you you you you you You Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I want to call the meeting of Monday, September 23rd, 2024 to order at 2 p.m. We're going to recess into our executive session. Council will now retire into executive session, pursuant section 551, that's 071551, that's 07251, that's 07251, that's 07451, that's 087 to discuss the items as outlined on the agenda. The council will now recess into executive session at 2 o'clock p.m. Go. you you you you you you you you All right. Two minutes. Two minutes and we'll be ready to start. And Reverend Harbney, I do believe that you're on to pray for real this time. All right, good evening ladies and gentlemen. We're going to reconvene into our regular business session at 6.05pm. We'll have our invocation by Reverend Julian Hobdie, a first United Methodist church. We'll have our pledge of allegiance by Mr. Todd Tunora, and we'll have our Texas pledge by Mr. Juan Fresquez, and after which we'll have a recognition, and I would ask that in respect of the prayer and the pledges of those men who have on hats, if you will remove them at this time. Let us all stand together. Join me now, let's bow. O Lord, our Lord, how excellent is your name in all the earth. God of grace and mercy, wisdom and love, thank you that we are able to gather in this way. We thank you that we are able to sit together, to share with one another, to learn from each other and share with each other. We give thanks that we are able to participate in the eternal good of community. And through a community of diversity, though it is not always particularly easy, there is depth of meaning in our difference, power in our unity and wisdom in our willingness to share and do life together. On these proceedings that take place on this evening, Grant Arcevic leaders wisdom, help them to have ears to hear and hearts of compassion. Grant minds of discernment with a concerted movement and momentum toward oneness, though not sameness. Grant all present, eyes to see, ears to hear, hearts willing to receive your wisdom and grace so that in some way great and small, we will continue to be a community that is a great place to live, learn, work, play, teach, and serve. It is in the mighty and matchless, powerful and potent, generous and gracious name of Jesus The statements of the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Out of the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to thee. Texas, one state under God, one in indivisible. Thank you very much. Revin Hobdie, you mind sharing with us? Yes. God is doing it first. There are some wonderful things going on at that chart, across the street from Walmart. Our women's ministry is currently involved in a wonderful Bible study on untangling your emotions. Our pumpkin patch is going to open up on September 29th. Our fall family extravigands are beginning on October 26th. And our included team, our special needs ministry will be having dinner on Wednesday over at Portillo's, and then we'll be working toward their special prom, the included ball coming up in the spring. And anyone that wants to come hang out with me can come hang out on Saturday nights at 6 o'clock. I'd like to say the church where Chick-fil-A is still open. Amen. All right. Thank you very much. We appreciate that. We have a special recognition. Council, you are coming down and joining me as we recognize Carla Chips. We have some good stuff to say about you. You always do get the well now we'll just stick with the good stuff tonight. All right so this is a proclamation by the mayor and the city of Mansfield in our council. Whereas, Carla Jutsson is ending an illustrious career as CEO and president from Meals on Wheels of Tarant County after 50 years of service to others, and whereas she established and celebrates 25 years of a Meals on wheels of Tarant County, Mansfield, Distribution Site, and whereas Ms. Jutsson's hard work, leadership and dedication have improved the quality of life for our most vulnerable neighbors, and whereas Ms. Jutsson has shown unwavering support to the city of Mansfield, Tarant County, and its residents through her work in the community. And whereas Ms. Jensen has exemplified what it means to live a life of service to others. And now, therefore, I, Michael Evans, Mayor of the City of Mansfield joined with the members of the Mansfield City Council to hereby honor and recognize Carla Jutsson and thank her for her dedication to our community and encourage others to do the same. Let us all stand and give this lady a round of applause. Yes, we appreciate you. We appreciate you. I'm very much. All right. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. How you go? Go ahead and give some 50 years. Go for it. Well, I'm a mother and a grandmother, but more or less. I'm also a girls scout leader. So with all of that, I can usually get by with that a mic. Anyway, thank you so very, very much. Yes, it's been 50 years. I started as a child. Child labor, no, that wasn't true. I lie. I am a man's fill resident. So thank you so much. Continue to support Males Home Wheels and all the wonderful things you're doing in the city. You're in it again. Thank you, sir. Come on, let's take a picture. Yes. All right. Three, two, one. Three, two, one. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right, Council, y'all remain. All right, we have Heather Leonard is going to come from the municipal courts staff at this time. Is Leonard is coming? All right. She has a recognition. Go right ahead, Mr. Leonard. The municipal court clerk certification program was established by TMCC, and sponsored by TCCA. It's a three-level education program that allows court clerks the opportunity to advance not only in their professional growth, but their overall knowledge of the court. To receive their level one certification, clerks must attend 40 hours of educational classes and pass a test. One of those classes being a one week boot camp for new clerks held in Austin, Texas. The test is approximately 400 questions and it is administered to gauge the skill level and the clerks understanding of the law, procedure and responsibilities of the court and the court clerk. After many hours of hard work, preparation, dedication, and countless hours of studying, I'm proud to say both Selma and Myra are both level one certified. Congratulations, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. Thank you. We have Myra Suarez. Thank you. Congratulations, C.D. Maim. Thank you. All right. And we have Selma Mad, C.D. Maim. Thank you. All right. We have Salma Madellis. Yeah. All right. Congratulations to you. Come on in. Let's take a take. Come on in. Come on in. All right. 3, 2, 1. We're going to second one. 3, 2, 1. All right. All right. Three, two, one. We're going to second one. Three, two, one. All right. Yay. All right. We have Troy Lestina going to come. All right. You go right ahead. Okay. We will go right back to our seats. Okay. You go right ahead. All right. We have Troy Lestina going to come. You go right ahead. All right. You go right ahead. I want to be thinking of that. Okay. Well, we will go right back to our seats. Okay. You go forward. Right. Thank you, all the way. All right. Here you go. Thank you, Mayor and Council. Sir. For allowing us to present this tonight. Normally, obviously staff would be doing this. We've got double booked a little bit today. And so I've volunteered to come up and just at least tell a little bit about what this particular award is that our community engagement team received. So the Mansfield Cultural Incubator Program is an initiative that was launched back by the city to support local arts and cultural organizations and small business owners since its inception in 2022, but many aspects of the program started in 2019. The program has provided low cost space and administrative and marketing support to cultural arts organizations which hosts public programming at various city-owned facilities, including the Far Best Theater. It's also played a significant role in revitalizing spaces and turning them into vibrant community hubs. Some of the key accomplishments, there's been a 140% increase in space usage at Far Best Theater. There's been a 400% increase in arts patrons showing strong community engagement. 180 events annually at the Far Best Theatre. 