I just had one question. So do we have a, do we get a card? Okay. So you're welcome to come up to the, the, the Dias or podium. And this, tell us your name and then ask your question. My name is Dave Hackbirth. I live in the Sun Valley Mobile Home Park and I was wondering there was an article in the sailor and I mentioned that you called it sub-standard housing and I was wondering why that was the way the article read. I just thought that I just thought it because I mean it's the only. Which housing you talking about? The Sun Valley Mobile Home Park, there's 61, the license for 65, but it's the only, it's the most affordable housing in Plymouth. I agree. Are you the owner? No, I'm one of the long-term residents. I've lived there since 1986. Wow. So I got a neighbor who's been there 10 years longer than me. I was just wondering why it was called substandard housing. I mean, I've given... I didn't mean to offend you at any time. Oh, no, I don't... But I live nearby. Oh, you live in Moitre than you live in? Oh, yeah, yeah. I go by it all the time. I have driven through it many times. Yeah, because of my trailer's C19. I'm right across the dumpsters with the carport. So you're on the west end? Yeah, I'm mean the park. You've driven, you've actually driven in the park. Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah, but I'm on the west end of it. Well right in the center right across from the dumpsters. Yeah, I got the carport on the side and a couple of additions and a workshop that I built. I wasn't referring to all the housing, but I've driven through there and you know some of the housing persists. Well, no, I agree with you. The best thing on the east end. Yeah, I'm technically on the east end and that H-12 is the one across the streets that's got the tarps on the trees. That's the one I agree with you. But I want to, the owners, it's an offsite management corporation and they're one of the residents has given her a number of notices but the owners, because you're on the home and you rent the dirt or you rent the landlies community, but she doesn't follow through and take that tarp style and clean up your yard. Yeah. Because I actually put a, I had a picture from 2003 that trailer was put in in about 2000. So it was brand new. That wasn't as trailer, but they rent the owner, previous owner, let him rent it out and they had three different renters and they just trashed the place or whatever. But that, yeah, 812 is kiddie because I'm right across the laundry room where the well is and that that's the one I agree with you that it that isn't it should be dealt with but But there's one of them that I drove by that's on the east end that was boarded up and Then you look like the people were still living there and now I see Commissioners I need to remind you that we're we got all out of jayade this is really a chance for you to have a conversation and I think it would be best if we took that yeah and I think I don't think he had had any intention to offend anybody no no I mean it's the most affordable housing in town because I read one to six out of the month and the utilities that's nothing a little employment but I agree with you that they need to step it up. My name is, some of my neighbors need to step it up. Yeah, I'll keep in mind what you said and you know that what I say has the potential to offend some people. So that's good advice. No, I just have to say, yeah, no, no, I'm the, I just, I never even, I don't know what you guys do. I'm gonna sit what you guys do. Thanks for coming. Thank you for coming. Through here in motion to approve the agenda. Public forum is closed. Do I hear motion to approve the agenda? Second. All in favour? Aye. Do I hear a motion to approve the consent agenda? Second. All in agenda? Second. Second. All in favor. I. I do have a question. Oh, sorry. On the climate town square. I don't know if there's anybody here. I don't think there's anybody from the management company here to answer the question. But I guess I can defer this to next time, but I've got a couple questions in that area as well. So on the consent agenda regarding the budget, you're talking about both of you? Well, I don't, it's not in regards to the budget. It's just a couple of things on the balance sheet that look odd that I wanted to address. Okay, so let's, once should go ahead and raise those questions. Okay, so Madam Chair, I think the way that we should do this is to remove whatever, whichever of these items, if it's both or, or Plimif Town Square, we should remove that from the consent agenda. Okay. Act on the consent agenda. We can then place, if it's Plymouth Town Square, we can then place that at the end of your agenda before we get to updates. We don't have anyone here to answer the questions but at least we can identify what they are. Okay. Perfect. So we want to remove that and commissioners on Plymouth Town Square also. Yeah, okay. All right, so do I hear a motion to approve the consent agenda with the exception of moving the public town square budget to item 6.3? So moved. Second. Second. All in favor? All right. All right. Okay. We do not have a public hearing tonight, so we will. Nothing there, so item 6.1. Okay. Well, good evening, Madam Chair and commissioners. So we're going to do a tag team presentation this evening on this topic. So this is