Thank you. Who responded. Thank you. She's trying to harbor about CCAs. She's lucky both of you. She's still trying to figure out how to help. I think the salt to do on. Okay, we are recording John's online halfway to the corner. Too good sir. Too many things open on my little computer. Good. How are you doing? How long are you in town for, Michael? Just until Thursday morning. Very long. Yeah, we were. You were in Denver, my younger daughter was in Denver, but that we came with them. And then my wife, who was still working, went home. I'm sorry, somebody's got a pay to bills. And then I came up here with the kids in the baby. So is it the younger one from Denver who went to Muleenberg or was? Yeah. Elder one. Greg, how are you? Hi, how are you? Hi. How are you? Bye. Are we muted, John? Uh. I don't think we're muted. Can you hear us, okay, John? Can you hear me? Yes. I can hear you. I'm going to start signing. Emerson. So were they both artsy girls? Yes. I mean, it's very funny because my wife and I she's the doctor of the lawyer. And so the older daughter went to high school for performing arts. Yes. High school. And the musical theater manager. And the second, the younger one went to the old burgers dance nature. Right. We talked about Neel and Bert. Thank you. Hello. How are you? Good. Michael. Tom Fritz. Hey. How are you? I am the liaison. Exactly. I'm on the council. Exactly who you are. Okay. Thanks. Great. Um, we have like five minutes. Can I ask you a question? Sure. And so this is not in my capacity even here. Or is it two people talking? Right. Or any of my other capacities in snowmen is president Timbersclubs. Okay. And I'm on the board and we're going to talk. Okay. Okay. So I'm not speaking for them. Yeah. But, you know, on the whole issue of workforce housing. There's a lot of green space that's owned by HOAs. That is never going to be developed. Tom Nolberg's article the other day. I'm thinking about this for a really long time long time because I know how much property, you know, because I'm very active, maybe between two. No, and again, I don't think my membership would be interesting, but I'm just saying, maybe they would, you know, it's like there's so much property, like, and I think what really inspired me, you know, I saw the on-play, okay, right? So So they needed to raise money. So they and they found an owner. There's a guy talked to a guy in chair left. They found an owner who's a developer and then put most of the risk on him, took some money so that they could put new roofs and new windows and that have to assess people. You know, they sort of sold their soul for a little bit of, you know, more development. And the flip side is that I know how beneficial at Timbers, the across the street housing has been come. You know, every single one of the rental units is is rented by Timbers employees now. You know, I just bought those from him. I know you do. And so it's like, I just want, and I saw all the machinations, not to buy the property here next door. I just sort of wonder, like, with things changed so much of the sun, so hard to find development, you know, land that you could develop. I think you would find it very easy to get that land rezone for housing. It's right. It's the age of a came forward. But let's say I'm making the decision. It totally happens. And I will take it. I think it's something came to put on a I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. or whatever. And maybe when give you guys, you know, some dibs on getting some of your employees on pay the day. The win win, isn't it? Or not? Well, no, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, if it, I mean, the biggest obstacle typically is each of ways don't want heaven to be housing. And I get better. I think all kinds of things could be working. Yeah, so like, but right now the town still owns a lot of land that we can develop housing. So we're not out of land. We just were buying the land, buying the smoke. That's right. Right. Right. Right. Under the under-the-unus up there. Yeah, but yeah, but I can see the biggest opposition has always been. I know in my H.O.A., I see there's some land that we got that we thought we'd weak, that could solve to the town or something. Nobody was interested at all. It comes. I see there's some land that we got that we thought we'd weak. But could so to the town or something. Nobody was interested at all. I mean, there were opposed to the H.O.A. The owners were out there. They were opposed to the employed out there. So, I mean, I look at the timbers and the housing, the employee housing that's literally across the street. It is the way we are able to attract and retain high quality. So I totally understand. And I think it, again, I'm not representing, but you know, and we're going to put in a dozen units. Is there actually land up there? Consulate. Really would land. We're going to land up there. Fun to land. Yeah. You know, because we have phase one and phase two, which is a little bit crowded on the right side going up, you know, we're going to go. But on the left side, we have phase two. Thank you, but in HOA came forward and said we got some land here and we'd be, we're agreement we'd like to do this. I think there could be something that could happen. All