I'm going to call the planning and zoning meeting for Wednesday, May 14th, 2025 to order. Can we have a roll call please? Chairman Kennedy. Here. Mr. Andrew Covex. Here. Ms. Havanaer. Here. Mr. Hatcher. Here. Mr. Elmo Fattano. Here. Mr. Duane. Here. Thank you. Before we move forward, I'm going to ask that everybody please make sure that their phones are turned off or to vibrate. So, thank you. There is no minutes at this time. There's no old business at this time. The first item under new business is AR2025-10166 requests for consideration of applications to fill the vacated seat of Eric Rainbird for the planning and zoning board. Staff report, please. Thank you. City staff have received four applications to serve on the planning and zoning board. Eric Rainbird, the former planning and zoning board member, won the special election. As vacated as seat, City staff would like to remind the board that this decision is a recommendation to the council and the council has the final decision. This recommendation would go to the June 2nd, 2025. Staff is recommending the planning and zoning boards and the first and second choice recommendation to the city council and just stipulate that that second choice be considered as an alternate request for the council to consider as well. Just as you know, pardon me, as you know, the Planning and Zoning Board has a quorum of five, not four, like the other boards, so I think an alternate would be helpful just to allow some flexibility for the Planning and Zoning members, also to give other people an opportunity to serve on the board as well. So the four applicants were Gigi Bennington, Patrick Fisher, James McGinnis and Tim London. And with that, I'll let you call up the applicant. Okay, are any of the applicants here? Okay, you wanna come forward and introduce yourself. One at a time please. Name and address. Patrick Fisher, 2100 Air Park Road. Trying not to bore you with a state. I was your typical hometown kid growing up here in Edgewater during the mid-70s, long before the days of computers and cell phones. You know, we ran the streets, played the woods, swimming the shell pits, and sometimes found ourselves in a little bit of trouble. I attended Edgewater Public Elementary the first year it was open. Later I graduated from New Sumerna Beach High School. Been here all my life. I worked 40 years at Coca-Cola in Daytona Beach, drove up and down every day back and forth, married my high school sweetheart. So I worked at Coke for 40 years, holding various positions and levels within the company. 35 over 35 of those years I was in management. My career was focused on learning, leading, teaching, coaching and developing both myself and others to achieve the highest standards of professionalism. My business acumen spends customer service, sales and marketing, distribution, logistics, and finance. Over the years, I've developed skills listening to people, analyzing issues and objectives, offering practical solutions. I take pride in my ability to solve problems and make sound decisions. When necessary, I will seek out the information and strive to understand all perspectives and make a well-informed decision. The fact that I'm here today with a prepared statement even should tell you something about my character, I take this opportunity serious and I will come prepared to do the work. Why the planning and zoning board you might ask? I am retired and have both the time and a desire to serve the community in a meaningful way. I believe I can provide a layman's perspective to the board and a decision making process. Since I am neither a contractor nor a realtor, I can represent the voice of every day resident, someone who understands the community not just from a business standpoint, but as a lifelong member of it. Mr. Chairman is even extended the information on more than one occasions for citizens to step up and apply to this board. Here I am. I'm ready to bring my experience, commitment and common sense to serve the city of edgewater and the citizens and contribute to its growth and sustainability. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Sir. Yes, my name is Tim London 2632. Yes, my name is Tim London, 2632 to drive. I'm new to the area, four years residents of Edjwater, mainly from the Midwest, Northern Midwest. came to Florida, four years ago or six years ago, did a project in Palatka, fell in love with the state and basically retired to Edgewater. So, been involved with construction on my life. family over with everything that goes on was in charge of major projects for a million hundred million dollars and sometimes up to craft level over 1,000 people. So I thought I'd try to get involved with the community and see if I can pay back a little bit. Thank you. Anyone else? OK. Questions? Thomas? My contractor. So Mr. London stuck out to me pretty quickly. You know, he's a no offense, Mr. London, older older version of me. You know, I mean, he's got a lot of construction experience. He's got a lot of project management experience, especially looking at the size of these projects, the industrial stuff, commercial construction. So he's kind of already been working through the stuff that we're currently going through right now. So I think he definitely could be beneficial and then Mr. Fisher in my opinion, honestly the lifelong resident part to it got me because lifelong resident, for sure you are too. So you're also stuck out to me because of, and you've been here. You've been very involved for a year plus now. So those two were my one and two. Same to be honest. I scored Mr. London as one. Mr. Fisher's. Yeah, I went opposite on that. But I mean, I do like the, I do like the one that he's been here. And it's also not on any other boards. It hasn't been, you know, into the, you know, I don't know, the council and all that other stuff like some other, you know, applicants have and, you know, it just has that