I'm going to go to the hall to order the architectural site review board for Monday, May 19th, exactly 430 p.m. I have a roll call please. Sarah Lindsay. Vice Chair, Comra. President. Member Delgavio. Member Middellman, and member Sullivan. Young, all here. First time in a while. Do we have any changes to tonight's agenda? We do not have any changes to the agenda, but I just want to take the opportunity to introduce a new town manager, Jason Ledbetter. You all had a chance to meet him, but I just want to formally announce. He's just observing today just to kind of get a feel for the answer being. And there are no changes, but you do have one desk item for the first item on your agenda at 115 Glenwood. Yep. Did you want to say anything Jason? It's worth it. Yeah, just very excited to be here. I met each of you individually just a few moments ago. You will see me attending these meetings periodically as I just get to know the members and ultimately the community. Extremely excited at this huge opportunity. I grew up in the North Bay and it's wonderful to be back in the Bay Area and I look forward to serving the people of Woodside. Thank you. Welcome. At this point, a call for any member of the public, either in the room or online, who wishes to make a comment or statement unrelated to any of the items on the agenda tonight. Now is your opportunity to do so. I see no hands raised in the room. For those online, if you'd like to make a comment, please your hand. No freeze-tans online. All right. What's that? Do we have anything on the consent agenda? I don't believe it. It is on the consent agenda. So the first item is just one-fifteen Glenwood and we have Assistant Planner, Julian Nagley, on the Zoom Room, too. Okay. Let's start with that. Hi everyone, thank you so much for your flexibility. I'm just down in Southern California for my brother's college graduation. So do let me know if there's any technical issues in you all hearing me, but again, thanks for your flexibility. Hope everyone's having a good start to your week. Tonight I'm going to be going over conceptual design review project for a project at 115 Glenwood Avenue. This project includes a near complete demolition of an existing single-family residence and construction of a new single-family, one-story residence with a basement and associated site improvements over at a property in the Woodside Glen's neighborhood. As Sage mentioned, there is one desk item associated with this particular agenda item. This desk item was submitted from a neighboring property and provides request regarding inclusion Arborus on the project team for help of maintenance of trees adjacent on shared property lines, requests for fence maintenance and the events of fence damage along the shared property lines, requests to modify overall structure heights and additional requests as outlined in the desk item that you all should have available for you. And then during review of future application for formal design review, the town's going to work to determine if the project is exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act. There's a quick overview. The subject project site is approximately 2.59, 0.259, acres total, and it's located on the north side of Glenwood Avenue in the Woodside Glen subdivision. The site is relatively flat with elevations ranging from approximately 102 feet adjacent to Glenwood Avenue to approximately 106 feet near the rear property line. The site is currently developed in the existing main residence in an attached covered carport, as well as some other site improvements such as an existing driveway and some pedestrian pathways throughout the property. Provided preliminary title report, as well as the site topographic survey, have identified a joint tenancy easement on this portion of the property where it intersects adjacent to 117 Glenwood Avenue. The just of the Joint Tundancy Agreement is that 117 Glenwood Avenue does have the right to utilize this space for their own purposes. However, per our definition of a lot area in Woodside Municipal code 153.005, this portion of joint tenancy is still counting towards our lot area for matters pertaining to floor area calculations, page area calculations and things of that nature. So while they can't develop in here per their title, it will still count towards our calculations for floor area and law area. As a quick overview of the project description, the proposed main residence is a single store home with a basement located in approximately the same location as the existing main residence. The existing and the main residence are both situated adjacent to the southeast property line. The main covered entry porch is proposed on the northwest side of the home facing towards the proposed driveway. And the residents would be accessed from an existing driveway entrance located along on wood avenue, although they are making some expansions to the actual footprint of the driveway in association with this proposed cooking work. Pursuant to Woodside Municipal Code 153.207A properties in the Woodside Glands may have one small site setback equal to five feet. So long as that small site setback is applied to the property line which the existing structures on the property are the closest. Currently, the existing main residence is the closest to that southeast property line, and therefore the applicant has applied that small side setback to that southeast property line, which we can see here. There are about six feet and eight inches away from the nearest property line to the existing main residence. And the applicant has therefore been compliant with all the acquired setbacks accounting for that small side setback in the glens. The applicant has not proposed any tree demolition and conjunction with the scope of work for this project. However, if for any reason, trees do need to be touched or removed as part of the project's scope of. Once we get to Full Moon Design Review, that should be shown in the Full Moon Design Review application. The proposed