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Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Nationalism. I'm extremely happy go to the next room. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening, everybody. I will now call the April 21, 2025 meeting of the Planning Commission to order. I would like to thank everyone here for coming out tonight. I also want to point out that they're inside in sheets. The people with the white speaking night are under railing here just to the side of the steps. Only those people in attendance and that are residents of the Comberland County or land over the Comberland County are allowed to speak at the planning commission meeting. This was, this changes making the commission's violence during an organizational meeting in January this year. If you wish to speak to that, be sure to sign up on the up sheet. The sign up sheet will take it up before you each agenda item also in order to be respectful of everyone's time. It's a nice meeting as anticipated to take longer than two and a half hours. We will recess at 9 p.m. until Thursday night at 6.30 here in the cafeteria. here's not something please call the meeting to order. Mr. Matzeel. Here. Mr. Steve Gondue. Here. Mr. Kevin Mettos. Mr. Hubert Allen. Here. Mr. Steve Rosen. Here. Mr. Harry Gondue. Mr. William Clipippen. Here. Okay and do we have a motion to approve the agenda is presented? No move. Second. Sorry just for clarification Mr. Nolan made the motion and he made the second Mr. Donbue Mr. Racial yes, Mr. Steven on you. Yes, Mr. Kevin Meadows. Yes, Mr. D Brown Yes, Mr. C. Rosen. Yes, Mr. Mary Donbue. Yes, Mr. William Okay. I think the provider of our poll. Ms Johnson you can provide an overview of these two agenda items tonight. My apologies for failing in the Parapult Residation here trying to multiple tasks. So the items we have for this evening is a request to set public hearing for Code Amendment 24-04 for the board of Zoning Pills. This is a Code Amendment where our local code does not match that of the State Code. The State Code was previously updated. Therefore our local code does need to be amended to reflect those state changes. The next is a Zoning case, it's 25-01 for dot code investments. This request is for a parcel at the corner of Glen Road in Route 60 in Ohio. It's currently zone are two residential. They were requesting it to be rezoned to be one business. And staff is requesting that these two items be set for public hearing for May 19, 2025. Do we have a motion to set these two items for public hearing? So, move Mr. Chairman, I move that we set a public hearing for C-A-24, that she will forward for the Zomin Appeals, and REC 25, that she will want bell-colding bachelor. Second. Mr. Ratsel, ready second? Correct. Thank you. Mr. Ratsel? Yes. Steve Gondyue? Yes. Kevin Leto's? Yes. Sorry, Mr. D. Biedallan? Yes. Mr. Steve Rosen? Yes. Mr. Verrida M. Hue. Yes. Mr. Harris on the view. Yes. Mr. Lee, look. Yes. OK, again, I want to remind everyone at this time, the sign-up sheet will be picked up. If you're a Cumberland resident or a property in Cumberland and wish to speak on the Green Ridge Conditional Use from it, I'm, I have not yet signed up. Please do so. I also would like to make the public aware that the Commission received a request from CCLA to make a presentation regarding this application. The Commission considered this request and agreed to submit CCLA to make their presentation with certain terms and conditions including one. The presentation will be no longer than 15 minutes. Two, after the presentation CCLA members should not speak separately during the public hearing if their comments are repetitive or redundant. Three, if CCLA has presentation materials that they provide a copy of that material to the planning commission by 9 a.m. last Friday, which they have. And four, the applicant will have an equal length of time to respond to the CCLA presentation if they so choose. I may also add, please, as a board or the chairman of the commission, if we have time left before 9 o'clock, everybody from Cumberland would have spoken. If there is time left, we are going to allow residents of neighboring counties to speak as long as they hold with the three minutes and abide by the same conditions that everybody else does. And again, that'll only be if we have time left. And those people have signed up. So if you are from a neighboring county, or might you speak, you will be able to, if there's time left, if you've signed up. So please do so if you'd like to. Or you're just picked it up, okay. Thank you. Mr. Dahls, I think please write a staff report for this conditional use for that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Sure we have the public hearing for the Planning Commission for Commissionally Use Comet 24-01. The Green Rights Recycling and Disposal Center. This applicant, I'm sorry, the application is the commission. He's permit. The owner is remit for cycling in disposal facility. The applicant is Mr. William Schumig. And the application for Conditionary Use Comm-hazardist municipal sanitary banjo. If this conditions on the property, the location is east of St. Route 64, high road road, and north of St. Route 60, Inter to Highway. The lot size of the project, there are 15 parcels totaling approximately 1143 acres. The current zoning is M2 with the conditional use of it, and the land use currently is agricultural and forestal. In 2018 the Actinify TORC and was granted the additional resumé and additional use permit for the landfill, which was CUP 1806 with 39 conditions. One condition, if the original CUP was a termination condition, which stated that the CUP would terminate, if the landfill did not commit operations within seven years of and CPE and resuming being approved, and the approvals becoming final and unappulable. This current application, if granted, will replace and supersede that 2018 conditionally used permit. This application includes a convenient center that accepts non-hazardous place and recyclables from the county government and residents for you charge. It will also accept from the residents motor fluids for proper disposal. It will also include related uses such as barraineries and soft piles, the scale and the scale house maintenance facility, leachate management facility, gas management systems, scale house and office, and other incidental uses for the landfill. Additional permitted uses include gas collection generation and sales, power plants related to the generation of gas from the landfill, hydroroponics and greenhouses which include wholesale and diesel, and other uses not related to the ore accessory to the use of the bug that are allowed as a matter of bright and end-to-zochi district are excluded and will not be permitted. This map here shows the vicinity of the project in relation to the county as a home. Here we show the project as the zoning map, where it is currently zoned and to industrial. This here is the Compliance of Plan Map from the 2023 Complianceensive Plan, and this project will be indicated by the red star. This is a zoomed-in picture of that Comprehensive Plan Math in that project location. Here we have a aerial math which will usually include the visual use of applications. However, with this project being multiple parcels, it was a little difficult to show that on here. So what I did is I overlaid the zoning parcel and just increase the transparency here. It's still making it a little bit difficult to see, which you can see the outline of the project project Marshalls with the aerial photos. This page here is the updated site plan for the project layout. And here is a second page with the site plan, and I do not even have some larger copies copies tonight as well. Here is the third page of the project layout and I believe this is the C-shaped exclusion area I've shown in the site plan. The county routine, the services of Gentry Lock to assist the county review this project as a whole. Since the complete application was received on a separate second of 2024, county staff including the county attorney and Gentry Lock have a diligent homework to ensure the conditions and the application provided to both the planning commission and the board are the most appropriate and contain accurate information that will allow the commission and the board to make the most informed decision on the half of the county. Next these few items that I'm going to know are generalized from the conditions that staff is going to recommend. These staff recommended conditions will differ from what you will hear from the applicant. Although the staff and outside the old council have been negotiating for several months, there are some IOTs that have not been agreed upon completely. So staff has a set of recommended conditions and then there are some conditions that will be different from the applicant for those. So these items to note here are going to be based on the staff recommended conditions. Hours of operation. The proposed land-flow hours are six, I'm sorry, that should be six AEM, so five PEM Monday through Friday, and six AEM to one PEM on Saturday. The convenience center for which all of this residence will be able to use is from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. funding through Friday and 7 a.m. to 1 p.m. on Saturday. However, staff is of the opinion that evening hours should be extended to 5 p.m. on Saturdays to include or accommodate this residence to do work during the week. For access, the applicant is proposing to utilize Pine Road Road to access the land-filling and convenience center until the daily tonnage of compensable solid waste hits 1,500 times per day. Except for the widening and salation of turn lanes or safety improvements as required by Mead-on, the applicant will not re-loomate high-growing road. This has been agreed upon by the applicant. Miller Road is still anticipated to be relocated in connection with the facility, however, the final design plans have yet to be submitted. The applicant shall apply for all currents to construct the access room to the project from US Route 60 within five years of commencement of operations of the facility. If the permit is approved, the applicant shall construct throughout 60 access entrants within two years from the date of approval of all necessary permits. If the permit is not approved, that shall be redeployed within five years of the data approval of all necessary permits. If the permits are not approved, act that shall redeploy within five years of the receipt of the rejection of the application of, sorry, the applicable permit. Once the U.S. drops its entrance is constructed, it shall be the main commercial entrance for the facility and Pined Grove Road shall not be used for the delivery of compensable solid waste. However, Pinedro Road may continue to be used for access to convenience center. The applicant shall speak all entrance-runs daily, whether permitting and excluding Sundays and holidays. The applicant will repair any damage to Pinedro hydrobrone caused by the construction of the facility and damaged by tractor trailers delivery waste to the facility. As for the landfill liner, the applicant will utilize a double liner system that will be installed under the waste disposal area of the landfill or its functional equivalent. Buffers, in addition to the buffers required by D.E.Q. and V.D.O. and except for areas required for entrance roads and facilities, shall have a buffer and setbacks of not less than 200 feet except as noted on the mouse plan. For the facility height, building a shell-9C-40 feet and apartment structures such as the Leechake Collection Tanks, shell-9C-55 feet, unless approved at the time of the site plan review. The overall height of the facility, including urban nouns, shall not exceed 545 feet above sea level. For low computer control, the advocate shall have employees patrol the property within half a mile from the intersection of the facility, as well as from around 60 to primary road to collect litter, no less than twice per week, and upon reasonable demand of the county. For noise, lighting, and odor, these have been addressed in the new conditions. Also, there is now a complaint investigation provision included with more details to follow. The community liaison can complaint investigation condition. The applicant shall designate an employee of the facility to give questions, inquiries and complaints from county residents relating to the operations of the facility. This person's contact information shall be made generally available to the residents of the county by posting on the facility's website in a visible location at the convenience center and on the county's website. Her force of the written complaints received by the community liaison shall be provided to the county monthly and minimum via electronic communication. And then we have the land fill liaison. This will be a county employee, an independent contractor, and a third-party engineering or consulting organization, and shall not be an employee or contractor of the applicants. The applicant upon receipt of the land of service permits shall reimburse cover a county up to $125,000 per year to degrade costs and expenses of this land bill liaison position. The amount of the reimbursement shall we adjust the annual rate by 3%. Link of the A- shall be adjusted annually by 3%. The length of the A's on will monitor and inspect the construction of the facility, and once operational, the waste disposal practices of the facility, and monitor and confirm clients with all requirements of the host agreement, the Zoni ordinance, this conditionally used permit in the group, and the final site plan in any of them that's there too. No expiration on this divisionally used permit, this CUP will not expire. For compliance and violations, the Board of Supervisors reserves are right to terminate the CUP upon any noncompliance with anyone or more provisions of the CUP post-agreement and or permits used by the EQ after an opportunity to cure the noncompliance. For community-unilative planning implications, I read about that. The following goals objectives of the 2023 Autism Plan would be achieved by the proposed conditionally supreme. Will eight is to create diverse economic opportunities. Objective 8.2 is the county will encourage the development of service and retail businesses to meet the needs of the current and future population of the community. Next is Objective 8.5, the county will utilize all available resources to maximize the organization and effectiveness of economic efforts. Sorry, economic development efforts. How would you be patient? The applicant held a meeting meeting on August 5th of 2024 right here in the middle of high school cafeteria. The planning commission held workshops with the applicant on January 27th, 2025, figure eight ten as well as a joint workshop with the inward on March 3 of this year as well. Notice of this public hearing was posted in the Cartholpeiro on April 9, April 4, April 11, and April 16 of this year. The public hearing notice was posted on the public hearing's webpage from Canada website, as well as all three full-time boards located in the administration building on March 31st, 2025. Enjoying property owners, we're sent notice for this public hearing in the first class now on the same day. And the Green Ridge Project has a dedicated project page on the County Web site which is continually updated with political documents, notices, and links to audio video recordings of the pages for this project. The Green Ridge comments at Kumballi County.org Virginia. The email address was created and went line on January 23rd of this year. That email address has produced communication for four county residents as well as communication on behalf of the AMD Pinder project. There are a few comments received from the joining property members regarding this project. So the commission wish to recommend a approval of this proposal, staff has provided 30 conditions with which the planning commission should consider recommending to the board of supervisors. These staff recommending conditions updated April 11, 2025 are located on pages 32 through 44 of your meeting happen. The following information is based on or the foreboding information was based on that staff for permanent conditions. With that being said, I would like to offer up to have the representative from Secretary Blacher outside the council to to come up and speak to the commission. Mr. Charles Williams. Thank you. Just a lie. Oh, yeah. You're working on internal options. You're trying to know. Hello. Good evening. Good evening. My name is Charlie Williams. I'm appointed in in the Jimtry Lockers. You're definitely good. Can you hear me? I heard her going to speak right into it. Speak right into it. Is that a man? Yes. Good thing. I think it's important for everyone to know what we were engaged to do, the more important for what we're not engaged to do. We were not engaged to advocate any policy position on this application. And we are