Thank you. I'm going to be a little bit more careful. I'm going to be a little bit more careful. I'm going to be a little bit more careful. I'm going to be a little bit more careful. I'm going to be a little bit more careful. I'm going to be a little bit more careful. I'm going to be a little bit more careful. I'm going to be a little bit more careful. I'm going to be a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do it. you Good evening and welcome to the September 23rd Special Meeting of the Elhamber City Council. Can I get a roll call please? Lee. Mazza. Maloney. Here. Andrade Sadler. Here. please. Lee. Mazza. Maloney. Here. Andrade Sadler. Here. Res. Here. The only item on the agenda is closed session. Do we have any speaker cards from the public for this item? No matter where we do not have any speaker cards nor are there any attendees on Zoom at this time. We will now move into closed session. Mr. City Attorney? Yes. We will now move into close session, Mr. City Attorney. Yes, this evening we would request to recess in the close session to discuss the two pending litigation items listed on the agenda as well as a meeting to discuss negotiations for the groups that are listed. Great. Thank you, Mr. City Attorney. Be a recess to close session. We have reconvened from closed session. Mr. City Attorney, do you have anything to report? There is no announcement at a closed session this evening. We have now completed the item on this evening's special meeting agenda and I will adjourn the special meeting and move into this evening's regular meeting. Good evening and welcome to the September 23rd regular meeting of the Elhamber City Council. Roll call please. Lee. Here. Maza. Here. Molloni. Here. Andraudis Adler. Here. Perez. Here. Please join me in the flag of the United States of America and, the liberty and justice for all. Great, I'll go ahead and read our land acknowledgement now. We acknowledge that the land on which we are gathered is the traditional ancestral and unceded territory of the Gabrilyno-Tonkva peoples. We seek to prioritize respect for the historic culture and contemporary presence of the native peoples throughout California, especially in the greater Los Angeles, Alhambra area. We come with respect and gratitude for the Gabberlin O'Tongva people who still consider themselves the caretakers of this land. It is through their examples that we are reminded of our greater responsibility to take care of mother earth and to take care of each other. Our first item on the agenda is a public hearing regarding the Edward Burn Memorial Justice Assistance Grant for the police department. Miss City managers, they report from staff for this item. The proceedings public hearing will be done by Garrett Kennedy, Chief of Police. Good evening mayor, vice Mayor and Council Members. Tonight, the Alhair Police Department is seeking the City Council's approval for us to apply for the Justice Assistance Grant, which is also known as the Jaggerant. The Department has applied for the Jaggerant since 2008. This year's award is $11,284. The police department would like to use the funds to equip our new supervisors vehicle with upgraded technology to help us manage and run critical incidents seen more efficiently. At this time we're requesting City Council approve the amount 11,284 dollars. Thank you. Thank you. I will now open the public hearing. Do we have any speaker cards from the public for this item? Madam Mayor, we do not have any speaker cards for this item. Okay. Do we have any speakers via Zoom that was to speak on this item? If so, please raise your hand now and you will be able to unmute yourself when your name is called. I'm not seeing any raised hands on Zoom at this time. Seeing that there is no one remaining that was just to speak, I will close the public testimony portion of the hearing. Does the council have any comments or questions for staff on the site? Yes, Councilwoman Lee? Does the council have any comments or questions for staff on this item? Yes, Councilwoman Lee. Oh, yes, thank you. I'm surprised it's only $11,000. Someone is going to not happy with me. But anyway, joking aside, I think it's extremely important for us to equip our police department, our first responders, the fire department with all the technology that you needed to do your job to provide the valuable services to our public. So I'm nothing else to say, but this is something that we need, if we need that, then we're going to grant it. Thank you. Thank you. Any other comments? I have two proofs. All right, we have a motion. Can I get a second? Thank you. Any other comments? I'd like to approve. All right, we have a motion. Can I get a second? I'll second that. We have a motion and second. Can I get a roll call please? Lee. Yes. Mazza. Yes. Maloney. Yes. Andraudis Adler. Yes. Res. Yes. Our next item is a presentation regarding earthquake safety and Alhambra emergency operations after an earthquake. Miss City Manager, is there a report from staff for this item? There is tonight's presentation be given by Mike Brown, Battalion Chief. Hello honorable mayor, vice mayor, city city council city staff and The all hammer committee. I want to thank you for the opportunity to talk about earthquake safety tonight and emergency preparedness in general so we're gonna start off talking about the emergency plans that public safety both Police and fire have in place the first one is a comprehensive emergency management plan and what this is in the case of extraordinary emergency such as earthquakes, domestic incidents, technological incidents, etc. All those kinds of things that are just big and massive. We have plans in place to react and take care of those situations. And basically if you want to break it down in football terms, it's like having a playbook. So we have that in place first. But what we're really excited to share with you tonight is we're working on a local hazard mitigation plan. And what a local hazard mitigation plan, working with other city departments, pretty much everybody in this room, we're putting things into place to, it's a common strategy to assess risk and vulnerabilities, risk and vulnerabilities risk and vulnerabilities risk and vulnerabilities In the city to address them before the actual emergencies happen and so We're gathering all types of information. We'll have a plan in place and those deal with everything from earthquakes heat emergencies floods etc What it also will do, it will increase understanding of the risk that the city of Alhambra faces. Also, something really exciting, it's gonna help develop a sustainable and resilient community for the citizens of Alhambra. So we're really looking forward to that. Next slide, please. So this is straight out of the great shakeout. What we teach in elementary schools, what we teach in community groups, our cert program, etc., three basic commands in case of earthquake safety. Drop, cover, and hold on. Ideally, get under a table and hold that table until the earthquake stops. As you all know, we just recently had one in South Pasadena at 4.7. There was a minor one yesterday morning and one in Malibu the day before, so they are happening frequently, so we're getting prepared for that. So your fire department and police department will be ready. Next slide, please. Okay, so after earthquake happens, the police and fire department, we have three main priorities. Life will always be our top priority. There we have three main priorities. Life will always be our top priority. There's no question about it. We will take care of life. Then we'll move on to property and then we'll be concerned with environment. If you're curious what happens at the fire department, when, after an earthquake, what we do is we account for personnel. We move all of our fire apparatus and police apparatus into a safe location where we can be response ready. And then we switch to emergency radio channels through our dispatch and we wait for the influx of calls. Next slide, please. Okay. What we have done in place already in part of the hazard mitigation plan is what we call target hazards. And these are predesinated areas of high population and very important aspects of the city that we immediately do jurisdictional surveys. So we will get in the fire engines, we'll get in the fire trucks, we'll get in the police cars, and we'll go drive these areas. And those target hazards, as you can see on the list above, include everything from city yards, city facilities, schools, hospitals, bridges, freeways, you name it where there's going to be a lot of people and we need to assess and take care of emitting problems and hazards. Next slide please. Okay, as far as emergency responses, in case there is extensive damage or large scale incident, battalion chief, whoever's on duty at that point, will be responsible for initiating what we call unified command with the Alhambra Police Department. And what unified command is, it's just having one goal for public safety, one plan, one set of operations, and that we can work on the same page. We've trained on it together, and we are ready for anything that happens. So that's what unified command is. As far as the emergency operation center under the direction of the fire chief and the police chief, we will activate the emergency operation center if it's an extremely large scale incident, such as the wind events that happened a few years ago where multiple areas are the city affected. That will allow us to order resources, prioritize, and come up with a larger scheme plan. Next slide, please. At this point, I'm going to hand it over to Mary Emko. Good evening, Mayor and members of the City Council. I'm here just to speak a little bit about what our City employees' roles are during a disaster or an emergency. All of our City employees are also according to the government code official disaster service workers. What this means is after, immediately after an emergency, our employees are, you know, the protocol would be to assess and determine personal and family safety first. Following the incident, the large scale emergency or disaster employees are also asked to, they may ask to serve in the capacity, various capacities they may ask to work in, as disaster service workers in areas such as shelters or local assistance centers, serve as interpreters, delivering and dispensing supplies, assisting with damage surveys and assessment, filling sandbags and or clearing debris. And really, what it comes down to is city supervisors will call in staff as needed based on skill sets that are required to respond to the emergency. Thank you. Thank you, Maryam, and I will take the next slide, please. The next slide is council expectations. So what do we expect from all of you in the event of emergency? Similar to our city staff, we want you to assess your own personal and family safety first and foremost. You may be required to shelter in place or you may be able to check on neighbors to the best of your ability. And then the one really important key is that we will call you if we need you to come in to declare a state of emergency if things get to be that bad. And then other than that, our expectation is that you will be in your respective districts looking after them and communicating back and forth with the situations that you see or that you're coming across in your areas. So with that, I'll move back to Mike again to move on to the next slide of Council expectations. Or community expectations. So what we expected the community is to basically conduct a self-assessment, take care of yourself, activate any pre-planned action plans that your family has. The Fire Department and Police Department have stressed the point of getting an emergency kit ready, food ready, medications, glasses. The Fire Department has a list on the city's website of supplies that we like the first note to gather. And one thing we ask you to do is only call 911 when it is absolutely necessary. We will not turn down any emergency, but we ask the public not to call just to ask, was that an earthquake or things because it overloads the system. So one thing we're going to be moving into the next slide is the Community Emergency Response Team that we'll talk about in just a second if you could. Next slide, please. So a SERP program. So Council with the SERP program is if you're not familiar with the Community Emergency Response Team. We've been doing this for a couple of decades now. We have hundreds of citizens involved in the program that have gone through training. What we've transitioned to is we used to utilize them as additional resources. But what we ask of the citizens now with the community response team is to take care of yourself and take other others in your neighborhood or businesses or people you're around. Work under your scope of practice. What we train people to a certain level, basic things, such as turning gas off, turning water off, basic wound managing, victim search, searching for people. We ask the certain members, and we expect for the certain members, to work under that scope of practice, and not go above their means of training to create other problems. But just helping yourself, helping your family, helping your neighbors is a tremendous help to the Fire and Police Department in case of an emergency. So one thing that the Fire Department, Police Department is super excited about in the near future will be offering our first Mandarin Community Emergency Response Team. We're very fortunate to have one of our fire community risk reduction individuals that is going to assist in that. And so like I said in the near future, most likely in 2024 we'll be conducting our first Mandarin class, along with Cantonese. Next slide, please. This Sunday, I would highly recommend for the public to attend not only the farmers market, but in conjunction we will be having the community safety fair. At that time, there's going to be multiple vendors. Police and fire will be given demonstrations, talking about disaster preparedness. And like I said, there will be vendors such as Cut and Dry Restoration, ServPro, the Home Depot and other disaster preparedness vendors where if an individual would like to purchase products by all means they will but we are the primary purpose is to expose the community to disaster preparedness and answer any questions that they may have. So that's this Sunday in conjunction with the farmers market, 830 to 1 PM right here in front of the city hall. Next slide, please. So this goes out to the community. Two ways to notify the department if you're interested in joining any disaster preparedness or certain program program or three ways, I'm sorry. You can scan that QR code or you can go to City of Alhambra, Backslash, Emergency Prep. It will take you to a Google sheet, fill in the basic information, and we'll get you registered and contacted through that. When we will soon be promoting our community emergency response team classes so that we ask the public to either go to the city's fire department website or go send an email to Sirc, C-E-R-T, at alhambrafire.org. Send basic information and a member from the fire department will reach out to you. So we have multiple classes planned for that, both in English, Mandarin and Cantonese. At this time, that concludes my presentation along with Mariums and the City Managers. If you have any questions, be happy to answer them at this point. Great, Thank you. Do we have any speaker cards for the public for the item? Madam Mayor, we do not have any speaker cards for the item. Great. Do we have any speakers via Zoom that was to speak on the item? I'm not seeing any raised hands on Zoom at this time. Great. Does the council have any comments or questions for staff on this item? Yes, councilwoman Adelaide-Stadler? Yes, thank you so much. I know that we've had something in place for a long time. It's just important for us to see it and to share it, time and time again. And so I appreciate the Fire Department Battalion Chief doing that for us. I have a question about age. Is there an age requirement? I know you're not requiring too much, but is there an age requirement? Do we need to be an adult in order to be a cert member? So we ask it 16 and above. We do have multiple fractions and multiple opportunities and programs. What we have done in the past is we've been involved with the Elhamber University School District. We've ran what we call teen cert. And that was actually a class during high school sessions at San Gabriel High School, now a hamburger high school, where we went in during their school day and taught them the basics that I just talked about, Gasheloff, Watershedoff, how they could help their families and their neighbors and so forth. I think that's real important. I don't know if the teens in the audience heard that because we had a little bit of jovial happiness happening over on the left side here. But teens, so there is a teen group that they actually speak to regarding how to stay safe because sometimes you're not in school, you're at home or you haven't left. And many of you speak for your parents. I was just going to tell you that. So you're your translators or, you know, helping, helping win emergencies through language. Oh yes. Absolutely. Because prior to this opportunity, we weren't having Mandarin or Cantonese classes. So we were relying on the students to translate to their parents. Thank you. Thank you so much. Appreciate that. And I have my helmet at home. Your green helmet. I became mayor in 2018. That was the first thing she handed me was my helmet. So I have that. Thank you for your service. Councilmember Maloney. I don't have any substantive comments. I just want to say thank you for doing this. All staff, this is great. As a refresher, I know we have these good plans in place for a long time now, but it's always a good idea to, you know, rush up on this stuff, and especially for the public, given, you know, some of the emergencies we've had in the last few months. There's been several