a follow up to the discussion that we had back at your last meeting in October. So again, just a quick reminder each year the council asks its advisory commissions to adopt work plans which we have done as a board and it's really intended to identify kind of what the priorities are for the upcoming year and so we provided a copy in your packet of the current 2024 work plan just as a point of reference we did talk about that at your last meeting and have included an update of based on the feedback that we received from you as commissioners at your last meeting in October. We have since updated that document, which I have listed here. So just briefly to kind of cover what we've included in the proposed work plan for 2025. And we would suggest breaking these up into quarters. I think we have the staff capacity to try and get through these topics. So my suggestion would be in theory as we go through each of these topics, each of them would be potentially a main kind of a topic for that particular meeting as we go forward. So in the first quarter, we'd like to talk about a local 4D program. I think I may have included an update on this. We have been approached by Lakeview Commons, which is a existing multifamily building that is interested in participating in that program. We do not have a 4D program here in the city and frankly it's not something we spent a lot of time looking into, but in the next month or so we want to provide some additional background information on that, have something for you to consider at your January meeting, potentially put something in place maybe in February and we can talk a little bit more about that. I did list HRA legislative priorities and recommendations. And I'm not quite certain how to handle that. One of my suggestions is rather than creating our own set of legislative priorities to us to perhaps review maybe at this upcoming meeting or sometime in the first quarter what the legislative priorities are of the organizations that we belong to, Minnesota, Niro, have adopted legislative policies, and I think that would be a more effective tool than kind of creating our own. So we can talk about that in the first quarter. Reviewing the CDBG work plan would be another activity. We typically do that on an annual basis. Then in the second quarter, I know there's been some discussion of a new program for naturally occurring affordable housing with particular interest in the program for manufactured home parks. We do have a follow-up presentation on that, which we'll get to in just a moment, but we could maybe spend some additional time again in the second quarter exploring that particular program. I know the HRA has expressed interest in getting into the budget sooner than we have in the past. So that could be a second quarter activity. I've already had conversations with our finance director about doing that. That's typically when we kind of start the process for the regular city budget, so it would be appropriate to do that for the HRA as well. I did receive an inquiry from Commissioner Peterson about the liable communities program and suggesting that maybe this is something we talk about at a future meeting. So I've included that again in deference to the commission, but we can certainly talk about that more, but I've slotted that in as a potential topic in the second quarter. And then in the third quarter, reviewing the HRA strategic plan, we've talked about that. Previously, that document was adopted, I think back in 2021. So you know, it feels like it's about the right time to revisit that in terms of what is in that document. I also would suggest that maybe we schedule either that particular topic, maybe as a study session where we can have more of a conversation and dialogue. So that's something to think about. And then reviewing our housing choice voucher administrative plan. And then also evaluating a local housing trust fund. This was a topic that came up this summer at a study session with the council in relation to the LAHA funds. Those are the local affordable housing aid dollars that the city has received as part of this region-wide sales tax. And so we could talk about a local housing trust fund as well as the law-ha funds you can create a fund and then deposit those dollars into a fund. You can use other funding sources as well, but I think it would be appropriate to consider that since the council has provided some direction on that. And then as we get into the fourth quarter, again, doing what we're doing now, which is reviewing our annual work plan for the following year, which would be 2026, and then adopting the HRA budget and tax levy in the fourth quarter. So I don't know if we want to stop there and have a discussion. We do have some slides about the Minnesota Housing Program, which I'll turn over to Steven. So maybe we'll stop there and address questions if you have any about the work plan. Any questions? Commissioner Williams. I just need a little bit of clarification. At first quarter it says I'm never the review HRA legislative priorities recommendations. The third box is checked but also the fourth box and I'm assuming is that not applicable? Is that that in A stands for? That might have been an error. Okay, yeah. Commissioner Voss. I just have a question, Mr. Franileus, that does the city council or the city