Like I was meeting in May 12th, 2025 to order, before we do anything, I want to make an announcement. Our audio and video systems have failed. We will be doing it. I'll speak loudly so you can hear me and ask each of you speak loudly. We have a Doom Micah, there's Recording Meeting and it'll be made available online later after we'll let it flow to your site. and anyone is looking out you to see if that will be their life. La Apology is a technical issue, which is beyond what control. So if you would, please rise for a plate of the link to the video. I pledge allegiance to the light of the United States of America to the Republic of Russia, SANS, Lamy Nation, and the Muslim, with liberty and justice for all. I'm sorry. First I have a public comment. I have a couple of folks on them with public comments. I'm not sure if you've been to the Senate or a public comment or for the public hearing. Mr. Luther and Jane Lavin did you intend to do public comments or speak in opposition to the four year project? We'd be opposition to the Okay, Mr. Malware. Opposition. Okay. Thank you very much. Just want to contact the third right there. We have no one signed up for public comments to see. Next item is approval of the minutes of April 28th, 25th, special and ranked remaining. Do you have a motion? Yes. Seven. Okay, the motion is approved in the minutes of the April 28th, 2025, special and ranked in the meeting as the assembly. All right. Second. All in favor. Aye. All in favor. Motion clear,annins. Next item is for changes in approval agenda. Understanding is changed to agenda this evening. Yes. Mr. Mayor. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Mr. Mayor, if we could please delete under business item C planning report, we are not going to do that this evening. The presenter was unable to make it tonight. Very well. Any other changes to the agenda? Do I have a motion to approve the agenda as amended? Motion to approve the agenda as amended. Do I have a second? Second. All in favor? All right. All opposed, motion carried agenda. We have our agenda. All right, Under the announcement of the same, the bill is your clemeness office. We close on Monday, May 26, 2025, and recognition of Memorial Day. Track service will week the length one day. Pick up the V2's to be through Saturday. The next bill is Council meeting will be Tuesday, May 27, 2025 at 6 p.m. All right, moving into the business section. A public hearing for his only member of the press and acquisitions, LLC, real property all about WW properties and metals, LLC from From REM 18, S, residential, multi-family, special, to REM, A, S, residential, multi-family, special. We're properly located on North East Point of the Intercession in South Beach, Sabin Road, and Park Road, 10, number 583-87, that's 0-7, 2-2, consisting of 21.62, zoning docket, that's ZMA-25-100. Planner more, would you please do an overview for us please? I will do my best without the projection unit, and I'll you guys do you have a copy information, okay. So first off, for a location map, this is Harper Road coming up with Peace Haven right at the roundabout. And this property, sorry, I've got it turned the wrong way. So when you come up off of Peace Haven Road, you hit this property. This is where the nursing care facility is. And of course, across the street here is the YMCA. You'll come in and it's basically this Trump plan that is currently developed or currently undeveloped but is zoned as RM18S for special use. So just a bigger blow-up of this site is on the next page. As you can tell, there's areas of it that's highly wooded and there are two perennial streams that are located on this site and they drain into blanket bottom creek. I know you can't tell it by the location map because once again the perennial stream so they're kind of hitting in there. So I'm going to go to the next image which is basically a full overview of the site plan that was submitted and if you can tell down here in the corner this is where one of the site plan that was submitted. And if you can tell down here in the corner, this is where one of the streams comes through and there's buffer area and wooded area that will be remain with that as part of a tree save. And then the center area through here is where the other stream is located and there are 100 foot buffer as required for the code for that. And I'll just quick, site trots coming up. Of course, this is coming down and getting to the roundabout with this. So it would be located right off of that. this side where you'd see this is where the nursing care facility sidewalk ends. This is where that property would start. There are a total of four homes, the existing homes that are on that now and several outbuildings. Those will all be removed as part of this project. So it would come in through here and then up to the roundabout. The next slide, kind of as you get closer to the roundabout, the concrete median will actually be extended down here. Sidewalk will come up along there. There will be a turn lane that's added as part of this project. And then there will be a connection from their sidewalk across this median. And then it will tie into the new sidewalk that will be built across the street as part of the Harper Road sidewalk improvement project. So just a blow up of the area that would be to the north once again, this is where they're detention and where one of the streams crosses with that tree-safe area and then towards the middle here that other string crossing with the tree-save area and there's detention that will be in that as well. I wanted to kind of give you, I don't see this slide that actually shows that northern half but it's probably towards the end. Just a quick elevation. We requested the elevation for this project. There are some of these units are going to be 16 foot wide units. And so I'm on some of the other elevations that we can quite understand what that looks like. So we had requested this one. This will show you, this essentially is the end unit here. This would be the 16 foot wide project here. This would be the back of the, because they're alley loaded projects here. So that would be the 16 foot. And then of course, this would be the remainder of it. Just to give you an idea of what that 16 foot