earthquakes, fires locally, so it's good to, it's good reminder before anything crazy happens that we have this plan in place and to refresh. So thank you. Great. Councilor Mausa. Thank you for the presentation. I think again it's a good reminder to the community that all of this is available, that we are prepared and hopefully none of this has to be used any time soon. But thank you. Absolutely. Vice Mayor Lee. I'm trying to figure out where my helmet is. Did we all get a helmet? We will get you new ones. I promise you. I think I have a helmet somewhere, but I'm serious. So I have, again, thank you for the presentation. I know that this took a long time for both the police department and the fire department to come up with this framework. I call it framework. And I know that when it comes to real action, hopefully we'll never have the real situation that there are more details that only the personnel understand what to do. So this is really sufficient for now for the presentation. And I wrote down some questions as you were speaking. I was paying full attention. Some of the things I would like to ask, I don't know who is going to respond, just going to ask the questions whoever wants to respond at the end, I appreciate that. So I'm looking at the City Employee Exitations of Duty and there's something that kind of trigger my thoughts. Let me just kind of frame it this way. When we had a Northridge earthquake years ago, some of us here remember that it was early morning and it was, I forgot it was like 6.2 but it was large enough to actually affect the El Hambra. Fortunately I don't think we had any major damages in the city but I did visit the epicenter northridge with the Red Cross volunteers. As I was in the van, we drove out with my friend. I had no idea what to do, but our job was to pass out food. So when we arrived at a local park and people were sleeping in the park, and they came up to the van and we passed out through the windows. And later on, I went to another emergency center. It was a gym and people were sleeping on cots, the families and everybody. So here's my question for the city staff, probably the city manager. During the year we ever have a major disout earthquake that will, there's some people will have to move out their homes. They came and stayed in their backyard. They will have to relocate to somewhere open, which is safer. Do we have that location already predestinated at this point? Is it going to be a park? Will the parks be available for families or people there? Can not stay in their building because they have to with that, they're red tag, yellow tag, whatever it is. That goes across the property. Where did they go? Do we have a place for them? Is the gym at the Almenza Park available for that kind of emergency shelters. So that's my first question. And then if we do have those locations, how do we make known to the public that these locations are available for you to go and who's going to organize the entry, who's going to organize, who's going to sleep where there's a lot of details that need to be worked out I'm sure it was going to be on Mansor Park as it will be open and depending on what's winter, summer, spring, whatever it is as we can imagine the weather is going to be different and who is going to walk around making sure everybody has something they need. So because we obviously won't have the luxury or internet or cell phone readily available, maybe they'll be restored in time, but these are things that I'm thinking through and I don't know, you know, I don't think I'm at the level of paranoia, I'm just at the level of thinking ahead. So that's my second question who's going to be able to How do we organize these kind of emerging shelters and also I see that the council? Oh, wait, let's get back to the Nate our public and As we all know we are supposed to prepare for ourselves We cannot rely on the city or far department police department to provide any emergency services to food, water. We're all responsible to stock up for supply of either three months or six months. I don't remember what the, for California might be, 30 days, maybe minimum. But I saw a page where it says that the public is expected to look out for their neighbors and which I do agree. So what is the, we're all limited in terms of search and rescue abilities. That's just regular residents. So if we see someone who is stuck in their house, you know, the door might be jammed. We hear people talking, say, well, they want to get out, or maybe an elderly person. What can we do? Because at that point, I'm not sure the fire department will be able to get there to help us. So that's a concern that I have, and I'm not sure if we have a response for that. Will there be some limited amount of patrolling maybe around the neighborhood just to see who really needs help. You know, somebody may actually want to walk to the fire station and see somebody there if they're closing up. Because you do your fire station on first street you have neighbors around just so don't be surprised. I'll walk to your department and say, I need help. That's some of the things that I'm thinking about. And City Council expectations. If ABLE check on neighbors to the best of ability, hopefully I'll be healthy with my helmet. But what do I do next if I find my neighbor needing help? These are things that are left open ended at this point with this presentation. And so I'm welcome all sort of any response that you have at this point. And perhaps if we cannot get through these details today, tonight, maybe we can bring back more details later. I do remember last night I asked for the input for our both police shoes. I thank you so much for being able to do this in a timely fashion. So all my questions are legitimate. So hopefully someone can answer right now. If not, then I'm perfectly open to later on with more communication with the answers. I'd be happy to answer. So your first question regarding locations. We have identified, you already mentioned the Almanza gym, Grenada Park as a facility. It's ongoing process through this local Hatters mitigation plan. We will have multiple city facilities in place. We have identified some at this point in case emergency. If you go back to the bird flu or COVID-19, we did practice run through is that, Almanza Jim, it's Almanza Jim, just for that fact. Your second question, can you remind me, I'm sorry. So in terms of city announcements. Oh, city announcements, I'm sorry. How do we let the public know that the gym is available or certain parks are available at what time and when can you enter with your belongings and things like that? So our two point means of focus right now is I believe the city's doing a fantastic job on social media. Through multiple platforms. So we will immediately get that out with the approval of the police and fire chief. And obviously working with other city other city departments and city assets. We'll get the social media is absolutely huge in today's environment. Secondary one is this is why we ask the community to register through the city of Alhambra Fire.org backslash the emergency prep that we talked about. Because once they fill out the Google sheet, we have a list in a registry of people that need to be contacted through multiple different software programs. And whether they still have a landline or a cell phone, we will still make the attempt and get out to those people. We will do the jurisdictional surveys like you talked about driving around the areas. And if any of your neighbor is stuck, elderly needs help, whatever it may be. I don't want to play down or de-emphasize the importance of calling 911. If it's an emergency, by all means, the city of Alhambra, we're very fortunate. We work in a system with surrounding cities where we have a mass mutual aid system and an automatic aid system, where we will pull resources from all the areas around us to mitigate any 911 or emergency calls in the area. So we take a lot of pride in our hamburger fire department to take care of the citizens of the community. But if we need to pull in the San Gabriel or San Marino fire departments or South Pasta, we will. One way or another, we are going to take care of all 9-1-100 emergencies. Okay, thank you. I have a question. Do we, does the city have a PA system? Or does the police have a PA system? We do not utilize nor is it recommended to use a PA system. It's not recommended to use a PA system. No. Okay. I'm just concerned that if the focus for the mean, I think you mentioned social media was it is going to be the mean way to disseminate information. You know, when we have a major earthquake, I don't think people are gonna have access to electricity than the internet's down. Cell phone could be issued. I think texting might be a way to go, but so I'm just feeling that there might, we should think about a brings to another option to make the announcement. That's why I asked about whether we have a PA system. The reason I asked it because I was at a Rosemee event, the vendor do say that there are a PA system available for a city to purchase. So I'm just wondering whether that's something that we can think about. And I think overall communication, effective, timely communications is the most important concern I have right now because if we heavily rely on social media, people already are having problems with just getting information from social media. Some people are telling me that they don't even go on social media. They tend to be more of the low tech. Understood. So we have to figure out a tend to be the more the low tech. Understood. So we have to figure out a way to reach out to them as well. So that's just a suggestion that we like both departments to think about that we have to reach out to those people. Don't leave, we can't leave them behind. And so a lot of questions for tonight is, you mentioned the third program, and I think that's a great thing to have. And we need to continue with that. So these people, they're a sort of SERP program certified, whatever you call a graduates. They are automatically called to help during the disaster time. Today, have to report to anybody, Are they just automatically going to action? So the old recommended system was to report to different locations. That is not the case today. It changed multiple years ago, where the focus of cert at this time is to take care of themselves in their immediate vicinity, their neighborhood, their business, their school, the immediate surrounding area that they're in. Okay, so they're instructed that they're going to just take care of their own surroundings. Maybe within the block or a school nearby. Correct. Based on their best of their ability. So a perfect example of this was approximately six months ago. We did what I didn't even touch on this one, but another cert, we have cert, teen cert, and then we have birth. Well, birth is the business emergency response team. In the LA County building Atlantic and Main Street, we went in there and we taught that any employee interested, the same curriculum that we would teach the teens or the adults English Mandarin Cantonese. And so they've been instructed to take care of just that business in that immediate area. Okay, that's great. So, do they have any IDs or badge when they are during the emergency? Do they have to display the badge or any sort of ID to show that they're served? They do. Okay. They do. Okay. They have a uniform? They have a green helmet, a green vest, and identification card. So where they're registered through the LA County, the Cert Department of LA County that oversees all of the Cert operations. So I think the Council should have a special Cert Program. I don't mind blending with a crowd, but I think it would be important for my personal opinion is that I don't know about my council, my fellow council members. I feel that the City Council maybe should be able to be trained for emergency situations. It could be a small group or whatever that you feel is appropriate and it all works with the City Manager. I'm not certified. I don't go through a serve program but I think that if the council is expected to do something then I think that if the council is expected to do something, then I think we should be trained. The fire department is always here to help anything that's needed or any opportunities by all means. We are here to help. Thank you very much for your response. Thank you. I want to again thank staff and you know all of our fire department for putting this together, this presentation. I really appreciate it. It's definitely helpful to have an update on this. I know there's a couple of things that have happened recently. We just had our earthquake that was over here in South Pasadena and I know that we've been dealing with wildfires as well so I think it's important that we have these kinds of emergency response conversations. I appreciated that. Vice-meyer Lee brought up the CERT program and as participating I would certainly love to participate myself. I think we all should and everyone here I'm glad you're here at this meeting so you can be informed about the program. You know, my question that I had was just in regards to, I know when we discussed this item, we wanted both an update on just what the general kind of overview was when an emergency happened, but we also talked about some other policy pieces, particularly like soft story requirements, potentially taking a look at that. Is that something that's going to be on another item? I just wanted to ask the city manager. So building requirements for the soft story was not included in this. If you wanted us to bring back something along those lines, although I'm not sure what, the council wanted to consider what maybe new permitting requirements there maybe we'd be happy to take a look at that. I think what I'd appreciate first is if you could maybe just send us in our information packets. Some of what the software requirements are that they have, I think out in like North Ridge and some of those areas because I know that they've instituted some city policies. So I'd love to take a look before moving forward with asking for something on an agenda. Yeah, no problem. I'm happy to forward it. Excellent. Great. I think that's pretty much it. Thank you so much. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Mayor. Appreciate your presentation. Thanks. Excellent. So this item is an informational report for the City Council so no vote is required. Our next item is a presentation regarding home occupation permits. Miss City Manager is there a report from staff for this item? There is. This evening's presentation will be given by Andrew Ho, Director of Community Development. Good evening Madam Mayor, members of the City Council. At the June 24th City Council meeting. The Council requested information regarding home occupation permits to discuss whether or not changes were needed to the existing code. The Council asked for several questions that I'll cover in tonight's presentation, including how antiquated our home occupation forms. Our code was recently updated in 2024 with the comprehensive zone code update that modernized a lot of the terms and vernacular in the code, and as such, all of our forms are updated accordingly to that. With regards to current regulations, home occupations regulate the residential appearance of the home. A home occupation can't change kind of the physical appearance of the home and has to look like a home to be utilized. The location of the home occupation, the business has to occur within the home. And with regards to that, there's a floor area limitation to 25% of the home or 100 square feet, whichever is less. And then general regulations for nu-senses, home occupation can't create any offensive or objectionable noise, dust vibration, smell, smoke, etc. In terms of what's allowed and not allowed in a home occupation, there's a wide variety of businesses that are allowed there, including consulting services, educational services, home health care and therapy services. Since the pandemic, a lot of employees are now working from home. This type of remote working for an employee does not require them to pull a home occupation because the general business or corporation that they're working for would have a business license in their commercial location. What is prohibited as a home occupation? There's a list in the code including automotive vehicle sales and other types of automobile services, hotels and motels, hospitals, clinics, and other types of uses are specifically spelled out as prohibited because of its intensive nature in a residential neighborhood. With regards to a mobile business license, there was a request from a resident to obtain a home occupation for a mobile automotive repair business. The business would have entailed repairing vehicles outside of the home and also visiting other people's homes to repair the vehicles. The request for the home occupation was denied because of the nature of the use. So it was outside of the home rather than inside of the home and it didn't meet with the spirit and intent of the home occupation of not being disruptive to adjacent neighbors. And we did receive a few complaints about that from the neighborhood. Although that that been said, the business, you know, it wouldn't preclude that business or any other business from using a bedroom inside the home as a home office to process the paperwork. And lastly with the new code update, the home occupations do allow for cottage food operation and home kitchens consistent with county and county laws and will be monitoring that as that industry grows and potentially come back with additional regulations of its negatively impacting residential neighborhoods. At this time following a review of the newly adopted codes, considering neighborhood impacts, we're not recommending any changes to the home occupation regulations available for any questions. Great. Thank you for that presentation, Andrew. Do we have any speaker cards from