adopt legislative priorities or goals just on their own independent of the agencies they belong to? Commissioner Voss yes it does. It has in the past I know I believe there's a policy document that they've adopted for legislative priorities. I don't have it in front of me this evening, but we could certainly share that with the HRA if you're interested. I would like to maybe suggest some things that the city consider. I don't think we have the, we don't certainly have the authority. I don't think to have our own legislative agenda. Certainly the City Council does that, but I'd like to be able to suggest things for them to look at. I'm, you know, I'm, I'm follow some legislative things, especially related to housing that I think the city would be interested in weighing in on and I think it would be helpful to have the city weigh in if we can, you know, not even make a recommendation but refer it to them to look into it and see if it fits in with the city's goals. So Commissioner Voss and commissioners, I guess the appropriate way to do that would be to discuss it as a board and then whatever those recommendations are, you could forward them onto the council. I would suggest we do that at that first quarter meeting. Commissioner Peterson. I just have a procedural question about a what if scenario. Town Square has paid off its mortgage now, if I'm correct. Is that right? Commissioner Peterson, I don't know the answer. I think it was paid off last year. And from everything I've seen, it's been very successful and we're very proud of what we're doing there. So my question is, if we were to look at building another successful unit like that, how would that procedure, where would you even start? Who has to start the conversation? Does it come from a council member or does city staff look at that? Or I don't know how to start the conversation. So if I understand correctly Commissioner Peterson the idea would be to develop additional. Right, I'm thinking about rather than using these limited funds we get for a bunch of small projects, maybe we would get a better return on our investment by trying to gather something together for a large project which would give us actually more units of affordable housing but it would take a little bit more effort and creativity to do that. But I would just be interested in having the conversation to see if that's even a viable way of moving forward. I really don't know. Yeah, commissioners, I don't know either. I don't know the history of the two projects that were developed here. I don't know how that started. We haven't had any conversations in the time that I've been here about developing additional housing. So I think that's probably a conversation we would want to have maybe collectively with the council. I don't know if that's the kind of thing where we would schedule some type of a joint session. And we would talk about whether there's interest in pursuing that. You know, that in and of itself would be a large undertaking to look at how we would develop. But I think it would probably start with a discussion about, is there interest in doing that? Is that something that the city council wants to do? So I think it would probably start with some kind of a joint conversation between the two the two groups Would that be something that really wouldn't come out of the Noah housing Conversation what it I don't think so Noah is really talking about existing yeah existing housing so That would be a additional topic. Commissioner Williams. I just forgot what it's going to be. Commissioner Keke. I think in addition to this work plan, I think I like the evaluation of the 40 housing program. We've seen a lot of that as it relates to financing. I think there's other things going on in the city of Plymouth that we should look at to kind of help support housing. A lot is the Highway 55 improvements. Now that actually brings in some additional funds from the Inflation Reduction Act that we can kind of add on to. And there's been a bunch of green energy policy that opens up the need for financing, or opens up the opportunity for financing if it's in like kind with what the city's goals and objectives are going to be. And I think kind of helping that I, could help more affordable housing get built to implement. I think that's a good point. Madam Chair. So would you recommend those being an additional bullet point in one of these quarters? Yeah, you know, it could really be under the 4D program and just say other programs that help support affordable housing. And usually a lot of times the cities actually have to have goals that align with those financing programs that would open up the door for additional financing to help with some of that affordable housing. Okay, so expanding that for you. Yeah exactly. Okay perfect. Thank you. Thank you. Yes I was just speaking with a couple of veterans organizations recently and the issue of valor place came up again. What's the current status of that are those fully occupied again now or are there any plans to try to consider building any I mean veterans are hurting they're hurting in this community Just wondering whether or not there any additional plans for consideration for additional efforts like valor place and Maybe that can be a part of this whole initial discussion that you're raising as well including