I call to order. I call to order. This is September 9, 2024 City Council meeting. Roll call. Mayor Dupu. Present. Councilwoman Gillis. Here. Councilwoman Bennington. Here. Councilwoman Dalbo. Here. Councilman Powers. Here. City Attorney Wolf. Here. City Manager Irby. Here. City Clerk's Latinac President. Please stand for the pleasantly. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. I'm the duty of the public for which it stands. More nation under God. Indivisible. The liberty and justice of the world. Please remain standing for a moment of silence. Item two approval or changes or modifications to the agenda. We had item should be on your worksheet. Item eight F is before item 8B. Yes, just move that. I'd be able to do that. Item 3, approval of the minutes. None at this time. Item 4, presentation, proclamation, plaque, certificates, donations. None at this time. Item 4, presentation, proclamation, plaque, certificates, donations. Item 5, citizens comments. This is the time for the public to come forward with any comments they may have. This is comments relating to agenda matter may be made at the time the matter is before the council. Please state your name, address, and please limit your comments to three minutes or less. Good evening I'm Mark Bellings executive director for Habitat for Humanity at 240 North Ridgewood Avenue joining me is Bob Perry had a construction at Habitat and six away midfield low bed. I'm here tonight to thank the elected officials the appointed officials in the city of Edgewater for the great relationship and leadership that I feel that we have with city manager and each of the elected officials. I have with your permission just a few slides that I'd like to hand you to look at your leisure being mindful of everyone's time. And what this will show you you if you'll excuse me. A year or so ago I stood in front of you and talked about our commitment to affordable housing and you answered that in addition to the year's prior when we built on New Hampshire, you'll see before and after photos of 1859 pine tree street, which has been completed. Many of you that are in front of me serving this community, you'll see in the photos have volunteered and actually worked on this site and other sites. I want to say thank you for that. You also see photos in there of two homes that we have currently under construction and edgewater. One on unity tree and one on mango tree. Many of you were there when we did the groundbreaking and you're often there when we do our dedications. As we sit here today there are 1200 people in Southeast Felicia County waiting for a section eight voucher. There are 11,000 people, many are veterans in Felicia County that can't afford affordable housing. We've set a goal to build nine homes this year. We'll be breaking ground on seven, eight, nine within the next month and a goal of 12 for next year. I want to say thank you. We serve our community. Many of you come out 85% of our workforce is volunteer labor. You'll see photos of the elected officials running stalls and I've got pictures of running a paintbrush laying sod. We couldn't do it without your help. I know that you have a lot of work to do and a lot of important work to do and we'll be back at a future date but would love for you to consider a few items that I noted on the last bullet point. And that is that helping us expedite permits, looking at potential fee waivers for permitting. And also we need more land. There's a lot of people that are attracted to our area, many of them service workers, first responders that will qualify for a habitat home. I know I'm close to my three minutes, so I wanna say thank you, I think each of you are doing a great job and I'm proud to work in the community you all serve and ask Mr. Perry if you'd like to make a comment. Yeah, as Mark said, we were currently building two houses in Edgewater, we just built a couple of houses in Edgewater. It's a very popular location for people to live, cost of living and things like that. So if you have any more land force, we'd love to take it and we'll build a house on it. This house that we're building right now on mango, it's only been four weeks and it's, we already have drywall and it'll probably be another few weeks and they'll be moving in. So we'll get it done. Thank you guys so very much for your time and all you do. We appreciate you more than you know. Hello Anthony Keonvar 2606. Umbrook. Mr. Pugh, Mr. Pugh, I heard that your last month has been quite eventful. Since the last stood up in address, your unfettered corruption people I care for as well as myself have been faced with threats. Threats that have caused those close to me to worry about my person and property as well as theirs. I've been informed by multiple sources that these threats were fueled by rumors that you have spread without any evidence. That stands in stark contrast to the statements that I have made before this council, because you see last month I released the receipts to the public. Showing anyone curious enough the evidence of backing my accusations. And earlier today, I released further photos and video of you dreaming underage, screaming that you need alcohol, using a racial slurge, slur, and making lube gestures. I also have sent this material to local news outlets. Like I've told you before, if you believe that I'm going to allow you to remain unaccountable, you are gravely mistaken. So let's keep going. Even though you were given preferential treatment during the stop for your criminal citation in October, it appears that you held a grudge against Edgewater PD. After all, how could they have the audacity to charge you with a crime that you had certainly committed? Fast forward to February 26th during a workshop reviewing an Edgewater PD staffing study, you insisted on expedited presentations that you could go to New Sumerna State of the city, but not before you expressed on a hot mic that you were displeased that you could go to New Sumerna's state of the city, but not before you expressed on a hot mic that you were displeased that you would have to push discussion of a potential salary increase for yourself. What valid excuse could you possibly have replacing a networking event and potential photo op over your actual job as mayor of this city? Or did you become the mayor of New Sumerna when I wasn't looking? As a growing population, you must know that the law enforcement has become increasingly necessary in edgewater for reasons of potential liability, police morale and community trust. Is one thing when you only show up for photo ops at events that your community expects you to actually participate in? Is another entirely when you pretend to care about your community while actively ignoring their needs and seeking to increase your political clout. Is it any wonder that your deeply unseerious stance towards the needs of your community is concerning for we, the people? Mr. DePue, last week newly elected councilman Green and Port Orange was charged with DUI after he ran into the back of a pickup and switched seats with his wife just before police arrived. Luckily they caught him. This activity is so you should serve as a cautionary tale for you. One day I hope that you realize that continuing down this path of substance abuse will mean that your quality of life will be severely diminished. Even worse, you could possibly wrap yourself around a tree or collide with a vehicle and kill another motorist. Now that your life and public service is falling down around you, you'll have an opportunity to get help. Go to rehab, stop drinking. Start taking care of yourself. And one day, you will hopefully have what it takes to be a contributing member of society, but that day is not today. And I think the best thing that you can do with this community is resign. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. Anyone that wants to see the videos I have. Thank you. No applause. No applause. to Oh, well, here we go again. It's a darn. It really is. I don't know why it's done. I think it's getting done. Wait till his neighbors find out he's one turn them in for parking in the street. They'll like that. I'll make sure they all know about all that. But you know, there's come in here and waste time to do this and we got a lot of bigger things to worry about here in the city of edgewater. You know. Excuse me. No no participation from the audience at this time. Thank you. But I will say this. I don't know why it's happening. But I'm gonna sit here and eat my slim dream and drink my dot coke. And I will say this, I supported the mayor. I've known him since he was a boy 10 years old. I've supported everybody up here. And I'm proud of the job you're doing. You may not be the most popular, but you guys are doing what you think is best for us and for the city. And it's hard. But I will say this for the, and I wish I'd have been here last time when he belittled somebody's grandmother outside because it'd be a whole different ballgame but I will say to this person. No excuse me I'm talking. I supported the mayor I'll support him until the end of time or until the end of my life. And he's a good man. He's done a lot for our community. More than people even know a care about. He takes a lot of criticism. And I'll end it with this. If anybody's upset with the mayor and the job he's doing, take it out on me. I'll meet you outside to get the first lick and I won't press charges. No violence and no participation from the audience. No. No participation from the audience at this time. Please. My name's Kim Long, 3312 mango tree drive in Edgewater, Florida. I was going to wait to speak, but I think we need a change. A subject here. I haven't been to a meeting in a long time, but I became aware of a traffic ordinance that's going to be passed. And I've talked to quite a few people this week who totally were uninformed. And then I was told that it all came about. And I have the 10 pages that were on the city website because some of the new subdivisions are too narrow. So I called City Hall. They hooked me up with ordinance people. The ordinance people put me on with the police department and Captain Geiger was kind enough to call me back and he said no. It doesn't have anything to do with the streets being too narrow. It's the fact that we allowed houses to be built that don't have room in their driveways for the cars that the owners have. So they're parking on the street. I don't know who approved houses like that, but it might be this board here, and maybe we should look at the future and not approving something that's gonna cause problems for the entire city, because I don't think that we need to change an ordinance because a few houses are having issues with not enough room in their in their driveways. It's just the way that the houses were built. Anyways, I want the people here to know that I was told by Captain Geiger that the whole region for this ordinance is because the people are uninformed in this city. Well, you're here tonight. I have the ordinance apparently only one paragraph is changing. And if you want to be informed, here it is. No person shall park any vehicle upon a street except as necessary for a delivery vehicle. The item is on the agenda if you'd like to come. I don't want to wait. I got a full house right now and I think people need to know what this ordinance says is it all right if I talk now? Okay. It may not park in such a condition or a manner as to leave available less than eight feet of the width in each direction of travel of the travel lane for free movement of vehicular traffic. The determinant for person is violated this section. The distance shall be measured from the outside edge of the vehicle violating the section to the crown of the road. The fines are up to $500. Now I was told by the captain that they would not charge that much that there's another ordinance that is much longer that says the fines have to start at $500. My fear is anyone that is in the lawn business, or anyone that is in the tree-servant business, I know I've been told they would not cite them, but according to the way this ordinance reads, they could cite them and they could find them because it says so in the ordinance. So I'm asking you guys not to pass this ordinance until either the words are changed or throw it out altogether It's one paragraph. Do we need it because a subdivision was built that didn't have enough room to park their cars? I don't think so. There's also if you read it and the captain said he wasn't not aware of it a $700 fee if they were to call a tow truck Even if the tow truck did not take your car away. Hi, Councilor Persons. This is Mark Mallow, 639 Co-Tray's Boulevard. I probably should have noted this 14 years ago. My community has over 450 people, which is about 450 automobiles. When you build a community like this, the reason we supposed to have two exits, like for an emergency evacuation? This is related to that ordinance, we request. No, no, no, no, no, it's, I just, I just, I just, no, no, no, it's I just Oh, this was Your manager would you like to answer you can submit a card and back of the room and we'll get with them Okay, yeah, okay, there's um, yeah, the court trace polevert handing out this the only exit we have Who could we build another exit for crawl trace We looked around and I guess you have to knock down a couple houses to do so. If you'll live your name address. Yeah, I was trying to take my three minutes a little bit. It'll be two minutes walk up. Okay, okay. So the answer you're answering my question. If we did go past code and was supposed to have another exit, because we only have one exit, which I'm happy with it. This is for future in case anybody wants to clip onto our road. It'd be even more traffic. So if I can get the answer to you from email, should I? Put your name and address. The email is back in the room. We'll get with you. OK, thanks. Thank you. My name is Lake Beck. I live at 1808, Victoria Palm. This is my lovely West Guy. And we're here to your beautiful city because I fell in love and I recently started renting because we can't afford to buy and it's come to our attention that the taxes are going to be raised significantly on the house that we're currently renting. There is a microphone. Yes, please no. Sorry. We're a little above the microphone. So the taxes are going to be raised significantly and it's our understanding from our landlord that it's likely that the tenant will be absorbing most of that. It's not a slight increase. You know, the amount of the tax raise is going to end up being no coincidental amount, $666 out of our pockets. And we have good, yeah, per month. I'm sorry. $666 a month is what the taxes are going to be just for the rent. That's before a mortgage or interest or anything. And we both have good jobs. No criminal record. Kind of doing the best we can here just to get in a safe area for our kids and each other. You know, and this isn't a million dollar home on the water. You know, it's not even $400,000 home. And taxes are over $8,000 a year, nearly $8,000 a year now. I don't remember the figure exactly. But we like to stay. Yeah. Yeah. We're just having government hands in our pocket just being run out. And it just keeps going up, especially with, you know, where our economy set a lot of record right now and not many in a good way. So it's just adding up. Yeah, so we would prefer not to move with the renting on the desk. Sorry. We'd prefer not to move. And we love the shores. And we just want to stay. And so we're hoping that if that other guys, what he said was true and that there's a couple of exemptions prior to the purchase of the home that are going on now, but has there been a significant tax increase over this last year? I mean, and it's- The tax increase, I'll answer that if you- Well, we're going to come to that. We are voting on this- Well, I want to tell them it's not just the city of Edgwater, you got the county support, all of those taxes in the end of that price? Now that we're in the conversation, that the tax rate last year was 6.33, the proposed tax rate for this year is 6.33, the tax rate is not increasing. If the value of the property has increased, because the rate is the same, because it's based on the value of the property, then you can experience increases. $600 a month seems a courageous not saying anybody is giving you wrong information but but last year the tax rate was 6.33 we're holding it at 6.33 or it's proposed to be held at 6.33 if there's an increase it's only because of the property itself increasing and if the previous owner lived there he might have had a homestead exemption which if you're running it you're not eligible for so on and so increase, it's only because of the property itself increasing. And if the previous owner lived there, he might have had a home stood exemption, which if you're running it, you're not eligible for, so on and so forth. So there are some factors that might be playing into that that are outside of what we offer. Hopefully we can find some exemptions and not raise, because it is the increase over what the last years taxes were on that home was $50, $800. Thank you for your comment. We appreciate it. Okay, seeing no further comments? Item six, Council Report. Councilwoman Gillis. Councilwoman Bennington. Councilwoman Dalva. I have nothing to report this time. Councilman Powers. For the sake of time I don't. Sorry, I guess let's go back. All right. I'm going to go through it fast. I attended an animal shelter event. I attended our budget recap. I attended the Fort O'League of Sanules annual, League of City's annual conference. I was appointed to the municipal operations committee. And I also put in to join in a legislative advocacy committee so I could try to help our issues better on a state level. I also attended many workshops and learned from other commissioners from other cities. I wanted to throw this out there. I did speak with some other cities that were able to save money while still having their own garbage and I also reach out to other cities about their recycling and found out ways that some had lost on that by doing their own. But I did learn a lot from gaining from the wins and losses from the other people I was able to speak to. I attended a chamber membership meeting. I attended PTA and SAC meetings at three different local schools to ribbon cuttings. I'm trying to go through this quicker. I met with Jeff Thurman and some residents about the updates on the Duckpond outfall and other staff about updates on drainage issues in the San Remo area. I would also like to congratulate you, Sidokif on his well-deserved promotion. I attended our joint planning and zoning economic workshop. I attended Volusia Flagler TPO meeting. We went over several projects. I worked with Habitat for Humanity to solve some resident issues. I spoke at a Girl Scouts bridging ceremony where the Girl Scouts graduated to the next level. I also learned that something very, that I thought was interesting. I wanted to share that when a Girl Scout receives their gold award, they can actually enter the military at a higher rank. And the local girl, Ms. Guzman, who worked on the project in Hawkes Park has just entered the military and thank her girl, Ms. Guzman, who worked on the project in Hawkes Park has just entered the military and thank her for her service. I didn't expect such a full house, but I do want to, I wanted to ask for some consensus on something. So, I would like to have a presentation done, and I wanted to see everybody else's thoughts on this, because this is something that's come up a lot. And I would like to know what cost could possibly be and what chemicals would be used to clarify the water. And that is I see a lot, I know that we've had presentations where staff has given us slides and things that says, you know, it's safe. But the fact is, it's still a lot of people have it where it looks bad. And I know I would like to know what the cost would be and what the revivocations would be if we went through different processes to fix it because it's kind of a lot of people come to me and say that, you know, they feel that our rates are high and that it's insult to injury, that it's, they also feel like the product is some part. And I would like a presentation of what it would cost to remedy that. And I'm sorry to throw that out, but I wanted that out there now. Thoughts and I also have something else too that kind of to tell on that. But I would like to see the numbers and know what chemicals they would use, what it would cost because a lot of people do feel we have a higher rate and I want them to feel that they are getting what they pay for. So I agree with you, the only caveat I would ask that is that we put a deadline of 45 days. I think sometimes things can run away from us and it's difficult to follow up. So, there's a workshop that we would have that within 45 days. I would just, I would like to see those numbers and know what the process we'd have to go to. It's just it's been discussed that oh we'd have to use these chemicals and do this but I would like to know a little bit more about the process, what the cost would be to us and how we go about it. Yeah, I think there's some really weird questions in that so it's not unclear what we're asking for. Okay, and then here is another thing. This is just going from all, this is another thing that I wanted to bring up because this is going in the past like a couple weeks, other concerns that I've seen on Facebook and I'd rather ask it now because I feel like I'm asking the question for multiple people while I'm here. I would like to have if we could look into having an outside company come in and look at our meters because I have had concerns where people are have a lot of people have brought up that they've heard rumors that we had bad meters from somewhere and I've had people tell me that oh that's not true in this and that but I would like to have but when our staff is saying it now I trust our staff but I mean a lot of times a lot of residents don't know where the information's coming from and I would like to see a presentation on that as well moving forward because I keep hearing that a lot that people are having a water yeah, meter issues, but then when they have their meter checked the meters are coming back that they're fine So I've seen that complaint coming from enough residents that that is a concern of mine and I would like to have that look that as well Awesome. Maybe we can include that in the just talking about just research into water issues in general. I've had certain I've had people who have had their meter looked at and that it was like they were labeled to look with the new meters their usage during the day. Nobody was home they were told they had inspected there was no leak but the meter was still saying that they had all this water running during the day and that there was no explanation for it. So to me, I would just like, I've seen that issue come from enough people that I would like to see that looked at, but I would like to see that looked at from an outside company, so that way residents would feel comfortable with the answers that came. Sure. I totally agree. Great idea. And that's all I got. That was my last thing I promised. That's good. Thank you, Shirley. I enjoyed the Florida League of Cities Conference with Councilwoman Gillis learning several things, several workshop events. I enjoyed the Southeast Volusia Chamber of Commerce Leadership Day, where we got to talk about city government with Mayor Cleveland and Mayor Gibson. I enjoyed lunch with Valley Pyrrhyne, a commissioner from News and Learn of Eats to talk about our surrounding our communities issues. I had a great lunch with Mr. Mark Billings from Southeast Volusia Habitat, talked about affordable housing and what we could do to expand that in our area. I enjoyed celebrating college retirement from New Sornovitch City Manager position. And I also enjoyed a Florida Republican Party event. Item 7, consent agenda. All matters under listed under the consent agenda are considered to be reteamed by the city council and will be acted upon by one motion there will be no separate discussion of these items unless discussion is desired by a member of council which case the mayor will remove that item from the consent agenda and such items will be considered separately. Is there a motion to approve the consent agenda? I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda? I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda. Second. Roll call. Councilwoman Dalbo. Yes. Councilman Powers. Yes. Mayor DePue. Yes. Councilwoman Gillis. Yes. Councilwoman Bennington. Yes. Item 8. Public