General, let's see here, it's about five minutes after four. Ladies and gentlemen, please join us for the August 19th, 2024 workshop meeting. And it is now 4.5 pm and we're getting underway if you'll join me with the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the people of black, I don't unite states of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberties and justice for all. Is there anyone in the audience would like to offer an opening prayer? Seeing no one will take a moment of silence. Thank you. Madam Clerk. Mayor Gray. Here. Nice mayor Ansky. Here. Councilman Lehman. Here. Councilwoman Hanchard. President Dan Smith on itsman. Here. Councilwoman Hanchard. Present. Dance Mayor Thonett's officer. Here. Got a warrant, held at work's manager. Here. Cheese Gagliole. Here. Captain Bray. Here. Billi DeNassey Wreckers-Clarer. Here. Shonda McLean. Thonett's officer. Here. on Monday of the 12th, 2024 and amended on Wednesday of the 14th to correct the time of the meeting. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Item number one, FY201425, proposed budgets. General Fawn, 1A, who would like to begin with this BR illustrious financial officer? That would be me, Mr. Mayor, thank you. All right, thank you, Jane. Council, this is version four of your proposed budget. It's one of the beautiful highlights of the monon detail. Ooh. Oh, fine, I need to tell just a start, just thank you. Okay. As far as this version goes, we're still at rollback rate, 5.3557. I'm still missing just a few things, mostly as far as the revenues, the two gas taxes. As I sit on the highlights, the 5th St. Gas Tax would have no impact when it does come in, but the sixth impact, sixth-set gas tax could have an impact on any surplus that I might be showing at this time. It could increase it, it could decrease it depending on what comes in. Is that the one-set? That's the sixth-set. Oh, six cents, okay, sorry. The sixth-set gas tax is used for operating expenses in roads and strikes. We just received our insurance amounts for next year and the increase is as projected about 10%. I need to fine tune some numbers, which will be in the version that goes for your first public hearing. So we got that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. There were just a couple. There were just a few changes actually. Primarily to capital. We removed the security system. We added a city-hole server. Typically, that would be funded through General Fund Capital Replacement Reserve. Right now there really isn't enough to fund that, so that's funded just under General Operating Revenues. And we removed captioning as was discussed at the last workshop. And there have been some minor adjustments throughout. A couple of corrections and a couple of increases. And the captioning was just to be clear for the Storten Board and Plain and Commission. One thing I want you to notice on contingency, can you go to page three of those fences? Jim, can I take you back for a second? Sure. Where was the city hall server? What line item was that put under? That would be under I believe a one. It's number 8 15 13. Sorry. 15 13. Yeah in let's see. Yes that's in the clerk's department under 60640. 60640. Thank you. Is it this one as well? Yes, it's okay. Yeah That just helps further kind of justify the capital expenses puts it on Just one picture for you This far Okay. One thing I want to point out to you on page three of the expenses, Council contingency. Right now I'm showing a contingency amount in order to balance the budget, give you a balanced budget. A contingency amount of $97,661, which in essence means you have a surplus of $97,000. I put it there, like I said, to balance the budget. It's really up to council's direction. What you want to do with that $97,000. That's going to change a little bit based on anything additional that comes in between now and the public hearing, but it's not going to change that much and it could even increase. So depending on what you'd like to do with that. You want me to wait or go now? No, go ahead and present what you want to present. Okay. Now it'll be good. Cool,, Jan. What I noticed we're going through this year and last year is $60,000 of that 97,000 surplus was revenue that we took in through ad ballerium taxes last year to pay a contractor to rewrite our comp plan. Yes? No, that surplus is based on brand new expenses and brand new revenue. Okay. Nothing from last year. Okay, let me just, okay, let me word it differently then. One of the line items in this budget is for $60,000 in this coming from ad valorium taxes to pay for a contractor to rewrite our comp plan. All right, so what I'm saying is last year, we hit the taxpayers up to add belorean taxes for $60,000 for this line item. We didn't have a contractor in place, therefore we didn't spend the money. But what we're doing this year is we are taking that $60,000 from the taxpayers through ad belorean taxes again this year. So my opinion is we're double dipping on that item in the ad valorium tax world. What I would recommend is that we pay for that $60,000 line item gets paid for from a reserve that Jan would recommend to us, rather than hit the ad valorium taxes up again for this same item. And that will, that will increase the surplus, the bear with me, that will increase the surplus because Jan will show a revenue coming in from the reserve so it will actually increase the surplus by $60,000. Therefore to continue on with my recommendation so that we don't show that additional surplus that we reduce the millage rate by $60,000 so that it all washes out for the taxpayer. Did I muddle that up? If that, well, no, if that is your- That's my recommendation. Your intention. This might be right. Okay. And so what I'm understanding, you really want to keep the surplus in the $97,000 range. Give or take. Okay. Because by increasing, now what I would do if that was implemented is I would bring $60,000 as a transfer firm reserve which just our general fund unrestricted reserve because this is not a capital expense for a comp plan, a rewrite. It's an operating expense. So there's no issue with that. So the net impact to the budget is zero. Leaving that dollar amount in place. But what you're recommending is we're going to reduce that surplus through the milledrate by 60,000. Correct. So go below roll that rate. Correct. Okay. That's where the vice mayor's at. To me that keeps everything clean and honest. We still have the surplus in Chantishola now. It'd be a wash. Well, I think I think what you're talking about because this was a commitment made no no, that's the time to set the barriers as this was necessary and that's the reason it was included in the budget. Correct. So subsequently since the money was not allocated during that period of time, it's only fair that it only be allocated and spent one time. Correct. And since it's already been allocated, you just carry forward and finish it in the upcoming bus. Correct, right. Family life. I can't. I don't think that's a problem. That doesn't, whoa. I mean, I know it's a paperwork issue, but it sounds to me like you're fulfilling what you promised to do when you went in in the tax fairs. Well, that's what I'm saying. That's what you're fulfilling. In other words, instead of fulfilling it in this particular year that was in the budget, we're going to fulfill the obligation in the upcoming budget. Is that right, Jan? What we're doing? The obligation was made in the last budget by the former county. Yes. Now, we're carrying, we didn't expend it. So now we're going, if we, expend it in this budget, we'll just carry forward the 60,000 that was allocated by the council then to carry out that obligation in this upcoming budget. Is that correct? That's correct. Well, I think that, but can I interject something? Okay, so we go below rollback rate, give back $60,000 to the taxpayer when roads need to be done. I'm going to pitch a road reserve. And I'm good with the road reserve. Okay, so we wouldn't lower the military? No, where I'm at is we would lower the military. Okay, by the $60,000. Because we don't need that money. We're not going to spend it on anything. We have $90,000. No, we don't. What's the number? It would be $37,000. If we give back $60,000, that means I'm taking $60,000 out of that subtracting $60,000 out of that line item, leaving a contingency or a surplus of only $37,000 now. Because let me just say $5,000, I understand. So we have $60,000 in the budget today for that thing. So all we're doing is taking that $60,000. It's already in this budget and we're carrying it forward. I'm bringing in money from reserve to fund it. So where's the money today for it? Out of it. If I keep you dancing, I want to check this. It's coming out of add the loan taxes. If we, if I bring the $60,000 from Reserveium to fund it, that contingency amount now goes up to $150,000, that's what you would see in that line. If I lower the milledrate, it goes back to 97,000. Is that what you want? Correct. 60,000 out of that. No, the 60 is still going to be an expenditure. The 60, we will still show the expenditure in the budget. All right. It just will not be ad valorium taxes that will be, that will be where the revenue will come from. It will come from a reserve that you will bring in, showing on the revenue side. So you don't want the $150,000 to go into a road reserve? No ma'am, no ma'am. What I'm saying is we take the 90 some thousand dollars Okay, and take 50 of that and put into a road reserve would be what my recommendation would be and then Want to increase it even more than that. I'm buying with that Right 50 from 90 so we got 40 thousand000 basically that we would have in contingency. So we would have 50,000 that we would have in a road reserve. We create a new road reserve and then we would end up with around 40,000 in a contingency, which is more than we what we went into this year with. I defer to council and whatever your direction, maybe. Mr. Mayor, Mayor. So if we went along with this, what reserve would we take? And how much is that lowering? Because if we're looking at a reserve that we're getting interest rate of 5% interest on? No, you're not. Okay, so where is this reserve? It's just our unrestricted operating reserve. And I'm so what's that budget number right now? No, I'm sorry. I don't have reserves with me. Okay. At the June workshop, it was about 1.9 million. Okay, so it's that one. That's our reserve that we pay bills out of, we pay payroll out of, we take in all our money. It's just not specifically earmarked for any one pay. And that's where the $60,000 would come from. So not knowing what kind of surplus we're going to end up with this year. I did project a surplus. I truly do believe we'll have a surplus, but until we go through audit, I never know exactly what the final number is going to be. Now, the other amounts that we take from reserves to fund the budget, as long as we have that money already in there, we can proceed with capital projects. But if it's waiting on anything, then we may not be able to do a cabinet project a little later on in the year. So you just kind of have to watch the reserves and wear your app and you're timing. But there should be no issue with accomplishing what counsel is. No funds unrestricted. No funds unrestricted is line 36 of this spreadsheet. 