the public for this item? Madam Mayor, we do not have any speaker cards for this item. Do we have any speakers via Zoom that was to speak on this item? I'm not seeing any raised hands on zoom at this time for the item. Great. Does the council have any comments or questions for staff on the item? Councilwoman Andrade Stappler? Yes, first of all, I want to thank Andrew Hofer giving putting this presentation on. I know that we had several people from the residents who were interested and we needed to take a look at what is what we're able to do and even environmentally what we're able to do right. I mean, when you think in terms of having businesses that work outside the house, they're going to have an environmental impact in one way or another. So I just appreciate the work you've done been done and I'll move to approve. I have a few questions. Okay. Vice-Marley. Thank you. I have a few questions. It looks like it's been, it was updated a couple of times. The last thing was 2018, most recently, 2024. So I don't really see any particular issues with our permit program or policy. I have a few questions about the automotive repairs. What if someone wants to just help out a neighbor or a occasional car repair on the driveway or in front of the house, is that do they have to plan for a permit? Because being there is so infrequent. And what is a qualification? What qualifies as a business in terms of hours and days and what will be considered just personal services? Yeah, I think if a neighbor to neighbor were helping out somebody and it didn't create a disruption where another adjacent neighbor would be complaining and if it was kind of a one-off situation probably not a big deal. No home occupation needed. But if the business is advertising on Yelp, if the business is regularly and there's a defined pattern of advertising their services to help others, regardless of what they say, they're advertising a business and there's an exchange of money going on. And it's no longer neighbor versus neighbor helping each other out. It's a bona fide business. Especially if there's a pattern and the neighborhood starts calling City Hall to complain. At which case then they would need a permit of some sort. And in that situation if they were to come to the department then the home occupation would be denied. So let me think I see by heart you correctly. So if there's a regular pattern of service provided or an end or an worth advertising, then we consider a business so they cannot say just some individual help. Okay. And I have another question about um Oh, I think it's on page the last page. Sis, I'm just gonna try recall something about personal services are not permitted. Cannot be a issue of permit. What about someone giving piano lessons seeing their instead their house? And they have students coming in now, maybe like three or four per day. That's allowed. That's allowed, right? Okay, so because it wasn't delineated, it wasn't defined. So that kind of business is allowed and they can't apply for permit. Okay. So maybe we can, can we actually be more specific? Um, is it right now? Is it personal service or personal services are not permitted? But not including so they're exceptions, but what I just asked you is allowed. So maybe it would generate more questions for you. We generally don't get those requests at the front counter. And a lot of times the nature of those types of businesses wouldn't trigger them to require or obtain a home occupation, but if they came into City Hall to get one, we would provide one to them. Okay, so that's allowed. There are some, I think especially during the pandemic, there are some people that started making food inside their house and deliver or get picked up at their homes. That doesn't sound like the allowable because there's no restaurants or allows that. Does that phone that category? That's the cottage food operation, so I'm kitchen categories that is allowed. Okay, sounds good. All right, thank you, that's all I have. Great, thank you. I have a motion, although I think this is just an informational report for the city council. So no vote is required. We'll go ahead and move on to our next item on the agenda this evening, which is the consent agenda items. Numbers 4 through 26. Do we have any speaker cards from the public for any of the consent agenda items? Yes, Madam Mayor. We have speaker cards for item number 4 and item number 17. Okay, great. So item number four and item number 17. And I'm seeing to recuse myself like last time for item number four, thinking I think there are public speakers. I'll just say the reason is to avoid as a homeowner to avoid, as a homeowner to avoid a perception of conflict interest in the future. All righty. Do we have any speakers? Are you know, I'll go ahead and, do we have any speakers via Zoom that was to speak on any of the consent agenda items? I am seeing several raised hands. We can ask each person what item it's for. Okay. Yes. Why don't we go ahead and unmute Barbara Messina. Hi, Barbara. What item would you like to speak on for the consent agenda? Barbara, can you turn the volume up on your device? You can't hear me. We can hear you now. Okay. Item number four. Okay. Thank you. Can we unmute Eric Ma, please, and ask him what item? Hi. My name is Eric Ma, and I would like to talk about item number four. Okay. Thank you. And then we have Chef Cordelia Catering. Yes, hi, my name is Cordelia Culver and I wanted to speak on item number 4 as well. Okay, great. And then the last raised hand would be John Bwari. Yes, this is John Bwari and I also would like to speak on number four. Okay, thank you very much. All righty. So we're going to go ahead and pull both items number four and items number 17. Can I get a motion to approve the rest of the balance of the agenda? So moved. Second. Great, we have a motion to second. Can I get a roll call please? Maloney. Second. Great. We have a motion. A second. Can I get a roll call please? Maloney. Yes. Mazah. Yes. Andraudy Stadler. Yes. Press. Yes. Great. So we will go ahead and move on to item number four then of the first reading of an ordinance, adding chapter 5.92 to the Alhambra Municipal Code to establish regulations for short term rentals. We have a number of speaker cards for this item, so I'll go ahead and go through the speakers we have here in person first, then we'll go to Zoom. Reagan, Kennedy. Hello, thank you, Councilor Mumbers. We would like to request this item be removed for separate consideration and not enacted in the single motion. Thank you. Our next speaker is Mr. Richard Wong. Mr. Richard Wong. Yes. Um. Hi, guys. Council members. I'm Richard. Rich Wong. I have every being a Humbera. And it's been very good for me and my family. And also the community too. Because we're able to use funds to clean up the yards and make the front like really nice and water the grass make it you know very presentable inside and outside and then we're also self-regulated so like in Airbnb there's rating systems if you look at have you guys been to Airbnb before? Any of you guys? All of you guys? One, two, three, four. So you can actually choose between five stars and I don't think they go below 4.5 star. So it's very self-regulating. I don't think the government needs to really get involved with the Airbnb platform, actually. And having the regulations, you're going to have to produce another department and it's going to be just another barrier for people to utilize their assets and to create economic value to the committee and for themselves. So I think I wouldn't propose the dissolution and that's my main thing. Also I would if you want to really regulate Rentals I would regulate the long-term rentals like I'm a property manager and I've seen like houses apartments condos all kinds of different rentals and Like really bad neighborhoods and good neighborhoods. Like a lot of the Airbnb are actually in good neighborhoods because the travelers, they don't wanna be, they wanna be, they wanna be safe. They wanna be in a calm and quiet neighborhood. And so Airbnb's usually are in good neighborhoods compared to like apartments. Like that's where you need to really regulate to make the city a better community. It's apartments like the mommy pop landlords They don't know what they're doing and they just accept any kind of tenant that will pay the rent and They don't know if they're like gangsters or like drug dealers and they don't really screen them very well unless they have a proper manager and even then it's hard to they don't really screen they just want to make sure they pay for the rent and on time and they don't make any problems and that's the main thing for the long-term mentors they don't really care but for like Airbnb you have to have like you have to have like, you have to have your place clean, neat, and it's, you have to have your cleaner there too. So I have my, actually, my neighbor is my cleaner. So I actually give them, you know, economic opportunities. The clean is like, I think like 40,000 a year for them. So they can just like, they don't have a job, they're just working for me. So it's pretty nice. Also for, yeah, to regulate, I think you should do the apartments that long-term ones. You should regulate, say like, say I have a cap on credit score for individuals. And you can also do a background check minimum, like so many violations and so forth. That would be easier to regulate, actually. You could tell a property owner or the landlord to hand over the, have to have them hand over the credit scores and also the background check that's should be standard Not a lot of landlords like mommy pop ones will do that to do the proper checks for the Where the renters and they stayed there for a long time and they could cause a lot trouble and Short-term rentals. They're just there for one or two days and they're gone and you could check your property and see if they if it's like clean if there's like clean if there's like leaks on their toilets or sinks it's much better that's why I didn't mind my house as a short-term rental because I don't want a long-term rental I picked the wrong person and they just like they bring in all their family and like their their uncles are there their grandparents are there They bring in the dog you don't even know they don't tell you so It's like it's chaos for long-term rental. I think short-term rentals are actually more stable and it's actually self-regulating through the five stars and people rating each other. You can even choose the people that come into your rentals from, they have ratings for the guests and also rating for the host. So they actually know each other kind of, they can say, oh, I want five stars. I want a four star. And so forth. If there's below a three, you can actually talk to them. You see, why are you three star? Mr. Wong. And your five minutes have a lapse. OK, sorry. Yeah, but thank you. We'll go ahead and move on to our next speaker. OK. So our next speaker is Miss Shirley Totsuno. Good evening. Excuse me. Mayor Perez and City Council members. I kind of disagree with the man that just spoke because I am an apartment owner and I do check. I vet my people. I do check the FIQO scores. We do intense vetting. That's why I feel we're pretty successful. People get along and we have a quiet building. Anyway, I just want to say on August 26, 23-4, I do not speak on the issue of short-term rentals, but I think as Mayor Perez and some others have said they should be banned because this takes away rentals for people who want to live here on a full time basis. Isn't that why we had to re-zone for 6,825 units. Maybe seven to eight years ago, I considered offering a short-term rental of one apartment for the potential of making more money. However, after talking with Brian, we decided we didn't want to be running a hotel room which would be more work for us and taking a chance that the guest or guest would disturb our tenants, which we have worked hard to vet. And as I said, our tenants are quiet and everybody gets along and I try to take good care of my apartment and it does vary though. I understand that's true in terms of owners. 500 units is a lot of units to take out of normal rental business. But I do like that 500 units, and this is, I should say this is how I understood it, is that the 500 units have to be owned by 500 different owners in the city. And like only in the case of a condo complex, different owners could have short term rentals in the same complex. And say for instance for a four unit apartment building, there can only be one short term rental. And the SDR permit has to be renewed each year. I was kind of curious how much does it cost? And I like the fines of 1500 for offense 1, 3000 for offense 2, and 5,000 for the third offense. And they must be paid the day of a citation. Each day it is not paid is a separate violation. And operating without a license is maximum of $5,000 per each citation. That is good. And then three violations in a 12-month period is an automatic revocation of a permit, which I also think is good. It says in the agenda, anticipating the ordinance is adopted and goes into effect. January 1st, outreach efforts will be conducted to ensure that all potential applicants are informed about the process and requirements for obtaining the necessary STR permit. I want to make sure this means that all homes, condos and multi-unit property owners in Alhamra will be sent a notice by the mail or else I don't know how you can say that you've informed everybody in let's because people don't come to these meetings or though today there's quite a few so I feel that's the only way that you can really find out and even then they have to be honest about it. So anyway, thank you for listening. Thank you, Mr. Hotsuno. Next up, we have Mr. Ryan Yu. Hi, Mayor Perez and Council members. My wife, Pyle, my name is Ryan. We just want to say we're relatively recent people living in Alhambra. Alhambra is awesome. Like we love it. We've been walking around and it's really a wonderful place. I'm a teacher. My wife works in a nonprofit. We recently bought our dream home and it's very expensive. It's very expensive to buy. And for us, we rent one room in our house from time to time and it helps us pay the mortgage. And I feel like there's a big difference between people like us and we will be affected by this ordinance because we live in a complex with more than five units and It'd be really rough. It'd be really rough to to you know make all of our bills without you know that little bit of extra which really helps us and I Understand that you know you need some regulation. I understand you want to keep the character of the city like the way it is and you should it's great place But I just feel like that there should be room to let us do this which helps us. As far as I know, it doesn't hurt anybody. I don't feel like the people who come and rent a room for us from a couple nights are interfering with the lady who just spoke to business or anyone else. Yeah. Don't say so. And just to differentiate this room we are running out, it's like a kids room. So we just like, prep it up whenever we have guests. And we just change it up when kids are there. I'll say that's the other time with their mom. So this would not apply, we couldn't have a long-term rent, and obviously we wouldn't want to. So if it had been ever be helps us to pay the mortgage and make this home a beautiful family home Thank you so much, everyone. I'm David. I also opposed the first speaker. I thought that was a little crazy. I'm David. I'm the founder at Oak Gates. We're a property management company serving the community for the past seven years. And we've been... Ultimately, we are in full support of the regulations. I strongly believe in regulating, enforcing, and then following through. However, I do believe some of the added items to the ordinance could be reconsidered. And some of the items that I want to bring up is, first, I really believe we should define what is what is a host. Very much like the last speaker, they live in a five-unit condominium, and that would prevent them from being able to host and provide livelihood for what they need, for what they need. But ultimately, defining a host should, should in my opinion not so much limited to as an individual or as an operator. We're an operator. I actually think that would defeat the purpose of what... Here's why. Most hosts cannot do what an operator like us as a property management company who help many small mom and pops. Earn a good living or earn a living to support their, whether it's expenses, their mortgage, whatever that is. But we should not be limited in that case because here's why. I don't know a host that can pick up a call at two, three, 4 o'clock in the morning. I don't know a host that can make sure that the property is safe for the community around the clock 24, 7, 7 days a week. I don't know a host that can execute that. So our service, what we do is we help, we help all the host that we support to ensure a safe environment. We've been operating since 2017, and I've picked out Hamburg because I grew up here. I went to school here in Ramona, and I'm in Hamburg, Singapore, and I'm on the park, my capital. So this is my community, and this where I want it to bring more travelers and visitors into the death of Singable Valley, which we all know we got the best culinary cuisine and everyone in the world should experience that. So that's my second point was redefining what is host and then the third item, the second item really is eligible dwelling. In this case we're limiting folks like the last family who I am not sure if that's the right term. I think that could be reconsider, because there are apartment owners, or not apartment owners, but apartment tenants who are renting out a room or a bedroom or a best space to support their livelihoods. Again, not opposing a regulation. In fact, since 2017, I've suggested to the Chamber, since then, I really believe in clear regulations so that everyone can follow rules. Because we didn't have that since 2017, I believe, is what led to many issues that has unpacked in the past several months. Lastly, about the cap of 500 units, what I think metrics needs to be applied here. So there's over, I do have database of all the rentals in the world. So there's over 800 units currently in Alhambra, about 834 to be exact. That's across whether it's single family, meaning one bed, two bed, share room, whatever it is, it's about 834. So putting on cap on 500, we really need to take a step back and measure those metrics and reassess what impact can that apply to the entire ecosystem of responsible hosting. Thank you very much. Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Foo. We will move on to Mr. Stephen Kong next. Hello. Hello, my name is Stephen Cone and I grew up in Ahembra. I went to Northrop, Ahembra. My family owns a duplex here that I still live in with some roommates. And what renting out one unit has done for us has allowed my parents to really, it really helped them out with their finances in a time of need as they are getting older. And it also helped us fix up the home and it used to be such an eye sore that now it looks a lot better and I feel like the neighborhood even if people were driving by, like they would really appreciate what it has become. I'm not sure if we should put a cap on the number of permits because I feel like, isn't that kind of like just like the same as in New York when they had the the cab medallions and you know, I feel like that would be essentially gatekeeping. As the first speaker did say something about how it's self-regulating, it takes a certain amount of effort to put a unit up that people want to come stay. Not everyone is down to really put in that much effort. I feel like market forces will really determine who can become a short-term rental and anyone that doesn't have the ratings that would allow or that would that people would How do you say it? If your rating isn't good enough, people won't come to stay. And that should mean that at which point, well, maybe STR, like that going down that path may not be for you. So I just wanted to say that it has done a lot for my family. I feel like it has done a lot for my neighbors, the community. As the other speakers have said, I really do appreciate that, like, you know, I, living in a hamburger, I feel like it's one of the best places to live. I've seen what it's done. It has, like, allowed a lot more people to discover the SGV and, you know, just like, yeah, I, that's all I have to say. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Kong. Next we have Mr. Brandon Tan. Hello, everyone. I'm Brandon Tan. I just actually want to actually state that I'm actually against the 500 limit cap on homes, as well as the occupancy cap. I actually do maintenance and tech work for this company. I actually install a lot of ring cameras, just security cameras for my company. I would actually argue a lot of these people are managing this, these type of properties from remote and they're actually really concerned about their property. They're always monitoring it. I don't think anybody wants to lose something or even jeopardize their income in any way. So it's very crucial that the house is secured. It's people are screened. And then typical me servicing homes. I've only seen mainly families that actually come here and rent. There aren't actually hotels in the city where you can actually wear if they're affordable that you can actually keep everybody in actually one room. I believe Airbnb is actually one of those options that where families can actually afford to live in one residence where they don't actually have to get split up. It's just the logistics of it. Everybody's traveled before. Just getting everybody together is actually a headache and a lot of the people that are traveling from afar are actually families that are visiting families in this area. And I don't think we should restrict any occupancy limits just due to that reason. So I just would like to state again that I am against the 500-cap limit as well as the occupancy limit caps. Okay, thank you, Mr. Tan. Next up, we have NINGLY. Yes, but I need a mandrel translator. We can get a language line translator right now from Mandarin. Okay, maybe later. Maybe I can't speak with here and later. you I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. but Yes, maybe I can fit here. You said I'm sorry, but? Yes, maybe I can fit here and the next guy. Oh, yes, I'm sorry. I apologize. They're just getting a hold of the translator. So yeah, if you wouldn't mind, I'll go ahead and call up the next speaker. And then once we have to fill the translator, I'll go ahead and call you up. Okay, thank you for being patient. I appreciate it. Next up, I have key fung mom. Kent needs. Okay. Can't need. Okay. And you? Okay. One moment. And then Mr. Terry Kwan. And Mr. Kwan, do you need a translation service? Okay, we just want to double check. Thank you. Hi, good evening Honorable Members of the Council. My name is Terry Kwan. First, I'm grateful for the chance to share my story and my perspective on Chautomrento. Before I get there, I actually wanted to say the earliest speaker, believes his name is Ryan. He's story really resonates with me a lot. I became aware of Chautomrento very early on in the process as was becoming a first-time home buyer to support my family. And you know, it's a never easy thing to cover your mortgage with traditional rental and I found short and rental to be pretty effective in terms of making sure I can host my family with a roof on top while making sure there's a supplemental income coming in, just so we can have a place that we call home. So as Airbnb hosts, I take great pride in being a responsible hosting operator and I believe that when managed properly, short-term mental can benefit not just the host, but also the entire community. From the very beginning, I have always advocated for responsible hosting. I believe that hosting is about much more than just earning income. It's about making sure the neighbour remains peaceful and harmonious. And by adhering to best practices and being respectful of the local community, I've been able to provide a positive experience, not only for my guests, but also for my neighbors. And this balance is key to preserving the character of our communities. So I'm very glad that you guys put this on the table for discussions. Not, I mean, anything that's proposed, I know those are still in discussion, so I don't really have much comments, but I'm glad that we are able to put this topic onto discussion into the light. So that way we can really talk about what's the best practice for operator and what can we do to benefit not only homeowners but the community as a whole. With that said, that's, you know, that's all I wanted to share but thank you so much for your time. Great, thank you, Mr. Kwan. We are ready with the language line translator at this time. Okay. Great. So, Mr. Ning Lee, do you want to come up? We have the translator ready now. Yes. Yes. Uh-huh. And so, can you explain how the translation will work? Michelle, do we have the language line translator ready to go? Okay. So the language line translator is qualified to translate into Mandarin. She's going to listen to, speak in just a few sentences and then pause and then she'll translate what you're saying. Okay. Hello. Oh, may I please introduce myself, please? Could you please direct the speaker to speak in just a few sentences so that you can translate and then have him pause and then have you translate and then we'll move on from there. Ms. Balla. Okay. Let me introduce myself, Christian. I'm Simon Discus. Hello. Hello. Is this one speaker or several? Just the one speaker for now. Hello. Okay. Hello. I'm Leila. You heard that Chinese TV is very easy to make a living. For the sake of the ability to protect and pay for the current situation, Okay. Okay. All right. Ready to proceed, man. Okay. So, I'm going to go to the next meeting. I'm going to go to the next meeting. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, I'm going to go to the next meeting. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. Ready to proceed, man. Okay. So, I'm going to go to the next meeting. Thank you for tonight. I am actually running the ABNB. Okay. Zheng Ru, the former few friends of the past, first of all, the first one, the second one, may be a choice of a more chosen one. First, you know, as what is mentioned by some of the friends earlier, having the ABNB, it is actually an additional option for the travelers. The Sorry, one moment. Sorry, one moment. Sorry, one moment. Sorry, one moment. Sorry, one moment. Sorry, one moment. Sorry, one moment. Sorry, one moment. Sorry, one moment. Sorry, one moment. Sorry, one moment. Sorry, one moment. Sorry, one moment. Sorry, one moment. Sorry, one moment. Sorry, one moment. Sorry, one moment. Sorry, one moment. and be safe and clean. We will also, we and our members, we will also be providing a higher quality service and also to maintain the market and also to keep the city clean and safe. Yes, yes. We will start everything on our own. We will start with our self-first. We will provide a higher quality service and to make sure that we do not create problems for others. So, I support to do H actually, um, um, uh, I actually support having a BNB. I'm his wife. Thank you. Uh, just a little bit. I'm with housekeeper. I'm a housekeeper. I'm a housekeeper. I'm responsible for Airbnb. I think it's a good job to me to talk about it. It's a good time for me to talk to you. I am his wife and I am a housekeeper. I find that doing, I am actually in charge of housekeeping, cleaning up the ABA and B, and I find this job to be suitable for me and my timing. Oh, so I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. and my timing. So, like in the morning, you know, I will be sending off the kids to school. After that, I do have enough time to come and do the job and complete everything just in time for me to collect to fetch my children from school. So I find this kind of job is a good arrangement for me and it's flexible with my time. And, and bring some income to the same time to maintain the life of my family. For us, it's very important. One moment, I'm very delighted to clarify one information. Sorry, you just said you are what's the name? I'm a new name. A new name. And also because I... A new name, right? Yes, a new name. Xing Yimin, and also because I have just newly migrated here as well. So I find that having this job is a very suitable job because it is a stable job for me and it's a good way to maintain my life and bring some income for our family. Simple and stable income. I don't want to go to other places to work. So I want to work with my family. So, I think it's important for me to be able to do this. So, I think it's important for me to be able to do this. So, I think it's important for me to be able to do this. So, I think it's important for me to be able to do this. So, I think it's important for me to be able suitable and very important to me. So I have very much to share with you. I have to share with you the work that we have done and that we can make this home for both of us. And therefore, I actually support the ABNB because it actually provides basic requirements for me in order to maintain my house and my home and family. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Next we will go to key Fung Ma. And can we get the Cantonese translator on? Madam Mayor, if you don't mind, it's just gonna take a few moments to finish the call with the Mandarin translator. We'll get the Cantonese translator on the line. We could just take maybe a Zoom caller in the meantime and then we'll move back to the Cantonese speaker. Okay, thank you. I apologize Mr. Rosh just gonna be one moment while they get the Cantonese speaker. Okay, thank you. I apologize Mr. Ronch, just gonna be one moment while they get the Cantonese speaker. So if you just wanted to take a seat and I'm gonna go ahead and call one other person. All righty, so let's go ahead and move on to our Zoom callers. Our first Zoom caller is Barbara Messina. Can you hear me? Yes we can. I was kind of hoping that the host of the Airbnb across the street for me would give a presentation. But I guess he's not. I do have a few questions. And I would just like to start with a little bit of background. You know, the owner of this property came in and Decicrated this property without getting one permit from the city. Took out over 12 beautiful mature trees in the front yard. Did all types of work in that house and on the property without obtaining one permit. So he did nothing to enhance the beauty of this street. In fact he desecrated the end. It's an eye sore now. I have a question of how this is being marketed because it appears to be a large house. It's a two bedroom, but it's not as as roomy as you would think. A former good friend of mine lived there, so I know what the size of the house inside is. But it's being marketed as a single family that can hold up to three families. What he has done with this property is divided it into three different units. And nowhere does it show what he is marketing those two back smaller units for so I would like to know if he can legally market a dwelling in those two little back ones that have no kitchen facilities because what I'm noticing happening now Now mind you I said at my kitchen table because this is where I do all my work, okay? So my window is like a fish ball. So I'm noticing everything. And lately I've seen it's mainly a lot of younger people and numbers renting it 4 to 6 at a time. This time and they're all probably up in the upper 20s. Okay, nothing wrong there. But I'm noticing last week at least three different times, two of them came from around the back. So they're obviously in the back units. And they have to come through to the front, and they're carrying obviously food with them to use in the kitchen. So is this legal? I mean, can they market something that doesn't really pertain to the whatever unit they're they're leasing or renting? I'm sorry. So that's a question I have for the city attorney. And you know, I was really hoping the host would be there because you know, everyone in this area struggled to purchase their homes. And like I said before, the young couple who lives right next door to them, they have three, they have one little son when they moved in, now they have three children, they both work two jobs very hard. I'm sure this is not what they considered their dream home was going to be like. Right next to an Airbnb, I mean, it's just a constant flow of new people in and out. And personally, it's kind of unnerving for me. So I think I know it's not right to outlaw A&B's. Use me, I still have this awful cough, but I would hope that you would have really, really, really tight regulations in place where this can be monitored. I know that my kids, my grandkids travel, they use Airbnb's, and when they're done responsibly, I have no problem, but this has not been managed responsibly. So I have a real problem with this one. So that's my concern. Thank you. I appreciate your listening. Thank you Miss Messina. We are ready with the Cantonese translator. Okay. Mr. Kingfum Ma, would you please come up now? Our translators ready. I apologize for the wait. Yes, thank you for your patience. If I might give a little instruction to the language line translator, if you could let the gentleman know that he can speak in a few sentences and then give you a chance to translate and then move on, that would be the best way to approach this. Thank you. Can the language line translator unmute themselves please? Yes, thank you. Okay, my name is each. Sorry, let's go ahead. If you could please let the gentleman that's going to be speaking, no, in Cantonese that if you could just speak in a few sentences at a time and then allow some time for you to translate that that would be the best way to move forward to capture his comments. Thank you. Okay, understood. Thank you. Okay. I wish you a good luck. Thank you. Hi, I'm the director of your speech. I'm a good heroine. I'm a good heroine. I'm a good heroine. I'm a good heroine. I'm a good heroine. I'm a good heroine. I'm a good heroine. I'm a good heroine. I'm a good heroine. I'm a form of a guy. I'm a good guy. I'm a good guy. Is it a good guy? Excuse me. Is it a good guy? Yes. I'm a good guy. We are ready for you. Yes, ma'am. I'm a gentleman here. I'm ready for you. Hi, Ching Xiao-Tang. Yes, ma'am. I know the gentleman here understood. I'm ready for instructions. Yes, and then the reason I'm serious because I am not able to pay off my rent and I'm also doing the COVID time with a lockdown and I was, during the time I was working as a mechanic at the body shop, but during the times I wasn't able to make a lot of income and then now after the COVID ended and then that I am only doing some part-time jobs with limited income. And then only through some odd jobs that I'm able to secure, then I'm able to provide sustainable living to my family and my kid. So, that is why I really need this job at a moment so that I can have a better living and be able to provide for my family. So, I want to support. better living and be able to provide for my family. Oh, yeah. So that is why I need some support. Yeah, that's it. Thank you. We're all set up, language-line translator. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All righty, we'll go ahead and go to Zoom now. Um, can we have? Sorry. Sorry, sorry. Yeah. The next speaker is Eric Ma. Hello, can everyone hear me? Yes, we can. Hi, so my name is Eric Maugh, and I took some notes and I have a lot of things to say, so I have five minutes to say it. First of all, for what Barbara had said in terms of the Zoom meeting beforehand, is I completely cannot understand why she would bring something up where the owner does not even have a permit and why that is tied to Airbnb because, you know, rental is rentals. If he's doing this thing without permits, then you can do it with long-term rentals as well. I think there's some bias in terms of Airbnb when she qualifies it by saying the person does not have any permits and did all this work on the house. I really feel like that's a different problem. A little bit of background about me is I used to, I lived until I was 20 in San Marino, I grew up in San Marino, San Gabriel went to San Marino High School and then I became a data consultant, a data business consultant for 10 years, first eight years with EY, and then another two with Hyundai. And so I also kind of know a little bit about this market, and I am an Airbnb manager. I want to say that I completely agree with the first speaker, and I disagree with the older lady who only has long-term ventals, because she only has long-term ventals. Maybe she doesn't understand that technology, there's a change in what brings in revenue and whatnot. For her, I would say that I don't think any of her recommendations are even logical and maybe that she should try Airbnb herself because the difference between short-term and long-term tools is really the time period. So that's my suggestion there. And for my own account as a part-time Airbnb manager, is that all of our guests we've had so far was very respectful to the neighborhood and treated our house like it was their own. There haven't been any large partying of which at least in our unit and we also make sure that that is within our house rules and it qualifies us, it everybody qualifies us with its own self-rating process which I heard a lot about. And our house rules are kept before they book, before when they book, and during the booking process, and as well as after the book, they all know this, right? And they all follow this, or else we basically reject them and don't give them a reply. So they've all been extremely polite, and honestly, most people that come through, at least for our unit, is mostly families that are like trying to go to Disneyland and trying to go to Universal and trying to go to other Los Angeles landmarks where they want like an affordable option and they know that Alhambra is kind of a safe location with like great places to eat and the other thing is like I really need to create my manual because a lot of them really, they ask for great food recommendations around Alhambra and I'm like, okay, all right, I'll give you these food recommendations and they come and they really like it and everyone's really hospitable. And so that is something that I really like and enjoy about Airbnb. And you know, for me, I'm thinking through this is that like all of what we do at Airbnb generates additional revenue that helps pay for other city initiatives right you know I've heard about the police during this call and and funding and and I don't know like earthquake funding and firemen funding and so I just want to say that Airbnb generates so much revenue for the new city. And then, okay. And then also, sorry, I'm like jumping around places because I'm like, okay, I got to coordinate, I got to put all of my ideas in. But also, you know, like Airbnb sent me a message and basically said like, oh, it's the neighbors that have always been complaining. And I want to say that neighbors complain anyways. They complain all the time. I have a neighbor that he literally built and extended his house, not for Airbnb, and I was complaining. All right, so, and you know, that changes the landscape and doesn't really generate revenue for the city or as much. So there's that. There's my perspective on it. And then as far as the ordinance itself, there's a lot of clarification questions in terms of the metrics that I want to talk about. And I am also against the 500 cap, because of so many criteria, it's like you're trying to filter out who would get licensed into them, who would not. And our family, we've already registered a license. And, you know, my clarification question is, is this 500, 500 cap set for the year? Like, if there was a renewal, it looks like you'll automatically renew in the paperwork that you sent, like, the fact. Excuse me, Mr. Ma, your five minutes has allapsed. Oh, okay. Well, thank you. I think you can. Thank you so much. We'll go on to the next speaker. The next speaker is John Bwari. Good evening, members of the City Council, Madam Mayor. This is John Wary, CEO of the Alhambra Chamber of Commerce. It's great to be with you virtually this evening. It's great to see so many people out to offer their perspective and input on this important ordinance that affects the economic future of the city, in at least in one aspect. Tonight I come to you to speak and represent the businesses that we represent as the chamber and businesses overall as we look at issues around economic development and land use. This is an issue that I know has been on the agenda for some time. We had a meeting that we discuss this through the chamber over the summer and a number of our members have talked to members of the City Council and staff to help inform the development of this policy. But tonight we come to you in particular not to say this is not what should be done, but perhaps the approach we're taking needs to be reviewed as we go forward. I think it's very clear from all the speakers that regulation is essential to make sure that we have appropriate operators, but there is some clarification in the language being proposed this evening that is required. Number one, the limit on the number of units in the city, the 500 number does seem to be a bit confusing, as well as without substantial justification of why that number. And so we ask that you consider removing that from the ordinance at this time or delaying the vote on that aspect. Additionally, the number of units being used. I think we heard from a number of speakers tonight and this is something that we've heard as well regarding the people who own units. So the room or even their own units, their owners of those units, and they want to be able to use them for short term rental. So, capping it at five units may prevent others from being able to both afford purchasing in the area, as well as sustaining the lifestyle that they're hoping to achieve here. And finally, the idea around who is the operator, making sure that the right people are operating these units require expertise as you heard from some of the speakers. And so really reviewing the fact that if someone says, hey, I want to make my, I want to do it the right way. And I know that if someone else is doing it for me, they can do it the right way. They have the resources. That shouldn't be a reason not to allow them to operate as a short-term rental. As we look at the future of the city, we do not have a lot of hotel, we don't have very large hotels, a lot of our neighboring cities do, but we do have a destination as you've heard again from other speakers around people coming here, wanting to be here, having safety in our community to stay when they've come from out of town. And as we market the city to others to come eat and shop in the city, oftentimes that results in folks who are visiting, being able to take advantage of that on a couple days basis, right? But they're actually spending a couple meals day after day versus just visiting for, you know, coming in for lunch or coming in for dinner. So I encourage you to make sure that we are, as we proceed with this ordinance, that it does, in fact, offer expectations of what it means to be operate safely and effectively in respect to the neighbors, but to really, I would remove or amend the cap, the number of units available for short-term rental. I would ask that you reconsider the number of units that qualify to be, short or mental, that five-number, units of buildings of no more than five. And I would consider the, they who is an operator item as well. I think with those, either tabling those items and adopting otherwise or sending back for further review those three items, I think would allow for a more comprehensive ordinance to be put forward. Thanks for your time. The next Zoom speaker is Chef Cordelia Catering. Hi there. Oh, hello. We can hear you. Hi, my name is Cordelia Culver. I have, thank you so much for hearing all of us this evening. I have a little bit of a different perspective. I do lease a property in Alhambra and operate it as a short-term rental. And it's a property that's really not qualified to be much else. It is, it's formerly known as the Pyrenees Castle. It sleeps up to, we have 12 bedrooms. It's an 8,500 square foot property. And I, at least, disproperty a couple of years ago, and have put a lot of my personal money into it in time and effort and love into the property in the interest, honestly, of sharing it as a piece of old history, essentially. I am originally from Los Angeles. I grew up in the LA area, I've lived in a lot of different neighborhoods, and I do renecatering company. But we operate this as a short-term rental, and we have incredible guests who come from all over the world. We've only been open a little bit over a year, but we do have people that come in for conferences or for wellness groups, and also people that come and want to have events, weddings or, you know, birthdays, celebrations, things like that. Our interest is of course in being able to continue to operate at that level. We've taken, you know, a lot of steps to make sure that we're not providing any negative impact to our neighbors. I'm concerned, I haven't read the entire item I just found out about this today, but I am concerned about rules that would limit, let's say, your guests being not able to park on a public street in front of the property. That's something that would be very hard for us to control. We do ask that our guests do not do that, but I'm imagining another smaller single family home that's being used as an Airbnb. I don't know that they could guarantee that their guests aren't gonna park on the street. Yeah, so I'm concerned about that. and then of course the issue with events. We're happy to, I guess, get additional certification if we need to, that sort of thing. But yeah, I think, you know, I've heard a couple of people talk about, you know, providing sort of a place for people to come and visit the city. There are not a lot of hotel rooms in the city. And yeah, it is a really, it's a wonderful place. I've really enjoyed my time there so far. Yes, the food is incredible. And yeah, we would love to be able to continue operating essentially and I feel that a lot of limits would limit that And that's it. Thank you so much Looks like the final speaker is George Hello, can you hear me? Yes, we can Okay, wonderful. I'll try to keep this short. My family used to run, we used to own, we currently own two properties in Alhambra. They used to be long-term rentals during the COVID period. We had a lot of people moving out and during that turmoil, we decided to convert to a short-term rental. And we have actually poured hundreds of thousands of dollars into renovating our apartments. We pay salaries to cleaners and also construction workers in the area, I think, just from our family alone, we've thrown in hundreds of thousands of dollars up the last few years into the local community, just paying people for services and keeping things running smoothly. So we basically hope the livelihoods of half a dozen families in the area. In this, I'd like to note that our guests at our short-term rentals, they generally don't use the cooking facilities, and we notice that they overwhelmingly go out into the city to eat at the restaurants. I think that if you were to cap or inhibit the short-term rentals in Alhambra, you'll see a lot of revenue drop across the board, and you're going to affect a lot of families. We can go back to long-term rental pretty easily and our annual income will drop, but we're not going to go hungry. But I can tell you half a dozen families will not have a drop. The moment this thing passes, thank you for your time. That was the final raise hand on Zoom for the item. Great. Thank you. We now that we have concluded public comment, I'll go ahead and take Council comments or questions. Councilwoman Andrade Stadler. Sure. I'll take a shot at this. First of all, thank you to all the residents and folks who came out this evening and are on Zoom for your response for short-term rentals and our potential ordinance. And thank you for our translating for families that definitely needed that as well. There's no doubt that Airbnb is here in Elambra. It has a place in Elambra and while other cities have more hotels which was mentioned we are shy of having obviously enough of them and large hotels like our neighbors to the east. Saint Gabriel has quite a few of them and they have banned Airbnb just so you know that. I think we need to have regulations though. They're here. I don't dispute that. But there are some bad actors. And it's not just the bad actors, but we really do need some sort of regulation. I say this, first of all, because our city has a vision for expanding our affordable housing. And even though this is a particular type of housing, for expanding our affordable housing. And even though this is a particular type of housing, which definitely is supporting employment, which I appreciate, it generally is more for folks who want a vacation and utilize the homes to do that. And there's a place for it. I'm not saying there's not. Because we want to continue the vision of affordable housing, I would have to support some of the conditions that we have in place under this regulation. I have a question about the cap because this was asked at the either the last meeting or the meeting before that and I think that was the number 500 that was given to us. Is there a change in that number now or was that just a number because that seemed to be what we're well I'd like to know what the actual number is. The data is a little wonky with the number. We think that there's 500 depending on which computer systems you use and how, what buttons you click, it could scale up to 800 or 900. The thing about short-term rentals is every month there's a snapshot in time. The population fluctuates during the summer, it grows a little bit, during the fall that shrinks a little bit. And so in that snapshot in time when we took the population data, it could have been 500 and then within the span of two weeks it could have expanded to 800 so the the total capacity fluctuates from day to day. Do you think does that number go down? Yes, we see it as low as 300 always lowest 300 So 500 in your opinion is really not something that is unforeseen. It's a pretty standard average. Okay. Thank you for that. And I think what the cap does for us is it helps us. We have multiple ways in which we provide housing or there's housing in here in Alhamdulillah. I think the cap does allow us to continue our vision for affordable housing in larger than where we need it. I would also ask the question. I'm concerned that, thank you so much, but I'm a little more concerned that there are some that are already in place. Some of these that are already pretty big like maybe we could have something a few of being grandfathered in because of their short term rental use like the Specter House. You know, to me, that is a wonderful thing to offer families to come or people to come in and use the Specter House for a week and be able to do whatever it is they want. We have, you know, I think soccer is coming in a big way and so are the Olympics. So we have an opportunity here. So I'd like to think about that. In addition to that, I think I would just like to say that I appreciate what someone spoke about, the bad actors, and I think that maybe perhaps I see that we have a building inspection report, and I would ask that, and I see that what they would have to do on an annual basis is just sort of fill out a form of sorts in order to be within the regulation. Do we have that set up as of yet or are we still kind of thinking about how we would be able to regulate without having to have our buildings and spectres go into all 500 places to do that. We've got a draft concept of the certification form. We'd create a checklist for a third party to self-certify. Essentially, the biggest regulation is going to be ensuring that each room would not exceed the two-person occupancy limit. And so they would certify that the number of beds in there would not exceed sleeping for two people. Okay, thank you. There's various signs and stuff. And then I have a question for the police department. I'm trying to remember you guys do great reports for us weekly, so I appreciate those. I'm trying to remember if I've seen anything in any of the reports where there's been calls repeatedly for problems with the short term rentals, the folks that are coming in and perhaps the major calls that we've had at short-term rentals. We do document it if we do attend the house and it does have multiple calls and it is a short-term rental. I don't have the exact numbers. Okay. Math out. Oh, we have had houses in the past that have had large quantities of drugs that were being was that just one on one occasion? It was a one off. Yeah, it was not something that we think is normal. Right. What the chief is alluding to, you know, we get small calls, noise complaints, visitors, but other than that, nothing new, notable that would make it into your weekly newsletter as far as incidents to the Orbeford back from an Airbnb property. So just to jump on the noise, how do we there's not a checkoff list for noise? They will just call the police department and the police department would have to go if there's a lot a lot of noise because in our in this ordinance we're asking them not to have a party. Yes, any any we cannot go to a call that's just loud on its own. We have to receive a phone call from the public. Okay, and we will respond out to every one of those call. Okay, thank you. Those are my questions for now and I'll wait to hear what my fellow council members have. Thank you. Councilmember Maloney. Thank you. Council member Maloney. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Just had a couple of questions. We had a lot of people speak to their personal situations. I just wanted to make sure I understand. So for example, the couple that had, it sounds like they own a condo and they're renting out a room in a condo I'm sorry. They're putting they're doing short term rental for one of the rooms in a condo my reading of this ordinance would not prohibit that is that correct The the issue is how many units are in the multi-family so See are in the multifamily complex. So, see. So, 5.92.030 eligible types of dwelling units. So, single-family residents, residences, duplexes, condominiums, count homes, and multi-family units and buildings of less than five units, maybe utilize this STR. So, condominiums is listed separately, multi-family units, rental units, and over five, less than five units is also separate. So that seems to me like condominiums in our different category. Correct? Yes. That's the intent of the council. Yes. I mean, I'm just saying what it says here. Right. No, I understand. Yeah. And we were trying to capture what the council said last time. Right. And you had said multifamily of more than five units. Yeah. Was was prohibited. So right. So as as it's written right there, yes, it could be interpreted the condominiums no matter how many units there are are exempt. Right. So in my perspective, like their situation, it's fine. I mean, it seems like a silly thing to say because you have five units you can't do, but if you had four in your condo complex, you can do it. They're running on a room in their own home. That seems perfectly fine to me if someone wants to do that. I don't like if it's regardless of how many units were in the complex. Separately, my issue isn't necessarily taking up a condominium that someone might want to buy. I mean, that, of course, has an effect on the housing market and all that. I think the regulation we should be focused on more than any is ensuring that we are not allowing for overuse of rental units as Airbnb's, I'm sorry, short term rentals that could be used for long term rentals on the more affordable scale. So in my mind, that's a multi-unit apartment complex where they're all renters and you're taking one or two or three or four or more off the market as rental units and making them short-term rentals. That's sort of my, you know, not that I don't care about condominiums, I haven't really thought that through, but... So I guess what I'm saying is the way it's written here, I think it's fine. I think it's good if that's the correct understanding. So the issue of multi-family or multi-unit buildings, that is an issue. I think what we've heard anecdotally and seen some trends and I think the last time this came up we saw similar issues where there are entities that are coming in, buying up apartment buildings, and gradually turning over, or whether through attrition or eviction, taking out their tenants and turning those units into short-term rentals. That's not a trend I like to see continue. I think that is not something that we wanna see. I think last meeting we had a good discussion about sort of the lower end of the scale where it's either a single family home or duplex or triplex or even, you know, four units on as a property. And you could see renting one of those out or putting it up on as a short, parental. That's an understandable situation. Lots of people were talking about their personal financial situations, how this helps, you know, it's a great help to their bottom line and I think that that's a fair point. What I wouldn't want to see is a large land owner, large land lord come in and turn over an entire apartment building or significant amount of a large apartment building into short-term rentals. That is not, I mean, that's essentially just a hotel. I don't necessarily think that's the spirit of Airbnb short-term rentals or what we want to do, be doing here. So switching to the idea of a cap, the 500 unit, I thank you, Andrew, for explaining or highlighting the fact that of course these things would fluctuate. Sometimes someone's going to put this on the market as a short-term rental for three months while I find a new tenant or while we do this or maybe I'm out of town or something like that. Totally understandable. 800, it seems like a really high number. 500, I don't know seems like a really high number. 500, I don't know if that's sufficient or not. I do support a cap because I don't think we should just open this up to an unlimited universe of potential short-term rentals in the city. So I would support a cap. I don't know if 500's the correct number. I think it's, I think it is somewhat arbitrary as some folks point it out, but I think due to the nature of the product that we're dealing with, it can't be an exact thing. You can't use the high point or the low point or else you're going to miss something in between. So maybe 500 notice that that's too high or too low, we can come back and tweak it in the future. So I'm getting, I was less comfortable coming in with the 500 cap, but I'm actually more comfortable with that now. And I thank you for that explanation. I did have one issue with the violation. So in here it says if you have three violations within a calendar year, then you lose your license. Is that calendar year, you lose it for one year and you can reapply or how would that work? The original draft ordinance we had proposed a one year suspension. And if I recall correctly through the conversation, there was additional input about wanting it to be a three year suspension, and then maybe just a straight revocation. So we went with the straight revocation, one with this new draft. And so if somebody built an appeal period, an appeal process to the planning commission for that. Okay, so what I'm, what I was kind of thinking about hypothetical as we were sitting here, if somebody has, if an operator has two violations in a year, and they renew, and then the next year they have two, and then they renew. And then the next year they have two. And then they renew. And then the next year they have two. And that's kind of a lot of violations. And it doesn't exceed the number three, which is the magic number. But it is sort of pretty disruptive to the people who may be having to deal with that. Could we do a review of the license every year? Have you had any violations? I mean, if they are, if you have a particularly sensitive neighbor or it's a borderline call, I don't necessarily want to strip someone's license away, but if they're continually coming back, pushing the limits every single year, it seems like we ought to be able to say, hey, you know, have some authority to say, you know, we're not going to renew this anymore. You've been, we've had to respond to you seven times in the last three years, you know, seven and a half years, and it's just too much. In our experience with code enforcement cases and nuisances, the neighbors after a year of dealing with repetitive issues, they will dive in and read the code themselves and they will challenge the staff on the implementation of the code. So my hunch is that if this were to happen in year two, the neighborhood would understand that, oh, it's three strikes year out. They're going to make sure they police that that property to make sure that they get a third call into the city hall. Okay. Again, I'll take my own advice that, you know, this is the first year we're doing this and we can always come back and tweak this as we see fit later. But I think that's, it's good to see that in there. I like that idea. If someone gets three strikes in a calendar year, I mean, they're not doing something right. And I think that that should take me out of this category. So I think it's okay as written here. In other the issue with former council member Mayor Messina, I was dealing with an issue with the food and the kitchen. Was that was the issue because the the home was split into three different STRs and not all of them had a kitchen, is that the issue? I won't comment on that because I think we have an open code enforcement case on that property. Well, it would seem to me that the issue, the other part of this is ensuring that any unit that is requesting a license is up to date on all the codes and appropriately documented. So I would assume that's the issue that if you know, if you're going to run out a home or a living unit, it would need to come with an appropriate plumbing and kitchen and all that. So I guess that's a code issue, so I'll leave that. But I think it would be resolved by my reading of this ordinance. What I did want to get into a little bit was the actual, the self certification. So I know that it would be a lot of staff time to have building, to have code enforcement or anyone else going in and inspect each and every one of these units. I really do want to avoid a situation where we have somebody putting up a short-term rental that is not compliant with all the building and safety codes, and that any other violation is in place. Of course, people aren't going to stay there if it's not in good shape. But there could be other things that aren't apparent to a renter that are skirting our own local laws and regulations. They're there for a reason. So, I had a couple different thoughts. One is that this is a situation where we can pass along the cost of a licensing program to an applicant. Correct. I mean, that wouldn't be a tax that would actually just be a fee, correct? So we could pass along the actual cost of whatever staff time or outside contractor that we contract with to do inspections. That's one area. But as we were talking here, and rereading the section about self-certification that they would that a license applicant would have to go and ask one of sort of a licensed building inspector or what the other categories were, could we sort of maybe find a happy medium and we give a list of vendors, a list of outside inspectors to any potential license applicants where we have some assurance that they're not gonna hire somebody that has a certificate that they got online after 45 minutes of a course and is now failing out these forms. We just wanna make sure we have some level of accountability to the city. And I was thinking that the best way to do that would be to send our own people out there, but maybe another way is to have an approved short list of inspectors that licensees could use. I'm just kind of spitballing here, but I kind of would prefer one of those other scenarios other than just self-certification where they pick someone that they find. It's certainly something that we can look into as we implement the program. The challenge was with creating a city-sponsored, recommended list in my experience that dovetails and grows into other areas of building and planning. A lot of people, a lot of contractors and architects generally will fight to get on a city-approved list. And if the city does not automatically put everybody on a list, they get challenged. And so we can, so I did start doing that with this contractor thing, but it could be a potential liability in the future. So is there a minimum certification? Like what I'm looking for is maybe a licensing program, not the city's license, but a licensing program for licensing requirement for inspectors, right? So they are accountable to like the state licensing board for whatever profession it would be, so that they are not just, you know, Joe Shmo, I'm, yeah, today I'm a property inspector. Here you go. Is there a certification at the state issues? I think so. I think a lot of times when people purchase homes, they have a home inspection and they're usually certified by a license or certificate of some sort and we can create the same metric for that. Okay. I mean, at least for this first year, I'd like to see how it goes, but maybe just having some minimum standard for the people that are actually doing the inspections to make sure that these units are up to code. So we don't want to keep hearing about, you know, someone's just putting up a fake wall in their living room and saying they have two units for or short-term rentals. Sorry, thanks for the patience everyone. On that note, I was thinking about inspections of properties in general and I know it's not really relevant to this discussion today, but in the past we had discussed a program to do inspections of multi-family units to ensure habitability and make sure that they're up to standards. This was an important issue for the Council of Previous City. And I just could I make a request not to put it on the agenda, but maybe we talk about this issue at a future strategic planning session just as a way to ensure that our renters in the city have kind of a minimum standard there. All right. Host issue. I think the only other thing I heard early on in the public comments was the definition of a host. I really think it is important that we create a program, the type of program that we see that would fit with our community. And for me, that is kind of keeping this on the lower scale. Instead of having large operators come in and do multiple, multiple units all across the city, I like the definition of host as it is now. And just because you're a host doesn't mean you necessarily have to be the person who's on call 24 hours because there's another definition for local contact person. So a host could share those duties if they contract with a local contact person. And that in a sense that would allow for some of these companies that might be still interested in being in the operation side of the business to participate in the process, but not necessarily take over lots of rentals in the city. I think I'll wrap up, thanks everyone. But I do think that this kind of underscores the fact that we don't, Elhamor doesn't have hotels. We don't have at least large ones. We don't have kind of a, we're not meeting the demand of people who want to do short-term stays in our community. And it's an issue and it's manifesting here in this short- term rental situation. We do have a couple small, small, remote, and some hotels that are not, apparently not meeting that demand. Again, that's not a discussion for here. But what I don't want to do is meet the demand for hotels with what could be long term, affordable housing for our residents that live in the community. So that's all. Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember Maza. Thank you so much, Mayor. I think a lot of what I wanted to say has been sell ready by my fellow council members, but I want to start by saying that, number one, I've used Airbnb before, you know, outside of Alhambra and it's very convenient. It is something that, you know, just provides that other option, other than staying in hotel, privacy, just amenities, so many things. Also want to say that, you know, we're doing our best to come up with the absolute best ordinance tonight, but it's been said by other council members, you know, it can be changed as we go along. There's no reason that, you know, as the years go by and we see the need to modify and change the ordinance that that can be done. So our goal is to come up with the absolute best ordinance tonight. But as we go along, you know, hopefully we can modify it as needed. Mr. Fung, I want to thank you for your comments earlier. You made some comments about bringing and finding balance with a ordinance. So I appreciate that. I think that's very important meeting the needs of people coming into the city of Alhambra, along with being responsible, you know, post and and finding, you know, basically security for neighborhoods and making sure that we keep the feel of our residential neighborhoods. That's very important. With regards to what Airbnb does for the city and city revenue, I want to make sure that we all understand that currently Airbnb does not offer any revenue to the city of Alhambra. I think it's something that definitely needs to change and you know, like to be corrected by Mr. Ho if I am incorrect with that. The city does not generate any revenue currently from Airbnb is that correct? Was it about regular rentals or Airbnb? AirBnB. We don't collect any fees from Airbnb's other than the rental business license. So incremental. Thank you. Somebody suggested on the call earlier that you know obviously the city benefited tremendously from Airbnb revenue. I just want to make sure that we all understood that that is incorrect. You know hopefully that we capture some of that in the future maybe through a TOT tax, but you know that's that's a couple years away at least going back to multifamily. I think I was the one who maybe suggested originally at the last meeting that we limit Airbnb so that it does not So it is not allowed in multifamily units over five I think the goal for me was To make sure that rentals were not taken off the market so that rentals weren't affected. But I think in going back and just getting a little bit more technical, I think I'd be okay with having condominiums be part of that. So even if there was a, let's say, 15 unique condominium building, that's okay. So I want to make sure that it's not the rental buildings that are being used for Airbnb. So I don't know if that's a, if that was already corrected. I want to make sure that that is included in this if possible. Yes, I think we carved out condominium ownership. So if a condominium owner wanted to put their unit on Airbnb, they could regardless of the unit count and the condominium carfacus. I wanted to clarify that. Thank you. Also with regards to a host and an operator, I know we talked about them being natural owners. You know, and the goal there was to try to prevent, you know, corporations from owning multiple units and making it a business through Adal Hambra. However, I think what that does is that also excludes somebody coming in as a manager, not being the natural owner of the property