is in an invocation. Shall we pray? Heavenly Father, we are so thankful for the opportunity that you give to us to be able to call upon your name. And Lord, to know that you hear and you answer our prayers, we lift up our country to you today. And Lord, we pray that you would bring wisdom down upon our leadership. Father, we pray that you would turn the people that are in our country back to you. We pray that you would fulfill your will in and through the United States of America. Will we pray that you would return us unto the founding fathers' decisions and their desire for this country. This evening we pray especially for our mayor, the City Council members, our City clerk, our City attorney, the City manager and that Lord that you would give them wisdom this evening in the decisions that they will be making. Thought that we pray that you would allow them to have the freedom of your desire and your precepts as they make those decisions here tonight. We pray for the office personnel of our city. We pray for the fire and rescue. We pray for the fire and rescue. We pray for the police. The first responders, the maintenance crew, the horticultural employees, those that take care of our beautiful city. Lord, we pray your protection on each and every one of them as they do their duties. And Lord, we pray that you give them the deportment that is necessary in the work that they do in coming in contact with people throughout our city. Father, thank you for allowing us this evening and giving us the privilege to call up on your name. But we ask it in Jesus' name, amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, please. You see that before we get started and I, if you got cell phones please put them on a silent would before we get started Okay, I'm gonna ask city Kirk Linda, Booswata called the roll please Mayor Fuller here vice mayor daily here commissioner Eden here commissioner dear man. Yeah here. Vice Mayor Daley, Commissioner Eden, Commissioner Deerman. Okay, thank you. And now I'll refer to the City Manager and City Attorney for their announcements. City Manager, I'd like to start with you please. All right. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The next City Commission meeting will be held on Thursday, September the 5th at 7 p.m. This is a note there, Thursday, and that's as a result of the budget hearings. The RIDGE ART receiving date is September 6 and 7 and then we will have a reception on Friday September 13 and that will be getting at 5.30 p.m. with the awards at 6.00 see the note here but we'll overlay that to the commission. And then also to it's that time of year again the Discovery Leadership Academy will be with us on Wednesday September 11th at City Hall 9 AM. And that will be for the Mox City Commission meeting. We always have fun there with the middle school students and gonna present on city operations. I know we always thoroughly enjoy that. Yeah 9 a.m. is when is in one will start and then these are some photos that we had. I had mentioned them at the last meeting but that was from the back to school bash as some of the backpacks that were distributed out to the kids and then we had the firefighter extraction training there behind the fire department and that was some of some of the new extraction tools that they got. We got some donated, you know, totals vehicles and so they were able to do various relief cuts and extraction techniques to assist the fire department operations when they deal with vehicle crashes. And then also to this was all mentioned, and I know I saw it on Facebook, but this was the raised intersection that we put in down there by Glenn Crouton and Cummings right by the school and the park. We've also kind of completed the additional parking there, and that's great assistance for to drop off and the pick up there for the school operations. If we will I know it's about a week after the kind of the first week of school received some concerns just with traffic in the area. At this time I'll yield to the police chief. It will just kind of come up and give us an update as to you know what we're trying to do there to assist. The elementary school for those and the school was originally designed for about 500 and so students and we've got upwards of a thousand just with the different portables and things that we've got in the area. So that elementary school definitely at capacity if not beyond and that's just causing additional stressors into a neighborhood you know with the the capacitor but chiefs I know been working it and we've been deploying additional resources there to working conjunction with the schools but let me yield to you just for additional details and kind of how it how it's going and if things are settling in yet. Our vote number police chief, first I'd like to say thank you to several agencies, Lake Alfred Fire Department, Polk County Fire Department, Polk County Sheriff's Office. That first week of school we got each one of those agencies, some out there every day, our local fire department's out on 1792 and both crossings made a big difference, getting those lights, just getting people slow down, getting back used to the school, being in session. So I thank them very much. Sometimes we couldn't be there and they filled in the gaps that just have personnel out in the scene. So I want to just talk a little bit about each one of three schools that are our major schools. And we'll just start with the high school. So the first two days of discovery high school, we had so many cars out there that cars could not pass by on even house because the grind was backed up. We put our resources together. We coned some lanes out there. Polk County Fire was out there several days, helping us with that, where we were able to get through traffic to that. This week I'm glad to report that we don't have that problem. The number of cars has decreased by quite a bit. People that ride buses are riding buses. And so we're not having that same problem even though we still do have backup out there. The school and the resource officer are trying to wrap cars around there through the parking lot so that we can get more parents in when it's time to let them in and we can keep that roadway clear. We have definitely, like I said, seen a decrease in decrease in time to get the students out and also we have the other thing that we started last year and the student parking was a right turn only out of the school so that they did not come back into the school area where we had kids crossing the Even House road which was a dangerous situation. So we worked on that and we've made great progress. Just to give you an idea of Discovery Academy which is our middle school which has somewhere probably around a thousand fifty high school probably around 950. So the first day when we started out there, it took us about from 810 to probably an hour to get everybody through there. We had so many cars. We had cars backed up all the way down to the even house to the bus entrance on 557. The parents did very well there. They got off the side of the road as much as they could and that traffic flow. However, what we did notice is people in Evan House that were turned or even house that were turning into the school, the opposite direction, they blocked people coming out of the school and then our people that were traveling on the even house in the through lane. It became pretty scary when cars were pulling out. They couldn't see anything because they were blinded by that. So we've increased the staff at the school to get kids in and out. We started a few minutes early to try to keep that back up from happening. And I can tell you that first day, about 45 minutes, it took to get people out of the road way today, 45 minutes. It took to get people out of the roadway to day 20 minutes. So we've decreased that time in half at that school. Now the fun school, the elementary school. As of I think last Wednesday I was told we have 1104 students at that school alone. We have a young lady here tonight that knows a lot about Lake Alphillum and she missed Kunky. It was a secret at that school for well over 30 years I believe. She can probably tell you never in her existence at that school that we have 114 kids. Okay. So you can see we doubled the capacity of that school. The only problem is we have a double the capacity of our roadways around the school. However, working with school staff, that school has two ways in in the morning besides the buses, the front entrance and the Glyncrutin entrance for certain students. In the afternoon, we have children coming out all four sides of that school. We have Tina Gard and First grade coming out the front on Cummings. We have second and third graders coming out the side on Glen Crouton. And we have fourth and fifth graders coming out the back on Samford. So the first day just at Clear Glen Crouton was 45 minutes plus to get the cars out of there where we could clear the intersection of Cummings and Glen Crouton. Since that time, of course, a lot of parents have decreased in bringing their kids to either walk them apart and in a little different place and the bus riders are having there and I can I can say today we had a problem on Glenn crew especially in between Hoffman and Cummings today within 10 minutes of school at now we had that cleared within one block of the school and within 22 minutes we had Glen Crute and Cleared on that second grade side, which tell you truth. Mainly impacts that whole intersection, because we have parents that back up down Glen Crute and parents that back up coming to pick kids up at the second and third grade entrance. So in all the schools we're seeing, you know, great decreases in time. We still have some parents that every day need a little help in understanding what the pattern is, a little help in just having a little human rights with each other to say if we, one goes, the other one goes versus three goes and one goes, mainly at the elementary school. And I know I saw a day on several comments on Facebook and even one right before I came where they talked about some cars going the wrong way, all the roads around that school with the exception of counter which is where the buses only allowed to go or two way streets. And to make them one way street would be a nightmare for us to have any traffic, especially our local traffic to flow. So just to give you that heads up, we are making progress. I appreciate the people that have been patient. Each day we're looking at a different place tomorrow. I will be at another place just of some things that came up today just to try to see what we can do with the ear ulcers or staff or what we're doing with parents. And that's been another thing that the parents sometimes are not prepared and they just don't let a kid get in the car if you can't show proof that that's your child until the school you know really knows who you are I can't blame them for that so I've entertained any questions if you have any? Thank you Chief and so we'll continue to work with we've got good partnerships with all of our schools. You know, the first week is always, you know, the challenge. And so we'll continue there. You know, long term solutions I've heard from the principal, you know, they may be looking at a capital improvement similar to what they did with the Gardner Elementary, I believe, on a Havendale of board improvements there. Just as we talk about it, the city level, all of the projects that we deal with, whether it's water utilities or wastewater projects, the schools got its entire unit of government with a school board and a superintendent and their own capital improvement program where they've got to look at acquiring new property, building new schools in order to accommodate the growth and the demand. But I just wanted to give that update to the commission since we'd kind of heard quite a few questions and concerns. And with that, no other announcements. Thank you, Ryan. Okay, and my task is to set the Clayter to give the city attorney announcements. Only that we remain grateful to represent the great city of Lake Alfa Mayor. Thank you. Thank you for being here. We appreciate you. Okay, at this point, we have a recognition of citizens. So if any items that are not on the agenda that we have set for tonight, if you've got anything to bring up to the attention of our commission. This is your time. So please come up if you're going to do that and I give your name and your done and everything greatly appreciated. Today was awesome. I wish you a good day because there will be better, which I did call Ryan at the message. That might have been used as a parking lot. I'm going to ask the city, you all have an easement of everybody's property. Can you utilize and make a quick summary of parking? That might be our being used as a parking lot. I'm going to ask the city, you all have an easement of everybody's property. Can you utilize and make a quick sum of parking signs in my easement? At least on the Renaro? We'd chief have brought that to my attention, so let's look at that with public works and see what we can do there, Sherry. But we're receptive to what kind of thought. Okay, I was greatly appreciative. You know, I had somebody park my art. They didn't know English, didn't understand me. And I kind of lost my temper with them. Then I got the hint. Then I went across the street and parked at my neighbor's driveway. And I said, I just shaking my head, no. So he backs up, pulls back in my art again. I'm like, I don't want you in my yard. So that was very frustrating. And that is really a bad area because they do park on both sides. You're taking a chance in your car or your life because there's only room for one car. That's it. Another car turns the corner. You're just like, okay, who's going to back up? Obviously, at first or second, I guess I'll back up? Obviously, at first, you're going to be respected, but guess what? I'll back up because I don't want to be ran over. But one day, there's going to be an accident. And so I'm going to be the city's going to be responsible or the school or both. At that ongoing burden. I had recommended that maybe doing things in the first utilize the empty side of the central park. Have everybody go south, go around on Haas, and you'll follow the parade route. Go into the parking lot there, the flip-off field, come out, turn right onto coming, go to the stop sign, and at that point the kids go into the school, the perspective gates, whatever. That would give you all more room. That would give the school more room. But that was just something that I had thought about to look at. Look at your parade routes and how the traffic goes with your parade route. Maybe y'all should do the same thing and maybe recommend that to the school board. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Are there any other folks that would like to come forward? Okay, seeing none, we will move on to our next item of business. We've got some friends of the library here and I would like to ask them if they would come up around the podium down here and I will meet you down there. September about 13th is the blue reception. Okay, I'm going to let them introduce themselves and then I will tell you why we're here. Thank you. Jane Grumbon, 655 East Pierce Street, Lake Alfred. And we are here because we have been blessed with gifts and we have also worked hard to raise a whole bunch of money and we want to let the city have it when it is supposed to be used for the use of the library. Absolutely, and we want to thank you so much and that was my speech that you did very good. Everybody else, would you please go to your district yourself? Would you thank you? We want to thank you all. I'm Beverly Walsh, 285 West Hargold. I recently joined the Fund of the Library and I'm off in Fund. So if anybody else is willing to come and join, it's a fun time. Okay. I'm Larry Parsons, 335 West Central Ocas, Trian and Lake Alford. I just want to let you know this is an example of generosity of several members who work to the citrus research and education center, just east of town. For those of you who are not familiar with the research center, it's a part of the University of Florida and these were people connected with the University or the Florida Department of Citrus. Both Dr. Moore and Dr. Ford recognize the importance and the value of libraries and they click their money with their mouth and so here's an example of private generosity benefiting the city and helping keeping your taxes down lower. So because they're both the very fine gentlemen who have been real benefit to the city and benefit to the library. Thank you, sir. That's it, not least. Ellen Margaret Wheaton, 330, South Carolina Avenue. And I'd like to mention that our bookstore manager is homesick or she would be your Margaritane term. We sure are best wishes to get in here. So anyway, what I want to do this evening is I want to award them with a little token of our appreciation from the city and I'm sure find a nice place over there at the library, but they have been gracious enough. Do you remember right off the top of your head the amount of that check that you blessed us with? 129,000 and I do not remember. That's close enough. And so, anyway, on behalf of the City of Lake Alfred, I would like to award this to you and the library, the Friends of the Library. Let me read what it says here. So it's Lake Alfred Friends of the Library, established 2002. And grateful appreciation of your many years of dedication and community service. So again, thank you all. And of course, you know, we love having some of our functions around the city that we kind of have the library to. Yes. As one of our spots that people can get in, maybe get a little air conditioning. And get the kids in there. I know the kids have had a great time and we have some of our folks with the Parks and Recreation that set up games so the kids will go in there and learn how to use the library. But everything is all so much thanks to you guys. Thank you and we want to help make it even bigger over there so that people can do more and the libraries can have more books and more things to share. So there's all the time they've got things going on for selling of old books. They go through them and they get rid of them. And they reduce the prices. And it's a great, I went through that the last time we had a function. And probably about seven or eight books myself, I love history. So found some good history, presidential history going back to the Kennedy years in Johnson. And so other words, you were very, very interesting. So again, let me get the box for this. I'll leave it. Thank you, Jefferson. Yeah, fine. I'll leave that to you. Oh, yes, we need to ask you to come right up here. Okay. And I guess I'm going to say, too. All right. The evening of the evening is going to be a bit of a day. That's absolutely. It's right in center, definitely. I'm not sure if it's going to be a little bit better. Absolutely. Let's try to send her a double. Perfectly, someone needs to sign. You want to sign over here? That's too boring. Hang on. Hang on, hang on. Okay, 80s are not here. Okay, 80s are not here. Thank you so much. I'll present this to you. I will present this to you. And you want to say something else. I do. Actually. And part of the way I was looking, I don't know if you can come by in the middle of the gift week. Like, Chisha, go there, my friend. I want to thank you from the friends of the library. We thank you all that you have done it and thank you for this. Oh, again, we thank you. We thank you. We thank you for having this work. Oh. We thank you. We thank you. We thank you for this work. We thank you for this work. We thank you for this work. We thank you for this work. We thank you for this work. We thank you for this work. and it was given as a request and Mary told you about Powered Force Dr. Harry Ford who left this request to us, the friends of the library, and it was used to help the library and it will be done. And we have a mission statement for our bi-law, for our order of thinking. And we also feel that it is a mission what we do and also a passion. We are the principal library that couldn't be more advanced to see this being done that we're able to get folks to help the library and see its kind of expansion. We're doing more fun, but we've been working on this day and on the whole of the time. So, you've lined up and thank you all, thank everyone on you for your support and relationships. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for all you did. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Why? Because you're the only one who's the mic. I'm sorry. Thank you all very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm down here for our next presentation. I'm going to ask Park and Recreation Director Emily Deal, who's working on very little sleep. She just got back from a large trip over to Europe and was too expensive over there by two seasons. You could only get one. But welcome home. Thank you. All right, well, we just wanted to recognize one of our newest projects at the Nikite Lakeside Preserve. Owen, do you want to come up here for a second? So Owen Smith, a member of our local troop of Boy Scouts of America, approached our department in hopes of completing his Ego Scout project. And for those who don't know an Ego Scout project, they have to plan to do the leadership for from start to finish for the whole project. Oh, there you go. And with this project, so they constructed a hammock park at the Kai Lake site preserve. He consulted the master gardeners and parks and rec to decide on the location or the best practices of this project. They install it very smoothly with lots of help from some of his fellow voice- family members. The posters set up with eyeballs so that you can easily connect to him to it. So, you users can enjoy the nature with the music read and just relax and enjoy the park. So, you have a few things to say too. Okay, great. Thank you. Good evening, everyone. My name is Owen Smith, like she said. I'm a live scout of 1.23, Winnerhaven, Florida. I wanted to thank the City of Lake Averdon and Mrs. Emily Dio for allowing me to build my Eagle project, the Hammock Park, out at the Cigardons. It was about a year ago when I was deciding what to do for my project and I reached out to the City of Lake Alfred. I received a friendly response from Mrs. Dio and was able to meet her to discuss it further. She mentioned the idea of a hammock park and that idea really sparked my interest. I received the approval from the before the idea for my scout master and we were ready to begin this adventure. I greatly appreciate Miss Dio for patients as I worked steadily through the design and paperwork process. In the end, I walked away from the project with more experience in managing the group of people. I fully understand how costly things can be even with small projects and lastly, I learned how people in the community are willing to come together to help if you just ask them to. So I say thank you all for giving me this opportunity to get back to my community. Thank you. So, Owen, while you're coming up, I wanted to ask your question, and I remember seeing your Facebook post. This is the only first one in the county or second, because I thought, and they said, first, I think that's very special for us. Oh, yeah, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I agree. You know that. Perfect. All right. One more. Perfect. No, she, Emily. Thank you. Not official. You're in a process. I want to just tell you my personal thanks to what the ceiling is then to get to this level with the skydend. I was the skydend. You never didn't make me equal rank. People might stop every day. Just can do it. Not too late. No. That's over 18. But anyway, it's such a great piano. I mean, work with large companies. Take a very, very good book on a resume for young men that have the published what you've done and what thank you again and congratulate you and there's anything we can do to help you with anything else and when they do present your full word I would appreciate it if I could turn and watch you receive it. Okay? Okay? Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good job. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. Look at me. Hi. Margaret, we could have kept you up here and killed two birds of one stone, but would you like to come up and if you would like to bring your group again up? Hi there. Hi there. You're the bird. I have a few things to bird. Hi. Hi. We have a proclamation tonight that we're going to present to Margaret and. Hi. Bring, bring go to you. Bring it go to you. So let me read that and now we'll present and then they will have some words to speak with you. Tonight's proclamation, whereas a variant cancer is the deadliest of all cancers of the reproductive system, and whereas there was currently no reliable early detection test for over-incancere, and the estimate rate of new estimated rate of new cases is 10.2 per 100,000 women per year. And whereas according to the National Cancer Institute, the five-year relative survival rate as of 2014 through 2020, of those diagnosed with ovarian cancer for all S-E-E-R stages combined was only 50.9 percent. And whereas the new ovarian cancer cases in 2024 are estimated to be 19,680 with the death toll estimate for 2024 being 12,740. And whereas, while a variant cancer is the 11th most common cancer among women, it is the fifth leading cause of cancer related death among women in the United States. And whereas, because a variant cancer often goes undetected until the advanced stages, increasing awareness of risk factors is critical to fighting this disease. And whereas the Lake, the city of Lake Alfred supports the work of the wings of teal and ovarian cancer support group in Pope County, Florida. It is candidates efforts to help increase ovarian cancer awareness. Now therefore, we have proclaimed the City of Lake Alfred formally designated September 2024 as ovarian cancer awareness month and call upon citizens, government agencies, organizations, healthcare providers and research institutions to raise ovar incantatory awareness and witness where I have here under set my hand in the city steel this 19th day of August 2024. I'm Margaret Wheat and 330 South Carolina Avenue here in Lake Alfred and I would like to present Brittany Gojay, who is representing Wings of Teal, the Polk County, or Bulgarian Cancer Support Group. Hello. Thank you. Good afternoon. As a survivor, I want to tell you a little story very quickly. While I was, my name is Rue Eagle TA and I was working on a master's degree, Human Services and Administration very happy with my life and I was talking to a professor in the library and I was saying, you know it seems that I'm hurting in some areas, no fever, nothing. Nothing seems out of normal. I'm happy, go lucky. Doing what I need to do. I'm a go person. I have set goals. I set goals and I make it happen. And my professor said to me at the library, you need to get checked up and just go. And I went. And so I went to my primary doctor. I know they're not going to find anything wrong with me. I know they're not going to find anything wrong with me. I know it. I just know it. So we're doing primary doctor and I said, hey, Doc, I'm having these problems and she looked at me. She says, I know what the problem is and I'm like, go ahead and she said, you're getting fat. And I'm like, I hate the F word. So I said, can you just tell me that I'm ugly. It would be easier. So anyway, she did not tell me that. And so it shocked me that she would talk like that. And so then she said, well, why don't you go to the gynecologist. So I said, thank you. And I smiled and I left it. I almost didn't go to the gynecologist. So when I went to the doctor, the gynecologist, they are not expert in this disease. But when I went to this gynecologist, he was so kind. And he looked at me and he said, you know, it seems that your abdomen is a little the way it's designed. Like now it doesn't look good. Why don't you just go get an MRI? So I went to get an MRI, but I knew there was nothing wrong with me. Why? Because I'm a happy, go lucky person. And I have goals and I'm going forward. So I went to get an MRI and the next day this wonderful doctor called me and he said, in this GOTA, you have stage three ovarian cancer and it's rapidly growing. You need to get to Dr. Cardel C. I was shocked. I absurd the Lord with all my heart the whole time. I had set goals. I had been a widow. My two kids are successful. How can this happen to me? And so therefore I went forward. I went to see Dr. Cardozi with my daughter. And he said, you need to be on the operation table yesterday because you are advancing. So my life changed completely. As he operated me the next day, the chemo, I don't know how many of you have taken chemo, but the chemo, what it does to your mental and emotional state plus your body, it's a dark, dark place. I started to get very depressed. I've never felt depression like this ever in my life to the point that I wanted to give up. I started to get very depressed. I've never felt depression like this ever in my life to the point that I wanted to give up. I wanted God just to pick me up. I asked God to come get me. My kids are grown, they could survive. It's a win-win situation for those that know the Lord. God come pick me up and all of a son there's a little somebody from from wings of teal came and sudden there's a little somebody from Wings of Teal Cain and says, there's a teal bag here. Do you want to come to our support group? And I said to my daughter, I'll go one time and that's it. I went to Wings of Teal 2015 and this is 2024 and I'm still there. And so therefore, what a joy, a mid-Marg Margaret, what a lovely person she is. I told her she cannot divorce me. I refused to divorce her. No matter what she says, the minute she gave herself home, she's in trouble because I called her. So anyway, I ended up finishing my master's with back, finished my master's with my job, because I didn't have the energy, I didn't have the capacity to remember. You lose your short-term memory, you're in pain, but I'm going to go. I have goals, I have to go. So anyway, graduated December 2016, straight-age student, December. I loved it, I was happy, my family was there. January 2017, I had cancer again. In the testis, I was to deliver and I was back on the table again. So I had cancer again. Obergian cancer comes back. Comes back. But today, ladies and gentlemen, as far as I know, I am free from cancer. Pretty fast. Ladies and gentlemen, as far as I know, I am free from cancer, free staff. I praise the Lord for that. But the sad part is, though, although I am here and I thank everyone for letting us come here, our founders, Carol, who founded this wonderful organization, Fighting Cancer, very cancer, passed November 2023. And now our VP is also fighting the cancer again. So there's only two of us working this Ovarian Cancer Support Group, which brings a lot of love to people. We need a lot of volunteers or all volunteers. So if your heart is to work with people with cancer, especially ladies, come see me. I have hearts that I can give out. Here's another thing that happened to me. I went back to where I used to get my chemo, which was a place where ladies nurses hug me and help me through my darkest moment. And now I am back hugging patients, giving them water, giving them blankets. You know, Jesus said, I've not come to be served, not to serve, but to serve. I've not come to be served, but to serve. So that is what I'm doing also. And I do have a lot of things that I do in the community. Thank you for listening to me and I bless you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Ready? Hold it. Hold it. Okay. Perfect. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I just had a little time. Thank you. Thank you. Can I get a score? Thank you very much. Are you going to go to heaven? Okay. Now we'd like to discuss our consent agenda agenda. We have item number one, City Commission meeting minutes for August 5th, 2024. Item number two, City Commission announcements, item number three, RFQ, 2402, CPH, Inc. Acceptance. Item number four, Fur, Wegman and Banks, Task Order number one, library expansion. And item number five, police department vehicle purchase. And Mr. Mayor, if I may, just on the library expansion, put that on consent agenda. Just didn't want to have the friends hanging out all the way to the end, but just wanted to point out that that is not coincidental, the why the recognition for the friends is also happening at the same time that we're doing it. So that funds have already been put to get used and allowing us to move forward on the design and the expansion, and most certainly I'll be reaching out to the friends and they will have a seat at the table with the architects and have input and then make sure that everyone's getting what they're trying to achieve out of that expansion opportunity. So again, from the staff side, really appreciate the donation and they can see immediately that we're putting it to good use in order to move that project forward and get it shovel ready. Thank you, sir. Okay. Thank you, sir. Okay, so are there any public comments on our consent agenda? Seeing none, I would like to ask for commission comments. Some comments? Mr. Mayor, I would like to make a motion that we approve consent agenda one through five. Second? Okay, we have a first and second all in favor say aye aye any opposed Okay motion is carried Okay our first agenda item is Public hearing ordinance 1541-24 ULDC text amendments Like the city attorney to read an ordinance 1541-24 into the record please. Thank you, Mayor. Or to December 1541-24. An ordinance of the City Commission of the City of Lake Alfred, Florida, updating and amending the City of Lake Alfred, Unified Land Development Code in the form attached here to as exhibit A and meaning Article 2, standards article three use provisions article four site development standards article eight public facility monitoring and article 10 definitions updating and amending applicable cross references. The table of uses maps and associated text providing for authority providing for repeal and savings clauses providing for transmission to the Florida Department of Commerce for review for compliance, providing for conflicts, providing for severability, providing for the administrative correction of scrivener's errors, providing for codification, providing for the continuation and validity of existing development orders and providing for an effective date. Okay. And now I'd like the city manager to read in his comments, please. I think this may 2021 the city adopted a new and resided unified land development code repealing the previous code originally adopted in 93. Then the years following implementation the city had received feedback and learned lessons from the application of the code. Additionally, state law continues to change facilitating our need to amend the code and to be consistent with applicable law. Notably, state law changed last year preventing cities from regulating architectural standards on single-family residential homes. The city primary residential zone for single-family homes is vintage residential which allows for 70-foot wide lots with a minimum of 10,000 square foot lot size. On the city allows for clustering, or also called the master plan community provision, that allows a reduction in these standards by 60% in consideration for other standards, which are architectural standards on the homes in addition to other provisions. As a result, in the state law, change master plan community provisions is currently enforceable. So we've already gone through this on first reading and have a very substantive and in-depth presentation at first read and at the planning board. You do have a unanimous recommendation of approval from the board and at passing anonymously on first reading, city commissions been copied to updates to the master plan community provision as well as the lighting standards. Just as a brief recap, the substantive elements, we limited aquifer recharge and the green swap to be transferred has to be contiguous. That was in direct kind of application there from direction from the Planning Board and the City Commission to have aquifer recharge on site or at least directly adjacent to. Shutting down the