1.28. 1.9. Oh, thank you. Look at the third column over. 1.974. Right. And that was As of June. I'm sorry. I'm going to look up real quick what it is as of now. But if you configure, it's going to be lower by the end of the year. By September 3. And I'm with Ms. Nange. Right. And you and I have had a couple of discussions about the road. Because who was it that said people like seeing where their tax monies are going to. And roads has been our number one concern from our citizens, right? And I'm all for my tax bill be low, of course to me. I mean, I'd love it. But I also know that I have potholes in my own subdivision. I have potholes on the roads. Not that Chad's not doing a good job, please don't think that's bad of me. But for us to only put 50,000 into a road reserve, I think it's just not going to start us off where we need to. And I think if, I mean, how much, and I know I'm putting you on the spot, and I know you've done this for us in the past, but like if, because if we go back to three point what is it two that the reserve the rollback number right now five point the five points sorry three points commissions sorry guys 60,000 won't lower it that much more right so I mean it won't save me it's not gonna save you. I don't want to ballpark water will save you right but 60,000 would virtually just be pennies I can definitely prepare something you know and get it out to council But what did you tell me today that one mill was going to be 251,000? This is only going to go back a few tenths of a mill if that To me, it's not about again. there's no golden mind, save, lore, raise, nothing. It's about making it accurate. Okay, here's a deal with the road. We have this year as funded. Next year as funded, the year after that is funded. So we're in 23, 24 is funded. 24, 25 is funded. 2425 is funded. 2526, the road projects are already out there. It's funded. So we still have two years, we want to keep adding this kind of money as it comes up. It is simply, one I am not for double-dipping on the ad ballerium taxes. All right. If this issue would have never come up, okay, we wouldn't been trying to figure out what to do with this $60,000. It would just be whatever it is. So where I'm at is $50,000, my opinion, is a fine number to start. We don't even have a road reserve. It's a fine number to start. We don't even have a road reserve. It's a fine number to start one. Again, our next two years, they're covered. Can I just ask the other? Absolutely. How are the roads funded two years from now? I'm not presented with anything. I'm just wondering how it's being funded. All I have is- You've got 24, 25, and you've got 25, 26. I do not have 25 26 sure you do I've got 25 for next year and you've got the next year next year a CRA and then the next year after that is the Vot Springs area. I do not have anything in 20 you were given us all those roads were given they were listed They were supposed to be in the capital plan. I've actually seen them in there at one time. And they were getting... Well, I apologize. They're not included. So, lot springs for in 2526 would be coming from what reserved to fund it? I'll talk my head. I don't remember. But I know we had it all in there. It was all in there. I'm sorry, I don't have it on here, so I must have missed it. And I'll have to go back and look. Okay, because you've got it. We've traded emails. We've been up here. Up here in this format. I just have an infirmity, so I can't speak to it. And I apologize for that. I didn't realize that that was showing me 25, 26. I picked up 25 for CRA only. Right, because 25, that is the only one for CRA. Okay, so 26 completely. 26 is not CRA. No, I know, but it is. But we already, when we went through it, we created which roads we're going to do out there. All right. Again, I can't blip off the reserve off top of my head, but we discussed which reserve that would come out of, did the math, I want it was going to leave that reserve, et cetera, et cetera. Okay. I'm going to have I'm sorry. I'm going to have to go back and look because I don't have that information. I don't have to recall that information. So and I do show you reserves for you know that the balances. Do you happen to recall how much the the Vott Springs project was? Yeah, you find it right now. I've got 348, 626. That's what I was going to say. It's about working. So this was from now? Correct. I don't even recall that's very cheap. 346. Okay. This was on 612. But I don't show a conversation in my email. I just showed this coming in. $4,000 capital line for $25,000. And that's all I picked up was the 2526. Just because of that statement. So I can see how I missed it. And I absolutely can go back and show for fiscal year 26. And it was so much $345,000. 348, 625. Okay, because I don't remember a conversation and it probably could come out of the fifth-cent gas tax at that point or excuse me, 1% sales tax, but I apologize, I don't remember a conversation for fiscal year 26. Well, the 1% sales tax won't be guaranteed. We still will have a balance. Oh, well, we have 1% sales tax. If it doesn't get renewed, we still will have about 500,000. So this would take it down and we still leave a couple 100,000. There's money in the 5th-cent gas tax as well. And we can talk about reserves, as soon as we're done with this conversation. And in fifth-cent gas tax, I'm looking at about $760,000 in fifth-cent gas tax. So there is money to fund that. And I apologize. I don't remember a conversation for that. I don't remember us talking about it on up here in voting. You wanted to say, well, it's not anything we would vote on at this period of time. Well, I just don't remember us having discussed it. I guess the spot springs. I think I remember. And since I didn't show it, I can see it not being discussed because I haven't presented it to you all. So again, I do apologize for that. I can understand how I missed it. A vice mayor, I do owe unipology for not- No, you don't owe me a ball. No, ma'am. I just want to make sure the funding's in place. That's the reason for my question. It's like, OK, where's it coming? My thing with the road reserve is, unless the mayor can work his magic in Tallahassee for a legislative appropriation. I can pretty much guarantee that in the future you're going to have to establish an MSTU and tax the property owners for roads. You're just not going to have the money coming in. We can get what you know what you've got planned so far, but you know, $3've got planned so far, but, you know, $345,000 for one year. I don't know what it costs for the rest of the city. So I might just be talking off the top of my head. But just to maintain roads, you're going to be taxing the tax payer. So my, my thought, and don't hold it against me, you can take money now and maybe hit them up for a little less in the future because you have something sitting in reserve and I would recommend setting aside something going forward a little bit each year. Keep building it up. But that's all up to you guys. But I don't see how you're going to be able to do rows. Grant, we don't get grants. Maybe we will, like I said, maybe the mayor can work his magic like he did for the water and sewer system. And if we get grants, we still have to have a match. Where is that money going to come from? But again, it is up to council. I see where the vice, I understand where the vice mayor is coming from. I can absolutely see his side. I'm looking at it from in the future, things just get more expensive and depends on how much you have to hit each tax, but each property owner to help fund whatever road projects you you may have. So I know I begged it. I pray that God down on my knees last year to beg for a road reserve. I'm hearing I'm going to get one this year maybe to the tune of just 50,000 but it's a road reserve so I'm thrilled with that. But I just wanted to put it out there with that. How much time do you have before you have to bite the bullet and really do something? And again, you have to think of if you do get a grant, where are you coming up with the grant management? So it's just food for thought. I am absolutely at your direction. I will do whatever council wants me to do. So let me ask you this, because I think I'm getting muddy. So we have our 90, 7,000 right now. Do you ever take? And 60,000, how Tim was describing it was for the... Currier. Currier over from last year. Or from this year. and how Tim was describing it was for the... Carry over. Carry over from last year or from this year. It's not in there. Yeah, not the carry over. The 90 doesn't change. Even it's just a matter of what we... No, I get the same question she does. But now that 97,000, okay, let's not even worry about the 60,000, okay? It's just we'll find that money wherever we find that money So out of that 97,000 you're recommending taking 50,000 Look, he said 50s. I like 60 but he's 10 said 50 and using that as to start our road Reserves right and I don't mind 60 either. I'm okay with that. I'm gonna squablin over that number with the, where I think the confusion is. Now, to stay at 90, seven, whatever, would mean that we would lower the millage rate from rollback. That would maintain us at the 97. If we, if we did not lower the millage rate, then that's going to bring it up to 150. And that's just where I'm not in agreement. I'm in agreement with the $50, $60,000. Take that from the 97, 90, whatever. Okay, start a road reserve with that. And then the rest would be contingency. So follow-up hours bouncing mind. So if we take, we have 97,000 and we still want to do that code project, correct? Right? We're still wanting to do the code. The comp plan. The comp plan, sorry, comp plan. Sorry. So we still want to do the code. The