24 outdoor events in various parts of town. Over 3,300 patrons served annually at the Far Best Theatre alone. And then events at the Far Best Theatre have generated over $70,000 in ticket sales, which equates to over $130,000 in local economic impact spending. And so that's one of the reasons why this award was given to the, or given by the International Economic Development Corporation, our Council for our particular program here. And some of those key takeaways that the judges thought were important and innovative for a city are the programs influence extends beyond just providing space. It has reduced the city's facility programming and staffing costs while producing more community events offering in kind support to small business owners in the arts and fostering a collaborative arts community. And so this was kind of that process that started us on the cultural arts master plan, right? Health has helped try to revitalize downtown, bring more folks downtown. And this will continue as downtown grows. Just wanted to give you guys that update and we're appreciative of them and thank for what they do on a daily basis. Thank you, sir. We appreciate it. All right, at this they do on a daily basis. Thank you, sir. We appreciate it. All right, at this time we'll prepare for citizens' comments. Those citizens that are wishing to address the council and non-public hearing agenda items and items that are not on the agenda, may do so at this time. Due to regulations of the Texas Open Meeting Act, please do not expect a response from the council as we're not able to do so. This will be your only opportunity to speak unless you're speaking on a scheduled public hearing item. After the close of the citizen comments portion of the meeting, only comments related to public hearings will be heard. All comments are limited to five minutes and I do have cards. I'll call first Miss Melissa Perez. You please come and you have five minutes, ma'am. My name is Melissa Prez and I live at 111 VanWare Street. Good evening, Mayor Evans and City Council members. I've lived in this city my entire life. Raise my children here and now my grandchildren, who attend Mansfield Independent School District, are being raised here as well. My deep connection and love for this city brings me here today. My husband and I make it a priority to stay informed about our local government's actions because the decisions made here directly impact us as residents and business owners. We want to ensure that our tax dollars are being used in ways that genuinely benefit our community. Recently, I learned about the Jaguar Dinn Grand Opening at Summit High School. A food pantry initiative involving the Terrent Area Food Bank, Mansfield ISD, and the City of Mansfield. I was surprised to hear about this project. As I hadn't heard anything about the partnership in any of the prior school board or City Council meetings which spurred me to attend. This lack of transparency raises concerns as trust between our government and citizens is built on open communication. During the opening Mayor Evans you stated on behalf of the City of Mansfield, Texas, in partnership with our friends at MISD, HEB, and Terrent-Ari Food Bank in the entire community. The statement suggests that you are there representing not only the entire City Council, but also the entire community in this partnership. If that is the case, why were City Council members not informed and why was the school board not properly consulted? Not only were there no Council members present for this initiative, but I am also under the impression that only two school board trustees were aware of the project as well. This particular high school is located in Arlington, so is Mansfield contributing financially to this project? Was the decision made without full transparency to our local administration and elected representatives? This lack of communication raises serious concerns about how decisions are being made and whether our elected representatives and the community are being properly informed and involved in the process. We often hear you speak of teamwork and cooperation, but these actions feel more like decisions made, being made without the full participation or knowledge of our elected representatives. Additionally, Mansfield already has a well-established food bank that supports over 10 of our local food pantries. Helping families in our community move towards independence and self-sufficiency. Why are you all pushing so hard to partner with the Terrent Area Food Bank when our local resources already do this important work? These Mansfield organizations don't just provide food, they build pathways for a stronger, more resilient community. Something we should be teaching our hospital students, not a dependence on outside organizations or government programs. Was harvesting in Mansfield Food Bank consulted about this project? What role does the Terrent-Ary Food Bank play? And why was the outside organization prioritized over a trusted local Mansfield entity? It is essential to know that oversight, what oversight exists to ensure that if city funds and the public has been in a state of emergency and the public has been in a state of emergency and the public has been in a state of emergency and the public has been in a state of emergency and the public has been in a state of emergency and the public has been in a state of emergency and the public has been in a state of emergency and the public has been in a state of emergency and the public has been in a state of emergency and the public has been I'm here to not to ask for transparency and clear answers. I urge the Council and Mayor Evans to act with openness and accountability. The people of Mansfield deserve to know that their elected officials are acting in the best interest of the community, not for personal or political gain. We are all invested in Mansfield's success and the best way forward is through clear honest communication. Thank you for your time, and thank you for all that you do for our wonderful city that we call home. I appreciate you. God bless you. Thank you. All right. Mr. Tom Corbin, if you will please come. No, Mr. Tom Corbin, sir. Tom Corbin. You welcome, go ahead. Mr. Tom Corbin Mr. Tom Corvin, will you please come? It's there here All right, and may I request that the time keeper give me a one minute warning before the end of five minutes? Yes, sir. All right. Thank you. Good evening, everyone. I believe I know everyone except our new Councilman here. And I would like to speak on a matter of public concern. During June, citizens became aware that the city administration had violated public policy by entering into a contract with a recently retiring city councilman. Beginning with the city charter, which is the constitution for this city. Since 1975 provision 3.08 a has established a one year separation between a councilman and what is commonly known as employment or appointment to a certain situation. Now there's some certain words there, I'm not gonna go into detail on, but essentially there's gotta be that separation. It's public policy. The city charter requires it. The city charter is here for the citizens. It can only be amended by the citizens voting. It cannot be changed by ordinance resolution or any other decision by the city administration or the city council. That's unfortunate that the City Council has been put in this situation. There seems to be a stalemate, which I'll go into in a moment. But let it be said that that that can be cured, I believe, and a reasonable resolution can be made to this. As I said earlier, I'm Tom Corbin. I have been in this community since 1975. I've been elected mayor three times. I have been the chairman of the Charter Review Commission. I've been the vice chairman of the Zoning Board of Adjustment. And I have served this community. It is with a great regret that I see our constitution violated as I interpreted. In a few minutes I will describe the history of the violation and describe certain sections of the city charter that can both describe this violation and maybe cure it. First of all this is a home rule city as I mentioned earlier. It's for the citizens and that foundation of our government is by the citizens. The area that I want to dwell on a little bit can be considered in several statutes or excuse me, per sections of the charter. And in particular, I'm gonna go into, I see I have about two minutes left, sections 307 and 308. 307 gives ultimate power to the City Council to resolve matters of this nature and to protect the city. There are some exceptions, but these exceptions work both ways. 308A prohibits a Councilman from office one year before he can seek a contract or employment with the city for compensation. However, the secret to this or the key to this resolution is item B, appointment or removal, which says in brief that the city manager can hire his staff, he can fire his staff, people that work for him can hire staff and fire staff. And the city council has no participation in that And that's the stalemate. However, all people on this board here probably have run into exceptions in contracts. As usually says, provided however, or accept, there is that provision in here in B. It says that they hire fire, they're empowered to a point, unless otherwise provided in this charter. It is provided in this charter. It's provided in the prior paragraph that says a councilman cannot be rehired or contract with the city. That's your exception. You have this stalemate can be broken by you all exercising your authority. You have this stalemate can be broken by you all exercising your authority. You have that power There is not this that the city manager car hire and fire anybody and that you all can't do anything about it The exception goes back to that Provided however in this charter now what I studied two other cities They don't have that exception So I think that maybe what