mean residents' acroesment inspired home, including low-pitched gable roofs, exposed beams on multiple facades, and porch spaces adjoining the north and west sides of the home. Well, floor area calculations were not required during the conceptual sign review phase of this project. They did provide preliminary floor area calculations to give us a good idea of the size and massing for this proposed structure. structure and those initial calculations place the structure to approximately 1,848 square feet total. Therefore it is below the mean resident size within without an exception. No maximum mean resident size should be required at this time, given the proposed scope of work that we have outlined here. And they should be able to proceed as compliant. The proposing the proposed mean residence is about 21 and a half feet tall. And it is therefore compliant with the maximum main residence height for the R1 zoning designation, which permit. The applicant. Tell me we lost yet. Jillian, you're freezing. Oh. Maybe just turn off your video. Maybe if the they could help sometimes. Let me see if turning off my care more will help. Did that help at all? Yes. Okay, perfect. Sorry, one more time, David. Where did I cut off when you were talking about the height of the new residents. Okay, fabulous. Yeah, so the existing the proposed residents going to be about 21 and a half feet tall. Therefore, it's going to be compliant with the overall height maximum of 28 feet as required in the R1 zoning designation. So this markup per the residential design guidelines has had a slight modification to the proposed color of the main residence. While the applicant has looked to maintain this European oak coloring, they are looking to do a swap per the residential design guidelines recommendations to this more charcoal gray color that we can see here in this little bubble. And they're also looking to switch these white railings that have been proposed in this mock-up to match the wood beams that you can see here, the European oak color. So per recommendations of staff, they have made some modifications here to our color palette to be a little bit more aligned with the residential design guidelines. The proposed mean residence does include a mixed material palette consisting of composite shingle roofs, wood siding, wood rails, beams and exterior state staircases, and then you can see here as well that the project does have concrete base here that they're showing to you more untouched concrete color. Materials and color samples will be required with the formal design review application to be reviewed by the town, And then part formal sign review, the applicant shall clearly call out all selected colors and materials in their plan site rather than having it as a standalone document just so that there's uniformity between the submittal requirements. The project is largely consisting of the house and those site amendments that we saw a couple slides earlier as it pertains like paved area, new driveway modifications and some lightly landscaping. So pretty quick run through tonight, but I'm more than happy to answer any additional questions. Should you have questions for staff? We do have members of the 115 Glenwood Avenue team present here tonight, and I believe they'll be providing some additional context on their project if you have any questions for that. But in the meantime, happy to address any additional questions from the staff perspective, if there's anything that you all would like me to tackle. Thank you all. Thank you, Jillian. Does anyone on the board have questions of Jillian regarding me? I have a question, Jillian. Now I don't notice from any plans. Is there a garage? I know there's the car port in the back. What are the plans for parking? Yeah, absolutely. Let me pull up their site plans for you so we can see in a little bit more detail. The site has not proposed any garage at this time or any covered carport parking. However, they have shown that they intend to do on site parking that is uncovered. and they have shown compliance with the for parking spot minimum or by the municipal code. We can see here that these are actually slightly small. We do require 20 foot minimum length for standard parking spaces and a 16 foot minimum length for compact parking spaces. They can have up to one compact spot on this site. So they're just going to need to make a minimum of three spaces here, one foot longer to be compliant with the requirements. and it is called, however, that doesn't seem to be a concern giving kind of some scaled measurements on the project. You will. Awesome. There's question. The project stands as no variances that would be required. At this time, they're showing no need for project variances or extensions. If that's revealed during formal design review, we'll be able to see if those entitlement seats go to plan and commission at that time, but otherwise everything is currently showing that's co compliant. Question for me, actually, Julian, does those the section of the property that has joint and see does that have any impact on setback? So we did a determination a setback determination, which was available in the staff report. And per stages determination, we're measuring from the property use corner intersection. It's kind of marked up a little funky because there's a bit of a bend on that intersection with 117 Glenwood Avenue. But no, it did not impact the point of measurement for setbacks at this time. The only real barriers that we identified per the Verbege associated with the preliminary title report would be just that they couldn't utilize that space for their own development, but it will still count towards their lot size and it's still the delineation their property line. Anyone else on the board have a question? Nope. All right. Good. We'll move on to the applicant. If the applicant wishes to make a question. No. All right. Good. We'll move on to the applicants. If the applicant wishes to make a presentation, that's an opportunity to do