hearing, ordinances, and resolution. Item 8A. Resolution 2024. That's R-19, annual fire assessment fee. Please read into the record. Resolution number 2024, dash R-19, a resolution of the City of Edgewater, Florida, relating to the provision of fire protection services, facilities and programs in the City of Edgewater, establishing legislative findings, reimposing fire services, services assessments, and assessment process, properly located within the city for the fiscal year beginning October 1, 2024. Approving the rate of assessment, approving the assessment role providing severability and providing an effective day. Thank you staff report. Good evening, Marin Council. Hopefully you can hear me okay. Okay. Here before Bridget Vassier, Finance Director with the City of Edgewater. Here before you for Resolution 2024, R R-19 which is the annual fire assessment. The City Council approved the first year of fire assessment in fiscal year 23. It would be imposed against all real property for the purpose of paying for fire protection services. Staff is recommending continuation of fire services assessment for the fiscal year of 25 the initial fire assessment resolution was approved at the July 1st 2024 council meeting Fire assessment fee will be opposed imposed until discontinued or changed Fire services assessment rates the residential fire services assessment is $50 per dwelling unit. The non-residential property rates are commercial three cents per square foot, industrial warehouse, one cent per square foot, and institutional five cent per square foot, capped at 97,000 square feet. The estimated gross revenue for fiscal year 2425 is $704, $704,000. Estimated exempt buy-down is $32,037, and collection cost of $49,665. So the estimated net revenue is $622,339. Motion to approve resolution 2024, R-19. Thank you. Open a public hearing, citizens comments. Council comments. I just kind of want to put it out there because there are a lot of folks here tonight. When we looked at the initial assessment in 2022 going into the fiscal year, 23 fiscal year. When we did this, the milledrate was 6.7. And so what happened is we actually flushed it and reduced the milledrate down to 6.33 to make up for this. So this wasn't an extra grab. What it was was a fee rather than revenue based on property value, just in case revenues sort of tanked like we saw in 2008. So this was a way to protect fire services and to protect emergency services with a solid fee rather than relying on the valuation of property. So we flushed it. It wasn't an increase in revenue. It was sort of a break even. That's all I have. Thank you. Professor Public Hearing is there their motion to approve. Make a motion to approve resolution to zero to four dash or dash 19 second. Roll call. Councilwoman Dalbo. Yes, Councilman Powers. Yes, Mayor DePueh. Yes, Councilwoman Gillis. Yes, Councilwoman Bennington. Yes, item 8B, tentative edgewater operating millage rate for fiscal year 2024 to 2025. Please read into the record resolution 2024-R-20 resolution of the City Council of Edgewater Florida adopting tentative operating millage rates for the city for fiscal year 2024-205 find for conflicting provisions severability and a put the body provide for an effective date Staff report Again mayor mayor and council Brigitte Vassier, Finance Director, C of Edgewater. Tonight, Council shall set the tenet of milled rates and the tenet of fiscal year 25 budget as noticed in the proposed property taxes or trim, truth and millage notice that Volusia County property appraiser sent to all property owners and compliance with Florida statute 200.065. Setting the maximum mileage the taxing authority must publicly announce the tentative Edgewater INS 2005, Edgewater INS 2016, and the Edgewater Operating Levy's and the tentative fiscal year 25 budget. The City of Edgewater Operating Millage is for the City of Edgewater, which is the taxing authority. The current year taxable value for operating purposes is 1,980,687,502. 5.8121 is the rolled back rate. 6.33 is the staff recommended millage rate. Staff recommended millage rate represents an 8.91 increase over the rollback rate. This increase covers the increased cost of operations and maintenance of the general fund. Increased cost including wages, fuel insurance, and all of their operating cost. All of the millage rate to cover the operating budget that was proposed at the multiple budget workshops in June, July and August. I'll take any questions before motion requested of motion to approve resolution 2024, R-20, alternative edgewater operating millage at 6.33. Thank you. Open a public hearing, citizens comments. Council comments? I think we've come up with it. I'll know what it is. Typically we have a large rate of excess funds this year. Typically, a couple minutes, the municipalities are decreasing their millage rate this year when they have that large amount of funds, but everything is going up this year, the public hearing is their motion to approve. Make a motion to approve the military for fiscal year 2024-2025. Roll call. This bending time. Did you state what the military was that we were thank you 6.33. Thank you Councilwoman Dalbo yes, Councilman Powers yes mayor Depeau no Councilwoman Gillis yes, Councilwoman Bennington yes I'm eight F resolution 2024-R29, modifying the schedule of fees and rates. Please read into the record. Resolution 2024-R-29 resolution to see Council of the City of Edgwater Florida modifying the schedule of fines fees, costs, and or penalties and various administrative fees. Glending to the City of Edgwater Code of Ornances for Solid Waste, repealing resolutions to conflict with the government, and providing for severability and applicability and establishing an effective date. Staff report. Yes, sir. On August 5, 2024, Council adopted resolution 2024-R. Well, modifying the schedule of fees and fines. There were two scripted errors on page 14 related to all non-residential property with site mitigation facilities and non-residential solid waste collection as to stormwater properties meeting certain criteria are to pay eight dollars and two cents per month per equivalent drainage unit, but the error made made it $78 and two cents as to the solid waste collection for non-residential properties, the amount to pay should have been $33.71, not $31.21. So the recommended action before you tonight is a motion to approve. Resolution 2024-R, dash 29 with an effective date about February 1, 2024. So for for the record modifying a mistake Staff report Fleet open the public hearing citizens comments Council comments question since we're opening this back up again Maybe this is an Aaron question Can we discuss, not passing it, not having a recycling increase, maybe modifying it, and then stuff can reach out and see what we're saving, so we're not saving, so it would be with that. It does seem to do. So do you mind if I chime in real quick? So at the, I believe it was the July council meeting where we actually brought before council approval of the contract with the recycling services. And this is the, the past through cost accommodating that. So just for full disclosure, full information. We don't set that rate obviously. So right. So this is, this is the rate that was agreed upon after a solicitation. The other two contractors came in much higher. And so that was the lowest bid for that particular solicitation. And this is more I pass through rate. Great. Okay. And a previous meeting we discussed that possibly after certain days we could cancel the contract if we chose to and I know Charlotte had brought up some topics about look with other cities about their recycling, but I just didn't know there's something that we could look into. What's something we can do? It's 120 days. Yes, we can look into it. So we're still in the 120 days. Well, we just have to get 120 days. Yes. It hasn't started yet. OK. No, you've got to tell me that that's what you want to do. I guess, Council, what do you guys think? What do you think of? What was it? What is the monthly rate, $8? You got that bridge? Yeah, yeah. That's correct. That's a big decision, just sort of flippantly make right now. Right. I know some other municipalities don't carry recycling. That's a big decision to sort of flippantly make right now, right? I know some other municipalities don't carry recycling. I know New Simorna doesn't off the top of my head. Are there any ones that we know of? Eltona. Eltona doesn't? Since 2020. I mean, I do recycle. Yes. I do as well. But I think it's important, but at the end of the day, if this sort of curbs the burden, but at the same time, we're recreating out of the burden, right? Because now there's increased. So the glass that was going in the cycling bin is now going in. We're going in. In our refuse, in our solid waste, and our solid waste, we are charged to dispose of that at a higher rate based on weight. Wait. Yes. So does that then cause a greater issue than down the road for our refuse service? I think we discussed that a bit when we were talking about the rate. It's like kind of the question just trying to go out and look for numbers and what it would change. What would be. So I think that's I think that's the consensus is she wants numbers on change. See what it would look like. But can we yes, but can we modify it so that it can go it can be what's going to be. But if we can if we find that we have a large net savings. Can we modify the rates later again? Is that something? Yeah, we can absolutely come back before council, and I know Steph, not to interrupt. The board to the answer to your question, it would drop the rate by $8. Not entirely, I believe there was some administrative cost built into that. And the tipping fees would have to still be covered because as someone mentioned. We don't have good data on that. No, so we would have to pull together the data on the actual reduction to cook. So for example, be $6 reduction, not a full eight. Yes, sir. All right. Thank you. So we're still exploring that. Yes. Basically, it's what we've had. OK, great. OK, so Mr. Mayor, I make a motion to approve resolution number 2024-9 with an effective date of October 1, 2024. Okay. Roll call. Councilwoman Dalbo. Yes. Councilman Powers. Yes. Mayor DePue. No. Councilwoman Gillis. No. Councilwoman Bennington. Yes. Item 8c. Painted of Edgewater INS 2005, Voted Debt Service Militory for the Animal Shelter for Fiscal Year 2024 to 2025. Please read into the record. Resolution in 2024-R-21. Resolution of the City Council of Edgewater Florida adopting Tenerative Voted Debt Service Militories for the City for Fiscal Year 2024-2025. go year 2024 2025 run for conflicting provisions, severability and a particular voting is run for an effective date. Thank you staff report. Edgewater INS 2005 where the city of Edgewater is the taxing authority. The current year taxable value for debt service purposes would be $1,980,687,502. This milled rate is to cover the voter approved limited general obligation for the animal shelter. The 0.0200 is the staff recommended milled rate. This rate covers the principal and interest for the required voter approved debt service for fiscal year 25. The motion requested is motion to approve resolution 2024, R-21 for tentative edgewater INS 2005 milled rate at 0.0200. Thank you. Open a public hearing, citizens comments. Council comments. What is the public hearing is their motion to approve? Mr. Mayor make a motion to approve resolution over 2024-R-21 for the tentative INS 2005 voted debt service milled rate of 0.200 zero for the animal shelter for fiscal year 2024-2025. Item is there a second? Second. Roll call. Councilwoman Dalbo? Yes. Councilman Powers? Yes. Mayor DePio? Yes. Councilwoman Gillis yes, Councilwoman Bennington yes item 8D tentative edgewater I and S 2016 voted debt service millage rate for the go for parks and fiscal year 2024 to 2025 Please read into the record resolution 2024-SR-22 a resolution of the City Council of Edgewater Florida adopting tentative-voted debt service milled rates for the city for fiscal year 2020-4, 2025 provided for conflicting provisions, severability and a liberty provided for an effective day. Staff report. Edgewater INS 2016, where the City of Edgewater is the taxing authority. The current year taxable value for the debt service purposes is $1,980,687,502. This millage rate is to cover the voter-approved limited general obligation for Go for Parks. The 0.1267 is the staff-recommended millage rate, which would cover the principal and interest for the required voter-approved debt service for fiscal year 25. Motion requested, motion to approve resolution 2024 or dash 22 for tentative edgewater INS 2016. Millage rate at 0.1267. Thank you. Open a public hearing citizens comments. Council comments. Those are public hearing is an emotion to approve resolution number 2024-R-22 for the tentative I and S-2016 voted at service military of 0.1267 for the Go for Parks or fiscal year 2024 or 2025. Second roll call. Councilwoman Dalbo. Yes. Councilman Powers. Yes. Mayor DePue. Yes. Councilwoman Gillis. Yes. Councilwoman Bennington. Yes. Item 8E. Tentative Budget. Providing for appropriations for fiscal year 2024 to 2025. Please reading to the record. Resolution 2024- R dash 23. A resolution of the City Council of Edgewater Florida adopting the tentative general fund enterprise funds and all the related funds budgets and the capital improvements program from the fiscal year 2024 2025 riding for appropriations brought in severability and for an effective date. Staff report. The Edgewater 2025 operating budget before you. This budget includes the operational cost for fiscal year 2425. We've had multiple presentations in June, July, and August. Various budget workshops. This budget includes increased operating cost as previously described. Other items as described include before I go into the other items. City of Edgewater Tax and Authority. The school year 25 budget includes the General Fund Special Revenue, Debt Service, Capital Enterprise and Internal Service Funds. For the city charter, we budget at the fund level. Citywide Fiscal Year 2025 operating budget. And capital budgets for all funds is $ million, 562,351. Some of the increased cost included wages, fuel, insurance, maintenance, other operating cost. There were a few items that were not mentioned during the three budget workshops that we wanted to make full transparency, full disclosure with Mayor and Council. In June, July and August, the workshops included governmental funds and prize funds and so forth. Due to little or no fiscal impact, we had not mentioned, however, since they include reclassification of new positions and a minor fiscal impact, we wanted Mayor and Council to be aware of the changes included in the fiscal year 25 budget. Being approved as follows. There is a job title change for fire captain to division chief which incorporates a 5% increase approximately 4,000. A job title change for division chief to deputy chief that has no fiscal impact and a job title change for parks and rec beautification lead maintenance worker to team leader of $4,000. We wanted to make sure hold disclosure those items were also included in the operating budget that would be approved by mayor and council. Another change between this tentative budget that is before you this evening and the next hearing for the final original budget for fiscal year 25. Finance staff had been working to incorporate all of the carry forward amounts within carry forward budget amendment that is typically completed in the December January timeframe and this way we prevent duplication and so forth. It was brought to us that it would be preferred to make sure that the carry forward budget is included in the original budget for the CRA. So the CRA originally was approximately 589,000 Instead of waiting for the project roll forward budget amendment, we are increasing the CRA budget by $1.3 million, which is basically their current year operating budget. Carry forward as part of the original budget. Also recently identified that will come before you at some point during the year with the budget amendment. The Parks and Rec slash Economic Redevelopment Coordinator identified that will come before you at some point during the year with the budget amendment. The Parks and Rec slash economic redevelopment coordinator position is being split between a Parks and Rec director and economic redevelopment coordinator. So the two positions, Parks and Rec director now Jason Ryan, who is in charge of development services, is taking on the responsibility of economic redevelopment until they can find someone to fill that role. Pay range for that particular position somewhere between 48 and 80k, or 1,000. So those were a couple of items that we wanted to make sure full disclosure, full transparency included in the budget. I will open it up for any questions. Thank you. Open a public hearing, citizen's comments. Council comments. I'm not sure I am fully comfortable with economic development landing at a coordinator level. Edgewater in Southeast Volusia in terms of manufacturing. When we look at part-town and we look at some of the other businesses are boat plants, so on and so forth. In Southeast Volusia, at least, are leading in that type of work. And so to bring someone in at a coordinator role and to have this sort of under that umbrella of development services, number one, I think development services for a lot of going on right now. I think we would be doing a disservice to not continue to be advocating for more jobs, right, and for our community and high paying jobs. I mean, the work that's been brought in just in the last five years in terms of industry has been huge, not to mention the industry that's been brought in just in the last five years in terms of industry has been huge, not to mention the industry that is already here. So economic development can sort of be a dirty term, but not in the sense of just sheer growth, that's not what we're looking at, but looking at the fact that, you know, my family's been in Edgewater for five generations and I was able to be here and work here and live here. And so that's valuable when I bring the six generations into Edgewater to, if they choose to go to school or not totality of the well-being of our community is too important to leave at the coronative position. So I don't know how to do this other than I would like to see that classified out of director level. Hi, Greg. Hi, Tully. Greg, I mean, we have so many wonderful things at the BRICS. We have our boat ramp. It's not completed yet. We have our boat ramp. It's not completed yet. We have onyx. Corporations coming in. The most million square feet facility. Whenever I go to these developments, some of it's within Belusa. We're at the top of the level. It comes to economic development. I totally agree with you. is and this is, so this privately I don't think this is anything against Ryan. I just I think that development is a hot topic in the first place and I don't didn't want to see that be under that umbrella because I think that is, I mean all of the economic development and all of development in general being under one area just that's that's too much power for one voice and to be overall of that and that's concerning for me for anybody in that position. So I just wanted to see that be under anywhere else other than that. If that makes sense. Well, I feel like we need an economic director per se because we need to get out there more and bring in more. And I don't want to put it on Ryan either. I think he's got that stuff. because we need to get out there more and bring in more. And I don't want to put it on Ryan either. I think he's got stuff to have an development director who is solely focused on economic development rather than having to split that role is also important. So, absolutely. I'm sorry, you're confused. No, I agree. Okay. So how do we recommend an action to amend. Do you need a figure amount? So at this moment in time, we do not have that role positioned into the operating budget. We would have to bring it back before council. Right. We can include it in the second reading if you want me to pull together. Okay. Okay. Okay. So we don't need to necessarily say, you know, with an amended amount, not to exceed a certain amount, you're going to bring that back to us. Okay. Okay. So still talking or yes, topic. Because we're so we're still on tentative budget. We're still on tentative budget. We're still on tentative budget. I know where some of staff is coming from, but I do, before this moves forward with my conversation, just so when people know that I'm just not voting really nilly on things, there are still questions that I have had about the budget and I am not comfortable with the amount of information that I've been able to get on certain things and that's why I did not move forward on the rate on the prior item and then that's also some concerns I have with the budget as well moving forward so I don't want it to seem blindsided if the things that I approve of or not because I feel that I do not have adequate information on certain items moving forward and that's just I want to put that things that I've asked for. Thank you. How do we do this? So you need a motion. We need a motion. So Minister Mayor I need a motion. So minister mayor make a motion to approve resolution number 2024-R-23 for the tentative budget fiscal year 2024 2025 with the added position of economic development director. So my recommendation can I don't know if I'm allowed to at this point, but you now wants a direct-up or edit-in. So we're just asking you to approve the tentative budget as it stands and between the first and second reading. We'll go ahead and add that and so when you approve the second final, it would be included in that and I'll have a final figure for you to include the CRA increased and that. Okay, so I recant and I make a motion to approve for resolution number 24-R-23 for the tentative budget for fiscal year 24-25. That's me. Roll call. Councilwoman Dabbo. Yes, Councilman Powers. Oh, yes. Mayor DePue. Yes. Councilwoman Gillis. No. Councilwoman Bennington. Yes. Item AG. Second reading. Ornus, summer 2024-0-19. I'm ending the late the impact fees related to article 17 development and impact fees of the land development code Please read into the record. Ornus, summer 2024-0-19 in order to the city of Edgwater, Florida Many might find this schedule of impact fees related to chapter 21 land development code article 17 development impact fees. The city of edgewater could have worn since behind for 50 provisions, several building of the body, but he behind for an effective date and adopt. Thank you staff report. Yes, or this is a second reading. There's no additional information staff is available to answer any questions. Open a public hearing. This is comments. Council comments. available to us in the question. Public hearing, council comments. Other than just putting it on the record, these are the fees that are passed along to the developers, most of which are increasing. These are things that go to fire rescue, police, government buildings, parks and rec transportation in fact these water and sewer utilities all of those costs that are passed along to the developer. Okay. Thank you. Seeing no further comments, what is the public hearing? Is there a motion to approve? Make a motion to approve. zero two four dash zero dash one nine. Second roll call. Councilwoman Dalbo. Yes, Councilman Powers. Yes, Mayor DePue. Yes, Councilwoman Gillis. Yes, Councilwoman Bennington. Yes, I'm eight age second reading. Ornus, summer 2024 dash O dash 24 traffic and parking. Please read into the record. Ornus, summer 2024 dash O dash 24, traffic and parking, please read into the record. Ones number 1024, dash 24, ones of many, chapter 7 traffic of the Code of Ortses City Vegewater, Florida, provide for the provision of several building and the building, providing full codification and effective date and for adoption. Staff report. Yes, this is a second reading. There's no additional information, but because it's such a hot topic, I think Captain Geiger should address it. Yes sir. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Good evening, Mayor and Council. As I had said before, there is some confliction between what is in the fire code and what is an ordinance now? Fire code chapter 18 currently prohibits street parking. And it's not easily accessible for the residents to find so we're simply adding that to ordinance now. It changes nothing, none of the fines change. There's some misconception that's a $500 fine. It's a Class I incident, which is a $75 fine. There's no fees for cancellation of tow trucks. Any of that, it's simply putting everything that we do now currently, which is still illegal, or against ordinance, into the same traffic section that can be easily searched, so everybody can park the right. Thank you. Thank you. This is comments. Hey everybody, how's it going? Chuck Martin, 205, Chair with Lane Edgewater. So this situation here, I did my little best of case. I was going to check Martin to a five-chair with Lane Edge water. So this situation here, I did my little investigation just because I wanted to check it out. So I drove through there and I checked it out. And I did see one spot where the cars were parked. I couldn't get my truck through there. But I think it's just a matter of their HOA getting with the residents and coming up with a solution. And it's a simple one. And the simple solution is you pick the first month and everybody that lives on a east, a street going north or south and one going east and west, they park on one side of the road and next month, they do the other, you know, as a courtesy, you might be in front of your neighbor's house one week, but it might be in front of the other one the next week. And I think they can resolve this themselves, you know? And look, everybody knows we have to have laws everywhere, okay? And that's why we got this, one of the safest cities in the state of Florida right here in Edgewater. And, you know, like Caps and Settys, they're not going to go out and pick on people and start writing all this stuff up. It's just a law. I mean, we have to, we have to have standards to abide by. That goes for everybody. It goes for you guys too. Nobody's exempt from this. You know, I remember a police officer that was parking in his front yard and it violated the code and Hazel Woods said he's not exempt and it's everybody's got to abide by the same set of rules. However, there is circumstances on weekends and family and holidays and stuff like that. But just, you know, all we have to do is just be courteous and not park where nobody can get a vehicle through, you know, an event of emergency because then you'll have to drive over to sidewalks and to grass. But I think it's, you know, with their HOA and there's some pretty smart people, and they're good people in there. You know, and they pay a lot, they pay a lot on their taxes. And, you know, they deserve to be treated fairly, just like everybody else. But like I said, if they could just come up with a plan to park on one side one month and one the other, and that would take care of it, you know, and other than that, I mean, I've just kind of put my two sitting there. We kind of do the same thing in my little neighborhood. We don't even have sidewalks and we're able to ease off in the grass a little bit. But I think it's just common courtesy and just looking out for your neighbors, what's important here. Thank you for your comment, Mr. Mayor. Caption would like to address. Chef, that's a great idea. I appreciate it. Thank you for your comment. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. I didn't work, but now they have zero authority whatsoever to actually enforce the name of those actions. I just want to clarify something. You talked about in this neighborhood. I'll just further answer. I'm sorry. Kim Long 3312 mango tree. What neighborhood are we talking about here? Because I was informed that this was a specific problem in a specific neighborhood. Please address the council. Do you know what he meant when he said I drove through that neighborhood? It is universal policy. Being applied to the entire industry. Okay, so I'd like to clarify section 17-32 cancellation, which he just said there is no fee. This is what I took off your website I'm assuming. This is the ordinance as it stands now, and only one paragraph was added to it. It says in the event a vehicle owner operator returns to the vehicle after the police officer or code enforcement officer has some in day record service. The officer will be so advised, the record service who can then cancel the response to that call. However, in the event that the record service has already arrived at the scene and the owner of the operator of the vehicle being cited returns, the record service will then retain the option to collect a service charge of $715. Now, if this isn't what's in the ordinance, that's cool. I'm good with it. But if it is, I think you guys should table this and take it out because there's, he said there is no 750. This is what it reads. And if it reads this, it can be charged this. Okay. I can help you out on that. That's a symbol for a four state statute. That's four state statutes, 71507. It's not a monetary fine, it's simply referring you to the statute. Okay. So I'm Mike Collins from 324, Mr. Pomp and Ed Water. So I'm a handyman in the area. My question is this is how are handyman plumbers, roofers, all the people are taking care of our neighborhoods, gonna park, because I mean, we have lots of great drainage right in our neighborhood. You can't park in that drainage. I mean, you cannot have your truck on a side like this, and unload it, you just can't do it. And so I do have a solution like he kind of had. I mean, and at least in floor shores, all the mailboxes are on one side of the road or the other. Why would you just make a parking thing? You can only park on the opposite side as the mailboxes. And then maybe even change it to where our trash cans are on the same side as the mailboxes. Because I know now we've got the new trash trucks or picking the actual trash trucks up or they're picking up the cans, right? Be nice for them not just to go down one side of the road. I'd save a lot of money there too. And if we all just park on one side of the road, then it would be no big deal. I mean, just maybe leave for work a little bit earlier too, knowing that there's lots of people that are up way before some of you guys trying to get the work and trying to make this community run smoothly. And that's people like me. And it's it there and have to wonder am I gonna be fine for trying to do my job? You know, that's kind of not cool. You know, so, I mean, be kind obviously, you know, get over what you're turn. Let's go back to kindergarten. Learn those simple rules we learned there. You know, it'd be a nice community. But I think a real simple solution won't cost a lot of money. Let's just say park on this side of the road, opposite side of the mailboxes. But our trash can go to the other side, save some money on the trash removal. You know, I think some of these solutions could be really simple. And I get it, it's busy in the morning, especially in the morning trying to get the school or work or whatever with all the different trades that are parked on the road. But honestly, just wait your turn. It's no big deal. You know, we're not talking about the freeway or US one going 55 miles an hour. We're talking about these little neighborhoods going 25 miles an hour. I mean, we can wait. I mean, I just think this rule is not a good one because it can be used against people, depends on the police officer or whatever they can decide. They don't like that person or whatever. And though the book at, I think those kind of laws are really bad to have them books. Kind of like the dog rule now on the beach. No one's obe prosecuted for having to dog on the beach. And so why we have rules we're not going to enforce. I think this is not a good one. Just be patient, be kind to your neighbors, maybe park on one side of the road. It could be simple solution. Thank you for your comment. Please no public participation. Hi, Nicole Mufuchi, and Coral Trace, and I just wanted to ask if I could clarify something that you had stated, you had stated that HUA's do not have any authority over marketing. Is that for public road HUA's? Our Coral Trace is a private road we also have an agreement with edge order for you guys to police the road so if we have stuff in our bylaws are you allowed to follow through. Yeah absolutely so that's new and legislative session I'm not a hundred percent when it comes to public private anything there I do know that they stripped all their authority from it. I would recommend the HUA with the attorney that represents them to see where your actual legalities are, however it is stripped completely. So I don't know specifically neighborhood-wise, I would never give that advice, but it has changed significantly. Council discussion. Oh, wait if anyone else has anything else to add. No, I just, I think it's great to clarify that the business, small businesses who are in the area, lo and plumbing, air conditioning, they can park alongside the road and not have to worry about getting a ticket or being fined. And that's been a big concern from a few of the residents. We're getting a ticket and being too way through an expense. I just want to put that out there to make sure that's being addressed and it's not going to happen. Yes, ma'am. I think that the most important thing to remember is there's no change. It's simply going in ordinance. Truth be told and transparently, the way that it was before, if you ask code enforcement, there was one opinion, if you ask the police department, there was one opinion, if you ask city works, there was one opinion of it. So this really just unifies it to what it exactly is, so that residents can search it. And I said it the last time, and I know it's all of our least favorite things to do. However, there are habitual, of regis violations that we have to address, and that's specifically what this is for. But you're not gonna have delivery drivers that are running up there to a package trying to be to police officer back to the car. You're not gonna have long guys that are weeding and trying to pay traffic tickets. We're not in that business. We'll never be in that business. This is simply bringing what we already enforce and have on the books into the specific traffic area that it should be in. So again, it's not that, yeah. So it being in the fire code, this is moving it to the code of ordinances. The code of ordinances, which is available online for access and reference versus the fire code that is not. Obviously it's in the fire code for emergency services. That's just sort of good practice to make sure that we can get fire trucks to the road. And ambulances and large vehicles that help us in emergencies. Again, I think it comes down to the way that we practice it. This talks about eight feet of separation. There's some practicality in that. So that's all I have. Thank you. My biggest concern and I know I know it's there for a reason but I also know that if we're for moving it we can also we were like that $500 number carifies me. I know that's just for possibly certain things, but that is one of my biggest caveats to the whole thing, is that number being in there? I know we can say, we would do the 70 or 75, but it's the fact that $500 numbers there. So you never could. So in order to do that, it's an error can probably help me out of this. It's a generic statement when it comes to fines. That's the maximum that any city ordinance can be. So if it's illegal dumpeting anything there, it's a it's to say paper for lack of better terms. It's the generic fine statement on the bottom of each of them. It's a class one offense in the fee schedule that you all approved tonight. The maximum five for that $75. I was gonna say we have a fee schedule which defines where this falls under correct So let's let's say that there was a clerical area and sorry to interrupt you sir if there was a clerical area and somebody put $200 on that it can't be processed the most defined could be for parking is $75 because it falls under that the class won't yes yes Okay I'm sorry. We've already had public comments on this issue or We're at council discussion at this time. Okay, is there a motion to approve? We've already done it once though. I'll make a motion to approve ordinance number 2024 of 24. Second roll call. Councilwoman Davo. Yes. Councilman Powers. Yes. Mayor DePue. No. Councilwoman Gillis. No. Councilwoman Bennington. Yes. And it made eye. Second reading. Ordinance 2024-0-35. A35 amend section 4.05 benefits upon reappointment after retirement of Article 4 retirement benefits of the police officer's pension point please reading to the record. On a summer of 2024-0-35 in order to the city council of the Edgewater Florida emitting the city of Edgewater Florida police officer's pension plan providing for amendment to section 4.05, benefits upon re-employment after retirement, to provide for a continued receipt of pension benefits after retirement upon re-employment, providing for continued provisions, providing for several ability and a preventability and providing an effective date. Thank you, staff report. Yes, or this is a second reading. There's no additional information, but staff is available answering all questions. Thank you. Open a public hearing, citizens comments? the state of the state of the council members for supporting our police officers. Is there a motion to approve? Mr. Mayor, I make a motion to approve ordinance number 2024-0-35. Roll call. Councilwoman Dalbo. Yes. Councilman Powers. Yes. Mayor DePio. Yes. Councilwoman Gillis. Yes. Councilwoman Bennington. Yes. I name A.J. Second Reading. Or in December 2024-0-36. Yes, I'm from one bending. Yes, I'm a J second reading or number 2024 dash O dash 36 Please read into the record on a summer 2024 dash O dash 36 in order to the city of Edgewater Florida many chapter 12 Offenses and miscellaneous provisions article three alarm systems of the code of ordinances provided for conflict with provisions severability and a liberty provided for cotton and effective data and adoption Staff report. Yes, or again, this is the second reading. There's no additional information. Staff's here and ready to answer questions. Recommended action before he's denied his motion to approve ordinance number 24-0. That's 30 seconds. Open to public hearing, citizens comments. Council comments. What's the public hearing? Is there a motion to approve? Make a motion to approve ordinance number 2024-0-36 roll call Councilwoman Dava. Yes, Councilman Powers. Yes, yes, yes Councilwoman Gillis. Yes, Councilwoman Bennington. Yes, and I'm eight K first readingance number 2024-0-37. Amending the firefighter pension plan by adding section 4.08. Acquired benefits. Please read into the record. Ones number 2024-0-37, in the ordinance of the City Council of Aguada, Florida, amending the city of Aguada, Florida, firefighters pension plan by adding section 4.08, accrued benefits to provide for the purchase of the enhanced multiplier and benefit calculation, providing for conflicting provisions, providing for several ability and a probability and providing an effective date. Staff report, yes, as was already stated, the proposed amendment and Section 4.08 agreed benefits to the firefighters pension plan, which provides for firefighters to purchase and enhance multiplier for benefit calculation. Firefighters wishing to purchase such enhanced multipliers shall pay the full actual real cost of such purchase. So the recommended action for each and other is a motion to approve of ordinance 2024 dash O dash 37. Of an public hearing citizens comments. Council comments. Is that just, is this something that PD already has, I'm just mending it, so fire has it to? I don't know, PD is going to be wrong. I'll just ask questions. Thank you. Close the public hearing, is there a motion to approve? Make a motion to approve ordinance number 2 024-0-37. Second roll call. Councilman Dalla. Yes. Those who have powers. Yes. Mayor DePio. Yes. Councilwoman Gillis. Yes. Councilwoman Bennington. Yes. First reading, ordinance number 2024-0-39. Request for annexation of 115 acres located east of Volca Road. In south of Edgewater Preserve, Phase 3, 4, and 5, please read into the record. Ornithes, summer of 2024, dashed 0-39, in ordinance annexed in 115 plus a minus a equals a certain property located in the Volca Road in south of Edgewater Preserve Phase 3, 4, 1, 3, 0, 1, 0, 2, 0, 8, 4, 1, 3, 0, 1, 0, 2, 0, 0, 5, 0, 8, 4, 1, 3, 0, 1, 0, 2, 0, 0, 8, 4, 1, 0, 2, 0, 8, 4, 1, 0, 2, 0, 8, 4, 1, 0, 8, 4, 1, 0, 2, 0, 8, 4, 1, 0, 8, 4, 1, 08 413 010 110 84 130 1 030 1 0100 84 130 1 030 1 030 0100 84 130 1 030 030 84 130 1 030 3 0 060 84 130 1 030 3 0 040 84 130 1 030 1 030 1 030 84 130 1 030 1 030 1 030 84 130 1 030 1 030 1 030 84 130 1 030 1 030 1 030 84 130 1 030 1 030 1 030 1 03010841304 015084130104 050084130404 010084130105 010084130106 010084130106 01608413010700010841301060160841301070108413010801084140000 the City of Edgwater, Florida, subject to the jurisdiction obligations benefit of the Inmissive County, many in the description of the City of Edgwater Corp. Let us provide for filing with the clerk of the District of Port Felicia County, property and prison and department of state, time for a conflicting provision, severability and a fully provided for an effective date recording and adoption. Amen. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The request before you is the request for annexation of 115 plus from minus acres located east of Alcoa Road and south of Edgewater Preserve Phase 3, 4 and 5. the city of Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, Santa Monica, 115 acres, 5 acres, one of those 5 acres, little parcels in there was omitted from the legal description. So tonight we are re-hearing all three items as required by Florida Statute, which has now the corrected legal description. Staff is available if you'd like to recap on the items, oh, we happy to go into. Okay, so the subject property is within Lucia County that is not within the interlocal service boundary agreement. As such, it must be demonstrated that the proposed annexation meets the following criteria and accordance with Section 171 of Florida Statutes. That's contiguous to city limits that it's reasonably compact and it does not create enclaves. The proposed parcels are contiguous to the city of Edgewater. Edgewater preserve which is within city limits and abuts the property to the North boundary. The proposed set of parcels are compacted nature which is visible with the only outlier is the one parcel located on Volko Road and it does not create an enclave with adjacent Lucia County unincorporated parcels. Staff is recommending approval for the annexation of 115 plus or minus acres into the city of Edgewater. So to verify Ryan this is something that had been previously approved. There was an error with the survey with the legal description. With the legal description. So we have to re-hear it because of the the fix in the right. Because although what you had approved was the conceptual plan, the large scale comprehensive plan amendment and the annexation, it was missing five acres and it did not close. The legal description did not close as well. So that is why it's being brought before council tonight. Okay. Thank you. Over to public hearing. Minnesens comments. Good evening, everyone. For the record my name is Quay Brown with George Law firm for 20 South River Road Daytona Beach. Mr. Joey Posey spoke with you about this I believe back in June when that was approved. He couldn't be your knight so he asked me to come. I don't know much about the project he does but I'd be happy to answer the questions and he wanted me to come. I don't know much about the project he does, but I'd be happy to answer the questions. And he wanted me to emphasize that this is just to fix the issue with the legal description being incorrect and that there's nothing else really changing. So if you have any questions, I'm happy to answer. Thank you. Thank you. I'm just curious. what is this development for? What's this? I'm still confused at what's going on with this. Is this the kind of annex into the city? You're the state from the name and address. I was right, Mike Collins. We do for this to pump in at work. So I'm just, I guess I'm still confused. Is this just like, is this more development or is this what, but yeah, I'm just'm still confused. Is this just like is more development or is this what? I'm just curious. Sorry, your bento. The first item being heard tonight is an annexation for the 115 acres from Volusia County into the city of Ed water. The next two items are a large scale comprehensive plan amendment to change the future land use from what it is currently in Delusia County to the city of Edgewater, low density residential for a single family and town home development. And there is subsequently a rezoning request to accommodate that is in the residential plan unit development agreement in the proceeding ordinance. So basically more development, more housing development here. And goal of this. We got a lot of houses right now. Just I wonder if that's a good thing or not. And that's, that's just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm flooded for the first time in 35 years. I'd like to know what the plan is for the runoff Volco Road. I ride it all the time with my bicycle and they're digging the ditch on the side of the road deeper and deeper and deeper. I don't see this as a permanent fix, but we are having issues with all of the clear cutting out there in the water that's running off. I mean, not one tree is left, not one tree. On what I pass on Boko Road they scrape it everything off of it, slap the houses up. There's a few little lakes, but as soon as we get a hurricane or a huge storm with the 20 inches of rain we got, I think we're gonna have issues. Thank you. Thank you very much. Council comments. So Ryan again obviously this is something that previously approved for fixing an error. We updated the stormwater codes at the end of 2020. The three began in 2024. Correct, so this does have the enhanced stormwater standards that were adopted at the end of 23 early 24 and that's incorporated in that PUD agreement. Council will give me just a moment. So in the next proceeding items, if you recall this development had a lot of preservation. So it was a maximum of 176 units. However, of the site, they were only developing 19% of the 115 acres. Within that PUD agreement, they were gonna leave 46.3 acres or 41.6% of the, which is basically the entire wetlands as conservation. And then the ponds and uplands to meet that current height and stand water, storm water code was going to be 39.3% of the site. So the total open space, inclusive of the ponds and there was 80.9% of the development. Well they're only using 19% of the hotter than 15 acres. Correct. And 80% of the site is either wetland conservation or water retention ponds. Thank you. Thank you. I just, there was a, there has been a lot of citizens that reached out to me and I know it's just that it was, it was approved before, but I did, I still have concerns. I just, just because we did something before it doesn't. We always have to do it again. So I mean, I just, I still, there has been a lot of people who have reached out since that last reading. So I just, I want to take that into consideration as well. I have a legal question. I have a legal question. Please no audience participation. If we don't vote for this now, are we held liable because we voted for it? Is it our fault that we didn't have it correct? No, it's not the city's fault that it was not. It was a surveying issue, is my understanding. So if that answer was the question. It was no fault of the city. So we wouldn't the question, it was no fault of the city. So we wouldn't have any liability if we turned it down. No. Thank you. I was very, I just, I was uneasy on it the first time. So just a question, I mean, everything happens for a reason. So I don't know. I just, I still have concerns. But when you have 19 acres of this whole thing that's going to be developed the rest of a 80.99 percent you said is going to be in 80.9% of the site will be either wetlands or stormwater parts That's not about average. I've had a lot of residents reach out. I've drove it. I personally went out there and said that really high elevation compared to Florida shores. There is no storm water located at the back area that would connect the Florida shores. That's one of my major concerns. If this is all through with it, it's already on their parcel that's already developed. It's a concern of mine. So that's, I have a huge concern with this facility in this area. Why have the question, has there been an environmental study done to see the effects on Volkow root? In the stormwater, I know they're going with the updated stormwater plan which for the 100-year storm which is great but has there been any kind of environmental study done to see if anything else could happen? So an environmental study has been done on this subject, 