I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. Good evening. I'd like to call to order our City Council study session for Tuesday, September 10, 2024, and ask Councilmember Tadeo to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. All right. Thank you. the process. All right. Thank you. Before we get into the meat of our agenda, one thing to note, the last item on our agenda will not happen. The department update will be postponed to another study session in the future. So just so you know that. First, let's go to the next meeting. So, let's go to the next meeting. So, let's go to the next meeting. So, let's go to the next meeting. So, let's go to the next meeting. So, let's go to the next meeting. So, let's go to the next meeting. So, let's go to the next meeting. So, let's go to the next meeting. So, let's go to the next meeting. Mayor and Council. The Parks and Recreation Advisory Board is recommending the appointment of Megan Mothershed as an alternate member of their board. If you noticed in your packet, there was a summary. So I hope that helped to answer some questions. Anybody have any questions about her? I don't see any problem with that. Thank you so much. Thank you. Next, we get the main part of the agenda is the Sister Cities Update. City Manager Martinez, please introduce our presenter. Thank you, Mayor. At this time, I will ask our presenters for the Sister Cities Update to come up. It's been a while since we've had an update on the Sister Cities program. So I'm looking forward to hearing the conversation. And with that, I will turn it over to Ken Kreitzer and gang. Welcome folks. Good evening, Mayor Council. I think I know everybody I'm Ken Kreitzer. I am president of Brighton Sister Cities once again. And it's an honor to be here tonight to give you kind of a story of Brighton Sister Cities. What we'll do is I'll give you a little bit of the past. We have some people here to maybe talk a little bit about the present. And then we'll talk briefly about the future of Brighton sister city going forward. Sister city's international was created by President Eisenhower in 1956. And in a conference, he talked about two deeply held convictions that unite us in a common purpose. The first was a belief in effective and responsive local government as a principle bullwack of freedom. And I think we can all agree with that. And the second one was our faith in the great promise of people to people and sister cities affiliation helping build a solid structure of world peace. And that started the whole sister city's movement back in 1956. I think it's interesting that President Eisenhower was so involved in world peace and people to people and tonight, we're all going to race home and watch a debate that could hopefully spring some of that. I hope we have too much divide. So this is a good way to get things started. Over, since 1956, there are over 300 member communities worldwide with 2,000 partnerships. Many of them having more than one in 140 countries that are involved in the Sister Cities Movement worldwide. At about 1993, a gentleman from Brighton who was grew up in Poland, Henry Ross, his Polish name is Henry Rosyushewski. Henry was back in his hometown of Worszlaf Poland and he was talking to some people and enjoying the cold one on the plazas as they do in Poland. And he was approached by some individuals, some government officials from the town of Jambica, about 45 minutes away from Bordzloff. And asked if he was from the US and then said, would you know of a community that might be interested in becoming a sister, cities with us? Because they were looking to form a relationship in the United States. And so I think many of you know Henry, and if you don't know Henry, Henry doesn't take no for an answer. And he's kind of a get it done guy. And as a matter of selling and it took him, it took him some time to build up the, I don't know, the storm would take to create a sister city's with Jim Beats and he thought Brighton would be the perfect city that would be the perfect sister city to Jean-Bita at the time, Brighton and Jean-Bita were pretty close in size. Just we were about 15,000, they're about 10,000 and just a lot of things lined up and there was really four main focuses at the time that they were gonna focus on. Education, medicine, agriculture and government. And so kind of a start of a committee and I'm going to leave some people out. But the first couple exchanges and so forth, getting things going, meal flesh hour, represented education, Janinsl Vinzki and Darryl Myers. We're kind of the force behind the agriculture, Susan Petrako, who's with us tonight, was kind of the force behind agriculture. Bob Grant kind of was there for some government. And the discussion was started. And I know I've had talks with former Mayor Hamstra and even former Mayor Lucero, that Henry just wasn't gonna go away. And so he sold it, and I remember being a Quanian in Brighton and them coming before Brighton-Quantus and talking about it, and I'm thinking, what would we wanna do and pull it? And a bit lack of foresight on my part of the time turned into a life changing experience for me. And so on August 15, 1995, resolution 95-27 was signed by Mayor Handtressor and supported by the City Council that time, starting the Sister City Movement with Brighton and Jambita. And ironically, 29 years ago, yesterday, on September 9th, 1995, Mayor Novak and Jambita finalized the agreement and our Sister City's organization has begun. And when you, after that you say, and like they say, the rest is history. It has changed the lives of hundreds of people on both sides. And since then, our focus is really changed to, we really focus on the youth exchange and the cultural exchange of getting the youth from Brighton and the youth from Jean-Bietzeth to go and understand each other's cultural where they live, what it's like, and so forth. So the youth exchange has become our focus over time. And we do that through a youth exchange where on even years we go to Jambitza and on odd years they come here and as the case this this year we went there. We also kind of changed our really changed, we added to our focus this past couple of years in our sister city's organization. And I'll give credit to the simcoxes for really taking the ball and helping them because when the war broke out in the Ukraine, a lot of the refugees went to Jim Beats and all the other communities around Poland to find a safe place to live and a place the community. And I think that's why we're doing this. And I think that's why we're doing this. And I think that's why we're doing this. And I think that's why we're doing this. And I think that's why we're doing this. And I think that's why we're doing this. And I think that's why we're doing this. them washing machines appliances, food supplies and so forth. on a continual basis today that any of the, the refugees that still are there can go and pick up food and effort. So those efforts continue today. My family got involved in 2004, and I had no clue at the time how much it was gonna change our life. It's 20 years ago. I took my son and my daughter as a way to take them under trip and it really changed our lives. Since then I've been there seven times. My wife, Judy's been there five times. All of my children have been there most of them multiple times. In my home alone, we've hosted over six students, five adults have stayed with us for a duration of an exchange. Our exchange is generally last three weeks. And there are many families in this community that can say the same as me. Over 200 students, 100 adults have gone back and forth over the now 29 years. Brighton sister cities and their affiliation as Jembeets have become international award winners through sister cities international twice. The last time was in 2012 when with the help of the city of Brighton, We erected our Polkasky gate structure in Sister City's Park, the play structure that the kids still enjoyed today in Sister City's Park. It's also resulted in sex honorary citizens from of Shimbita from Brighton. There are six of us, Henry Ross, Susan Petrako, Neil Flesher, myself, Stephen Bonnie Simcox, have all been honored in Jembeeta as honorary citizens of the city of Jembeeta. And I might add that gives us free burial if we need it. There has been one citizen from Jembeeta who was given the honor in 2015. Richard Novak was honored by the City Council of Brighton as an honorary citizen of Brighton. So we've really gained a long time experience. That's a little bit of the past we can go there. We had nine students and three shaperones that represented Brighton and Brighton sister cities and they went to Jambita at the end of May through the first two weeks in June and I'm going to let them tell about their experiences. So I'm going to let Kathy Roybal introduce your crew and talk about Jambita. Okay. Push your microphones. You guys all have to Beats. Okay. Push your microphones. You guys all have to speak too. Okay. You're right. I'll turn your seat. Hi, I'm Kathy Ryball. This is my husband Gus Ryball. This is Vincent Rizasco. He was one of our students and Justin Mayet. He was another chaperone with us. We were really excited to become a part of this program last year when we hosted a student. We hosted a young