right, but that would have been the first step because you don't want to go. Now or or or or. Revealing. there could be something that could happen. All right, but that would have to be the first step because because you don't want to go through any kind of time. Right now or order, order, order. We're reviewing a proposal by ski company to do some play-als and done with their maintenance facility done by the Blue Nets. Right. Huge job position from the divide. It's not even next to them. Yeah, it's all you got. That sounds right. It just so. We will have very waiting on. Yeah, eight times, Jeff. That's time for coming. Yeah, sure. I used to be a part of time, or I can't wait to say you're playing to fame now. I grew up in a town that makes snowman. Which is why I love this town. Can we wait for anyone else's life? You know, I thought Charlie has here. What he said, yeah. In person. Oh. And Mike said he was going to join us after he was in a meeting. So he had a work meeting and then my, my, my or not Mike Prisal said that he was going to join us late. So I kind of thought Charles was coming. He said your name and you appear. Oh my gosh. I'm John. I'm John. I want to see it. You were 15 seconds from being in big trouble. Oh, okay. I'm going to be in second. You can't. Hi, everybody. Good to see you. Hi, John. How are you? I'm good. At Roy. Hi everybody. Hi John. How are you? I'm good. Roy online and then. We'll look at this. See you just see it. I think we saw the end of winter. I think we're done. I was walking and thinking I stopped to play golf. It's got up the slopes, but yeah, I did do it. I hit balls yesterday at RBR. Yeah, I did. Yeah, that was, I bet I felt, but it wouldn't, it, it will. It felt good. It'll look better. Exactly, right? Yeah. All right. Will? Meg, Meg, are we ready? Or are we waiting? Catch John. would like to start the meeting that would be grand. Okay, well let's call the meeting to order. And I think based on the agenda, the first act is going to be the review and approval of the minutes. And I think, Meg, and we made some changes, I believe. Is that what you've handed out today? I did. The basic changes are just a very short paragraph that was like a repetition under a policing overview for the town of St. MS Village. I took out that small little paragraph that you may have read. And then I just added a couple things that John actually pointed out to me, some small corrections, including on the very last paragraph, talking about how Fritzstein-Claire and find that T-O-F-V has no control over that area and infrastructure and the infrastructure is not in place currently, blah, blah, blah. So those were just the two main things that I wanted to point out before you guys decide if you're going to approve those or not. With that do we have a motion to approve? A move to approve. A second? A second. And about and we passed, okay. Megan, have we heard from Christine? Um, not again, and it shouldn't look like she's online right now. Um, why don't we do this? Um, so some of you may have known from the email chain. Christine wanted to appear and talk about fire mitigation. Let's sort of push the public comment down a little further on the list to give her an opportunity to call in. So Greg, maybe you can give us administrative updates? Absolutely. I don't have any because I've been out of town and haven't gotten the updates from my people. I do hear you had a nice nice event last week and got to hear from Sikko so I hope you all enjoyed that but I think that's our segue into the next item. Tom is there anything that you want to share in terms of town updates? As I saw you last week., fair enough. I think the next item then would be a discussion of the wrap up on the operate event. So yeah, I think it was a great event and wasn't that well attended. We had I think 15 people attending and nine of them were accounted for by like council and members and such. So we only had like six kind of outsiders kind of come on in was it was nice to have them that we had a great food and all that kind of stuff. But basically I wanted to give you those numbers and I took pictures and all that stuff. But I'd love to hear from those that attended thoughts and things to move on for for the next time. Well, I'll chime in on that, Megan. I thought the preparation for the next time. Well, I'll chime in on that, Megan. I thought the preparation for the event, the organization was terrific. And there was a lot of food, a lot of beverages. It's a great venue. And so I wouldn't change a whole lot about the fundamentals there. But somehow, I somehow I think we need to brainstorm and figure out how to get more of our constituents to attend. And I don't know if it's through a more dynamic agenda. The agenda for this event, I thought was a little on the weak side. It was nice to have Jeff there. He wasn't obviously a big draw and it was good to have you there Tom and I appreciated your update. But maybe if we had a little bit more meat on the bones, maybe I know it's supposed to be social week. We were decisive in wanting to make a lighter agenda and make it more social with the food and the beverages and so forth. And maybe it's just more in the area of promotion and marketing of the event itself. And for example, in the mall