comp pant. Sorry comp pant. Sorry. So we still want to do the comp pant. We have that money in the budget this year. Correct. So why aren't we rolling that money into next year? It is that you are. point. Okay, so at the five point. Two, one, three, three, sorry at the rollback rate as of today. We have, why can't we take that, leave it at that number and start the reserve. So our contingency fund will be 37,000 or whatever the number might be. And then we have 60,000 for this year that we're rolling over into this comp fam project. And we've started to reserve all without changing the military. Does that not make sense? All to do everything you're saying, okay, to make the math work out, we would lower the millage rate a little bit from rollback. That would make the math that you're saying work. Otherwise we're dealing with a number of 150 and that's what doesn't sit right with me. So I don't and again I'm not bringing in from reserve. Okay when you're saying that's where the skin tangled up as far as. No it's all good. When we're talking about carryover, okay. The terminology is what's messed up. It really kind of is like a carryover. But so that money is going to show surplus in this year's budget. Okay, we should spend it so we should show a surplus of $60,000, right? Okay, so that's $60,000 and we show it as surplus. We would create a reserve, okay. No, no, I'm sorry, we would not create a reserve. It would simply go into the reserve that Jan's talking about. All right, but we have to spend this money next year to rewrite the comp plan. So we have to have, so she's going to show in there in the budget. We're going to have a $60,000 transfer in from reserves on the revenue side that's the way it has to work and that's that's what will actually in essence make it a carryover okay and that's in the budget for community development. Community development, yes. Okay, so the way it helps me think, if you think about it like this, it's old money. Yes. It's old money that we collected in this fiscal year from the tax pay for the conflundry, right? And so we didn't spend it, it's sitting in the bank. And so instead of putting it in there to collect that $60,000 again in new money, in the new budget, we just use what we collected this year to pay for what we're gonna do next year. And the reason why that 97,000 would then go to 150,000 is I've got that 60,000 already funded. In the budget now, right. Correct. So it's coming from revenue. Right. If I'm going to bring in old money, I'm adding to revenue. Got to balance the budget. By balancing the budget, it increases that 97 to 150s. But am I still, am I doing what Tim says and if I keep it at 3.5 commissions, 5.2? Am I double dipping the taxpayer? Yes. Well, if you're not double dipping,iffing, you're bringing in surplus. You're bringing in surplus for an expenditure that we don't have. But now I'm doing a reserve for roads. That seems to me like I am. But you already have money for a reserve. We have the $90,000 for a reserve. Now what we're going to say is we're going to, through ad valoriate taxes, we are going to take another 60,000 this year in ad valorium taxes. Okay, and add that to the 50, 60,000, whichever number we choose for our road reserve. Okay, I'm going to muddy this a little more. Oh, good. I love it. I should have put it. I'm sorry, but this is how it works. I can't necessarily take exactly 60, okay, because it's all formula based on a spreadsheet through DOR, but I can get it close. take exactly 60, okay, because it's all formula based on a spreadsheet through DOR, but I can get it close. It may be 61,000, it may be 60,500. Okay. What's gonna happen is that's also gonna affect CRA. So I'm just letting you know that there is it's not just a one-to-one swap. It does flow through the entire. Right, but we don't raise taxes to raise CRA. That just is absolutely wrong. You know that CRA, I'm not I'm just saying. Okay, I'm with you. CRA will be affected by six. Yes, I'm with you. Got you. Because we're also using that same military. I'm with you. You know what if I'm lowering the military, I have to take the RAA value, property values, by that new military. So believe it or not, we could end up with a little more money in general fun because of it. Because if I'm taking, we're lowering the mill is right CRA is going to get less revenue from the city That's going to leave a little more in general fund It's you're not going to see just a $60,000 change, but it would still pretty much equate to that So that's why that contingency amount is is Not fixed So that's why that contingency amount is not fixed. Okay? But it could still accomplish what vice mayor is talking about. And give us a rope. We start in the 50,000, whatever you guys say. You know, if you only want to leave 10,000 in contingency, if you don't want a contingency and you just deal with expenses as they come through, you don't have to000 in contingency. If you don't want a contingency and you just deal with expenses as they come through, you don't have to have a contingency and we could put that all in a road reserve. Really, it's, I can't see the mayor. Whatever you'd all like to do, did I just confuse everybody? I'm following whatever. I wish hate, I'm having problems. I wish I had a white book here. I know, I think that all the time, which we had a white book in here. I think the exact same thing. As far as I'm concerned, I understand. I'm a big believer in presidents. I came in office in the middle. There were presidents set by the former council. We have one member on this board who was present when that was done. And I'm a big believer in presidents. And that's why I support this road project because I know it's good for our city. It's what our citizens expect and it was a good plan and it was put together. All right. Now, the $60,000 for the comp plan was another good decision. And I think what, in my view, what Tim is trying to express, is this decision was made, the precedent was made by the former council, and I am a big believer personally to move forward with precedence unless I see something drastically wrong with it. So I am an agreement that the idea of the 60,000 moves forward and the citizens understand that this 60,000 was appropriated before we had not spent it. We're not adding to it. We will move it forward and we expect to spend it in this year's budget. Now I have another issue on the other side which is the road reserves. I don't like connecting the $60,000 to the road reserves because, and I don't want to get into too much because I'm going to talk about it later about the meetings I attended in Hollywood this past week about what we're going to be facing with grants and what a struggle we're going to have. And we are desperately may need a lot of matching money. And it enhances our ability to be able to qualify by having that. We can't go in there with an empty hand. We have to have something that we can show that we have effort in the offer that we are willing. So I'd like to see us, I'd like to see us go through with what we talked about moving the 60 over and I can explain it to the taxpayers. I wouldn't have any problems explaining that. We didn't spend it before. It was allocated. I agree that it was a good idea and we're going to do it next year. That's where that money is. If you have a question about it, it's still sitting there. But what I would like to see and what I think would be best is we put up as much as we can for roads because I hear this over and over again. And if the citizens are looking at this and they say, well, you had this extra number of dollars, you know, it only changed my taxes a few dollars to do this. I think I'd rather have the money invested in getting our roads straightened out than I would say a few dollars this year knowing that I'm going to have to come up with it one way or the other. In other words this way it's we're not going to have such a heavy hand coming down we can say look we do have money a heavy hand coming down. We can say, look, we do have money. We have been setting aside. We are conscious of the future. We're going to pay attention to where we're going. And we're going to have the money to try to get these roads fixed. And if we don't have the money, we're not going to get them fixed. And that's the way. So I would like to divorce the two issues. I agree with the 60,000. I understand the idea behind that because it's a precedent. But I want to have another discussion on the other side of it, column. I don't see the two connecting. I see the road issue being a separate issue from the precedent. That's the way I feel about it. So is there a consensus for me to bring in the 60,000 firm? OK. I'm going to try to follow this. I don't follow fine answers. OK. So we have $60,000 last year we didn't spend. This current fiscal year. And this year we're going to bring forward that 60. Yes. You've taken 60 out of the reserve. I will. You will. So that would give us say 120. And then we've got 37 so that would be like that's where the 150,000 is coming from right. The 97,000 plus the 60,000. Yeah. Yes. So basically we have a choice we can either give the $60,000 back to the taxpayers or we can put it back in the reserves and keep our reserves healthy. And a road reserve. Right. No. Okay. And a road reserve. Now, this is my feeling on it. I went through this in Paul Meadow Bay when the mayor said he lowered taxes. And he said, I lowered your taxes so many milligree. How much does that save you? $20 a year, $30 a year. You know what? I'd rather have you spend the $30 a year and give me another police officer. I think it would be far more prudent for us today to look at all that money, set up a decent road contingency fund. For the simple fact is we have discussed numerous times in here how much money it costs to pay one foot a road. In $50,000, I think we can pay, we can probably pay about 75 feet of road out there because it is expensive because when they did the same thing in Palmetto Bay with the storm sewers and doubled it to $8, we're going to raise $400,000 and my questions in the village manager was how many storm sewers will that pay for? It will pay for two. So $150,000 is going to be a decent start. $50,000 is a joke. And my personal feeling is we're going to look much better as a council because when you look at the big picture that $60,000 divided among $1,500 households, that's $40 a year per household or $375 a month. It's not a lot of money. If you, we will be able to walk out of here today and