woman named Amelia and she stayed with us for three weeks and was just a wonderful, wonderful young woman. She was friendly and spoke, I mean, almost perfect English, and was just so excited to be in the United States. My daughter and her got along really well. We went there, and my daughter was able to stay with her family this summer, and they are already planning Amelia to come back next summer. We'll see if that happens. But you know, they're planning to spend lots of time together like Ken said. If that's possible to continue their relationship, they've just really hit it off. We were really excited to be chaperones because not only did we take our daughter, we stayed in a different with a different family than our daughter, we stayed in a different, with a different family than our daughter, but we were out there with her. We were able to take Vincent and another family, friends, son, so we knew the kids really well, and then we were able to take six other kids who were amazing. We were told repeatedly that it was the best group that ever attended. I don't know if they were lying to us, but trying to be nice. But they kept saying the kids were, you know, just so great. And we certainly agreed. We were so proud of them at every, every moment of the trip. So I'm going to pass it on. Vincent, did you want to say anything? I think they probably want to hear mostly what you have to say. What do you like? What do you like? What's this? When I first joined, I was the only guy going. There was only six of us. But then I think by the last meeting, there was more guys than girls, which was nice figures. But we did a lot. We went hiking, graafting, bike riding. We went to different cities multiple times in Poland. I don't know. He just did so much. We hung out every day all through the night. It was just what it is an experience that I'll never forget. And I'll tell my kids someday. Yeah so you know Kathy and I we've been hearing about the sister sees program for many years. We are we both teaching the school district and we've been teaching there for over over 20 years 30 years for Kathy and we have known a lot of shaperones and kids who have taken advantage of the program and so we were just really thankful that we could take take advantage of it this summer and like Vincent said we we had an amazing experience. You know we obviously were able to tour Zimbita and some of the neighboring towns. We were hosted by local mayors and local city council. And they gave us warm welcomes and tours of all of the small towns around Zimbita. We went on trips to Rochloff and were Henry's from. And we also took a trip to crack out. And we were able to take the kids on a tour of Auschwitz. So you know remarkable experience not only for the Shaperones but for the students from Brighton and Brighton schools to be able to go there and experience those kinds of things. So after spending the three weeks there and seeing these amazing sights and the history of the area, we were just truly in awe of the area. And most of all, we were just truly inspired and touched by the people of Jim Beetzah. They were very welcoming. They treated us like family to be a guest in a Jim Beatsa home is like being royalty. They treat you like you are just coming in and they can't say no. So we probably gained a lot of weight. Did you get, you didn't ever gain weight. Yeah. From all the great food and great fun, but it was a great experience. And I'm glad that we could be a part of it and also bring my daughter and eight other great, great students. Yeah, I want to go off of what Gus said about how they treated us like royalty. For the first week and a half, I didn't know where the trash can was because every time I had something, they would take it out of my hands or they would tell me to put it somewhere and then when I came back, it was gone. Yeah, and once again, my name is Justin Mayad. I'm the vice president of Brighton Sister Cities. And I felt very honored to go and represent, you know, the city of Brighton and our group. And as everybody said here, we had a really amazing kids. We had some kids from Brighton High, Eagle Ridge, and Riverdale, and a few homeschool kids and some kids that did online school. So it was just a great mix. I was honestly as a little nervous, flying halfway across the world, you know, with 12 kids that I don't really know that well. And but it was great. And the people, the food, I have a little bit of family history there. So that's kind of how I got involved in this group and locally. And I've been involved for six years now. We hosted my family, hosted a kiddo last summer. My two kids weren't able to go this past summer with us, but hopefully my daughter will be able to go with us in a couple of years. But yeah, just a great experience for me personally and all these kids. And we just really appreciate everybody's support from the city and being involved in You know, wanna wanna let you guys know that they're they're coming next summer and it's gonna be a big deal As I'm sure Ken's gonna talk about it, but hope to hope to have you guys be be involved some more as well Back to you. Yeah, I guess. The one thing that gets over shadowed because it's such a good time and you want to talk about the people and all is the cultural activities that happen and as they said they toured Auschwitz. But they also go to countless museums and cathedrals and a little town just a few kilometers from Jambita called Henrykulf has a monastery and that is the location that the Polish language was first originated in written down and they have those scrolls there. I mean, just a ton of culture. And then when they come here, we show them Colorado in Brighton and try to give them an idea of the culture that we have. And it's dramatically different. And we make sure they have fun and we make sure they learn and we make sure that they see some culture. So going forward, next summer, we're gonna have two groups come. The end of May and end of June are normal student exchange time. We're gonna invite in their planning on sending probably eight students and a couple of shaperones that are gonna come and we'll put those students up in host families. And we might be coming and asking if people might be interested in hosting a student. It's a three week exchange. During that time, Brighton's Sister Cities plans and executes and prepares day to day activities so that the students do things every day, Monday through Friday with the group. And again, we look for activities that are cultural, that are educational, and that are fun. Weekends, we encourage them to live in the home and enjoy life like you would in the United States. And if your family goes up to Greeley and most grandpa's lawn, they go along with up to Greeley and help most grandpa's lawn. I don't know if that's really ever happened, but we always use this as an example because they all have a tendency to go on all over the place. But Brighton's Sister Cities puts that together and we take care of all those activities that they do. And we're going to do that for the students the first part of the summer. Towards the end of the summer and into actually fall mid-September we're inviting another large group of adults as this will be the 30-year celebration of the Brighton-Jambita sister cities organizations and we're anticipating somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 to 25 adults that have been a part of their organization, both from the beginning and then as it goes on as we have taken on some new membership to help us pull off what we're going to do so we'll get some new faces, we'll be able to hug some people that have old faces, but we really, really look forward to that 30th anniversary. The planning is underway and we're kind of in that, man, what are we going to do stage right now? We will also be looking for host families for adults as well. The adult exchange is shorter. We're probably looking at a week's worth of activities. And then most of them will scatter as they then will enjoy the United States and tour on their own like we've done when we go. So we might be coming back and asking for some help. 10 years ago, the city of Brighton was wonderful in helping us in doing a welcome barbecue and they all showed up and then we had a special city council meeting and some other activities. And so as the planning gets going on, we may be asking the city for some help. Just so that we can enjoy the same things, or they can enjoy the same things with our city that we've enjoyed with their city. They've had several mayors that have come here and unfortunately we've only had one mayor, one sitting mayor, Goadish and Beats and that's Jam Polowski. But they really, they take great pride in their local government. Their government's obviously a little bit different, but it's very intriguing as they, they not only, I mean, if you could imagine, you have the city of Brighton, well, they've got Jim Beetz, but their municipality and their government structure, they also take care of surrounding communities. So it would be like, if in addition to running the city of Brighton, we would also run Hudson, Henderson, Locke, Moomey all around us. And so learning the infrastructure and the things that they do is just very, very interesting. And then even looking