Okay. Are we ready? Yes. Welcome everyone to our special meeting with our colleagues at the passing unified school district. I'd like to welcome the school board and as to start in our school board president, Jennifer Haalee. We'll take role-con, then I'll turn it over to Ms. Haalee to make some opening comments. Council Member Cole. Present. Council Member Hampton. Blessed honor to be here. Council Member Jones. Here. Council Member Lyon. Here. Council Member Madison. Here. Council Member Missuda. Here. Vice Mayor Revis. here. There's a quorum the council president Boardmember Harden here Boardmember Kinney here Boardmember McKenzie it's not in the room yet board member Richardson Bailey here Boardmember Velasquez is not here Vice President Fredrick's. Here. And President Holly. Here. There is a quorum of the board presence. Thank you. I would invite the school board president Jennifer Holly to just make some opening comments. But before I did you want to do the- Oh, I'm sorry, Pledge of Allegiance. Ms. Holly, we'll do the do the pleasure of allegiance. Thank you. But a hand over your heart. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 90s of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. On behalf of the city council and the city staff and our city manager. I'd like to welcome our school board colleagues and staff. Mr. Jennifer Hawley. Everyone here today. We are here. The board is here. Thank you so much for having us every year. This is always a good time for us to kind of get together and get to know each other again and reestablish our ties which are common in our community. And we have our Board of Trustees here. We have our superintendent, Dr. Elizabeth J. Blanco, and we have our senior leadership team. Our theme has been this year the power of us and the Eaton Fire has certainly created an opportunity for us to solidify our bonds together and to work for our community. So thank you. Thank you and on behalf of the council, we too look forward to continuing our partnership and Serving our community as best as we as best we can together with that we do have In a adjournment that I would ask we make Mr. Madison and I served with Chris Holden who recently lost his father Nate Holden also a public servant At the state level and the city council level Mr. Madison you wanted to thank you mayor I think it'd be fully appropriate based on Chris Holden's long service on the council to a journey tonight in memory and honor of his father Nate Holden of course, it'd be appropriate based just on Nate's significant contributions to this community and this region. His obit, which ran in the LA Times, was truly inspiring. And he passed it in 95, by the way, so a life very well lived. But I won't impede the progress of the meeting, but I highly recommend that all read the obituary of Nate Holden, a young man who was a gifted engineering and drafting student whose teachers would give him false low grades because they didn't believe a black man should be in those professions who persisted and became not only a successful professional in that walk of life but then was spurred by those experiences to become an elected official and served at various levels and various capacities for many, many years. And my heart goes out to Chris. I've lost both of my parents, so I know how painful that is as many of us do. So thank you, Mayor. I really appreciate if all of us could adjourn in honor of the late Senator Nate Holden. Absolutely. And I misspoke, Mr. Cole also served with Mr. Holden. And we all, I knew, Maiden, as some of us did, and a real public servant. So, Mr. Kohl. I would just join my colleagues, and I'm sure I speak for all of us. I also, in addition to serving with Chris Holden, had the opportunity during my time at LA City Hall the first time to serve one of the other council members when he was on the council. He was a tireless, courageous man who definitely marched to the beat of his own drum. And he was fearless when he had a cause in his sights. Absolutely. Great sense of humor too. Okay, so with that we will adjourn and ask our PUSD colleagues to adjourn and also adjourn in memory of Senator Nate Holden. Okay, with that, we next will move on to our agenda and start with item two, and this is the City and School District Partnership, coordinated response and recovery efforts related to the Eden Fire. And let me just on behalf of all and our entire community think the school board and school district for a terrific partnership in the worst of circumstances. And I'll turn it over to our study manager. And our superintendent, Dr. Blanco. So thank you. And let me start by saying that our partnership begins and it thrives on the idea that we work very hard to be in regular communication on joint issues that affect the community that we both serve. So that includes keeping in touch on extreme weather events. As those events develop, we often discuss with whether or not PUCD schools were closed. For example, we had record rainfall recently. You may remember, it was about a year ago, I suppose, but we had more rain than we'd ever seen come down in Pasadena at one time. And there was a question, do you keep the schools open or not? And I was in regular communication with the superintendent, and she, in turn, was in communication with other partners in the school district world. And in that case, we decided not to close the schools, or you all decided not to close the schools. And we were there 100% in support of the decisions doing everything we could to facilitate that decision making. A lot of it having to do with our close connection with the National Weather Service. So we get the best updates on weather as part of our firefighting efforts and other efforts we undertake at the county, amount of the city. and we share those as much as we can with the superintendent. Now turning to the wind and the fire events that happened this past January. As the forecast for extreme winds continued to materialize, I recall vividly still Monday, January 6th, 6 a.m. the morning over the weekend that contacted the superintendent. And I let her know that we would be meeting that Monday at 6 a.m. to hear a report from the National Weather Service so we could better prepare. She said that she and her team would appreciate and would join that meeting and they did. At that call I also invited the superintendent and her senior team to all of our subsequent EOC meeting calls. EOC is the emergency operations center. During the wind storm and the fires that occurred, we would meet every morning and we meet every afternoon. We'd start with the briefing from weather, we'd start with the briefing from fire, and then we'd move on to reports. And in those reports, the school just would share its challenges and ask for support. And likewise, we would do the same and we would support each other.. More specifically on the first night of the fire, I must have called the superintendent 10, 11 times that night, overnight as she kept calling me frankly and asking how about this school? Is it on fire? How about that school? And we were trying to give directions to fire to help protect some of our schools because of the important community role they play along with everybody else as well. Once the fire happened, they still recall 22 hours after it happened not even a full day. We put together press conference out in front of the convention center where we had an evacuation center set up. And we wanted to make sure that the superintendent was one of the speakers that spoke as people wondered what about school, what's going to happen next. So we made sure to include the superintendent in that call or in that press conference. And then to communicate a united front, the school district, the day or two or three later, I can't remember that part's jumbled in my mind. But we were asked, the mayor and myself were asked to attend the press conference at the school district offices. and the mayor in fact made comments as well as many of you. Postfire as the district confronted one issue after another, all of my department heads were in direct cell phone communication with the superintendent and her team, as they looked to resolve one issue after another. I'm not going to spend the time here to tell you the litany of issues that we confronted jointly, but I can tell you that among the departments that were in regular communication with the superintendent and her staff were police, fire, public health, public works, parks, and so many other of our departments. One of the notable activities we undertook is we have a mass unit that is located up in the Incanean and their facilities burned. And so we moved them over to the Jefferson campus to continue that work. It's a job creates a job skills program that helps folks who are looking for skills to get those skills and get better jobs. We had redone some classrooms over at Jefferson and had them there temporarily. And then I got a call from the superintendent. And we needed some support. You all needed some support to have some pre-K kids there. So we moved Mash again and made room. And I think there's either three or four classes there, currently. And you'll hear about that later on. One last piece I'll speak about is the soil testing. We had been in constant communication with the school district about soil testing. We are trying to coordinate our efforts on soil testing at our parks, at our schools, to get a good sense throughout the community of what we're seeing with respect to contaminants in the soil. And that's a work in progress, thankfully. To date, we have received positive test results, but that's an ongoing work stream and one that we've done closely in coordination. So again, these are just a few examples, at least from the city's perspective, of things that we did with the school district. And with that, I will now turn it over to my partner here, Superintendent Dr. Blanco. Well, good evening. You covered a lot of our efforts together, but I do want to say thank you to everyone here and for all of you who feel comfortable calling me whenever you need something in your community and I'm thankful for the mayor's relationship with us and I feel that the district you know needs to move forward in unity with you as a partner in order to rebuild and restore our communities around us. So that's much appreciated. And as Miguel said, we're going to continue to work together and work with the health department to make sure that our students remain safe and that their health and safety is at the forefront of all the decisions we're making. I also want to mention Mr. Line helped us coordinate traffic flow with bringing Arts Magnet to the McKinley site. And that was an undertaking and then also with Ellen Dale. So those supports and connecting us to the right people. So the neighbors, you know, felt comfortable with all these new people coming to their neighborhood is really important and we want, you know, to continue to work with our communities that you serve. I know you and our board members are the first ones on the front line hearing from them. And when we stand together united, I think it makes a difference for the community. Thank you. And with that, we're happy to answer any questions. OK, questions? Is your line? Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. And welcome. And welcome to Mr. Bravo-Kareemey, Ms. Horvath, and Dr. Canal, and Dr. Brnoe. So, and all my colleagues on the board. I just wanted to say it's not so much a question as a comment that we had just been delighted to have kids in Allendale Elementary again. The Al-Dedina Arts Magnet community has been such a blessing to our community. And I hear they don't want to leave, which I like. And it is just as fantastic to have kids running around in the neighborhood again and all those voices. And so thank you for accelerating the timeline to get them there. And congratulations on being named Superintendent of the Year. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Next I'll call on Miss Kenny and then Mr. Masuda. So this question may be a little off topic, but it has to do with recovery because I've seen in the new some of your budget stories. And I noticed that I'm assuming partially because of the fire that you're expecting sales tax to go down a little bit. And since we share in sales tax, I wasn't sure if you had been communicating with our business folks about what we might be expecting in the next year. You know, we do have regular quarterly meetings with our sales tax consultant and they have been given this update and you know, we're looking at flat revenues. I'm not sure if that has been communicated and here comes my director of finance finance, Matthew Hawksworth, whether that's been communicated to the school district, but we certainly can. Mr. Hawksworth, the question is whether we've been in the communication about sales tax revenues that the impact it might have on the school district's finances? Good evening, Matt Hawksworth, director of finance. The good news is that our measure eye local sales tax is remained largely robust through the last year. We are certainly starting to feel some of the pressures in the new vehicle and auto sales category, which is if you watch the news that that's a struggling category nationwide. But we also also know that because of the fire and the need for people to rebuild and buy things, we're going to get some benefit from some of our local industries in those categories. The other thing is that sales tax is on a three to six month delay in terms of when we actually get revenue information. And that's the hardest part is waiting to find out. But we have guarded optimism. But for the last couple of years, our sales tax has been relatively flat. And that's what we're looking at, at least, for the next year as well, is probably a flat tax base, but that's better than a declining tax base, which you're hearing a lot of other government agencies are challenged with. Mr. Bessuda? Well, thank you both for the report and what happened during the fire. As most of you might know that in my district, we lost the most homes in Pasadena. And so what was on our minds is when the students be able to come back to Pasadena. And that's so important to us. So do you have a plan on working with the students that are not at their homes right now? And do you know how many are your county on coming back? I want to know what my question is, do you know what your strategy is to have them come back to Pasadena, PUSD? Many of our students have not left. I think at this time, their parents are willing, our caregivers to drive to Pasadena because they want them to be with their teachers and people they know and friends. We did send out a survey intent to return for next year because we don't know how many people will grow tired of driving really far or not might, they might not be able to do that depending on their work. That's been pretty amazing to us. We have lost, you know, maybe 100 kids, district wide, but then another 100 will enroll. So it's been fluctuating back and forth. It has not been the drop that we had expected to see We've been monitoring it monthly So we can look and get back to you on how many in your particular area might have disenrolled and then we can send all of you the latest enrollment report of who's enrolled and who's unenrolled. Thank you. And we still have our court center for independent study and some of the students have enrolled in that they've moved like out of the state because they plan to come back. I'm not worried about this year. I'm worried about next year. That's what I'm concerned about. I think a lot of us are. We agree with you with that concern. So, you know, like I said, we were quite surprised to see how many people came back and want their children to be with people they know for that comfort. So, you know, we're monitoring closely and probably can get back to you maybe in June. We'll send you an update and now and then an update then. Thank you. Okay, Mr. Hampton, followed by Mr. Lyon. Thank you for all the work that you guys are doing. I'm gonna make my comment really quick. One of the things as we talk about the fire response, this in recovery, the recovery is the biggest piece. And I have to say that, I have to think, the United States Army Corps of Engineers as fast as they are clearing these lots, it's important. But one thing is financial constraints for families. And one of those barriers to rebuilding is paying for permits. And so I've been on this since day two of the fire. And I've been asking city staff to reduce the rates of our permit fees. There's one caveat. There's one piece. And it's significant piece and it's the PUSD fee for permit fees. I was wondering if the PUSD school board had looked at for the homes that were lost in the fire. Would you guys reduce no need to apologize to me. I just lost my whole train of thought. I just lost my whole train of thought. No, this one. So I was just wondering as a board looked at or you looked at reducing those fees for the residents as they are going back into rebuild so that we can restitch this community back together. We have not had that conversation you know prior to the fire as part of our revenue enhancement we were exploring raising those fees because they have not been increased for quite some time so we can definitely have that conversation about what would be the best way forward. Obviously we want to do its best for our families. Perfect. Thank you. I think raising the fees will probably not be the- No, not at this time. Yeah, not at this time, but yes, if there's a way to reduce them, I appreciate that. Thank you. OK. Mr. Lion followed by by. And my followed by Ms. Tina Friedrichs. I'll do my best council member Lyon in personation. But when we talk about partnership, we also talk about shared communication. And I think first of all, I want to say I'm the newest member of the past being unified school board so it's been a lot since day one but one of the things that I've admired is from those initial days the coordination, the excellent coordination of our superintendent leadership team really just diving into trying to find some action plan in those first few days of the fire. But one of the things was really communicating building that microsite so that our families could stay connected to the latest information and then also being forefront in terms of being honest and forefront about safety, student safety. And then as we move through the process, really that coordination piece, and I think one of the things that I've been appreciative of is some coordination and communication with remediation that's happening within the city limits. Some of our school sites that are open are close to locations that are being remediated and that the coordination with the principles of those school sites so that action can be taken so that students are not exposed unnecessarily to debris. And then the last piece is the flux that I think Council Member Macyuda touched on the idea of making sure we retain our families. And I think one of the things that's been important in this is flexibility in terms of enrollment. We've been remarkably flexible in terms of letting families move to different school sites, temporarily use our CIS Academy for online learning so that we hopefully we've been able to have continuity and education so that they feel when they're ready to return to those those home locations that they're able to do so and I'm proud that we've been able to allow for that. Thank you. Miss Reddrix. Thank you for the presentation. My question is regarding the soil testing. POSD has Pasadena, Althedena, and Sierra Madre. So what is the coordination with the county level public health department? I know that there were some surprises of testing along the way. Is there that coordination where there is consistent communication among the cities and the county level? Because to address council member Macyda's concern is number one is safety and that's what families need to have confidence in. The other thing is kids want to be with their friends. They want to be with their teachers. So that is really like probably the two strongest factor. And I think that we pretty much have a place for all our kids. They want to come back. There's been families that have been displaced to LA, you know, really far away. And they've found their way back somehow, back to our schools because they just, you want to be with your friends. When you're a little kid, you want to be with your friends. So that bond is so strong. But I was one of you to speak to the safety issues moving forward. So I will say that Mr. Bravo, Kareemia, Mr. Carvona, have done an excellent job at making sure that all meetings since there were a couple of miscommunications have all partners at the table that include both health departments, the EPA, the DTSC, and anyone else that has involvement so that we're all hearing the same message and having the same agreements coming out. So I think in the future there won't be any disconnects. Mr. Madison followed by Ms. Hawley. Thank you, Mayor. Thanks very much to all of our school district representatives, the board administration and you know, we I suppose a very small silver lining in January 7 was that it really reinforced the importance of coordination and collaboration and I know that Everyone in this room can hold their heads high for that. I do want to ask about faculty and staff who lost their homes. I know on the city side, we have a number who were affected, including public safety personnel who were fighting the fires as they were losing their own homes. Does the district have a good handle on how many district faculty employees staff were directly affected in that way? As we have about 120 employees that lost their homes, but some of them also have multiple family members that lived in the same blocks or the same vicinity of them, even though they're not employees. And then close to a thousand students have lost their homes. Well, our heart goes out to them and I think it really is incumbent on us to do our level best in the entire recovery. And I know our city is committed to that. Our planning staff is well-equipped and extremely capable to process applications for those limited number of sites that are in Pasadena, regrettably as Board Member Frederick's indicated. Most of the damage was in the county jurisdiction, and I can't vouch for that. I just, you