Okay, good afternoon. We're going to call to order the April 24, 2025 Committee of the Whole. Could we do a roll call, please? Handle it. Here. Big Sanders. Here. Drisco. Here. Givens. Floyd. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. we've got an agenda in front of us. I'll entertain a motion for approval. Moved approval. All in favor. Aye. Any opposed? We've got minutes from February 27th, 2025 and March 13th, 2025. I'll entertain a motion for approval. All in favor. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Okay before we jump into the first item just some housekeeping really quick council members. I'd love your feedback Do you want to ask questions after each section of the CIP or do you want to wait until the end of the presentation? I'd love for your feedback I think it let staff get out of here as we go so section by section is everybody okay Yeah, we usually pause by fun. Yeah, that's what I meant. I'm sorry All right. I apologize. Thank you. Okay. All right. That's what we'll do. We'll ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... section is everybody okay? Yeah, we usually pause by fun, which is even better. Yeah, that's what I meant. I'm sorry. I apologize. Thank you. Okay. All right. That's what we'll do. We'll turn it over to Liz McCoskey Budget Director and Stacy McKee Budget Manager for our presentation. All right. Good afternoon chair and members of City Council. Today we'll review the preliminary FY 26 CIP budget for the City of St. Petersburg. And first of all, I'd like to thank our colleagues within the different city departments who have participated and contributed to the development of the preliminary budget. The budget development process is a team effort and on behalf of the budget department, I would like to say thank you to all of them. I'd also like to thank and introduce the members of the city's budget team. We'll be presenting alongside me today. We have with us our budget manager, Stacey McKee, and we have our budget analyst, land Stanford, Jim Chisholm, Caitlin Berger, and Patricia Pena. So we have circulated an agenda and subject to your approval where proposed to start with a quick summary of the CIP budget process and overall CIP plan. And then review each of the 21 individual CIP funds in the order that they appear in the workbook and as we complete each fund we'll stop for any questions. This presentation is based upon information contained in the workbook, pictures, tables, and charts are included to help illustrate the CIP plan. So this slide shows the city's vision and the mayor's principles for accountable and responsible government and our pillars for progress. As previous years, this year's budget process is centered on ensuring our resources are deployed within our five pillars for principle progress. These pillars reflect what we do for the community and are guided by the six principles for accountable and responsible government and these principles guide how we govern. Each capital project request included the relevant principles and pillars for that project and they're listed in the project description for each project in the workbook. This year's budget also includes a focus on resilience and while this has been a city priority for many years, the events during the last few years storm seasons have shown this need to remain a top priority for the city. On the screen, we have a definition of resilience by the State's Division of Emergency Management, and it shows that in the state of Florida, resilience is generally defined as the ability of communities, infrastructure, ecosystems, and individuals to adapt to and recover from adverse conditions such as hurricanes, flooding, sea level rise, and other climate-related impacts. This definition aligns with Florida's and the city's focus on minimizing vulnerabilities, promoting sustainable growth, and growing our communities back stronger after every event. Resilience in Florida and in the city of St. Pete can be looking for key aspects. We have environmental resilience, which includes adapting to changes in our climate conditions, including sea level rise and coastal erosion, also protecting our natural ecosystems that act as natural buffers against storms. We have infrastructure resilience, which includes designing, buildings, roads, and utilities to withstand extreme weather events, and retrofitting existing infrastructure to reduce risks. We also have economic resilience, which ensures communities can recover quickly from disasters and also diversifying our local economies to reduce vulnerabilities to climate related disruptions. And finally, we have community resilience, which includes promoting education, awareness and preparedness, and strengthening our social networks and resources to support recovery efforts. This budget is a planning tool and as part of this year's budget process, we'd like to focus on planning throughout the city. So the city's CIP program is a five year plan that gets updated annually as part of the city's budget process. The first year of the CIP is appropriated by city council as that year's capital projects budget and the remaining four years of the five year plan are looking to the future at the city's CIP program. The projects included in the out years may change as the plan is updated each year based on new information received and as priorities and the needs of the city change. So starting off in January, we hold a kickoff meeting with the departments to start the formal CIP budget process. And at this meeting, the budget department provides information, direction, training and important budget dates to the different departments. We then have our City Council's Priorities Committee of the Whole, which is also in January and is a place where City Council members share their priorities with the public and City Administration. We next have our departmental reviews, and during this review departments internally complete needs analysis for their various programs, divisions, and projects. And it includes a review of projects that are currently funded and projects that are in the five-year plan. Modifications may arise based on updated information coming from that analysis. Next, the CIP departments meet with engineering and capital staff to discuss the status of projects and find out whether a project may need to be advanced based on the needs analysis or if they're delays that require the project to be pushed out. Then submissions of the prioritized projects to the budget department. Once the department has prioritized projects and incorporated any feedback from the engineering department, their official request is sent to the budget department as their department's CIP budget submission. Then budget will review these department submissions and have line item review meetings with each department, where we review and discuss the prioritized projects. During the line-in reviewreview process, administration and budget and management department further prioritizes these projects in an effort to make sure we balance each year, each fund and each year of the five-year plan. And after the line-in-review process is completed, a CIP committee, the whole, is held with City Council to review the FY26 preliminary CIP budget. Other important dates in the budget process include in late June, but no later than July 1st, we will receive the certified values from the Property Appraisers Office. Then on our before July 15th, the mayor will submit his budget, his balanced budget recommendations to City Council. At the July 17th City Council meeting, we will ask City Council to set a tentative military and the dates of the two public hearings. And we also have an additional committee of the whole schedule for July 31st. The first public budget hearing is then scheduled for September 11th. Followed by the second public hearing on September 25th. At this meeting, City Council will adopt the FY26 budget. Wish we'll run from October 1, 2025 to September 30, 2026. So there are a number of projects planned in the FY26 preliminary CIP budget that addresses City Council priorities. Some examples include affordable workforce housing. included 1.124 million in the housing capital improvement fund to continue the programs funded in the affordable workforce housing project and to repay any draws made under the credit facility. This is an increase of 100,000 over last year. There's also a total of 6 million in penny for panelists funding budgeted or assigned for affordable housing land acquisition in the five year plan. We also have 22.6 million in Svar projects included in the FY 26 preliminary budget for both storm water and water resources. We have an assignment of funds in the amount of 4.14 million over the five year plan for public safety training facilities. For the street and road improvement project, we increased by a million in FY26, 500,000 in FY28, and a million increase in FY29 through 30 in the rest of the five year plan. The complete streets project was increased by 250,000 a year in FY 26 through 30 compared to last year's five year plan and the sidewalk expansion project was increased by 650,000 in each of the five years of the plan. We also added 800,000 a year for in the five year plan for the bicycle pedestrian facilities project and we also fully funded the FY26 request for municipal office building improvements. There's some additional city council priorities that we plan on taking to city council during the year so they won't show in the FY26 preliminary budget. It could be towards the summer or end of FY25 maybe early FY26 but it includes the remaining funding for both fires station two and the Williams Park Banshell projects. So you should see that during the year instead of being in the 26 budget. On page one of the workbook, there's a summary table of the five year CIP plan. The FY26 CIP plan totals 248.272 million in projects. The water resources C CIP fund, is the largest fund in the CIP plan making up just over 50% of the plan or 126.12 million in projects. The stormwater drainage capital projects fund is the next largest fund making up 21% of the plan or about 52.5 million in projects. And then the four penny funds combined are about 15% of the plan at 37.3 million. The total five year CIP plan contains 1.744 billion in CIP projects. And all funds are balanced in all five years except for the two SPAR funds, the St. Pete Agile Resilience Funds. Resource and revenues are not currently included in these two funds as we're still working on identifying the funding sources for these projects. So looking specifically at our penny for Pinellas, the five year CIPIP plan includes an estimate of 210.9 million revenue and 173.7 million projects. The difference in these two amounts is the funds held in assignments of fund balance for future appropriations, including our public safety facilities, transfers for debt payment, affordable housing land acquisition, bridge replacement, and future city facility projects. The PNE4 allocation began in FY20, and the majority of the penny funding was planned to be invested in our core infrastructure improvements, including underground wastewater infrastructure, streets and roads, bridges, seawalls, sidewalks, et cetera This change in Pany 4 left a little less funding available for projects traditionally funded from Pany resources. But starting in FY24, we gradually started reducing the amount budgeted for underground wastewater infrastructure from 9 million to a year to 7 million. The FY26 investment will reduce that to 5 million and, and it will remain at $5 million in the three remaining parts rainy years of the five-year plan. The penny revenue estimate for the 10-year penny foreplan has been reduced from $389 million to $385 million for the 10-year span. And before I pass it on to our budget manager, Stacey McKee, to present the next section of the presentation. Are there any questions in the overall budget process and summary section? Council Member, I think we're good. Okay, good afternoon. We'll start with the Housing CIP fund. The Housing Capital Improvement Fund Information starts on page three of the workbook. Housing Capital Improvements Fund was established to account for capital projects for the housing programs. Initial resources came from the General Fund and the fund continues to be supported by the General Fund through transfers. Having in FY 15, funds provided to the city by developers in lieu of producing a workforce housing, Gen City bonus units on site and accordance with chapters 16 land development regulations were accounted for in this fund. Other revenue sources include transfers from other city funds and earnings on investments. There is one project in this fund for FY26 and it's 1.124 million for the affordable workforce housing programs. And this is an increase of 100,000 from last year's project amount. Then next we've got some pictures showing projects that have been funded by the funds from this Housing Capital Improvement Fund. This one is the Bayou Court Apartments Project. And then we have Duce's Rising Town Home Construction. Any questions on the Housing Capital Improvement Fund? Council member. OK. Oh, actually. Councilmember Gabriard. Actually, just a quick question in the workbook page four. At the bottom of the notes, no inflation contingency calculated for projects. Can we have a conversation about that, considering the fact that things are a little unstable in our economy right now? We're not sure about things like tariffs for building, stuff like that. So why was there no inflation contingency? Yeah, these projects are not really as infrastructure related a lot of them are more programmatic But they use our CIP fund because of the fund that they're funded out of. Okay. So that's where they're not included here. We do have fund balance that are used, that we use to fund some of the bigger construction projects that we bring to council. Okay. An example what that's coming for I think was the, yes, Skytown. Yeah, so those since they're they're we're gonna fund them out of different sources But this is mainly more the programmatic and the pay repayments to the credit facility that Yes, Skytown. So those since they're going to fund them out of different sources, but this is mainly more the programmatic and the repayments to the credit facility that we've done to fund projects. OK, so any inflationary contingency, tariff contingency, anything like that would fall within each individual project? OK, all right. Thank you. Thank you. OK. OK, next is the General Capital Improvement Fund that starts on page five of the workbook. Resources to the fund total 1.6 million and include 1.6 million and transfers into the fund as well as $11,000 in interest and earnings on investments. The transfer amount includes 1.21 million from the municipal office building fund to fund repairs and improvements at City Hall, the annex and the municipal services center buildings. 425,000 from the general fund. 325,000 of that is for the assignment of future replacement of fire rescue SCBA and bunker gear and 100,000 it's for the Walter Fuller Capital improvements. Projects currently funded for FY26 total 2.4 million and include two projects, 2.3 million for M.O.B repairs and improvements and 100,000 for the Walter Fuller Capital Improvements. And next we have some pictures of recently funded projects in the General Capital Improvement Fund, and here is a picture of the Obama Main Library under renovation. And we also have the Manhattan Casino HVAC project. Any questions on the general capital improvement fund? Council member, they're good. Okay. So our next section is the penny for Pinellas funds, which start on page nine with the Public Safety Capital Improvement Fund. And when building the FY26 through FY30, penny fund summaries, the following revenue assumptions were made. Penny revenue comes from sales tax revenue and our original revenue estimate for Penny round four was $326 million. The current estimate for the 10 year plan, Penny round four plan is $385 million, which is a decrease from last year's plan of $389 million. And this decreases due to expected slight slowdown in the areas and states ongoing growth. And we saw that a little bit in FY24 with our sales tax numbers going down. So we'll continue to evaluate the penny revenues during the year and later this summer, we will update underlying assumptions if needed after reviewing the state and county estimates as well as our actual FY25 collections. And the five-year plan assumes that the penny for panelists will be reauthorized for another round since FY30 spans both rounds of the pennies so if we if it's authorized for around five, FY30 would be part for FY, part of the part of the penny five. So right now for FY 30, we kept the allocation the same as the penny foreplan until a new penny five plan is developed. The FY 26 preliminary CIP budget, the four penny funds have a total of 37.279 million in projects and a total of 173.6 in projects are the 5 year plan. The Public Safety Capital Improvement Fund begins on page 9 of the workbook and I just wanted to point out there's a type 1 page 10 where the FY 26 amount for the police take home cruisers is missing. It should show us 480,000. We did fix it on the electronic version, but we'd already printed out the books when we saw that it didn't show up. Can you repeat that? Yes, for on page 10, the FY26 amount for police take home cruisers should be 480,000. Sure. And it is included in the total amount. It's just that the project amount was listed there. Well, my question is, nothing happened with the PDF. It just disappeared. Well, did it move from 26 to 27? No. There are funds in 27 and 28. So it's the same amount in both and then 328 and 20. Correct. Correct. Okay. Okay. So projects funded in the Public Safety Fund in FY26 included 1.56 million for the replacement of Ladder Truck 4 about just under 900,000 for the replacement of Fire NG9, 641,000 for the replacement of Fire NG6, and 480,000 for new police take home vehicles for police. And over the five year plan, there's a total of 4.147 million assigned for public safety training facilities. There's also about 650,000 assigned for Fire Station 2, and again, we're planning to come back to City Council this summer to appropriate the main balance of funding needed for the Fire Station 2 project. And it will use the remainder of that assignment. Here are some pictures that have projects that are funded in the Public Safety Capital Improvement Fund that are under construction or recently committed. This picture shows Fire Engine 4 and 8 which were recently replaced. And we also have a picture of one of our new police take on cruisers. Councillor Margaret-Jürslaw. Thank you. Tell me more about the money that's been proposed here for the K9 and fire training facility. That's the continuation of the assignment that we've had over the work to do with the planning process. Can you say that we have a lot of work to do with the planning process. Can you say that we have a lot of work to do with the planning process. Can you say that we have a lot of work to do with the planning process. Can you say that we have a lot of work to do with the planning process. Can you say that we have a lot of workintana is coming up, I'll just let you know that the Canine Facility, we do believe we have a location now. That's been a very difficult adventure trying to find a location. We believe we have one off 24th Street South basically by the interstate and the old Commerce Park area that works well for the police departments where I was working on that. That would free us up at Lake McGory for the Fire Training Center. We've also been working on that. So we are making a lot of progress and we're trying to build our savings to move forward when we can and we'll all let you go into more detail. As Rob mentioned, the K9, we've identified a site in the Commerce Park area. We're doing a test fit of that site right now to make sure that it meets the requirements of the police, been working closely with the police. All indications look good. The site is relatively high, it's unencumbered with any kind of other facilities or buildings on it. There could be an alley vac or a street vacation involved, but from the standpoint of does the facility fit with the canine and their training compound and the requirements for the dogs, so to say so, it does seem that it will fit and we're at the verge of obtaining a cost estimate on it as well and if that does go forward we'll come back to Council with design services to begin that