I think we're going to call to order the closed session meeting of the City Council meeting 3063. Madam City clerk, roll call please. Council member Shem. Here. Council member Gomez. Present. Council member Clark. Mayor Pertham Gallagher. Here. Mayor Lumber. Here. Next we have public input. At this time, any member of the public may address the council on matters which are on the closed session agenda. If any members of the public who are participating through Zoom wish to address the council, please raise your hand. And if you are calling in, please press star nine to raise your hand. Madam City Clerk, can you request a speak? No, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Next we have closed session update, Mr. City Attorney. With the City Council will be convening in closed session to discuss items conference with its labor negotiators, Derek, Ysuda and Peter Brown on closed session item four, and conference with its real property negotiators, although Schindler, Nicole Bernard, Ryan Swantek, and Ken Peggy regarding the agenda items five A and five B, and the council will not be discussing item two on the closed session agenda. Thank you, sir. With that, we will recess the closed session agenda. Thank you, sir. With that, we will recess the closed session. Good evening. I'm going to call to order the regular meeting of the City Council and Tusson Housing Authority at 7.01 p.m. Meeting number 3063. Tonight's invocations by Pastor Jorge Molina from Mayor's Church. Pastor. Thank you. It's always an honor. Let's go to God and pray. And prayer. God, thank you so much, Father, for giving us this opportunity to come together. Lord, I was sitting here just thinking, thanking you for each of the Councilmen and women that we have here. I pray, Father, for your hand of blessing on each of them, their families. Thank you for all the time and energy and effort that they put in. I pray God that you just may give them the strength, not just physical strength, but also emotional strength. I pray also Father for our city. You ask us to pray and to ask for you to just bless our city to make it flourish. I pray Father for all the many countless men and women who serve our city in all the different sectors of our city. And I thank you, Father, that it's an honor, Lord, to live here and to call this my home. And I pray, Father, that you just continue to bless it. The name of Jesus, we pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Pastor. The Pledge of Alleg we pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Pastor. The Pledge of Allegiance tonight, Council Member Gomez. Please stand if you were able. Go ahead, me and saluting our nation's flag. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice strong. Thank you. We have two presentations tonight. The first one is recognition of Captain Stephanie Nichols for 25 years of service. I'll read this and then we'll ask Chief Greenberg to come up and say a few words and make a little presentation here. The success of an organization greatly depends on maintaining a dedicated, hardworking team. Over the last 25 years, the city of Tustin has been fortunate to retain an exceptional employee who continues to demonstrate a strong work ethic. Tonight, we are honored to recognize police captain Stephanie Nichols for her service to the T strong work ethic. Tonight we are honored to recognize police captain Stephanie Nichols for her service to the test and community. In 1999, Stephanie was hired as a police officer, which was the first step of a remarkable journey in the test and police department. During her tenure, Stephanie has held several keep positions, including police officer, police sergeant, police lieutenant, and currently Police Captain, demonstrating a trajectory of growth and leadership within the department. Over the years, Stephanie has been instrumental in addressing significant challenges and responsibilities, including a key leadership role during the Navy North Hanger Fire, overseeing COVID-19 pandemic responses as PSD Lieutenant, participating in the Chief's Advisory Board and facilitating the extradition of a Tusson's most wanted individual from El Salvador to the Tusson Police Department. Stephanie Nichols embodies characteristics of diligence, ambition, dependability, passion, and caring, often described as the team's mom due to her thorough and dedicated approach to her role. Her contributions and unwavering commitment have greatly enhanced the safety, security, and well-being of the community. Please join me in congratulating and thanking Stephanie for 25 years of service. Thank you. She's cream bird, if you'd like to come down. And I'll say on a personal note that Captain Nichols woke me up the night of the hangar fire. I was answering my phone and she knocked on my front door and I was a bit alarmed but her nice face at the door helped calm things down a little bit and before we got started. Anyway, she's green bird. Thank you Mayor, Mayor Pro Thank you, Mayor. Mayor Pro Tem, Council Members. Yeah, I think we're all woken up one way or another that day at night. I remember I was on LA when I got, I don't know, half a dozen phone calls and I look at Nicole because most of them were for her. But a lot of stuff going on. But tonight we are here to celebrate 25 years of a very successful career. Like you said, she was recruited and started as a recruit in 1999. She was a police officer for about 10 years, promoted to Sargent and did another about 10 years, worked a bunch of different positions. I'm kind of at livinist because you took all my lines. So I'm just gonna work with this here. But I remember when I first got here, she was a sergeant and I did a ride along with two sergeants, her and another sergeant. And right away, I thought to myself, wow, she knows this job, she knows this city, this, she has, I gotta watch my language, she's got it wire, my language, she's got a wire. She knows what she's doing. She took me to all areas of the city, gave me a great tour, gave me a great ride along, opened my eyes to what was testing. You know, I've eaten here, I've shopped here, never rode in a police car on duty, except from another agency, was impressed right from the beginning. And that impression continued right through till tonight. You mentioned some of the key roles you played during that time. She ran PSD, the recruiting and retention, oversight, administrative investigations. She was part one of Dr. Fauci during COVID like you mentioned. I stood up here a few months ago when Lieutenant Borosy retired. He was part one of Dr. Fauci during COVID, like you mentioned. I stood up here a few months ago when Lieutenant Borosi retired. He was part two of Dr. Fauci. And that was not a small task because you couldn't, no matter what you did, you couldn't make everybody happy. And she just kept at it. You know, she was tenacious and dedicated and committed. And these are other words I would use to describe her professional through and committed to the police department, the community and the city, the entire time. And that continued through her following years as a lieutenant and now as a captain. In fact, just before coming in here tonight, I walked into my office and she was having a meeting with lieutenant since Hardin's talking about, you know, expectations and where we are, where we're going, et cetera. It never stops. I can't say enough about her. I will tell you that we are better off because she's on our command team. She, I don't think she's ever had a bad day, at least nothing that I've noticed. So personally, from me, Captain Nichols, thank you for all your guidance. I've learned as much from her as well. Now let's be honest, I've learned way more from her than she's ever going to learn from me. So thank you and congratulations for 25 years. I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to let you guys know the community, the department heads, all of you that over the last 25 years I've grown to know on a personal level. So thank you for the friendships, thank you for just being there and always listening to us. I want to thank the chief, my staff, everybody is amazing and to the men and women of the testing police department who every day 24-7 are here to serve the community and the citizens. So on behalf of me, thank you so much. I appreciate it, but I couldn't have been here without the help from all of you guys. My parents are here, and so I just want to say thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Captain Nichols, congratulations. I've had the honor of the last couple of years to get to know you professionally and personally. Our kids go to school together and the only thing I think you love more than this job are your kids. And again, I first time I bumped into you at a football game. I didn't even recognize you. You're hair down. I'm like, yeah, you're baseball hat on. But, you know, the one thing that strikes me is you just have such a sense of joy about you. Every time I see you, you've got a big smile on your face. You're just very happy. You're exuberant, again, whether it's in uniform or whether it's in the school uniform or the baseball hat. But thank you so much for you and the rest of the men and women and tusse and. due to keep us safe. Again, you are just a great example to the rest of the citizens as well as the folks that are on the floor. So thank you. Captain Nichols, I just want to echo some of those statements. But in chief, I'm glad that you said she's never, it never seems like she's had a bad day because every time I see you have this amazing smile on your face and I know personally that you have inspired girls to look into law enforcement in the city, not just through the girls and government program but just being who you are in our city and it's so clear that you love testing and it shows through your commitment and your professionalism and your care through this role. So we're gonna miss, but thank you for choosing Tustin and for dedicating over two decades to to this city. Captain Nichols Thank you for all you do not only for all of us up here, but throughout the community. I've gotten to know you probably the longest in your professional life with the council, but you've done an amazing job with the community. Latisha mentioned the girls in government, and I was so impressed with when I moderated the panel of different women leaders. And it's really nice to have women in our police force, especially in leadership, because I think it does demonstrate to young women out there that there are possibilities in law enforcement. So thank you for all you do, and I'm sure we'll be seeing you. Thank you. I think everyone's kind of covered everything. The one item that did come to mind, seeing you up here with your big smile as you always have, is just that it's very difficult to balance having a very friendly, approachable demeanor. While also still coming off as just having a mastery of, approachable demeanor. Well, also still coming off is just having a mastery of your profession and being competent. And you are able to do that, and that is very unique. And I think that's something that does create an example. For not just the other police officers, which is so important to be approachable to the community, but also every staff member, just that we can be friendly, we can enjoy our jobs. We can also be very good and be the top of our class. So I appreciate you creating that example and just being such a friendly light in everyone's life. All right, on behalf of a grateful city thank you. We do have some things for you and we'll come down here maybe take a picture and if you want to bring your family up you can take pictures of them too. Thank you so much. I'm really good at technology and cameras. Which button do I push? I'm going to give one with you guys. What more? Okay. Okay Just for the record because there might have been some confusion captain Nichols is not retiring We're recognizing her for 25 years of service Thank you. Okay, she's not going anywhere. I heard it's all that somebody. All right, second presentation tonight is Old Town Improvements Project. We have our acting assistant director of public works to provide a PowerPoint presentation. Stay feet quave us. Good evening. So we're going to jump right into where we started, which was the Downtown Commercial Core Specific Plan. This was adopted by the City Council in 2017. There's a lot of different components coming out of the specific plan the top three bullet points on the slide Are really the ones that pull out for the old town improvement projects and the old town improvement project and the main street project so The downtown Commercial core specific plan was really looking at promoting a pedestrian oriented downtown for old town improving the street scape roadways and doing some pedestrian and bicycle enhancements, and really drawing more patrons