here over there, there's a nice bulletin board. And I know that you post quite a bit there. Don't know if we had a posting for this event on that bulletin board. There would have been two, would have been the poster, and then the actual notice of the meeting would have been up at least a month out. Sometimes people will come by and take those posters. I don't know they can take a picture of it, but there's my phone. That's a fairly common issue we have actually. So it was posted at least a month out. I can't remember the day I actually put it on the center. And yeah, I think it might require a little bit of direct outreach. And you do that too. So in email. Yeah, but maybe maybe what we could do between now and the summer meeting is just to as an activity focus on beefing up our email address list. So that for the summer meeting, maybe the outreach could be more effective. I don't know. It's just just a suggestion. I've never seen our email list. So I don't know how completed it is. It's as good. And Charlie on that point. Greg and I had a conversation and Greg, I don't know where we are on it. That possibly reaching after John Kenny at home. At the homeowners association for snow mass. About doing a blast email because he is the most complete list of homeowners. And just where they could have a link to click on to get onto our mailing list. Greg, what are your thoughts on that? I mean, we can be more direct with John and I'm just going to share my screen here moment. I mean, John has every home because he emails an invoice out to everybody, right? So who is John? John Kitty is the, is he president of the H.O.A. The Snowmass homeowners association. He's a, he's a hired hand, right? He's, he's, he works for a Romero and he, who oversees the H.O.A toy. But he runs it. He's a very, and this is full-time job running that toy. He's also one of our board members on one of our boards. I'm trying to remember which one right now. He's very good resource. He's a very good guy. Very articulate smart guy. Do you know if our newsletter or advertisements go out to his list? Yes, let me give you the rundown here. This is my math for sheet that if I get hit by a bus, Megan does have a copy of it. Good. Everything that I send out goes to the correct distribution. So general information media, this is a opt-in list that we're required to have for due to FCC rules for the daily update newsletters and the tourism media list. We have an agency list in case of emergency. Other PIOs in the valley, again, that's more emergency but with safety type of stuff, public notices, which is what Megan kicks out for any kind of meeting. Then I've got a part-time list that I maintain in a similar fashion. Got about 600 or so folks, list of H.O.A.'s. And I caught myself after John and I spoke a few weeks ago. I actually had John Kenny on there three times. He's not only getting an email, he's getting it three times. But is his list getting an email or is it updating to put it on this list? It's up to him to forward in my experience, majority, but pretty much my enous will forward on to their to their constituency. So if you're not receiving those as a number of HOA, let me know. But want to make sure you get it one way or another. Most of the HOAs and the management groups have been great to work with and they will follow. Here's a problem. Right now, I see facts from H.O.A. O'Marro group, showing Gleason. Nothing to do with Fox 1. And the following, here's a problem. Right now, I see Fox1HLA, a marrow group, someone glistening. Nothing to do with Fox1 at all. Do you have a better contact? Me. Okay. Okay. I think, even in my subdivision, which is the Sinclair Medal up there off of Gambleway, I think only a portion of our part-time homeowners are being informed. And there's two things, are they informed and do they care? Right, but at least they need to be informed, right? Where they can care. Are we going to the Aspen Times or doing this? I think this one gets updated weekly as they have turned over. What was the totalist? I'm saying can we can we advertise? We do. Oh, in the radio and print. Okay. So, surely you get a lot of bang for your buck. So, I will target audiences basically. You're here in a day range. You will get a push of your phone if you're a user of data products. Right. But it's in the print version of these business. Okay. So, there's plenty of communications. I know it was in the newsletter as well. And by the way, I wanted to commend you, that newsletter just rocked. That was a nice piece of work. That's what we aim for. Well, you aimed and you hit the bulls eye on that one. And so we have good communications. Maybe they just let happen. I don't think I have the right theory on just what happens. We have a lot of channels and not only this valley but in this community alone. People get hit like a lot of times just with the down alone. We don't have a central device. We have rec center that has several channels, social and traditional. Tourism marketing department that puts up a lot of information. And then I handle every other department, which is general boring, municipal news. So on a given day, a average resident could be hit with three or four pieces of information. And they get a little blind to it. And I know from just