design, work with budget to make sure we've got the design phases covered and move forward. The fire training, as Rob mentioned, the decision was to try to look at with the relocation of the K9 to fit the fire training on the existing site. Again, we had a plan initially to do that. It seems like that would work as well once Canine moves out. And now what we're doing is we're going to advance that to a master plan level, which will require design services, and we'll come back to Council to prove those design services, to really make sure that not only all the details start working on that site, but also how best to possibly phase it within internally so to make sure that we can get it started, get it done, and those design services are going to be brought forward. I mean, the process of receiving those fee services, negotiate those and bring it to council for approval. So, you have to answer any questions. Yeah, I appreciate that and it's great to hear to hear that you found a spot for K9. That does look like a quiz. Yes. Looks good. The way that this funding is rolling, we've got money recommended for FY26, but 27 and 28 have nothing and then it picks up again. So I was hoping someone could explain to me how or why. Because there was a funding. So this is funded by transfers from the general fund fund. So right now we don't have those. And in the out years, we kind of look at it as we go. So once we get to those years, we may be able to transfer more funding. We still have some assignments left from prior years that are available as well on top of that form. So I think we definitely have enough to cover the design. Well, I don't want to say definitely because I don't know the cost yet. But I think we should be able to move forward the design services. And as we get to each year and we get to each one, we'll look and see what we're at and identify them. definitely because I don't know the cost yet, but I think we should be able to move forward the design services. And as we get to each year and we get to each one, we'll look and see what we're at and identify funding sources. Yeah, I know we've been. A lot of unknowns right now. We've been banking some money towards this. So this isn't all we have, but things are kind of in progress. Having these two projects split But I imagine that will increase the cost some somewhat So when you look at what's yeah, you've got individual needs at each site so When we were looking at combining them there was gonna be some joint to be some joint uses. Obviously, that's not going to happen. But working diligently with police and with fire, we're going to try to make it work within the funds that we've got and try to identify what, at least from a design standpoint, then identify the costs at each site individually. So no, there were some benefits combining it, but that really didn't fit within the context of the site we were looking at, so we really didn't need to separate them. And each one will stand alone. Right. Okay. So, thinking about that, when it comes to requesting funding on the state in federal levels, whether it's an appropriation, a community project, any kind of a request, we've been referring to this as one project. Is that going to change? Yeah, I think it will change as we have, as we better define what each project is, and you might recall our conversation this morning and grants or the grants discussion, you know, having a plan and really well articulated plan will increase our probability of getting funding. So, you know, so but yes, it will change the narrative, so to speak, as we are approaching legislators and trying to secure additional funding for them. And I just want to say I misspoke this is a penny fund so it's not covered by the general fund transfers is penny fund. I had the wrong I was looking at the old fund I hadn't flipped my book over so apologize for the yeah. Yeah, yeah, thank you. Thank you for that. All right. Well, I just really appreciate all the work that's being done on this both from making it happen to figuring out how to pay for it. I just appreciate it. Everybody on this side of the room that's working on this, it means a lot. Thank you, Councilmember. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Vice Chair Hanowitz. Thank you, Chair. I mean, Councilmember Driscoll covered what I was asking in terms of the, what I was gonna ask in terms of the fire. And K9 training facility. So I'm just curious, in terms of, you said it depends on funding and what we see. I mean, in FY29 and FY2030, bottom line is, we don't know if we're gonna have funds available then then either. I mean we have nothing in 27 and 28. And when I said I was thinking on the general fund portion I was looking at the wrong fund when I... Oh, that's what we're talking about. Yes, so I apologize for that. So with Penny, you know you have the Penny funds come in, we have an allocation. Right, so it's allocation. So it's allocation. We could change that allocation if the priority is a higher priority, we can up. So it's allocating. Or funds. We could change that allocation. If the priority is a higher priority, we can move. But then something funded in another fund may have to go the wayside. But when we get there and we know what the estimates are, we'll look and see what's the best way to fund. Right. Because the projects. When you mentioned it threw it off when you mentioned general funds. So bottom line of some of the need change here, it's possible that this could move up based on penny funding. If something changes, is my point. Yeah, I mean, I think I understand what you're saying. And I'll just say, I think we're all on the same page for looking to these projects and public safety. I mean, just so you know, you look at fire station number two two we had to take funding from fleet phase A to do that which we're doing we're going to get that approved this year and then these are our two other highest priorities on the public facility side so as we get more information in the time comes it's our full intention to find the funding to go forward with the project. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Any other council members? Okay. Our next penny fund starts on page 12 and it's the citywide infrastructure capital improvement fund. The fund has a total project requirement of 23.578 million for FY 26 and the projects funded include 9.3 million in the street and road improvements category, and that's about 39% of the funds budget. It includes $7.5 million for street and road improvements, which is a million dollar increase over the amount that was in last year's plan. We have $1.3 million for sidewalk reconstruction, $100,000 for brick alley reconstruction, and $400,000 for curb ramp reconstruction. Next, we have 5 million or 21% of the funds allocation for sanitary sewer collection system. 2.5 million or 11% are for bridge-related projects, including 1 million for 58th Street Northover Bear Creek, and 1.5 million for our Bridge Life Extension Program. The transportation and parking improvements projects total 10% of the fund or 2.25 million. We have 600,000 for complete streets, which is 250,000 higher than last year's amount. We have 1 million for the Sidewalk Expansion Program, which is 650,000 over last year's amount. We have 350,000 for our sidewalks and neighborhood in ADA ramp, 100,000 for our bicycle pedestrian facilities, and 150,000 for our neighborhood transportation management plan. We have 2 million for sea wall renovations and replacements, 1.5 million for affordable housing and land acquisitions, just over 800,000 for our transfer of repayment of the debt issue in FY20 for the 40th Avenue bridge over Placido Bayou, and we have 225,000 for our neighborhood enhancement project. This fund also has a number of assignments, which include our affordable housing land acquisition, bridge replacement, debt service payments, and future city facility replacements in our five-year plan. Some pictures of projects that have been funded out of the FUN 3027. We have the West Central Avenue Street Scape, and this is showing Central Avenue at 58th Street. We also have some neighborhood sidewalk and ADA program improvements that are at 62nd Avenue South. And any questions before we move on to our next one? Vice Chair Hanover. Thank you. I'm just in the neighborhood section, the neighborhood enhancement and partnership grants. Remind me why we're doing to 25 this year all under enhancement. Sometimes we split it. We do every other year, so I do enhancement one year, and then we do, let me look to that page of partnerships. The partnerships on the other year. So there's every other year we switch between the two projects. Right, but typically it's 150. So this year all the money is in neighborhood enhancements. I was just wondering if there was a specific reason for that. It's based on the plan that Susie's got going for 26 and the cost of those plan under the neighborhood enhancement project. It's increased in 26 over the typical cost. Okay. Okay. I'll just ask her. Thank you. Thank you. I'll just quickly say thank you for the increases. I just wanted to say thank you for the increases to administration on some of the things that I know a bunch of me and my colleagues talked about sidewalks, complete streets, bikes. So just thankful for the partnership and the increase in those areas. Let's keep going. Oh, Council Member Drisco, did you have something? Thank you. Yes, and forgive me if I'm getting ahead. The question I have is a little bit confusing, this particular issue, and it is a sidewalk, but it is a sidewalk issue. It's a sidewalk that's within a park. And so, although it's listed under recreation and culture, capital improvement, it's a sidewalk within Rosa Park and it's near Booker Creek where we have some structural issues. And the request is actually, I mean, you can see it on page 21. It's listed. And like, so it stuck out to me because it was, it's a $400,000 project, but it's not, it's not funded for this year. And I thought gosh, it's only $400,000. And we've got a chunk of sidewalk that's missing that needs to be repaired and replaced. Why can't we just fit that in? It's funded in the FY27. Right. See, I people, and that's when it was re- the funding was requested. Okay, I want to know why And it's it sounds like this is more of a Public works item than a park item since it is a sidewalk Oh, hey, brush. I didn't see you back here. Yeah. Brush, there's another chair if you need to talk. Just take the chair down there. I know they should. Any engineers? Thank you, Council Member. Yes, so it is funded in the future year. There is a section of war that is near replacement, but there was a large priority project for the potential replacement of the Okak Creek channels itself. But this section was funded and the yet was requested. So are the two related? So one thing I thought was maybe it didn't get funded for next year because there's something else that has to happen first. Yeah, the major wall replacement will take some time to design and construct. But it is a small section and as Steve said mentioned, is funded for replacement. It's just the timing of fitting all the funds. Okay, so if you had the funding, you would be able to replace it. Yeah. Pretty quickly. Yeah, the wall would still have to do some stabilization on the wall, but yeah. Okay. Um, Tom and Rob, do you think you guys could shake the piggy bank a little bit and see if we can find $400,000 to fix the sidewalk? I have more copies of that picture. If you want to hand that to Rob. Um, let's see, let's see if we can get this taken care of. We'll make a note of a council member will take a look at it. Yes, thank you so much. That's all I have. Thank you, Chair. Oh, Brech, did you have more that you wanted to add? Yeah, and just looking at the pitch it is something I would like to actually go out and physically look at the site. Yeah, so even determined, I mean, is it feasible to put it in now? If we do put it in, is the wall and good shape still? Do we need to do any repost is it feasible to put it in now? If we do put it in, is the wall in good shape still? Do we need to do any repostal wall before we put it in? So I'll definitely, I mean, a picture is worth 1,000 words, but also going out on the side as well. Exactly. Yeah, that's why I was wanting to know if there was more to the story. I will find out if there's another chapter to the story. Yeah. All right, and I will find $400,000 to help make it happen. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Bye, share hand ones. Thank you. I forgot I had more questions. So a couple of things that are not listed that used to be listed. What happened to reconstruction, unpaid line item that used to be there, and also the wafering signage line item? So I know for the wafer signage line, I'm they asked to switch that out to fund the bicycle pedestrian facility project instead. That was a higher priority for the department. Uh-huh. And then I need the reconstruction unpaid used to be a line item with 200,000 allotted for each year. I'm not Bridget. Come on. Yes, he's come. Could have told him this. He should have loved. So the reconstruction unpaid, the elements of really maintenance and that itself, and look at what, 30, 27 years, if we're actually fully constructing it or not. But there are separate programs that we're trying to coordinate with in public works as far as if we have utilities planned for replacement on a corridor for maintenance. And the roadway is already unpaved. What we're trying to do is get ahead with the SED process and we can get out the residents and see if we could get the residents to agree to going towards an SED process. Since instead of us restoring the road as an unpaved roadway, when we replace a line, we are reconstructing the road all the way up to the base. We've seen, like, one community, one roadway section, the estimates for that community came in one third if they would have done a regular LCD cost. So trying to be innovative, if I may say, and trying to figure out how to get more for all roadways that are unpaid, the paved. That's why we're taking that tactical approach and coordinating utility projects with foot with unpaid work. But they impoverished we, it's primarily focused more of an operational on the maintenance of discreting and, really. Let me see if I understand, because unpaid roads are soft. I heard it last night at a neighborhood association meeting. So let me understand this. You're trying to basically get it as part of a utility project to get it done, right? So you get more done, right? So we'll get a big, because the utility is going to go in and tear up all that beast material right now, to put in the pipe. OK. So if I was part of putting it instead of they come back and putting back millings as an unpaid rule because we as we by ordinance and by statues, we can't pay for it unless it was elected through that process. So combining it now and the utilities doing everything back up to the base, which they have done with their utility replacement projects then we can coordinate with the residents on the SED side and they just pick up a smaller cost on the resurfacing. Okay so you're telling me the line item is gone but somehow we're gonna get more stuff done. I'm taking the word for it for that. We are we are that's what I'm getting. Yeah we're trying to be more innovative and coordinating how we do work across public works as a whole. Thank you. And then in the notes, there is a total of 26 million program to be assigned for future city facility projects before we used to have those kind of listed. What facility future facility projects is that money program for? It could it's just to make it more flexible so we could use it for a multiple different things. One thing when we're getting towards the end of the penny four plan and towards the beginning of penny five if we have projects that are going to be in penny five that'd like to get started earlier. We could use those funds in 29 and 30 to get those started. So that was one of the reasons we wanted to make a little bit more flexible, but it could also we could shift it to another fund and use it for a different project that could come up prior to need. So it's just to make a little bit more flexible instead of just one or two projects. Okay, Now, I'm just before it said specifically the type of projects and that's a lot of money. So I assume city council is going to be on notice as to what this is because that's a lot of money with no designation. With the MSC, new MSC, this could be used to get that started and if it becomes a penny five priority project maybe it'll do design work with this funds in 29. Okay. That's just one example of what we could do with it. Okay. Okay. Thank you. That's it. Okay. Let's keep going. All right. Our third penny fund is the Recreation and Quarterm Fund. The information starts on page 18 of our workbook. And the total 26 project requirements are 8.74 million. 2.7 million or 32% are for library improvements, with 2.4 million being for the Mirror Lake Community Library Water Intrusion, 164,000 for Mirror Lake-lake library entry step replacement, and 175,000 for general library improvements. We have 1.9 million or 22% for a happy theater, including 1.5 million for the public address system improvements, and 400,000 for a happy theater improvements. 17% or about 1.5 million is for the transfer of repayment of the debt service for Shore E Gers-Rex Center and Obama main library renovation. About 15% or 1.35 million is for parks and open spaces and includes 800,000 for play equipment replacement, 350,000 per park's facilities improvements, and 100,000 each for park's lighting improvements improvements. 