to Old Town. So the plan really focused on in terms of development and what we're doing in the public right of way was street scapes in open space. So there's a Ficus tree program, it's a plan tree replacement program in the specific plan. There is a street tree palette that was provided as well as a monumentation plan and a plan for parklets where people could gather in outdoor spaces. Before I leave this slide, it might be a little jarring to hear that it was adopted in 2017 and it is now 2024. So we wanted to give you guys a little background on what's happened in the time since. The main street portion of the project was designed and we had applied for a grant. There was a lot of back and forth with the granting agency and ultimately, we did not receive the grant. On the heels of that, the Orange County Water District was putting together a water treatment facility at the corner of Prospect and Main Street that included some pipeline work. The pipeline work is actually under construction right now in Old Town. So we are now gearing up to start this project because once they're out of the way, we will move in. The last part, we were planning to go out to bid for these two independent projects as a single project hiring one contractor to do both. However, we were just recently awarded a $3.2 million grant and we have now bifurcated the projects yet again. So we'll move forward with Old Town, waiting for all of the grant administration to go through until Main Street's ready to bid later next year. So I'll start with the Old Town improvements project because this is sequentially what will happen first. So there's the construction of seven parklets. We're going to do crosswalk improvements on Main Street, at Sea Street, and Prospect Avenue. There will be electrical improvements for the tree lighting, retractable in pavement ballards. These will be placed at key event closure locations, bicycle safety improvements on El Camino and Main Street, a digital wayfinder or informational kiosk at El Camino and Main Street. So we wanted to give you some visuals. A lot of people have seen this over the last few years. This was the temporary outdoor dining spaces that were set up due to COVID. These have since come down, but this was kind of where the concept came from for the old town parklets. We have some renderings of what they're going to look like after construction. So we'll actually be popping out the curb, putting in some landscaping and new trees, and putting up some decorative gates to fence off the area from the street. Here is an aerial view and this is, I should have mentioned at Black Marlin and Honda Yaw. This is an aerial view so you can kind of get a sense we'll still have an open sidewalk and then there's space for gathering or outdoor uses closer to the street. Here is chalk. They actually still have their temporary outdoor seating up and this is what we're looking for at the end of this project. Again, keeping the landscaping very similar. This one has a flowering tree but with the decorative gates as well. So for continuity throughout Old Town. And here is an area, again, keeping sidewalks open but adding some additional space. This is the improvement plan. So these are our planned improvements for the area. I'm sorry it's a little hard to see but trying to get all of this on one slide was a challenge. The parklets are noted in the dark brown areas. The lighted crosswalks are at C Street and Main Street and Prospect and Main Street. We then have the in pavement ballards noted in light blue. So you'll see them at all of the intersections. They're along C Street, along Prospect, and then throughout the El Camino corridor from first street to sixth street. There are a variety of colors of trees that you'll note. The green ones are all existing trees, nothing is happening with those. The blue trees are a new shade tree that's being introduced that comes from the specific plan. It's called the Chinese Elm, it's the variety Drake. I'll go into a little bit more information on the next slide about that. The pink trees are actually the pink trumpet tree. We have a lot of those existing in Old Town now, specifically on El Camino between First and Second Street. So this is the Chinese Elm that we're going to begin to introduce. The Chinese Elm and the pink trumpet tree are being used in both the Old Town project as well as the main tree project for continuity. The Chinese Elm was really attractive to us out of the specific plan due to its growth habits. So it's a vase-shaped tree, it grows up and out, meaning we're going to have less conflicts with buildings, there's less of a need to manicure the tree and pull it in because of buildings that will go over the building and over the street. They're relatively fast growing so they'll grow to 45 feet and the canopy will be 35 to 45 feet wide. This, the bigger picture in the middle, that's an existing tree in Tuston, that's located at Victory Park, that was planted in 2017, just because dimensions can be difficult in a photo. When I stood next to it, the top of my head was just under the bottom of the canopy. So that's in 18 to 20 foot tree about seven years. It will not be that big when it's planted. It will look something more like the tree on the right. So we know it is tolerant of our local conditions, and it loses its leaves very briefly in the winter. This is the pink trumpet tree that people may be familiar with in Old Town. It is a smaller tree with a more moderate growth rate. What we're really looking to do is accommodate smaller growing spaces. So if you have a three or four story building at the property line, we really don't have enough space for a large canopy to grow. So this is putting the right tree in the right place. The canopy will only get to about 25 feet wide. Again, we know it's tolerant of local conditions. The profuse flowering that you see in the image on the right will take about five years for the tree. It has to be in the ground. It really likes to get settled before it starts flowering. But you'll see that about five years in. We have about a four week flower drop period in the spring. Okay, four main street improvements. This is phase two happening later on after the Old Town improvement project is complete. So this includes an Old Town testing gateway science spanning main street near Centennial. We're installing a raised landscape center median. There will be a realignment of the roadway to have a single traveling in each direction bike lane improvements, and then there's a widened multi-use path on the south side of Main Street adjacent to Tusson Plaza. We are re-aligning the driveway at the Civic Center so that it lines up with the exit at Tusson Plaza and we'll be putting in a lighted crosswalk. There's also going to be an addition of angled parking along Tusson Plaza. So this is the current view. It's a lot of pavement. This is the goal. This is the vision of the specific plan. This is a more mature photo. We're not, this is not how it's going to look at day one. But this is the concept plan for the monument on Main Street with you can see the center median and enhanced landscape on either side of the street. So down just a little bit further to the west you see Tuston Dental there. You can actually see in this photo the parking lot on the south side of the street, exits is very much offset from the exit over at the Civic Center. So we will align those, put in crosswalks. You can see on the south side of the street, there is the widen sidewalk that is also can accommodate bicyclists as well as the angled parking, adjacent to Tustin Plaza, and this view is just slightly further west showing the landscape medium. So we have another improvement plan for you here. You'll notice over on the right we have the monument sign coming over the street near Centennial, the Align Driveways, as well as the Crosswalks, and the tree scape is similar, but different in that we have two rows of trees here. So we have the pink trumpet tree along the street, and then behind it on the north side, more within the public parking lots, the big shade tree, the Chinese L. The Chinese L is also going to be used within the median, and we have a couple there sprinkled on the south side of the street where space could accommodate. So we wanted to give you a little idea of what the total accumulation is of the work done in this project. We're adding seven parklets. We'll have a net increase of 45 trees, also a net increase of 14 parking spaces, the three safety enhanced crosswalks, and 11 intersections with the retractable wallards. We are working on public outreach. One of the things that we're trying to be really cognizant of is construction fatigue. With the pipeline work that's already going on down in Old Town and us coming in in January, we recognize that there is business impact. We have a lot of events in old town that we're going to have to work with different parties to make sure that we're as buttoned up as possible in advance of their events. So we're taking all of this into account over on the right side, we're trying to really focus on the positive outcomes that are listed in the strategic plan. So for community notification, we did send out about 180 letters to the businesses and residents that front El Camino and Main Street letting them know these projects are coming, letting them know of tonight's meeting. We will do a second round of outreach, which is a postcard. It's going to be 8.5 by 11. There's going to be a lot of information on it. Visuals, we're really trying to push all inquiries first stop is the web page. It's going to have the most up-to-date information. So that's kind of stop one. And then if there's additional questions, we've got contact information so they can reach staff. We'll also be using social media as needed. And then we'll put articles out in both the winner and spring edition of Testin' Today. On the right, we have some other parties that we're going to make sure that we notify, we want to make sure our emergency response here in Tuscany understands what's going on so that if they need to reroute vehicles that they can, OCTA is a very similar situation, they have some bus routes that traverse main streets, we want to let them know what's going on, and then we have all of our service clubs that operate in old town. So this is the city's webpage, it's up and running. The information is there. We have a bit of a kind of what to expect. Some guidance on where to park if you can't park in front of the business that you were looking to go to. Rendering concept plans are all available. Backgrounds linked to the specific plan so that people really understand where this came from. And again, the contact us information. Quick project timeline across the top of this is the timeline for the Old Town project. So it starts with tonight's meeting. We plan to be back to you guys. It's your very next meeting to authorize bidding, approve the plans and specifications and authorize bidding. The second meeting in November would be the award of contract. And then we're looking to start the construction in January. We will be working with the contractor really to focus on construction of the parklets first because you'll notice that we have chili cookoff put in there. We want those open and really, really tidied up before chili cookoff. After that, we'll focus on retractable ballards and the lighted crosswalks. On the lower part of this timeline is the timeline for Main Street, which we have a little bit more flexibility with. Next month we will submit to CalTrans the documentation for our grant that's required. That's about a six month process. It may be longer. So the earliest that will be here to request authorization to bid for Main Street will be February Coming back in April to award the contract. There's a lot of flexibility built into that We do have a plan to start date for construction of Main Street October of 2025 completion is June of 2026 hopefully right before chilly cookoff of that year. And that is all for my presentation. I'm happy to take any questions. Thank you. We're not moving Chile cookoff, so you better. We are not moving Chile cookoff. No. I appreciate the presentation, especially the mindfulness of the stakeholders in Old Town and some of the events that we have. And there's going to be a lot of questions. I just wanted to clarify that the website is testinca.org slash old town. That's correct. I've already been contacted by a couple residents asking questions, particularly about the tree replacement program. So that's good to know. So for the comments, Mayor Progym. Very excited for this to be moving forward. I know we've talked about it for a number of years. I think it's implied, but I just want to confirm on the outreach efforts. There'll be some construction signage actually out there with QR codes that bring them to the website. There