Sorry, I'm ready. Okay, Kim. Mandy? Right. We are. Well, welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to your Non-Allen City Council workshop meeting. We have several guests here tonight. We're going to enjoy hearing. And we're pleased you're here in attendance. If you would, join me with the Pledge of Allegiance. I put a little against the fire. have a healthy United States for America and to be a republic for which it stands one nation under God, individual with liberty and justice for all. Is there any one of the audience who would like to offer an open prayer? Anyone in the office? Audience? Yes, young man. Yes sir. I'll leave. Please, please. Please come up. Come up please. That's to welcome. Welcome. Let's power heads. Dear Father, we just thank you so much for allowing us to gather together today and Father, we just ask Lord that you would just be with all the denailing council as they are listening to all that's going to be happening today, conducting the business Lord that you just provide them the wisdom to make good decisions this afternoon Lord and Father, we just ask that you would just bless this meeting and Jesus name. Amen. Man clerk. Yes, sir. Mayor Green. Here. Vice Mayor Inzki. Here. Councilman Lehman. Here. Councilwoman Hanchard. President. Sean McLean, Finance Officer. Here. Chad Ward, Public Works Manager. Here. Councilwoman Hanchar. President. Sean McLean, finance officer. Here. Chad Ward, pilot works manager. Here. Captain Bray. Here. Michelle Leonard, assistant clerk. Here. Julie Denowski, records clerk. Here. City Attorney Andrew Han. I'm here. The agenda for this meeting was posted on the city's website. City Hall Bulletin Board on Monday, April 28, 2025. The agenda was amended on Tuesday, April 29th to add item number 7b. Do we have anyone signed up for a public comment? Yes, sir. I have art Jones. Okay, art, welcome. Yeah, hi, Council. Happy, uh, Sync of the My own. Yeah, Sync of the My own. I have some good news to share with the Council. Just this last Friday, some people were down visiting Dunnellin on a yoga retreat and they wanted to do a community service project and they contacted me and I said, I don't know, it had to be on a Friday. So anyway, we figured it out. And so we had nine people in the water, very carefully hand picking, hand picking, hydrilla, from in between where the eel grass was growing. Because you know, we're trying to reestablish the eel grass. And then the hydrilla gets in there and wants to cover it up and steal all its sunlight and if you hand pick that hydraulic out then the eel grass that we planted has a better chance of growing. So it was very successful and so I think I might do it again. It was interesting to think of what got snorkels and fins and got down there and very carefully picked out the Hydrilla. And it was amazing because the eel grass is like thank you. I can put it on the roots, get some sun. And the other good news I have is that on May 22, which is right before Memorial Day weekend, Duke energy is volunteering to come out and help clean up the city beach. So we can get it all cleaned up on that Thursday, May 22nd for the kids from Memorial Day weekend. The Duke Energy people are amazing what I call, they're sort of like the muscle. When they got together, she says I got 50 50 people that want to help. I said, no, no more than 20. Because it's just a small little park. So I'm looking forward to doing that. And so we don't need any additional volunteers. But if you want to just come out that day, if you have time and just thank them and talk to them and see who they are, highly recommended. With time. That's going to be 9 to 11. Yep, on that's Thursday the 22nd. Yep. All right, that's it. Thank you. Congratulations. Thank you. Any one else, Mandy? I don't have anyone else on that. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to address the council at this point in time? Any public comments? Yes, David? I get that thing. Dave Porter, one, one, eight, three, five East Blue Code Drive in Denowland. So I want to publicly state something that's probably very obvious to everyone right now. after a lot of toil and doing a root cause analysis on all of our history of our police department and making positive decisions on it, I want to tell you the observations from a citizen of what I see. I see people being pulled over left and right on the highway. And the words out, you're a fool if you go speeding through Dunneller right now. And on the weekdays and weekends I see a lot of patrol up and down the river. And one of the nicest things on two occasions driving through down at night. I still see a bright light going down the backside of stores doing observations. So we have turned the corner. I think we have police officers now working for us that is protecting the citizens and no longer is it as scary to walk across the highway. Good job. Thank you. Is there anyone else in the audience who would like to address the council? Anyone? Seeing no one we'll move on to board reports. Any board reports? Any, you want to? Just an Ellen Chamber of Business Association report. You got it, Art? Okay, well that's what we're moving to, ladies and gentlemen. Judy, as you know, had that throat surgery, so I volunteered to give a report for her. The Dennell and Chamber Business Association is having some upcoming events. May 6, the 13th, the 20th, and the 27th, the greater Dennell and the historical society is going to be open from 9 to 12 on William Street. So those are some extra days that they're going to be open. The chamber's also having an upcoming dinner mixer at the Boys and Girls Club right here in Dunnellan, the club right there across from Walmarts there. And the guest speaker is going to be the United Way President Bob Height, he's the United Way President here in Marion County. Dinners are $20 for members and $25 for nonmembers. So if you want to attend that, that should be a pretty good event. And then just real quick, the Rainbow Springs Art Class schedule on May 10th. They're having oil painting, morning glow, 10 to 2 p.m. Instructor's going to be Sean Mullins, classes fee is $60 plus $10 for supplies. May 18th, create an artistic vision board that works 1030 to 1230. The instructor's going to be Bridget Hanley. I mean, she's a great lady. So the class fee, there is only $40 with a $5 supply fee. And then May 16th, May flowers on the rocks. 2 to 4 p.m. Instructor is Peggy Evans Hughes. $20 class fee plus $10 supply fee. May 17th. Fun and easy faces, 1 to 3 PM. Instructor's going to be Rowena, Mariello, the class fee $60 plus $10 supply fee. And then finally, on May 24th, creative foundations and introduction into drawing and painting techniques from 12 noon to 2 p.m Instructors going to be Lauren Neilsen class fees 65 dollars plus a $15 supply fee and we also have put if you if everybody didn't write it down in time We've got the flyers out there on the front desk and pick up on your front desk there in city Hall. So it's going to be busy month of May. Any questions for Art? Art, how are you doing on your July thing? The spring festival is coming right along. We picked up a couple of really nice sponsors and we've already got vendors asking about it. We were able to get the sales tax licensing and everything done. So we're moving ahead and we met with public works the other day. Going over the electrical supplies there, make sure we don't overload anything and stuff like that. And we're getting it lined up. So we're coming together. Very much. It's going to be a fun event for the July. The hot, but we're planning on putting up some cooling tents. So we can get these little mistors inside the tents for cooling. And we're also going to ask if anybody has an extra 10 by 10 pop up tent. We'd love to borrow the tents or if somebody's got tents that they're not using. We'll be collecting them so that we can put up extra little pop up shade tents on the 4th of July And we'll have some tables under there with chairs where people can sit down and eat We've got Angie bees because she's bringing she's doing the smoked ribs So most of the smoke ribs are gonna be cooked off site But we're gonna have a smoker there on site to keep the smoke going and and make sure we don't run out So it's going to be pretty exciting. But yeah, we're looking for pop-up tents. Anybody in the audience are listening at home on the TV there. We need pop-ups. Everyone's got one in the garage, right? All right, thank you. Anyone else? Valor, do you have anything? Do you know what time the dinner is on the 27th of the Boys and Girls Club? I believe it, you're I believe it's not on here. I believe it's 6 o'clock though. I think that's a good guess. It'll be on the Chamber website and probably on their Facebook. I hope to see you there. All right. Thanks, Art. to move on now to presentations. We'll move to item 4A, Florida Governmental Utility Authority. We want to welcome Mr. Will Fontaine, back to our wonderful city of Dunnellan, who we've worked together for many years. Welcome you here, Will. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Mayor Green. Blast from the past, for sure. Few of you were here seven years ago when we started on a mission to basically save the river and get a lot of infrastructure put in for free. When I met with Mayor Green a few months ago, I was pretty excited to hear from him and catch up, but more importantly, his tenacity and willingness to get some more money for the community through grants. And we've done a lot of work and he asked me to come and give the city an update. Give everybody here an update on all the good progress that we've completed so far. And some of the projects that we plan on going for in the future for the citizens, not just the community of Denella, but really the citizens across the whole service area. So with that said, I'm going to jump to the next slide. I'm just going to give a good overview. Pretty amazing. People ask me all the time about grant money, how do you get all this money, or you're a grant writer, or do this, or that. I usually just tell them well. I'm pretty good with people, and I'm smart, but the real truth is really the person may or may not be quite responsible for getting my juices flowing about seven years ago. Don Bound, Mayor Green, myself, before the FDA on the utility was fighting pretty hard to get some money for a few of these projects. Mayor Green and Don Bound visited the Management Springs Committee projects and meetings with the water management districts. And that was probably the first time I heard Mayor Green tell one of his stories. And I'm still not there yet, I can tell you that. you got a few years on me. But Y'all all know what a great storyteller he is. But he sat in that room and I swear after he told the story about the river and the citizens and the community, you just had to get him money. Just as the way it was. And then his you know, his tenacity, he traveled to Tallahassee himself several times and I did also. So one of the projects that's listed on, well really most of these projects are a lot of good vision from the city. And so what we did is we just, you know, simply carried on what the city's vision was. And part of that big vision was, and the most critical thing was getting all the septic tanks off of the river. Especially the ones adjacent to it. You know, the nutrients are going into the river. Actually met Art today and, you know, he's helping clean up the river. And it's like, yeah, you can get all the grass out of there we still got to get rid of the nutrients and believe me we're working hard to do that so next slide please. This is the chat Mars after the sewer. This one's pretty much coming to a completion. We do have a small little section. You'll see in some of the coming slides, but this was roughly about 300 septic tanks throughout the Chatmire subdivision. And of course, it's significantly going to help the river. This one was one of the first projects that I was pretty proud of. We actually just being aware of this river is helped a lot, being in a primary focus area, but this was the first project that the state awarded for the customers didn't pay anything. And most of those projects are 50%. You know you 50% of the money. But I thought, what? Hey, it doesn't say you can't get 100% of the money. So we were already set up to win with all of Mayor Green's help. So it was the first project in the state of Florida that I know of, especially in this area, that received 100% funding for septic dissuers. So the customers, you know, simply they don't pay anything to hook up. There's no impact fee payment. The grant covered all of that. Next slide, please. And then there are just a few pictures. That's a new lift station, new roadways. You may have heard that the county also is work close with us in the subdivision and they will be paving the roads and in addition we improved a lot of the roads and put them back better than they were. But we worked with the county and Kathy Bryant, the commissioner that represents this area to get roads and throughout the whole subdivision too. So just to win, win. This project was roughly the funding that we got for it was $11.2 million. You know how cost of escalated. Originally we got $3.7 million. And I can tell you that when I went back to everybody and asked for an additional $7.5 with more ideas and roads and force means they tried to laugh me out of the room and I took a beaten but I didn't give up and we did get the money so we can complete the project moving on to the next one. This one and this is what I'll give you a little bit of detail try to stay high level. Some of you know, I wouldn't be surprised if Mayor Green didn't know, but all of the wastewater that's going to the city of Denellon's original existing wastewater plant, all the sewage goes right over the bridge, it's hanging on the bridge. That's the wastewater force main that goes to the city sewer plant. Well, you could surmise that all the sewage, several hundred thousand gallons of sewage a day, is going through one pipe. So when we started looking at the hydrolyx and just future commitments with building, we certainly decided with the rainbow springs facility. We did put a pipe under the river that's already there. So what this project does is basically run an additional force main up to the rainbow springs area and tie it into it. So we're under, you know, analysis right now, a few different routes to accomplish that. We do have enough funding left to do it. So, now in the future, we already have sewage flowing under, need to river up by rainbow springs. So now we can redirect flows either way and it gives you a good availability and not just having a single point of failure. But if you have a problem with one force main, you can certainly convey the sewage differently. Next slide please. And that one is currently in design. You know, we're jumping over here to this pretty busy map. This is the Rainbow Springs Rio Vista, septic dissuuer. Originally this one, it's pretty proud of this one too. We fought all over the place trying to get money for this project. And when this money was allocated for this project was about $10.8 million and you'll know, cost or continuing to arise. It was the single biggest allocation of federal springs grant money and history for a project. So we're pretty proud of that. Of course, I put you in a position to build all American, but that's okay with us. We've got the money. We're at 90% complete on the design right now. I think they're waiting on the last few of my protegees out here and myself to review the plans and make sure they're good to go. So we do see this project kicking off the first phase of it pretty soon. The next challenge we're going to have with this project is Eastman acquisition. We've got a lot of infrastructure put in, purchasing some land for some lift stations, which we're working on right now. But every one of these properties, and we do have an update meeting coming up, I think in a month or so, that's going to be up in the Rainbow Springs Community Center. We'll give everybody some good updates and progress of what's going on. Next slide, please. This is the 180th Avenue package plant abatement. Everybody I think knows where the 180th is. There's a project for the city originally had roughly 2.2 million dollars to run a pipe all the way down the 180th that is the very first project we had in the Nellon. City was spent under the wheels a little bit, you know, with getting the project kicked off and, you know, quite a bit of a deficit and the operations budget and rate increases. But we did get this project's been completed for some time, but what this did, this project set up, this project when we put the force main in, this project here is going to take off the campground at the state park, which the state's happiest can be about that. It's a tidill sewer plant that had you know its issues a high level of nutrients being discharged that facility is actually already off on and the waste waters being conveyed to the wastewater facility the the last old piece of the project that we have is the school. The lift station is operating there. We have one more section of pipe to put in, so we can take that sewer plant offline. So that's a big task, but awesome, awesome project also. To get those little sewer plants offline and get the nutrients much lower, most of you probably know, but the Dennelem sewer plant does have the capability of bringing nutrients down much lower. It is somewhat of an advanced treatment plant that was designed to operate at a lower nutrient level. Next slide please. And this is the one Mayor Grayman we were talking about. This is the Rainbows Springs decommissioning. Originally, this sewer plant, there was thought of rebuilding it. It's a pretty old plant, A lot of fractures, a lot of issues. So really the engineering firms look at it. Today, you know, it's just putting lipstick on a pig. And it's just not going to give you a whole lot of time. A lot of life cycles. So basically, the sewer plant was decommissioned and turned into a pumping station section of it. So now all the wastewater, several hundred thousand gallons a day is being conveyed to the existing to Nellon wastewater facility. When we took the system over, when I looked at the records of this facility and it is part of the reason, you know, sometimes failure is good when you're trying to get grant money. But