not and don't intend to. What we, what we did initially is to evaluate from a legal perspective the existing relationship between the county and Green Ridge as it was in the end of summer alleged year when the new committee process was initiated. We did that. Then we were asked to review the proposed conditional use permit terms and conditions and the proposed provisions of the coastal agreement. The conditional use permit has evolved quicker and the coastal agreement will be turning to that shortly. But in this process, there were several bills, one was to try to identify in order to avoid problems that are at home associated with landfill activities. Secondly, considering the possibility that there may be issues involving of operations or construction, no closure later on. We wanted to create a legal mechanism to adequately address whatever they can make come of that. And we may want to talk about that more later than the evening. We did. We were provided, I think, all of the public comments that were lodged with the county over the last several years. We tried to take into consideration in our legal evaluation any factual situations that were disclosed, doing those, excuse me, achieving those comments. We met with, as you well know, we met with you folks in a close session a few weeks ago. We met with the board of supervisors on the number of occasions we have had one-on-one meetings, two-on-one meetings with board members. We've extensive discussions with staff and we've tried to understand and apply to our evaluation the culture of a couple of county and the new anything that was unique or particularly worthy of consideration. We are mindful that there are loans to this land build project and we try to be respectful with all perspectives to be certainly mind-blowing and length with those that are opposing the land field. And I might add this so that there's no doubt, there's no question in our mind that the consultants and professionals that are proposing this this land field are entirely confident. We don't question that at all. But we're trying to focus on the nuts and bones of the facts, the radical aspects that you focus on all need to consider because any landfill is a big operation. It's a long, long term proposition. And there's the time to get it right and we're trying to help you as best we can to do that. If you have questions during the course of this meeting or if you have questions later on, you can communicate with us with a cap or a staff member there. That's it. Start want my car CCLA for have 15 minutes. Yes. Thank you. I understand. I hope it's shorter than that. That is my goal. Can you hear me now? No, no. No, no. Okay, now can you hear me? Yes, there you go. Okay, we titled this thing, you may not know, but sure. And this is compared by the company and the land-girl alert work. And we would like to take a minute to say we do appreciate to work with the planning commission Mr. Beasley would get us able to speak here this evening. However, we didn't have any concerns since here tonight who want to speak at this meeting. There were rules tried to stay within the time, other out or perhaps a little less. The Cundin County Landflow Alert Group CCLA was founded in 2018, the R.A. United Group, in opposition to the proposed Green Ridge Alliance to sign a major multi-state land field Eastern Common County. CCLA was incorporated as a Virginia non-stop, nonfast corporation in 2020. Our mission is to preserve the history, clean air, and water, safe railways, the rural rail line culture, and a long and established local community in Combo Canyon. And we have a petition out there both on our website and we've had people sign line and we have over 5,000 signatures of people on the residents playing field. Our major concern is continue to be block contamination especially of our private wells, traffic issues, environmental justice, noise, near-approission, residents risked to the health property values, etc., ever changing and counter-diffy information for pre-image. Environmental damage is putting to our landlands, wildlife, navigate damage, and we don't like it on a walk with a guest such as the rats, the sea balls, etc. We have been very active over the last several years. We have meetings with the EQ first now, including Director Roy Baylor. With the DEQ meetings, we would discuss the differences between the terms of the CUP and the Host Agreement and what Greenridge submitted to DEQ. DEQ's answer was they didn't want to get involved in local government. DEQ assumed things were approved with the county since they had not heard of differently from the county officials. We also had meetings with the stakeholders. And in meeting between Greenwich and CCLA, we were asked what CCLA would like Greenwich to do. We responded to cover the cost for wealth testing for all residents within a 5-hour radius of the site, big enough water quality issues. If the problems can be converted to the land for operation, then Greenwich will accept the responsibility to correct the problem given it's possible to do so. Item number 15 of the staff recommendations for the CQP, they will grant water and monitoring states in court. Permitting, show out the county to install additional grounds water and water when I was on, at or around the facility, under the direction of a full bank, ground water scientists identified my being cute at the county's expense of installing a monitoring. These well-shubby located in the areas that do not plus straighten the operation of a facility. I would like to mention that this was changed on this past Friday to read these well-shubby located in the areas that do not not physical interference, the construction and operation of the facility. That doesn't answer our existing question. What about the existing crime of wealth? That is the real concern here that we have. Not inside the site. Residents have more shallow and deep wealth and greenery, just part of the inner gridney per chip the cost of ensuring the safety of your own, not mine. We, the people, need our local government officials to step up and do what is right for our population and not for our nation. Please keep in mind, EPA states all brand-fills will be. The lines of air tea, and eventually leak will leak too, coupled with slow dependent residents having contaminated water. Please note, if that contamination gets into the James River, it will contaminate water, barbeque on people just in a coupling camp. Okay. Kelly Mawentoning basically over the last seven years to county did not complete any water turn at Green Ridge's, a Green Ridge's combined of the CQP with a noose agreement. If they had, we would not be here today throughout this process, as they would have been terminated due to my compliance. This CUP does not address county monitoring requirements to include time permits for making reports to court and to the general public on the status of compliance with the CUP in post-agreement. The citizens were very active. And we've blessed the updates on this as well document that we wanted to be updated. The excuse is not reasons by past the present board members include, we didn't sign the contract. It isn't the hands of the state. Prior board members did it and we have no set. There is nothing on right. We didn't even want it to count. A level was staying abreast of what was being a Smith DQ by Green Bridge.'m a doctor. I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor. Okay, CCI monitors DEQ website devoted to the Green Ridge project almost on a daily basis and reviews the documents that are submitted. The DEQ website has over 5 pages of documentation supporting Green Ridge's efforts to get the necessary requirements from the state federal agency. The Army Board of Engineers held 2.5 on its green to 7-year period, and the EPA submitted a 20-page report on the proposed land bill. Hence, it can be said that green ridges was not able to get the permit of no fault of the county, and that's key, it, that note vault of the county. We have seen improvements in the county that many will do to following forward receiving grants and other resources without any operational income for the proposed land bill. Stephanie already addressed, I'm 27 of the CPP, no expiration notice of termination. We found that this is not acceptable. The county has done well without bringing your same account from a project that will do on the level of damage to our county, our environment, our way of life, our water. beyond the other, our believable thing in this section is that Green Ridge can terminate the CQP with no force of effort. If you ask, excuse me, again, we ask who is running from the camp, our Lord, for Green Ridge. And going on to the next slide, we'll talk about herfins. Do you use a pine grove rope, timeframe for several veterans from Route 60 and the V-Doc through me? Pine grove rope uses two spots available to local residents. Many in the area uses rope as the nature means of getting throughout 60. this usage has increased over the last seven years due to new growth in the county. Others will speak about this as it is a major concern. Time frame is all unreasonable for taking necessary permits for the post-separant interest. First and foremost, what has changed for green Ridge over the last seven years, and so will Tim's to get the necessary permits and be in the United every time? To make him think of, what makes him think that it isn't impossible? In addition, the time for getting the permits is successful. Based on the information available on Section Section 90. The first line of self-taip ring is permitting shall apply all necessary state program permits to construct an asset for the facility of Route 60 in conjunction with the announcement of the operation. There is no idea how long it's going to take to become operational. So there, this is for no idea. It goes on to say that in the event the necessary state and federal permits on a lot of truth, the permitting shall reapply to the necessary state and federal permits for about 60 out access and expatio within five years of receipt of rejection of the applicable permit. If any point the permitting should apply to county, come to the county to expand the disposal unit boundary as the final condition number nine, or applied to V-Doc, a V-DQ of authorization to exceed 1500 pounds per day, a way permitting each of reapplied the necessary state and local permits. Now we have Pongro-Rerrub being used for over 10 plus years in still no separate entrance. This is unreasonable and definitely not what we the people want for me. V.Dont Pergund, well, severed public hearing, V.Dont, concerned the changes in use of all pinder, growth and mental length. If not, there should be. Results have a right to be heard. And my final slide is about what about Camille liability? Has viewers looked at all possible liability on the port of the camp? Not only present but also into the future. Is a surety-wond sufficient to cover closure costs. What about health and welfare instances? If the water gets contaminated, it's going to be a disaster for this camp, and we can't afford it. This project cannot be looked at as a new business that's just starting. But as another landfail location for the PAN company, GFL, known for green for life, headquartered in Canada. One building has local officials done a GFL. Do you know that that on December 31, 2017 the total debt of GFL was $1.9 billion. Is there a reason? And as of December 31, 2024 the total debt of GFL is now $7.35 billion. We also are questioning why is there a reason why the county will not disclose the terms of a $400,000 free payment of tipping fees, loan, address in the amended host agreement of 2019. And the big one is GFL financially strong enough to handle the on-perceive, who will they bail me and leave the county holding the bed. A case in particular, if you can think of Bristol, Virginia, it's a good example where more than $60 million in cleanup costs and in the need to raise taxes. And residents still do not have any guarantees that there will be a lot of an air pollution or harm. This is true at many other locations where there are. They have built some other businesses that they should rely on in the environment. How am I doing? Two minutes. OK. We would like to thank the Planning Commission members for the opportunity to speak before you this evening. I hope that you will contribute to consider this also for other groups. We know that others are ready to speak. However, if you would like more information about us, please visit our website at cclasba.com. CCL I urge you, so if you'd like to members to recommend not with the CUP, CUP, request by Greenwich to the board of staff, supervisors. Look beyond the dollar signs and consider the potential to get a strong employment. There is tar generation and generations to come is too great. CCLA will continue to oppose land bill. Always keep in mind what if I can just say water and water is the only one we have. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. That's true. And now we'll hear from Green Ridge. And I would like to have the same 15 minutes. Is there a person who can take it? I don't Rich. I represent Great Rich. I'll be mindful of the time when I know it's a long night. We've also had three work sessions. So we've covered a lot of the information as it relates to this project. It's important so all is we've done. So I'll skip through a lot of the slides because one of the things I wanna do is I'll address briefly some of the comments this Mayors Day, but also when we go over some of them. We work in Dilip. through a lot of the sides because one of the things I want to do is I'll trust briefly some of the comments from this Myers-Bey but also when we go over some of them. We've worked diligently with the staff and the gentry block and come to a funeral almost all the conditions that are a few I'd like to bring your attention and think to complete an assamete of those weeks earlier. A few things that this Myers said, as you look for, the Omega, the Lane, Landfill and Multistake, as we may clear the conditions, we have to dramatically reduce the size of the landfill, both for the turners of the footprint, the amount of content that it can be accepted. And we may be very clear that it is a Virginia-only landfill in terms of the waste, which is very needed in all sort of this area. As a matter of fact, one of the conditions is, except for direct hauling from cumulin, palatant and adjacent localities, they can only accept the waste from Virginia transfer stations. So it is not accepting a multi-state. I would also know that in terms of the suitability of this site, there have been years of work on this, as we've talked about more than $20 million of investigation. And DEQ has found that this is a suitable site. And we're not working on the exact design of the line for it. But that is what DEQ is in. And we've never been denied a permit. What we're doing is trying to get this landfill off as soon as possible. And part of that is we have designed the original phase, So we will not affect any screen or any, any, any, uh, any wet at all. Uh, and then when she talks about the wells, one of the things from our diligent investigation, now we can tell you that there is only one well groundwater from this site, only flow stream, exactly one well. That3-kine grower of water, which is 1100 feet from the waste disposal battery. And groundwater moves from about 2.4 feet into 8.7 feet. But as part of the permitting and part of the EQ process and the part B, is we will add groundwater valves all around the disposal site so that we can detect it. It's difficult to conceive of the double composite liners we've discussed in the length that they can be illegal, but it could be caught almost immediately with all the valves that we need to put in this conditional use permit. that the county, if it wants additional wells, even an open and public monitor can wells, even a bug would need, he wants, we're perfectly fine with that, we welcome that. I would also note that we've made a double-thumb positive liner, which far exceeds what a standard would it be. She mentioned the Bristol site. We're going to be above the water table with a double proposite ladder. Bristol is a case. It was actually a municipality or a localities landfill where they actually used to pour it and were bearing waste below the water table, which obviously is a very bad idea. But in terms of some of the conditions, I'll go through it since I have 15 minutes, and we've gone through a lot of the presentation here. Let me get to some of the changes that we have in this, and we have worked very closely with staff and with Mr. Foster and Mr. Wiggies. But these are some of the un-significant conditions in this case that we've heard from seven years ago. We've met originally, we'll relocate fine-gohood, but we know we location of fine-gohood rooms. We know waste disposed, waste of fine- hot road road. We put in there that if there's any damage whatsoever as a result