so. I'm not there. Oh, are you the homeowner? Yeah. Oh. All right. We have someone online. I think that was their hands. Someone did just raise their hand. Hi guys, can you hear me? Yes. Awesome. My name is Millen. I'm part of the green bait remodeling team. I'm working with part as part of this project here. Our presentation is super short. I did just want to provide you guys with updated renders. I know Gillian called out the different color than the render on that the render she provided. We actually just got back a bit more of a detailed render with the updated color here. Let me see if I can share my screen. Here we go. Let's do it. And is that showing for everyone? Really, yeah. So this is just the updated color palette that we are proposing. With the darker siding and the wooden railing here. And we have another render from this angle as well. Yes. We do also have our architect and construction manager on this call as well. If you have any questions pertaining to the more technical architectural side or the construction side, I can pass off the presentation to them. OK, just for a move to question. So is that the conclusion of your presentation? Or you wish to just to move to question at this point? Oh, yes, sorry. Yeah, with the comments that, yes. All right. All right, moving to question. I remember. So I just just use the microphone. It's hard for them to hear on zoom. OK, I just have one question you had mentioned or someone had mentioned that the railing would be oak to match the beams and it appears that everything is now painted cream so is it oak painted? That would be a fantastic question for suling would you be able to answer that? She is on the call, give me one second. She's on as a panelist now. Perfect. the unmute. I'm sorry. Can you hear me now? Yes. Okay. So the oak railing, the poles, the beams, all the trims are to match consistently the same color. That's that's one of the our one of our interior designer propostis is to have the dark dark background with the stand out pop color which is that oak color, the golden color for the oak. And that's, yeah, the beams that all the exposed wood will be that color. Will it be painted or stained wood? That's a good question. I think is most likely stained, rather than painted. I. I will, I can interject here briefly. Our designer is unfortunately on maternity leave right now, so she would be able to answer that specifically. But I'm fairly certain the last conversation we had with her she mentioned to stay. Any other questions from the board regarding the applicant's presentation? What's the current loop pitch of the roof? And barely here. Yeah, you got it. Yes. What's the current pitch of the roof? Um, do you want to pull up the roof plan? Yeah, not a problem. One second. Let me share the screen. What's a million. If you want to drop it, thank you. So we're looking at 6.5 over 12 for all roof pitches for the current proposal. Is this showing up OK for everybody? Yes, thank you. Okay. A problem. Any other question? I'm going to preempt one of the items called out on the desk. I don't know we received. This is the height of the structure. Specifically, I'm interested in knowing what the change of elevation is from the existing structures. Floor plates of the proposed structures floor plates. Rendering make it look like it's raised quite a bit. Anyone can answer that one. I'm going to show off the demolition of more plan. I should have the plate height. The elevations are the floor plan. Or plan. Yep. Problem. So the existing plate height is, I can barely see, I'm so sorry. So it's 7 for 10 and then the new one is at 9 feet. Oh, so that's a feeling height of a new structure. I was my question was specific around the floor. So the foundation height, I guess, I've finished floor the ops. Yes, the observation is that the existing structures very low to the ground grade just few inches. rendering suggests that the new new structures elevated quite a bit from grade. No, so the foundation height is the same. We did not raise it. At all, we kept the same finished floor height to the grade. And the rendering, it's not a diagrammatical, it's not to scale, but it's just more of aesthetics to give you the finished color. So it's primarily the late height, which is contributing to the thetide and probably a little bit of the roof pitch. Right exactly. A pitch of the roof is a bit more steeper than existing. Late height is consistent with temporary construction. All right. Thank you. In addition to the one resident's tour, has there been any other neighborhood outreach, have you reached out to the other neighbors on each side and across the street and have you heard anything from them? Yes. So the homeowner attempted to reach out to all surrounding neighbors that were that share property lines and across the street as well. Most of them had no comments with regards to the project and then some of them of course were unable to answer. Thank you. Of course. Any other questions for the app? I was. Any round of the pit. Well, well, well, well, the maximum loud. Okay, with that I'll do that section. Move on to public comment. So in the room line, which make a public comment regarding this proposal, you're welcome to do so at this point. Hi, I'm Don Pue, 231 Glenwood. I've lived down the street. Some years ago, we'd always tell people how to get to our house. We'll turn right at the Miller sign. And that was a peanut farm. Have any of you remember the peanut farm? It was kind of a wild place yet. One point in time. It had 10% of the sheriff's calls to their for gun running prostitution drunks. Oh, well, but so we bought it converted it to a house save the original structure and it's a quite little one-story as you've seen next door. In the process we got to know Norma who was lived there in this house for 95 years if you can believe that she was really a neat gal and got to know her well. And this is, I've been a real proponent of supporting maintaining the rural nature of woodside for many, many