I call to order this City Council special meeting for September 20th, 2024. Roll call. Mayor DePueh. Present. Councilwoman Gillis. Here. Councilwoman Bennington. Here. Councilwoman Dalbo. Here. Councilman Powers. Here. City Attorney Wolfe. Here. City Manager Erby. Here. City Clerk's Latinac President. Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands when the nation under God is individual, liberty and your kind of justice for all. Please remain standing for a moment of silence. I want to start this meeting by thanking each and every one of you guys for getting involved. We appreciate you guys being here. We understand what you're going through. I went through it during Hurricane Ian. My family lost two homes. My 90-year-old grandma lost everything. We need to research any solutions that we possibly can to make sure this doesn't happen. And that's why this whole council is here tonight. The majority of the board lives in Florida shores. I'm born and raised in Florida shores. And I started my first business there. Florida shores always have my heart. It's the majority of edgewater when people think of edgewater they think of Florida shores. We understand that's not the only problem area if you are here to speak about flooding, but that is where the majority took place on Saturday. I'd also like to state that in the back of the room, when you first walk in the door, there are contact cards look for us. We are getting all your tags on social media. We appreciate them. They're overwhelming. If you please could leave a contact card in the back of the room, and we appreciate the fact that we have a lot of things that we have to do. We have to do a lot of things that we have to do. We have to do a lot of things that we have to do. We have to do a lot of things that we have to do. We have to do a lot of things that we have to do. We have to do a lot of things that we have to do. We have to do a lot of to reach out to you as well. Thank you for being here and item two. Mr. Mayor, I'm sorry. Yes. I would like to make a motion. Okay. And I would like to, I want to start this off and get it out of the way. It's going to come up later. I would like to make a motion to terminate the 30-minute city managers contract. Is there, okay? Let me just say there is a there is a let me for clarification it should be a motion to terminate the city managers contract without cause. I would like to make a move actually let's let's take a pause here real quick. Let's take a pause here real quick folks since we are getting into this. I'd actually like to make a motion to terminate the city contract with cause. There is a contract within the city and the city manager. There are required duties in this contract of the city manager is not providing. I have a copy of the city manager's contract and I believe it should have been provided to each and every one of you guys. Item one, page two. Number three duties. Look at Exhibit A, number eight. Keep the City Council advised as of the financial conditions in the future needs of the city. Violation. Three members of the Council have stated that this is a concern to them at the Council at one point or another. Item two, page seven, number 9.5, termination for cause. Non-fusions, which means neglect or omission. Example 1, the city manager did not at form or explain the comp plan amendment, proposed with resolution, relation to the proposed amendments in front of Edgewater landing, resulting in the applicant, now threatening the Live Local Act to build low income housing. Number 8, bullet point violation of the International City, S such County Management Association code of ethics. 10-2, maintain a deep sense of social responsibility as trusted public servant, violation. We have witnessed this in violation for the past month, each time an individual named Mr. Lewis has come to the podium. Our city manager is rude and has a dismissive tone to the individual. Then it's three, demonstrate by word in action the highest of ethical conduct and integrity in all public, professional and professional relationships in order that a member may merit the trust and respect of all the elected and appointing officials, employees in the public. Violation, city manager, personal, Facebook posts are very unprofessional at some point in time. And a point this has been brought to the attention on several former evaluations into him at several other times to my understanding. And Violation B, our city manager, the lack of participation in a partner organization monthly meetings, examples of all these legal cities, chamber of commerce. These types of meetings are important to build trust among our fellow elected officials and our business people to build professional respect and influence as noted in page one or two of the I CMA code of ethics with guidelines and also believe you do have a terrible flooding problem which should be causing. As a point of order as mayor you should not make a motion. I didn't make a motion. I just stated it and I will pass the gavel this time and make a motion for cause is there a second for cause Yes, I pass the gavel to the vice mayor this time Gigi Bennington for the record Second roll call. Councilwoman Gillis. No. Councilwoman Bennington. No. Councilwoman Davo. Yes. Councilman Powers. No. Mayor DePue. Yes. Is there a motion to terminate without cause? I make a motion, Mr. Mayor, I make a motion to terminate the city manager without cause. Is there a second? Second. Roll call. Councilwoman Gillis? Yes. Councilwoman Bennington? No. Councilwoman Dalbo? Yes. Councilman Powers? Yes. Mayor DePue? Yes. Okay. Just as a point of order under the contract, if the city manager is terminated, it costs for 30 days notice of the termination. So if the city manager at his discretion would like to continue working and fulfilling his normal duties for the next 30 days, he would be entitled to do that under the contract. Please no public participation at this time. Would you like to continue? I'll pass. Okay. He passes it this time. We're going to take a brief moment of recess and we will reconvene. We are called back to order at this time. Mr. Geiger, if you could please follow Mr. Erby to his office and please give him a certain amount of time to receive his personal belongings in the amount of till 645 with the discretion of the council. And if it is not enough time for Mr. Erby, let's give him some time to come back in the city hall and receive his personal items. And, you know, we may as a council discuss, I believe Mr. Irby does have a city vehicle. How do we like to proceed with that? Would we like Mr. Geiger to take the keys to that as well? So he doesn't take it home. How would we like to proceed with that at this time? Because he did turn in his resignation without taking the 30 days and honor his severance package. No, no. He is going to get his severance package. That is correct. He doesn't want to work for 30 more days. Correct. He is terminated at this time. He's no longer a city employee. He has a city vehicle. So we need to address that at this time. This council agreed to take the keys at this time. I guess we should. Yes. So please, Mr. Geiger, take the keys to the explorer outside of that Mr. Erby drives to him from work. And at this time, we need to have the discussion of an interim city manager on September 20th. So just as a point, when we start going through this process, there are going to be a lot of things that we're going to look at. On a sort of generic level, what any firm is going to tell us is you're going to want to look for an ex-amount of leadership experience in municipal government. You're going to want somebody with a graduate degree, whether that be business administration, public administration, engineering, planning, so on and so forth, or a combination of somebody who has a certified public manager accreditation, the national CPM accreditation. Jeff Thurman has all of those things. He has a CPM, he has an MBA, he has almost 30 years of leadership experience in municipal government. I would like to make a motion to hire Jeff Thurman as interim city manager at this time. I would like to second that motion. Bro call. Do we need to see if Mr. Thurman agrees to that at this point in time? Is Mr. Thurman, present. Hi, Humble accept. Thank you. Mr. Thurman humbly accepts the interim position at this time. Roe call there was a motion by Mr. Powers. It was seconded by Miss Gillis. Roe call. Councilwoman Gillis. Yes. councilwoman Bennington yes councilwoman Dalbo yes councilman powers yes mayor de Pio absolutely all right then with direction of council I can please no public participation I can negotiate a contract with Mr. Thurman as be an interim city manager? Have you thought about compensation for that position? I believe that we should honor the same pension that I mean he holds the same qualification as Mr. Erby was receiving he will be doing the same amount of time as my recommendation. So you mean his work lands current? Yes. For a period of three months. Well, until we fill the role. Correct. Until the role is fulfilled. Okay. Yes. Yes. So for to match. Right. Mr. Herbie's current salary. We need to keep in mind that he holds the same qualifications. Yeah. All right. And then so I'll prepare a contract for the interim city manager and then bring that to you at the next meeting. Please no public participation. It's fun. Just as I did with Brenda Dewese when she served as interim city manager. We have a question that when Brenda Dewese filled in this interim city manager, did was her pay, same pay as the city manager at the time? I don't recall. It was I think more than she was earning in her position as director of environmental services, but I don't know if it matched the city manager's salary. OK, well, how about this? We researched exactly the average salary of a in-term city manager or a city manager but in the state of Florida if it is higher or less than Mr. Irby's agreement if Jeff Thurman agrees to that that is what we'll go with until we find a permanent placement and we'll place Jeff as an internal does that is that the recommended action I feel more comfortable with the average city manager salary of cities of our size or city of our size within the state of Florida. And I think specifically taxable value is important in that. So yes. Okay do we need a motion for that or consensus of of the council was And then I'll prepare the contract for the interim city manager and bring that back Okay, we'll call him up here now to sit with us Jeff. We need you to finish the meeting please Let's just take a second and say And say thank you, Mr. Thurman for filling this role at a time of need. Thank you. Thank you. So I believe that that would alleviate item 2C at this time. Let's call let's go ahead and take care of that and call the role. I don't know. Would that alleviate 2C because 2C it talks about the nation. That's what I was going to go ahead and get into right now. For discussion let's go ahead and get this over with. Let's go ahead and instead of doing 2A first, let's give item 2C, City Council discussion, determination whether or not to conduct a national wide search for a new city manager. Let's start with council comments or questions. So I think we short sold ourselves the last time around. We did not do a national search for the council. The I don't even know what I was saying. Now what was I saying? Last time we short-shot it. Okay, so the council at the time was short-sided. They didn't do a national search. So I think it's imperative that we do that. I think there's a lot of qualifications and sort of elements that we're going to need to work through as we go through that process. However I am absolutely in favor of working through that nationwide search to open up that pool of talent. So, we're at a point that is imperatively critical for our community that we need an innovative and proactive problem solver and we need to cast our net as wide as we can for that process. So, I agree. And what does Council think about using the strategic government resources that was used in New Smirno? They had great success with that group, where did you want to talk about someone else? Yes, and I believe that the city attorney has reached out to their city attorney if I'm correct. And if that is a recommended action, you could speak on that contract. I believe you've already started that process to see if the council did grow in that direction because it has been discussed twice now. We kept habling and kicking the can down the road. So let's discuss that. Right. The city council could piggyback on the contract that the New sort of beach council approved with strategic government resources. I reached out to Doug Thomas, the executive vice president of that company, and he was amenable to a piggyback of that contract. By understanding his palm coast, piggyback the New Smurder Beach contract as well. So that's the direction. Is that nationwide? Is that nationwide? Yes. It's a nationwide right and that not to exceed cost was 27,900 They they just want to be to budget is 50,000 Although they thought the cost would be significantly less than that there could be additional funds required for candidate travel if you want to fly in candidates and perhaps for an open house desire. We need a proactive leader, not a reactive leader now more than ever and just because we're doing a nationwide search I do say Mr. Thurman I do encourage you to apply you do hold the accreditation and I would encourage you to apply but I believe that that is what is needed right now in our community to see what kind of resources we could possibly get in here to find the best solution to the problems we have in our area. I agree. I would like to go as far as that's concerned. I would like to see somebody, I would like to see the pool of candidates come from other places and see what they bring to us as far as, if they've came from a city before that has handled unprecedented flooding and water issues and how they were able to turn that around and would also like to see somebody who's dealt with exponential growth. So I would like to find a candidate who's dealt with problems that were facing. Absolutely. So is there a motion? I think we just need consensus. I can work with staff to piggyback that contract and we can bring it back to the future meeting for you to vote on. I agree that we use strategic government resources the same firm that Newsomornabitch used. We need to make a motion. No, there's no motion. No, because it's going to come back for a vote once we have a contract. We need back contract in place. Vote on. Okay. We've had council discussion. Citizens comments at this time. Anyone wishing a comment on this agenda? I'd please approach the podium, state your name and address. And please limit your comments to three minutes or less. My name's Larry Campbell, and I live at 32, 22. Will Oats. I got two questions for you, Mr. Thurmond. Because your office door going to be open if we need to come talk to you. At this point in time, could you please talk to the council and fill out a contact card at the back. This is just your time to give citizens comment. And we will reach out to you with any what with the answers to the questions you have. If you feel out of contact card in the back. OK. Well, I got another question. Water come up in New York again. The other night when it come at right, but it didn't come as quite as far. If it's related to flooding, that is right after this discussion. This is related to this agenda item, which is the city council discussion and determination, rather to conduct a national wide search for a new city manager. Yeah, I say go for it. Thank you. Thank you. Apparently the one that we had couldn't do the job. So I mean, at least, I mean, I'm willing to give him a chance at it. I wouldn't want his job. I'll tell you that now. He's got headaches coming. Because there's a lot of people mad right now. So like I said, I'll be willing to give him and let him try. If that's what he wants. But I mean, if you want to do a nationwide search for somebody, I think they would have to live in a place where they have hurricanes and stuff like that and flooding. I think they would have come from that. I don't think they would have come from the central United States. I think they would have come from the coastlines whoever they are. Because apparently we're getting problems. We got problems here. We need to get them fixed. Somebody needs a fix them. So I'm hoping y'all do it. So like I said, I'll be glad to give him a chance at it. Thank you for your comment. Okay, seeing no further citizens comments at this time on this Okay, please approach the podium Hi, it's Rick Moldun and we live in 2918 Pine Tree Drive bought a house last year by business community a long time. I run a sheep and I'm shopping. I enjoy it for a long time. We had water on our back door and our backyard. I didn't rely on the county to carry my problem. I put a truck in the back of my door and I had run a PVC pipe in the middle of my yard. I run it at some pump to the back of the yard for flooding problems. It's still ain't going to be born even now. This is related to the city manager. Contract, the flooding concern is coming out right after this. Okay. Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you for your comment and participating. Okay, seeing no further, citizens comments at this time, there was a consensus. I believe that this discussion is closed. Okay, item 2A, this, item 2A, other business, item 2A, discussion of flooding concerns, in the city and steps to resolve them. Council comments and questions. Yes, let's do citizens comments at this time. Please approach the podium. I'll state your name and address. And please submit your comments to three minutes or less. Hello. Hello. This is better. Let me know when I can start. Please restart the time of the city clerk. It's running? Yes, sir. Thank you for having me here and allowing me to speak. I am no different than any other citizen of edge order tonight by my name is Jerry Khan. I live 509 La Coquina edge water Florida 32141. I am no different than any other citizen of edge order tonight, but I am different because I am here to solve the problem and to help you. I observed the last meeting on the 16th. I am deeply concerned about the citizens and I can help them. I can help the city on my land. I own and want to donate over 100 acres on State Road 442 that City can have in perpetuity to help solve the flood issues and permanently freeze the developments on the land forever. The property is directly- The property is directly- West and cont- The property is directly West and the property is directly West and contiguous the Florida shores and State Road 442 and contiguous to a large portion recently purchased by the Volucia forever program. I consent to a building more torment on 100 acres now. No mitigation, no one can build on it. No zoning change in land. No destruction of wet land, no clear cutting, permanently and forever, no changing the contours of the plan. Put the land into conservation now. You don't need any laws, past or baby steps because I'm consenting to it. Use the land to make a giant lake, a giant retention pond for water content collection, and expand capacity for runoff for all of our shores. No one will have water in their yards. This land will lower everybody's flood insurance rates, 10% in the town if accepted by the city. I want to be a part of the solution for the citizens of edge order. This is my top priority. This is a piece of the solution puzzle the citizens of edge order. This is my top priority. This is a piece of the solution puzzle. It's complicated. I believe 99% of the people at the last meeting and in Florida, George would say, yes, get the land. It's like shark tank. You're getting everything you want and ask for. For the citizens of edge order, please do not ignore me. This is for the long run. I look forward to helping good night and be proactive. Thank you for your comments. Thank you. Thank you. Please limit public participation at this time. Please note public participation other than the citizens comments at this time. My name is Ann Ryan and I live at 2513 Tammer and Drive in Edgewater, Florida 32141. I've lived there since 1998. I've been through numerous hurricanes and I have not seen flooding like I have seen last week. Last weekend the water was a quarter way up my yard, filled my ditch, Tamarind was a river, and that was about one to two hours of rain. If we have a tropical storm or if we have a hurricane, I'm done. I don't have flood insurance. I take care of my mother. She's elderly. I have no place to go. If my house floods, I'm done. And I'm begging you guys to please clean these ditches out. Make, you know, whatever you have to do is to clean the ditches and the canals and do whatever you can do now. I beg of you to do that. You know, I'm not the only one. I, you know, I don't make the money that you guys make. And I can't, you know, I can't buy another home. I'm lucky. I've been there long enough. And I can't even sell my house if it floods. I can't even sell my house. Who's going to buy a house in this? Please, no public participation other than citizens comments. And I do pay taxes. I pay my taxes. And I feel like something needs to be done now if they stop building and that is going to help us. It needs to be done because I have lived here 26 years. And I'm scared. You know what? I had a choice of coming here or going to get a sandbag. Sandbags. And I chose to stay here and speak and hopefully I can get sandbags tomorrow because if it rains for two or three hours strong, it's going to be in my house. And that's really all I have to say. Thank you for your comment. Good evening, Mayor Deput, Council members. My name is Allison Roberts. This is my fiance, Brent Brogett, and I'm gonna make this human for you. We live at 3330 Unbellatory Drive that is at the corner of Unbellatory and 34th Street. If any of you know that intersection, I am one thunderstorm, one vehicle wake away from losing my home. So let me put the human element to this for you. I spent $80,000 to purchase that home because this is my final home. I chose Edgewater. I actually raised my daughter here, Mayor Dupieu. She went to school with you. But I do wanna tell you this, I lived there with my 19-year-old daughter, my two bulldogs, my two cats. That is my home. So when I went around the shores and the storm was happening, I had the pleasure of meeting Charlotte. I also saw you drive right by my home, Mayor Depute. And I want to tell tell you I've been through hurricanes I've seen the worst that nature can do I'm an insurance agent by trade and I shudder to say that in front of all of you but I'm going to tell you the definition of a flood a flood has to inundate your property and the two adjacent properties or two acres surrounding your property. Neither one of those things happened. My home flooded, water infiltrated my garage, my laundry room, and I was a quarter inch of it coming inside my home. We put sandbags out. We have cleaned up the vegetation in our yard. We have put gutter drainage in our yard. We have put gutter drainage in our yard I'm doing anything and everything I can do to mitigate any further damage to my home But what I'm asking you is this as I walk through the shores I noticed that the canals are full of vegetation and what we call water lettuce I walked around and I noticed that there's no consistency in the swales or the culverts underneath the driveways. And I also want to tell you, my home was built in 1961. I encourage every one of you to drive around the shores and take a look at those older homes and tell me what you see. The architecture is the same, but so is the lay of the land and every one of those homes is flooding. Mine included and I'm not in a flood zone. So what are you gonna do to help me? I can't jack my home up. I can't put it on stilts. But this is my this is my home and when I say that I stay that with my heart and I say that you know thinking of everyone standing behind me you know this is my place of peace. Thank you. Thank you man for your comment. We appreciate you for coming and we hear you. Good evening. My name is Odie Babano. I'm at 3103 Silver Palm Drive. I'm a new resident to Florida by the year half now. In the past, since I've been here, some of the engineers have come out on Sober Palm and I've actually talked to them. They came out to clear out the ditches. They took a scoop on each side of the cover and moved on. Only thing they did was waste-paked taxpayer dollars, created another hazard of mosquito trap. And then when I asked the individuals about cleaning out the ditch where the humps are at, oh, sir, we didn't want to damage your yard. That's not my yard. That belongs to the city. You know, I'm willing, I even dug a trench, probably 160 feet, to help my neighbors drain, because I live on the edge where the servitude is at, where all the water drains into. And even the servitude needs to be mucked out. None of them. They run these big tractors in their ground, a steel wet, puts two-foot ruts. And the coverts, the canals. The coverts are at least two foot above the bottom of the canal. When it fills up with water, you are not going to drain any more water at water level. All the drains need to be either backfield and re-aligned back so the water can drain out and you won't have the issues of ductweed and any other plant life that may be growing. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Good evening. Hamla Jordan. My address is 3228 travelers palm. My husband and I also own five acres at the address of 3959 Willow Brook Drive. So I was here on 9-11 for the planning and zoning meeting and I made my concerns known then. We had already been dealing with water issues on the five acres and I made my concerns known about that because that was never resolved and that's been at least a two year ongoing thing. So my question to you all is one, can anything be done on the phase two that's currently being done by one of our homes? Because that's where a big part of our flooding problem is coming from where on our end anyway where we live. And also, what is the status? I might have been a little confused on approving phase three, four, and five. I believe that I'd like to discuss that during the next part of this meeting, which is to discuss a building more Torium. Okay, but I thank you for your comment. Thank you. Thank you. I'm Beth for colon 2801 lime tree drive and about the flooding. I'm sorry I got here late. I don't know if we have a full-time city engineer, do we? Yes, ma'am. Okay, has an engineering report regarding the flooding problems been done? I believe that's what we have to talk about during council discussion. Okay, I think that would be good. I talked to someone who has an extensive background in development, new development, and he felt that the problem is obviously the water needs to be dispersed more quickly. And to do that, you have two choices. One is try to fix the old system. The other is to put in a completely new system that would be up to today's standards. I'm assuming the system we have in Florida shores is from the 60s, maybe the 70s. I mean usually that kind of work is done before all the buildings go up. So probably the best solution would be a completely new system. It would depend on what the town engineer, city engineer comes up with. That would be the best solution, it would also be very expensive. He thought probably in millions, millions of dollars. Now, if we, the citizens and neighbors who keep experiencing flooding because it's going to keep happening, that much is clear. If we are willing to vote for a bond to pay for that as a city, then that's a solution to that where it would be prorated over time. I don't know how people in Edgewater or even Newtsman-a-Beats, but Edgewater would feel about funding some kind of huge amount of dollar work for that. I feel it would be an investment in the future and I would vote for it, but I've had flooding in my house. But I think it might be worth considering that we look at that. Otherwise, it's going to be year after year worrying, flooding, putting a band-aid on it, trying to fix it, more flooding, and it's just going to keep repeating over and over. So that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it. Thank you for listening. Thank you for your comment. Did you have something? I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it's about what year the... Oh, what I wanted to address, maybe, that just spoke. We don't have, I've lived in Edgewater for 50 years, I think. I've told you all this before. We don't have a stormwater management system in Florida shores, and that's where the problem is. It's built in a hollow, and for years and years and years all we did was build out Florida shores, and we didn't have these problems. Now that we're expanding, the water that's sitting in the hollow has nowhere to go. Now the problem might, my thought on this, and I've spent days and days of researching this. The swells in front of your property are all filled out to the road. They should all, when Florida shores was developed, they had swells dug out so the rain could run off the dirt road at that time into this water to convey the water. Over the years, for the last 20 years, nothing has been done about those, that property, the swells and the ditches. I think that one of the problems that will help is we need the city to, on a regular basis, just like everything else, clean out those ditches in front of your houses, and clean out the culvert under it to get that water flowing. That's one of the first steps, and I know there's a lot of you that have volunteered to do some of that this weekend, and that's a good issue. But I don't think the people should have to be responsible totally for that. But I think that is an avenue that we need to look at would have to be responsible totally for that. Let me finish. But I think that is an avenue that we need to look at. When we don't have a storm water system in Florida shores, it's not, it's the city's fault that you have this problem right now overall because they never addressed a storm water system in Florida shores. I can't tell you enough that same thing. The development starts and we don't even think about Florida. Shores anymore and it's built out and you people have been quiet. For the time you know you have been quiet. There is a real problem. I don't think it's from all I personally know this is my personal opinion. I don't I'm not an engineer. I can, this is my personal opinion, I'm not an engineer, I can't say anything, but I think a lot of the problem is in Florida shores is because we're not taking care of Florida shores like we should. I don't think a more torment, I'm gonna say this now, a more torment on other building, other than around Florida shores, and the watershed of Florida shores should have the more torment until we can get the right system in there to protect you people. Well, thank you for that comment. We're first to have council discussion after. I just wanted to elaborate several people and Florida shores told me that most of the stormwater improvements came in the late 90s. I thought that that's what you're not common. Not not not really. Well, whatever we have has been meant. Okay. Or that we had no system. So just to be clear there's no drainage system in the whole of Florida shores. Not official stormwater system. That other developments have to have. Well, let's finish this comments. But I was addressing her. Yes, please, please limit public participation this time. We all have comments we'd like to make at this time. But let's go, let's finish out with the citizens comments and keep on track and then we'll all comment after the citizens. But what I was told was it was completing the late 90s, the last major improvement. It hasn't really been. Well, I was told was it was completing the late 90s, the last major improvement. It hasn't really been. Well, whatever proof there was. Okay. My name is Ken Romer, 518 C. Gall Court, Edgewater, Florida. That's in Pelican Cove. I'm reminded of a NCIS episode where Tony Denozo slamming his hand on, I think Gibbs was missing or something, saying, we need all hands on deck. I'd say that would be appropriate right now. I believe it was Mr. Powers that a little earlier, you know, we need to think outside the box. So a couple possible examples. Perhaps if the attorney thinks it's a good idea, maybe have a chat with judges and see about getting more people that are kept out of jail with community service to perform community service, you can have local law enforcement with county and state probation officers take these people over sea. And while they're working to do some of the work, those officials could maybe be writing some reports with what they've done, things that needs to be done and pass it on to the city manager so they can look and evaluate to help how things are progressing, maybe a possibility. The village I grew up in, they had a program where every summer they paid for college students who were off for the summer. And that was one of those. So I'd leave Texas, come all the way back up to Long Island, so I had a job to work. Cutting the lawns of the city property, the village property, trimming the bushes behind the thing. And so every summer you have potential workforce, and I guess the new city manager is the one who would look at, do we have budgets to maybe hire college students or something? But the point is it's thinking a little out of the box of the way we've normally been doing things. And that's what we're going to need to do. We're going to need to do. We're going to need to do. Please let me public participation. So just a thought, I thought it was great that the stuff came out for people saying that volunteers would do it for this week or whatever, but this would be something you can have on going throughout the whole year. And there's a lot of brains behind me back there that can probably come up with a whole lot of other interesting ideas that hasn't been thought of that could pass them forward and give people some things to evaluate as to what are some other ways to solve the problems, become problem solvers instead of some of the other stuff we're hearing. Anyway, and I want to again thank the public, Mr. Thurman, my first meeting with him was when they didn't pick up my garbage. For whatever reason, and I called, and within a short period of time I didn't have one, I had at least two or three garbage trucks out there. They turned them around right from going into the yard to come back and pick it up. And after years worth of nudging, we finally got some work done on our surge storm stuff before the problem. So he's a very humble man, I think, very soft spoken and I think he'll be a good person to fill in for right now because there's a lot of angry people. Thank you, sir, for your problem. Put up with anybody. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank have a couple questions. The first you kind of answered, which is the answer is concerning. There is no drainage system in Florida shores and we're building all around it and the lower elevation neighborhood does not have a drainage system. So I really hoping you would consider this. I don't know how much it would cost, but we need that drainage system in the lower level neighborhood. My second question, I watched one of the videos that showed one of the new developments draining on top of dumping water on the shores. And my question is, do you have anything in your inspection system to make sure these developers start with the storm water attention pond before they start building up the land and up again on the adjacent neighborhoods. Thank you. Thank you for your comments, sir. I'd like to address the last part of the next discussion. Hey, how you doing? My name is Jason Geary. I live at 1411 rural palm drive. My little area always floods. It doesn't matter if we get one inch rain or two inch rain, but it never floods. It's like this tall in the street and never goes anywhere. You guys were just talking about cleaning the culvert pipes. Uh, clean out the culvert pipes and everything, but recently I had to put a driveway in my house. And I was responsible for the cover pipe, even though it was put in many years ago by the city of Ed Water. And if you guys go to clean those out, and it's in poor condition, who's responsible to replace it? Because at this time, I had to replace my cover pipe when I put my driveway in. So, and just like they say, there's all the things are not maintained to certain streets. I have on our street we do have ditches, but I always flood this much after every rain. And our road takes a beating for it. My kids can't play out there with their skateboard or anything. But long story short is, if you guys start on the problem areas first by digging out the ditches, where is all the water going to go? Because I live at 1411, so on any maps I've seen online, it all flows to the 18th canal and goes out. So the only other close place for it to go is dig a ditch down Volcker Road and there's a ditch behind a quarry of states and Hazelwood River Road that was there a long time ago and like she said it would be millions of dollars to make a new ditch out to the river so where is all this water gonna end up going in the future so if we only had a couple inches well what's the rest of it's going to do, you know? So I don't have any flooding since the hurricane. I had like four inches before came in my house but the guys behind me on pine and everything else they were pretty bad. So I'm just speaking because the gentleman at 18 blocks spoke so I was just here just as he was going on but we really got to fix the problem in the ditches But we got to figure out who's going to be paying for the co-oper pipes now since you said if we're going to clean them out If who's responsible because it's a city property So thank you. Thank you for your comment Hey everybody edgewater chuck Martin 205 Cherrywood Lane Edgewater, 56-year resident. Good news man, I heard it on a radio. Good news, helps coming. I remember back when Jeff Thurman first took over. It was a Sunday I found a spot where we had a collapse call for it. A big one coming out of Walwood subdivision. This man came out on a Sunday after having a heart procedure and got down in the ditch with me and helped me clear out what little bit we could and then he started the ball rolling. They got that old cohort taken out of there and then they cleared out of the way. That man right there. Please limit public participation. If furthermore helps comment there's a lot of good news here in Edgewater. A lot of people don't know about it yet. I'm going to kind of build a means on it. Back in 2017 after Hurricane Erickham through we applied for a grant. Guess what? We got it in 2021, $15 million. Well, you know what? We didn't have a city manager that kept us up to date on it. So that's good question. But I do know the canals that supposed to be going on from what I understand the balls rolling. It's been rolling slowly. We got someone here that can kick the ball along. Okay, good news. Helps coming. We got a man here that is gonna be out there in the ditches. He's gonna be working with these people here behind us to get these things cleaned out. He's gonna find out a way to bring some contractors in here to help dig these ditches out. We can do it if we all work together. And by the way, Florida shores is 6 to 15 feet above sea level. We shouldn't flood. Okay. We should not flood. I live the 2632 victory palm for a long time. Never had a problem down there, but with all the growth and everything has just been overgrown. We've been overrun. We haven't had to resources. We haven't had to write Captain Leading the Ship. Now we got a Captain as leading the ship that's steering us away from that iceberg that we were gonna run into. Thank you, Council for that. And furthermore, I won't spill the beans for the mayor, but he's got some really good plans for the drainage system and edgewater. There's another man that's gonna come up. This got some great plans too. And I want to tell it, but I'm not gonna. But there's good plans. I'll promise going to. There's good plans. I promise you guys. And with that said, thank you everybody for being here. Thank you, sir, for your comment. Hi. I'm John Meister. I live at 2816 Umbrelletry. I have a few observations more than anything else. We've all had our flooding. I drove down to the end of Umbrelletry to look at the development at Balco. And I had seen parts of it before I hadn't realized that they had broken ground on that section. But as I stood there looking at it, I realized that I was looking at the base of a fire hydrant that was at least five feet above where I was standing. That entire development is five, six feet or more above Florida shores. And where is it going to drain? You know, I've been in the business. I'm a site planner, and I've worked for developers. Don't. But I know about development, and I know about development and I know about drainage, I know about site planning, and I was looking for the retention ponds. And I think I found one that was right along Umbraulatory, and I'm looking at it and basically there is a levy so to speak between it and Florida shores. I know it'd be a much smaller situation than what they had with Katrina where the levees broke but I can't imagine what it would be like to have that break and all that water go down through the shores momentarily flooding many many people's homes. I offer my background free to anybody on council in the city that wants to talk to me. I have tons of ideas and I want to give this guy props over here. Came out yesterday. Very professional. Confidence. All the confidence in the world. Good job. Thank you, sir, for your comment. I'm Mary Anzernyak from 1750 Persimmon Circle in Magnolia Village. My question at this point is, and my heart goes out to everybody in Florida so I understand the problem. And they're done that. I've had a house flood. Now, the question is, how wide is the moratorium going to be? Will it include the one on 44? And that is up for discussion at the next agenda item. Please comment on the flooding at this time. OK. My biggest concern is that when we do any one thing, we're not looking, and this has gone on forever. I'm not pointing fingers at any one organization or one administration or whatever. The practice has been look tunnel vision, only at what you're doing at the time, where there are pluses and the minuses. You're only looking at that. It's high time. Any consideration of development or modifications needs to consider the guys above you and the guys below you. And all of Mission Road is a perfect example of all that nobody's paying any attention to what's happening to anybody else. And thus we have issues coming towards 442. So which are going to end up being problems for everybody else. Every one of the developments that we have seen go have raised the place that they're putting new buildings is yards higher than the road. Takes them out of the problem of being flooded but they're causing flooding elsewhere. So I want to see a broader perspective. I think Lucia County should be at these meetings sitting down at the table with the City Council to consider what they're doing about it as well. There's no reason you guys can't work in tandem and prevent future problems. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am, for your comment. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you, ma'am. For your comment. Thank you, ma'am. For your comment. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen my name is Ed Locker I live at 3431 Victory Palm Drive right at the end where they're building we've been there for almost eight years I have never seen standing water there even after the hurricanes like I see down there now. My thing is I understand y'all want to maybe put in a sewer or storm water system, everything, that's fine. But the citizens of this town shouldn't have to pay for developers coming in here and putting in houses. We are responsible to clean out the ditches that are there. Why are we giving them impact fee breaks when they come in here and going to cost us millions of dollars? Why are they not paying it? This is ridiculous. I mean, I feel sorry for everybody further down that maybe got close to flooding during the hurricanes but didn't because they will now. Even people that didn't have water in their yards are going to flood. The water coming out of there is going nowhere. Nowhere, the wetlands are all flooded back there like I've never seen them before. It doesn't go anywhere. They're going on a basis of an Army Corps Engineers report that's over 20 years old that I can find online. You guys may know better if there's a newer one, but they're basing their development on a where we've had storms in the last five years worse than anything we've ever had. I don't think that's right. I'm saying we need a new survey and they should pay for it from an outside person, not somebody that they know. You guys find somebody and get the proper survey done and don't let them have no impact fees let them pay for it. Period. That's my opinion and it's all right most of theirs. Why should they get the breaks? They're making the millions of dollars. We're not. We all moved here for what it is not for what it could be That's what I have to say. Thank you sir for your comment Hope Mcheever 3426 Vista Palm Drive Mine is just like a suggestion and I might be in over my head But a someone had mentioned that does clearing in Houston, Texas for the flooding there, too. Maybe we could put floodgates at every canal that goes into the interco stole to close them up before a bad storm and have pumps with backup generators to pump over the floodgate into the interco stole. This would keep ditches working and flowing and stop the flooding. Such a false suggestion. Thank you. their coastal. This would keep ditches working and flowing and stop the flooding. Thank you for your comment and attending. Good evening. Greg Matthews 2825 victory palm drive. As you know, we're all here. Does discuss the flooding problems in the lack of cleaning the ditches. They have never been done in the three years I've been in my house. That's too long right there for anybody. What I would like to cover those a gentleman earlier had made a comment about a large sum of money. I googled it. The City of Edgwater has been awarded $14.69, $7.665 million as part of the Florida Department of Economic Opportunities, rebuild Florida's infrastructure, repair program. Okay, I have to ask you so it's in front of everybody. Where is the money? Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. That's all I have. I would like to report as to where the spending of that money's gone so the town citizens can see where you guys are wasting their money. Thank you. We can do that. We have created a new department on our website to see what all grant funding we do have. It will be made available. And I would recommend at this point in time a consensus of the council to have our PIO officer post a recommendation of all the grants we have received and a plan that go along with them because we do have to report to the state what we are doing with most grant funding. Very good, thank you. Thank you for the comment. Thank you. Thank you. David Wollhorn, 1404, Mangle True Drive. So we have a good one. Next guy you need to start talking to is Tommy Smith. He has a lot of issues with home owners. Future in laws, vice within. Clean ditches, no. Come out clean, no. Come out clean, no. Multiple times. Further down, some other people I can say, issues with them, not out there doing this job. Not sending the right people. So, you need to talk to supervisors. These are in charge of your ditch cleaning. Thanks. Thank you for your comment. Good evening. My name is Judy Warner. I live at 21 25 needle palm. I understand that we're all here for the same reason to get help. I'll be here 10 years on October 14. I have never, ever had one city person clean a ditch. And Ian, the retention ponds weren't lowered. The, I lose my train of thought, the alarms never went off, the pumps never went on. And Ian traveled eight miles an hour from Tampa. We had plenty of time to do all that, but no one did a thing. In the paper, we just talked about a grant, just on New Samurna, where the state rep come and give $837,500 for a storm project. Where's our money? Then in the yesterday's paper, I now see an increase in taxes from $10,000 in some odd dollars to $12,100. So, our taxes are going up, but what about us? I had my house flood. I was graced to have a friend that lives on Riverside to keep me for three months before I could get back to my house. The stress after that gave me a hot attack that I died in my driveway. Now, that being said, with the water that was on needle palm, they wouldn't have been able to come to me, so I would have been dead and whose fault would that have been. So please, please, please do something. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your comment and attending. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your comment and attending. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Hi, it's Rick from, Rick Muldoon from 2018 Pying Tree Drive. Now we can talk about the flood issue that we had over there. The back of the property, the front of the property, we had water come over to up to my back door and rolled inside the house. I mean, all we could do at that time, put towels down the holder from getting inside the house. And we got some water in the house because of that, but we were able to dry up so it wouldn't have a problem. That very same day, because they every know I run some of my shimmyl in the shop. So I had a sump pump. So I had to take my sump pump and our shop bring it back to my house and put it in the back on the grass and pump water from the back of the house all around the house, so it flowed the other side. We had a river between back and probably to the front on the one side. Now with pumping water away from the back door because it was rolling in. Next day, I want to solve a problem and I put a trough in the back of my door and I put up three inches of PVC pipe and a drywall. And I didn't have time, I rocked it, I didn't have time to cover that hole yet. And next day we got rain, that rain came in and it troughed the over. It's a meme of my girl or putting every couple of hours pumping it at some pump inside the drywall, pumping water further in the back of the property and drying. So the water still come down in my property on the backside and we're pumping it further back just to until it rains out in the ground. The ground is saturated so I mean digging the big ditches out the water is not going to or even big amount because the ground is saturated. You can't go in and just keep rolling back to the same area. We keep pumping it back and it just keeps running in because the grounds are totally saturated water and obviously the elevation is different from the back yard probably because the water runs down to go in and it basically sits right in the back of the house. And we'd never had a problem in the past until just recently we're actually flooded into the house when we ended up stopping the problem but we had to plug a pump in, pump it out to the back of the property and then when that trough fills up again when the the rock ditch we have gone on there it fills the rock pickup we just pump back out again and we've had done that it passed four or five days pump the water back out in the back property and that's what we've been doing right now so there's a water problem I'm not sure what the right answer is but that's how we solved it inside the house but we got to figure out a problem how to solve the problem in the future and I didn't do a survey on that particular house with the elevation number. There is gotta be elevation back at the house to the back of the property. There's the elevation problem. There's somewhere in the line, but her dad, my woman's dad is an engineer and a surveyor. He said he would go out and look at the property, but I said, well, it's somehow the water keeps going back our door and all I can do the pump it back over there and it does slow the process and it's nothing got back in house since then but that's we definitely have water problem and I've been in construction most of my life and I've never seen it flooding it bad it's I've been overwork or land long time, you know, in construction. I've just never seen this much water on. I do a lot of work Orlando like no. Thank you, sir. Understandable. Thank you for your comment. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your comment. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you for your comment. Thank you for your comment. Appreciate it. Thank you for your comment. I'm sorry. Jerry was in 20 or 30 on street drive. At the end of my law, my my my yard. Why a three is got a box right in front of my drainage pipe. But they've come through. That was dug around it might help a little bit of drainage. But I have a question. Do we have pumps? The pump, anything out of our reservoirs or anything, to move this water? Do we have any kind of pumps for a runoff? This is your time to comment. And we will answer questions in a further date if you fill out a contact card. But yes, every public works facility does have pumps and we do use them. And we do have a need. We need it. Yes we do. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Hi. I'm Jean Murray de Vies, 1868 Pine Tree Drive. I appreciate all the conversation about long-term solutions. We need that. Absolutely. We have to have that. But the reality is, we also need a short-term one. We're flooding right now. We're flooding right now. And we have storms that are out. It was two years ago, September 29th, which is in nine days from now, that our house was flooded with 24 inches inside. We lost three cars and all of the contents of our home. We need a plan for now, like not just sandbags. The reality is my home may flood in the next couple weeks with these storms, and that is terrifying. What are you guys gonna do? We need help right now. Thank you. Thank you for your comment. Walker 2014 needle palm. I was looking about 15 years ago. I was looking online and I found something that said that in the 20s are the 30s. The military built Florida shores as a water runoff area. And I just wanted to let everybody know that. I don't know if everyone knows that. That's my house flooded. And thank you for what you're doing for trying to help everybody. Thank you for your comment. Thank you for what you're doing for trying to help everybody Thank you for your comment. Thank you Cynthia black umbrella tree drive GG. I've been here since 1987 I don't know what research you've been doing. You didn't live in Florida shores. In 1990, St. John's Water Management came in and updated the flood plan. By 1995, it was completed. They closed all the side streets to accommodate the flooding. And it improved. So I don't know what you're talking about. We didn't flood for until 2004 and it was mainly due to more development because we had the house in Boone that we started getting a little bit more flood water waters. During the 2004 hurricanes, that's when we started having more flooding. But still, it wasn't until Hurricane Ian that we really had flooding. And then of course, it wasn't, not, um, 2004 hurricanes we had flooding and then again, and Ian, it's been these developments. This last last rain it was the vocal road project I watched it it was 30 minutes that canal behind my house built up that was the cost of this yes the canals are not being cleaned like they used to we need this building moratorium please rethink what you're saying. Like I said, you haven't been in Florida shores. You're not doing proper research. Thank you. Thank you for your comment. Thank you. Thank you. Agnes Whitter, 223 Flagler Avenue. Obviously, I don't live in Florida shores, but my house did flood. And I do have a ditch in my backyard, and the city does clean it out, and we clean it out, and I still flooded. There's got to be a solution besides a moratorium for what's going on because a solution is not going to last forever. And we need different methods to try and allow the water to move naturally. Right now every single square foot of cement that you pour, changes the lay of the land, and it changes the path of the water. So what you have to do is you have to start planning or building in new ways that you allow the land to be able to absorb the water. You're going to have to use permeable cement and I've just given Charlotte a couple pictures of alternatives, grass cement pavers which are open. You've got them already in front of CVS around their big oak tree that they've got out front that lets the water herculate back down into the ground. And there's two different styles that you can use. So one of them is used in commercial construction that can be valuable. You're gonna have to start raising your houses up off the ground instead of filling dirt in and raising the earth up off the ground and flooding your next door neighbors. It's just not going to work that way anymore. You've got to use different methods. Thank you, ma'am, for your problem. Hello. My name is Deena Brown. I live at 306 Silver Palm Drive. I've been in the shores probably 10 or 11 years. I've been on different streets. I've been on victory. I've been on stable. I've been on juniper and trying to get away from the flooding. And they say, I on silver. Won't fly on don't silver. But I have the newest house on silver palm. And it's two months old. And I'm on the canal. And I was getting it from both directions because the canal was cresting. So I had it coming from the back and the front, my driveway, and I came with it a foot. Thank God it stopped raining this time. I've only in the house two months, so I didn't go through Ian there. Thank God it stopped raining when it did or I would have been flooded probably from both sides. Totally ridiculous. My second point is if you all knew we didn't have a stormwater system and the shores, why are we paying stormwater fees? I don't know about... And I don't know about all my friends back here, but I don't think I might want to refund for all the stormwater fees. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am, for your comment. My name is Sherry Freeman and I live at 3410. I'm sorry. Please know public participation, but please read into the microphone a little bit better. Thank you. Please. My name is Sherry Freeman. I live at 3410 Woodland Drive and we took pictures during Hurricane In when our street flooded. And we had kayaks going up and down our street, a lot of flooding. And then we took pictures Saturday. We ran out to pictures. Same thing. My question is this. It's been a long, long time. But I understand most states have a revised code Like Florida revised code We had Ohio revised code. Do we have that here in Florida? And if we do does Edgewater have a revised code that you all are following? Thank you for your comment. Yes. We could get that question to you if you fill out a contact card. We'll get an answer for you. So my last question is this. Will the vocal developer be held accountable for the flooding that damaged some of the homes? Yes, I'd like to discuss that in the next part of this meeting. Thank you for the comment. Hello. My name is Sherry Raider, 460 Palmetto Street, Edgewater I spoke the other day. You know my story, I'm the lady getting the car wash. And Miss Charlotte, I appreciate I heard your last comments after the meeting and I did appear at that planning and zoning. However, my neighbors didn't because most of them sold the left. I think I'm probably the last original person on the street and I've been there since 1981 did not flood through Francis, Jean and Charlie. Okay, you guys are not responsible for 10th Street. I know that's a county project, but we did have the canal, which is now the storm water. The storm water was fine. It was the front of the street. Like I said, we have no drainage on Palmetto. I know Florida shores is a lot more people, a lot more affected, but please don't forget the older part of edge water. Still has problem, there's no drainage. There's that big metal thing on the road that's gotta lid on it, but the lid never comes off and nothing ever goes down it. You put the four apartments in front of me with a big hill in their backyard that now runs right straight down to my bright yard. There's no drainage there. You know, when I back out in the road, it's from the dirt to the road. I don't have no culvert or pipes or anything under that. And that's why I'm scared to death about the car wash because if they add any more fill, everything's going to keep running again. We're in a gully. And that's an older part, you know, I live in the older part neighborhood. I've been there since 81. It bothers me that all those people, we were an old community that helped each other. Now I have, they're all Airbnb's. I don't even know who my neighbors are anymore because everybody got scared it was gonna happen again and they left. And the house next door to me right now is for sale. You can look up Zillow for that. So I'm just saying, please keep in mind which are building codes and everything to edge water as a whole because there are other people affected not taking anything from Florida shores. And I told you the other day I was two days from being in my house six months and it cost me $94,000 to rebuild my house. And I'm scared to death with this storm coming because I don't want to do it again. All the pictures are gone, all the scrapbooks are gone. You know, material things you can replace, that stuff you can't. But please get us some drainage, get these roads fixed, stop building so high that we're in a gully and just keep edge of water completely in mind. And thank you. Thank you, ma'am, for your comment. Applause. My name is Art Slack. I'm a 3031 on Broadway, three drive, Edgewater Florida, Florida shores, Florida shores. There is, I was here the other day and I will stay and keep coming so you can hear what I see and one minute I was here I see some I say some I would say the majority of people here are from Florida shores. Florida shores have 11,77 month for water restoration. Is that correct? Around that figure, yes. Yes it is. 11,760 residents at the end of of 2003 and I know we got more now in Florida's shores. That comes out to a hundred and sixty thousand a month we're paying for this water and everything's corrected. Is that true, Mr. Mayor? Is it true? That's what we're paying for. Correct? Correct. All right. Now, Erna was here and you sucked up the government to take care of other issues. Are those completed? I'm. The flooding in other areas. I could bring those numbers in when I come in on Monday. Are those completed? If any questions will for any contact, Bill Connelly. You don't know nothing about it. You're not paying anything, attention to anything that's going on around you. Since I'm putting it to you, you could take it personal. Thank you sir for your comment. Oh, I'll come back up again. All right. What do you want me to put it up? You said thank you. Thank you, sir. I'm a There's more to it, buddy. I would like to know what you said for your comment. I will This shit started happening. What you got in All please What you got in All please I'm nothing's being done. What are you doing is? Mr. Guy girl, please come to the front. No, please do not let you get out of here. Thank you for your comment. I'd love your contact. I'd love your contact information to contact you if you could please leave it in the back of the room. Thank you. Please no public disruption. My name is Todd Smith and I am a member of the public. I'm a member of the public. I'm a member of the room. Thank you. Please no public disruption. My name is Todd Smith and I own two homes here in Edgewater. Well one is out on Mission Road. Do you have other ones over here on Easter? God Avenue. I'm trying to try not to reiterate a lot of things that other people have gone over and things but One thing that has been on my mind is all the new construction and everything you know if If anybody was to go out Where these new developments are going in and walk through there I'm willing to bet you can't Before any construction started before the first trees came down I bet you couldn't walk through there Because it's all swamp land and I don't know how to fill in it and building houses on it. Because my property out on Mission Road, I have a swamp in my front yard, but I like my swamp. Okay? It's a good noise buffer and everything, you know, keeps my privacy. But I can't fill that or do anything with it. And it's not as low as a lot of the areas that I see them building houses. And I'm not really sure where to go with that. But take it for what it is. Now, we've had flooding problems right over here on East Tergaad Avenue in the past. It's a hill. The river's right there. You think we can get the water from the top of the hill? The river? What have I flooded my house? Nope. You know, and now there's a gentleman who's two doors down from me, a really nice guy and everything, but he knocks his house down and built a new house there. And filled his whole yard up. So now, can't get wood or through there, it was used to get through there. And that was after I was reassured by the city that all that was being looked into it was all looked into and everything was all taken care of. And I had nothing to worry about. There's a ditch runs down the side of the road right up to this guy's yard and it's in a hill. Where's it would or go? We really need to do some planning. And I don't know what the goal is here if we're trying to make edgewood or the size of Daytona Beach or what, but I've had enough construction. You know, we all moved here because we wanted a nice small town where everybody knows everybody and you know A lot of us moved here 40-50 years ago 30 years ago whatever, you know, but it was a lot smaller It's getting out of it's getting out of control and it is it's going too fast that obviously we can't keep up with it So they need to stop building until they get these issues resolved. And I realize that might be met less tax dollars, but it's going to be a lot less insurance dollars. So thank you for your time. Thank you, Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening, everyone. My name is Erwin. My name is Erwin. My name is Erwin. Good evening everyone my quennaur of 1850 come quiet and First off for you guys on the council. I realized that you weren't around when all this crap started and I'm sorry that you're the ones that have to be here to try to clean up the mess because that's exactly what's been made but I believe it was in 2008 The citizens of edgewater florida voted not to have this runaway building crap because we liked our small town. I moved here because it was a nice quaint small town with access to any place I wanted to go within an hour. If I wanted to live in a cluster, which is what we're becoming, I would have bought a house in Port Orange. That's simple. I didn't. I bought a house here because I liked Edgewater. That was 25 years ago. We've been through many storms. Not had any problems. Our former city manager, Mr. Tracy, used to make sure that our canals were cleaned every year. He used to make sure that our drains were cleaned every year. He used to make sure that our pumps had been serviced and they were running. That didn't happen with Ian. I watched the city guys try to get pump after pump started and they couldn't get them started because none of the storm prep had been done. We've already resolved that problem just in case you're interested. But the bottom line is this is common sense folks. You can't keep taking away our natural drainage and building it up and developing and thinking that there's not going to be a problem because this has been going on since I've been here. Every time a development goes in, no, granted, there's going to be some natural growth, but this stuff has just been runaway crap. And I say that tongue in cheek because I've made my living working in those developments over the years. But I've also seen a good development and I've seen bad developments. And this crap going on out here at Volko Road ain't even close to being good. You can't take away our natural drainage and keep thinking that we don't have a problem because we do. And it's the older homes that are paying the price for that. My home personally got flooded in Ian because of Mr. Erby's lack of foresight to have our drains cleaned and the pumps running and what it did was it plugged up the 18th Street aqueduct and you already all know that and the aqueduct collapsed. And we didn't even have any storm surge, very little storm surge from Ian. In 2004, after the, I heard it said before, the hurricanes came through here. Hurricane Francis stood over top of us for two days, raining about the same amount, and had very little problem. Thank you, sir, for your comment. It's great. Anyway, I appreciate it. I appreciate little problem. Thank you, sir, for your comment. It's great. Anyway, I appreciate it. I appreciate you guys. Thank you. Good luck. Thank you, sir. If I can be of service to you, please reach out and let me know. It's appreciated. Thank you for your comment. Okay. See, no further citizens come. Sure. Well, still open. Okay. My name is Glenn storage and I represent the owners of the Deering Park North and Deering Park Center communities. Sorry. My name is Glenn storage. I represent the owners of the Deering Park North and Deering Park Center communities west of 95. And I got to tell you that my clients have, I want to thank you for allowing me and my clients to be part of this discussion. We are proud members of this community and my clients believe that if there is a problem in the community, just like the gentleman who first said something before, then we need all hands on deck and to solve that problem. And so what we're doing is we're trying to offer to help solve that problem. When we heard of the flooding in Florida shores caused by the conditions of ditches and the culverts and canals, Robbie Lee, who's our land manager, who's also a resident of Edgewater, immediately called the city manager and offered our equipment and our staff to help. We have some big equipment that will be glad to help in whatever way possible. So I want to let you know that first of all. That's important. Secondly, I also provided you a letter that indicated that we would be glad to help you also with grants and grant applications to help reimburse for the cost of what it's going to take to fix these things. Because right now your stormwater is your major issue in Florida shores. The stormwater has not been maintained. See the pictures of the ditches and the culverts and the canals and that is the problem. You have a you have a conveyance system that doesn't work. It's broken. And so when I look at this, because I have friends and floor to show us who were very much impacted by the flooding, I appreciate my clients willingness to help. And so when we're looking at this, I ask you to look at that issue specifically and how we can help. And I will tell you right now, if you make that the priority and for what you're trying to accomplish, then my client is staying ready to help. Just as other members of the community has indicated they are willing to help, please let us help people to this solution. Thank you, sir, for your comment. It's appreciated. Hi, I'm Lisa Delaney, I live at 2228, ComQuat Drive. This past week, I think a lot of people have had good ideas, but I think I haven't heard anybody touch on what I feel like is the most important thing. And that's what's being done right now with that development at the back of the shores because that has caused the majority of what's happened. We have a storm coming. I know you want to do a building moratorium. What is that going to do for a neighborhood that's already in the process of being built? Because my personal feelings, and I'm not an engineer, we need to shut that crap down. And there's no public participation. Let them bring, they want to do something, let them bring their heavy equipment in and start pushing some of that filled dirt back, take it out of there. Because the thing is, I flooded during Ian, I didn't flood as bad as my neighbors did. I had no mortgage on my house, and I had a set plan from the time I moved to Edgewater back in 2010 or whatever year it was. I have planned my life out financially, and it just got destroyed because of Ian Ian I can't make ends meet I've got a damn truck payment that I can't afford. My insurance didn't pay it took me I went up until two months ago with a roof that leaked I still have mold in my house just got air conditioning a month ago I have loopess and all it's going to take is one more flood. What's going to happen to me? Where am I going to go? And I'm not the only one. What about all these other people? Is FEMA going to come in when they've already gave us $10,000, $15,000? And a lot of us haven't even finished repair, is that? They're not going to turn around and say, oh, here's another 10, 15, 20,000. And at this point, I'm not a lawyer, but I'm going to tell you what, I will do everything in my power if we flood again to go after the developers because they shut up. You know what, you are the reason that we have all the development. They're the dressing council. He know what? You are the reason that we have all the devils in the dressing council. He is the reason for all the development. He is and none of us wanted. None of us wanted. I've had it and I'm going to tell you, I've busted my butt to get to where I am in life. I am not rich. And if somebody like that is going to be the cause of me and my family being homeless, yeah, I'm going to do everything. I will take every last scent that I have and take every loan I can have to find an attorney to sue the hell out of you. Thank you, ma'am, for your comments. Okay. Seeing no further citizens comments at this time. I'm Haley Vazza 1530. Sablepom Drive at Water Florida. I'm terrible at public speaking, so y'all are going to have to excuse the shaky voice. It is my belief that Deering Park will be affected by moratorium. I'm curious how and what the intention is in offering solutions now with instruments that could possibly help the situation when during park owns thousands of wetlands currently. So if we want this to stop, I hope Mr. Storage has a way and a revised engineering plan to make this new development sure and their clients can keep us from future and further flooding. I would strongly appreciate that. And I ask that the city moves forward with this moratorium to make sure this doesn't continue happening, because I am also positive that this law firm has aided in the issue if that is a hand. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am, for your comments. Applause. OK, seeing no further citizens comments at this time, we're going to go to council comments and questions. Why don't we start by letting Mr. Thurman introduce himself and give his background and where exactly which department he came from. Thank you. My name is Jeff Thurman. I've been with the city almost three years now. I've got over 35 years of experience in public works and environmental services. Before I came to the city, I was a management consultant for 14 years, helped public works, agencies, save money, do things cheaper, just streamline their organization from their budgets to actual doing work in the field. Before that I worked in Seminole County, worked from a laborer up to a manager at the time. Love this community. I'm dedicated to this community and I look at as a partnership between us and you. It's not us versus you. It's us working together. The make of this community is the best it can be. And I'm just moved by the turnout even tonight. Just them sharing from the hearts. I was flooded myself and I understand I do. I hear you and we're going to do everything in our power to again work together and move our community forward. But I thank you for being here. I did move as of earlier from environmental services. I was the deputy director of that department. I've met some of you, would love to meet more of you through as time goes by, but thank you for your one welcome, if you will. APPLAUSE Thank you, sir. It's appreciated. Who would like to start the discussion? Well, folks, we appreciate you coming. We understand your concerns. We hear your concerns. Tonight we've taken a different approach in our management style. And I think that that will help. I really do. When I was first elected mayor, like I stated, my family lost everything during Hurricane Ian. My grandmother had water up to her countertops. We lost absolutely everything. Luckily, I didn't flood on YD tree inches away, but I understand what it's like to go through that. When I was first selected, I took our former city managers throughout the city and looked at a few maintenance and ditches, and he didn't have a plan. What I'm hearing from the residents and around the community is it's a lack of maintenance. Whether it's the canals or ditches, it doesn't matter. The culverts in front of homes, I believe, is a leading factor as well. You can just see that it is not properly maintained, no matter what. When I was told by past management, it'll take 10 years to clean out every culvert and floor to shores. Well, that may be true. I don't know if it is or not. I'm not an engineer. But what are my children going to say when they're standing at that podium saying, I flooded again because the culverts weren't done 30 years ago. It's not fair. We need to come up with a plan. We need to do it fast. to move forward within the city and make sure that this is we do everything in our wheelhouse to make sure that this is not happening again. I think the council is all on the same board. I think our new management is as well. We did start out the discussion to to have management kind of come in and give a formal example at this time our former management. I'm glad we went in this department. I think a fresh new eyes that has experience in this kind of background will be great. I think at this time if it's directive of the council let's give our recommendations for what we hear from our constituents. Mr. Thurman our new intern city manager and let's see about scheduling possibly at our next city council meeting. Regular city council meeting. What do you I believe that that would that give you enough time? Yes. To come up with a plan, his new management plan to see what he's seen in the community because he's there. He's seen it. He was in public works at the time that this occurred on Saturday and come up with a plan. We hear you, we understand you and that is my comments at this time. I do want to say, like I do look forward to it because I've been on the off the phone with Jeff all day sending him to different addresses. I mean, anybody, some of you people who met with him today, when you've reached out to me with an address, I say I have a guy that I'm going to send you and Jeff is always that guy. And I am very happy to see you moving forward what you're going to do. I say you're my problem solver and my fixer and to see you in this position kind of makes you want a happy cry. I'm not going to lie. But I know that he already has some plans that he is working on because people brought up the culverts in front of the houses. There's some that just over the years where people have changed the layout of the land, where there aren't any culverts anymore, where if you look at the aerials from years ago, there used to be culverts. So he talked about getting a plan and going through and finding all the ones who've got the missing culverts and then setting up a map of that. So I know there's little see other things. I did want to, like I know we're looking for other direction. I wanted to bring up, I know we use day labor for garbage sometimes. If we don't have enough people to do everything, can we look into doing that as well for more for the ditch maintenance, so we can get a jump starter on everything. I know there's residents that are saying they're going to come out Saturday, I've offered to go out to. I mean, if I got to go out there with a weed whacker to get more people to go out with stuff, so I mean, what does it say if I'm one of the ones who's got to go out there too? We need more people doing it, and if we got, I don't know, who we got to hire to get out there to do it, but that's something I wanted to're asking you for a plan. I did ask earlier can we hold that developer accountable and can I get a staff response from that as far as I'd like to discuss that with with the more important that's okay we can discuss it now but I have one more thing that I'd like to discuss that with with the more important that's okay. We can discuss it now But I have one more thing that I'd like to add as well our county sorry I mean interrupt our county represented has been tremendously very Has been a tremendous contact to me so far we are speaking and one of the things that I am Talking to our representative about is the county possibly coming in and helping. We don't know if that's confirmed yet, but I want to let you know that that is in the talks from our county representative and our state representative did reach out to me this morning. So we are in discussion as well. If we need any state and county resources, they are open arm at this time. Can I just get clarification before I forget later on to ask regarding the stormwater plan presentation for the October 7th meeting? I believe the- Not Monday, right? I believe the October 7th meeting would give Mr. Thurman enough time to get situated while he is situated with the staff but to come up with a longevity plan. I just want- Does that sound reasonable, Mr. Thurmond? Yes. Thank you. Thank you. If I may, Mr. Mayor. Mr. Thurmond and I, as you know, have worked very closely together. It was, we understood the council's desire on Monday night was during this week come up with such a plan, or at least certain elements of the plan. I'm sorry everybody. My name is Randy Cazlow. I'm your development, excuse me. I'm your environmental services director and your city engineer. The document that I handed. Mr. Cazlow, I appreciate you being willing to do this, but you spoke about this with, I believe, our last management team and I'd like to make sure that Jeff goes through this thoroughly and it is along with his plan And let's revisit this at a later date if that's okay with council. I must have misunderstood That's okay. No problem at all. Appreciate you coming to the dios and this is Randy Coslow for the record our city engineer And he's also over environmental services. No, I just want to kind of piggyback on Charlotte. As far as maintenance, culverts can now swales. As I drew through, I, my eyes are now on every culvert that's covered up or he have covered up or no longer there. So I think that's a great for start in getting back. And I'd like to look outside the box and love the ideas of having day laborers or moving employees from one spot to another when they're not needed in their department head. I think that's great. We can work around things. We're not stuck having to do it a certain way. So I love all the ideas and I appreciate everyone coming out. And I'm looking forward to the community's help, sobby's problems. I do, sorry I'm going all over the place, I did have another question that I did want to bear with me. As far as the driveway culverts I wanted to bring that up because I mean I would love to see us doing, I was told by prior people before that we couldn't do it. So can we do that? Because I mean, I would love to see us go out there and do every single one of them. But I was told in the past that legally we couldn't. So I wanted clarification on that. That we would take to fix some clean-out particular. Oh, I know. Why not? I couldn't because if we could break the driveway. Well, that was in the past when you could come up with a plan. But we can do that now. I mean, I would love to do that now. I couldn't do that in the past. So I would love to see us out there doing every single darn one of them. So I agree. And another thing I didn't want to bring up and this is, I would like, really this is something that I would like you to expand on. So, I don't have the exact number in front of me right now, but the 14 million is for, it was just so there's some clarification on that. It was for a certain project that the grant was awarded for the G2G11 project, and that's on the other part of town, and they applied for that years ago. And I wish that we could take that and use that for other projects. But Randy, could you explain what's going on with the G2G11? So I don't want people thinking we're sitting on a bunch of money that we're not doing something with. I want just so everybody knows what's going on with that project specifically and why that money is going to where it's going. Okay, yes, thank you. That area, what we referred to as the G2 and G11 Canal Basin is west of US one east of the railroad tracks from the north end of town at Tent Street going south down to about Marion Avenue just past the YMCA. It contains some of the lowest lying area in Edgewater. Many of the houses, especially on Palmetto Street, are actually lower than Riverside Drive. The $14 million grant, $14 million and change, $1 million grant. There's a lot of reports that need to be filed in order to comply with all the auspices of the grant program. It's a federal funds grant. They have a lot of requirements to a lot of checklists. The engineering is proceeding along very well on, I believe it was yesterday. We received the 60% plans from the engineer for internal review, for staff review. And the construction is being split into two groups of projects, those which are, we'll say, a more conventional, easier to design because they're kind of more conventional. And then another group which are, take more coordination with other agencies, such as property acquisition and other items like that that could delay the or at least slow down the production of those plans. So one of the features that's going to happen is NAPS Street will become, in essence, a levy. There will be backflow prevention tide gates that will be installed at the G2 canal and the G11 canal so that south of Nap Street will not receive the backflow from the river and will be able to drain out via large pump stations. We're looking at constructing as many as three large pump stations along the G2 canal as well as looking at different places where we can dig the largest ponds that we can dig even though it's a very built-out area. There's not a lot of land left where we can dig the largest ponds that we can dig even though it's a very built out area there's not a lot of land left where we can dig these ponds. I guess I just wanted I wanted some clarification for everybody because I don't want I don't want citizens thinking that we're sitting on that money and that we could use it for floor to shores because if I could take that from that pot and move it to do everything for sure as I would. I just I would I just wanted that to be I wanted that clarification so that grant cannot be used for other than the G2G 11 project we can only use it for that. That's correct. Those funds can only be used in that area and specifically it is not money that has been transferred to us already. It is money that we spend out and apply for reimbursement. Thank you for your clarification. Are there any further council comments at this time? Seeing none, we are going to take a brief recess and discussions and direction staff regarding a building moratorium. We're going to start with council comments and questions at this time. And then we will have citizens comments who would like to start the discussion. Go ahead. As I mentioned before earlier, we were talking about the condition of the Florida shores and more time that we're proposing. I don't know exactly how extensive the council wants it, but I would suggest that we keep it to Florida shores and there. I'll write it, I got this written there. Anything that would run off and affect the Florida shores, the more time, all around Florida shores in any place that it would affect with the runoff. Please, please no public participation at this time. There'll be, citizens comments right after council and staff comments. I'm sure you all have been told or it's, it's, you've heard that we've got developer standing in line to sue us if we put the total more time in. What I'm suggesting is for the shores needs help, we need to be thinking about doing whatever we can do to get this situation solved. And I don't think punishing the rest of the city, or letting, I don't mean punishing. I mean letting the rest of the city go for the expansion that is given to us. Now we count on our staff to give us when a project comes in they go over everything. They're the ones that tell us whether it can go there if it meets all the requirements. And obviously we have some builders that aren't doing that, and they're not being pleased. But to stop the whole building industry, I think that would be a bad move for the future of edgewater. It may be a good idea for right now, but overall I think it would be a very bad move for the future of edgewater. Please note public participation at this time. There will be assistance comments. That's my opinion and that's how I feel about it. Mr. Mayor, if I may, I kind of prepared kind of a walk through for you guys to kind of brainstorm this topic and then I can go sit down once I walk you through. This is Ryan Solstice, Development Services Director and Interim Economic Development Director for the City of Edgewater. Just some things to consider. So a timeframe for a moratorium. So courts have typically found that one year and less are not a burden and that's based on case law. So a question that you guys need to flush out while you're having this conversation is what is to be accomplished during this year. So there's many facets to doing a moratorium. So is this a moratorium on projects in the pipeline? So one of the things to consider is that people who have already applied, they've undergone staff review, they've gone through the TRC, they're going to whether it's planning and zoning or going to council prohibiting these applicants from going through the process could potentially deprive them of their due process. So that's just something to, you know, we need to consider one of the things that News Sumerna did in their moratorium ordinance is they added a criteria for determining vested rights to allow applicants to appeal prior to filing lawsuits. So I think that would be an important caveat if we were to pass any sort of moratorium is to adopt very similar language so that people would have this appeal process to determine their rights. Another aspect is this for all new construction. A blanket moratorium is illegal. Because you got to think that a blanket moratorium means no one can pull a roof permit, no one can pull a shed permit, a pool permit. So, you know, we need to understand what is the intent of the moratorium? Is it to update the land development code in the comprehensive plan? Is it to allow for maintenance on the storm water systems? We need to really identify a clear intent in a nexus between what we're putting a pause on for and what we want to accomplish during that timeframe of a year or less. Again, is the moratorium on re-zoning comprehensive plan amendments and annexations? And if that is the intent, then we need to be making those changes to the comprehensive plan in the land development code. Is the moratorium on site plans, preliminary plots, and final plots? Again, what is the intent? So if we stop a subdivision at preliminary plot, basically left with what is known in planning as a zombie subdivision, where they put in all the infrastructure, but they don't have the ability to build the houses. Now, there's several of these developments going through the process right now. You know staff believes based on case law that this would be a temporary taking because a lot of these that are going through the preliminary an RPUD and in that RPUD, all they can do with their property is have single-family homes. And so in essence, if we prevent them from building on it, in the meantime, it would be considered a temporary taking. So there's things I want staff to consider. So is the moratorium for new construction at a floodplain? So this one would have more of a nexus based on flooding concerns. The intent would be to be making improvements to the storm water system and studying how that flood plain works in conjunction with those storm water concerns. Is the moratorium for commercial and industrial? What is the intent of that? Most of these developments that sometimes come to council but are done by the TRC committee are being done by right. They're allowable uses in their zoning district. They engineer their plans. They go through the technical review committee and staff approves them and they go on and get bill. The city council has repeatedly asked for more jobs here in the city. So one thing to note is the former Economic Development Director, Parks and Recreation Director, spent years trying to get space coasts at Park Town Development. They have filed for building permits, two building permits, for one for 115,000 square foot, Class A industrial warehouse, and another for 170,000 class A industrial warehouse. That's going to bring a lot of jobs to the city. There's another business looking, I can't say the name right now, but there is a business actively looking at building a 40,000 square foot expansion to an existing warehouse looking to bring about 50 jobs to the city. So we need to think about, is the moratorium, what is the intent of if we're going to apply it to commercial industrial? How does that relate to what we want to achieve, whether it's a land development code update or a comprehensive plan update? And that's all I have just to give you guys some food for thought as you discuss these topics and trying to craft something that is tailored to an intent with a nexus to what we're trying to achieve. Thank you. How many of you guys are here tonight because you're most concerned about the Volko Road project? I believe that we need to look at this is the most concern with our constituent is we need to look at why that was not held to a higher standard before the storm came in on Saturday. I walked into the middle of the storm. They do have a little small retention area not nearly enough to hold their water capacity and I've seen it from my own two eyes. They're probably water straight into 36th Street. Now whether or not that is permitted or not permitted, I think we need to look at at it see why it happened and is that the proper way to build and maintain. So when that rain fell the prior Saturday they were under active construction down there. We did update our storm water code so we are holding developers to hold the water. So when those ponds burst up at the northern portion there, they did release more water than a typical development because we are now requiring them to hold more water. One possible code change would be to require developers to sod ponds prior to putting in any of the actual infrastructure such as roads, sewer, that sort of stuff to put in the stormwater infrastructure first when they first be getting due to the rainfall and that they weren't stabilized with sod Randy Coslow and I Did get it on a call with an R and they did Promise to sod those two northern ponds prior to next weekend We pressed on them that it was pertinent to get that done prior to if we have a storm So that that does not happen again. But that is an option, Mr. Mayor. I got two questions with that because I wanted this, this was I guess goes to a prior point earlier because I did have some people approach me after we spoke the last time. Is that can we hold them accountable for that happening? And I wanted that to be the because I several people said when we asked that accountable for that happening? And I wanted that to be, because several people said when we asked that earlier that that didn't get addressed, so I wanted to see that address. And then I also, I mean, this is, I guess, just a blanket statement. I know that you're talking about what you said to a NARA. I'm honestly, I just wanted on the record. I'm upset that they're kind of passing a message through you and you look like the bad guy. I'm upset that they didn't come up to explain it. And then so we could ask them questions. Because you're not going to have all the answers. But they should be able to stand up there and take the balls and answer for their own projects. Sorry. But here. they'll be able to sit down up there and, you know, take the balls and answer for their own projects. Sorry, but, Erin. Um. APPLAUSE Certainly if the NAR violated any of the city's ordinances, yes, they could be held liable. If they violated any parts of the land development code, yes, I think that there could be sanctions related to that. I mean, I asked about a strong work order and we're in moving forward on stuff in that, like in the middle of the storm. So I would like, I don't know if that was passed along to you or not, but is that something that we can, I don't know if we can get council direction for that, that we can have you look into that as the lawyer. I can certainly look into that. Is that a consensus? Yes. All right. That's logical. Who else would we have look into? Oh, yeah. But I know we have to legally direct him to do some of the things. So just throwing that out there right now. So everybody knows that that's getting looked at. Yes. Right. What do you want to do here? All these things. And as... What do I want to talk about? We're still talking about that. Okay. You were talking about that. I played it. Now what I wanted to say about that. I think you were talking about that. I think somebody else talking. I think you were talking about that. Thank you. Sorry, somebody else talking. I think you were done. I do want to bring up this is something that didn't have to do. This was another idea that a resident brought up me for different parts of the moratorium in general. Could we also look at adding to it no new PUDs in general? Because I mean, that would also blanket a larger area. I know we can look at that area where we're all concerned about in the Volco project, but if we've looked at also just Because we could because blanketly doing all development like that was my concern as far as so you can't fix your house. The PD. If you want to explain it, a development. That's usually all the neighbor, the housing developments that come in there consider to be like a PUD. That's usually all the neighbor of the housing developments that