seeing the unsubscribe frombes from our general community newsletter that people they get too much and they start on on striving for everything. So this being hyper niche, meaning part 10 residents only, the small subsec of our community. I don't see a lot of participation from the broader community on test. So I see a lot of you recall what the participation was at our summer meeting last summer. I thought it was pretty good two summers ago, but I don't know if I was at this past summer has always been the lower of the two lower attendance. Yes, the winter ones usually higher attended or better attended. But I didn't know this year. It was low. It was upstairs on that. It was both days. It was a funky time. Charlie, I had an anecdotal theory on why the crowd was a little lighter than we would have liked. And I know you and Norbert and I had no Tom were out that week skiing. I felt like the week we had the crowd on the mountain was very light. There were no lifelines or anything that it was busier early in March. And I wondered if the size of our crowd was impacted by the fact that a number of visitors were down that week. You know, that could be, John. I know it was light, but we've been doing these meetings now as long as I've been on this board, which is about six years. And we've had a couple that were really good, but most of them have been white. And I don't know what the expense was, but I have to imagine that the expense to host this was 1500 to 2500. You know, what maybe we ought to just I think we need to get rid of the food. Either they have to give rid of the meeting do something else think out of the box and maybe just do something different. People aren't they're not coming so they don't expect it. So if we didn't do a summer meeting for example maybe we can come up with some other effective method to communicate. I like the social aspect. I like the idea of getting together, but maybe not an afternoon meeting. Maybe it's a, maybe an evening event at the skating rink. I don't know. Sure. try anything? Council has a format once a month. They'll like folks for coffee or adult average in the afternoon. And we'll get anywhere from a dozen to 25 people at those. And so we could try the way in. So we're only a few showed up too. And it all varies. Only as good as it's going to be that day. There's really no way to get to what it's going to be. Well, we have another meeting in a month. This is March. So next April, maybe we just roll this around a little bit, think about it for a month. And maybe as a topic for next month's meeting, we come up with some suggestions for an alternative event. And I'd force to do this. Yeah, no other board does some like an outreach like this. So if we can roll it in with something else that we're maybe doing, it would be probably appropriate. Great, light agenda here. What do you guys wanna talk about? Charlie, under the onus of decision doctrine, if you remember, I ask you to cheer next month's meeting because I'm gonna be out of the country. So I think that's gonna be a topic that you get to chair next month. Okay. That's as I open my mouth, right? Sure. Happy to. I think as Megan said in her email the other day, this is a relatively short meeting. And so I guess we're going to be maybe giving back some of the time that we stole last meeting, because that was a little bit over time. Are there any other items that members would like to have us discuss? Well, I have one, but it kind of follows into the conversation that we just had. And the topic I thought that might be worthwhile is to talk about other methods of outreach that we might have. have. Now, I know the sounds like we just had this conversation, but we have a very good newsletter. And I think my opinion is that the survey was also written very well. I don't know what type of responses we have yet. I'll utilize. Really? Good news, yeah. I can't speak to the quality of the responses, but there have been responses. Yeah, good one. So far 81 and I was aiming to close that on the 25th. Less there are 25th of March. I'm sorry, April. April. So really. Yeah. Is there is there. Before we leave that topic, is there anything we can do to further promote? The fact that the survey is out there. I have a lot to check my queue, but today is the 25th. I think Thursday, I have another reminder email going out to the list. And then I did a three week frequent meeting. So 17th, it'll close on the 25th. It'll go out via email twice more. And then after we, do we send that out at horse ranch to all of our residents? Can we do you ask that up, John? Norbert. Oh, he's not here. No, I'm sorry. And he's not on the line either. OK, I'm sorry. Where's that bullet's in board? You're referring to the smell my center. Right. That one. Of course. On the core over there. Yeah. Anything on, you know, the lower village, Hey, village area that we could utilize, like some type of similar bulletin board. It might be nice like count updates. And if you had one down bottom the top, you put a QR code, you could Yeah, you have to work these to west, it's all private. Yeah. It's a permission to hang in there. It's such a high volume area where people are passing, they're going to the gondola, they're going to the left. I think people will notice something