know, I think that's a different story. But anything we can do to help with those, both the children and families, but also your own team, you know, the faculty, staff, administration, please let us know how we can support them. And I, you know, I am really concerned about the children because I think they experienced that trauma in a very different and maybe more profound way than adults do. So again, all our best in handling that additional challenge of your mission. Thank you. One thing all of you can do, I know you do have relationships with senators and assembly people and we really need them to understand that we need hold harmless for more than one year. This is a long term impact on the school district and it was very difficult for us to have to go through the processes we went through with layoffs. nobody wanted to do that. We were resolving a problem that was prefire, right? And they're going to help us with postfire for this year and for next year a hold harmless if the governor's budget passes. But just to let them know the importance of having this hold harmless on our average daily attendance for more than one year would be very helpful. So with the mayor and my colleagues permission I'm the chair of the LEGE policy committee so let's communicate offline about how we can help with specific legislative initiatives to support you. Thank you. Well I think it would be helpful for the entire council to know. So maybe formally send the council a request that we'll handle to the legislative policy. Yes, we can send you the letters and backup materials that we have sent them. Yeah, great. Thank you. Okay. Yeah, and then Mr. Hampton, did you have a suggestion on it? I was just suggesting that if this is something that the USD, um, needs and we need because whatever the USD needs, the city needs as well, um, that we should just sign a joint letter and maybe that could be a motion from Councilmember Madison tonight that we figure out the verbiage and what not. And we just do that today while we're all here. Thank you. Well, I appreciate that sentiment. I would say we're having a ledge policy in a couple of weeks. I would much rather get that the details of it and then come back to the council with that. It sounds like the district's already vigorously pursuing that. So if you're OK with that, but again, I really appreciate that. Yeah, I think sending it to us and also to Sierra Madre and asking for their support and to the board of supervisors as well. Thank you. Sorry about that. I'm just an ag now type guy. My surprise. President Holly. Thank you for the presentation. I appreciate it. I just wanted to say that talking about the enrollment issue for next year, which I've heard a lot of people are worried about it. And I am too. So the rebuild in Al-Tedene, I have such faith in my colleagues and community members there. So focused on Al-Tedene, but to support, and really help them out on their rebuild will help our enrollment. Once people can get back into their homes and I do have faith that they will want to be in PUSD because no other district in Southern California is offering what we're offering with our all-star musical and the dual in language and our new storytelling academy that's going to be opening. So we have so much to offer and we do want to retain our children, but they absolutely have to have their houses. So thank you. Thank you, Mr. Jones. Thanks, Marin. First, thank you for your service, Dr. Golanke and Miguel, on your coordination. I think it was very helpful for our residents that we represent. I have two questions. One is related to enrollment. So I understand this year it seems like there's a way or a strength to come back to the schools no matter how far the student and their families are living away from pasting her out to Dina. However, have you identified any transportation barriers for next year? And are you kind of like mapping it out or grouping together where certain families are and maybe providing carpool or vanpool so they can get to their school if they decide to return to PUSD next year? We haven't done that yet with the exception of students with IEPs who have transportation in their IEPs and I think we've gone pretty far out to make sure they can come to school and you know the students are falling under the Ventoma Kenny Act right and they do receive some services for families and transition. It's not that we have a great resource in that area, but that is something that we should look at if they need that kind of support. We were really pleasantly surprised that either was not any request for transportation for Meltsadena Arts Magnet to go to Ellendale. So we thought maybe people were going gonna say, I can't get there, but. So I think parents have helped each other out and we should create that network for them too. That's beautiful. And then the second question relates to around the trauma. So what opportunities has the district created for students to process and reflect on the Eden Fire, whether that's through counseling or classroom discussions or creative expression. And I bring that up because my cousin attends PHS. And he says oftentimes there's a lot of conversation going on between the students about the Eden Fire and whether or not their home burned down or how they were impacted. And then we were at the Marin Eye, we were at Ph.S. football's banquet and talking to some of those athletes. They're same thing, right? How they were impacted. So I'm just wondering what the district, what type of opportunities is the district providing for students to express their, to express their, or to reflect on the impact of the infire. So our return to school, we did spend a day training all of our staff members, teachers in particular, how to respond to the students in circles. We've had a strong social, emotional curriculum for some time, but our teachers have told us they would like more training in that area. And so our launch of the school year is going to be completely focused on wellness type of training. We had a lot of support from other school districts and the county when everything happened, but all of the people that were helping us, they do have regular jobs as well. So they had to return to them. Dr. Rino, so is here, and she was sharing with me this afternoon about some additional grants that we're going out for. State grants, and then also there is a federal grant. The federal government came to visit Al-Tedina Arts Magnet and that particular office is help school districts recover from disasters so we have asked for additional mental health services from them but that is a real need right and we created the MTSS teaching job that's going to look at social emotional and academics. That's helped bring some of our teachers back. We do have a partnership with social workers and interns that we were putting in every school prior to the fire, but to be honest with you, it's still not enough mental health support. What was really nice about the people that came to visit us and help us during the first few weeks is that they also talked to the adults that were in trauma. And so we know that there are adults in trauma and telling them to go to the EES program that's part of their health benefits and is something they're always not comfortable doing right because they're like it's my job and then I'm going to report you know I have a mental health issue so there is a need for people to still receive those services. We've also purchased a new online system to help parents have tele therapy at home But going to be, I think, the greatest need when we come back because people do go in and out of grief in the cycle, right? And there'll be times when they really need that support. Yeah, thank you. Appreciate that. Mr. Hampton? I'm so sorry I didn't ask this question the first time around. I received a correspondence from a resident who was requesting or wants to know, not requesting. Well, I guess this is requesting. Want to know if PUSD, according to the email that was sent to me, L-A-U-S-D recently retested the schools after they've cleaned them. One to know PUSD was planning on doing the same thing and the reason why L.A. U.S.D. did it according to what I just pulled up on L.A. U.S.D.'s website was because of the amount of trucks that are driving past these schools now that that it was appropriate to retest. So I was wondering if PUSD was planning on that as well. right now we're trying to get through the soil testing process with LAUSD they have a whole environmental department as part of their school district but Mr. Bravo Karemi and I came from LAUSD so he has lots of close friends there and Mr. Carvello said yes you can call upon them at any time and they have offered to help us if we needed additional help in testing. So if that, you know, surfaces as a need, we can ask them or go back to our insurance and see if they would be willing to do that a second time. I guess my question is there's a, is there a plan to ask this question or? We have a, we haven't got to that stage yet. We're responding to our residents right now in terms of the soil, but I will definitely discuss it with our risk manager, Mr. Dr. Canales here this evening too, to see what the environmental hygienist recommends as well. You have an ETA on how long will it be before the soil testing is complete? Well, we're hoping that we will get some communication out very soon with You know within the next week. We're working with like I said all of the agencies It's complex because we don't want to say that there is you know You've we found this this and this we want to be able to found this, and here's the remediation plan, because people want to know what's next. So we're working with your health department and LA County Health Department and the other agencies to talk about safety levels, but their preliminary results are beginning to come in. Well, thank you, and I hope that you guys consider retesting, again, especially the school sites that are closest to the burn area, Jackson, Muir, Althedena, is Althedena going to reopen? At this time, the Board passed a resolution, not to reopen until January of next year. So we'll be tested prior to students going into the campus. Okay, thank you. Thank you, public comment. Public comment on item two. Start with Renee Gonzalez, then Alan Shea, then Mandy Moss. Thank you. Mr. Gonzalez. And if you heard your name, if you can start to make your way to the front. Yeah. Good evening, Mayor Gordo. Superintendent Blanco, leadership of PUSD and council members. There's a mural on Roosevelt Elementary by Helen Keller that says, alone, we can do so little. Together, we can do so much. So I think that applies to just about everything, even if I wanted to lift this by myself, it's impossible. I really don't understand why these meetings are only once a year. I think that it will make sense to see both of you guys at least quarterly, especially during a... This is a perfect example, but I'll say it as a norm, I think it's more productive for the constituents. The children and the families to have you guys work on the best interests of your constituents. And that is not happening. I haven't seen that happening in forever. And so I think that a more close approach will yield better results for the benefit of these communities. For example, the IAR, the citizen's oversight committee at the PUSD needs to be replaced by a citizen's oversight and reform committee so that the spending on materials and contracts and everything is more competitive and they have more money to do more stuff. Also the IRP, the independent or the IRP from the city of Pasadena that needs square footage on solar panel, that can also be a partnership between you guys and the PUSD installing large farms on solar farms on PUSD grounds versus handing the benefits of sustainable energy to outside other state contractors that which is what happened with the power purchase agreement Which I was totally against but it's done. I mean it's okay. Did my time in there? Yes Like in the front. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you Alan Shae then Mandy Mosk Holmes is participating virtually welcome Good afternoon or evening or night to the board and also to the city council. I come before you because after what I've heard today, it reinforces what I've been coming before this council member about which is to formulate a new type of funding that we can create a real community project, especially in the wake of the Eden, Canyon, Fire. Everything that we've talked about from trauma to housing to all this stuff, we should be able to formulate a plan of action through resources that will make a robust recovery process that can be an example of leadership coming out of Pasadena. But it has to come from this body right before us. And I am honored because I see people like Kimberly, I see people like Patreese, like Michelle, who's inspired me, all these people in our community that's helped me throughout the years of understanding our community. Let's take action. We have a chance, but the only way that's gonna happen is we have to formulate what I would suggest we call a Pasadena Community Recovery Investment. If we do that as a community, we could put money back in, we could raise tax dollars because we got jobs, we got people we can create hope, we can create money for funding for people who are dealing with trauma. This is what this leadership should be doing today, and making sure that everybody feels that we got leaders. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Shay, next speaker. Mandy Moss Holmes. Miss Moss Holmes. Hi, can you hear me? Yes. You have two minutes. I'll bring a bell when you have 30 seconds. Go ahead. Thank you. My name is Mandy Holmes. My son is in first grade at Abison schools, which our campus, our elementary school campus burned down in have not been mentioned the charter schools, three of which, three of the five schools that burned down were charter schools. So I wanted to bring up us and make sure that we stay in this conversation. Avisin was founded by a mom whose daughter had disabilities and they were drowning in their district school. So she started a school with a pedagogy that supported neurodivergent brains social emotional learning standing up for others and ourselves and we have more children with disabilities because of that pedagogy And they thrive at our school my son has disabilities and he is thriving at our school our campus was part of our identity our campus was Something we were incredibly proud of we We did so much work putting improvements into that campus, creating it, and we were renting the space from P.E.S.D. because we're a charter, but because it mattered to us, we input into the space. We added more green space. We added more, our garden was a magical place that especially kids with disabilities loved, you know, to go and to get their hands in the soil and learn and grow. They loved our chickens. It was the first thing they all asked about was the garden and the chickens when the fire happened. These are the kind of things that Abison does and we're really proud of the things that make up what we call the Abison way and the education that our children receive and what it means to be a good global citizen and a leader. We have a family helping families program that exploded after the fire our PTA raised over $120,000 that dispersed to over 140 affected families that we had. We had food deliveries being made parents but we had apparently liaisons, you know, holding these families in their hearts, in their hands, it was incredible. I'm not sure time has expired. Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't see that. Thank you. Okay, just please remember to keep us in this conversation, especially regarding the students that have left the district because I don't think that Superintendent Longco included our students because there were almost a hundred. So. Thanks. Yeah. That completes public comment on this item. Now we'd like to go to item three. Status update on partnership between City and Pasadena Unified School District regarding the joint use of Jefferson campus. Good evening. Is it in my phone? Can you hear me okay? Yeah, thanks. Good evening, Mark. More Mayor Gordo, President Lee, School Board members and Council members, staff and community members. I'm Tim McDonald, Library Director for the City of Pasadena. I will be joined in a few minutes by Dr. Hill, Chief Academic Officer for Pasadena Unified School District, on a presentation on the joint use of Jefferson Elementary School. I'm going to get my clicker. OK. The City of Pasadena and PUSD have previously entered into a joint use agreement of facilities to provide for the reciprocal and fullest use of facilities of all types through the use by the city of PUSD facilities and vice versa. In accordance with that agreement, a specific MOU related to the use of Jefferson, elementary school was developed in December of 2021, giving the city and the district joint use of the Jefferson School. The city is committed to its ongoing partnership with PUSD to benefit students, their families, and the district. The city reaffirms this commitment in the aftermath of the Eaton Fire in recognition of the immediate needs of the district that have arisen. This includes dedicating space at Jefferson for four district pre-Cundergarden classes that have relocated to that campus from Cleveland. four city departments currently have operations at the Jefferson School Department of Libraries and Information Services, Parks, Recreation and Community Services, the Fire Department and the Police Department. The division of the campus into these four broad uses allows for programs and services that benefit the community, including district students and families. In addition to these ongoing programs and services, Jefferson was the site of critical emergency response activities during the Eden Fire and its aftermath. Greater detail on the uses and hours of operation at Jefferson are included in the staff report that accompanies this agenda report. And I'll do my best to describe the non-library related uses as well as the library uses on campus. So we'll start with a library. Serving as the library systems hub for youth services, Jefferson branch library includes the Children's Library and teen library. The Children's Library features a preschool play space, special collections to support our early learners, educator collections, and it houses the city's office of the young child. It serves as one of the city's early childhood hub locations, providing resources to families with children's ages 0 to 5 to promote health safety, well-being and learning. Serving families' youth and teens, Jefferson Branch Library is staffed by our Youth Services Division. Programs range from critical early literacy support, such Storytime Programs to School Readiness Initiatives. In collaboration with the Pasadena Public Health Department, the library offers free one-on-one consultation services for parents and caregivers of Children 8.0-5 with a family navigator that is a public health department employee. Given its large, versatile space, Jefferson Branch also hosts sensory programs and parents social hours catering to families with children with disabilities and connecting them to resources here in Pasadena. the last year between April of 2024 and March of 2025, Jefferson offered 15 sessions of sensory story time for neurodiverse learners and children with sensory processing needs with a total attendance of 268. This adaptive program remains one of the branch libraries most inclusive programs. Both the city and the district recognize the need to maximize educational and recreational opportunities in all of their respective facilities and the joint use agreements and body that combined effort in that regard. A few programs of note, center of this slide, Barks and Books. It's a monthly reading program that builds confidence in children's reading, but children read the therapy dogs in a comm setting, and there were 236 participants over the last year, including PUSD students. In the summer of 2024, Jefferson Branch Library served 1,600 and 19 free meals to youth through the lunch at the library program. This initiative, part of a statewide effort, that engaged 2,940 participants, that includes parents and caregivers that participated to. It not only addressed food insecurity, but fosters learning, literacy, and job development through a teen volunteer program. Seventeen volunteers assist with that program and gain job skills by supporting that lunch at the library program. It's an annual program that serves community members, including PUSD families. statistics represent a year of metrics of library services at the Jefferson campus. The library materials collection is well used. Program attendance is robust and growing. And that volunteer program is providing excellent job training and development opportunities for teens. We estimate that 2,116 PUSD students have been positively impacted by programs and services at Jefferson School in the last year. The Jefferson Branch Library, which is, as I said earlier, is home to the Library's Youth Services team, are the leaders system-wide for the implementation of children's library services program across the city. And that team coordinates programs outreach and training for all 10 branch libraries across the city. It's dedicated space and flexible layout support efficient city-wide service delivery. Youth services staff lead system-wide logistics, staff development, and create promotional training and activity materials to ensure consistent high quality service. The division also standardizes program kits and curriculum walkthroughs for unified implementation of initiatives and seasonal campaigns like summer reading programs. System-wide programs and the performance measures are listed on this slide. Now I'm going to introduce Dr. Hill. We'll talk about the partnerships that have been very successful between PUSD and the city. All right, good evening. Much like has been thematic tonight. I want to talk about the partnership in time, pre-fire and post-fire. The partnership is something that we have formalized for quite some time because PUSD, as an educational system, believes that literacy is at the core of all of learning. And the city's public libraries are a key space to take advantage of making sure that our citywide initiatives are not