come in. They are considered to be like a PUD. So a PUD is a planned unit development. It can be mixed use residential industrial. Essentially it assigns a zoning district to that property that is specific to that property. So it allows flexibility and certain aspects, such as, for example, the city of Edgewater has larger lot sizes. So in order to accommodate anything other than a straight zoning district, developers will use a PUD to accomplish a smaller lot size. Staff has always enforced one of the pertinent storm model regulations, those sorts of things But it is a negotiation between the city and the developer to allow flexibility and the design layout Parameters of that zoning district that is bound to that property. So Yeah, so here's my here's my nerve with communities Do you have anything else to add to that? No, I mean, you go. So, I'm going to take you back it off each other. So, here's my nerd with PUDs. From what I understand, I don't know, PUDs sort of started coming around in the 70s and 80s. They were really designed to create, they would, you know, come into communities that didn't have that great of building code at the time where, okay, they didn't have street lights, they didn't have sidewalk requirements. And so what was happening is developers were coming into communities and saying, well, I want to create a better product than what you can offer in your zoning. So I'm going to create my own zoning. So a few days, it's effectively its own zoning outside of city zoning. The problem with that is now they're blank checks. And so we're talking about intent with this moratorium. Like what is the reason that we're doing this? We have to create, in my opinion, I know it sort of eliminates the purpose of a PUD. But I want to create the guideline in the structure and enhance a baseline for PUD. So when they walk in the door, it's no longer a blank check. We have the price right now. So that's part of that. That's one part of that. It's just creating sort of those PUD standards, the structures, those guidelines. For when they come in the door, they already have a baseline to work with. Just throwing out a couple of things as we go through the conversation. Just throwing out a couple things as we go through the conversation, again, intent, we have to be sustainable for the future. So we have this opportunity to get this right. And so we have to through this process, yes, there are short term solutions in terms of immediate solutions to flooding. We're working through that obviously but the long-term solution in terms of our comp plan and early in development code have to be strengthened and updated. You know We have one opportunity to do this and we have to be able to do it in a way that is sustainable for the future. So, updates to the storm, to the land of Elmico, to the comp plan and really doing a comprehensive look at, you know, how can we preserve wetlands, how can we avoid clear cutting, right? Like, how can we do these things that ultimately lead to a sustainable future for edgewater? So that's where I am with it right now. How we mesh all that and play that together is sort of this legal complexity that we're going to have to work out, but that's where I am with it. I agree with what John was saying. I agree with the Zackoye State and you know what is the next generation in the stand-in front of the next council and state like you say all the time and I've stated earlier tonight We need to take care of the problem now we can be an example for all throughout the county and possibly state need to get a hold on this now My concern has always been the watershed I'm very happy that we're getting our stormwater mass plant completed but I agree with exactly what you stated. And to that point mayor, you know, under the mayor's leadership in his direction, we have begun that stormwater master plan. Yes, we all agree to it. But that as we continue to receive data from that, you know, I think my, going back to flooding a little bit. But what I'd like to do is maybe if Jones Edmund could start sharing a little bit of that with us somehow and these solutions, because that evaluates the entire city, obviously. In 2023, we quadrupled the storm water code from a 25 year event to 100 year event. However, that applies to new things. It doesn't apply to the current issue. So anyway, so again, how do we mitigate that? How do we correct that? I know I say that because you talked about how do we work on preserving wetland? I think the best way we preserve them is by stop letting people build on them in general. Yeah. So it's the very first stuff that needs to be there's stuff with prior codes and things that have gone through in the past like I mean, I mean, some of these like that project that I'm concerned about right now, I mean, that past years ago, not a single person sitting up here was part of that one going through. So just I want that out there too. But it's trying to play catch up and fix things that we didn't see coming. I mean, I just, I did like so much of this is new and all this stuff that's just been popping up like daisies and a lot of this was approved back in like 2008, 9, 10, like years ago. And just now we're seeing the effects of it. And I hate it. And I just, I want to see it slow down. And I'm trying to, to word that properly. I'm not crying. So I just, and that's another thing with PUDs. You look through a lot of these old PUD agreements. They run with the land, obviously. There's typically 30-year explorations or they're open-ended. Yeah, it depends on when they were done. Some of them are, if they were done a while ago, they're indefinite. Most of them will run 30-year with the land. So for me, too, moving forward, kind of saying, no, you get 10 years or five or two or whatever. Some of these projects, I mean, I will get calls from residents. And I'm like, you guys did this. And I'm like, no, that mean somebody approved this, like back in, you know, a one. That's, I mean, it's, and it's just now coming up. So a lot of these things that are popping up right now have been pumping down the pike for years. But, you know, I'm scared of this stuff that people haven't even put in for you. And that's where I was asking about the other new PUD thing because at least that was kind of slow. Some new projects for a little bit before. I think anything absolutely halting new applications during within the Moore Tourium. Yes. OK. I agree. We need to look at our infrastructure as well. It's already here. So we kind of agree already that the stormwater system is from the part of what we want to hold for the moratorium. Compliant update, land development code update. There's a few things already that we're in. So immediate stormwater fixes, there's plan updates. And then yeah. Who? Yeah. Is it, now we need to talk, would we like to do residential moratorium or commercial as well or all the new applicants to send guidance to our attorney and our intermanagement? So Aaron, can you speak? More Toriums are mainly guided by state caselo or early state statutes to sort of guide that process or? Right. Well, legal issues to consider are more Toria in land use are supposed to be temporary legislative and active periods during which a local government stops giving some types of permits. So it's important to realize that they are temporary and they should be strictly limited in time to give you as the council the necessary time to you know create and implement a policy to correct the problem that's occurring which in this case is the flooding. So it's important that the moratorium not be too long. If it's too long or there's too many extensions to it That's going to greatly increase the likelihood of a challenge the moratorium and it Could lead to a court finding that the more moratorium is actually a taking under the amendment So it is important that you know, we don't Do anything that would result in a taking of someone's property. Both the Florida Constitution and the United States Constitution prohibit the taking of private property without payment or just compensation. And there's different types of takings. But one is inverse condemnation, where a property owner brings an action against the government claiming an entitlement to just compensation, because some action of the government, such as a regulatory enactment, has infringed on the property physically, or otherwise eliminated or greatly reduced the value or use of the property. So in the new Sumerna ordinances that I've reviewed, they enacted at least two moratoriums. In both of those, do you have a section on determination of vested rights, or denial of all economic use? Those are important sections that I think that the city of Edgwater would need to have in their moratorium because it allows us to, it allows the developer to come to the city and provide substantial, confident evidence on certain factors that would possibly result in a taking. So it allows the city to review those before there's any litigation. And they're required to go through that process and exhaust their administrative remedies before any loss is filed. So those are important provisions that I think we would need to have in our moratorium. To ensure that we don't, you know, nothing that we do results in a taking of our properties. Other considerations are Birch A. Harris claims. That is a Florida statute that was designed to create a remedy for an inordinate burdens on private property created by the application of a law, regulation, or ordinance that don't necessarily rise to the level of a taking. Importantly, under that statute, temporary action of a year or less does not rise to an inordinate burden on property under that statute. So it would be very important that we don't have a moratorium that lasts any longer than a year with extensions. So it's very important that again, that the moratorium only lasts as long as needed for you to develop and implement policy to remedy the harm that's occurring. That's too clear. We could extend it though. So if we have it and we're still not happy with it, even if so, just as for people listening, if we do it tonight and we do it for a short period of time, we can come back in a few months and be like, eh, this isn't working. We want to do it again. Well, right. And of course, you can't do anything tonight because you have to go through the formal process. It has to go to the planted and zoning board and then there has to be two public hearings in front of the council. But yes, looking at the Newsomerner Beach, Mortarian Mortonises 1 for Relating to Venetian Bay was three months in length. And the other that they enacted after Hurricane Ian was for six months, with provisions that it could be extended if necessary. But again, extensions beyond a year could raise a claim under the Burjah Harris Act. I want to a seminar at the Florida League of Cities in the average one in the state of Florida typically lasts from around six months to a year. That's what they stated through that seminar. So I think if there, you know, statutory speaking, if we're able to go up two year without challenge, I want to start there. I think we need the most amount of time that we The time of the more moratorium must be linked to the time needed for you to develop and implement a policy to Remedy the For example, if we're one of the issues is resorted, working on the stormwater system, if we find out what the causes were, maybe it was a breach in the nebulca that added to the umbrella canal that took on all that extra water. Maybe it's the cleaning of the canals and the culverts and all that such thing. If we were able to find that in three months and say, okay, this is AB and C happened. That's why next happened. Then we could three months and we're good to go. We can lift that part of the moratorium. And what if the complaint updates not complete? I mean, is it the moratorium? Then we would just extend it for another month or two while we get the other two things done that we might want to have done the Lee and development code things like that. Right. And so I would recommend that perhaps you limited the moratorium to six months with possible extensions. Please, please no public participation in this time. So I think if we're working on the land development code in the comprehensive plan, we want to prevent any new rezoning complement applications or annexation applications, right? If that is the intent of that. So you've got to link them to make sure that they're making sense. So if the moratorium, you know, as Newsom Bernadette, they did two different moratoriums so that they had, there's an intent and there's the nexus, there's a link between the two. That's also okay, but you got to be able to justify and identify that link between that and the intent. Yeah. And that would go, and I know you said something about something covering some of the rezoning too, because I just, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, they know you talked about some of the rezoning too, because I'm just, I don't want to see more of this agricultural come in trying to go for homes again. And that's, I mean, that's, and was brought up before it's that's a concern. Yeah. So if you prevented any new applications beyond what is in at the time the moratorium has passed for that time frame, staff would then either the council would go out to bid for a land development code rewrite when a comprehensive plan rewrite or ask staff to do it either way. And during that time, people wouldn't be able to apply for those things, then change the comprehensive plan or this over there. And I guess it also goes for the comprehensive plan as far as like, future land use and things like that. I want to sit down and look at some of these, I mean, I'll sit down with you and look at some of these maps to where I mean where things are like I didn't know that that one property that was agriculture it was brought up that it had a future land use map that was incompatible with it and that's what they could challenge us on it I want to make sure that doesn't happen again where it's if it's agriculture it doesn't have some magical future land use for them to come and ask for something else and legally be a glad to ask for. So I mean, can we as far as conversations with the land development cone and zoning, I want to look at some of these agricultural and just make sure that it doesn't have something else randomly attached to it that says they can do something else. And I would like to see some of that state background. So I think tonight, obviously, I think creating the core elements to what the moratorium needs to include. It's the broad, how broad it is and how far it goes. Because obviously this is the first step of the conversation. That just prompted my head and I wanted to go. No, absolutely. And this is the first step of the conversation. So obviously once an ordinance is drafted, then there's a planning and zoning hearing. We have two separate hearings. It's a plan in zoning hearing. We have two separate hearings. You know, it's a process. And so I think right now, I think creating those core elements is critical to be able to move forward to the next step. So I agree. OK. How long will it take you? How long will it take us to get to that point that we had the more point for a land. The requirements we've decided exactly what we wanted to cover. How long will it take to get it where we can actually have it? Are you asking if staff would be doing it or you can contract it out? We're going to do comp plan changes and zoning changes, I would hope that the staff can do that for us. But if you're keeping agricultural property that somebody already owns, and you know, those complications, I guess it's partly legal and partly the codes and stuff. I just want to take the put all together on board. Did you have something to go ahead? No, I was saying, that's just things I would look at. I mean, I don't know. There could be no other properties out there with that. There's certainly other. It's zone for it's one thing now, but then it's got a future land use of something else. So I would like that look that is all in. other it's zone for it's our it's one thing now but then it's got a future land use of something else so there's I would like that look that is all in. Yeah I mean absolutely if we undergo this process it'll be you know very comprehensive whether it's staff who takes it on or it's affirmed that you know we'll look at very broad educate the public what is our ISBA what does that mean? We need to assign future land uses to the areas that are within our ISBA, that are even within our city limits, that may still have county zoning. We need to look at all those things, and then it just slowly gets narrowed down as we get the public feedback. And whether staff does that, now that would be a lot of work for staff. So I will say it will take longer based on what is in the pipeline currently and my staff. I have three members of my staff. That will take staff a long time because you're talking about a minimum of at least eight to 10 public hearings to do a really well public-supported comprehensive plan update. I mean, you need to really engage the public to decide, because the intent here from what I am ascertaining regarding the conversation of PUDs is that we want to know what we want to set the parameters of what we want to see throughout the entire city. And so that when something comes forward, it's not a surprise. It's like a straight zoning. We know what we are expecting in that area. So, 8 to 10 public hearings is 8 to 10 months through the public process. Well, you know, it could be, it could be, yeah, I mean it just depends on how fast. The state, correct me if I'm wrong, the state has to approve our comprehensive plan. Correct. So if we make any adjustments to that, or obviously completely overhaul it, which we're intending on doing, the state now is involved and has to. Yeah, we would have to transmit it to the state for review. And there's a timeline to that as well. Yeah, I mean, if so, it'd have to go to planning. And so when the final documents packaged up, staff would take it, even if staff doesn't write it staff would take it to planning zoning two councils In between the first and second reading it would go to the state for review it would go to VGMC Vulucia County Growth Management it would then come back and Then it would go to City Council first and that's once the new document is developed correct That's obviously not getting us to the moratorium What I want to know is if that's obviously not getting us to the moratorium. So, what, oh, excuse me, I'm sorry. No, go ahead. What I want to know is if we do this moratorium, how long will it take from two nights with us throwing out the ideas till we can actually say we have a moratorium? A PNC hearing, two public hearings. Well, I know, but okay, that's all. That's just that, that's all. That's just that that's on the documents. The ordinance has to be developed. I think what I think what Gigi's asking is how long till we can get to moratorium. Yes, started. Started. Yes. We can have two weeks. I mean, we have to give public notice for certain things. I have to make sure that planning and zoning board can show up there because I'd hate to have a meeting and then I don't have quorum and then I have to restart the public notice process. So I have to, you know, there's steps I have to take, but around that time frame staff would work towards that if that is the directive of council. But just still haven't, we still haven't gotten any comment on time frame. I think it depends on the comp plan. No, no, no, no, I'm talking so we can put the more to him in place. Well, that's what I just addressed. We can have two weeks. Two weeks? By the time I write the ordinance, Monday Tuesday, get, make sure the planning and zoning board can meet on a certain day, give public notice for that, then schedule city council meetings. I mean, mean there's there's got to be due process to it yeah yeah the public hearings have to be advertised so the first public hearing should be held at least seven days after the day that the first advertisement is published and then the second public hearing has to be at least 10 days after the first year. So there's some little bit of time built in the process. So you're talking about a more toym for, we're looking at, I would say a year, just if we're going to do it, I would do a year. Yes, more or less than a year. And we can always extend it. Well, I don't think we can extend it. The year is the most. I was going to say it just. Right. It's very. It's very. Beyond a year. Good result in claims under the Burjay Harris Act. So we would need to be very deliberate and discuss that before. Can. And let me. Let me ask. Council. Here. This more time. Are you want to. are you wanna do it? Lanket across the city? Is that what you're saying? Of course, if we do the comp plan and all that, we almost have to do it. No, because if the concern is flooding, then it would make sense to be limited to the areas that have flooding concerns, which is what News Merne Beach did in theirs. After Ian, they enacted a moratorium for FEMA, FEMA flood zones, A or AE, in the city of News Merne Beach. And then later they did a moratorium relating just to the Venetian Bay area. Because that's where they had real flooding concerns. I guess what I'm trying to understand here is this is more turn would basically because the Florida shores is the ones that's having the worst problem with the flooding Yes, so it would affect the surrounding properties around Florida sure If if that's the council's desire or do you do you just put it four floor to show us? We don't want to put just four to show us. Big right. You would be stupid. Address, right. The runoff from. I think there's two parts here, right? There's one of the moratoriums that you want to consider to give that next is development around floor to show us to address flooding, right? And to, you know, with the intent of increasing maintenance, digging out those ditches, et cetera, et cetera, with that plan. Two is if you wanna redo the land development code in the comprehensive plan, that could apply citywide to compliant amendments, rezoning, to all new applications so that you could then address some of those concerns. Well, so long to ask ask is that can these things be done separately? I mean, can we just, like, and this is new territory here, at least for me. So I just, and I'm not a lot of us too, but can we have them be written as separate things so we can get some of them going? Like if there's a difference between the ones where that's to stop the things that are currently going on and things may be slow things down that are in the works to get things going better but then what could we also even do have it be a separate one that we have an ordinance for that stops the new PUDs? So we could have one for new applications. My concern with stopping existing development is again going back to some of those things is You're basically depriving them of their rights to do that project especially when the only thing they have to some of those projects is simply Residential home. So you are basically taking everything from that property owner because that is what is in the PUD So that would be my concern is that that would be right that could result in a challenge of lawsuit for a taking potentially. So it is a major concern stopping projects that have already been in the approval process. So I do like the idea though about stopping new applicants temporarily. But I am very concerned about stopping projects in the court. Please no public participation at this time there will be citizens comments. Right after the Council discussion is concluded. So actually we're looking at two more to him. I think in order to make sure that there's a clear direct link between what our intents are with each one, yeah we should separate him because then you kind of get it muddied, you really want it to be directly linked to make it more defensible. Well no matter what we do about the more toym, I think that the problem in Florida shores needs to really be addressed now, and it really needs the drainage and canals need to be cleaned out, the culverts. That needs the attention immediately. And if that takes to stop the water from coming in, then we need to take action on that. Well, that's what would happen, correct? So basically. So the legal recourse obviously, with, to Charlottes Point, with edge water preserve, obviously there is a failure. Legal recourse with walking that back is, is what? What do you mean by walking back? I think obviously there's a grave concern with that's damage that's done so and so forth. I think that the point that we're trying to get to is, is there a totality of this isn't going to