years. The good news, basically the plan is pretty good, but there were a few concerns that I wanted to bring up and I don't know if you all had a chance. Gellie, maybe you could put the picture up, particularly the first one that I had, because Gellie. Yeah, sorry, just one second, I'm pulling out. Okay. You're referring to the photo when it desktops. Yeah. So there's two things related. One, when we look at the picture, we'll see that the roof height has gone up three and a half feet, not a foot or so. And that's the one thing that puzzles me is, where do we get all this extra height from? But the other, which we'll see when the picture comes up, is when we first bought the peanut farm back years ago, which is also 101 Glenwood, we planted a lot of trees right along our neighbor, and you can see those trees there, the good news is they started at skinny little things, and now they're about this big, and they're hanging over the roof, normal loved them, because they gave a lot of shade. But the concern is that when they're chopping away, if we look at this picture, I would want an arborist to manage what we do to those trees, to make sure they're not destroyed. Because there really adds so much to both our property and keeps saying norm as property, but 115 sounds so impersonal. So that was the one issue that hopefully that a professional arbours can be engaged. The other then when we look at this picture, seeing how it's raised up, that's what I like to understand is why was it necessary to raise it so much up. Now the setback is only six feet from the fence line. So that's why it's a little bit more of a concern. And then if you could go to the next picture, which is the fence and the property line. So this picture now shows what it's like standing in the backyard of the peanut farm, 101. Looking in, you can see it's awfully close and how that roof line is now about three feet taller. And that's the concern that we have. You know, Norma was rather quiet, shall we say, and now that this house will be three bedrooms to BAS, we'll end up with a lot of people inhabiting it. So that's what our concern is. What we can do about it. The also that fence that there's one that I built and maintained over the years because Norma didn't have the capability to do it. So we've done that and I'm hopefully when this construction is going on that fence will not be damaged or the contract was at least repair it. The other issue I suggest is to underground utilities because when we did the peanut farm, we undergrounded the utility. It'd be good, they're right there. It'd be the wise to do it. Someday, all the electrical be underground. It's for now's the time to do it because they're gonna be completely replacing it. Parking, it was good to learn that there will be four on-site parking places. The problem in the 111 7 Glenwood is that correct? That's the other little T L shaped lot because they've just got one long driveway. They're frequently parking out in the street and not on the property which creates a few a few challenge especially when they have log visitors. And then lastly, this really is not a remodel, it's new construction and it sounds like we've decided that is truly what it is because there are going to be, can't leave a wall hanging in the middle of the air and redo the foundation. And it looks like there are going to be some fairly extensive foundation work done to put the new the new base man. So those are the concern I have. Are there any questions or. And I've got a picture. You're coming at the, you think a screen of half feet tall or yet the plate height of her needs about eight feet now and they're proposing a nine foot plate height. So I'm not. And I've got a picture. You're coming at the, you think a three and a half feet tall or yet the plate height of pertinies about eight feet now and they're proposing a nine foot plate height. So I'm not quite sure how we got out of sync on that mathematics symbol. I'm just looking at the flags. Okay. Did you get a measure? Are you just eyeballing it? Well, yeah, if you look at the joint, telling you could go back to the other one. It's hard to really measure, but you look at, you know, the old, I guess it looks like the slopes the same as it was before, but you know, it's a lot higher and that's where I'm puzzled is to where if they add one foot to plate height, so they have a nine foot ceiling where is the extra couple feet coming from. And I would imagine that when you talk plate and then you add the rafter or roofing materials, it's gonna tend to be more than a foot par perhaps because thicker rafters and so forth is typically new construction versus old stuff. Yeah. But if it's a nine foot playtite, are you okay with that? No, it seems reasonable. Okay. Yeah, it certainly did the foot, Where's the extra foot and half coming from? That's where my question is. And it may be inaccurate story polls to neuropleximation. Just just to provide a little extra contacts. If you take a quick look at their plan set per the talent's measurement methodology for plate height. There is a plate height that clocks in at closer to 13 feet. However, that's been accounted for in their massing calculations. So I know some people utilize the building definition of plate height, whereas the town utilizes a metric that is the intersection of the underside of a roof and the exterior wall. So per arses, you kind of see here that there's one that is approaching 13 feet however these are all still compliant just to provide some extra context when they're speaking about play hide. I'm not sure if SLC design was speaking about a traditional building definition of play hide or the town's definition. Gillian I believe they were talking about the from the finished floor earlier. Can you show the existing elevations of the red demo plan? Do they call out play heights there? That equate to the same one. Yeah, so the building has some step downs, but you can see they have some exterior, like 10 foot plate heights, some that are closer