at what they do with the budgets is incredible. The current mayor, Mary Maudius Spilorick, has done a fabulous job in their community, and especially since really the short time since they came out of Communist regime, the improvements to the city and what they have done has just been amazing and so they like to come here and see what we have and so again we're in the starting phases of doing those those planning. I'd like to thank the city for their support and also you know we we were pretty much totally self-funded and when when the students come here we take care of all their expenses and all the day-to-day trips. Even when we send them there, the expenses become great. So we help fund the trip that they do to crack out and to Auschwitz. And we do that through our annual fundraising efforts. And I'm giving you the save of the date now. Circulo on your calendar. Saturday, February 1st will be our annual Brighton Sister City's dinner and auction at the Rec Center and that's really our key mode of funding. But we got a big year ahead. And when they came 10 years ago, the city put up banners, and it was wonderful. It was just a really, really good time. And you know what, when we hear the students, and everybody talk about how the people were, I guess, I go back to President Eisenhower and our faith and great promise of people to people and Sister City's affiliation and helping build a solid structure of world peace. And I think that we're on our way, at least our little slice is on our way of fulfilling that dream that President Eisenhower had. And with that I'll ask are there any questions of me or anybody else? Does it have questions? Councilmember Poloski? No questions. Thank you, Mayor. I just want to compliment Sister Cidys and what they do and what they've done and the fact that my husband and I were able to go there. And I think it was for the 10th anniversary in 2005 that we were sent with a banner that was difficult to maneuver on an airplane flight over there. But it was fun because our name being Polausky, everybody thinks it's Polish. It's actually German. When his family came here from Germany, they were a double E on the end of the name and they changed it to an I. But it was fun because we were Pavlovsky over there. So it was a little different getting used to that. But you've done a great job, Ken. I really appreciate everything that, and you're a very active fellow committee members here and everything. It's been wonderful. I'm glad to see you new faces and it's continuing on. Thank you very much. Thank you, Chair. Council member Green. I just wanna know about the museum of home appliances. All right. I'm looking at Wikipedia. This is what it seems to be known for. Please tell me about the museum of home appliances. I don't think we visited that. No. What the way think we visited that. It was closed that day. Are you kidding me? There was a museum that we visited. You probably remember, Vinny, it had old gas stoves, gas meters that went back, like from the early 1900s and so that is in in Jambita and they have they have some displays where they show you how sound works with flames and yeah so there is an interesting museum of gas, if you can believe it, in Ingenbiza that we visited. There's some really cool parallels between Brighton and Ingenbiza, and that is they have a historic city hall, and they have the new city hall. Well, their new city hall is probably old enough to be our historic, but anyway, in their historic city hall, they do have a wonderful museum, and it is a museum of kitchen appliances and so forth. And they claim to have the world's largest iron collection. And they have hundreds, if not thousands, of irons that are on display there, but they do have rooms that show how household appliances have evolved. And you really didn't go to it? No. Oh, you got to go back. You said, you got to go back. I always saw the other. Kind of a personal story. Kind of a personal story. My mom collected old irons. And I always wanted to get my mom to j Beatsa and her health just never allowed and so she allowed me I'm going to get emotional. She allowed me to take one of her prize irons which was a Coleman gas fired iron. So if you remember the old Coleman stoves, you put the white gas in and then pumped it up. Okay, this was an iron that had a bulb on the end and it would fill with white gas and you'd pump it up and you'd light it and it was blue and it had this big on it. And so, and I found an old, owners manual for it and so forth, but I wasn't able to get my mom there, but her prize iron is on display in their museum to this day. And that was a challenge to get there. You talk about taking a banner on a plan. Yeah. Go through security with an iron and see what happens. I'll bet that was fun. Yeah. All right. Do you think you will go to account some number today? Next. Thank you. I have a few questions. You mentioned when the program first started that we had similar population, do you know what their population is now? There's hasn't grown much as a matter of fact. It grew a little bit and then went back and they're, they're sitting now. 9,000. Yeah, I kind of figured that it's kind of a weird question I know, but um, so for you, I've picked her, right? And since... Sorry, I knew it was a bee. If you had to pick one thing that was the most memorable or the most life-changing or the most something, what would it be? Most memorable, definitely Auschwitz, just because it's like worldwide, like everybody knows about it and it's like, it's all there, it's all real, it's all like, it's like, in a whole day of just silence. But then other than that, I'd say just hanging out meeting people, because it was granted it's a city trip, but it was very like independent family time, and all the people there hung out with each other outside of the group. And everybody was like, bring their friends and their girlfriends and other buddies along with us. So it was very, we met a lot of people. That you'll remember forever, I'm sure. Yeah. One more question. So what are some of the places that you take the families that come here to? I'm just curious. I know you can't list all of them, but I'm just curious is like to some of, what are some of the places that you go here? We do a historic tour of downtown Brighton. We take them around the area. They usually tour the state capital. We've gone to Colorado Springs and tour the Air Force Academy and the Planetarium there. We've gone to the US Olympic training center, Garden of the Gods. We generally do an overnight kind of retreat in Estus Park. As a matter of fact, this coming year we've already got a huge cabin rented or reserved in the Granby side of the YMCA, the Rockies, where we're going to have all the students and everybody live under one roof. And then at night, the first night, we're going to have the Americans fix them a traditional American meal. And we're going to have the kids all learn how to prepare that. And we're kind of thinking about like a Thanksgiving-type dinner. And then the next night we're going to have them the the Polish students in their shaperones fix us a traditional Polish meal. But we get them up into the mountains. We've done red rocks. For fun we go to e-litches and we do boondocks and we play on the fields around Brighton. We spend a day at Sandhill Lake outside of Fort Leopton Water Sking. And so again, we try to do, we do tours of our high schools. The difference in the high school and their facilities is pretty extreme. And so we try again, try to make it educational, cultural, and fun. They have a bar in their high school, where they learn kind of the service industry side of things. And it was a real bar. We went and looked at the bottles. Wow, interesting. Another program for the CTE, right? That's what I was gonna say. That'll get the kids to go to school right? Thank you for all that you do and it's really fun hearing about all of it. All right we have Council member Johnston and then we'll go to the airport. Yeah I've never heard about the borders where there isn't uh there's no extension of a border there's just the surrounding cities and how many like what's the population of those and do they actually count like on a piece of paper, does it say that they also are there to serve them too, or is it kind of, I've never heard of that. Yeah, they're, in terms of the populations, man, I don't know, they're all smaller community. Some as small as maybe Steve helped me out 100. And they're several around. Their town council has over 20 members. And each of those little communities have representation on their total town board. the city itself is Jambitsa, and then the area is like Jambitsa iski or something. But when I've had multiple opportunities to ride around with the mayor's, Mayor Herbowski several years ago spoke really good English. And when I was there, he took me on a tour of the whole area and talked to me about what they were trying to do in terms of infrastructure and so forth. And again, through years of the communist sort of regime, they were neglected and it's taken a long time to rebuild those and they're doing a really good job at doing that. But I don't have real good specifics and I really should know how many there are. But they're all just small, just like Vitska and Henry