say we kept your taxes at the same rate as last year and we built a decent starting fund to start repairing your roads, which is, Mayor Green says is what everybody says. And I've seen the PowerPoint you all put out to me about the roads with the condition of most of the roads. And unfortunately, I live in Vots Springs. We have decent roads. But I think we would, if we had 100 people in here and said, would you rather have $3 a month more in your pocket or would you rather have a Decent contingency fund to build roads and to replace their roads I think 95% of those people would say I won't road and that's what our responsibility is it's not to Put three dollars in somebody's pocket. It's to look at the big picture and build a vision for the future So we can have the roads and the community we want. So my vote is if we go for the 150 I will vote. It's not 150 that. Or how likely much we decide. However much that I end up with a surplus if that's what the consensus basically is. Okay. For a road reserve Tell me how much you would like to keep in council contingency and then the difference Would establish your reserve because again, I still have to plug in insurance a little bit And I'm still waiting on gas taxes. So I'm very country contingency last year, 3,000 a month, right? Because that's what's the way it is. And contingency, I want to say, and again, I'm not prepared with the current budget. I think you have about $35,000 in your contingency this year. For the year. For the year. Now, do you have to have a contingency? No. You can always do a budget amendment, you know, for any unanticipated expense and establish your reserve at 100% of whatever surplus I end up with. That's entirely up to what you guys would like to see. Because again, it may not be 150, it could end up being 130, you know, that I have a surplus and if you wanted to keep a $20,000 contingency, that would be $110,000 and we'd go into a road reserve. Now, it was also talked about how can we establish a road reserve that can't easily be spent on just pet projects, okay? You have a new council. I have to double check with Andrew, but I believe that we can establish that reserve that it would take, and this is with council's agreement, a unanimous vote to use, to even use it. Not just a majority of the vote, but I say unanimous because right now you only have four people. Hopefully you have a five-member council that will be in the next year, but what if you're down to four people again? So this way, a unanimous vote covers however many seats are filled. I understand. And that would at least lock it up a little bit. We did that with the largest reserve we have, aside from unrestricted, is it's a general fund capital infrastructure replacement reserve from utilities is the $1.8 million reserve you have. It takes four boats to use that reserve. That was implemented by design so that it would be a little more difficult just to use it on playground equipment. So, I would add that, Jan, I appreciate that. I would add this. So, this, and what Rex said, bears this in mind to me too, I'm thinking, the citizens, they don't build roads. They use roads. They look at our city government as being the function that's necessary for them to have their roads in proper order. They look for us to provide the services that they expect out of their city. So we are furnishing tools to do that. I'm not uncomfortable one bit going to a citizen or explaining it to a citizen that we are trying to be prudent, we are trying to preserve funds for the future so that we can get as much road work as we have done as possible. And I would explain to the citizen that look, you can't build roads as an individual. You have to depend on your city government to do that. And we've got to figure out how we're going to fund that and how we're going to serve your needs. This is a vital interest of serving their needs. And if we can have it and put it up, and I'm not really worried about doing the four member vote, it would be possible if the council agrees. I don't have a problem doing it. But I don't want to tie the hands of whoever's going to be in there because I don't think that's going to be an issue with this with the road fund. I think most people, I know this current council is all in favor of doing everything we can for our citizens in their roads. There's no doubt about that. That's an effort, universal effort on this council. So I don't have a problem, as I said, I don't have a problem with establishing this road fund and funding it is best we can. Now what figure that the council agrees to is fine, but I am in favor of doing it. Absolutely. I think if you tell me how much you want in contingency, then whatever's left over would be your road reserve. What I'm also hearing, and I just need to know if this is what you all want me to do, is keep the military currently at rollback, not go below that, as my smear has recommended. So I just need that kind of direction and I can implement it. I already got the 60,000 coming in as a transfer so the comp plan is funded with old money. That's a give me I heard y'all wanted to do that. So now I just need that little bit of direction. So here's my opinion. Did the research, did the math, okay? The math says don't double dip the taxpayer. So now we have $60,000. Now it's burning a hole in people's pocket. And we're just going to find a way to spend at $60,000. I understand it's going to go in the road reserve. My opinion is we need to, the road reserve is fine. I'm saying we need to do that now, but not with 150, with the 90, somewhat ever. And revisit this after the first of the year when we know what the 1% sales tax is going to do. And then we can do it with math. Because right now we have the year we're in covered, we have 24, 25 covered, and we have 25, 26 roads covered. So we have plenty of time to figure out. And we still have, we could do another year worth of roads. There's enough money in there to even add another year in there. You know, my opinion is everybody gets, the budget will be dead accurate if we stick with the 90,000, spend old money, don't bring in new money for the comp plan and create a roadwork reserve with 50, 60, or all of the 90. I don't care. I'm all four having no contingency and having the exposure, well, we always have the exposure, the exposure will be seen anyways. So we either have a contingency, which means we took a little bit of excess from the taxpayers in case of whatever. Or we put all of the contingency into a road reserve and then hit up our other reserves. If something comes up this year here we did pretty good. We knew the police department and I'm not picking on you guys this time. We knew the police department was going to have a lot of unknowns based on what we came into. You know we should not and we still made out just fine. We should not see that next year that ought to be you know a little bit smoother for that department. The rest departments all came in just fine. So to me everybody gets a little bit of something. You get your road reserve. Tax payers get an accurate budget. I don't know why it's so daggone taboo to lower. I don't care if it's 50 cents. That 50 cents, in my opinion, belongs to the person that got up, went to work, and earned that money. To me, I'm just, I'll get off that. And we don't know what the 1% sales tax is going to be. So I'm going to harp one more time. We got two years, future two years covered. We could throw a third year in there. We could figure out after this 1% whatever happens with it next year what we want to do as far as, you know, jacking up a road reserve or something like that in future years. And we have time to do it. We have the money in the bank to do it now. And that's just why, you know, I understand the emotions of getting a road reserve. We are getting roads fixed. It's Chad and I have sat down and met that got these roads for the next three years going. So it's not like we don't understand. I know exactly what the numbers are with the money in. Not just we want to fix roads, but I understand what money we got in the bank. So I'm not doing this on, oh my gosh. And anybody thinks I'm campaigning two and a half years. I crawl back underneath my rock. You know, so I just think this is accurate, and this is what should happen. Everybody gets a little bit of everything, the same way with salaries. Every year we take care of a little bit of somebody else. We can't do it all at once, but we can spread the well, spread the pain, and make it all palatable for everybody. And I want to center some interesting. And my only other issue is that are we served? We've been doing amazing with our reserves because if I'm not mistaken, our reserves have really been great this year, especially because of all the interest rates we've been receiving from. And, you know, we love that the interest rate are about to come down, but that's also a double edged sword. When they come down, that also means you're saving the account or CDs or whatever they might be, also are going to come down. So I want to understand it. But again, that $5.50, whatever that's, but I'm also thinking because, and this is the other thing, if we keep rolling back and rolling back, we're eventually going to hit the wall and go, okay, guys, now we're having to roll back up. That's going to happen. That's absolutely going to happen. And I understand it, but I would rather, as if I'm sitting up here, if I'm not sitting up here and I'm paying my tax bill, I would rather it go up a half a percent or a half a mill versus a full mill or whatever the amount might be. So I think if we are conservative with our figures and spending our monies, and we have some extra money that we can put aside for roads and a half, whatever the amount might be. But I really kind of think just leaving us where we are, not double dipping, but saying, okay, we're not, you know, we're spending our old money. But this new money that will bring me in from you, thank you by the way very much, is now going into our right-wing reserves. And I don't see anybody Saying no to that if you're talking to them That's because they don't know because they don't know the math They don't know how many millions that we have set aside that we're supposed to have been spending this money on for a long time And we don't it just sits there and we have it spent it now we spend it We've logistically figured out how much we're going to spend over the years. A milligrate is not a, it's always a moving target. It's going to go backwards