that kind of housing area as well as a critical need So yeah, commissioners, so Valor place is currently occupied. And as far as I know, the buildings have been successful. As part of the scattered site discussion that we had. We did talk about the idea of potentially selling those properties as well, but finding the right partner to continue to operate them in the same fashion that they are now, which is affordable rentals, or potentially affordable home ownership. Maybe that's an option with the current folks that live there. We haven't really pursued that any further. That was not something that homes within reach. The land trust was interested in working in because there's there are some limitations when you deal with with housing that has maybe additional restrictions on it that it be limited veterans. So they just weren't interested in partnering with us on that. So for the time being, I think we'll continue to operate those and manage them. I think that is another discussion is, do we want to develop additional housing we've talked about capacity issues in the past. And so I think that's a conversation we're going to have to revisit at some point about what is the long-term plan with those two buildings. If there's interest in building additional housing, I mean that would be another conversation as well. Thank you. Commissioner. Okay. Just clarification. The two units that we own, are there other units at that site or is it just two units at that site and I think the question was might be might have been are we Do we have capacity to add additional units? Not at that and so it's it's just available for two units. Okay, right. Thank you I would add being the old person on the board. I'm sure, thank you. We did encounter some difficulties getting those rented. They're not on a bus line. We ran into issues. The original intent on those buildings was to sell them. That proved very difficult getting them qualified. And so they aren't, they aren't an easy site to manage and that it wasn't an easy, it didn't turn out to be an easy project to build. And there were some stars that aligned that got us that property cheap and then we were able to get some very significant donations. So putting one of those together again will not be as easy as that one. It would be my synapses of it. But that's not to say we can't do it. But it wasn't as easy as it started out as a really good idea, and it really turned out to be a lot more work than it. And it's very valuable and very good cause, but it was difficult. So. So I think what we're looking for at the staff level is, I mean, there's certainly if there's additional discussion or questions, we can attempt to address those. But we would like you to adopt this or some version of this tonight so that we can forward that to the council. Sometime in the first quarter, I don't know the exact timing the council will review all of these work plans. So, you know, this all is subject to obviously the council stamp of approval. But I think it's important for us to at least have something that we can put in front of them at the appropriate time. So we would like formal action on it this evening. Commissioner Kellner. in reference to what Mr. Peterson was saying, is that would it make sense to add some kind of bullet point to see discussion of viability of whether or not it would be in the plan to look at building a third affordable housing building. So I mean commissioners, this is your work plan. So we can include whatever it is collectively. You would like to do, I guess I would, and I'm fine with it. I just want to like manage expectations about, you know, help, for example, how long it took us to get through the inclusionary housing policy discussion and we have way more on our list, right? Now than we did previously. So we can add it. I mean, I think it's good to have it as a placeholder and we can keep it in front of us if, you know, if we can get to it next year, that would be the goal, but if not, it'll at least be on the plan. Commissioner Voss, hanger. I'll correct you. We've mentioned bullet points, and I'm fine with the plan, but maybe we can add, like you say, as placeholders. One of them that we mentioned was the legislative agenda and looking at that or making recommendations to the council or suggestions. Would that, can I assume that discussion would happen in the third quarter? That's what that's about, right? So Commissioner Voss, right now it's listed as an item in the first quarter. I'm sorry, I've got an old plan. Okay. Should be on your screen. Commissioner Peterson. Going along with what Commissioner Kelner was saying. I liked your idea about having a study session so we can have a more open discussion. And I wonder if another town center type facility could be part of that study session. So, like you say, it's much more amenable to just having wide open discussion and doing a little brainstorming. And I would think that that would tie into our own strategic plan and how we're moving ahead with it too. I think we could include that as part of that discussion. So in summary, what I'm hearing is that we would expand the 4D program to include, we would make that a broader conversation. No, I'm talking about the third quarter. In summary. So the first quarter we would expand the 4D. And then we would add the senior