RN1 residential zoning district from future assignments, you know, really the vintage residential is the primary category for single family homes and with all the work that's been put in on the master plan communities. That zoning category is basically being replaced by the master planned community clustering provisioning. Downtown Overlay District, we cleaned up some provisions there just to make the code better for existing businesses, also provided technical assistance to help small scale businesses not navigate the downtown code. So those are additional incentives to our downtown business owners just to kind of facilitate them when they're looking to expand or renovate their properties. Corrected the scrivener's error on the use table for restaurants. We added dark sky lighting standards. This was already previously applied to the Greens Plump area, but this will now apply dark sky lighting standards for basically all new development in the city. And as the commission may recall, that's to kind of offset some of the negative impacts of light pollution. Just light going into the night sky. This kind of hoods most of the fixtures and kind of reduces their intensity to cut down on light pollution. That's created by them. Recreation, fee and lieu, we removed that section, or at least removed that ability to do it. The fee and lieu concept works great, maybe like for parking or something. If you were going to build in the downtown area, like in downtown St. Peter something like that, they might have a fee and lieu on a parking requirement so that you buy into like a parking garage or something like that. Fe and Lou for recreation really just doesn't make sense. If you've got to have recreation on your site, we want it on that site to service that community, you know, having a fee and Lou and then providing a park elsewhere kind of defeats the purpose there. So just wanted to remove that option. Accessory uses and structures. So this is a lessons learned. We had a ton of areas that would come through to the planning board for folks wanting to build pools or screens, put in a second shed or the like. And so we really just kind of cleaned that up and made it much more user friendly and accessible to the residents that are looking to put in their accessory structures effectively on their own yard and their own property. Also to increase the maximum size for accessory dwelling units from 1,000 to 1,200 square feet, and we also added a 10% ISR allowance for accessory structures in residential zoning categories. And that way people still have the option to put on like a shed or a pool. We didn't want, you know, a development that used up all of the ISR on the primary lot. And then the homeowner comes in and goes, oh, let me put in a shed or a patio and go, I'm sorry, you've got no capacity left to do anything in your backyard. So this kind of gives them some wiggle room to, you know, get that flexibility back. So those are all kind of lessons learned there. On the accessory structures, the commission that attended, the commissioners that attended the accessory, or I'm sorry, the Affordable Housing Program at the League of Cities Conference. Many of their suggestions that they talked about, accessory dwelling units, reduced lot sizes, you know, density, things like that. A lot of those have already been captured in our code because we're, you know, we're kind of further along the curve, I think, than many other cities, at least in that regard. Going into the master plan community, this was kind of the focus of it. So with the loss of the architectural standards, putting back in meaningful reparations space. So yes, in the traditional neighborhood, you might have had a 10,000 square foot lot. The argument being, well, your playground was in your backyard. You had, you could walk the dog, throw the football, have a pool, and the like. We know now with current trends in development, everything's going to smaller and smaller. Lots, not only because of affordability, but also, you know, folks don't want to mow the yard like they used to. And so if you're going to do that, the narrative is, okay, that's fine, but then you've got to provide those common areas, that common recreation, not every single unit has to have the massive backyard, but basically for every ten acres that you save in lot space, you've got to give about 20% of the back into meaningful parks, neighborhood parks, pocket parks, community parks and the like. And then also then the definition section, that supports kind of all the other changes. As I mentioned on June 13th, the planning and zoning board held a public hearing on the proposed unified land development code amendments and voted unanimously to recommend approval to the Lake Alfred City Commission. The proposed language and standards have been reformatted and refined and are ready for transmittals of the Florida Florida Department of Commerce upon approval. Staff recommendation on this item is to approve ordinance 1541-24 on second and final reading and staff would be happy to answer any questions. Okay, thank you, sir. This is a public hearing and you are invited up if you have any comments on this particular item. Is there anybody like to come up and address anything? Okay, seeing none, I will enter ask the commission comments if there are any. Yes sir, Bill or coming I had is just that it's nice to go away to these conferences and you know that are basically statewide and then to come back and we're already working on it. So I just appreciate the staff's knowledge because everybody in the state of Florida and really around the country is facing the affordable housing issues. So it's nice that it's not going to be easy. We're going to have to tackle a lot of different ways, but it's nice that we're already being proactive and starting the process. So I just want to say thank you. And yes, I come in on that as well. And just, you know, we've been working on this a lot since 1993 till 2021. And just tweaking it is always a good thing for the betterments of our citizens. Nancy, have anything? No, just to appreciate the staff and the managers work because all the little details, all the little nuances are easy to slip through and we find out after we've come to a final agreement on it, then the next development comes in and they have another thing that you can't think of everything that's going to happen in the future. So as long as we can keep them ending and texting and making it better, that's great. So I appreciate all your hard work. Thank you. If you have somebody that's stepped up, Would you please say your name and your address please? Francis Jacobs, on the VIT401 WTTO Tower Road. I had some questions about that lighting that he was talking about how they're going to put it. Is that including existing developments up there still under construction are already completed? So this is going to be, we already have those code standards in effect for developments that were in the green swamp, which would be in that area. I believe the Gumballake one, it was in effect for that. The, this is going to be more to capture everywhere else in the city as well. Existing developments and we, we spoke about that at length at the planning board. We will have to eventually come up with a retrofit program to capture the existing lights that don't benefit from those standards. The city of Grove ones kind of like the leader and the state of Florida on these standards that we borrowed from their code. They've got like a conversion program and that'll be our next step going into the future is to try to convert the existing developments that didn't benefit from these things. I'd like to personally invite all of you to come out to my house and look in my backyard and I have lighting in my yard and I put in myself and look across the lake at that development and tell me that it's not an airport runway because it is covered with lights over there. And you can see it across the 200 acre lake. So I don't think what they're doing is working too well. There's a lot of light pollution there. A lot. And I know lighting is good, but when it adversely affects everybody else, apparently you guys know too because you're trying to do something about it. But I would cordially invite you to come out and look at night at that particular development, especially across the lake and see how bright it is. It's changed the whole area. It really has. That whole development has changed the area around the back leg. It's really incredible. You know, you've got 30 feet of fill. These houses at their foundations are higher than our roof lines. You know, so when you put lights up that high, you can't really put a cap over it to try to stop it from spreading out. You know, personally, I have 30 flip lights in my backyard. They've been there for decades. You know, I've lived there since 2002 and I like them. Some of my neighbors didn't like them, so I turned down a light a little bit, you know, to try to keep it from lighting it up. But I personally pay T-Go to light the end of our street because it's so dark you know so I see the need for it but when I'm on the other side of that leg looking back at my property I can't really see those lights I like like adversely back and forth so please I appreciate what you're doing but maybe some real world Looking at it might give you guys some more ideas, you know, and we would greatly appreciate that if you please leave a name and address and phone contact and Again, absolutely if not all of us I would come out and take you up on your offer Anybody else is welcome to join me. But if you would leave that information with the City Clerk, and then we can make contact with you and arrange to do that. There just one note, I mean, you never done changing these things. I noticed a small on the neighborhood park in Section 3. It says, beginning at 25 residential lots, it should say beginning at 50. But just when they, if you make a note of that in the minutes, and then we'll correct that. I least finishing that up, but there are any other comments that you would like to bring up since we, I'm not sure if you can see it. I'm not sure if you can see it. I'm not sure if you can see it. I'm not sure if you can see it. I'm not sure if you can see it. I'm not sure if you can see it. I'm not sure if you can see it. I'm not sure if you can see it. I'm not sure if you can see it. I'm not sure if you can see it. emotion just a second. I have a comment. Oh, okay. Yes, sir. No, not as on code amendments. This is something different. I'm sorry. Yes, well, the bird. That's more associated to the Burton ranch zoning. I have a question for the same manager. I noticed that the planning board had some comments about the overflow parking and the parking. And I see that there is some language in here about that. But how is that being addressed when you don't have, you know, overflow parking does not mean that you can park, stay over by the clubhouse and have to walk three laps to the playground and have a set work? We added language in there as placeholder for not only housing diversity also for the overflow parking and the neighborhood commercial aspects. So those are in there, but those are gonna need to be fleshed out. Those could be the subject of their own studies alone. So the language in there is permissive at this point, which options are not going to necessarily do it. That presents real challenges. And I almost went up to the podium at the conference on the Affordable Housing Act, because members, they were showing like, like, you know, 600 square foot houses and like on 30 foot lots and it was super tiny. I'm like, okay, that's great for affordability and for maintenance purposes. But as we see on the city side operationally, the houses may shrink and the yards may shrink, but the number of vehicles each family has is not shrinking. You've got two, three, four, and a quarter. I don't know if it's just a Florida thing, but no one likes to use their garage to actually put their cars in there. You know, so you've got like two, three, four cars, and if you've got a lot, that's like you know, 40 feet wide, and everybody does it where are those cars going? And that's kind of what's facilitating. And then I asked the expert the lady that presented to you didn't have a good answer from. So that's a really good question. That's a really good problem. And so I think the only way to really solve that is to have those types of areas for additional parking, you know, longer street areas and the like on-street parking. Some of the park language that the commission's adding in will create some on street parking and opportunities for that. So that may actually relieve some of this rain. But there are no solutions. There are only trade-offs. And I think that is one of the trade-offs or the downsides of having the smaller lot. So we put some place over language in there, but as the code is a living, breathing document, we'll have to continue to study that and refine those ideas. Well, the online street parking doesn't always work when you have people trying to park on both sides of the street and they have a house on one side using the parking across from them, which does it, like what do you delineate that and say, okay, who parks where? And then when they do that, how's the emergency fee going to get in between them to get to the fire at the end of the block? And they were trade-off there too. If you have narrower streets, narrower streets are safer because people aren't driving as fast. You've got less and furthervious surface, less environmental impacts. If you have wider roads or water streets, yeah, you might have more room for parking. But then, as we know, water streets are less safe because people tend to drive faster on them. And then you've got greater impervious surface as a part of the development. So again, that's one of those things where it's a sliding scale and you just got to kind of choose what set of complications and problems you want to deal with. Okay. So we'd like to entertain a motion. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I'm with approval of ordinance 1543-24 comp plan amendments. This is it. This would be 1541. Sorry. Number wrong. I'll take that back. And I'll move approval of ordinance 1541, Vash 24, ULDC text amendment. Second. Okay. I was motion in second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, that motion is carried. Okay, next item is number two, ordinance 1543-24, comp planned amendments. And I would like to have Seth read the information into the ordinance for 1543-24 into the record please. Thank you, Mayor. Ornus number 1543-24, an ordinance of the city commission of the city of Lake Alfred Florida making findings of many of the 2030 comprehensive plan of the City of Lake Alfred Florida, updating capital improvement element, the conservation element, and infrastructure element of the 2030 comprehensive plan of the City of Lake Alfred and providing for data and analysis based on the City of Lake Alfred 10-year water supply facilities work plan, 20-year Potable Water Master Plan, and 20-year Waste Water Utility Master Plan. And confirms the city's adoption of such plans, providing for transmission of this ordinance to the Florida Department of Commerce, for review and compliance, providing for the administrative correction of screwedness errors and codification, providing for conflicts, providing for severability, and providing for effective date. Thank you, sir. Now, city manager, I would like to ask to present the analysis for 1543-24 please. FEMA's similar. At the beginning of 2023, a rule change with the state of Florida required localities to submit the final adopted ordinance to the state within 10 business days following the final adopted ordinance to the state within 10 business days following the final adoption. This is an addition to the state's required seminal after the first reading for state comment, preceding final adoption. The city missed the seminal after final adoption and the state has effectively invalidated it. So the city has to go through the adoption process again. This item was previously presented to the city commission and adopted or was adopted by ordinance 1513-23 on June 20, 2023. The capital improvement element is different than previously presented due to the current version being recently adopted by Wardens 1536-24 on May 6, 2024. In addition to the previously presented changes, additional changes are being proposed in the capital improvements element. It removes policy 4.2 related to debt service percentages which is an arbitrary number that shouldn't be in the comp plan. We also amended policy 4.3 to adopt the city's CIP and facility plan by reference. The city maintains a 10-year water facility or water supply facilities work plan which is updated and adopted every five years. Additionally, Fortissaquies now require local government to update its water supply plan to incorporate alternative water supply projects in the regional water supply plan or other projects as proposed by the local government. So this is inconsistent with memorializing the actions that we've already taken with the Polk County regional water cooperative. The plan must identify the alternative water supply projects, traditional water supply projects, and conservation and reuse strategies necessary to meet the water needs to serve existing in new developments. On October 4, 2021, the City Commission approved task order number five with CPH to prepare the Wastwick Maths for water and wastewater plans for the City of Lake Alfred. The master plans were intended to be used as a basis for planning for current and future infrastructure improvements, including providing a five year capital improvement program on January 4th, 2004, 2023, the city commission adopted Resolution 04-23, approving the Pottable Water Utility Master Plan and Resolution 05-23, approving the wastewater utility master plan. Professor Ordnance updates the capital improvement element, the infrastructure and conservation elements of the comp plan based on the requirements of Florida statutes and the recommendations from the Pottable Water Utility Master Plan 10-year facility work plan and the wastewater utility master plan. On Thursday, August 8th, this this year, the planning in zoning board, I'll be public hearing on the proposed COMP plan amendment and unanimously go to recommend approval to the Lake Alfred City Commission. On approval, the COMP plan text amendment will be transmitted to the Florida Department of Commerce for their review. Staff recommendation on this item is to approve ordinance 1543-24 on first reading and staff will be happy to answer any questions. Thank you, sir. OK, this is a public meeting. We have an opportunity now to approach the podium and to take your name and address if you've got any comments or questions on this. OK, seeing none, we'll close that option for public hearings and now offer an opportunity for city commission comments. Just a yes, a comment is that kind of for our citizens, we have been working on this for many years to keep us up to date on all these things that we have prepared for. And in the meetings that we, city managers told me that we had went to, there's a lot of cities that their infrastructure is not even started to help the city that they are living in support. And they are concerned about money, how things are done, and we're above the curve on that. And I just want to let that know. I appreciate it. Thank you. Any other comments? Okay. Seeing none, I'd like to entertain the motion. Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion that we approve public hearing ordinance 1543-24 comp plan amendment on first reading. Second. OK, with a motion in second, all in favor say aye, please. Aye. Any opposed? OK, the motion is carried. OK, the next two items, item 3 and 4 will be read at this. We're going to be addressing each of them separately, but we'll read the ordinance into the records. Ordinance 1544-24, Burton Ranch Future Land Use and Ordinance 1545-24, Burton Ranch Zoning. I'd like the city of turning to read ordinance 1544. 24 into the record please. Just for clarification for the record, I'll read in ordinance 1544-24. The city manager will give his staff analysis on both ordinances and then after the commission votes on 1544-24, I will read the title 1545. Okay. Thank you. Ordinance number 1544-24. In ordinance of the City Commission of the City of Lake Alfred, Florida, I'm meaning the future land use map of the 2030 comprehensive plan of the City of Lake Alfred, Florida by assigning the residential RAS future land use designation on approximately 43.88 plus or minus acres of land and conservation CON future land use designation on approximately 196.94 plus or minus acres of land and conservation CON future land use designation on approximately 196.94 plus or minus acres of land for property totaling approximately 240.82 plus or minus acres annex into the city of Lake Alfred General Location East of Highway 557 WGTO Tower Road and Gum Lake West of Lake Lowry Road within the Green Swamp area of critical state concern, and further described as parcel 262716-000000-014000. Transmitting set amendment to the Florida Department of Commerce, repealing all ordinances and conflict here with, providing for severability, providing for the administrative corrections of school and school and the areas and codification and providing for an effective date. Okay, sure. Thank you. And now for city manager comments to present the analysis. But I'm having a good. Thank you, Miss Red. The beginning of 2023 of rule change with the state of Florida required localities to submit the final adopted ordinance to the state within 10 business days following final adoption. This is an addition to the states required submittal after first reading for state comment proceeding final adoption. City misses submittal after the 10 days and then the state has effectively invalidated the prior adoption. So the city has to go through the process. Again, these items were previously presented to the City Commission and adopted by ordinance 150823 and 1509-23 on April 17th. So this action item looks familiar and you're having a deja vu moment is because you've already been presented with it and we're basically going through our Groundhog Day episode here and representing. On November 7th, 2022, City Commission approved ordinance 1500-22, annexing one parcel into the city limits. Staff has worked with the property owners regarding the future land use designations and zoning district requests. Proposed future land use designation is residential and conservation, and the proposed zoning is vintage residential neighborhood and conservation zoning district, and this matches the surrounding area in the green swamp area of critical state concern. On Thursday, August 8, 2024, the planning and zoning board held a public hearing on the proposed land use and zoning, and unanimously voted to recommend denial to the Lake Alfred City Commission for both action items. The denial of the future land use was contingent upon the concerns associated with transportation infrastructure, which would have been the connection to WGTA Tower Road and also the concern regarding the permanency of the conservation zoning. And then the zoning was denied because you've got to have future land use in order to assign zoning. If you can see there in the table, so the total on the property, it's 240 acres and total, 196 acres are being proposed to go into conservation and 43 acres are proposed to go into the vintage residential. Density is capped in the green swamp area at four units per acre, meaning that the maximum residential zoning district that you could get is the vintage residential, so the density concerns, or we're already kind of protected there, whereas in another part of the city, you know, it could be six, 12, you know, 24 units per acre. I'll reek at the account of some of the comments I made at the planning board meeting, and most certainly the city commissions familiar with it. If you look at the overhead of Lake Alfred, especially as you go into the green swamp areas, 80 plus percent of the land is in conservation in wetland and will always be so. If we were sitting here at four corners or point Siano or in Bartow and you were looking at a 240 acre development there might be 230, 240 acres that would be going in residential. You can see kind of the stark contrast here. The vast majority of it, you know, over, you know, 80 percent or so is going into the conservation kind of consistent with that narrative. So this kind of encapsulates that. I do want to take a moment to address the concerns that the board had brought up. So for those that are familiar with the area, this is kind of the Burton Ranch site. To the west here, you've got WGTO Tower Road, which kind of comes here, all county residents, predominantly, and then you've got this is zone, vintage residential, and so this is kind of the eastern side of Gumm Lake, that is part of that Gumm Lake subdivision. The project then kind of wraps down, and then the entrance is actually south of the lake. If you've kind of driven there, you'll kind of see it. So the concern that was brought up by the residents and by the board is that the concern was, is that if these pockets developed, you know, and then they were to drive through, would not only their traffic go on a WGTO tower road, but also the Gumballake. Now, of the two concerns, I think the GUM Lake, in fact, would be far superior to anything that would happen on a pertin ranch because GUM Lake is a much larger development. I had sent out to the board and also one of the residents that had requested. I had remembered just from going through the approval process that I believe it was set up as an emergency gate. And so I have since confirmed that. So this is a SNP that was taken from the construction plans on the GUM Lake subdivision. And so you can see here this is the road that actually connects to or will connect to WGTO Tower Road and it's listed right there as an emergency gate. And so what that means is it's barricaded and really it's only there for public safety access. And so the reason for that, just for the benefit of those and attendance, is that if you've got, you know, 500 homes or whatever it is over here, you've got a thousand plus people. And there's only one way in and one way out. If you were to have a major accident at the intersection or something like that, it would effectively block access. For those of you who are kind of remember the Lake Alpord history, that's kind of what happened with the Fruitland Park neighborhood. When the distillery or Mizzcon there had the massive fire, you know, they were trapped and had to drive across the golf court course at Cypress Greens in order to have access. So that's kind of the reason for that and our code is to have that connection point but most certainly understood the concerns of the residents even from before and that's why we didn't have it be a full access. So then I'll just answer the question before it gets asked. The only way for that to not be an emergency gate anymore, if that gate were to come down, then this would be a neighborhood collector road. It has a certain standard. WGTO Tower Road doesn't meet that standard to accommodate that traffic. And that's actually a county road. So for this to turn into full access, Polk County would have to come in and improve WGT Tower Road to that standard. The county's not going to do that without being asked. We're not going to ask it. I don't think anyone in this room would be in support of that. And so it'll probably sit there as an emergency access for, you know, the foreseeable, foreseeable future. You know, we're talking decades. Now, there was another question that was asked, what happens if the gate breaks or it breaks open or someone tries to pry it open, we even open, those site plans that we have adopted are binding. So if it says emergency gate, it's got to be an emergency gate. And if the HOA are broke it in the upright position or the open position, we could go back If it says, you know, emergency gate, it's got to be an emergency gate and at the HLA or broke it in the upright position or the open position, we could go back through there on the code enforcement process and actually regulate them and make them restore it. So I'm not worried about that. It's kind of a long term thing. And then if you count on the county just not making the road improvements, that's also a safe bet too because the county doesn't typically volunteer for those types of things. So that kind of addressed, at least from my from the staff perspective, kind of the board's concerns there. The other things that the board had mentioned was the permanency of the conservation zoning as a concern. So if you look at what's proposed, you can see kind of that yellow pocket and this yellow pocket here being residential and then everything else kind of being in that conservation zoning. If you actually look at the overhead though, there it is. If you actually look at the overhead though here, you can see it's's actually this looks like it's all upwind but you can see these this wasn't connected and this wasn't kind of carved out either so you can kind of see the gaps we probably staff asked for more conservation than probably they could have done and so the board's concern was well what happens if they come back through the process? And my response is, let them come back through the process. Zoning at conservation now, leaving it open and up when doesn't actually give you a protection because if they go ahead and zone it now, we put more in the conservation. So now, we're actually protecting it by putting it in there. Now they would actually have to come back through this same public hearing process and go through planning board, first read, second read in order to change that back. And they would have to commission environmental studies to basically justify it. And the commission could always turn it down even if they went through the process. So I kind of have the opposite opinion of it. I think actually putting the conservation zoning on it now and being more aggressive with it actually probably sets ourselves up better for success to again kind of zone it that way. And that's kind of all that staff has on it. Be happy to answer any question. This action item is for the land use itself. What I always tell the board is when you're weighing land use, you're really looking at that umbrella of options. You're looking at residential, commercial, or industrial. And so what makes the most sense in that area? Again, Upland people have development rights, they've got property rights, so there's some ability to do something there. The question is what makes the most sense. So of those options, again, this area is probably more internal to, again, 557 is probably out here. You've got Blake Lowry development over here in Lake Lowry Road. If you were going to do commercial or industrial, that makes sense to be more probably located closer to major roads. And you've already got residential in this area, and you've got residential here. And so again, of those three options, what makes them those sense? And that's why staff is recommending approval on residential, have they requested industrial or commercial, that would have been a big stretch and staff probably would have recommended denial. And so you've gotten a request here that's consistent with the surrounding area and that's why staff has a recommendation of approval for the future land use component. And with that, the recommendation is for approval and first reading and staff will be happy to answer any questions. Before we go to public hearing, can I just get some clarification about tonight's ordinance? Can you go back to the green and yellow of that one. So what's the applicant is requesting is for that whole inside the red to be vintage residential. Is that what I'm reading? Yeah, they have requested all of it, not really understanding kind of the new ones is there because their previous zoning in the county, they had 240 acres of Polk County agriculture on residential and the whole thing was in that zoning category. So you can request whatever you want, but staff has kind of looked at it and gone, well that's not how we would do it. We're not going to throw the whole thing and vintage residential and give them the false perception that they can develop the wetland area. So the staff recommendation is to go with these pockets of uplands. And so only thing we're voting on to do off future land use would be those three or four little yellow circles that are inside the red. Correct, thank you. Yeah, you're putting these yellow pockets. So that yellow, this one. That's out of 43 acres. This one in this little corner down here comes up to 43 acres of residential. Everything else here, you're actually doing an action on that. You're putting all of the green and conservation, and that's 196 acres. And that top one where the red stops it. What's on the other side of that? Is that more conservation or is that more upland? There's like a pocket of upland here. It's kind of a pocket like the other. Potential connection over here at some point. Okay, so the staff is just talking about those circles. And I remember the first time this came up, we talked about not being able to change it to where we were saying, you know, okay, on the ones that are congruent with the, contiguous with the ones that can have infrastructure, but we can't just carve out those ones in the middle that have, that are surrounded by conservation, that would require some great, you know, dredging and filling and to put in all of the infrastructure and everything would have to go through and establish conservation areas. That's correct. Yeah, realistically you're looking at because these are existing groves. You can kind of see, you know, where I can't zoom in and do the thing. That's not the picture we're looking at. Go back to the yellow picture. The yellow. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Those are the pieces we're looking at. Go back to the yellow picture. The yellow. Yeah. Yeah, so those are the pieces we're talking about. Yeah, you're putting those in conservation. So they would not be able to develop. They would not be able to do anything substantively. So you're saying they could put a road where the blue is now? You can always say that even with conservation, you still have rights for critical infrastructure so they can still do roads and things like that. But if they had property that was surrounded by water they wouldn't be able to do that anyway. Like just being surrounded by conservation, an applicant would not be able to... I think you can always say that it prevents development and sense of construction of buildings, but they generally have a right for sewer lines and water and all that. Yes, they could still in theory do that now because it's conservation though, it creates barriers, they generally have to do offsets. So if it was just pure up one, it's a lot easier to put in roads and utilities and things like that. If they try to go through a conservation area, that's where they typically have to offset it or mitigate the impacts. But they do have the option to do access and roads and infrastructure. They don't really need it. That's the policy go. Nice mayor. Okay. I had a question and I hope it'll answer. Is WGTO road going to stay as it is today per se? I want to make sure I get something on the record. We are looking at future land use zoning. I think they're great questions. And by all means the city manager is prepared to answer them which you will not generally find that to be the case when you go for future land use and zoning applications to other jurisdictions. But just keep in mind that this is the envelope you're setting. Site specific development questions come later down the road after you have your development review committee, you know, review site plan, applications, you have flats that come in, you know, there will be subject to additional review and approvals. This is to set the envelope. So these site specific questions about connecting roads and WGTO tower road, those should not factor into your decision on whether or not to approve the future land use and zoning. And you have two different types of decisions. They're obviously your future land use is a legislative decision by the commission and then your zoning would be quasi-judicial. But I just wanted to make sure that you guys remember the framework when you're actually formulating your decision on these applications. Yeah, thank you. The temptation is to get into the weeds and into the details and into the, oh, what's happening on this road or the area adjacent to it. But it's tough. It's tough to kind of maintain that neutrality to go. And that's why I always kind of convey that to the board and or the commission. It's like, of these three options, is it commercial? Is it industrial? or what of those options really makes the most sense? And then so again, if I've got concerns with roads or other things, you know, adjacent to it, would those concerns be less manifested if it was industrial, or would that be more? Would it be more less if it was commercial? So I think we tend to kind of skip ahead and look at these things, but really you're looking at the overall compatibility of the land use itself. And so with that, I'll kind of kick it back to commission any other questions that you all may have with staff. When the planning board voted to deny, it was because they didn't want the future land use, those yellow pieces to be residential. It was specific. I actually made them qualify it for me or quantify it. So there's specific basis for denial. Was the concerns with infrastructure connectivity, you know, which was again the WGTO tower connection, which I didn't have that answer 100% in hand. I've got it tonight on the emergency gate. And then the other primary concern was the lack of permanency of the conservation zoning. So they were okay with the pockets. They were concerned about these areas eventually coming back out of conservation. And again, anyone can request whatever they want. So you putting zoning on it today, I don't think makes it easier for them to change it in the future. If anything, because you've established something, it probably makes it more difficult for them to change it. Because now it's not a blank slate anymore. You've actively put it in conservation, they would have to actively come through and take it back out. So we're actually more aggressive with our conservation proposal than what could have been. This, again, this entire area here could have been invented residential and instead we carve these areas out and put those in conservation. So we were being more aggressive than what could otherwise be. Tonight we have to only go by the picture you're showing on the green side. Like we can't change that. That's what we're it's either a yes or no. We're going to either say they can residential on those little green pockets or we have to say they can't. The yellow box. The yellow sign. The yellow sign. My eyes. But that's the concept for us to vote on tonight. Yes. OK. Now, we need to go back out now as a public hearing and we have an opportunity now to any questions, comments. Please come up and state your name and your address again. Francis Jacobs, for sure, the WWGGTO power move at Calford, Florida. I like what the matter, you're how he explained all that, very informative. I like what Miss Bailey said about deciding and how he said, you know, you just got to concern that, but I agree with her. Once you do something, it's hard to go back and change it. And you need to look and go into the weeds because that's part of getting the whole picture. Whether they're going to connect these, eventually they're going to want to do it. And I know people that own property, they're going to sell it, and the developers are going to come in. And their primary concern is to make money. Okay? That's why they build houses. I was in the construction industry for 40 years. I know what they do. And if you say that this is, I'm glad he's going above and beyond trying not to make him connect. But that little yellow piece down in the corner, they're going to eventually want to connect to that. And when you guys say, yeah, we put it to residential. This in my regard should be agricultural. Only. That's too much wetland. We're in the green swamp. And I've already seen what they did in the other development. They closed off our 40 foot, 40 yard canal that drains our lake. They put a road across it and put a straw through it for drainage and it's already affected our properties. You're going to follow the same thing here with all this wetland because it changes the way the water sheds and how can you do a study on that in the dry season or when a hurricane comes you can't get all that knowledge because it's not there for you. So my point is when you say that that can be residential you automatically give them a foot in the door and then they're going to push and push until they widen it and then later many years down the road or tomorrow or next week when maybe you guys aren't sitting here, they're going to look back and go, well they said it was okay. So I agree with her. You need to go into the weeds. You need to look at all of that. Where I'm concerned, I guess we'll be on the next one as well because the last thing for infrastructure I've seen this happen many many places like Windomir, Florida. There's still a small town. They have lots of houses around them. Their roads are just as wide as they were 40 years ago. And their traffic problems are sustainable to what we're seeing with the elementary schools and the stuff in the city here. And they work on them. But they're not really all that bad. I have several friends that still live there. And they did a great job on how they did the building and the development around and in their city. So I applaud you guys for looking and going to meetings and other places and looking and seeing that. And I really want you to do more of that. Look at the history of places that have already done this. You know what what for example windomair that's still a little tiny town you know i was there just a couple weeks ago they still have the original rows they had 40 years ago you know and people are happy in that town and they got development all around them you know i see all, the development going on in this city, and I wonder why it's conducive to jamming as many homes in there with the parking issues. Hey, if you can't solve that and it's a trade-off, make them put bigger driveways in so they can put four cars in their driveway, not half the park on the street. That goes into your planning. That's another thing getting into the weeds. You know, the developers all want to cram as much as they can in there to make as much money as they can. And I don't behoove them to do that. But you guys are the ones that have to make it good for all the people, you know, and especially the ones that have been here, living in your city, you know, and I'm glad that you guys are way out in front with the water and the sewer and the water treatment plants and stuff you guys got to do to accommodate all these houses. I don't know what it was really, and all of the amount going on 557A over there, I haven't seen a single septic tank. So I know it's all going to be on sewer. I never really saw the pipes laid from the city. I don't know where any of that sewage is going to. Never saw, put down the roads, or I don't know how you guys are doing it. So I'm saying get into the weeds. Thank you. Thank you. I certainly appreciate the comments and I think that the commission does a wonderful job of asking probative questions. I just want to make sure that we understand that as a property owner, whether it's a developer or an owner, they have rights constitutional rights in the state of Florida. I'm not saying one way or the other how you should weigh the relevant factors, but you I would advise that you not make a decision based on propensity based arguments because that would not be something that would be defensible. And it's my job to look at things through a legal lens. It's your job to look at things through a legislative lens. And if you're looking at your comp plan compatibility, if you're looking at the development patterns and whether or not this type of land use with the consistent with other land use patterns. If you're looking at your concurrency related issues and those are all items or considerations that you can make legislatively when determining whether something is compatible with the city's comp plan and the direction in which we're headed or it's not. But unfortunately for us, as when we're sitting up here in this capacity, it's not how do we prevent development. It's how do we apply our comp plan and our restrictions and our regulations uniformly throughout the city of Lake Alfred. And that's why we adopt these ULDC in them and that's what we go in and we amend our comp plan so we can make the playing grounds fair for everyone. That being said, I do appreciate the comments and I think that what you've said, I don't disagree with the things that you've said, but I also have to remind you that in the event that we do deny an application or petition for the wrong reasons, we do set ourselves up for some type of regulatory takings or there would be liability affiliated with that if it's for the wrong reasons. If we have other parts of our comp plan that talk about protection of the environment and the fact that uplands are also necessary for recharge and that we have to have a sponge in the grain swamp just like we have to have the wetlands. So with that, negate your premise that if we say no for reasons that we don't think they need more residential development when we think that that big conservation area is going to also need some upland dryland to make it percolate and work properly. If I understand you correctly, it's not that you want to limit residential development, but it's that you want to provide for sufficient upland aquifer recharge area and you feel that it would be insufficient based on what has been presented. If it's along those lines, the need for more aquifer recharge, that is something that, yes, I think that would be a reason so that other than what we were talking about before, you know, to say, well, we don't want them to draw build roads and infrastructure through the wetland to get to the upland when the upland really environmentally probably shouldn't be developed in the first place. Yeah, that becomes a non-issue because essentially the code provides that you can't construct certain items within conservationally-zoned or the conservation land-used in whatever the zoning that is applied. There are exceptions for purposes of construction. So whether it be a storm water pond or a road or it be something related to infrastructure, you know, those are all things that are permitted pursuing through the terms of our Unified Land Development Code. So we need to be mindful that we can't prevent something that's permitted by right and also understand that this property was annexed. Until the municipality assigns a future landing designation and zoning designation. This property owner is not able to do anything with this property. So we also need to be mindful of that fact as well. The fact that the City Commission approved this and I believe going back to those previous hearings that where the residential-owned areas are as identified there there the land use areas were extremely reduced in size and isolated as a result of long debate not only at the planning and zoning board level but also at the city commission level. And so are we denying the property owner an investment back expectation when this was previously approved and now we are coming back and saying something else? I just want to be mindful of all these facts when we're talking about this particular case because I believe it's all relevant without getting into the site specific information. So on this particular ordinance, we either have to say yes or no to the land use, but we can't say we want to change it to all conservation. That's not allowed. We can't change the applicant's applications. No, but the staff, the applicant, one of the whole thing to be residential. That's correct. So they made the applicant at that time amended their application, pursuant to the recommendations of the Planet and Zoning Board because it was originally to the all-vented residential. And so at the Planet and Zony Board meeting, if my memory serves me correctly, which sometimes it does not. Okay, but yeah. There was a very active debate back and forth between the applicant and the Planet and Zony Board and they amended voluntarily their application to provide for this layout here which you have the future land use of residential on those isolated areas and the lower corner as compared to having it all residential and I believe that was a you know that was a productive meeting for for both the applicant and the is only boarded and it followed to the commission. And the applicant would like the VRN so they're thinking for units per acre on all that yellow area surrounded by those contributions. So that was the ask. So that's the zoning side of it. So that's the four units per acre. And then just as a reminder to the commission as well, we do have the offer for re-charge requirements. So even when they come in and they develop, they've got to give a percentage of lands and then retain that in offer for re-charge open space requirements. And so just from lived experience, a lot of developments have run into those restrictions. So that's not a throw away standard. And then actually some of the standards at the City Commission just adopted. And the code amendment is further improving kind of those open space or the recreation requirements. And so again, it's not all give. There's a lot of standards of the commission. This is actually a great meeting because you can see all of the different aspects coming together. You've got the code side, you've got the comp plan, and now you've got land use and zoning. It really is the full cross section of all of the tools that we've got in the toolbox. So we've added a lot of provisions in the code side of it to get better development when it does come, including open space and all those other provisions. And then now you've got kind of that umbrella of, okay, what makes the most sense here based upon everything else. And staff was pretty aggressive. We tried to put as much as we realistically could justify from a staff side in that and the applicant did agree, you know, at the time. And again, this is historical. This is an oddity because you've already voted on this previously. And so we have tried to limit, you know, the amount that goes into the vintage residential or the residential zoning categories. As I recall, when we did it the first time, it was a 4 to 1. Yes, it was. Your memory serves you correctly. Yes ma'am. I'm Debbie Huggler. I live at 396 WGTO Power Road. And I want to make a comment on what you said about the gate. But before I do, would everybody that lives on WGTO Power Road raise your hand? Just so you know that we are interesting. That's the whole block, isn't it? Just it would be almost like I have the police down there. Make sure your properties are protected. You said, if I understood correctly, that as long as the gates stood out, the emergency only gate that they could not access WGT of power road and that if the gate was taken down for some reason, that you would force the HOA to replace it. Who's HOA? Are we going to have to replace it every time somebody knocks it down? That's what I'm pointing out. We are not a nature way. So you're saying if it arched, it blocks WGTO road, comes down. And people start using that road to connect with us on to 557. That the new homes HOA would have to replace that gate. Yes. OK. Oh, it's only now that you've got broken stuff. Oh, yeah. We will. Was this a really slow part? Well, yeah. We have ways. What's that? No. That's our main concern. Well, there's quite a fact that the other side of the lake is being beaten. It's getting pulled out. It's not. It's easy. But we don't want people to lie down and get everything. You got to get your car. It's going to be a long time. I didn't get it. It's going to go ahead and click on the link. Click on the link. Click on the link. Click on the link. Click on the link. Click on the link. Click on the link. Click on the link. Click on the link. Click on the link. Click on the link. Click on the link. Click on the link. Click on the link. getting the residential designation because that's what's already there for. The amount of homes that they intend to build is going to increase more traffic. As he stated earlier, they're going to be bringing dirt in because it is wetlands and critical already. So that's going to increase the foundation. The water's going to have to go somewhere. And again, like he said, they put a straw in for the the runnage. The storm we had Debbie as I stated at the playing zoning meeting it flitted my yard and was standing water for three days. That's not the entire block though. Drainage in flooding is already an issue when you're going to be bringing more dirt in That water has to go somewhere and it's gonna affect us because obviously their property is gonna be higher Because the builders don't want their property to be an issue again that way they keep their money And then Can you back to that other picture? The brain, you know. So obviously with the swatches there, if they connect to utilities and stuff, the conservation is going to have to get affected because they're going to have to put stuff in the ground, utilities and such, and then also roadways. How are they going to get to and from that access point without going through the green conservation area? So that's another point. Because those numbers aren't really after it, we presented because there's going to have to be a yellow strip to connect somewhere for them to get to and from the residential if it gets approved. And then as far as if the gate is broken, how fast will code enforcement be out there to address the HOA in order to have it fixed. I think I've got I think I've got about 25 or 30 watchdogs in the audience tonight. If I put a lock on it is that going to be a problem? You couldn't put a lock on it because the public safety's got to