Koff and it goes on and on. Interesting. Thank you very much. And thanks for being so self-sustaining the way you all have. I mean, these programs, the culture that some of these students will never be able to see. It's really extraordinary. And just thanks for all, and the coordination, I can't imagine having to coordinate all of this with all the different families all the time. And I hope we can roll out the red carpet as much as it happens there. And I don't know if I'll be here on council or not, but like I hope that if there does need to be something done to make sure that they feel the same way, that it feels like you all feel when you go there, because we don't want to, that'd be amazing. So as long as I'm here, I'll hope to advocate for it. It's a challenge, because they really do. Yeah, I bet. We come home and go, how in the heck are we going to do that? When we went there for the 20th, they got ready to do this. And I said I was reminded of when the Broncos played the Seahawks in the Super Bowl. And we went with all these great expectations. And when within the first five minutes, I knew we were screwed. And we just, we talked about everything we were gonna do when they come here and we went there and what, who, one of the gentlemen, what I'm sure now, he's a real good friend of mine, built a replica of the front of historic city hall in his backyard for us to take photos in front of. Our historic city hall, man. Brighton's historic city hall. They really, really do. Amazing. Mayor Prattam. Thank you so much for sharing this tonight. Thanks for coming tonight. I always appreciated. I am wondering how you're going to get out of the building alive after calling Susan Petrako one of the old faces. So good luck with that one, that escape. And I'm trying to figure out if your traditional American meal includes enchiladas and green chili, because that's what my traditional American meal would include. I don't understand this gravy and turkey. I'm a storytellerers, you well know. We went there several years ago, and they wanted us to prepare a meal to be served at their, they have a big town celebration they call Jean-Bete's a days. I think it's not called Jean-Bete's a fast. And you talk about a concert, and they just, there's no way to describe it. I think the city of Denver would love it if they could put on something as big and fabulous. But they wanted us to prepare a traditional American meal to serve the people in their park, smothered burritos. And so we took all the makings that we could, that we couldn't get there. Imagine giving kids number 10 cans of green chilies. And we were able to find dehydrated, brief fried beans. And we went into this kitchen that's in their middle school. And these ladies that cook there were not real crazy about a man cooking in her kitchen. It had never happened before. And then once they ate a burrito, they welcomed them to the spec to do it again. But yeah, you're right. They like that. Excellent. Well, thanks so much. I'm looking forward to seeing what else happens here and look forward to being hosting. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. It's good to see all of you. Thanks so much for sharing tonight. And Vincent, I want to commend you for going. I was offered that opportunity and shared that with Luke. And he was, I don't want to go. So I think he missed out. So who does you for making the trip? And thanks to the sponsors that took the kids over. And many more years into the future. Look forward to continuing. Can I ask the personal question of you? No. Yes. Stick a bug in Will's ear, because I need to call him and ask him about the transportation. You should have the board president put that bug in his ear. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, we'll do that. Thank you. Well, I think that was one thing that was really different, is how much over there the school is like pretty much 100% in Walden everything. So the shop, we actually stayed with the person who's gonna be a shop-roan next year and she was a teacher at the school. And while we're over there, they're still in school session. And so the shop-aperones and then each day like different teachers would go with us. I mean, they were missing Susanna Miss like two weeks of school, we're through weeks of school while we were out there because the school so heavily involved. And we did a lot of events in their school. We got to tour their CTE centers, which, I mean, their schools are much smaller, but their CTE centers which I mean their schools are much smaller but their CTE centers were pretty amazing. So it was very cool and it was it was interesting how much the schools were involved in comparison because we're out you know and not as much part of it. They learn how to make parogies and Vince just made parogies for the family recently that's pretty good skill to come on with. That would have been great for dinner tonight. That's yeah. Well, thank you all for your time. And we thank you in advance for your support going forward. Again, it's life changing and we're always looking for some new, new blood, new leadership is some of us old guard. They're getting pooped, but it's still fun and it's you ever get a chance to go. Please and the call will come, but please, please consider going. You will not. I tried going four years ago in this pesky pandemic thing got in the way. But man, that would have been a great experience. You know, I really appreciate you updating us and helping us, you know, visualize what it could be to be there again. And we appreciate the experiences that you've shared. I get a greeting card from the people of Zabitsi, like Christmas and Easter. And I usually have to take a picture and find a way to get it translated, but they're really cool cards, and it's hard to get rid of those kind of cards, you know, because they're not like the greeting cards we have here in our country. Last year I was able to go, I happened to be in Estus Park the week that the students were in town in Estus Park and I got to see them one evening and they had fun at Rollerink and other games and activities and they looked like they had a blast and so we look forward to Posted in a nice big one next year as well, so I appreciate the auctions that you put on to fundraise and you like what was said, being self-sustaining is great. I've bought into some of those auctions. I've benefited those too. And those are great ways to get the community together and just have a good time for a good cause. So thank you. Thank you for being here tonight. We really appreciate that. We haven't seen this update in a while, so we appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for being here tonight. We really appreciate that. We haven't seen this update in a while, so we appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you for having us. I don't know how we're going to top that. We should just go. There's a debate going on that. Right? We have 17 minutes, so let's just head out. Four minutes for participation. No questions. All right, next, public land and missing middle housing code amendments. Four minutes, summer go. City manager Martinez, I don't know I introduced her but whatever. Mayor, we're not even going to present this. We're just going to put it on consent next week. Next item. Summer McCann will present this item. And Shannon is here to assist. I was really going to take my time with this one. Good evening, Mayor. Mayor Pertham, members of Council, Summer McCann, or Senior Planner with the City. I am here to alert the City Council of some necessary changes that will affect expansion of a public use and some other suggested amendments from staff. So for tonight's study session, this is just going to be a discussion. We can later formally bring this to a public hearing for evoked. The Land Use and Development Code amendments that we're suggesting tonight have to do with articles four, five, and 11. Article four of the code defines zone districts and uses within the city. Staff is suggesting revisions to the public lands and open space districts. These revisions include setback and design centered the line with existing building types and other non-residential zone districts. Under Article 4 staff is also proposing the addition of uses that already exist within the city. Those uses are a marijuana store and water and or waste water treatment plan. Lastly, language is proposed that will clarify the allowance of a clubhouse leasing office as an accessory use for residential development. Our code does already include Clubhouse and leasing office as an accessory use, but we're adding it to article four where all of the other accessory uses are included. So to provide some background earlier this year, staff held a pre-application conference regarding the proposed expansion of the Brian Rec Center. A pre-application is kind of the Brighton Rec Center. A pre-application is kind of the first step for development. Those meetings are with all of the development review committee and we just kind of give feedback on a conceptual site plan. It's a really customer service based and we try to make sure that we're providing as much information upfront as we can. So like I said, we had that pre-application with the REC Center. Found out that REC Center was not