would look like. and then of course this would be the remainder of it just to give you an idea of what that 16-foot would look like on that. It does fit with our Future Land Use Plan which calls out for neighborhood residential. It's really hard to see and this is where I was going to try to use that laser that I always fight with. This is the location right up here where it falls into just into the yellow. We're the comprehensive plan calls for it to be that neighborhood residential with it. So in reviewing this staff did find and we worked closely with the applicant on this, that it was consistent with our comprehensive plan. When you look at the strategic planning area, it just kind of falls outside, but just again found consistency within our comprehensive plan with that. It's in your staff report, but the next few images show you the conditions that we work with the applicant on for this project. And so they're detailed in there trying to keep this moving line. And then on the next, this last slide is basically the recommendation. Our recommendation from staff was for approval with the conditions that you'll see in the staff report. With that, this did go before the last planning board meeting. They recommended or their their recommendation is for denial. Went to a vote. It was a four to vote on that. But that, and they basically adopted the inconsistency statement that was provided to them. So would you got something similar with your information? And all you see, I'll apologize. Somewhere in that the image of the site layout to what would be right along Harper Road is not in here. But you probably have it in your packet where you can look at that that shows you there will be two entrances in coming off a piece haven one one off a piece haven in the other off a harbor road as you go around that turn. So mayor trying to keep it as concise as I can but if I if a please the council I'd like to go ahead and turn Turn the table over to our attorney. So you know any questions before I leave So their request for the special use is they are looking at at their structures a little bit tighter so there's alternative compliance with that to where they would come in and they provided circulation. They met their requirements for alternative compliance by providing flow through the site, sidewalks through the sites, the open space and all as part of that. So thank you, that was a very good question. I should have covered that. So, I don't know if I was having a question. Any? OK. Thank you. Sorry, I was trying to be brief with it. Is that all right? Thank you, Madam Ward. All right. Now I will open the public hearing and I'm turning out to clerk Shorty will call upon those in the meeting. There will be 15 minutes. We're following it's 15 minutes. Up on it's six minute rebuttal for both sides. Assistant Andrew, fly will be keeping the time. Now, I warn you when you get down to the 32nd morning. So if you have some points, if you specifically wants to make sure you make, they give you 30 seconds, make that point. Okay? But we've kind of, playing this about here at this time, it's a moving target for us. Thank you for understanding that. All right, we're short, please. Okay, Nick Blackwood, if you would come forward to state your name and address, please. Mr. Mayor and members of council, my name is Nick Blackwood, Adorfore Green Valley Road and Greensboro, here on behalf of Crescent Communities, the applicant, and with me this evening, I have Tim Shaw, who's our civil engineer, and John Shank, who's a traffic engineer, and they'll be able to assist with any technical questions that you might have. So to get started, and you all have copies of the presentation materials. The first couple of pages, just to give you an idea, has to press in in their development footprint, they're an experienced developer based out of Charlotte, predominantly doing projects in the Southeast. They have a number of projects in North Carolina and most recently a similar town-owned community right down the road in Greensboro. So a record will develop herb with some high quality projects. Those are those first two slides. We can kind of glaze over those just to give you some illustrative examples of other communities that they've developed in the area. And then if you'll flip with me to slide four where it shows the community overview. So the purpose of this slide is to give a comparison between the development that was previously approved of 180 apartment units compared to the impacts of this 100 and what's now 154 unit town development. So it's really a down zoning from a density perspective. we're going, in connection with this project, you're going to see 26 less units overall. We're going to be more spread throughout the entirety of the property. We are still maintaining a significant amount of underserved area, natural tree buffer to the northeast, as you see on our sketch plan, and obviously maintaining those buffer areas along the streams that have reference. Another key point to notice, a difference between our proposal and what was previously approved, we're offering significant increase in the total number of parking spaces. And so the intent with this is to ensure that for emergency services and just safety as far as vehicular and pedestrian traffic on our site, we want to get as many cars off of the roads as we can. And so the majority of these units that you'll see have two parker lodges, space for two cars in the driveway, and then the street parking that is on the property is marked and identified, and that's accounted for with the design and construction of the street widths. So you're not going to see you know just cars parked really nilly throughout the site. There's an over abundance of parking spaces on the site of the number of units that we have. As Steph mentioned in addition to our emergency access which you'll see if you look on the south-eastern side of the property, there's that stud that goes down where there's no units adjacent to it. So that's going to be an emergency access only. There's going to be a Knoxbox fire and EMS are going to be the only folks with the code and police with access to that stud via the the Knoxbox. So that's not going to be a typical access point for these residents. We're