happen? Or is there not legal ground for that? I think, I don't want to speak for Mr. Wolf, but I think one of the concerns is, so the development is coming before for final plat, right, which would allow them to then subsequently essentially allow them to build and sell the homes. They have met the comprehensive plan in the land development code and their PUD. So if you were to stop them, you know, we haven't done a fact finding as far as staff knows, the ponds, we don't have anything that requires them to sod the ponds first. That would be a code change that we would need to make. So as far as staff knows, they haven't done anything. The city does allow fill. The city approved. It went through a third party engineer. It went through our engineers. It has been thoroughly reviewed, and it meets the land development code as I have testified at the preliminary plan approval when you guys approved it. So I think that is some of the concern is that it meets the code. So what are we denying it for when it meets the current code? I guess because something clearly went wrong with it. So I mean, exactly. We got to be able to do something about it. I mean, I guess they might have had the codes, but things clearly happened. And I know that that's not in you, but I mean, but what can we do to hold the accountable now? Yeah, moving forward. Today, tonight, what can we ask them to do tomorrow that's going to go into a sure that this doesn't happen while they're finishing their fees? Correct. So staff had a conversation with Lennar this morning. You know, they promised to sod the ponds immediately. They said they would prioritize the two northern ponds there. So that is what is it? By next Friday, they said they would have those two northern ponds, the ones that burst, that then flooded that area. Why was that not done before? Was that how the PUD wrote to begin with? No, most of the time, I mean, they're still somewhat clearing and grating out there. They're just putting in, you know, the infrastructure for sewer and water. So those things aren't necessarily done. We don't prescribe when they do X, Y, and Z, as far as the horizontal land development, that's kind of at their discretion as they're typically they clear and grade, and then they start putting in infrastructure. So that is why. It's not prescribed in our code that they have to sod the ponds first. You know, that's... If they're still clearing and grading, can we stop them from the clearing and grading? Because I think the clearing and the grading is a good chunk of what some was causing some of that. I think our problem is, is what can we do to stop them from causing the problem again? From it coming again. I need to learn from what occurred. I know, but we still have to address the issue that that project helped flood the area. So by putting more to them, it's not going to stop them. It can't stop them. And staff's opinion, I think we'd have a legal challenge. Okay. So we can't stop them. And I think the corrective action moving forward would be through the moratorium process actually dictating the steps in the process making sure that the stormwater infrastructure is the first thing that is done if we don't have that legal recourse obviously to walk it back but rather start controlling the process just like with the PUD with the blank checks it's kind of like you know we just kind of signed it and handed it to him we didn't figure it out but in the past it's what happened so again I think it in the PUDs to begin. Again, I think it's creating those standards, I say, we're going to determine how you do it in the safest way possible, with the least amount of, with no damage, with no failures, right? So, yeah. And to protect what we have now, that's the main thing, too. We have to protect what we have now. Is that help anybody? So what's the direction to give to the attorney to help craft the audience with Mr. Solsos in time period, what we need to accomplish exactly as a consensus of the council, to give direction to our new interim, our attorney and Mr. Solz. I would like to, I want council thoughts on this. I would also, because I know it's rubbish rules and all the things, but I would like to have, like, to hear what some of the citizens have to say before we move forward on that because at that way moving forward because we're going to talk about it give direction then people don't come talk about it and what if they don't like what we did I would think we were going to have council comments after that to take the direction of the people but sure we can have some comments I guess that's what I wanted to know what direction people would like to see before we try to give him direction because maybe they throw us an idea that we have a thought that's true But I wanted to hear us get a general consensus here the citizens comments and then rebeach that's okay I do want to bring up one concern and I don't want I'm concerned about doing a blanket So I'm hoping that we don't go in that direction. There are certain areas, especially with commercial, and I don't want to see the commercial that's starting in Port Town to be affected by a moratorium. There's nothing going on, there's no flooding going on there, and I'm afraid, and I'll wait and see what the comments are, but just my personal opinion, I would hate to see things that have started there and maybe we're not able to stop the many-how because they're in that process. I just don't want to stop that progress, bringing this industry and businesses to our city is going to be so helpful. The on the road, once we have these businesses established with jobs, we need industry, we need businesses, so I don't want to discourage them. I don't want businesses to say, oh, we don't want to come there because we don't know what's going to happen. I want them to know that coming here that these places that aren't being affected by flooding, I don't want them to be affected by a mortatorium. That's just my thoughts on it. I guess. Yeah, I don't want to include partial current. I agree. They also would have to be, though, where they want to put it. Because I don't want to see them try to come and build a business on some wetlands. So I mean, also, I'll talk to you on the part down. Talk to you on the part down. And then I do what this is a question for the audience, but there's a lot of faces out there. I don't see. So I also wanted to address if somebody would come up and speak if they were here because people are all, I know I see multiple lawyers out there. I don't know if any of y'all are for that development specifically. So if anybody out there is for that one, I would like you to say something. So if that's something that we could be addressed. I'm just throwing that out there for that Volcker development. If anybody's out there that actually represents that, please speak up about that later because I would like that to come into this conversation. But that's something I wanted to throw out there because I don't recognize a lot of people out there. Sorry. I don't know if we're moving forward to start the public comment already, but that was something I wanted to bring up. Yes, we're going to move forward with public comment at this time. Thank you guys. Mike, one of our 1550 come quite dry. The immediate problem right now, if any of you all been out to umbrella tree at the end of the road stood there and looked at Volko Road, okay, they just took wetlands and when you're standing on an umbrella tree, I can't see over. Okay, that's way too freaking high to start with. When I did go up there, there's not near enough drainage in their ponds to handle the area that they supposedly collect in water end. Okay, the immediate problem that I see is we need to stop with a stop work order Will justify it later it doesn't matter mr. Wolf likes to do his legal mumble jumbo and that's okay. That's his business There is a simpler solution Okay, we are in problem right now We are the citizens you guys work for us. It's not the other way around. The developer does not work for us. He does not work for you. Okay. He's causing a problem. I don't care about his rights. I don't care whether he loses money. I don't give a damn. What I care about is the citizens, and we're losing our houses. We're losing the value of our houses. You know, you lost a couple of them. You lost one. I've lost one. Okay, that's what I care about is our community. I am free-born about this community. That's the reason I moved here, and I've grown to love it since I've been here. Okay, I don't and none of us are against growth and bring in jobs to the community. But if all of our houses are under water, what good are the jobs? All right, it just it doesn't fit. Now as far as things like the vocal road development and the other one you talked about out there, there is a simple solution because this is our city. This is our town. Any major project like that and you can incorporate this into some of your moratorium at a later date is just to simply say, okay, this is the deal. But the deal has to be voted on by the citizens. And if the citizens don't approve it because it's our town, if the citizens don't approve it, then it don't happen. Now, if it's done the way that it's supposed to be done, I've been in construction and building my entire life. I'm a mechanical engineer. Some people say I'm smart, construction and building my entire life. I've mechanical engineer. Some people say I'm smart. Some people think I'm stupid. That's okay. But if it's done the way it's supposed to be done and all the boxes have been checked and all of considerations have been taken, there's no reason the town will not approve something that that is going to be viable to the town Because most people that live in a community Live here because they appreciate it. Thank you sir for your car. They want to see you grow They want to see jobs come. There's nothing wrong with that. So thank you, sir. Anyway, thank you. It's appreciated My name and address again. Yes, ma'am Lisa Delaney 2228 I'm going to be a little bit more about the community. I'm going to be a little bit more about the community. I'm going to be a little bit more about the community. I'm going to be a little bit more about the community. I'm going to be a little bit more about the community. I'm going to be a little bit more about the community. I'm going to be a little bit more and something goes horribly wrong. And I flood the neighbor's house, you all would be putting a stop work order in for act. And then the second thing, you all worry about getting sued from a builder. What do you think's gonna happen when thousands of us citizens get together and sue the city for not protecting our properties? I think that's, I think that's gonna be a lot. I think that's gonna be a lot. The comments only at this time. Okay, I think that's gonna be a lot more financial burden when you all than worrying about what a developer's gonna do. And I just don't understand why it takes so long to make them stop building when they're causing damage to our property. Where are our rights? We need to have rights. You all need to stand up for our rights. Because if not, this is, I don't think most of us are going to back down this time. We've backed down over water bills and plenty of other things. You know, I can't speak for everybody else, but I can tell you, I'm not backing down from me. I'm not backing down from this. I'm like I said before, going to do whatever it takes. Thank you, ma'am, for your comments. It's appreciated. Thank you. Mary Ann Cerniac, 1750 Persimmon Circle. I think you guys are trying to deal with too much altogether. You guys need to chunk this down. You have an immediate problem in Florida shores. And something immediately has to be done about them. And those solutions are different than the solutions that have to go out there to prevent this happening, which is obviously some of these have been brewing for a very long time. And my guess is, some are brewing right now that we're just waiting to have this. So it may be an answer of two more Toriums, at least one for Florida shores work until you get your arms around that, resolve those issues, take care of whatever you have to do in terms of maintenance and whatever else. And also a longer term that didn't even include those that are in the pipeline because you do not want to have this happen again. Imagine how everybody's going to feel if you end up with this same problem that you're trying to solve right now because you didn't do your homework and you didn't stop things that were about to land on us. So it's a case of how big a scope, chunk it down, a longer term of moratorium on those for prevention, and that's including everything beyond today. And then the immediate one probably takes a shorter term moratorium for Florida shores dealing specifically with that developer. Thank you. Hey, he may I'm for your comment. You guys again, real quick. I just want to make a suggestion. This is a statement address real quick on On Dr. Arrow, online tree, this is so much about me is more about how our ecosystem is actually working and what kind of disturbs me that a lot of these canals are just kind of open space. A lot of the trees that used to be there that did suck up water, they either fell down into the ponds or they just basically died. Something we forgot is that trees are one of the main sources that actually help absorb water even cactuses. And we got to look at what's called an aquatic water system management when it comes to our plants. And one of the things you can look into is something called a cypress, a bald cypress. All right, if you all know about the general and you know the history of it, that tree was about 35, 300 years old and his lifetime is stuck up about 28 million gallons of water. An adult sized cypress tree could hold up to almost 8,000 gallons of water a year, depending on how much it wants to suck up. But the thing is, we see these ponds and we see these ponds come in and get sprayed with these chemicals and all these water plants and lilies and stuff end up dying. Well, guess what? They suck up water too. So we're kind of like killing ourselves with double-edged swords and not realizing it. And the thing is, if you're gonna have any type of growth, you gotta have an agricultural system that's properly in works. And I see it all the time, you got a lot of space out there. These cypress trees, ball cypress trees give a lot of big area of shade. Plus they also help break up wind, They're not going to fall down because that tree is a Florida. It's forward or strong when it comes to the storms. But more importantly, these trees are affordable. And you're looking at about a six foot tree running about about $200. And then pretty much double from there these depend on the adult size. These trees get up to about 30 to 45, 40 feet. And again, 8,000 gallons of tree. and then you took pretty much double from there and these depend on the adult size. These trees get up to about 30 to 45 feet and again, 8,000 gallons of tree water. So just take that in consideration that maybe we could also do something and put some of these trees back. Okay, and these trees can be planted around ponds. It's not gonna affect them. And then the kids have somewhere to go underneath the shade. Founders got somewhere to go to sit with the dog. Read a book. But I see these canals and these canals don't have any type of environmental care around them. That's a fact. Thank you, sir, for your comment. It's appreciated. APPLAUSE Jeffrey Bohr, 3504, Umbrella Tree. I'm going to go to the library. Jeffrey Boer, 35.04. I've been here. This is my third meeting now in about nine days. I was at the planning and zoning meeting on 9.11. And at the time I was addressing the development how I thought it was being built up too high. I was concerned about where that water was going to go since it was on a wet line and I was told at that time that the planning and zoning board development here with the city everybody had looked at it everything had been approved the developer had even made extra, retain a geria available so that there was more places for the water to go, and that they had designed it for a hundred-year storm. Well, three days later, we had a storm that flooded. It didn't take a hundred years. And it was only five to six inches of water, and Ian, when it went through, was only five to six inches of water and Ian when it went through was like 19 to 21. So that would be a hundred years storm possibly but not a six inch rain storm three days after the meeting. So the other thing I brought up at the time was I had a house being constructed in DeBerry in Saxon Woods and in 2004 when the hurricanes went through, it was the time that it happened. Their retained ponds on that property overflowed. They had into the, I think it was Saxon Villa, the golf course. At that time, it was mainly because they had an overflow system on the ponds, and that overflow system was not built sufficiently large enough to convey all that water somewhere. So that was a concern, and I brought that up at the time. And that's the concern I have now with this one, is again, we were told these retainage ponds were like extra large hold all this water and I'm not sure from what I'm hearing we're talking about some sod I think maybe some lining should be done I haven't heard anything about any sort of vote overflow system and if so where does that water from the overflow system go it it should have a place. I mean, it should be designated that that water goes somewhere and we need to determine where that's going to be because what I understand is it shouldn't even be leaving the properties. So that's pretty much it. I would like to see that you do do the moratorium. I'd like you to look into making it as long as you can that solves these problems. And if that materials and design is not there, make sure it is before they're allowed to start again. Thank you sir for your comment. It's appreciated. Pamela Jordan, 32, 28, travelers, Palm, and also property at 39, 59, Willow Brook Drive. As I said before, we have dealt with a lot of our homes over the last two to three years ever since they started Phase One. I'm reiterating everything that everyone is saying. But and I know you all understand the problem. But I was really hoping tonight that we would at least get something that we could grab onto for today of what can be done as putting sod. Putting sod, that's just a joke. I have literally dealt mostly my husband but now I'm kind of dealing with everything now. Mostly my husband had to deal with Lennard and they fly to us several times about different things on our five acre property over there. So I'm just hoping that there can be something that we can hang on to tonight to help us. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am, for your comments. It's appreciated. Good evening. I'm Ashley Alpogade. I live at 3422 Woodland Drive at South West Corner of the Shore specifically. I've had my house on Woodland Drive for well over 20 years. I want to share the extent of what this flooding was, because I don't think that that's truly been discussed. It was more than a mile in length from 35th to 30th and beyond. It was more than five to six streets wide from east to west. This was a hundred-year flood event that should not have occurred, and it is solely due to the elevation of that land. That is unacceptable. east to west. This was a hundred-year flood event that should not have occurred, and it is solely due to the elevation of that land. That is unacceptable. In addition to that, there was a failure to do proper previous flooding, which resulted in piss-poor performance. Let's be honest. The land was evaluated, the studies were done? No. It was poorly done. And that's unacceptable for your community. Furthermore, having them have a requirement or whatever to have this fixed in their ponds by fixed Friday, next weekend, whatever, we're looking at a tropical event as early as Wednesday. So once again, we're going to be reactive versus proactive. Not OK. When does it stop? So once again, we're going to be reactive versus proactive. Not okay. When does it stop? It's unacceptable. It cannot continue to build like this. They also have to be responsible for their own storm water management and cannot contribute to a 30, 40-year canal system that was not built to sustain the amount of building that we're doing. It's not okay. They need to manage it themselves and it can't be done, then they don't get to build. I think you guys should also look at imminent domain and reach out to the federal government, the state and everything else on what it would take to be able to buy the Liam back. Scoop it out, put it back down to the level that it was, and put the 495 trees that were clear cut, or 495 acres of trees that were clear cut back in, because every one of those trees, and are natural pines, are about 11,000 gallons a year of soak up. Where is that water going now? So there's many things that need to be taken into consideration that we're not. I am not an engineer. In the second I heard the cutting happening, I went, I looked at my husband, I went, well guys we're flooding now. And here we are. It's not rocket science. It's common sense. That's all I got. Thank you for your comment, ma'am. It's appreciated. Haley Vezza, 1530, stable palm drive, edgewater. I know this is all new territory for most of the people here. So these are more just questions that I had for council to maybe ask your advisor. I don't need answers on them. I hear a maximum moratorium without liability is 12 months, but can we modify a moratorium on things to include over certain price ranges on basic improvements? That would exclude such things like roof, water heaters, maybe $50,000 cap on that so that people that are maybe affected by flooding, if they do flood in the meantime, they could go get the permits to fix those. If we do a moratorium and they're included in the area we're studying and we're looking at, then I just worry they wouldn't be able to fix their homes or put them back in place. And we did actually, I think we waved permitting after the hurricanes last time for people that were affected by flooding. Maybe all of a state I'm not sure. But maybe something like that could be in place. So we can put a moratorium where we want, but our citizens don't suffer as a result. They're already suffering enough. Someone mentioned hyperfocus earlier. I worry that hyperfocus moratoriums could exclude other problem areas than the shores. Like we had somebody mentioned Palmetto it seems a flooded area has changed since Ian if we focus on one area and then we get another rainstorm and then are we either going to put another moratorium in or would that still kind of incumbent what happens if during a moratorium we realize that the current guidelines and standards aren't sufficient so 50 homes per whatever this lot is and then we're like oh maybe we shouldn't build we need more drainage in that area are we liable if we decrease the amount of homes per whatever this lot is and then we're like, oh, maybe we shouldn't build we need more drainage in that area. Are we liable if we decrease the amount of homes per property that we've already approved? What does that look like? Again, this has already been mentioned, but if developers want to sue us, why can't the citizens or city representatives or residents sue them for the levy or the dam break? New business owners and people, Debbie, I know this is really big. Your heart is like mine and businesses. But we deal with a lot of people that are moving here and business stuff, the flooding scares people. I mean, that's the biggest noise we hear. So I think moratorium is a short term concern, whereas businesses, really, they just want to know that when they go home at night from their business, their house isn't gonna fly their businesses isn't enough light so Mortarium is short term gain to a long term you know possible resolve that you know it'd be worth it you know short term sacrifice and Can we do a 12-month Mortarium take a break maybe reinstate whatever building development is allowed and then put in another 12-month Mortarium if we take a break between the two 12 months, are we still as liable? So that's pretty much all my questions. I want to say thank you guys all for working together. I know this is like, you guys have been under so much fire, but I know you're all working really hard on this, and I just want to tell you that we appreciate you. Thank you, man, for your comment. It's appreciated. I'm Amanda Bullard, 1417 Needlepom. Mostly just a comment or an idea on the moratorium. So the representative that was saying that we could use his equipment, I know we were talking about very short-term moratorium, just