if it's in their face like that. Unless you know the Bolton board is there, you know, I go because it's fun to see what's coming up and it's our fans in whatever hosting place. Yeah, but unless you're passing that specifically coming in from that direction, you may not see it. You have to go out of your way to see it. I think a part-time resident would probably be more likely to pass by. Face village. No. Here's an idea. Every Wednesday or Thursday in the summertime, there's a nice concert out here. And that's when we get a lot of part-timers in town. What do you think of the idea of maybe having a table, staffed? I know it might be hard because we're all part-timers and I won't be here much. But what if there was something for people to walk up to to get to know a little bit more about P-Trap as a form of outreach? You know you're going to be here and you can staff it and we can make it happen. Well maybe we could amongst all of us members decide who's going to be here on what Thursday's what weeks and the weeks that someone is here. Like if I was here on a Thursday I'd be happy to staff it. I think it'd be kind of fun. I can have some giveaway there too. Oh yeah. It's a serious available. This is for you this plan. Oh, and I'll do the example if I'm drinkable. Well, yeah, we could we could give away drink tickets. You know, take that $2,500 from the summer meeting. That's right. That'll beers. But you know, that might be a way to connect if there was a information booth with a big sign. And I don't know if we want to You know, consider changing the name Petra, Petrabus, tough name. sign and I don't know if we want to you know consider changing the name Petra bus off name but was it a while? Shed or something? Second home? Second home owners? Central? I'll say yeah. Yeah. You guys were something else. Yeah, there was something. I like the part time. I Asperin said. Yeah. Some people three or four homes. I don't know which is the second. I heard it dinner the other night that there's two times of people living in an aspect. People have three homes and people have three jobs. That's a good line, describing the situation. Yeah, I always advocate for the NRTP non-resident taxpayer. Well, this is here is sales tax. That's true, actually. Well, sales president, prop, doesn't go close to prop tax. It's the biggest piece of us by, so careful. We have to be in there. Well, property tax. How about you build a lot more property tax here than you be sales tax here? I put on a lot more. John, what do you think of the idea of an infall booth staffed by one of us at the Thursday night concerts? I think that's a really interesting idea. I think, you know, and I think probably it's worth talking about. Is that something that'd be good to do at the Rodeo occasionally? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. good to do with the rodeo case line. rodeo might be tougher to find a spot. The rodeo is not our already the western. Yeah. Um, but I mean, I mean, I actually one of the issues I see is that you know, I mean, Charlie, I think it's a good idea. I mean, I think anything we can do to reach out to people to tell them what we're doing, tell them we're here. I think all of that's good. And I think you're right about the meetings. I think I sort of thought that having Jeff there would have been a draw up, but apparently we need a little bit more than that. Jeff. Yeah, all right. So it took me five minutes to find this, but. Having materials like this available where this code will take you to add a sign up for updates. You know, you don't get knocked out decide what kind of information you want, which was something that this board decided they wanted to ask in the survey. What kind of updates do you want construction Construction events, that sort of thing because I really want to reduce the impact of noise on people and you only get the information you want. I mean, I think I think you're right about reaching people. I think it's it's it's worth it's maybe worth looking at our list and John Kenny's list to see if he can help us build that list because I know he is the best list in town because he's sending out the invoices every year. Absolutely. Well, I mean, to make it simple, there are, I mean, he has 85% of all the homes are in Summess Homeowners Association. And outside of that, you've got the pines, horse ranch, the divide and fox run, basically, haven't. Where's branches in this? I'm in Summess Owners association. What's that? Horse ranchers in the home owners' association. Well, we're all in it, but we also have our own separate strong-age joes, which most of what John has are all just part of his eight-toy. So I'm saying, it's not that thing of a population to get to almost everybody. Now you're saying about town but those aren't per-time residents. Yeah, but you were listening. Don't see right now. Governed by a show-out. Well, even even the ones I mentioned are governed by show-out but they're on H.O.A. they're on communications. Right. If it is is Shoah and those four or five others, you've gotten most of the pie punishment covered. Now, to show a cover of the condominium bill project, buildings. All right, well that's the single family homes. May not cover the people on condos, but or town homes. We're