115 acres and environmental study has not been done on Volkow root my knowledge, but it is a county road. I know that Linar is working with the county as well as the city in the state regarding traffic improvements on Volko Road. And has there already been school studies done as well? Yes. This has, at the original hearing, City staff sent it to Florida Department of Commerce. During that transmitters process for the large scale conference of Planned Amendment, we sent it to the Lucia County Schools and went through Lucia County Growth Management review. All those reviews have been done. So by the State, the school board board as far as capacity concerns for school And it's impressive of the the 115 acres that any any percent of the left green Which I don't think many of our developments up till now have have met that criteria. Have they? No So We've I'm sorry. No, I'm don't so obviously school board provides approval. It's not something we do. Correct. But that's something they've already worked through that process. Correct. So typically when an application comes to staff, staff sends it out to the school board with the number of units requested. We get a finding of adequate capacity from the school board stating that they either have capacity, they don't. In this case, the school board has capacity. They have not reserved those seats yet. That typically occurs at or prior to preliminary plat, which is the beginning of creating that subdivision, that process. So Volko being a county road, it triggered a traffic study? This one has, well, so at preliminary plat, we'll review the ITE and see if it trips more than a thousand daily trips or PMP-Cour right-hand, left-hand turns. And if it does trigger any of those requirements, then a traffic study will be required. We are focusing on, right now with Lennar, on edgewater preserve phase one and two, as well as subsequently three and four with traffic improvements on Volko Road and the county has been extensively involved as it is their road. So 3, 4 and 5, how many total homes would that be if approved? Phase 3, 4 is probably going to be roughly 320 homes. So that's not this, that's not this, that's something that's already existing. Correct. Those are already entitled, those are entitled back. 3, 4 and 5 is not this, no. No, no, it was used as a general location of where. Okay. Yeah, it's just saying it's in, it It's it's a butting those those lots. Yes, let's know. OK, sorry. What is the public hearing? Is there a motion to approve? Make a motion to approve ordinance 2024-0-39. Is there a second? A second. Roll call. Councilwoman Dalbo. Yes. Councilman Powers. Yes. Mayor DePue. No. Councilwoman Gillis. No. Councilwoman Bennington. Yes. Item N. First reading, on this number 2024-0-40, request for a large scale comprehensive plan amendment for 115 plus acres east of Volca, Redford, Bulleyshire County, rural and environmental service corridor to the city of Edgewater, low density residential with the conservation overlay. Please read into the record. Ones number 2024-0-40, in order to the city of Edgewater, many to comprehensive plan is amended by many the official future land use map from rural and environmental services quarter to low density residential with conservation overlaid for 115 plus amount of sakes of certain property located east of Alcoa Road in south of Vegewater, Pzeur, Phase 3, 03010010841302010108008413010202-841-3020-220-01084-13010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-1010-309 084130103 07084130103 06084130103 04084130103 01084130104 041304 2010841305 0108413060108 41301 0601608413070101010108 413108000108 41400000608401010108 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 6, 0, 8, 4, 1, 4, 0, 1, 0, 9, 0, 0, 1, 0, 8, 4, 1, 4, 0, 2, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, and 8, 4, 1, 4, 0, 3, 0, 3, 0, 0, 0, 7, 0, edgewater floor to provide for public hearings, fires and consistency, provide for completely provision, severability and a property and providing for and for staff report. Thank you Mr. Mayor. The request before you is a large scale conference of Planned Amendment for 150 acres from Volusia County rule and environmental services corridor the city of Edgewater low density residential with conservation overlay. Again this item is attached to the annexation and the subsequent rezoning. City staff did send it out to all state agencies and received no comments back that included St. John's. City staff did send it out to Volucia County Growth Management and received no comments back and did receive approval from Volucia County Growth Management to proceed with the public hearing process. City staff is willing to answer any and other questions regarding the large scale conference at plan amendments to the staff is recommending approval Thank you open a public hearing citizens comments Kim long 3312 mango tree edgewater. I hate to beat a dead horse But I live in the 33 block of mango tree. I think your plan is fantastic. I wish you guys would have required that for all the building you already allowed. But on the other side of the street where they scraped every tree off of Oco Road and built all those houses, there's a drain that goes through from there to 35th Avenue. I don't know if it's supposed to be a drain, but the water flows about 15 miles an hour after a rain, and where does it end up? It ends up in the lake at 35th Avenue. From 35th Avenue, it's got to go up past my house and end up on another lake on mango and so on and so on until it ends up in the river. So my concern once again is because of the elevation, everything is elevated higher than all of us that have homes in there from 1970 to 1990 and even 2000s. We didn't have to have that elevation. All the water is flowing our way. And I've already seen it and this gentleman's got a great plan because that's all wetlands, but we've already allowed it to be scraped clean for the houses that are there now. And so his water and the water there, I mean, it's just going to be an issue. And I wish you guys would think about it because you know the issues that we had after that big storm. And I've seen it running from one development that's not even, I don't even think you've annexed it yet in two floor to shores into like on 35th Avenue. So it's already going there between two houses. Thank you. Thank you for your comment. Chuck Martin, two or five, Charlie Woodland. You know, obviously my concerns or everybody else's concerns, you know, eventually that what's already there, we know where that water's going to go. Mr. Mayor, you witnessed it firsthand when your grandmother was carried out of her bedroom window. but I think here at the end of the day, there's a lot to consider. Yeah, of course, the schools, we always hear that, but the strain put on our water and our sewers, and we're having to upgrade those the strain put on our water and our sewers. And we're having to upgrade those, and it's a great expense, and I think that's gonna be brought up here, but I'd like some clarification on the, and when I get done here, I'd like to hear that maybe just impact fees. Basically, on the average house that's being built there now off of Alco Road. You know, is it 10,000, 20,000, 30,000? I mean, I don't know. Obviously, we can't stop the growth, but I think we could slow it down enough to where our storm sewer systems can catch up as far as I'm concerned. We're 20 years behind. I see places that need ditches. I mean, mango tree drive. The shoulders are higher than the road. It's everywhere. We don't have the resources. And I mean, we need to dig ditches everywhere. And we need money to do that with, I think we're way behind on that. But I think if we looked at a higher impact fee for the people that are moving in and buying these homes would help, you know, soften the blow for our water and our sewer systems that are taking a beating right now, you know. And, uh, I know that you're doing the best you can, you know, for the city or for the residents and it's a tough juggling act. I know it is. I could only imagine. You guys are in a hot seat. It's been a hot seat this year for you guys. You know, and you got to make some tough decisions on what you think is best and and and it's tough but I don't know. I think if I think if I was sitting up there be okay $100,000 home impact fee built us to school and then we'll talk about it. Thank you for your comment please know public participation. Sorry I'm just getting out here just I'm Mike my Collins, the 322 War, Mr. Palm. You know, I think I speak for a lot of us here. We're concerned about the massive growth that's happening. You know, you grow too fast, and you'll break yourself. I used to be a crane operator for Bryson Crane. I did a ton of work at the Water Treatment Plan here. And the guys there, every time I talk to them, they're like, they're talking about how they're underpaid and they don't have the resources to keep up with the extra flow of water because it's not just our, they're getting all the storm water, everything. I mean, it's like they're getting so much and I think we need to put more money towards you know, infrastructure stuff is going to take care of the growth. Like, I'm all for this guy, developing his thing and making money and I'm all about that. And he has a great, a good plan to keep that sponge alive still here with leading the wetlands along. But at the same time, when he has slowed this growth down a little bit in this little town, one of the reasons that Brahmi here was Edgewater was a great little town. And you know, something about those small towns are really nice. And I'd like to keep it that way. I think a lot of people here would like that as well. I think the main concern is, there's so much to growth. It's just, are we growing too fast for the infrastructure that we have? Because I'm going to agree with you with this nice lady right here. All those subdivisions are being built are way higher. You don't even have to have like a, you know, the right tools to see that. You can see they're much higher than floor shores and all that stuff's going somewhere. And I think these subdivisions should be responsible for holding their own water and for like pumping out their own water. I mean, they need to retain all their own stuff. And we need to better ditches and better drainage system for this town or we're gonna end up flooding again. I mean, that's just the way it is, I think. But I think we should slow the growth down. I think impact fees are a great way to do that. You increase the impact fees, those people can help for that infrastructure and that's so important, I think. Keep our infrastructure strong for this kind of growth. But I'm not against growth completely. I'm just, we need to do it in a slower pace. And I think most people agree with that, but maybe wrong. I don't know. Thank you for your comment. Please know public participation. David Bothwell 2924, Comquant, right? One thing that they could look at possibly is to install lift stations. The stations take water and they replace to other areas. So if you get some kind of list station study or some kind of thing like that to pump the water out of the lower areas, possibly around the road, the valve-crow-roader, whatever it is that you're building on, pump that water out so that it will be away. You know, just like a list station is sewer, it's going to take that water away. So possibly raising the impact fees is a thing, but have them liable for installing the pumps and getting the water removed from the area. Fortunately, my house did not flood the big storm, but two blocks down the road was underwater. So I've seen the devastation that happened. So, and I am concerned with all the citizens here and that. So possibly a lift station or some kind of pumping system to remove the water out, either deliver it to the river or whatever the impact fee is on that is obviously going to be huge because you've got the oil and everything else in the ground. So that's just my comment. Possibly have them look at a lift station and bring that to the city to approve through building department of code enforcement. Thank you for your comment. Hi, I'm a sad. She said by 60. I just like to ask you a question. Do you have the 20% of the 20% address the council little council and maybe you'd know this question at the 20% at the 100% that is actually being built on how many homes are being built on it? Do you know offing you have that number? That's why yes this gentleman. I Don't want to go out of line, but I feel he might have it. 176 is the maximum number of units in this subdivision. And just for the record, I'm not the developer, the development services director. Okay. thank you. Thank you. I'm Gina Holt, 1798, Hideaway Lane, and I want to beat that horse a little bit more. I don't understand why these projects have to be so humongous. There is a catastrophic impact on the environment and building it up just places that water onto the neighbors. We see it in every other development. I have to tell you there's two things, one, Portofino Reserve, Indonesian Bay. We don't know what's causing the flooding, but these people are just stuck with it. It's the flawed model of development, rape and scrape, fill and build, and let all the neighbors handle the runoff. Now I read in the paper today that the city of Hernando is having to discharge. I don't know how many millions of gallons a day of their sewage into one of the rivers over there because of all the rain they had, they cannot keep up. Their sewer treatment plans are overflowing, and they stated the place is growing too fast. There's too much development, there's too much intense development in places that don't belong to be developed. I don't know why we need such big monstrous developments, but the model of development is flawed. I'm going to keep beating that horse until somebody just stops permitting these developments. Thank you. Thank you for your follow. Thank you. Thank you. For the record again, my name is Cory Brown. I was a torch law firm for 20 stuff. River River, D 10 a beach. We've always got a lot of people that are concerned about this. I wanted to make it a little points. I think you know a project like this where you've got 80% that's being open space. You've got a lot of wetland areas and water areas for this water to go in case of flooding. If you're going to do a project the right way, I think this is a good example of one. It is a lot of homes, but it's on a large piece of property and the city is adopted this new storm water standards and this meets all those standards. So you're putting in place new standards to try to get projects to be better, and this does that. So if you have any other questions or concerns, I'm happy to try to answer them, but when I look at, the things that I do, am I willing to work and look at this project, this one isn't really good one. This one really hits all the points about storm water and preserving natural areas in open space. So I urge you to approve it. Thank you. I'm Tom Holt 1798, Hyde Way Lane. To address the building and the that we're gonna hold all our water. Well, that's not gonna happen where we live, especially where this new project is going is a wetlands and you put your retention ponds in. Got all this big ideas that they're all gonna just hold all the water. Well, they don't drain. We're in a swamp. These ponds stay full year round. I have a pond in my yard property. I live there for 20 years. It's never going to dry. They always stay wet. So these ponds that they engineer can only hold so much water. And what's going to happen, there's an outfall. The outfall is going to go somewhere. And generally it's going to make its way to the people that are surrounded. A lot of these properties are part of a whole hydrological area that all the water sits. Well now you build this big island right here. All the water used to sit here now is going to be over here. Yeah, it's going to maybe hold some of the rain that goes on top of it. But what about all the water that used to sit there and tell it all went away? These projects don't address that. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Council comments. No, well this is something that I want to bring up. I know it's close to public comment for this now, but it will be on. We are still on. We're on the comprehend we are still on still on them and then we got to move to him correct? Yes, so for I just want to throw this out there please if this is an item that you are concerned about People will speak on it when it comes to the next part of public comment I know there's a lot of people here and there's a lot of people clapping and It's if that's an item you're concerned about I would like to hear what you have to say on it. And so other people can hear what you have to say on it, because a lot of people spoke up online, said they were coming to this meeting. But when people just come and sit and don't speak, and there's only a couple people talking, nobody knows what everybody's here for. So I just wanted to put that out there, but please, when it comes up again, if this is an issue of concern for you to please speak up. I would love to hear more people speak on the matter. So thank you. Just to address a couple of items, the impact fees. Obviously, we just significantly increased impact fees just earlier in the meeting. Correct. So in the earlier part of the hearing, we did raise sewer and water impact fees fairly substantially. And again, the state regulates us and sort of holds our hand on how often, how high we can increase. So the state legislation likes to put a lot of rules in place for municipalities and that's one of those things that we sort of have to follow. But when we're able to increase, we have taken that opportunity to do that. In terms of our updated stormwater code, can you speak to the retention that's in this plan that's supposed to remain on site? So as far as what they have designed, well, maybe I should let the applicant. For what they have designed based on the conceptual plan, so they had projected 39.3% or 43.81 acres of the subject property would have to be ponds, stormwater detention ponds. Most likely we'll have to use both wet and dry ponds due to the nature of the surrounding wetlands. The design is to retain all of it. Correct. And so when they come in for if approved for the entitlements that was that are being discussed night during preliminary plot They'll submit construction plans and all that will have to be engineered who will be reviewed by our third party engineer That they'll pay escrow for they'll be reviewed by the city engineer To meet compliance with the storm water standards that we adopted earlier this year. Okay. I had another question just as a point that Mr. Martin brought up about as far as the schools. I know with schools that a lot of that is based on the county level we've got to have 750 extra kids before they will build a school. Are we able for the county level, we've got to have 750 extra kids before they will build a school. Are we able to, well, the county will build a school? But are we able to hold it, I mean, I don't know if that's something, can we force a developer to build one? Is that something that we early goalie able to do? I would say that's what the population answered. I didn't know if something we can do. Typically no. Now on a large master plan community, yes, you could, based on regional impact on something of this size. There wouldn't be a, especially in a PUD agreement, there wouldn't be a logical basis for extracting that amount from a device. Well, did not fit this project specifically, but I was just questioning on a broad scale in general, if that's something that we could look at in the future. I don't think that's what I'm saying. You can. I just don't know if we legally could do that. In my opinion, yes you could. It would also depend on the scale and the rational basis for which. And typically it would be a negotiation between the school ward and that developer who would typically then dedicate land or help contribute to building that school because at a certain point when the schools run out of capacity based on the school board's calculation, so the city of Edgwater does not calculate that. Once the school board determines that the capacity of each of their school's middle elementary high school are full, then they charge the developers the true cost of the seat to build that school. So for example, when I was in Lake County, it was $34,000 for the true cost to put a student in a seat at the school when they were at a capacity for high school. And so that only comes into play when capacity is completely full. I appreciate that. But I also get guests from other people who are listening, who wanted to throw that out there out loud that that is a school board thing. I've got four kids in the school system. I would love to see more schools. There is a lot of overcrowding, but that is at a school board level. And they require so many even more kids which don't get me wrong. I hate it. It's got to be overflowed for X amount of time and they have to have so many extra kids before they will move forward with building. So I just wanted that to be stated for those listening. I would love for us to build schools but that's our hands are tied on that one but I wanted to elaborate on that other point that was brought up. So thank you. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but we've already closed public comment. What's that? I'm sorry, sir, but we've already closed public comment. Well, at Citizen's Commons, we took a pause for five seconds, five to seven seconds, I count every time and then we went to council comments. Everybody walked up. I was one to answer some of your questions or try to about the storm water. Is applicant? I'm a little bit of a disadvantage here to try to answer some of these. I don't have a site engineer. I've got some numbers that are in the staff report about 100 year storms. And I know that some of these pieces have to fully retain a 100 year storm event on site. But I, if we, I can potentially get some of these questions store event on site. But you know I If we I can potentially you know get some of these questions to an engineer to give you better answers I don't like not being able to give you a clear answer on this question So if you'd like me to do that I can try to bring aside engineer second reading talk to mr. Posey information That would be appreciated. Okay. Thank you. Closed to public hearing. Is there a motion to approve? Make a motion to approve ordinance 2024-0-40. Roll call. Councilwoman Dabbo. Yes. Councilman Powers. Yes. Mayor DePue. No. Councilwoman Gillis. No. Councilwoman Bennington. Yes. First reading, ordinance number 2024-0-41. Requests for rezoning of 115 plus acres of land east of Volko road from Volusia County agriculture and resource quarter. To the city of Edgewater residential plan unit development, please read into the record. from Volusia County A2 agriculture and RC resource quarter to our PUD residential planning development for 115 plus of minus 8, goes to several property, located east of Alcoa Road and south of Edgwater Preserve Phase 3, 4 and 5. Many officials already met with the city of Edgwater providing for a complete of the provisions in several buildings and providing for an effective day recording and adoption. Staff report. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Staff do not have any additional information at this time, I'll be happy to go into detail of the planned unit development agreement. Council has any questions. Thank you. Open to public hearing. Citizens comments? Jeff Martin to a five-chair woodland. So I didn't get any answers on a number amount for the average home that's going in, that's being built over there, say $350,000 home, how much is the impact fee on that home now and how much is allowed by law? We need some numbers. Do you answer Mr. Merton's question roughly right right now it's about 17,000 and just city impact. Just in city impact. There's county impact. Her home. Thank you. Mary and Zerniac. 