overall perspective, which I think is really needed and really important. I'm sure being here for 60 years, I mean you definitely know some people too so I mean my vote would be there number one there. But, say something. My reason for Mr. London was experience that as Chris pointed out, we are in desperate need of Hints of looking fresh blood at some of the major projects that we're gonna be facing. I think that's agreed But I mean that's if we already have that is we have five contractors There's no diversity for other things. He's not a contract. He's got an engineering degree. That's what I like. First with? Well, that's exactly how I looked at it, too. I got to agree with one and two. Very impressed with both of them as far as one locally. One as far as it should be. The only thing I'll just add is that Mr. London also had applied to the economic development board and that board has recommended him for consideration or for appointment by the council So he's going to be going for that recommendation as well But again, it's the council's decision Regardless of the board's recommendation. So correct Do we know whose pick it is or are they going to actually disperse it and talk about it and then come to the conclusion? So, specific council members appointment? I do not know which one. Okay. So, we don't know. All right. Okay, I'm just curious. What was the last time we had this situation? Yeah, what was the last time we had a four-hour? I don't think that's the never. And I've been on it for over 14 years. You must be doing something drastic. We've got four hours. I'm going to put Mr. Lennon on the spot. If you had a choice between the economic development board and the planning and zoning board, which one would you use? You got to tell them to answer that you didn't tell the economic development board. I'm when I listed both both boards I didn't think this would happen. I thought it would be one or the other. I believe I can help both locations. My experience of some of my customers lasted almost 10 years and over multiple projects. So we were up front early on and in discussion what they wanted to do with their funds and their construction. So, 50-50 to me. That was going to be my question. So project management construction world encompasses a lot of different things. So were you more on the construction side, so to speak, or more on the budgeting fiscal side of that project. I did both. Okay. For these, as we explained, my career was typically the main guy on the site. And most of our projects last the two to three years. So I dealt the most with the budget, with the customer, and I dealt the most with long budget with the customer and I dealt the most with long-range planning on the projects. Okay. Thank you. All right. I'm going to ask for a motion. We don't sit here all night. a motion to recommend to the council on AR 2025-0166. Mr. London has one and Mr. Fisher is just. I'll second. Chairman Kennedy. Yes. Mr. Duane. Yes. Mr. Alma Fattano. No. Mr. Hatcher. Yes. Ms. Heavener. Yes. Mr. Andrew Covex. Yes. Okay. Next item on the agenda is VA 2501. Request for variances to allow encroachment into a side yard setback, cool setback, a height variance and a side variance for detached garage at 1866 Banyan drive. And we have a step. Yes, thank you. The app pin is requesting for several variances. The first is from Article 5, Table V1. Slide dimensions, minimum side yard setback from 10 feet to a 5 yard setback. We're also requesting from Article 3, Section 21, 3609. We'll allow a swimming pool to be 3 feet from an accessory pool structure in Louis V. And then Article 3, Section 21, 3602, General Regulations, Exemption from Matching the facade, as a requirement when a accessory structure is over 200 square feet, and then Article 3, Section 2136-02, general regulations, Part C, allow the accessory structure to be 15 in height, which would be 3 feet higher than the primary, just 12 feet higher. City staff did send out public notice within 500 feet of the subject property shown here. And the applicant did provide the survey and with a site plan concept plan. City staff did review the application against Article 9, Section 21104D, non-administrative variance, and found that the applicant could not meet all six of the criteria as required by the Land Development Code for Staff to recommend approval. City staff will note that the applicant was able to meet number two, seeing that there's been other variances nearby granted for garages. And with that, staff will answer any questions regarding the staff report. Okay. I'll look in the public hearing. Is the applicant in the audience? No. Okay. That makes it. That makes it. Anybody else have any questions or comments from the audience? Four comments from questions. One of the things that I see is the lack of information on the structure that we usually get. And, in all honesty, I mean, I really don't know what this is going to look like. I don't know. It's too many unknowns. We need to make a decision on this. There is a comment in there about metal sighting. Yeah. You know, which I don't know what that means. Is it one of this pre-pap, like things? Yeah. Yeah, we've been through this before, which with garages. And we've been burnt. And I have to say that based on this information, it doesn't meet our level of requirements. And for me, you're talking about a 15 foot height building 5 feet off the property line. And things can be sitting 7 feet above the fence. Right. Historically, you guys all know, for like I don't want to I don't want to be a guy I don't want to be a guy at 1862 waking up in the morning looking out of a warehouse We we've been I still say that that thing on on all mission bigger than what we read on No, it's the right size. It was just big. I mean We cut it down. It's like what? Yeah, but so does anyone else share this? I agree. Yeah, yeah. I mean, applicants not here. Exactly. What does