to 9 feet 11. So a little bit of variable, but again, just kind of want to prime that as well. So from the, so what, what the zoning code definition is basically the exterior wall height. And so we're seeing is, at the tallest point, it increases about two feet. Yeah, what I'm referring is the peak. Right, and then there could be some slight change in the roof pitch, which would then make the peak all the way in the middle taller. From the picture I had, the roof pitch was the same. But that's the question is, how much taller is the peak going in? It looked to be three and a half feet. We're saying two feet, I could understand the foot of that would be due to higher play height. I think interior dimensions 9 foot sounds cool but that would be my concern. Anything else? All right. Thank you. Anyone else in the public who wishes to make time?? Hello is online. Please use the raise hand feature. And I see no raise hands. That was public comment and. We'd like to kick us off tonight. Now, as it is possible to put on a gun, I of those there. That's not even right. The rate of the report. It's not something that the ASRB would look at. It's there's a specific code requirement, the public work section of the code. I'm, it's very likely they're going to have to underground. I'd have to defer to public works. My understanding is when you're replacing your electrical service is when you're required to underground. And given this extent of this work, it's likely that they'll be replacing the electrical service. On that topic of things outside the purview of ASRB tree trimming. So I think what Mr. Pew brings up is a good point. It's something that staff would look at anyway, you know, as you know, like ADUs can be as close as four feet to a property line. You know, we have these houses in the Glen that can be as close as five feet. So when we had houses 15 and 50 feet away from a property line, they didn't have a concern about the adjacent properties trees. But it's something that in the playing department, we do look at closely when someone's doing construction close to a property line like this. We do ask for an arborist report to look at how that construction if there's any tree terming involved which may be required by the fire district even because I know they're worried about three limbs getting too close to houses. So it is it's not uncommon and it's something that could be a condition of approval to make sure that they have an arm rest evaluation for that work. Okay. Anyone on the board wish to. I have a following. Okay, sorry. How does the town in general look at the issue of overhanging vegetation on somebody else's property? It's a civil man. Sorry. Go ahead, comments. How does the town in general look at the issue of overhanging vegetation on somebody else's property? It's a civil matter primarily. If it's just, you know, there's no permits involved. So if someone asked about, can I cut my neighbor's tree? It's a civil matter that town doesn't get involved in that. So we wouldn't give any advice on that. But with regards to a construction project, Whether it's an on-site tree or a nearby all-site tree, we want to make sure that destruction project doesn't impact that tree. Now would extend to include a fence as well. That's correct, yeah. Okay. Got another question? Okay. All right, who would like to summarize their take on this? I appreciate the updated color palette. It's very nice. It'll look nice on that street, because it is off of, you can see it off of Kinyana Road, which is a scenic corridor. So having the darker colors is quite nice. Well, it might seem that the pitch is higher than the current house. I mean, we're very fortunate that it's a one-story house, and then we're not stuck with somebody that's decided that they want to put a two- house on in there. So I commend the applicant on the one story house, even with maybe an extra foot on some of the pitch roof, which is probably the new style these days. I appreciate the neighborhood outreach and the one concern I have is just because the rats ate my car this week, that there isn't a garage. And I don't know if the applicant can consider an inside space because it's not unusual to have rune activity in cars. So you know, you get hit with a pretty big bill. So that would be my one suggestion if there was a place to include a garage to do that. Other than that, I think it's a wonderful project. Everyone, the blends are so popular right now. Everyone wants to be there. And I think this house would fit in very nicely in that neighborhood. Thank you. Anyone else? Okay, from my perspective, yeah I think seeing a modern interpretation of acrasmonds welcome addition to the neighborhood and town. I'm also glad to see updated color palette. Had you stuck that proposed white, I think we would have pushed back a little bit harder. We discourage white finishes. But doesn't that I think it's a well proportioned house given the size of the lot. The height, I think, has been rationalized effectively. I think that pretty much summarizes it. Oh, I commend the applicant on the proposal overall. Okay, so this project is a conceptual designer view. They did install story polls. So it does allow for the ASRB to forward it to staff or formal designer view if so desired to recap what I've heard mostly positive ideas with this project that applicants is commended for changing the color palette to darker color, help blend in with the area. and the applicant has also commended for keeping the building one story and the height has been justified based on current construction methods. And that the house has a reflected an updated craftsman style that is compatible with the neighborhood and the only suggestion that I heard it's not a requirement but the applicant may want to consider I'm looking in the area for a garage space if they can fit it on site. I mean that's something if they wanted to do and there was room under their allowable floor area and setback staff could work with them on that. So with that if there's nothing else the ASRB could make a motion and determine if it should go to staff or return to answer be Ensure that an arborist Reviews the construction and relationship to trees that are in close proximity to the construction Second here. Here Lindsay. Yes. Vice Chair Commer. Yes. Member Doug Gavio. Member Middleton. Yes. And member Sullivan. Yes. Great. Thank you very much. And a letter outlining this decision tonight will be sent out to all those that participated on the applicant with the next day or two. All right, we move on to the second item. which is 279 Southdale. 