1750. Persemin circle. I'm Mary Ann Zerniac. I'm 1750 Persimmon Circle. I just have a practical question here. What influence can we possibly have over what you're going to do? There's a lot of people here hoping for, I think, a slowing down of what you guys have planned. And there seems to be three yeses in a no on everything here, regardless of the concerns voiced and the negative atmosphere from a lot of the attendees here. From a practical standpoint, what can we do to slow this down or shelving it entirely? Thank you for your comment. We listen. That's a question. Thank you for your comment. We listen to each and every one of them. Him long 3312 mango tree edgewater. There's a lot of people here. I sure wish you guys and get up and speak to the council. A hundred year flood was just mentioned. Less than a year ago we had a hundred year flood. If you think it's not going to happen for another hundred years you're wrong. He's going to save a lot of land on this development only develop a little over 20 acres. I think it's a great idea. What I want to know from the builder is, are you going to tear all the trees that are there out? Because as soon as you tear the tree out and get rid of those roots and you come in and at the house you plant this little old thing about that big round that's five foot tall. You lose all the water absorption that you had. Those are wetlands out there. They have been wetlands and they will remain wetlands no matter what you build on it. Those are wetlands. If this development is going to get approved by the council I think they should have to retain every drop of water that falls on it every drop. Thank is. They do. They have to. Thank you for your comment. Please no crowd participation. Councilman, Mr. Chairman, Tadesky, 3321, true drive. You speak into the microcosm. So during Ian, I physically walked outside, and you could see the water pouring in from this development that not even the one we're talking about. The one that's already being put out there poured in to Florida shores as my neighbors were flooded and their lives were destroyed. And still no solutions. We have a grand master plan that we keep hearing about, but we haven't seen anything in action other than some ditches being cleaned out. And if you guys think that's what's going to resolve this issue of tearing down our watershed that's been there for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years, you got another thing coming. We got another flood coming. We haven't dealt with anything like this before and we just keep building and drive around and visibly see that every development is built up higher than their neighbor. Where's all that water going to go? Into their little ponds, they keep talking about how 80% of this is going to be wetlands. So you're going to put 176 houses on 20% of 150 acres. So how big are those lots? Those neighbors are going to be riding up each other's asses. And we're just going to vote it past three. Three of you. Every time you guys may as well hold hands together while you're doing it. All three of you should be ashamed of yourselves. I've been here for 40 years and never seen anything like this in my life And yet we just keep passing it keep passing it and I frankly I think the three of you should be ashamed of yourselves and hopefully we vote correctly during the next election The last thing I wanted to do was to talk to me. Last, I didn't want to talk. Please say your name and address. My name is Jerry Conn. I'm in 509 Lafko Kena. I think there's a compromise here. Why don't you just tell a developer to put in half the amount of houses that make the lots twice as bigger, increase the value of the homes and improve the neighborhood. You're not going to be able to have all that traffic going around vocal road. Why don't you just tell the developer, put in half the amount of houses on the lots, increase the value of the homes, increase the value of the neighborhood. It's a compromise. Thank you for your comments. Jerry Weissman, 2038-30-Earns-Tree. I'd like to know, there's all our plumbing, cable-bore handling, all these new houses. We have the water system to provide them with all this water. When they built the shores, they didn't add all this sewage that we're getting from all these other developments. Has anybody checked in at that? Or the animals that they just send them everywhere? Does anybody care anymore? We need something done. With the flood in the cell. Thank you for your call. Thank you, folks. Gina Holt, 1798, how do I land? I am totally opposed to taking agricultural and conservation lands and putting this sort of an intense use on them. These projects do not hold their own water. They displace water onto the neighbors. Beating that horse. I love Mr. Cahn's idea. Why do they have to be so big? Why can't we have smaller developments that are more responsible to the land and the people that already live here? Why are we bending over backwards to please developers from out of town? They don't live here, they don't have a stake in the community. I'd like to see you respect that. Thank you. Thank you for your comment. Sarah, how egg 436, sandpaper court, in regards to the animals, what are we doing about the coyote problem that this is going to increase? The fact that we're having to worry about our children outside or animals outside Anything else in this aspect, but you're taking away the homes the major the core as a coyotes foxes rabbits everything else that keeps our ecological system in line Is there anything that all that we're going to be even looking into this aside from the flooding problems that you're going to create? What about the animals that you're displacing? Is anything at all will be changed? Are we even going to remotely look into trapping a release in somewhere else? Are we even going to remotely look into the fact that we are taking away natural habitats, which will push them in and then encloser our cities? What are we going to do to protect our citizens from the danger that you're releasing into our area? Thank you for your comment. Thank you. Celeste Voglin, 1752, Persimmon Circle. I am totally opposed to the change of agricultural to residential, especially on the corner of Mission Road N442. That is all wetlands on the corner of Mission Road and 442. That is all wetlands on the corner there. I move to your additional item after this one. If you'd like to speak on that, then the time is before the council. Okay. Thank you. Are there any further citizens comments. David, 1015 Registry. It is my understanding that the Edgewater Preserve Phase 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 was approved by a previous city council about a decade ago. Is that the development that's out there, that's causing the flooding to Edgewater floor to shores at the moment is the one that everybody is really concerned about. And it was approved and it is already in the works from previous city councils. The original phase was yes. The original phase was. So and the phase three, four, and five were approved prior to the new flooding ordinances. And now there's current developer who is abiding by the new flooding ordinances. And now this current developer who is abiding by the new flooding ordinances and who has a very low density on this massive amount of property is now paying the price because of the concerns for the developments that are going in currently. There has to be something that can be done about phase three, 4, and 5 that will alleviate the concern of the citizenry for the flooding because they were pre-2024 flooding, zoning, flooding ordinances. So something needs to be done to address those phases so that developments like this, which are allowing for a lot of green space and water retention, aren't going to be so severely opposed in the sense that it is being opposed right now because of another development. Thank you for your comment. Say no further citizens comments, council comments. I just like to reiterate again that this this development is being developed in a good way compared to past developments. In fact, they're leaving 80% green. I'm very happy with that. So I feel good about my decision. Now, in that less than 20% is going to be built upon. That's all. I have to agree with you on that one. I just, my concerns are coming from a point this may be a better project than most but at what point do we start slowing it down? It's there's we've already got 12,000 homes that are approved and most of those by prior councils I've not even been here two years and most of them were over 11,000 before I creeped up on 12. So I mean that is stuff that's already approved. At what point do we let some of those things start getting built so we can see what needs to be taken care of in a dress before we keep moving forward with more of this? There's just because, I don't know, just because it's a better project than most doesn't still mean it's a good idea. Seeing no further comments is their motion to approve? Make a motion to approve ordinance number 2024-041. Roll call. Councilwoman Dalbo. Yes. Councilman Powers. Yes. Mayor DePue. No. Councilwoman Gillis. No. Councilwoman Bennington. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Madam. Madam. Madam. Madam. Madam. Madam. Madam. Madam. Item 8 and please no public participation Mr. Mayor. Item. Can we take a break? No, we need to go please. We'll take a recess and we will recavee in at 820. 824. Okay item eight oh first reading or in this number 2024 dash oh dash 43 requests for rezoning 42 plus acres from county a three transitional agriculture of the city BPUD business plan unit development for 42 plus acres located at 3145 and 3149 and 319 West Indian River Boulevard near the coral trace. Please read into the record. On December 2024, I showed as 43 in order to screen in the change in zoning classification from county A3 transitional agriculture to city B. PUD, business planning and development for 42.8 plus among the state goes to several property. We're located at 3145 West Indian River Boulevard 3149 West Indian River Boulevard and 3199 West Indian River Boulevard, partial ID numbers, 843-802-000-020-843-802-000-010 and 843-802-000-011-0 Edgewater Florida, many individuals only met with city of Edgewater provided for conflicting provisions, severability and a prohibitive by the effective date we've poured in in the adoption. Thank you, staff report. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. There are requests before you as a rezoning of 42 plus or minus acres from County A3 transitional agriculture to city business planned unit development. So the property has a future land use designation of mixed use. This was assigned during the coral trace subdivision when that was entitled. The property is well-c created within the interlocal service boundary agreement. It is within the city of Edgewater. The county A3 transitional agriculture was never changed at the time of the coral trace subdivision when the future land use was assigned. The development is proposing an assisted living, independent living, single story rental, built to rent villas, memory care facility, urgent care, and professional medical offices with a health care facility and skilled rehabilitation. The proposed development addresses the needs not only for elderly care within the city, but also the need for an emergency room medical office on the western side of the city. Planned unit development designation is a conditional zoning district intended to provide flexible approach for you unique and innovative land development proposals that could not be accomplished under conventional zoning. The future land use designation, which is mixed use, allows for commercial zoning, mixed use, planned unit development zoning, business PUD zoning. The request before you is this business planned unit development. Phase one has independent living, 272 independent living apartments and 45 billas. The overall setback within phase one is 75 feet from SR442, 75 feet from Quarrel Trace Boulevard, and 250 feet from the Quarrel Trace subdivision. So that setback is for the independent living. Within 250 feet of coral trace, the property will have to adhere to a 35 foot maximum height standard. In addition, it is the developer is providing a minimum landscape buffer of 30 feet and width on the rear of the property adjacent to coral trace, which consists of one canopy tree for 50 linear feet, two understory trees for 20 linear feet and 60 shrubs for 100 linear feet, which is about, it's roughly a thousand linear feet on the rear property line. Phase two has the memory care, which is shown in pink there, and assisted living facility. It's allowed a maximum of 169 beds. This has a maximum building height of 50 feet. This state road 442 setback is 75 feet in the northern property line building setback is 75 feet in adjacent phase building setback is 75 feet. There's also a natural landscape buffer that's on the northern frame of the property which runs along phase two and phase three. This natural landscape buffer cannot be cleared. And staff is welcome to go into any more information regarding the business plan unit development agreement. I know that the applicant and developers in the audience as well. Thank you. Open to public hearing. So this is comments. Chuck Martin, two or five of Cherry Wood Lane. Let's get the party started. Been here since I was four years old, been all over that property. It's a huge, huge water retention area right now. It's flooded as we speak. And I want to correct the council on something that was stated earlier. These new subdivisions do not hold their own water. The mayor and I have toured quite a few of them. They have over overflow spilled ways Just like majestic oaks and the new one that is built right at the south end of air park road has a spillway Goes into the canal and dumps right in the source for all these people So now they don't hold their own water. They got overflow spillways all of them do So if you don't believe me, I'll drive you out there, John. Would that be in said, absolutely, this is the, this is a chance for you guys to do the right thing here now. Okay, this is on us. It's in the city. That's a huge, huge wetland holds a lot of water. There's poor people, are magnolia village. If this is, they've already flooded before. If this is built, there's nowhere for that water to go. No where except for in their houses. And there's a lot of elderly people that live there. It's a 55 plus community. You will absolutely destroy this subdivision. There is nowhere for that water to go. I work for public works back in the 90s and I've been through there and we've scraped it and scraped it and trying to get all the ditches we could in there, but that is just a wet one. The water can't get there's nowhere for it to go. When you get a halfway decent rain, it puddles up right there on a corner before that and the people you got to put signs up there. The water comes across the road as it is. This is the one chance to do the right thing and say, yeah, this is great, but not there. Not there, maybe on a sandwich somewhere else, but or another town, but or maybe on the west side over there, you know, a 95. For God's sake, not here. This is, and this isn't about being reelected again. It's about doing the right thing for the people. Please no public participation. This is not going to benefit the city of Edgewater one bed. It's not. It's not going to do it. You can't destroy this habitat and these wetlands out here. Not this one. You guys are a full controller with this. I urge you to do the right thing. Thank you for your comment. Please note public participation. Mark Bellos, 639, Carl Trace Boulevard. Yeah, I feel that what I've heard, I don't have to done my full research, but isn't he supposed to only go three stories? You can't go four stories because the ordinance and that the fire chief I don't think he has a ladder truck tall enough So we're getting one yet it costs like two million And who's gonna pay for that is it us with a federal government? Okay, okay, I'm glad I did. So should we get the fire station set first on our side of the tracks? Because if anything starts up on fire in that place, the fire trucks are on the other side. And it's not one that's tall enough. I know this is a long project. It's going to take five years and an estimate talking with Joe. That's a lot of racket for a quiet, quarrel-trace to hear every single day, like, eh, grinding noise, drilling noise, diesel engines coming in and off. And if they do, if you do happen to pass it, can they have an ordinance where they can't comment until after six o'clock and leave by three? You have some peace to quarrel-trace. I'm going to be working on the right. I'm going to be working on the right. I'm going to be working on the right. I'm going to be working on the right. I'm going to be working on the right. I'm going to be working on the right. I'm going to be working on the right. I'm going to be just worth nothing when this thing starts. And the tree line, it's so beautiful, you guys should walk it. It's like six, seven blocks, is it? And if they take that out and put a building there, there is nowhere for the water to go. Most of our water, like I went to a meeting two weeks ago, I wasn't you guys, but the building commissioner or something, but I'm talked with them and the, I lost my train of thought. And a lot of our water could be 30, 40% of our water that goes in that lot right now. I know it's our problem right but it goes in that it sinks, it soaks in. You take that weight, there's nothing to soak it. People blow us, we'll be wiped out. Thanks. Yes, second. Have a note. Mayor Counsel Good evening, John McKinney, resident of Coral Trace. I've lived in Coral Trace for over 14 years in that familiarity with this area for longer than that. And all of the hurricanes and heavy rains none of the ponds have topped and gone into the county system Coral trace is not tied into the city's Retainment system or convey its system What you required for stormwater for coral trace retention has worked this project in my mind has the following benefits, compatible and complimentary use to the adjacent properties compared to a gas station or fast food restaurants. This will have minimal traffic impact based on the potential residents of the community, minimal sound and light pollution compared to the alternatives. This will also complement the future municipal complex plan for across the street on 442. The coral trace stormwater and as a reminder, the coral trace stormwater was designed for future development in front of our neighborhood. So with all the changes stormwater requirements for new developments, the developer will be required to build with even more stringent, stormwater requirements. This development will add up to 500 above minimum wage jobs. No impact to our schools and an increase to your your ad valour proceeds of about a million dollars a year between ad valour and state revenue. I knew how to do this. This would be a very positive impact to the coral trace residents also and their taxable value versus a rush-cron gas station. I could name some areas within the county that this has occurred and I'd be more than happy to show the negative impact. This is a positive impact. As I've stated to some of you years ago in my former capacity for edgewater, we just needed one developer to come in to edgewater and make the initial investment at the 95442 interchange. And this is that development that is needed in this area and will have a positive impact all the Vegewater Mayor and Council I ask you Do you want a Grenada Boulevard or do you want an ISB? I? personally prefer Grenada Finally development will come today or in the future and I cannot think of a better development that would prevent you from approving this ordinance this evening. I'm at my capacity today. Have a good evening. Thank you. Thank you for your follow. Please no public participation. My name is Jerry Con 509 La Cquina. I own the property across the street five acres zone commercial. I think this is a positive impact for the community. It is not a wetland. It will gentrify the community. It will bring up the property values. I'm sorry for the people in Hydeway lane or whatever it's called, but that's low land anyway. This is not going to put one table spoons worth of water on their property. And people that complain that it's being built, well things get built. How are you going to enter the city? What is it going to look like? Is it going to look like every other city you enter into with strip malls and whatever? This is a positive impact. It brings up the values. It sets the tone for the community. It's a destination and it will help us. Please no public participation. Kim Long, 3312 mango tree and edgewater. It does look like a positive development to me, but maybe not right there. I don't know if it's what lands or not the first gentleman that spoke seem to Have walked the property understand some on the council have walked the property and I'm sorry if I'm boring some of you council members you look a little ticked off, but I want to know if you thought about this 272 apartments 42 villas all dumping traffic right there. It might be a small amount of an issue. Then you're going to have an assisted living, a health care, a memory care, plus a urgent care, I believe, he said, where are you going to get the employees? And if you get the employees, where are they going to live? There's no affordable housing in this town. I brought up the subject before of smaller homes and asked that you change the ordinance so we can build 7 and 800 square foot homes where people could afford to live them. They're going to work in places like this. But we don't have any place to put the workers that would work in a place like this. And so therefore, I suggest you vote it down. Thank you for your call, folks. Please no public participation. My name is Patricia Chibo. I live in Magnolia Village at 1771 for Semin Circle. I'm here just to say I totally oppose this. Just for so many reasons that have already been stated and I want to ask each and every one of you, if your parents lived there, would you approve it? Thank you for your comment. The last vote went 1752 percent on circle. I moved here in July of 22 two months before the storm. And it took three days for me to be able to get down Mission Road to even see if my house was underwater. Mission Road was completely flooded all the way down the road. Now they're building on the north end of the road, they're building townhouses. They've elevated that property to the point where all of that runoff is gonna come off onto mission road. And in the first place, I think that the corner there on 442 is county land, is it not? Isn't that county property? And somebody answer me. Oh, that's a city man. No, I don't know. I don't know. I think it's county property, but in any case, changing that from agricultural to residential is totally bad idea. It's swampland, whatever happened to green space, does every inch have to be paved over? It does not have to be developed. It's swampland, and it should not be developed. That water is going to go on to mission road. Our only way out now on mission road is to go towards 95 because of the building on the north end. And if you develop that end of the road, we are not going to be able to get out to 95 to go to work. So I urge you to think about what you're doing and vote this down. Thank you for your comment. APPLAUSE Good evening. Good evening. My name is Patrick Fisher. I live at 2100 airport road. I strongly object to this request for reasons in addition to the flooding concerns. I'm object to this request for reasons in addition to the flooding concerns, the own planning and zoning board voted against it and voted to send an unfavorable recommendation to this council. First, rezoning from AG to BPUD represents a significant departure from the current character of this area. These parcels are surrounded by agricultural conservation and wetland properties. Resoning here would set a dangerous precedent for further commercial encroachment in neighboring agricultural and conservation areas and transform what is currently a peaceful scenic part of Lucia County and edgewater into a sprawling commercial corridor. Second, the wetlands flow in this area is not equipped to handle commercial activity that PUD zoning would allow. During the PNZ meeting on 612, Mr. Solstice acknowledged that groundwater, stormwater flows south from north of Old Mission Road to Oak Hill and that when state road 4442 was improved, culverts were placed incorrectly, impeding the natural flow of water. He added that this is an F-dot issue. So if we know there's an issue here, you can't just ignore it, blame it on the state and continue to develop on this corner, this intersection, and this corner. Adding more stormwater issues, more traffic, more people in the area without some real viable changes would be reckless. In June of this year, the Lusha County Council proved a purchase of 2,500 plus acres of environmentally sensitive land just south of state road 442 at a cost of $4.7 million. Resonting any parcels here, north or south of 442 in this area directly opposes the preservation of this hydrological corridor by the Lusha County and the St. John's Water Management District. Finally, I would emphasize the community's opposition to this request and the egregious development of environmentally sensitive land within Volusia County and the city of Edgewater. Disregarding the voices of those who are most affected by this change undermines the principles of community driven development that should guide city planning. I ask that you prioritize the protection of these natural resources and not allow to be paved over for the sake of economic development. Thank you. Thank you for your comment. I believe the applicant is present. Would you like to say anything? Good evening, Councilor Mayor. Thank you for listening to us. My name is Joe Bern from 401 A1A. I'd like to beach Florida. Joe Jasmine, 727 Abbey, Mist Drive, St. John's, Florida. Two of the three owners at the principles that will be owning and operating this facility. I would like to thank the board for taking the time to do it just like the pollution county economic board listened to us. And we're very fired up on more quality jobs coming to your community. I don't know if it's going to hit 500, but it shall be over 400 quality paying jobs and nurses, doctors, the facilitators on that. Also, we're not going to put any kids in your school system. That's a positive. All our units are going on. Nobody's going to touch the school system as far as that goes. Traffic. 