and excludes them from operating the Airbnb. Is that correct? Currently the as defined a host has to be a natural person so it would prevent somebody like Oakgate who was a speaker today, it would prevent O-gate the corporation from owning property, but it wouldn't necessarily prevent someone like Andrew Ho from contracting with O-gate to manage my property and being my local content. And so O-gate could still put their management practices on multiple properties throughout town, but those properties could be owned by different individuals. Perfect. That's exactly what I was trying to get to and hope that we allowed for that. So, perfect. Thank you. Regarding the cap, the cap is tough because I think we had heard the number of 500 as being the number of AirBb's in Alhambra at the last meeting. I understand now why that happened with different reporting methods. But now hearing the number of 834, 873, I think from somebody earlier, I think I'd like to potentially see that number go up. The amount allowed. How do you go back now? I mean, with six, 700 units already in the system, how do you go back now and retract some of those licenses? Well, not that we have licenses, but some of those operators. So I'd like to revisit that with the rest of the council to see if we can maybe consider a higher amount of that. I think we already talked about the single room. I want to make sure that people that have single rooms available in their units are not excluded from being able to operate. I think we've had any issues that we've heard of, and so if that changes in the future, we can go back and reconsider that. I think the biggest thing for me is, through all this, is the building inspections. I know Councillor Marlone brought this up, and I agree with him. I would like to make sure that even if it's a cost, regardless of what that costs, it's a cost of doing business for the operator, that we do find a way to have a pre-inspection prior to issuing a permanent license. I mean, whether that be a third party, but I'd like to avoid any anywhere around the system where somebody can hire the right inspector to check off that certificate or that list. I want to make sure that it's completely independent third party. I go back to the days of, you know, appraisals for real estate where, you know, sometimes you had a relationship between a owner and an appraiser and so, you know, values and information would get skewed and maybe misinterpreted sometimes. I want to make sure that the inspectors are completely third party and independent, but I think that is a must. And any time that a license is up for renewal, that that inspection happened again. You know, and then the goal there is basically to avoid. You have a larger single-family house that has maybe just somehow gotten away from code enforcement and is being used as two or three units that that be prevented. So, you know, maybe we can talk about that a little bit more and see how we can find a way around that. And that is really it for now. I'd like to hear what the rest of the council has to say about some of these items like the count and the bill inspections as well. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. First of all, I want to thank all of the speakers that came out tonight and everybody that participated. I know that we had a number of people that shared their feedback around this. I appreciate all of your feedback. I know many of you are Airbnb owners and operators yourself. So hearing your perspective is incredibly helpful. I really say and I just want to make sure that folks understand where this is coming from. This is a space that has really gone unregulated in all Hempbra for a very long time. There are no regulations, we do not have a TOT tax. And so because of that, we've had these issues come up. As you heard mentioned earlier for those of you that aren't familiar. About a year ago, we had a case where somebody that was staying at an Airbnb was using drugs and had a large, large quantity of drugs that were discovered within the Airbnb. It made the San Gabriel Valley Tribune. It made the Pasadena Starn Use. And this was a location in particular where there were a lot of complaints. I had been contacted by the neighbors in that neighborhood on several occasions with complaints about this location. And so it's situations like that that make me incredibly concerned. You know, I understand the folks that are showing up today, you know, you all are responsible owners and operators. I mean, that's why you're showing up today to participate in this discussion. You're on top of it, you know what you're doing. And I want to make sure that we're allowing a space for you to continue the business that you're doing. I don't think that we should punish anybody that's been trying to follow rules and doing things the right way. But what we're trying to do is really crack down on those bad actors that, you know, frankly, have not been respecting our community. And we up here appear including myself have a responsibility to the residents of Elambra and to our constituents, first and foremost, to make sure that their quality of living is being protected, to make sure that when these situations are coming up that we're instituting these types of regulations, to make sure that things are remaining safe, first and foremost, and that the quality of life is consistent and that folks are not experiencing a major difference. In addition to that, as was mentioned before, we are also experiencing a housing crisis. And so it is concerning when we hear from neighbors who have submitted complaints to us about large numbers of apartments being taken off of markets so that they can be used as air being bees. So, you know, I just want to make that clear because I recognize that many of the folks that have reached out to us over the years, you know, the neighbor that I just mentioned that lived next to the home where the drugs were discovered, they're not participating in tonight's conversations. But this is an issue that has come up many times since I've been elected to this council for the last four years. So I just want to make that really clear. To that point, you know, I know what was brought up in regards to the cap and the fact that this could be kind of an arbitrary number given that and B&B's kind of ebb and flow, depending on what's available and what's not on a given date. I think one of the ways that I see as potentially creating flexibility in this is to just say that basically anybody who has been owning and operating a unit prior to this time period, they're able to do so, and we kind of cut it off there so that we're not allowing for new permits. That makes sense to me since I think it's kind of hard for us to come up with a number, but I think if somebody is able to provide evidence that this is something that they've been doing, you know, prior to this year, then I'm hoping that that might resolve it rather than us trying to come up with 500 or 550 or whatever that number might be. In addition to that, we discussed inspections. I know a council member Mauslin, council member Maloney, we're talking about having, you know, somebody that is certified to do this and kind of an outside agency. I think that that makes sense as well. And, you know, in addition to this, I think this piece about violations is to me the most critical piece of all of this. We want to make sure that we're not having a situation like the past situation happen again. Where we have many violations in a row that lead to significant amounts of illegal activity happening at a location. And so I just want to double check Andrew. When we say violation, that doesn't just mean a neighbor calling in and complaining that means one of our police officers going out and giving a warning about a noise complaint and then having to return an issue of citation because you know a party has gone on for so long there's continued to be noise whatever it may be. Is that correct? Yes, with some additional color to that, it could be a police officer or code enforcement officer, and it would have to be a violation of one of the 14 regulations we've identified in the short-term rental ordinance. Okay. And I think that makes sense to me. identified in the short term rental ordinance. Okay. And I think that, you know, that makes sense to me. I just, I want to make sure that we're being very clear in that it's, this is not just simply, you know, an angry neighbor that is able to call and complain anytime that they see something, but this is actually activity that is problematic, that is illegal, and that, you know, provide significance and concerns. You know, I know that... So if I could just clarify, yeah, within those 14, one of those 14 is compliance with all provisions of the municipal code. So we're capturing everything, but a violation is not just, hey, I think that guy's violating the code. You have to be cited, and then you have the option to appeal that citation to a hearing officer. So it's either a citation that is not appealed or that is unsuccessfully appealed. That counts as one violation. Great. Thank you. The other thing that was brought up, I heard it mentioned that there would be limits on guest parking on public streets. Is that listed in here at all? I thought that I know that folks are able to buy parking permits and whatnot for overnight parking. But is that something that's cited in here is an issue? I didn't unless I missed it. Yes. We are requiring that all registered folks at the short-term rental park on the property. Okay. You said one. I'm not. Number 11. Okay. That's helpful. And Madam Mayor, members of the council, one, the issue of CAP keeps coming up. You know, whether there's 800 or 300 in town, disordance will eliminate the multi-family. So that could be a, I don't know what portion of the 800 or 500 that is. So you may have plenty of room with 500. I don't know what portion of the 800 or 500 that is. So you may have plenty of room with 500, I don't know. My suggestion to the council, rather than grandfathering everybody in or doing anything, would just simply be to modify the ordinance to say that the city will only issue up to a maximum of 500 active permits any given time or such other cap as set by council resolution. That way, if it looks like we're running short, you just have to have you guys adopt a resolution to increase it. Or if you want to lower it later on, you can just lower it by resolution. We don't have to worry about going through two different meetings with an ordinance and everything just to change. Okay. I think that that makes sense to me. I know there were several kind of points made as discussion was happening and I don't know that I quite captured all of it so that we can make a motion. I don't know if someone's try to make a motion or Joe if you wanted to try to reiterate some of what you heard so we can go about taking action? Sure. So Councilwoman and Dr. E. Stadler, the one comment you made that I think I want to make sure everybody understands what the implication would be was you talked about the specter residents being like an ideal location for an Airbnb, right? Yeah, right. But the owner of that property could certainly apply for an Airbnb license with the city, a short-term rental license. If that owner is an individual, I don't know who the owner is. The person who was talking on the phone is a LSE who is subletting as an Airbnb. So I don't know who the owner is. So if the owner is and is meets the definition of host, that owner could apply and then the LSE could continue to operate the Airbnb. But if that owner is not, then this ordinance would create a problem for that person. Okay? With regard to renting out rooms, that shouldn't present an issue. You could still get a STR for that if you own the home. And then with regard to the cap, I think we address that in terms of the host versus the operating company. I think Andrew addressed that in terms of any host being able to contract with a management company if they want to. Then the only other thing, both several of you reference the inspections. Right now it's set up for self-certification. If you want to change that in here, we can change it. Staff will have to scramble to figure out how we get staffing in time to. Just theoretically, people could start applying for this as soon as it becomes effective. And if everybody waits till the last moment, right now you have to have it permit in place or an application submitted by March 1st. If everybody waits till the last moment, I don't know how we get 500 inspections done timely. So I don't know if you want to phase that in or if you want to have a later strategic plan discussion about staffing and inspections and all of that. Ideally, we would have maybe the homeowners pay for that. I don't think it's a question of pay. It's a question of resources. If those are going to be city employees, we have to come up with a job description, we have to float that position, we have to recruit, we have to hire, it takes a long time to get those bottles on board. If it's going to be a contracted function, we'll have to do an RFP to get some kind of company that can do those inspections and bring back a contract for you to consider awarding an inspection contract. To hear, I mean, my take on that, and I understand that, and there's logistical issues that would make that, I think, really difficult, correct. What Councillor Mozzah was saying is that people have relationships, and if people are involved in real estate and do this proper inspection, we don't want a situation where someone is going to be able or trying to skirt the rules by offering an inaccurate building inspection, right? Because they have a buddy who does this stuff on the side and they say, hey, we want to, they need to adhere to some independent standard. Ideally, it would be like a state licensing board, but I'm just looking around. I don't see a state licensing board for property inspectors. There are like private certifications. So maybe we can create some language here so we don't have to come back for another first reading. I don't know if we're going to be on that first one. So there's going to be a checklist. It's a form that's going to be used. So they're going to have to click, check all the boxes, etc. And then the ordinance does provide that the city building official has the right to follow up and do an inspection if they think something looks funny. Right. So that's right, and that's all great. What I want to ensure though, or maybe this is the accountability we have is that if the inspector does go out there and look, if a city employee goes out there and looks at and says, wait a minute, all these are wrong, that there is some other entity that that could be reported to to that some infiled false report essentially. Instead of just saying sorry, you know, and you go in your way. I think we can build all that information into the fine print of the application process and spell out the details of what would qualify as a third party. Okay. I'll take that. Just my comment was going to be his first, you know, third party, I guess preference would always be that it be city staff. I understand all the issues with logistics as to how to get that started and happening. Just I'm thinking through this and we're talking about it. I mean, you know, like even trans tech, I mean, can they staff some like this potentially? I mean, since I'm just, it's possible, but you know, like any company these days, they probably don't have 10 people sitting around waiting for the phone to ring. So they're going to have to hire people as well. And I'll like to. So I guess yeah, I guess we kind of leave this this one. You know, kind of. Ending and I guess waiting for city staff to come up with something that's a little bit more solid based on what we discussed tonight. Yes, I would recommend we take a look at how the ordinance works over the next 12 months, make adjustments as necessary. And that'll give us time to start thinking about other alternatives for inspections, staffing inspections. If the third party certification doesn't meet the council or the community's standards, right? Mr. Ho, there might be other cities that do this and who knows we might be able to find out from them what they utilize, right? I think we have enough kind of safety measures within the ordinance itself to address that. I mean, you know, the violations. We don't want to see in that. That's the purpose of this. You know, but if the inspection is going to be an issue to begin with, and I think, you know, we'll see it coming through by means of violations and reporting. So I think you know, we'll start with that and maybe hear back from staff the later day. Thank you. All righty. Well I think we're ready for emotion now. I'll move for approval with the, I don't know if we actually made any changes to the language or not. Just the capping subject to increase or decrease by the second. We're going to leave it 500 but subject to council. I'll second back. Ready we have a motion in a second. Can I get a roll call please? On Dr. Odysteadler. Yes. Mazza. Yes. Maloney. Yes. Res. Yes. Great. Thank you so much. So we'll go ahead and move on now to item number 17. And if somebody wouldn't mind grabbing vice mayor Lee. Here she is. She's here. All right. So we're moving on now to item number 17, which is the HUD 2023 to 2024 Consolidated Annual Performance and Evaluation Report. We have one speaker on the side and that's Mr. Lume-McCannon. Thank you, good evening. This is pretty much a pro forma reports required every year by the federal government. We accept certain funds from them every year. This report is for the fiscal year 2023-2024, which is the fourth year of the five-year plan, we are currently in the fifth year of the current five-year plan, meaning that within the next year we'll need to be developing the plan for the following five years, which will be a very important document to be done. The amount of