6% or 500,000 is for athletic facility improvements including 300,000 for the Shuffle Board Grandstand improvements and 200,000 for athletic facility improvements. We have 400,000 for pool improvements and 300,000 for recreational center improvements and this fund also has assignments for debt service payments and future city facility projects over the five year plan. One of the pictures we have for projects funded in this fund is the Crescent Lake playground. And any questions? Councilmember Gavard. Thank you, Chair. So I noticed on the unfunded, 325,000 for the Sunshine Center and wanted to see I was looking through on page 22. Mike, I was looking through the documents that we were provided that were all of the department CIP requests. I didn't see a description for what that, I mean, it's unfunded, so, I mean, kind of matters, doesn't really matter, but this is a project that's very important to me. The Sunshine Center, we've been talking about for a very long time, needs quite a facelift, I think we could all agree, and I think that there, we've discussed in the past some opportunities for redevelopments, some other opportunities, you know, maybe to add housing, you know, a lot, you know, that we could talk about there. But, you know, 325,000 was what was listed here as the unfunded. I didn't see any context for what that would have even gone to. So I wanted to bring it up for conversation. So happy to have the conversation, Councilmember. There is a thought and we haven't listed in another section of the budget to actually do sort of a replacement of the Sunshine Center in the next pinning round. So that's sort of a concept that's floating around. The item that you're speaking of specifically is really sort of a bridge maintenance plan to get us there. We we know we've got some water intrusion issues, we had some HVAC issues. And so basically depending on the timing of, you know, if things happen in the next pinning round, if that's something that we can secure and we can lock in, then maybe we do less to bridge to get us there. So that's what the intent was of the line item that you're mentioning. Okay, but with it being unfunded, I mean, Rob and Tom, I don't know. I mean, if there's improvements that need to be made sooner rather than later, recognizing that a redevelopment project, the, you know, kind of history that we have with those, I mean, could take a full five years at least. But certainly, I think, to the point, there's a lot that could be done now to improve that property. What is the plan from administration standpoint to make sure that that center is viable at least in the meantime? Yeah, so we appreciate the feedback, we're getting good feedback today on multiple items, so we'll take that back and take a look at it. Our thought process this year coming in was really that the Mirror Lake Library was the highest priority and you can see that we're putting some significant funding in there, so that's really what we were prioritizing over some other facilities and community enrichment. But we can certainly take a look at the whole scope of things and take a look at the sub-transparent. Yeah, I would appreciate if there could be some consideration made for improvements that need to be made now. Specifically, I mean, the air conditioning system is one that I think we've been talking about for a very long time there. But I mean, there's certainly other improvements I think could be made. I want it to be realistic and to your point, I don't want to completely remodel it because that building in my opinion has reached its useful life. But certainly I don't want it to go ignored and not taking care of first. So I appreciate it. Thank you. Council Member Driscoll. Thank you. Like, so first questions for you. And it's regarding the over at Bartlett Park, Patenis and Picklebot LED lighting enhancement. Yes. I see that. So that one's unfunded. And it's not a lot, but is the light. I understand the lighting enhancement. Is the current lighting sufficient for everyone? So we've replaced all of the storm damage lighting that has a current out of the tentator. And this basically, so now we have a mix of new lighting and old lighting. And we're finding that the old lighting potentially doesn't hold up well in the storms because it's reached its end of life. So this line item that we put in would be to replace the rest of the lighting that's there at the tennis center to kind of have it all be more resilient as far as storms go. So we have enough lighting. We're functioning fine right now. This was really being more proactive versus reactive. And so that was the theory and the reason we submitted that line item. Okay, I understand. And we are looking to see if it could be funded from maybe our BP or REI for our involving funds. We do have the list we're working with, the SRE to see if that's a possible funding source to get that one. That'd be great. Okay, good. And then right under that is the same Tennessee Center resurfacing and lighting. And that's something that's been coming up for several years now. And it's not getting any better. So I'm a little worried that we're passing that one by again. So again, I think it was about kind of picking priorities. We're looking to move forward on the shuffleboard grandstand, which was one of our top priorities, which did. That was a big dollar amount. Yes, and I appreciate that. It pushed some other out a bit. The hard-true courts that are out at the tennis center, those based on contracting or the responsibility of the tennis center organization. And so we're working with them to see if we can come up with something creative like we did with the fencing Previously, so yes, yes, that would be great Okay My next question from this list is regarding the policy and they're actually three projects three big projects that Have gone unfunded for that so maybe that's a question. I'm starting to learn who's got what between Brian and Matt. So I'm happy I got this one right. We're not sure either. So my question. So we've got three. So we have bar and floor and sub-sortuary placement, AT&TAC, and parking lot expansion project. This is going to send a little bit like what Council Member Gabor was saying with the Sunshine Center. You know, we've got a building that we've been waiting a while to get some things done with. This is starting to, it's really starting to add up when you look at some of our older, let's call them seasoned facilities that really need help. I mean, even just today we've talked about the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, Of course, now we're talking about other things. The Sunshine Center, the Municipal Services Center. We've got a marina who knows what's going on with that right now. I mean, these things were so far behind on renovations and upgrades and repairs. With the Coliseum, this one's a really good and nice revenue generator and a real point of pride if you ask anyone who's interested in our city's history or some of the wonderful events that are held there. We got to do something. Yes, and we actually worked with engineering and we've had a study done of this related to the floor and we've got some alternatives and such, but quite truthfully, those alternatives are very expensive and very time consuming. So what we have done is we've secured or supported the floor in a much more not permanent but less temporary way in a much more midterm way so it is safe and it is usable. And so I think we would be looking further out as our decision to look further out so we can make, you know, better decisions with the timeline and such because what we're looking at now could potentially be, you know, an 18-month to 24-month closure and multiple millions of dollars and that's not something we want to do right now. So it's safe and it's usable and we're doing all of the things that we need to do, but it's for us, it better to move that forward a little bit. And I know we can't fix everything at one. Right. There's only so much money to go around. But whether it's the Coliseum or the Manhattan Casino or anything in between, we've got a lot. And it's hard to see this stuff getting pushed, year after year. I hope that we can continue to think creatively whether it's with the the tennis center or the Coliseum to try to find ways to start making more progress on these these items. And then the other thing I want to bring up in general is that under recreation and cultural or cultural capital improvement in in this particular section We've got over 35 million dollars of unfunded projects here and You know this is this is an area where it really hits to Hits the factor. Our parks, our recreational facilities, our entertainment facilities, all of that stuff is something that's enjoyed, can be enjoyed by everyone in our city and this is what makes it, you know, makes people so happy to live in St. Pete. I want to make sure we're taking care of this stuff and trying to find the funding wherever we can. I want this list to get a lot shorter as we go on, not longer. Thank you. Thank you. Council Member Gibbons, thank you so much, Chair, I appreciate it. And thank you all for your time. I want to talk for a moment about the recreation centers in our libraries for just a moment, Mike. We heard recently from City employee who came in concerned about employee safety. She came in concerned because to my understanding there were some young people who decided they wanted to come into the Johnson Library and bring guns. We have metal detectors coming into City Hall going into the MSC building, but we don't have these metal detectors where our most vulnerable residents are. It's our rec centers, our senior center, our libraries, right? So as we talk about capital improvements to our recreation centers and to our libraries, I really want us to consider installing metal detectors because if we can spare one life, if we can deter just one shooting, then I think we've done our jobs. Our job is public safety. We should prioritize the public safety of our residents and our city employees. So I really would hope that administration will do all they can to try to find the dollars to invest in good dozen metal detectors to put out there. Like I said, I know we can't take guns, but we can stop from. And I think if we can at least deter one person from coming in there doing something they shouldn't, especially after FSU, we've done our job. So thank you so much, I appreciate it. Yeah, go ahead. Sorry, can I interrupt? Absolutely. So I wanted to bring back some information to you, Councillor Gabbard. In, we actually have money that is budgeted for the AC and Windows at the Sunshine Center. Okay. We have 2.25 million that is split up in design and implementation. So that is something that we're working on now as far as replacing that AC and the windows that that we have concerns out at the Sunshine Center. So that's in addition to that item that is below the line. Do you off the top of your head remember which fund? Yes it's in. It's in the Reckon culture fund. It was at point. Yeah it was a 20-year It was at 24 for design 25 for construction so I think we did 1.9 for construction 25s adopted budget in this. Okay and do you know when those projects will be moving forward? There are no. Yeah. So the design of the air conditioning is underway. We're just about done with design. We have a construction manager that's pricing it out now. So we should be getting a GMP and bringing it forward fairly quickly. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thanks. Mike Doko. Vice your handouts. Thank. Thank you chair. So you know, in terms of the unfunded request for recreation culture, typically how are these paid for penny monies and general fund, right? That's where the money comes from. Typically and I have to say that I have to say that we work with the budget department anytime There's any type of emergencies that occur any type of items that break at a facility AC whatever maybe we find the money to repair those Well if we do decide as a city council to end the CRA at 2032 and that extended that's 230 something million dollars that could be used for the things that we need in the city So we extended the CRA for 10 years for a stadium. We want some of this things done That's one good way of getting some money back So it's something to think about because these are the type of things that are not getting done Because we have money that's within a CRA that would go into the general fund which actually pays everything else police fire Parks and rec employee Benefits so on and so forth. I just wanted to point that out because I think we have an opportunity there coming soon and Councilmember Floyd has an item that's pending at some point So we'll'll have that discussion. In terms of the Sunk and Gardens HVAC replacement, what's happening with that in Sunk and Gardens? Do you know anything? That's unfunded and I just want to make sure obviously it's very popular. Lots of things go on there. I don't know if the age fact includes grade X Great explorations. I assume it's the whole building and so I just wanted to have an idea It's it's the the main building sunken gardens area and so we're actually doing design or we're starting to design on that system. Okay, in the next few weeks hopefully. Okay, great. Thank you, that was it. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Guelton. Thank you, just real quick. I just want to piggyback off of two things. My colleagues have said, Ditto, on the 3032 extension. I've already shared this with the administration. And I've set it once publicly already. in my opinion, no stadium, no need for an extension. That to me just makes complete sense. So I'm looking forward to that conversation. And then the second thing to piggyback off of Council Member Givens and the safety at our facilities. And it may be inappropriate to get into too much detail here, just because we want to make sure we're not giving away all of our safety and security plans. But I do just want to say I echo your comments, Council Member Givens. I'm hearing from those employees that evening. I've heard, you know, over years from other employees who have some concerns about safety and public spaces as well. I don't know. I mean, in addition to metal detectors, I'm sure there are other mechanisms. I don't know if we have, you know, safety buttons. There's protocol for inspecting those and making sure that you know we're really staying on top of that sort of safety measures. Physical safety measures but I just wanted to add to those concerns because hearing from those residents that evening, heartbreaking, terrifying. We want people to feel safe in our spaces. We especially want to make sure our city employees are safe. I always felt very safe in this building, and I want all of our city employees to fill the exact same safety that we feel here at City Hall. So I just wanted to echo both of my colleagues, great points, and that's my two cents. So thank you, Chair. May I respond to that? Totally appreciate both of your comments and made notes on those. There are security items that are in place that I would prefer not to discuss right now. I can tell you that we were very closely with the police department. And I can tell you even in the scenario at the library is the gun did not make it into the facility. So the gun just came to the front door. Our protocols worked. was detected by camera and we were able to have that taken care of before the gun actually made it into the facility. Also happy to report that one of the things that we heard from our library staff was that the existing security contract with the security guards that we had in place wasn't working. We went to Mayor, Rob and Tom, and on the spot they allowed us to hire our own security guards. So we will have a security guard at every library that's a city employee. So there's a lot that's being done that we don't really want to get into details in a public form on. But we completely agree with you. Mayor Welch and Rob and Tom, we're all 100% on the same page about safety first. And I think the protocols that we have in place have been very successful and will continue to follow best practices as we move forward. Just a quick follow up to the security team, is that also for our rec centers or is it just for our libraries? So that's just for our libraries. Okay. At this point, the rec centers quite candidly, it's very rare to drive by a rec center parking lot without having a police officer in it doing reports or work. So we feel like we're in good shape there. But again, happy to continue the conversation. We did just have a accreditation team visit us last week and one of the chapters is on security and I can tell you that we passed that without any recommendations or suggestions as far as best practices and benchmarks that are nationally accepted for recreation facilities. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. Mike. I just have one question real quick. First, again, another thank you. Thank you for increasing to administration for increasing the play equipment from 600 to 800. Mike, I was just wondering, is the kind of $200,000 per play apparatus is that holding true? Are we seeing increases in those? Is this, I guess, how many, I'll call them parks, but I guess how many playgrounds? So we have 76 playgrounds. How many are coming offline? Or how many are coming to end of life, let's say in the next three years? So there's a lot of variables. OK. We are happy with where we have increased the dollar amount to. Some of the variables include, is the playground on the water front? Is it near salt water? Is it rusting? What's happening there? We also have certified playground inspectors that go out. And what we will do is we will actually, if we have a system that's coming offline, it's at end of life like the crescent lake playground. We'll use pieces from that playground and we'll replace those throughout the system. One of the things that we are finding is that now that we're doing either the forever lawn or port in place, that's adding a substantial cost and then we're also adding shade to all of our new playgrounds as well. So we are finding that the cost is increasing, but we feel like we're able with this increase, we feel like we're able to keep track and kind of keep pace with it at this point. That's where I wanted to hear. Thank you very much. Okay, let's keep going. Thank you. Thanks Mike. Thank you. Okay, and our final penny fund is our City Facilities Fund. It starts on page 23 of the work. The total projects funded in FY26 for this fund are just over 1.4 million. We do have 650,000 for city facility roof and water proofing. 256,000 for the transfer for a payment of debt issue to complete the Jamestown unit renovations. We have 200,000 for our city, facilities, HVAC replacement or upgrade project, and 150,000 each for fire facilities, major improvements, and infrastructure to be determined. Any questions on this fund? Council members. All right. All right, we shall move into the enterprise fundss now and that starts on page 26 of the workbook with the Downtown Parking Capital Improvement Fund. Projects in this fund are funded through transfers from the Parking Revenue Fund and earnings on investments. There is sufficient revenue in this fund's balance to support the FY26 project so there is not a transfer plan for 26. There are three projects in 26 that total $725,000. The first is the City Hall Lot 4 resurfacing and striping project at $325,000. And then a new meter technology project at $200,000 and a new meters downtown project at 200,000 as well. Any questions on the downtown parking? I have to improve my. Council members. Council member Dr. Swell. Thank you. Evan? Aye. Hello. Hey, I'm glad to see this. Is it for the new meters of the is that going to take care of everything versus the phase one. We usually have about this much and every year's budget for the possibility of adding meters downtown. And we don't have a place defined yet, but we think it could be the edge district. We worked really closely with them and with the new public garage opening. It might be good timing to do that. And then the meter technology, maybe that's actually the one that you met to change over the coins to accept credit cards and park mobile. So this will get us most of the way there. And we would like to move forward with this, but what we're finding is that the very vast majority of people like to use park mobile now. And so this is still something good to do, but it actually used to be more important. Because now people will reach for either coin or their phone or credit card. OK, thanks. And then the city hall, not for resurfacing and striping, probably not your shop, but it's your fund and it's parking. So is it something that you would, well I guess it would be, sorry, I was thinking about a different project. Does the lot really, is it in really bad shape? I don't know a lot for it. I don't use lot for it, so I don't know. So we looked at it pretty closely, and we just finished, or we're about to resurface L-ang lot this summer. And this lot's in pretty rough shape. We've worked with engineering to come up with a scope that would be a little bit less expensive, like taking off a little bit less of a layer of asphalt. But it's certainly in the kind of shape where we wouldn't wanna leave it as is for the next five or 10 years. So we're gonna, we recommend resurfacing and replace resurfacing and restriping to make sure we don't have any truck hazards and those sort of things. This is the one that's across history. Just to help public employee parking. Okay, and we've had discussions, and I still enjoy bringing up the fact that that area is could potentially be the creation of our new municipal services center. And if we do have other parking lot resurfacing priorities that you were trying to decide between this and something else, if that one's not awful, if that one's not dangerous, I would love to hold off on investing in parking lot resurfacing for a parking lot that might be built on in the next few years. So are you saying that we're not doing outling because we're doing this? No, we budgeted for outling this year. So it's about to happen. So we prioritize that one over this one. So what would be the next one? So what would be the next one? So what would be the next one? So what would be the next one? So what would be the next one? So what would be the next one? So what would be the next one? So what would be the next one? So what would be the next one? So what would be the next one? up to your point. I mean what's the future of the parking lot? So that's why we're not going to do a full in-depth resurfacing is we're going to be a lighter level of resurfacing. And we've had these conversations as far as the declining curve of preventing that maintenance, preventative maintenance so that it just will not hit in the end. We have to reconstruct it. OK. It is in really poor shape. The aggregate is releasing. And it will start to get to the point that then we'll be calling Marshall to repair bottles. So before it gets to that point we really do want to patch it essentially give it that lighter touch of bringing its life back up which will bias not a 20 year service life but probably that 10 or 5 years service life. So to your point it's that balancing out of what are we going do? We're not gonna do the full, because what's the future, but really we have to do enough to get it there. And in all reality, once you get started on the larger, if that is a location that ends up being developed in the future, the RFG process, design process, permitting process, there will be some time to get to it. So it's kind of like getting your roots done rather than a full color job? You know, if I would have come up and said that, I agree. I'm speechless. I can't say anything. I can't. I don't know what you're talking about. I'm not. I'm just a huge sir. I'm just just gonna know you were an expert on that too. I trust you. I'm going back in the back. Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate that very much. And so, I mean, this isn't a whole lot of money. And so I'm not terribly worried about it. It's just that especially at times like this, we want to look at every dollar. And I want to make sure that we're not spending here for a short time, something that isn't going to be around that long versus something that could have longer lasting results. So I appreciate the explanation from both of you. That's all I have. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. I haven't talked about it anywhere. Council Member Evans, thank you, Chair. Question for you, Evan. And I don't want to go too far in depth into the scope of the meter replacement. But I do have a question. Are we taking out the old meters and replacing them with new meters? Is that what that is? Or are we putting in the kiosk similar to what we have over at the pier? Good question. So we would stick with single space meters. We don't have to replace the whole thing, but you just take the head off, put a new head on that accepts the credit cards. So it's a partial replacement. We would stick with single space. So which one speaking of life, which one buys us more life? Would it be replacing that head or taking them out completely and installing those kiosk? I mean, if we wanted to go to kiosk citywide, it would be a really expensive project in order to have enough machines that would be convenient for folks. So I think we're on the right path. Some of the meters are not very old and I find that people still like either to do the have the phone or just the simplicity of there's my space there's my meter I don't have to walk to a machine. Remember a space number or walk a receipt back to my car and put on a dashboard. So I know a lot of cities do the multi space meters for on-street, but we've found that here for on-street single space meters work best and then we use the multi space and the parking lots. I appreciate that. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. Council Member Driscoll. Before we move on, could you quickly give us an update on where you're at with EV charging stations? I can't give you a very good update right now and we're working with sustainability on a big program and there'll be more to talk about soon, but I don't have a great update. Well, I'm sure I'll be excited to hear what that looks like. And I hope that when it's time, when you guys do come up with with something I hope that we can find the funding to make it happen because that's been An interesting topic out there lately. I If I may we should have an update to provide to you when we come to the Hearst Committee on the ISAP update on May 15th. Excellent. Yes. Okay. Good. Well, make sure we're ready to fund when you guys are ready to launch. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you. Just quickly, Evan, just for my nerd brain, how many new meters does $200,000 get us? The new meters cost about $900 each and the replacements for the improving the technology is about $500. Thank you, Herb. Thank you very much. All right. We'll move the Tropicana Field on capital projects fund that's on page 28. FY 26 resources for this fund totaled $512,000 and include 250,000 for naming rights, 250,000 for ticket surcharge and 12,000 in earnings earnings on investments. And projects will be brought forth to the City Council for appropriation as needed in this fund. Any questions there? I think we can keep going. Hey, man. Next up, Water Resources, Capital Projects Fund. And this is, if you can, some page 30 in the workbook. The resources in the capital project fund consist of transfers from the water resources operating fund, customer connection fees, public utility revenue bonds, water closet or impact fees, assessments and investment earnings, including the 5 million in penny funding. We are at a 5050 ratio of cash to debt funding for the FY26 water resources capital projects. Projects in the water resources capital projects funds total of 126.12 million in FY26 and are distributed in the following major project categories. 34% in the water reclamation facilities improvements category at 42.9 million, 20% in lift station improvements at 25.7 million, 18% in water distribution system improvements at 23 million, 15% in water treatment supply at 19.3 million, 6 percent in sanitary sewer collection system, and that's a little over 7 million, 3 percent in the reclaimed water system improvements right around 4 million, another 3 percent in water resources building improvements, and 1 percent in the transfer to the water resources debt fund at 1.2 million and then we've got 125,000 for computerized systems. For FY 26 the water resources capital project budget amounts can be broken out in the following categories. Master plan projects total 102. million, resiliency projects total 64.705 million, and St. Pete Agile resilience, resiliency projects total 6.2 million. Some of the FY26 CIP projects are listed in more than one category. For example, the priority area, in place, pipe projects, 3 million is a master plan project as well as a resiliency project. And of the 131.12 million in the water resources projects, which includes the 5 million of penny, 118 million or 90% of those projects are associated with one or more of these categories. Then we do have some pictures of some recent activity projects in the Spund. Here is an aerial view of the Northeast Water Reclamation Facility. And we've got another picture of the Water Resources new laboratory building projects that was recently completed. We've got the 48-inch force main condition assessment project and lift station 42 construction. Council member Flood, thank you. Not sure if this was exactly the right place to bring it up, but I think it was mentioned earlier the penny funding going down, I think two million more. I know we've been talking about this for a while. Just wondered if, first off, like we could just put it in the context, I think is what I would hope for, like sort of maybe a little bit of a conversation around what more we feel we're able to accomplish because of that in other places. And then like, if we, and I believe this is the case, like that it may not affect rates very much. So if we could just have a little discussion about that. So I may have to ask John or Claude to remind me of what the impact on the rate is, but some examples in Liz and Tim will correct me if I'm wrong, but we were able to increase investments in streets and roads and sidewalks and complete streets because of that continued reduction of investment here in the water resources. Okay, yeah. Anything else Liz? That's, yeah. I think that in context with the rate impact, I don't know if anyone has any info on that. Like I just want to continue to like make sure we're doing the right thing here and that people know what the trade-off we're getting is. I'd like to get back to you on the rate impact because I don't have the exact number in front of me, do recall it, it's less than 1%. OK. OK. All right. Thank you for that. Yeah. on the rate impact, because I don't have the exact number in front of me, but I do recall it's less than 1%. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you for that. Yeah, I'd love to just see it in detail. But yeah, I think it is maybe not necessarily like the biggest thing in the world, but I just like to continue to have the conversation around how the change in sort of a kind of a longstanding policy is affecting things. And so I just thought now was a good time to bring it up. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Council Member Horry. Thank you, Chair. Tom, the slide that was up 50-50 debt to cash, is that cultural for us and if so, how long has it been? Yeah, you know, we incorporated that concept into our fiscal policies a couple of years ago. It had been a practice that, or a goal to get to that 50-50 split over probably six, seven, eight years. There was a time where we were borrowing 75, 80% of our CIP program and quite candidly the rating agencies looked at that and they said, you're getting a little highly leveraged. So the goal was to get to that 50, 50. And we've been there for a couple of years. And like I said, we incorporated into our fiscal policies. But it's challenging because, and it's a little bit counterintuitive. But the more cash you put in, the more pressure there are for rates to go up. So if you tinkered or turned down 40% cash, you would have a little bit more cushion in the rate setting process. So it's a little bit counterintuitive, and I don't know if I'm explaining that very well, but... Yeah, but you still got a bigger pile of debt, though. So I was interested in that. And is that cultural or did we codify that in our group? Is that administrative driven policy? Yeah, we incorporated or codified it in our fiscal policies. OK, certainly we review that fiscal policy with BFNT annually. And if there were course corrections, we can make those annually. Think in 2016 and then it took a five year period to go to 50-50, which was our first year on council. I think it's when we went 50-50. I remember correctly. And that's what leads to a triple-eriding. Thank you for that. Thank you. Council Member Floyd, just one quick thing. I know it's been discussed in the context of this conversation like while we're trying trying to fund SPAR, having everything on the table. And so I just figured I'd mention it now. I'm open to obviously discussing changing policies in the way we've done things, but I did also just want to say, like I saw the SPAR project starting to be funded here. I'm very grateful for that and just continue to offer, like I am open to any and every way that we can get those across the finish line I think those are really important to a lot of people and they're really important to me So I just wanted to say thank you and say look forward to seeing the ones that aren't quite funded You know being flexible and figuring out how we can make it happen Thanks, sure. Thank you Any other councilmembers water resources? Mr. Chair, if I and I may be getting a little bit of cart before the horse, but since councilmember Floyd brought it up You know one of the the tools in our tool belt or what we'd like to have a conversation about and maybe it's something we should Set up a cow or a visit with BF and T however The council would like to proceed. But to lay out what it would look like to do a general obligation, kind of financing to address some of the spar investments. I know that is a long conversation in and of itself, and I'm not suggesting we have that here today, but know certainly very very near future or you know this later this summer I have that conversation and kind of lay out what the plan would look like. Thank you. Council member Go. I'm glad that you went there because I was sitting over here contemplating whether or not to go there. So here we are. I guess I I would like us to have this conversation sooner rather than later because in my neighborhoods we have a lot of conversations we've had in neighborhood meeting the other night that you are also lovely to attend with me and Kim. And infrastructure is the number one conversation. And I think there's a reality around that, that how do we fund that? And the residents are looking at us to make those tough decisions, but quite frankly, it's gonna have to be a partnership with our community. And when I got the book, and I started looking through all of this, quite frankly, I feel like 4-004, which we haven't got to yet, but is basically an unfunded list. And if I'm a resident and I'm looking at this and you're telling me you're going to do all of these projects because we are advancing all of this, but then you put this budget together and it's basically an unfunded list without a conversation around any future funding mechanisms. It's all for not. And I don't like smoking mirrors in any of this work because this work is too important to the residents that we serve. So I'm I'm not like overjoyed about the way that we've laid this out. I'm just not. I feel like like I said it's quite frankly an unfunded list and I think we're kind of needing to get to that conversation about what future funding looks like as part of approving a budget. I don't really know how we can give our blessing to a budget when we haven't had any conversations about this page and how this page gets funded. And I would love, I mean, I had no chair, you don't want to get into it right now, I understand it, so you can help me to wait, but I would like to hear what my colleagues think about that. Because quite frankly, I can't go to my residents and say, oh yeah, we're going to have $75 million in projects done in the next two years without being able to tell them how. That's just not possible. So if we could just before we are from council members just to give a little feedback to that. And we certainly appreciate it because we had the same discussion about how do we want to show this? Right. And so we felt that this was the best way to show it in the workbook, you know, to have that conversation. The budget might look differently. And I think we've mentioned before that, you know, for FY26, we wanted to start the a SPAR program and that that would be built into the rates. And that's what we're presenting. And then on a going forward basis, we're going to have to look at this general obligation bond. And Thomas said we're going to come back in the summertime, walk everybody through the process, start having that discussion. Now, whether ultimately we go forward with that or not, is going to be a discussion with City Council and the decision and council's going to make. We're also working heavily on our CDBR budget. So we'll see what comes out of that as far as the infrastructure side. It is a HUD program. So it's going to be heavy on housing. You know, we know that, but we do think there'll be some infrastructure funding. So we're working through those parts right now. We certainly understand where your're coming from. But I think that we also feel that for rates to handle spar alone is not practical. And so we didn't want to show it that way because we don't think that that can actually happen. And so we want to continue to have the discussion on how we might do it. Sheriff, I may have quickly. So if there was to be a general obligation bond, that has to go before residents as a referendum, which would not even happen until November of 2026. Correct. Or possibly in the primary, possibly. Either way, it's not even going to be, money's not even going to be, if it passes, it's not even going to be coming in on it until the 2027 or 2028 budget. Well we would we would all let Tom talk about it. We'd borrow. We would borrow. We would borrow against the bill. So we would do more borrowing with a forecast of how much would be funded if it passes. Yeah I mean the Geo bond is to you borrow the money, you have the money, you can execute it, and then the ad dorm increase pays it back over time. But Tom, I don't know if you want to. No, I mean, that's exactly right. And Council member, you laid out the timeline exactly. We would first start seeing actual revenue from a potential debt levy, they call it a debt military, in 2028. But as Rob has pointed out, we could issue bonds prior to that, secured by those future revenues. And I don't want to get into all the details of, you know, you can capitalize interest, meaning, you know, some of that interest is paid by the borrowing, or we could find other resources to pay the first year until the levy starts coming in so So like I said, there are a lot of ways to do it. But, you know, but I just wanna say again, you have the timing right. Basically, if we go in 26, it would be the 28 budget when we'd actually see the revenue. And I just bring it up today because these conversations become more and more challenging in our communities because as you know, especially sitting in front of residents at these neighborhood meetings, they want action now. And we know that not only supplies but timing and manpower really funding is our number one hurdle for that. So I just, my conversations with my residents are as realistic as I can be, and I just want, I think they should be very realistic here too. So thank you, Chair. Thank you. Vice Chair Hanwins. Thank you. And just on that note, I've been having those conversations in my district there was a reason why in PSI last year when we were considering taking up on the stadium, we brought up the issue of what 30 years looks like, which is like $6 billion. And I've had those tough conversations in my district and explained to people, somebody has to pay for this. And chances are, it's us. No one else is gonna come up with a billion dollars to pay for this stuff. And you have to be realistic as to who's going to pay for it and how. And so it's a very difficult conversation, but the reality is that if it comes from the utility fees, people can, as it is right now, they're very high. There's only so much more that people can take and that's what's paying for a lot of this. Otherwise it it has to come from an avalora mincrease. And right now, there's inflationary pressures everywhere, which is not the greatest time in either. So, you know, that's the idea that we're going to be able to get everything done that we need is just when I see the numbers and we had these conversations about our stormwater master plan and a billion dollars and we're putting 20 something million a year But we really need 50 million a year and the same thing for our integrated water resources plan or the same-peat water plan Whatever the name is right now and we're only putting half of it There is I don't see anywhere where we're going to get that money unless people either. You do a referendum because it's not in the budget. And chances are people, it's tough. It is very tough and people are having a hard time paying all their all the grocery bills. So I would love to have that conversation. I think it's a appropriate conversation to have. At the end of the day, it's voters at the side whether or not they want to do it. And I'll have those conversations with my neighborhood just like I've already had and told them point blank whether or not they want to see and have that choice and have it in a referendum. And I think we all should be having those conversations. And not just now, we should be, we should have been having them because the money has to come from somewhere. And the federal government, the state of Florida, no one else is going to be able to sell it on this. That's my two cents on the aggregate. We have to have it sooner rather than later. So thank you, Chair. Thank you. Councilmember Fix Anderson. Thank you. A quick question. And I will say that I do agree with Councilmember Gabbard. Explain this to me really quickly. In 4003 there's 2 million set aside in 264. Spark program management. What is that? Let's be honest. With the level of construction work and engineering project work that would be condensed into a very short period of time. We do not have the resources internally within the city to manage that level of work. So this would be a program manager with staff augmentation resources and program management resources to help guide, develop, and manage all of these projects going on simultaneously condensed within such a short period of time. We're essentially taking 20 plus years of CIP work and trying to condense it down into five years. And so that's a huge lift. And not one that we really want to be able to staff up, internal staff to be able to try and make that lift. OK, so you say projects. I guess I'm just trying to understand the difference between that SPAR program management cost and no dollars being spent on SPAR capital programs. So the initial FY26 funding is to develop the program. So to schedule out and be able to plan out the delivery of all of these programs. There's 6.2 million in the 4,000 three fund