we're operating on. And I will warm this down by saying that you have probably learned something new tonight. I am hoping that this city council has the stamina to reverse this. There are some options. I'm aware of those. I'm not going to mention them. I'm available. Thank you. Thank you. All right. All right. We have Tim Milligan. Police state your name, sir, and your address. Tim Milligan, 1035, Supper's Point, Mansfield, Texas. All right. It is a great day to be a veteran in Mansfield, Texas. And to support some of our veteran causes, I want to bring you attention to a handout that I think I provided up to the front. It talks about the Bethlehem Baptist Church, which I advocate for, but I don't represent them. But they're having a veteran benefit seminar. And years ago I think they started it and then the city and some of us copied it and have really tried to grow it where we're servicing in these seminars more than a hundred at these sessions. That's a lot. Just this week, late last week I got a call from Tennessee from a city that says, hey, how can we do seminars? Because we can't get the code cracked the way we're doing it today. They said, do you mind if we send a representative to the next seminar just to see what you're doing? It's a problem. We're glad to have you. Come on. I just saw Cedar Hill is trying to launch some seminars for veterans. So if this is contagious, that's fabulous. But I want you to take a look at the back and see who all's fabulous. But I want you to take a look at the back and see who all's coming. Everything from mental health to any assistance that you need with housing to getting your medical stuff squared away to getting yourself a dog, or I guess you could have cats, but probably stick with dogs. But any of those services are there. And the interesting thing is, see those VSOs right in the middle? They are the key to getting veterans, the benefits that they earn and they deserve. So I'd ask if you get a chance, come by, if you don't have time yourself and you know a veteran, send them because it is a worthy, worthy cause to take care of that. The other thing that I'd like to mention is in November, we are bringing the Vietnam Mobile Wall to Mansfield. Now just in case you've forgotten, there's 58,281 names on that wall. We're gonna put it up over here at the shops abroad. We're gonna make it special. But we had to kind of get into Q to get the wall coming. It'll be put up on a Thursday and it'll go through the weekend of the veteran parade. And then we'll take it down on Sunday. But I would invite you to come and see that and experience that. If you haven't been to Washington DC and seen the big one, you should go to this one because it will be a moving experience. And on that Saturday, the ninth, we're gonna try to do something special for our veterans, maybe feed them and invite you down when you're down to what you're parading. Come down and hang out with some of those guys and gals and experience that as best we can. So those are the only things I have on my agenda. I'd love to see you there. And I know that I will because this city and this team supports veterans at every turn. So thank you very much. Thank you, sir. All right, Mr. Thomas Koke. And you'll help me to pronounce that. Dr. Koke, all right. Your goalie perfect, sir. Leaving me your evidence, council members, city of Mansfield. Thank you for allowing my presentation. I'm Dr. Thomas Goley, trauma medical director at Mansfield Medical Center, and beyond, then I'm honored to speak with you on behalf of Methodist Mansfield. I'm glad to announce a significant milestone for our service to this community. On September 11th, Methodist Mansfield Medical Center expanded its trauma care services with trauma surgeons now available on-site in-house around the clock 24-7365. This advancement enhances our ability to provide immediate life-saving care when seconds matter most to our community and those who suffer severe traumatic injuries as a level two trauma medical center. What does this mean for Mansfield? First, it means faster critical care. With trauma surgeons ready at all hours, we can respond swiftly to emergencies, significantly reducing response times and improving patient outcomes. Second, it ensures major trauma treatment close to home rather than needing to transfer our patients to other facilities outside of our community, we can provide expert care right here, keeping families together during difficult times reducing the stress of travel. Additionally, our highly trained trauma team, including emergency room physicians, trauma general surgeons, vascular surgeons, trauma, general surgeons, vascular surgeons, orthopedic surgeons, and another cadre of surgeons and professionals paired with the state of the art AI technology is equipped to handle a wide range of complex injuries. Our goal is to give every patient the best possible chance of full recovery. This advancement also boosts community safety. Local first responders can rely on us as a trusted partner in emergency care, allowing us to work together more efficiently to safeguard the well-being of all trauma patients. Our expanded services are already making a tangible difference in the lives of those we serve right here in Mansfield. We are grateful for your ongoing support and we look forward to continuing our mission of providing high quality, compassionate care for everyone here in Mansfield. Thank you, sir. Thank you. I think that calls for a round of applause. That's a big time. All right. Andrea McMillan comes at this time. Stay true to your name and address. Good evening. The steam members of City Council and thank you for the opportunity to speak. I'm Andrew McMillan and I own Andy Mack Candy, Shacken downtown Mansfield. As many of you know, Haunt the Block has been a well-loved event in our community over the past few years. Families have come to know at it as the highlight of the season, but this year we have an exciting opportunity to take it to the next level. By closing Main Street we believe we can elevate the experience, making it safer, more walkable, and more enjoyable for everyone who attends. One of City Council's priorities has been creating a more walkable downtown as we see this year's event as the perfect chance to align with that goal. Closing Main Street will allow families to move freely and easily between activities without worrying about traffic. This makes the event more accessible, encouraging longer stays, and create a better environment for vendors and local businesses alike. By showing the success of this year's changes, we also set the stage for future growth. Closing Main Street enhances the events appeal, not only for the attendees but for potential sponsors. With this added value, we can build relationships that help secure funding from local businesses and organizations in the future. Reducing the or even eliminating the need for city funding in the years to come. Speaking of funding, I'd like to emphasize that our request this year is minimal compared to other events have needed. We focus solely on the essential safety measurements, barricades and police presence to ensure that families can enjoy the event in a safe, walkable, secure environment. With Main Street closed, we anticipate an even higher turnout this year. More families will feel comfortable attending, which means more fit traffic to vendors and local businesses. This fits perfectly with the city's focus on economic activation for downtown Mansfield and helps strengthen the local economy. By investing in making Hauntablock more walkable and accessible, the city will not only support a beloved community event, but also help foster a stronger, more vibrant downtown culture, something that benefits both residents and businesses long after the event is over. Lastly, I want to stress the importance of safety. This is a family-friendly event. Our goal is to protect our children and attend attendees from dangerous traffic through downtown. Closing Main Street is not only about improving the event, it's about ensuring our community can enjoy a safe, walkable, welcoming event. Haunted Block is an important tradition for Mansfield. This year, with the support, we can make it even better. By closing Main Street, we create a more walkable, safe, friendly atmosphere that aligns with the city goals and sets the stage for future growth and sponsorship. Thank you for your time. Thank you, ma'am. All right, Ms. Nian Rosak. Please state your name and your address, ma'am. My name is my address. Thank you for calling on me, Mr. Mayor and City Council. Thank you for the opportunity to voice my opinion about some of the things happening in historic downtown. So I own Sunshine Yelga Shack and we moved to Main Street a year and one month ago. Within that time, like the first two weeks that I had moved to Main Street, someone crashed their car in the Western hippie at the end of the street. So we had Haunt the Block in October and I was a wonderful event and we had thousands of people on Main Street between Broad and Oak. And there were so many people, there was not enough