permitted in the PL zone district. And then they could also not meet the 50-foot setback that was required of that zone district. So that kind of that PAC really initiated a deeper dive into these specific use districts. Staff did a lot of research. We actually had our GIS team create an entire map with all of the public land zoning and the entire city. So these amendments that we're bringing forward are really based on what is on the ground today and what we expect in the future. So on the screen, we do have a modified version of table 4, 2, which we commonly refer to as our use table. The use table dictates all of zone districts that are subject to tonight's discussion. There are additional zone districts obviously. The uses that are highlighted in green are the new additions. So like I mentioned, those are a want to store water and or wastewater treatment plant. The uses that are highlighted and yellow are kind of a constricted, each of those uses, there are three individual uses, but they're just compressed for the purpose of this slide. And then the red cells, the uses that are associated with those are the uses that are proposed to be removed. So the intent of the PL and O districts are really to allow for uses that offer a public service or benefit. So as you go through the table, some additional permitted uses being proposed are the assembly uses. Our code definition for assembly is a civic or institutional use designed to serve the community for regular or periodic events. Civic recreation and entertainment. So the rec center would actually fall under that assembly use. Under the current code office uses in PL are maxed at 10,000s. Graphee. The land that the city hall is on is zoned PL. So city hall would not be allowed. So we wanted to make sure to revise that. The city hall is on its zoned PL so city hall would not be allowed. So we wanted to make sure to revise that. There are a few other uses that are being added that staff would be happy to talk about if the council has any questions. So through staff's review, we are suggesting there are removal of some uses that do not align with the PL district. The cells highlighted in red correspond to those uses that would likely not be operated by the city or governmental agency and do not serve a public or civic benefit. These uses are primarily auto-oriented and industrial or industrial. That's fine. It sounds like a technical problem. It's seven o'clock it's fine. Sounds like a technical problem. It's seven o'clock it's over. All right, Article 5 which pertains to residential design standards. Stuff we've had several of those pre-applications with property owners interested in developing medium density housing specifically four plexes duplexes that sort of thing. At one of the PACs a property owner wanted to develop a four plex they wanted to do two units in the front two units in the rear on an infill lot in the city core. code would require that the home has a single entrance. So it's supposed to be designed like a single family home with a single entrance and then the units are spread out interior. So SAP is suggesting a revised building description to the duplex multi-unit house. That revision will allow for more flexible building orientation to encourage that sort of infill development for existing lots as well as areas that are already zone for a medium density if someone wanted to add on to their existing home. And then in response to those previously mentioned revision staff would like to clarify several definitions in article 11 specifically those under the public civic use category and then we would be adding definitions for those uses that I mentioned before. At this time, the City Council has three options. Thank you all for your time, and attention, and I'm available for any questions. Questions? I may put them. Thanks, I'll violate my own rules for no questions tonight. But first, I appreciate the effort to make things consistent and clear all the way through the code, having things defined where they're supposed to be. I appreciate every effort that's going to go through that and you guys are doing a tremendous fine work to make that happen. So thank you. And then the second is that in line with what we're trying to do strategically for affordable housing, for attainable housing, adjusting those definitions to make duplexes, to make multifamily small complexes, row homes, et cetera, more easily defined, more easily accessible, and put them into our areas, meets that strategic plan. So I really appreciate that effort that helps us to bring attainable housing to the community. So that's one of the feedback pieces that I've received from developers saying that that is a hurdle to clear to bring that affordable housing to the community. So thank you very much. Thank you. Anybody else? So there's a recommendation for staff. Oh, I know it's a session, but I just haven't heard from everybody to know if they should go forward. So that's all. Yeah. Okay. This will come back to us in the future. Thank you. Thank you. So we're going to move on from that. So next is the project update for project 23-00, 7963, design services for Sable Bullard, City Manager Martinez. This is important. So let's... Seven minutes for the next meeting. So we're going to move on from that. So next is the project update for project 23-00, 7963, design services for Sable Bullard, City Manager Martinez. This is important, so let's... Yeah, seven minutes for this one. Seven minutes, very good. I will turn the mic over to Christopher to introduce our guests. Oh, quick news. Summer stolen. She stolen? the summer stolen summer stole the flicker there we go I'm going to go through a couple of options. Welcome Mayor Mayor Pro Tem and members of City Council. We're here this evening to do a disabled boulevard improvements design update. I have with us the design team. I have Eric and Tristan. We're going to go through a couple different options. I'm going to let them start with a lot of the presentation. And then we'll take input and feedback as the goal for tonight. You guys can introduce yourself as well. I am Eric Lee. I am a transportation professional engineer with JR Engineering. I am a group leader JR Engineering and I have been the project manager for our company on this project working for the city. Good evening, I'm Tristan Bonzer, JR Chair and Engineering, and the Water Resources Group lead a gera. Just before we get started, we're going to give you a bunch of different information we've collected. We're going to go through a bunch of the key criteria on the project. We're really seeking input tonight. This will lead essentially to our next design decisions. Go from there. All right, so the things we'd like to cover tonight would be just to give you a quick project background of what the project includes. Talk about the concept options that were considered as well as just a brief touch on the financial implications of these options. So a quick project background for you. It's about a five mile project scope around 120th Avenue up to Bromley. It's over a million square feet of roadway so it covers a very large area of the city. We've looked at things here such as new traffic signals, considerations for roundabouts. There's even a couple ditch crossings and one creek crossing on this corridor. We're also looked at the various drainage impermanence that would be required along the corridor as well. So initially we broke this product up as we reviewed the concepts between initial build, interim build, and ultimate with various options for each of those ended up being about 10 different alternatives that we considered for the city to review and for our engineering firm to evaluate. The initial build is basically updating intersections for safety improvements such as turn lanes, adding in a trail on one side of the road, turn lanes as needed, and then putting in some shoulders. The interim build was basically to build the four lane road for the whole corridor with or without curb and gutters. We looked at shoulders and curb and gutter options, as well as the intersection upgrades and putting trails on both sides of the road. The ultimate build out would basically be to match the city's ultimate typical section for the minor arterial, which four lane road north of 470 with curb and gutter and all the drainage that goes with it and then a six lane road south of 470 to 120th, which without the things such as raised meetings even being considered a new bridge at third creek as well. So we really considered the full range of options for the corridor. We initially started with a traffic evaluation. We obtained traffic counts. We looked at the traffic signal warrants of existing and future signals. And this basically just shows if what year would trigger a four lane corridor or road wave on this corridor? So the south end of the project could meet warrants as soon as 2032 which is obviously not that far away with the segment between 470 and 130 second being in 2038 and then we got 2039 and 2042. So the section of 130 second to 144th being the latest to meet those warns. We also did look at when a six lane section might be warranted south of 470. And that's due to the amount of development that has potential to occur down there as well as the 470 interchange. And