of the construction of the tractor trails coming in, while hot road road is used, that the green bridge is responsible for maintaining and repairing the road. Obviously we cut dramatically the waste disposed of the area as well as the cottage for the day. And while we're on hot Grove Road, which is a grand total of 75 trucks, we're limited to 50 hundred tons a day and no more than 75 tractor trailers. As you've seen and been submitted to the county as a traffic impact analysis, it shows that we're Pine Grove Road. It can well manage that amount of craft, well below the capacity of our work. The county does want us to try to locate and expand, it's important to the county and to hold us. So we made a commitment that we will apply for an expansion through the connection room 60 within five years. That was the time that the county suggested, and we've really made great to do that. And additionally, if we expand beyond the original hard and for acres of disposal area, and have to go through a lot of good through the minion side plan, and the county can require another traffic impact analysis at that time. And we'll force out a community liaison to handle any questions and complaints. We agreed to not accept fly ash. We have a double deposit liner, which is not talked about is probably $80,000 a day a month. And then we're accepting the anti-freeze motor oil from the county buzzards. And we're also in terms of dust, for example, a grain that a minimum of 120 feet from the nature trod, and into the land side will be paved. We've got a phasing plant and emergency management contingency plan and we'll be dark sky from flying. I do wanna say, there are some conditions that give us that we have a disagreement with our urge you to accept our language. I think on some of them, there is, I don't think Stan would have a problem with. But on condition number five, unacceptable waste, specifically 5G dealing with ash. Initially under the original CUP, we did not accept flash, but it could be used for beneficial purposes like boroughs, roads, that sort of thing. Step 15, I can say, we don't want any flash. We can readily agree. When we said, in addition to cold flash, it's also the heavier ash, we won't accept the bottom ash. And then we talked about that any other kind of ash that we can prohibit. We obviously cannot accept anything that is hazardous material, whether it's ash or it's solid, you cannot accept hazardous materials. So we talked with our engineers at TRC and one of the things that generate ash. And they said the two other causes of that are if you were to accept ash from a waste energy facility or an accelerated facility, we're not. So if you'll see in my 5G, I identify specifically what we cannot accept in terms of ash, which is anything called the mushroom, anything called waste energy, anything from the consideration. But staff's definition is so broad. We take these very seriously. We can monitor that. If we're not taking hazards waste and we're excluding those, we don't want a situation where we've somehow taken some non-capacity as ash to protect between the definition. So we would urge that you and stuff, our definition, which initially, the concern was, don't take coalmash. We've actually broadenedened the prohibition in our definition of match. The next one is the convenience center and number seven and number eight facility health. We obviously are agreeing that we're gonna have to be in center for the residents. In addition, as part of the host agreement, we're gonna be accepting and disposing of all the waste from the other transfer stations. But in this condition, staff was really pushing for us to identify the hours of convenience centers for all of these they could. But my initial reaction is that's not a health safety of welfare issue, that's an economic benefit, which is actually more appropriate in the host agreement, which we're going to have in the host agreement. But in terms of the hours, the staff has suggested a timeframe that's roughly on the operating hours of the landfill itself. And we really can't do that. We can't have a number of employees, because we need to be made. We're not going to have convenience center where there aren't people supervising what's coming into the convenience center. I don't want the county would want us to do that, and we certainly don't want to do that. So in my conditions of seven, I'm making a convenience center that's while the event is operating, and then hours for the convenience center, we are saying 7 to 6 p.m. money through Friday, which will last people before and after work. And that from 7 a.m. to 1 p.m. on Saturday because we're closing the war on Saturday. But we're not in a position simply stay over just for the convenience center till 5 to 6 o'clock. We think there's a reason for hours. We can talk with the board from the host agreement, but those are the hours that we think that are probably at least for the conditional experiment. In terms of the number of the wealth, the experience of offers and setbacks, I think this is a friendly amendment, because we agree that we're going to have substantial offers, but also extensive screen. And one of the things that the staff initially had was to have additional plannings about the rates and trucks. We thought in addition, we may want to have some actual problems to make it higher which which would provide even further screening if there's a place that that's appropriate. So what we had suggested in 12, my 12, is the only changes that also had possibility of using burns in order to screen and talking with Mr. Wade. I don't think that's an issue. I won't stand to have an issue with that. Ground war and minor thing, we had worked initially, the language was that the county can have any number of additional wells that they've wanted to, in terms of the minor trick. And we're fine with that, but the work that was used was the frustrate. We had to be allowed to take the frustrate, the landfill operation, that sounds like a possibility. We'd suggest it's something to use you physically in a field to take you to the North and the World. One of the largest though is 17 facility enclosures. And then it would have been our condition, I think it's condition two as well. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, been our condition, I think it's condition two as well. I had submitted, I don't know, is there a separate sheet? A condition two would be, and then it is well-esgotten. And the number is this. DQ has an extensive recollections on how you have a closure, and post-wo of a landfill. And it involves, I think, you have a recenthetic liner and you have two feet of materials and soil. You have all kinds of vegetation. You have to design the slopes. You have to grow, you have to maintain it, you have to monitor it for at least 30 years or having an issue. And so what we have put in 17 is before we do the final closure plan, we would submit it by an advance to the county for their time. The EQ are one of the experts. And the second aspect of it is we can't do anything. We need to do this is the way you want to do the closure. That's the way we need to do the closure. The staff's planning which in this case has an in there. In addition to the EU, we got to get approval from the county of what that closure, the closure plan is. That is so open in the, we don't know what that is. We can't agree to have opened into sentence and says whatever the counting decides at the time of closure. What we agree is what the huge requirement and also having this condition to be permit to extend standards are increased. As we're amending our plan, we We've got to meet any upgraded standards that then exist. But it's very important, one thing one county to have input is the one that closure post-war time should be. That means to be a key musician with their the experts. And we certainly aren't in a position to agree that there's some-ended sentence that says, and whatever else the county will. We don't know what that means. And so we would urge you on 17 to accept our language, which means we've got to follow all the regulations. We'll submit it to the county in the two years of mass for their comments. and that will be the follow the fulfill clients from the state of regulations of how you close and how you monitor a land job. As you can imagine, we don't know what the language is whatever the county grows. And that would be almost the contradiction to PQ, which need to do it. And the county has additional requirements. And county doesn't really know what those additional requirements would be. But we have some specificity that we can have at our point. But those are the changes I think that condition too should also, when I submitted on Friday, strike to the approval of the county from the proposed closure, the closure of the post-work plan. That is a very large issue. And what am I meant? So I will be, there's a lot to go over that I urge you to recommend approval of this matter. We obviously have much less infuriating the impacts than the previous couple to prove we have so much more information and provided detailed information from us from three prior work sessions before giving the staff county fully protected. I mean the standards that we are agreeing to, the double composite line are far next to us. So we don't know any length of the country that has these standards in terms of the liner system that have ever had a problem, what's so out of the terms of the big H. But we also have situations with all the monarchy, and we can address that if some unforeseen circumstance that are happening is something that I've heard. So I'll be glad to answer any questions that you have. But we think this is a very good project, and we appreciate all the time and attention in detail, which you put into this copy application. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, members of the commission, if I may, I'd like to ask that my house a little council come up and speak to those comments as well. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I won't come in on everything. Mr. Schumacher said. I will take a few minutes to talk about the ASHA particular. ASHA is a very delicate subject when it comes to environmental regulation. Been around a while, probably over 30 years ago, ASHA was pretty much a instead of the man that starts most. More recently, and yes, it's a good red dye. Ashes become a much more regulated stubs as the wind more sensitive to it. I think that what Mr. Schumick said is that the fly ash and bottom ash and ash are from energy. Probably the most bothersome types of edge. We want however the count to be protected in any kind of edge. To give you an example, let's suppose you had a building, an industrial building that burned down. You have access to somebody else in disposal. We don't want this additional future for me to be construed in any way to allow that, if that material is otherwise objectionable because it is as hazardous materials. And Mr. Chewbacke pointed out in fact that hazardous materials as hazardous subjects and various hazardous components are already forbidden. since we have a specific section in this distributed unit for a bit, dealing with ash, we want to make sure that it's absolutely clear. Not subject to some later interpretation, but absolutely clear that any ash that can impose an unreasonable risk of danger to the county is prohibited. That's their position on on ash and that's what we advise the state of it. With respect to paragraph 17, that is one that I think we can overcome. But the position of the county is not that we want to position the county to arbitrarily impose conditions on re-arrided at any time from the beginning to the end to close your post closure that are beyond the powers of the county. Then we don't want this conditional use of it to be construed in any way that the county has weighed and it has rights and every variety is, and every authority was so ever to protect the citizens of this county. If you look at the statues that relate to the general powers of the county, The very first one is that it is the, basically the county may have dot measures, any such measures in needs and speed into securing and promoting health safety in general, wherever, welfare, or any such as. We don't want the county to be in any way, in any way to take any action that would weigh them. To be more specific, the state code also gives you counting. And this is just the exact, I'm not giving you a comprehensive speech on landfill management or waste management. I'm just talking about the fundamental objectives that we were trying to work on. We wanted the county at any time doing the construction, operation, closure, or post closure of this project, if you choose to approve it, to be able to exercise the rights that are given to the county to protect the citizens. Whatever that may be, we can predict what's going to happen during the life of this landfill. What we do know is that it is probably going to last 30 years, an active life of 30 years once it comes operation. After that, we can expect at least another 30 years of closure monitoring. So we're talking about a project. And let's say it takes them a year and a half, two years to build it. We're talking about 62, 65 years from now. There's no way we can predict what from half of doing that very well. And we just don't want the county to be in a position where the DEQ approves the program and we agree with the with the free rid the demands of getting a permit or great. The DEQ regulations are very comprehensive but they're not totally comprehensive. The DEQ's mission is not entirely the same as the mission of this plan of mission or the board of supervisors or government committee. You have, and the county has, obligations to its citizens that are beyond those that are specified in the DQ regulations. So what we're saying is that we would like the opportunity to for say it wants to be EQ and we're not suggesting that we want common count as the right length of your permit. We can fact we would evaluate you against length of your permit. But what we wanted to do is if you find that the permit requirements imposed on the EQ are not satisfactory to meet your obligations to the system of this county, that you may allow as consistent with law to impose an additional obligation, an additional obligation that are necessary to protect the county. So I just want to make sure that we understand what the objectives are here. This is not an effort to hack something from Green Ridge or to impose some obligation that is unreasonable orauthorized by law. We just want to do is for the county to preserve whatever it's right to our at any given time due to the history of this land. Thank you very much. Okay. We're now going to open up the meeting to public comments. Before we do that, I would like to ask of the people that are here in attendance. If I show hands, those people that support CCLA's position, I would appreciate presentation this evening. What these are not doing that is because I want to understand, if your agreement with CCLA, I would ask that you not to let me repeat everything they said that you presented something a little different so not just hearing the same thing over and over everybody I want to try and get time so we do have people from outlying counties, counties have that time to make their presentation. So if I show hands those people that support CCL and if you raise your hands going on order, I don't think we should be asking them whether they support everybody here's, rather we should ask them whether or not they are not going to repeat it, what they say. That was what we had indicated was the requirement for them not to speak, was that they had to not repeat what was already articulated. So I don't think that we should be asking them whether they support the work of CCLA or not. Okay but I'll rephrase it then. Okay part of the conditions for CCLA members should not speak separately during the public hearing if their comments are repetitive or redundant. So that's what we're asking you. That's all we're asking you about. I do assume that the majority of you would reduce support that. And here in J. Towers, I'll see you at ELA. It's not a member of CCLA, sir. And we all support CCLA, so I mean, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to show you how to do it. It's a lot of fun. And we all support CCLA. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, if we're getting redundant presentations, we will ask the end of presentation and we'll move on to the next speaker. Our first speaker tonight is Jean Martin. Okay. OK. We're going to open the public area first. We're now open. And when you come up, can you please state your address? Gina Martin, I have 18 cars for the road number one. I am a member of member of the CCLA Group, and I will try not to repeat myself. We want to appreciate the fact that you have some information. Sorry. Okay. The fact that you have some information for allowing us to be here to my, and listening to us have some information. Green Ridge is stating several times, multiple times, that they want to be able to replace Charles C.D. and et cetera, other landfills when their life expectancy is nearby, which they said they are. All these landfills do accept out-of-state trash. Mr. Shoemaker himself, Interproncentation and Interpronon meeting with C.C.R.I. stated that if a person from North Carolina brings trash to their parents a transfer station it now comes to the gene of trash. So that to me is there some guarantees what's going to come from that state. It has been stated that the site was placed to the east side of Cumberland County, slashed on the pallet and found one. So the traffic will be coming from the east mostly 64 and 522. Now they say the trash is mostly one house from West Virginia and Central Virginia, which is bringing it right through the couple of the courthouse in Virginia. And I don't think that's what you'll find that's gonna happen. How does the county make sure only kind of good residents are using the convenience center Are we going to have some type of decals? I understand this has been talked about in the past and I understand we paid something on our taxes for some type of decals system. And you say the county is protected, re-gritched, or protected in the county. What about the people of the county? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Robert Titchie. Thank you. Robert Titchie. Robert Titchie. I'm Robert Bishop and I live in Palatine County. And I own seven pieces of property in common counts. I think it speaks for the citizens itself. Look at the citizens over here. They are not in favor of this land. They are from here over this side. I think that speaks for itself. I've built in five counties, up in the mini-boards. You're boards like this, up in the rubber, that the citizens of that county, I have not fired five people in Cumberland County that is in favor of this land field. I cannot find them. You need to represent your family and put your feet on the knee together. All the way from four generations, in our part, local on William Road, on Clinton Road, four generations and handed this property down. I'm in a process of spending 150 cents for dollars, only house that was built in 1950. I've never years of life of this wonderful earth. Do I need to be concerned? We've handed it down. The wheel has been given to my two sons and my grand old. I don't want my last years of this earth as our progenitor to be considered that it's nothing in price of this property that we've had for generations and generations, they don't de-generate it fast and that's a concern of them. My wife, My two sons, and my granddaughter are not in favor of my field in common county. Thank you. Thank you. I'll go wait. I'll give my children for you. You don't need a mic, Father. I'm going to wait. I mean, thanks for giving me your free. You don't mean I don't like boxing. Good evening everyone. My name is Diane and I'm a little 25- mile rope. Come and count the gym. Can speak for some of my employees. Good evening everyone. Thank you. My name is Diane and I'm a resident of the county. My address is 25-8. Now a row of the common count of the gym is 23-0. Have a couple of concerns and I know you You said that in the morning we were done to see, but I'm going to come and count it because you need to be two, three, zero, four, zero. Have a couple of concerns. And I know you saved them one evening with Dante. But I'm concerned, and I'm going to say it, just one thing. I'm concerned about how are you going to do? How is the monetary, where this trash is actually coming from? How is that going to happen? It's been stated that the trash is going to come from other land fields here in Virginia. But how do you control something from Mississippi, Alabama, New York, Maryland, and other states coming into Virginia and eventually possibly in a business land field in Carmel County. Are you really concerned about the health and the citizens? We weren't about to one well that was stated that's gonna be effective. I have a hard time believing it's only gonna be one well, a very hard time. In the double composite minor, what happens to the waste at that bridge? It's going to be in the ground, correct? What happens if it breaks? What happens to the rest of the trash? I'm having a difficult time, but even how this duck is going to benefit the county as a whole. How much money is really coming in? What about our traffic? I live close to 60. Travel 60 quite often. What about that traffic on 60? The only thing you're going to provide is a turning main for the trucks that are going to go down the high ridge in Melbourne. I find that I have a hazard to the county. I'm now understanding the amount of money that I've heard that this dump is going to be paying to the county. In my mind, I've seen the numbers. I don't see how that much money is really going to benefit the county. To have another concern that this dump starts at a small part of it, and then it's going to increase and I did a quick math, that some of the acreage or some of the footage or the on the property is going to exceed what the original plan was. I've all been to several of these areas and I've heard the initial, the initial, the initial plans. So how large is this dog project actually going to get? There's several, there's a lot of other things, I haven't kept up with the times, but I'm going over time, but I'm going to end there, I'm going to get 20 seconds, seconds. I'll just end that there. Thank you very much. Thank you. I can't remember the first round. Will I say there's Branch Wilton? May I set my timer so that I can keep time? I would like to see it myself. No problem. Okay, thank you. I'm going to be sharing. Senator Tom, great goodness. Good evening, Quentin Commission. Members, my name is Soma Branch. We'll say, and I am the current president of AMMD Pine Grove project, our address is 267 Pine Grove Road. And I'm representing 1,000 descendants of the Pine Grove community. In an early conversation with Jerry Seeper, he stated, this landfill will be my legacy project. So let's talk legacy. Legacy, picture this in 1825. A courageous free black woman took her whole step and purchased a modest parcel of land for $50, laying the groundwork for generations of our families to be living in Carmel and County. Our ancestors like my sixth great on Gracie Mayo are but one example of those who toil diligently to acquire land they have been cherished and passed down through Generations. We are not outsiders. Our roots work run deep in Carmeland. Unfortunately, this tradition is a serious risk if we allow a dump to become our new neighbor. My generation and those that come after absolutely refuse to coexist with such a blight on our community. How will the county thrive with an elders only demographic? Legacy, Nell Matured in 1917, and Tuskegee Rosy-Walls' full doors, committed to educating black children in our community. This historic 108-year-old institution has been a pillar of learning and a hope of community life. Yet, in now-faces, the threat of being overshknotted by a foul stench of a landfail. Who would choose to immerse themselves in the history and culture and a living history museum when they experience this marred by the offensive odors of waste right in our backyard are the chasing to the green ridge. Further, access to this treasure site will be hindered by truck traffic or historic wide-grown road, making it even challenging for visitors to reach. We recognize that for some, the preservation of historic black places may not seem urgent, but for us, descendants, and those who have lived experiences in our beloved Pine Grove community, the legacy of our space means everything. allowing a dump to intrude upon our historically black community is more than just inconvenience. It sends a clear message about how you value our heritage, health and legacy. So I urge you to reflect on the history, health implications, and the hard conversations that you must have to stand from against Great Ridge. This is your chance to make a choice. Are you going to prioritize people or profit? The economic argument is for the land of your country to not end up the methane netting. And we must stay united to protect our community's legacy. Rise and Sester's rise. We are going to go to the next round. We are going to go to the next round. We are going to go to the next round. Miriam Miller-Brench. Good afternoon, esteemed planning commission members. I'm Muriel Delengrange. That's my baby girl. I am President Emeritus of AMMD Panagal Project, which was originally formed in 2018 to save and restore the historic Poundment Room School, which I attended, as once again, to serve as a hub of our thriving Black community. The school which was built in 1917 by Black families to educate their children doing Jim Crow segregation. We have been working for seven years to protect and restore this historic landmark, which adds a potential coupled with other historic sites in Converland to be a revenue generating tourist designation. Seven years ago, I came before you to implore you to say no to the approval of the landfill in our community. And seven years later, armed with so much more information about the harms of the landfill, that the landfill will pose to our health and historic resources, and even more adamantly opposed. I grew up in Converland County. I attended Pine Grove School. I graduated from Luther Porter Jackson High School in 1960. So I take this person. As a minister of the I would like to appeal to your moral and ethical obligation to our community. Is it fair to expect county residents and taxpayers to pay to extinguish fires called bad cause by the buildup of methane gases for which land fields are notorious. With the volunteer fire department is it fair to ask families to absorb the extra expensive caring for a sick child or an elder who has been exposed to toxic humes and dust from the landfill with no full-time doctor to care for How safe will it be to travel along Pine Grove Road with seventy happy-duty trucks in and out of the land field? Traveling along Pine Grove Road. What about our safety? And for the record I did here something that I want to correct We are a Jason we Somebody else went like two minutes over We are a Jason to the great bridge property Can you hear me? Archive laser 1975, Cardinal Bill Road, Cardinal Bill Virginia. Education Civil Engineer, student of sanitary engineering and the Beck, who was a designer of one of the first landfills in Mount Trash, Florida, Virginia Beach. One thing that really just serves me and that I have to yield some words that I thought about, but we are sitting here negotiating and arguing over what's going to go into landf. When that's going to go on a good decided, y'all should decide what they could get. And they're not telling us what they're going to do. The other thing that this matters to me is every time we come here, the game's been changed. It's been a clinical dissonance, but finical that way. They put a different shade of lipstick on the same pig, but it's still a pig. Now, people from Pinebroke talked about traffic. And that's one thing that is close to me. Have any of y'all seen one of these 20 ton trucks dump its load on the road? I have. In fact, I got a, got to see it again last Thursday. If you go to that big landfill over there on Rockville and Managing Road I watched the big one double and double load. Trash everywhere. Emergency vehicles all the way down the ramp going down 64 trying to clean the mess up they had to bring in track cars they had to in. I guess we'll have some pictures on our website. Took a couple. But we got that kind of equipment here. We got to buy it. So I'm not going to buy it for us. Who's going to clean up this trash when it gets dumped and it will? No problem. be 75 trucks a day. That's what's said equal to. That equals to six an hour, one truck every 10 minutes. That's just the... Don't, that's the garbage. How about all the other trucks you're going to be hauling and stuff from construction sites and whatever? You want to see a nightmare? Go down the garbage. How about all the other trucks you're gonna be hauling and stuff from construction sites and whatever. You wanna see a nightmare, go down the dead landfill and go down and look around the roads down there, around the rock hill. I've talked to people down there. Those things aren't the roads aren't exactly the slaughterhouses, and like I said, they have their share of accidents now has changed the whole demeanor of that area. You go down there and all you see is trucks and garbage trucks. It's a nightmare and you guys have the ability to stop that. What is, you guys got it. Once you answer, do it right. This is a key answer. If you do it wrong, it's on you. Thank you very much. Jackson Park again. Thank you. Members of the commission, I'm Kale Jaapty. I'm a law professor, UVA Council to the Amundate Panger Project. Jackson is a student of mine. We should be in the non-resident section, so that we're just wanting to correct that. And then I think separately we have a press from us to speak as counsel at the end of residence. And we're going to address that as soon as we're finished with the rest of the room. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much. Colonel Henry Marshall. I'm going to get my car to the end. There's a light in the hole. There's a great, great room. I'll see you later. Good job. Good. This is how it looks like. Good evening. I'm Colonel Harry Balsall. You are probably retired. A part of graduate is coming from the 20th schoolul 1947. For some good reason, the law of the West will be here and perhaps in the same with the same with you tonight. Mount Dermud is called by a landfill of significant and continuous studies have shown That is effect to people living around love, around the land feels continuous and significant for examples, suffering from the effect of the eyes, getting the food, and even at least the study shows cancer. So for those who live near the land field, this will be what we will be waiting for you. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Applause. I'm gonna follow this and I made this pronounce his name. Lakshini Thjord. I'm also not a resident, but I am a resident of Buckingham so I can speak to you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Jerry Dunford, please. Good evening, the planning commission members and fellow citizens here. My family, not that this is part of the land fields, pros or cons. You mean the sacred name address please? Yes, I'm sorry. 