just isolated to the students who are in our schools, but being able to engage families and the community in those endeavors even outside of the schools. So as you can see, we've always incorporated walking trips to the local libraries from many of our schools, but in the last year, so we did some more specific outreach between certain schools and particular branches. That resulted in not only having field trips to the libraries that were based around school day visits, but also embedding it into our summer field trips through our expanded learning programs, and then additionally, for this school year, having had success in the last summer, we embedded them into our after-school programs as well. One aspect that I wanted to also highlight is a specific pilot that we did with Madison Elementary School, which is located closest to the Villa Park branch, but also spent some time collaborating with the youth and teen services over at the Jefferson Library. So in collaboration with members of our Board of Education and the city staff, we decided to expand the focus that Madison has had on literacy throughout the school year to also take on mathematics, which is not something you typically think of when you think of libraries. However, as I said, literacy is the core of all learning, and there's a lot of research that says that literacy and math achievement are very much intertwined. So with the summer project, we initially started with the idea of providing students over 400 of them, each their own individual math learning workbook that could be done independently, or worked on with Madison's summer program teachers, or with learning hours that were established at the local branches at Jefferson and at Villa Park. So in partnership, we rolled out just hoping to engage students in continuous learning. But there are really two objectives of this summer program. One was continuity of learning to make sure that there were no gaps, that there was some extended learning around mathematics, some excitement and enthusiasm. But in addition, we wanted to ramp up family engagement and help them to see everything centered around the academic achievement at their students. That also resulted in not only the libraries helping us to do the initial purchase of these workbooks and provide hours for tutors at their libraries, but to also work alongside other city departments to provide really fun family events in the evenings and on the weekends throughout the summer at Madison. We had engagement levels that topped 1,000 and we were able to provide resource fairs that included health and immunization and you know knowledge around safety in the city as well as your typical learning resource fair that would happen all combined into one movie nights and things like that. like that. So we really felt that those engagement needs were exceeded the expectations that we had in those goals. And we're going to roll out again this summer with very similar structure. Now, post-fire, we also realized what a strong partnership this could be. Because as you know, part of the Joint Youth Agreement at Jefferson is that we maintain a year-round children center with preschool age children that attend P.O.C. classes on site. After the fires took away some of our locations, one of the locations that had to actually be relocated was our early childhood offices and several classes in embedded instruction and Spanish dual language that were also co-located with our early childhood offices. The offices moved over to Webster Elementary, but there was not enough space to house the additional four classes. These are students in the embedded instruction in particular, students with disability students on IEPs that are included in a general setting. So the continuity of learning for those students was really important as is for all of our kids, but in particular, students who need that continuity. So the ability for us to transition really quickly and utilize some additional space over Jefferson was a huge benefit to all. And all in all, there are about 50 students that we transitioned over to that location. Additionally, we also were able in the immediate weeks after the fire started. We were able to launch our childcare. That was a very important thing for all of us to be able to support the adults in our community who were needing to tend to a lot of important things due to the fire. And quite reasonably, they reached out to the school district asking when could we take their children. And with our locations not being able to be utilized, we were able to convert the Jefferson Library Center into an entire childcare center where our expanded learning team brought in our youth leaders from our after school program called Learns. And they served 200 children a day. That was just the capacity. We easily could have registered more students. But in that time period, we were able to make sure that our kids were safe. And in addition, we were able to keep them in conversation. Something that Councilmember Jones actually alluded to earlier in the presentation is that the mental health concerns really can boil up in isolation without skilled facilitator or adults. And one of the added benefits to not only having a pre-built youth and teen center that had the resources that we could come in and do activities that are, you know, education bound with the students was that we also had access to the fire academy. And in no greater coincidence of time, these are individuals who are really really well skilled in talking to children about what was happening around them and to reassure them and you can see one of the photos there are actually some of our students who took advantage of the childcare engaging with some of the trainees from the fire Academy so much appreciation for the continued partnership and we'll continue to grow. To a fact to follow, let's see. So we talked about take the I'll do my best to talk some a little bit about the non-library programs and services that are happening at Jefferson. So starting with this slide emergency response and education play a central role at the Jefferson campus. It is the home of the JTC, the Jefferson Training Academy led by the Fire Department. The Pasadena Fire Department's training division now operates from Jefferson using the space for firefighter instruction, equipment storage, and Pasadena City College EMT and first responder courses too, which I'll talk a little bit about tonight. Currently, the captain's academy is in session, equipping candidates with leadership skills required for the role of company officer. Other specialized training programs hosted at the JTC are listed here. You can see it's a robust schedule of offerings. And projected classes for the fall of 2025 are listed here. Again, a full slate of courses that are taught either by the fire academy, by the pardon me, by the fire department or by the faculty at Pasadena City College or together. During the emergency response to the Eden Fire 533 individuals attended wellness sessions provided in partnership with the Fire and Police departments. These programs were vital for addressing trauma, providing childcare alternatives, and offering structured safe educational experiences during the crisis as Dr. Hill described. On an ongoing basis, the city holds recurring programs at the campus and Jefferson, for example, hosted an end of the summer reading bash in 2024 with some pictures here to conclude the summer reading challenge welcoming more than 150 attendees, including many PUSD students and families. The celebration included games, crafts, recognition of top readers and interactive activities, capping off a record season that contributed to the citywide success of the summer reading challenge which saw participation from over 4,000 readers across the city and helping to reduce that summer slide between academic years. The Teen Library boasts a large collection of steam kits, an innovation lab with makerspace equipment, video games, puzzles, board games, a mental health information center, and the largest young adult book collection in the library system. In 2023, the Jefferson Branch hosted the Pasadena Lovesia YA, a young adult Pasadena Lovesia Festival, which brings together about more than a dozen local authors of young adult literature and draw, drew approximately 250 attendees to that event, many of whom were PUSD students. The event underscores a city's commitment to literacy and lifelong learning. Jefferson ongoing focus on teen engagement is further reflected in over a thousand volunteer hours over the last year from teens working at the library. Jefferson is also the site of the level up youth leadership conference, which is co-sponsored by Collaborate Pasadena, based on a collective impact model. Collaborate Pasadena is a supportive framework of the school district and the city made up of individuals, organizations, and businesses dedicated to improving the lives of children and families. Its vision is for every child in Pasadena, all to D, and Sierra Madre to grow up in a safe, stable, and supportive environment that prepares them for success in school and life. Collaborate Pasadena staff is housed at the Jefferson campus. The friends of the Pasadena Public Library book store operates at Jefferson receiving donations of gently used books and selling them at low prices. And that revenue is given, is supports library programming, such as the annual One City, One Story program that this year hosted Percival Ever, local author who won the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction a few weeks after his presentation year in the city. So we're very grateful to the friends and their work in the bookstore. In the aftermath of the Eaton Fire programs included activities designed to bolster emotional intelligence and academic progress during a challenging time. The combined efforts of library staff, fire and police department staff created a safe, supportive and educational environment for the children. During this time, the fire department and the police department played vital roles supporting children at the Jefferson Branch Library. The department's visited the library to engage with children and provide critical information. The fire department demonstrated firefighting equipment, explained fire safety through child-friendly game-like activities. And these sessions helped children better understand fire safety while fostering discussions about resilience and coping strategies. The police department also conducted visits, providing emotional support, and teaching children how to stay calm during stressful times. The officers focused on children, pardon me, focused on helping children process their emotions, promoting mental wellness and emotional resilience during the crisis. The Jefferson Training Academy includes conservation-minded training tools like this pump pod that saved two and a half million gallons of water during training exercises, projecting an annual conservation of 4.7 million gallons. Providing career technical education, this facility is vital for conducting daily operations, including ongoing in-service instruction for over 160 fire personnel and housing the fire training and evaluation program which all new recruits must complete. At Jefferson, newly hired firefighters undergo intensive training to become certified fire department professionals. The center also serves as storage and staging area for essential equipment and backup vehicles. This includes a fire reserve truck, multiple spare engines, a pump pod, a mobile shower unit, training vans, support vehicles, a rescue car trailer, forklift, and other items. Beyond recruit training, the Jefferson training center plays a critical role in maintaining the skills of current firefighters. Two. Professional development is a priority here and an opportunity for current personnel to seek promotional opportunities such as the engineer testing process. This is a picture of the partnership with PUS, pardon me, with Pasadena City College, which leads those EMT and paramedic training courses. The joint initiative between the city and PSD prepares students for careers in fire service, emergency medical response, and disaster readiness, while strengthening the connection between academic coursework and professional service by having those fire professionals and college professors working together to teach those courses. Current enrollment is 38 cadets, and employment outcomes include cadets hired by service agencies. The Pasadena Police Activities League operates out of six classrooms on campus, offering after-school education, sports and arts programming for over 60 youth, including transportation to the program after school. The secure campus and access to Jefferson Park across the street creates an ideal location for the program and has allowed them to greatly expand from their former location. And finally, to meet the growing demand for pickleball courts in the city, the city has installed two pickleball courts just east of the cafeteria building, and courts are open seven days a week from 9 a.m. until dusk. So in summary, the Jefferson campus has become a vital hub of activity for multiple departments and agencies across the city creating opportunities for education, recreation, and well-being. It's terrific to see the natural evolution of programs with the synergy of all the tenants on campus and know that the needs of the community are being recognized and met through the partnerships that are occurring there. The city is grateful to the district for this partnership and I'm happy to answer any questions. Thank you very much. That was very informative. Do we have questions? And we have Council member Cole is first up. Thank you, Madam President. And thank you to our colleagues on the school board for joining us this evening as others have said. I represent the district where the council district where Jeffers is located and I can speak favorably about all the programs that we offer there. It's an exciting place. It's where I hold my monthly issue forums and it's also where I was recently as Saturday for the Fire Services Day where we were able to have a huge turnout of folks to learn more about our service, including a lot of kids. My question is, and a great presentation, and great programs, particularly from the library. My question is for Dr. Hill. So Dr. Hill, you and Mr. McDonald outlined some of the really exciting programs for specific campuses and specific need areas. Is there any ongoing collaboration between the library and the school district for pre-K preparation for elementary school curriculum for secondary school curriculum and programs for all the campuses in the school districts so that when your students leave they are directed to the library and at the library we're ready to offer congruent services that reinforce what you're teaching during the school day. That's an excellent model to actually even lay out like that. So yes, I would say that it is more formalized in certain spaces like the Madison pilot, but one of the great circumstances that we've gotten to know know senior librarian Jane Gov. Very much, she heads the youth and teen library services. And she actually, as of yesterday's met with the team multiple times this month, planning head for the summer and throughout the year, there's some pretty firm communication. When it comes to the pre-K and early education, we also have the benefit of the Office of the Young Child, partnering with us and our early childhood director to collaborate on some of these concerns. I will say that one of the things that we hoped to come out of the Madison partnership was ability to scale out to some degree around not just having the family engagement loop that occurs, but also just formalizing some of the already stated programs that the libraries run and how we can use those to tap into reward systems and incentives for our students. So one of the things that we focused on at the initial start of the partnership was increasing library membership, so that families would know, okay, if you don't find it in your school library, here's another place that you can go, and then increasing exposure to tutoring centers, so that if you wanna be with a live person, or have someone support you through some of the items, and it's not gonna happen at home, or outside of our after school programs, which run till 6 p.m., you can go to the library as well. So we're really in those initial stages. Thank you Dr. Hill appreciate the answer. Second question is and I apologize for not knowing this being familiar with it but does the school district use a pre-K readiness instrument for all your incoming kindergarten students? We do. We use the DRDP desired results, developmental profile. So we, and every few years, we also engage in the EDI assessment that is citywide conducted through the Office of the Young Child. And then has that set of rubrics, for both parents and kids to ensure that kids don't fall behind even before they start public schools. Is there any formal coordination with the library on making sure that patrons of the library are exposed to the pre-K readiness needs and programs. Not formally right now, but that's an excellent idea because we do certainly have that assessment tool and we have the profiles that are reviewed between teacher and parent on a regular basis throughout the school year. So certainly, thank you. Madam President and Mr. Mayor, I'll reserve comments until after others have asked their questions. Board Member Mackenzie. Thank you so much. I think my questions are centered around the office of the young child. I know that when we had a joint meeting a couple years ago, we had a really robust presentation and conversation around that office. And I wanted to know if the office was still being staff that, one FTE, or if there had been an additional person now added to support that endeavor. Thanks for asking. There is one program coordinator that is the lead for the office of the young child. And then the expectation is that every city employee helps lift up that office and implement the city's early childhood development policy. But the short answer to your question is it's one person. There's currently a vacancy in that department and we have two outside consultants on a contracted basis to make sure we don't lose steam in the interim while we're hiring for that position. So short answer is one person. Well, tell me, no person if there's a vacancy then, right? is that position. So, short answer is one person. Well, technically no person if there's a vacancy then, right? There is one position that is currently vacant. Yeah, you're right. And then I think that we're talking about opportunities for collaboration. The work of the Office of the Young Child is an ideal place for the city and the school district to collaborate. But I also wanted to come back to the 2015 resolution that was passed to create a decade of the early learning city and the 2025 is here. So has there been any report on the success of said initiative? Are there any outcomes? Are there any lessons learned? Are there any metrics? Are there any things that we still can strive to achieve in terms of making Pasadena an early learning city? Thank you for the question and you're right that the designation of Pasadena as an early learning city by this year of 2025 was one of the goals of the the first adoption of the city's early childhood development policy. A short answer is there's not an accommodation, there's not an accreditation, there's not a formal definition for what an early learning city is. It's what it's what we define it as. But our hope is that this the plan was to celebrate the year 2025 of this of the city supporting families with children a zero to five with a celebration this March. This the mayor's task force on early learning convened a large set of stakeholders from the school district, from the city, from nonprofits and early childhood education centers across the city and had grand plans for an event in March, which is, you can imagine, reside line because of the fires. The group plans to reconvene and hold that event in September. So don't let me, let me, I'm not going to give out a tentative date yet because plans are still tentative, but the goal is to celebrate this year 2025 as Pasadena being an early learning city with a big event in September and bring all of the resources together and invite families to connect with those resources. Thank you so much and I will close with this. I do hope that as we are preparing to celebrate being an early learning city that there is a commitment that both of our entities work together to ensure that services, resources, information, et cetera that can be provided to families, especially during this time of people trying to put their lives back together post-Eden fire, that we are walking lockstep to ensure that we are supporting our youngest residents of our community and ensuring that they are able to have support for child care, for preschool, for early learning, so that when they come to PUSDS students, they are prepared to thrive and be more than just, we're the learners for life. Thank you so much. Let me just add that members of the task force, including Dr. Vignis, continue to, as we recruit a new coordinator, continue to support the work of the office. Thank you. Thank you, Vice President Fredericks. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. McDonald, for your presentation. And I've already told you that my daughter volunteered at the Jefferson Library, had a great experience doing great things over there. And it's good to hear that we are collaborating as much as we can, especially during the, after the devastation of the Infire. Can you repeat how many meals we offered? It was in the neighborhood of 1600. I can check, yeah. And that was over maybe a few weeks or. That's right. Okay. So I really appreciate that support. I have a very specific scenario that just came up today from a family at Longfellow and other parents there preparing for the next years, not next years, but in a couple of years, they'll be being housed at the Ellendale. And so how this ties to the meals is there's an issue of busing that some kids might not make the bus in time to get to Ellendale, so they might miss their breakfast. So if that was an issue, I guess I'm asking, that would be an opportunity for Jefferson, maybe to help with that. So I just wanted to raise the visibility on that. I'm not asking for any approval or anything. The other thing is, and this is maybe directed to both Dr. Hill and you. And I think I'm in alignment with what the theme is here, like more integration with our programs. And you know, when I see these young kids, I remember when my kids were that small and wanting to read and learning to read. Where is that sort of integration of our programmatic integration, more day to day? Integration, not just like, here's a temporary emergency situation, but year round and a specific intention to promote our district to those little learners. Is there an established pathway or I don't know, something more coordinated that would allow a more streamlined pipeline to our kinder and TK? Certainly. I also wanted to address the meals. We do have the ability to do second breakfast as well. So we can definitely, one of the things that Mr. McDonald and I talk about often is how can we marshal our resources so that if there's something that I could take care of, then can you take us something I can't do? And so we will definitely take that under advisement. But in terms of how can we sort of merge what we're doing, we know that our expertise inside schools is teaching how the phonics, the phonological awareness, those aspects of how do you read and then how do we utilize the reading. What we are really hoping to tap into with the libraries that we have seen come alive in this partnership is the joy of reading. Now, not to say that we wouldn't want joy in the classroom as well, we certainly do, but there is an aspect of making something feel special, feel more of an extension than a typical school day, and really take advantage, like I said, of the incentives and of the programs that are already occurring at the library to bring them back into the schools and have the students do this circular loop. When we talked about the family engagement that really happened over the summer, a lot of it was around how many books did my student read? Did I meet the challenges that they were going to? And just having more exposure and time reading and reading with your adults is something that increases literacy that we see pay off in the classroom. Does your, so I'm, I was not a great reader. I'm sorry, I was not a very good reader, but fortunately my husband is a great reader and that was instilled in our children and they started it off actually at year, you know, one or two reading comics. So my question is are there graphic novels and comics at the library to speak to the joy of reading? Yeah, they're absolutely are and we encourage children and anyone of any any age to read what interests them whether it's fiction or non-fiction or magazines or how-to books or yeah, but yes, they are very popular and we do have graphic novels for all ages. just councilmember Jones thank you madam president thank you mr. Mcdonough and dr Thank you. Councilmember Jones. Thank you, Madam President. Thank you, Mr. McDonough and Dr. Hill for your presentation. If we could go back a few slides that, well, my question was just about the Madison Math Summer Math Project. I just wanted to know if it was successful and I guess my definition would be is that did it increase test scores, did it increase retention ability of like math formulas or I just really want to know it was successful and if so then how do you plan or can you plan to scale it out throughout the district? Well I hope it doesn't seem like we didn't shoot for the stars, but we intentionally didn't align our first year goals with an increase in scores directly. Because one, we knew that half of the students were not going to be assessed in the state assessment, but we did know that all of the students would be assessed in our local benchmarks. And we would love to see either a maintenance of what we would see as the typical score or even a slight bump. However, because it was an independent endeavor, the workbooks that were provided, we weren't necessarily certain that the students would all focus on the same topic or have the same, we didn't have as what I'd like to say as for teachers, we didn't have as much control over the very ones, right? And so our intent was one to ensure that there was continuity of learning so that we wouldn't see that slide. But then two, it was the engagement around academic endeavors. In this next year, we are actually hoping to focus in on what are the key areas that tend to have difficulty multiplication, and choose grade level goals so that we will be able to draw a more firm correlation. Oh, that's perfect. And then the second question is, you know, and I recognize this may be out of the scope of this discussion, but I think it's important to acknowledge that there's a lot of vulnerable communities that need support. And their support has only grown, right, after the even fire and the political climate. But I just want to know how is the district identifying and reaching families who may not typically seek assistance through proper channels? There could be fear. And so I just wanted to make sure that you're reaching out to families who are not necessarily reaching out to you are going to meetings, right? I think at the city, we struggle with the same thing. There's lots of residents who do not attend community meetings, do not attend council meetings, but we still try to contact them and reach out to them to ensure that we're serving their needs. Yeah, absolutely. One of the structures that we found to be really successful and therefore we're continuing to invest in is we have community assistance at all of our schools and we have community advocates at schools that have been designated as community schools. What we found in addition to many personnel but I want to highlight these folks in particular because their entire role is to be essentially a family liaison and in the wake of the fire Dr. Inos' office actually you know with the support around the McKinney-Vento and the foster youth, et cetera, were very specific about student names and who have we outreach to. Not only did her team do that, but then the web of reaching out to the community assistance at every single school site to say, these are the folks that we need to find, that we need to target, that we need to encourage, whichever category it fell into. But year round, those individuals that have been really critical to really do the one particular work that we say, which is individual outreach. And I will say I'm very proud that most of our staff, principals included, will do home visits. There's a term where you say we would chase people down. But it really is that we want to know every family individually. When we have a variety of resources that are available, we know we can call our principal directly and say, who? Tell us who your campus I might know them, but you'll know them. And they can always rattle it off. So yeah, those individuals have been critical for us to do that individual outreach. Thank you, thank you for your work. Board member Kenney. Thank you for the presentation this evening. We heard about a number of important programs that are being housed at Jefferson. And I was wondering what is the plan for those programs when the MOU expires in 2027? I'm happy to say for the first time this year that we are more than halfway through the closure of central library. It's great news. The library was closed in 2021. We are planning to reopen in 2028. So I couldn't have said this last year when we met, but this year I can say we're past halfway through the closure. So it's just great. But you're right. That leaves us with a gap. The current lease expires through 2027. We will spend this next year on a transition plan for the library specifically on what that will mean in terms of Getting ready for the transition back to central library There are other alternative sites that the library department has developed in addition to Jefferson that help us through that transition The city-ownedowned Rose Palace warehouse on South Raymond, the lower level of the public health department, which was formerly the morgue of the altivista hospital in an earlier life is one of our locations because of its very good climate control issues as a perfect spot to sewer books. And my office is in a lease space. The park center office building on Marango and Walnut. So getting into Jefferson quickly, enabled us to ready those other sites for staff to move into. So for my department, I can tell you, we have alternatives in place. in place should we need them. And I know you're not necessarily speaking for all the other departments but I don't know if someone else is. I can't speak directly for the other departments but we all realize that the current lease is up in 2027 and it gives us some time to work with the school district on what that timeline would be like. Board member Harden. And actually to follow up on that working together with the school district. So I think over the years, there have been different initiatives of community work plans, partnerships with the city in trying to to find ways to solve big problems, you know, work together, evolve needs. Certainly we know the district is at a time of great upheaval. And so as we look towards our future, maybe this is more of a call to action to all of the friends here with us today to try to reinvigorate. And I think we heard from some of our public commenters about let's meet more often. Let's talk more often. Let's identify shared challenges and then let's solve them together. And that might involve, you know, how do we problems? If the district needs more space to educate its children in different locations. We can still preserve these wonderful partnerships that you have identified. It shows how well we can work together. It shows how well we can serve all of the children in our community. So I'm encouraged by, you know, the opportunity for us to dialogue more often to form some sort of task force. I know collaborate Pasadena came out of work that was done in the teen years. So to really get back to that and to continue communicating, continue working together and problem solving. Thank you and I have one last question. So since career tech is on everybody's mind in the state and we are in the mayor's CTE committee, I do have a question about the firefighting academy and PAL, you know, and the numbers of PUSD students that are in there. And what is the relationship like between our students who are there? I can't be there every day observing, but I do know that vocation is a big deal these days. So can somebody talk to me about those two programs? And did you say fire and police? Did you say girls firefighting academy and the PAL program? Yeah, I don't have the numbers with me. But I can tell you that PUSD is represented in both of those programs. The PAL program has approximately 60 students in it, I think nearly all of them are PUSD students, and the explorers program. both of those programs. The PAL program has approximately 60 students in it, I think nearly all of them are PUSD students. The Explorer's program I'm not familiar with the numbers, but there is PUSD representation in that group too. It's a tremendous learning opportunity for those students, not sure if I'm specifically getting it what you were doing. Well, I know that getting women in firefighting across the nation is a big important thing for people. We need that. And now in California with the wildfires and the Governor's initiative on wildfire fighting, this seems to be a pretty important career that we want to encourage. So getting the numbers on how many of our kids, and maybe somebody else here knows how many of our kids are moving into firefighting and taking advantage of what's being offered by the city, and how many are going into PAL. I think this is part of the beginning of a robust CTE collaboration. Absolutely. Thanks. Be happy to follow up on that. Sure. I you can I'm not sure. We had 57 young women ages 18 to 25, and over half of them were Pasadena residents, and over half of those were former PUSD members. Also our Explorer program has currently has 37 youths ages 14 to 20 and I apologize. I don't have the exact number but I believe it's over 60% of those are PUSD students. Thank you very much. Thank you. That women's empowerment, all the young women who were there, it was very impressive to see them there at what I call a media academy for future firefighters and to watch our passing firefighters sergeant's slicker. We're not sorry, Captain Slicker and her team and you leave that was a lot of fun. And I should also point out that, but for this training program and Academy here at Villa, I believe the only other place that in the vicinity where our young women and young men could train to be fires would be the real Honda, is that correct? That'd be the closest. That's correct. And so without these training programs at Jefferson right here in our community, we would lose, our community would lose the opportunity to have that training and to be inspired right here in their community to become firefighters, not just in Pasadena, but throughout the state and even the country. Mayor Gordo, you mentioned, you said it empowered and inspired. What's so neat is over that two-day class, you see these young ladies come in on day one and they're shy and they're timid. And by day two, they just, they know they can conquer the world. And that's probably from myself as the fire chief is really inspiring to me. And our message is, we don't care if you become, of course I want them to want them to be firefighters but firefighters police officers anything that where you can go back and provide service to the community that you live in and love and serve is a win and that makes that weekend and that academy so empowering for them and us. You know it's interesting because it wasn't that long ago in our country that females never even thought about being a police officer or a firefighter. And that is a recent change, is the firefighter part. So now that here we are actually training and we want them is a huge shift and we want to really build that up a lot bigger. So this is great that y'all are doing this. And our goal is, we are doing this. This is, yeah. Yes, collectively we, our goal is to start in the elementary age so that they understand that this is a career that if they so choose, they absolutely can do. And in a lot of times, they're better than men at it because of their patience, their communication skills, and they're just good. And so if they believe at a young age that this is a profession they can do, then the sky's the limits for them. I only wish I'd been there for the end of the two days because I'll tell you I was there in the morning to help kick it off and you could see the pride that these young women took standing there in alignment and you know, you know, you they're just bursting with wanting that opportunity. And but you maybe not start a gender war here chief. We're equally capable of. But no, your point is very well taken. It was inspiring for me. And I'm sure everyone else who participated. Thank you. Okay thank you and council member Cole. So I want to pick up on a couple things that my colleagues have said starting with school board Harden, who suggested that potentially we may want to meet more often than once a year. In that spirit, I think all of us that I've talked to informally over the course of the last few months would really like to see tangible things come from these meetings. It's great to get together and pat bat each other on the back for the great things that are being done. But we also want to see tangible new initiatives and stronger partnerships. And so I have three thoughts. One is if the MOU expires in a couple of years at Jefferson School, I think the time to prepare now for either a long-term lease for the exclusive to the city, or perhaps for shared use of the facility, or to transition away from it and keep those programs as others have suggested, I think now is the time to do it rather than be six months from the deadline and scramble. So that's a suggestion. Obviously, we don't have to make a motion here unless other people think that makes sense. But I would encourage as the representative of the district there that we put together a joint task force of staff and elected to think about the future of Jefferson after 2027. And we may have a stake in it. We may not have a stake in it, but I think we should be involved in the process for making those decisions. The second is I think that these programs that Dr. Hill and our library director have outlined of the collaboration are incredibly inspiring and encouraging. And Dr. Hill talked about scaling them up. I would like to see us both institutions make an explicit and ongoing commitment for a partnership to promote student achievement at every level, especially for pre-K readiness. I think there's two advantages. Obviously, student achievement is the number one goal of the school district and the school board. And we have a ways to go. We have an excellent school district that provides remarkable achievement. But we all know that we want to see even greater results for our kids. And the library is, operates when you're closed down. We operate in the afternoon's evenings and weekends. And I think not only can we help through the library program explicitly coordinate with your curriculum efforts, but also I want to see kids and their parents and their grandparents in our libraries. The generation I come from, that was an automatic. It is not an automatic now because we have these things. And I think our libraries are an incredible resource for our kids, but they may not know that. And the parents may not know that. And so if we have a closer relationship where really you have a seamless, you start at eight in the morning and we go till you know, nine at night and onto the weekends and maybe there's, you know, opportunities for expanded Sunday hours as well. But a really explicit partnership between where we commit to helping to you to improve your pre-K scores and your achievement scores through shared coordination between really top notch people on the library and the school district side that we've just heard from. And finally, the third suggestion is to the very thoughtful comments, which frankly, I don't think we got an answer to, that you made, school Remember Mackenzie, about what are the metrics for the last 10 years, and what are the achievements for the last 10 years? If we have made great achievements, and I suspect we have, then we ought to be talking about them and lifting them up. And if there are some things that we could learn from, maybe not being very explicitly focused on specific metrics. This is still an important issue. I know you and your district liaison or assistant are very dedicated and have been involved Mayor in early childhood education. You've been a champion of it. I would like to see at least come back to us because we have the Department of Early or the young child office. I would like to see at least come back to us, because we have the Department of Early or the young child office. I would like to see a report come back to us about what happened over the last 10 years. What did we achieve? What were the activities we put on? What were the outcomes? So we can learn from that and not just celebrate that, but actually build upon that going forward. So those are my suggestions, a task force for the future of Jefferson School, an ongoing, explicit partnership for us committing to helping the school district raise student achievement across the board. And finally, a report come back to us on our progress and activities on the decade of early learning. Historically the mayor, vice mayor, president and vice president of the school board meet and we could certainly have that discussion together. together with the city manager and the superintendent. And in terms of the metrics, the early childhood office is responsible for putting together a report back to us. And I think that's happened in the past. And I'm certain that it'll happen again. And so there is a report and an update that comes to the council and maybe even to the school board. I'm not certain, but certainly to the council. So that is a part of the program for the office of the young child. Yes. Council Member Madison and then Michelle Bailey. Mr. Moussouda, head of me and the camera. No, that would be Mr. Moussouda. Oh, okay, thank you. Yeah, I think it's a perfectly fine idea to look forward to the use of Jefferson after 2027. It's hard to be against that. I would think I for one think we need a day, and I've already voiced this at our council that we need a training center at its own location for the fire department. And I think everything I've heard tonight about the collaboration would just reinforce that. And I'm attracted to the Rose Bowl for that, given what we saw in the wake of January 7th and the advantages that that site holds. So I wouldn't want, in committing to study the future of the relationship around Jefferson to foreclose maybe a bolder opportunity. And I don't know myself in this probably long debate that we shouldn't start, but I don't know that academic achievement is how I would measure success of a school district. I think there are lots of other criteria that are at least as important. For me, these opportunities collaborate always come with a catch which is how can I be faithful to my obligations to my constituents that I'm spending their money wisely? You know, the words if I don't have responsibility and authority over the expenditures that I'm authorizing on behalf of the city, how can I really be accountable to the taxpayers for that? I think these programs that we've heard about clearly satisfy that standard. I remember a time when our police department also policed the campuses and I've never wavered in my belief, that's another opportunity that we can help the district. Obviously there need to be a conversation about budget and the like, but we can support the district with complete authority and responsibility and accountability on our side, but also helping serve an important purpose. And just as is the case with firefighting, offer role models to kids, the opportunity to meet public safety, personnel in a more positive, light form relationships. You know, of late, we've hired a lot of kids from Pasadena for our police department as