not going to have folks coming in and out of that existing single-family community to the east. But we are adding an additional access point on to Harpur or onto Peace Haven. Sorry, the previous plan had one access on Harpur Road north of the Roundaboutabout. We're going to have an additional access point east of the roundabout onto peace haven. Just to again help with that's vehicular circulation and provide multiple points of access for and peace residents. Another key point is that the previously approved department project, permitted building height of 60 feet, we're reducing that to 40 feet from grade. So for as far as impacts on neighboring property owners, they're going to have a 20 foot reduction in what could be built on the site now for privacy purposes. With our initial proposal, and we'll touch on some of the zoning conditions that we added in response to concerns heard of the planning board meeting. But one of those zoning conditions that was shown on the site plan referenced in the table. We are installing some perimeter privacy fencing. You'll see it as a dashed yellow line, the northwest corner, and the southeast corner. And those are to address concerns heard from neighbors who live in those areas of the adjacent property following the planning board meeting. So just wanted to bring that to your attention that was not on our original subitle. It has since been added to the site plan will be binding on the property. It's also not included in the previously approved rezoning. So, feel free to stop me along the way if we have any questions we want to cover. If you'll flip with me to page 5, the next slide regarding the future land use plan and our projects compatibility with that plan. As staff reference, we think that we are in alignment with the goals of the future land use plan, more so than what was previously approved. We're including a significant amount of open space. We've designed a site to provide for ample vehicular and pedestrian access and connectivity. We're going to, as staff mentioned, we're actually going to install a sidewalk across the existing median to the south of our property that's going to connect to the new sidewalks that the town and the village is constructing. A short distance away from the public's anchored retail center and that activity center to the use of our site. So it's going to improve walkability in the area and also be installing sidewalk along I'm gonna find front as well. Moving on to slide six. I wanted to touch on a couple of points specific fire related concerns that we heard of the planning board meeting. And I wanted to draw a distinction between one of the, one of Press and communities in Charlotte that was referenced by the opposition in comparison to what this project will be here in Clemens. So on the left side of the page, you'll see another Press and development that's in Charlotte on the right-hand side of the page. You'll see our proposal. There were some concerns about our street with, paired with parking and the way that our town homes are laid out on the site as far as folks parking on either side of the street, preventing a fire truck or other emergency vehicle from access and units throughout the site. So that is a completely separate product built to standards of a different jurisdiction. We don't have any section on our site that is designed or constructed like you see on the left-hand side. As I noted earlier, all of our on-street parking is marked. And the road with along those areas are designed to accommodate that on-street parking. So sufficient space for fire, EMS, police to access, all throughout the site, following the planning board meeting and can speak to this if there are any specific questions about this meeting, but we did have a sit down meeting with the Forsyth County Fire Marshal and he acknowledged that our site plan meets all the requirements and expectations for Forsyth County Fire Services. We also had follow-up discussions with waste management. They confirm the same. So no concerns from as far as for site county fire marshal or waste management's concern as far as their ability to maneuver throughout the site with our way out. Oh, in addition to that, and you'll see it reflected in your staff report in zoning conditions. In coordination with staff, we also added a condition to prohibit combustible landscaping material between the units. Again, just to further provide assurance that we've designed these to be a safe, designed to be a safe community, and meet the requirements of your radio. So to summarize, and just to reiterate some of the staff points, we feel that this proposal is in alignment with your comprehensive plan of future land use map, the village's intent for development of this property. The traffic study was performed, and again we have our traffic engineer here to touch on the details and specifics if you have any traffic related questions. But that traffic study was performed, is accepted, and there are some recommendations for making traffic improvements. Those are reference in your staff report and obviously those will be incorporated into the site plan and they're designed to mitigate any traffic impacts that this project would have on the existing circulation around that roundabout and in proximity to our property. We're significantly enhancing the walkability of the area with the extension of the sidewalks across peace haven as well as the addition of sidewalks along our frontage. Staff has confirmed that the site plan complies with the UDO requirements, this part of our site plan specific request. And again, you know, just another point to note for your future land use plan in this area, the neighborhood serving use. We're providing an ample amount of open space preserving existing wooded areas along our boundaries to provide some tree-safe area. And we're also incorporating some walking trails and other amenities to encourage both active and passive use of the open space. We worked closely with a planning staff to craft the zoning conditions that you see in your staff report. We also took paid attention to the concerns that we heard from residents at the planning board meeting and incorporated several conditions to address those specific concerns. There's the