the nitrogen limits for 27 milligrams per liter coming out of this facility, which is quite hot. Our denellen wastewater facilities produce in three and four milligrams per liter of nitrogen. And it's being used up by the pasture land that we're spraying it on. When you check the water that's going down in the ground from the denellen wastewater treatment facility, the monitoring wells to see what kind of nutrients are being released in the ground, they're pretty much zero. So that's a win-win. You know, we're not contaminating the river, we're over with the nutrients. Next slide, please. And then we're going to jump into our own projects. But I do want to say, mayor, if you've heard this number, I just was sitting in the audience, because I have to usually figure it out, figure it out. But you're the guy who started this and took out my phone and did the calculator because I forget. I worked for grant money all over the state of Florida and not just the city of New Nellon. But what you started is amazing. And when I added it up, we're at $28.5 million in grant funding that we've brought this I'm just gonna say that I'm just gonna say that I'm just gonna say that I'm just gonna say that I in your head well enough to know how important this river is for everybody. We all have the same comment goal. We want to to clean it up. We want to get rid of the new trends. But again, that's hats off to you. You started the trend, and we just keep on going. So that's that. I'll jump over. Since 2020, just some of the R and R projects that we've done, it's pretty massive. We did have a bit of an influx of money in the beginning. And there was a lot of stuff that just wouldn't be in fixed. You know, basically the city had ran out of money. You know, the revenues didn't support all the repairs that had to be done. So since 2020, we've completed 438 projects in the utilities system. There was a lot of lift stations with one pump and a, and it was pretty scary. There were two lift stations in particular, Mary Street. It pretty much pumps the majority of the sewage to the wastewater facility. And I think me and John were, probably stayed up late at night many times thinking about that lift station. But we jumped on that one pretty quick. But you can just see the magnitude, about $4.3 million, a lot of replacement projects, just new pumps, new equipment, and on and on. Next slide, please. And well, jump on this one first. This is at our Water Treatment Facility, where the big tower is. This one was actually in our capital planning this generator to replace it, but somebody helped just get it done quicker and ran through defense and hit the generator and pretty much destroyed it. So this is a somewhat recent project, but we do have a nice new generator at the water facility. Next slide please. This is one of them that I wanted to talk about. It's a bit worried. I don't know who wrote it. I don't know if it was John or probably because he lost a lot of sleep, you know? And I was like, man, you know, and it actually took out about a paragraph of that last night in about midnight. Man, yeah, that's good. Leave behind material, but I'm just messing with you, Joe. But this is one of the lifts stage. This lifts stage, a lifts stage 11 that's in rainbow springs. It's a master station that pumps all the sewage to the facility. It had one pump at it when we took the utility over. Very scary lifts station. Very challenging to do or rehab on it. We literally had to borrow on under the road, catch a man hole, and go completely around the lift station with three bob pass pumps. Very tough job, but we kept everybody in service. And I'm pretty proud of this one. It's friends making new all new electrical, new piping, new pumps. So we do sleep better at night when we start thinking about lift station 11. Next slide, please. And this one was the scariest one to me. Because I, first couple of weeks I was here, I went to this lift station, I turned the pumps off, and the station filled up in about three minutes. And it was getting ready to overflow. And I said, wow, and this thing seems like, put a few more lift stations on it. But anyhow, we did rebuild this one. I believe it was 2023 depicted in that picture. So we got on this one pretty quick, got funding. And you can see one of the pipes. Probably should have showed some of other pipes that were spraying holes out of them and all that stuff, but we've got really expensive stainless steel piping in this lift station. That's not something you typically use, but this lift station is the heartbeat of pumping wastewater into Nellin. And if this one overflows, it goes right down to the river. So we put a lot of backup equipment in here. I can't remember John, is this one a generator or a bath pass pump that we put generator? So, you know, we have a good electrical source and we also have portable, we bought a portable pumping six-inch pump. Really, mostly for this station, you know, we can pull it around. We have several of them and we have lots of them all over the state, but there's one specifically that we bought that stays here at the plant ready to go to this lift station. If this lift station has a pump problem, our contract operator knows you better get the bypass pump over there and hook it up now. We don't just react to the problems. So sleep a lot better at night with this project end done too. Next please. And then I just wanted to talk about some of the operations challenges that the city had and we also have, we're making headway. The rainbows, the rainbows, the rainbows, the rainbows, the rainbows, the rainbows, the rainbows, the rainbows, the rainbows, the rainbows, the rainbows that didn't count over waters anywhere from, you know, 40% to 80%. You know, depends on how you follow it. There's a lot of leaks or there's water going somewhere. There's a lot of stuck meters that we're not getting revenue off of. So we started analyzing everything one of the quick ones was the meters. The meters in rainbow springs are 20 to 30 years old. The F-2A owns a bench test so we can test meters internally to see how they, what the accuracy is. Well, meters 25, 30 years old, although I wouldn't want them to be inaccurate, they weren't. You know, they built them well back then, and most of them were 95% to 100% accurate. We knew that there was a lot of leaks, because when we first took the system over, we fixed over 100 service lines and rainbow springs. I mean, it was literally, you could see it leak in everywhere. You know in the beginning they just kept you know adding to the list. So we have fixed a couple hundred of those. We do have recently was with this the water management district doing leak detection. The city's done leak detection for years. Everybody's done leak detection for years. and it just wasn't the best technology. However, recently, they came out with new technology that's pretty darn amazing. And so we worked with the water management district and our field people, Gary Pistic and John Orrell, and went through this and Rainbow Springs recently. And found hundreds and hundreds of leaks and I mean they found them pretty darn quick too so that was pretty amazing the new technology. Luckily we do have $750,000 in this year's budget and we're working diligently to replace a lot of those lines in In case you didn't know what the lines are, is there a black polyline you may have heard stories about them in the past. Basically it's a thin wall, black polybutylene line that's service lines that go to the house. They're very thin, so they wear holes in them and what makes it so challenging is it's a lot of little leaks and they don't surface. You know, so they wear holes in them. And what makes it so challenging is it's a lot of little leaks, and they don't surface. So they stay underground because it's kind of high in dry and rainbows springs, but we're starting to make some headway and hope to have good results, working with the agencies and US water, and us all just teaming up. Because that's the only way we're going to fix this problem. It's working hard as a team and being tenacious and just keep getting after next one please. I don't want to throw one slide up there. I'm not going to try to go into detail about development because you all know much better than I do. But this is just a slide we leave with you that there's some pretty big subdivisions that are happening and coming forward. You know, one of the big ones on there's 986 single family of residents called Blue Run Ranches. That's Mr. San Diego McBride that owns that property that's adjacent. That's also the property that was annexed into the city and was approved originally to put septic things in. But anyway we just wanted to, I'm sure y'all know about most of these, a few small ones but it appears that there's some big ones proposed comment and I know y'all have to go through your process so again I'm sure y'all know all about them. Next, please. Yeah, so when we talk about development, we're actually talking to Mayor Varene. I'm working with the county. We actually had a meeting with our board member, that's our board member with F-G-A. His name's Joshua Kramer. He's fairly new. but we do have these big developers come into us and we've got to all work together. I think we all have to do have the same common goal, but we've got to make the right decisions for the future of all this community. And It's kind of been the cities, even the city's idea, my idea, can be, there's all these ideas but really the idea that's been on the table for a while is building the sewer plan out by the airport, a regional sewer plan to serve all of this area and get the sewer plan over here off the river and get the state back in their land and probably go to the next level with nutrient removal. But it's probably the only option we have or viable option if the road is going to come and it looks like it's coming from from what I see. So I'll be working close with Mayor grain You know, I don't want to commit to anything. You know, I was gonna ask for about 50 million to get us started That'll probably get us close to building one MGD plant, you know for the first phasing and If if anybody can pull it off we can And like I said, we're having a workshop with the working clothes of the county, and we're having a workshop with them here pretty darn soon to make that decision, because it's time to make that decision, how we're gonna convey water, and how we're gonna serve the people in the future. So that one's gonna get my juices juices flowing. See what we can get out of the state in this next funding cycle. So any questions, be more than happy to answer any that you have. Valerie? Just because you just said about the Crops and New Suror plant. Make sure I'm there for by the way my dad was at that one he built the first one he designed it built the first one right that's what I remember he was extra metal yes yes he was texted I remember that so but my question to you is that because you just said that I know that on top of the world. It's about that, talked about almost, but it's up to that area. Would that be somebody that you could maybe? It can be, we've discussed that. And we've also discussed in the somewhat same general area, John, could probably answer it better than me. The county's going through a big expansion too. So there is some interest around a force main down 484, but it really to convey the sewage to them in the future. I mean, it really comes down to what's best to me for the citizens in the area. I personally feel like building a regional facility out by the airport stay answer. I could be wrong. We're digging into it, but until somebody completely convinces me differently, we'll stay on that path. And I'm sure you all know the county owns a couple hundred acres up north of 40. And that was one of the original ideas is running the force main all the way up that way. When or if that ever happens I'm not sure you know farmer uses that land irrigates it and I believe takes the hay off the property right now but it's a big piece of property and it would accommodate it. My concern is always in the beginning is the watershed goes from north to south in this area. So probably not the greatest place for a sewer plant. When you look out at the airport, believe it or not, it's far enough away. It doesn't impact the river the way it flows. It's very minimal. But you know there's a lot of hydrologist you know hydrology studies and and that show that basically you know people at heck a lot smarter than me or know which way the water's going but but great question. And last thing of course the the big project that you're doing getting all the subjects off the rainbow river That's still starting up by the head springs and coming down into reivista is the whole project called the reivista Yes, it is it is the you know then tent is starting just like you said at the head spring and coming all the way down I have a little bit of concern about the $10.8 million doing the project. The way prices keep going and what's going on right now and interest rates, we'll see. But I can tell you that I'm pretty sure that if, so we're going to phase it out. So we can still fit it out and get started if the beds come in too high. But I can pretty much guarantee that DEP is not going to want us to stop if we need more money. And I know Walter or Ole help us will go after some more money to finish that project because they want the subject things off the river just as bad as we do. And they're great projects. And they're not easy projects. If you were going to go pick projects for a business, that would not be the projects you want to pick is getting septic things out anywhere. It doesn't go over too well. But with everybody's hard to work and nobody has to pay out any type of money. Zero dollars, it's pretty friendly compared to places we've done septic dissuera projects where they have to shell out 20,000, that's not a good meeting. And DelAN right now is up to 41,000 where they're passing people, you know, so the grant money helps, the most you can shave down the better for sure for the... I mean, I was on the Rainbow River Advisory Board when I was 27, that was just a few years ago, by the way. And that was one of our products that we wanted to get done. And we had big means about it. And back then, people were being told that they would be paying $25,000. And that was back, again, two, three years ago, I wish. But so yeah, I mean, if we can get it done for free now, there'll be a little moaning and groaning from all of us, but it's worth it to save the river. We don't get another rainbow river in aquifer, so we have to do what we have to do. But thank you for all your hard work, great presentation. Yep, thank you. Any more questions? I got two. Yes, sir. They're putting in the RV park, the 228 unit RV park on 40. Just know if it will spring. Is there going to be upgrades to the water service to make sure that the pressure is maintained with the additional service? Well they're running new water mains. You feel about additional pressure for the system or just a differentics. I don't think that's going to be required There may be some looping of water mains that needs to be done from a hot grollics I haven't followed that project for a close but I have talked about it with John and the development team Okay, because I know that and in my house one of the complaints is a water pressure There was a V-turn on one faucet. And that leads to the second thing a couple of months ago, we've had people coming in from the East Side of Den Allen who say that basically if you open one spigot can't do anything else in the house. Do you have any plans in the future to work on upgrading their water service? I do. You know one of them is hookin up to Marion County Airport because the east side, once you go over the river and the elevations, the water tower, you're pretty restricted to the height of the water tower. You really can't increase pressure in a way that it's designed right now. You get two point, for every two point, three one feet, you get one pound of pressure. So when you see the height the tank really was shorter than it should have been. It should have been a bit taller of a tank. But at the same time I think a lot of people were concerned with you know all the age piping goes all the way back to 1911. There's a lot of asbestos piping that leaks a lot. But I do have plans personally to increase the pressure in the future. I know how to increase it. But I'd really like to see two zones. I like to see a whole water treatment facility on the other side of the river for redundancy. But you could bring it to pressure after you could even bring it up a little bit in the Nellin. But cause of elevation changes on the east side, you're gonna need a sore swatter, whether it's a booster station. Right now you can put a tank in and boost the pressure on the east side. but the pressure on the e east side is pretty pitiful to me, but it is in our five-year plan to correct that. Do you have a time line on that plan? On that plan, it was in our five-year plan. I would say that's probably going to come sooner than later because development's driving that situation. So we're going to have to have a water source on the other side of the river for the East Side people. It's just the existing plant is not going to do it. Unless we start putting bigger mains under the river. But pretty much this facility is close to capacity. Now, we can shove a lot of water from rainbows springs to the city and provide plenty of pressure to the city. We can provide more pressure than you want to deal with. So that's another option too. But with all the leaks that are going on and rainbows springs right now, we're a little bit fearful of raising the pressure any more than it is. I understand it. Okay. Yeah. All right. Anything else, Rick? Tim? I just have one question. I'll develop, I'll develop it so we all see coming out in the, you mentioned the thin poly lines. Have the standards been changed? Oh certainly. I was assuming so, but no. Yeah,ie's used quite a bit still, but it's about four times thicker than it used to be. Okay. And it's also UV resistant. That black poly that they put in the lawn, you know, where it runs under the ground, and the dirt the UV goes right through and destroys it. So it's a pretty junky pipe that they used in the past. It was so cheap. That's why everybody was using them with the poly, the HDPE that they used now. It's pretty good stuff. You can beat it to death and it just keeps on going. Yeah. Great. Well, I can't take it enough. I'm not leaving on much other. But all you got to do is bow as far as leaks versus this, versus little piping versus a fresher. It's a tough job, utilities are tough, you know. I'm doing John, New Taipei. Yeah, John's a great guy, but you know it always tells you, man how smart are we really, you know, to be in the utility business. It's a tough business to be in. And you get beat up a lot, but we're public servants. That's everybody you see out there, they love the public. They love the citizens, and that's why everybody here does it. We love people, and we're public servants. Yep. And I'm telling you, crew, John, you've been getting through you've been getting through you've been getting through you've been getting through you've been getting through you've been getting through you've been getting through you've been getting through you've been getting through you've been getting through you've been getting through you've been getting through you've been getting through you've been getting through You know nothing, it's, you know, it's action, it's facts. You can use it back where we're going. And I think our council is full support of whatever we can do to enhance our water resources in southwest Marin County and you have a good partner in the city of Dunnellan. I appreciate that mayor Green. All right, well I certainly appreciate you being here. You've You've got a whole state to run well and to take the time to come to our little city is very impressive. Oh, yes sir. Yes sir. I would deal with a few people, important people. I was in Pampa this morning at a 10 o'clock meeting with the Department of Defense and the defense logistics agency. some of you may know that we own the Air Force base at McDill, the utilities, pretty high level people and we're meeting with the Secretary of the Air Force next week. So, you know, we're trying to get $100 million for a sewer were playing over there through funding. You need me in Tampa. I know if I called you, you would come. Oh, certainly. Yeah. But thank you very much. All right. Well, thank you. Half of the city of Dunnell, and we're very proud of that to you, eh? Thank you. Yes, sir. The most staff is in the city. Yeah. Every absolutely. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yes sir. Yes sir. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. It's oozely. Oh, okay. Welcome. Thank you. Good evening, Mayor and Council members. My name is Tonya Oosley. I'm here as a member of the tobacco free partnership of Mary County and also as a representative of the community council. Yes, welcome to views. I'm here today to follow up on your interest about the tobacco free parks initiative and inquire on the readiness move forward with it. So in February you had a presentation from one of my colleagues and the council requested a simple policy language which you guys should have packets that include that. It reflects similar ordinances that have passed across Florida. Today I have Hillary Jackson here with me. She's the facilitator for the tobacco free partnership, and she's here to answer any questions that I may not be able to answer. So this past Saturday, we have our youth members from our SWAT and SAAG clubs, and they met with the tobacco free partnership and CASA volunteers over at the boat ramp. And we spent about an hour cleaning up outside of the boat ramp. The park is very well maintained, it's very clean. We commend you on that. But this is what we found in just about an hour of tobacco litter. These items are small, they're toxic, they're persistent, they're very hard to spot and even harder to clean up regularly. So the issue isn't just about litter, it's about protecting both our environment and the community's health, especially our youngest residents who frequently use the parks and playgrounds. Exposure to tobacco litter and second-hand spoke poses real health risks and families should feel confident that the spaces that they use are safe and clean for children to explore, play and grow. We'd also like to share that the Marion County Board of County Commissioners is currently workshopping the same policy and the city of Bellevue has just recently passed theirs. Communities across Florida have embraced this effort as part of the Bureau of Tobacco Free Florida Statewide Initiative and right now we're at 107 policies across 41 counties. We know enforcement often comes up as a concern and most communities treat these policies as an opportunity for education rather than punishment. Signage and public awareness go a long way towards compliance. We appreciate your time, leadership and commitment to the health and safety of the Nellin and we we would be honored to support you in taking the next step towards the tobacco free parks policy. Thank you. Any questions? No. tonight to review a draft ordinance. We have a draft ordinance under item seven. Oh, I'm sorry. So we'll be talking about that. We have Andrew and I have some questions about some areas of the ordinance that we'll need to discuss, but that'll come later. And if this, if we finalize this ordinance tonight, it could go for first reading next week for Final reading of public hearing and adoption in June Great you have anything? Well, thank you. I don't seem to have any questions for you I know we've studied this issue the council was just pleased for your earlier tenants in explaining this issue. And it sounds like you're in good standing with the city and we'll put something together. Thank you. And congratulations on your reference. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. We'll move on now to... Item 4C, Florida Friendly Landscape, Mandy Odom, City Clerk. Okay. I'm going to put on my Florida Friendly Landscaping hat. This is required by our MS4 storm order permit that we do certain public education throughout the year including for to friendly landscaping. So I had a gentleman by the name of forest at the Sarasota County Extension provide me with his slideshow presentation so that I could meet the requirements of our permit. Okay. Today we're going to talk about what the Florida friendly landscaping is and why it came about and what the non-Fort of friendly landscaping principles are. We're also going to cover why it's important to follow those principles. The legislative definition of Florida Friendly Landscaping includes quality landscapes that conserve water, protect the environment, and are adaptable to local conditions and are drought tolerant. Florida Friendly Landscaping is slightly different throughout the state because we have three distinct regions and multiple climate zones. Recognizing some, recognizing the home landscape as part of a larger natural system will help citizens make sound decisions in creating a Florida friendly yard. The mission of the Florida friendly landscaping program is to educate Floridians about science-based, environmentally friendly landscaping practices, and to encourage them to conserve and protect our water and natural resources by applying Florida-friendly landscaping principles in their landscapes. Florida-friendly landscaping is an integrated approach to maintaining an attractive, colorful and averse yard that is friendly to wildlife and can serve natural resources. The goals are to conserve water and protect water quality. Right plant, right place is the overriding principle because if plants are adapted to site conditions, they will require less irrigation and fertilizer. For yard, your yard is the first line of defense in preserving Florida's fragile environment. There are non-principals that make up Florida-friendly landscaping. We will talk about each of these principles as we move through the presentation. If you follow these principles, you will contribute to protecting and conserving our water while also protecting our wildlife. At the same time, you will have beautiful and sustainable landscapes. Florida's population is expected to double by 2070, which may increase need or demand for fresh water. The resulting development increases non-permeable surface area, which decreases the amount of permeable and land and habitats that filter pollution run off before it returns to the aquifer. This program was implemented because of population growth. In 2002, there were 12 million people who lived here and now there are over 20 million. The state, along with the University of Florida, worked on a project back in 2010 which showed what Florida's population would look like in 2070. The red in the image represents developed areas in 2010, dark green represents protected areas and light green represents other rural areas. This slide represents the statewide 2070 trend. can see there will be significant growth by 2070 compared to the previous slide from 2010. The growth will be extremely impactful and it is necessary to have better landscapes. One of Florida's greatest natural resources is its water. These water resources contribute to the quality of life for Florida residents and tourists alike. We have natural springs, creeks, rivers, estuaries, fishing opportunities, and beaches. All that water is connected to our landscapes. The misuse of fertilizers and pesticides can be major contributors to water pollution. When we have issues with our water, like the Red Tide Week experience several years ago, it can be very significant for tourism and fishing industries. Those industries can lose billions of dollars and small businesses can fail. A decrease in beautiful waterways can cause a decrease in tourists and tourism dollars from people who enjoy visiting Florida for its beaches, fishing, camping, and other outdoor recreation. Also, there are health concerns. There are two main harmful algae blends that are fueled by high nutrients and poor water quality. These algae blends can cause rashes, respiratory issues, and other negative effects. These are the reasons we need to be focused on our water quality. Because many of the plants used in Florida very widely in their adaptation, consideration should be given to choosing plants that are suited to their particular environment. Selecting the right plant, right place considers moisture, light, soil, temperature, and other characteristics of the planting site. Irreful planting and site evaluation are the first steps in applying this concept. The cornerstone of the Fort-Afril landscaping program is putting the right plant in the right place. Plant selected for a specific site will require minimal amounts of water fertilizer pesticides and maintenance. It is recommended to do a site analysis, which means finding out what the light is like, what type of soil do you have, and what is drainage like. Consider biodiversity. If you have many of the same plants, you'll have more incidence of disease. Florida is the only subtropical region in the U.S., and we grow different plants than other parts of the country. If you want to grow apples, you're not going to have much success, but we can grow mangoes and other plants that can't be grown elsewhere. Our local nurseries and businesses will sell the better choice of plants for your area, therefore shop local, shop for your climate and shop for your site. Number two of the Florida principals is watering efficiently. It is key to having a healthy landscape and reducing runoff. One way to do this is to water in the mornings. If you're watering in the heat of the afternoon, you're going to lose a significant portion of your water to evaporation. The ideal time for watering is four to seven in the morning. Preserving Florida's water quality and quantity is the primary mission of the FFL program. Number three is fertilizer. It is important to fertilize appropriately and responsibly. When phosphorus and nitrogen get into our waterways, it can fuel the harmful algae blames, which can cause many issues for our aquatic life and for us. Fertilizing too much or too often can be very detrimental to our environment. Knowing the soil pH level will help you choose the correct plants. Fertilize only when the grass is actively growing and follow the University of Florida fertilizing guidelines for the different types of turf and plants. Also it is important to avoid weed and feed products. The fourth principle is mulch. Most Floridians, most of Florida was under water at one time, and much of our soil is just sand without a lot of organic content. Using mulch consistently adds organic content. It will act as a blanket, slowing of operation, and reducing water needs, and will inhibit weed growth. The fifth principle is attracting wildlife. Urban areas are rapidly increasing and at the rate these developed areas are growing, they will have a major impact on the wildlife. When a neighborhood is developed, the builders are giving all the new homes the exact same landscaping, which is not create biodiversity. By adding new and native and keystone plants, you will help to avoid disease and support wildlife. The sixth principle is managing landscape pests responsibly. Inside your home, it is realistic to expect to be bug free. But your landscape, on the other hand, is an open environment and part of nature. It is not realistic to expect it to be weed-free, insect-free, or disease-free. It is important to use integrated pest management. Catch, pest issues early and conduct targeted treatments. For example, if you see aphids on one leaf, maybe you can simply cut the leaf of wrench off, removing the problem in one simple action. Chemicals should be a last resort. Chemicals are harmful to the environment and they will kill the beneficial insects in your yard. Use chemical controls with a very targeted approach using spot treatment. Follow the pesticide label instruction very carefully. Number seven on the list of principles is reducing storm water runoff. As mentioned before, our soils are very low in nutrients. Mouaching up the leaves and grass and putting them back into your landscape will save on fertilizer and mulch calls. The eighth principle. Do this a lot twice. As we enter hurricane season, one of the most important things we can do is try to keep the water in our landscape and recharge our aquifers and Florida Springs. Some ways to do that is to use porous surfaces for walkways, patios, and drawbways, such as bricks, mulch, and porous concrete. A rain barrel is a good way to collect rain water to water your plants during droughts. Finally, the ninth principle is protecting the waterfront. Many people move to Florida because they love the beaches fishing or the natural springs. Installing a 10-foot buffer between your landscape and the water can be extremely impactful. A border of low maintenance plants will will absorb the nutrients, provide a wild-loft habitat, and prevent erosion. The photo on the left is an example of a property that has grass growing up to the water line. You can see where the land has eroded, resulting in the need for an artificial embankment called a geotube. You can see right above the geotube, the grass is mode very short. Because of this this the ground will continue to erode behind the geotube. As this happens fertilizer will run directly into the pond causing algae issues and fish kills. If you install wetland plants in these areas you will have better water quality, more fish and attract waiting birds. Doing so will help preserve old Florida and help save future Florida. There are Florida friendly landscaping resources and guides, one of which you have been given tonight, published by the University of Florida Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences and the Southwest Florida Management District. There are also training opportunities by the University of Florida Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences as its extension. And if anyone's interested, I can give you the website links to both of those from the Southwest Florida Management District or UF. Does anybody have any questions from Andy about this presentation? Fantastic. Come out. Fantastic. Comments. Thank you. Thank you, Mandy. Thank you. All right. We'll move on then. Council agenda items 5E. Vice Mayor Henske. Okay. I want to divide it and just settle, I've been carrying this note for quite a while to see what's going on. You presently, it came in as a tiered type system when we contracted with Marion County a couple of years ago for animal control. And now we're at the top tier. And bottom line is we paid $12,000 a year for animal control. And we kind of question why it's so high. We, in the reason that it's the cost that it is, is they use the same formula that they use for giving us back tax revenue. So it's not based on how much we use it, it's just based on that formula. So if there's a dinner I go in and I take a look at, okay, then it gave me the question, okay, we know how we, our tax revenue, what about unincorporated cities? So I told you look at rainbow springs, took a look at rainbow lakes, you know, the different down-acorporated areas around us. You know what I discovered is, only incorporated municipalities pay this. and I went in and did 2346, just individual properties in unincorporated areas around us just to see, do they have something in there, non-advalorium taxes? You know, what is it that they pay that we don't? The fact that a matter is they don't pay anything different. Basically we are paying twice. And so when I go and I get tax bills from all these other places, I mean I actually click on the parcel, download their tax, compare it here, compare it to your, compare it to ours. Their Marion County Millage Rate is exactly the same as ours. There is nothing added or different for any of it. And so what a boils down to is done on tax payers are paying twice. They're paying just like everybody else to us to their Marion County General Fund taxes. And because we have a contract with the county, we're paying this $12,000 also. So we've reached out a couple times and asked him, you know, how many times, you know, in the past year have you served the area? And we get back to this massive number that we would be seeing in the animal control vehicles out here, but doesn't times a day. We know that's not true. So the only thing we're thinking is, the only thing is lying to us, we're just thinking that they're grabbing the area codes, that the post office uses, they're not inside the city