that tell you? Well, on the other part, the kind of got me too. So we've got a pool screen enclosure. There's three feet between it. So that's just going to become this dirt walk away with a bunch of stuff piled in it. Five foot between offense and the building, same thing. It's going to be dirt, a bunch of stuff piled in it. It's in just for a bunch of cars. And while I appreciate it so that they can save money on their rent, maybe not by a bunch of cars that you can't put somewhere on your property. Just a thought. OK. After saying After saying other comments, I'll close the public hearing and ask for a motion. I make a motion to our 9 V8 25 0 1 request for the barrienses. I've stated second. Who is the second? Thank you. Mr. Wilford, you're going to do your normal explanation that a yes vote is... Thank you. Right. It's a motion to deny if you say yes, then you want to deny the various. Yes. Thank you. It's confusing. Our faith. Thanks for that clear petition. That's why we have to use this. Mr. Joanne. Yes. Mr. Alma Fattano. Yes, Mr. Hatcher. Yes. Mr. Amal Fattano. Yes. Mr. Hatcher. Yes. Ms. Heavener. Yes. Mr. Andrew Covex. Yes. Chairman Kennedy. Yes. Well, he didn't speak up. Normally, he jumps down pretty quickly. So I was like, wait a minute. Mr. Fattano. Yes. Mring this time. That was true. Next item on the agenda is VA2502. Request for variances from Article 5, Table 5-1 for a side yard setback reduction and a rear yard setback reduction for the property located at 200312. Staff report, please. Thank you, Chair. And the request before you is from Article 5, Table V1, which is site dimensions. And the applicant is requesting a minimum side yard setback in lieu of 10 feet of 8.7 feet. And the applicant is also requesting, oh, I apologize, 8.7 feet instead of 10 feet. And the applicant is requesting a rear yard setback of 12 feet from 30 feet with the hanger door as being proposed. So the applicant is proposing to build an addition on the hanger to facilitate this hanger home for the special plane that the gentleman owns. Yapkin did receive H.O.A approval from the H.O.A. City staff did review the variance requests against Article 9, Section 21100.040 and found that Yapkin could not meet all six of the criteria as required for staff to recommend approval. City staff will note that existing variances have been granted for the hangar homes in this area. Okay. I will open the public hearing. Did you want to say anything Mr. Pals? I mean, you don't have to. Is this thing coming out? It needs to be left there. It does? Yes sir. I mean, you don't have to. Does this thing come out? It needs to be left there. Yes, sir. Oh, okay. Sorry. Apologies. I thought he was going to talk to you. Yeah. So just the structures already built where the first thing I think we said was 8.7 feet That's already there. So we're just expanding toward the taxiway and That's the ask So yeah, that's just sort of it. We need to I live in the door in the house next door About this home for my mother-in-law. She lives there and I want to put my plane in the hanger. Oh, you don't put a mother-in-law in the hanger? Yeah. I have five sons. I might move to the hanger. So this is going to be, this is going to allow me to put the airplane in the hanger. The airplane has a lot of up high stuff to do. And right now, my wife does that for me, like checking oil and stuff like that. And it's a lot easier if we could just walk next door and do it versus going down to the commercial hanger where it currently is. So I live next door and you guys were kind enough to give me a variance, to get even closer to the taxiway on my house probably five years ago now. Yep. Thank you. Any other comments or questions from the audience? Board comments or questions? I only said one, not a pilot, stated a holiday and last night. There's not a lot of space between what appears, I'm gauging it off of your survey. So I mean, 12 feet, not a lot of space between the building and what I'm gonna assume is the edge of the taxiway. It's not the edge of the taxiway. Okay, that was the, okay, because I was just afraid that if you were parked on the ramp Are you impeding another aircraft coming behind you? Okay, yeah, because that was that letter that they gave permission Well, I know I just it doesn't give us any reference to right his property line to the actual taxiway So was the taxiway next to his property line where it's tails hanging out the middle of the taxiway Okay, okay Can you come up to the podium please Please. Thank you. These are all airport people here. We've come here to support Clayton and what he wants to do. We think it'll enhance the airport. And he's got approval from the masses to do that. And their concern was the Hanger door, exactly what you said, sir, with the tails of the other airplanes. And they made him, you move it back, right? Where it wouldn't impede on them. We're all here to support him and we think it'll be enhanced the airport the community and everything it's because it's a lot of money and now that's all paved there by the way so it's really turned out nice I mean the airport really coming up nice and it'll will enhance it again we're all we're all here to support it as well. 18. Thanks, sir. Please state your name and address for the record. I'm John Craig, C-R-A-I-G-M, and neighbor to him. 1903, 12th Street. I'm a neighbor to Clayton. Thank you. I'm for comments or questions. Well, all I can say is that Mr. Massey signed so upon this. It's pretty strong. Right. Right, I know it. No, I'm well. Okay, I'll close the public hearing and ask for a motion. I'll make a two approved VA-2502. Second. Sorry, Albert. You're quick, man. Is that holiday ends day? It was. Express. Mr. Duane. Yes. Mr. Amal Fattano. Yes, Mr. Hatcher. Yes, Miss Hevener. Yes, Mr. Andrew Kovix. Yes, Mr. Chairman Kennedy. Yes Okay, VA 25 VA 2503 is the next item on the agenda requests for several variances from