140 to Jared Dunn for 149. Thank you, Senator. Thank you, Senator. I've only been living in the county one year. I've been coming to the county for over 75 years. As a taxpayer, now I feel I have a say about certain things that the county, such destroying our water, air, the smells, the bugs, the snakes, the rats, the siggos and the buzzers, the viruses, the bacteria. You're going to put all these wells on the property, obviously, the purpose of that is so you can test the contamination when it gets in the water. You're going to try, they say, to resolve the contamination. I don't know how they're going to do that. Some 45, 50 years ago, the DEQ allowed a small company in Hopewell, Virginia to produce keep home. Today you can't eat the fish in that river because of it. So they may have said they're going to fix it as well, but they haven't fixed it. run the river south or east or east of Hogwarts. When the expense of fixing the wells, it's too expensive. They're going to go bankrupt and leave. The citizens are going to be here for a thousand years dragging the water at the can. Why don't we want to take a chance on destroying the environment? Why would you do that? Why? Take the trash to whoever, wherever, at Alaska or preferably Arizona and dump it in the canyon. You folks know better than proving this thing. You're Looking into all the words that keep presenting to you about this particular issue. Look at the big issue. You're destroying our county. You're not taking care of your people. If you destroy the county, destroy the air, destroy the water, come on. Reject this landfail. Do what is right. You've heard about the trucks. You've heard about the muddy roads and accidents. Stop this thing, guys. Ladies, whoever is the part of this commission, do what is right for the county that you're supposed to be protecting. The majority of this county does not want the landfill face the facts and reject the landfill. Thank you. Michael Sattaro. That's everybody do tonight, my name is Michael Sitaro and my address is 71 high weight weight trail in Carmingwood, Virginia. I just kind of wanted to reiterate to you guys that something that was mentioned earlier that 7,000 Virginia residents signed a petition against this landfill. So there's not a lot of widespread support, but there's a lot of widespread opposition to it. And many of those residents, in fact, the majority of those residents are common residents. So what you guys to know then. The other thing is that according to DQ's own statistics, there's plenty of capacity left in Virginia landfills, as well over 20 years left, so this landfill is in need, Greenwich keeps telling us it's needed, it's not. If anyone feels free, look into the deep, to use statistics, this plenty of capacity left in the state of Virginia. The other thing I wanted to stress is this whole thing about 100, I've been part of this thing since the very beginning of fighting it. This whole 100 acre landfill. That's because of the constraints greenery drain into due water issues for the EPA and Army Corps of Engineers. So their plan is initial phase. All the paper work has got initial phase, initial phase. Once they get their foot into where they're going to expand. Jerry wants to have a legacy of multi-state mega land. That's what he wants. And that's what he's striving for. He knows he can't go big time getting in. So he's going in gradually and incrementally, incrementally increasing, that's his plan. The other thing is that all of us here, we don't have the capacity to have water from anything other than our wells. So once these lines leak, which they all do, they're not guaranteed. It's gonna be a water issue for all of us. And you know, it was gonna have to remedy that to Canada. It's gonna cost big money for the county, and it's gonna happen. It happens in all of them. The other problem is, you know, the pine grove is a storage site. Something that we should be proud of in the economy. Instead, we have trash trucks going down the same road to access that is storage site, that's horrible. It makes the county look terrible. The other thing is that all other landfills in this state have four lane access roads. Bringing these big trucks in on a two-million roads without shoulders is crazy. You know, you even have a truck run off the road if they get a flat tire or a little turnover. You know, this road is not designed for that kind of traffic. In fact, there's a V.O.V. study of October 2020 that recommends billions of dollars of work needs to be done to that route. And that study was done during COVID and before these trucks. So all it's going to be is more people being killed, more traffic, more issues. It aren't resolved on a two-lane road. The other big landfills have the trades coming in on railroad cars. So it's going to be a big problem. You get a lot of houses built on 60-in in Carmelville. So that's going to have another profound effect. You know, separate new houses right there on a 60-close to it before you get in in Carmelville. And that's all I'm going to present in Carmelville for these people later on in this landfills. So, you know, is that the kind of legacy that you guys want? Again, thank you for your time. I just want everybody to remember. 5,000 residents signed against this thing. Thank you very much. Is it Renard Garnerson? I'm Steve Committee. My name is Ardler Goudoufou and I live on 57th November. I have several parcels of property that border the landfill. I have a nice property that I hunt. I grow my own vegetables and I was envisioning retiring there. Therefore, I have a vested interest in keeping common rules. and I was envisioning retiring there. Therefore I have a vested interest in keeping common rule, clean and healthy. Now, I unfortunately also have an engineer. I have a master's degree in engineering from a German university. And I can tell you, all landfills lead. They take a lot of time talking about state of the art design, double winers. Guess what? The Titanic was state of the art. All landfills leak in the sludge contains a lot of hazardous materials, including PFAS, which are the forever chemicals. But once they're in your water, you can't get you can't get them out. You can try to clean some of the heavy metals, but it costs millions and millions and millions of millions. And guess what? They are an LSC for a reason. This is going to be a blank on Cumberland County that we love the day. For a long time, it's's gonna poison our air, poison our water, destroy our nature, and destroy our confidence finances. That's all, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Barbara Spies, thank you for your time. Excuse me. Good evening. I really haven't planned on speaking tonight, but what I wanted to say is that you say if you could see your address please your name and address. Okay my address is 50 hidden lane, Comberland District 4, own three parcels of property in District 2, 277, 289, Card is real Road and a London Pipkin Road. My family on both sides, and it is Spees. My other side of the family's last name was Pipkin. There's a Pipkin road Both of my families have been here for Many many years Both family homesteads are within a mile of Clinton road. I'm not a newcomer to a congruent. My grandparents, my parents, my aunts and uncles, and there was, I think, 23 aunts and uncles. And and then they married so I had a lot of towards family but I feel like I need to be here to represent all of them because we have loved this county my father and the common restaurant he was a building inspector for Camerolyne for a while. We have done a lot. I mean, we love this county. We love the atmosphere, the rural areas, the cleanliness, Bear Creek Lake State Forest, James River that I kayak in all the time. We don't want a landfill. My two adult sons who are 32 and 34 have just moved back to Cumberland. They're like, Mom, why did you get us to move back here? We already have to drive from Carter'sville Road to Richmond to work. Now you're going to have us next to a landfill. All the new homes that you see going on. All the young people that we now have in Congress, in which we need, when they start driving down Route 60 to work and realize what a nightmare it's going to be, they're going to leave. We don't want this landfill for multiple, multiple reasons. And it's, I just, yes, I get very emotional. My family hunts, fishes. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Mary, could you mind? Thank you. Thank you very your time. came here. in 2017. My to be close to family. My father and his family are from here from Cumberland. And my husband and I came here and we just really, really love it. I'm trying to picture, we come from New Jersey, okay, so we come from the city. We left traffic and conjectured and all of that that goes along with it. And we moved here and we just really love the community. We love the people. We love the space. We love the quiet. We are just really part of the community now. I'm also involved with the AMMD Pine Grove Project, supporting that project as well. And I'm trying to picture what 60s are going to look like with dumb trucks traveling back and forth. and I'm trying to picture what 60s are going to look like with trucks, with dumb trucks traveling back and forth. And I'm trying to picture the folks who come to I do a lot, I hike a lot at Bear Creek. I'm trying to picture what the folks who come to Bear Creek with their campers and their families and the lot of them stay a couple of weeks or whatever. I'm trying to picture what they're going to think of. Koundalins don't. How are they going to, you know, how is that going to affect that traffic and getting that, those that little community because they seem to be, it seems to be a community they are in their creek. So I just would appeal to the Planning Commission. Thank you for your time. I thank all of the people who are involved in opposing this dump and the time and effort that's gone into it. It's seven years of fighting and I appreciate it. I'm sure the rest of the community appreciates it as well. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening, Harrison. Good evening, thank you for letting me speak. My name is William Harrison and I'm 501 Amfield Road. I just wanted to say, just to address the point about the initial phase of this project, it is going to be smaller than it was, but it is very clear. GFL is a $17 billion company, and it's going to be as large as they possibly can make it because as large it is and the more profitable it will be. So I think that's certainly that will be their intention. You know, you can't be fooling yourself about what that is. And I just want to say the residents, particularly closest, but really all residents of Carmel pay an enormous cost for this project, for what is really a transitory budget benefit. The possible well water contamination is enormous. The odors haven't been talked about that much, but that's been very prevalent in many landfills, GFL. You'll be in this trash truck parade. Also the potential fires between 2020 and 2023, GFL had 14 fires at its landfills. And all of these issues significantly impact the health and the well-being of the residents, and certainly the historical resources as well as the environmental resources. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Ten sorenzi. Avery County. Thank you. Ten, so Wednesday. A favor in counting. Thank you. Is it William Farr? William Bruce, is it Willie Bruce? Well, your Bruce 63-18 Lane, Combo, and Virginia. The first line that was told was in the farm bull hair. It was just going to be a recycling center they said. Now another lie that was told tonight will not accept any hazardous waste. Not going to accept pain, acetone, fingernail polish, Dreno, all right, got it, no hazardous waste. This board, I appreciate your time. I know you can pay for your time, but thank you. But I want you to tell these people that you have no vote in this. Your vote is just a piece of paper that says, I don't want it. I do want it, okay? But there's no law being made tonight. These people need to come back and talk to their board of supervisors. They need to email the board of supervisors. Don't call it, there's no record. All right. Now we're dealing with another CUP. Where's the first CUP? Oh, it's still active. How can we have two contracts active? Listen, guys, I know you have the ear of the board, but why don't you get on the side of the people and say, look, something about this doesn't smell right besides being a landfill, okay? This is underhanded contract, is the underhanded, they go to every place in small counties, that's what they do, and then they're just coming to hear and they're just saying, oh, our initial, we won't accept hazards, you never heard of a dead body in the landfill thank you keep the leg keep the leg Holly I found that sir I love your door region Oh. I'm going to have to go through the door. I swear. I found that, sir. I found the door. I found that. I found that, sir. I found that. I found that, sir. I found that. I found that. I found that, sir. I found that. I found that. I found that, sir. I found that. I found that, sir. I found that. I found that, sir. I found that. I found that, sir. and your address. My address is 146 Brown Loan. Seven years ago with Porta Superplisers, Leeson, the county-based Greenwich properties and questions from H2, which is the county's very micromanly. It does this move. Yeah, it does. Seven years ago, the Board of Supervisors resumed the county waste green rich properties in question from H2, which was the county's agricultural and default residential zoning to industrial and use to accommodate county waste desire to build a multi-state landfill. The 2018 re-zoning was a near-tuxed bookcase of so-called spot zoning characterized by being primarily for the financial benefit of one entity ignoring the county's comprehensive plan and providing no protective surrounding buffer zone. There's a complete disregard for the rights of the surrounding property on horses and with their properties and the uses allowed within that zoning are threatened with a potential irreparable disruption by what many consider to be an objectionable enterprise with a possibility for catastrophic environmental damage. Now seven years later, Greenwich, having failed to accomplish the original condition we use for that in the a lot of time, returns to requesting new condition we used for that without time limitation and with a thinly veiled intent to incrementally expand to the original plan or something very similar. Others here tonight will undoubtedly detail and have detailed the many potential problems with the CUP and its associated project, where the CUP to be approved and remove control of our county from its citizens and their elected officials, and turn control over to Greenwich and to the inconsistent, unfocused, and just to know this like a multiple state agencies and interests. Until such time, as Greenwood should decide that, for any reason, it is no longer interest in doing business in our county and has extracted all potential pain from its operations in our county. I ask that you, the members of the Plank Foundation, as an advisory body, send a clear and hopefully you then message to the Board of Supervisors by rejecting approval trail Palatine. I'm directly across from the proposed entrance to the landfill. I attended the first meeting seven years ago where support members point I'm directly across from the proposed entrance to the landfill. I attended the first meeting seven years ago where subordinates pointed out the audience and said we were throwing a hissy fit for being opposed to this. Well, the hissy fit continues. I'm not going to repeat the things that have been said tonight, but I do have some things I'd like to point out. My question is then what? Then what? If we get a fire, then what? When the liner leaks, then what? We're proposing to hire a county employee as a landfill liaison. I don't know about you first, but the folks that write my paycheck are pretty loyal to who they're gonna be loyal to. Then what? A community the Aeson was the training then what? The thickness of the liner it's double what does that mean? What's double me? I asked at the first meeting. What's the thickness of the ladder, it's double. What does that mean? What's double mean? I asked at the first meeting, what's the thickness of the liner? No one could tell me what it was. Not the engineers, not Mr. C for it. Nobody could tell me how thick the liner is. That's all the standard between me, you, and the nasty coming out. Then what? If a leak is detected, then what? Then what? It's not just today. It's not just, oh, well, let's figure out about having those passives. Then what? We're going to live here with it. Then what? A perpetual CUP. I have a college degree. I run multi-million dollar businesses. I've developed subdivisions. Perpetual? I think your learning council would tell you. That's kind of silly to sign something perpetual. Come on guys, perpetual. I'm gonna finish with this. It was said here tonight by Learned Council. We can't predict what's going to happen. Then what? Thank you. Thank you. Good evening. for our IGF 51 review. Thank you, Mr. Tu. On April 25, 2025, we will be with you. Just to handle it, ask if V.Dot represented directly about the comparison between a primary road versus a rural road construction. Primary road has a base sub base, road base, finder base, and racers. A rural route is pavement over the existing gravel road. That road is not going to withstand the weight of vehicles. I drove track and trail, and I can tell you, cross-procise expressways get 14 inch deep trenches for the tires and trucks. This road's going to take more nails in that. It's not acceptable. My road should not be considered whatsoever. Another point I got about my road road is their DEQ premises that moved to 428 acres, they're starting at 104, where a phase two expansion is 350, when a limit of 428 was that 428 gonna go. That difference is gonna go to West Side of my bro and they're gonna use my bro was a permanent entrance to that Western section of the Lakeville. That's my prediction. At Erwin Resultation, Green Resultate that lines this way of planning is equivalent to that use of hazardous material waste fuels. They mentioned DEQ's various differences, if you do not, don't compare with whoever. Erwin Resultation GR State, that they know of no-time-a-lake fuels that have leaked. PQ grease from not have yet, but all do blink according to DQ, and they will lead it's inevitable. Alright? Though mild earthquakes are relatively frequent in central Virginia seismic zone, this below us, we're on top of it. It's going under the lane field. It does not produce higher magnitude events such as California does, but it's certainly the 20. 