so by 2051, we're showing a potential warrant for six lane road south of 470. Could we pause real quickly? I'll put a question on the slide, Councillor Mayor Brotem. I'm trying to figure out this table and I've been staring at it. Everything is north of 120th. Everything is south of Bromley Lane, so I'm not understanding the four boundaries. Yeah, let me quickly cover that. I was trying to explain it, but I didn't do it very well. So from if you work your way south to north, so the north of 120th, the top one is basically the south end of the project. So that's from 120th to 470. And then as you go up from 470 to 130 seconds, is the cell right below that. And then it kind of goes to the north end of the project, which is between 144th and Brawmly. That's the next section that would be warranted. And then the last section was the middle section of the project between 130th and 144th. Okay, and that's the year that the interim plan would be. All this really means is that based off traffic projections, that's the year that is assumed that the level of service of the two lane road would start to fail and you'd need a four lane road. That's when we need a four lane road. Okay versus the existing two lane. What's there? Okay. Thank you. I've been sorry about that. It was trying to figure it out for. Yeah, we kept it pretty vague, because I didn't know if you wanted to know the detail, but thanks for asking the question. A brief touch on the financials of these options. We have a range of the various options of the initial ranging from 30 million to 40 million dollars, the interim from 50 million to 75 million and the ultimate from 90 million to 100 million So obviously these are pretty high costs due to the large size and scope of the project depending on which option is selected So I'm gonna stop you there because I asked this to our city manager during a one-on-one. I initially thought this Interm build was total 50 million to 75 million, but this is an additional 50 to 75 million on top of the 30 to 40 million. It is clear. It is not. These are standalone options. Other. So like, I guess, I guess if it depends a few phases, right? If you did the initial now, for example, and then did the interim in 20 years from now, then yes, it would be to go from one to the other. But this is intended to be like, if you picked one of the three right now, this is what the cost would be. So we could do the interim, the middle part right now, and it's going to be 50 to 75, from additional 50, 70 fund top of 30. Correct. Okay. Thank you for clarifying that. Did you have a question, Mayor Prattam? Yeah, related. So they're not, they are individual costs not stacked on top of each other except that there's some amount that would be lost. If you picked one, not only time, but there would be some work that would be read, one done, or undone, or done differently, they would drive up the cost of say, then going to the next larger. Correct. And these are costs to do them currently today. So if you were to do the ultimate 20 years from now, those costs would probably look quite a bit different. Okay. Remember green. So if we decided to do the ultimate, which we don't need for another 20 years, but we could do it. How long would it take for the ultimate, which we don't need for another 20 years, but we could do it. How long would it take for the ultimate buildout? Are you saying to design it and construct it? Yeah, from today until the end, you know, because you know, one of the first creations that we always hear is that we went after bridge 10 years too late. And so for us to look at foresight, let's how much would it talk to build what everything we need and how I want to take? Typically design one year, we still have that process to go right away acquisitions, granted this corridor, would have complicated acquisitions for the ultimate. So let's say about two years. So our three years in and then construction would be at least 24, 36 months. So it could be a six-year process. Six years we could have it ultimately done. It's in that way. Roughly, yeah. Six to ten years. What do I have information wise now? Okay, thank you. That's good to know. Airboard down. Okay, and one more on this one just because I'm trying to figure out the definition of these design options. To me, interim sounds like a temporary solution, but if I'm looking at the prior slide, interim is just a medium range solution as opposed to a stop gap measure. Yeah, I will be touching on each of these entails shortly after the slide, the city's city's city's city's city's city's city's city's city's city's city's city's city's with other benefits. Okay, but initial doesn't mean baseline. Interim doesn't mean temporary and stop gap. These are shorter term, medium term and long term, ultimate full solution. I mean, and potentially the city may never want to do the ultimate option. For example, you may never want this corridor to have medians and curb and gutter. You may want it to have a more rural feel. So it's not necessary to like throw away more throw away, and then this is where we're gonna end up anyway. I don't think that's what we're presenting here today. I'll let you keep doing the presentation. Okay, let's go ahead and yeah, proceed be to this corridor to have a larger section. We prepared a design decision matrix to be very objective with the alternatives that we wanted to move forward with or at least consider as the more presentable alternatives that I think the city and the engineers would agree or appropriate steps to take. So on the initial build, we looked at doing a two foot shoulder with a median turn lane, which basically allows the safety of the left turn lanes throughout the entire corridor while still having an extra shoulder and then putting a trail on one side of the road. The interim build is pretty much just up building the four lane road that entire stretch with six foot shoulders, a striped median, and the trail on one or both sides. The ultimate word we weren't really planning on presenting today just due to our the truck driver's license and the truck driver's license and the truck driver's license and the truck driver's license and the truck driver's license and the truck driver's license and the truck driver's license and the truck driver's license and the truck driver's license and the truck driver's license and the truck driver's license and the truck driver's license and the truck driver's license and the truck driver's license and the truck driver's license So the initial build out has two cross-express that we're going to quick show you. I'm the one we're showing you is about a $30 million price tag. So this one on the screen is the section from 120th to 470. That's already got a four-lane road for a portion of it and it's in Kerber and gutter. So we'll be proposing just continuing extending that to finish that small section as the 470 interchange comes online, which includes the trail on the east side. Now moving north of 470, this initial build would include that striped median that I mentioned with some shoulders, roadside swales, and trail on one side. If we're looking at the interim option, this typical section basically covers the entire corridor. And basically is your minor arterial section to the south, because it would have your curb and gutter and to the north, it would have your shoulders. Estimated cost of this option is about $57 million. And it would keep the roadside swales on the north side of 470. Another consideration was at 136th and 144th intersections whether to consider roundabouts in any of these alternatives for various reasons and so we just laid out a quick concept of the pros and cons of roundabouts versus traffic signals. And I'm just going to touch on those briefly because you guys have probably heard some of these spills before, but roundabouts generally have a higher level of service than a signalized intersection whatever have. You're always going to have a safer intersection with lower speeds with roundabouts. And the accidents are much less severe and reduced conflict points with the roundabout. The downsides to roundabouts is they do have a larger footprint, so they require more right-of-way. And they can be less pedestrian and bicycle friendly. And that's mainly due to the vehicles potentially not stopping. They just continue on and don't see the bikes or pedestrians crossing. This is a quick layout of just what it might look like to see around about at 136th Avenue. As you can see, it's a bit offset to the north of the intersection to avoid the properties to the greatest extent possible. And I know these are not going to be super detailed for you guys to see, but hopefully just gives you a general idea of what they might look like. 144th is shifted to the south for the very same reason to avoid the established properties on the north side. And Tristan's going to just briefly touch on the drainage implications of these alternatives. This is a pretty simple component, but when we're looking at the interim and initial builds that have the roadside swales, that's the permanent condition. The ultimate build with carbon gutter necessitates storm sewer. So, carbon gutter inlet storm sewer improvements that resides within the roadway, whereas the roadside swales kind of