room on the sidewalks, and it did have spillover onto the street, and it is a dangerous situation. Every day at my yoga studio, when my patrons walk across the street to get coffee, it's dangerous. I see people and I holler at them, I'm like, please go to the crosswalk. Wait to cross coffee, it's dangerous. I see people and I holler at them. I'm like, please go to the crosswalk. Wait to cross main because it is dangerous. And just today I saw on the news that there was a high speed chase and someone crash and committed suicide on Broad Street in 360. There are a lot of unsafe things that happen in our city, even though we have the finest police force, the best city council and a beautiful city. But I'm asking you that we don't wanna close, broad or main street completely. We want to redirect traffic to go on oak, down Smith, and on the opposite side to Broad. So there's not really a closure at all. Just a redirection. Much like we would have when we have the roundabout. A lockable city is very important for the growth of the city. It's also important for the residents' health and well-being. I believe there are many studies that prove that having a walkable city leads to extended health into the hundreds, so you can live to be a hundred. So that's what I have to say about it, and I appreciate you having me to be a hundred. So that's what I have to say about it, and I appreciate you having me to talk this evening. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. All right, Ms. Kim Mullins. Good evening. My name is Kim Mullins. I live at 1028 Kingston Drive. I'm here to speak on agenda item 24-6177 and speak in support of the community activation grant request made by Mansfield Business Alliance. Haunt the block has been a well-attended event and safety is a concern for people bringing their families. We want to increase walkability downtown, but do it in a safe manner because the children of our city are going to be there dressed up in their costumes and to have fun. The street closing is important so that families can have safe access to our cities downtown and support the businesses down there that need our support. It will also allow for more vendors which will reduce or eliminate Mansfield business alliances need for asking the city for future funding. We want our city to be safe and closing the street seems like it would be a very important idea for that night. It's not for that long and it's on a Thursday night. So I appreciate your time and consideration. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. All right, the last car that we have will be Mr. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. All right, the last car that we have will be Mr. Joseph Jenkins. I'm sure I did the business order. All right. Happy day. All right. Thank you very much. All right. We will move at this time to item 10, which is our council announcements. Miss short. Yes, ma'am. All right. Mr. Brosh. Mr. Tenora. Mr. Frascas. Son for me, Mayor. Mr. Newsom. None sir. Ms. Bounds. None for me, Mayor. All right, none for me. All right, we'll move on to item 11, which is staff comments. Are there any staff comments, sir? Mayor, there are earlier this evening we were to have a work session on impact fees, roadway impact fees specifically. We didn't have time to do that so we're going to go ahead and move into that right now. Sounds good. So we can bring that up for them. Adam are you going to start this one or Matt? Are you going to start this one? Go take it. I think Mayor City Council just wanted to give you a brief update on where we are with our roadway impact fees. So this is as you're aware, we do this analysis every five years. It's based on the capital improvement plan as well as the thoroughfare plan and then the future land use plan and the assumptions for the growth within our city. So we're required to look at those every five years. We did that back in 2015 and adopted at that time what was 55% of the maximum allowed. In 2022, the roadway impact fee update was presented by Kim Lee Horn. In November of 2022, we presented it for adoption by staff, where we recommended the 55% of the maximum scope. Back in June of 23, the new roadway impact fee schedule was adopted, and then back in June 2024, one year later, rather, the roadway impact fees were brought up back to a staff's attention that maybe those could use some adjusting. So in August of this year, we made a presentation of those, and so tonight we just want to present what staff recommends moving forward with the amendments to the fees as they're adopted for 2023. And the goal of this is really to align our impact fees with our target industries, as our economic development policy considers them. And so these are the land use categories that we would recommend lowering the fee, as to provide an incentive for these types of uses to come into the city and relocate. So you'll see here it's a mix of uses from hotels to hospitals, medical office, corporate office, and then a handful of restaurants in some retail. So with that, you can see what the adopted rate is for the service areas A through D, and then the percent reduction or the percent of that fee and what the proposed rate would be based off staff's recommendation. So this is not for any action tonight. This is just an update where we are. If you are okay with this direction, we would bring an ordinance back for your consideration that would actually adopt these new fees. Sounds good, all right, on my right. Any questions, suggestions, statements on my left? You're about to good? Thank you, sir. It was good to hear about lowering stuff. Good job. All right. Go ahead, Joe. What else do we have, sir? We're gonna bring Heather back up here to talk about youth event, power of youth event. All right. Right. Good evening Mayor, Council, City Manager. We are here tonight to present an upcoming event. And that's actually the Court's first event called the Power of Youth. This coming Thursday night, September 26th, the Court, police and fire department. We have teamed up with mothers again, strong driving to empower, influence and provide tools to our youth to help them make the right choices and to resist peer pressure. One of the court's main goals is to help raise traffic safety awareness. And through this presentation, we're hoping to reach not only our youth, but our defendants and citizens that come and show them that they have the power to take a stand and to influence their peers to do the same. We're also using this event to encourage our defendants who have a community service agreement with the court to fulfill some or even all of their community service hours by attending and by allowing them this opportunity it not only helps them to come into compliance with the court but it offers them knowledge that they can take with them to share with others and influence them. So we are very excited for this opportunity. We're very grateful to the police department and the fire department for teaming up with us to do this event and we are looking forward to hearing them speak on Thursday night. So that's it for us. Thank you. Good deal. Thank you, ma'am. All right, sir. And Mayor, we just have one more man. Matt's going to come back up and talk to us about an update on Trinity Metro. Thank you, Mr. Smolinsky. City Council, this is just an update again this evening. Based on our Trinity Metro right share update, we'll be bringing you this date monthly to take a look at. So we reviewed last month's week one through five and so we'll present week six through nine this evening. You can see the start date here is August 19th across the board. You can see the number of rides per day, the number of unique riders that made up those rides the wait time and then the on time percentage of the vehicles. So I'll briefly run through these. Let me know if you have any questions. And again, this is just an update to give you an idea where we are with the utilization of the program. So you can see here week 7th, which was run from August 26th through August 30th. Week 8, you'll notice on Labor Day there was no service as they don't provide those on major holidays for the contract. And then again in week nine. So you'll see there's a variety of number of rides and then the unique riders based on the day. Still about a 20 to 30 minute wait time on average and about 38 unique riders per day use the system So again, here's the over nine week overview of the number of riders or number of rides Excuse me. So you can see a peak there in the beginning kind of leveled off and then just kind of a steady slight down tick since week seven. Here's the number of unique riders. So again, we had saw peak around the launch of the program, kind of a leveling out. And then this is where about 38 riders a day, unique riders a day are taken advantage of the program. Here are the active accounts. So these are the number of active accounts on the system within Trinity Metro using that platform. With that mayor, I'm available to answer any questions you have again, this is just an update. No actions required tonight. All right, to my left. Any