money that we get in from the federal government, there's two programs indicated on page seven of the document, and the resources made available from the CDBGA Community Belton Block Grant Funds. For this past year was $847,164. And from the home program was $569,982. Between the two it was less than a million and a half dollars. And those figures have been tending downward every year. So we do what we can with them. The main areas where we've been able to provide some work is on some minor and major rehabs for homeowners, a very low income status, and it's about seven in each category, so it's really a drop in the bucket compared to what the problems we are facing, but those are the limitations we have. We fund a couple of other operations, one of which is housing rights center. And I know there were some questions on that that Mayor Perez had raised at a recent meeting. It's a rather small budget, it's only 25,000. The question is, should we be spending more, do we need more resources to mostly dealing with 10 issues here to be able to respond more to them? The clientele served is certainly the kind of clientele we want to be targeting. Extremely low income, those below 30% of the area median income was almost 73% of the clients served. And low income and other 6% moderate income was 8.5% essentially. And the very low income was another little over 12%. So that's the kind of area. I think we need to be targeting. There are other things that don't show up in here, but we need to note, one really good thing the city is doing this year that we're finally going to see come to completion. That's the lantern terrace we'll be opening later this year. The application period just closed last weekend, the lottery, because we know there will be more applications coming in than there are of the 44 units that are available. We'll be held on the 30th of this month, and then there will be some interviews, make sure everybody meets the requirements, and then hopefully we'll be moving people in. We have another project. They're still working on putting together financing and other stuff on the other project, the Mariposa project. But when you look at the issue we just had before us recently, issue number four, is sort of points out the problem. We only have so much housing here. It's very difficult to build housing. Here we are spending a lot of money. We're developing 44 units with Mariposa be another 50 units. But if we have lost during Reena cycle 6, how many units will we have lost out of the housing stock going to short term rentals? And when I see emails come online advertising, we've just turned this for unit apartment building into all, it's all empty and it's all set up now for short term rentals. Where are the, how is this going to affect the school district? The short term rentals don't provide kids for the schools and so forth. You know, we have a community to serve here. So these are the issues that we kind of need to keep in mind, keep some balance. Doesn't mean you can't have some short-term rentals? But it doesn't mean we want to turn it into a community of where that's the only thing we've got. Thank you very much. Yeah. Thank you so much, Mr. McCammon. Did we have any questions or comments out of this item or did I have a motion? So moved second motion a second. Can I get a roll call? Mazza. Yes. Maloney. Yes. Andraudy Stadler. Yes. Lee. Yes. Press. Yes. Great. Next we have public comment for non-agentized items. Do we have any speaker cards from the public? Great. So my first speaker card is from Miss Jennifer Ing. Hello Madam Mayor and Council members. I just want to come tonight to say thank you for all that you do. You know, you showed it again tonight that you do listen to public comment, take that into account and continue your discussion. So I know I always feel heard. Sometimes we don't always get what we want, but I feel heard. And that's important. Council's prior to you have not always listened to the public perhaps as well as you guys do and I know I appreciate that. I'm excited that we're moving forward on a start preservation. The first commission meeting is on Wednesday and I think we're gonna have a really good turnout on that. So again thank you for all you've done to kind of continue to get that through the process as well as to staff. Thank you for all the commission members you appoint actually. They're kind of extensions of you. I know you work with your commission members. Talk to them kind of of what you're looking for. And I know you're busy. Sometimes it's hard to reach out to every commission member that you have, but it is important to reach out to them, see what's going on in their different commissions and boards to make sure, you know, the things you're looking for, the things you want your neighborhoods to have are being handled appropriately. Not everyone appoints neighbors, or you don't always appoint people in your own district, but I think that's a good thing. It kind of rounds things out. So again, thank you for all that you do. And really, that's all. And thank you, staff, too, for all you do. There's a lot of things going on right now that you guys are trying to a lot of balls in there. So thank you all very much. Thank you, Missing. Next up, we have Mr. Steve Placito. So, hi, Mayor Perez and Council members. I'm Cipocito and I'm a Director for the Tangible Valley Municipal Water District. I'm here tonight with information on water conservation and the district's rebate program. The water district supports water conservation in both environmental and economic reasons, and water conservation means different things to different people. For some, it means equipment such as installing water timers or high efficiency appliances. For others, it means such things as the length of your showers or leaving the faucet on while you brush your teeth. Kind of simple. The water district offers two outdoor rebate programs to empower our residents to conserve water. The new wash machines save money by using less water, less detergent, and less electricity. These models are gentler on clothes and more water is extracted during a spin cycle which saves time and money. Also, the bathroom is the greatest place to start saving water, upgrading to a high efficiency toilet results in an annual water savings of 20,000 gallons for a family of four. For information or questions about the rebate program, I would like to ask you to consider the best way to save water for the water. The bathroom is the greatest place to start saving water, upgrading to a high efficiency toilet results in an annual water savings of 20,000 gallons for a family of four. For information or questions about the rebate program, I encourage the residents or businesses to call the San Girovalli Municipal Water District, on number 626-969-79911, or they can email the district at rebates at sgvmwd.com or they can just go online to the district's website or the city's website. Both have that information available to them. There's been some comments that people have to go down to the district office to apply, but that's not true. You can apply on your phone, you can apply on your home computer, you can apply, apply and complete the application just about anywhere. So it's very convenient and it's accessible. Since 1959, the San Gabriel Valley Municipal Water District and the City of Elhamber have been great partners and work together very well to provide safe, dependable and sustainable water to all the residents and businesses in our community. That's all I needed to say. Thanks, have a good night. Thank you, Mr. Placido. Do we have any speakers via Zoom that we should speak? I am not seeing any raised hands on Zoom at this time. Great. We will go next to Council Communication. Council Member Andrade Stadler, why don't you start? Thank you so much. Thank you, staff, for such a great, great, busy week and busy meeting. Thank you so much. I want to first thank the residents of course, always weighing in and of course the city and city staff listening to Council and Council's vision for Alhambra, which is changed dramatically for a lot of folks, especially in the area of traffic safety. I know that we are, um, have a lot of grants out there hoping that we get extra dollars so that we can expand our bike and pedestrian safety plan. And I know that we have a lot of, um, irons in the fire to help, but however we have to compete against a lot of cities. But one of the things that, and we know that the state of California, no offense, but we're sort of overseen by the state and by the county and by these other entities that agencies that are governments that oversee cities. And sometimes local governments can actually take action. And I'm here to just actually ask the council to come up with ideas for a draft ordinance, for speed humps, not speed bumps. Because I know there's a big difference between the two. So first I'll ask our city manager if we have an ordinance in place and if we do I would just want us to maybe look at that and potentially change it or potentially add something since we are making changes to our pedestrian safety plan. I understand CalTrans's minimum requirements for speed humps is either 30 miles an hour or under. And that's about it. Do we have an ordinance, a manager? We're going to be considering traffic calming measures at your meeting on October 28th, which would be all inclusive of any speed reduction measures. And what those requirements would look like would be up to the council as we discuss those. We'll be pulling ordinances and policies from other cities and presenting to those to you on the 28th for your consideration. Can we make sure that we have one on speed? Humps. Great. Thank you. Great. Thank you. Councilmember Molloney. Yes. Thank you. And thank you, Councilmember Andrade Stadler, for that. I'm looking forward to that meeting. I think that's the next meeting we're having, right? No, no. Two meetings. I knew that. So I did want to just point out one thing, exciting, and that we did it. Part of the consent calendar here, consent agenda is adopting a resolution for formerly welcoming and recognizing the mayor of our sister city in Japan. City is Kiti Shima, and the mayor is Shinichi city in Japan. And the city is Kiti Shima. And the mayor is Shinichi Nakashige. He's going to be visiting at the towards the end of October right before our second meeting in October then. And it's a nice relationship that we're kind of continuing with them. I had the pleasure of visiting in 2022 or 23, I forget. And it was a great visit. It was a long trip from where we landed to where we ended up way down the southern part of Japan. But it was fantastic and we're excited to welcome him back here. And I think that was it for me tonight. Thanks to staff. It was a good productive meeting. Thank you. Councilmember Monser. Thank you, Mayor. So the only comment for me tonight is regarding some communication that we received from California Contract Cities Association, which is an association that we belong to. We've four members of and have been I think for quite some time. So they are taking a support position on Proposition 36, which is basically a proposition that is looking to strengthen and enhance public safety, which I've said along is something very important to me personally. I think the rest of the council as well. I think it sends a strong message to the community, to our police department also that we support them and we support any efforts to make sure that Al-Hambra stays at the forefront of protecting the city and its community. So the Board of Supervisors is meeting tomorrow night and they are taking a position of opposition on Prop 36, which again it's designed to try to enhance and strengthen public safety. So, I just wanted to say that personally I am putting out a letter in support of Prop 36 and hoping that the rest of the council may consider doing the same individually. Unfortunately, we don't have enough time to make this an agenda item and vote on it publicly in order for this to get to the board supervisors by tomorrow. But I definitely would like to support, again, the proposition and the need efforts by California Contract Cities Association. So again, encouraging the rest of the Council to do so and maybe even make a comment on it tonight if that's what they choose to do. Thank you. Mayor, I'd like to make an actual comment if I may in support of Proposition 36. I did my homework on it. Proposition 47 was passed in 2014. 14 and there's no doubt that proposition has improved the numbers of people who are being incarcerated and those numbers were important to take a look at. But in the area where it really did not change or it got worse was in the area of theft and drug. And so I understand this is information from the legislative analyst or the state of California. Prop 36 makes it a felony if a person has passed convictions of either burglary or carjacking. It does address retail as well, but you have to have, you would have to have, I think, two offenses. And so it increases the penalties for thefts. It also, which I think is really important, is it creates a treatment court for drug use. So those crimes that are, so the treatment will focus more on, or the courts will focus more on drug possession and crime. The only one that I think will be serving any prison, time will be those sentences for selling fentanyl and heroin. And those will be probably the most strongest part of proposition 36, which I think is very, very important, especially in the state of California, in the nation actually. So there's no doubt that Prop 47 did what it was set up to do. But there are some areas where it's definitely increased and that is property damage, property theft and drug. So that's why I am supporting it. Thank you. I'll go over to Vice-Marily. Thank you. Thank you, Council Member Maaza, for bringing up this particular Proc 36. This is late September. I'm imagining voters will be receiving the ballots pretty soon, probably I think, or first week of October, or if not, late September. In my humble opinion, I think the voters need to be very, very careful when you start voting for any measure, any candidate, especially with this year as a presidential election, that you spend the time to do the research carefully, not just looking at the glossy mailers because a lot of times everyone's going to put out their best side. But there's a lot to, there's a lot more information out there on the internet or just simply doing some research from the past. Let me focus on the propositions and measures I think in the past voters, including myself voted based on what is being said in the pamphlet, but oftentimes they're very confusing in terms of pros and cons. They both sometimes both say they look really good. And sometimes voters just tend to listen to the media or or just whoever is allowed is out there. Whoever has the most money, sending on mailers to support any particular site. And I think as voters, we need to use our intelligence. It's very important not to use our emotions, but use our own intelligence in figuring out what the possible outcomes of any particular measures or propositions. I'm a little bit intrigued or confused why ask the council to ask the council to ask the council to ask the council to ask the council to ask the council to ask the council to ask the council to ask the council to ask the council to ask the council to ask the council to ask the council to ask the council to ask the council to ask the council to ask the council to ask the council to ask the council to ask the council to ask the council to ask the council to ask the in terms of alerting people or taking actions at the county level, at the state level, even at the national level. So that's all I'm going to say tonight. Thank you. Thank you, Vice-Marilyn. And thank you, Council Member Mazda, for flagging this. This, you know, was not in my radar and appreciate you bringing this to our attention and authoring something. I'm going to go ahead and read off a couple of announcements that we have in the upcoming week. First mark your calendars for the El Hamba Recycles event on Saturday, September 28th at Granada Park, arrive between 80M and 12PM to recycle e-waste, shred documents, collect free compost and more. The first 130 cars get a free Fossilman's ice cream gift certificate. Also on Saturday, September 28th, the Chamber is hosting a day of service at El Hanber Park and El Mansor Park for clean-ups. Register on the Chamber's website at El Hanber Chamber dot org. Save the date, September 29th, El Hanber Fire Department and El'll hammer police department are hosting a safety fair beginning at 8 30 a.m. alongside the farmers market. Learn how to stay prepared, meet local safety experts and purchase your emergency kits on site. On Thursday, October 3rd, join the I'll hammer police department for the pink patch project fundraiser at Baja Kali located at 2001 West Valley Boulevard. Join us for Autumn Fest and Hall-Hember Park on October 5th at 9am and look forward to a morning full filled with fall fun, a pumpkin patch, a maze, and seasonal activities. The Hall-Hember Fire Department is also hosting the annual open house and pancake breakfast on Saturday, October 12th, from 9 a.m. to noon. Stop by Fire Station 71 located at 301 North First Street for a free pancake breakfast, equipment demonstrations, station tours, and meet Sparky the Firedog. Great. That is it in terms of announcements. We have now completed all of the items on this evening's agenda. Our next regular meeting will be on Monday, October 14th. The meeting is now adjourned. I'm going to go to the library. I'm going to go to the library. I'm going to go to the library. I'm going to go to the library. I'm going to go to the library. I'm going to go to the library. I'm going to go to the library. I'm going to go to the library. I'm going to go to the library. I'm going to go to the library. 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