Article Table 5-1 to construct a new single family home on the property located at 216 North River Side Drive. Staff report, please. Thank you, Chair. Request before you is from Article 5. Table V-1 again, site dimension, city staff, did send out public notice within 500 feet of the subject properties. The applicant is requesting a variance from footnote 5 of table V1 within Article 5 to reduce the minimum two-story side yard setback from 15 feet to 10 feet. They're also requesting to reduce the minimum lot size area from 12,000 square feet to 10,000 square feet. There are also requesting from Table V1 site dimensions. And within that section, Article 21-41-04, and lieu of a 50 foot mean high water line setback, they'd like to request a 26 foot mean high water line setback. And then lastly, Table V1 site dimensions to allow the wetlands to be immediately adjacent and lieu of the required 25 feet. City staff did review the application against Article 9 section 21104D and did determine that the applicant could not meet all six of the criteria. City staff will note that there are certain policies within the comprehensive plan, such as up and buffer requirements within our conservation element, conservation policy 1.6.2, that we will maintain a 25 foot up and buffer. This was granted a variance in the past, which is set to expire. City staff will note that a jason properties have been given these variances, most recently at 217 North Riverside Drive, 417, 423, and with that city staff will be happy to answer any questions or concerns. Thank you. I'll open the public hearing gets applicant the audience. You want to come forward and give us your name and address please. Brian Lee 210 North Riverside. Okay. Cross the street. Okay. mr. Lee I believe that this this property had a variance approved on it in the past as that Yes, sir. Okay twice and twice twice. Okay, and and what what year was the last one granted? 22 I believe it was Right in the middle of COVID and what and what happened What happened from that time period to now what like what caused the delay to get you to this spot Mostly while there's health and finance mostly, okay, but it was um and then the COVID course through a wrench and everything too Okay, I think it was 21 actually. I think it was 21 actually. So in 22, March 9th of 2022, the Planning and Zoning Board approved all of the requested variants. The requests tonight are the same that were approved on March 9th of 2022. Any of anybody else have any questions? I just have a question because I walk the property and I ride down there every day. My question was the cocaine or rock retainer wall. To the east of that is all, it looks like marsh. It's wet. It's wet. So, so that doesn't come into play with the variance going, you know, he says, from the mean high water level, that mangrove stuff has- That, so he's also requesting, so typically it's the St. John's requirement, the city's codified it, most cities have it. It's typically, as there's a 25 foot upland buffer from wetlands. On this site that would push the property further towards Riverside. Right. Right. I'm just, I guess I'm thinking hindsight. Is that something that we need to look at? You know, in current. Well, so the, yeah, I would say yes because we keep approving variances for this. I think typically so in the comp plan right now in the land development code, it kind of talks about shoreline protection. Right. That's why we have the 50 foot. We have the 25 foot upland buffer. And that's also to preserve some of the opens based on the river. We also have a policy of not hardening the shoreline. Now, he's not doing that on this one with his sea wall, but actually in order to use a sea wall at the city, an engineer has to prepare a report for the city demonstrating that any other kind of technique for bank stabilization won't have a positive outcome and so that the only solution left is to harden. And so that would need to be re-looked at as far as the policy if we want to encroach in this area. So right now he's wanting to encroach the 25 foot upland by how much, how far away can all, literally wetlands can be right up against the corner of the house. Yeah, so the property actually has, there's a right after the Bokina rock retainer wall, there's, looks like there may be a conservation. He's been based on the survey in that area. And it's also flood zone AE, so it's in the 100 year flood zone there. And right now he's noting from the main high water line, he has a setback of 32.38, but it doesn't indicate the setback from the Cokino Rockwell. I'm just sharing the back of the line. Sorry Ryan. So maybe let me put the survey up and then well and then it looked so the Kokina walls actually already there. Correct. Okay. That was done during the first or the second variance. Gotcha. Yeah. Does it tell us that Bob's picture showed me that the wall was already there. I mean the only other question I had was, are we going to end up saying the same thing I said with the whole stem wall thing not too long ago? Are we inadvertently setting ourselves up for another variance request? Because like the way his site plan is right now you have nowhere for a swimming pool. So 20 years fast forward, 10 years fast forward, you know what we want to put in a swimming pool there's only one place for us to do it and it's right in the middle of that conservationism. It's actually going to be incorporated into the structure. In the OK. All right. That was the question. I have a local builder already talking with him about how it's going to be done. He's done it at his house. OK. The pool is going to be incorporated into the structure. Into that 41 by 71 footprint there. OK. And just so you know, during that 100 year, the first 100 year storm that we had, the water never crested the top of that pad that you saw there. Just like the neighboring property to the north that never went in as garage. They're