migrate out to the outside of the roadway. So, different right-of-way components as we look at those. Water quality and detention are an important consideration. So we're including those for all build alternatives and we're including the stable outfall channel. So there's a conservation easement that resides on the properties north of the Fulton Ditch. So it's important to the city and to us to include that ultimate outfall channel within the conservation easement. We are proposing to have it on the east side of Sable Boulevard from basically where the Fulton Ditch crosses Sable north to the existing outfall channel. Some critical issues as I mentioned, swales versus storm sewer to different types of stormwater conveyance, maintaining the agricultural irrigation facilities that exist and making sure that the irrigation can continue to its end users as a critical component of the project. And as I mentioned, water quality and stormwater detention are non-negotiables in conformance with criteria and permits. So this is basically just a quick depiction, I guess, of where we're at right now. We are basically at the stakeholder input stage coming out of the meetings with council and then a public meeting shortly after. I think the city would like to resume a design path on this project followed by right away acquisitions to whatever extent that means and looks like for the project, which is usually the potentially the longest length of time part of the project even longer than construction in some cases and then move towards construction solicitation. So we're looking at, as Christopher said, about 12 to 18 months of possible design work depending on the alternative selected and then working with other agencies such as the 470 interchange, some regional drainage components, possibly Adams County, since they have some frontage along this corridor and just figuring out funding, timing, cooperation, various things to go to move forward with the project. So right now where our project strategy sits we have about $12 million budget in remaining for the project. We want to do a phase one so the intersections of 136 and 144th trying to build turn pockets at a minimum that Then I'll get functionality as we progress into the future while we work on the different aspects and components. Phase two, we believe that a targeting the northern side of E470 would be ideal. And then phase three would be south of E470. This particular strategy would help hopefully fund and assist the project and just considering funding options. Right now we have everything from IGA's potentially with Adams County. We have options to look at the developer contributions, engage in some public-private partnerships where we can utilize the traffic impact fees potentially to assist so as that development moves online. To the north of 470 we don't have those development benefits as much as we do to the southern side, as well as potentially migrating some of the components out and seeking some grant funding. We can't guarantee any grant funding yet. We've been securing some. It's not in some of the Dr. Cog models right now are plans. So I'm not sure that that's our most viable solution, but these are the project strategies that we're looking at to introduce. Councilmember Johnson's got a question related. Thank you. Yeah, the that was going to be my question. Not a question more of a comment is that we. There's a lot of developers that are talking about owning, buying, and using this land to develop. And we're all talking about paying for it out of taxpayer dollars that happen right now. When we're going to about paying for it out of taxpayer dollars that happen right now when the residents that will get the most benefit of this will not be here yet and not pay a dime into any of this. And then they get here. So I'd like to look at what the developers, what developers are thinking about doing any development. And I know a few of them that have considered doing developments around this area are also contracting JR engineering for other avenues. So that's a question that I have is JR engineering needs to be very upfront with us about other developments that are happening around this area, especially when it comes to full and ditch in the connection there as we go forward. Because I'd like to hear what kind of financial bearings our financial dealings are happening in the background with J.R. engineering and another metropolitan district, a developer around this area so that we're not all paying with tax dollars. What a developer can also pay through Metro district that could be approved or has been approved or will be approved. So there's a lot of questions here. The one question I don't have is roundabouts are the key for the lack of accidents and traffic problems. I think roundabouts are definite here. And I love the idea of building out the pockets, getting those turn pockets going because that will alleviate a lot of the traffic on the biggest, the biggest problematic areas right now. And that's something it sounds like we can pay for. So I still have a way more questions than I can get answers for not just tonight, but I'd like us to all consider all of that before we just head forward and say, because what I believe Council Member Green was insinuating is true. Like I'd rather build the thing out, but I'd like to do it with the partnership, with the public private, with the understanding of what the engineering firm is getting financially benefited from both sides of this, and just understanding it all, before we head forward anyway. Thanks. Just one comment really fast. When you also do things up front you can see reimbursements back from the developments so we track those costs they come online we determine what their total impacts are and then we request reimbursement so there's an option to do such that's the option I would like Mayor Proteman. Yeah a question on this slide relative to the table of years when things are warranted this slide looks like we're moving to the things that are north of 470 first, but on the years warranted, the south side of 470 looks like it's warranted 2032 or 2038, and the north side is warranted 20, 30, 9 to 20, 42. So it looks like you've scheduled the farther out before it's important work later, and the work that's needed sooner to be done later, and the work that's not needed until later to be done sooner. So I'm not reconciling these two very well. So we wouldn't rely on solely just a traffic capacity analysis. There's other components. So for instance, a trail, having improved intersections are absolutely key. I think we can all state that pretty obvious by looking at the intersections. On the northern side, we don't have the benefits of all the development contributions and such that we have on the southern. And if you strategically wait, we might be able to work more directly with the development as they progress rather than us up front in the money. To the southern side one thing I haven't put on here is we thought about at least a minimum of maintenance activity where we've grind everything off repay and restripe to get better functionality the best functionality we can with what we have existing. Okay, I get that. So, so traffic study is not the only piece affecting it because obviously the intersections at stable and 136 and stable and 144th are problems today and need to be addressed sooner rather than later as well. Okay, I get it. Do you have any more to present before we go to more questions? Okay. Yeah. I have. We've got more questions. So we still have some additional information as well. Under the key project goals, these are what drove a lot of our decisions is the intersection, safety and operational enhancements. With shoulder construction and median, it allows some of the agricultural benefits. So large farm equipment. Right now we don't have turn pockets for into all the different side streets or access points. So that center of strike median would allow that functionality. pedestrian accessibility we've heard a lot that there's a lack of that connection. Ideally getting a trail at least at a minimum on one side, but provide that facility which would be also for bikes and other multimodal options. And then obviously we have to have drainage integrations such that all the water that runs off, you're treating it. And one thing that's really interesting that I think it's important is we're going through some other design criteria or planning objectives where what is the, it's like the icon for the city brand recognition. And really if you look at what the city of Brighton is trying to maintain that brand recognition or the cultural aspect that we have here, for instance, all the farming that's there, we got to keep roadside ditches potentially or the irrigation ditches to still irrigate those farms, grain our soils and drainage are separate, yet it makes more of that same fill and keeps the same nature that we have. And we do have design constraints too, as soon as we pass Bromley Lane. I mean, we have a single lane in each direction with the center turn median and your bike lanes. So for instance, to go from a six lane and merge all the way down, doesn't always necessarily make a lot of sense. With the interchange, it will be built to the full capacity. When you approach