water in here? Are these storm water devices or are these lakes or on page four? Page four. But the northeastern corner? Yeah, was it there's water, do you mind when the northeastern is going to be going to be a little bit more. Yes, so those are storm water control devices and we've actually, and maybe 10 feet feet to this, we have designed our walking trails to go around those to sort of servicen a minute of sorts. So they have to be there anyways. We wanted to use the space that we could to make them an active part of the community. Do you think I am? Any questions? Yeah. We're in a, uh, I can't remember that. Four minutes left. Four minutes to go to the next meeting. Anything to add? Address points in the rebuttal. Okay. Thanks. Thank you. As I saw, a lot of folks have signed up in opposition, so if you have a spokesperson who may like to speak, a majority that's out for you, so you can repeat the same things over and over, maybe when the sign matters, keep going down the list until you're 15 minutes Okay. We have 19 people signed up for 15 minutes. So the first one is Gene Lauer. You'll come. Let's make it up to the list. You're at the top. That's not the first. And it'll be the first time. So I'm Gene Lauer from 2310 Harper Road. And I'd ask anyone in opposition to this plan to please stand and remain standing for the next few minutes. So this all sounds wonderful, except we don't live in Charlotte. For the ones here, we're Clemens, most of us are raised and spent most of our lives here. I'm not saying a plan like this in the Clemens area, and the question really gets down to the density. That's what's challenged here. The best use for this property is residential. The question comes in to what density would be allowed by the town. So if you look back on the previous rezoning, yes, this is a down zoning. You can went from eight and a half units to about 7.12 units per acre on this plan. The, what comes, what is not mentioned is the impervious surface went up 50% from the previous plan. Now we've lived in climates. We've all dealt with a stormwater issue here. We're experiencing it today. And I'm saying there's an S attached to this rezoning one because of the impervious increase. Yes, it falls below the maximum, but it's still an increase from the earlier. So then we look at accessibility. Why not put a road going in, a future road into the rights property for future expansion? There will be a day the rights property is going to be part of this village and I would think now is the time to plan for that. They are also asking for an alternative setback for the buildings. And that is nothing more than asking for more density. Why not hold your density, your setbacks at 10 and 10, which is 20, versus the 15, what they're asking for? So when you add all these little components together, they're building more roofs. So when you look at the plan in detail and just briefly, you have this alley loading. You have five feet plus a minus a concrete coming off the alley and that's going to allow two cars into the garage. I challenge that. I don't think that makes sense. It's not practical. Every community you go into, the garages are full of what we collect. So they're going to be parking in these alleys. These alleys are private. Every road in this community is private. So when you have adverse weather, when you have an issue, when you talk about giving access to the fire trucks and life safety coming into the community, what's going to happen when the road by the HOA is not snow plow? What's going to happen when there's cars parked in the alley and you got to make an emergency run into the community? And ladies and gentlemen, it's a function of density. That's what we're talking about. Residential, yes. But why so many? Why so many? And a little spot. They get so many parking places, so many parking places, 460, based upon the cap needed of 300 and so on. They're all parked in the road. They're not going to be parked in the garage. They're going to be parked in the parallel parking along the curb. They're going to be parked out in the roadway in the alleyways and it's going to be an issue for everyone in the community. Why is it to more parking, pulling, parking at the pool area? There is not. Everybody's going to ride their bike. That's the thought here. We're going to ride our bike and we're going to walk to the pool with our kids. But there's no parking. So why don't we lessen the density, maybe give a little more logical process to help the neighbors are going to move within the within the development. Is this opening the door for what the village of Clemens wants to do across Harper Road on the property you all? You know there's been talk of town homes being built on that property. We have roughly 300 signatures here in opposition to this rezoning within a two mile radius. It affects us if we live in the county or if we live inside the community here in the village. But today's the day to make a change and make a statement. Why more roofs and tighten them in and put them so tight in a small piece of property. Why do you let the impervious surface go on more stormwater we deal with here in the community? So I'm going to shut up. There's not normally way to operate. And I'm going to ask you to consider putting connector a future straight connecting into the rights property, a turnout, do not go along with the alternative compliance. Keep your setbacks, as your ordinance says. Consider these private drives and the maintenance thereof by the HOA, the width of those roads, have you considered the impact to the schools? You're talking about moving 500 people out on this piece of property. Thank you. The next one is Rachel Krue. Rachel Krue. Please follow me. Right, right, right, right. All right. Did you call me? Rachel is what we were on. Rachel. I signed the IDOL. Okay. Joel McCombs. All right. Please end up. Cerm man writes. My power property is directly adjacent. And the rights he's talking about building the road on, that's me and my brother and my father. We've been living on this property for roughly 250 years. My family's been here. We like our privacy. We like it quiet. And I know the land's going to be developed somewhere some way. And that's fine. But it's just like Mr. Lauer