729. Oh, I typed it in. All right. Here you go. Hello, and thank you. I will be reintroducing the item. 729 Southdale away for continued conceptual design ASRB review. And so this project was previously heard by the board at the September 9th, 2024 ASRB hearing. And just to remind you all, this is a continuing presentation requiring conceptual design review to construct a new single family main residence within an attached garage in basement, one detached accessory dwelling unit, and associated site improvements. And so to give you a bit of a background at the September 9th, 2024 ASRB hearing, the ASRB determined that design changes would have to be made at the conceptual level before providing all the necessary details with an FDR application. And so the applicant has made some changes, has made changes to their conceptual design. And so these are responses that were made from the ASRB, in response to the ASRB. And so to summarize the applicant responses, I provided the responses on the table as as you can see in front of you. And so for site planning, the applicant has moved the house placement away from the street and also reduced the mass by setting back the second level of the building above the garage. And as far as building design, the applicant has reduced the mass of the building by moving the structure away from the front property line and stepping back the upper level above the garage. And as far as exterior materials, they have been revised to darker earth tone colors, as also shown in the new renderings. And the applicant has also provided the materials and person and is available reviewing next to members sold in. And also for the landscaping elements the applicant has moved the driveway and retained wall away from the street and also from the recommendation of the fire department. They have designed the driveway to allow for fire truck access from both directions of the street on South Away. So to show you the comparison between what was shown at the September 9th, 2024 hearing and tonight's hearing, I provided some of the slides here that show the comparisons. So starting with the first one. I'm going to start with the second one. I'm going to start with the second one. I'm going to start with the second one. I'm going to September 2020-24 hearing to tonight's hearing, starting with the front elevation. This is for the side of the residence starting with the front elevation. This is for the sides of the residence starting with right side and the left side. And this is what has been changed for the rear. And for the ADU, none of the elevations were changed. And the applicant has also provided updated renderings from the September 9th, 2024 hearing. So to remind you what the renderings looked like at that stage, the applicant did have a lighter color for the residents as well as for the ADU and for the updated renderings. These colors were darkened. Sure. The primary changes where they pushed the building entirely back a little bit more and already needed a variance of step backs. So they just pushed that back a little bit further and then they stepped back the upper floor to create that little roof balcony over the garage, broke up that side of the building. They changed that little roof pitch at the front, as well as they moved that bay feature, which is more hanging out towards the roadway. They tucked that in closer towards the entryway. You toggle on it. Yeah, toggle on it. Sure. Back up. Yep. So you can see here with this bay feature kind of more to the right side, which is close to the roadway. Then at that same area, they moved the building back on the upper level. So it broke up that building wall. That was most closest to the road. Okay, that concludes my presentation. The applicant has updated the story polls to match the current Conceptual design the applicant is also here in attendance tonight and staff has had to answer any questions. Thank you. Is anyone on the board have questions up staff? We can show the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go here on the plans to explain the question. So, I'm going to explain the question. So, I'm going to explain the question. So, I'm going to explain the question. So, I'm going to explain the question. So, I'm going to explain the question. So, I'm going to explain the question. So, I'm going to explain the question. So, I'm going to explain the question. So, I'm going to explain or so. It's been turned a little bit, but the applicant could probably more detail that. I had a question about the driveway just because I had a hard time getting into the driveway. You said that the fire department looked at it from both ways or something. So this, so if you were called before, the driveway kind of came in and it went across the property line and the fire district and just generally for driveways, it's better to come into the roadway at a more of a 90 degree angle. So you have good site distance. That's just for the general vehicle. Whereas the fire truck, if they're trying to come up from a road in a certain way, and it's not close to 9 degree, they're almost trying to make a U turn to get into that. So they're kind of looking at it from accessing it more directly from the roadway. See that here. Yeah. Sure into the kind of rear yard setback a little bit further there. So they'll begin to variance. They'll need to apply for a variance, shall I say? the Is this the office in question here? Okay. That