage and what we're seeing over time. But, and I'll just, I kind of have to generalize a little bit, but maybe you have a storage tank within your house. Most people on wells have a pressure tank. You may have a larger one that's like 200 gallons. Well, that thing's not going to tell your weld to turn on until it hits a certain level and it fills up your tank or whatever. And that could be a three-clock in the morning. Or you know, whenever you have a pressure or the float or whatever has to keep going, it's certainly gone through that level of troubleshooting as well. And in terms of that, on a case, if each basis, like if you want to schedule the time, I'm more than happy to come and help figure some stuff out. Right. But my limits are only so far. Sure. And I just want to generalize the point, which is that the meters are incredibly helpful. I think we all agree that the island water report is helpful as well. But I think that many people are observing that the report doesn't correlate to their actual utilization. And when this is occurring with multiple residents. What is the process by which we can be into resilience so that we as responsible residents can actually use as a diagnostic tool to self-sort-own water utilization? Like it needs to inform you well enough about what's happening so that I can fix what's happening. And right now that correlation doesn't exist. It can't. It can't tell you where the water is going. No, not that's not what he's asking. No, I'm not asking. He's asking validity of the data. Is there anything that is interfering with the beacon that would be reporting around this crisis? Well, that's a good question. But I want to say that I have a year and a half experience using ion water and I find it in my case to be accurate. I see it every 10 days, I get 150 gallons at mid-night. Well, I have a water filter that flushes every 10 days. So all I'm saying is that in my experience, I'm not seeing any of these. I'm not describing fandom problems, which is what you've just given an example of, perhaps other people that are seeing things. But what I'm describing is I'm watering along and I expect to see some number of hundreds of gallons of usage during the actual time period where I'm watering that lawn. It does not show up. Yes, I'm not seeing that. Oh, there's a delay. Yes, I misunderstood. I think it goes both ways. I mean, it looks like there's some sort of batching and reporting and it's non-deterministic. I have a attempt to determine the batching cycles that you're reporting is using. And yeah, I know. Yeah, hey, Joe. Both of you are back. I'm pretty good at the day. Yeah. I'm pretty good at midnight. I'm pretty good at the day. Oh, over the course of 48 hours, I suspect it's correct. But that doesn't probably diagnose where the utilization occurrence with the project currently? I think that's a fair, valid question. Occasionally, I see weird clothes, but I think you're right over the course of time that it shows out. I think what we need to do is get a whole of badger, the manufacturer to get a better understanding, you know, why and what these anomalies are. Because you know as well as I do, we provide so much on technology that we forget technology is not going to come out of our sense of aspirate. So we will have point to go into that. And more. I think my request is for resolution that is something that you could actually do. Because I don't want you sending 3,000 hours. I'm trying to figure out how many hours it is. Right. What's the schedule? There's been a lot of requests. I know. So the meeting factor is like, we've got this program that you can plug in and diagnose. And I'm really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, Ben, Joe, I appreciate that. And you can go back to the minutes from last month. I have seen exactly. Staff, we need to get this one resolved. I'm with Joe on it. I go bashe crazy trying to figure out the analytics. And it's really, really helpful. Thank you. But just a little bit of data that's going to be relied upon for reporting for overage and things like that. What I've seen over over three days, I don't have a problem with the data. My problem is, I'm trying to figure out is it my front trees, is it my chicken coop, is it my greenhouse, is it's not showing up is it my greenhouse, is it there, and it is not showing up. And I'm running around trying to turn shit off part of my friends. You have to press a lot of that. I'm trying to understand, but I'm sort of with you guys on this. I'm very much with you guys on this one. So I wouldn't use it as a tool to help me understand. Like, when is my chicken coop actually using? If you have the merge, it actually needs this one for it. Because it's a co-gardily is like for it by running toilet. It's like, you have to say, and it's just not there, and it's just certainly the info. So again, I asked this a lot of people last month as well, but it's a hassle. How is information transmitted? It's like a satellite or like, how do we go to a bushes like this and I have my house. I mean, there's all absolutely a lot of people. Is there a process when Joe and self-uttered people, like I'm really making an effort to, I mean, I'm really having, I mean, I'm sound happy, but I am happy that you guys discovered this stuff because I was watering too long. I mean, I didn't even know I looked at it and now I know what I need and I'm going to do exactly what it is. But now I have a whole other side of my house that I haven't touched. And I'm going to turn it on. And as soon as I turn it on, we try to figure out a problem and blow through to 3000 gallons. Those could be the 3000 gallons at the end of the year that cost me $750. So like, do I call you and say, hey guys, today my person's coming. I'm gonna blow through to 3,000 gallons today, but I'm too scared to do that. So instead, I only then turn it on the water to figure out where the problem is. So, giving it down to the end of the book, I'm happy. I love it. I love it. So, but you know what I'm saying? Like we can't, and that's the issue with the diagnosis too. I, you know, again, I agree and we need to contact the manufacturer and help us understand the lower sections that have been on, because for a little bit, generally we know the accuracy because Chris will occasionally go out and read what the physical meter says versus what the beacon says. So we know the