well. And I'd like to see us continue to do that. So these would be good topics for future get-togethers. Thank you. I'd like to recognize Trustee Bailey and then the superintendent. Great. Good evening, everyone. I really appreciate this conversation this evening. But I would like to add that if we go the route of convening a task force to discuss the future of Jefferson, the district basically has that infrastructure already in place by way of our facilities committee. and it consists of three members of the school board. And so I would like to offer up that opportunity to have those types of meetings with that committee or during those committee meetings so that we don't have to create a new structure for that. And I don't know how we would move forward scheduling such a meeting, but I'm sure you all will work it out with the superintendent. Hey, why don't we ask our chief executives to figure out the best vehicle for that discussion. Superintendent. Good evening. Great discussion on the programs, and we very much value the programs. And I think that if we have conversations around preservation, it shouldn't be around a building, because we are in the process of asset management study for all of our properties and we just had a fire, right? So we have to have enough space for our children, but then there's also so much property that we have that has a lot of space with a career tech academies where these programs could be a great expansion on a site with our children that are already at a particular site. So I would just suggest, excuse me, that we focus on the program preservation as opposed to a building. Thank you very much. And I think we're moving on at this point. Does anybody, oh, no, we have Mr. Harden. Yeah, and I think we're moving on at this point is anybody oh no we have Mr. Harden. Yeah and I think that's why and I love where we're going with this conversation is to the task force becomes solving the problem and so less about a building as you indicated Dr. Blanco and more about we want to preserve these wonderful partnerships that we have. And we may be flexible about where we can host them and there may be additional partnerships that we'll wanna consider. And so I think this, whatever we end up forming and whatever committee that it becomes part of, is a opportunity for us to dialogue, identify common problems and solve them together. And it persists way beyond, you know, the problems of this year, next year. It's a persistent vehicle that goes year after year. And it will really bolster our partnership, put our money where our mouth is, so to speak, about working together. Now we're going to go to public comment. We will call Jackie Brown then Brian Buried and Renee Gonzalez. Good evening everyone. City Council members, school board members, Dr. Blanco, Mayor Gordo. My name is Jackie Brown. I'm a proud PUSD parent of a second grader at Longfellow in the Dual Language Spanish Program. I'm VP of my PTA and a resident in Vice Mayor Revis' District. I'm here to express concerns about the lease at Jefferson Elementary. First, I want to say these programs are amazing. I take my daughter to the library twice a week to get those graphic novels. dogman and wingsings of Fire most recently, and I'm thrilled to hear that Central Library will be reopening in 2028. But I'm here to say we need to prioritize this PUSD school for full-time PUSD students. Whether using the space for a full-time school or increasing the least income to keep teachers, staff, and programs from being cut. There are multiple issues at play. First is the fact that PUSD lost five campuses. Two of the fires. Elliot Arts will need to be recoused long-term while its campus is completely rebuilt from the ground up. Co-housing with McKinley long-term is untenable. One of the school sites lost, Franklin Elementary, was slated to serve as a swing space for Madison Elementary, Mayor Gordo's alma mater, as well as subsequent schools during measure over renovations. Absolutely, PUSD could use Jefferson to re-house these schools. The other major issue is the significant discount the district has given to the city on this lease. Per my Google slew thing, Jefferson is roughly 40,000 square feet in size, excluding the Child Care Center. The city is paying $100,000 per year for the entire campus inside and out. That amounts to $2.50 per square foot. For comparison, commercial properties listed today for anywhere from $11 to $41 per square foot. How many positions would that save? Well, actually back up. Sorry. If the city paid market rate for Jefferson at that lowest end at $11 per square foot, that would amount to $467,000 per year. How many positions would that save in the district? At a time the district's finances are struggling? Miss Brown. I'll just close. Just in summary, I wanna see the lease between the city and Jefferson End as planned in 2027 so it can be used to educate our children, our city's children, 500 children daily full time. Again, these programs are great, but these are full time students. It the least continues, it should be raised to market rate to make up for the deep discount the district has provided at the expense of our students. We should not be laying off teachers and staff or taking away vital programs for full time students if we are not also doing everything we can to save them. Thank you. Brian Berry. I just hear that Madison made Gordo who he is today. A very old Madison. Good evening. My name is Brian Berry and I'm a partner with the DBK group. We provide work-based learning support for the PASS-UNIFIED school district. And I wanted to take a minute to talk about partnerships between the city and the school district that you might not be aware of and to answer some of the questions that were raised earlier about CTE, career technical education, as well as the Fire Department. On April 15th, the city's human resources department under the direction of Tiffany Jacobs Quinn provided the opportunity for 35 pasting a high school students to go through a job shadow here at City Hall. So some of the departments that participated were city manager, finance, Transportation, Public Works, Recreation, Parks, Library, Past the Interfire Department, Past the Interpublic Health Department. So students were transported from here to the fire offices over at Jefferson School, and they were also transported to the library offices over at Jefferson School. They spent two hours learning in a job shadow activity. What it means to be a firefighter, what it means to be a librarian. Subsequently, what ended up happening was we also coordinated a fire department tour of station 32, station 32 is on Villa, and it's the center for search and rescue equipment. At that opportunity, as a result of that opportunity, three Powsling High School students signed up for the Fire Explorer program. They will be hopefully accepted into the program and participating this summer. We have multiple other partnerships with the city of Pasadena with the police department. We took 50 students to the police department in March. They were able to go to the jail, to the hell of port on the roof, and then also to the communications area. I'd like to- Mr. Beary, your time has expired. I'd like to close with the fact that we would like to continue to help to develop these relationships with all the city's departments. So I look forward to working with the city manager's office to be able to do that. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Renee Gonzalez, followed by Mandy Holmes, who's participating virtually. I'm so sure. Good evening again. I want to echo what was just mentioned. I think there's a big need for an emerging facility master plant creation at PUSD. There are nonprofits that begin at a bungalow, like Young and healthy, and now they're occupying places that can be used for special education children, like the Prairie aside. That side was specifically for children's or special education. And now the children's or special education program was cramped in Madison when it was in Roosevelt because the district has some intentions of exploring other options at Roosevelt. But basically there are special education children at bungalows in road city. And I have families that are complaining that those bungalows are just not adequate for their children. So they're cramping special education children on bungalows when we have facilities that can better accommodate these families. I watch past board members do the plurable actions to teachers when they're demanding fair wages. And this part, board members and past administrations are the ones that created this the current facilities master plan that omitted historical context of many schools, including Roosevelt for a reason. And so I think that there's a big need for an emergency facilities master plan that satisfies the needs, the current needs of the communities. And so I encourage the district to evaluate a new facilities master plan. Thank you. Thank you. Mandy Holmes. Hi, yeah. I just wanted to bring up, because Printon and Blanco just mentioned that there's seems to be space that all these other programs can move to. Meanwhile, like he was just saying, our students are two classes into a classroom. Our high school students have a curtain between their math class and their Spanish class on a 15-acre campus. We have four rooms. And our FEMA money is what's gonna be paying for these things. And I know that the FEMA money doesn't have to be spent on our campuses and rebuilding us. But again, I feel like we're just getting pushed to the side and being forgotten about while our kids are struggling. And she's saying it's not about a building. It's not focused on a building. Meanwhile, they pass a resolution to rebuild Elliot the second that the fire happens. all they talk about, half the board, they go on and on about just the building, not even mentioning the students at Elliott, but how important the building... to rebuild Elliot the second that the fire happens and all they talk about half the board they go on and on about just the building not even mentioning the students at Elliot but how important the building at Elliot is. I cannot believe what I am hearing from the the things that come out of their mouths that they're saying to you that make it sound like everything is sunshine and roses and then they don't even want to go into the budgets. I've been watching all these meetings and I'm constantly just astounded at the hypocrisy and I'm did not mean to get upset. I'm sorry. I just I don't think that it's being represented. What I don't know who at Al-Tadina Arts wants to stay where they're at. All the parents I've seen at the meetings. They've been complaining and upset about what their situation is. I just, that's all I have to say. Thank you. That completes public comment on this item. Okay, back to me. Good work, everyone. Good conversation. I know Mr. Madison will make me regret pointing this out, but not only am I a proud product of Madison Elementary, but I live two blocks from there on Madison Avenue. Mr. Madison. Okay, with that, item four, update on affordable housing plans for Pasadena, Unified school district. Good evening. I'm Simone Bravo, Curiemann, the chief business officer with Pasadena Unified School District to provide an update on our faculty, our proposed faculty and staff workforce housing project at the former Roosevelt site. So tonight we're going to discuss the purpose of the project, the background for why the district is pursuing this project. Provide some information on the public process for a review of of the project, share some recent progress, and then to provide some updates on the design and of the site plan itself, and then finally to conclude with next steps for this important project. So the project purpose is to create high quality affordable housing for our valued employees. This includes teachers and staff of any kind. And this need is made even more urgent following the ENFIRES. Dr. Blanco mentioned earlier over 120 of our employees lost their homes in the fires. It has the added benefit this project of improving staff recruitment and retention, staff housing is considered benefit of employment by Pasadena Unified School District employees. It will also provide housing for families that many of whom have children which can help support enrollment. And then finally, it would provide revenue from the project to support maintenance and repair of school facilities. So something that we hear a lot from our valued staff is that many of them would love to live near where they work. And many of them can't. Many of them are commuting long distances to go to their schools where they work. And so this kind of workforce housing would allow for folks, not only affordable housing, high quality housing, but allow them to be in the communities that they serve. This is an overview of the public process and different opportunities for public input on this project. So starting all the way back in December of 2021, there was a board meeting where there was a recommendation from our facilities task force to develop a workforce housing project at the Roosevelt site. So that was all the way again back in 2021. Then in the summer of 23, there was a board presentation and discussion on feasibility. So there was an analysis done about the feasibility of a workforce housing project. then in February of 24, an exploration of different financing options for a workforce housing project. Then a month later, March of 24, the Board approved the initiation of the workforce housing project. Then subsequent to that, about a little bit over a year ago, there was a presentation at the joint meeting between the city and the district. On workforce housing. Tonight we're providing an update largely from that presentation about a year ago. And then in May of last year, a presentation to review the entitlement process, options and next steps. And then advisory committee, a superintendent advisory group on workforce housing began meeting about a year ago and has met many times since then. That advisory group presented recommendations, we represented recommendations to the board in August on the recommendation on the unit mix, meaning the mix of one bedroom and two bedroom and three and four bedroom units, as well as a design concept and the entitlement path. So here's some background on the entitlement process. I know this was covered in a bit more detail at last year's joint meeting, but at a high level, the project makes use of multiple housing, streamlining, assembly and senate bills in order to deliver this project faster and at a lower cost. The first one is assembly bill 2295. This enables the district to develop housing per city standards without having to first go through a rezoning process. Second is senate bill 35, which allows the project to be exempt from CEQA, subject to meeting certain criteria. So these were two state laws that passed that the Pasadena Unified School District is is using as part of the entitlement process for this project. So the process under both AB 2295 and SB 35, which we're pursuing, it still involves substantial city review and approval, as well as extensive of communication and collaboration between Pasadena and Fides School District and the city. This includes of course collaboration with city planning and then other agencies at the city level. So another big benefit to this project is that the project would also contribute to meeting the city's housing mandate, which is of over 9,000 units as required by the state. So it meets all the important objectives I mentioned earlier with respect to high quality and affordable housing for our valued employees and also helps the city meet its own housing mandate. Some recent progress, so as I mentioned, the Superintendent Advisory Group studied the unit mix and confirmed the entitlement pathway. We've had several meetings with city staff, including planning, as I mentioned, public works, fire, to review the preliminary plans. And in a moment, I'll show you some of the changes we've made to the site plan based on that collaboration with our partners in the city. We've prepared the entitlement application, and then of course we've met with neighbors to review the proposed site plan and to receive feedback. And as always, that community engagement is ongoing. So here's a quick overview of the workforce housing project. So it's a five acre site, 110 rental units for our employees. 100% would be below market rate with half of those for lower income residents. The unit mix is about 31% one bedroom units, 44% two bedroom units, 19% three bedroom units, and six% four bedroom units. So you see a good mix of units here to attract not only like our entry level employees, but also those that of course have families. And so this is a really good mix of units to accommodate all the different needs of our valued employees. Amenities, plant amenities include a community building, landscape common and commonsons and playground as well as a dock park. So here you'll see the updated site plan. You'll see some summary information there on the box on the right. So as I mentioned before, 110 units, 80 of those are apartments and 30 of them are town homes. The apartment's being three stories and the townhomes being two stories. The site plan does allow provide for a two-to-one parking ratio that's two parking spaces for every unit. And one of those two parking spaces per unit is covered. You'll also see that we have solar panels planned for this development. On the next slide, you'll see the same site plan with some information on what some key changes from the prior plan. So first, the building type and unit mix. So this is based on our district objectives for more family housing that the last time we presented to this body. We changed the orientation of townhome building C, which is right there in the middle, to orient the garage doors away from the main entrance. This is based on feedback we've received from our partners in the city. Added landscaping to shield from view, the surface parking near the main entrance, and we broke up the massing of townhome building D and E there on the right hand side on the east side of the property Splitting in two buildings again based on a feedback from our partners in the city Here you'll see the elevations or the exterior for the apartments. So these are those three story apartment buildings and Here you'll see again elevations this time for our two story townhomes. You'll see that it is an Mediterranean style, which has a lot of precedent in Pasadena, and again, this was based on the recommendations of the Superintendent's Advisory Committee. Finally, next steps, the entitlement application is ready to submit for review following the city's completion of SB 35 Tribal of the SB 35 Tribal consultation process. There's a community open house event that's to be scheduled or working on planning for that which would include of course neighbors, many of which we've already been engaged with as well as other community stakeholders. More information and FAQs can be found at the hyperlink there at that website address there, pust.us slash workforce housing. So a lot of information can be found at that website and we would continue to add updates there as they become available. Thank you. Mr. Hampton, followed by Mr. Ryan. Do we have a presentation from City staff as well? That follows us? No, just... Okay. Good evening, Jennifer Page, planning director. We have a presentation on the two state bills. If you would like us to give that presentation, we have a prepared it's the same information that we provided last year, but we're happy to go over that again if you'd like that tonight. No, no, I didn't. I just saw that on the agenda, and I thought that you guys were going to reiterate that again. I do have a question of you. So this project does not have to go to design commission. That's correct. Okay. Thank you. That was the only question I had from you. And then, of view. So this project does not have to go to design commission. That's correct. Okay. Thank you. That was the only question I had from you. And in transportation, the same thing with transportation, it doesn't have. That's correct. If it qualifies for both bills and it's SB 35, that makes it a ministerial project and it's not subject to CEQA. And it's essentially a staff level review. We can apply our objective design standards that we have in place. So it's subject to that review for zoning. It's still subject to building code and fire code and all the code regulations, but it would not be required to go through the formal design review process at a typical project. Okay, thank you. And then I guess to the original presenter. I'm so sorry, sir, I didn't get your name. Simone Bravo, Kareemian. Nice to meet you. And thank you for the presentation. Looks like a great project. Could you tell me how many town homes there are versus apartments? Because those numbers have changed a couple times. Sure, so it's... Oh, thank you. Let's see the slide. Yeah, so it's 80 apartments and 30 townhomes. But a total of 110. That's right. OK. Then the other question I have is, Ingress Egress, why did you guys not think about Walnut as an Ingress Egress location versus putting the Ingress Egress onto an extremely busy street orange growth. So the main, I mean, it just seems it seems natural that you could use walnut as the ingress. So the main entrance to the property would be on the cold asac there at the door side from Pasadena Avenue. So let me actually go here. You'll see this cold to sack here Pasadena Avenue and the main entrance would be there, called out there with the gated entrance on the north side of the campus. Understood. I know exactly where this is. So I guess my question still, you may not have an answer for it. So maybe you guys can think about that as you have some of the community meetings that you've chosen. You guys already had. Your traffic is one of the issues that always comes up from the neighbors that you said you talked to. Yeah. Our consultant can provide some additional information on the egress I'm Paul Gess for an- Okay. Thank you. Good evening. I'm Joanna Julian with Education Housing Partners for the Development Advisor to the District on this project. And on the Walnut egress, though there's an existing connection today, the district actually doesn't have an easement to connect. It actually