80% of our 70% of our people don't even drive. That's why we have transportation set up with them on buses. We tried to be community friendly with the neighborhood and I'd like to thank a coral trace HOA and Cole and Joe for the board members and I like to thank the people for coming out to their community service that we held on their facility and inputting their input and we're trying to cooperate and be community developers. That's what we do. We try to give back to communities not take out of. Please no public participation. Once again we all have mothers and fathers and we need to put them someplace. This is a place I could go to. This is a place that does. Please no public participation. The main component of this project is really based upon a need that exists not only here in the state of Florida. Please no public participation. But within the United States of America, we have 25 million seniors today that cannot afford the high-end luxury senior living communities that are out there right now. And we have figured out a way to create a beautiful luxury community that will allow 75 to 80 percent of the 25 million people to afford to live here, which gives them the opportunity to not live in a place that is broken down, that is not clean, that is not safe, that we're allowed them to live in a safe space. We looked at this market and thought that it was a perfect opportunity for us to help seniors and provide great paying jobs in this community, upwards of 50 to 75 jobs that will pay over $100,000 a year. Jobs that will allow people to get a step up instead of a handout and really improve the community by bringing additional tax dollars, but also honoring those seniors that have worked their lives as retired firemen, retired police officers, retired school teachers who today can't afford to live in a senior living that you'd want to send your loved one to. I've seen lots of them over the course of my career here in many in the state of Florida that I wouldn't want my worst enemy to go to. And imagine telling a school teacher or a firefighter or a police officer, you know, you did a good job. You worked a long career. However, you just didn't make enough. So we're gonna have to have you spend your money and put you on Medicaid. I will never do that. I will honor the seniors like I honor my mother, which is why I do this in senior living to make sure that we have a location. So these people can thrive and live the life that they deserve, that they've earned. The public servants have put their lives on the line for us. That's what this is about. Please note public participation. Please note public participation. Final warm-up warning. Please note public participation until citizens comments. Thank you for listening. My Collins 30. I got a thing. I just 32 for this. This is a palm and that's water. I don't think us as a community saying that you're idea the bad idea. Like we all want to help our senior citizens. We all have parents or aging. All that's important to us. I think what we're saying is that we don't want to build there. I'm all for more jobs coming to this community. I'm all for that. I'm very conservative in my values. I love job development for people because it feeds families and it helps people get things they need. But I would think our problem is where it's being built. It sounds to me, I haven't been to that area but it's pretty wetland area. And with all the flooding that's happening in the recent past, I think that's a large portion of why we're having the problem. It's because we're basically ripping up our sponge. And if you take the sponge out, the water's not going anywhere. And it's going to go right into our homes. And so I think that's the issue. It's not so much so we hate development. Because I'm not against development. I think we need to do it in proper timing. And I'm not an engineer. I don't know all the logistics of how that works. But as a regular citizen, I just know that it's a problem right now. We need to slow it down. And I think, I think, as you're describing, it sounds like a great place. It's just I think it should be some more different than that location. I would love to see it in our community, but just not in that location. So I think we need to think about locations. I mean, what about buying up our redeveloped land? I don't know, and putting that there. So it's already figured that the drain is just already there. I just think we need to slow down this development in our neighborhoods, because we're gonna end up destroying this beautiful area. Because I'm not even a tree hugger. Okay, I'm not an environmentalist or anything, but I love Pataborne. I love our community. It's such a beautiful place to live. And we need to bring jobs here, but we need to do a right to how you win matters. And that's all I would say. Thank you for your comment. Hi, my name is Vicki Blackburn. I live in Magnolia Village, a 55-plus community, which is a senior community. I would just like to say that no amount of benefits that this may bring is worth people losing their livelihood, their homes, everything they own. That is something to consider. We saw that. We lived here two years, not even a year, and we had two hurricanes. And I saw the people that lived in Florida shores and all of their belongings out on the street from the water. If you haven't been through that, then you don't know what that is like. And you don't want that to happen to other people. And we feel in our magnolia village that if this is built on mission road, that that is not the correct place to do it, that is going to hurt our community and we're afraid that we are going to flood and from everything I have heard from others, I believe that to be true. So please reconsider. Thank you for your comment. Please no pause. There are insurny acts, 1750 per semen circle, a couple of points, green space. I don't see any allowance for green space up there. It's paved over or there's a high rise there. Mission Road has gotten a lot busier in the last few years because of all the development on Mission Road itself. And in the process, and somebody can't seem to explain how, the water in our Magnolia Village is become very unpleasant. We have an aquifer problem, I believe. Probably from the development that's already gone on on Mission Road. We don't need anymore. Right across the street from where Magnolia Village is, it's literally a swamp. If that doesn't drain, nothing in Magn cases, houses. It's not, it doesn't seem appropriate that you guys are able to make a decision over which we have no right to even elect you. We're in the non-incorporated portion of Edgewater. Yeah, you guys in the city council are making the decisions that are gonna affect our living, our property, and our homes we've taken great care. It's time you guys took a step back. Look at other possible places to move that you guys you can't say luxury housing and affordable housing at the same time what you're putting in there is not going to be available to people like us we're not going to be able to afford it there's other places in Edgewater all the way down route one in either direction from here. You can find plenty of places to put things up and you won't be taking down how is it it? Muckin around with somebody's drainage. You can deal with the cement that's already there. We won't even have to clear out trees in many of those places. And live in Edgewater City. Don't go messing more of the countryside. Thank you for your comment. Kim Long, 3312 mango tree. She stole some of my thunder, luxury and affordable. I don't think it's happening. I have a 95 year old mother who lives with me. The minimum, the minimum to get her into a care center is gonna be 5,000 a month. That doesn't include the additional charges. So I have three questions for these gentlemen, and I like their proposal. I'd like it down on US one somewhere. What do they consider affordable? Why do they say that 272 apartments in 42 villas are not gonna have cars? What are these all 90 year old people that gave up their driver's license? And third, $100,000 for this kind of care is not what I'm seeing people are getting now because I have caregivers coming to my house. I know what the pay scale is. So they're going to be tripling what people are already making here and I'm just wondering if what they're telling us is the honest to God truth. Thank you. Thank you for your call. Please no pause. You should be well, Magno, your village. Have a question. Have you even come to our park? Please address the council. Well, I'm inviting them to just come through our park and see they're so concerned about senior citizens. We're all senior citizens there. 196 homes. It's a beautiful park well kept and we take a lot of pride and it come through and see what you'll be doing to our park with all this water that's gonna just flood right through once you put your lovely development in. Thank you for your comment. Please help us. I'm sorry. Thank you. Chairman Tadesky, Hello, Council of 3320, I'm true drive. I just urge Council, just take a minute. Take a step back. Think about responsible growth. That's the key work, responsible growth. We don't have to approve everything that comes before you. You're allowed to say no. That's why you're there for that's why you're elected. We just keep approving all these things and not taking a step back and looking at the issues that were all faced in all of us. Between the roads, between the infrastructure, between the flooding, between the water, the rain, all of it. Just take a step back. That's all I ask you to do. Drive around after a strong storm and see who's getting flooded just by an afternoon thunderstorm. We're not even talking about a major hurricane or something that we're known for. Just be responsible. Think about your neighbors. Take a moment. Just take a step back. It how do I lay? Hope you had a chance to look at those pictures. That's an accumulation of 20 years worth of pictures. I've lived about a half a mile from this project. The water comes from, we're in a basin. The water comes from the west and the north and the east. What you see the flooding at the curve of all mission road, that might happen several times a year. That water just comes down from the woods, okay? The water that stands at the corner of state road for 42 and all mission that road is stuck there. It cannot flow to the south because when FDOT widened state road for 42, they botched the job. Even if you could fix the drainage at that corner, it's going to go under the culvert and into the south part. Well, Mr. Khan has property directly across from this project, and he's going to be before the Planning and Zoning Committee on Wednesday night asking to re-zone and build on his property, the property that stands right there where all the water from the north is going to drain through that tiny little culvert into the south. Are you going to tell him yes to and we're going to build and plug the dam somewhere else. These people have already said this. These wetlands on the Northwest corner, where they propose phase three of a four story medical office building on that corner. Those wetlands are hydrologically connected to all the wetlands to the south, that the St. John's River and the County of Volusia forever program are trying to protect hydrologically connected. You take that 16 acres of that corner out of the equation that displaces all of that water elsewhere. I'm tired. I live in the swamp. I love the swamp. But I think this project is misplaced. I don't really want a five-story, south floor to style luxury development at this corner. It is out of place, it doesn't belong. You can say no. These people bought swamp land. They have no reasonable expectation to be able to build megaliths on it. And I'm asking you to please remember that you're planning and zoning board denied this for whatever reasons. They thought there was a reason that maybe this project shouldn't be built. I want to know if you have all the information that you have, they've done no environmental impact studies. They do not know what the impact of taking those wetlands out of the equation are gonna do to the surrounding area. And I think it's premature for you to make a vote on the rezoning. Thank you for your comment. Please no pause. Hi, Nakoma Fucci. I'm on the board at Coral Trace. I'm speaking as a homeowner, but also some compiled concerns or issues from our community, from our last meeting that we had on August 29th with the developers. Currently, our PUD agreement with the City of Edge Order recorded in book 5214 page 2491 dated 1126 2003 instrument number 2 003 dash 3 00167 page 3 indicates that excuse me sorry any development on a commercial site along 442 will be required to construct additional lanes on each side of the access road. This is in concern with phase one and because in case you guys push forward and agree this with approve this we would like this agreement to be honored as it was in the initial agreement with the city of Edgewater. Presently the BPUD agreement for the property with the city of Edgewater does not indicate that any additional lane will be required. If the city of Edgewater is not going to enforce our current PUD agreement and require the lane additions, then we require some type of resolution in regards to where the entrance will be for the edgewater villages in relation to our entrance, as well as the change in a maintenance of the road leading to coral trace as the community has maintained and blacktopped that road for the last 20 years. The entrance to edgewater village currently impedes our gate entrance, and during normal hours, our community has up to words of 800 openings and closings of those gate arms. Is it developer indicated during the community meeting that their main entrance would be located on 442 and that the entrance and exit onto the access road to crawl trace would be solely for the use of the one story villas. This construction entrance and the construction entrance would be the second phase entrance on 442. We requested this stuff be put in writing before you approve things. And in regards to flooding, our community is deeply concerned regarding the storm-ordered drainage during heavy rains and hurricane events that occurs within coral trace. Adding an elevated land development in front of coral trace without a large burn between the two properties and without engineered plans for water drainage and better maintenance of the canals leading water from our properties and others on mission Road in 442 currently neither the BPUG nor proposed ordinance 2024 043 allow for a large burn to be between the two property This needs to be added to the agreement with the city of edgewater this contractual agreement needs to be put in writing between Edgewater and Edgewater villages senior development. The developer had indicated during the meeting that they would provide the the berm and also a divider between us. They would be willing to put a wall and we also wanted to discuss the coral trace signage that they would allow that they would be putting a new signage because we own that front property right at 442. I did email all of this to you guys. If you could please review it. Thank you for your good and read it in time. I'll be right back. I'll be right back. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. My name is Alice Marie Cross. I live at 3106 Memphis, Terrace. And I'm not going into all this because I basically know most of you have already made up your mind just by some of your previous answers as well as some of the facial expressions. But what I really would like to say, and it's not even just about this project. But if you lived in any of these projects that you have made up your mind, would you really still vote? Yes, I somehow doubt that and it saddens me and I see a facial expression now. It saddens me to think that you run the town, you're voting. And just so you know, when you are voted in, you are to serve the people, not the politics. I was an elected official in my day. You are to serve the people. And right now, I'm really not so sure that some of you are really intrufully trying to serve the people. And that really does sadden me. That you are put, and elected and trusted, trusted to serve. But the politics means more to you of keeping your position and your power. You're a young mayor. Congratulations, by the way. Thank you. congratulations by the way. But I will say, ruling and truthfully with what you run on, you say you're for the people, all of you, you're for the people, well if you're for the people, show the people. And I know that because I served and I served the people and you know what? Some of those politicians really weren't real thrilled with me because I served the people. And you know what? Some of those politicians really weren't thrilled with me because I served the people that elected me. They are my bosses. The people that elected you are your bosses. Think about that. And please bless in your expressions and be more considerate. Thank you. Thank you for your call. Please no boss. Please no pause. Good evening. My name is Daniel McGuire. I'm 528 Carl Trace. I just want to emphasize that all these people here is very impressive and you know I'm can I ask if most of you are against this? Absolutely! 100% Okay well then that's great What we have to do is, what I would like to propose, you know, it's a very, very difficult decision, it really is. So one of the wonderful, more concepts, you know? And I've, we've had the pleasure of talking with the developer and the owner. And I think that's anywhere, you know, like would be very nice, but the expression goes from what I can guess feeling from. And I live smack right in the back end of where this is going, believe me. But I'm willing to be all-minded about it. And I want to concur with Nicole, our president, our H.O. president. I think she had a whole bunch of things. I hope she got a copy of our notes on that. And I would like to ask and suggest that we've postponed making the decision really, really simply because there's just too many things that remain questionable like environmental study, you know, the impact, you know, stormwater retention. That's a huge topic and that sensitivity to all these people. You think I didn't hear a lot about is traffic is surveyed, you know? And that corner now is certainly going to be very busy. I don't know if everybody is aware of the fact that we have the city hall and we're relocating across street from us. And it's going to be huge, huge. Please speak into the microphone. Sorry. I'm saying that the future of that corner is going to be huge. We're going to turn into that port orange on the rotten corner where you can't get in and out anymore. There's a million things that still have to be answered. But I would just like to suggest that we were willing to be open-minded, you know, it would be good for the town economically. But at the same time, you know, everybody says, well, it's a great idea, but not in my backyard, you know, typically. You know, everybody says, oh yeah, that's terrific, you know. But then today that something like this comes in and goes into the back of your property How would you vote yourself think about when you're voting you're you're going to have questions And that's all I have just still a lot of questions and all I'm asking for is more time Thank you for your time, and thank you for allowing me to talk. Thank you very much Please no applause. So I just want to clarify a few things. So when Quirl Trace was approved by the prior council, that was a legislative decision. It was a legislative decision to allow residential out there at the time when there was nothing around in the hopes that a future commercial out parcel would be developed. They assigned the future land use of this site is mixed use. According to the comprehensive plan, business plan unit development, industrial development, commercial are allowable under that mixed use for that site. So the legislative authority, the body at the time, believed that was the intent for this site. What is before us today is a business PUD. This is a quasi-judicial hearing that is fact-based testimony. So if this was to go, or this would be reviewed on fact-based testimony, whether this rezoning is compatible with the future land use. What we've heard today is that agriculture, this agriculture shouldn't be rezoned, but the future land use within our comprehensive plan says that agriculture is not an appropriate land, is not an appropriate zoning for the current land use on this site. As far as some of the information that the gentleman was requesting, a TIA is done at site plan. In this case, it will be a site plan. The developer has submitted an environmental assessment on the subject property, which is requested with any annexation, rezoning, and compaid amendment any of those applications Thank you Thank you Tom Holt 1798 highway lane State road 442 is the gateway to edge water and there's limited supply of developer land on that stretch. The third parcel which is the third phase of this is on a very low portion of the land out there. I would just during this meeting, I was provided a survey, GIS survey of the, how low and how high the land is out there. And almost every bit of that 20 acres is extremely low according to the GIS surveys. And per public record of the 20 acres, 16 acres of it is Wasteland, which is another word for wetlands. During rainy season, that property gets extremely wet. I don't care anybody that doesn't live out there has no idea how wet it is. It's extremely wet at that corner. It takes forever for that water to get from that side of the road over to the other side. The way it works out there is the water comes from the north along Mission Road and it comes off the top of the sandy ridge up towards Coral Trace and it all flows into that intersection. And it sits there and waits and waits and waits until it can finally get underneath the culvert and go over to the south side. Well, you put a big 20 fill in 20 acres of land right there with the additional 42 acres. There's nowhere for that water to go. It's just going to hit that wall and it's going to back up. Oh yeah, we'll engineer it to make it work. Engineering plans fail all the time. This property it really is in the middle of the Turnbull hammock. And it's been preserved on the other side by, you know, like other people mentioned. And we just can't afford to keep losing these types of properties. You know, if you look at the bigger picture, what kind of message are you going to be sending to all the other property owners on the other side of both sides of 442 in the middle of the hammock? They're going to be thinking, you change the zoning for them and let them fill it in. Why won't you do it for me? So they're going to certainly be coming to you and expecting the same result. Well, really I'm just asking you to deny this request, at least if not, take some more time. Thank you, sir, for your comment. Sure. Thank you, time to go. Hello, Judy Bordeaux, 2916 Oak Trail, Edgewater, Florida. It seems like a lot of research has been done by the Holtz and Mr. Fisher and other people here and it is swamp land and there is a big development west of 95 that's coming up so I would just like all things to be considered when you are considering the ramifications of this property on the swamp thank you for your comment. Agnes, Whitter, 223, Flagler Avenue, legislature zoning for agriculture was done sometime in the past. Probably wasn't done by anybody that was experienced and environmental issues. So it's easy to say that, oh, this is okay for agriculture, or this is okay for commercial or whatever. If you don't have the knowledge as to what the property actually is. So that should not be a consideration. One thing the city should consider because we face flooding. It's gonna live with us forever with all the construction that's already been done. You've tried to fix it. Some places you succeeded, other places you haven't. The cost is great. That should be considered because we taxpayers have to support you in your efforts to make all these changes and corrections. So maybe it's time to start thinking about what should be done with new construction before you allow a permit in the first place. Why not raise the buildings off the ground and not obstruct the water flow? Why not use permeable paving so the water can go through? Stop obstructing the water. That would solve your problems. At least part of it may be not 100 percent, but it would. But that's something that should be considered now before it's too late. And this has been suggested to the city before time and time again. I've been here since the 80s coming to meetings. It's been suggested but nobody's ever done anything about it. But you guys are the leader of the city of Edgewater. You're the final stop on the ladder. Okay. Whoever you listen to, they are your advisors. They give you their opinions. Okay, your city manager works for you. You don't work for him. It's your choice. So stop and think about what you're doing and require that things start to be done in the city of edgewater that solve your problems before you run into them. Save taxpayer money and save people from having to lose their homes. Thank you for your comment. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. and wetlands or wetlands or wetlands. You can't paste a monkey on my face and go, oh, look, it's a monkey. No, it is what it is. And somebody come walk with me tonight but I'll be wearing high boots, okay? And go walk that property. And you'll see just, you just can't do that. There's what, 10,000 acres, right on the other side of 95. Maybe the two developers can get together and put that lovely place there, where it is dry. That's all I have to say. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening, my name is Adam Cross. I also live in Magnolia Village at 31 or 6 month of stars. I've sat in your guy shoes. I was a real estate developer in New Jersey. I was also a code and force pen officer in a floodplain manager. There's this gentleman over here who said, the water does come from the north and from the west that direction towards Old Mission Road and if any of you have been there that corner is definitely a wet and the concern of most of these people sitting on this side are during E and when we had 20 inches of rain our park is in an ex-zone it's not in a flood point. Well, we had water in our streets for days that it could not flow out of our retention base and could not flow out of our streets to go anywhere because once it got to Old Mission Road on the corner of our property, that cold-virt that's there, it just runs over the road, it's flooded all the time. And if you go down there, during those rains, you can see that. And then to the south side, it just runs over the road. It's flooded all the time. And if you go down there, during those rains, you can see that. And then to this outside, it was flooding and ran across the road, too, where they actually shut the road down, because there was so much water running. Well, if you block the corner up here and take 40 acres out of the area for that water to penetrate, it's going to back us up even more. And then as some other people have said, you know, you have the other development that's further up Old Mission Road, and all that water flows that direction. It's got to get to the river and we're all west of the river. So in that sense, not that this isn't a beautiful project because it is, but again, maybe not in this location to take something that has been set aside for all these years and there's still a problem there and get rid of that flood plain area that it's there for that reason is wetlands. To hold the water, where else can it go unless you guys have them dig a big ditch all the way down to the river so we can just run straight down there. It doesn't have anywhere to go. So that's something to consider, you know, looking at this is what's the highest and best use for this and wetlands may be it for all the surrounding areas that are there. So that's just something for you guys to consider. You know, go visit it now as that lady said you'd be out there today with your boots on. Because even in our park from a little bit of rain we've been getting over the past week or so we have standing water to sit there that's backed up and it just doesn't flow out fast enough. So this is just going to hinder that even more. So thank you. Thank you for your comment. Okay, council comments. I just, I got a list of things that I've written down. If it's going to come up now or it'll come up it's the next part of it. I mean, the fact that PNZ not only denied it, but they've sent an unfavorable recommendation. Have they ever done that before? Like, is that precedent to even move forward with an unfavorable recommendation? So for planning and zoning is a they make a recommendation there that's their job to the board they make a recommendation a recommendation to approve a recommendation to deny. So yes they have sent the board a recommendation. I think I wrote it that way for the board to read at planning and zoning. Okay. So just so that it was clear because we've had issues in the past whether it's yes means no, no means yes, that sort of stuff. Okay that's it was something that I hadn't heard before but coming from them. I mean, I drove it today. I went out there and it's wet. I mean, it's just what it is. And that's some of that whole, I mean, other people who have even spoke positively about the project, the whole issue for the most part is phase three. And phase three is in wetlands, and it's concerning. And it's you're going to build it as high as they want to. It has to go down fairly deep correct as far as the amount of concrete that would have to be poured for them to build that high. I'm not a structural engineer so can't answer that question. Are they able to? Is somebody able to answer that question? Hi, Joe Burn, satellite beach. No, you get a set of grade that'll be perpendicular to the whole community. One of our engineers in your city engineer have told me that the water is going to drain underneath Mission Road to a box culvert that's going to float to the south. A lot of that water is gonna be dumped on that 2,500 acres that would just purchase in July. And that's gonna be the conservatory area where the water is supposed to flow. Water does flow down hill. We need to make sure that our culverts are kept clean for that water can flow the way it's supposed to go. Thank you. And it is, well this is not going to be a deal, but just, I mean, that's concerning. And I do, when I've talked to other residents, and this is just, this is what I want to put out there, what concerns me is sometimes when people will approach me and say, oh, that, oh, well, that area is county. We can't be bad neighbors. I'm concerned about a lot of these projects and everybody at effects. That's not just in the city, the people next to it matter to. I'm not, there's other projects on mission that I feel have been issues in the past. And there's just too much stuff going on on mission. I drove down mission today in the amount of water that just upticked onto my windshield. I had to slow down far below this beam limit just to be able to transfer mission. And today wasn't really a bad thing. And I mean, it was, right? I didn't think it was that bad compared to some other days that we've had here locally. I mean, it far worse. So even on how it was today, that concerns me with how the water's sitting now without that development. And I just, I think as many people have stated before, it's a beautiful project. I mean, I think it's a nice project. But that location is the concern. It's wetlands, and it's, I feel like we're just, and I feel like something about it stinks, and we're just trying to plant roses around it to make it sound better, and it's just, it's not, I'm not happy with that location, and I don't know what can be done for that corner and it's it's wet back there. And I mean I guess I'm talking to everybody here but I mean that is my biggest. To to to to piggyback off of Councilman Gillis I agree with each and every one of you guys. This is a great project. Just not on this parcel. I grew up going on this parcel. I actually, we used to ride back here all the time. The majority is wet. I have a 90-year-old grandmother. I chowed it home on lime tree dried flooded in her counter. Water was up to her countertops. I believe we have a lot of issues, we need to take care of and yes, by law, every development has to have their own water, hold their own water. I believe we have a lot of infrastructure issues that we need to get over first before we add to it. I believe we need to complete our storm water master plan so we know where our current storm water is going and move forward with any kind of major development and that's just my personal opinion it is in the works it will be completed in so long but it's a beautiful project I love it I think everybody here loves it just not on that parcel I think that there's several parcels on 442 good works such as behind gas station that still is for sale and I think that we encourage you to develop here. I just really wish that you would look at separate parcels. Please note public participation. I've seen how, I mean, just for the comment was made that a drop of water wouldn't go on to some of these streets. I see where the concerns. I have been down high to way after a rain, after these projects have come up. And we can say it's low, but it wasn't flooding the way it is now years ago. I mean, this is, it's a lot of the building. And when we can say it's not, but I mean, it is what it is. A lot of these areas that we're flooding are flooding now, we're flooding before. I've lived here my whole life and there's areas that are wetter now than they were 10 years ago and it's concerning. So that's just, I mean I can't. Mr. Erby, how many people do we have in each water? 25,000. 25,500. Right. Okay. I think this is an excellent project and it's perfect for that situation right here. It's bringing into our city that I have lived here for over 50 years. And I have seen, I have seen, it's my turn to speak now. Will you quiet please? Please no public participation. I'm trying to give you my opinion. You gave us your opinion. Now I'm trying to give you my opinion. That's all I'm asking is reach back for the same thing that we gave you. I have lived here for 50 years, plus. I've seen flooding and I've seen not flooding. I have never seen it flood like it did for that hurricane two years ago, a year on. Never, that's a thousand year flood that we had. That is not normal to have here. I don't think there's been another thousand year one recorded in our lifetimes. Now that's not mean to say that it won't happen again, but as stewards of edgewater, we're selected up here to represent the 25,000 plus people that live in edgewater to do what we feel is in their best interest in belong run. Now this plan has got to have it's got to have stormwater management. It's got to have engineering. It's the the Volusia County is interested in this. They're looking forward to this project. They're willing to contribute. They guaranteed that they will make sure all the stormwater is made acceptable to the people that live in the county. Okay, they're guaranteeing us that. This is a good problem. You can lie on the one. Participation. Please have public participation. This is a, all right, you don't, you want to hear our side. I met with Miss, Miss Gina and her husband. I understand their problems. I would love if I could I would love to live where you live right now. It's beautiful. I can't take that away. This project in the best interest of edge water I believe is what we need. We need economic growth terrible. We need jobs. We need people for our places for our young people to live. This project will provide that plus it will take care of elderly people plus it will be across the street from city hall basically. So we're all going to be in the one area. Now I don't care whether you agree with me or not. I'm telling you my opinion on this project. I think we can't go wrong with this. It's going to be what it'll do to our city and help us with all the problems that we have. That million dollar plus revenue every year is going to help a lot. Please no public participation. Please, please no public participation. We can interrupt you. don't interrupt us please. Please. I don't have three minutes now please be quiet. No I am tired that we listen to them we have sat there. No. Please please no public participation. This is council this is council discussion. Please let the council discuss it this morning. I'm just trying to be honest with you people and tell you how I feel. Okay, I'm just one person sitting up here who has lived here majority of my life. I moved from Merritt Island. You talk about a swamp lived to Merritt, live on Merritt Island. Do you think this floods go there? So, but I think this is the best interest of the city and arts citizens, this project. Brian, I think my, I think my biggest concern is. Please know public participation. Please, please. This is council discussion. Had your citizens comments please be respectful. I think my concern is, is the future land use which you said already is designated as mixed use. So that was decided in the legislative process in the PUD in 2003. Yeah it was established a long time ago when Coral Trace, part of that reason why City Council at the time it appears for minutes is that they wanted commercial on the front edge. I think my concern, what we're conducting right now is a quasi judicial hearing. We're making a decision in lieu of a judge. The problem is if this makes its way to a judge, if say it's denied, makes its way to a judge, if say it's denied, makes its way to a judge, and what a judge is going to do is say, does it match the future land use? And so if we're in violation of denying something that it is already on the books since 2003, not a decision that we made, but is already on the books as a compatible land use. A judge is going to turn right around and approve it because they have to make decisions based on factual evidence. And that is the only factual evidence that they're operating in. An example of this is we approve when the, again, we did not approve this. When the marina was approved, a group of residents turned around and sued I don't know do they sue us they sued the developer yes both yes and so a judge sat there looked at the facts ruled in our favor based off of the future land use designation so what it comes down to is the fact that this property already has entitlements on it. All we're doing is sort of configuring what it's going to be. This is a really a complex legal process. There's a lot that goes into this. These entitlements replaced on this property effectively in 2003 by a previous council. We're inheriting the project obviously. But what a judge is going to do is going to, they're going to look at the comp plan and they're going to rule whether or not we're in violation of the comp plan. That's what they're going to do into that detail as well. It's going to be something. It's already zoomed to be something. So do we want a wild wild we want I was told it could be big enough to be a buckies and please no public Yeah, this is council comments please. I would respect that was given to you. It could be a number of things. If it was a Wawa, you're going to get 24-hour traffic and the number of cars that go into businesses, we want businesses. The number of cars that are going to go in and out there if it was a business is tremendously more than it would be as it's planned for this development. So, and that's just one thing, but if they're investing $200 million in here and the tax base is going to help the residents and right now the residents carry most of the tax burdens. So this is going to help. Please know public it's going to provide provide for the. Outerly as they're getting older is going to place for them from 55 up. You're going to be able to stay in your in your condo and then move assisted living in the memory care. And you're going to stay in the same environment. So you're not bouncing around from place to place as you get older. You have to move X to Y because now you're in a different different space of your life. It doesn't add added stress to our schools. Now, once we'd be attending school, we're not going to have the traffic that we would have if it was a business with a busy business. So that's going to not going to take the wear and tear of our little of our roots. It's beautiful facility. That offers a lot of the residents a lot of amenities. And again, it's going to add to our tax base. So I think it's going to be something we have to choose what it's going to be. We've made councils made mistakes in the past where things have been denied because we listen to the residents. And then what happens it comes no public participation no public participation and then and then something else comes behind it which is much less desirable so we do have to look out for the entire city not just a group and we do represent the residents but we represent all of the residents from the entire city so that's where we as council have to make the best choice that we can for all of the residents. That's all I have to say. The public participation. The reality is again, this is a quasi-judicial hearing. We, a judge will come behind us and make the decision for us if we don't. And we'll cost millions of dollars in a lawsuit. We will lose a lawsuit so they will get to build what they want and it could bankrupt the city. So I mean no public participation. No public participation please at this time. Please respect the council. I'm going to go to the public participation. Are there any further council comments? Opposed to council discussion and the public hearing is their motion to approve? I'll make a motion that we approve this project. Any ordinance? Oh, the ordinance. Yes, the people. I got to bring it up. Right at the bottom of the screen. The screen. For the record. Oh, 24, 2024, 042, 43, 43, roll call. Councilwoman Dalbo. Yes. Councilman Powers. Yes. Mayor DePue. No. Councilwoman Gillis. No. Councilwoman Bennington. Yes. Item 8P. First. Please no public participation unless it's on the next agenda item. 8P. First reading. Ornus number 2024-0-44 request for a rezoning from B3 highway commercial to city Bp UD business plan unit development please no public participation at this time unless you'd like to comment on the next agenda item. We have to move on. First reading, ordinance number 2024-0-44, request for a rezoning from B3 highway commercial to city BPUD. Business Plan Unit Development for 3.679 plus acres located at 2360 south Ridgewood Avenue. Please read into the record. On a summer of 2024-요-44 in the North and Screnivore and the Changes and Zoning Classification from B3 highway commercial to BPUD business pen unit development for 3.68 plus of minus acres is certainly property. Generally located at 2360 south Ridgewood Avenue, parcel ID numbers 840-20000-0-0-0-0-0-4-2-0 at Water Florida, amen in the official zoning mapper city, badge water providing for complete and provision, several ability and a capability, finding for an effective date recording and adoption. Thank you. Staff report. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The request before you is a rezoning from B3 Highway Commercial, the city business planned unit development for 3.679 plus remind us acres. The applicant is requesting this rezoning to allow for the construction of 24 flex space units. Specifically the flex space units will allow for warehousing, which would otherwise be a conditional use permit. MB3, city staff have also added other retail uses that are similar, such as general retail, office buildings, and some more specific ones that aren't identified, such as brewery, art gallery, and that sort of stuff. Outdoor storage is prohibited within the business planned unit development. It sets a maximum height of 30 feet. Maximum building coverage is 60 percent, and then maximum pervious coverage is 75%. Future land use here is commercial, and the business plan unit development is a compatible zoning district. City staff, we're happy to answer any questions or comments or concerns. Thank you. Open to public hearing. Citizens comments? Council comments? Now I just think it makes sense to change the zoning on this. It's too small for any kind of commercial property. So if it's in with the, oh, I'm sorry, sorry, I remind. Ryan, I have my iPad died. What is the future land use on this one? It's already commercial. It's already zone commercial. Correct, highway commercial. Yeah, so this way just creating a BPD to be sort of creative with the way that we do it. Yeah, it allows some flexibility. So the intent here is to allow this contractor flex space, which typically wouldn't have allowed that storage component, okay that we would see. Okay. Thank you. What is the public hearing is there motion to make a motion to approve ordinance 2024-0-44? Second. Roll call. Miss Bednington. Councilwoman Davo. Yes, Councilman Powers. Yes, Mayor DePueh. Yes, Councilwoman Gillis. Yes, Councilwoman Bennington. Yes, item eight. Q First reading ordinance number twenty twenty four. That's your dash forty five. Request for a small scale copper hints of Plano Amendment. But commercial to low density residential for three parcels located south side at Palm Bridge Drive east of US one please read into the record. On a summer of 2024 dash it has 45 in order to the city of water amended the comprehensive plan is amended by a minute in the official future land use map from commercial to low density residential for 0.72 plus a minus equals a zero property generally located at Palm Breastrive, partial ID numbers 840-2-0-0-0-0-0-0-2-6-2, 840-2-0-0-0-0-0-0-2-6-1 and 840-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-2-5-4 edge water flow to provide for public human rights finance and assistance, to provide for the provision, and providing effective data. Thank you. Staff report. Thank you, Mayor. The request before you is the small scale conference of plan amendment to change the future land use from commercial to low density residential for these three subject properties. They total 0.72 acres. This subject properties are vacant. Together, they are rather small to develop a commercial site, especially with the new stormwater standards we have now. It was part of a plated subdivision at one point. It appears to me that when the city drew the lines for the comprehensive plan, we designated the corridor as commercial and we grabbed these pieces. They do meet the minimum lot size for R3, which will be on the next hearing. So staff is recommending approval for the small scale conference and plan amendment change from commercial to low density residential. Thank you. Open to public public hearing citizens comments Council comments so Ryan these are commercial they're too small to do anything with So they're just changing to an R3 load-ins Yeah, so essentially yes, there's three separate parcels that total 0.72 acres So the intent here is just to match what's already on Palm Breeze Drive, which is residential homes in that coldest area. In R3, each individual parcel matches the size for it. Correct, it has a minimum lot width, a lot length, because it's part of that original added area. Thank you. I'll close the public hearing, is there a motion to approve? Make a motion to approve ordinance number 2024-0-25. Second. Roll call. Councilwoman Davo? Yes. Councilman Powers. Yes. Mayor DePio. Yes. Councilwoman Gillis. Yes. Councilwoman Bennington. Yes. Item 8ute. Yes, Councilwoman Gillis. Yes, Councilwoman Bennington. Yes, item 8F first reading ordinance number 2024-0-46 requests for every zoning from B3 highway commercial