for the shores at least. Could we just stop like a work order stop while they use their equipment to dig out all of our ditches, clean out the canals, you know, especially under the driveways, all of those are built all the way up. There is, you can't see, I walk my kids all the time, and we like to talk through them. And there's only like three in like eight streets in the shores that we can talk through. They're all filled all the way up. But yeah, really just they offered to use their equipment. I think to so we don't maybe push legal action. So I think we should really take advantage. And I think the plans are great, but we're planning to plan. and we have a big event coming this week. So what are we doing like right now? And I know we have something set up for tomorrow and I think it's beautiful that the citizens are getting together and doing this like grassroots. But we've already paid for this and it hasn't been done and I've lived in my house for 10 years and no one has ever come to dig out anything my husband has I have but no one else has and we walk the canals and they Moe the sides and it all falls in and it clogs the canals that are not as long or not as wide as these weeds are long after Buy monthly moeings. So yeah, just I think we're I think the plans are great, but what are we going to do right now, right now, tomorrow morning? This not just community led that, yeah, we've already paid for it and it has to get done. And yeah, I'm just nervous, you know, for what's coming our entire street flooded during Ian and two foot two on our street flooded this week, this past weekend. And that was 23 inches versus seven. And it's just really scary. And I appreciate you all, you guys being here. And I love the plans and I'm gonna keep showing up. And thank you guys. Thank you for your comment, man. Let's appreciate it. I do want to ask something real quick, and I want Sarge, I don't know if the public comment, but I did, but can we also have, Mr. Thurman, would you or Randy or somebody do explain to us what's all currently, like after this public comment, we move forward on other things, what's being worked on right now, so people know what's out there actually being done as we speak. We speak like I know you guys were out there doing some stuff today and not everybody sees where everything is We've got so many machines and so many people just so we get kind of an update on that that everyone can hear I just wanted to throw that out there. Okay, so I'm done Mara on Mara on the bus 1868 pine tree drive I've heard that Maraium does not impact the ongoing construction, so I wanted to offer my thoughts to my background to civil engineering and I feel for your engineering department in this situation. Just my thoughts through the council for their consideration. I understand that the design followed the code and they haven't done anything against the design per gentleman or those speaking. Typically, the means and methods are left up to the contractor. The sequence of operations is also left up to the contractor. So it is their sequence of operation that they choose and the means and methods that they choose would a construction contractor or a competent engineer had expected this on to fail under heavy rain and dump water on the surrounding neighborhood. I feel like we're at the mercy of their kindness that they said okay we will do the the sod but maybe there is more than more than that it's their work that resulted in this water being dumped on the surrounding neighbor. Thank you. Thank you for your comment. It's appreciated. Hi, my name is Betty Beard. My address is 203 Wildwood Drive. I wanted to come up mainly because there was a comment made that Park Avenue was't affected by the flooding. I know I'm not directly on Park Avenue, but I am in the Wildwood subdivision and when Ian came through, I did flood throughout my whole house. And this past Saturday, the water receded, my ditch and was halfway up my yard. So there is a still concern there. And then throughout Wildwood, there is water laying over the roads anytime we get a heavy rain. and then throughout Wildwood there is water laying over the roads anytime we get a heavy rain but also in a industrial park the company that I work for also did flood we had water coming the building multiple times so there is still concern back there. Thank you. Don't make David, 1201 Bond Street. I hear a lot of talk about auditors and doing a moratorium. And you guys keep on mentioning that and GG, I believe that you pointed that out. But I just want to bring to your attention and remind you that there are some areas, gaslight subdivision is two streets, Bond and Regent. We are surrounded by Florida stores on all four sides. So keep that in mind when you're looking at a moratorium that places like that need to be included as well because we get that shed. The other thing possibly let's look at maybe limiting the grade of the new builds because all of our builds that are being done that are creating the problems are being built here. Our original surrounding areas are here. We can put limits on that. It's been done in other places. Thank you. Thank you for your comment, ma'am. Hello, Patrick Fisher, 2100 year apart room. I fully support a building moratorium on all applications current pending and all new applications for development in the city of Edgewater while you fixed the comp plans future land use and zoning. Until then, you do have your vote. Each of you can just say no to count plant amendments, rezoning changes, and large scale PUDs and BPUDs. You can say no to the suits from the scorched earth law firms that come in here. Tell you how good their projects are for the community. A little impact they'll have on the environment, in a surrounding area, how they diterize, cross your T's, check the boxes, tell you they met code, but the code's flawed and you know it. I agree with Mr. Rainburn's comment, he made Monday night. They come in here feeding the board and counsel misinformation. So let him try to sue to see. This counsel should have the support of the residents needed should have lost it be brought. We as residents must also understand that a fight against developers will come at a cost. However, it's money well spent to protect a residence and surrounding neighborhoods that make up our community. We all heard great advice Monday night from the former and current chairs at the Volusia soil and water district and the Volusia County Council chair. Stop clear cutting land for development, change and strengthen core policies and laws, prohibit wet land mitigation, maintain a hydrological flow of the land, work with the county for support and assistance they've offered. Look within yourselves staff and processes to set new standards for the state. I fully agree with the assessment of the current situation and their advice to course correct. I urge you to approve a comprehensive building moratorium while you focus your efforts on affecting meaningful changes to the codes that ensure future growth occurs in a thoughtful and sustainable manner. Thank you. Thank you sir for your comments. It's appreciated. Before you start my time ask if they're city employees or not. The court reporters here are the city employees or they private before I saw. They're not city employees. I didn't think so. Hey, my name's Greg Gimbert. I'm one of them gosh, I'm out of town with a long term agenda. I was here Monday night. Whatever was the last meeting. And I said if you did a couple three or four things, you could stop the bleeding. I just stopped the flooding but stopped the bleeding. So we should do a moratorium on building, we should do a moratorium on clear, clear, clear cutting, we should stop building on wetlands and we should stop allowing to change the slope of the grade, whether it's a wetland or not. Those are things we should all look at, but we cannot rush down the hill. Y'all know the joke about the young calendar, old Cal. I was so mad when I watched one of your staff, it appeared to me like they just walked out here and they put y'all like five goats on a rope and asked you to incriminate yourself in front of these court reporters. And I wanted to scream, I'm blowing my three minutes. I thought I was gonna talk about the policies and the things I thought y'all to have in this amendment or this moratorium. So I'll just get to the point because I'm gonna be out of time. Your staff is owned by developers. Anybody who says you can't do that and stops is not on your side. Anybody says you can't do it that way. Let me show you is on your side. And we've heard clearly which ones up till now. I'll show you the way. You cannot rush. You have two time tables going on. You have the moment you start this moratorium and expires and you have 100 days between when some old laws expire and the legislature reneconvince to put them back on you. So you have two time frames going on. I would encourage you to pass a six month moratorium on and floor the shores, but so you'll hurry up and do something there because they can't wait a year for you to get around it. That's more Torium number one. And you don't do it to change the comp plan. You do it to declare a state of emergency. To declare a state of emergency tonight. That is going to open the door for something more than a maintenance moratorium. There are people here who have sent you lots of letters and a lot of phone calls that said just do a maintenance moratorium. We'll keep it local. We'll keep it affordable. The good old boys will help from down the street in the county council and don't tell the state and for God's sakes, don't get the fed in. They might shut the whole thing down and make you stop. That's exactly against you or then we just have a resource. It's this thing hasn't been done right since 1990. We heard it now. We need the Army Corps engineers to come in here and do a new thing. And if the state won't pay for it, I bet Kamali well, they're fighting over the country right now. Let's get them fighting over us. OK? I'd love to see Ron Desantis and all of them come down here, rotten to the rest of you with machinery to help you. But tonight, if you will just pass a moratorium, representatives from the legal community want you to pass a maintenance moratorium. I'm running out of time, and if you do that, you'll only be able to maintain. If you pass, that's not y'all's decision, that's up to the council. Thank you, though. I'm counting. Council, thank you. Thank you. May I continue? Continue commenting. Thank you. So if you just start with the six month moratorium on development first, and I don't mean just impervious services, I mean everything in Florida shores, and everything at the top of the hills around it, the drains down into it, not just the neighborhood. On this thing, I did not put a map. I said, you only need to create one. Don't let somebody choose it for you. You need to get with the locals. What I heard Monday night was the water's going the wrong way. So all these developments that are in the works are based on engineering that is suspected faulty because we all just saw it fail less week. So to say that this stuff is in the works is okay, is not correct to say that we have to honor that is not correct. But if you start this moratorium saying I'm looking to change the comp plan, I've got preconceived notions, they're going to see you right out the rip. So I'm going to tell you right now control out the leak, clear your minds and let's start this again. Let's talk about a moratorium on an emergency declaration of life health and safety and we're going to have a moratorium that says, no development until we clean this thing, soup the nuts, we have the state study it, we identify proper capacity, compare that against the current load, and then we have real information of whether we should or could change the comp plan. Then we talk about that. If you talk about it before, you're gonna read these ladies' writings, and court your name's going to be on it. So do not pass a moratorium that's comp plan focus. But if you do the moratorium my way, if you don't pass the skinny one that's maintenance only, you do a maintenance moratorium. Not new construction is based on maintenance, but it's also an emergency. So when you do your moratorium, we need to include a lot of this in it because you don't want to get halfway to vacation and realize you left your most important things at home because you did a skinny moratorium. May I continue? There's more to it but I don't want to overstep my bounds. There's a lot more to it guys. I like to continue. Continue. Thank you a lot of time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So let's pretend I was your city manager. I'm not trying to be. I don't even play one on TV. But let's pretend I was. I tell you to start. The Glenn storage maintenance moratorium with all my ornaments hung on that Christmas tree. And you send it to your staff to write it. And there's two more meetings left, and they're going to fight like hell to get all this stuff out of there. But if you don't put it in tonight, you're going to be fighting the next two meetings to put it in. So let me tell you about how this serves developers or residents. I'm giving you the tool to make changes. It's how you all use it and how you all let them come next. So let me tell you what I mean about your options. Let's do this study. We think it's going to come back short of capacity. Then what do we do? Do we build new capacity into the system? So we can keep building? Well, maybe everybody wants to keep building. If we could just be safe from flooding, where is that money going to come from? Not from them. They want to keep it local. Shh, don't tell everybody. The feds will come mess it up. But if we're going to really fix it, we want other people to pay for it. We got a brand new city manager, we got a brand new mayor, nobody up there is responsible. You can put your hands on, go man, we screwed up and eat your broccoli and get the help you need. Because if you don't do it right, you all you'll be able to do is mow the grass and your work toryums over and the rain stopped and you can kick it down, it wrote another year and next year the legislature is going to preempt even more now like what like saving you from the wetlands So once you have this declared the state of emergency and you clean it out real quick Because you only got six months and you have the study and the study comes back and says man You're out of balance then and not until then do you have a basis to come back and start talking about the comp plan? If you speak about it before then they're going to have your butt. Your staff has sold out to developers. The ones you had and the one you got. Thank you for allowing me to talk. Thank you for your comment. I also have a present for you if I may approach. You earned it. Thank you for your comment. Mayor I just texted you my address. It's confidential and exempt for former law enforcement. I just want to come here just so your residents know that I think. You're just going to say your name. I'm sorry Mark Dickinson I Think you've as council or whoever's doing this is back to your residents into a lawsuit You don't bring court reporters. They're probably 400 an hour or more after they get their transcripts done You have a lawsuit impending for your residents. So in the future, as Mr. Gimber said right there, he has the plan. Read it. Look at it. What you need to know is in the future, when you let these people build these places like this, you have the lawsuit for the residents, for their flooding, you have them for preventing them from continuing their work. They're not here for fun. They're here. When you slap that gavill say, hey, we're going to vote on this. I guarantee your paperwork is already drafted. Let your residents in the future listen to them. Make sure you listen to them because they seem to know what's right and these guys are going to sue whoever it is. So thank you. Thank you, sir, for your comment. Thank you. I have Gina Holt, 1798, Hideaway Lane. Seeing Glenn's short show up is kind of like having Jim Cantor in town. Everybody knows something awful is going to happen. I thought this man, when he was representing Oak Leaf Preserve, by the way, I'd like to know was representing Oak Leaf Preserve. By the way, I'd like to know where the Oak Leaf is if they preserved. That's an abomination. It has caused a lot of problems for this city. It flooded everybody out after Ian. I don't want to talk about him anymore. The flaw in your drainage plans is you're counting on flowing down to the river or flowing out to the river. And it seems to me most of the big problems that we had happened when the river was high and things weren't able to drain. We've got to think out of the box. We've got to stop with non-permeable surfaces. We have to stop removing the wetlands from for the developments. The wetlands are our flood control. I have so many notes here. My brain is such chaos. It's been a great evening. I think Mr. Gilbert said everything that we needed to say. I do want to say this for the, if you were to review an amend the complaint, I would suggest that you appoint some sort of a committee. I'd like to see lay people, people that are not development as well as development. You have to have a nice balance of people bringing their ideas. We certainly don't, I don't know how well staff could do it and still do all their other jobs, but I think it's really important to think who is going to do that job. And I will stress again, we have virtually no public conveyance of stormwater anywhere in this county. This county has relied on mosquito ditches that were built 50 and 60 years ago. That is the public conveyance. That is an atrocity. That is that is just a shame. You need to probably build some public conveyance and not rely on the developments continuing to dump into those little bit of thing. And can we shrink the developments? Is there some reason that they have to be so big and so catastrophic for the environment? I think that's what everybody is seeing happen after all these years. Y'all have heard all this. Don't need to say anymore, but I just wanted to welcome Mr. Stewart Stewart community. Thank you, ma'am, for your comment. It's appreciated. Mary Forrester, 1937, Edgewater Canal Road. Not an Edgewater, but Edgewater comes to me. There's a couple of things I want to bring up. One of them, everybody's raising the land, and some of the land is raised so that when you stand on that property, you are looking at the rooftops of what is surrounding it. Gravity, you can't defy. It's going to go down. And I'm talking about there's no oak leaf preserves because that's the one that affects me at affects Elizabeth Street James Street Pearl Street. It affects all of them. They all lost their homes. My street doesn't but I still got 42 inches of water. Why not talk to the developers about raising the houses, stilt houses, some type of, there's a stilt condominium complex on the beach. Grants were just given to people that live on South Peninsula and other properties on beach side to help them raise their properties. That's why you now see some of the lower houses that were put up on bricks. What's wrong with that? That's everybody doesn't need to be on the ground. We're in Florida. If you're going to build on a perfect example of a referral that your department made that went here that made absolutely no sense to me. And I went to the Planning Commission and so did about 12 of my neighbors. The only person that spoke positive about 22 acres that is directly across the street from me, was the couple that was considering buying it. All of us exactly said this property, which is 1575 Massey Road, does not have one edge water road that it can access. It's bordered by Massey and it's bordered by Gateway, which is a private road. They could get access to edge water canal, but again, you have a private road. So yeah, you could annex that in, but then you're relying on the county to maintain all of the roads around it. That makes no sense to me. There's no edgewater utilities there. I don't believe. Yeah, why annex that in? It's zone to ag county right now. If it goes into edgewater, guess what? It's going to be zone, ag county. When we talk to them outside after the meeting, you to be zoned? Ag County. When we talk to them outside after the meeting, you know why they wanted to zone in because we will get it done so much quicker and it will be so much easier to get approval from edgewater. Thank you, ma'am, for your comment. It's appreciated. Mm-hmm. Applause. I'm going to go ahead and get the staff. Thank you. For the record, my name is Glenn Storch. I represent the owners of Durin Park and Durin Park center. During Park center. During Park center. During Park center. Hi. For the records, my name is Glenn Storch and I represent the interests of Durin Park, North and Dururing Park Center. And what my clients want to know at this point, of course, is whether or not you intend to prevent their use of their land. Because at this point, as you know, we have put millions and millions of dollars into planning this area. Based on what you wanted, we have placed, we have created a park that will, a wet unpark that will actually create, take the affluent that you're putting into the mosquito goon and putting it out where we are for free. We paid, we're paying for the entire thing with grants and with our land. On top of that we have contributed 45,000 acres in conservation easements 10 years ago and are placing another I placed another 3700 acres in reliance on our zoning and our our comp plan and everything else we've done and all of our permits I put another 3700 3700 acres in edgewater in conservation today. Recorded that today. We're going to have a big party to celebrate the fact that we're preserving all this land. It is millions of dollars. Please no public comment. It is millions of dollars that we have contributed to the city of edge water at this point. We have put in multi millions of dollars in planning this and getting every single permit required. Complands, zonings, St. John's permits, every permit is required. Grading permits, everything we have right now. And so if you're intent, again, and I should point out, our property, and we've given you a letter dated to September 19th, 2024, with all the evidence, with all the maps showing that our property does not in any way shape or form impact floor to shores, that all of the floods, all of the flood areas go away from floor to shores. Floor to shores has a totally separate basin. There is no basis whatsoever for a moratorium on Deering Park or Deering Park Center. And as the Eurotruthi Attorney has indicated to you, this is vested. Not to mention the fact there is no legal basis for this. But if, again, my goal was not to do that. My goal was to try to find solutions to help, especially to help Florida shores. I heard Greg just now talk about the fact that we need to go in and get Army Corps and we need to get everything else and redesign everything. That's literally years. These people will be flooded for years if you do that. Because honestly, the only way to do this quickly is to do this under a maintenance grant. That's what I've talked about. The fact that and I told him, you need to you're welcome. It's uh ma'am I'm sorry you've already had your time to comment at this time. We are going to say something anyway. Do not let this man gaslight you. Please. Thank you for your comment. Evoca 3431 victory palm drive. What he has to say is great, but I think it's a bunch of crap. Are they willing to put up $20 million to pay for people's flooded houses and don't tell me it's not affecting I will address the council. Please address the council right there if floods there's no doubt waters poor and odd it are like crazy moratorium I'm for it now I understand growth commercial I've been construction for almost 40 years. Okay, for warehouses, they're gonna bring jobs. But when you're sticking two, three, four hundred homes in one little area, that's garbage. That's gonna cause problems. You're taking away wetlands there. Don't care where you put them somewhere else. It's taking away to wetlands right there that it's sucking up the water that's got. Going in our streets. To me, it seems like an easy thing. I'm for fighting them. I hope you're for fighting them. It sounds like everybody in this room is for fighting them. And that's what it needs to be done. Sorry, but that's my opinion. Thank you, sir, for your comment and that's what it needs to be done sorry but that's my opinion. Thank you sir for your comment it's appreciated. I'm going to go ahead and the engineer for Deering Park and during Park North and during Park Center. What I wanted to do today is