some years. There's not anything magical that's going to blow this up in three years and cause a one mill rate. It's going to be a specific item is going to happen that is going to drive it up. Not oh, we cut the bone too, we cut it too close to the bone. The philosophy doesn't work mathematically. For you, it doesn't have that value. It's math and I'm happy with that, but that is my opinion. That's good. One thing is no landage. Pay me now, pay me later. And I've been through a lot with the city of Don Allen. And I've seen this when we were spending over $1,000 a day of our income when I went in office. And I know how bad it can be. And I never want to see the city in that position again. And I do not want to bankroll money. I'm not interested in seeing how much money I can pile up in these counts. I want this money allocated to the citizens' needs. And I think we've been doing that. There's been a good effort to get this road plan going. And as I've said before, it's said a good precedent. And I want to carry through with that. And I want to add to it if we can. But it's pay me now or pay me later. And I think the idea of leaving the the milled rate at a rollback rate and then using those funds outside of that to go into the reserves for roads. I think the citizens should understand that we're not going to raise your taxes. If we're going to manage your money and we're going to get every dime worth of value out of it, we can to maintain this city. And I'm ready to talk to any citizen that asks me questions about that and defense of it. I too believe that we get every dime out of every dime we collect. And I know I used to get kiddie because I've walked four blocks until I asked you to not pay for a parking spot. Well, I got kidded, but I don't care. That was my taxpayers' money. If I can walk those four blocks, I'll do it. I will find that spot. And that's how close I am with things. I don't mind staying at Red Roofian when I go up there. I do everything I can to conserve funds. I don't want to conserve it as you can get. But I also believe that pay me now, pay me later, is a pliable in this instance. And I think leaving the millage rate at the rollback rate, which means it's not a tax increase, is a wise decision for our city at this time. So I just need direction and I know it's split. So I guess majority kind of rules in this case, I'm not sure how to handle this. Well, of course, we're not going to vote and you're getting direction from your you've heard from your council members their opinions and And so Okay, we can't we just pull the council. I mean just for chance conclusions all on sand Let's let's go back again and at this point in time if you agree to this we just Suggest how we want to go forward And we're not voting on it. This is the ladies and gentlemen, if you're watching this, we are not voting on this issue. We're going to revisit it by each council member because we've all had our conversations about this and we want to re-enterize exactly our position, how we feel about this, not how we're voting on it. Right. And this is what will take you into your first public here. Where again, you're only going to set your tentative milledrate at that point. All right. I'm going to ask the box mayor if he would go ahead and make a short statement and reiterate exactly what you feel like, Pam, on this issue. Yeah. My opinion is we should lower the milledrate by $60,000. Valerie. Yeah, my opinion is we should lower the millage rate by $60,000. Well, I say leave the knowledge grade where we are to stay up to roll back weight for no increased to the taxpayer. Same as I tend to agree also with the majority. Okay. So good if I was to vote on this issue. It may be the upcoming meeting. That's what I would be in favor of. Okay. My next question is do you want to have a council contingency or do you just not want to have a contingency for next year? Actually this year was the first year we used contingency funds in the past few years. What would be your recommendation, Pian? Well, we've done plenty of budget amendments this year. I think you... The number we're dealing with is 150, right? I'm sorry. The rough number we're dealing with is 150, right? I'm sorry. The rough number we're dealing with is 150K, correct? Yeah, if I did the math in my head. You could leave a small contingency. The same as this year. You have about 35,000 in contingency. I could leave that in there. You're still going to have money. You haven't spent it. So it's going to just flow through to the bottom line at the end of the year. But if you don't have a contingency at August, plot into a road reserve. And you can do a budget amendment if you absolutely have to next year. So it's going to shoot me probably, Tim. So if we have 157,000 in there, how am I paying for the $60,000 in there, how am I paying from 60,000? I'll plan. I'll unrestrict it. Old money. So you've got many months, 150 going into reserve, maybe my hand motions can help a blue and a whiteboard. And to fund the comp plan, it's coming back out. So we really don't want to have 157. We'll only have the 97. No. You will absolutely have 157,000 going into a reserve. I will put that as an expense on the expense side like I have with the rest of the reserves. That's going to show in fact that'll show in Council's budget as a transfer to reserve in the amount of $150,000. Would it be helpful if we could give an example of an expense that is currently in the budget that is being funded from reserves that does not affect the military? Okay. Hold on. I'll show you. that is being funded from reserves that does not affect the military. Okay, hold on, I'll show you. It's okay, we'll go right to, we're going to go right to the military. I think it would make things easier. Okay. Let's, if you go to... You know, I got to interject. Here's what baffles me. We're up here making this decision and we don't even understand a math. We don't know if it's 97, we don't know if it's 150, but we know that it's a good idea. And I just don't understand that kind of logic. Okay, the only reason why we don't have an exact amount is because- No, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying up here at this desk, the math is not understood about bringing money in from the reserves, the expenditure and that whole logistics. But we're up here as a council making a decision and we don't even know if it's 150 or 97 or how we even got there. I just want that on record. Thank you, sir. If you go to... These are a bunch of different amounts. Alright, let's talk about the stormwater ascetic project. That's just $1. So, are you go to page 16 of the revenues? You're on its way to the top. No truth. Okay. You see the very last dollar amount 118,000? Okay. That is also shown as an expense in roads and streets because this is the grant that we keep carrying forward. Right, that's what my hasn't billed us for yet. So on the expense side, if I didn't have this money coming in from old money, from reserve, that would be $118,000 less in revenue you would have. Right. So it's a wash. I brought money, old money in from one-cent sales tax to fund this expense I've got sitting in Rosenstreet's and the one fifty seven will take sixty thousand out of that and put it to the No, I'm now going to add a line right at sixty thousand dollars from unrestricted operating reserve to fund company. Okay. So that's going to be the old money into the new. Let's just say that's under the $118,000 on this stuff. Okay. All right. Because I've now made a wash of an expense, got revenue I'm bringing in, right? Have the expense already in here? Already accounted for. Right. I have an extra one. I have another savings account. Another piggy bank. And that's where we're increasing our revenue. Keeping our expense the same. So that is what increases the pay contingency. Okay. So that's what we're increasing our revenue. So that's what we're increasing our revenue. So that's what we're increasing our revenue. So that's what we're increasing our revenue. So that's what we's increasing our revenue. Keeping our expense the same. So that is what increases the debt contingency. It makes it $157. Okay, so out of that $157, if you want to have a small contingency, we can establish a worthy reserve of $137,000. I got you. We don't have to have to have a it like sorry and I take whatever dollar now We have that falls out and that's a road reserve You just need to tell me if you want to continue And then I know how to proceed at least All right, there's a good question of how or do you want a contingency for the way she's explained it. Would you like to continue what the practice was for this to the Council of last year established? I'm 50.50. That to me is not. I mean, I understand why we use it, but we really don't have to have it. I contingency says a budget amendment. Right. You don't have to have it. A contingency stays a budget amendment. Right. You don't have to do a budget amendment if you're taking money from a contingency. If it's a capital project, you don't really want to touch a contingency. Right. That's not capital money. You've got capital reserves. That's most likely why we haven't used contingency up until this current phase. So it really, I don't mind leaving the same amount that we have in their now. OK. That would be my if I had to pick that. Continue. In other words, to continue the policy was established by the park. As you can always put it into other funds wherever it needs to go. Right. With restrictions, of course. Rex, I'm in favor of the contingency as we currently have in effect because in the first few meetings I came here like the first six months I was on the council. Seemed like every month something was coming up and you were getting your garage doors fixed. That every day I hadn't been fixed for a while because they hadn't wanted to spend the money. The carpet, other things like that. One thing I've seen in the last year, it seems like more things got gotten small things that made people's life easier. So I think that $3,000 a month contingency fund. Also, it does save us doing a budget management, because each budget amendment is probably 15 to 20 minutes of us doing this. And over 12 meetings. We could probably have a night off. Even if I like your thinking. You would want to continue the policy with the standards. To have a continue. I will record a green so far with the precedent that was set by the former council that seems to have worked this year. I say no reason to change it. As I said