said, why does it have to be 150 some houses? Why can't they just be just a nice neighborhood, something where people can go and live there and not over crowd climates. I don't know if you driven up and down Peace Haven Road and Lewisville Clemens Road will have recently, but I mean sometimes acts at 10 minutes at the end of my drive way just to get out. And they're talking about building a road on peace haven. Well, the previous council said, you can't do that. You shouldn't do that. And everybody's going to have to come out and turn right and go around the roundabout and where they're going to go. They're going to go around the roundabout and they're going straight back to clean. And the schools, when school lets out, traffic is backed up from peace havens, little climber and intersection past willot race or the willot race apartment complexes. There's just too much traffic in the roads cannot handle it. As far as the road coming in from the rights property, that's news to me. I mean, I'm not going to let it happen. But I don't know. Where's it going to stop? I mean, right now, Plyments is bushing at the same traffic and people in the schools. I say, just build 30 or 40 nice homes for people who can come and live. That's all I say. And as far as the last meeting we had at the books before this one, whenever we're talking about rezoning, the zoning meeting, the gentleman from Crescent up came back, turned around and said to my wife, if you give us an entrance, we'll build you a privacy fence. Well, I'm not giving them an entrance, but they're saying they're going to build a privacy fence. Well, that's great. Who's going to maintain the privacy fence when she gets it? So what's your home's in your garden? Who's going to maintain it? Is it the HOA or is it Crescent? I'll send an email but nobody answered me back, so I don't know. I mean I want to be a good neighbor, I don't, you know, I know something's going to come back there and my privacy is going to go away. I just don't see why it has to be 160 houses. Thank you. No, we're six and a half minutes left. Alps. I'll just give it a big one. And I'd like to say that's my brother. And you know, our family's been on that property for years. I don't know. Long as I can remember, I was born pretty much raised there. You know, then the land, it was cleared off right there just here recently was my dad's old home place. I'm like my brother, I mean they're not going, the houses of stuff are not going to directly offend me because I'm away from them. But let's like, I've always said all along, somebody's got to do something about this traffic. Now, when they widened Los Fuplimans Road. we asked them, I asked them myself to take that heel out right there. They said they would. They didn't do it. We try to pull out of our driveway now, or turn in, and nine times out of a 10, you've got to go just like, you can't do it like you're supposed to. Because for police officers who are doing this, you get a ticket for it. Because that's the only way to get in and out. I mean, if you keep adding all this traffic, they got to go somewhere. And as far as like a road through our property, I'm with my brother on that, that ain't gonna happen. If I got anything said, that's. And somebody said something about the right property, becoming a part of Clemens somewhere in time or another. Well, I don't know what you do. Ain't nobody said nothing to me about it. And I've been there so far, 22 years. So first thing is going on, you might want to let us know what's going on behind the scenes before you just up and do it Far as that the place over I just something like my brother I See just just the messes want to see the thing the kind of is a built next door to mom and dad up there Sugar built those and when they started they said oh, we're gonna leave trees We're gonna do all of it. They didn't do a that blame thing to sit there We going to do it. When they're not able to place out and plan some little pine trees along that fence up through, then that was their trees that they said they were going to do. So if you're going to let these people do this, they need to do what they say they're going to do. Because like I say, once they've done and sold all the houses, Who's going to take care of all of maintaining? I maintenance. Somebody's got to look after it in 15, 20 years down the road and go to a wilderness, I still be here there. You've got to have to do something about this traffic. Now that's just the bottom line. If you try to leave our driveway at 4.30 in the afternoon, you forget it. You can't get out unless somebody lets you out. And then, I mean, if you got a big vehicle, you can't make that turn. But something to consider before you let them do this is, you know, what are you going to do about all this traffic? I mean, if you, if you didn't look at that part of it, that's where you need to start. Because it's just, it's just too much having. I mean, we can't handle it. That's all I got to say. Janet, love lives? I'm not going to speak. I just wanted it to be counted that on the post-election. Because we let it backwards at the Village Club and we don't want any connection to that neighborhood but through our neighborhood and causing a lot of unnecessary driving past it with kids. Cynthia? Ruhla? Ruhla. I said that much. She said that. I was in the training month. Okay. Kelly Spraws. I'll's. OK. Kelly Strauss. OK. Grace Hepler. Sandra Strauss. Jeff Womble. OK. Steven. I'll pass. OK. Harry Luther. Yes. Okay. I live at 2184 Harper Road and I say y'all, the village, someone here, a four-page typewriter report. I hope y'all read it. The entire comments were based on flaws to the four studies that were presented. And so I'll just hit the high spots. The traffic studies in numerous places were referenced as being from 2009 to 2023. was based upon what traffic existed in those years and then they added a certain percent per year after that. These studies do not consider what exists today. IE traffic is horrible on piece haven and harper roads. Look at metal arc. Metal arc has been horrible and has lasted for years and it has much less going or start down having much less than we do. We got the white, we got a rest home, several communities there. The study said