limits, but that's the data that they gave us. So we reach out to them and talk to them a little bit, and basically they said there there's an obstacle that if you're a city, they can't just come in and do something. I've been through the agreement. The agreement lets us get out of different stuff and all that. But kind of what I'm asking to get ready to ask is, we'd like to explore this further to see why we're paying twice. And if we live in rainbow springs, we wouldn't be paying anything other than our county taxes, like we also pay at the exact same rate. And when I do stuff like this, I just don't want to run like a loose cannon, like to inform you all that this is what I'm looking at. Anybody's got any objections? I'll stand down. It's not going to be going to be a controversial thing. You're not, you know, not going to have an A or L, I'm adding you're stealing our money. You didn't like to have just going to go fetch your data, find out what it is. I'll bring that back here. And again, the only thing that we're getting feedback on is there's some reason why they can't come into the city limits and provide animal control the same way they do with rainbow springs. But it does sound like that's an obstacle that we can't get by. I think it's just bureaucracy. So what you're saying is that they say there's an obstacle but they're not quite sure where the obstacle is. No, no, no, they're definitely leaving it up to us to figure out what's what. So they're leaving it up to us to figure out what the obstacle is. Well, they give us the obstacle, and it's very, very vague, but we got enough information that we can pull that it. You know, again, DEP got us by a surprise error over the last months. That's what we've lived deep and breathing and slept. So now this is coming back up on my list and I just want to let everybody know if anybody wants to stand down and I'll stand down and go out to that. Andrew, do you have any ideas about why they would have to charge us if we're within the city limits versus if I'm a mile outside of city limits? Well, outside of city limits, of course, is in the unincorporated county. That's where they provide services. So the city within its jurisdiction has the duty to provide essential services. fire, essentially some of the things that the city now is under, under county control or has passed on to the county. So same thing. Not quite the same thing. But you know the city pays to the Sheriff's Office, now wild general taxpayers pay into the county and money goes to law enforcement. Still, it's the cities that provide essential services. So the county is asking for those funds to be reimbursed for essentially serving a house side of your jurisdiction, even though, as a county citizen, you're still paying property taxes. It is a non-charter county, which is a little bit different. I won't get too much into that. But essentially that's why, and it's why you have municipal police, why you have municipal fire departments. Those services are handled within the municipality. Animal control would be handled by the municipality too, just like code enforcement. Code enforcement could be handled by the county, but the county would definitely ask you pay for that just as You know businesses pay for fire inspections So it's just a matter of it's within the city's jurisdiction to provide those services you can contract to have the county Perform them but generally county to be asking for reimbursement for those services. But at the end of the day, don't like the deal, it's negotiable. It's almost like a user, not the better word, user tax. Right, except. I know we're paying it, but yeah, I get it. I'm so, I'm so, I'm so, I'm so, I'm but yeah I think it's worth while for for Tim to continue with it I mean it's it sounds reasonable yeah and I can do it without using any resources exactly exactly yeah right they may not realize it we We haven't realized it, which is one of the things that you slide out. Until you ask, right. Yeah. Right. They may not realize it. We haven't realized it. Right. Which is one of those things in the slide line. Until you ask, right? Yeah. Well, there's your answer. All right. Thank you. The other thing to have an ad is just as far as the ordinances go. And how is it matter of how with the obstacles are just answering that and fully vetting that out. It's a nonchartic county. The ordinances that you have for animal control are not, again, or not. It's a non-charter county. The ordinances that you have for animal control are not, again, or not. It's not just the city has responsibility for services. The county's ordinances do not govern the city. County ordinances do not affect the city. The county passes an ordinance. It's not affected within the city. Now, the city can opt into those ordinances, and that's what the city has done by endoplaying by straight up Marion County's ordinances which then allows them per the interlible agreement. First there's that step. We've got the same rules as here. Then we have the interlible agreement which says yes you can come in and enforce it and here's what will give you in return. So ultimately at the end of the day that's why and as far as there's's a barrier that's been taken down now, but there's no barrier to negotiation. That's the only point to make that still up in the air. We agreed to whatever they wanted to. The two jurisdictions. You bet. So if we want to renegotiate now, now is the time before we all start talking about the season again. Right. Right. Coming upon us. Do we do other, do we know the status of other cities like Bellevue and that? Yes, they did the same thing. I went through those cities, okay, that are around us, you know, like that. And each one of them paid just like we pay, and it's based on the exact same. I mean, the numbers are different because their population is different, but the formula is the same. It's just the input into the form is different because of the population. But yes, they all are doing the same thing. But if we just didn't pay it. Well, we get to mention that. We'll see what the response is. I'm with you Rex. Hi. We're going to be to your rest. I think the other cities in particular, the deaf, this is research, if nothing else we'll dig into it. I'm sure Belle, you and in O'Callum, the rest is a book of this entity because it's a a great deal more money for the life. Right, right. They have more population. Anything else on that? I'd just like to say we just got a message from a viewer that they would like to ask everyone to please speak into their microphones or having a hard time hearing the live stream audio. Yes ma'am, sorry. Okay. Anything else on that? Particularly issue. We want to item number 6A resolution, RES 2025-15 Circles Vehicles. And equipment police department back up to be provided. Who is going to handle that? Welcome Captain Bray. Oh, I'm not going to be in the design of the DBS. He said, 5.50 million dollars. All right, so as we've started the transition for the police department, we have some of the surplus, some of the patrol vehicles that are going to be surplus. We do have some people that are interested in them. And right now we have two of those vehicles that are prepared because again when where we surplus these vehicles depends on what we have to do to them. If I send them to a public auction we have to take the side and out we have to take the case portion out for prisoner transport we have to take the police markings off of them. So the least amount that we would have to do is if we sold it to another city municipality for law enforcement agency. Essentially we can just take the radios out which the city of denailant homes and leave leave all the other factories in there and serve plus those. So we have had some cities that are interested and two of those vehicles that were ready to do that with they have shared some interest. So were you able? I didn't upload it no I didn't say it. I don't have anything in my back panel quickly. They're the same vehicle. Yeah, there's one thirty one thirty nine there are dodges. I Went on and just did a bloomboat value on it and I will give you a copy of this Actually I will give you a copy of this. Actually, if you can, I'll tell you. And let me see if I can see more copies. I can't see more copies. We're good. I got it wrong. How did you get it wrong, line? W-W-D-D-L? No, I just gave it. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. You've been getting educated. I'm going to have to thank you. The best weather, 21,000 each. For Blue Book. So those are the median range. You know, I am not a vehicle with a phrase or expert. So with all due fairness, when we're looking at the mileage of the vehicle, we compared that to the blue book. One thing that was not taking into consideration were idle engine hours. So obviously being patrol vehicle, they're a little bit on the higher side. So, but the two vehicles that we were looking for, for the upcoming workshop would be the Dodge number 138 and number 139, which are 2020 vehicles. And we'd like to do is be able to put that in a resolution to put that out to try and surplus those to receive bids. Any question? No, sir. I think that's fine. Now for the bids, I think the one thing we need is a minimum bid. Typically we do set a minimum bid about amount when we do the resolution. I don't suppose it's required then. So we don't have to accept this. I just think you probably should so you don't get a thousand dollar bid. Right. Yeah, 500 bids for dollars. Right. Right. 18,000. That be a minimum bid? I mean, you've done the Excel sheet. We ex-algae, actually. But so Ron was saying with the winter 21, 18,000, 8,000 at Willston is offering this on each one, which is naturally way less than half. We have to take in consideration. It's an unknown what we're going to get. If we don't get bids, that we've set them in a minimum. And we don't get any, I guess we could always read bid, resummit the bid. OK, that just dawned on me. But we never know what we're going to get from auction. We typically don't get greatest prices from auction. We would have to invest some money in man hours into getting them ready to go to auction. But the 8,000 seems pretty low to me. There's just not a market out there for used police vehicles. So that's the challenge that we have. What about some place, you know, some place like up in the panhandle that's been, you know, devastated by hurricanes and such. I mean, that is my big places that are in need of. And I mean, I could be totally or George or North Carolina. All of those types of different places. I mean, I'm just shooting out. I was with a very large cross section of police chiefs all last week. Kind of put the, you know, the surplus notice out there and shared information with them. To purchase them, there's not, again, there's not a big market for that. To donate them, there's a huge one. So that's where we're kind of at. OK. And when I was working on wrong with this, I asked him something similar rather than just willestender local, is there some kind of, you know, like we buy equipment all the time on a government contract? Piggy back, yeah. I think. Yeah, but there isn't a real format to do that, you know, throughout the state or even out of state. And then how does the bid process reach out, Andy? What does- Well, once you've served plus the equipment, we would put an ad out in the local newspaper of course and other news outlets On the city website and we also use a an online platform Called demand star which is nationwide So when it goes out on demand star it can be seen throughout the country anyone that's looking for surplus vehicles, okay, so give us what we're asking for. And I have no problems at all with putting 18, 15, whatever your number wants to put it, if it doesn't work out, we keep lowering. Now, the only issue is, the run keeps reminding me, it's right, I just keep forgetting, longer than these things set, they're gonna lose value. They're gonna turn into junk fast, especially in this environment. Yeah, so I mean, it seems like if we just at least do it for a month, to see what kind of feedback, and then if we're realizing that, I guess maybe like you said, maybe not 18,000 since now I've been told that there's not, they serve us for so maybe more that 13, 15,000 bottom. I would your pen are we obligated to accept the lowest bid once we advertise it? No. No. I mean, if somebody submits $1, we're not obligated to sell it. No. I would, my suggestion or recommendation would be, I'm don't set a minimum amount and then let's see what interest we get. Yeah because we're not locked in anyway. Correct. We think that that would give us a better feel for the market. Yes sir. You have an idea how much it would cost us to remove the equipment from each card. It's going to cost us about $500 per vehicle. Okay so it's not not substantial right? It's not Yeah, no, I know so I was thinking it was two or three thousand dollars and we can put them in a little bit A little right just remove that for a while Yeah, I know a little under that so it would be enticing sure, but it's not gonna be as That's a big question. The question that becomes is, what would it benefit as soon as I could say I could think of 21,000 and say I could put it at, say, 18, and see what we get for offers towards the high end rather than the moment. And just see, just go fishing and see maybe somebody will take it for 18. Right. I guess that's what we went back and forth with just now. So if you don't set a minimum bid and you get bids that are $1,000, $5,000, $8,000, you don't have to accept any of those bids. You can reject those bids, and you can then go out to bid if you think you want to then establish a minimum bid because you know you're not going to accept anything less than 10. If that's what you decide. But you can do it that way. And also, if they don't sell this way, they don't necessarily have to go to auction either. You can actually put them out for the public. Anyone in the public to come and make a sealed bid offer on the vehicles. So the bid we would be putting out now would not be for the public also? It could be yes. Yes. I'm saying everybody. But if we're doing this as sort of a package deal, I don't really see that. And that was my next question. Are we doing it as a package deal? Both vehicles or no vehicles? Or would you sell them individually? It would be individually. Individually. OK. We just had interest in those two vehicles. OK. So let me ask, if we do it more of a general, anybody that wants to can buy it, can we put in our bid process that if it's not for a governmental agency, if the ones you just described, that there will be a $500 or $800. Take down fee for removing the equipment. I mean, we're going to be a lot faster. I think that conglutes it a little bit. I think you just back itved that into what you're accepting is a minimum bid. Yeah. Is there a reason we don't surplus more than two? Those are just the two that were ready to go to another municipal police department. Right. Okay. If it was going to, if we were, that's why the other ones aren't up there, is because if they were to go to the public, then we would have to make arrangements to go ahead and decommission them. Okay. So, do we have, do we have, do we know which ones that we want to keep? We've got one that, the only one that we would keep, the F-150, and then possibly the 140, the 2022. So the last two. Yeah. Those are the only two that we are in an arrest of keeping. Is there a downside to doing the resolution for all of them? No, we can do them all. Yeah, do we have to, can we do a resolution for all of them? Except if they're not ready to go, we do them. I'm not saying my word, right? If we do a resolution saying 128 through 139, let's just say. Sure. But we only know that 138, 139 are ready to go today. Actually, they're not. Huh? Actually, they're not. They're all in the same status. They're all full-grown police vehicles. So if the public were to want either 138 or 139, we would have to- The same travel show. We would have to decommission. Right, we'd have to decommission. So right now we could do a resolution just doing them all for law enforcement only. Or do both, okay, just with our understanding, somebody from the public comes in, we're just going to get $500 less in their bid. We can figure that out as we look at their bids, and we're just going to get $500 less in their commission. and that they won't be able to possess them for two weeks after purchase. Yeah, I mean, they have to take in that they won't be able to possess them for two weeks after purchase. Yeah, I mean, I'm just. Right. That's fine. I'm a man. That's a good idea. I like it. We can do that. OK, so we can go ahead and surplus all the vehicles at once. Except the ones that run for us are key to win a place. And we talked about keeping one and maybe surplusing the X Sarah was that one of the ones you talked about. Yeah, that's the one 40. One 40. Talking about. Okay. Because the X Sarah is on its last leg and it's not the greatest vehicle when Walter needs to travel to Tallahassee. It's probably not the safest Right Yeah, what we're talking about was hanging onto one of these So we have a bear when we have to travel for city business. We've got a little bit better vehicle. Right. Right. Yeah, I've taken that one with a tamper for. Yeah, we can pimp that out for all for getting all Pimp ready to go. He's a good curb fueler. Please rely. He's a lazy life. Oh, I think this is a good plan to go in and make these cars available to the public. I think this is a good plan to go in and make these cars available to the public. Like you said, let's 10 to mention the longer they sit there. We're just asking for the 90 degree heat to just make it. And we don't always get in there. It starts you on wearing on and it's all that kind of stuff. That just happened to my aunt. You know, we're just going to lose more value. I think it's a wise decision to do exactly what council's work with you on. Thank you so much, Ron. Thank you. Everybody agree? Is that fine? Yes, I just fine. Thank you. All right. We'll move on in to item 7a, ordinance ORD2025, that show four variants, text amendments. Council, this was something that was brought up by our planning agency, ADA. And so they provided a staff report that speaks to this. I'll run through this really quick. The city is seeking to adopt an ordinance, amending the