goes on the neighboring property. So there isn't a direct connection to Walnut that we can utilize. So as Samon was sharing, we are focusing access on North Pasadena as the primary and Rosemond as the secondary. I'll add that in speaking to the neighboring H-O-A that they were pleased to hear that there would not be vehicle access on one it. From their easement position, from their location. But why not? I mean, I understand that there's already a driveway there. But this is a brand new project. So why not add another driveway? I just legally, the district, to my understanding, does not have the ability to do a vehicular access point there. What do you mean there's no leak? I mean, the curb, the curb branch all the time. Yeah, but you have to go through another property, HOA property. No, they don't have to go through another, I mean, you don't have to go through another HOA property. I'm just trying to understand why there's a driveway there and then on the other side, there's a lot of space to put another driveway. I'm sorry, didn't mean to interrupt. No, no, I just wonder. So that corner of the district property doesn't but public property on walnut, it has to go through a adjacent private property. Or are you saying so that green is not your property at all? So right behind the school side is not PUSD's property. It is all of the. Yeah, the edge of PUSD's property is shown by the black dotted line. And I know it's a little bit hard to see here, but it doesn't. But the podium is interactive. Oh, I see. Doesn't PUSD-O-C property doesn't go clear over two. Yes. Walnut is my understanding. Exactly. So that, this property here is owned by the neighbor, or is it owned by Caltrans? Um, wait. Because, from my understanding, the neighboring property is line, stops where your black line is. But there's these trees here and that's walnut. Isn't that correct that I'm looking at walnut on this picture or am I not? What street is that? Yes, so this, thank you. This shaded area here is owned by the neighbors, my understanding, and... And CalTrans does own land to the, you know, over here, but to get to Walnut, as I said, it would involve crossing private property. Okay. The other question is, you mentioned that according to, I guess, your research that, I guess, Mediterranean style or Spanish style homes were, or are probably probably some of the most utilized homes, maybe, maybe depending on where you're at, utilized homes are designed in the city. But that whole entire neighborhood is all craftmen. So why not try to make it more compatible with the community that it's in? I mean, right across the street one of the most iconic buildings in the fall of California is the Gamble House. This is the reason why, oh, that was, this is the reason why it's important to have community meetings with actual neighbors. So the advisory committee recommended the Mediterranean style in part because of financial considerations. While there is a precedent for Mediterranean style, you're right that a lot of the surrounding properties are in a craftman style, but given that this is property that will be owned by the district long term is being paid for by our general obligation bonds. We do want to strike the balance between providing high quality, affordable housing to our valued employees while also building something that will be economical and that we can maintain in the long term because we will be responsible for its maintenance in the long term. And so trying to strike that balance is why ultimately the advisory committee and our board accepted the Mediterranean style. So what about the Orange Grove Village? Orange Grove, I'm sorry, Orange Grove, yeah, Orange Grove Village. Right next, you have two complexes that look very similar. They're not craftman style. They're like a more so mid-century modern. I'm not familiar with that. or the just modern, maybe it's just, I don't know what that design is called. I'm not architect. Yeah, to be honest, I'm not sure that they would be considered mid-century modern, but I'm not an architect either. Okay. But yes, to my eye, not precisely craftsmen, and I acknowledge they're not Mediterranean either. Okay, I just, you know, would think that, you know, I know it doesn't have to go to design commission, but I'm not confident that it would have passed mustard if it did go through our design commission based on the vicinity to you know one of the oldest historic districts actually in the state of California which is Prospect Park. So the Ingress Egress it would have been an active Congress to probably deal with cow trans to figure that out. So I understand the dog park is that open to the public? Is this also a public benefit of this? Or is this only for the residents? Currently as proposed that amenities are envisioned as being for residents of the community? So is there a community benefit to this project besides housing for staff? I mean, what's the community benefit? If I don't work for the PUSD, what is the community benefit to this project? Well, our students benefit, you know, residents of Pasadena who are students of our schools benefit from their teachers, their food service workers, their counselors, their administrators living in the communities where the students live in. Sorry, let me just be more straight to the point. The neighbors that live in the neighborhood, what is the community benefit besides the traffic that this will bring? Like most of our projects have some sort of community benefit whether it's a courtyard or whatnot. That community access, you did mention that there was a community building, but what is that community building is for the community that is here, or is this open community building for anyone who wants to have a meeting or whatnot in this space. It's intended primarily for use for by residents, but we can certainly explore opening use up, you know, feasible. Okay, so I guess once you guys start having those community meetings that are probably, I mean, I guess they're not mandatory or because you're going through a different process. I do think that, you know, we at the, as a city, we want to be partners with you, but the way this seems to be going, it doesn't seem like there's a lot of partnership there. Not saying Definitely want this project right? I mean knows opposed to the project or just completely against your project right Don't necessarily know this was the configuration of Of this project or you know like with this location be the best location for it? We do need housing, I get that, but I think that starting with community and having community meetings would have, with the actual neighbors that live in that neighborhood would have benefited you in this throughout this process. Understood, and just to be clear, we have met with leadership of the homeowners associations that are neighbors. So leadership of the homeowners associations. We look on. They know fence, I don't mean to cut you off. But putting out a mail or letting the residents know that all live there, right? Right. Yeah, no, we intend to do, as I mentioned on one of the slides, a much broader engagement opportunity, like a town hall type meeting, so that more folks can provide input. And you're right, that even though it's not required for us to do so, we still think that it's important. I think that demonstrates our commitment beyond just what's required by law to get that valuable feedback from our neighbors and I do want to also mention that a lot of the chain again that a lot of the changes that you've seen in our site plan are the result of the collaboration that we have with our partners in the city and so it's genuinely the case that we have partnered with colleagues, partners in city planning to make adjustments based on their feedback. Yeah, and I get the comments and I understand. But the process, this is a different process, I think, than we've ever dealt with. In the same thing for you, we've never dealt with this type of process. Here in Pasadena, we are very, very open to hearing our neighbor's ideas prior to having a complete design saying exactly how the ingress, egress is going to happen. At this point, it seems like a, we're just meeting to say that we met with you. And regardless if you like this or not, we're moving forward. I hope that you guys have an open mind to real feedback from the residents. I understand that there are state laws that allow you to bypass some of the regulations. And I guess steps of process that the city is typically used to, the neighbors are typically used to. But if it's real meaningful discussion, which I'm hoping it is, because it typically has been from school district staff, then I think the feedback will be valuable to seeing it, maybe it re-adition to the point, or maybe everybody's just gonna say we absolutely love this and we want to move forward with it right but I think having meaningful meanings means a lot to the residents of Pasadena and I know that this will not be your last project because PUSD has a lot of land and and there's two new Senate bills that allow you just to build on that land, which is great. So thank you. Those are my comments. Thank you, Mr. Lion. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you for the presentation. I have a couple of questions and then maybe a comment. First, I think this is a fantastic site plan. It's a great use of the space and you manage to have a lot of residential space and a lot of community open space, which is a hard thing to do and a relatively small lot. So kudos to you for that. Why the decision not to have any owner units for sale versus rental? Why aren't none of these for sale for for for lease? I'm not sure maybe Yeah, I can add just from entitlement standpoint that The legislation under EB 2295 only permits rental units as projects that are all for rent can use that legislation. It's too bad because that's how we build wealth, particularly in America and particularly in California. So that's regrettable, I think. But did you lobby for the legislation or it existed before? No, it it it it it it relatively new our Form did not lobby for it. Okay And then you know to pick up on sort of council member Hampton's questions, have there been community meetings about the project or the design? Not a community forum, but we have had conversations with the neighbors and the HOAs. So we do have a community meeting plan. We're going to put something together to provide to get additional feedback. And you're at a place in the project where you could make substantial changes, based on that feedback? Yeah, there's still an opportunity to make changes. I don't know, substantial, but yeah, there's still an opportunity to make changes. I want to say, candidly, and here, amongst friends, I have often heard from constituents and have often had the experience of PUSD not behaving like a great neighbor with its properties. And we certainly had this experience at Allendale earlier this year when late last year, when PUSD came through and chopped down a bunch of mature trees in the middle of a residential neighborhood where people live and look at the school and have been looking at it as an eyesore for a long time. And it was spotless. And it was against the city's code, as you know, and we've worked through all this. And so we worked really hard in conversation with my colleagues on the board and with Dr. Velasquez and Dr. Blanco to create a community dialogue there and I think it's going really well. Yeah. But I think you need to do that all over the city. Your constituents aren't just the students and the parents but the people who are all around you. We're all a part of a community together and so there is sometimes this feeling that PUSD is insular and talking to itself and not talking to anyone else. And I think the idea of having a really baked plan without a big broad community meeting or a design charat, I would have done a charat at the beginning of this to say what do you want to see. And probably you want to do a charat just within PUSD to hear from the ideal residents. But that's disappointing. So that's just food for thought. I was thrilled to see that there's plans for solar here. Do you know two questions? Do you know how much solar you're looking to generate? In terms of wattage, I can't say. Yeah, we don't know exactly yet. It certainly will be part of the project, but exactly where it goes, how big the system is, that more typically gets determined once you're farther along, and you're really developing the finer level of design. So let me make one flag, one important piece of our getting to our shared goal of hitting 100% carbon free energy by 2030. This board adopted that goal actually before we did. One important piece of that is storage and really one to one storage. So whatever you're producing, you can save it all. And that takes some physical thinking. So this is the stage for that piece, if you could mark that in. And then so then my last question related to that. You guys passed the goal for hitting 100% carbon free by 2030. We passed it. We took two years to figure out how we're going to do that. We just had only last week adopted our plan for getting there. We have over a billion dollars in green energy contracts from outside the state, from outside the jurisdiction, some within the state. And now, to get there, we really maxed out our import capacity. And so to get there, we're going to need to generate 130 megawatts a year of energy here inside Pasadena and we can't do that on our own. So this is where we look back to our partners. PUSD as one of the largest, if not the largest, property owner in the city is an essential partner in that. Not just at this facility, but at every facility. And we just had this moment where the very generous Pasadena voters followed some of our advice and bestowed like a billion dollars on the district to do some really long range planning and creative thinking, which I'm grateful for. Is there any plan as you're upgrading all of the schools to bring solar to the other campuses and buildings that you owe? Yes. Great answer. Okay, and let's keep partnering on that because we literally we cannot get there without PUSD. So you're going to be a vital resource. I appreciate it. Thank you for this. And again, I love the plan for this community is it's audacious and it's beautiful. Thank you. Council member Cole. I have a question in a comment. The question is for our staff. Ms. Page, I assume this would fall under the City of Gardens. That's correct. RM32 City of Gardens standards. And normally City of Gardens talks about addressing the street. But with the exception of the town homes on Pasadena Avenue, it doesn't appear that any of these units address the street. So how do you apply the City of Gardens to a site plan like this? There's a number of objective standards from City of Gardens that we can apply. Main Garden is one of them. As you'll see the main garden there, you can ask for deviations from the main garden as part of City of Gardens. This has not been plan reviewed to City of Garden Standards yet. This is just a preliminary site plan. As we're working with them, we're providing them the objective standards that they're gonna be subject to related to setbacks, massing height, those types of things. And they'll have to demonstrate in their application when they submit their complete application for SB 35 how they comply with city of gardens. But right now they show a main garden in the middle and some other exterior spaces, but they'd have to demonstrate how they can comply or what exceptions they would ask for. They can also ask for waivers and concessions through this process as well. And given that they're the only user of this block of pasting to Avenue, if I'm correct. In terms of the site? Yes. I believe so. There's no other users. It's only. Of this? Yes. Of our property. Yes. Yes. So in the past, we have, on occasion, vacated streets. And so is that an option here? They can be passed. Ones grow villages too has access to this road. Okay. Yeah, there I believe three or four ingress, egress from Orangeville Village too. But I mean, at this part of passing avenue. Passing avenue, yes, at this part of passing avenue, Passening avenue, yes, at this part of passing avenue. There are inquiries. I mean, from where the school district's property begins, not the whole block. Yeah. And you may have some, go ahead, Jason. I was Jason McKellan deputy director of planning and community development. The from Orange Grove Boulevard East or South, Southeast along Pasadena Avenue, the development to the north, a bus passing an avenue, but just not having a driveway entrances on Pasadena Avenue. And then this is the only property that has an entrance on that segment of passing avenue. We did initially discuss with the school district about vacating, so the bulb would be kind of where the property begins. However, in a closer look at the law and in consultation with our attorney's office and the school district's attorney's office, that would make the property would not be eligible for the bill that they were looking to utilize for the AB 202.95. So then we were resulted in maintaining the street as is. And the next question is for the staff from the school district. I note that this is a gated community. Would the town homes A be on a public street, would they have a wall, or would they be, would the entrances be to the sidewalk of passing Avenue? Yes, the entrances would be oriented towards North Pasin Avenue and they would have a front yard and some type of, you know, gate or wall, but not just to create a private patio feel. But you could walk to the front door of these houses? Yes, they would be oriented towards the street. So look, two things. I strongly support and see the need for school district housing. I do think as others have suggested that you're new at this and we want to be helpful and supportive and we want to see more housing and whether it's a public development or a private development, we want to collaborate to have more housing and more housing that contributes to the community in all ways. I do think it's and we've already voted on this as a community, right? It was clearly part of your commitment on the bond issue that you would build this kind of housing and you got two thirds of the voter whatever it was. 55% and above. The concern I have and this may be irrelevant is we have a public school system that's building a gated community and the the redevelopment agency built gated communities right next door. In an era that I frankly think was a shameful era of passing history. And not only because of the people who were relocated to make room for those developments, but also because it reflected a turning away from our public realm and our public institutions, in a way that I hate to see perpetuated in the 21st century, I understand people's concern about security. And I understand this is a difficult site to orient to public streets. But again, I think there's an irony to gating off a development because our public institutions are under threat from the national level on down. And if there is a way for some more than these handful of town homes to actually be part of the public realm and public streets. I think that's an advantage. Most of Pasadena live on real streets and those streets give an opportunity for neighbors to to get to know each other, et cetera. So for what that's worth, I agree with Councilmember Lyon that whoever designed this has made a real effort to create an internal public space with the main garden, the town homes to the east are sort of an afterthought in that regard, but you know that could potentially be worked out. But I don't think we should stand in your way. I support you finding a fast track to getting this entitled. I don't think we should put you through four years of design commission even if we could. But I do want to encourage some thought about the public realm and public streets and public access to things like a dog park for shared public benefit. And to the extent that that is not too late, I hope that will have some consideration. Thank you. Next, Mr. Madison, followed by Ms. Marshall McKinsey. Thank you, Mary. Yeah, it looks like a great project. There's so much that's interesting about this. I mean, the consultant mentioned it's a new legislation. The legislation is actually a few years old, but I think this is the first time that any school site has been used under the legislation. Is that still the case? Is that our understanding? I'm still the case, but it was last year. The combination? The combination of the Senate bill and assembly bill are understanding if that is the first to combine. So it's kind of uncharted territory. And there's a lot we could say about the legislation which suspends things like sequa and the surplus land act, all of which are intended to ensure the safety of the community. Pretty important is anybody listens tonight gather, and promote affordable housing under the surplus land act. But it's the law. So I'm curious, though, is there a real confidence that the district's staff and employees, faculty will benefit directly from this? Yes, so we did survey, we struggle with that here about projects where we don't have that power as I understand to give preferences or limit occupancy like that. We are confident. We did survey employees kind of in the outset at the outset to understand how many were interested living closer to where they work and to understand how far people were commuting. So that's one huge factor for why we think there's going to be very substantial demand. Also the way that these units are going to be priced obviously there's some statutory requirements for at least half of the units to be priced for low income, lower income staff, but we also given that we know income levels of our employees. Well, no, I get all that. I get the demand. I get the price point, but you're going to get thousands of applications. Oh, I see. That's what I'm saying. It's in the legislation. I don't see anywhere in the legislation where it talks about preferential for the districts employees. Sure yeah I can speak to that so AB 2295 is the place to look for that. Okay. It walks through what the specific order of the leasing preference so first the units would be offered to employees of the district If there's insufficient demand among district employees, then you could offer it to employees of other public