town homes or yeah, right. Right. Multi family. So what if we, what if we instead of spending 2500 bucks for summer meeting, we focused on a concentrated drive in used a raffle as a motivating with a prize as a motivator for people to sign up their personal emails directly with us. And let's take a thousand bucks if we can get it. Think about what what we could buy for a thousand bucks and have that as a grand raffle prize at the end of the summer concert series Everyone who entered the raffle throughout this period and maybe it's an iCut pass Yeah, is Geek I might be willing to chip in and help us with that? Yeah, I would worry about verifying that folks who enter the contest are actually part-time candidates. I caught one of that. Why can't we just add a, when they send out the invoices, it's Roy here. time. When they send out the invoices, why can't we add a section that says, would you like to receive the newsletter? So they sign up and just give us your email address. It's the same time. We'll put our heads together to staff on what makes sense for inventing a sign up. Well, okay, that'd be great. And it doesn't have to be an eye-compass, it could be anything, but if we had a budget for a thousand bucks and we had a campaign that was the purpose of the campaign is to collect personal email addresses of part-time residents that, and even if we already have have them they would be eligible and give something nice away. Maybe it's a gift certificate for dinner for four at Pine Creek Cookhouse. I do it okay if you want to keep it snowmast you know the h Heather's is a great restaurant. They have that nice room. It has a table for 10. We could do a gift certificate for a general party in that room. The others would love it. Okay, I'll stop. Yeah, all good ideas. Yeah. I think that's a good idea. I mean, I think building our base is gonna make it more effective. Right. I like that way to summarize it, John, building our base. Maybe that's what our campaign is. Our internal objective is for the next three, four months, build our base up of information on who are the part-time residents. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, Charlie, going back to something else, you said about putting more meat on the bones, I remember we've had meetings in the past several years ago where we would have multiple speakers come. I remember we had somebody from parks and trails come and things like that. And so maybe that's part of the answer that we try and have a more interesting agenda. But I think that's the second question. I think the first question is building up the number of people we reach out to and who we touch. We're going to ask mental blunders all of apparently voice of Stelman, according to his latest article. He's never attended this meeting as long as I've been here. Oh, he was the original chair. Yeah, he was. For you, he was the chair. He ran a big meeting. Yeah. You might actually talk to him because he was able to... I remember years ago and as a part-time resident showing up. It was in the council hall and there are a lot of people there for that meeting. How frequent were the meetings? I don't I don't remember if there was but I you know it should to reach out to Mel. I just was abused by the fact that he's a voice of snowmass. Well, but I mean, he really cares about this committee because he was rowing and was born and he was a chair for many years. And he really drove tough issues. He really took stuff to the town on behalf of the part-time residents, which what do you think that should be, but you guys should reach out to them. I did once about four years ago. I sent them a note and he responded right away. Yeah. I'd be happy to reach out to you. I'd probably be here in the summer, you know, but he's easy to reach. I mean, he's got his email, I think, at the bottom of his article. That's a good guy. Yeah. But I think that would be, if you look for some fresh ideas, which have to, you'll get a year full probably, but it's worth hearing. Yeah. And you know, you can even write an article for you, it put you in an article which gets a lot of press, you know? Yeah, that's right. Because of his writing style and some past topics, I think generally speaking of this board has had somewhat of a bit of a negative view of Mel. Just those people do. Yeah. And so sometimes, you know, you could turn your adversaries into supporters. I think it's a good idea. It's worth just picking this brain, doesn't it? Yeah, I think I will. I am at the winter meeting. I was to chatting with Susan Moralt. And I don't know if you're aware, but her husband Roger is a writer. Yeah, he writes in the time or daily news, I think. I don't know if you're aware, but her husband, Roger, is a writer in the time or daily news, I think. And I asked her, I said, how come Roger never writes about snowmass? And she just said, well, editor said it's not as territory, it's Mel's territory. The way Roger is a friend of mine and the way he writes about ASP and I'm just as happy he's not writing about snow mass. Yeah. I just have a question that I don't know if it came up during the winter meeting with Jeff. Was there any discussion about the health of the, you know, the number of visitors that have coming this year? It seems from my