sitting at the same level. And if it didn't happen then, in plus we're gonna go up with this down wall. It's just gonna say, do you have to our finished floor be eight and a half feet. And that's it in that five. Five point one or something like that. Okay. Another three feet higher for the for the finished floor. Any other questions? How are you going to stop your runoff on your 10 foot setbacks now that you just said you're going up 8.5 feet. Just the house, not the lane. Yeah, all the adjacent property. So the south of us, he's got... Oh, he's way up there. Yeah, he's way up there. So... They're going to have to do a stem wall here just because the property is so much smaller. Because they're in the special flood hazard. Competating storages required. So cup for cup, so when you get on these river lots, yeah, you're gonna start noticing people are gonna be digging out front yards on the riverside. Yeah, they're gonna bring in fill. I already have a couple spots already on the south and the north end out by the sidewalk that was part of the plan plan even deeper if I have to It's deeper. I already have a water retention Designed already in place Any other questions. Thank you. That's it. Yep any other comments My name is Joe Grobowski, 217 North Riverside. So I am the house to the north of Mr. Lee. And my biggest concern is there's just too many unknowns about the water issue between the two houses. My garage is right now the level of his hat. And if you approve a 10 foot setback, when he builds his house is not going to be enough area for to absorb the water. And the runoff from his house is going to come straight towards my garage door. We already get water in there when there's light rain. And that's our entrance into the house. So when you come off my driveway into the garage and you come out the door of the garage, you're at the level of his pad right now. And I have 15 feet set back. If he gets 10 feet, then I don't think there's enough room. There's just too many unknowns about how the water's going to run. All the other variances he's looking for, I'm okay with. It's just the 10 foot between the two houses. It doesn't even fit in with the neighborhood. You're talking Riverside Drive, and you're gonna have two houses, 25 feet apart. In this particular area. I know there's other areas where they are that close, but in this particular area, right up the street from where we're standing today, there's no houses out of that close to each other. I have a picture. Am I able to share that? So the first one is a bad picture. So that's the at right now. So that's the pad. And when I'm trying to explain is just past the jet ski is where my door is to my garage. And that is the same level or even lower than the pad today. So what I don't understand is, you know, is how the stem wall is going to be built. How much dirt is going to be added and how much slope there's going to be to push more water towards that garage door. If you can go to the next picture. I don't think there will be any. The stem wall is going to go up and there's going to be dirt inside the stem wall, but I don't think he's going to be ablebrain the grade around the house up at all. That's what my concern is. But what I'm looking at is this retaining wall that separates the two of you. Is that coming up at all? Is the retaining wall going to come up at all? Is you're just going to stay that high? That's my wall. I don't plan on. Well, no, no, no, well, so where I was going, so you're not the intent isn't to add any dirt to the current. Right. So that kind of so between your retaining wall and his swell, that's probably going to curb any water from leaving his property. Can we go to the next one? There's a couple more pictures. The building department is. Yeah, they've water gets through to you on the property. So there's the concern is that water right there being pushed. If there's any more dirt added where that white stake is, that white stake is 10 feet. That's what was approved before. And that's before all the concerns and edge water with the water. You know, the issues with water everywhere and edge water, New Samaritan beach are now- Now for your public comment? True. So is that it my time's up? Yes sir. Oh sorry. Next. I'm Richard Harbin. I actually own the other side of Mr. Lee's Law to an I North River side. I'm the one nice and high with retainables alongside of it there. As far as, you know, I mean, obviously Mariah has been working on this for a couple of years, but I didn't even realize, first off, I wasn't notified that there was any variances requested. I wasn't notified about any of this meeting. So that's a little concerning. I didn't, when was this lot subdivided back off to 16 north Riverside. Can anyone answer that for me? It was attached to you to 16 a couple of years ago so they could bypass the permitting to be able to build a dock with no house on the property. So last I knew that lot was still attached. So is it still attached or is it has been it's subdivided back off? No, I believe it's still. OK, well I had no idea. It's still showing 216 on the role. So it should be 211. It is one property right now. The intent of the variances is to decide. Well, I think it should be subdivided before we're given variances. I mean, it can't be subdivided because it would be creating a non-conforming law. Hence the reason to create, to give these variances to create a law that is essentially non-conforming to allow for. Okay, well, again, it's non-conforming, but his law is 104 feet wide, mine's 100 feet wide. I was more than able to fall within the 15 foot setbacks on both sides. So, you know, I'm not feeling a whole lot of that, but I am a little concerned, you know, we put retaining walls up. You and I have spoken, you know, me and planning and some water guys have all talked. And I was required to keep all the water on my property. His coquina wall, if you're