the R3 residential for three parcels Okay, the south side of Palm Breeze Drive east of US one please reading to the record Point is over 2024-46 and ordinance running the change in-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2- zero zero zero zero two five fourage water for the many officials only after the city vegetable water run for completely provisioned several building of the body providing for an effective de recording in a doctor staff report. Thank you mr. Mayor the question before you is this rezoning from B3 highway commercial to R3 residential the three individual lots do meet the minimum lot square footage which has a minimum lot size of 8,625 square feet, minimum lot width at 75 feet, and a minimum lot depth of 115 feet. Staff is recommending approval for the requested rezoning. Thank you. Open of public hearings and comments. Council comments. Public hearing I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. Councilwoman Dalbo. Yes, Councilman Powers. Yes, Mayor DePueh. Yes, Councilwoman Gillis. Yes, Councilwoman Bennington. Yes Item 9 board appointments item 9a ratification of Councilman Gillis appointment to Teresa Hver to the River to see TPO bicycle pedestrian advisory committee BPAC staff report. Yes, sir each member of the transportation planning organizations required to appoint a resident of their city to serve as a voting member of the bicycle the pedestrian advisory committee. Councilwoman Gillis serves as the city's representative on the TPO board and has elected to appoint Teresa Hevner to represent the city on the BPAC. Voting members shall serve at the pleasure of the respective TPO Board Member for a period of time determined by the TPO Board Member being represented. As all appointments represent the entire council, ratification of this appointment is necessary. So the recommended action before he's united is a motion to ratify councilwoman Gillis' appointment at Theresa Hefner to the River to see TPO BPA Thank you Council comments This is comments Is there a motion to approve? No, they're ratifying your appointment. Oh, okay. Well, I make a motion to ratify councilwoman gillis as a appointment of Teresa heaven or to the over to see TPO by a school pedestrian advisory committee. I second roll call. Councilwoman Dalbo. Yes, gentlemen powers. Yes, Mayor DePio. Yes, councilwoman Gillis. Yes, councilman Benning though? Yes. Ultimate powers. Yes. Mayor DePueh? Yes. Councilwoman Gillis? Yes. Yes. Okay. Item 10, 10. Other business. Item 10, eight. Modification of Ed's Water Professional Firefighter and National Association Firefighters. IAFF Local 5575 Lieutenant Driver Engineer and Firefighter Collective Arganing Agreements. Staff report. Yes, sir. Minor modifications to Article 14 and 21 were requested by the Union. And all are more or less considered by management to be non-monetary housekeeping items. Under Article 29, wages for the fiscal year 2025, all eligible employees got received a 5% increase in their hourly rate of pay and the first full pay cycle in the month of October. The 5% increase will be subject to the Council of Greetings, sufficient funds in the budget to fund the pay increase. Employees are not eligible for this increase until they have successfully completed their new higher probation and have been deemed a regular employee. For fiscal year 2025, in addition to the increase above, the city agrees to meet with the IAFF in January 2025 to discuss possible additional increases for fiscal year 2025. This shall not be considered a re-opening of the agreement. Any agreements reached through the meeting and discussion process will be subject to ratification by both parties. So the recommended action before we unite is a motion to approve. October 1, 2022. There's September 30th, 2025. Aged water professional firefighter AFF, Lieutenant Driver Engineer and Firefighter Collective Bargain Agreement, Profiscal Year 2425, and authorize the mayor to execute the agreement. Thank you. Citizens comments? Council comments. Is there a motion to approve? Make a motion to ratify the Edgewater Professional Firefighter International Association of Firefighters IAFF Local 4575. Lieutenant Driver Engineer and Firefighter Collective Bargaining Agreement. Second. Roll call. Councilwoman Dabo. Yes. Councilman Powers. Yes. Mayor DePio. Yes. Councilwoman Gillis. Yes. Councilwoman Bennington. Yes. Item 10B ratification of the Coast Coastal Florida Police Bavina Association PBR Collective Bargaining Agreement Staff Report. Yes, so request that changes to the police contractors follows. We're just for fiscal year 2025 all eligible and poised shall receive a 5% increase in their hourly rate of pay. A fifth effective the first full pay cycle in a month October. The 5% increase for fiscal year 2025 will be subject to the Senate Council appropriating sufficient funds and the budget to fund the pay increase. Employees are not eligible for the Senate increase until they have successfully completed their new higher probation and been deemed a regular employee. Professor Year 2025, in addition to the increase a bit above, the City agrees to meet with the PBA in January 2025 to discuss possible additional increases for physical year 2025. This shall not be considered a reopening of this agreement. Any agreements reached through the meeting and discussion process will be subject to ratification by both parties. Article 31, Assignment Compensation, we have agreed to add crisis and negotiation team $100 per month to stipend. So the recommended action before he denies the motion to approve the amendment to the October 1, 2022 2022 through September 30th, 2025. So Florida, the Association, BBA for fiscal year 2425, and authorized them aired to execute the committee to approve the committee. Is there a comment? Yes. On this? Yes. No. Is there a motion to approve? I make a motion to approve the ratification of the coastal Florida. Police for Navidil Association second roll call councilwoman Davo yes councilman powers yes mayor deput yes councilwoman Gillis yes councilwoman Bennington yes item 10c transportation impact fees or local agreement staff report yes or the governor signed hb479 having to do with mobility fund and impact fees and this new law becomes effective October 1 2024 the bill provides if the county or municipality charge developers of a new development of fee for transportation, capacity impacts, the county and or city must buy October 1, 2025, do one of two things. So the first one is create and execute an interlocal agreement to coordinate the mitigation of transportation, capacity impacts, or establish a process to collect and distribute the collected revenues. If no interlocal agreement exists, the developer receives a 10% reduction in impact fees and a proportionate fair share agreements. Currently the city of Edgwood requires developers to contact the county and work with them on calculations and payment of impact fees and staff prefers to stay the same. The interlocal agreement in your package is what accomplishes us. So the recommended action before you can add as a motion to accept the interlocal agreement has presented to keep the county county transportation impact collections and remittance status quo. The mayor would need to sign the document and the city manager would test this. Thank you. This is comments. Council comments. So when this is coming about from state legislation. This is if we collect or this has to do with impact fees for the county. Not our impact. Okay Is there a motion to approve? Make a motion to approve the inter-interlocal agreement transportation impact coordination Second well call Councilwoman Davo. Yes, Councilman Bowers. Yes, Mayor DePueh. Yes, Councilwoman Gillis. Yes. Councilman Bowers. Yes. Mayor DePue. Yes. Councilwoman Gillis. Yes. Councilwoman Bennington. Yes. Item 10D. Disposal of real property for sale. Staff report. Yes, sir. The city owns a 4,000 square foot rectangular shaped piece of vacant property at the intersection of Umbrella Tree Drive and 26th Street. Under current codes, it is not available. And an adjacent property owner has approached showing interest in purchasing that. Stafford recently had it appraised and found the value to be $2,800. Aaron has agreed to charge $200 for a quick claim deed and the appraisal cost was $400. I have asked the interesting party to reimburse to the city all cost by certified bank check, money, order or wire transfer or cash, which amount to $3,400. This will be required prior to air and drawing up the quick claim deed. The attorney general has a pond that's such a transfer is permission permission, this long as the city has no pro within its charter, which we recommended action before you tonight is a motion to approve the sale of a remin property belonging to the city of Edgelord. Thank you. Citizens comments. Council comments. $3,400 for a piece of property through the city of Edgelwater. Thank you. Citizens comments? Council comments? $3,400 for a piece of property in the city of Edgelwater. There's nothing to do with it. So it was appraised, right? And so like a, anybody 125 is over 8,000 square feet. What do that work out to? 10,000 square feet. So it's not buildable, I guess. It's what probably brings that value down, I would say. It's the neighboring property. Is this kind of expanding their property? Yeah. Okay. Is there a motion to approve? Make a motion to dispose of real property. I'll call. Councilwoman Dobbo. Yes. Councilman Powers. Yes. Mayor DePue. Yes. Councilwoman Gillis. Yes. Councilwoman Benning. Yes. Item 11. Officer Reports. City Clerk. Just a reminder that on the 1-T-3rd, we have a workshop at 4 o'clock, and then the regular or special city council meeting at 6 o'clock. And then on the 30th, there's a 4 p.m. workshop, and then a 6 p.m. workshop. But I did send calendar invites for everything lit. I just want to go. City Clerk. So we're going to be here from four to whenever we finish the six o'clock. The attorney nothing at this time. See manager. We are. We are. Citizen's comments. Thank you. Honorable Mayor, Honorable City Council members. I got something good to tell you. Can you say a name and address for the record? Please say your name and address. Mike Thomas, 1721, Royal Palm Drive, Edgewater, Florida. Been here 52 years, and I'm proud to live in Edgewater. I can save that. And the reason that I'm coming up here today is I was driving home this afternoon down Royal Palm. And I've seen the big city truck, the pickup truck, it picks up the sticks and stuff. And I slowed down and went around him, and evidently lighting in his truck a big oak tree and knocked it down across this lady's driveway into the road, and he was, if it's an elderly single lady, and she's standing out there with her hand on her hip. And he had these big loppers, and he was way up in her driveway, cutting the limbs, which we only go 15 foot. The city of Edwater goes up in the peaceful properties. And it was pouring down rain, and he was doing that so she could get her car out of her garage. Because when I came to the council of council meeting about 5 o'clock, I went back there and I'd saw he cut up a hole in the tree where she could back her car out of her garage to get somewhere. So that's what makes the city of Edgewater great is all our employees and and they're I just can't say enough about them I'm proud to live here thank you thank you for your comment edgewater chuck two five Martin Cherry Woodland edgewater I think it's been a great meeting tonight you know got a little heated. I want to apologize for my conduct earlier. But at the end of the day, we're all humans. We all make mistakes. And I have a tendency to stick up for people that are being bullied or lied against or heck old or whatever. You know, as bullied as a kid and if I see somebody that's elderly or young or a child or somebody, it's just I just can't take it, you know, I have to step in and do something or say something, you know, and I respect every one of you up there. I mean for the the top decisions you made tonight and I may not agree with three out three out of five of you But that's your decision and you have to be respected for that and you got up and you made the best decision in your beliefs for all the residents here Okay, and Yeah, it could cost you your next election. But at the end of the day, you're doing what you feel is right. You know, you guys that are up there, you won this. And Gigi, you're here not only because you would have won it, but nobody else wanted to sit up there and make those tough decisions that you make. And I respect you for that. I've known you a long, long time. And I said, I might not agree, but I have to respect those decisions, you know, and at the end of the day, we all have to go home and lay our head down and sleep what we done and the decisions that we make here. We're all just a little piece of the pie here in Edgewater. We love Edgewater. We want what's best for it. it was a really good meeting air. And I mean, I don't know how he does it, but he's awesome. He does. And I mean, Glenn was a little too rampant just tonight. Maybe he could tone it down a little bit next time. But, uh, no, again, I apologize earlier. That was wrong of me to do that. But when I'm being heckled and disrespected, Again, I apologize earlier that was wrong of me to do that. But when I'm being heckled and disrespected, I tend to speak before I should think or anything like that. But my hatch off to the mayor is the youngest mayor ever elected. He gave up a lot to come up here and help edgewater for an immediately $700. This is perfect now, but he's got a harder gold and a beautiful family just like to everybody else does. Thank you I call on 22 who 224 is the bomb the only made over eight it over eight years. I can't remember my address. So you mentioned something, Jonah, right, about the development on this corner on 442. And you mentioned something about the course and look at the facts and all that about the future land use of this property and how it kind of fit with the developer. Is there a way to change that? Because I mean, it's almost like we see this calamity coming our way, but because of some paperwork that was done a few years back, we can't change it now. I guess that's the part I don't understand. I mean, is there anything we can do to stop that? I get kind of why you voted the way you did. I did actually appreciate y'all's, how you explain some things. Because you're right, there are some things that happen to law that, you know, as the regular citizens, we don't have a lot of degrees. We don't know how it works all the time. But we do see common sense. So too, it's almost like we see this flood coming. We see the calamity this things have a cause, but because of some paperwork, we won't do anything about it. That part I don't understand. Maybe I'm just not, I don't understand government correctly. But it's more the way to change that. It's more than just paperwork, but we'll talk about it after. I mean, there's a way to change that we should try to change. I mean, as council members, I mean, almost sound like you, you were almost maybe more moving it, but it's almost like you couldn't do anything about it anyway. So why try it? And I guess I get your position because of that in years as well. And, but maybe there's a way we could change that? I don't know, because I'm with the rest of these guys. We're flooding more. And I know it's because the developments around us, I mean, this is what's causing it, I think. We just need better drainage. But there was a way to change some of that plan unit development map to include that. Because they probably didn't know that was going to happen. And I'm saying they're looking at areas and they're not like on boots on the ground. But there's got to be way to change that. You know, anyway, that's what I have to say. Thank you for your comment. I have a question. This property has it yet had inspection by DEP will it be required to have an inspection? Well, and then what happens if they find that there is a problem that it's not a proper place for this type of project to be constructed. Will we then have to change our minds and say sorry but you can't do this? Will we have legal right to do this? Will we have the legal right to do that? Thank you for your comments. Mr. Manager, would you like to answer that? Sure. If they can obtain the proper permits, they wouldn't be allowed to build it. Okay. I have a second question. Now, if it goes ahead and gets built, and then the people in the village next to it suffer substantial detrimental flooding. Can the city of Aguara to be held liable? Can they sue us for it? Not a lawyer. Mr. Wolfe. No, not the city because by that stage they'll have all the engineering and all the permits necessary to prevent that. Okay, thank you. And one other thing, I watched meetings on the computer and I can't understand you guys at all. 99% of the time, you got to speak closer to your microphone so I can hear you Thank you. Thank you And the Keonvart 2606 Albrook I just wanted to come up here and also Apologize for my conduct earlier for speaking out of turn was inappropriate I I should have done better. But I can't stand by when someone is outright slandering me and telling lies about me in front of you guys. I was able to back up what I was saying with actual evidence, with photos, video. Chuck comes up here and starts talking to you. I'm talking to you. Chuck came up here and started telling you that I'm towing my neighbors, that I'm threatening old ladies. Like these are just outright falsuits and he has no evidence to back up these claims. He says that he doesn't like bullies. He literally just came up here and bullied. So I'm here to say the first time that I approached this microphone three months ago, you told me that what I was talking about was not city business. So how in the hell was what Chuck Martin came up here and said city business? You let him come up here and basically kiss your ass for three minutes. And that city business, but me talking about you using a fake ID at a restaurant in the area, is not. You're a public in the area is not. You're a public official. I am not. He comes up here in Berserks' My Name and that doesn't get him thrown off the podium. If anyone was questioning whether or not there's corruption and abuse of power here on this dius, there's nothing clearer than what you just saw today. That's all I have to say. Thank you for your comments. Say no further comments, we are adjourned. Fair how late, three, four, six, Sam Piper Court. I'm sorry, I going to make it quick. I'm sorry I'm going to make it quick. I'm disappointed in our mayor is willing to put our local community at risk. By underage drinking and local establishments, pictures are posted that are local businesses of you pertaining to alcohol. I am unsure that you are aware of how that can absolutely ruin a business. I don't know if you've ever been aware of that, especially since you're not at the legal drinking age of 21. You can have their license removed, you can have impermanent. You can have a fine that they are unable to handle right now during our slow season. On top of that, you can ruin the server's life as well. While underage drinking is mostly a misdemeanor offense, the drinking and driving is a disgrace. I feel like you know me well enough to know that I have children. I have children that go to multiple schools. I have children that do multiple different things after schools. I work in a local restaurant, I run one, and I do a damn good job. And I don't appreciate that while I'm on the roads, I have to worry about you underage drinking when you're supposed to be leading our community. It is hard enough being a parent in the stay-in-age and making sure our kids are safe. I should not be concerned that city officials at the age of 19 or 20 are out drinking and driving afterwards. And to be clear, I was at one of the restaurants that you attempted to drink and drive at. Your parents tried to order you alcohol. Shake your head all you want, babe. But at the end of the day, you're putting my child's life at risk and that's a disgrace, and I will not allow it, and I will not be quiet when it comes to it. And I'm well aware that I've been told to not speak out against you because of your antics that you pull when people do. And that's completely fine. I'm ready. Another thing that has been posted that has completely wrecks me and how disgusted I am in the repeated use of you using the N word, right, referring to your rectal cavity. You are the faceless community. You are supposed to be a leader, the youngest mayor in history, correct? No? Oh, I'm sorry, then our town. And this is the standpoint that you have. You're supposed to be leading us into different form of actions and a new age of government that was supposed to represent a demographic that has close to my age group than what has been normal ed. And instead, you're leading us right back to Jim Crow while screaming the N word. And the fact that you have nothing to say about it. Nothing is disgusting. But I've seen the way that you've talked about other people. And you have no problem doing that. I strongly recommend standing up, taking your faults, and apologizing. Thank you for your comment. Please no public participation. Thank you. You've been bringing that to my side. Hey, stop. No public participation. See no more citizens comments? Wait a minute. That's just a man doing the right thing for a minute. This man here is not in this game for a while. I'll hold my phone. We don't even know those. Stop, please no public participation at this time. Mr. Khan, if you want to. Okay, okay, thank you. I'm trying to say something. Okay, Mr. Mayor, thank you. Okay, well, okay, well hold on a minute. I want to get your thoughts on something. I want to propose that we do a national search for a new city manager. Nothing against you, Mr. Erby. After the last meeting we had with the Edgewater Plain and PNZ. I left there thinking, wow, where are we at? Where are we heading? I just felt, I felt the city city we weren't going in the right direction and I really feel that that we need to put a search out there to see what's available. We got to look to the future and be ready for the growth and have someone who's out there in the city hitting the pavements, involved in the community and and ready to make that lunch or whatever it might be to keep us moving in the right direction. So I don't know what his recent thoughts. Mr. Albo, I believe our city manager has done a wonderful job leaning us into the future. He's been a part of several projects in our community, such as in New City Hall, such as our new boat ramp. I believe it is time for a change. I would pass the gavel and and second the motion and I do think that there is need for nothing against our current city manager for an national search at this time to propose someone that would be here for the long call and nothing against you Mr. Erby new fresh ideas and I think you've done a great job with our city but I think it is time for new leader. I would suggest we put this as an agenda item on the next meeting. That way the public will be on notice of what the council is considering. Okay, and I just kind of want to get a sense of where everyone's stood on it so that's definitely works. Or we could have a special meeting on. It should be an agenda item on a notice meeting. Okay. If that's the consensus. Yeah, that's not a conversation. I feel comfortable having right now when everybody's left that something that I think would be open for public discussion and we'll know this as well. What would be? Yes. We wouldn't just stay here and do it. We would have to have it all. Public notice and do it. I just wanted to get a consensus on what thoughts were on that subject at this point. Who wants us on the next regular meeting? I'm not sure. What would you like to hold a special meeting on it? I was going to say if we're going to have to have this conversation I'd rather be a special meeting. Okay. Okay. Well let's hold a special meeting on it. When is next available? So we have the workshop in the meeting on the 23rd workshop and workshop on the 30th. I don't have anything next Monday, but that's giving us four weeks and, well, five weeks in a row because then October 7th. You don't want to do a Monday? We don't have to do it. Would you like to do it on the 16th or would you like to do it on the 23rd? At this month, the 23rd? We have to. 23rd we start at 4 o'clock for a. I mean it can go on the agenda but. So. Monday the 16th. What time? 6 o'clock. What time? 6.5. 6.5. Can I make a motion to adjourn? Yes. We'll adjourn at the top.