I'm a precedent person if something is working I have no intention to turn anything upside down if it's not broke don't fix it so I would be an agreement also. As far as contingency now one thing I do want to comment on is everything that we did from doors or whatever was all budgeted. Okay, one half hazard. The it doesn't matter to me what we make the contingency whether it sits in a reserve or it sits in contingency. I don't agree with the amount that also doesn't matter to me. It's not because I don't agree with them. It doesn't matter where it sits. It sits in this account or that account. It's available. OK. OK. So I'm going to transfer the 60 in. I'm going to create a contingency. We're going to create a road reserve, which will be a resolution, which would be really at your second budget hearing. That's when everything is really finalized because things can change between your first hearing and your second hearing. So I'll come prepared if after the first budget hearing things don't really change that much. I will come prepared with a resolution to establish a road reserve for your second public hearing. Is that sound okay? Are you at this position? I'll bring the book. Okay. Now, let me ask this question. Let's just say that we have $157,000 in contingency coming into the first budget hearing, September 11th. If Jan were to split that out and say we're going to put 100 in a road reserve and then whatever's left, and she said that could change 49-52, whatever the case may be. After she runs the numbers, would you all be in support of that? Or would you have a lower contingency in mind? I'm just trying to narrow down a dollar amount, whether it's 100,000 or 120,000, that you would be in support of putting in a road reserve. And so we know we're not having to scramble the last minute to try and rework numbers between the first hearing and the second hearing. Well, that's why I asked about, you know, what the president was for the prior council's actions. How much did they put in reserve? And it served us well. This group is clear. And I think it's going to depend on these final numbers. Just a rough estimate, Jane, I've got a exact number now. I'll put it in there. I want to move it around, making me feel it on the Atlanta. On September, on the Atlanta. So I can leave everything in contingency, like Nandi was saying. There's the total amount, whatever that may be. And then you can discuss establishing your rubres in a fixed amount. Because unless figures change based on your public discussion, typically they haven't. Because at this point, you should be fairly comfortable with the budget you're going into your first public hearing. Absolutely things can change. That's the whole purpose of having public hearing. So listen to your constituents. So this way, I like me in these suggestions is kind of just leaving it contingency, rather than me making the change right now, just recontinency where it is. And at the final hearing, it just gets fine-tuned, along with a resolution for adoption. So that's okay. Now on that note, if you'd like to take a look at your three-name reserves that we constantly go in and out of, we're capital-user. Let's look at general fun capital replacement. It's a different. Oh, it's a different sheet. Yeah, it's a different sheet. What I'm looking at is at the title, it's an 8.5 by 11 sheet of paper that I gave you. The title at the top is GF capital replacement, 0. And a font we can read. And we'll get all the screen here so I can see it. Yeah. Because I can't. I can't see this one. I want to get it out of my small place. It's this one, Mr. Mayor. It's the bigger person. It's the bigger. It's the bigger. I'm so sorry. I'll print this really big screen. I like this one. I can see it. OK. I'm saying is at the end of this fiscal year, in this, now this reserve really funds, oh, can you click on that? It funds, it would fund playground equipment, it would fund computers for administration. This is basically administration's reserve. The only way this reserve increases are from those two amounts that I've got listed, that $10,000 and then the 15. And I explain what those are. The first, the $10,000 and I've spoken to this before, we with the sale of the utility, an agreement with FGUA to remit to us on an annual basis and a mouth collected from Rio Vista sewer customers. This all stems from us taking on the project. Their sewer system was failing. They were not, they were in contempt of court. They came to the city because we could get grants to help them. We took on decommissioning that facility. In exchange, we used a bond proceeds as our grant match. We received a grant for most of it. The $200,000 that the city had to spend out of our pocket, the real Mr. sewer customers are paying us back at $40 a month per sewer customer. Now there aren't many sewer customers out there. So that's why we're only getting about $10,000. This agreement is for 10 years or until we reach $150,000. Remorse, whichever comes first. You know about how much bear I am? I'm sorry, I'd have to go back. We're nowhere near 150, we're probably at maybe 70, if we sold the system in 2017, 2018, at about 10,000 a year, we're just about halfway there. The next amount, the 15642, is the amount that I transfer after audit, and it's based on audit. It's 10% of the city's depreciation expense. And that's in your fund balance policy. So that won't come in until May to replenish this reserve. So I show what's budgeted to come out of this reserve. You've got a laptop for council. We still have audio video system for the chamber, a couple of computers, more like four computers, to comply with the Windows 11 upgrade. Computers are in compliance. And then of course you're a new reporting software, your financial reporting system. So $95,000 is going to come out of this reserve. And you're going to end up with approximately $45,000 at the end of next fiscal year. So the reserve, it's been taken down, but it slowly gets finished. And there's still a little bit of money to be able to do some capital service. The next reason. I just have to say something else. We just bought the servers and stuff, and I see all these computers and we bought. So we should buy the end the next year. We should be pretty current on all of our computers. That's an Andy question. Oh, okay. I'm sorry, dad. No, it just... Yeah, I can't speak to. I would hope so. Yeah. At least administration wise here at City Hall, yes. I would think that would be probably a true statement. Okay. The rest... The city I'm not sure. The enterprise reporting software is at the Granite Conservoo is at the BSA. That's the BSA. Okay. And we have to spend the $84,000 every year? No. No. This is just where continuing implementing the project. Okay. So, after. The project was, whoa, I think 130? Is it 130? 130? 130? Is it 130? 130? 130? And this is the balance that we would owe once we're fully implemented. So pretty much 25-20 CC, 25-26. We should be pretty good on computers and just with the software has almost everything paid off to wear. It'll probably be about an extra or a hundred thousand a year. Oh no, it shouldn't even be that. In the following year, in fiscal year 26, your support fee for the new financial system is only going to be in the $20,000 range. I think you were saying we have a must-hide asset. Oh, well, you won't necessarily have it extra because this is in a reserve that is only very planning. We won't be spending it out of the reserves. Right, not in this case you won't. And that doesn't include the grant. No, no, there's nothing for grant. We have operated with respect to grant and kiss but no capital. This is capital. Okay. Okay. Any other questions? Let's go to the fifth scene guest. I like this one. Can you answer the ear of those? Okay. Fifth scene. Yes, second one I think. No, that's the one scene. I don't know why I'm thinking so. That's a little one too. Well we can talk one cent sales tax. You got it up. That's okay. The yellow column, highlight of column, is next year's budget and revenue. So you can see all the negatives. This is what is remarked to come out of this reserve. Whether it be next year, excuse me for future years. For example, that $118,000 project, because we committed one-cent sales tax money to it, I show it coming out next year. And it probably won't, but it needs to be carried forward and that money reserved for to pay for this project. The same thing with, we've got the lease purchase for tasers that we pay approximately $13,000 a year on. I've reserved a whole amount of money for that five-year purchase to come out of one-cent sales tax so that we don't spend it on anything else. So the budget for the like the tasers even though here and I know it's very small to see is 4568 that's the balance owed at the end of five years only 13,000 will actually come out. The next year it would be 13,000 less. But we need to reserve that money and if it's not taken out here it could get spent inadvertently on something else. And then the small projects, and I'm looking at, it feels go all the way down to the bottom, Andy. Even if the sales tax money does not get renewed, I'm looking at a balance in that one-cent sales tax reserve of about $500,000 at the end of next year. So you'll still have a nice little saw. Oh, that's $5.14. Yeah, that's $5.14. $5.36. And again, that depends on, you know, you can have things coming under budget. You know, like we did this year, we had a couple of items coming under budget. You may have something coming in slightly over budget. So again, these are just estimates. But it's still a nice little balance to have for something that may not get renewed. If it gets renewed, that's going to increase by maybe 300,000. So hopefully it gets renewed. thousand. So hopefully it gets renewed. Are there any questions with respect to your 1 cents health tax? And the last may reserve that we could dip into is your 5th cent gas test. This reserve is strictly for roads and streets capital. It could be for road, it could be for a computer, whatever capital need for roads and streets. On, which I don't have numbered, in between line six and seven, I'm estimating, and this is one dollar amount that I haven't received yet for next year. I'm estimating 57,000. We don't have anything earmarked to spend that on next year. So I'm saying it's all going to get put in reserve like this year. So this reserve will grow by approximately that amount. So you're looking at the end of the year of $767,000, which could help fund