questions, statements? To my right. Thank you, sir. We do appreciate it. All right, sir. Is that it? If it is, all right, we'll move, we'll move to item 12. Is there any action to take pursuant to executive session? All right, hearing none, saying none. Good, we'll move to item number 13. That is, our consent agenda, all matters under consent agenda may have been, they have been previously discussed, require little or no deliberation or considered to be routine by the Council of Discussion and Discires then and item will be removed from the consent agenda and considered separately. Otherwise approval of the consent agenda authorizes the City Manager to implement each item in accordance with the staff's recommendation council. Are there any items that need to be removed at this time on On my left? Oh good, on my right. All right, all is well, then I am ready to receive a motion. Move to approve. Thank you. Mr. Chair. All right, Ross and Tenoa, thank you. Questions? Hearing none, please cast votes. Item carries, 7- boats. Item carries 70. Thank you very much. All right, we move now to item number 14. That is our public hearing, first and final reading, item 24-6215, it's an ordinance. Public hearing first and final reading on an ordinance of the City of Mansfield, Texas, amending chapter 51 sewer and water service by amending section 51-095. Definitions section 51-097, capital improvement plan, water impact fee amending section 51-098, capital improvement plan for sewer impact fee amending section 5 1.099, land use assumptions amending section 5 1.100 impact fees assessed approving amendments to the land use assumptions capital improvement plan for water and sewer adopting revised water and sewer impact fees for the City of Mansfield. Texas, asset forth herein, providing for the repeal of all ordinances and conflict, providing a severability clause, providing for publication, and providing an effective date, Mr. Price. That's not your your rainbow. Sir, I'm going to fill in for Mr. Carp. Mr. Price this evening. Yes sir. So thank you mayor and council. We're back to present the adoption of the water and the results of our water and wastewater impact fee study. So essentially this is revising or presenting amendments to the land use assumptions, the capital improvement plans, the tenure plans for both water and wastewater, and then adopting a revised water and sewer these fees. We've had the recommendation of the Capital Improvements Advisory Committee. That was presented last time with the discussion. We presented what we have as the maximum fee that we're allowed to adopt. And you have that up at the top in the center there. The 2024 update, those are our maximum allowable. On the left is our current fee that's charged and on the right is the recommendation that came from the CIA. Last time when we talked there's a request for some benchmarking, I believe everyone was sent that in the biweekly report. So I hope that was helpful to review some of these other meter sizes and what these fees mean once they're extrapolated to the larger meter sizes for the different businesses beyond or different uses beyond just residential. So as you see here is the synopsis at the top just like I stated. And then the bottom chart has all of the different meter sizes with the current assessed fee, the current maximum allowable. And then a percentage of that that's equivalent to that CIC recommendation. And so at the last meeting I believe there was consensus that we would bring this back with an ordinance that essentially adopts the $3,500 for the water and the $3,000 for the wastewater for a total of $6,500 for the 3 1,400 meter. And then you can see the fees there for the larger meters as they're presented. So with that, we also have members from Freyston Nichols, and we'll be happy to answer any questions that you might have. All right, thank you, sir. All right, questions, okay, Mr. Fesquez. I just want to say that thank you to Mr. Kaufman and Mr. Price for putting those additional comparisons together. From the request I had last council meeting, they definitely I think show the need and that we're in a good position compared to our local cities. So thank you for that additional insight. Great, thank you. Yeah, all right, anyone else on my right? About my left. Any questions? All right. All righty then, Wisconsin, I will open the public hearing at 655 p.m. Do we have any cards, ma'am? No cards. All right, I will close the public hearing at 6.55 PM. And I will call for motion. Motion to approve. Thank you, Ms. Bounds. Thank you, Ms. Fresquez. All right, please cash evokes hearing nothing. All right, that item carries 7.0. All right, we move now to item 15, public hearing continuation. Second and final reading, item 24, dash 6107, it's an ordinance. Public hearing, continuation, second and final reading. On an ordinance, approving a change of zoning from a single family residential district to plan development district for commercial and single family residential uses on approximately 10.574 acres described as block one. Lots one and two are of the RW Roberts edition, Terrent County, Texas located at 650 and 700 North Holland road. 1020 adventures LLC is the developer. All right, Mr. Rodriguez. Good evening, Mayor and Councillor Arden. Good evening, sir. Arden, we meet Rodriguez with the Planning Department here at City of Man's Hill. As it's customary, typically when we have a second hearing, staff will ask the council if they would like to hear a presentation. I think in light of some of the feedback we heard last time, staff is prepared to provide that presentation in order to update council on those items. We can focus on those items. I can go over a little bit of the presentation again just at council's discretion. All right. Feel free to focus on those items. Council is that okay with you? All right. All right, all right. Thank you, sir. Go ahead. Just for the audience, I'll make sure to present this as the overall aerial view. The property here is about a 10 acre site. The zoning is currently SF 1222. The future land use does identify this as a mixed use local. As mixed use local, it's intended to bring low and medium-scale development to the city of Mansfield that also provides for pedestrian activity and a mix of uses. Here are a couple of the sites of the site as it sits today. This is the current site plan. We'll go into some more details here in just a few moments. But just to again, jog some memory, the case used to be a 2.9 acre only retail development. This case came to the council in 23. At that time the case was denied because there was a desire to look at making sure there's a holistic approach to development in the area including the remaining seven acres outside of this 2.9. In July, the developer came to the city's planning and zoning commission with the plan that you see here. This plan shows attached row houses. Because there was some concern about the intensity, we've landed on this development plan here and this is the development plan within your packet. This does propose for 40 foot lot detatch single family. It does propose a phasing plan that requires the 10,000 square feet of retail to be completed prior to the issuance of any permit for construction of the small lot development. So that's a lot that's 40 acre. I'm sorry, 40 feet wide. The developer has provided these elevations for the commercial, which you saw last time, which provide for shopfronts, masonry, a faux second story so that there's that bulk along Holland Drive or Holland Road. The developer has also provided a central civic space within the development. In order to combat Monotny, they've provided a lot diversity plan that looks like the one that you see here on your screen. And finally, one of the topics that was brought up last time was the inclusion of elevations as we move forward. What was presented last time was the Colby Crossing character images that you see on your screen today. The developer has worked through some of their architectural plans in order to provide the elevations that you see here. There was also a question last time about the overall 40-foot lots. We've made sure that the PD also specifically states that those lot standards are 440-foot lot minimum in the development. With that, and in summary, the zoning request is consistent with the mains fill 2040 plan. It's consistent with the strategic priority set forth by the city council. It provides for that thousand square foot phasing of commercial to be done prior to any of the small lot development. And the residential intensity has been adjusted since this case came to planning and zoning commission. As stated earlier, when this case did come for the first hearing, it was voted on by the city council, five to one. During those deliberations, the elevations were requested. The elevations have since been provided and staff was also provided, has provided better outlines of the 40 foot lot product again in light of that comment that came up last time as well. With that, staff does recommend approval is currently presented and I'm available for any