in FY 26 of SPAR projects. Okay, so I agree I would love to have this conversation so I can better understand the timing and the dates on this and this might not be the right place for it, but where, and I didn't see it, where did we decide, or how did we decide to fund the digital meters that we are transitioning our 9,000 households? So that is an AMI program. So it's in the distribution parent. Because I see one right here in 404. That's not funded. It has 12 million or 2027. Would that be that would that would that would be part of accelerating that program? Okay. So we don't have anything as far as the digital convert meters for 2026 at all. No, if I may. Yes, please. We're still trying to work that out. We, you know, we had the conversation about advancing the digital meters sometime within this this calendar year. And so our team has been working really hard. We just had a meeting yesterday. We're going to have a meeting tomorrow to try to figure out a way to advance that. But we're still in the guesswork of how to advance it. And we didn't want to put a line in here in this book for you guys today without having more information to provide to you. So it's just a timing of when this information was compiled, when this book was created with the fact that we're still trying to figure out how we can get it done next year. So I do anticipate as we go through this process of coming back to you to explain how we want to advance it and how we plan to fund it and get it done. Okay and thank you for that because I was looking at the leak detection initiative, the valve replacement, just those things to help those residents with what we suffered last year because that will be very beneficial to share with the constituents that we do have a plan in place but we're trying to figure out how we're going to pay for it as with everything else. So I just want to find out about that and where that is and that's thank you for answering my question. Thank you Chair. I I sure handled. I had just something else. If we're going to have the conversation regarding Spar and the funding, I also want to kind of understand the impacts of having 20 years of CIP projects on the operating budget for those departments. I think that's probably an important conversation to have. Is this, there are two different things. So we're talking these numbers. We're not even looking at those other numbers, which is what the operating impacts, I mean, there would be. I would anticipate yes, there would be. I would anticipate in some ways there may be some offset on operational costs as we make improvements to the facilities. We may have some savings in operational costs but there will be some increases too and frankly we just haven't had a chance yet to put those numbers down and really think through it we're still just trying to figure out how to get the construction work done. But when we're talking about having program managers and outsourcing some of this. Correct. And the thought process behind that as John said is that if we're going to accelerate this program, we anticipate that this accelerated program, the SPAR program is not going to be a permanent program. It's going to have an end date at some point. It may be five years, maybe seven years. At that point, we anticipate no longer needing to have those resources that we're going to apply into managing and operating the SPAR program. And it's and so rather than having those resources as city employees, having them as consultants allows us to separate at that time. Okay. I to make sure that what I mean it's great to have this plan that we're going to expedite things but I want to see how everything else is impacted by it. I'm sure you do and it would be nice to have an in the meeting to talk about staffing, to talk about what other operational costs. Because. I'm sure you do and it would be nice to have an in-a-medium to talk about staffing, to talk about what other operational costs Because that's our budget. So I think that's extremely important. So thank you. Thank you chair. Council member gathered So on page 42 of the workbook John under the water distribution system You explain the difference between the line item, backflow prevention, meter replacement, and the item next to the bottom of that particular section, service tap, meters, and backflows. What's the difference between those two things? Because we got backflow meters and meters backflows. Sorry, I'm just trying to zoom in on. Yeah, so it's 2.5 million in the first and 1.7 in the second. Mm-hmm. It's like five down from the third section. Just one here. Yeah. And then two from the bottom of that section. Backflow prevention meter replacement. Uh-huh. There are project descriptions. Service tab, both of them. Both of them? Yes.. Okay, so I'll go back and find it then. Yeah, and I don't want to speak out of turn. Water distribution, backflow, prevention meter replacement. Water existing services, and then one might be a customer. The other are other customer funded job for new services Yes, yes, so so one is is Replacement of those services based on on the life cycle That's not acceleration Standard no no no that is that is standard replacement based on the life cycle of the service and the other one is a customer funded job So whenever we have a new service get installed we have to have budgetary placeholder for Doing the installation of that new service and then the customer Reimburses the city for the cost of that new so I was looking for the funding in the first one as part of Councilmember Fick Sanders' question because we discussed there was money when a meter goes dead, let's say, and we replace it, we replace it with the new meter. And so that was the money that I was looking for. And we can use that for that replacement in conjunction with the AMI program. Okay, got it. Okay, thank you. Councilmember Ford. Thank you. I just wanted to comment quickly on one thing, Claude, you mentioned a second ago. I think it, maybe, let me make sure I understood you correctly. We're hoping that Spar is like a thing that we do for a while and then we don't have to do again, is that what I was? Yes, because the intention of SPAR is to advance programs that we had already been planning to do. So, John's team, Marshall's team, Bridges' team, we've looked at our CIP programs over a 20-year period and we plan things out. Many of those were resilience programs. But after last year's storms and hearing from our citizens and going through them ourselves we realized that some of those projects that were maybe out in year 15 we didn't want to wait 15 years to do it. So Spar is a concept as a program to try to figure out how can we do these things that we'd already planned pretty much to do but rather than waiting 15 years to do it how can we do it in five years? Okay, I appreciate that. So it sounded like the framing, that makes sense, but it sounded like you were saying like some of the operational capacity might not be ongoing once we were to accelerate those projects. Right, and so over a 20-year period, let's say over a 20-year period, we would have normally done 100 projects a year. Now we're trying in that first five-year period to do 200, 300 projects a year during that first five-year period. But eventually, you hopefully go back down to doing 100 projects per year. And so it's kind of like trying to do everything really quickly in a short period of time. So, okay, I had it understood. I was just gonna say like, we probably should consider some like operational improvements that are lasting and ongoing because I don't see our infrastructure needs being like a level amount. Like our resiliency and infrastructure needs are not about to be level after we do a lot of investment. The status of our world and our environment's just getting worse and it doesn't seem to have any turnaround coming anytime soon. And so I just want that to be in the back of y'all's mind. It's like maybe we do plan for it to be like a one-time thing where we do a big burst and we get us into a much better position. But having something left over as far as like operational ability to do something like that again, I think is probably something worthwhile. Keeping that in mind is worthwhile going forward because I am not optimistic about the future of the weather and sea level and in our city. It's not looking good right now. Yeah, and just to be clear, maybe it is clear, but I think Claude was referring to the construction management side, not the operations side of Water Resources. Yeah, sorry. And I was saying operational, but yeah, construction management, just anything that might be left over, like any ideas to how we can still maintain just a little something so we can have flexibility in the future. I think it's going to end up being necessary at this point, unless something drastic changes. Just keep it in mind. No, so we certainly will. Yeah, I know you don't. And it's interesting. All these conversations keep going back to the A and Sparrow is a agile. Yeah, we're trying to figure this out as we go. And I recognize that right now we're thinking it could be a five, seven year program. Two or three years from now, we might see it differently. As we gain more experience under it, and we have a better understanding of what needs to be done. Yeah. And I assumed you would understand where I was coming from when I said all of that, but I wanted to make sure it was explicit because the way you framed it was just a little bit different than what I had been thinking, but it makes sense. Yeah, so I'm just advocating for us to continue to be agile this time goes on and also expressing some pessimism just to tell you the truth. I know. Interesting. All right. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. Okay, next up is the Water Resources St. Pete, Agile Resilience Program Fund, 2004 and it starts on page 45. We're just over. Yes. For the current five-year plan, we are showing the two additional funds, the Water Resources and the Stormwater St. Pete Agile Resilience Program Funds. These two funds were created to account for the SPAR projects at each utility as we work on identifying funding sources for the SPAR program. They are temporary placeholders and may not be needed, depending on the program's future funding sources, which could include sunrise, St. Pete, general, obligation bonds, et cetera. As we are currently not showing any revenue in the St. Pete Agile Resilience Program funds, therefore both funds are not showing as balanced FY27 through 30. There are no projects plans in these funds for FY26 as the projects will show, those 26 projects will show in the respective utility capital fund and will be funded through the traditional method of the rate study and debt cash ratio. There are a total of 343.15 million in water resources, our programs, projects rather programmed in FY27 through 30. We should have maybe let you read that. I know. I'm sorry. I jumped. Sorry. New diligence. I hope you have no questions for this. Let's keep moving. We just wanted to find a way to facilitate the special. Got it. It worked. Yes. Next talk on page 47 we have the Stormwater Drainage Capital Projects Fund. The resources for the Stormwater Drainage Capital Projects Fund includes a portion of the city's Stormwater Utility Management fee through the operating fund transfers on proceeds, grants, and earnings on investments. We are at a 5050 cash debt funding for our N FY26 for the Stormwater Capital projects. The FY26 requirements total 52.5 million and include 35% or 18.3 million or stormwater drainage improvement projects, 57% or 30.2 million for stormwater management projects, and 8% or 4 million for city facilities. In FY26, the stormwater drainage CIP project budget amounts can be broken out into the following categories. master plan projects that 2.5 million, resiliency projects that 30.3 million, and same-pedal resilience at $16.4 million. Some of the FY26 projects are again listed in more than one category. An example in this fund would be the 7th Street South and the 118th Avenue South during the improvements project, which is included as both a master plan project and a SPAR project amount above. Of the 52.5 million in stormwater drainage projects, 46.7 million or 89% are associated with one or more of these categories. Would you like me to continue on to the stormwater drainage SPAR before we have it? Please. Thank you. Similar to the water resources spar fund, we are currently not showing any revenue in this fund and there are no projects planned for FY26. Those 26 projects will show in the stormwater drainage capital projects fund. There are a total of 257.96 million in stormwater spire projects planned for FY27 through 30. This fund will not show as balanced as we continue working on identifying the funding sources for these projects. Thank you. Vice Chair Hanowitz. Thank you, Chair. So just explain quickly. We went, that one increased to 52 million. Number was a little lower right in terms of the funding for the stormwater drainage capital projects. And that's based on borrowings, correct? And so for fiscal year 26? Yes. Yes, we're still determining, we're still going through the rate analysis, but the assumption is going into this that that would be the combination, the 50-50 combination of utility rate versus borrowing. Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out. So we have been before like 23 million. Yes, yes. So this is a huge jump. So this clocked me like a baby through how this money magically appears. That's how you know what I mean. It feels like that's me. How much the cost magically appears? Well, just like where it comes from, how to get there. Where is it? You know, it's coming from something else. Maybe it's not getting money. So I just want to understand kind of how we got to 52 million. Okay. If I could, but just, I mean, just, let me just, you know, start out a little bit and I, I know council knows this and I'm preaching to the choir, but you know, if we go back to 2016, and if you look at what the city was investing in wastewater prior to 2016, It would probably be shocked if you, you know, some of you obviously know what it was. And the dramatic increases from 2016 to 2024 and the leadership of Claudin's team and the amount of work with City Council's leadership that's been done. And, you know, one of the things that we all realize, and I know you know this, is with the storm's that we had gotten so far along the line with water. We hadn't done as much on storm water. We hadn't done as much on potable water. So those are really the two areas where now we're sparring a lot of ketchup. As we said before in FY26, we are looking at rates. The rates that propose rates that we bring you, there will be a significant increase in storm water, we'll have a conversation about that. City Council's gonna make those final decisions on what they're comfortable with and the number of projects. And then we look at the other resources from 27 going forward to blend with those rates, to try and soften those increases a little bit. But it's a significant increase in FY26 and it will be reflected when we come to you with the rate. Right, And that's why I want to have that conversation because the number jumps out. And I understand that obviously everybody has is crystal clear on the need for our storm water investments that we need. It's just the issue of how do you fund it? So when I see the 52 million, that's the first thing that I think about. So, Rajesh. Okay, so, you know, adding on to what administration led with is that some of these and it's really important as you notice, you see Spar and Master Plan at the same time. So, what we He did is understanding the impacts from Milton and Helene. But particularly Milton in this situation led towards, and I'm gonna use Basin C as the example, the Lake Macquarie Basin itself, the larger basin, multiple basins drained into that, to tease the drain afterwards. Great option from council to support the poochess of the property north through Consumemodriscal to expand that project. So it went from just a regular palm station for what the design scenario was for a hundred-year storm event to now we're expanding the system and making it bigger because we don't want to have, again, to your point, the environmental impacts. We are seeing more and more frequency of that higher intensity of that rein effect. So yes, while the model was designed for the 100 year, the cost of the project, we've increased the size of the pump station. So that's an example of the project was there, but now we've increased the size of it. Now the 52 here, which was a little bit interesting, because what it also includes, and that is on my part for the submissions on it, it includes the spa projects in the 26 right now sex the 40, in the 40, 40, 13. So again going back to that conversation, what was the real increases in the master plan projects compared to the spa projects? So while the 52 is in context, I agree. Part of that is really the spa. So it was a little bit confusing. And I do apologize for how it was submitted to my spa. No, it's not confusing. I mean, I agree. You know, part of that is really despise. It was a little bit confusing and, you know, I do apologize for how it was submitted to the program. No, it's not confusing. I mean, no, the need is there to be clear. I understand the need is there. When you look at the $1 billion in 20 years and you break that down, we've had that conversation 100 times. It's 50 million a year, but We've only been able to put 23 million a year. And now, right now, here it says 52 million for 2026. And we go back down to the 30-something million dollar range. So I just want to have a clear understanding how that impacts other projects words that coming from who's going to pay for it, and in general, because it looks good. good yeah But for the public to understand as well. Right. So yes, so that is, you know, that larger discussion obviously that is going to happen as far as how the funding on this parliament is going to happen. But there's also that element of, you know, the bond issuance on and trying to stay within that 50-50 Sponing range and when we issue those bonds as well to cover these costs. Okay, well thank you. And really our hope and aim and goal is that as we continue to move forward, we'll be able to continue to advance and accelerate these projects. And so really for stormwater specifically, yes, in fiscal year 26, we have a 52 million under the 4013. But after that in 27, 28 and 29, if you add up 40, 13 and 40, 14, you'll see the total amount that we're wanting to spend on stormwater every year. Yeah, so I do hope nobody thinks that we're proposing to just spend a lot in one year and then go back down to 30. We're proposing. No, but that's the one that's not funded, the 42 million in smart and right. So I get it. I know we want to do a lot. It's just I was gonna be paid for as we're, I'm kind of stuck. But I appreciate that thank you thank you chair thank you councilmember for senator thank you I have a quick question for clarity if you would I think you mentioned on in 413 that the 7th Street and 118th Avenue is covered in another account no it's the same account but it's a master plan project and a SPAR project. So it is, it falls under two categories, but it is funded in this fund, the 43rd fund. OK, and then when you go to the description of it, it doesn't say that. So if you weren't here to explain it. If you look at page 53 at the project on page 53, there are some categories in the left hand margin. I'm looking for the project. Okay. So it shows this is MP and SPAR. I didn't go to F.R. now. I was indicating. Thank you. I didn't go to F.R. enough. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, too. Thank you. Member Driscoll. Thank you. I didn't go down far enough. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Council Member Driscoll. Thank you. So on page 53, the second item on the list is 7th, 3th, 7th, 18th Avenue, so that's close. That's basically where the Salt Creek Palm Station project is. Correct. It's adjacent to the Salt Creek Palm Station. But remember how it's mentioning that once you break that Fort Street section, the greatest drops off drastically. Yes. So there's a location just further down the street that we need to divert flow because right now it does not flow towards where our future well or draw point for the Palm Station is going to be. Is it on the north side of the street or the south side of the street? It's in that general area. So there's a floodplain there. A small water floodplain and it's predominantly on the north side of the street that has flooding. So we need to dive through that flow towards our draw point where we will have the new well location, the drawing location for the pump station. So that's what it's connecting both projects. So ultimately, you'll see that vision as on a stormwater master planning side is we are starting from an endpoint, and we are slowly making all these other connections to it. So instead of having, you know, I've mentioned this in the past, mitigating and limiting the amount of points of risk that we have by focusing on our efforts and diverting fluently to those locations. So we can control how we manage our resources and flu. Okay. And then I thought I would see something about Bartlett Lake in this section. But would it actually be somewhere else in the budget? Bartlett Lake is that is to the pump. Yeah. So the. Some page. Yeah. It's the third one down. Bartlett Lake Salt Creek pump station. Right, but I was thinking about the lake itself. But that's already previously funded. Lake it was previously a funded pump station. So no, we have we have a few projects. So we have bottom lake. Yeah Yeah. So bought the lake is already part of it. I was reading it different. Like you were just talking about describing just the pump station as Bartlett Lake slash Salt Creek. But now what I'm hearing is it's Bartlett Lake and Salt Creek pump station. The two separate projects. So we have the bought the lake, the dredging, and the cleaning that. And we do have grant funding to match that as well. Then we have the pump station which we move from the south side of the bought a lake area to the north side of Fort Street and 18th. And you only need to use one project because the first project is already appropriated. So it's appropriatedated in a prior year so you're not seeing it here. You're just seeing the second project. And I will be glad to see. I'll be glad to sit down with you. We'll talk about that after we get it. But you would see the other project that bypassed for Lake McGory here. So we did add that in. All right right I can't wait to learn more yeah we'll sit down yes bring your whiteboard thank you chair thank you council member galley thank you chair two very specific district two questions the first one page 53 on the Barkley Estates neighborhood stormwater improvements mars, I think that is that under you. I see that that is not estimated until FY2028, but I was curious. So a project like that, I mean, very clearly, the homes that flooded in that particular neighborhood flooded right around the storm drains those are the homes that flooded and so I'm curious if you know it's such a small smaller dollar amount in the grand scheme of things if projects like that where they where we know there's like kind of hot spots if you will can those things not be looked at either to escalate or move into the spar section because I don't see it listed over here. I see some redundancy of projects but I don't see one like that and it's a relatively, I mean for a stormwater project it's a relatively low-ask so I'm just curious to me just because I mean that's my neighborhood. I know it well. I know those homes that flooded are directly next to those storm drains because the water came up through the storm drains. And so I would think that we could escalate those, I would call them like a hotspot project. If I may, so this one here is the master plan project, so this is to start the design for construction of the future year. I think we can get together with the operations and see if there are these hotspots, if there's some operational improvements. We could do now, as opposed to, because again, this is just a design for the larger project. Got it. Yeah, so the MP is the master plan. So we'll definitely follow up with operations. And if there's any feedback, we could sit down. If you know the lots of spots, we'll definitely sit down and take you know me. I'll cover my whiteboard. Perfect. And then second question, Bridget. Oh, yes, yes, sir. I'll just add to that. We are working on engineering, but we are looking citywide to see where localized project can happen. You'll see it wasn't in part of the CIP. Yeah. So we provided our proposals. Our ass didn't come into afterward. But we have identified several areas within the city that it's like intersection as flooded or other as possible. if we could do a little project, we could survive the benefit. Yeah, I mean, I've seen where the crews have been out in the neighborhood. You see where they've marked the road. You can tell that things are happening, but from a budgetary standpoint, we don't really, I think, always know how those things are happening or how we need to prioritize them in our funding. Yes, and we will be able to guide that. As far as asked for your approval, we are also going to be developing a sign that says this was a SPAR project. So people know this was actually part of this program, too. OK, how much your sign's going to cost? I don't want no fluff here. I want to spending money on projects. We do it in house. Okay. All right. It's not very much. Okay. Yeah. It probably the same as people's homes not flooding is enough to to our own horns. I'm just saying. So that is so what Marshall mentioned, the individual project list would not, did not make it in, but that is showing up on page 53. You would see spa, mitigation, adaptation for resilience infrastructure. That is what our operational department will be implementing on localized improvements at different locations. Okay. So then my second question, District 2 specific, is Riviera Bay? You know, we're talking about a lot of projects. We're talking about a lot of need there, all 1200 homes flooded to some extent. And one of the things that we're talking about is is dredging and so I don't, I mean, I don't know if that storm water, I don't know like where that would fall in. But certainly, you know, those canals, we know need to be dredged. We're working to try to work with the Army Corps to figure that out. But at some point, like we need to put money somewhere to think about doing that. It's going to be an expensive project. So where is that founded here? So at the time, when we submitted this, this is obviously, you know, engineering managers, the CIP. So what the time when we submitted that project was not officially on our radar. So I will tell you though that we are carrying forward. this is the uncertainty so we carry forward and I'm trying to find that line right now. We do have a line item for where we carry projects out for development in future years. So that is something that as we evaluate projects kind of similar how we do the bridge program where we As I need to find it I did dock from there in a future year So I always have my bottom line stay inconsistent, but you know Yeah, and I think it would just be helpful as I'm having these conversations in The neighborhoods of my district maybe other council members feel same way. If you guys could kind of arm us with that information of like, okay, this is where that funding would lie because if I'm a resident of Riviera Bay and I'm looking through this budget, looking for projects that say my neighborhood, I'm not seeing it. We know that it's buried in the details, but I think things like that are very helpful to us so that we can say no. Just because it doesn't say Riviera Bay does not mean that we do not have funding for your projects. Because quite frankly, I don't like to put one neighborhood against the other, but Shore-Rakers has mentioned a whole lot in here, but Riv Rivera Bay is not. And so I need your guidance in trying to help my residents understand that we are funding improvements for their neighborhood. Okay. So I appreciate that comment and generally absolutely understand it, but just want to make sure we're clear. We would like to follow up with you in our one-on-one conversations. We are trying very hard to be creative in looking at this dredging situation because it was hurricane-related. As I'm sure, you know, typically dredging goes through an assessment process, you know. So we're really working on it, to be honest with you. I don't think we're sitting here today with a solution on paint. So let's continue that conversation together and see where we can get. I look forward to it. Thank you. Thank you. I wanted to echo that some of your comments a little bit. Just in that, like I really appreciate a lot of these projects and I'm very grateful that we've been able to get them in here. But I was looking for maybe a little bit of advice from the administration like about there's not a lot of detail in here for each project. Like how do I communicate the projects and I guess should I just reach out to you all and get more information or what can we do to communicate them a little bit better because there are some that I think will be really important to people in my district and it doesn't really say what exactly is going on in the budget. So I just wanted to put that out there. Yeah, I think that's a great point and projesh, can we work together and maybe we could do a project description by district with that work by council district. I mean, so if this is and give a little more narrative and scope. Yeah, I think what we are trying to do right now is to throw it out there for context is we are building an SPIS view with all the CIP projects in it. So you could toggle districts, or an or. But maybe we can do a written narrative prior to that, just to give the council members a little more detail. Yeah, we can do that, do so. I mean, if what details, if you don't mind, just give me a list of like, so I'll know, I mean, what we think in like a project. Mostly on the stormwater side, right? just kind of scope of work and what it would do, locations. Yeah, and so the GIS tool, I share the city's GIS tools all the time. I think people really appreciate that. So just knowing that something like that's coming. But I'll give you an example, just any of these storm water projects, if you pull them up, I just read the Lake Emerald one. And it's just, there's this kind of thing is happening. There's just not a detail of what exactly is happening, what the outcomes we hope to see will be so what we were planning to do is actually doing a project fact sheet for each stormwater project yeah that's how for it you could click it it opens up that PDF of that project fact sheet that sounds great yeah that that's exactly the kind of thing I'm advocating for. I mean, districts are great as well, but I think being able to just direct people to this is where the information is will be super helpful, because if they're looking at the budget documents, it's just not. No, I get it. I mean, I love data. I love the S. But the thing is when you click on a table You don't want that table to be this long. I mean having a fact sheet that I could download now and flip and flip back and forth on It's great and you're saying that would be like on a GIS system. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds that sounds great. That's really all I needed So what I'll do is I'll send out a template and get feedback because I don't want to draft it with my intention of what I think is going to be at a fact sheet but I could send a blank tempered okay these are what we'll out the template and get feedback because I don't want to draft it with my intention of what I think is going to be out of fact sheet. But I could send a blank template, okay, these are what we'll fill. This is the information we'll fill out of the context and look for feedback. I will say also is that like some of the GIS maps that your departments made, particularly like floodplain have been some of the most popular things I've shared with residents of the city. So I appreciate that. I'm glad to hear that that's the director. What's the call? Could I add something real quick to? You're like floodplain have been some of the most popular things I've shared with residents of the city So I appreciate that I'm glad to hear that that's the direction Could I could I add something real quick to this? Yeah, I'm finished Okay, it was just for what they were asking for I was just gonna say in terms of the map. I'm I'm a little nervous about doing it by district because your criteria isn't based on district, your criteria. I'm just going to say in terms of the map, I'm a little nervous about doing it by district because your criteria isn't based on district. Your criteria is based on need and whatever other. Yeah. And the floodplain. And the floodplain. And so it's a more of a citywide thing. So I just want to throw that out for you all because you mentioned that you wanted it. And I think maybe there should be some information in terms of what the criteria is when you pick projects so people understand that it's not really a district thing, it's a city wide thing. It's a level of service. We don't. That's all. Thank you, Councilmember Givens. Sure. Councilmember Givens. Thank you, Chair, I appreciate it. So I know initially we had discussed aquafenses being funded through the brick program. And I know that's now scrapped. So I just wanted to know where we considering possibly budgeting for any of those. We're still in the analysis phase of where we could use aquifinces. The one that we've already purchased, which by the way, we understand has been delivered to the United States. We just don't know which port it's in right now. But the... Not on GIA? No, it's not on GIA. Yeah, sorry. That one was easy because we knew exactly that we... It was ready to go and we could put one in. We're working through the process now determining where we can put other ones. As we had mentioned before, the beauty of the aquifence is that it's easy to set up and it's, and they're very strong and powerful. The challenge with an aquifence is that it needs a nice, flat, concrete surface to go on. And we don't have that everywhere. And so we're trying to determine that and it also needs some space because if you have an aquifinst this 9 feet high it's also going to have a leg 9 feet long that way. We need a lot of space to put one in and some of the areas we don't have that much space to put it in. So we're still going through that analysis. I appreciate that clapping for that teacher. Thank you. Okay. We will move on to the sanitation fund, capital projects fund, page 57. Past resources in the sanitation capital projects fund have included bond proceeds transfer from the sanitation operating fund and earnings on investments. There are two projects planned for FY26, the fleet lift for sanitation trap project at 175,000 and a yard fencing project at 207,000. There is sufficient fund balance in the capital fund to fund these projects, so no transfer is needed from the operating fund in FY26. And we do have a picture of the new sanitation administration building that was funded from this fund. Any questions here? Any questions on sanitation council members? All right. All right. We'll move on to the airport capital projects fund on page 59 of the workbook. Typical resources for the airport capital projects. Fund includes grants transfers from airport operating and earning contact for FY26 estimated revenues total. Bless you. 129,000 and include 119,000 in revenue from FAA grants and 11,000 from FUT grants. There's one project plan for FY 26, 132,000, and that's the Taxiway A rehab project. Any questions on the airport? By sure, Hannah. Thank you, Chair. I feel like I need to ask something to councilman over the mountain areas in here. Oh, somebody needs that, something on the airport. So I guess it's watching. It's probably driving. I was just wondering and because the airport had damaged from the storm, with these capital projects, do we have in terms of the ones that are due for because of her working. Are there some in here at all? Not reflecting in here. Okay. It would be on that report that we gave to Councilor. Right. January, whenever all the rolled up or detailed information, but Rich is here to talk about some of the things that are underway. Yeah, that would be great. Yeah, so for Councilmember Montenegri that's watching. Ironically he was elected the chairman of the Advanced Air Mobility Task Force. There's a bit. There you go. Surprise. He can't paint it. So specific to the storm damage items was really three major types. There's the hanger damage we had. There's kind of what we'll call seawall erosion infrastructure and then there's like the airfield lighting. So, we do expect that between FEMA and insurance, there will be things that will be made available. We just don't know timing yet how much. And so, I think we're kind of still waiting on that before we can make some timing determinations on like replacement. Great. Great. Thank you. Thank you chair. Thank you Councillor Irrigisco. Thank you. Today is former Council Member Montenegro's birthday. Oh that's I hope he's not watching a meeting. Yeah so So, um... I don't know the boat. It didn't just... We were one. I was working on it. Yeah. So I hope that on the boat. In addition to the repairs that are needed and the replacements that are needed, this damage actually gives us the opportunity to do a bit of build back better. And so I'm hoping that we have some room to adjust and put some funding in if needed in order to do that. We need those hangers to replace fast. I mean you already had a wait list and now there are other projects as well. So there's that. But we've got a few projects on here. Only one is going to be funded for the next year. We get what 80 to 90% of our funding through FDOT and FAA grants. Right. The timeline, you know, over the next few years of this, is that lining up with airport master plan and grant cycles and all of that? Is this the way we need it to be? So yeah, so I mean generally the CIP program is based on the CIP program that was developed out of the airport master plan. And as you just said, it's mostly the resources as FAA, Florida, DOT, largely. But of course, it's a year-to-year thing, depending on the AIP program or the state. And so, we've got the schedule at, it doesn't mean the grants are necessary, always gonna be available or the projects are gonna be selected. So, what we tend to do each year is, look at the work program we have with the FAA and FDOT, and we generally make adjustments to that timeline on a year-to-year basis. And certainly other projects can come to light that maybe work contemplated the master plan as well. Mm-hmm. Okay. I just want to make sure we're on track because it's tricky. You know, we've got a lot of expensive projects we want to do, a lot of great funding that can come in. And you have to make sure that it lines up with timing and with what we're physically able to do as well. Hi Brian. Hello Council Member. Thank you very much for some of these questions. Just want to share that we're also exploring public private partnerships. So when we talk about building back better we're having conversations with Shelter. We've had it. We've received a proposal from friends of Albert Wittit. I know they've talked to many council members. So we are exploring other ways outside of just the traditional grant funding in order to make airport improvements not only to get us back to where we were before the storms, but also for the future. And I know as we learn more about the Innovation District Master Plan that that kind of feeds into this as well and how what opportunities might we identify through that as we look at enhancing what we're already planning to do at the airport. So good. I'm glad this is good. We need Mr. Lesniak to be happy. and, and all of our airport friends. So, I'm glad that this is lined up the way that it needs to be. I appreciate that. And I appreciate the administration's support for the airport. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. Brian, thanks for that update. I'm glad to see that we're exploring kind of outside the box options when it comes to the air or at least historically outside the box. So thanks for that update. Thank you. All right, let's keep moving. Next up is the Marina on page 62 of the workbook. Typical resources in the Marina Capital Improvements Fund includes transfers from the Marina operating fund and earnings on investment. The total revenue for FY26 is 26.01 million and includes 11,000 in earnings on investments and 26 million in bond proceeds. There are three projects planned in FY25. Oops, 26. Marina facility improvements, 200,000. Marina rebuild central and south-yout basin at 26 million in north basin development at 150,000. The current FY26 five-year CIP plan for this fund contemplates the city maintaining operations in the Marina. The plan will be updated if that changes. Any questions on marina? I've been feeling I'm not gonna have to ask the question. Council member Driscoll. I don't have to ask the question. Thank you council member. Yes, go on. We are continuing to have discussions related to the marina redevelopment. Right now as council is aware, Safe Harbor was acquired by Black Rock, and so they are taking a look. Black stone, just here. Black stone, thank you. I know it was black and something hard, but thank you. Just about the same. So we are having conversations with them. We have provided a draft agreement to their attorneys and we are waiting now a red line. This $26 million is if for some reason that changes and save Harper's ability to move forward with this project cannot continue than this does allow us to take the next step in terms of actually self-performing the marine redevelopment. We are, you know, hopefully it does not come to that. We feel very confident with Safe Harbor and the proposal that was submitted to us, but given the uncertainties of their own internal structures, and the fact that we have not received a response in the last couple of months, we are just preparing for all possibilities at this point. Would you repeat that? No response. So thank you. This is quite the update. And I really appreciate it. I got to this page and I was like, tell me we don't have a deal with that. I'm glad that we are making the preparations to, you know, go to maintain the Marina just solely under the city. And it sounds like, it sounds like that is a more realistic outlook than I thought. So, hearing that it's been sometimes since there's been a conversation at what point do we say, okay, we're going to pull up our anchor and sail away on our own. We are having those conversations with the administration as we currently speak. We, Mr. Worth has been in contact with Safe Harbor, I believe, is there really this morning or yesterday? So to kind of put some reassurances out there, they haven't like cut ties and not responded to us. So we sent them our draft agreement, I think on Valentine's Day, put a nice little heart on it and sent it off to them. Unfortunately, like 10 days later is when the announcements came out that they were doing their whole restructure and kind of new ownership, right? They sold. And so obviously there's been a lot behind the scenes on their side that they're working through on deals not just Armourina, but through their whole parent funding corporation or structure. And so the VP that we've been in touch with, his name is Jason, I've been in communications with kind of where are we on the updates and everything else. As of this morning, the latest update I have is they will have their list of kind of red line version back to us next week. They were pushing their attorneys to get it to us tomorrow, but more realistically, it will be next week. At which point, administration, we will all sit down and review it and then go back into the negotiations on the deal with Safe Harbor. Again, this line item in the budget is more realistic, just in case that does not go through, or in case, once we bring it to council council, is not satisfied with the deal structure. We have to be prepared for the next steps quickly as the marina is still at the end of most of its usual service life in the docs as we've seen. So we want to make sure that we are teed up on both sides ready to go. That's great. That is music to my ears because this is sounding more and more like, well, I'm very interested to see what the deal is if you all get to that point. It doesn't sound like there are any deadlines that have been set up. It's still just kind of going back and forth. This has been going on for quite a while. There is this new wrinkle and things. So you're saying that next week, we're supposed to have a red line. Correct, that is what I'm told us this morning. Yes. We have a city council meeting a week from today. Do you think that you, you, whoever's appropriate, could send an email to city council when we do receive that? Absolutely. I don't need to see the agreement because when you're going back and forth I- Most of us have been through a process where we had to read a lot of versions of something and I would just rather wait. I would like to know if they sent it. And if I haven't heard from anyone, from you guys by the City Council meeting, I will bring it up during the meeting to get to ask that in public. But if you all could please let us know. Absolutely. So one week from today is a Thursday. Sure. It's close enough to the end of the week that I think we should have something to write in. And I really would like to close this out one way or another. And the longer it takes, the more critical I'm going to be of what I read. And so I hope they are listening to this meeting. Thank you, thank you, Chair. Thank you, Council Member Gabber. Thank you, Chair. So when I got to this part of the presentation, in my review, I kind of stopped at my tracks because I've been very clear. I have no intention on us spending multi-million of dollars for the city to redevelop the marina. We have spent almost three hours talking about all the needs that we have for our city. And I have always been in favor of there being a private developer. So I am going to hope and pray that we can come up with some sort of agreement. Otherwise, we're going to have to go back to the drawing board again as far as I'm concerned, because I do not see a world in which at this point in time I am willing to spend $26 million on just the marina when the needs for this city are so great across the entire city. And I've been very clear about that. I don't think that is a surprise to anyone, but I wanted to reiterate that when I saw this slide I was quite frankly shocked because we've been kind of waiting on an update. I haven't really heard much and I would have thought that maybe we would have even had like a touch base one-on-one with all of council about this before we got to this point. I didn't really feel like I would reach out. I figured I would just wait and see what happened here today. So I'm very glad that we're having this conversation. I certainly respect, you know, I mean, Councilmember Driscoll, this is in your district. I certainly respect you advocating for us to redo the marina one way or the other. But I have to advocate for my district and other parts of the city as well. And 26 million in this budget, I find to be frankly irresponsible. So I'll leave it there, Chair. I'll come to you. Oh. district and other parts of the city as well and 26 million in this budget I find to be frankly irresponsible so I'll leave it there chair. I'm sorry I'm sorry just if I may you know I certainly appreciate that I've been in this role for about a month so I'm still trying to just understand everything but I am more than happy to sit down with anyone and kind of walk through the status updates of where we are on this project or anything else is part of enterprise facility. So I just wanted to put that out there that yes, I completely understand and am more than happy to meet with you at any point to kind of walk through it in greater detail. All right, and we always have great conversation. I always appreciate your transparency. So thank you. Thank you. Bust your hand. Thank you. So yeah, I would like to understand first of all the impact of Blackstone actually taking over safe harbor and what that means because they're an equity investor. Right. I mean, it's not the same. So I'd be interested to see how that kind of changes the equation as to the marine and the investment and the marine at look. It's in part of the downtown tip. So that is a big conversation that we need to figure out because there are lots of other things that we I look I don't bow I don't golf I don't fly airplanes but I know there are different needs in the city of of what people do and so there are different investments that we make and a a lot of times the marinas should pay for themselves. There's a reason why companies are part of wanting them. So I'd be interested to have a bigger conversation as to how that fit, part fits into what we're going to do in terms of the CRA because there are needs. Not just that, we have the municipal services center and all that, and that's part of the downtown. And there is funding in the downtown. There's $83 million that obviously is there. There's money set aside, obviously, for infrastructure needs for the gas plant. But from now to 2032, there's going to be projected. This is based on the old projections, about $200 million going in. That stays in that area. And there are investments that need to be made there, and we have to figure out how those investments are going to happen. And so that would be part of the conversation we're having. So thank you for the update. I also was shocked like everyone else when I saw it on here without hearing the update we got today. It's a big end to reiterate. I mean the timing is unfortunate. We were planning to have not only one on one's but a actual agreement to counsel well before this point. I mean, I we were planning December and then then it got January, February, and obviously then the Blackstone issue. So it's an unfortunate amount of timing, but yes. And again, reassurance is what is the language that's been used even in the back-and-force conversations with Safe Harbor. There hasn't ever been any issues or problems. It's been discussing the timing and the mechanics of the draft agreement we've sent. So we are still confident that we will reach a deal with Safe Harbor. And that takes even more of that burden of us having the fun of greeno out of that equation. OK. OK. Well, thank you. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. Council Member Floyd. Thank you. I guess we'll talk. I'll talk about the brain, I guess. Okay, so being told that they were acquired by this private equity firm that has a horrible reputation is the truth. Like, it took me two seconds to Google them and find like allegations of child slave labor so Don't like that and I was already like you know I've been giving the administration like breath to like hear them out because this has been a tricky conversation for all of us But I'm immediately like taking a back and like worried about who we're partnering with now when I hear something like that. And so I wanted to put that on the record like, you know, I already was struggling and now you just created a bigger hurdle for me to get through. And then also to council member Gabbard's point like the expenditure, like the mar marina correct me if I'm wrong like it's generally been a profitable endeavor like we've been transferring money out of it now I looking back as not not a good idea none of our faults here but it does show that the marina can be a profitable endeavor so I'm not gonna necessarily view it as like we're gonna expend $26 million and there will be returns on investment here. Whether or not we make it 100% like make it to where we're getting more back than we put in, that's a decision for us to make, but I'm a big fan of us doing revenue generating things in the city and looking at them slightly differently. And so I'm going to continue to look at it that way and not worry too much as long as we make a plan to move forward and make sure it is revenue generating. So anyway, thank you for the update. Lots to chew on, but I'm still quite optimistic. And I think we can come up with something. And I'd love to sit down and talk about it anytime as well so we can make it happen soon. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. Council Member Driscoll. Thank you. And you're right. It is the timing of this. And I'm glad the vice-chair here was pointed out that this is an enterprise facility and that the Marina generates revenue, in fact. That's how we get to this number. That's how we figure out the repairs that can be made and all of that. So it's not that this money is taking away from anything else. It's not that it is an investment that we don't normally make. It's not that it is, you know, an investment that we don't, you know, normally make. It's just that right now with this timing, we do not have another solution. We don't have a deal. So we need to move forward the way that things are and the way that things have traditionally been. So the Marine had the projected resources, resources are 26 million, 11,000. That's just in the capital part. So that you're looking at the operating resources that would fund that debt, they would be in the operating fund. It would transfer into cover to cover those costs. Exactly. And with that, you're showing that the difference is $339,000. One of the reasons that it's been such a debate should the city operate it or use the third party is because it generates revenue because it can pay for itself. We just want it to be better because it's falling apart. So I think it's responsible for us to put this in now. And it is a need. We have around a hundred people, well before the storms, we had around a hundred people who lived there. The boat is their home. So I don't. So I'll always think about that when I hear folks out there who refer to it as something that's just a plaything for people who own boats. It's a lot more than that. So I appreciate all that you guys are doing to get this into a place where you can bring it to council. You can see that we all have a lot of feelings about it, and it does trouble me greatly that we are at this point, and I tell you, the longer it takes, the less comfortable I am. So I look forward to hearing an update from you on this, and finding a way to bring it home sooner than later. Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember McSanderson, do you have something? I did. And thank you for that. From the initial conversations in regards to the marina, I never was, well Brian, you and I have spoken. And so I have never been in advocate for the city managing the marina. I was always, you know, private management on that. But I do understand that we were having issues getting qualified businesses to want to operate the marina. Do you think in the process between now and soon, sooner than later, that we would have a plan in place to actually solicit other offers because the blackstone doesn't seem to, well first of all I told you we voted on safety harbor. We didn't vote on blackstone. So I wouldn't approve Blackstone. So how would that work? We revoked vote on Blackstone. So I wouldn't approve Blackstone. So how would that work? We revoked it on one RFP proposal, only for them to sell it to someone else. So council member, I mean, I think we've gotten a lot of great feedback today and I'm sorry we didn't get an opportunity to brief everyone in advance, but actually in a way having some of this discussion in public with everybody today has been very helpful and your feelings around this acquisition. So what I would say is let us regroup, let us have someone on ones and let us get back to you on what a future process might be. Okay, and so I just wanted to make sure that I was clear on that that acquisition, selling whatever the terminology that we're using when we get our 101's I know I was really versed with what having the conversation with Brian, but I was really more clear that I wanted someone other than blackstone. So I just wanted to make sure that that was out there and recorded that I stated that in another one on one and these regards. Thank you. Thank you. Any other council members? I mean, I know I've shared this already. You know, I certainly have a concern about the acquisition of Safe Harbor. I think I've shared this with Administrator Gertis, North Lester, Mutual, and even Hold Blackstone. So that tells me something right there. And frankly, I've communicated that to Safe Harbor. And so, but I also, if we get a deal, I do think the devil is in the details, to vice share Hannah Woods' points, is that, you know, certainly we want to look at a contract. So I'm not going to just blank it, blank it, say we shouldn't do that, but I certainly have concerns and have shared those. I will say that at this point, if we were to not move forward with Blackstone, I would be open to this as a one-year plan to get it moving. But I think we all know that this is not a $26 million project. This is an $85 million, $110 million project. And so I don't want to take that on. We just talked about capacity with SPAR. And now we're talking about adding this. And so if it were design, the beginning of it, I think I could get in line with that. It's going to take something to get me over the hump. But I am still a proponent and have been a proponent since the very beginning of having this be a PPP. And so I think it just works better that way. I certainly respect my colleagues' opinions who disagree with that. But it's a big lift for us to take on when we're trying to take on a whole bunch of other stuff. And so that's kind of where I'm at at this point. I know I've shared that with administration already, but I figured I'd share it with my colleagues while we were all here. Okay, let's keep moving. All right, to round out the things that the vice chair doesn't do, we'll move on to the golf course. It's fun. Two things that I do, you think that you don't do. Sorry, that's why we're here. I'm paying. I support golf courses, though. So I appreciate it. On page 64, we've got resources to golf courses. They're good walking. Capital Projects Fund of 185,000 and FY26. And this includes a transfer from the golf course operating fund of 180,000 and FY26. And this includes a transfer from the golf course operating fund of 180,000 and earnings on investment of 5,000. There are two projects planned for FY26 that total 180,000. We have the Mangrove Bay on course restrooms and shelter renovations projects at 100,000 and the Twin Brooks Golf Course Pump Station project at 80,000. Council members, any questions? I'm going to say it during the operating budget too. I just continually impressed by our golf courses and how they operate and just very thankful for everybody that's a part of them. So thank you. Let's keep going. And the next one is the port on page 66. There are no projects for the port. CIP Fund and FY26 resources to fund projects in this fund include transfers from the port operating fund grants and earnings on investments. And this is not the part where our office go for it. That gets me a little bit more dress goal. Oh. Oh. Thank you. No projects funded at the port. But there's one that's unfunded. Oh, hi. I just saw here. Welcome back. Oh, we're all for is security fencing for the port lot. And we can't even get that. So and it's $150,000 for the whole thing. Instead, it's like divided in half. And why is this so hard? So if I may, right now with the revenue generation that we have at the port right now, I mean, it's fairly covering enough to break even. Sometimes we have subsidy, sometimes we don't have subsidy. We try to eliminate the subsidy completely and obviously be as profitable as an enterprise fund as possible, like on the marine side, which we could take care of all of our capital expenses. So we've been offered kind of opportunity hunting on which grants to kind of pursue right now with limited match funds that we have from the Port Revenue. We've got the master plan project underway this year and we're planning to conclude the master plan at the end, probably calendar end of this year. So December, we will have a new master plan for the Port-specific Port Master Plan. We haven't had a Port-specificspecific master plan since 1999. So we're way behind on that. Now, obviously, we've had downtown water from master plan, the Innovation District Master Plan, encompasses part of the port. So all good things coming, but the Port-specific one, we look forward to bringing to council and have some kind of avenues to look at? So we've, to be perfectly honest, at the past decade with the port that I've been part of it, we've tried all sorts of different things to just see what's gonna work the best. We've got power centers for large yachts. We've had research vessels. We've obviously got the land leases. We've got USF and one of the buildings, and the animation district and the other. I don't have to tell you you're all familiar, but cruise ships now, the ferry operations, so we've kind of tried to see where we fall and what we can do the best. The