2003 of 4.5 magnitude earthquake was set under the power to income in line dead center of land landfill. Okay? Now 5.5 magnitude was August 23 of 2011 in middle area. Then still the same size being sold. This is an active zone. All of these used to be first address this false. First we have false lines. That's California. We have a different type of destruction of services on the surface here. The head of a land or landfill is a construction and demolition degree landfill. Since 2021, they have eight monitoring wells that are detecting exceeding limits of certain chemicals. They have tried every way to get these you to back off and change the limits and everything else to make it comfortable for them and they haven't done a thing about it. I do not believe only one well is in jeopardy from this landfill. I know they say it's going to travel west but why is it going to go west? That takes it to a feeder creek, a perennial creek below my property and feeds it to the muddy creek. Once you you cross that some broke road, beyond that is Carson. Good night. Thank you. I think we've had one county residence before we move on to non-residents. I have a question for the commission. There's been a request made that are to allow Representative representative from A and D speak for three minutes representing the attorney's here and might make sure that anybody have a problem with that. Come on up. More on order. Are they a resident of the county? And so are we required to hear anybody else this not a resident of the county? We are not required, but we did say before the meeting that we will allow not residents if we had time. So we're going to prolong this meeting to be the reason for her to go into a melody. So make it this way. So, and I Yes. For long this meeting is further to go into another meeting. Absolutely. So make a decision. Sir, I'm sorry. And I'm including everybody already know where I stand. Mission matters. I personally fail. And I thank most of the Commission does. That with the magnitude of this situation, we should allow everybody to stay. And here are. Now, personally, I'd like to hear what AMMD has to say. It's three more minutes. I don't see a problem with it. I do would like to hear them speak, but we originally had indicated something about a timeline. My suggestion would mean that we scratch that timeline and we had to be here until 12 o'clock to get this done. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. We have one more current resident that was signed up. He may not have heard his name. His name was Mr. Jones and who was William Jones. OK. So he is one more Carmel and resident. We know a lot about this being. Thank you, sir. I apologize for missing him. That's right, you probably said my name and I didn't hear it. Is this one? Yes, sir. I think it's William C. Jones III. I've already put a wheel out for my son and my grand son, which is a hit. Can you hear me now? Yeah. One of my mini jobs is working on a lab field. I'm not going to take something, the beachy tank, mini rains,flows. There's not one that doesn't. There's water has to be sucked up, transfer it out, and don't, somewhere. The liner? I don't care if it's 14 liners thick. It will be less than 3 quarters of an inch. One to about, back forward, one, four by nail. You're done. You gotta leave. If you drive front and load it over top of that, you're gonna drive it into ground. I'm talking daily use. I'm not talking about, we're gonna propose this. I'm saying physical stunt. You take one of the steel tractors and drive over a nail that's permissible in a dog. It's going to puncture that line. You're going to have linkage. And more pressure you put on it the bigger the grip gets. We used to haul 85 tankers because of the storm. The main thing is to bring water off the land. And they dumped it into James' grip. Okay, so Dream Ridge is not going to drive it all away to a dump site. They're going to find a hole underground, back it up to a creek and lit a river. And that's all I got to say. Common sense, day by day. Thank you. Okay, ask to the point of allowing the A&B in speech away from it that we're, I feel like to step up, please. Thank you. You stayed your name and representation. Thank you. My name is Kato Jaffe. I'm a lawyer in the Law Professor at the University of Virginia. We are representing the AMD PINDO project, CROBONO, with the Environmental Law Community Engagement Clinic. I want to just start briefly in the presentation of the outset from the county mentioned that there has been no comment from an adjoining landowner as Muriel mentioned earlier. In fact, AMD Pinder project is a directly adjoining landowner they own that property gym, owned in historic Pinder of school. And they have filed three letters specifically with the county and opposition of this project, one on December 12, 2024. They joined letter from the Southern Environmental Law Center. That was filed on February 6, 2025. And then most recently, I'm on behalf of Council to AMD Piger Project, followed letter for them on March 7. And I have with me the March 7 letter letter got copies for every member of the planning commission which I'll hand this Stephanie if she wants to pass those out. I'll do that at the end of my time. I do want to all hand those to you now. I have to need more. Let me know if I can. OK. I do want to state sort of that the three points I just want to touch on briefly. One, of course, a central concern to that AMD Pinegrove project, or the historic resources in the historic Pinegrove Road, of course, the school. And I would just know that the Virginia Department of Historic Resources has documented eight sites that are potentially eligible for inclusion on the Virginia landmarks register and the National Register of Historic Basis just on the Green Ridge property. That's eight historic sites potentially eligible for designation on the Green Ridge property. In addition to the historic impacts, I also want to mention the risk of of expansion, you've heard that from other speakers tonight, and I will just note that the conditional use permit references, 1500 tons a day via the historic Pinder Road, it would be more than double that, according to the draft CUP on 3500 tons per day, offering 60, and of course, my post agreement still references 5,000 times per day. So I would say the one solution might be to avoid this, the handles and those under the tent problem would be to look at a conservation easement to the accounting, to limit it to the initial size. And then finally, I would just say there is no rush. The host agreement says you all have a legislative authority. Enjoy that discretion. Use it. And note that the Virginia Department of Environmental Quality's most recent annual report on landfill capacity stated that by the end of 2023, we will still have, by the way, we still have more than 20 years of a land-toe capacity in the Commonwealth of Virginia. So there's no rush on this decision, complex issues before you. The hostry even gives you the authority to exercise the legislative discretion. And we urge you to, at this time, recommend to the board, rejecting the CUP as proposed. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Okay, when you get to the department, you can just state your name and where you live. Thank you. Hello, I'm Dr. Alachmi Thiori and I live in Charlottesville and also have a residence in Bacchini. I have worked with the A&D Pine Gros since 2018 and I'll'll speak up a little bit. Oh, sorry. I'm on the board of the M&D Pine Grosso project, and I've been working with them since 2018. What I'd like to say is that this UP hearing is really about a pivot point for Connellan's future. The planning mission carries a really heavy burden tonight because your decision on the Green Ridge CUP will impact every aspect of this kind's future. We know this from other counties who have faced the same decision and made what I consider the wrong decision. Presently the site that the Greenwich has chosen is surrounded on all sites, as you know, by a nationally eligible free-block-built rural historic district that was lauded by the National Trust Force Dirt Preservation, by Preservation Virginia, and by our own Virginia Department of Historic Resources as a very rare, largely untouched rural landscape, which has at this moment four working black historic churches and four historic black schools, a place of planned heritage tours. It's still mostly woodlands, as it was in monican managed woodland times. It's still dotted by homes and farmsteads as when the original pine grove was founded. The entire county is at the moment free of major sources of toxic pollution. Its water wells now neither share aquifers with significant sources of toxic air pollution emissions nor lead chains from soil and water contaminate them. If you approve the use of Pine Grove Road and this site for a landfill, you're not just spoiling the future of that road and that National Register Black School, but this decision will determine the entire county's future economic development. Why? Because once a decision is made, you will be at a fork in the road. Will it become a hub for much needed housing developments, which is already happening? A business that bring good, healthy jobs? Or, like other black, historic, and rural land-made plethora, land-worn places in Virginia, will this start an unhealthy domino effect? Once a rural Virginia county approves, a toss-including facility due to promise financial benefits, its future of healthy development is compromised. The $750,000 agreement claims it will save the county amounts to one up-up-up-up-up cost home, or three lower cost homes that developers or individuals will not build in Converland. What grocery business will risk investment the $25,000 for environmental studies will only serve as a lesson in the true cost of environment on injustice. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Can I wear you still here? Oh, see you. That's not. That's right. If you could pronounce your name for me, I got it. I got it. Science, he. All right, thank you. I know. I think we just want to do that. Let's say you can get a tutorial. Can you hear me? Yes, sir. It's probably been about the name, right? Not the name or pronunciation. My name is Tim Switzky. I've spent a lot of time here in Caroline, I realize that I also have a presence in the ocean, but I also have a member of the Steer Club and I work there. One of my experiences in the world, in all over the country, I've been on the long-term Virginia, a place that I've been facing in my fields, where I've had filled through those walls. And there's a lot of common beings, one, when they are approved, things always change, and there was a worse than they were told. Two, what's their group? They always used to be. And three, this is really important. Never, whatever I ever heard from a community who ever said they wanted one of these six. It was always in the joy of saying no, it didn't mean ignored. Bristol County, I've talked to people from there. Bristol has the poster child that lied you don't want on the end of the bays were told at that time that that landfill had all the bells and whistles to. That they thought of everything and that one too. That they could approval and this is in the guidelines of DEQ-2. Nobody wants to go to Bristol County anymore. No businesses want to go to Bristol County anymore. No people who are already lit there have hard time in their homes because of that landfill. If we're a lot more in the science than always people. I can tell you the science, every landfill leaks, every landfill leaks toxic air, every landfill makes people sick, every landfill drives out property bugs. But in the days study, after study confirms this, it doesn't matter. And everyone who's here is against that and that should matter because these people pay taxes to. These people contribute to more economy to their places that drowned out by a big company who has a big promises, who will probably promise a big and under deliver and they be drowned out for that saving the county's $750,000. Is that the price of giving more kids product right to turn you else? Is that the price of lower property value? Is that the price of making sure you have returned your back and with people who voted for this, who didn't vote for this? It's a simple question. I really think it is because there's been so many problems that could have been solved and it's just if you can ask Green Ridge to look you at face and write down can you guarantee with 100% certainty that this project won't harm the health of our community won't lower property values of our community and if they say no, it's not worth the cost and if they say yes, you ask for right now, you may be sure it's reliable from that because people here here deserve better. Thank you very much. Thank you all very much. Thank you. Thank you. I don't show anyone else from outlining areas that wanted to speak, is that correct? Thank you. Go ahead. Are you making single-stitions a turn here? I'm Mind Differous from Israel. Okay. State your name and worry pump voice. Good evening members of the Plenty Commission. My name is Jackson Martin Gell. I'm the law student. I'm trying to live it in in Charlottesville, Virginia. And through the environmental law and community engagement clinic, I've had the privilege of working with the Annamagee Pine Grove Project. And learning about all the valuable resources that are bought in around Green Ridge's site, I agree with Annamagee Pine Grove Project that historical resources threatened by the landfill are important to protect because of the story they tell about the heritage of who we are as a nation. I want to touch on four issues. The historic resources in Cumberland County, the impacts of voter from the landfill, the risk of landfill expansion, and the fact that there's no urgent need for land bill capacity. First, history. The historic Pinder School, which is on both the Lymphrogenial Landmark Register and the National Register of Historic Places, is a special place. I think one useful way to think about this land though is how you would feel if there was a landfill next to the places you care about, whether that be a stream that's perfect for fly fishing or a house of worship that holds a special place in your heart. The atmosphere at any special place would obviously be impacted by any landfill nearby. Second odor, residents in Campbell County, Virginia, living near a landfill are still complaining of a foul odor. Some 13 years after problems with the landfill were first reported. And that is despite the managing company rolling out new technology in an effort to reduce the smell. So as far from guaranteed that green bridge will be able to manage the odor in a way that doesn't bother residents. Third, the risk of expansion. There are serious discrepancies in the daily disposal limits for the landfill. In the draft conditional use permit, before the Planning Commission, Green Ridge proposes a daily disposal limit of 1,500 tons, and that would more than double to 3,500 tons per day with an entrance offer for its 60. And the host agreement still references a limit of 5,,000 tons per day which would make this proposal a mega landfill. Finally there's no rush. As you've heard the Virginia Department of Environmental Qualities most recent annual report on landfill capacity in Virginia stated that we still had more than 20 years of lack of capacity in Virginia's existing landfills as of 2023. There is no blooming crisis of storage. The county's host agreement with Green Ridge explicitly provides that the county does not quote, guarantee zoning approval for the landfill. And that the host agreement shall not quote, be construed to require the Board of Supervisors to exercise any legislative function in favor of Greenwich. So there's ample time to resolve any problem with the landfill and deny this application for a conditional use permit. Thank you. Thank you. Can don't believe we have anybody else wanted to sit here and hand up and back. Yes, ma'am. Can you please state your name and words from please? Good evening. My name is Genevieve Keller and from Charlottesville. I'm a native for Virginia. My ancestors in the Flipped and Flavena County since the early 18th century and occasionally in Cumberland County. But the reason that I'm here tonight is to support the members of AMMD on the immediate past chair of the Board of Preservation, Virginia. And we think that time grows is one of the really special and important significant places in our cultural landscape. I don't want to repeat what Kale Jaffee and Dr. Ford have said tonight, but I do want to reiterate to you how important we feel this is. Our staff person was here and he planned to speak, but he left thinking that he could not because he wasn't a resident of the county. So I urge you to take this very, very seriously and to protect the resources of your county, the cultural, the natural, the environmental. They're very important to you to all the people that have spoken from the heart, from the brain tonight, and it's important to everyone in the Commonwealth that you take this charge seriously. Thank you. Thank you. So we will have folks with us here and we will move on to the Commissioners' comments, questions. Mr. Daly, I think you have a statement. I have a prepared statement, yes. I'm going to do that now. Yes, sir. Despite significant improvements to the CUP since its first draft, and certainly over the 2018 version, and acknowledging the hard work of staff, advisors, and fellow commissioners, I cannot recommend the CUP to the board of the federal board for the I remember