there would be 1100 so odd cars added. And that's alive because there's many more cars than there were in those past years and you can't just add percentages you got to go about what exists now and then come up from there. Also the sewer work adjacent to the creek on Harper Road, I hope that doesn't mean that it's a foregone conclusion that everybody's going to go ahead with this project because it appears to be that way because it's coming on up to Hill and last comment, a Florida company wants to develop this. These people have zero concern about the people who live here who are very, very against this rezoning. That's about all I can say.. Hey John and Donna Davis We just signed up to be Jake who's he More and more Thomas. Tom and Sharon Mcguire. Yeah, I would like to yield our time to someone present and can talk about the traffic situation because the traffic on Marker Road in the last five years seems like it's doubled And I don't even think we have a speed limit on Harper Road. It must be up seven. Okay. I think it's 40. It's 40. It's 40. It's 40 people. I think it finds something to do with it. Right. So, you know what the season is? Okay, I'll let him speak to that in my buzz? There's two more people that sign up, Wyatt and Candy. We haven't had that. All right, good evening. My name's Watt. Command, I live in 1998 Harper Road. We've talked about the traffic on Louisville Clemens and on Peace Haven. And we all know how bad that can be. On Harper Road, between Styrospherry, which we live closer to Styrospherry than we do to Peace Haven, but between Styrospherry and Peace Haven, there's about 100 homes, like counted mobs, and on Google Maps. And now we're adding 150. And that one entrance, everybody is either going to have that leaves this new development. Is either going to have to turn right to off of on Peace Haven and go through the circle, or turn right or left on the Harper one. And if they're turning left, they're going through the circle. And if if they're turning right they're going up harbor. An addition of 500 or 600 people in those 154 units, we feel will impact, everybody who lives on harbor feels that that's going to impact our traffic a lot on the harbor road. And so I would like to hear that being addressed as well. Thank you. Alright, and there's 39 seconds left for Jeff and Sarah Watkins. Move ahead. Okay. All right. So that is all the opponents, but I know that they wanted to yield some time for the traffic engineer to speak. Okay. And, um, is that your traffic engineer? No, they want to press it. Okay. We'll go to the tunnel. You may like to hear about it. Right, sure. Again, Nick Blackwood, 804 Green Valley running Greensboro. Just going to very quickly touch on a couple of points and then I'm going to turn things over to Tim and John to deliver some of the technical details related to traffic. So one point that I neglected to cover in my initial presentation, I heard a concern from the first gentleman about how was the HUA going to enforce parking throughout the community and ensure that the spaces that we have on site are being utilized appropriately. One of the changes that we made following the planning board meeting in response to that concern was that we incorporated a zoning condition where we're going, even though these are privately owned and maintained streets, let's see. The standards of chapter 71 of the Clemens Code of Ordnances will be adopted into the restrictive governance of the community, which will give the town the ability to enforce and regulate parking per that chapter within our community. So, I wanted to make note of that point just as far as, you know, from a parking standpoint, the ignore circulation on site. There's such a long journey. You speak up. Yeah. Because there's so much of all I can hear here. Sure. Sure. So one of the zoning conditions that we added in response to a concern heard at the planning board meeting was a requirement to adopt a provision of the clements code of ordinances that will allow the village to regulate and force and maintain parking restrictions on site. So privately on the streets, privately maintained, but the village will have the authority to enforce parking regulations within our community to address that concern. That's not clear for that from my. That additional district to come in and for the HOA to enforce the village will not be coming out to a winner ticket. But the HOA will have that capacity. But the restrictions mirror from the bill. Make a little, make a little. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. As far as specific points with respect to the improvements made, pursuant to our traffic report, I'm going to let Tim cover some of those. But yeah, John wants to give you the free feel on the traffic, but I just wanted to address some of the concerns. for the It was mentioned that this project will be doubling the impervious count on this one. It is a lot more impervious for going from 30% to 45% it's not quite doubling but I understand the concern there. I would say that we have to meet all the stormwater requirements of the village of Clemens. And what that means is whatever leaves our site from the terms of stormwater flow in the pre-existing condition for a certain storm event, we have to attenuate that. Therefore have a size of a palm that can store that amount of water and release it slowly. It's a void that is increasing for that form of water. So, whether it's 30% or 45%, our pond size of the changes is too complicated. So, I just want to make sure we address your concern about storm water. We do have to address that either way. But then, a lot of the previous studies being added is parking, parking, which was a main concern on this whole project and brought up through Plainy Board. So we feel that that added purview is very much needed to have that adequate fire flow drop the site and ensure there's no burn CBA classes issue. So just wanted to address those two items and all that, John's being productive. How do you go all from these ponds? They'll be fencing around ponds for fall safety. You think they won't crawl over? Add her? Okay, help them. Mayor, help them. Okay, wait. Now, do you know how to run the speaker list? You'll have to level them when you finish. All