housing conversation potentially if this council is amenable to that. So Madam Chair, just to clarify, so yeah, I understand the idea of wanting to maybe have additional conversation around the 4D and we can do that. I will tell you that we are going to have a specific proposal related to a 4D incentive program as kind of a standalone program. And this is in conjunction with the Lakeview Commons proposal. So there is some time-sensitivity to that. So we will be bringing you a specific program forward to evaluate, you know, have you act on it, provide feedback. I think as part of that we can have additional discussions but if we do want to consider some kind of an arrangement to assist Lakeview Commons in preserving the affordable housing we're probably going to need to do that relatively quickly so the 4D is a specific idea in and of itself but we can have additional conversation beyond that. So then we would add we do add another line that kind of somewhere later in the year. Would that be which which on like the highway like the highway 55 and the green energy financing and grant I think what a summary would be just like other supportive goals from the city to help additional financing to the city for affordable housing. Forty does that. Inflation reduction act does that. There were seem a lot of work first housing programs come out. There's the TIFIA program now for financing along bus rapid transit routes, which we're working on in 55. I mean, I think we can adopt policies to help developers self-servingly, but to get more affordable housing done in the city of Plymouth and leverage other tools outside of the city to get that to happen. So, Madam Chair, I'm not entirely certain when you'd like to do that, but... Well, I guess I would be looking to you guys to see where your capacity is. I get the 4D. We're pretty close. To be honest. This is a rather robust agenda. Sorry. I just want to set expectations for what we can do. But I also understand the interest and want you to do more. So. Well, can we put it in as a placeholder in the third or fourth quarter? OK. That sounds good. and then we can re-evaluate. Third or fourth quarter? Okay. That sounds good. And then things will be what it is in the fourth quarter. We don't know what it will be, but it will be whatever it is. It will be different. And then we can re-evaluate. Any other comments? Okay. If Nat do I hear a motion to approve the work 2025 work plan has changed. amended. So I moved. Second. All in favor? Hi. All right. All right. Thank you. So with that, I'm going to turn it over to Stephen and he has a few slides that he wants to present as a follow-up to the discussion you had at your last meeting about the Minnesota housing program regarding manufactured home parks. So Stephen do you want to Take control of the wheel here Let's see. Nope. Oops. Okay, actually. Perfect. Excuse me. All right. Madam Chair, commissioners tonight I'll just give a brief overview of the manufactured home community redevelopment program. It is a grant-based program for infrastructure improvements specifically aimed at manufactured home communities and it is administered unfunded by Minnesota housing. So the grant funds are awarded to the owner of the park through a competitive RFP process. The RFP process assesses a community need, household served, the community support, project leveraging costs, project assessment, and also the experience of the applicant. So the application in RFP process typically opens between August and September, it is currently closed. Staff did reach out to Minnesota Housing to get a time frame for that and they asked us to check back again in early spring for the 2025 application process. So eligible uses include installation, repair of infrastructure improvements, things like water and sewer systems, roads, sidewalks, storm shelters, signage and lighting. The funds cannot be used for improvements to individual manufactured homes or to fund or finance work that's already been completed. And the work or the repairs must be done on full time area for year round use portions of the park so it couldn't go to seasonal type uses like playgrounds. It is a three-year grant agreement so there's a three-year cycle to utilize the funds. It does require annual reporting to Minnesota housing and also there's monitoring conducted by Minnesota housing and then relevant relevant record keeping is required by the owner for six years after the grant closes In addition, the owner would Enter into a declaration restricted covenant for a 25 year affordability period. That would require that the property remain a manufactured home park. Lot rent would remain affordable to lower moderate income households. Lot rent increase would be capped at 5% annually. And the park owner must establish and fund a reserve account for future improvements. That's a basic overview of how the program works. I'm by no means an expert in this program, but I'd be happy to try to answer any questions if you have any. Why is Sun Valley? I'm sorry. We aren't taking questions from the audience at this time. Commissioner Voss Steve do the How do they find affordable the lot rents affordable? Is it like housing 30% of your income or what's what's their definition of affordable Commissioner Voss the program guide states that they must remain affordable