the 26 roads in Vot Springs that Vice Mayor was talking about. Or you could use your one cent sales tax. And that will be determined when you all prepare your fiscal year 26 budget. You won't reserve, you'd like to see additional roads come out of. But you've got those two reserves that absolutely no-fund it. Absolutely no fun. Can I ask a chat? And just is there a reason why we won't do two projects in one year, like the Votsprings, or the other one? Just budgeting. Well, I think you just say that we have the funds to do Vot Springs now. In your one-cent sales tax reserve or with the fifth set, you absolutely do. So I'm just... and again, it's not because I live in box frames, please. It's just, I'm thinking if we know it's going to, I mean, Tim and you did good research in Canada, it's going to be 348,000, was that what it was? Okay. In two years from now, you and I both know it could be another 100,000 dollars easily. And that's not a high estimate. So I just don't know why if we have it, and if it's not in the box brains, wherever else says 300 and whatever the amount is, is there an explanation for it? Or a reason why we've won it is it too much work? I think we should plan out projects for the years ahead and every budget laid out for that. We kind of split it up, CRA, non-CRA, and it does get to be, by the time you get the bids out, follow everything, you get to be, the projects get too much for his department and staff and everybody to follow, get it all together. to do two projects. Okay. What is the vote for? I asked what they're doing in the spring for the roads. One second, I can tell you. I'm going to do Shawnee road from Bots Springs Road to Kennesaw Road plus the intercept. I'm going to do Shawnee Road from Bots Springs Road to Kennesaw Road plus the intersections. We're going to increase the turning radius at the intersection of Shawnee and Kennesaw Road, that's where the school bus keeps, the radius is not wide enough to school bus crushes it and crushes the ground and we're going to do East McKinney at the rarer road tracks. Is what that project is looking at? Okay. And it's overlay correct? Correct all the wordly. I was just trying to save up. But what is it you said Mr. Mayor, pay now or pay later? Yes and you know Chad, we rely on what you say and about what you think you can handle. We don't want to put the situation where you know you're out there 12 hours a day trying to get something done for the city. We don't and your citizens don't expect that either. We want it done so that you can keep track of it and it's reasonable to you. But we do want to expedite where we can. You know, our citizens don't need to wait if they don't have to. But I think as far as I'm concerned, as a member of the council, I'm going to rely on what you think you can take on. And if the situation changes and you want to add a road or add this or that or the other, I don't have a problem with that. We want to work with you. We want it to conform to what your department thinks they can handle. But I can sit up here at the dash. We don't handle the shovels, we don't handle the equipment and try to pre-judge what you think you could get on. I mean, that's my opinion. And you can always do a budget amendment if you, you know, if the suits with me projects get done really quick and there's time. I mean, there's always budget amendments. So your hands aren't tied. I think you understand, you know, we're open to Europe and we're open to what you suggest. We will, like I said, we're up here trying to guide the best interest of the citizens. And we have for allowing our staff to keep us in line. We want to promise something and tell the people, you know, we're going to double up, or we're going to add this or add that. We're not going to do that unless our staff recommends that to us, because we're not going to put you in a bind. I mean, as far as I'm concerned, I always want to speak about this. This is my opinion. I'm a member of the council. I'm not. have council action on that. I think it's good to where we have it and if we have to add we can but you can't see anything in the future so things can be delayed the rainy seasons anything. Well that's it. Oh we can have we can have a stone. Everything on the way so we can have a stone. It's not if it's when we have a stone. Thank you, check that explanation. And Andy. What's what we got now, Jan? That's it. That's really all I have to discuss. Let's see, I want to talk about something else that really that concludes this presentation. I've got my Marching orders up way forward. What we discussed in the next version. It's also, I want to think it's also going to change a little bit because the ARPA project, your Granada and Palmetta Wave project, it was estimated that that originally would be completed this year, but I know it's not going to be completed till next year, so I'm going to be including that in this budget. It'll be a zero impact because I'm bringing the ARPA money in from reserve and then I'm going to show an expense. So you're just going to see two references to that project, and that way it's in your budget for next year. So that's the only other thing, major thing that would change your bottom line, because that's going to be good $700,000 increase to both revenue and expenses. I have a question. Just because I don't know. I know that we've set up contingency funds for that project. Yes. At the end of the project, so say if we have $30,000 left, then some spend in the contingency. Where does that money go? OK, that contingency is coming from one of your existing reserves. So it would just stay in your reserve. The archipelago has to be spent 100%. Well, that's what I mean. If the archipelago is a spent. Then you need to find something really quick to spend it on. Because then don't we have to give it back if we don't? You have to give whatever the un-missed person is. It has not been totally defined. I would hope it would just be here unused and not the entire 920 about $1. I don't want to not try to alarm you. I wouldn't think it would be what we spend. But there's a specific role that says that money has to be completely obligated by the end of 26. I'm sorry, by the end of 24, and spent by 26. So it's got to be spent. You should go. It's going to be spent, yeah. So but your contingency might be that 55,000. That'll just stay in the bank if you don't need it. OK. Does anybody have any further questions for Jane? We call up, Jane. Oh, good. Oh, thank you. Thank you, Jane. I think we covered a lot today. It's very well done. Jane, also. I do have one question. Is our new finance officer? Do you feel comfortable tonight with what you saw and heard? Do you have any questions? I'm fine, sir. I've actually been trying to get up to speed and reviewing the budget. The Janice prepared so far, the actual sort of piece of years. I know because from having done things like this before, Jan's got her own language in the budget. And you've got to learn her language so that you can understand it. I just wanted to make sure that you were comfortable or if you had any question. No, actually because of our time that we spent working together in the past, it's like a little buddies getting together again. Okay. And this is only her first full day. I know. I'd like to her feel comfortable and if she has any questions and next year we'll have her version. With new words. And maybe a whiteboard? White whiteboard in the budget issue? I might just put that in. I might just put that in the budget in a finances budget. That really would have helped. I'm a very visual person. Yeah. And so when I think I get it in my mind, and then it goes away. Does anybody have anything else on the budget? No, sir. Go ahead. Wendy. Wait. Hold on to my study. Kate, can you have something you were going to be requesting be added? Yes. Beaking a bruise. They can. Just this. Yeah. Yeah. All right. When you're here, but last week I brought up looking for somebody coming and doing our policies and things like that. I was able to go back and finally the proposal that we were given last year. And I just found that today so I can email you all a copy so you can see what it all entails. But the quote on that one, the one time implementation was just over $16,000. And I'm sorry chief, I wasn't even meeting. What exactly is this for? This is for hiring somebody to come in and do our policies and procedures. Okay, so this is an operating expense for $16,000. Yes. This was from October of last year, it was valid through January of this year. So that amount could change. But again, that was just one company. We reached out to some others and they want to have phone calls. So they wouldn't just give us a price. They want to have more meetings and things like that. I don't have anything on that end. But I do want to be able to put a line item in for this and a line item in for investigations. Some of the investigations we've done here recently there have been we've taken them out and they've done the not the light of typolegraph it was the yeah so the stress analysis voice stress analysis so those were $300 some dollars for those to be done but those weren't included anywhere in our budget. So I kind of want to come up with a line item for investigative fees If we're having to go outside and do more investigation one was Turned out good because Sheriff part was able to get it done, but to retrieve some videos From the grocery store and from the bike vape store. They finally were able to do that last Friday. If they wouldn't have been able to do that, we would have had to reach out to an independent person and pay them to come and get that information. So I'm looking at maybe a $5,000 line item. It just covers if we have to go out and do type of things. And we have the money there for it. So let me ask, I know we had discussed with the policy making that you were going to reach out to, and again, I'm sorry, I call it the Florida League of Cities, but it's the police League of Cities lack a better word. I'm not sure I know your name, so were you able to find anything like that? Or were you? We have reached out, and that's where we got some other names. OK. And we've called these people, and it's like, OK, well, let's have a meeting and see what you actually need. I'm not going to say it's going to cost you $10,000. And I don't even know what you need. Okay, yeah, no, that makes sense to me. Those are set up. There are also, you asked the question, that's about grants for accreditation and stuff like