city's land development regulations to resolve discrepancies in the application process for variances and the board responsible for processing those applications. Currently, two different sections of the land development regulations address variances. Appendix A article 17 conditional permits and variances and sub part B land development regulations chapter 94, planning article 2 section 94 37 12 variances. Appendix A article 17 indicates that the code enforcement board acting as a board of adjustment has a power to grant variances and conditional permits. However, the City of Dinellen does not have either a code enforcement board or a board of adjustment. In fact, subpart B land development regulations chapter 94, planning article 2 section 9437.5 specifically recognizes that the board of adjustment is defiant as stated in the below reference. The City of Dinellen's Planning Commission merges the powers and duties of traditional planning boards with additional duties and responsibilities previously handled by the City's now-defunct Board of Adjustment. Within the powers and duties assigned to the Planning Commission, Subpart B Land Development Regulations Chapter 94, Section 9437-12, the code specifically states 12A, the commission may recommend to the City Council approval of a request for a variance from the terms of the relevant ordinance as will not be contrary to the public interest. The code further provides for review criteria that the planning grant grant grant grant grant final authority to grant variances to the Board of Adjustment or Code Enforcement Board acting as the Board of Adjustment. This is contrary to the current practice of the City of Denelon having the final authority to grant variances. The above mentioned discrepancies in the land development regulations create confusion and need to be resolved through amendments to the code of ordinances. Their recommendation based on the problematic discrepancies in the land development regulations and the resultant confusion this may cause, consider the revisions proposed in ordinance 205-04 that resolve the issues by deleting appendix A, Article 17, conditional permits and and further clarifying that the planning commission has a responsibility for public hearings and recommendations to the city council for variances. On this basis, the recommendation is to adopt ordinance 205-04. Any questions on this from what Mandy's presented? I never even looked at this. No, sir. No, sir. Mandy, I just read it. I just read it pretty much. So the staff's recommendation is that we approve this ordinance that's suggested. Yes, sir. And Andrew did work with EDA on this ordinance. He has approved it. He actually helped develop it So if you have any further questions, he could probably answer better than me. Happy to answer them and Council, you know, I think we've discussed it There's a number of areas within the land development code that are either conflicting or confusing I know Kelly's been keeping a running tap at them. This is one of the first ones I think come in for a cleanup. And just make sure that the various processes is working to wait for. So that's the purpose of it. Does any questions I'm happy to answer them? So your recommendation is that this would be the best interest of the city. Yes, sir. All right. Anything else in council. Anything else? Anything else? Anything else? Anything else? All right. We'll move on. And this did go before the planning commission as well. It needs to. It did already. Okay. It already went through the planning commission. Three. So can we put this on? We can do first reading on Wednesday. Okay. Okay. Okay. We'll move on to 70. ORD 2025, that shows 7 to back of free parks. And we've had our presentation earlier this evening concerning this issue. Where do we go from here, Mandy? Did we have a? There's a draft ordinance that was shared out with the agenda. There were a couple of areas that Andrew had highlighted. This area here says, whereas the City Council, the City of Denell and Fonds, that is the best interest of the city and the health safety and welfare or the public to prohibit smoking in public parks, recreational areas, and city events. And I think the question was, do you want to include city events in this whereas clause? In Mandy, sorry, I haven't had a chance to talk to you since the early draft of this ordinance on this matter. But in looking at the state's preemption, I'd recommend the city just stick to the public parks. Just a park. Because parks and and city events even though it's on city property can go beyond the preemption. The state legislature has preempted the regulation of smoking. What has allowed the city to create regulations for parks and beaches so long as they do not include prohibitions of unfiltered cigars. The city is preempted from regulating unfiltered cigars but can control vaping and cigarette smoking within city parks. Cigars are okay. Cigars are okay. Well, if we were to get into public events, we have events that take place that are private property participating with public property. So if we prohibit them of public events like the Boontown, you have events taking place on private property and public property. So you would get involved with telling a private property owner, this is a city event. There's no smoking in but yet they own the land. They would be in a situation where they'd say, well, this is a public event. You don't own our land. The city does just show them the right way. How are you going to enforce that on us when we're private property owners? So I think, sticking to the facts of actually city control properties has suggested that we eliminate the events with probably the best thing to do. just parks, I would just use the parks language. And the recreational areas is what a park is? Essentially, yes. It's a designated public park and there's a blank to list the public parks within the awareness of not yet, this is a preliminary draft. But the definition also includes places where children regularly congregate. If it's a city sponsored area. Okay, that's a bit. You can just list the parks. And then really the only question that I have is enforcement. A lot of this language was, of course, utilized from the model that was provided, which Bellevue adopted similarly, so some of the language in here is similar to Bellevue's ordinance, the enforcement section, when we scroll down to the enforcement area. This is language from the city of Northport's ordinance, which has a dollar set fund. Bellevue has language that limits any type of infraction to essentially at trespass. I can read that language. But I think a matter of question is what do you all want to do enforcement or for someone who was to be smoking what is the enforcement option? Some cities have reduced fines, like those, reduced fines, I don't know the finances are worried. Other infractions within, and I, within Blue Run Part, I think I'll run a $50 fine and that was set to run through the county enforcement option. Now that we have, city's been discussing a bit of taking a look at fines and so forth. It wasn't quite sure how you all wanted to proceed with that. And if we even want or if the city wants the blue run part, the violations to say the same. That's a separate discussion at some other point. But I can read you the value language really, you know, there's some constraints as to where you can go as far as fines and limitations, just with any code enforcement action. But don't know exactly what you want to see when it comes to the enforcement section. And no, during the presentation earlier, you heard that it typically is more of this sort of remind individuals, hey, you shouldn't be doing this, you're in violation of the city code. If you continue, there may be trespass or some other infraction as opposed to a warning type of system as opposed to a penalty-based system. Yeah, I asked. What do you think? In reality, if we're parked illegally, please come by and give you a ticket. You can take it on your windshield. So we have somebody over at City Beach smoking, it's no smoking area. How is it expected to be? What is it? How does it get in for us? Got to call the police. Yeah. I mean, if I was saying there were my kids and they kept smoking and they'd smoke and I know that there's an ordinance, I guess I would call 911 and they would have to send the sheriff's office or over. It's not going to be you and I going up there saying your violation. I mean that's, I mean that's same as a dog, not on a leash. Right, right. Kind of saying, lack of better analogy. And cigarette butts and everything along those lines are subject to litter laws, just like anything else. Okay. And the reason I ask is I'd like to say something that's real that can be enforced will be enforced I can read to you Bellevue's penalty and Certainly if you're still having if the city's having an issue Anytime down the line you always have the option Bellevue does not have a dollar fine But you can always go to one and certainly reevaluate the effectiveness of the ordinance. But what value settled on was the success of this policy depends on the consideration and cooperation of both the back of users and non-users, individuals acting in violation of this policy. We were reminded and asked to comply. Individuals who refuse to comply with request to comply may be asked to leave the park and may be subject to city littering penalties, and or maybe you should address the last warning for soon to section 810-209-2A Florida statutes. That's pretty simple. In other words, if you're smoking at city beach, for instance, you're told, you know, there is no smoking here, it's posted. Your inviolation of our ordinances, you're gonna have to leave the park. And if they don't leave the park then you get in situation where there's you have to make a move for the next step which would be your alarm course. But I would think that would that's a good approach on it. We don't want to get in a situation or be on that if we don't have to. Maybe somebody didn't see the sign. It's possible somebody didn't notice it. They're carrying a cooler, the kids are all around and they're coming in the door, maybe they didn't realize it. You see, I don't want to get in the situation where we're driving something that's possible that you just didn't notice it. And if they're worn and they continue, then that's a different issue. And then they're in defiance. I would think that would be a better good approach, rather than doing that. Don't you think so, Tim? I do. I mean, I asked the ladies if what they've seen. Is that? Gotcha. You mentioned no dogs allowed signs. This is supposed to be educational and less punitive. And so I think that the majority of the counties in the state are going toward a Please stop and if you don't stop you're gonna leave Awesome, I don't think anybody's really seeing excellent revenue and law enforcement does not like Sure, sure, and we're not we're not we want we don't want to tie them up. And we don't have to either. That's not to go. It's trying to discourage the out, the tobacco use in our public park. That's the goal. That's where we're trying to get with this. Using at least my resources. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for having us. And it's a recreational park. All our parks are recreational. So someone there to have a recreate or have their family there or something they just need to be reminded, you know, be respectful to the other people at the park. It is the city's policy that we do not have to back a usage of these parks. If you feel like you cannot enjoy the park and be part of the program here, then you need to go somewhere else. And that's just a fact. So we don't have to build a gallows in the park. Oh, no. Is everybody ready to that? That is not. Thank you. And guess we're going to have to have a postage and ordinances posted everywhere also with this. Part of the ordinance does address signage. Let's get back to it. And the way it's pretty sad. The city public works director with the designate shall post at least one clear conspicuous and unambiguous no smoking or vaping sign at each point of ingress to the area and in at least one other conspicuous location where individuals congregate in city parks. Manning could you could you see that Chad gets a copy? Yeah. What? Could you see that Chad gets a coffee of those suggestions, like this, as we move forward? He has this mystical look on his face, like, who is this person? I think it's named Chad Lord, though I think it is. We'll get him on. Thank you, Chad. All right. Anything else on that? Make sure that was it right, Andrew? Yes, ma'am. That was it. All right. We got Chad in there at the end. Yeah. It was good. All right. Here we go with agreements, A-A agreement, AGR-2505-10 Special Magistrate. Is this a mandiotum deal? This is just a renewal contract with Audrey Harris for our, to hear our, do our co-important hearings to serve as our special Magistrate. And I believe it's a two-year contract. I saw that. Four years. Four-year contract. Oh, I saw the two-year terms down there. I did see that two-year terms. So, an additional two-year term. Two additional two-year terms. Any questions for Mandy on this renewal? No. No, sir. No, sir. Thank you, Mandy. That looks clear. Can that go on, consent? Yes. Can that go on the consent agenda? Yes. Okay. We'll get one thing of a consent agenda. I'll be a huge old referee, the other, maybe also in the city. It's just totally cool. Probably to utilize the consent agenda. Yes. I'm good. We'll get one thing of a consent agenda. But are we a ULDR for any of the other Avalon also in the city? It's just totally cool. Probably the utilized Come to Chanda. But are we a U.L.D. for any of the other anything else in the city? It's just code report. Well, you're utilizing your code enforcement or pardon me, your code, your magistrate for the school program. You would have a do-bel-off-solding issue, unless there's legislation that says they can do other things, but is there anything in particular that you want to use it for? I didn't over-send anything we had to add to the contract more than we have anything different for user for a possible future key-off system or anything like that. Is that anything we'd have to add? See the way it's going. See that? It's easy to come back with a just one answer before just contract and just things like one future. I don't know. Handcuff us. It's not a handcuffing type of contract. Any can be modified at any point in time. Then when it's a four-year term, it's also terminable at will. So it's essentially an out-will contract. So... Change that. Yeah, I think very easy to adjust if needed. Anything else on that? And there is some flexibility built in here such other matters as referred to the special magistrate by the City Council of Pertune to applicable statute and or code provision. So there's a catch-all built into it. Under 3.3. That's good question. That in Andrew? Yes sir. Okay. All right. Everybody, let's move on now to item number nine. Department reports. Thank you mayor. I would like to begin department reports by introducing mr. Will Erie Who I am recommending for the Community development data position will would you like to come up to the podium and introduce yourself please? Sure my name is William Erie. I currently act as the town sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I haven't got to meet each and every one of you. So if you guys have any questions for me, by all means, I don't have the answers, but you can ask. Okay. Well, usually start out with the prettiest person on the board. Okay. So 10 seconds. So, I'm going to go over the Valerie and let her start this ball over there.. Oh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. That's not a high mark that I have to reach by the way. You were just 27, three years ago. You're good. So, I welcome and appreciate you coming here this evening. You know, I had called Mandy before before sheep met with you and gave her some insights that I was thinking about and we have a lot of things going on in the city. We have a lot of ketchup to do in our city. Can you and I've had some citizens call me and asked me to ask some questions so I think that's fair since it's's, they're back yard as well. Yes, ma'am. Comprehensive plan. I know you have been probably drilled on that one by me and the insuch. Can you kind of explain where you have touched those types of things and where you would, again, you take your direction from the city council and I understand that. But also, you go places, you see things, you've had your life experiences, and you see other things that you would like to maybe bring to us to entertain. It's not just us telling you what to do, but we need to hear feedback from all of our department heads about where they think that we might be able to enlighten the city and enhance our visitors and our citizens. So kind of explaining where you've had your comprehensive plan experience and what you might see helping us go forward. So I have not had a in-depth opportunity to be able to review denellant's comprehensive plan, but I will tell you that I work with one of the most difficult comprehensive plans in the state. Yankee Towns is extensive, and we also have the hometown rule in our charter. So we cannot make a change in our comp plan without having a referendum go to the voters. So we have had the very difficult process of creating priorities that we know that we can change, still meeting all of requirements and guidelines by the state and making those slow changes. To be honest, Yankee Town's comprehensive plan has codes in it, which should not be the case. And so to be able to change areas of our land development code, we also have to change the comp plan. And so I've been a part of that tedious process. I know from experience which you don't want to have in your comp plan and how do you want to refer to it in your land development code. And so I definitely want to bring that experience to Denelon. I know that you guys are going through a comp plan review now. And so taking those recommendations as well of what this entity brings forward on what they see errors or discrepancies in our comp plan, and being able to work from there to see what we can add to or take away that's going to be able to benefit the community. Okay. And of course we have our tip district or, yeah, tip, right? C-R-A-God, sorry guys. Yeah, it's