perspective, it seems late. But is it, is it so? No, he did talk about it. He says, he says, we've had four springs this year. He blaves on the weather. Yeah. OK. We have other metrics that can support or be used for the target. Ridership is down the shuttle. Occupancy has been blackish, but it's daily rates going up. It tells, like you're going to pick it up. How about the health of the retail in the village? Sales taxes up. At the price of the... The cost of prices are up, right? So yeah, I mean, the weather has been a challenge this year. body to dance that really is the cap, right? So yeah I mean it's been the weather's been a challenge issue. The bodies have been really used to cap right? That's hard to get. In travel and tourism when you see the average daily rate go up you took the C.O.C.A.C. go down and see the revenues flagged. Right. And you were people. Right but for the few people you know and that's that's not a great long term thing. You know, we spend so much of a sandwich, right? Is there anything new on any of the major capital stuff? Oh, that's what's available in this paper. I haven't seen anything since the last time we met. It's the last meeting, but what you're reading in the papers, most accurate. Almost accurate. That's what's that. Okay. Me about the projects were. Yeah, the very, you know, the, all the different projects. Yeah, well, we, we, you know, I get run down on that last week, but we are moving ahead with the draw site. I mean, we got down to a much more pragmatic building. Transit Center, we come up with a concept, a tool of a concept, everybody buys in, but the funding disappeared. Lower at schoolhouse, we're trying to get one or two states, but one one's federal and state the loan, the nominal grants, fully about $2 million. Since the rate may be... one or two states, but one one federal one state, long, not all grants, fully in about $2 million. It's an eight-minute jar project. We've, that gets six million to it. And if we don't get it, we'll probably step up for some more of that. That'll probably start next year. But I know, and we've set some money aside to beautify the rodeo grounds, because I I think I come out the way we want it. So I did 100 foot pine trees in front of it. That would help. Like shovels in the ground. Got any of these things? The only thing that shovels in the ground would be the smaller projects. Like, the little red is probably close. If you cover it that upper one bridge road. I'm the shovel is in the ground. I think it's over ready. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's the last of those covered projects. Yeah, well, I think it's very old, but you know, so much was built, the stream was put into a culvert under the road. And we've had three sections of it cram out. And I think this last one, now it's in its own bed, and it's not under the road anymore after this one. It'll be an approved structure. And I did forget to mention the upper part of Breast Creek where it curves, right before the mall. That section of road that we started last fall. Improving the putting up to the side will again. The craters will be in there next week. I believe to line that pipe so we're not replacing that culvert structure like we are with. We have been once time just mentioned but it will be reliant to add some life to it, bella to it. And so round about, sort of on the table at this point? And round about, I mean, I'm curious what you all think about it, you know, because it's a highly debated thing. I mean, it has not been approved by Council for construction. We've done the design, most of the design. So you know where all the infrastructure has to go, it's a replacement, but I just be curious, is it a little straw poll? If you think we should bill or we shouldn't bill? We've had it, we've been a mixed. Yeah, we've had it. Anything where you left. It depends where you left. For my perspective, I think we need it. I think we should have it. I think it's solving a problem that's not often there. I'm basically relying with that opinion. It'd be nice to have, but it's a large project. Yeah, and one more road disruption. I don't agree with that. By the way, I'm not even there, which I said it's... For me, it's not a nice project. It's another roundabout, which is another... Whether it's A-Von or it's a fail or one of those... Let's round the next one. Right. Well, small town. Yeah. I tend you, but we haven't we haven't brought this to council yet. Yeah, John, what do you, what do you and Roy? You know, Tom, the thing that that I'm unclear on, I haven't seen anything and maybe the council has information. My, my perception is that it's a relatively few hours a day, a relatively few days a year that it's a problem. And I, with respect to where you live, Charlie. And I haven't seen any real statistics saying, okay, this is 10 days a year, two hours a day, or whatever it would be to know how serious a problem is. I mean, if it's a small enough problem, frankly, stationing a police officer to direct traffic 10 days a year, two hours a day. It is about 10 days a year. I mean, as we reviewed it, we've seen six, about 10 days a year. And that's just, and when the roundabout goes in, where people live in an horse ranch, your trap is going to get stopped up by the