that. Those are out there, but those have already closed. So that's nothing we could go after until next year. Right, but this will be a product that we'll be doing next year anyway. So that'll be great if we can look into those grants and start seeing what we need now for them that were unbored when we do need them if it's that or whatever. Correct. That's excellent. The investigations. How much would you need? I'd like to do $5,000. $5,000. Okay so council, I'm hearing and I apologize I wasn't at the meeting. This is all gray expense, this is going to reduce that surplus, that contingency. $16,000 and I'll get with you on the description, PGO's, $16,000 and that's just a professional service line. And then investigations, I'm thinking it's along the same lines as like background checks. Which would be one of those. Sometimes you have to pay people for information. Right, so we go, hey, you know, we're going to give you, you know, 100 bucks. Who did this? Who did that? Find this for me. So it's going to go under other charges. We have a miscellaneous. That's other. Okay, We have a miscellaneous. That's other. OK, we have a miscellaneous column. But column? Are you talking about your law enforcement trust fund? No, it's a miscellaneous or it's another. That's one of them. Yeah, other. Because Tim and I, we talked about it. We think it was $1,500. I'm not aware what that was for. Okay, so $5,000, $5,000. And you just want it labeled investigations? Yes. Okay. So unless council has any other thoughts, I will add that into the next version. I don't have a problem? I have a problem. I have no problem. We can add it then. And if you can find out, get some more information from whoever wants to chit chat with you. But we can know if 16 is now 25,000. Right, and that's my goal. I was hoping to have more information today, more quotes. But we didn't get them, but hopefully by the next meeting, I'll be able to give you something more specific. If you could do it before the next meeting, like if say it increases and you're okay with that increase because I need to work it in, that's gonna be our budget hearing. So it's gonna be as soon as possible. You'll be first to know. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Because if not, we might have to wait. And I hate to do that. Oh, I don't I could still work it in. It just it's just I'm just trying to go into next the budget hearing with this clean not today. Okay. Anybody else have anything? Yes sir. Thank you. Anybody else have any any budget issues concerns comments? Well I'll give you just a short run down since we have a little time. To Wednesday morning I left here and got on my way to Hollywood, Florida to the Florida League of Mayors, which was, let's see, that was Wednesday during on Wednesday. But I left here and drove to the airport in Orlando and I got on the Bright Line train, took me to Fort Lauderdale, called a cab and over to the airport in Orlando. And I got on the bright line train, took me to Fort Lauderdale, called a cab and over to the hotel. We had some storms in Fort Lauderdale, so the cabs were delayed at heavy range storm. But I got to the hotel in 15 minutes for my first meeting. So I had my shorts on, my shirt, but the new president was happy to see me. and that was very nice. And I got to see it participate in our first meeting. And meeting started at 2.30 and I got there at 2.15. So not a chance to change clothes, but that's okay. I was able to attend every meeting of the Florida League of Mayors and the new president incoming is from Daytona Beach Shores. And as you know, I attended her regional meeting last month. And so it was very nice to do that and back her up. And she's going to make a great president and a incoming year. And that's going to be a lot of help for us as we move forward in Tallahassee but influence with our legislators they're all up for election this year or we'll have a new state senator this year which means we'll be on the bottom of the seniority list but the plus side of it it may wind up being someone who is terminally we did out of the house of course I'm not going to discuss that because that's an election issue. But we will have a brand new senator. It's nice to have one that's been there a few years because he's got seniority or he she has seniority and they are sitting in committee chairmanship a lot of times. And we were blessed with Rob Bradley when he was our state senator. And that's when we were so productive with over $5 million in grants through Chairman Bradley of the Budget Committee, our state senator, who was a great friend to Donald Trump. His wife currently serves in that particular district now. It is the largest geographic district in the state of Florida. We just got edged out of it with this reapportionment. We now will be into the Marion County side, so we no longer have that state, same state senators district, which is okay. We'll have a new student. And that's all right. We can work with that. We'll come out. Well, the, so Wednesdays was the Florida League of Mayors and the Florida League of Cities meetings started on, uh, Thursday. And I attended every workshop that was possible. And these were long, long days. But they were very good days. A lot of information, a lot of, uh, material. They went over. We had the heads of the, uh the Department of Transportation, the DOT. We had the, these are the vice, the vice heads of it, the undersecretaries. So this was the second person responsible for the whole state, for our roads, for our environmental, EPA, environmental department, and they were there to answer questions and explain the situation. I did have the opportunity to personally discuss our issues here in NN with this individual. He's well-familio, with NN, he's well-familio, what we're concerned about with our springs and the preservation of our springs and the preservation of our springs in Iraq with her. And he was very much encouraging for us to continue that. He was very receptive to our conversation, he's well for me, as I said, because we just finished the last grant that I worked on seven years ago, it's 2.7 million, it's being completed now. So that was very productive. As it went on, there were several issues that came about being discussed from all the way across the state. And not only the big cities have a discussion, but small cities that face some of the same issues we do. And I got a chance to spend some time with some time with some air and some council people that I hadn't known before. And so that was good too. So we're getting ready for the for the legislative session which will begin in March this year and we will and the prelude now are the committee hearings. The committee hearings are very important because a lot of President is set as to where they're going to go with his state budget that will be coming up. So as we move forward, I hope to be able to attend some of the meetings and preparation for this so that we can find out exactly where we thank our department heads are going to be in line with the legislature for funding. What this means is they're going to, they're certain money set aside. The Spring Protection Act this year is 55 million. It just went through and it was approved and they're working on that now. Now there'll be other funds and these funds these overall amounts are set and then what happens is the projects are submitted and then there is a list of these and they are prioritized, this list is. You may not make the top cut, you may make you may be three or four down but that may still be enough in location of projects to get funding. And so we just don't know. But now we're going to take a look at whatever's available for the city. Now I look forward to working with the grants help that we're hired. You know in our planning department. I look forward to working with them and trying to prioritize that and we'll spend more time on it. Now we'll see how we go on from forward. But I think it was a very good time. I am tired. I admit that. I am tired. But I didn't want to miss anything that I thought would be productive for our city. And I really enjoyed it. And it was an honor and a privilege for the Florida League of Cities to provide the expenditures for this. The city is not responsible for the trip. I'm responsible with the Florida League of Cities and I was on a scholarship. And I have held my budget down. I only ate two meals down at hotel, but I didn't need bad food. So I was there to get my bed. It's amazing. It was figured it up. It was like, I have $1,400 a spin. And I think I spent $1,397 or something. And I didn't add all these, I didn't add these receipts together until yesterday evening when I got home. And I started adding them up. And I said, well would we get this? And I have already submitted it, but it will not be dispensed to the city itself. Far too league of city is graciously providing and funding for me to attend. 600 went for the registration and then they provided 1400. So anyway, anybody have any questions about it? Any questions? Okay, well I think I said I'm very honored to be able to attend. We are happy that you went in and that you made it on time. Even in your shorts and t-shirts. Yeah, well, the new president was happy I was there. He was very happy that I attended your meeting and they told me to be sure last month so it gave me a chance to meet her and discuss the missions with her. And she and her husband had breakfast with me give me a chance to meet her and discuss the missions with her. And she and her husband had breakfast with me the morning after her the same in the presidency, which I enjoyed that very much. I thought that was pretty neat when we had breakfast together. So she's going to be a lot of help from our city and a lot of help for our whole state. And certainly her position is being present for the Florida League of Marys who will be very vital for our community and our relation to the legislature. No questions here? No. Hi everybody, happy? The God. That's all I have to say, man, did you have anything you want to add? That's her. Did you want to have anything say, man, did you have anything you want to add? That's her. Did anybody have anything else to want to add to that? I'm going to entertain a motion. Oh, and public comment. Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to speak on any issue that we discussed in the workshop? Seeing none, I'll entertain a motion. So, the motion on the floor to adjourn, second. Second. In discussion. May I invite you to work more?