questions that the council may have I thank you all still on my left counsel any questions from mr. Rodriguez mr. Ross you good No, we're if I had a comment I would would just say this reminds me a good bit of what we Some of us all up in the alliance back a few months ago. It was really, to me it was a very nice set up. It's a good deal. Thank you, Mr. Bros. I'm all right. I'd go ahead, Mr. Newsom. Yeah, already could you pull up the landscape for me? What do you have it? I don't have the landscape plan in your presentation. The landscape plan is exhibit C within your attachments. Yeah, and that's what I'm looking at. Maybe I don't look at these in great detail too too often. However, I don't see any references. I see where the legend indicates canopy trees, but I don't see any references, I see where the legend indicates canopy trees but don't see any locations of those canopy trees on the landscape design. In the PD standards and I can point to that if, give me just one second. We have made sure that on the single family side, that there is a front yard tree along this area here. So although it's not shown on the plan that you see here that I'm drawing on, we have required that each one of the front yards have a tree. That gives you a spacing of about one every 40 feet, which is what we would typically have with a Canopy tree in general and then I do believe give me one second I'm gonna try to Try to see if I can can read some of the trees. Me she's there for you Some of the canopy trees that are included within this plan include the cedar Elm, the Burr Oak, the Lace Park Elm, as well as the, looks like it says, Saltooth Oak. No, no, I mean, I can read that part. What I'm used to seeing is actual locations of where the plantings will go. They have the locations for all of the juniper, but that's the only true location of any item planting that's even on the landscaping plant. Always the one that's in my packet. Within the landscape plan, there is the landscaping that occurs along here, which does look to be the canopy trees. Again, within the PD language, there is a accommodation for those to be spaced every 40 feet for each one of the single family homes. So that would be the same on this edge as well. What about the commercial? The commercial does not have those, and we can definitely make sure that we add that type of language as, especially a long Holland drive. I think space at 40 feet long-haul and drive is definitely a standard that should, or could be done there. I mean, that and even the green spaces and or the area around the fountain. I mean, there's a lot of green space to not have any trees indicated at all. I think those are all lines. I think those are all lines. I can only go about what I'm looking at. I mean, I understand that, but generally speaking, you know, we tend to hold people or reference the landscaping design that was submitted in the packet. So if there's something different, I guess I'd just not see it. So from a street tree standpoint, the ordinance definitely covers us and that's what we're intending to administer here. The PD standard state that the landscape plan, which is not the final landscape plan, that the final landscape plan will be reviewed and approved by the director of planning prior to the approval of that. I do believe that it is the intent of the developer to provide those street trees and we can definitely make sure that they indicate those along the western edge of the green space as well. All right can you can I deliver please come forward to confirm that. All right. This state your name sir and your address. Yes hello uh Karam Khalil 305 Regency Parkway in Mansfield, Texas. I want to start off by saying my apologies because we have probably V31 written on this document from how many versions we've had on this project. It's been about three years of a lot of back and forth, so these details regarding what you spoke on for the trees were 100% ready to commit to what's necessary to make this project a class A project, which is our intent from what you guys see. So yes, we can commit to that. Okay, thank you. Thank you. And specifically council member, I'm hearing that the tree spacing along this edge, along this edge. Again, every edge of the development as well as those trees that are necessary around the civic space are all places that will make sure that those trees come in as the and we're going to have to open the public hearing and we're going to have to open the public hearing and again every edge of the development as well as those trees that are necessary around the civic space are all places that will make sure that those trees come in as the plan is finalized. Okay. Thank you. All right. Good job.m. We have any cards, ma'am. I will close the public hearing at 7.06 p.m. and I will call for a motion. Move to approve. Thank you, miss short. A second. Thank you, Mr. Brosh. All right. Any statements, questions? Hearing none, please cast your votes. And the item carries 7-0. Thank you very much. All right, we move now to item number 16, new business. Item 24-6177, consideration of a community activation grant application made by the Mansfield Business Alliance and Miss Rachel Bagley comes. She's right there behind you. I mean, no disrespect. No, that's not taken. Thank you Mayor, this is a consideration for the activation grant made on behalf of Mansfield business alliance Rachel Bagley is here with me this evening Here is the details of the event as presented in the application the date of the events October 17th, 2024 From 5 to 8 p.m The anticipated attendance is about 4,000 people We agree with this. Number based off the Place or AI data from 2022 and 2023 is consistent with this estimate. They are requesting as part of this a street closure of Main Street from broad to Oak beginning at 230. And then the city is, we are participating in the event with some attractions along Smith Street as well. We did issue a special event permit from the staff of 2 MBA for this event. And they are here seeking the approval for the grant funding this evening. Rachel is here to answer any detailed questions you may have as well as the applicant is here for consideration as well. All right, thank you very much. Paul on my left, any questions? Go ahead, miss short. We did have a subcommittee meeting about this project earlier, this event, and we had some questions about shutting down the street. And of course, I don't think there's anyone up here that doesn't want our community to be safe. So let me say for sure we're all about safety. This event has happened for several years. We also have to take into consideration all the other residents in Mansfield and shutting the street down at 2.30 in the afternoon on a Thursday. Makes it difficult on a lot of people. So I would like to see if we can talk to our chief of police who's at the back of the room and talk about the necessity of shutting the street down at 2.30. All right. Come on up, chief. Yes, ma'am. So I don't know that we approved that at 230. What we were saying is that we never like to see Main Street shut down at 5 o'clock. We just don't because the traffic is really bad. The young lady spoke earlier about diverting the traffic and that's exactly what would happen. But you still have a lot of traffic going south on Main Street that's going to run into a heavy barricade that then will shift track traffic left and right. And you'll go down first or you'll go down a Smith Street. But we'd originally sent that back to say, hey, we would agree to a little bit later. As we move forward in these shutdowns, I think we probably should come up with a standardized time that says based on our citizens, citizen comments and citizen remarks through these events that if we're going to shut down Main Street, it probably should be from whatever that agreed time is. I've always recommended after six o'clock, just because that five o'clock traffic you're trying to get through the five o'clock traffic, you're trying to get through the five o'clock traffic. Another challenge that happens in shutting down Main Street is we shut down the parking lots, and we also shut down parking on Main Street. So the parking on Main Street, just so you'd be aware, would shut down at 3 a.m. in the morning of. And the reason why we do that is because if there's vehicles parked on the roadway and we can't get a mood during the course of the day, then we have a problem. We end up having to block that car ends because we do not want it to go mobile after the road is shut down. So that's a challenge in itself. We did get a lot of complaints from the business owners last year on that. What I understand this year is they've actually went to each one of the business owners and got a signature from each one of the business owners telling them, hey, this is what we're going to do. But it's difficult to communicate that to all the customers that are showing up. So those are a few challenges. If we could push it a little bit later, that would be much better. I don't have the final approval with me in terms of the special event permit but but I'm sure we we just