to households at 115% AMI or below so in other words But this is same you even though it's just a lot the standard, the same definition of affordability being 30% of your income for your housing costs would apply here. Am I right? Yes, I believe that's correct. OK. Commissioner Pearson. Just to clarify, would I read further in your report, you've had no contact with the owner of Sun Valley about this At to this point Madam chair commissioners that is correct. Okay, however To address the question our understanding is that Sun Valley would be qualified Mobile home park to make an application for something if they wish to. Madam Chair and commissioners, that is correct. They would meet this criteria if they would choose so. I'm sorry, sorry, the comment period's done. But we can take your questions afterwards. Any other questions? Commissioner Vass? When I researched this last, there were other pools of funds available for like down payment assistance, since, you know, for people to buy their own, you know, mobile home, there were some first time home buyer programs that were related to that. And then there were rehab grants as well. Now, I'm not sure if those applied only to the co-op ones around, but you know, there were five funds. And I actually got that information straight from the commissioner who was at an event, you know, back in, you know, made a year and a half ago in 2023. And I was curious about it, and I know a little bit. And so she said, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, there's these Zave Five Fence. Now I'm expecting that some of the funds have been expanded or diminished as we're near the end of the biennium here. But did you run into any information about that or was just this part one particular fund? Commissioner Voss, I did focus specifically on this particular fund. Okay, any other questions on that item? them. I think we covered everything that you wanted to. So Madam Chair, yes we have. Sorry. We covered everything in 6.1. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Madam Chair and commissioners. Tonight I'm going to we're looking to give you a brief overview of the capital improvements relating to the planet town square for the 2025 calendar year and also ask for a motion to recommend a city council to move forward with the bidding and specifications for these two projects. So let's start with a brief overview of plummet town squares and 99 unit. It's 100% affordable multi-family building. It is available to senior citizens age 55 and older. The building was built in 1994 and is 30 years old. And the first item that we're going to look into or discuss tonight is elevator modernization. See, the elevators are original to the building. They are 30 years old. The components in the elevators are obsolete. Many of them discontinued, excuse me, and many of the parts are no longer available, meaning if there were major issues with the elevators themselves, we would have difficulty locating parts for these. So, elevator modernization is a fairly standard task or update to the properties. So it does make major updates to the electrical system, motor and drive system, the call buttons and door actuators, lighting and safety systems, and emergency power and response system. We have done, looked for preliminary estimates for the work. So the elevator modernization to Plymouth Town Square, the approximate cost is around $190,000. That does include both the East and West elevators. The East elevator is a single door entry. The West elevator is an entry from both sides. So it does impact the estimate a little bit. The estimate of $190,000 does not include the aesthetic upgrades to the interior of the elevator cars. If we did, we'll select to do the interior upgrades. It's approximately an additional 35,000 total for the project. So due to the cost, this project must be publicly bid. We're hoping that we're looking for the bidding to happen in January with an award in February of 25 and then the project would likely start in March or April of next year. The second project. Can I ask a question? Commissioner Keller. Presumably if they would do that work in stages so that the residents can use one elevator while they're working on the other elevator and so on, I would assume. Madam Chair and commissioners, that is correct. The elevator, there would always still be elevator access throughout the property. Thank you. Perhaps we could get through the whole presentation and then we'll take questions. Would that be that probably be easier? The second project I want to discuss is the Rofre placement of Plumeth Town Square. So the League of Minnesota cities did investigate the damage that was sustained through a Hale Storm in August of 2023. Their determination, their determined that a full roof replacement was needed. Preliminary estimates for that roof replacement are $425,000. That covers all of the asphalt, remove and replace in addition to the standing seam portions of the building. The roof replacement would be covered or will be covered by the League of Minnesota City's insurance trust, less a $20,000 deductible. That would come from the talent square reserve fund, capital reserve fund. So with the complication, it's a complicated process given the scope and the size of the project. So staff did meet with a local engineering