will be. And there will also be direct contact with business owners, property owners, so that as the contractor is doing things that we may have a brief sidewalk closure. They will be going and speaking to those business owners to let them know what's going on. And just so it's crystal clear for anyone watching we are going to add we're going to have at the end of the day more trees than we have now. So although some trees will come down they will be replaced and new ones beyond that added. Yes. OK. Very good. Thank you. Basically, I was going to ask a similar question about signage. It's such a positive visual project. And I think highly anticipated that I think we even want to advertise that on the signage and not feel shy about putting what's to come. Will there be any fencing anywhere where we could use the fencing type signage to? No, we'll want to keep sidewalks as open as possible. We've identified locations at both the north and south end of the project site on El Camino where we'll have like, they're going to be like four by six. Very large signs, images, QR codes, so we will definitely be getting the word out. Yeah, I think the more images the better because it just brings it to life. So, okay, thank you. the community. We have a lot of different kinds of images, QR codes. We will be getting the word out. The more images, the better. It brings it to life. Thank you. Thank you for the presentation. The bike safety, the bike lanes. Will there also be bike parking? Add it as well. It is not included in the plan. We've started looking at locations to add some different amenities, but it will be done separately through our staff. OK. Good. Thank you. You said there'd be a net increase of 14 parking spaces. But I love the parklets, but that's going to take away some of the spaces in front of businesses. So can we look at signage to direct people to where there's additional parking or to Steven Square and that kind of thing? Because people that aren't familiar with the Old Town will not know where to park if they can't park in front of the or close by the business that they're going to. Not a problem and some of that information has been included on the website. Okay, perfect. Okay, thank you. Thank you. You get you had your figure out first. Yeah. Okay, well, I was going to say, I think it's very smart what Councilmember Becky Govins said about making sure we've got, you know, a place for bikes because we do want to make it walkable. We want people to be able to ride their bike stand to Old Town Tusson be able to secure them safely, but I was gonna say there's more trees, which is great. I love the kind of the combination of the kind of pink colored trees as well as the other ones, but there's more parking, right? So, but I do agree we need to direct people to try to find other locations within Old Town Tusson to find parking, but very excited about this. I mean, I love kind of the reimagining of Old Town Tusson aligns with what we're doing here in the City Council and with staff, which is to really revitalize Old Tusson, you know, Boose economy. You talk about, you know, increasing community gatherings. You know, we're doing that with the sunset mark in the chili cook off, but I mean, we're all I think the more things that we can do to kind of take old town tests and maintain the historical charm of it. But again, bring it into the 21st century to allow for more businesses, more gatherings, more economic activity, I think is a big positive. So I'm very excited for it to start. I'm glad, as the mayor said, that it's not going to impact the chili cook off or a test until it days. days and I'm very excited to see what this is going to look like in June of 2026. So thank you. Mayor Pro Tem. Councilwoman Gomez got me thinking about the bike parking and I was in Anaheim by their city hall and they had some very creative ways they did park benches and it really added to the uniqueness of that space. They tried to make it fun and engaging. And I think we've done such a wonderful job with the public art, with the painting of the planted boxes. And it really creates an atmosphere that doesn't, that feels special and different. And if we are adding any benches or bike parking, this might be something to engage the public art committee or try to create something unique or special that speaks to our, you know, our old town as opposed to just a standard bike parking or bench. So I just wanted to share that idea as I thought of it. So thank you. Thank you. Great job. Thank you for the presentation. You want a clap? You can clap. All right. Next we have public input. At this time, any member of the public may You want a clap? You can clap. One time. Next we have public input. At this time, any member of the public may address the council on matters which are not on this evening's agenda. Provided the matter is within the subject matter jurisdiction of the city council. If any members of the public who are participating through zoom wish to address the council, please raise your hand. If you're calling in, please press star nine to raise your hand. Madam City Clerk, do we have any requests to speak? Yes, Mr. Mayor, we have one on Zoom. Okay. Nicole. Hello, you're on. Hello, everyone. Can you hear me? Yes, go ahead. Hi, my name is Nicole. And thank you for allowing me to speak today. I come before you because I had some information and something to report. On the morning of August 7th, I was a, I became a poly victimized in a horrendous crime, a home invasion. I was awoken up by four AM, by four people that really attacked me sexually assaulted me. Rob me for everything I had. I was severely beaten. They took over 30,000 words of items like jewelry, computers, my phone. They held me captive. Some of the items that were included were all my identifying paperwork, my birth certificate, my social security cards, my they're all in a safe, my passport, my driver's license, etc. Since the attack, my identity has been misused on the web, on the dark web, they try to open up accounts and I've been making a lot of reports on that. It's been a really difficult time for me to get my, my, my identification back, if you will. The morning of the incident, I escaped. I was able to get a hold of the police through a neighbor that let me use his phone. This is when I became revictimized. The police first, the blue first appeared to the scene. Immediately attacked me verbally and threatened me that they were gonna arrest me for making a false report despite all the evidence, the physical evidence including footage and pictures of what happened to me. I was rushed to the hospital by the ambulance because I had a severe concussion. I was accused of being a drug addict by the officer on duty. He left me unprotected at the hospital despite me telling him that if I, that the perpetrators told me if I threatened, threatened me by, if I called the police that they would kill me. Later that day, I had to call the police again to file a report regarding the sexual assault and get a rape kit. On the following day, I contacted the detective where she did not help me it became like combative towards me called me a liar. I was not given any information regarding my rights by laying my Marcy's law and to the state. I haven't received a police report. I have no evidence like like at no, no, no, like it gets evidence of stating that I had all my identification paperwork done. I've asked the police department to please furnish out for me. They have not. I just want to let everyone know that this is a severe injustice not only by what occurred, but that the purpose are still out on the streets. And I tried to, I did mate with the detectives one more time where it went, it didn't go, it went south like the old meeting. I haven't heard back from them. I haven't been able to get a police report and I just want to know like what we could do to train the police officers better with, with dealing with people with sexual assault and, and how I could be able to like navigate the system and also to bring awareness of what is going on in the city of Tessa. Thank you for your time and thank you for Lamy's chair. Thank you for your comments. You're essentially reporting a crime. It's unclear if that happened in the city of Tessa or not, but if you can stay on the line, we will get your contact information. The city clerk, I I think can do that so that we can reach out to you and we have the chief of police in the room tonight so they'll contact you and take care of it. Do we have further requests to speak? No, Mr. Mayor. All right. Thank you. With that we will move to close session report, Mr. City Attorney. The City Council took no reportable action. Thank you. Next we have the consent calendar. Items 1 through 15. All matters listed under the consent calendar are considered to be routine and will be enacted by one motion without discussion. Public input for the consent calendar items. If any member of the public wishes to address the council, please submit a request to speak for him if you have not already. If any members of the public are participating through Zuma's address to council on items one through fifteen please raise your hand Any requests to speak on the consent calendar Madam city clerk no, mr. Mayor. Thank you any members want to pull an item from the consent calendar I'd like to pull number five and thirteen please five and thirteen Any other request the poll No No move the balance. All right. We're going to poll 5 and 13. I have a motion to move the balance in a second. Second. All right. Madam City Clerk roll call vote please. Council Member Schnell. Hi. Council Member Gomez. Yes. Council Member Clark. Hi. Mayor Pertson Gallagher. Hi. Mayor Lumber. Hi. Motion passes 5-0. Thank you. Council Member Gomez says poll item number 5, which is the test in housing authority annual meeting and annual report. Council Member Gomez? Yes. This is more just for a comment. First of all, I think we've done an outstanding job of utilizing the housing that we have available, but we also need to note that almost all of our affordable housing units have been leased. There's a very, very little availability. So, you know, one of our units in the senior housing, almost all but three have been leased. In a mall fee, there's only six available out of 37, Anton 220 of 225 have been leased. So it does show the need that we have in the city to continue looking at more affordable housing. I also want to congratulate Jerry Craig for his efforts on the emergency shelter where we saw 81 folks positively transition but also want to you know credit the staff there for what they're doing to making sure that these folks get more permanent type of housing but I am a little bit concerned about the veterans outpost and how little transitions that they are making. So I think we probably need to take another look at the differences between the veterans outpost and what we're doing at the emergency shelter because we're very successful at the emergency shelter but not so successful with the veterans outpost and them successfully transitioning. So that's I think something that we probably need to take another look at and see if there's some additional support or training or something that we can do because we owe that to our veterans to make sure that they have appropriate housing and that they're they're moving along and getting the resources they need. So that that's all I wanted to comment on, but I think it's important to know what our affordable housing looks like in the city. So thank you. Thank you. Yeah, with that, I'll move the item. And I'll second. I just want to add, I think recently we've dealt with some compliance issues with our affordable housing stock, which is very unfortunate, where we have tenants who are flouting the law and taking up these units that are needed by those who really deserve to be in those ones. So I appreciate everything that staff does. We're just sharing. He's back there. There he is. He's got his head down. He's on his mic on. No, I can't actually. Really appreciate everything that staff does, but we do face that sort of issue of abuse so appreciate the comments. Any further comments? Just a question Mr. Mayor as a reminder so the veterans outpost is it it's permanent supportive housing or transition? Yeah that is operated by the mission but it's label permanent supportive. Okay motion and second Madam City clerk we'll call please. Councillor Emersonal. Hi. Councillor Emerson Gomez. Yes. Councilmember Clark. Yes. Mayor Pertham Gallagher. Yes. Mayor Lumberan. Aye. Motion passes 5-0. And Mayor Lumberan may just note to Nicole we have your contact information so you don't have to stand the line. We disabled the chat features on the table. Okay. So for the caller in whose name is Nicole, Madam City clerk said we have your contact information Don't need to stand aligned any further. Thank you for providing it Thank you Madam City Clerk Next we have item 13 which is also pulled by Council Member Gomez designated designation of voting delegates and alternatives for the League of California cities annual conference scheduled for October 16 through 18th and Long Beach Council Member Gomez Yeah, just a clarification We can identify up to two alternate voting delegates are Ray and I, the only ones going to the conference just for clarification. I cannot make it. I believe the voting is the first day. I think it's usually the last day, it's usually the Friday. I'm only going one day, so I don't think that was a voting day. I was going on the 17th. Yeah. Okay. I just want to be clear that if we needed a second alternate, if somebody else would be there. I'm attending the whole conference. Okay. Okay. You can label me as a second alternate if needed, but I plan to go. Okay. I think we just need to make sure that we've got a second alternate just just in case All right, so I'm gonna move staff recommendation with the addition of councilman reclark as a second alternate that work for staff Yeah, I'm sure the second Madam city clerk roll call please Councilmember show hi councilmember Gomez. Yes councilmember Clark. Hi mayor proteim Gallagher. Yes. Mayor Lumberg. Aye. Motion passes 5-0. Thank you. Thank you. Next we have our public hearing items. We have two tonight. The first item is 16 which is a code amendment 2024, triple 0-4 ordinance number 1543. Updates relative to the implementation of a sixth, 2021 to 2029 housing element. Open the public hearing and invite who's already there. Mr. Maldonado, our associate planner for PowerPoint presentation. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, for the introduction. Good evening, council members. Tonight, I'm pleased to discuss the code amendment 2024-004, which would amend various sections of Article 9 of the Tuston City Code, otherwise known as the Zoning Code, to comply with the commitments that we've made in our housing element. So a little bit of background to set the stage of our discussion. In October of 2022, HCD, that's the California Department of Housing and Community Development, certified our most recent housing element, and the housing element addresses housing-related matters in the city by establishing various goals and policies. And further, the housing element establishes specific actions or programs, as it calls them, to achieve those goals. So the code amendment that we're discussing tonight is the implementation of some of those programs that we committed to in the housing element. So that brings us to today. The proposed code amendment is city initiated and would modify the zoning code to implement two programs from the housing element. Specifically, we have program 1.5A to streamline housing development by removing the requirement of a conditional use permit or CUP for triplexes and generally for residential uses in all of the zones in the zoning code where a CUP is currently required. We also have a secondly program 2.1A to define transitional and supportive housing in our code and to consider them to be residential uses subject only to those zoning regulations that apply to other residential dwellings of the same type in the same zone. In other words, if we had, for example, a for unit apartment building that was being developed with the intent of being used for supportive or transitional housing. We would just see it as any other apartment building. We would not differentiate how it's treated because it's transitional or supportive housing. So there are various state laws that have to do with this second program that I just spoke about regarding transitional and supportive housing. One of them that I want to draw your attention to is AB 2162, which, among other things, requires that supportive housing be allowed by right in zones where multi-family and mixed-use development is already permitted. It requires that city streamline the approval of such housing projects, and it removes the requirements for SQL analysis, that's the California Environmental Quality Act, and the requirement for discretionary approval by the city like through a CUP or other entitlement. Such supportive housing projects would need to comply with certain requirements as further described in your staff report to qualify for that streamlined approval. So the proposed amendment ordinance is the implementation of programs in our housing element and therefore aligns with the general plan. And specifically, these amendments further the housing Elements goal number one of providing adequate housing supply by streamlining development and goal number two of the housing element of promoting fair housing opportunities by facilitating the dispersion and integration of housing for low and very low income families throughout the community. And just a little bit of context on July 9th, the Planning Commission adopted resolution number 4491, recommending that the City Council adopt the ordinance before you, 1543. And so therefore, staff's recommendation is the city council. And so therefore, staff's recommendation is that the city council conduct first reading of ordinance number 1543 by title only for code amendment 2024-0004 and set second reading to the next available council meeting. And that concludes my presentation and I'm available if you have any questions. Thank you. This is a public hearing item so we have to open up public input but do we have questions for staff before we do that? We're comments? No? Okay. Thank you. We may call you back. Thank you. Thank you. Next is public input. If any members of the public wish to address the council, please submit a request to speak for them. I would like to ask the council to address the council. If you are participating through Zoom, raise your hand. I'm city clerk and request to speak on the side. We're going to close public input and close public hearing and bring back the council questions. Any comments? Any questions? Mayor Pro Tem? So the recommendation includes both elements from our housing or our housing element, as well as consistency state law. And I just wanted to make sure that's about full. I just wanted to confirm that the changes related to the support of housing and residential uses, that is a requirement of state law, not necessarily something that we put forward in our housing element. Thank you for the question council member. It's both. Okay. So it is both a commitment in our housing element and is also consistent with state law. Okay. Yeah. It's a commitment in the housing out because it's a requirement. That is they I just want to make sure this wasn't a discretionary. This is we need to do this to comply with state law. That's correct. Okay. Thank you. Digital questions comments. Okay. Is there a motion to approve staff recommendation? I'll move it. Second. Councillor Magamas, Councillor Clark. Councillor Caldwell, please. Councillor Emerson. Councillor Marigamas. Yes. Councillor Clark. Mayor Patten-Gallor. Mayor Lombard. Motion passes 5-0. Thank you. And for those students in the room who are here to get signatures, I just saw a very nice test in PD officer signing signing papers early but just heads up. Our next public hearing item number 17 is the first amendment to development agreement 2022-102 the Jessup at 178-0-2 through 178 or to Irvine Boulevard. I understand that Mayor Potemini to a comment? Yeah, I need to recuse myself because of a Levine Act conflict. Okay, any other comments before I open it? I'm going to open the public hearing for this item. There is no staff presentation. Staff recommendation is that the City Council conduct the first reading of ordinance number 1544 by title only for the first amendment to development agreement 2022-02 and set second reading to the next available council meeting. I will open the public hearing and take public input. If any members of the public wish to address the council, please submit a request to speak for them. If you're participating through Zoom, please raise your hand. Madam City Clerk, any request to speak? No, Mr. Mayor. Okay, we'll close public input, close the public hearing, and bring it back to the council for questions, comments or discussion, or I will entertain a motion. I'll move the item and then we'll discuss. Motion in the second discussion. Councilmember Gilness. OK. Well, I'm a little bit concerned because we proved the DDA in February of 2023. And in March of 2024, over a year later, we suspended the in Luffy for affordable housing. So if we were to allow this, we would lose $289,000 to the inclusionary housing fund because we were waving these fees. We just saw in the housing report how much affordable housing is needed in our community. And so since the agreement, you know, again was back in February of 2023, I don't know why we're going to go backwards because the only reason that we suspended that and we suspended that in the in another area, not in an area where this development is occurring. So I can't support this. I think that, you know, intercorp was I think being a good corporate citizen and agreeing to these in-lu fees that were earmarked. So I can't support waving this fee. Further comments? Yeah, just going to say. Actually, I'm support of the project. I think there's what three affordable units because an infill project that are actually being built to. Okay. So, you know, across California, we all know that we need more housing. So we took an old commercial property that didn't have any utilization and we've built 42 new units that add more housing stock in the community. We're adding two affordable units. So to me, this is a good project. Again, we need more housing in Tustin. This helps deliver on that. And part of the reason why we ended up getting rid of the in-lue fees in the Red Hole Quarter as well as an old town Tustin was because we hadn't built any homes. We had, I think, 1,00 units that could have been built in the Red Holt corridor and the in Old Town Tuston and over the last four years we've had the in-loop fees we've built zero. So by changing what we're doing we're doing in the hopes that we're actually going to spur more development and also if you're building more homes you're going to have more affordable units are going to be built as as as a part of that. So that's really the hope is that we're serving kind of the market needs for people that are looking for homes, but also we're going to be increasing the housing stock for affordable. So. Thank you. Question for staff, maybe the two on-site affordable units, low-income units, did the inter-corp build those voluntarily? That's my understanding is they kind of complied with the old town affordable requirement, but maybe you can illuminate us. Thank you, Mayor and Council members. I'm Layla Carver, Senior Planner Consultant for the City. The DA for this project was to accept the provisions for the public benefits to provide affordable housing units, two of those affordable housing units, and also the in lieu fee, which is consistent with projects that would also, which would be consistent with the requirements that would be for a project within the Downtown Commercial Core specific plan. So to answer your question, the affordable housing was included in the DA and the inter-corp accepted that. Because the properties outside the downtown commercial core specific plan site area right? That's correct. Okay. Thank you. Further discussion? Yes. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. When we initially had discussions about essentially getting rid of the in-lu-fi, we were pretty split as a council. I think just philosophically there's a difference in thought about how those in Luffy's were to be utilized in their purpose and I have to concur with council member Gomez in that you know the fee the the lack of housing isn't it's a problem but it isn't necessarily the the big elephant in the room the lack of affordable housing is really the issue that contributes towards the housing crisis in Orange County in Tuston. So I think taking such a large chunk of funds from that fund, especially when it was already agreed upon, it's, I think moving forward, we actually agree that it would be a pilot. We would circle back to see if there was any impact, but this just feels like we're going back in time and it really doesn't help the situation. And it sounds like we actually have some consensus about the need to address the issue. It's just about how we address the issue. So I think philosophically we're split there. It's going to be a no vote for me as well. And my understanding of this, and I am supportive of it, is that staff has been collaborating with inter-corp, the developer, from the beginning to try to expedite construction, get agreements done, and then working with them on fees. Sort of after the fact, see if adjustments can be made to help expedite construction as well, which is what we're getting is a built project. And I think from my perspective, my goal is to accommodate construction as much as we can for to address this need. And I understand the philosophical difference, but we do have a very popular site that project that's been built there, including two affordable units. And that's a housing we didn't have before and two affordable units we did not have before. So that's why I'm supporting this to help accommodate the project. But further discussion. Well, I think that, you know, I appreciate the fact that we're building that housing. But I think in July, according to the planning commission minutes, there were July 9, the July 9 planning commission minutes said there were 10 units left. And I went over there probably July or August. I'm not sure exactly when. And they were saying they were almost completely sold out. So it's not as though this giving them, you know, this concession would help them sell more units. They're already sold. So it's not as though that's stimulating anything else. But I think if we set a precedent about going back a year to something we approved, I think that sets a dangerous precedent as well. So. There are enough. I guess it's where there's a Costco, right? Does intercortgar the cost of the? Do the purchasers of these new homes as it flow down to them? And I think us making construction more affordable in Tuston is a good goal to have on all housing fronts but All right, I'm gonna call the vote mountain city clerk Councilmember Chanel hi Councilmember Gomez no Councilmember Clark may may your Mayor Lumber? Aye. Motion fails with Council Member Gomez and Council Member Clark dissenting. All right. Thank you. Well, thank you. Okay. Next we have our regular business items 18 and 19. 18 is long range testing legacy financial modeling. We do have our director of finance Jennifer King here to provide some intro comments. Director King. Good evening Mayor Lumber, Mayor Pro Temp Gallagher and members of City Council. And thank you tonight for the opportunity to discuss a long range financial modeling plan for legacy development. And this is something that staff had just started working on, but we want to have a discussion as far as talking about the framework of the model and some of the major considerations that will be going into it. So for tonight's presentation I'm going to touch on in four areas and just a little bit of background information to just give everybody some idea what prompted, what brought us to the discussion tonight. And for this project, staff have engaged municipal advisor, financial advisor firm, Film and Row Lab and associates. And we have Mr. Jim Fabian in the audience. And he will be presenting, he'll go over some of the high level assumptions and considerations that would typically go into a model of this kind. And also we understand financial forecasting typically is a very complex topic. Long-range financial forecasts is not something most people will think about. And we believe audience, when they look at this topic, they will have a better understanding of the concept and the benefits if they can put their eyes on some kind of visual presentation. So to facilitate discussion tonight, Mr. Fabian have constructed a sample model using sample assumptions and that he will discuss at later slides. And lastly, I'll wrap it up with where are we going from this point on. Just a brief history for what brought us to this point. And this, the legacy financial model has been a topic of discussion for a while during the last budget presentation, that last budget preparation throughout the month. And because legacy development is such a complex project and the council has many important decisions to make along the way. And those decisions will have rippling impacts to the city's financial positions as a whole. And the forecasting model really is a valuable tool in the toolbox once developed to identify our obligations, our resources, and be able to look at our options, and that will help the city's long-range forecasting in totality. As I mentioned before, the Film and Roll Lab team will help develop this model. And now I'd like to turn it over to Mr. Fabian to go over the assumptions. Thanks, Jennifer. Good evening, Mayor, members of the City Council, Jim Fabian, Film and Roll lap and Associates. We have been engaged to assist staff in developing this model that we believe will be a very valuable tool to help guide your future decisions as the build out of the legacy project continues. to provide you with the ability to look at different assumptions, change those assumptions, see what the output looks like when you change those assumptions. To be able to give you a tool to really look at the different ways the project can be built out over time. So looking at the framework of the model, the first thing we're going to be looking at is the revenue side of things. The one time revenues that will be paid as the project builds out by people who purchase land within the Tustin Legacy project, you'll have those land sale proceeds from the purchase of the lands. You'll also have the backbone fees that those projects will produce as they build out based upon the type of development that happens and that will either be a number of units if it's a residential project or a square footage if it's a residential project or a square footage, if it's a commercial project. In addition to that, we'll be looking at also the expenditure side of things and using that land sale proceeds in those backbone funds to be able to forecast what money is available for the expenditures for the planned infrastructure that will be required to build out the legacy project, including grading of land, utilities, streets, new parks, and pedestrian bridges. So it will be not only the revenue side but also the expenditure side of thing working with staff to come up with those assumptions of those revenues and those expenditures. Focusing a little bit more on the revenue side, we'll be looking at the revenues that are based upon the development, the actual building of vertical construction either for residential or commercial projects. That's property tax. That's your special tax B that exists in the Tustin Legacy Project, the real property transfer tax and business license tax. We'll also focus on the tax revenues that are based upon the population growth due to new residents actually living in the legacy or shopping or working in the legacy sales tax. We'll also focus on the revenues that are based upon the development as it builds out looking at the planning fees and other building permit fees. And then potentially some other new revenues that might happen as different type of uses are allowed or happen within the legacy. Those could be least revenues from land or transient occupancy tax if a hotel is built within the legacy project. And then looking in detail at each of the expenditures, you're gonna have the additional police and fire cost for the new residents as they, in businesses as they come into the legacy. We're going to be looking at those on a per capita basis, utilizing the information that we have for the existing portions of the city. We're going to be looking at the maintenance costs for the basic infrastructure. That's the streets, the store and drains, the park, the landscaping, street rehabbing costs, and utilizing the city's pavement management process for the new streets that are going to be built, then the utilities, building and planning costs, and then the administrative cost. We're assuming a 15% of the direct cost. And each of these specific revenues and expenditures will be put into the model and will be able to adjust those, it depending upon circumstances as a change if there's a fee increase or there's something else in terms of changes in the different assumptions that are made will be able to adjust the model to reflect that. This, what we tried to do here is to present just two samples of what two different type scenarios might look like. Scenario one is more of a modest buildout of the legacy project with 200 residential units and those units are 1, 1800 square feet on average, roughly a million square footage of the commercial and no office construction. And then you can see we've made some assumptions about the head count. How many people will live in each one of those residential units, two and a half people? How many people will work based upon a thousand square feet of new commercial property. We also looked at the taxable square feet growth. We made some assumptions about beginning balances, what the the land sale revenue would be and then the cost and the difference between scenario one and scenario two is that we assume more residential units in scenario one and scenario two is that we assume more residential units in scenario two and then more office space in this next 10 year period of the scenario one. So this is the type of assumptions that we can build into the model and adjust based upon input from staff as the project is more defined and more development opportunity happens over time. Then what we want to try to be able to do is to be able to present this information in a very visual manner to you to be able to show graphically what it would look like from a net net cash low period. And this is an example of looking at that scenario one versus scenario two. Scenario one being the more conservative approach scenario two having more development. And you can see that this would show the net revenue on a yearly basis to the to the general fund based upon those two different assumptions of the different scenarios. And again, this would be as those assumptions change the output of this graph would change accordingly. And this one would be an example where we're trying to show everything involved with the legacy project over the next 10 year period where we're trying to show those one time revenues as they come in, the net cash flow, and then the accumulation of available funds to see if there's going to be enough money that is generated from the land sales, from the one-time fees, the reoccurring revenues to be able to fund the required infrastructure. And I'm going to turn it back that. I'm going to have to do that. I'm going to have to do that. I'm going to have to do that. I'm going to have to do that. I'm going to have to do that. I'm going to have to do that. I'm going to have to do that. I'm going to have to do that. I'm going to have to do that. I'm going to like to get some feedback from you and our next step going forward once we have the feedback. And it is important to have accuracy in your assumption that underlying data of the model is really important for in order to build a solid strong model. And so we're gonna spend a lot of time on vetting those assumptions, going through our data, and really put it, consider our possibilities. And so that's where we are heading. Happy to answer any questions. Thank you. I'm gonna open public input because I think this might be quick and we can bring it back for questions. Thank you. I'm going to open public input because I think this might be quick. And we can bring it back for discussion. Thank you, Jennifer. Public input, if any members of the public wish to address the council, please submit a request to speak for them. If you're participating through Zoom, please raise your hand. Madam City Clerk, any requests to speak? And not for this item, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. I'll start by saying thank you to staff and our consultants for the work done so far. I think this is a good model. It needs certainly some data inputs. That will be proven over time. And I appreciate the comments that this is a dynamic model. It's not static as we realize land sales and infrastructure costs and the like that will update this. And I think our decision making moving into the future will be better as we get land sales and infrastructure costs and the like that will update this and I think our decision making moving into the future will be better as we get more data and then just to kind of zoom out for the council you know I was one of the ones that asked for this model we have a tremendous project to complete out on the test and legacy a lot of costs a lot of revenue and at times it feels like we don't have the end in sight. And so this helps us make sure that we do have the funds necessary. And informs our land use decisions if we do have revenue shortfalls. And we need to consider other options. Or if we want to do something fun like build a pedestrian bridge on a quicker timeline, do we have the funds enabled to do that? Can we accommodate changing schedules? So I appreciate staff support and helping guide our policy making decisions. And for the public, you know, give a lot of questions about what the plans are. We're embarking on this overall revisioning of test and legacy. This tool will help us keep our hand on the wheel and make sure that we're moving forward in a very methodical and purposeful way. So thank you to staff. I'll open up for discussion. Anybody have comments? Councilmember Gomez. Yeah, I think this is a really worthwhile endeavor to try to model this out. We've had a few blips, right, with COVID and hang our fire. So for us to try to look forward and figure out what we have, what we need to spend, what our commitments are. I think this will be really valuable. And as we are able to populate real data into this, I think it will be even more valuable. So I'm looking forward to this. Thank you. Your approach, Ed? I've been talking about this item for certainly more than a year. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. Any approach on? I've been talking about this item for certainly more than a year. And so I'm very excited to see it even in a preliminary form that we're moving down this path. It's absolutely essential as we're making decisions particularly on the south hangar, parcel 18. We talked about bridges. Knowing that we're not making these financial commitments, only to find ourselves in a major deficit 20 years down the line. The other scenario, so I think there's several scenarios, including the ones I mentioned, that this model will be helpful for. The other one would be expediting the actual delivery. So looking at a scenario of a 50 year or whatever our current pace works out to versus a 20 year. And then once we've established what those savings are, we can work backwards to actually have a firm plan in place on when we're going to start doing that and start to answer questions about, do we need to look at infrastructure financing? How are we funding these? How are we disposing of property? Is it in small pieces or larger pieces? This model should help to answer some of those unknowns and a lot of the questions that we've been asking in the last few years. So give us some clarity in our decision making. And then I do want to point out that we did tonight approve as part of the consent calendar, the subcommittee on the Tuscan legacy. So my hope would be that this model continues to be refined to the point that starting early next year, we can start to maybe put some meat around what those scenarios are and be able to use this model in a productive manner so that we have the outputs as part of our decision making going into this public facing outreach that's going to be occurring next year. So thank you so much for the progress and I'm very excited about having this new tool. Further comments, discussion? Against motion now? Sure. Great. Thank you. Very helpful. I mean, like, that data is key, especially financial modeling is really important. You're looking at kind of the size and scope of a project like the Tufts and Legacy. I think it also helps us prioritize projects and it bounces kind of the capital expenditures that we have to lay out as a city. And we can bounce that also with the needs of the resident of our residents and what they want to see built and what time frame in the TUSL legacy. It also helps us figure out the best way to maximize enterprise value of the land that we have there. So again, these financial models are gonna be critical kind of our North Star that help guide us and again prioritize which projects make the most sense at what time. One quick question I had is how often will we be reviewing updating this financial model and is there still latitude to change the inputs if need be based on changing circumstances? This model is designed to be updated once it's established is designed to be updated continuously. And certainly whenever we start looking at budget numbers, and this will be a helpful tool to have. And so it will be constantly updated. Okay, all right, thank you. Thank you for the comments. I think you brought up a good point that this will also inform our annual budget process, right? We can see how much money we've got in the accounts for legacy. And oftentimes we're asked to make one time transfers and without this overall information, it's difficult to make those decisions in isolation. So it's gonna be very useful. I guess I'll move staff recommendation. I'm not really clear, we're receiving a report and then providing directions to not sure if we need a roll call vote, Mr. City Attorney. Well, if there was a motion, I would recommend a roll. I'm going to move staff recommendation with incorporating the direction that you've received to continue to update the model. You know, have some real data and inputs and then if staff would just report back to the council either the briefings or council meetings on somewhat regular basis until we get this fleshed out. That would be very helpful. I'll second it. Motion in a second. Madam City Clerk, we'll call vote please. Council Member Schnell. Aye. Council Member Gomez. Yes. Council Member Clark. Yes. Mayor Perkins and Gallagher. Aye. Mayor Limbar. Aye. for the first time. Thank you. Thank you. Next, next, next, next, next, next, next, next, next, next, next, next, for a second opportunity to present this item. And so the item before you tonight is the proposed update changes to our purchasing policy. And this is for discussion, for the council's discussion tonight. And the areas I like to cover in my presentation tonight, and they are summarized on this slide. would like to start with some background information and this has this project has been in the work for a long while now get to tonight's discussion. And also before staff started looking at updating policy, we first took a survey with our neighboring agencies. So we want to find out what our peers are doing. Every agency has procurement policy. And we also, staff also lean on recommendations from professional associations. In this case will be California Association of Public Procurement Officers. So we picked up some of the recommendations. They disseminated to their members. And there are three areas that staff is proposing changes in the four consideration. And those areas are bidding thresholds and council approval of contracts and reporting contracts to council. And based on research, based on industrial best practice, staff have developed some recommendations for the council's consideration and discussion tonight. And finally, I'll wrap it up with where we're going next. So just a little background information. And as I mentioned, this project has been in the work for a while. It originated last September, almost a year ago, from Council Member Gallagher and Mayor Lambert. And so the request to review the purchasing policy, it was unanimously approved by the City Council. And last October, the Council also approved a tentative project timeline to update the policy. But it was delayed because the extraordinary fire hangar incident. This past June, the Council approved a new timeline to update the policy. Tonight's discussion is the second step of that project timeline. So as I mentioned before, we took recommendations. We lean on some recommendations from professional associations and one of the recommendations from Cabo, which is the Public Procurement Officer Association, is that an agency should review its policy every two to three years to stay current with regulations and best practices. And the last time the city updated its purchasing policy was about 10 years ago in 2014. So we'll do for a review and update. I also mentioned before that we survey our peer agencies just to see how we fare among our neighbors. So this is a summary of the current purchasing levels, mostly bidding thresholds at different agencies. There are 18 cities and one joint power authority and one special district. And the top green line represents what our current policy has. And as you can see, 10 years ago, maybe our current policy thresholds were pretty good, but we have falling behind. We are now our current thresholds more or less at the lower end of the range among our peers. We are way below the average dollar threshold among agencies. And the average threshold, the medium range among agencies is at the bottom of the slide in orange. range. And so our no quote, our requirement for no quotes require, it's right now stands at 1,000 and out range for informal code. It's a thousand to 10,000 and our formal code formal bidding starts at 10,000. That's for goods only. And so staff is proposing an increase to those thresholds. And this is a summary page of the threshold staff is proposing. And so for the no bidding requirements, we are proposing to increase the threshold to 40,000. And for informal quotes for tangible goods and the informal threshold is 40,000 to 65,000. That can be used under informal quotes and 40,000 to 100,000 for general service that can be used on the informal quotes. We segregated general service from professional service because they typically evaluate based on different criteria. Again, that's based on recommendations from professional association. And the formal bidding threshold, the recommendation is for tangible goods. It's starting at 65,000 and for general services, it starts at 100,000. And the last section on this slide is regarding professional service. And right now, professional service and right now professional service, it's not required to have RFP or quote. It's only when practical. So the change staff it's proposing will require at least one quote when the professional service contract your audio is under 65,000 and three quotes when the value is under 65,000. And three quotes when the value is over 65,000. And professional service is typically not evaluated on cost space and cost is not the most important factor. So it's usually qualification experience base. And that's consistent with professional practice. Moving on to the next category that's being looked at is the contract approval category and the current policy only requires contracts to come before the city council for approval whether it's vehicles and heavy equipment over 25,000 that is for individual approval of purchase. And all other purchases are approved within the budget. And staff has several options. There are several options that other agencies are using and staff is It's providing these options for this for council's discussion and we are so For vehicle and equipments we are proposed also proposing to increase the 25,000 threshold to 65,000 and for services staff is recommending council approval threshold at 200,000. And the last section that's being looked at is the reporting section. And right now this is primary related to service contracts and service contracts. Right now it's not required to be separately reported to council. And there are a variety of ways contracts can be reported to the council. And staff have outlined four options, A through D. And by no means they are not the only options, and they can, they are just some of the ways other agencies have used more often to report contracts to council, and council can decide on any of them or variation of them. And for reporting contract purposes, staff also recommending the threshold to be 200,000, meaning contracts over 200,000 will be reported to Council. And on this slide, I put all three sections onto one slide. Just maybe sometimes it's a little easier to look at all three of them together. This really just recaps the slides that you saw earlier. Moving on to the recommendation. The recommendation is just looking at the changes and the practices and other agencies thresholds and staff is recommending a bidding threshold change and also the setting the reporting and contract approval threshold at 200,000. And for the next step and tonight is for Council to consider a proposed changes and give directions and the tentative schedule is to bring back a red line ordinance at our next meeting October 1st and that will be the first reading of the proposed ordinance. And the second reading of the proposed ordinance if approved on October 1st, then it will be October 15. And it will be the second reading of the proposed ordinance. And once that's approved, the new ordinance will take you 30 days from that. Happy to answer any questions. All right. Thank you for the presentation. Do you have questions before I open public input? We'll bring it back for discussion after that. Yeah, I'm going to press them. I just want to make sure I understand. So with the staff recommendation, really the separate reporting with regards to quarterly reporting, all that really goes away because if every contract over 200,000 is coming to the council, it's being reported every time. Just want to make sure that's clear. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions before I open public input? Okay. Thank you, John. I'm sure we'll call you back up in a second here. Public input. If any members of the public wish to address the council, please submit a request to speak for them. If you're participating through Zoom, please raise your hand. Madam City Clerk, any requests to speak? No, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. We'll close public input and bring it back to the council. If we could, these staff recommendations are helpful. If we could bring up slide number eight, again, the last one, which kind of laid out the three categories and the options. Thank you. There are some options here, so I think staff is requesting direction from Councillor on what we want to do here. I appreciate the work that staff's done on this front as well. It's kind of related to the last item that we had and being transparent and making sure that we have good data going into our policy decision making. And obviously, the first couple of slides are clear that we needed to catch up with long overdue updates to our policy. So I appreciate that. I look at this as two different things. One, we have the purchasing procedures and policies for obtaining competitive bids, RFP's, or quotes. The other is an oversight function of the City Council, which I personally do not believe we are exercising right now under the current policy. Other than improving vehicle purchases, which we do frequently for PD and public works and the like, we have some very large contracts professionally and professional services Space that we're utilizing to execute projects out on the Tuscan legacy and I don't feel like I'm getting enough information I'm under the current policy to really be educated and make good decisions on that So that it was the impetus for the request at an air pro time I think probably had some similar requests, but I appreciate staff working with us to craft this policy and catch us up in right size what we need. So I'll make a recommendation later when I want to open up for discussion. First, anybody have comments? Let me say, Mayor Pro Tem? Chomp it up a bit. Yeah, this item has been on my list again for a while, so we're doing a lot of cleanup tonight. And I do appreciate the staff's willingness to do the legwork and actually come up with these comparisons. I think it's very comprehensive. I know in my own personal dealings in my professional life, I've worked with dozens of agencies, and it is very typical to go. Actually, more steps than this, especially with special districts that have committees and then boards, it can take months to get to a finalized contract. I recognize that there is some efficiency loss in that, but I think as staff become more used to the process, you account for that in the overall schedules, and ultimately it benefits us as policymakers, but also the public because all of these transactions are completely transparent. You can go back and search them. And if we're doing this right, when it becomes agendas, you made a comment in there that the selection process is both documented and retained. And so it's a very simple agenda report, which states RFP was sent out. These were the respondents, these were the interviews. Here's the final scoring, and here's the recommended selection. It just documents that the process was followed and that we made a selection within state law on our own code, which is qualification-based selections for professional services. So, I do also want to point out we just went through this with Orange County San and while we're adding an extra layer of steps, we're also actually adding to efficiency. You saw those numbers for informal quotes, formal bids. Those are all very low reflective of 2014 numbers. So, I want back almost an extra 10 years, although they were reflective of 2004 as well. So, we're actually gonna give some more efficiency on those smaller contracts because we're bringing those dollar thresholds up in line with current pricing. So, I do think while we're adding an extra layer, we are adding some efficiency at that level. So, I'm absolutely prepared to move the staff recommendation when ready. Thank you. Further comments? Council Member Schnell? Thank you very much for putting this together. Appreciate it. So, you know, I think this helps. I mean, looking at the last set of thresholds from 10 years ago, they don't certainly apply to today. So I agree with Mayor Pro Tem. It definitely ties into our overall philosophy about streamlining the way that we conduct business in the city, so the streamlining test and effort, certainly cascading out to this. It allows us to be much more nimble. It helps reduce delays and red tape. It accelerates the execution for the residents of Tustin. And it really helps empower the city manager and staff and leaders on his staff to make quicker decisions. And again, as long as the thresholds are at a dollar level that are commiserate with the, you know, with the, the overall project and the expense. So I think it's smart that we're doing this and they're moving this direction. So I would move it as well. Council member Clark. Welcome to you, Becky. Jennifer, thank you for all your work tonight. You've kind of been having to do more than your share today. Just curious so you may have mentioned this. Did this come through committee first? This was a request? No? OK. I thought I heard it was a request from the item request. Yeah. OK. This was requested by Mayor Proteman, myself, as a Nijan item. Oh, I was, okay, gotcha, okay. Yeah, I think overall, can we go back to the slide where it compares, we're compared to the other cities, Africa, which slide that was. Okay. So what our current, let's just go in the first category. Does it look like we're in line with like La Palma and La Habra? I mean cities that were so different from and bigger and more dynamic and more complex and so yeah just a big sense that we're moving in this direction. I'm curious with just the change in the bidding process and this could be just a pinion so you don't have to answer if it's not applicable. But would you say that this helps in kind of diversity, equity, and inclusion in terms of opening up the pool of people that can bid on these different services or does it make it tougher or harder or less accessible just from your view? And I think it does. In the sense that you will require all general service contracts to be competitively bit it. And so I think you give more opportunity to other firms. Because right now the current policy does not require bidding on service contracts. Yeah, okay, great. Thank you. Yes. I'm a little bit concerned about the $40,000 no quotes. When you say no quotes, are we really meaning no quotes that somebody in the department is just making the decision to go with a particular vendor? Or are they getting their informal quotes? Really means there's no need for more than one quotes. Okay. That really concerns me because again with transparency. Unfortunately in my career, I've seen some things go sideways when people have the ability to purchase things. And it's the old, you know, I'm going to give it to my brother-in-law type of thing and not go out and get the best price for the city. So I do have some concerns about that high threshold and the fact that there are no quotes other than the one that they're going to purchase from. So I do have some concern about that because 40K, even the things have gone up, no question, that's still a high number. Also, this brought to mind the credit card situation. You know, we in our agenda packet, we have lots of line items. Is there a maximum for one person to charge on a credit card? Yes. Every city city credit card has monthly limit and a transaction limit. Okay, depending on the person who's holding it and their position. Is that correct? Okay. All right. Okay, that's it for right now. Thank you. Yeah. One more question, Jennifer. Do staff have to submit any kind of conflict of interest form when they're proposing a quote for purchasing items or service? So a part of the change staff is proposing is to have prohibited activities outlined in the ordinance. So that's a section that's being added that's being proposed. So those who are for under the conflict of interest, it's also being addressed there. Okay. Okay, thank you. And then if we could bring back up slide 8. It'll be helpful. This one? Yeah, that one. Thank you. So, the first four lines here are a recap of what we just saw on that slide that Councillor Marklark requested to look at. And then on service contracts, this really comes to the Council oversight function. I'm personally in favour of option 2, which is we approve any contract over 200,000, which is the staff identified threshold. I think that takes care of the reporting issue that Mayor Portem mentioned. We don't need a separate reporting function if these contracts are coming to council anywhere. There will be a part of the agenda report. And then I'm comfortable with the new values for the quotes. I'd also be open entertaining a different number on that low end there for the no bidding, but I think these are based on benchmarking against our neighbors and also taking into account the reality that we have some very large contracts and large requirements for materials because of the legacy project. So I think that's the context of why we may not look like La Palma or La Habra, because it just, we are a little different organization. But so my recommendation would be option two for that middle section, and then I would be willing to move staff recommendation or talk about a lower threshold for the informal quotes if that's something council wants to talk about a lower threshold for the formal or informal quotes if that's something council wants to talk about. I would like to see a combination of two and three. I think two incorporates three of I understand it correctly right? Two is approve all contracts and three is only approve real property and capital improvement. I think two is yeah everything. Can we have staff confirm my understanding? Yes. Yes. And that threshold would be what number? 200,000. Okay. I'll second. Good luck with that. I wanted to give you an opportunity for a number of things. Council member Gomez just said there was a, I mean, I'm fine with looking at the lowest threshold of 40,000, is there a number that you'd be more comfortable with? I'd be more comfortable with 20,000 or 25. If you look at that average, that we looked at, I think the average was like 14,000. And there were some that were ridiculously low, like 500 or even zero. I mean, I'd be fine with 25,000. Yeah. I just think it provides a little more transparency. I would add that it doesn't add transparency. It's just a threshold. So if you're over 25,000, you're just asking for quotes. We still don't see it. The public doesn't see it. I just $40,000 doesn't mean that they aren't going to get quotes. It just doesn't require them to. And so it gives flexibility when you do have smaller. That contract range, I'll just tell you from what I've seen, it's very difficult to get people to bid on a dollar amount that low because the amount of time that goes into it and what you end up doing is trying to get them to provide a quote, knowing that you're not going to select them. And vendors don't want to work. It's just difficult to get vendors to do that for you over and over again. And so it's just, it's going to speed up. And then it doesn't mean that we don't have budgets. It doesn't mean that there is an oversight from staff. It just means that they can, if it's a $30,000 contract, get a quote, they can get multiple. I trust that staff is trying to stay within the budgets that were authorized by the council, and that they're doing their best to deliver the greatest value. And the $40,000 isn't a number picked out of the air, whereas the $25,000 really is. The $40,000 is based on staff recommendation that did the research and had the industry best practices. So, and also that doesn't put us at the highest in that list. So, I would say this, we're making a lot of changes right now. Let's not try to burn in the staff with more. Let's just say let's come back in a year and look at it. Maybe there's other tweaks we want to make, or two years, which is actually the industry best practice. So we don't need to make it all tonight. I just would hate to as we add this burden at the top level where it matters the most to go down to the bottom level. These are the most transactions. We make maybe a dozen that are over the 200,000 threshold a year. So we're adding a burden there, but to take this $25,000 limit we're adding more burn. But getting quotes is making sure that you're getting the value that you need. Even if it's a smaller item, you're still getting the value. And I think that vendors that deal with that smaller volume are used to quoting. In my experience, at the community college, we had to get at least three quotes. in my experience, you know, at the community college, we had to get at least three quotes, if it was over, I don't even remember what the number was, but it was