agencies. So it contemplates how the units could be offered and if there isn't demand, what you do after that. Okay, well that's good to know. So I assume the city would be the next in line in terms of the agency public agencies Yeah without having legislation in front of me it might first go to other educational agencies before public agencies more broadly But certainly The city would be a public agency in that one. I mean as far as the district's concern, the city would be the next in line. I would hope. We'd have to, yeah, look at it for just for fair housing. Of course. And then the, I understand this was up for landmark consideration. I don't know where that stands, but does that impact the plan at all? Under SB 35 you cannot remove a historic resource to qualify for SB 35. There is a pending landmark application before the City Council you're going to hear that on June 2nd. So if the Roosevelt School is determined to be a landmark then this site would not be eligible if the resource was removed. Now, only a portion of the school site is eligible. So we'll get into that when you have that matter. We can't get into that tonight. So they might have to, we'll see what happens. It could affect the project or it could not. Well, that be quasi. It is. Quasi judicial. The landmark capital. on the next part, but yeah, OK. Quasad judicial. Got it. OK. And then again, I just thought it was notable that in our efforts to pursue a vision for the 710 stop, the 50 acres to the south of this property that we own now, we've heard a lot of testimony about trauma and pain from the 210 freeway, including right here, right where you're at. One person who's well-known to us came and spoke about how he was, I think, standing on the playground at Roosevelt and watched his home get boldest from the freeway. So there is some kind of poetic social justice here too to have affordable housing on the side. And I think that's really admirable and important. Obviously, you know, this legislation, most of which was authored by the same senator from San Francisco, you know, Casabra, Nat, I believe Pasadena is not the problem child in that regard, you know, we've got an excellent record in terms of affordable housing, but there's always room for improvement and it'd be great to add 110 units. What's the square footage for the units? Roughly, ballpark. It depends on the number of bedrooms. Yeah, ballpark without having the numbers right in front of me around 700 square feet for one bedroom to 1200 and up for a three bedroom. Okay,. Obviously that would impact how many families I would think you might have with potential students in PUSD. Okay, thank you. Those are my questions. Next, Ms. Marshmallow-Kinsey followed by Ms. Revis. Thank you so much. I'm just going to take a moment of personal privilege to say that I I went on a record and said that we should be considering the more craftsman style design. I'm going to say it again. I'm a fan of Mediterranean. I'm a huge fan of Mediterranean. But I heated Mr. Hampton's knowledge of his district, knowledge of the areas surrounding as a former Gamble House junior docent, fully aware of the craftsman aesthetic and how important it is to folks in California, especially in Pasadena. I'm going to just talk a little bit about the community benefit of housing for school district employees. Right now, any district in California that has the capacity, space, land, etc. that can build housing is doing so because housing is dire. housing in and of itself for our employees is a quality of life issue. We have an employee who is extremely dedicated to her students, not that our other employees are not, but this person drives from Bakersfield. Yes, Kern County Bakersfield, too passing a high school every day. If I can buy this employee four and a half hours of time back every day, imagine the quality of life for her, her family, and the advantage she's able to make even more into her students if she's not on the road for half of a day. That's just one example of people who are making significant sacrifices to work in Pasadena. With our loss of housing because of the Eden fire, the desire and the eminent need for us to be able to move this project forward now matters more than ever. So we want to be good neighbors, we want to be able to engage our community and be able to solicit feedback and recommendations where possible to be able to be inclusive. But what people need right now is housing and we have the ability to offer that to our employee population. So we want to be able to move that forward in a way that is expeditious responsible and also Meeting a critical demand um I don't want to touch the topic of easements Our organizations together have not had the best history there. So let's figure out how to Think about other avenues in terms of utilizing the footprint of the property as it is and how best to make it work. I am a full supporter of workforce housing. I want to be able to see us have our employees be able to work closer to home. I think there is value. I remember I always enjoyed when I was a student at PUSD being able to see teachers or school employees in the grocery store, the bank, or the post office. And so being able to bring that spirit back to our district, I think, would be tremendously valuable for our students, especially at a time when there's so much uncertainty, so much of a need for consistency, for stability, and for safety in our students' life environment and their school environment and their home environment and their neighborhood. So for as much as we can be a part of being able to contribute to ensuring that Pasadena, Pasadena unified in our surrounding area is continuing to be vibrant, welcoming and a thriving place for our employees, for our students and their families and our wider community. That's what I'm committed to being able to do that's what I'm committed to being able to champion. Thank you very much. Okay, Ms. Revis followed by Ms. Richardson-Badley. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you so much for the presentation. This is really exciting to hear about. Get an update on. In my district, we have the Kaiser site, which we're looking to develop into affordable housing and potentially provide other services there. And we held a meeting recently to hear from the community and we had overwhelming support for affordable housing and especially workforce housing because our residents understand how expensive it is to purchase a home, expensive front is and get why this is so needed and so I'm sure that extends across the city to this neighborhood as well. They get that affordable housing is itself a benefit to the community and one that we need dearly. But they also had a lot of thoughts about what they specifically would like to see. So we heard a lot from them as well on very detailed and very specific requests of things they'd like to see on the site. And so I hope the community engagement that you go through, that process is a a robust one and that is something that you work on throughout the process and are continually working with the neighbors that are immediately around there. And we heard from our staff from Ms. Page that we're already acting as a collaborative partner so I hope that continues and we continue to work well together so that this project is a success. So thank you so much. Thanks. Ms. Richards and Bailey? Yes. Thank you, Saman, for the presentation. I just want to address a couple of comments that were made this evening around community benefits. And I want to say that the city of Pasadena will absolutely benefit from having the new residents living in this community economically. They'll shop at our stores, they'll eat at our restaurants. That is very important. the other thing that I would like to address is the community benefit as far as opening up this property to those who are not employees of the district. I know that we may need to look into the legality of that because it is school district property and even to walk on our school sites right now you have to check in and be approved. You don't get free reign you don't just get to show up and go to a classroom and not on a door because you want to talk to a teacher or see your student. This property will house PUSD students and it may be equally important and incumbent upon us to provide some layer of protection for those students who will be living in such a housing project under the district's name. So I would like to recommend that we check into that. I don't mind. I think it's a great idea to open things up for the community. I get that. That is how we do things here. That's, you know, I can appreciate that. But I also believe that we have to make sure that we're doing our due diligence to protect our children and our teachers, our classified employees and their children, even when they're residing at home in one of our projects. The last thing, and I just lost my train of thought, the last thing that I wanted to say, let's give me a second. Okay, it's going to come back to me. We can come back to you. Yeah, because I just lost my train of thought. But those are the things that I, you know, that I want to consider. I looked at you and I know I have it. Yes, because you were the one doing the talk and I didn't write down anything but because I thought I had it but yeah come back to me please. Okay, Mr. Jones followed by Ms. Fredrick's. Oh, okay. Just somebody's. Somebody's masquerading this evening is Mr. Hempton. I just wanted to make sure... I mean we won't be a little bit more much more much more much more much more much more much more much more much more much more much more much more much more much more more with... agree and we've had that conversation that we need to engage the greater community. I do understand that there have been some meetings with some of the local H.O.A.'s, thank you. But I do absolutely agree and we will be actually planning such a meeting here really soon. Dr. Blanco has put a group together a task force together to work on planning the community meeting and I think we're going to have it over there in that area. I think at the church over there maybe. So it'll be soon. I thought we had some dates. Are those going to be discussed today? No, I'm looking at Dr. Blanco. I thought I saw. I think we were holding off on the dates until they convened regarding the other concern that was mentioned this evening so that we would prepare right information to the committee. Okay. So that was the other point that I want to make that there will be community meetings. Is it possible to show the slide that had the list of board meetings, etc? Because I just want to clarify, so the superintendent's advisory group meetings weren't necessarily opportunities for public input, but there were I think three members of the public or who weren't PUSD staff or PUSD board members on that committee. That's right. All right. And I wasn't sure if I heard exactly the timeline. So I think when we last had a presentation in the way of March, I thought that the turning in the entitlement application was imminent. But that is still, we're still in the process. And we haven't turned it in, is that true? Yes. It would be submitted following the completion of the tribal consultation process. Is there an approximate date? Is that in June? Is that in July? Hard to say. And then kind of a follow-up is once we do give you that application, what's the typical approval period? Resolution within the next month. Sorry, we've been working on the tribal consult for a few months. So I was asking how long we've been doing it. We're expecting that there would be some resolution within maybe the next one to two months, but you cannot submit the application until tribal consult is done. So we're doing that right now. The city does that on behalf of the applicant. And then we'll submit, and then the timeline to getting that application approved is typically under the bill. We have 30 days once you submit your SB 35 application to do a completeness review. And if... I'm lying to getting that application approved is typically under the bill. We have 30 days. Once you submit your SB 35 application to do a completeness review. And if it's complete, then we have to conduct our review within 90 days. 60. So it's 90 days total. So it's 90 days total. All right. And then I think from our point of view, that's then when we go out and do construction drawings, if I'm remembering this. and you would submit for plan check. Okay, all right, great, thank you. Mr. Jones thanks mayor and I just want to echo the sentiments on my colleagues about community engagement It's obviously the way we do things in pastiness So I'd look for it to actually receiving some of those meeting dates and then we can blast it out to To our residents that represent. I've had a few questions. One is to, I think there was a question about, you know, you're going to receive like a thousand applications and maybe you addressed it and I didn't hear it. But how do you plan to select who gets the opportunity to get a unit? Like if we have more interest than you do. Yeah. The district will develop a process for that, but ultimately it's a lottery process. And the applicants, excuse me, will need to be income qualified as well. Income qualified. For the units with affordability restrictions. I see. Okay. And so then I guess it's obviously going to go towards teachers but what about also like classified staff who tend to be among the lowest paid employees right who face the steepest housing cost burdens. Yeah so it's meant to be housing for all. Okay. P.S.D. employees, classified, certificated. Got it. All employees. And then do you plan or does the district have like a local hire policy or do you plan to use a local workforce or use, I don't know, 20% of? Yeah, the word our board has set some goals for that type of those types of objectives. Okay, perfect. And then the last question was, are there any other sustainable features on this site, like water efficiency, materials, green infrastructure, stormwater capture? Yes, there's certainly a host of both water and energy efficiency features. I'll say that even just meeting code requirements these days, it's extremely energy and water efficient, and that continues to increase with each code update. So it will certainly be a high efficiency property. Oh, cool. Thank you. Thank you for for your service appreciate it. Thank you. Ms. Bredrichs. Thank you. So I just wanted to acknowledge that I'm hearing many council members gently and not so gently encouraging us to do the the community engagement and I think council So, number Jones requests to get dates for those meetings is the perfect question So that would be the next step and thank you for that great feedback and I know maybe Kim Kenny has the numbers, but I don't know Mr. Barrow Karemi the range of rates for the rents Do you have those numbers at all? I don't have them in front of me, but, and they haven't been set yet. I think we provided some conceptual figures, previously at a board meeting, and they're meant to be even more affordable than were required to set rates at even by statute, just to make to meet the needs of our employees. So yeah, I wanted to address the concern about it not being an ownership. I think the concept is it's substantially low enough rates that those tenants can save towards eventually owning. So I believe the range was like 800 to 1200 per unit niche. And then I don't know if you have this or not, but is there a last date to make changes to the design, for example, making the dog park accessible to the public? Is that a change that's still on the table that can be changed? And what is that date, final date? I mean, so broadly, there are still changes that can be made even after the entitlement. The site plan is submitted, but I can't speak to what types of specific things can or cannot be changed, but broadly speaking, yes, there can be some alterations made, specifically the types that you mentioned. Mr. Richardson Bailey? Okay, that's what I get for not writing things down. Tina helped me. The thought of home ownership on district property. You know, I've been hearing that. And, you know, I kind of liken it to one time money coming in and we spend it in its gone versus setting our properties up to be financial revenue, to be revenue coming into the district rather than selling it. And that would be something that we would have ongoing. So here's my concern. I hear a lot of talk about the district has all this land. They have all this property. You're not doing anything with it. Why don't you just sell it? And it's so frequent that it's starting to really sound like, like chatter, like I'm not on social media, so I have no idea what they're saying on social media, but it's chatter that does not take into consideration how the district could really, really put those those properties to work for itself, to benefit our students, to benefit the classroom. And the smartest thing that I know to do with property is to turn it into revenue, not just sell it, unless you want to one time, one in time. So when we talk about selling district property and Councilmember Cole even brought up the fact that if you sell it to a teacher, who's a teacher now? And then they decide to leave and go work for another district. You know, what does that look like? What does that look like? So I have been talking to other districts about just that, what does that look like? If you're setting your properties up, your units up to be sold, right now I haven't run into a district that's doing that. Most districts are doing this and they're taking that revenue and they're reinvesting it back in their districts. So that was the one thing that I wanted to bring up as a reason why I don't think it would be wise for the district to engage in selling the property. It would be a windfall for 110 families, and it wouldn't turn over. It would be my concern. So it would be not only a one-time sale, but then it wouldn't fall for 110 families and not turn over to future district residents. Let's see. I did have one question before. Well, let's so the rental are affordable rent ordinance requires that just caused proceeding before you're able to evict or dislodge someone. And I'm wondering about the interplay between the district being a landlord and someone moving on from the district and whether the our ordinance would kick in and require some sort of just cause eviction. Yeah, we're researching that and we can certainly follow up to understand the interplay between the entitlement pathway that has certain requirements for affordable housing as well as those local ordinances you mentioned. And I think it's important to note that you know that's not something that even the city council controls it was that say measure that was adopted in the city's charter. And so you may want to pursue that from a legal point of view, because once, if you're operating as a landlord, someone moves on, according to the city charter, you may, I'm not sure that you'll be able to evict them or move on to another tenant. I don't know, but without a just cause eviction. So sorry, I didn't mean to misbehave, but I thought this probably would be exempt because it was better now. After 1996. It's not in the year. No, the district. The district's are dealing with it. Yeah, it's something to look at. Of those policies. Yeah, the just cause piece would may apply. And so it's something that ought to be looked at carefully from a legal perspective. Mr. Judge. Mayor, to turn a thought, I guess, what is the district's policy right now if a district employee would retire or leave the district, but they're renting a unit? What's the requirements? So all of those policies and rules need to be said. I'm just suggesting that the rules be set in the context of the adopted city charter rental civilisation or provision. Charter provision. Are you in the queue? I am. How do you set it? Okay. Well. Thank you. Thank you. Back way for lovers to meet in the morning. You had a delay. Okay. Well, no, that's Miss Holly. The question I had was not just a rinse, but what is the revenue that the PUSD would generate from this, how much annually? So it depends, obviously, on the rates that are said, could be anywhere between one and $2 million annually. But the board, when it proves the projects, those funds are meant to be used to improve and repair our other facilities. So the $2 million would be used to repair other facilities? Yeah, to invest back in the facilities. That was the board's. How much is this facility expected to cost? About 90 million? It's hard to know exactly based on the feasibility study. It was about $80 million, but that was was a while ago cost escalation is probably increased it to potentially about 90 million. Okay so 90 million you plan on receiving two million dollars with an income I mean two million well one about depend on the run one one but we'll call it to it. We'll call it to it would take 45 years to break even I mean it is taxpayer. I mean how are you paying for it with general obligation bonds? Right the bonds that were paid past but that's right so So yeah, it is everybody. It's it's important to know what I, this is important information to know. This is not a back and forth conversation. This is, I think the public would like to know, like, okay, it's generating two million. 