kind of highlight some of the things that we're doing in Deering Park. You know, as we work with the city, we've worked with other agencies. We really want that community to be something that the city can be proud of. A lot of talk has been done. I've sat in some of the things with Flusha County and some of the other stakeholders in the area about low impact development. We're instituting a lot of that stuff in Deering Park so that as Deering Park is being developed, it can be not only something that the city can be proud of, it's a region can be proud of and the state can be proud of. But I've got to appear in front of you guys here in the map just to help kind of understand Deering Park, it's proximity to the area so we can kind of understand some of the facts around it During park being on the west side of I-95 it discharges Our will discharge through a little canal called little Cal Creek and across two culverts that currently exist across I-95 We study those culverts. We started the drainage that's going in there. We understand what's going in there We're going to retain back and we're we've committed and we've already gotten through permits to provide additional stormwater management as required by code. As a way to begin be good stewards of the environment. Little Cal Creek is connected to Turnbull Hammock, Turnbull Swamp and that goes down south into the North Indian River of the Gune. As you look at some of the other areas in the city and has been studied as by the city a few times over the years, most of the Florida shores and neighborhood and kind of everything north of Volco Road makes this way north into the 18th Streets Canal and so what we find is that most of old edge water is going north into that area. Whereas what we're trying to do is make sure that from our drainage, we're taking it south. Some other things that we're doing, kind of on, I know, Mr. Storch gave a little bit of some of the things, but just some ideas and things that we've worked with and we've are currently under design on. The interchange at 442 has some pretty severe flooding. And what we're currently under design doing is coming up with a storm more solution that can provide attenuation and storm water management for the interchange. It's a vital piece of the city of Edgewater. And as stewards of Edgewater, we want that to be able to operate in extreme conditions. And so by providing that to the city, which really is outside of the limits of our, of the development, you know, again, it's all part of the success that they're trying to be, and again, to be a shining example for what the city can take on. Thank you for your comment. Greg Matthews 2825 victory palm drive. Okay, I appreciate your progress and development. I see your point of view, but it's still wrong. What we got going on here is the destruction of our wetlands. We need a moratorium in place. We need to listen to the people that are experiencing the problems. Not worrying about the future growth and the future overload of our current non-stormed drain system that we have not in edge water shores of Florida. We don't have a drainage system. They said so tonight. You guys don't have a stormed drain system yet it's on our bill. We got to pay for this storm drain. Where's that money going? Again, it's about a money trail. They got all this money tied up in development and they said that they've made all the criteria. They've got all the proper documents and approval and they've met all the codes. Yet we're still flooding. How did that happen? How does it happen that everything was approved? Yet we're still flooding. I don't understand it. Neither does anybody else here or other the people that are already left. We're all confused about what direction this is moving. And it's not moving fast enough. You need to do like Greg suggested and declare a state of emergency. This is an emergency. Come Wednesday. You're only going to be here and at all over again. It's going to be another bumble for lack of better words. It's gonna be a mess. Three days away, maybe four days away, and then what's gonna happen when the next storm comes? All we're doing is negotiating, but we're not doing anything. This has to be addressed immediately. You need to put an emergency clause in effect right now to stop all growth right now, because it's just gonna get worse. Nothing is changing. Nothing at all. We have to make the change. You all inherited this. Some of you. Others have not had a chance to fix it. Now is your chance to fix it. Do the right thing. Put a more toym on everything right now. For the whole city, they got flooding on the north side, flooding on the south side you got canals that don't move because they're so full of junk and dead brush that there's no flow you've taken a four foot ditch and you've got twenty two inches of flow on it wow it's a waste of space you don't have the drainage for the shores they need your help and they need it now and i'd appreciate it if you all would come together and put a stop to this growth until they can address what's wrong with the codes that aren't working and get these flood waters to get out of the homes, you're destroying people's lives, you're destroying their homes, you're costing them money they don't have. And we're working on borrowed money I understand from the government here is we got a past this 14 million dollars that was given to Edgewater has all been funneled to these cat canals well that might be true what about the rest of the city what about the biggest town in Edgewater what about it I think you guys have your work cut out for you but I pray the good Lord will intervene and that we get this rectified quickly thank you sir, sir, for your comments. It's appreciated. Jamie Porter, 1804, stable palm. I just kind of, I guess, more have a question or if Glen storage wants to come up here, he keeps saying he's here for Deering Park. But on the city website, it looks like he's also the contact and the lawyer for Edgewater Preserve, which is off of Valkow Road. So he may have a little bit more of insight of what's going on with Lanar and maybe what they're willing to do for the citizens since Deering Park is willing to help so much. Maybe Lanar is going to be also held your comment. It's appreciated. Ken Romer, 518 Seagull Court, Edgewater, Florida. It will change the pace a little bit that it's talking storm surge. When you put in this other kind of thing, how much traffic we're going to get? How much is that going to back up? 95, I hear people say, although just run down 95 if they work at the space center, they'll probably take 4, 4, 2, go down route 1 so they can go through the north gate. So how will that impact that? How will all those cars be front? Do we have enough infrastructure with car repair places for all these new cars and things like that? There's a whole lot of other things. Storm Surge is obviously extremely important, but when we look at this stuff, how are you going to add all these thousands of people in thousands of homes and do you have the infrastructure to support that? I encourage you all to look at that community planning thing that I've passed out to. I don't have answers for it, but to start to look at what to ask for. Thank you. Thank you Thank you sir for your comment. It's appreciated They were 14 or 4 mango tree drive All right, touch on this suit from O or landau 442 overpass No eyes low because they couldn't raise the bridge they didn't pay for it. They dug it down because it was supposed to be 142 clearance. So it's 141.5. That's addressed to council this time. Sorry. So money bags for my record. This is not Orlando. What says water? What's floor shores? Sober? This is not a big dare park. I'm gonna go in, screw everyone else. All these animals are gonna come over here. Where are they gonna go? And there's a lot of wetland over there. So these guys, we'll smoke. Take pockets. Thank you sir for your comments. No further citizens comments we're going to be being to council comments at this time. We like to open. I guess we have the first aside where we're going to put our first steps. I'd like to discuss just one. Council comments. Yes, ma'am. Yes, we're at council comments at this time. Please be respectful. The game citizens comments is time for council to comment. And remember, we are not voting for a moratoriumatorium we're voting to give direction towards a moratorium tonight. Mr. Salsus. Yes, Mr. Wray. You've been in contact with the NAR homes who is developing that side. Have they offered any kind of assistance to residents? Have they emitted any kind of fault as far as they did add to the watershed? And are they willing to help alleviate the problem that they potentially created? We did not have any of those discussions. Okay. Thank you. And now while you're still up there, I did put in a call and ask for a stop work. So is that something that can be done? Like I never heard anything bad from it. There were still people working on things and so that is is that your department that does that or it would be my department to issue a stop or quarter. So I would but it's direction from city manager for that. So. Can we put it for the stop work order? I mean, can we give consensus for the stop work order? Like, how does this? So I guess. Yeah, so. Because. I think you're going to ask for a direction from me. So with the intent to for how long, right, what the purpose that we're driving? Well, just specifically on that project, that's the project of concern. I mean, not, I mean, you saw the show a hands earlier. I mean, that is currently what's going on over there that's raising the most concerns. Oh, we've got issues with other future projects and future growth. But right now I think a lot of people's concerned is what we're doing about that one that clearly costs them issues. Aaron, I'm Aaron. I don't mean Aaron. Brian, I'm sorry. It's getting late. The watershed area, a floater shore's watershed area, is that affected on Volcker Road? I mean, does that slide too? Yeah, so floater shores runs through Volcker there. Okay, so in that watershed basin, yes. Okay, so if we put a moratorium on floater shores around floater shores and their watershed area, it would effectively affect that development, right? Or am I wrong? Yeah, it depends on how you write it. Yeah, it would also extend north, so whatever is in that basin, yes. Well, this is what I'm asking is not going to, if we did it tonight, it wasn't going to, it wouldn't help the problem that we're addressing right now, but it would alleviate maybe some future problem. I'm just trying to run this by all of you. Yeah, staff will implement whatever policies that the council wishes. If you do it around Florida shores with the watershed area, it's going to affect that valve-crow property. And if we put the moratorium on them, then we have some control over it. Or I would think we would have a lot of control over it while we're doing this. Well, we need to discuss where the moratorium includes at this time. So we could put the stop worker on the other now, because the moratorium, if that just goes ahead of the time in the month, but how about we'll have the city manager, well, intern city manager at this time, I like to call him city manager, to do his research. When this has happened before, a stop work order was issued on a local development when the city manager Jeff Thurman and Sean Moroni and I wrote out there was a stop work order, if I remember correctly. So it has been done, and this was mistakes that I seen with my own eyes. It was corrected right away. So let's give the city manager to update the council on Tuesday. See if a stop work order was issued. Why? We got a meeting and we got a meeting. Well, I mean, it's Friday night at 9.55. Given the rate. I think it's going to take at least a day to give an observation. If he can do it at the next meeting, that's tremendous. Definitely we'll check into that. I want them to fix what's broken before we stop them completely. Amazing. Fix what's broken. Amazing. In a stop work order temporarily, doesn't mean we are stopping the whole development. Although we, I think there should be conversations about that if it's possible, but it's temporary, like I stated, Mr. Thurmond and I have went through this process before on a development already and they fixed the problems within a day or two. So we need, let's give him until hopefully Monday night, I would appreciate it. If I would say Tuesday at the latest to give counsel. Not that you want to put all this on hold. No, no, no, the stop work order discussion. Let's let the city manager. I believe we have a consensus to have to have the city manager look into a stop work order that will hopefully be discussed Monday. Tuesday at the latest with his findings via email. And I'm sure it will be made to the public via social media. Okay, let's get. Let's ask. I have a question too. I will another one question, sorry. But I guess with this is just for people who are listening because I think what we're getting at is right now, I mean, Doug Meron, I want the whole project to stop. I would love to see that stuff. It is what it is. But if is the concern, if we stop it now, that they can't fix some of the things to make it better, is that what we're doing? I think, at least, if all of them, they can't do anything, that means they can't touch it. And if something's still messed up, then they can't fix it either. Yeah. Yeah, so staff is concerned is that because I would love to see them fix it and then stop. But staff is concerned is that the ponds aren't completely stabilized from the last blowout. They haven't been stabilized through the use of sod, which is a typical stormwater practice. So our concern is if we stop the whole thing right now, then we could, if we have another storm event next week, we might have egg on our face because we literally told them not to try and stabilize the ponds that flooded in the first. Please no public discussion other than Mrs. Salsis. So that would be that would be the concern. I mean we. So. This is where I'm at. Let's have the city attorney draft an issue for a building moratorium for the Florida shores area and a building moratorium for the city wide, excluding part count. Let's let's look at this and let's see the differences. Let's hold another special meeting on it and let's discuss tonight what we would like to be drafted in that Of course the watersheds the first one and our comp plan and land development code is what I'd like to see I just work on within that Is that is that can I get a consensus from the council to have our city attorney and our Ryan Solsis and city manager work on a moratorium for citywide explaining part town and One separately for the Florida shores watershed to work on our Land development code and comp land within a reason about what's a reasonable amount of time with the council state for this to be back in front of us. It'd probably be a need to be a year. No, I'm not saying for the moratorium time period, I would recommend a year, but I'm saying for you guys to have a recommendation. Oh, of the two separate moratoriums back in front of the council. Oh. I thought you were talking about to actually do a comp plan. What would the time period for the moratorium, what would the council like to say? For six months, eight months, eight months, or a year, yes, ma'am. Please have public comment. I guess it depends on what we're working to achieve. What's our goal? I hate to say throw a year out there, but what is the goal? What do we win at accomplish that year? I think that's what is, what are we going to accomplish that year? That's what the year is going to be. Well, if we bring it the year, and we talk about fixing the storm water, maybe that's going to give some of these people who want to volunteer time and things, I mean businesses that might say that they want to, as you spoke earlier, you said you're going to send people out to clean things, maybe we'll put a year on it and say we need to get all this stuff cleaned before we revisit things that maybe that's going to put some fire under some bus to get out there and fix things. But what if it doesn't take a year? I guess that's how I'm getting at. Right. And so you'd always do a shorter time and then extend it. extended. It would be safer to do it that way. Because either way in the long run we'll still have that year, but it depends on how we want to chop it up. I mean, we're not committing to, okay, we're going to do it for six months, and then if it's not complete, not going out of six months because absolutely we would, but I'm just asking, you know, what is the difference if we say, let's give it six months and then, okay, still not right, still not a six month and see if it's still not right, then why did we visit again at that point? So I think the moratorium that's serving the purpose of updating the comp plan that LDC that absolutely does need to be a year simply just because of the process that it's gonna take to go through that, the public hearings, the public input, sending it to the state, us discussing it. That is a complex and comprehensive process. So for that one, I'm confident for a year. I would like to say a year. It can always be reviewed. Yes, absolutely. I agree. OK, so consensus for a year, more Torian, potentially, written up. I would also, I mean, can was, this comes back up for discussion. Mr. Gimber brought up. I would like to, I mean, can we discuss of the ramifications? Like, a same emergency in the ramifications? And how that, I mean, if we do that, will that give us more help now? Yes. I have been in discussion with several individuals about that. I'd like to discuss this manager about that as well, the resources I have. I think we can all agree. This is next to an emergency crisis. It is an emergency crisis. We're flooding. We need to take care of this solution. It would open us up to several other resources. The past manager wasn't necessarily open to that idea, took my calls last week, based on that. I know our new wonderful intern will he's always answered my calls not even for When he was the manager so that is in discussion and Give it update of that on Monday Do you want to be cleared though for that ordinance that? Obviously we don't want to prohibit folks from being able to replace their roof or replace their windows or renovate their home. So obviously this or yeah, fences should. So I think focusing this on single family residents or new construction. So. New construction of residential homes. Yes. Okay, so there's a consensus for more. You have direction, Mr. City Attorney and Mr. Manager? Yeah, I took notes. Okay. Okay. Seeing no further council comments at this time, we are adjourned. I did want to, I'm sorry before this is over, that's the thing I wanted. I wanted them to talk about what we what we are doing now. I know we're we've all been here for a while But I think a lot of people still Okay, let's do we have to okay we were adjourned at 1003 we're gonna recave in at 1003 at this time on September 20th of 2024 to discuss our the city manager and public work director. The city manager and public work director. So far since Saturday. Since the storm we were out checking all the canals we went out about five or five thirty on Saturday night. There was about six of us that were out until midnight making sure that all the canals were open and flowing that the stormwater was going where it was supposed to go and that it was exiting. We had a backhoe out and it was dipping all the culvert ends that on Sunday morning we came back out 730 in the morning. We inspected all the areas that were most impacted the night before by approximately midnight. The night before most of the streets, all the water had gone down into the roadside swales and they had dry pavement. By 730 on Sunday morning, it was observed that all streets were dry pavement. The canals were high. they were doing their job, they were flowing. At 9am we brought in heavy machinery, we brought in back hose, we brought in the Kaiser, the walking excavator, and with the intention of to continue to help, specifically the Travelers umbrella canal was seeming to take the longest to stage down to pre-storm levels. That is one of the longer canals in fact I believe it is the longest canal that edgewater maintains and so we put the equipment into that to basically speed it up to remove some vegetation just to help for the recovery. By Tuesday afternoon which would be 72 hours after the event. All systems had fully recovered. You had a little bit of water at the bottom of swales, but it was saturated ground conditions for sure. But all systems were at their pre-storm levels. Then on Wednesday evening, we had another high intensity event. Thankfully, it was only about an inch and a half to two inches, but it came within about an hour. That also did cause water on the roads, which within a couple hours or a short period of time, whatever it was, was also within the roadside collection system, the swales and the end of block retention ponds. That storm event on Wednesday did affect other areas of the city, but I have not heard of any reports of any structure flooding from that event. Since that time, we've continued on our route. The Minzymuk machine has finished cleaning the, well, I should say mowing the Lime Mango Canal. It has on its regularly scheduled route entered the Eul woodland canal and is proceeding north. The Kaiser machine, the walking excavator, is still finishing up mowing the Travelers umbrella canal. They've right at about 442. They have one block to go north of the boulevard when they will then go back to the southern end at 34th Street and they will begin cleaning, removing debris from the very southern end, working its way north. Cleaning takes a lot longer than mowing. So that'll be going on for a couple of months. Be glad to providing you other information. Well, do you have a question, Randy, when you're cleaning and scooping, are you scooping and cleaning and taking the debris away? Or are you scooping and dumping and putting it alongside the banks? Where we can, we like to put the vegetative matter on the banks to kind of mulch them. We don't like to have bear soil on any of the banks. Bear soil is how you get erosion. That's how you get a lot of the washouts. We like for there to be vegetation on the banks. The roots of the vegetation help hold the bank together. So generally, when we have, we'll say a reasonable amount of vegetation, we put that up on the banks. It looks muddy for the first couple of days until it really dries out and compost, frankly, and then becomes part of the soil of the bank. We only really remove things out of the canal if they're big, if they cause problems. If we try to set it on the bank and it rolls back down, that's coming out. I've just had a few residents who were pet concerned that when they see you scooping and jumping on the side of the canal and then it falls back into canal, it kind of defeats the purpose. So I wouldn't sure the reason why. Yeah, we try to place it in there and pack it in there. Sometimes it does fall down. But we don't want to remove too much of the material from the canal because the vegetation itself is really the dirt. You know, the roots that embed that material forms the plant matter itself. We don't want to remove too much of the canal banks. We don't want to remove too much of the material that's within the canal. Mr. Manager, do you have anything you'd like to add before we can... We also made available sandbags, and we're going to be monitoring next week's weather. I think tomorrow we have sandbags available again. Or was it, it's not scheduled, but Mr. Manager, it's your direction. I think we should just monitor the storm. First part of the week will have a better idea on intensity, path, and preserve our stockile of sandbags. If I may, the residents on the last week Saturday who had sandbags, I believe they felt more in control when the waters were rising coming up towards their homes. So I encourage all residents get sandbags. We're giving them away for free 10 per household there. Well we were and I'm expecting we probably will again next week. We have a sandpile that we keep always stocked at 26th and high biscuits. There's no gates or anything to restrict. Bring you in shovels, bring your own bags, fill your bags, but we always have that pile there. If there's a freak event like there was a week ago that's that's what it's there for that's what we keep it for. Thank you. I appreciate taking the action I think the action will be taken four storms now I think we're in a lot better management direction I'm very happy with the outcome of this meeting tonight and I look forward to the council meeting on Monday. Seeing no further questions. We are adjourned.