right. Thank you. Carry on. But yeah, no, that would be false safety on the ponds, but that's all we can really enforce from our standpoint. And then obviously the nature way will happen. It's a billion force for the private development. From the engineering standpoint, that's what we have. Two and a half minutes or a whole minute of pro bonnets, rebuttal. So I know they kind of want to hear some of this. Yeah, I do it all. But, okay. I'm John Schicks, so I'm with the from DRMP. We completed the traffic study for the project. Just a quick overview of the traffic study. So we evaluated a handful of offsite intersections. The study was scoped with both the village and MCDOT. The scoping process really just lays out the parameters for the study. So it includes what intersections will be looked at, the scenarios that we'll look at, and then it also includes things like the growth rate, I think that somebody mentioned, as well as other developments that are occurring in the area that should be backward into the traffic counts. So to clarify, our traffic counts were actually collected in December of 2023. So that's why we went out and we actually did starting movement counts at each of the intersections and that's the baseline data that was used for this study. So we then evaluated three conditions. We evaluated the existing condition out there. We evaluated the future condition without the development and then a future condition with the development. So in the future we add the growth rate as well as the adjacent developments in the area, so that you can get a good apples, apples, comparison of the no builds, build conditions, really hone in on what are the impacts from this subject development. So as someone mentioned, this development is about 160 dwelling units. That equates to about 80 peak hour trips. So if you think about it, we evaluate the AM and the PMP periods in a traffic study. So if you think about it in the morning, your residential peak hour peak direction is going to be outbound, so it's going to be folks leaving to go to work. So there will be about 60 people or so in that peak hour with 160 dwellings, exiting the development in morning. A simple way to think of that is about one car per minute. Oh, that's a big respectful guy. Be courteous. Joe, what cleanness is? Do you want something round him? Guy boat? Thank you. So about 60 cars to be exiting the development in the morning. And these are based on published standards that are used nationwide by the Institute of Transportation Engineers. So that would be about one car per minute essentially leaving. If you were to break it down by that, then the evening is the reverse. It's people coming home from work. So again, we've got 60 cars coming into the development. All the intersections that we looked at, they were graded, kind of on a grading scale, in school, from a level of service perspective. A, through goes all the way through graph. And I have all the specific results that I was interested in, you know, one intersection in particular, but what I will say is all the intersections operate an acceptably per NCDOT and the village's standards, which is a level of service D or better, specifically the roundabout, we really looked at their P-Save-in and Harper Road, actually operates at a level of service A in the future condition with the development as well. So there's about 10 seconds of delay or so on the intersection, but that's well within typical standards of what the state and the village would allow. So again, our study was submitted. It was reviewed and approved by the village and by NCGOT. Yeah, it was approved by both agencies. So I'm happy to answer any specific questions. If you sound up and. Okay. Great. The opposed was speaking... All right. I'll be able to speak with the opponent. Revolved down. I have experience with traffic studies and I find what this gentleman is saying to be reasonable. It's not what you want to hear, but at the end of the day, the bottom line is we're adding 500 cars and 500 people into 21 acres of land. That's what we're doing. And that's where we have the heartburn. And they failed to mention, they all but doubled. Initially they told the mention, the impervious surface, which we're so sensitive to here in this community. And the thing that I understand my neighbors here can't follow is they're going to impose now not only in addition to the maintenance of the storm water ponds and the fencing and the streets because they're all private which may or may not affect the village's life safety personnel, something to consider. They're also going to have to write tickets for the ones you guys park vehicles in the wrong spot there. But you're looking at a traffic nightmare within this community. And it goes back to the opening statement, it is a function of density, why so much and so low. Do we really want town homes and the village of Clemens? Is that what we want? This guy has a right to develop his property the way he wants to, but he also ought to take in consideration our needs and what we're wish for and for the ones of us that are established here in the community. And that's where I think we're getting over past. We're getting overlooked. There's too many houses. It doesn't work. And we would ask you to reconsider to what the community has out stood up and spoke to them not about them. Thank you. I thought that the village's traffic engineers, can we horn it, is I think. I thought they found fault in their intersection studies. I thought they had a different presentation or a rendering as to what the impact is going to be. It might be something you'd want to look into. Can I say something? I'm candy. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It's three and a half minutes. Could you tell us your name? Like, you sure are candy men. 1998 Harper vote. Thank you. Okay. Thank you for letting us speak. We have our minute and the lights. What I wanted to say is we have about 100 houses on Harper Road. And we come out of our driveways, this drive with 100 feet down the road, and then 100 feet down the road, and 100 feet down the road. This will be coming out onto Harper Road, even if we go with these estimates, 30 people coming out of the same spot. Does that seem like it might be an issue? And 30 people coming out of the other spot, because he said said 60 so we'll have that. Now Mike I would question those numbers I'm not the expert but I think we're gonna have parents driving to school and people driving to work and a lot more cars on the road and teenagers driving to school so I think there's gonna be a lot more cars coming out and we we have to get out out of our driveways. We have to drive that we're making that circle adding all of those cars coming out of this one spot and it's really close to the circle. So okay I'm going to drive up to the circle but how many people are I just just see that as such a nightmare, such a nightmare for all of us, or then going in over there, but anyway, that's really what I wanted to say. I think two entrances. We have all of our entrances for a hundred families, not just on our end, and there'll be two entrances, two X's. Wow, tell me that doesn't sound like a bottle neck and that's what we're all concerned about. Thank you. Is there anybody else from the pannins or bottle? Oh, yes, I have. We've got about two minutes, so. You both want to go a minute. In my four-page typewritten report, I stated that the world knows that more than two adults will live in some of these homes, meaning that even more traffic, and then will some of these homes be rented? Is there anything that precludes that? Also, if these holding ponds are allowed to be built, one will find that the Clemens Currier will be reporting on children drowning, guaranteed because people who have swimming pools, which is just adjacent to homes, children drowning those all the time. And so it'll be easy for children to go back and drown. So. My name is Robin Omen. I live at 1106 Ponside Drive, all for Harper. So we are not part of the village. I would not include it in that, but we are directly affected because I received a letter about this meeting because we're within 500 feet of what will be affected. I wanted to know if anybody's considered Morgan Elementary School. I volunteer there. And at this point, that school is bursting in the seams. There are teachers out in the hallways at tables teaching students because they don't have run. My daughter teaches there and she has a class size of 29. So that's larger than what she's supposed to have. But she's doing that because we're already packed with the number of students that we have. So I wonder what's been addressed with the school itself and how it will be affected. The other thing is I requested a sign because getting out from Ponside Drive on Harper, you take your life in your hands. And I requested a sign for a blind drive because we have people who fly out of the circle and hit them Harper and we actually got one until somebody knocked it down and they hit it. So you know we can't even keep a sign up there much less be safe in pulling out of our drive. We have 10 families that live down Pyneside Drive and yes we're not directly part of the village but we are directly affected and so we ask your consideration of that. All right that concludes comments and we'll turn it over to council for any questions that we have. The opponents are the opponents really when they spoke. They may have three questions. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'm not sure which direction to go with the bomb, but I was relying on the power of the inside of the pair. Let's see if I can. I mean this route. First I want to go straight to the issue of traffic. First of all, I took, sir, can I ask you a name again? I took the liberty of reading your traffic impact analysis and so I got to tell you, it was top notch. I just tell you, it was well, it's so good to the layman, why make can understand where you had the one. Now, I haven't said that. As I read your traffic analysis, it seems to disqualify this project because it's a lot of people. As I read it, it says that, and I'm talking about, particularly important intersection, which is peace-aided and Lewisville Clean and Drone, will go to the level of service E. And the Clean and UDO defines level of service E as unacceptable. The foresighted County UDO says the minimum standard for traffic operations is defined as a level of service D, level of service E is unacceptable. Now there are qualifiers in the area where it talks about eventually background growth and drive it to a level of service E by 2028. It seems to me a little bit later. And that alone, there's no mitigation plan associated with that intersection. There is coming out of the development. Having said it, and I don't know if it's appropriate to ask the council or not, if we can delay this decision, because I would very much appreciate the opportunity to grind through this study to see if I understand it correctly. The conclusions and the facts that drove that conclusion to be better and for to make an important decision like this. Because like I say as've read it, I don't know now I can support something that drives an intersection of that importance by this population. 75% of the traffic coming out of this development will go to that intersection as I read your TI. That's 900 vehicles a day, et cetera, et cetera. Again, I understand how we can support that knowing that this is going to be driven to a level of certainty by this report. If we could get, I don't know what the right term is, to make extra time, to sit down and grind through it to make, to, to, I, I could really appreciate. I would be happy to take over the later time. I do think while we have people in the room, if more discussion and questions want to take place today, that's a great idea, but I'm happy to table the vote later date. Because I say, we've now got, I supported a similar thing to this about 17 years ago. We now have seven or eight years experience with this kind of growth. And we now have, we've had some big massive chunks of growth that have occurred at the same time. So I think we have a better flashlight to understand the impact of spts of growth, not just steady string growth. Like I say, if we could explore that, I'd really be appreciating it. Oh, you got it. Any other comments? Certainly, Ben, Bishop. Thank you, Mayor. One of the options that you have, and you have several options, is to continue the public health care.