wouldn't count given a it doesn't have direct access to a full bathroom. It just has a half math, so it just has a toilet, a sink, and then a little lid and clonzer area. Any other questions of staff? Okay, let's move on to the App in presentation. Yeah. Welcome. Ben. This is Raymond Lee and the applicant and also the owner of the property. Thanks, Keggo and we've been working on this issue together for the since September of last year. It doesn't seem like a lot of change but we did try very hard to meet all the suggestions from the previous review. And I don't have much to add other than I would like to invite my engineer Jim to talk about the driveway and that's how much work we've done on the driveway side. Peace. Good evening, Jim Toby Leighen-Braze. Yeah, this has been, note out of very challenging site. If you've been to that site, you look at it from Southdale and realize Southdale South is so narrow and he looks straight up. It's a challenge site. But I actually was working with my staff and didn't think we'd get the fire truck to turn around to work, but we did. So thankfully it works barely. We were within inches, but the idea was we're trying to, you can imagine looking at that site, if you're driven on that road, coming from Biglin up that way, trying to go right looks very challenging. Because since she don't have the opportunity to really swing into the road south-ealth self, I mean almost the one-way road if you look at it. But we did, we actually got it to work, it does swing in, it meets the absolute minimum fire truck requirements, but it does meet the requirements septic was a very big challenge out there, but we also got that to work. It worked very closely with the geotechnical engineer To make sure that that hillside was stale enough to handle septic out there But it does. I mean it does definitely work I did double check the building itself did move six feet So that answer your question about how much the building moved. But yeah, this being such a very challenging site, I think we've gone and moved every which way we could possibly move. You guys will get a lot better idea of what we're talking about when you get to see the formal design review when you actually see our plans. But we have worked out all the technical side of things that are sometimes the most challenging, sometimes the fire access, sometimes the septic. It all works, but it works within inches in some places, but it works. So with that, we're trying to just hear the answer to questions you have and ready to move forward to formal design review. Yeah, I kind of drive past and turn around. It's tough. I mean, I literally started looking at what my staff said, you're not going to get this to work. And they did. We used a program called AutoTurn, which is a computer simulation of how our fire truck will actually make turns and everything. And that's something we've worked out with the woodside fire over the years, and they're totally acceptable with that program. So we did get it to work. And I really didn't feel like it was. Given the small constraints we have and how steep that site is, it just barely works, but it does work. On your last comment, you feel that you verify the tactical aspects. And there isn't going to be major difference between today's presentation and the formal design of your presentation. I'm probably barely here. You're saying that he worked through the technical aspects of the wealthy and significant difference between what we saw today and what we'll see at the formal? It looks, if you look at just the plan, it looks kind of similar, but we went through and added make sure that the fire truck turn arounds work very much to be both abscess. We originally were trying to do just abscess coming on the west side because we didn't think we could make it work coming from the east side. But fire department said we still wanna come and granted the fire closest fire station is right up to St. John Jefferson. It's pretty darn close. So that is the appropriate way. So we have to do a little more grading but a little more retaining wall work, but it does get up there and it does work. Any other questions? Just a few on finishes. Maybe we finish work when I look again and I see fence with wire and then it looks like it's a lot ironed silo fence. Maybe we look at those. It may be different from the July 24. Yeah. Yeah. Give me the mic. Okay. So if you need me to answer any questions, yeah., oh the other side. Yeah. Oh, you're reading. Yeah, this is what we submitted, but they are all earth tone colors. And then we've got millions on most of the windows. Yeah. So these divide like that. Yes, the grid lines. This is a new image. Oh, the door is for the ADU door. And that's the island for the main house. Defensing. Defensing. Yeah. Yeah. It's only for the gate though, but the other should have the wire. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It should be around right around here, the entry defense along the house. Yeah. Oh, the top corner is the retaining wall for over here, this section. Yeah, just landscaping. Yeah, this is like a big retaining wall. So this part would this part? Yes. Yes. Make it look better and interesting. Good. I have a rating question. Toby, it's, I was looking at the story polls. So the placement is accurate. It hears that a fair amount of material has been to come off that site where to get that finished grade of the driveway. And there will absolutely. You can see we have two sets of tiered retaining walls on the uphill side of the property. That's in order to get the fire truck up there. So I'm not sure if we've done the exact greeting quantities yet, but being a small-ish site, I'm hoping to stay under 1500 cubic yards, but we'll kind of know that better as we finish up the plans for formal. But yeah, it's to get it in there and we love retaining walls on the downhill side to make the parking work and two tiers of retaining walls so we don't go against the fence ordinance for height to be able to break