the reasons to just buy. First, this document deviates significantly from free market principles, which I firmly believe had historically driven major economic progress in human flourishing. Unlike a truly free-market agreement involving all effective parties, this conditionally used permit, and particularly the host agreement, establishes a partnership primarily between the local government and the applicant. This is problematic because the property owners most likely to be in fact are excluded from this agreement. Further more, the distribution of benefits raises concerns. I urge my fellow commissioners and board of Supervisor Members to consider, Is this land if this land filled, generated, no revenue for the county, would we still support this application in its current form? The inherent conflict of interest arising from the county's financial state inevitably compromises impartial judgment and justice. Compounding this issue is the flawed contractual structure which solely involves the county and Green Ridge. Any equitable agreement should directly include property over its potentially hung by the land bill's operation. Address the crucial aspects like restitution, compensation, arbitration, and revenue sharing, which are currently absent. The CUP's reliance on Virginia Department of Environment and Water and County oversight offers little comfort to those facing potential harm, particularly concerning water contamination. While the document mentioned regularly toward advice, it's alarming lack, sorry, it alarming we lack any provision for resource should our water supply be damaged. In such a scenario, protracted legal battles between the county and Green Ridge would likely leave the affected residents in dire straits, potentially without timely or just compensation. This glaring omission extends to property values. while the applicant assures us of no devaluation, this Thomas lacks the tangible security of the CUP provision for just compensation should property values in deep decline due to this length of. To truly protect the community, the CUP should include a mechanism for independent third-party audit nearby property values relative to comparative areas to periodically accept, access, any negative impact from the landfill and ensure fair compensation to affect the property owners. Second, the CUP inadequately addresses proactive prevention. The stipulation requiring litter patrol only twice weekly and a bond county demand exemplifies this reattent approach. Reliant on the twice weekly collection rather than implementing measures to prevent litter escape altogether or ensuring direct compensation to affect the property numbers is insufficient. High wind events, for instance, could easily exceed the capacity of such infrequent patrols. Further more, placing the responsibility on the county to initiate action based on reasonable demand is a reactionary burden. Given the inevitability of litter escape with landfill premises premises as is common with such operations. The CUP fails to outline any meaningful recourse for neighboring property-yongers burdened by the refuse. While littering is a misdemeanor in Virginia, the CUP offers no clarity on its enforcement in this context, nor does it ensure that any Penalty's legging would directly benefit those properties, those whose properties are affected by the later. Third. nor does it ensure that any penalties led me would directly benefit those properties, those whose properties are affected by the litter. Third, the CUP entirely neglects the potential for a noise pollution during the construction phase. Are we to assume that neighboring property owners most simply endure this disruption to their decent trafficability without any reports? This is patently unjust. The sea of peace should mandate an agreement between Green Ridge and effective residents that ensures fair compensation for this temporary but significant deterioration of their living environment. Alternatively, in Greenwood, generally we believe construction noise will be negligible, the sea of peace should include a legally binding promise and a clear mechanism for restitution should disprove untrue. The current absence of any mention of construction noise in the CUP is a critical oversight that needs immediate correction. Fourth, the county's decision to forego CUP review, in this case, is a concerning act of negligence, especially considering that less impactful CUPs typically undergo regular scrutiny. While the applicant's reluctance to repeat the CUP process is understandable, a CUP that shall not expire or terminate and has no time limit on construction and operation is simply unacceptable. A more responsible approach would be to mandate a review of the CUP every five years. If the landfill operates without significant community impact or CUP violations, automatic renewal for another five-year term would be granted. This periodic review would provide essential oversight, reassure references that this business is not receiving preferential treatment and allow for adjustments based on any unforeseen consequences. If the applicants are competent in their operational practices, they should readily agree to such an amazing and more renewable process. Fifth, the CUB exhibits a troubling over-reliance on external entities for crucial safeguards. For instance, condition 21D regarding VJ management essentially trusts the state's plan to adequately protect our waters. This assumption of perpetual and flawless state action is not supported by historical evidence. Similarly, relying solely on Virginia Department of Environment, or county oversight for enforcement, ignores the reality of inconsistent regulatory effectiveness. The solution is not to passively depend upon external bodies, but to explicitly outline mechanism for restitution and just compensation within the CUP for any violations of property rights or environmental harm. This same issue arises with Edo. Given the pressures beyond cases, we cannot solely depend upon their assessments of the landfills impact on our roads. Increased traffic and road damage are inevitable. the effecting those living closest to the landfill and commuting nearby. Yet the CUB fails to address this disparity in impact. Instead, placing blind faith in the VDOC and General County oversight. It does what many governments and business partnerships do. It particularizes the harm and generalizes the benefits so that those who harm and boast have those way. In conclusion, I can now take great conjects, recommend approval of this conditionally to permit to the board of supervisors. This document fundamentally misconstrues the principles of fair agreement, involves the wrong stakeholders to the exclusion of those most vulnerable lacks essential proactive safeguards and critically fails to establish clear and just of Avidus for restitution for the individuals and property owners who will inevitably bear the brunt of this landfills adverse consequences Approving the CUP in this form and in this current form would be a disservice to our community. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Thank you, everybody. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Thank you. I wish there was any comments about Mr. Donohue's statement for a position or any other things like that? Again, Mr. Chairman, if I may, I do want to remind the commission members that we do have help. I would not say I've said, I mean, he's saying that the whole lot of premiering that really that was that absolutely right I think we'll count some earphones as your piece of your county attorney if there are any questions regarding the application I would like to just say thank you to everybody who is from all parties involved in demonstrating that I've been being one of the younger members on this commission. It's been throughout the life of the Connolly, a topic that's come up all the time. I have a land built land built. been very, very nice to hear that there's a lot of other aspects in common. What comes are a full of historical, what the mining and building packs have. And better this, and then this, and that. I think what we're showing, some of the same, and all the work that staff have done, is to look at where we begin with the CEP, what CEP is now, what the pressure, a lot of facts on the work, which we know are these encounters. I like my step in the same life and more question also, beginning with me, we're hearing about closure versus post closure. And we seem to be not a clear elimination there, which we Okay, BQ or DA, EPA or whatever, you seem involved in the closure of the site. But that doesn't seem to address clearly to me what I would consider not even for a post-posure, which is that this site would be, if it were to be approved, operated as lifespan, and come to an indefinite rate, and then what checks and monitors are there, and I think it's a very ordinary, ordinary, and unique, counts of the both sides, absolutely, particularly that. I would like to have details as far as what exactly that meant. I think that you were a victim last-parted in here. The beginning of it was the meeting in Council in Council, and there seemed to be some disparity between building in what is in the condition of this moment? Consider closure or was it considered a post-closure? And that would be it. Are you asking a question, will the council or you just ask? What do we have a best directive to? It's just a general question. Do we have our best directive to go out there? That would be a correct and first council. Absolutely. Bill, that's'm sorry. Did you hear the question? The regulations. The right thing a light of a lane to a certain category which one is the permitting process. then there's the construction process, and there's an operating process. And there is the closure process, which occurs in the commencement of the termination of receiving links. And it is a formal process, and it is a prescriptive process. Lots of engineering requirements that stipulate what happens when the closure of that, you know, after the waste-bring means to, hopefully, the preventative. Then there is a post-logging phase. After that, during which there is regular monitoring to determine whether the closure was effective. So that is the series. Maybe Mr. Schemelec has a different perspective than you would say. Sherwin, if any of my fellow panelists, the spirit question, being trying to use condition use permit as passionately possible, that there is going to be growth in the county, there's going to be ways that are going to be the best way in, and there are conditions in the permanent proposed to where the applicant is helping and some benefit of the convenience centers in such as with that. But if the project's going to be closed, as far as we're receiving, we're going to fill out pressure. And then that plays into also which initially, reading it was very strange to me and I thought it was that the community negative, the initials effort, having one of these meetings and the information about it, I can't fully accept. As far as being permanent, not inspiring or what they're being in, whatever language is in that condition. So that's positive that it will be indefinite thing to be checked if it was going to be in there. But it doesn't make sense because what you were saying earlier was that that's what we would be asking for. But it seems like what the professors now keep delineating that, which is the largest part of the business. The negative impact of what would happen to the county. And that was it, it was not clear as to where the current engagement of the to be permanent that we would be voting to recommend or not recommend to lodge for that and with that up in the ground to make a way to say, with good faith that's enough as far as not having a clear doesn't it not? What's going to happen with this thing after it's going I don't know. In the year of the additional move, this term says the additional use permit is in effect doing all of these things of the landfill process. I can't even know exactly what kind of a draft it would want. But the landfill, what I just described from Mill from here to post closure is all covered by an issue from the heat. That permit is active during the entire period of time. And to my knowledge, there is no specific the link on the duration of a post-losure here. If you go on in that way or not. And to end typically, Landfield, and in certain periods of time they experienced good results and show that there's a little bit of no risk. They asked about the total number of years to be terminated currently. Thank you. Can we get speaking in? No, no. Can we speak again? Can we speak in? I'm really pleased to respond to comments that are made, but I understand the time, but I'll general comments. But in terms of this specific question, the way it works, and when we're raising this, there are detailed regulations. point, you use the new fill to length up. I mean, if you make the 3500 times, that's probably 30 sunsures. Then you've got to have their detailed processes where you have a plan where you've got to close the length up to maintain that post-floater. And so what you're trying to do is encapsulate the length of wind field. We've got the double composite liner and everything else beneath. And then what you're doing is essentially under the regulations, you're having a synthetic cover on the top that you don't want the rainboard come in. Up to about two feet of materials and soil and vegetation. And then they under the regulation, certain slopes. And've got to have you round more monitoring on the remnants of all part of the regulations. And then you're going to monitor it for at least 30 years to see that there's no problem at all. That can be extended. Someone for seeing me see an issue, that can be extended. So that's the, that is the role of the closure of post-posure plan. We have the details, how are you going to design, construct it, and then we have detailed parts of the permitting process, how you're perhaps lighting it. And I don't know if I may ask you a question, but they're very detailed, but that's when I was talking about, they're very extreme detailed regulations of how you go about closing land for those and the post-closure. So that's how it's done in the current way. Do you have your question answered? Yeah, thank you. Thank you. I'm going to say my question for clarity. If not for anyone else in the sake of my end, I don't win in that answer or the response or was there any mention of the county view of all any better criticisms of the county? This being potential clarity that we've all attempted to lengthen the time that someone's going on and the county is going to say and it's just going to call that to you. Thank you. Thank you. So actually in the staff proposed conditions, the county will have a approval, but we are looking to have a approval through the closure of the post closure of the assembly. That's in the staff conditions. that is not something that the applicant has agreed upon. Well, what we had suggested is we would give the information for you to have a comment with the EQ, but I would continue to dialogue with Mr. Williams and Judge Mark. I mean, what we want to know is we know what the detailed requirements are for closure and post-closure. Matt, that's probably 15 million dollar processes for a hundred acres. just ignore it. an example of how detailed this closure is to make sure you can encapsulate it. If there are other specifics that the county is looking at, add to that, then we can have dialogue about that. Our one concern is just saying we're going to approve it. We have no idea what you're suggesting. That's the issue that we have. But to assure you, if you look at the regulation, this is incredibly detailed. What closure, post closure, planning must be. And then there's an insurance bond that's put in place to make sure you have the financial worth of where it will go to complete the detailed closure of post closure. So thank you. Okay. I'll just address something. The reason we're not opening it back up for general comments is because one of the commissioners had a question that the applicant needed to answer for us. So we're not opening it back up for public comment because of that. Okay. Anybody else have anything they want to bring up questions? Mr. Puppets? Yeah. We talked a lot about fears tonight. And that's pretty much all we talked about as far as the downside. We mentioned two names, Camel and Bristol, and those are the only two. Which, if they all leave, it's been 32 years since this program started, then the college should be some more examples. Well, I'm not sure how it works. Please. I'm offended, first of all, what would like to thank everybody for the core of it all here tonight. Compared to the surprise we made in the wall back, it was really wonderful. And I think everyone should be committed for that. But I do think that we're a little bit over the top of the field. I think men to the playfields and Charleston and Chesafield and Millie, I