same thing. Don't get used to me. Okay, yeah, C-R-A-Tip, are you familiar with those? I'm familiar with it Yankee townkee Town doesn't have one. We discussed about getting a CRA at one point, but I've worked with other municipalities. Willis-Mhaz-1, Cedar-Kee has one. I've worked with those municipalities that have them. I've heard of the pros. I've heard of the cons. And so I have not put my hands on them, but I am aware of them and willing to work with it and see how I can benefit it as well. Okay. Something else. Unless I think it's something after when it y'all say something out good, thank you very much Bill. Yes, ma'am. Right. Okay. The position that you're applying for is what the community development manager? Okay, and what is that in tail? That would be overseeing the entire community development departments. So our building departments, anything it has to do with development and for structures what I understand. Overseeing the things that we have in our comprehensive plan. Of course, the land development code by their areas of codes, working with the historic preservation committee along with the planning commission as well. Are you going to stay on at Yankee Town as a city manager? I will not be resigning to move to this position. Can is can I ask is it a moral accredited position here or is there or I mean I'm just interested why you're coming out or it's like everybody wants to be a city manager. Yeah it's not what is cracked up to be I'll tell you that. No you know it's it's forming this palli over there they're they're land. And so, you know, the opportunity for things are limited over there along with the, just one I live here in Dennellan. And so I want to have an impact on this community as well. We are also a small municipality, and so I wear many, many hats. And so I'd love the opportunity to be able to put one hat on and narrow down and focus on something. And so that's what I see as my opportunity here. Okay. Are you good? To you? No sir, I was a head of the opportunity. I meet with Will, a 30 afternoon after Manny Kelly interviewed him. And I guess the fact that he showed up today. I'll not going to let him know I'm interested in him but I'll be the first one to fire him if he doesn't. Perfect. Thank you. He noticed he smiling. Yeah. That could just dog smile too for the back. Here can I ask something? Just because I'm not familiar with with with. What we use specifically, I know you went through a list of stuff, but what would your day normally entail doing? Mandy shared with me the priority list. Of course, get my feet wet. I need to figure out exactly where the comp plan review is. I need to get familiar with the current comp plan. I need to see what the review is gonna entail. I also need to meet the planning commission. I need to get my hands on the land development code and be able to see what we've got there. We've also got many things that we need to change in our future land use map and so making those suggestions and everything else, there will be oftentimes I'll have to present or help with ordinances and stuff like that that would come forward to the planning commission and of course to you guys to be able to approve and so I would be facilitating and organizing all of those things. And then of course as I mentioned the Historic Preservation Board, any of those things that they have I'm sure I'd act as liaison between the community and the state's department for that. Okay, so I mean it sounds like there's a lot of planning stuff but is there a thing say like a job as code? Is there anything where like you actually go out and there's projects you do? You know, maybe I can't answer that explicitly right now. There's going to be times where I do need to go out into the field and look at things. But from the most part, I'll be reviewing plans. I'll be reviewing any issues or addressing any issues that people have with the planning departments and those kind of things. Outside of that, it's going to, to my knowledge, it's going to be a lot of book work and addressing the issues that can't be handled within some sort of meeting or with safe build or any of those entities. So I if somebody wants to build something you would be the one reviewing it to see how necessary it is for the city and things like that. Well to verify that they're not going to have any other issues with safe builds, you know, looking at setback issues or anything like that, addressing any other issues that they're coming up with their new builds, things that are going to follow within the floodplain management plan, things like that. So I would address those before you have to waste the funds with a building official. I can address those issues with the residents so that they're more prepared before they do a final submittal. Okay, I'm just trying to get an idea of what this position is. Yes sir. And what it does. Okay. And we can learn together as well. Okay. Mr. Mayor. Yes sir. I thought it too. I reread my notes. Do you mind if I answer? No, I'm not sure. How are you with grants? So I just went through the process. They just opened up the HUD grants with CBDG, so I just applied for $4,750,000 grants, which that's national. So the possibility may get them to slim, but not impossible. So I've done that. Also just applied for a $250,000 HLMP grant for infrastructure water lines, that is kind of stuff. So, I do a lot of grant requests for the tiny ink. You tell me one issue that we run into though is that a lot of grants are considered based off of population and income and we don't meet either of those criteria. So a lot of times we get these piecemeal grants that we can use to be able to obtain something, but oftentimes the larger ones, we just don't qualify for. Okay. And, but you feel like you're a good grant writer? Yes, I mean to have research for a grant. Yes, I have gone through the process of seeking out many of these grants. And most the entities that hold these grants are more than willing to help you through that process. And so I don't ever have an issue if I don't know something, I'll be the first one to tell you and say, look, let's sit down and figure this out together. And have you worked with a lot of developers or developers that come in? Because we had one just recently and they wanted to put, you know, they wanted to have us free to Arizona if that would be 0.18 of an acre type of thing. That was not what we felt was in the best interest of the city. So, but have you worked with the developer? So, no, because Yankee Town has been so anti-development, along with, you know, most of the nature coast, they developed their comp plan and their land development code in order to deter developers from the area. And so that is something I haven't had to deal with at the same time. It's a double edged sword. So that'll be something that I would be addressing with the Planning Commission and of course the council to be able to address you know what development do we want in Nellin and what do we not want. You can't stop developments but you can get ahead of it. And so being able to address your future land use map on what you want putting into your comp plan things that you want and you're zoning. So being able to get ahead of the game on those things are very vital. I mean you've dealt with all the builders over there in New York Town. I know you all have very specific requirements for building and stuff. Yes. We're in a flip lane as the entire community is so you know, you're not building anything that's not 18 foot in the air right now. Yep. It's an hour. Mm-hmm. Okay I do have another question. And try to understand what you do. I know that one of my big concerns is the overall condition of done Allen and as a couple of citizens have come in and been discussing why do you address that or in terms of code enforcement or is that your is that out of your realm? It couldn't force me it's not in my realm. There may be points in time where code enforcement came may come and ask me does this have a permit, does what they're doing exceed outside of the permit, there may be times like that Or if there's issues where there's portions of land development code that doesn't meet code enforcement's needs that we can Address those needs together, but code enforcement still in code enforcement lane. That's not my job. Okay Thank you very much. I think I've read all my notes. Okay. Thank you. No, sir. Thank you. Well, will I have enjoyed hearing you speak tonight? Oh, thank you so much. I thank you for bringing what we need to our city. We've been a long time with a consistent employee and a long time employee in this position. And it's put our city behind a ball for a while. We've all pitched in to try to do what we can to preserve our community in our future. And I think you'll be a added feature for our city. Well, thank you, Bill. I appreciate you applying for the opportunity to serve us. Yes, sir. Any other questions? It's what I asked why. Because when I came on the board, Julian, Mendez was on here and she was constantly pushing for updating the comp plan. So this gets us one step closer to getting that comp plan so we can start getting the ordinances we want and starting to have some control. This is the main vehicle, this position that does the communication, the liaison work between EDA, us, all the different entities. He's the one, this position is the one that packages all this stuff up. This position is the one that sees reviews whatever EDA sends us and again packages it up so that we can review it takes whatever. So this would be a big step to what she was always pushing for getting this step is this is paramount right now what we have we have half of it ninety seventy five percent of a late on Mandy whatever Mandy can't do goes to Michelle, whatever them two can't do, goes to Julie. I mean, it's incredible. I'm trying to get an idea of what you're doing. Absolutely right. Yeah, you're absolutely on the right. That's what I'm just trying to do. It's going on in the background because I see a difference from what. Well, I have a better perception now of what was anyway of the entire situation. That's what I'm just trying to find out. This position is paramount for the conflict. When she was constantly in the first two years, we need to do this, we need to do this. And let's take an example of he had been here during publics when they had come in he would have been their contact where they would have gone all the plans all the requirements for publics coming in here he would have been their contact person not me I think right right correct oh good okay I'm I'm just like I Yeah, absolutely. I'm learning, but I've got to ask questions because it's the only way we learn. Yeah, I know. Because, obviously, I would like to see, I know Chad does code enforcement and he's done some stuff, but I've been hearing that we need a code enforcement officer to consistently to get things done and maybe take the load off a amp. So I was just wondering what the difference between the two of them was now I have a better understanding. Yes sir. And your plan is to stay in the area for the next. Oh absolutely. So he could I'm up. Trying to be he could grow with us. And that is one of the things that we had to conversation about. That is what we like about Will. I think he can only make so much. Nobody has a crystal ball for the future. Right. But that is a conversation we had. We're looking for somebody with longevity. Not somebody to come. You know, doesn't like the job they're in now. Come here. I'll work her down now for six months until something better comes along, where I pay more of like it better, and then go off somewhere else. So that's what we think we're getting in will. And to be honest, you have a very nice presentation. Thank you. Present well when you're speaking in public. My wife dressed me. My wife dressed me. But I don't know. She dressed. She dressed me. I'm going to use the same line. We must have the same line. And I'm going to make the problem. I get help if I just more fast. Which brings that up. Because she does bring up a very good point that I've wondered about, too, is part of your job, and I would like to ask the staff, is it an example. They're doing some building over on Cedar Street. They're painting their... is it is part of your job and I would like to ask the staff is it an example they're doing some building over on Cedar Street they're paving the road and I know that they have to get permits and they're putting up those stanchions in front for something over there on Cedar Street because it turns a corner. It's there get one of my friends. What's that was your time out? No, he's talking about Kissies. Oh, you're talking about the about the big problem by the backstreet. Yeah, okay. What I would like to ask this, maybe, you can do this, is if the staff could start during a week when if businesses apply for permits or if anything like that comes in, if you could put up a weekly summary and send long time. We've been working for a long time. We've been working for a long time. We've been working for a long time. We've been working for a long time. We've been working for a long time. We've been working for a long time. We've been working for a long time. Could you put in print the same way I asked Captain Bray when they were here before is whatever they do to put it in print so we have something physical so that if we if people ask us for stuff we know. We know. We pray for everything. This is what we're doing because it's very hard to get all this information If you all could do that just once a week, a synopsis of what's going on. That would be. And since we have an extra set of hands, maybe it'll be a little easier. Thank you. More than willing to help. Okay. He's still kind of wanting that quarterly rent. So do you want to do what? Quarterly still fine or do you want more? If you're doing a report on my C of force for every meeting, if you could have, it just written down about what you've done in the status. Just for review here. Just to clarify for Chad the purposes and you know, different entities may be different frequencies. So Chad is going to report out quarterly on code enforcement. So here's what I'm hearing you ask for. That he doesn't just report it out, but we have an email with exactly what he's saying there. So we can somebody ask us, we can pass that along and do that. I just don't want to get hung up on the weekly thing. Right. So that's what I'm trying to clarify. Or once a month for the meeting. Right. Whatever, right. Whenever you do report out, so if you agree with what I'm saying. So Chad does it quarterly. That's when we will see something electronically, whatever he's reporting on quarterly. And then we can communicate and learn from. And then with the- If he gives a monthly report during the meeting of what's going on with code, if you could just print up a little something, so we have an idea. Is that right? Whatever he's reading from, give it to a sonic computer. Yeah. That's right. Hold on a month, then. Not quarterly. Quarterly. No, quarterly. Yeah, nobody's asking to change their frequency. Well, he just did. Yeah. So that's just the, just keep it quartering. OK. No, quarterly. Yeah, nobody's asking to change the frequency. Well, he just did. Yeah, yeah. So that's just the, just keep it quarterly. Okay, okay. All right. Okay. I'll work you out. But does anything else like a permitts or issued if you could put a synopsis so we can all understand what's going on? I appreciate it. Does anybody have any other questions for Will? Are we ready to let him get seated again? Get out the podium? I am. Anybody else? I look very good. Do you have any comments to make while he's there? I had a really good interview with Will last week. I was very impressed with a lot of his responses to the interview questions, and I feel like he'd be a good fit for the city. And I did read the reviews that you and Kelly put games so that was very informative and helpful. So thank you, you're welcome. Yeah, and just a comment, I'm like you, I know very little about community development, just enough to get us in trouble. And so that's where I was depending on Kelly's technical expertise. And that's what Kelly can build him on from the technical side. And so when I see Kelly's markups and input, that is what makes me comfortable anyways that, you know, and with a nice thing about Kelly is, she's fairly assertive. She's not a shy flower. You know, so she's not going to get somebody in my opinion, not going to get somebody a high markup just to be nice. She's going to be factual. Oh, sure. So, we don't need to keep you up to standing. We're going to continue, but I'm good without. I'm happy until you release me. I was I was I was a soldier. I just I know what I told. Army Army. Maybe your fourth Marine Army. Army can thank which which, uh, like, for 71st was my husband's transportation. I was 82nd. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Yep, 82nd Airborne. Yeah. Yep. So congratulations to you for your military commitment. My knees and ankles are not existing. Don't make me run after anything. Well, you're not going to have to run, but you're going to be doing a lot here in town. It sounds good. That was good. Well, thank you so much for being here tonight. I think you've got a good feel for our council. Thank you, council. Thank you. All right. You're welcome. If I could, Mr. Mayor, if we move on. Just like to lay out the, I'm not sure how to move forward. But here's the, the timeline. Will wants to do the right thing by his company and give them two weeks notice. Okay, so we're already in the May. Megan has gone in roughly another week, the week after this. Kelly has gone at the end of May. way our process would be is if we vote on Will next Wednesday that puts us in the middle of May, gives us two weeks notice that puts us at the end or after May, there's no turnover with Kelly. And I think it's paramount that he has some type of, even if it's only a couple weeks, if he has a turnover with Kelly. Now what I see is he's got the expertise in the background to have the knowledge to do things, but we have specific things in the middle right now. And so as he goes through specific things, you know, I can only remember to me taking a project over from somebody. Yeah, I know projects and all that, and I've been reading this. It's like, wow, what's this, you know. Well, what was the thought process? Right, what was the thought process, you know, so instead of going down the wrong path or taking hours to figure out the right path, We got Kelly still on the payroll, and she could make that happen right away to lose that turnover. I think we're doing the city a huge disservice, putting will kind of a tough spot. And I didn't know if it's something where we can come to some kind of a consensus tonight that we're all good with will. Okay, that would make, and the risk would be totally his. Okay, and that's what I don't want to do to him is naturally has heard him. That if we think we're strong enough, committed enough that we believe we're going to go with will next Wednesday. If we can't, we can't come to an end-cane tonight, okay? But then we can give them some kind of indication that, hey, we're for real with you, we think you're the best candidate that we have right now. And if that makes him comfortable enough to take the rest, give his two weeks notice tomorrow, okay, that's still only going to give us two weeks with Kelly. Is there a, that would be, I mean, I'm talking with Victor Sain, is there an issue with doing a consensus with that, Sir Andrew? I don't want to overstep us with anything. That's a good point, thanks. Sometimes. Just taking a look at the code and the city clerk responsibilities and. Are you going to hire me on the 90 day process? I see a crucial. Can we do the 90 day call for another seat 90 days? That would be fine. To go with that route. And then Mandy you're more familiar with the as far as the personnel manual and so forth. But by ordinance that is absolutely fine. Okay. Mandy I think what Tim's brought up is exactly what we should do. We need an overlap. And this has been a fit the city as we move forward. We don't need to, you know, the slice this issue, we need to fold it in. Not slice it off, we need to fold it in together. Well, if I'm not mistaken, in the code, it allows me to hire on a 90 day temporary basis without council's authorization, but then to hire on a permanent basis, it requires a three fifth vote. I couldn't move forward with a conditional offer under the 90-day emergency hire provision and the code in the personnel manual and then on Wednesday you would take a vote and then we would transition that position into the permanent full composition. Okay. Even if we don't, I believe I can count the votes, but I'm not sure. Okay. And it's not my career, my paycheck, that's at risk. That's right. That's right. So I'm all good with everything, and he just said, I would just like to give Will some kind of an indicator if possible, okay. That where we sit, so he's comfortable on his next move with his employer. Absolutely. Personally for me, and I told him this as well, I did do my own little background, you know, so he's the Facebook now and Google and those types of things. And I have a friend that lives at Rinyaki Town, so yes yes I've required and for him to see evening and from all the information that city staff has given us Kelly and such I feel comfortable in letting me and he do the 90 day with us 30 on him Monday. I still go back to my I'm a day's cheer. I mean, cool. It's a great day. And I'll also be a yes vote for Will. I have... I'm sorry I still go back to my Monday. I'm sorry. I mean, cool. And I'll also be a yes vote for Will. I see no reason whatsoever that I would be able to support his disposition. Hear me in the position. I have no problem with it. Does that make Will? I'm happy. Okay. Okay, so I'll move forward with that and on Wednesday for the regular council meeting agenda. Do you want this on consent or do you want to be a regular agenda item? I'm personally fine with consent. I'm fine with consent too. I think so. I think we've aired our concerns tonight and again there's something that's We're Thank you very much. Thank you. What else have we got? Our condolences sir. Department reports. Iran do you have anything you want to do over? Just to let you know. I mean, we're moving forward with the transition. You know, we've got, they're still working with the reporting system. And tomorrow we'll be moving some of the evidence. If not, all of the evidence over to the sheriff's apartment. So that'll be one big huge step. And if you look at the process chart, those are the two big steps we had to take care of before we could do the other steps. And then we can move closer to getting everything out of the building. Other than that, I attended the Florida police chiefs that supported by the state training program. I got to meet with a significant number of police chiefs around the state and was able to get a wealth and plethora of information. It was very enjoyable as well as this week I continued with that additional training to end it up by and be ended by Friday. And we're still going for not certification with accreditation of our department, correct? Obviously, we're still working through the policies to complete the total rewrite of all the policies But then as we continue with this new hybrid model that we have we'll work with the strategic plan and then see where that takes us Do we have any issues in the city that you need to keep us informed? I know the burger reads are down but is there homeless in campments or anything else that's coming on that you all are working on? There's nothing. They're doing a fantastic job with patrolling and with security checks as well as traffic enforcement. Obviously, they've made a significant number of arrests and doing a very good job. One of my name is Nothing that we have. Nothing just they reported to me. Okay, I just wanted to find out. No, no, no, no, no. I've got a couple of my neighbors came up and said, if you've seen the police out, they've been writing a lot of tickets. In the second writing group of Oxbranks, they're going to catch me. You've been warned. You've been warned. You've been educated. Yes, sir. I had mentioned to you earlier about next Thursday attending that Memorial Service for first responders and the police officers in O'Call, and we still long for that. So next Thursday, Ron and I will be going to that recognition service. It's hailed at the County Commission to say government complex. and it's 9 a.m. event. It'll be next Thursday on my off from school day. Oh, so Ron and I are going to go over and represent our city at that event. Thank you both. Yeah. I'm forward to that, Ron. That's that's that's that's I've been to that several times. It's very moving. Yes, it is. It's a good opportunity for everyone to meet you and enjoy having you in our city. Enjoy being there. Any other questions? All right. Good to know. Can you give us a list or at least a list of contacts or's. Just a way of issues and stuff like that. I think I'm especially give us that. I don't know, I can't get you out of town. I was trying to help from this week. I just didn't have a way to go through to get them. Yeah, that's no problem. I know there's a quicker way to get this call in Marion County or we have. You can always, in any circumstances, always call you can always call the non emergency one. That would be the same as if you were picking up the phone and calling our office. Okay. Okay. If you do not feel that it rises to a level of what you would call 911 the thoughts on like to close early mills restaurants Keep them close unless we have special events Right now they're open all the time get destroyed two toilets or broke we have You know The parks just getting there the homeless people on set there there stay around there on the bird boxes of all in bro the two toilets we have their damage now in the bro the men's vacuum the spikets broke defecating all the restaurant we had all the restaurant best room the floors and we had a we had somebody't know, the overdose on drugs or whatever. Okay, there's just a couple weeks ago. So they're passed out in the men's restroom with syringe and everything right next to them. So just what we need is some little kid going in there, you know. So what time signs to, they pulled up our Florida friendly plant signs. What was going on is, it's almost like we put a sign out there. So any vagrant that wants to come charge your phone, clean up in our rest rooms, do all this because there's electricity that was on the outside of the building. And they're all going over there to charge up their phones and stuff like that. So we turned off the breaker because we don't want them to sit, you know, one is tax payer and electricity, not much, but it's a magnet for them. Okay, so we turned it off and the next thing you know they're going in there leaving signs in there to turn electricity back on and they're destroying the place. So they're not only, you know, they're busted up to toilets. And it's just all times a day, and it's not just like you. And we actually changed the hours, OK, about a year or so ago, because most of that was happening between the new the restrooms closed at six. So four o'clock was like the magic hour. They were coming over there at four o'clock, doing all this stupid stuff. So we changed the time to close them to 4 o'clock. Well now they've adjusted their hours. All right, and There's just no keeping up with it. They were just get up to my first thing in the morning We had the Z-bowl bowl shelter house back there, which is four outlets cost them their all live So first thing in the morning, I mean you see the bicycles are pulling and stuff. Maybe going there and have all the phones charge in and everything else they go in bathrooms and you know, wash your clothes or drive their clothes and using the air drivers and stuff to drive their clothes, stealing the rolls, the whole roll the toilet paper and stuff that we have in there. So they're just damaging everything and creating an unsafe environment for the citizens to cost those. The kids part of the fair the kids playgrounds and the sand everything, we're just inviting them all to hang out there and what they lead behind. So our thought was lock them down except when we have events. When we have events over there and the reason we want to break this up mostly is instead of just doing it because Mr. Mayor, we know who gets all the complaints I can't be killed the power to the shelter house from the charge They've even so far come to public works and not gonna go on come in and want to turn the power back on Turn it on Except it was a evangelizer stuff My fault right fact, but It in the way you were or something. Oh. Maybe we should just at least keep the electric going on the outside and close the bathrooms. I mean, I'm just, you know. Except we don't want a bunch of vagrants and all that for the kids that are running around the park. What happens when we get one that's a pedophile or something right now? OK. You know, we want to create a good environment for our citizens. Yeah, that's sad. It is sad, but unfortunately, that is the error that we live in. Over at this one here last week, the somebody went in there ripped up the stalker doors, right off the women's stalls. Right, so you're trying to figure out what we can, you know, we know we don't want to shut that down, but we're trying to figure something out. The cost and over time, and just repairs, or it trades, I mean, you see, the ladies picked up just a cigarette butt set over there, just at this, and we usually try to take pretty good care of all that. But they just don't care and the worst part is, like even the study showed, when I did it, most of it didn't have any residence. They come here and they just don't care. And the worst part is, like even the study showed, and I did it, most of them made the amount of residents. They come here and they're not losing. They use their facilities, bus stuff, leave, trash stuff, and go back where they're from. I'm just going to find a happy medium that not going to run us broke or out of equipment. I mean, here the other side. I had to replace two stop signs one Thursday, one bus to and put back up that they run over to trailers and then down here right by the ramp or the local rain is it is lower. He got parking grass on. They didn't like run over. They took my around and they're going. They're going. Then they parked their trucks there and load their tires and stuff. So the sign's not there that they're not breaking the hull. That's their fault process. It really is. It's a really good sign. So make the good old fashioned cameras, you know, the hunting cameras you might have in for you that you put up for. Yes, and the SO met down there with us and they're trying to do everything they can. They had two officers up and top and down and everyone noticed that I had me by the first hit will replace it and then it run over again. Just constant, so we would replace it and then it would run over again. So, this cost is more looking at $200 and signs plus and times and posts. Right, it would cost. We're doing it, redoing it, redoing it, redoing it. So, I would have kind of done with the DEP thing and all that stuff, really like to get back looking to key our system and stuff to find out how we can just stop spending. Right. So bring it up, Council Commons, but two things, you know, leading chairs. The other thing we're hoping we're shutting down the rescue for a little bit is they may move on to the next place. And if we see that happening, we can reopen them okay. And then, but we'd like to move them down the road somewhere when they don't have the facilities out here to use. And then based on everything, we're seeing with the bathrooms, signs getting busted up and all that. Like you said, we're mostly out of the DUP thing. So we'd like to get moving on a paid parking out here with the key off-stake. And just get that on the move so that it'll help start paying for everything that is going on. I think your recommendation is in line, Chad. It's the only solution that it makes sense. We do what we can to discourage this from happening. And the number one thing that Tim brought up that was effective with my thought was the fact that the kids go there and we don't need to establish that this is a safe haven for people who wish to conduct themselves in that manner. the product of the of the drug and just disrupting our city property, we don't want that. And if you think this is the proper action to take, I don't have a problem with that. It's the only solution that I could think of and I think it makes sense. My tips I think we just have to detour them. Take away the resources and hopefully they move on. Well, we're not going to provide a location for this kind of behavior to take place in the city. You know, and I hear this is so sad because when I grew up here, and I know this is reflecting back in the past, and I do that a lot, and I don't, I can't help it. But when I was a kid, even our churches were not locked. I never knew where my house key was. When I grew up in this town, I never had a house key. I went home for lunch every day for school. I mean, I know that's a long time ago, but we have to look at where we are now and where we're going to be in the future. We can't live in the past. So we are in a situation where we have to take action to protect property and protect the citizens that live here and that's our obligation. And this is one of those obligations. It'd be a safe place for kids to go and enjoy that part. And adults, we don't have any adults that live in this town that you want to be confronted that by that kind of behavior even. So I think your recommendation is in line. And it's going to rough a few feathers, you know, people from the pickleball court that want to go use the bathroom and stuff, but you know, they just thought we were bringing it up, so anybody gets the complaints we'd explain what's going on. Hopefully it's temporary if we can get folks to move down the line. Well, I will certainly stress that and I'll stress what's been pointed out to me in this meeting tonight. And I know that I'll hear from it and that's fine. That's what my job is. I don't mind explaining the situation. And that's... But I'm looking... I want to look out for the well-being of the citizens that live here in the citizens. Responsibility to be able to enjoy a park and not have this kind of behavior going on and I think it's the only solution I know of. So I know it's a lot of council having a projection. No sir. I can't think of anything. I have the only I have to answer with the if the people all people register I know this is we're registered with us and that we can give them a code to get into. You know what? Actually, it's probably even easier than that. If I pick somebody from the pickleball court and he's to use the restroom, once we get him repaired again, maybe Chad would be a big deal if somebody came from the pickleball court asked for the key of the restroom. Could be a paint that you the weekends, and they put over there a lot. Then we know what we do. Okay, never thought about weekends. Gotcha. Yeah, that's right. There'll be three days of that one. They could call and say, ask for a coat. We, it's catch 22, because the call comes from the lock or the concrete. Yeah, and get my shoes and pretty good together. Never mind. It's only good. because the whole right is locked or the whole thing. Good machine. Good. Yeah, never mind. It's only good. It did. It's all about a quarter of a time. If we stuck it over there and just... Yeah, but the name jumped it and blew up. Do you have anything else, Chad? No, sir. I won't ask a question, Council. You know, we're going into the season now. It's summer and the days are longer. And I have had several people ask me, you know, we don't want people swimming at the tour exit. And a lot of people get off from work and we're not getting dark day 30 or later. City beach closes at a certain time. I think it's six o'clock, so we're like that. I would like to counsel to consider that and the, as we approach it, we get into these longer days that we extend that period of time that the city beach is available. I'll tell you what's happening. Well, it will happen because I live right next to it. Okay, before we had gates and all that and before we locked them down at six o'clock. After that time period, It's not all the families that you think the people go there, okay? What happens during those hours is that's when the kids come in and that's when the rip raft comes in and and again I just live there and see it. They don't come in and bother us at all. So I'm not