firm ESI and determined that ESI will assist with the specification writing, the bidding process and the construction process. And the ESI services will be included in the insurance claim expenses and ultimately paid for by League of Minnesota City's insurance trust. And after the bidding process is complete, then the winning proposals will be presented to the HRA for review and to the City Council for approval. So just to recap, we're looking at an estimated construction date for the elevator modernization spring of 2025 and for the roof replacement summer of 2025. And the repairs, including the $20,000 deductible are already part of the city's capital improvement plan and will be paid for out of the Plymouth Town Square Capital Reserve Fund. So tonight we're asking the HRA to approve a motion to recommend to city council that the specifications and the bidding process be authorized for the two separate capital projects at Plumeth Town Square It's a elevator modernization and the roof replacement I think we have some discussion first Any kind of questions Commissioner Williams. This whole process, I wasn't here at this last meeting, but I know all of the budgets have been approved. My question is, and I don't want to really get into too much controversy, but the whole issue of tear retaliation. Depending on when these projects are actually going to land, we might be looking at costs that exceed what we're looking at right now. Has that been taken into consideration at all? And what do we do if those costs exceed what we're looking at right now? Madam Chair and commissioners, those estimates that were provided are based on very current information within the last say four to six weeks. And so we would like to move forward on this process to hopefully avoid any sort of issues like that. First quarter is like in a couple weeks. I'm just wondering whether or not there was any, even in consideration to reserves in our budgets, were there any thoughts about that at all? So Madam Chair and commissioners, I can attempt to address that. So I mean, I think all of us have concerns about potential impacts on tariffs and what that means in terms of the costs of goods and construction projects. We will bid it out and I'm assuming whatever comes back will reflect that in the pricing. We do have or the city has adopted a 10 year capital improvement plan and so we have funding. If there is some type of additional cost overrun, I think we have adequate resources to cover that. The bigger item of the two is the roof. And that's an insurance claim. So the league of minutes, so does cities insurance trust is the one that will be, I guess, kind of feeling the impact of that. But yeah, I don't know how we would incorporate that into our current analysis, but we'll see what the bids come back at. Commissioner Vaz. Stephen, did I understand right that this, that the funding for this comes from an internal you know internal to the building reserve fund so it's the capital reserve fund associated with the town square building okay thank you commissioner boss that is correct okay okay any other questions if not do I hear a motion to recommend to the City Council? Sorry. Do I hear a motion to approve? Do I hear a motion to recommend to the City Council that specifications and bidding process be authorized for the two separate capital projects at Plumeth Town Square? So moved. Second. Second. Okay. All in favor? Aye. Okay. Then we just have 6.3 which was the Plumeth Town Square budget that was removed from the consent. Commissioner Kellner, I believe you had a question on that first. On the balance sheet, there's an account called Investments Working Capital Fund, which we just talked about. And then there's an account called New Death Service. Since we don't have a mortgage anymore, I assume that that money is just should just go all into the working capital budget and That seems to make sense since there's no mortgage anymore The other question was There's a there's an account on the books. There's an account on the books called Construction and Progress. I'm guessing that that goes back many years. It probably should be combined with the building cost. It doesn't, I don't know that there's any construction going on at that property. And then the last question was, there was investment income, find the, find the next balance sheet. No, this is on the income statement. There's investment income that came in in month of October that was significantly higher than not than budgeted budget P and M compared to comparative No, rough of a loss variance. Sorry about that. Yeah Investment income for the month of October actual. I think if I recall correctly the number was 39,000, the budget for the year is 11,000, total actual to date is 46,000. It's certainly not a problem, but I wanted to know where it comes from, where that income comes from. So, Madam Chair and commissioners, we can certainly follow up on those questions. Just as an observation, we haven't had grace management present at these meetings in a long time. And in large part, because the items have been on consent and there hasn't been any discussion. And so I think in the future, if there's interest in doing that, we can certainly ask Jody to attend. Otherwise, we're always available for questions if you want to reach out to us and