allowing that house to be built right against the coquina, all the rain off the bag of the house is going into in Lagoon. And I had to do, run circles and loops with being a storm water to keep mine on there. And I have retaining walls around it that got a inch way to stop the water all the way around the property. I mean granted right now on the side of Mr. Lee we were originally talking about bringing the lots up together that change so I will have to still do a retaining wall on my north side but it is a little concerning and I don't feel that I think there's plenty of room and a 15 foot set back on a hundred foot wide lot To build a two-story house without having to encroach on Mr. Grubowski's lot or towards mine You know I agree with you know with mr. Grubowski as far as you know, why are we cramming this house in here? We're going to stories I mean my house is 4,000 square feet and I'm well within I mean the house is 60 feet white you know I don't think you need a whole lot more to do that but yeah and as I said I didn't know about the subdividing and all that because I mean it's been a convenience thing for them to you time. I'm not sure if he's going to we've been told he was going to build three different times, start to build, not build, reattach, do a little more, put a new for sales sign out, whatever. But I just I think yeah, I should shoot down at least a side set, Bucks. Thank you. Thank you. Any else? Four comments or questions? Just a comment in In front of this gentleman had just, just spoke, sidewalk gets flooded all the time there. On the side, in front of his house. And I, because we ride down there and we had a detour around it. So there's standing water that's an issue at present there. And the runoff is a concern. I think we need to really look at that. If, as the gentleman pointed out, went back to the original 15 yard setback, which I think we've adjusted on other structures. I think that would be more amicable in a sense. 15 feet. 15 feet. What did I say? 15 yards? No, 15 feet. I'm sorry. 15 feet. No, 15 feet. I'm sorry. 15 feet. You said a first down. I mean just just to prevent we can prevent an issue that would make a difference. I'm not sure you I'm not an engineer. He has a good point about it being just ran off right into yeah that's what I was gonna ask mr. Lee what is there any reason why you couldn't bring the house forward 40 foot setback is the reason for that why no you're asking for four different changes here so I mean well if you want to do that that's fine I'd like to get it off the cocaine wall anyway, just so you know, there's going to be another four foot big cocaine sitting across the top of that. So there's going to be an area that's going to keep the runoff back out of the lagoon, as he said. In other words, over the top of the existing there. And we went to a lot of trouble to keep it more natural and keep all of vegetation. We didn't fill ours full of 200 loads of sand and stuff. So we deliberately did that. And we wanted to keep it more natural. And if you do a single story, I thought a single story, you can do 10 foot setbacks. Is that correct? It's always 15. Set's not back to setbacks. And so on single story on the river, yeah. 10 foot. It's jumped to 15 when you go to a store. Two story. So if we do a single story at 10 foot or two story at 10 foot, is there other than the height being an issue like you were talking about being close to a fence or whatnot. We have no intentions of fences. But it seems to me that if the city has already told me that what to do for retention front back sides everything and I've dug out like I said down in the front and I'm willing to work with both of those guys if they want to go up on the seat on his wall on the north side and on his retention down on the north side. I mean the north side of his property the south side of mine down by the side walk we can come up with a plan there you know join it up and retain all his water and my water down there. Just a thought. Proof-London's. Oh, I know. I actually twice. I know. I know. Actually twice. I know. I'm sorry. I've got a lot of floating. Floating. Floating. Again, I like. That's not really. Within the last two years, basically, George, other issues have come to surface along Riverside with water. Let's say water in the city of Edgwater. And I know it's been done past, but we've had things looked at. I was, this is, I've been, I was on a board when this happened. I would be curious if I voted yes, the last time. But I had questions right away about because of the closeness to the vegetation and the back on the east side by the volcano wall and side yard. So can we move the you further? Can we come to the westward? We just changed that. If you change the front set. Instead of it being a 40 make it a 35 in the front. That gives him 10 foot off the back. And then that actually will still have 10 foot on the southward side. We can reduce the size of the footprint too. I mean, we don't have to. That's just the way the original one was. was or we wanted to reinstate what was done before. So we have wiggle room. Yeah. That was going to be one of my questions so you don't have an actual home. We had we had plans designed engineer and everything for the like when he was talking about when I was talking about building and a lot of stuff happened but the reason we attached it also was to get around the building of the dock, but also my father-in-law, who has to weigh, we have to sell his property. So that's part of the reason that we're selling. I mean, splitting it off, we don't want our lot to go with it. We're planning on just enjoying it with a dock on it, with this house, and not going into the building. It's a lot of money to build a house. And so that's been so the reality. So the reality is he's going to have to have his plans restamped anyway. His plans are going to be 18. We can read this. We actually