something like 10,000. You know, again, it's another public entity that we had to be mindful of. I mean, we're using, you know, public dollars here, so that was what we needed to do. But it's not unusual to get those quotes. Because they're used to quoting. If I could concur with Council Member Gomez, I work in the community college system as well. I think it's part of Edco that you have to get a certain number of quotes for different items. And, you know, I'd be okay with leaving the threshold at 40,000 like you mentioned MirproTem that you came up with this number for a reason but I think getting a few quotes doesn't hurt it it I think the practice of it actually helps staff in any sector remember that we are using public dollars this is not you know the path of least resistance to, you know, find one quote and then move on. It's to ensure that we're getting the best deal for the people, for the public. And it's hard to do that if you're only required to get one quote. Just the exercise of getting at least a couple, I think is it's just healthy practice and I don't think it it's too too cumbersome for the vendors and staff as well you know if we were asking for like 10 quotes and yeah that would be really tough but I think you know two max three so maybe leaving the threshold the same but if we left threshold the same, I would still like to see us get at least two if not three quotes just to make sure that you're getting the value that you're expecting. And again, I'm getting a little nervous to even thinking about this because I think back during the pandemic, we would get quotes on, say gowns for our dental clinic. We'd get it at 8 o'clock in the morning and as we're getting other quotes and then later in the day when we'd go back to make sure we were getting what we needed, not only to protect our students, but to protect the public and be mindful of public dollars. Let me ask staff, is it going to create a large burden if we change the threshold from 40 to $30,000 or something like that? I mean, are we making a mountains out of mole hills here? And I think that even as 30,000 it will be a significant improvement from where we are now. It's not really that big of a deal. You know, I'll recommend 30,000 just to kind of get us between 40 and 1,000, which I think is the current rule. So that's kind of ridiculous. So I'm going to make a motion to move staff recommendation adjusting that lowest threshold from 40 to 30,000 and adopting option two under the service contracts. Do I have a second? Second. All right. Sorry to cut the conversation shortly. I can't give you that. I tried to accommodate. Madam City try to you know accommodate. Yeah Madam City clerk roll call please Councilmember still. Hi councilmember Gomez. Yes councilmember Clark. Hi may you present Gallagher. Hi me your lumber. Hi motion passes 5-0 Thank you. Thank you Jennifer We won't make you stand up and come back to the Next we have other business mr. City Manager, do you have a report tonight? Thank you, Mayor. Just a quick update. It was great to celebrate Captain Nichol tonight in her 25 years with the organization. We've got some other hires. I think you're going to help us achieve the vision of the council. We hired Micah Weinbrook in our economic development department as an economic development specialist. It was fun as I walked around City Hall to see him train with our business license team, also our building division. He's gonna be the tip of the spear with our business concierge program. So we're gonna improve our services to our business community. In our city manager's office, we hired Melanie Francis Keating as a senior management analyst, which is gonna help us get more creative and efficient with our administrative practices, citywide and be able to support council at a higher level. And then in regards to succession planning, Candice Cava will be retiring in the near future. And we hired Kenny Wynn as the city engineer, so we've got some really good overlap during that time, so we can retain some of that institutional knowledge. And last but not definitely not least, Mike Grizzo, his services are acting public work director for almost a year now, and he was appointed as the permanent public works director and we know Mike's going to help us with all things in our public realm. That concludes my stay. Thank you. Mr. City Attorney, do you have a report tonight? I have no further report this evening. Thank you. We'll bring it back to council for Councilmember comments and reports councilmember Stelr. My congratulations like said heavy the head that wears the crown so Very happy to see in the position August 28th attended the mayor's business recognition luncheon actually went up here did it was really a great a great event We celebrated the hard work in the entrepreneurial spirit, the success of local testing businesses, had a lot of laughs. And I think the highlight was probably Gavin Bartese, the nine-year-old Becky being a coach and a lover of softball. It's seeing this young kid as an entrepreneur going on shark tank and then having his glove wrap which actually is a thick elastic band and help break in gloves and I remember Becky talking about the way she used to do it and how this is going to help actually improve on that process. That was pretty cool August 29th. Went to the Transit Quarter agencies policy and agreement ad hoc and we really focused on the 241-91 connector project, which is supposed to break ground, hopefully by the end of 2025 with completion in 2028, which will alleviate a lot of the congestion on that exchange between the 241 heading into the 91. We also discuss different ways that we can actually model out controlling the flow of traffic at peak hours. So we talked about dynamic pricing and toll meters and HOV only and transit, VAMPL mode. So no final decisions have a mage yet. We're trying to figure out the best way to make sure that people get the truest benefit out of that exchange is going to be built. September 10th, the 10th of the monthly Tufts and Community Center meeting. We had Chamber, we had, we had Jerry Craig was there from, from economic development. I participated, we had folks from the marketplace and we talked about all the different happenings and new businesses and the projects that are going to be coming into Into that area September 12th at 10 of the joint TCA meeting and we approved the habitat Conservation Fund allocation so that was a settlement agreement that was a result of San an o for a coalition and we had to obligate about $20 million in funds. So we made a decision to allocate $8 million to smaller near term conservation projects, like habitat restoration and also some smaller property acquisitions. And those need to be done by 2025 and then another 20 million would be allocated and spend by 2030 on sizable property acquisitions again that will maintain the ecology and the habitat in those areas. And that is all I have for my report. Thank you. That's a woman Clark. Thank you, mayor proctor. Since our last meeting also attended the Mayor's Business Recognition Luncheon, I mentioned at the event. It's one of my favorite events because I always meet new folks. It's the business owners that are busy running their businesses that get to come out and we get to celebrate them and recognize them. And just a shout out and thank you to Stephanie and the here for all your work and helping with that event every year. It's always fun and well done. That same week I got to present on behalf of the City Council a certificate from the City of Testant to Dishon Foster who's now the head coach for UCLA football. He was inducted into the Test and High School athletic Hall of Fame so that was pretty pretty neat to do that. And then this past weekend, I also got to present a certificate to working wardrobes who was celebrating their annual event and fundraiser. And then just wishing everyone a national Hispanic heritage month that starts September 15th and goes through October 15th. Good timing, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. What did I miss? Council Member Gomez? Thank you. On August 21st, I attended the team luncheon, which is the Test and Effective Apartment Managers luncheon, and they talked about affordable housing. They wanted to learn more about that. And Jerry Craig was our speaker on the 28th. I also attend the business recognition luncheon and yes, Mr. Gavin was was my favorite. I won't repeat the story of how I used to break in my gloves. But thanks to Stephanie and Jerry Craig for putting that on. On September 5th, I attended the Senior Advisory Board, which I'll report on next meeting. On the 6th, I attended the B Red Cross Reddy, which is a disaster preparedness which was sponsored by Assembly Woman, Coddy Petrie, Norris. That was a really good workshop, and I think that's probably something we probably need to have again, but it was all about what to do in the event of a disaster, and we've seen what's happened all over the country and throughout the world with flooding and fires, and so on and so forth. Looking forward to, well, I'm looking forward to the sunset market, sad that it's the last one of the season but hopefully everybody will come out and support the vendors that are out there and I will have to say that there's some of the vendors that went to our small business program some of them are out there so please stop by and see them and Jerry will point them out if you don't know who they are and then congratulations and welcome to all of our new So please stop by and see them. And Jerry will point them out if you don't know who they are. And then congratulations and welcome to all of our new employees and as well as those that were promoted. So thank you. Hey, Proto. All right. First off, thank you to Test and Police for putting on yet another really engaging and fun open house. I know my kids loved it. Unfortunately, you had it on one of the hottest days. So that was a little bit of a bummer, but we hit it right at 11, so it was good. Sunset market, also, bum that this is the last one, but excited to attend. One thought is, you know, this is the first time we did this. I've heard great feedback from those that attended, and I've also heard from people that didn't even know it was happening and they live not too far away and I you know that's just probably something that comes with being a first time event but it would be interesting as we close out the final sunset market and you kind of check back in with the vendors kind of get some feedback on maybe what your plans you know we can make sure that we're going to do this again next year but maybe what maybe changes you might be making next time. So I think it'll be a good time to kind of debrief and reset for next year. I wanted to congratulate Mr. Grisso on this new position, well deserved, and I have an item for you. So you earned it, man. You're too good at your job. So I've brought this up before. It's the, it's the Moffit opening into a legacy magnet academy. And I know we had done some investigating and I thought we hit some, you know, kind of hit a roadblock and at least from what we understood to be the constraints. And then we had at our, at our discussion with TUSD last month, their interest in the walk to school safety, and they were committed to that. And so to me, those two things aligned. And I've been approached now by others in the community that are catching wind of this idea and are really excited about or interested. And so I understand that there may be some continuing conversation going on with TUSD. So certainly want to make sure that we're all prized of the feedback that comes from that and really understanding what our options are to create that walkway. And so best of luck. All right, that's it. Thank you. Thank you. Just real briefly, no real report I just wanted to mention. And hopefully it wasn't mentioned when I was out, but Annette Bartolomucci passed away on August 24th. She ran Mrs. Bees. Thank you to Regina Blinkenhorn for informing the Council of her passing, but she ran Mrs. Bees where the Test and Hardware store building still sits and where a vital book company is currently occupying. But she was Mrs. B. And that bottle of luchy was a very spunky lady. Had a lot of opinions. She was an educator for a long time. And testing unified, very nice and kind woman who welcomed a lot of people into her storefront for over 20 years there. So I just wanted to give a shout out to her and her family and our thoughts and prayers are with the family. With that, we will adjourn tonight's meeting. The next meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, October 1st, 2024 for the closed session meeting at 5.30 and the regular business meeting at 7.00 pm. Thank you, have a good night. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. 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