have the access. Now if it's broken and you guys give us a call, which I'm sure you would, we would send code enforcement out same day, you know, to go down there and at least have a, you know, call them up and tell them that they need to secure it. I mean, we give them a reasonable amount of time to fix it, but they, we, you know, they would get they would have to restore it. So they would be cited. And again, if it's going to be broken, you might as well just have it closed. I mean, if there was a true emergency and the gate didn't open, public safety is going to, you know, ram the gate or they're going to get in there. So I'd rather it be broken in the closed position and broken in the open position and that's just something we would communicate to the HOA in public safety and if I had to haul them before the magistrate you know I would if we needed to. What's the fine amount? Is there a set limit or is that increasing free penalty? They would do it. I mean they would just do it because again I don't know how much it cost to replace a gate but you but if the magistrate started to find an amount of $250 a day or something, they're going to be pretty motivated pretty quickly to affect a remedy there. That's for first offense case. The defense case can be up to $500 per day, so that's your knock-year-old. And that's a secret to life. Thank you very much. So repeat cases, so if there's a violation of first offense case can be up to $250 per day. If it's a repeat offense case, it can be up to $500 per day. Okay. And again, the main issue is going to be the flooding. If there is more homes, obviously I don't want my home affected. There's other homes on the street that are affected by the water. And I don't want to be having that issue of the future. Thank you. My name is Kendall Burnup. I live at 351 WGTO Tower Road. I just have a question board and anything else. There's a gate, agriculture gate has a tab up with a key. How is that going to work with accessing an emergency? After the public hearing. I mean, is it a fire truck? So now I have a care. Okay, as soon as we finish with the public caring part of this, we will ask the chief to address what would be the way to handle that. So. And well another question is what emergency would be better served by using WGTO tower road is opposed to the entrance to the MLAQ Preserve development? I mean if there's a blockage on 557 towards the access from the gun like reserve development would work a whole lot better than WGTO Tower Road. I'm just guessing that because it's only the only entrance and exit to that particular area is, you know, it's just got to have a second means of egress. So I think the biggest. Yeah, we're talking a mile, mile and a half further. Yeah, you're really only looking at it. This is like, again, I kind of gave the analogy earlier with the fruit and park example. It's just to make sure that there's emergency access. Really where it would come then is if someone, let's say you had a major traffic accident that was just at the right at the main gate. Where would that accident be? I'm sorry now. Where could that accident be? on 557 if there were an accident on 557 and there was an emergency situation or somebody needed to go towards Lair Haven or even like Alfred. The accident would be more affected by WTO Tower Road or at least as much as it would, it'd be like preserve development. So make any sense. Again, I'll be happy, if Mr. Mayor, if you want staff to address these after the public hearing, I'd be happy. So I'm kinda keeping a tally of the questions and then we can just kind of address them off. That's fair. We'll, I'll have the city manager address all of your questions once we get them all in front of us here. Okay, thank you. Yes sir, thank you. Good evening. I'm Don Cald, I'm on 315WGTO Tower Road. I have a few concerns because this is obviously it was agriculture for quite a while. And I love the area we live in. We currently have great wildlife in the area. We used to have that herb before they did that expansion on the other side of the lake. But we have sand cranes that live in our neighborhood and walk through our yards daily. There's a black panther that I've seen over in that area. So there's sand turtles. So, if it was considered, if you decided it should be agriculture, I think those animals would still stay. But I feel like if we build more, it's going to be an essence to those animals and we're going to lose them too. The flooding is unbelievable. I probably lost at least four to five feet of my backyard since they put in the buildings across the wreck. And I can't tell you the last time we saw our boat ramp. I mean, we have one. Yeah, well, we have the dot too, but we also have the ramp. And we have, they're there. We're so informed. But we can't enjoy them because the water's too high now. It didn't used to be that way. They could let water out of that lake if they needed to when we first moved in. They can't do that now or they don't bother to do it. I don't know which, but I just think more development in that area is as far as residential. I almost think industrial would be better because I know, you said it was 43 acres. That's the oval on these little islands. So you're talking 160 houses. And that's 400. Yes. Okay, because I was under the impression we were thinking about 400 houses going in over there but I just think that So much of leg Alfred is so beautiful to build it all up like all these other communities around here be ashamed Thank you. Hello, I'm David Lewis, 109WGTO Power Route. I came from, me and my wife moved from Bortholome, for that reason we came out in 2018. And I just had a few questions on the picture that you can pull the picture back up, that had the pods on there. And I know our biggest concern at our house when we fight it every year is the slutty. Flutty is bad. And I'm the one who's taken over the lake in 2018, pulling the permit to add a lake spray for Lake lettuce and highest and stuff like that The lady moved away. I took that over everybody in my neighborhood They all be all paid together to keep this lake clean and we take pride in this lake And the problem I know just being in highway work Whenever you have these three areas, you're gonna be connecting with roads. It's nice to say, just go ahead and let them have it for now, we'll figure it out later. Forget it later, means hey, we're doing roads, roads, roads, you know, wrong off. We know what a wrong off is gonna go for the roads. All water's gonna come to the lake. We know it's the lowest point. right now we have events where we pour out of our garage and flood events if you get three inches of rain in a matter of two hours we're a foot water can and arrived at least and we're on the lakeside we are and I just think having all that pervious pavement we're gonna be adding to connect you know these properties and you have roadways, roadways have drainage and you know how many of the mines that you buy something in a wetland you're gonna buy a cheaper and you would buy it in the upland and you could you do get what you pay for you know that's the reason whenever we come there like hey we have certain amount of you you've got to have certain setbacks you've got to have certain size docs you've got to have all this stuff we have to recall, you know, follow in the code, but all that's going to do is just make it hard for people that's been there. And I've only been there since 2018. People like Mr. Rees have been there for a long time. In my neighbor, some of them are a long time. And we're going to, we're the lowest elevation. Waters higher than us ever been and it's just getting worse since I've been since 2018 where I got to get a pump and keep it where blood runs in our house and of course we have our flood. It just makes it more difficult for the people that were there before these new developers and I don't know if it's in the city's plan down the road. In my mind I'm taking why would the city want to have extra D3 little paws. Well maybe the city's plan is to annex and WGTO tower road and take all of our and we're all county we can all work taxes to county does the city plan on annexing NWGTO County tower road to provide access is that in the I'm I it's not my understanding because someone's got to give this blessing. We can't just go expanic something by ourselves. We can't take over the road or any of that. The people who own the land have to ask to be annexed. We can't just annex. There are some circumstances where you're annexing a large piece of property and there's a little piece that's not them. You know, that can be, but the city can't come and just annex your road and all your properties. Yes, but property that's a different developer than that LGBI homes. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. This is just the additional sub-bizards in the middle there and they haven't gave any kind of idea of how to access it to you guys or what you want to do. And again, as the city attorney will remind everybody this is just land use of zoning. So I don't know, it could sit there for 20 years like that. I don't know what they're going to do or when they're going to do it. Even the WGTO, even the GUM Lake project, that one, even though they're turning dirt on it now, and it's like, oh my goodness, it just happened. That project's 20 years in the works. And so a lot of these developments have been pre-planned, and then the economy just got to the point where they could execute it. I haven't seen any site plan or design on that component at this time. So it's really just the land use and the zoning. There is development to the east on the Lake Lowry side. That's kind of already gone through annexation and land use and zoning. So we're starting to see activity there. But this would be a future phase of the extension of some form of either the other development will come from the Lake Lowry side and go west and connect, which is probably what will happen. Or in theory, it could come from the east, but Lake Gound is its own project. The one that's active now, and that's already been master planned out for all the phases. So that's totally separate from this. So there's really no plan of how these lots, once you guys approve these, if you guys go forward giving the approval for these three areas, so you have to have a planned access these properties and just having open right. They would have to come in, so they would have to come in plan to access these properties and just having it open right? They would have to come in so they would have to come in with plans, they would have to go through site plan approval, you know construction plan. Yeah, like construction you'll be in a driveway permit for a house. Right. But you don't have to do this now. They're wanting to get the land approved and then figure out the access later. Right. And then whether it and you know it takes it's a six plus month process, they go through site plan review, because you got to do all the engineering, all the components that go with it, road access would likely be, again, look at the old grow roads that probably gives you some insight as to what they were trying to do. Not to mention your environmental assessments. So, you know, the sandskinks, I had never even heard of a sandskink until I got out of college and came to Polk County, but apparently they are a very big deal in Polk County. But, you know, sandskinks, you know, go for tortoises, any endangered species, that all has to be provided to the municipality via a certified environmental assessment study that will identify those things as well. So that's all part of the site plan approval process and you'll get into your planning. Same thing with drainage, swift mud permits, the wetland issues, all of those runoff, you know, a lot of there's a lot of retention as you've seen any of these new developments they have massive retention ponds that are designed, they kind of take that inside. Now, is it 100% perfect and absolutely not? And I think there are legitimate concerns just as the things that kind of change the topography. But by and large, those developments are self-contained with their own retention, and they've got their own internal stormwater systems that take up the runoff from the houses from the impervious surface and then routes it into those ponds. Now, if you had a major flooding event or a massive rain event, you know, those ponds would eventually spill over at some point, but they're fairly large. Well, I drove around the sun vision that just been built over there and it does have on my corner, on the part of the lake kind of, I guess would be kind of the south side. There's, they have all the triviti or barrier curtains out there and I mean, you have a slope there, you have runoff. We're definitely not all this, all this, if they're telling you it's all self-contained, that cannot correct. No, it's not all of it. It's not. you're going to have we have a full lake now and whenever our drives if everything's low in the lake your parking lot's going to absorb the water Right now it's not it's over full now and you could just take over and drive in that subject as you go back your access room Drive down like I just did There's all kinds of watershed going in that ditch that they have estimators that they're now Digging it out trying to get water. You know you're going to shouldn't want it. We're not self-contained, so that's it. You guys are being told, they're self-enthaned. It's not true. It's not kept on sight. It's going to, it's going to don't leak. It is. I guarantee there's always going to be some runoff. You know that goes into it. That's all I have. Thank you. Hi, Sherry Parker 450, Southburn, Clinton Avenue. How many of you all have actually lived in these lab houses over any type of weapons that you all haven't? I'm familiar with Kentucky. I grew up in the Easton, Jefferson County. A developer developed homes. Backfill, the heck out of the swamp land. Bill Hales is up on it. 15 years later, guess what? They all fell apart. Their cracked, settlement cracks really bad wall separating. Water keeps coming out. Tons of movement of the foundation. And those houses are crap. Today I'm dealing with my home, with a home that I grew up in, that was built in the area, but they had a basement. You know what happened to the house, but Pelt out of the ground not too long ago? Insurance won't cover it because of the development and where they developed it. So unless you've lived in that area, or you've experienced it, you are doing zero justice to anybody that eyes in that development. You're making a developer rich that's all you're doing. When those houses start having problems, guess what? Too bad. It sucks to be the homeowner. Because there are other problems. The water will come back. You would have flooding when it rains. You're going to have flooding. The house after itself is wet. You're on a real estate. Am I right or wrong? I'm going to admit I've referred to the professionals by hand. I mean, I'm assuming those homes are not going to be in the flood zone. If they are, they have to admit that they're hurt at the professionals, but I mean I'm assuming those homes are not going to be in the flood zone. If they are, they have to disclose that. There's no way that people could not know that based on information. Well there wouldn't be flood zone when you have standing water and you bring in time to fill the dirt. What happens? The water that was just going to raise. You can't pack it down, you can't make it solid. And over the years, your house is going to settle hard and things are going to crack. Pipes are going to break. Your house would be cracked. Don't approve it. Please don't approve anything. First on top of that, you have wildlife out there. Have you seen the eagles around out there? There's a lot of beautiful e Eagles out there. They're protected. The growth of Turtles for Cactus. There's a Panther out there. That's also protected. So that right there should be another reason. And the third reason we can't handle any more growth. We can't handle any more growth. Look at the whole place now. Look at the schools. You're doing you justice to the families. You're bringing people in, letting these builders build, bringing these people in as fast as you can with the kids. It may come on really. Please don't allow them to build. That would be the biggest mistake Nancy, I agree with you 100% and everything that you're saying about it. Really. But don't allow them to build. There's other land uses out there. And I certainly can understand being a neighbor and wanting to preserve the surrounding environment where I live. But just remember, these are property owners just like anybody else that come in the purchase property. We have regulatory frameworks set up for decisions such as future land use and then zoning. We have provisions in place that limit certain activities or uses of certain types of designations for future land use and zoning. We can't stop development. And that shouldn't be the focus of our decision. It should be how do we satisfactorily and evenly apply all of our regulatory requirements to a property owner to make sure that everybody has an equal opportunity to whether it's developed the property, live on the property, or to provide for some type of use on the property. But I certainly, and I'm not a neighbor, and as a matter of fact, I'll be the person that on the record that I do not go out and look at the sites because I have to look at it objectively. So I look at paper. I am, that's what I do, and I certainly, I know that some people will understand that, and some people will disagree with that. But in order for me to objectively look at each project that comes to me, I can't go look at it. So if you look at our comprehensive plan and you look at the procedural posture of this particular application, it's before you tonight for future land use first. Are the future land use designations being requested consistent with our comprehensive plan staff has analyzed this and said yes, it is consistent with the provisions, the goals, policies, and objectives of our comprehensive plan. Is it compatible with the regulation set forth on our unified land