data is correct, but you're absolutely right. Sometimes what happens is the meter, the beacon's on cellular, sometimes they can't connect. And so we've actually been replacing some of the metal lids, the plastic lids, because it's trying to communicate this burning through batteries of a 10-year, it's a downwind here. So we're slowly identifying those. And again, Chris Nile will hop on the phone with Patrick and try to figure this out, Chris. It would also help if you did like maybe an online seminar on ion water, which is for example in the summer maybe I'm going to do a thousand gallons a day, so I want to set my notification. I've tried that notification setting on there and it's like, it's like a flow of, you know, if going to be getting a lot of things. I'm not going to be getting a lot of things. I'm not going to be getting a lot of things. I'm not going to be getting a lot of things. I'm not going to be getting a lot of things. I'm not going to be getting a lot of things. I'm not going to be getting a lot of things. I'm not going to be getting a lot of things. people have come in saying they're not tech savvy at all. I'll be set this up. She'll set it up. Like, you know, it took me a while to figure out, oh, I can set these notifications. So I said it at Gallantar out. It flows from more than 24 hours. So I'm going to try and catch something as soon as possible. But we won't see it for 24 hours. That's okay. I mean, get in control. Get in control for hours. It's like, I got in, almost like that automatic order. It's like a jits. And I do it all the time. I've got to love the hose up. So I got to run back. You know, but I get notified. And again, I love that you guys were bringing this up because then we know about it and then we can start acting on it. You know, so yeah, absolutely. Let me see. So if the board intensive to take any action on item 6A for the closed session, I recommend you give a motion to continue that item close to closed session. Thank you. You're here, Richard. Do I know? Nope, no. Oh, sorry. I can't. I'm sorry. Okay. Yes. I can't. Oh, sorry. Okay. I can deposit a bit of time to say that. Here. Great. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Very good. Item 7 on the agenda is the road in trails. Two items. The first item is just an update on the bitner connector. No. Oh,, this menu I have seen, they are going to end us to explaining the ground about it. So, we're done. You're just starting to see an asphalt as a second meeting to the live. So, you know, we're going to start the meeting. So, big and fruitful and scary to be long-paced. Yeah, I'm completing entire pilot training in September. We're shooting before getting the City Center, the Middle House, and rest of the parking bus stop. And everything for the kids., done prior to school starting. And I guess so that's kind of their project course in the priori. There's gonna be some minor P-Tours and over down single lanes to help speak things up in them. There's gonna be a period of time where some of the stuff about traction out of shoulder creep is going to be keen toward on with a new manual drive. And there was a long discussion that Towne had with, as you see, how can we get this project down and be with the least minimal impact on the service area. And so this was the plan that the contractors came up. So, you know, again, we're going to see a lot of the work completed here for a couple of of us. We have two different answers. So Vince, what's more work for me than to do have a section that's a lot of silver lines. Do they need to do more excavations and more contacting? On silver tree growth? Yes. So you've seen the way down to division to county standard. So actually they are the nice section of rubber. We're going to do some of what it's been. So, but the delays, I mean, because I mean, it's just going to create more dust, more noise, potential delays that they're going to get out there and they're going to do more pulverizing, more breathing. Yeah, the closures are going to be minimal and so far from what I've experienced, the meter lights actually work pretty well. Right now they're automated so it's kind of used to make either C and read it. It's working pretty well. It's very similar to the set up of 40 or in a home people. So it seems to be working. And again, we all don't want it. But it's going to be great. Yeah, I was like, well, I thought that's the same color. My app is that people be kind. Like, it sucks. And they run someone over and try to go make their real, it is overfit. And then my other comment is, while away is not so overcreet. It cannot support the same speed that's overcreet can. It can't go 8 miles an hour while away. It'll take an hour of my daughter. And I am asked if you have people that are swinging over a wild way for now. They just please slow down a bit. You leave them. It is scary to live on wildfire right now. Do we need to put in some speed calling and I have yours over there? No, I'm in the bird one. So it's making me different. Hey, no, silly. How's it going? I'm just kidding. You two say, oh, the others, right? Yeah, but I get so sick again. I actually was hit by a car on my own. Right outside of my house, by someone going extremely high at our true and high speeds. It scares the living shit out of me to have people going on a path again, right in front of my house. So please let everyone just slow down for a bit. We're almost through it. We have to get everybody to the summer. Mentor, you can contact with us. The county person is up the email because they think really good exist in their very last one didn't make any sense of it. So if you might just, which not involved in that, because of his accounting project, Chris and I have just sit in on the weekly update meetings. We need to get back to the service standpoint. We need complaints we hear, any recommendations as far as dust, heat tours, etc. So, you know, we are active. I think tomorrow, tomorrow once a few times, we'll meet with them and it will definitely bring up the fact that we're seeing increase traffic and speed on a lot of way and have them trust. In division, the barcway to wildlife, it's like looking as if on a, it just, I think the neighbor that actually went the wild away in the parkway, like there is actually tire tracks still, or just going around the motorway. It's just, it's just, it's just, a parkway, like