saying this because I live there and don't want it there. What I'm telling you is is what we see and it is not the good families that come in there at that time. It's the kids that come in there, and that's when we used to have our most vandalism over there. And the other thing that people have to remember is that is not Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas. Those gators are very, start getting very active about that time. And there are, you know, because we're in the width, it's even though the park is the rainbow river. Right outside the blue is there in the width of the Fuji River. It's a whole different game. And I fished that all the time because it's probably some of the best fishing with the two rivers meet in the entire waterway. And when you get into the evening time and you've got a fish and the fish is bouncing up and down man I mean that gator is a couple days of what you're fishing they're going after it. We're starting to get in there right now we're just starting to get in the breeding season so we're going to have to start breeding season now. That's a whole different game. You started to move them about this time because they really started coming from them. Well yeah, with the coaches, is it a breeding ground for all of you? Yeah, sure you got a whole lot of that right now. But they're more aggressive in the rain, but now they are. We really, and I understand it, I understand your point Tim, and I know everybody has an opinion on this. But, you know, people that get off of work and they live here and they don't have property on the river, they don't have access to the river, and they live here, and we have a city beach, and it's closed at six o'clock, that doesn't give them much opportunity if they wanted to come by and go to the land. Those are not the people that go there. That's what I'm telling you. I have heard from the same people that come out. They think it's a great idea. And on the surface, it's a fine idea. Well, that's where I'm coming from. Right. But that is, you know, so that is not what takes place. It is the kids that arrive at, OK, most people that work get off work or just like all of us. They're getting ready for their next day. They're not going out for a swim and And that's when the bandalism happens. And anybody that takes this gator thing lightly is a fool. What anybody that takes that lightly, I would like to take him out of my boat, add dust, put a headlight on him, okay. And they are going to be blown away by the amount of alligators that are out there. They will see many red lights. You bugger believe it. I know that. But I just said this was brought up to me and it was asked and so I just want to be sure that they can't be understood. You know, I want us to provide as much access as we can at a public park for people to be able to enjoy the river. There are many people that do not own property on the river have no access to it and the city does own access to it. And so I take what you say to him well, I understand what you're saying, it's it from a past experience and I understand that. I've not had that past experience, I very seldom go to city beach. So it's not something and I don't live in that neighborhood. So I want to be respectful for the people that live in that neighborhood and the reaction it could take place by changing it. But I also want to bring up the fact that it's nice for Park. It's owned by the citizens of Dunnell and to allow them additional access to it. That's all I see. and I'm right with you. And as you can tell, I mean, some of me think that I'm animated about everything. But as you can see with this one here, you know, it's like... You're for the safety. I'm for the safety, and I am for not letting that park get tore up. Those are the two major things. And we've already experienced the park getting tore up. Again, I see food shows up. They hopped the fence when they want in there, the kids doing stuff like that. Now most of them just got to tell them, hey, you know, now I'm telling you what, if they hopped the fence in the order of his fish, I don't say it word to them. But if they're out there and they're busting up the thing, said hey the parts closed you all know it and you know and they'll leave. Well I don't think it's anything it's I don't think there's a consensus on the council to change it anyway but it is a concern to me that we need to allow as much public access as we can to city own property on the river because if you look at the overall background, the people that live in Rainbow Springs subdivision have an access property. The KP hole is a business venture. It's not the place it was when I grew up. When all our families went up there and had our picnics and birthday parties and went swimming with our families and our friends, that's not there anymore. That's been going a long time. So there is no access to the public at a certain point in time and we do have the facility to provide it and that's all I'm saying. It is the only, it is the last place that's available. So a lot of people to be able to enjoy that river. Yes, that's a staff time and all have to change on when they come in and when they leave for us. But they do now. Okay. Well, I just think about all the ways that package. Yeah, well you see where I'm coming from. I think the council understands where I'm coming from. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Good intention Because I, it's not going back where I came from, but I just deplore the fact that unless you own property on that river or you have an access lot in your subdivision, you're excluded. You can live here your whole life and yet you can't get to that river and you can't swim in that river after certain time and it doesn't get dark to late 30 and that's the point I was trying to stress it's a restriction and maybe it'd be something we could do something about but it doesn't sound like it's called work but anyway I just want to bring it up. Anything else Chad? Thank you. Thank you. Questions for Chad? Yes, sir. Thank you. Chad took a half hour. Well, that's all right. It's all for him. He's usually trying to get out the door. The Madeline's not here tonight. Oh, there's a lot of people going on now. I don't have to hear the boss in here. Yeah, she's not here. Oh, Sean, did you have anything you'd like to present? I just want to let you know I got an update today from the auditors. They're anticipating getting the preliminary to, to me, for review. FEMA, we're, we're still working on it. I've approved everything that needs to be approved at this point. So we're just waiting for Department of Emergency Management and the Federal FEMA. The SNA, I've been working real hard trying to get the cleanup done which I've gone through mislead this revenue like I needed to. There's quite a bit that's posted to it. Which one is that? 36,000. That's the latest revenue. It's about $46, dollars that posted that needs to come out of there. Okay. Was that just from the crosshover? Some of it, some of the revenues that we receive and we turn around and write a checkout. don't come in there and then they'll get paid out of there. Right. So it just washes out. Some of them, we have some cash receipt codes that are going to the wrong revenue line. So I already have directions on how to correct that. That was my suspicion all along. Right. Anyway. Just to piggyback off Sean, another item she's working on. We discovered looking through the second quarter in the second quarter results. Over a five year period it's showing that tax payers have paid a little over $10,000 for bad debt. Basically that's for people not paying their garbage bill. So it's kind of a cumulative thing the way it works, but then it turns out that it really looks like it may only be $7,000, but a lot more information to come. So we're trying to figure out how the tax payers are getting. If it's an erroneous number or if the tax payers were actually getting hit up for a substantial amount of people not paying their garbage bill. And- It's trash. Can get right and she's working on that. And if it ends up being a substantial amount and we'll figure out what we got to do to stop that from happening. I're going to have to do something. We're going to have to do something. We're going to have to do something. We're going to have to do something. We're going to have to do something. We're going to have to do something. We're going to have to do something. We're going to have to do something. We're going to have to do something. We're going to have to do something. management contact or a courier. And change the area of stuff. Right, no, it's wrong. On that note, Chad, do you have any equipment that you need us to look into getting now for hurricane season city doesn't have so that I mean for removing waste or anything? We just did the contract. You just did the contract to suffer the removal company companies, but it's not the wrong line. No, we have bid specs prepared that I've sent to Andrew and Patrick to review the bid specs before we put those out. Because we cannot renew those contracts for another year. We have to go to bid this year and those expire in office. Was that the one with wage management? No, that's the one with wood resource recovery and grubs emergency services. For disaster recovery. Which are the ones that will never come out because we're not big enough. Yeah, but that's what I was asking is that if you knew of any equipment for the few days after Hurricane Winett's stuff is it there there any equipment that you need so we can get you better prepared? I think Shipper Tim's an undeliverer. Right up for photo. You done? I have to go to bed. Yeah. Would be good not, right? I don't think I heard nothing on the other side. How about any other... department reports, anything else, department reports? Oh, Council comments? Do you want to go ahead? No, Bailey, you want to speak about, I just thought you don't start about the FD. Well, you go ahead, because you've brought your folder and I didn't. All right. But it was a, it was a, even though it was an art district, I wish we were in district two because they, they, and this was five, it's not, it's not put on a scenario of class, whatever we want to call a seminar like district two. And it was, it was so well worth driving two hours and going up to why that so we met really great people Well Valerie did attend it. I did also we took separate cars of course We don't communicate other Lunch together. Yeah, didn't even eat lunch together But we did sit at the same, so that's that's nice. They always enjoyed Valerie's company even though we're not discussing city business. It was very, very informative. In fact, the afternoon session was even more important to me than the morning session, because the afternoon session was the nuts and bolts of who actually put together the recovery efforts for the Department of Transportation. And they had the people there that were answering the phone, answering the concerns for their whole district. Their district extends from Indoor Taylor County all the way across Indooration Bill. So you've got this district that got swacked, one right after the other with the storms, sweeping through there. All of the actions from the Department of Transportation were directed through this department for those storms. So we heard exactly what they faced and how they maneuvered through it. Not only how they got through it, but how they reacted over a long period of time to help those counties and cities recover from those storms. So we actually had to hear the real presentation of what was really going on. And that didn't take place after lunch. The morning was a good session. That's fine. It was a lot of background information about other issues but to listen to what they talked about, about how they managed it and what they're predicting for this coming season. We had been so fortunate if we just look around a little ways, look to the Gulf, look all the way down the go, all the way around the bend to Tallahassee. And you look at the devastation that has taken place, and yet here sits Dunnellan, lost power of a few hours, a few thousand dollars in damage. Our citizens were safe. We had, of course, we had reaction from the Green Swamp in the Wittlacuchi, first time since 1960, that we had that reaction with that heavy rain down there that caused the Wittlacuchi flood. But we had the barge canal to relieve that. So we came through so well, but when you sit there and you listen to what took place around us and realize how fortunate we were And we may we may be the blunt of it next time So to hear them and understand what they did and what they're prepared for help me and I'm not sure I'm not sure you Valerie also understand what we're going to be facing if we're in the eye of this. So even though this district stops at our county line with Libby County, it's still our area. And I have much more in common with that portion of the state than I do Jacksonville and O'Callon and the Villages in that area over there. I'm much more involved over here because we're closer to the coast. We're in the Western and American County. We're almost like Libyan citrus Citrus County combo. They're Citrus County. So we have a whole lot more common with that coastal communities, even though we're elevated and we didn't have the flood. So in other words, it was very worthwhile. I learned a lot. A lot of grand opportunities, but I was at that chat I have a picture of some equipment, some playground equipment, and that there was a grant by DDP. Who would have thought? Well, you never know where they're going to come from. They get that money for fines. But now I'm going to do a lot of green. How can we send this? Cool. So whoever's in district two, there's got to be a counterpark for district five, but we can call about all these. And I'm sorry. I've been a little busy. So I've got that packet that I want to give to you that we can look at it all. I mean, the greenways and trails. There's just a slew of, and the thing that I thought it was the afternoon one, it was one of the ladies, I can't remember her name, but how they look at the, they think these drones and they go and they determine how bad the erosion is from the bridges and those types of things. And then there's even something for the parking out here. And what they predict and they can actually send out notices that say, hey, there is no well parking in the Den Island parking spot for fisher people. I mean, it's just the technology guy. That he was really cool. And it was like send people here to test their equipment. And you get this, you would oh my god you had a built-up that guy and there's just there was just a plethora of information. Plethora I tell you. And just some asked me this about plethora. It was cool. I did think of you a lot of time when they were doing all that erosion stuff and it was really very interesting. It was a draw. Oh, on these drawings, but oh, thanks. Anyway, it was very successful trip for both of us really. I speak for Valerie on this. I think we really enjoyed it and we learned a lot. And they helped us be prepared. And Ron's going to be our emergency management director for our city. When we face it this summer, and I look forward to working with Ron and our sheriff and everybody involved. Maybe not have to go there. That's all right. Anybody else? Everything? Just, we have got a good start on creating the Vizpect for the CRA Roads park a lot next to the firehouse. Chad and I are going to go through that. Either tomorrow or the next day, we've got a couple things we have to work out in. And so, hopefully we are in a position within a week or so of actually getting a bid spec out and start getting the roads, that road project moving. Do we, and I've mentioned this to Ted Chan, do we have a rough time frame, a timetable on these, like, like some of these streets that we need to be resurfacing? We have a rough time frame. That, there's what, we're kind of up against the time, my opinion is kind of up against the time crunch crunch now. And we'll probably get into bid spec. This one thing we'll talk through because we know, okay, once we get our act together, have a bid spec that we can put out, it seems like Mandy is usually a couple months later before we actually have a contract and go. Okay, so here we are in the road projects. Some of the major roads are over at the school. So last thing we want to be doing is is doing roads when the school back up and again. That didn't work. Right, so that's why we're, you know, we're kind of out of all the emergency stuff right now, and that's why we're getting moving on this bid spec to get that out there. And the part of what we're thinking about doing is, of the bid spec will be, we have these roads done by this date. We'll work backwards from when the school's open up. Middle of all. Okay. But you see how close we're getting when it takes us a couple of months to even get a contract. How long do you think fixing one of those roads would take? You know what, it's not the project that we just did with the stormwater projects. We're not doing swales and all this other fancy stuff. It's a reclamation. And oh my gosh, I just used a granada. They reclaimed that whole road. I mean, basically they ran their machine down. Grounded everything, had to base down in a day. And then they put the oil stuff down. They like that to sit for a while. So everybody can drive it, pack down the base and all that. And then they repave. So I think to do an entire, they won't do one at a time. But I think within a week they can have a- So I was, and because I know we're getting short of not being able to maybe get it done before all the school starts or maybe Go out go ahead and do it but then they could maybe do it during their Christmas break Yeah, but you ask lay an asphalt in the winners Sometimes for him You have to lay it when you have to lay the asphalt when you have a woman up Right, right. That's what held us up on the granite a little bit. We got into winter. I mean, though, you know, there's only a couple of weeks that we were held up. So, I mean, it's not totally out of line to do that. But I guess if there's a two-week break, it would have to be. We're dependent on Mother Nature Cooperate for that two weeks. Yeah, but I mean, if you're so much of a hurricane season, winter storm, the ranger, And if you're not a tall one, the weather, the rain, the rain.