walked into the convenience stores and said, you know, what do you think about the slam field feels? And I can't even know what it's, you know, my son has come here. A lot of jobs and again, a lot of information repairs has been kind of misleading. If you go to one job, say, here's a point where you go into the lane land village. It goes on for 60, so it's this report, and you've got to go. No, no. The other thing is, we think that if Cumberwood goes down this land, that the good at ways to make it, that we will have no truck crap, we will have no potential for pollution, for college, for pretty small little kids. And you know, your trip to here may be difficult to mind, But I measured from Pine Grove Road to the county line and button it's 13.8 miles. What happens if play a beat is buttoned? Thank you. Thank you, I tried to ban you. What happens if they say, you know, What? What's the base a you know one one one Okay The two spots so Walking in is taking a lot of things that we have today For whatever reason if we can Is No one in and more track, more truck traffic because the traffic that we've been coming from Egypt be, drain the water from the shore, the water's river runs to come. Side, ball 60, down goes the lake, bars, very quick lake, sports length, all the way down the card, so. Voting a deal is common. It's not the men's who make the crash disappear. It's got to go to someone. We're not going to let you go. We're not going to let you go. We're not going to let you go. We're not going to let you go. We're not going to let you go. We're not going to let you go. We're not going to let you go. We're not going to let you go. We're not going to let you go. We're not going to let you go. How many people here know where mental station or middle junction is? Yes, I think it's rather enough. And I bet you some military experts around the world, though, where the middle station is. It's the largest above ground storage of diesel fuel in the S-L-A-L and heating hole between Atlanta and New Jersey. And it's in the age of comfort. And since 1960, it hasn't caused a problem. Of course, you know, we do, we do, we do, deal with the fire cross and all that. But we can't live our life on just what might happen when there's no more evidence than what we have today. Thank you for your help. Anybody else? I'm going to go back to the hotel. I'm going to go back to the hotel. I'm going to go back to the hotel. I'm going to go back to the hotel. I'm going to go back to the hotel. I'm going to go back to the hotel. I'm going to go back to the hotel. I'm going to go back to the hotel. I'm going to go back to the hotel. I'm going to go also the CCLA for the research. They have done and presented. AMMD, Historia, Political Science major by training. I respect the historic aspects of time view, but there are a lot of historical sites across the country, even here in the commonwealth. There were surrounded by modern buildings, industrial complexes. One only has to travel up into valley around wind troughs and see some of the sites of the war between the states that are within industrial parks. My family has been here before that was a company in Cali. So that puts me here before 1749, or my family here before 1749. I respect their land. I'm a steward at the land. I'm a farmer among other things. And I've heard mentioned about the number of citizens of the commonwealth of the junior that have signed the petition against the slant bill. Well I googled and the US census bureau estimates that there were population of the junior in 2024 is 8,811,000 people. Using the 5,500 figure that was presented in the CCLA presentation, that's 0.00556 of the population. That's a handful. I respect it y y'all, when you were speaking. If you can't respect me, I'll ask you to leave. Now, as far as residents of the county who I'm beholden to, in my district, I've only had three people, say, now to the landfill. What I'm hearing from the people in my district is we can't let this go. We need something to help the tax base in the county. Granted, it's not what I want, but it's followed in nothing. As far as you're concerned about the environment, where were you in 2021, I can't remember which year when the county decided to do away with forestry land use and lose federal and state funding that would have more than made up what they gained from tax and forest land and full value. That is an environmental impact right there because when I drive the county roads, I see fall, launch, and far sl slaying being feared for housing. One of the biggest polluters of the Chesapeake Bay, according to EPA, is private homeowners have a runoff from their lawns into the triptycharice of the bay going into the Chesapeake Bay. You know, I fully support what you're trying to do, and I'll fight for your rights to do it. But I think back since 2000, as a developer, I have brought three projects to Lizard County. Each one of them were rejected by the board of supervisors because nobody wanted any kind. One of them was rejected when the chairman of the board of supervisors asked for five million dollars to just talk to their development. And if any of you are or familiar with Hanover County and drive up into Hanover and you're up between Dawesville and Ashland and you see a coaching rating brand that's owned by the Vignan Power, that was brought to couple in County first in 2001 and it was rejected. We can't have any fun here unless we get something. Granted, I would prefer something else besides the landfill and no offense to the developers. But the tax base of this county cannot be be praised and continue to be praised upon private citizens. Those of you who have moved to the end for low taxes do rule lifestyle, I commend you. I'm glad you're here, but you'll also be the first ones to leave when the tax rate gets too high. I'm not able to leave. I'm going to tell you upfront, my father is going to be for the CUP being approved in September for the Supervisors. I've heard nothing tonight that would convince me to change my vote. Everything I've heard tonight has been opinion, opinion, opinion. There's no hard facts. No hard facts about what it's going to do. I heard somebody mention about the disease, it's going to be a truck every 10 minutes. When I divided it out, it It was not that number. I commend you for being active in government. But you are a small, small minority in this county. I'm sorry. I could say something else, but it would be experimental. Yeah, that extra channel. All right. Thank you. Any further comments? Mr. Chairman, I move that we approve CUP 24-01 and send it to the board of supervisors with the recommendation that it has been approved with their conditions presented by the staff and party. I'm just going to stand for recommendations. Thank you. We have a second. about it, staff and party. Step for. Step for. I'm just looking for. Staff for recommendations. Thank you. We have a second. Thank you. Thank you. So just for clarification, Mr. Murrow, may the commission, Mr. William, put the second in, and this is for recommendation to the board of supervisors for approval with staff recommending conditions. Mr. Matseel. No. Mr. Steven Thonhu. No. Mr. Kevin Mettaus. No. Mr. Keith Brown. Yes. Mr. Steve Rosen. Yes. Mr. Harry Thonhu. No. Mr. Wade Clippin. Yes. The motion failed. Forest first. Alright. We'll be right back. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. All right. We will now move on to Porter. Yeah. Yeah, Jerry, a discussion we've been forward about this. From the question. So just so that I am clear, so we are sending this to the Board of Supervisors with a recommendation for not to recommend it. We're sending to Supervisor exactly what we're sending to the Board of Supervisors. We're sending that to Supervisor recommending that it not be approved by them. I'm sorry, I didn't think I was making a motion be the only motion I was made with approval and not motion failed. If there is further action by the commission, we will need a motion. Mr. Chairman, I move that we forward this to the Board of Supervisors with their recommendations they not approve. Section. Okay, just to confirm, Steve Donkey made a motion to recommend the Water Supervisor for denial of your Swings prevent 2401. Mr. Kevin Mito's seconded. Matt Seal. Yes. Steve Donkeynie Doe. Yes. Kevin Meadows. Yes. Kieber Dallan. No. C. Rosen. Yes. Harry Donnie Doe. No. William Flippin? No. Dimension pass, 4-3. Okay, and now we get a motion. Okay, so now we move on to all business. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Next on the agenda is old business. For item 7, we have potential code limits. This is the one one issue or on what item that it on the agenda, but I do not have an update for the evening. Next is the Cogs Creek Resort Update. The photos I have for you are from the last site visit from April 17th of this year. Here we have a person. Folks, can I ask you a vote down this the whole day? We're still folks, please. We're still conducting business up here. Thank you This is the area you'll see is on the House for the reservoir This was taken last Thursday, the 17th and the current level of the water level to Resort is 339 feet. Full elevation is 345 feet. So, while it sounds like we are all that is done, we aren't technically, but the water has to spread out instead of rising straight up. So, we do have quite a bit of ways to go. This photo here was taken from the boat ramp so here you can see the dam itself along with the tower of the outland across the water. This picture here was taken from the west side of the boat ramp. I'm sorry, west side of the dam looking back towards the boat ramp. Just another angle, you can get a better kind of view of how big this fire water actually is. Those are the only photos that I have for you this evening. However, I did want to let you know I have some good work here, give me one second. I took a hand out to the mic. So the DWR has started putting certain fish into the reservoir. I do believe that they are forecasting that it will be 2028. I believe that they are saying before the fish will be a emphasized to be catchable. So they are predicting that it will be 2028 before the rest of the course actually go into the public. However, I do believe that this rainbow county reservoir, so in the rainbow county will be the one to make that determination. But DWR will be the ones to maintain the vote ramp and to enforce those same laws when it comes to fishing and voting. So also earlier last week I believe I had sent a email out to the commission about a potential site visit to the rest of the war for the next regular workshop that was going to be May 12th. The workshop that's going to be here at the LBJ at the Education Center at 630, and we're looking to view a Residoir site visit at 330 that day. I did hear from a few of you regarding that. I just wanted to, while we have this up here touched base with you guys as a commission to see if that would work for you. I know that I heard from Mr. Meadows, Mr. Seal, Mr. Donnie, you have all heard of whether I heard. I can probably see you know. Okay. Mr. Fluffin, I think you were good. Oh, no. Mr. Hearing on a hue, would you be able to go to the site visit the hot screen at the next workshop? 330? Okay. All right. So I think that's... Okay. So with that being said, also, Mr. Chairman, when we go to adjourn, what means we to adjourn to the joint workshop at 330 instead of 630. So the last sign of our old business, we did have just a solar update. Again, we do have two solar projects, three additional easements, but two solar sites that are active, that are under construction. They are currently, I would say, the RALET property, which is heading towards Harbourville, is on the left-hand side, the way the 1650 come to the road. That project is about 70% when it comes to rough grade. So those sites are still in in roughly when it comes to their main disturbance permit The done property which is on the right hand side through the line towards Farm dog the at 1671 Come on right that one is more 35 to 40% when it comes to the run create staff. So both sides are still on hold. For need business, you have a board as a provider's update. I have nothing to report, and I won't be going through the conference rate with you all. Wonderful, thank you Mr. Sussan. So the next item on the need business is the planning department monthly report, and that can be found on the use one of my group 113 of your board packet. And staff had, let's see, as far as pending requests for steepies and resumings, we do have the conditionally permit for the couple of prior EMS radio tower, the resumming for the couple of industrial park and went to M2, and of course the other two to these years tonight, when we did set for public hearing for next month, and when we have the year tonight. So any permits issued, we had one commercial primary, 15 residential primary and 12 residential accessory. For the month of March, staff approved seven subdivisions and have a total of 15 that are pending. For site plans and surveys, we already have three of those and we have 34 pending. And then on the bottom of the page 111, you'll see the commercial and S permits that are both been which are just those two solar projects. Staff had through nine residential solar permits and on the bottom of the page 112, you'll see the potential code limits there as well. The building of sections monthly or four can be found on the news one, 13, 115 of your packet. For the month of March, the total permits issue were 80, total fees collected were 13,000, 400, $45,61, and total CO's issue were 6. So here to D, there was a total of these collected 31,185.65 cents for total next-minute value of 5,870,500, who is $3.96, so COS issue were 200. And that institution is all that I have for all all this Johnston in particular for all of our hard work in the last several months regarding this. I'm sure it's not done, but thank you. I think we would all agree with that. And our very general citizens comment. Okay. Mr. Daly, Ms. Daly. No. And I think Frank Williams is like I know, Brent. I don't think he's sharing an offer. Thank you. You're welcome. You said it was a comment. I'm sorry. I didn't pass that. Oh, he said right now. Okay, I'm good. You said it was a comment. Oh. You said it was a comment. Yeah, Dr. Pysin, I never thought I'm going to go to the other side and play. Okay. Okay. He's supposed to call you out. Oh. You sign up? Yeah. I said I'll never call what he's supposed to call. I don't know. Okay. Okay. Okay. You can go ahead and take that. Is there any miles? He did not sign up, but he would like to speak. Mr. Bishop. If you'd like to step up, you may. Give three minutes. I'm going to get a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a If you'd like to step up, you may. Give three minutes. Stay before I'm Robert Bishop, I live in Powertown. But I own seven pieces of property. You can hear me. I own seven pieces of property in common. I did my student team in Common Count County in 1964 and I can tell you I am so, so disappointed as to what improvements have been made since 1964. I called on the planning commission in the old Supervis and a Canada interstuit of state. We have got to find something to attract to common county because it's a wonderful, wonderful county. You stay with them. Thank you. I would agree. I would appreciate it. All right. Here we have a motion, please. We have a motion, please. Chairman. Chairman, I'm moving that we adjourn to 12 May and 330. All right. All right. We have a motion, please. Chairman. Chairman, I'm moving that we adjourned to 12 May at 3.30 PM for work shall. Second. Not for a degree of second? Yes. Mr. Tom, can you second it? Mr. Maxill? Yes. Mr. C. Don Hue? Yes. Mr. Kevin Meadows? Mr. McLeod. Mr. C. Don Hue. Mr. Kevin Meadows. Mr. D. Brown. Mr. C. Rosen. Mr. Harry Don Hue. Mr. Wayne Lippen. We are adjourned. Thank you very much. I was thinking of sticking that up. Get those though. I was thinking of sticking that up. We'll get those later. Oh, I'm so excited. So, we've got a man. He's got a man. Oh, I'm so excited. Yeah. Oh, it's fun. Yeah. We're moving forward. Hey, Rob. Yeah. Yes, sir. Yes. Oh. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It's kind of all you have to order here. I appreciate it. Thank you. All right. That's important. You guys want to just switch to the right here. And see you guys with a great morning. You guys want to just show your tears. Thank you. Thanks, guys. Thanks, guys. You guys want to just show your tears. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, guys. You guys want to show your tears. Thank you. Thanks, guys. You guys want to just show your tears. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You can't whisper to me, you know I can't hear you. I can hear you though. You can hear me, you know I can't hear. I can hear you though. No, you can hear me. You know, question about the film. Yeah. I don't know. I know I'm afraid some people are not you. Been looking at it.