go. No, I know. That's why I was letting them know. Some of the board might not know that after a few years, it's not things restant to the new code. So, so how do we address, if what we would discussing now, well, Mary said he was willing to lessen the footprint. So, so how do we change what if we say, let's hold the 15 on the sides and then lessen the front set back to 35, that allows him to keep the house because we need to turn off the block that would put us in. I probably will be pretty unnoticed. I was actually talking about the front to back not decide to side. I know but I'm just trying to see if we can compromise all the way around here. So right now split the difference. Based on the survey, it looks like the gentleman on a one story product to get it 72. On a two story product, the team dropped it back down to about a 62. Which has nothing to do with the water that just has to do with the house And then subsequently it'd be about 40 people So I think that's a part of the Is that it's Be kind of like your traditional range of softhouses. Yeah. We have a fraction of the water on it. Which is pretty much what the north and the south houses are going to be. They're just on the other way. So, there's four requested actions. Can we do down each one and how are they going to change? Are they going to stay the same? What's the first one? The first one. Set back to 15 to 10. I personally like the 15 only because it's going to start to look like it's up to this. So. So let's encircle that. Okay. So that 15, it's going to stay at 15. Well, I just, no, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, we're discussing it, Chris. And we need, we need conversations like this. Okay, the next one. Has that changed at all the size? I mean, reducing the minimum lot size, I mean, I don't necessarily, I don't call about that too much. Okay. You know, you guys got a property and if we can figure out a way to build this house on that piece of property. I agree. You know. Okay, now the next one. I'm going to go back to the next one. 50-foot-required stepbacks. Okay, 26-foot-required stepbacks. 26-foot-required stepbacks. I'm going to be done this time and time again. I mean, Carl's cove, I know it's a bunch of profits. But it's in distant one when we're talking about changing. Well, yeah, I mean this one is something that we would need to look at. If we're moving the house forward on the lot, it's going to be 10 or 20 further feet away from me. Right, exactly. Yeah, so that's what I was going to say is that to me number three, I mean we've done it in the past. There's no reason why we don't do it again and we're talking about potentially changing it anyway. So now we're down. You think of five foot difference on the sides is gonna make it go from subdivision look in your words to no subdivision look. Personally, yeah, because across the street for my house is a subdivision that has five foot setbacks and it looks like the two, looks like you're washing dishes again. Those are zero lot lines. lines but they're not actually zero there are five feet off the sides like a class yeah that's not what's your question yeah to me I think and especially when you start looking at it from a two-story perspective where you got two towering tall houses actually tower well the the one to the south is set back farther so it's not actually actually side by side. It's an advantage. And then his, he's talking about his garage. He's got, I think, a three or four foot stem wall going into his house, so it's his garage he's referring to. Yeah. Potentially, but we can cure all that with... Right. Now I can remember one of those. If it hasn't happened now, it doesn't make a difference. It never crested the top of that. I have pictures of mine. I didn't bring them but during the storm, we live across the street. So I was out there during the storm at the peak and it never went over the top of that. Never went over his wall either. So number four, the reality is the Cocina Walls already sitting there now. So number four is already there anyway. It's been there for some time. So I wouldn't worry about that either. But do we need to add a fifth? How about splitting the difference on the 15 feet? That way I don't have to crunch my house into a 50 foot spot instead of a. What is the south side set back at that short corner? I don't have a reading glasses on me. Somebody blow up the survey. Where are we talking about? The south, what would be the southeast corner? That's the narrowest part of that lot line that's ten point that is the narrows point that's the ten but okay well it's it's an irregular shape so the ten it's ten foot off of Joe's house his wall thank you that's what I wanted to see he's got a big old guy I know a guy He's, I want to get this. He's got a big old guy. I know a guy. He's a heck of a freak. I'm going to make fun of me if those pictures make fun of myself every day, Charlie. There you go. It wasn't served to the property to the south. How far is your north side setback? So you're 15. So what if we compromise here and say, and the real reason I'm saying it this way is because that's South line is the odd shape, right? That's the trying so to speak. So the front corner of the house is 15, back corner is going to be 10. I think it's also important to note that by granting this variance, you are granting the right to split the property and then to subsequently allow for them to build another house on this new lot. The variance in and of itself, which doesn't sound like the board has a problem, but I just want the board to be aware of the bigger picture here, which is quite through this variance request. We are facilitating development on the river through the construction of a single family home. That right is quite a powerful right in and of itself, and it has a lot of benefits to that right. so the request for additional variances I think the fortune look at it was