45 years, two million dollars, you get the 90 back, right? And if it pay back these bonds, however you want to look at it, what about the maintenance for the actual facility? Because no offense, right? I mean, we even have our issues, right? I mean, look at the YWCA. We've got a building across the street from us. I bring this up all the time. Yeah. It's following and disrepair. You have school sites that are following and disrepair. How does $2 million a year on a $90 million project, let's call it 70, okay, make it even a little less. How does that turn into, are you expecting that these residents that are in the low income, are paying whatever that number is, right? Are you expecting them to maintain their own facility or is PUSD also maintaining it? Yeah, so the $1 to $2 million income is net of operating costs, which does include maintenance of this very facility. Another thing I want to mention, this is not meant to be a profit center. If we were to instead build market rate housing, it would not be eligible to be paid for what's in our obligation bonds. It's the fact that it's workforce housing for a school district that makes it even eligible to be paid for with a general obligation bond. So there's a little bit of a, hey, if we could build something that generated $6 million, that kind of housing would not even be eligible to be paid for with general obligation bonds. And so this strikes the balance between meeting an important objective for providing a high quality affordable housing for employees while making it legally eligible to be paid for with general obligation bonds, while also generating income that can then support other facilities, which I think is what taxpayers care about too. And as another council member mentioned earlier, when we went to the voters with measure R, on the project list, as we're required to, it did include workforce housing and our information that we provided to voters also very prominently mentioned that the funds would be used to pay for workforce housing. And so this is not only consistent with the battle language and consistent with the message we provided voters during before the election. And we were very fortunate that we got over two thirds of voters to support it. So. So I just think that maybe the numbers need to be looked at a little bit more. And I'm only saying this because we're all elected here, and so we hear about the YWCA. We hear about our parks. We hear about the school sites that are in disrepair. And you're building, as you mentioned, high quality housing, for how long is it going to be that? Because we don't want it to turn into a I-sort, because PUSD doesn't have the funds, or we don't have the funds to maintain it. So maintaining this property is of critical importance, especially if something where your employees you're expecting to live there, Right? And we're going to keep that standard, which is considered, I mean, this looks like a high quality project. To keep that standard for longevity, you have to maintain it. Just like all of the project, the developments, all of the development, all of the developments in this area in this corridor are all being maintained. Of course, those homeowners, they're homeowners so they're maintaining, and they pay into HOA. But there's maintenance behind it. This is a publicly owned housing development. And they do exactly that. That's right. What one difference would be that this property would be managed by a private property manager but we 100% agree with your you know with what you're saying in terms of the importance of maintaining this property. I would just say this the King's villages are also or no I'm just I'm just mentioning in the previous years the King King's villages are also managed by a privately owned management company. They just recently sold and now they're doing all these renovations, but prior to that, it was not, I mean, it wasn't, I would say, I would hear from residents that lived there six, seven years ago all the time about disrepair I hear this from property owners throughout the whole entire city, right? Not just and that was publicly owned So I'm only mentioned in a publicly owned facility, but even in private spaces. Yeah, we get emails I don't know not one of us probably get an email from I mean all of us some nice I mean all of us get these emails about maintenance of of properties that are not publicly owned. So it's important that this is a publicly owned property and this is probably the reason why a lot of governments stop going into publicly owned properties because the government has a hard time maintaining it. So I understand you have a private, just to think about this, a little deeper. Appreciate it. Thank you. You know, I just, I just want to say I appreciate your, your comments, but I think we need an opportunity as a district, as a school board, to plan this thing out. We, we're not as far out as you're taking the conversation right now. And there's several different ways that this whole project can be approached once the facility is built on how we're going to house the families who's going to be selected, how the property's going to be managed, how the funding is going to be set aside for the upkeep and maintenance of the facility. All of that is going to be considered. It has been considered. We just are not at the point where it's completely laid out yet. So rather than, you know, it almost sounds like a little doubt in the air. And I just wanna make sure that the community knows that the school board, the school district, the superintendent, all the staff, we're going to do our due diligence in planning this thing out. There will be a system, there will be an order on how things are done. And so, you know, just work with us, trust us, have faith, help us, work alongside us, you know, lift us up, encourage us. But let's do this together. This is for the community. This is not just for us doing something to be doing something. This is for the community. The community is going to benefit. You know, our employees are going going to and they deserve it. So please bear with us, everyone. Give us an opportunity to plan this thing out. We will include you. We know moving forward that that is what we need to do and it will be done. So and I appreciate everyone's comments. Thank you. Mr. Madison, are you in the queue? Yeah, just a quick follow up. Do I hear the budget is $90 million? Yeah, I mean, when we did the feasibility, I think it was about $80 million, but that was some time ago and there's been some substantial cost escalation since then. Right. But based on the square footage and the number of units, that's like 12 hundred dollars of square foot and that seems high to me, but just I'm mindful of my colleagues' admonition to not, you know, be too granular at this point. Yeah, so thank you, Mayor. President Holly? It's been very interesting listening to everybody's comments and I want to say something about trustee Bailey and that I appreciate you asking for the trust because I think that's very important and one of the reasons I do trust this process and it's not because I'm a trustee. It's because I'm trusting my colleagues on this because State Senator Tony Thurman wants the 75,000 acres of empty campuses to be built into affordable housing because we are at record levels of unaffordable housing in the state of California. And there's one other thing I want to lay into this, because I know this is staff housing, but staff people have children. And when children don't have houses, or they're housing insecure, it is much harder for them to achieve high academic achievement. And we are in academic achievement. That's what we do. But homeless kids have a much harder time. Think back when the federal food program was starting and people are still complaining about that. But there were children who could not study because they were hungry. And that's a serious issue. And if they can't sleep in a bed and have a desk or a dining table, it is going to be difficult for them to study. So we're listening out there all the time about test scores all the time. But yet when it comes to housing and when it comes to food, people don't want to give to kids. So let's put the kids at the top. And the staff housing is the first step towards that, because I will guarantee you that in the United States of America with public education, there will be housing that will be happening, just like the food program. And it's really good to be at the beginning of this because it's about time we put children at the top of our priority list. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Cole. So, I will be brief. Before we wind up our entire meeting and I suspect the president and the mayor may have some final comments, I just want to express as this being my first time to meet with you my appreciation for the staff work that went into this and my appreciation for the candid, in-depth, substantive discussions beginning with with school board Board Member Harden talking about us working on problem solving together in a substantive way. I think we've seen that tonight. And the eloquence of School Board Member Bailey and President Haulie, I think we resonate with you. And at least from this seat, I agree that, and I hope my comments have been in that spirit, we want to work to make our school district the best in the nation. That's what our kids deserve. That's what Pasadis capable of. And there's a strong foundation to build on. And this leadership is another example of Pasad leading myself, two of my colleagues and the mayor are products of passing schools. And we want to lift up, as you say, very eloquently, School Board member Bailey, our school district, and make you successful. Thank you. Next we'll turn to public comment. We have four speakers. Renee Gonzalez, Alexandra Anala, Anala, then Lynn Sullivan, and then Dennis McNamara. Good evening again. I'm a resident of this Tick and I'm sorry, but I do not trust Ms. Bailey. I do not trust the facility staff force that was created during the pandemic that target Roosevelt Elementary as special education school and the facility staff schools, including of course, her husband, but it didn't include anyone from the special education community Now that teacher that is driving from Bakerfield, it sounds like she needs a job not a house She probably has a fancy house in Bakerfield now basically To retain to attract and retain teachers what you need is to pay them you know high price according to the industry. If I'm a teacher I'm looking for a job and Pasadena is not paying me what the next store is doing you're not going to get that teacher and that's what's happening. I've been at board meetings where the teachers are demanding fair pay and we're making some improvements but they still get in pink sleeves and 60 plus were laid off now. think they they received 40 of those notices, but basically why aren't we Finding ways to create legislation and allow the teachers to benefit from from the school bond purchases and Benefit from the hundreds of millions dollars by giving them priority to purchase this school bonds You know this this could be done. So why aren't we doing that? The money is the problem of the world. And the money has corrupted many school districts around the nation. And I think this is a great idea to give the money to the teachers. Okay, because this district has absolutely no local hire. And I don't want to hear verbal promises. I want to hear, I want to see legislation to protect our communities and keep the money where it belongs. The city has local hire and it's outside money. The district has tax payer dollars and they don't have local hire. So that is, very wrong issue. Thank you. Thank you. Alexandra Anala. Sorry for Mr. Noucher, your name. Ben Lin Sullivan, Dennis McNamara. Go ahead. Hi, I'll try to keep it brief because it's after 10. We all want to get out of here. I teach high school a few days a week for the LA County Office of Education, primarily at the Da Vinci schools down in El Segundo. But that's not my history. I've been a professor and an administrator in colleges and universities for very, very long time. As a teacher and as a faculty member, I love the idea of building this project and I think it's something we should get behind 100%. In the beginning of the questions, though, and from what I'm hearing from the planning people is, we have planned this up to the day we open the door, and then we'll figure out from there what we're gonna do thereafter. And what I have seen time and again in the University, California, at USC, and a number of other private schools in the state is that we build housing for faculty and we turn them over to a private management company and by the time four or five years have run by the cost is so high the faculty can't even afford to get into it. My first question is if you're going to do this, how do we guarantee that the school board retains ownership of the property? How do we guarantee that it is subsidized at a level and it will take an ongoing subsidy from this council in order to keep the rental rates low? How do we keep the rental rates low? As a faculty member, I love the idea of subsidized housing. But in every faculty community I've seen built by colleges and universities, and I'm afraid of, if you don't plan from the time the door's open to 40 years out, what are you going to do about maintenance? What are you going to do about administration? If you don't insist on having that plan at some point when you're no longer in office, somebody else has been elected to come in seven, eight, ten years from now, they're going to be stuck with a problem. Do we sell this property because we can no longer afford to operate it or will you as the organization that authorizes 80 or $90 million for these brilliant people? Your time is expired. Will you make sure we hang onto it and we keep the right day, we keep the prices reasonable? And I always talk too long. Thank you. Thank you. Lynn Sullivan, followed by Dennis McNamara. Sullivan. Sullivan. Mayor Cordo and Council and school board members. Fantastic project, it looks great. Really wonderful to be able to provide housing. I mean, certainly this is something that's been discussed and I think Council Member Madison talked about the 710 land. But I find confusing and I think Council Member Hampton pointed out is the economics are really don't kind of level out. So you spend $190 million to build this project on a $25 million parcel. And we're going to use that. The public is going to pay for the bonds that are, you know, $4, $5 million a year to service, and we're gonna generate $1.3 million in net operating income. It makes, and that's assuming that there's no cost overruns, that just, you know, everything runs smoothly, which that's hard to imagine too. So what I don't, I mean, the school board has taken this project to the point where it needs to have someone that understands. I mean, even the council was asked fantastic questions tonight and are not in the business of generally developing real estate. So it's amazing to me that it's gotten this far and I don't know. Also why so low density. So you're going to provide 100 units of 115 units to a small group and that group is going to have to probably it's a benefit. It's a public benefit or it's an employment benefit. They're going to have to pay taxes on it. I mean I agree with some of the other comments that we should use the money and that was generated from the bonds and pay people more, so thank you. Thank you. Dennis McNamara. Mr. McNamara. Thank you. All, the board knows this. I think this is a very noble project. I think it's a project for the city. I think it's a project for developers. It's not a project for the district. I think the district needs to focus on its core job, which is our educating our students. They do a great job in a lot of ways and I love the work that the district does, Dr. Hill and the entire group. I praise Dr. Blanco and team and the city for your response during the fires. Fantastic. That's not to say we should be doing affordable housing. We need to focus, the district needs to focus its resources on educating our students. Many of them have special needs. That takes focus. And this will, as it is tonight, is a distraction away from the core work of the district, which has many challenges and our students fully are not yet. We're not meeting the academic standards for our students and that has to be the goal here and I'd rather to the point where we're gonna make 1.3 million but pay three mill but it costs to this taxpayers three million in to four million in in debt service. That's not a good plan. As the taxpayers for direct money to have higher salaries than if that's what's required. But do not get into the housing business focus on educating our students, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That completes public comment on this item. Superintendent Blanco. Well, appreciate everyone's feedback this evening. I do want to say that we have been talking about housing on the school board and through our community, through our 7-11 committees, some in 2013, 2016. So I guess in some of my hastes to make sure that we really did it this time. We didn't do as much community outreach as what we're hearing needs to be done. I will say on former 7-11 committees, part of the application says you can't live within 500 feet of the property that you're talking about, right? So we did call in some experts in the community that have worked with the city before and have worked on public housing projects. And we had lots of conversations about the style and I think some of the experiences that they had might have guided the conversation to go with the style that we chose. But we do have drawings and architect rendings from the other style as well. And so I don't know that that might cost a little more money and we have to go back and discuss that with the board, but that's not impossible. But my main point is the community has wanted us to go into the affordable housing business for many years. And this has been a long-term conversation, and we need it more than ever. This is the first time that we're doing this. It's not the first time we've tried to manage our assets. We have lots of documentation of studies that have never come through. So our goal was to be one of the largest landowners in these two cities and one town and be able to use the assets to generate revenue for our students. So we don't have to keep going to taxpayers and asking for money. We were not expecting the eat and fire. That is certainly a setback in our revenue generation plan, but it's not a setback in this plan, right? We're still able to move forward and do something that's going to benefit our students and our families and our workforce. So I do appreciate again everybody's support and great ideas and I think working in partnership, you know, we can learn from any mistakes or missteps that, you know, we made in this first time out, but I'm very excited to see this project through together. Thank you. Thank you, Superintendent Muluckle. You know, this is a complicated issue. I, when these discussions were originally, originally came forward. I was concerned and expressed that concern to many of my colleagues around the Dias on the school board. Even this, and I'll just share this as a cautionary note, it's very difficult to be a property owner in the rental business. I own properties myself and many of us around the dias do. But it's particularly difficult when the government is in the business of operating rental income. And when we've had many properties that we've put out to, that we subsidize to construct as affordable housing units and then when they're sold they revert the city as a right or first refusal. I intentionally pressed the council to adopt a cap on how many units we can even hold. I think the cap is 30 or so units before we sell. And that's because, you know, it's very difficult when you're a property owner and you're the government and, you know, you're held to a standard where people know that there are deep pockets. And so something that wasn't easy repair or trip and fall that an insurance company might have handled for a private property owner suddenly becomes a major liability for the government entity. I use the example of the LA housing authority, the CDA, the county. You know, they've tried to divest themselves of a number of properties for that reason and put them in the hands of private nonprofit operators because over time, you know, in the accumulated so many properties and then accumulated lots of liability, maintenance, lawsuits, and you name it, everything that was been talked about tonight. And so I use that as an example of a cautionary tale. careful what you ask for, you may just get it. And... and so I used that as an example of a cautionary tale. Careful what you ask for, you may just get it. And so I think the, our colleagues at PUSD, I really think you ought to consider all of those elements. I'm not suggesting, you know, the voters have spoken. You went to the voters and they supported, in part, the initiative with eyes wide open. But I think as trustees, you know, these are all important issues for you to consider as you move forward. Now I lost my entry into that mission. Yeah, because I knew that. And so, yeah. So I simply lay that out as a caution for all of us. And then Mr. Hampton's comments, I don't think were intended to be, in any way disrespectful, I think they're very real. I mean, we've seen it happen, not just in Pasadena, but throughout the county and the state and the country, where government agencies find themselves distracted from their main focus when they become property owners. And landlords. Oh, and the final point is the point on right stabilization and that needs to be looked at the issue of the interplay. Mr. Fredericks. Thank you so much. And I agree. I really appreciate everyone's comments. And I think we need to balance the trust with the constructive feedback. I feel like I've maybe told this story already, but the same architects that have designed our workforce housing designed Santa Clara Unified workforce housing, which started in 2004. And I just so happened to be from Northern California and visited the site. And I actually just walked onto the site and just found a woman putting her baby in the car and just asked how it's going. And that was 20 years they've been doing that. And part of leading is doing this first. But anytime I'm not sure about a concept, I find a precedent, right? And this is the precedent I found that it's not government run housing necessarily. It's an educational workforce housing. And I've found one example who happens to be designing the same thing for us that's working for them. Does the county operate it? No, no. It's the district. So, balance the, you know, again, this is leading the way it's something we could re-imagine together. And yeah, so I really appreciate this collaboration. Thank you. OK. That completes all of our comments. OK. And so yeah, that's it. You're now out of order, Mr. Hanson. So that completes the discussion. Thank you, colleagues, for your time. My colleagues at PUSD and Council and for your work. And thank you to the public who hung in there with us. I would ask that we rise in memory of our former colleagues father and a very accomplished civil servant at the local level, the state level, and a very accomplished human being, Nate Holden. Thank you.