we can certainly offline try to address those questions directly. But we'll follow up on these and we'll make sure that the full commission gets the answers. Commissioner Lamas did you get yours? Any other questions on that item? Okay, if not item 7.1. So Madam Chair, I think we need to act on that as well. Because we pulled it from consent. Yep. Okay. Do I hear a motion to approve the from the town square budget? Second. Second. All in favor? Aye. Okay. Sorry. Some print one. Not my mic, sir. All right. Madam Chair and Commissioners, so just a real quick summary of what we've included in the update. So good news on our two scattered site properties that we've talked about before on Garland Lane, that we plan to sell to homes within reach. I believe the title issue that we were working through has been addressed. And we're closing what? December 13th. OK, so we're closing December 13th with homes within reach. So that's good news. I don't know if I need to cover Lake View Commons. I talked about that as part of the work plan discussion. So there'll be more information on the 4D discussion and Lakeview Commons coming up at your January meeting. The other thing that we've noted is a new program through the state, through Minnesota Housing, called Bring It Home. From what I understand, this program operates in a similar fashion to the Housing Choice Valiture Program. It's state funds rather than federal funds, but it basically is a rental assistance program. Again, this is something we need to evaluate. I know I keep talking about staff capacity, but this is something that we'll have to look at. One of the other updates that I'll have for you on staffing, which we'll introduce our newest member in a moment, as we did also have our one of two HRA specialists resign. So we're going to be down another staff person, unfortunately, for a period of time. So when I talk about capacity, those are the folks that would actually be doing the work. And so I think we have some concerns about taking on another voucher type program at this point in time. But we are continuing to look at it. And if there's an opportunity to consider doing something, we can certainly bring that to you in the future. Grant is it possible that that could be administered out of the city or we don't know yet? I don't know enough about it. Do you have any information Stephen? No okay so yeah we don't know enough about it we'd have to gather some additional information on that and then I do want to introduce Grace Schoonover, is that how I pronounced your name correctly? All right. Grace is our new housing policy and grant coordinator. She started on November 12th. So we're very excited to have her on board. Grace has an undergraduate degree in sociology, and most recently worked in project compliance for a property management company that oversees affordable housing development. So I think she's got some very practical work experience that is relevant to what we're doing here. So welcome, Grace. We're excited to have you on board. And then a couple of things I wanted to mention that are not part of the update. So one, Commissioner Spoonheim is not here tonight. As many of you know, Commissioner Spoonheim ran for council as a at large council member and was successful in the most recent election. So he's going to be joining the city council in January. He sent his regrets. He had a family commitment this evening. So he was not able to attend, unfortunately, to recognize him for his service as a commissioner to the HRA. So if you have anything you want to say about that, I just from the staff level have enjoyed working with him and appreciate his service to the city and the time that he he's given to the HRA and always an important member. In terms of the vacancy the City Council has reviewed applications they did do interviews this week they did identify finalists I don't know if they've notified I know they've identified the people who will be appointed I don't know if they've notified, I know they've identified the people who will be appointed. I don't know if the others have been, so I'm not comfortable identifying who the individual is this evening, but those appointments will be made at the first meeting in January, so that individual will be seated for your next meeting in January. And then the last thing I wanted to say is this obviously the last meeting of our of the year. We accomplished a lot this year. I appreciate the partnership that we have with you as commissioners and the service that you provide to the city and volunteer in your time and want to wish you all happy and safe holiday as well. Thank you. I think we should be proud of what we got done this. Staff is a huge part of that. So we appreciate all of you. I think we should do something to thank Mr. Spoodheim for his service officially in the minutes of the- I think we can do that. I think we should make it known that we did- you know he's been an integral part of the Sergans Arab Commission and we appreciate it all as help. And we look forward to working with him on the council. Can I make a motion to put that in the minutes, to thank him for his service? Yeah, I don't think we need a motion, but. They will transcribe, I think what I said, they seem to do a very good job of that. Okay. Hearing no objection, I will adjourn the meeting.