up the mass and everything to support everything we need to do there and that's all in terms of what we need for fire that's what's driving all of it. Okay. I'm hoping for staff. Is that something that was in the hands of variance for? So it would be a grading exception. So if it went over 1500 cubic yards or if there's any cuts or fills that are over eight feet that aren't under the building those would trigger a grading exception. So this project has to go to the planning commission anyway. If it were at the formal design review we get those details and if it is determined a great exception seated it would be wrapped into that process. I was just and luckily we'll be able to read through the cut. So yeah I yeah, I was just curious about something we had a little bit more breathing with. Yeah, sorry, do the won't be over 8. No, will I think the coat I think the cut will be over 8 feet given the heights of retaining walls and like I said, that's all driven by what I need to get to get a fire truck in there. I think that lower elevation drive will help overall. Yeah. Approach to the house. Thank you. Thank you. Just one comment from the standpoint of design. I don't know if there's an architect involved. But when you look at it on some, there's river rocks on. There's a rock. There's difference. It looks kind of busy like you might want to reconsider some of the options to have not so much linear. Yeah, that shouldn't be a problem and rendering just for the art showing of how you may look, but. But yeah, we can make it unique across the site. Yeah. Questions of the site. Yeah. Questions of the object? The public, the rumor online. And there are no raised hands online. Yes. Okay, so the vet, those public comment and move to forward with session. Yeah, mean overall the aesthetics of the project is the main largely the same. I appreciate the color change. I think that will help from growing so much attention to the project at the top of the hill. I appreciate also that the placement of the house has been pushed back a little bit from the precipice of the hill. That's certainly good. Glad to hear the driveway has been resolved in terms of fire truck access. Fire department's happy. But overall, I think all the changes that I've seen are the better. I'll be able to see the reductions of the mass on the right hand side. Yes, you speak different. Anyone else? I feel like it's I don't feel like this. I think the aesthetics have changed significantly. I mean, I feel like I'm looking at two different houses. I think you guys have done a remarkable job. I mean, that's a top site. And I know one of the neighbors on the other side didn't want to be looking at the light yellow house. And you've changed the colors, but you haven't just changed the colors. It's the layout. It's the way that you conform it where it's not just some sprawling suburban house. I I think that given what you had to work with, that you did an excellent job in creating something that looks much smaller than the first one. And then the color scheme definitely is much more agreeable up there on the health. So I think I like it. I think your NIPO are liking it as well. Thank you. Yeah, I wasn't here for the first one, but it looks like they responded in the board comments while I went, if there is a lot of unfinished space and you don't have to get an extra part in the spot, if you have a J&U, I don't know if the septic will accommodate that, but I encourage you to look into that as you're a perfect formal. Otherwise, it looks great. The encouragement, not a recommendation, a little part of it. Anyone else? Are we good? Okay. I'm sure yes. So to summarize the applicant was commended for making changes to address the concerns raised by the ASRB at the last hearing, which include but not limited to changing the colors, reducing the mass by breaking up the structure and setting it back further from the roadway. The applicant is asked to simplify the exterior materials in particular just settling on one type of stone that's used consistently throughout the project for exterior stone should I mention and then the applicant is encouraged to explore installing a J. A. D. U. If possible and something that can be accommodated by their septic system. Is there anything else? Just clarify that last state that means the turning of the bathroom next to the office to a full staff and qualify that for the DAED. It would qualify it for a bedroom, and then if they wanted to, they'd just be looking at some type of lily efficiency kitchen in that area. That is something that they could explore. They could look at other ways, but definitely it's something that they have to be careful with with their septic capacity. Yeah, changes. So with that, story polls are installed. This project will need to be reviewed by the Planning Commission with formal designer view. But the question is, do you feel that it needs to come back to ASRB? With the only comment at this point was to simplify the materials or if it can just go on to the planning commission or review of the formal designer view along with the additional entitlements necessary. I think board is comfortable with moving directly on to staff and directly to the planning commission. motion. I move to approve the project based on the summary of comments you made and move directly to formal with staff. Great. Back in the motion. Chair Lindsay. Yes. Vice-chairing. Comra. Member Delgolfo. Member Middell Member Middleman, and Member Sullivan. Yes. Great. Thank you. Thank you. We'll be in touch. We'll send out a letter confirming this the next day or two. Okay. That's all the items. Closed. We have a structure. I don't have anything further to report today. We expect one in the next meeting. Yes, we will keep those for now. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, in terms of the written director's report, we will get those to you. We worked in a new format and we will submit those. Okay, great. All right, with that, I will close the meeting at 5.35 pm.