confirming considering already giving the right to you've now created a riverfront block that is now then the soda So I just want to keep that out especially keep you in mind with some of the complain policies that are I think the bigger thing is at some point we have to, I shouldn't say pushback, that's not the right word to use, but it's going to be more consistently enforcing the land development code. So, and I get what Ryan's saying, because I mean the reality is right now this isn't a buildable line. Right? Yeah. Right now it's just real estate. Third. So, you know, like I said, I mean for me, I like the side setback. My compromise was gonna be to hold the 15 feet on the north side setback. My compromise is there's going to be the hold, the 15 feet on the north side setback, only because he's got this weird line on the south side, and it's 15 feet at the front. So my compromise was going to be letting have his 10 foot on the south hold the 15 on the north, and I still would like to be letting have his 10 foot on the south, hold the 15 on the north, and I still kind of would like if the house come forward west by feet to get it off the cocaine block. Any come up to the podium, Bryce? Yeah, it will. It'll make that 10 be, that 10 be like 12, and then the front corner's gonna be like 50 or 17. 17 whole matter. So like 15 or 17. So I personally think that's a good happy medium. I mean I know it's probably not what you were hoping but you know it. I was just hoping to get it reinstated but if that's makes you happy that's fine with me. Five feet's not gonna kill me. Now you said something about the Cochina Rock so you're gonna bring bring more coquina rock up. Just a big big big one four four ones. Oh gotcha okay. Right on top of all that. Creating more of retention from from the dry side which by the way there's hardly ever water in there anyway. Right. So I mean how's everyone feel about that does that sound We It's not supposed to be So we try holding the 15 on the North. We're bringing the house. Oh, we bring in the house. Five feet. Five feet. I think so. I mean, so now we're adding a variance. So we're taking away number one. Right. And then we're adding. Allowing of 35 front setback in Louis. 45 foot setback. 40? 40. Right. So. Sorry, Bonnie. 40. Okay. We're creating a new one. three. So it's going to do is we're going to say we're holding. We're going to allow. I don't try to get it my head so that this motion is like six minutes long. Yeah. Yeah. Please be clear. Do it 47 times. So all right. Let's do this. I'll make a motion to approve VA 2503 with the following conditions to allow a south side setback of 10 feet to add a variance for a 35 foot front setbackback in lieu of a 40-foot front setback and the remaining items 2, 3, and 4 as written. Second. Second. I'll second. Mr. Duane. I agree with that. Mr. Duane? Yes. Mr. Allen. I agree with that. Mr. Duane. Yes. Mr. Allen. Yes, Mr. DeWane. Mr. DeWane. Yes. Mr. Almanfattano. I'm going to say no. Mr. Hatcher. Yes. Is hevener. Yes. Mr. Angelo. Yes. Chairman Kennedy. Yes. Okay. The next item on the agenda is the development services director's report. Thank you. So we have a number of projects going through the process here at the moment. We are working on the comprehensive plan update. We plan to have a rough draft by the end of this month out to the public for the goals, policies, and objectives. We are still waiting staff is waiting on Senate Bill 180 on the CFEKET sign. Senate Bill 180 gets signed. We will have to put a pause on the comp plan and any end development code update and we will be repealing the more dorks. What is this vote expected? We're waiting on the governor to sign a number of bills. He has a number that are outstanding but they've all been passed by the House and Senate and Florida. So some of the ones that were tracking are that one Senate but 180, which would not allow comp plan or land development code updates that are more restrictive. We would not be allowed to do more Toriums. Plats are becoming administrative if that log gets signed. So preliminary and finalats would be an administrative process and longer would need to go to council Under law We also try to get rid of P and Z as well and I know that's something else. No they were trying to get rid of CR raised They've kind of backed off on that one Increasing the time on planning review so they beat on the building department enough. Now they're coming for the planning department. So they're tightening up the timelines for planning department on building permits now. So it's just an evolution. So last year the building department had 10 days to get out single-family home permits. Well, that's currently the law. And so, you know, we're meeting that, but, you know, with just these time constraints are just gonna require more staff. That's the bottom line is to get this stuff out. And of course, you know, the caveat is they like to make you reimburse the permit fees if you don't meet the timeline. So, something to just keep an eye out. Well, they're also slashing the funding. Yeah. Has that planner started? Pardon? As a new senior plan to do. Yes, she has. Yeah. And she's getting her feet wet, getting exposed to all the projects at the city. New Sumerna Beach, past During Park Innovation Center. So if you haven't looked at the Farptin Local Plan, take a look at it because the Farptin Local Plan basically outlined everything that is occurring now 30 years ago. So if you want to kind of see the roadmap for what is about the transpire, it was put in the county's comp plan about 30 years ago. So that's 23,000 units outside of I-95. You are should array for sitting down. So and I anticipate that the planning and zoning I'll be bringing to the planning and zoning board the first sets of flats probably in June July for Deering Park. Okay. And that's all I have. Any to thank you very much. We've sent it bill two weeks.