that behind you. Yeah, that's what we talked about. We talked about doing pushing that time back a little bit. But as we quickly look at this, we don't see it. What time are you suggesting, Chief? If I could, thank you for bringing this up to me. I think it was the subcommittees recommendation that street remain open during that time, so that would be the recommendation from them. We will look to the majority of council to move forward with that. What we could do is agree to work with the chief and his staff, Rachel, her staff, and then the event organizers on a safety plan based on the recommendation of Council whether it's to close the street or keep the street open. Matt, I know we talked about possibly slowing down traffic. Is that something that would work chief? Slowing down traffic as they come over that hill before they make it to. Yes, ma'am, we could still do that. We could take everything down to one lane and slow traffic down. That helps a little bit. At the end of the day, if this garners the participation that it did in previous years, there could be a lot of people down there. And there's no doubt that shutting the roadway down would would definitely be the safest way to do it. I'm just concerned about the timing of that. If it was pushed, if it was pushed to shut it down at six o'clock, as a matter of fact, I actually understood this to start at seven, but obviously it starts at five. I don't know how much participation that we had that early on, and maybe there's some data that we can go and look at. But I was kind of thinking if we could push that, then we could still shut it down, and then make sure, you know there's gonna be kids running back and forth across the street. We've got people already posted in this map that we've developed for that operation to show where we would have officers deployed in those areas. But if it has as many as it did last year, or at least half of that, that could be at least 2000 people that would show up down there. I would just be interested to know what time they showed up last year. Was it at five o'clock, or was it really at seven or six? They started showing up early. Do they? Yeah. They might have spent the same time at each year that I think it's been the same time. I think it's been the same time. I think it's been the same time. I think it's been the same time. I think it's been the same time. I think it's been the same time. I think it's been the same time. I think it's been the same time. I think it's been the same time. I think it's been the same time. I think it's been the same time. and you all will talk about times, but go ahead, Mr. Nor, you are part of that, you all are together, part of the subcommittee. I'm part of the subcommittee as well, but being honest, we didn't have the privilege of hearing from our chief and the subcommittee, and truthfully, in my mind, when it comes to the issue of safety, it should be his call, not ours. So I'm gonna ask you, Chief, what would be your recommendation on shutting the street down during the time frame of this event? No one that there's gonna be 2000 people down there on the minimum. Well, there's no doubt that's gonna be the safest way to do it. I mean, shutting down the roadways, absolutely the safest way to get it done. Again, if, if, and I know that they've got a basically a petition from all of their business owners that, that says they understand this is happening, I would just say that, I know that we all received those complaints last year whenever we shut that down. And it's because it's that five o'clock traffic. You know, that's what's really the killer. Yeah, I do know that the funding, the majority of the funding is based on the police and safety. Yes, sir. That is where the, I think the total amount of the grant was like $7,400 and I'm not sure what percentage of the funding was for police and barricades. Yes, sir, it was a majority, about 5,000 of that was just for overtime for officers. Right. And the reason why is because we're anticipating foot traffic going from main oak, Smith, to Maine and so forth and you'd have that same repeat on the south end. All right. All right. So go ahead. Let me make this statement miss short as well. You know, in regard to, in regard to what the request is, it is important to listen to the chiefs. So there might be, I think, because we have to all do compromise. One is the event is going to take place, right? Right, we're all good with that. So we may need to, we'll talk about compromising. One is the event's gonna happen. Let's hear from the police chief regarding. He said six o'clock. We do know that that pushes the time back. However, safety is very important, you know, without a doubt. So very important. So that's those are my words. That's my statement in regard to that. We know it's going to happen. It compromises key. Miss short. Yes, Mayor. I it's going to happen. Compromises key. Miss short. Yes, Mayor. I was just going to say if the chief recommends shutting down the street, are we able to get some signage out a few days ahead of time so that we can let drivers know they're going to need to. They're going to experience a delay. They need to divert traffic. Yes, ma'am. We'll do that. So we have our electronic signs that we'll put out. And then we'll shut down from pleasant ridge into main. We'll shut that down to one lane to what we'll try to do is slow down traffic because again, they come over that hill. That's right. And they're expecting a green light because everybody is right. And so they're coming over that hill. So then we'll divert traffic. I mean, we can do it. I'm just saying that it is really tough for our citizens at that particular time. OK. Chief, if you're recommending 6 p.m., we'll, again, hopefully you'll work with the shop owners making that happen. I think that what sounds like what we're here in mayor is that people are showing up at 4 o'clock. I get that but that's I think that's where the signage comes in. Yes, right. Also because you can add you can add signage to that. What we don't want though is to be in a situation where we don't have the event at all because we have so many people and then we can't get a consensus up here in regard to the safety because that's something none of us want to live with is a kid getting hurt or something of that nature. So yeah, all right. Okay, anybody else would like to speak on that on my right? I would. Go ahead, man. We for the applicants, we did have several conversations on shutting the road down, keeping the road open, shutting the road down, keeping the road open. We talked about going behind and doing the diversion. We talked about putting some digital signs up that my slow the traffic down, bring it all to one lane like Chief has said. We talked about the hours of the day like what y'all may be looking at because the children come early. So like what Mayor is saying, compromise is really needed here. If we're looking at for the safety of the kids, because there's so many of them, and we're looking at all the traffic coming home at that time, then the compromise would either A or B be to shut it down at 6, 5, 36, so that some of the traffic can go on, we can slow it down, put digital signs up, and then the kids would have that freedom for the street to be opened. Or B, we would leave it open, and we would still add signs for slowing it down, add some curbing, some concrete curbing up at key places so that we wouldn't have to worry about cars running into it, looking at having police officers at key corners to help with some of that. So we went back and forth as a group on what we thought was the best decision for that. And we all agree that the event needs to happen. No doubt. For sure. decision for that and we all agree that the event needs to happen. For sure. But compromise is where we're trying to go with this. So let's do that. I'm going to recommend that we compromise and we have to do that these days. There's not popular anymore. But compromising is I think it's the best thing we need to do here because I think we're going to have a great event. You're going to have thousands of people out there and it's going to be a great time. All right. All right. Mayor, can you clarify what your compromise is? Is it down to one lane till 6 p.m. 6 p.m. Close the street. Yes ma'am. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah, because I think we're in trouble if we don't if we do not close that that street down I don't I don't trust With all due respect and then two officer safety is important as well You know something that we have to consider but All right go ahead. Yeah, I agree mayor I don't want to be a part of that decision. I'd rather cheap make that decision You know, I don't want to be a part of that decision. I'd rather cheap make that decision. But you know, one thing that, Chief, you're going to have to do is you still got to shut down all the parking for the full day on that street. Now hope our business owners are okay with that because although the street will be open from daylight to whenever you choose to shut it down, There will be no parking on that street that day. All right, let me hear from Rachel and then Kim. I don't know if that Kim. You know what I mean? Okay, yes. As a mother of two very small children, a one and a two year old, there is no way that we're going to have our kids come out at 7 p.m. to do some trick or treating. Like they're getting ready for bed by that time. That is just going to be too late for most kids. If I may share my personal experience from this event last year, I did bring both of my children. They were an infant and a one year old at the time, with a double stroller, double wide. I don't know what we were thinking. And we couldn't fit on the sidewalk. So as I had planned and promised many of the businesses downtown that I would come and visit because I helped coordinate this event, I literally couldn't do it. And so we just stayed over at the lot. I think if we're thinking about all of our citizens, we're considering that we have some families in wheelchairs. We have people who have accessibility problems, and I think that they should be considered in this as well. Now that I have an almost three-year-old, she gets away from me sometimes and runs into the street. I would be very nervous to take her to this because, you know, there's just like not some, there's not, not always something we can do to stop them from getting away from us, but I will let one of us speak. Sure, one of us. Part of it with you saying 530, we need time for vendors to load in, set up, and that helps us become physically sustainable for next year, and not needing this grant. So I know that with the compromise, in, set up, and that helps us become physically sustainable for next year and not needing this grant. So I know that with the compromise, that's not the same, but that still comes back to the five o'clock, even if we're fully shutting down at five so vendors can come in to help not need this for next year. Is it healthy if your vendors can come in earlier because they're going to be only curable on any way? Our plan is for're going to be on the curb line anyway? Our plan is for the vendors to be in the middle of the street based on the map I sent in and had approved. Yes. The last I spoke with Officer Wei-Born, he said 230 to 3 would be OK. That was what I had less had approved. All right, Chief. Let's hear from you. the community. All right. Chief, let's hear from you. Mayor at the end of the day, we're going to make the event safe. And if that needs to happen earlier, then it happens earlier, because we want it to be safe at the end of the day. Only thing that it means is two things. One is our commuters in that area. They're going to be diverted.verted and we're gonna catch those complaints and I catch complaints so I'm easy with that right and we're also challenged with our fire department because now our fire department has got a different route that they're taking they're going down but just to be aware that they would go down Broad Street, Duwana Creek and Circle around to access the North you circle around to access the North City of their district anyway. So those are the two things that were up against. At the end of the day, if we need to shut it down earlier, then we shut it down earlier. I don't know that if we're bringing in, if you're trying to get started at five o'clock, I'm guessing right. So why don't we need to be shut down from 230 to five? We can do later as they said in previous years that people are showing up at four. So that gave vendors an hour to load in and be ready if people are showing up early. We can push that time back if that's what works better that we do want. One of the key safe when families are showing up and being able to go to the downtown businesses and spend their money there as well. You know, Mayor, the other thing that we may be up against here is that folks are going to just show up and then the road's not going to be shut down. Sure. And then we're going to be dealing with that. You know, at the end of the day, it's probably better to say, hey, let's advertise a start time of maybe five o'clock, whatever that time is, we advertise that so that our folks don't show up at four o'clock. Our kids don't show up at four o'clock and that's, you know, maybe if we did something like that, that would work. That would work. And so we move the 230 start time, push that time down a little bit further right to maybe 430. It doesn't change the fact that we got to shut down all of the parking spaces. It doesn't change the fact that we don't shut down those parking lots because the parking lot on first street would be shut down and the parking spaces on Main Street would be shut down in that particular block. We wouldn't go south abroad and shut any parking places down, but just those ones. All right, so we're having to be King Solomon here today. Yes, sir. With that being stated, so then what's the start time, Chief? And because we again, we're leaning into law enforcement because we want everybody safe. It sounds like that we can, and correct me from wrong, but it sounds like that we can shut, that it works for you guys if we shut it down at 430, that gives you an opportunity to load in right? Because you only have 10 vendors correct? At this time we're trying for 20 is what we're going for or more. Okay. Again so we can raise funds for the future. Okay well traditionally what happens is even though it's going to be shut down at 430 we start shutting it down a little bit earlier than that. So we could probably work we could probably work with you on that to get those vendors in. And I would also encourage you to put some of the vendors on the curb line right where the vehicles, that's already gonna be shut down. You could use that curb line and it actually helps us. So yeah, you could have some vendors in the middle of the roadway. But that, the mayor's talking about a compromise, that's a great compromise. We start bringing in the vendors and putting them along the curbillon. I would just ask you to stagger those out on either side you mentioned that you couldn't get down the sidewalk. We see that too on these events and we ask people to stay a hundred feet away from the intersections so oak and on broad on the other end. So we should be able to do that mayor and make it a little bit better you think. All right, councilor, are you hearing? What's the chief of saying? Go ahead, Mr. Luzon. No, I mean, I agree. I just, a couple of things on point. I think this is the first time many of us have had anything communicated about vendors being in the middle of the street or anything, it's nothing on anything that we've received. I mean, it shows the start time on the application as five. I'm assuming that that is still a valid start time. So one, I'm glad Chief is, you know, indicating what's a safety protocol and what would be best. I'd like to see this a little bit more tight next time as far as what's going on the conversations happening a lot sooner and a lot more clear. That's one comment. Thanks. I'm sure. All right. Anybody else on my right on my left. We're good. We're good. All right. We're good. All right. I'm going to say you always and good shagman, both sides of mad at you. One question, think we're good. Would we open roads back up? We open roads back up, wenchie? Well, it sounds like that's over with it, hey, correct? So it usually takes us 30 minutes or an hour to get it open back up. So we're dealing with a contractor on barricades. we have hard bearer case which we own through the city. So those will get moved fairly quickly. And what we do is as soon as that shuts down, then the vendors need to load out. So usually they're loading up and they're ready to pull out of there, but we gotta get rid of the foot traffic before we can open it back up. So if it's over the eight, we're probably cleaned up and out by nine, nine 915, something like that. Right. Then answer your question, Mr. Ross, by 930, sounds like. Go ahead, Mr. Short. Down from 4 to 9. Yes, ma'am. Anytime that we shut down a roadway like that, especially at that five o'clock, we want to back up so that we can start diverting that traffic even earlier than that. So we'll shut down pleasant ridge from rain street from pleasant ridge to oak to one lane. That starts slowing the traffic down and then we'll start diverting it shortly after that. All right. Everybody have a good understanding? Good but no. All right. Happy day. All right. I'll call for a motion. Motion to approve. Thank you, Ms. Bounds. Who's going to give me a second? I'll second. All right, there we go, Mr. Nora. Thank you. All right. Call questions. Hearing none, please cash evokes. Item carries, 6-1. All right, we're going to have a hunt the block. Thank you very much. And item 17. Motion to adjourn. On cue there we go. Thank you, sir. Mr. Newsom, did we get a second? Second. All right, Mr. Fesquez. All right. I'm sure we don't have any questions about that. Mr. Brosch. All right, I'm sure we don't have any questions about that. Mr. Brosch, all right, and I don't care if 7-0. Thank you very much. You all have a great evening. Yep, 7-30 on the dot. We're done. Thank you.