people coming up from all creek. Right. Because I'll creek life for a fronfer and sober brush creek. Sorry. Charlie's problem becoming your problem. But you know, if you're telling me it's 10 days a year and it's two hours a day, for example, so you're talking to me now about what might be all day, I don't know, but it's 10 days. I don't know what the economics are, but for example, stationing a traffic officer there versus what is it, eight or 10 million dollars for traffic circle? Yeah, well, you can do the map pretty quick. Yeah, the cop philosophy. Yeah, so that's sort of what I'm unclear on. I haven't seen anything that sort of enlightens me on that. It would really be helpful if you guys could really get a real polling. I don't know if this part of your survey or not, but a real polling of your 1000 members or so 500 members and a notice of statistics and polling. Yeah. Greg, that was one of our questions I think to rate those one, wasn't it? Was. Yeah. I can follow the stats. We asked people to sort of rate their priority on the various town projects, I believe. What is Roy thinking? Roy, you got an opinion? I'm listening. You know, I really, I really don't. I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. Sorry. All right. Well, that's a very good opinion. You. Well, I, you know, I go through that intersection multiple times every day. And we're here. throughout the winter for four straight months and then a week a month in the summer. And if you want to travel in the afternoon from from say snowmess club or mind subdivision or anything in that direction, there's usually a backup in the in the four o'clockclock timeframe. As all of the traffic is exiting the ski area, nothing can get through. I'm just a believer in the efficiency of a roundabout. We never really have a traffic jam down at Brush Creek in Highline Road. I mean, things just move through there. So far there's really this very underused intersection there. I think the roundabout that's at Castle Creek, Maroon Creek, and 82, I think that's really an effective intersection. And there's a lot going on at the Owl Creek Brush Creek intersection. So my opinion is a roundabout would make it nice. I don't think that it would back traffic up on brush creek. I think roundabouts are very, very effective. So given the fact that money is not an object, it's great to do. When it comes time to rank things with limited funds, they're probably better priorities. And so I wouldn't, I think I rank it, even though I'd like to see it, I think I rank it pretty low on the list of priorities. When you look at it on its center only itself, you have different thoughts, but when you look at it as the whole, then you have to rank and look at that. There are also the factor of the sanitation, the water and sanitation having to do some work there as well. So that's another piece to the puzzle in terms of right there's going to be some Well, it's a lot less Intrusive to dig put a new water main in then build a whole new intersection. I mean And that's why we we wanted to design the roundabout so if they got you there to at least, we know if we ever build a roundabout, it really works together. Yeah, I think someday if we build, you know, 200 units of employee housing, base build, you get finished. And you know, I think at that point, we're gonna get more traffic. And maybe at that point, maybe we need the roundabout. But I just think- The idea to do the infrastructure sometimes in correlation or first and then you built. I thought they already did the infrastructure there. That was replacing the culvert of the brush creek going under the road. The water in sand has a water main that's in that road. They have to replace it. It's deep. But again, it's deep down. You trench your place. You have to close all the intersection for a year. That's a whole different thing. Well, you can't do that. You can't close that. Well, when I say close, I mean, they have flag, man. I mean, it's going to be a super disruption when they get started right now. I didn't know that there's a lot of sure. I mean, there's a lot of fatigue. Roof destruction fatigue in the community. I think right now our priorities are, you know, play housing, the transit center, I think, get more people through road and then eventually, run vote. That's my view, just my view. I would agree with that. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Well, are there any other topics that anybody would like to raise? Not for me. Then. Now, one, move. Have a good trip. I won't be at that limiting, but I'll actually be in snow mass for the main meeting. Great. Great. Thank you. I'll have a good trip. You're going to Norway, right? Well, uh, uh, uh, Liz, been to Stockholm. Oh, uh, Sweden. That's it. Green. Yeah. Well, I have a safe trip. I will look, thank you. I look forward to seeing you all when I get back. Thank you. Bye. Bye. It's a long walk. Yeah, a couple of meetings ago on the right side. I raised the issue of the little face. You don't face the little appearance of the rodeos at grounds. It's a mob to raise the face of it. What I saw. Yeah. It's horrible. And you mentioned that there are going to be some. Yeah. I'll be to. I mean, so I mean my my initial observation tonight. It's in the mid minute. you