that interchange, it's going to make a lot of sense to have all the different channeling movements and stuff. And it's going to function like an interchange because that's what it is. So those are some key criteria for us moving forward and maintaining the design constraints inside that bubble. And I think this is where we stand now. So conceptual designs. We've done a subsurface utility investigations. We did filter down this concept design to what we're presenting tonight, collecting this input. They've also done their data collection and surveying. And now where we stand today is we want to get input. So we can take a direction on how do we progress to make the next strategic moves. I think we have a pretty good plan that the pick two options were the big large ticket items and what one really makes sense and what input do you have on a project like this that's important to you as a representative of the community or things that you see with your expertise and input. So some of these those criteria here would be consideration around about the traffic signals. I will mention just one thing briefly. We do have high speeds on this corridor. Some of our 85th percentiles are well over 50 miles an hour. Around about would generally tend to slow speeds down. The initial versus interim. Financially, we would have to find solutions for the interim. Initial appears to be the direction, just based on what we can and how we strategically fund it. And we should generally get good functionality and value out of that project. I think the sequence and strategy I covered unless there's any other inputs. This is going to be a multi-phase, depending on how you want to build a multi-decade project essentially. And then our target for now would be over the next five, 10, horizon. I guess with that we would take, I don't think there's any other slides. Any other additional information or how do you feel about some of these objectives. That it you ready for us? OK, before we go on to everyone, I'm just going to say this. I think we need to do the interim of the very least. I'm a fan of the four lanes, the whole direction. I rather start building it now and find the way to get the funding to do it. Because I mean, if we're starting with 30 and then an additional 50 and that's at the very minimum, I'd rather just pull the plug and just do the 50, 60, whatever we need to do now. Understanding we need to do the intersection improvements now at 144, 136, et cetera. And then regarding the roundabouts, I think that's fabulous. I know people don't like roundabouts, but it's gonna be a traffic calming measure that's already built in. I compare this to Crossroads Boulevard in Larimer and Weld counties over by Windsor, where if you've been east of I-25 over there, they are forling road with a roundabouts and it works. And it's a traffic calming aspect built in without having to deal with the stoplights and the traffic flows. And so I think it can work if we have the right amount of right away to work with. So I know a lot of people have their hands. I'm gonna go to council member to Dale. Thank you, Mayor. I agree with pretty much everything you just said. I think we should go for the interim right now. We know we're going to get there eventually. And so, yeah, find the money. The roundabouts are a great idea. I have a question about the right way acquisitions. How difficult to endure. Let me try to say. Is that going to be, do you think? Are we gonna have to start talking about imminent domain? Oh, don't say that. I'm sorry. Well, with the interim option, like, hold the more. Your likelihood goes up with the interim option, obviously, because you're widening the road more substantially than you would be with the initial. That being said, I think we could say Bridge Street was the most success story on the acquisitions. We had something close to between 15 and 20 parcels that we had to negotiate with and really the only one was PESCO gas that kind of got held up but for the most part everything also went through pretty pretty smoothly I feel like, within the six month to your timeline that you would expect. But you probably have a few holdouts. I mean, any of these projects like this, where you're talking 30, 40 parcels, especially on the middle of the corridor, where you got 31, 30 second, 136 with all those homes fronting there, with that kind of right away take, you may not be able to keep those properties in place. There'll be too close to the homes. So there might be some bigger. That's my concern. I mean, I know we're going to need this eventually, obviously, but I guess I was more interested if you've gotten any like pre feelings about, you know, that it was gonna be a difficult situation. I'm thinking good thoughts for it all the way that we're gonna be, you know, just great. All right. Mayor Prattin. Thanks. Acquisition was actually part of why I also in favor of moving forward on interim because even the turn lands on the initial require some acquisition of properties to make those lands in that that widening and I don't want to go to that well twice. So if we acquire what we're going to need for 20 years it's going to have to be more in advance. I'm with everyone roundabouts are a far better solution than the lights we have at those particular intersections, although I hate to say that immediately after we fought so hard to get Adam's getting to participate in getting those traffic lights at those intersections. But I really despise what looks to be some potential throwaway work in the initial solution when we're really not very many years away from at least the warrants for traffic volume hitting that next solution. So I would say where possible and where we can obtain funding and where we can look at developers for reimbursement. We need to be looking towards that 20-year solution rather than the stopgap or initial approach. That's, yes and round roundabouts aim for the middle. Yep. And aim for the right solution for long term on storm water. Let's not do short term solutions there. We've earned ourselves too many times on short term solutions there. Agreed. You know, and also south of 470, we have residents of Brighton that don't even know the residents of Brighton and they have a very narrow road to get into our main part of our community. So we want to welcome all ends of town, not just cut them off. I think the city manager knows it lives in Brighton, but a lot of his neighbors may not. Council member Green. Yeah, and again, I believe that sooner we get the rights on those property rights, the better, the longer we delay on that and the way that that's where we're ready to such the problem with bridges that we had these couple of holdouts that were that were slowing us down. But yeah, the sooner we can get proactive on that. And again, we've talked about this. If we needed, we need to get moving on it so that we can go. I think the interim is at least what we should do. I'd like us to do more. I want this to be built out and not have to go back 10 years from now and say, boy, we should have been thinking ahead of time. I agree. The development will come when we provided them that roadway that connects them to our city and then we can call that back from them when it gets there But I want us to be proactive not reactive That's right council member Poloski Thank you. I'm just gonna say I agree with everything that's been said The longer we delay the higher the cost are gonna be anyway. It's kind of how history has presented itself to us in the past. And so the more that we can benefit for us and our costs and the fact that we have so much growth going on already, it's going to continue and bringing this soundstead of Brighton into Brighton. I think it's a key element, so thank you very much. And it's her ward. Council member Worth. Thank you, Mayor. I also would agree with everything it's been said so far. And I think these roundabouts, the proposed roundabouts, would give great places for some nice vertical signs. Welcome to Brighton. Don't you think so, Mr. Green? Love it. Any other questions or comment regarding this project? I think we kind of have a little bit of direction. City Manager Martinez. I really appreciate all the feedback that's definitely we're looking for. I think based on the information that you've given it gives us At least room to start moving forward and engage the public Just a quick Comment or two. I think given the financial impacts. We are gonna have to look at strategies to fund this over more than probably a five ten year period Just given the cost However, we'll have a target right And then just one thing to keep in mind is we move north of 470 on a two lane in each direction. We will merge down to a single lane in each direction by before you cross, probably. So that will after that second, let's say around about at 144th, have to convey. I think what we'll do from here is take this information, start preparing some stuff, and then go get a public engagement as well next. So we'll be hosting a public open house, which I would invite you to when the time comes. They just don't want another 120th by per view high school. Let's get it done. All right. Thank you so much. Greatly appreciate your time. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right, policy items.