cruise ships are starting to really take off. The ferry operation was great while it is still going. And there's some calls obviously since we've seen the Salt Creek maintenance yards kind of go out. Yeah. But there's some calls for what we call MRO, maintenance and rehab and operations. So can we bring some of that incorporated into the board? That's where our master plan is going to identify by the end of the year. From the master plan, then we obviously attack those revenue streams and really aggressively and try and bring in as much revenue from those areas as possible. While still going after the strategic grants and stuff. So I put it in the projects like last year I think it was a roof replacement which we are doing this year. Security fencing is still sound. It's there but I put it in just to kind of again if we had the money we can do it. If not there is a security grant window that opens every year. It's like a 75-25 match we can apply for that. for the ports counsel through F-STED and F-D-O-T. And so we can go that route if and when we want to do that. Now again, the security fencing, the footprint for it, may change completely if we decide to switch the way we operate you know, certain lots at the port. So there's nothing set in stone that we need the security fencing right now. That's why I was okay and obviously we were okay going unfunded at this point. But moving forward, there will be some future projects that will be more important that we will bring out and we will request one before. Okay. I know that there is an issue with the security fencing at the hub. And I know that that's. Port adjacent. It's part of port proper. Yes, exactly. But I don't think your money would cover that. That comes more out of Brian's, well, the CDA. So part of it does, in the way that the agreement with the innovation district for the hub building was kind of set up, is there is a portion of funding that they submit every year that we are reimbursed them for building improvements. And that comes out of port operating. And so the years where they have those requests, I think it was capped at $250,000 over the life of the agreement five year term. To date, I think she, I say, she, Allison at the Innovation District has requested somewhere about half, maybe 60% of that. So we still have close to $100,000 that over the next, I think, two to three years, we can reverse on certain things that she would need over there. OK. And this fence is different. It's the one that's actually at the work board. Yes. Or building. Yes. Have you thought about charging Evan for having the cross-bafery over there so that he can pay for it. Believe me, I have. I have to. I want my head to go. I have to go. I just want my head to go. Well, I was going to say it could motivate him to find the temporary time so we can get it in the right spot when it does come back because it will. But thank you for that. I just wanted to make sure we're not letting something go that doesn't cost a lot. And I know it's important to have that security fencing. So if we're good for right now, then I am too. We are. Yes, we are. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Any other council member? I'm glad you brought up MRO and salt Creek It's it's my understanding and I certainly could be wrong is that salt Creek really is the is the last South County haul out Yeah, really there's I mean for especially for certain size boats. Yeah, start getting into bigger boats It's tarp and springs and yeah, it's all North and so I mean is that I'm Why we're on it is there an opportunity there to, one, help with the capacity because Saul Creek can't do it all in South County? And to create a revenue generator for the port? Yeah, I think so. You know, we're kind of uniquely positioned with our port that location wise, yes, depth wise. That's what we need to start looking at our consultants we're looking into for when you're talking dry dock and haul out facilities. You need the land side, plus you need the water side. We have kind of a combination of both, but it's going to take some reconfiguration in the way we think about how we use the port right now. Because the way I see it is that everything really south of and I'm talking on the golf side Everything south use the port right now. Because the way I see it is that everything really south of, and I'm talking on the Gulf side, everything south of like Indian Springs is closer to Salt Creek and the port than they are to the closest north for a haul out, on a large vessel. And so it just seems to me if you've got essentially everything north of the bay because there's nothing north, right? I mean there's nothing that way except vessels and homes. If you've gotten everything north of the port and Salt Creek on the Bay side and then you've got everything south of Indian Springs around Pinellas Point. a whole lot of vessels that really only have one place to go right now. And so if there's an opportunity to look at that, I really think we should. I mean, I think not only for revenue for the port, but our residents need it. I mean, it's a need. It's not just an opportunity for us. It's something that, and you're seeing what's happening without the hallhouses, people are just leaving their boats and they're sinking. Yeah, it's going to definitely increase that, either. So we've heard it on the marine side of things, too, from the operational level. I'm sure we're going to hear it next week one were with the voting community at the Echelhoff. I'll be at that meeting. And so I'm glad we're going to hear it next week when we're with the voting community at the Euclub. I'll be at that meeting. And so I'm glad we're looking at it. Let's continue to look at it. That's something we can take advantage of by also helping our residents. I think we should be jumping at that. Absolutely. All right. Thank you. Okay. Let's keep going. All right. in our final section. we have our other funds categories. The first other fund is our bicycle pedestrian safety improvement fund, which begins on page 69. And as of FY26, there are no projects planned in the bicycle pedestrian grant fund in FY26. Council member Floyd. Thank you. I won't even say it. I know Evan you know okay so no projects is first I'll start there. This is we don't have any grants pending we don't anticipate any grants what's what's what's the word? It's it's really a matter of timing we have a lot of grants we've already received that are in the design phase and then we have future years for construction. Quite honestly we also have a funding gap on some things that we're still trying to figure out for the outer years. So I think we're in a little bit of a lull just with the administration change and we have some question marks on funding. You know, we're successful in getting grants lined up every year, they just don't fall every year. Okay, so then that leads me to things that I ask you all the time when we meet, but I'll ask now for the benefit of the group. you know one know, one thing I've been very keenly interested is, it's on the list here. It looks like FDOT 28th Street for 7 New North, 13th Avenue North. Last year we put more funding in so that we could get it across the finish line. What's the latest status like construction was supposed to happen during this fiscal year? And I't know what haven't been over there recently. I actually know I was there for you the other day And there wasn't anything going on Yeah, we're you know, those are not coming along quite as as quickly as we'd like and and cost of gone So we're still working on on those and would like to them come through. Don't have a great update for you right now, but we'll keep working on it. Every year we talk with budget about this and it's really tough with getting the funding in the sixth year and then having them not cover everything. So we're always looking to try to, you know, close those gaps. Yeah, we did add funding last year to try to close the gap on that project. So I mean, I don't expect you to know quite off the top of your head, but like, is there one still with that project? And with, I think there might have been other projects as well that we did add some last year, at least that was my impression. Yeah, the one that we're worried about is on the department requested unfunded list on page 71 to that longer section of 28th Street. And so we're trying to figure out how to close that gap. We have ongoing discussions with FDOT2 about maybe finding some more money for us to put in to it. And we have closed some funding gaps on design. Okay. But it's it's an ongoing. Okay. And then so for these projects like the one that I brought up that was head construction funded for last fiscal year, there's not been any like roll over drawn out here. This might just be logistics for budgetary reasons, but you know, are we still anticipating it happening in this fiscal year? Are we gonna have to have something written here? So for this specific will want to be for the grant funding only and the Match B and whatever fund we found the funding source for so If it if we if it was in here for this year last year, and it's not there anymore, it means we haven't gotten the grant agreement yet maybe. So I think we're specifically at that project. All right, yeah, I know y'all are doing what you can, given the turmoil around projects like this, yeah. But I gotta continue to advocate like this project's been like important to people in my district for years now and I was really hoping to see ground being broken this year. I still hold out some hope for it but you know it's been frustrating and I've expressed that in a number of ways so all right that's all I had. Thanks, I'm sure other people. Thank you. Councilmember Gabard. Thank you. Evan, is this where the $3.6 million that we got from the U.S. Department of Transportation for the speed reduction project for Riviera Bay and there was another neighborhood as well that was going to share in some of that? Is this where that would be in the budget? Because I didn't see it. We don't have that agreement yet either. Okay. That's one of the ones that just got announced. So we're waiting on that. Yeah, it got announced in November and we were asked to review a base meeting the other night about an update on that and I hadn't heard Jeopardy on it yet so we don't have a draft agreement yet or anything we haven't gotten a new draft agreement for anything since the administration change. Okay. And some of the one of the draft agreements we got last year is on hold. We have a discussion tomorrow with our contact at USDOT and the good The is it's the same person we worked with last year, so okay So we should figure out more information soon. Okay, if you have an update for me If you went in mind to reach out and just let me know because we did get asked the other evening about that So okay, thank you technically once we have the green agreement ready to go We'll do the supplement all at the same time. We go take it to council to accept the green agreement. Got it. Okay, perfect. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. Vice Chair Hanover. Thank you, Chair. So we all get calls on bicycle and pedestrian safety in our districts. It's a priority for everyone. And it is frustrating. I'm not saying it's your fault, but it is frustrating when I look at our adopted budget. You look at the numbers and the estimate for 2026 was 2 million, the estimate for 2027 was 3.4 million. This is from FY25. Then you look at this CIP and those numbers, not even close. I mean, it's a huge difference between our budget book in I'm looking at the fiscal year adopted budget FY25 and looking at these numbers. I can put together a project by project update for you all and look into some more details that that might help explain that. Yeah, that would be great because we all get the questions and it would be good to have that understanding because when people look at our budget or adopted budget and they look at those numbers and what didn't be expected. And then you look at now our CIP right now, it's just very different. And some of it's timing because with grants, you're expecting you're going to go for it, but then maybe you eat that changes. So some of it's just timing changes. We might have gotten it earlier. We might be getting it later. Oh, I get it. I mean, obviously when you look at the resources, there are lots of Ford panelists and FDOT grants. And so it would be good to get a good handle of where we are. And because when we get the questions, just to be able to verbalize it and explain it appropriately. So, okay, that's it. Thank you. Thank you. Council Member Givens. Thank you so much, Chair. I echo the comments of those who spoke before me, especially Council Member Floyd. I hear from my constituents all the time, we need to prioritize bicycle and pedestrian safety. That is something that's very important to me. I have the opportunity to ride the bicycles with some of the neighborhoods, and I've seen hazard. I have seen accidents firsthand and I always say our budget should reflect our values. We should prioritize. We always say that we want to be this walkable and balkable community, right? So I think this should be fun. I'm thinking about something as simple as flexible posts, planters, things like that. Is there a reason why we can't look at those busy thoroughfares that are very accident-prone like 28th Street, 38th Avenue South, 16th Street, 9th Street? Can we designate just certain hot spots? I heard that phrase mentioned earlier, and hopefully just work on making that area safer instead of the whole corridor. And if I said again, these are just grants that we are going out for. So the projects that the city funds are gonna be a different, see I got different things. So we don't really have control over these funds. It's whether or not we get the grant or if there's grants available. So for those types of funding, it's gonna be more in 3027, which is the one of the penny funds or in one fund, we'll come up to soon, where we have the transportation impact fees or you know, general capital improvement if we have general. 3027, which is the one of the penny funds, or in one fund, we'll come up to you soon, where we have the transportation impact fees, or you know, general capital improvement, if we have general funds available to transfer. I appreciate that clarification. Thank you, thank you. Thank you. Council Member Justice, would you have some? Yes, thank you. Oh, so Council Member Floyd, which project was it that you were referring to? 13th, I'm sorry. 28th Street, North from 13th Avenue to Central. First, I'm sorry, yeah, first. There's one listed under unfunded that just says Avenue, South, complete streets. So, this was a little hiccup when we turned into a PDF. If you look at the first one after South, that 18th. Oh, 18th. It should go down. We tried to catch that, but we missed one this year. 18th. Got it. And why I'm getting about it. I forgot to tell you earlier on page 47, the Bartlett Lakes South Creek Pump Station. Description. It describes a new master of lift station. That's actually a pump station. You see that? Yeah, we'll get with Bergesh to make sure we have the right terminology. Yeah. Okay, great. That's not what I'm here to talk about. So these, I know that this is really, this is really confusing to look at because of the grant situation. What can you tell us about, and I love the idea of doing like a little project by project update. The new notice of funding opportunity for safe streets and roads for all came out April 1st. Very exciting that we're finally back to that because that's a newer program that is actually where we got the 3.6 million before. So with this one, the current one that's doing June, they're looking for different things, you know, but we still have the same projects and we can line it up with whatever this administration's priorities they have today. Are there projects here? Are there things here that you see us being able to put in for? Or is there something here, especially the stuff that's unfunded? Can we grab something from there and do a grant request for safe streets? Yes. As was mentioned earlier, we haven't gone to the grants committee. We will see that 49th Street is partially unfunded. And so we've been in discussions with four panelists in Goldport about a joint application for 49th Street South. Nice. And I think that that could score well. Yeah, yeah, that sounds good. And that one, check some of the boxes that I know about. So yeah, that's good. Well, I look forward to hearing more about that. And thank you, you know how we're all passionate about this particular topic. And I hope you're feeling the support along with all the questions. Little hot. That's OK. I'm here. I'll see you again later. I'm here. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. Thank you. All right. I think that's it. Evan, I know my neighborhoods are giving me even more pressure on the last few days, so sorry about that. All right, let's keep going. So on page 72, we have the tax increment financing capital improvement fund. There is currently one project planned in this fund, for FY26, it's the Owlay Stadium Improvements Project that is funded by a transfer from the downtown redevelopment district fund for 200,000 and if there's other projects that come up during the year will be Brought to City Council for appropriation as needed Council members any questions Let's keep rockin roll all right we keep watching all makes us uneasy. There's no projects funded and we keep watching They go through a different process and come to City Council as they arrive. And I believe this is our last fund of the day. It's the multi-modal impact fees. It starts on page 76. There's revenues to the fund include transportation impact fees, grant, and earnings on investments. For FY26, there's a estimated revenues of 812,000 and projects totaling 850,000. We have 450,000 for our Complete Streets program, which is an addition to the penny funds that we allocate. We have 250,000 for downtown intersection and pedestrian facilities. 100,000 for traffic safety program, and 50,000 for the sidewalk expansion program, which is also in addition to sidewalk funding that's in the penny funds. And we do have a picture of a complete street project out at Pinellas Point Drive, so. Council Member Floyd, thank you. Um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, we're talking about this year's budget. But we do have projections, like estimates for the future years. There's a lot of conversation around the multimodal impact fee at the county level. Like how are we feeling about that right now? Is kind of what I wanted to say. I think that because Ford Finales is in the lead on that and they work closely with us that we feel pretty good about it. Not sure exactly what's going to come out of that, but it could be an improvement. I think you've heard of what we have now. So I'm optimistic and we'll learn more in the next six months or so. Okay, yeah. And I'm on forward panelist been having those conversations. I'm optimistic as well. I don't know that they're going to go quite as gung-ho as I would personally, but I'm excited to like, you know, get us to a point where our fees make sense in the first place. sense in the first place because right now I don't think that they do. But anyway, I wanted to bring that up in the context of like just having it in our minds that over the next few years, we might be able to accomplish a good bit more here with this fund and continue to advocate for us to spend it on street safety and complete streets. So I look forward to having that conversation. I don't know how long it's going to take, but hopefully this time next year when we're having this conversation, we're talking about all the wonderful things we're able to accomplish because we think we're going to see more revenue from this. So I just want to... That's why I think it's good. Yeah, we'll see. Thank you, Chair. TBD. Thank you. Any other comments, councilmembers? Thank you so much. Thank you for the presentation. Thank you for all the work. Administration. Thank you. And to all the staff that was here, a big thank you for answering the questions and all the work that you do throughout the year on the budget. We're going to see each other in two weeks for operating budget. If there's nothing else for the good of the order, community of the whole is adjourned. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. music and I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. you you you you