there is actually tire tracks, which is going around the owner. It's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's, yeah. And the champions is very, sort of looking for sensitive to the service area. And he's kind of, they've so built, built jump on, showed you the contractors to, so, how they install the problem. Thank you, Rich. Thank you. Thank you. All of the most comments. Last day I found out that the roads, which is the road and trail, it didn't actually. So the Silver Creek Trail and the Westwood Trail, you can see where it went on to clean up. But that contract that will be adding more road base and so forth as they continue that portion of the trail maintenance. The road construction that we've budgeted for this year, some of the coincides with Geneva and their products that have happened a little later in the summer. We do have a road contractor for the dirt roads that is coming the first of July and a little too not that makes them repair some of the road into the second-tier roads that we'd have left. So I have a question. Yes. I'm John Biggerson, Red Road. So are you saying that the potholes that are on in our, their pay the rose, tell them that they will not be fixed until later in the summer? So the potholes is an ongoing maintenance thing, so we'll be addressing some of those as we go through before we have some of these improvement projects where we have Geneva's contractor coming in to lay down you know new asphalt we also have the county public works coming in and really some improvements and lay down asphalt in big repair sections but individual small potholes were trying to address at somewhat of a threshold just knowing that in the other few weeks will have these contractors and their blade down the new asphalt. So since we're a lot of us when you took this process and we tried to follow this or maybe you can give me a question bit, do we report like landbimes, like what would you be doing? Yes, please. Because like I, yeah, I think I'll hear the opposite. I mean, we have one on record, one'm here. Here's the office. One record. One particular. Sure. What's going on? What's winning the end? What's winning? Because you could lose the child. The men of you. It's right over. You're talking about what I believe is going on. First, do you guys have a ticket system I saw in your minutes that you have a CRM system? Can you implement a ticket system on the website where we can just put it in there and it's so easy to do. Yes. We just haven't had any time to do it. We plan on doing it at the same time right now today. You can call it and we'll create a ticket for Chris. He should get some fun to talk to you so we can make this kind of feel-good center. It'll be a lot easier for you guys and Chris in the phone class. Just go online, put a ticket, absolutely. At least you have the record. Yeah. And that's actually quite a lot of good. Yeah. I'm here to contact the office. Yeah. I'm like that from scratch with the majority. And that happens, you know, but I think from next vacation's the employee, if you let us know a lot of pop-old, it's going to be a period of time to get it done. Chris is a contractor and so when he and this guy's honorable, they will often go in, they're generally out here every day. It's just 26 miles of roads. Yes, yeah. takes some time. What's the expected to around time? Depends on the valuation of those. So I've got now Westwood red in and someone said out in that of you, I'll get out there and evaluate those. I know that there were some calls in and some tickets recently on Westwood. Most of those got filled recently, but there's also a threshold. One inch popped up and was different from whatever you're saying in the landing mind. That probably moved priority up the list compared to the little white word and stuff like that. That's just reducing the skin as most people. Well, it's working great. Yeah. It's better to speed. So, we're getting ready to do it. It's not going to be straight. Bob is holding his foot. Yeah, that's going to be good. And then I want to start offering this. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Well, I don't know. We do only come out. I don't session. I'd say motion to continue agenda item six after We come out. I'm saying to make a motion now. So we have to do it in a separate way just because it's not the same agenda that I Way. We make the motion you just Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.. I'd like to. I'd like to. I'd like to. All of the Adam six. I don't want to know what I just. Same thing. Yeah, we say. It says. It's an all in six. Oh, all six. Anything else? What about. Do we. Some of even more board interviews. So that is. You know, the answer. You know the description. I think that's a kind of those aboard for a step. I get to the answer. I'd like to move that we continue the water rates structure and fee as covered in item number six after we come out of closed session. So stand in the motion. In a second. I'll start. Scott seconded. How long, David? All right. Fine. Eyes well. Thank you very much. From these meetings. I was going to be honest for the next part. Okay. I hold it. Why did you have to say my name? You probably did not vote for the market. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. We've only done self-proclaimed. Okay. So I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Take a risk. Hi, Scott Scharn. I know. Court member, motion that we move over public meeting and move into a close session to discuss the character, professional competence, or physical and mental health of an individual, handing it over or a reasonable, intimate litigation, and or the sale or purchase of real property, pursuant to Utah Code 52-4-204 through 205. As somebody second this motion. I second that motion. I'll second it. It's not made motion. I second. It's not made motion. I seconded all the favorite. Nice. All right. I as well. Thank you very much. The time is 8.29 pm. This is so much on the surface area. You have those problems. You need to listen to this. So that's the line of things. Are you guys going to be going to continue after you're, but how long do you guys think you'll be? That's approximately how much I have to spend. Can you text one of us to let us know if I can put this session? Thank you. And just be sure to answer that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.