development code? Staff has reviewed this and said yes, it is compatible with our unified land development Development Code regulations, a regulation set forth therein. So now when you get to the site specific issues, and I feel we're talking a lot about them, so I'm going to keep coming back in and reminding you, talk about these site specific issues all that you would like and get that information, because believe me, I believe all these people that are here tonight, if this were to be a public hearing on the approval of a site development plan or some type of flat or the subject area, I want them all to come back in. And God forbid, if that flat doesn't show WDTO Tower Road as being in the emergency access only road, I'm just going to go exit back door, okay? The room will be rough, but just remember what we have to limit our decision to, and if you have any questions in regards to that framework, please let me know. If we were to deny this particular land use, then the applicant would have to come back and request the different land use. Obviously, we have to give them some kind of land use since that's annexed. So where are options? Okay, so you cannot, the applicant would have to voluntarily amend their application. I do believe that does create other issues for the municipality in light of the fact that there have been public hearings up to this point before on the same applications and it has been approved and now we're talking about potentially denying the applicant arguably an entitlement that they would otherwise have absent a negative comment coming back from the Department of Commerce. But if you were to deny it based on the correct criteria, then they would have to submit a new application. There would be no point in moving forward with the, well, it would be a public hearing on the zoning application because if you don't have applicable land use in place, then you can't have zoning. But they do have a right to have public hearing. Now, obviously, second read, final adoption, public hearing is already been advertised and scheduled for this is the next meeting. So this will be okay, a Transmittal Public Hearing. So yeah, if you both deny the future land use, there's no point in moving forward with the zoning and it won't be transmitted, but that does create a different set of circumstances and issues for the're going to spell it. From the owner. From the owner, because this has been approved. Now, I do appreciate vetting it so thoroughly, but if you find the correct criteria is not properly established, then that is your right to do that as a legislative body. Now, mind you too that, like I said, all applications that they come in after future land use and zoning have to have a satisfactory concurrency evaluation. That's not just portable water and wastewater that's you know stormwater retention that's going to be environmental assessments that's going to be transportation. That is why you see a lot of this plans come before you via the planning staff here in your city manager. I believe this is the only municipality that I have the pleasure of serving where we have adequately planned for all aspects of growth to the greatest extent possible. I can't think of any other city that is as well prepared as Lake Alfred is to try to handle and strategically address growth, but growth is growth, we can't avoid it, and we can't look at it through the lens that we don't want development, or we want to stop development. We just have to do it in orderly fashion. And that's why, man, I apologize. That's why I want us to protect us as a city, and also the citizens that are near. So we stand on the public area? Come on. There's somebody. here. Yes sir. Good evening folks my name is Chuck Abel I live at 320 WGTO Tower Road. I understand that this parcel in red has already gone up once and was passed by the council and failed to meet filing deadlines with the state. Therefore, we're going through it a second time. Is that correct? Yes, sir. Okay, so I think most of us probably missed that because we established in the meeting last week that the notifications to the communities that were involved were not properly notified. I think that's a procedural issue. I did not see the address. I did not believe that they were not properly provided. They were provided pursuant to the provisions of our code. Now, if a property owner did not receive the notification, I do admit that 300 feet distance wise from the subject property. That is what's provided for our code, as well as whatever the statutory posting requirements or advertising requirements are. Those were met. Now what? Because I don't want the record to reflect that we acknowledge directly. Excuse me, please. I point out. I'm a gentleman, ladies, who receives a notification locally? Anybody? No need to stop. But yeah. No, but we're in 300 feet of the roadway, which is what the description says. All of our houses are except for maybe two. Anybody disagree with that? So I'm not sure what notification was or wasn't. What I'm saying is notification needs to be corrected. We are all participating, we're all here, if we know about what's affecting our community. Now, I understand today we're talking about the red zone, so I want to talk about the red zone. I understand the elevation shows three areas that are considered for housing. That housing under your jurisdiction can be restricted to only rural, which I believe is one house in a 10 acre lot. So there would only be a handful of houses permitted in there. You have that authority to make that jurisdictional call. This has been agricultural land for a long long time and I'm from Florida as well. So that being said is one item. It does not have to be for acre or six per acre any of that. You have the option to keep it rural. The other thing that I want to bring up is drainage. So this is brought up in other meetings as well. All of the residences on WGTO Tower Road drain into Gumbake in some form or fashion. Gumballake is administered by SWIFT mud under the Southwest Florida Water Management District. We believe that this is not being managed correctly, it's been brought up numerous times over the years. There should be a drainage section probably in the cut right here, there we take, that should drain through that area and into the red box and all the way out to, and I'm not familiar enough to say which lake it is, the very large lake right at the end of Lake Alfred where you go to Winter Haven where you make that little turn by the stop light. It all drains down as a pathway there. This is extremely reminiscent of Sarasota, Florida, on exactly what happened two or three weeks ago, where they allowed tremendous development because they wanted the area to grow, and there's nothing wrong with growth, until you start impacting everybody else's property. The fact that we can't drain the lake because right now is already higher than it's ever supposed to been, leaving our properties flooded with the only outfall supposedly going through that area, which it does not, which should go into that entire conservation area as a wetland drain all the way down for all those sections into that one lake across. I think that's 1792 right there. All of that needs to be taken into consideration by this board. It's exactly like Sarasota was 50 years ago. Allowing massive semi-controlled growth may be more than what should actually be there can cause a problem. So once you start on the yellow areas that you had talked about, we had said four houses per acre that's going to be 160 homes in that area. You have to be able to get vehicles in and out. So you're going to create DOT-rated roadway, which is going to take a two foot minimum dig into that soiled area, creating a waterborne barrier to create pockets of water that don't perk into the ground. Don't transfer down the water flow that we're already talking about, creating more of a flood in the area that we already live. I'm not saying you can't use the area but you got to use it smartly. You're not supposed to be creating more problems for the residents that already live here. That's what we're saying. If we look at it more smartly, there's other ways. There's other places the growth can happen. Like was originally stated, the builder knew what they were buying when they bought it. And simply because they want to revisit and add more homes into a conservation area into a water drainage system doesn't make it right just because you asked for it. Sometimes you got to say no thank you. We want you to build in our area, yes we do, but there are other places to build besides in our areas entire drainage system. For Gumblet not only does it take our residents drainage, it also takes the two lakes that are on the other side of 557. They're supposed to drain under the highway and into Gumblet as well, which catches tremendous amount of fluid from that side of the highway, dumping into Gumballake as well, which catches tremendous amount of fluid from that side of highway dumping into Gumballake. I'm sure that your body could ask for the reports from SWIPMUD to see what the flood levels are in Gumballake at any time. That also is supposed to be immediately available. I asked last week for the survey by Southwest Florida Water Management District. I got a very nice email as an introduction, but no answer. Has there been a survey? What about the wildlife that was brought up? That's also a re-requirement by the state. And then you talked about the dark sky issue. Who's controlling what they're even putting in over there right now? Because you're talking about lighting out the area that's supposed to be a conservation area. How does that work? Smartly. So these are the questions that I have and I still expect an answer from this governing body. I know you guys want to do the right thing. We all want the right thing. We just got to decide what the exact right thing is. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Yeah, it was. You know, they didn't even get murdered. This has gotten late. Yes, sir. You've been waiting patiently. First of all my name is Bill clinky. I live at 170 W. GTO Tower Road and I want to thank you mayor for listening to our comments tonight. I think the board is doing a good job. There are some problems that we have and I appreciate that you're listening to us, but hopefully that you will do something with it. I'm sure you will. Laras have been out there on that road for over 40 years. We've seen it go from dirt to asphalt. We've seen our kids grow and now we see grandkids and now a lot of the homes not a lot but a few of the homes out there have been so to young families. So now we have more children out there that we are concerned with, with traffic. So that's been taken care of with that with that fence being up there. I've heard it this last couple weeks around the neighborhood, you know, different questions, different answers, nobody really knew, but we were told the answer tonight about the game and I appreciate that that clears my mind. Now Jimmy Cox and family owned that property out there for years and Jimmy Cox was a friend of mine and he told me about the property that he's not dedicated to the city to access the lake. Okay now I don't know what happened that property or the road that came to it. But if there's still a road there that leaves that part of the property, would that be an emergency exit also? I don't know. I'm not familiar with that. I know. It's just something to check into. You know, that's all I have. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Hello, my name is Carrie and Coquette and I live at 116 WGTL Tower. As Mr. Rill said, he raised his children out there and I bought my house to raise my two little babies out there and I bought my house to raise my two little babies out there. And on the bed end street, I raised my children correctly as you can see they've been quite interested. Awesome. Let's see. The one thing that I did think of is whenever you guys were talking about the landowner and their land use thing. The one thing I can tell you from living out there, we've lived out there four years, is that since the new neighborhood went in, which might have been after this land use situation or application or whatever, that that land and the surrounding land has gotten worse since the new neighborhood development has been put in. So I don't know how that affects their application or whatnot. And I have looked all through, but I remember seeing something in writing talking about a proposed 260 cars going down WGTO tower, which I think had a lot of us in a floor, so I don't know where that was but I definitely don't want that issue. And then I took video in pictures after Debbie which was not like a actual hurricane around our area and I could not step outside any door of my house, any door. I could not let my dogs out. Anything without being an ankle deep water for a couple days just from Debbie. Whenever we had the hurricane not last year but the year before it was three weeks. If I let my dogs to go out to pee I had to they were like clip-clopping their small horses and they had to sit on the back porch and drive before they could come to the house. The other thing is, and I would love to show you all these pictures and video of Jeff Debbie. I could not even open my garage door for a whole day because it flooded from my neighbors yard all the way up to my garage door. And let's see the other thing. Oh, my neighbor's house across the street. So I don't live on the lakeside. I live on the opposite side of the road. And I'm having all these problems on my side of the road. My neighbor's house, they get their houses the lowest house on that lake directly across the street for me and they have standing water in their house every time it rains and whenever we go to put our kayaks over in the lake we have to it's almost calf deep look that we have to walk through so the four of us are all traipsed in over there with our kayaks just to get in the lake and it's like and it's up to the front of our house like that. And the other thing, with the flooding, my daughter has been super sick since we moved in our house because we have mold issue after mold issue after mold issue with all of this water from our house. My house was torn apart and gutted to the studs for a year and a half, the first year and a half that we moved in. So I just, I know everybody keeps mentioning the flooding, but it's a huge issue. And Debbie was a small storm. It wasn't a major hurricane. And like we couldn't even go outside for days. So that's all I have. Thank you, man. And by the way, you have done a wonderful job raising those in the kids. Yeah. way you have done a wonderful job raising this. Good evening my name is Dick Reaves and I live at 213 WGTO Tower Road. The issues that have been brought up tonight is about the water. I've got a swift mud staff staff age, right off my dock, and I keep half-capped, not lately, but in the past years, quite accurate records of the lake level, the rainfall, and so forth the dates, and probably better, I know better the records in what SWEFMUD has kept. For an 18-month period of time, late GUM was over the 500, yes, 500-year flood stage. The water on my, that two side lots, the water in those lots were within feet, just a short distance of the property line. You could stand in ankle deep water. There was a culvert that was for years over in the southeast corner of that lake that that has been removed and it has never been replaced. I've got pictures that Swift Mudd said that were an insult to my intelligence. I put a piece of Colbert on dry land and pushed them dirt up against it to show that the Colbert was dry. I spoke with Mr. Lohan Good. Mr. Jacobs and I did several years ago and he assured me that he was going to get with the necessary other agencies and whatever to clean that whole canal out or have it cleaned out. And it's still the late level right now is about two and a half feet above what it should be. And it's not going down. Like the neighbors said, their properties are flooded. That shouldn't happen. And I think that this conservation area that everybody's talking about to be developed is part of our percolation system where it will help drainage but there's a lot more that needs to be done not only that and I think to have that regulated into residential area is something that's wrong. I appreciate all your efforts on what this is being done. I know it's a late hour, so I'll be brief. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen. Okay. Are any other people? Okay. Seeing none, I would like to start everything. Yeah, I want to get Ryan to kind of, he's been taking a lot of notes here and you've brought a tremendous amount of information to all of us here this evening and I think what it might do now. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And this is just kind of this feedback based upon the comments to the board. Just kind of help you as you're delivering. And so the question on the NOx box, you know, with the road access, that's how that is facilitated. You know, if any of the chiefs, if I say anything wrong, you can come up and kind of correct me there, but that's how they would access that. Now is there like a garage clicker, or is there like a keypad? How do they do that, chief? Now there's those box with keys, whatever lock is on that key. And then we've got it. Okay and so just... Yeah so we've got Knox boxes and other communities and like if you've got like a retirement community they might have it there. So that's really how that's going to be set up. The question regarding like you know why would we ever access that So that's really how that's going to be set up. The question regarding like, you know, why would we ever access that? And that's the thing about emergency management. It's the unknown event. You know, primary access would obviously be off of, you know, W or off of, I'm sorry, off of the 557. So they would come in through the primary area. But, you know, who knows if there's a cardiac arrest patient here and the ambulance is coming from the north, it might be quicker to go directly there than to try to go down further south and then we back through the neighborhood. The other example could be if there was a major accident and it cut off access in front of the development for whatever reason you know again that just provides a relief valve or a way to get in and out going back to the The example from before The the question on the four units per acre so that is the VRN that is requested. That's our primary residential category and actuality they tend to hit the density doesn't tend to be the limiting factor when they're done putting in roads and retention ponds and everything else. The developments end up around like 3.4, 3.5 units per acre. So rarely when you say a single family residential neighborhood, even with the reduced lot sizes that will, you know, butt up or butt up against the four units per acre. The city has no intentions or plans of annexing WGTO Tower Road. You know, that's been in nothing that we've kind of discussed. Now at some point, if there's enough voluntary annexation petitions over a 10-20-30 year period, you know, I'll give the commission the example of the folks off of the experiment station road that actively want to annex into the city 20 years ago was a totally different narrative. They didn't want annex at all. So that's not something that the city pushes. We really respond to property owners and applicants that come to us. So unless all of the folks in this room want to sign a petition that annex into the city, you know, we're not looking to do that unless you're looking to do that. So that's not really a, I would say, a salient or a tangible concern at this point. There are cases where cities have done involuntary annexations, but if there's registered voters on the property, we can't just arbitrarily do that. There has to be an election. And remember when we took in the area off of a mulch be lane, you know, where we have public workshops, we went down to the church, we talked about the pros and cons, and then they actually voted on the ballot as the whether they wanted to join or not. So that's the only time I can remember in recent memory where we did that but the vast majority of folks wanted to come in. That's not the case here so I don't really anticipate that being an issue. You know the other notes that I had were just regarding surveys and construction plans. You know a lot of the concerns regarding drainage and things like that really are handled at that construction level, not inherently at land use. Mr. Reeves, we've had many conversations over the years and I've been given more research than I could probably ever know what to do with this on the the history of Lake Gum. The average is it is high there there was a cold bird or is a cold bird that kind of goes to the south there you know where the the Lake Gum project is when I spoke with the district and I know Mr. Reeves has got a different opinion. There's a jam up in the wetland as the water kind of sifts through where this is what the district's told me again. I'm not a hydrologist or an expert that there's almost like a high point in the wetland to the south and water will back flow back into the lake and only if it gets above a certain level will it kind of like act as a weird spillover and go further down. He is correct though, and the other gentleman spoke about it, the water networks in that area are very intricate and they do kind of flow through. There's a culvert there off of the experiment station road, I believe, and it goes through, and then it does work its way through and go into a dump and do lake, lake hens, and then go through Lake Rochelle. John Deaton and I can attest we've had many interesting conversations with Smith Mud and FDAT over the years. Sometimes where they try to tell you that water goes uphill and I don't know about that. So we've all had those conversations with state officials and they can be very frustrating so I do appreciate the frustration there in Dillon with the district and I share it on most days. And then I don't know. He had referenced an easement or for another road or emergency access and I'm not familiar with that. The only one that I'm aware of is the one that we've discussed today. And then again, I'll just kind of leave my comments. We've had a lot of discussion here, you know, in the commissions put in a tough spot, you know, but the end of the day, you're really looking at the land use and the, or I'm sorry, the future land use. And then you've got the zoning provisions and you've got to kind of weigh those alternatives, you know, in that context. And then I don't know if the city attorney had any additional feedback before the city commission deliver rates and makes their decision. This briefly, the notice in publication requirements that are set forth in the code, as well as board of statutes are always complied with prior to any public hearing. So while I certainly understand the desire to have a more broad, I guess the vicinity map when it comes to those notices, the city did comply with applicable regulation and law and providing notice for any public hearing. Is there anything that we could do to amend that to when people have? Apparently everybody has access to their homes via that road and the 300 foot thing, the 300 foot requirements in our code if you wanted to address that code requirement. We will be discussing administrative procedures later on anyway. If that's something that you would like to address as far as the notice requirement, I want people feeling like they've not been notified. That's the biggest thing, isn't it? Any data? I need you to come. Well, she's coming up. Can we be clear what WGTO road is? Is it a county road? To county road? And it is a per se to that end of the. It's a dead end. It's a dead end. And I have driven that 557 for years. Is there a sign that says dead end? Dead end. It does. OK. I always wanted to make sure I thought there was. Yes, ma'am. Please state your name and carry in. Okay. One 16 WGTO Tower. I want to say what were you saying about the. Oh, I would say about the land. So I'm not sure exactly who has the largest property, but towards the coldest sack going from the coldest sack going towards 557. So you're headed in west on the GTO tarot. It's like five plus acres and they get smaller to like, I think one acre is like the minimum closest to the stop sign at 5.37. So when you're talking 300 seats, that's why I think a lot of us weren't here before. But as you can see, we all talk to each other. So we all start a phone call and texting having roadway meetings to like everybody get here because we don't feel that we were properly notified because you do have such large property closer to this land that we're talking about. So all of those lands closest to that are going to be five plus acres. So 300 feet on the GFR FI acres a lot. That's all I have to say. Thank you. You can always look at those provisions when making changes to your land development code. I know that your administrative procedures land development review procedures will be back for you at some point in time in the future. If you want to task staff with looking at other jurisdictions or seeing what else we might be able to come up with as far as notice is concerned. The notice that is sent for like rezoning or land use actions such as this or any other land use related public hearing, we can certainly look at that and try to bring you back options. Thank you. OK. We ready for commission's comments. Well, I feel like I made myself clear about how I feel as far as the, I know there's regulatory people like the environmentalist and the Swiss-M people and all that but we are the people who live here and we know what that particular area has been through as far as the Greenswomp regulations and we've had multiple different developers through the years come and try to do different developments. And I think the city has been very careful to try to do sustainable development. In this particular case, I can't wrap my head around drawing the roads to connect the dry land. When somebody made the point that they knew what they bought when they bought it, and if it's surrounded by wetland, they can't expect that they can just put all the utilities in the roads. It's not just a little too lame consideration. It's the depth of it, it's the fact that it bisects the water and the animals and just creates more disturbance in the wetlands. So I'm not objecting to the upland being developed, I'm objecting to the fact that you can't get to it without destroying conservation area. And by their own admission that is conservation area. So I can't support this myself. Well, do you have a roll call? I don't even have a motion on the second one. Oh, okay. Do you have a motion at the second one? I'd like to make a comment too. I think Mischard mentioned too. I mean, I'm going to count by trade. I mean, I do real estate part time. So that doesn't factor anything in this at all. You know, what I'd like to, and I and I first of all I appreciate everybody for coming out. If we could get more support from our residents I'm just you know on a monthly basis weekly basis because that's what I really that's the reason why I ran I ran you know to get you know other buddies perspective so that we could all you know have a better city. One of the things too that we need to consider is been brought up. This has already been passed as well. So if it's been passed, and if what we're really voting on is, because there are already been annexes in the property, it's what you the most use. Again, this has already been passed. I mean, I don't see how we have the grounds. I don't see how we have the grounds to not do that. I understand your guys point to any homeowner a period that comes into our area. You know, they're out of the seeking because you're concerned about the areas around them as well. I just don't know how legally we have the grounds suggested by turning this down. Because then I'm sure they're going to come back and say you guys are to pass this. This is, there's residence around this. You know, how you guys voting down on it. So as much as I agree with you guys and how you feel, if we're objectively looking at this and what it can be, that's where, I mean, nobody's going to put that industrial or commercial. Obviously, there's only residential around it. That's where the only thing it can be. That's not feedback, because that's going to come back in the city, and that could potentially cost our residents a lot more money as well. I mean, I look at things too. All the people who generally live here have raised families here. You know they want something for their kids to do. They're tired of going to all other cities all around us just to go to the grocery store, go to the football league or you know stuff like that. So there's a big you know there's a big layer of people that are not represented here as well. So I mean we've been here and we appreciate everybody's comments going on almost three hours now. But I don't personally see how we can turn this down when authority has been voted in. Now, we can be really hard, you know, in a stringent way, making sure that they did my comment on the engineering side to make sure that the flooding is mitigated because even more of these people in the county, that's a particular county issue, they're still affected on this other end. So that would be my ass, is to not let them pass by, learning if there's an issue with that potential issue with the one that was already built, if being built now, learn from that. That would be my ass to be more stringent on the on the ending. That has more information on their designs. Well, we're not at the design stage. This is just on future landings. So that like when that meeting happens, I mean if this was passed, if you're giving out an idea, this was passed a year ago and I still haven't done anything, you know, when that time comes, I'm asked for many nicotudes and notify, you know, whatever the commission decides whether it's a half mile or, you know, something that's more represented that people around it. But that's my thing. I would fight them to the nail and making sure they have a good design and design those systems. But I just don't see, me personally, I don't see how we can vote no when we are devoted yes and it's compliant with the area around it. Commissioner Eden and it. You can say to court. Come make a mission daily. Good system. And to Commissioner Eden's points, you know, and again I kind of tried to have an objective lenses to 95 96% of the comments that I heard tonight were related to, you know, during construction plans, those types of standards, whether it was going to be commercial, industrial, you know, or residential. We do have language in the code too on preserving wildlife corridors and things like that. So, I mean, I think going back to the point of, like, those standards, as we apply the code through the review process, whether we get an application six months from now or five years from now or ten years from now, and again, we say like, oh, it's a foregone conclusion that it has to develop tomorrow, but again, I'll point back to the gum-like subdivision. That's been in the process for 20 years, and they're just now building it. So,'ll yield to the city attorney as to the liability. Stas and Sierra Leopold rises on missing the transmittal. You know, we've got to fall on the sword for that one. It was just a change in the state. You know, they're what they want. They want the notice after now the final adoption and that went into effect in 2023. So we've corrected that. The cop plan was the other one that was caught kind of in the in the till there, but then going forward, you know, we'll make sure that we hit those notice requirements back to the state and we can evaluate the distances and see what other jurisdictions do as far as notices for the commission to weigh that. As far as further comments on from the public I think we've posed that door for at least right now. Fargu sir I think Mr. Egan opened the door when he made a misstatement. I would like to offer a counter to what he just said. I'm going to come back. My name is Chuck Abel. I'm at 320 WGTO Tower Road. Mr. Eden just stated that he had already made a decision a year ago and a year ago. It was to pass this, whatever we call this, in this process. I'm simply responding to your statement, this, in this process. Okay, we, not that. I'm simply responding to your statements, sir, as a group. What I'm saying is that we're all human and we can all learn from what's happened in that year's time, maybe having that year to re-evaluate things that have happened, the acclimat change, what you believe you're not, water distribution, so on and so forth. And the fact that we're all human and we all make mistakes and truly may learn and make a better decision instead of saying I'm locked in and this is my only answer that is not a true statement. Re-evaluating learning and making a better decision when you have the opportunity is important. And that's why I want to point out when you said I have no choice for whatever the exact words on the tape recorder is. You do have a choice, we do have a chance to learn and we can make better or different decisions when that question comes back to the table. Thank you. Okay. And Mayor Jisper, your own, as a matter of Parliamentary procedure, when the mayor presides over the meeting, closes public comment, and individual commissioner is not able to reopen the public comment. You have now officially closed public comment, and it is discussion amongst the commissioner. So Parliamentary procedure provides that once you close it, it is closed. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. All right. Well, let's ascertain a motion. Before we do that, I would like to appreciate that people in the crowd for their demeanor and their thoughtful comments. Thank you all for coming out. And if you ever do want to annex into Lake Alphabilly, we'd be glad to have you. You have much better garbage pickup, police, fire, much better. So just so you know, we love you all and we'd like you to join our city whenever you're ready. Just one final thought for the commission before they make their decision. This is just first read, so even just transmitting it to the state to get their comments back and then having the public hearing. That may also be an option as well and then give the applicant a chance to respond or present at second read. Is there an opportunity for the residents to address the when we when we transmit it to the state? Can they address the state and have any comments toward that procedure? I mean I think I don't know how that works with the transmittal. I mean they look at it for what they look at it, but they look to see if it's in compliance, but they take them to. We could transmit the minutes as a part of it so they could see the salient things that were discussed regarding. The state received a flurry of written correspondence, I think it would be hard to ignore it, but the state is going to review it for those items that it's required to for purposes of consistency with state law. But you make enough noise, someone is going to hear you. So I would certainly never tell a resident within Polk County or within the corporate limits of the city of Lake Alford not to voice their opinion. Okay. Okay. So they'd like to open for a motion. Well, I'll make a motion to deny it. Anybody want to check in that? You don't want to second it then you'll have to make an emotion to approve it or table it. If there's a motion I know second the motion will fail and then if there's a motion. There's a motion. So. Okay. I've got a date with you to give my and look at for other reasons, but I need personally I feel like I need to physically see what's going on out there. That's just my feeling. So in order to carry this forward, first is maybe your motion, a second or two. Well, I can make a motion, can I? You can, of course, I already made a motion, so it's in it for a second, so then you need to close it, or just, whatever you do when you don't get a second. If you open it for a second and no second is made, then you'll have to open the floor for a new motion. The whole city is open. So you think the claim that the motion is dead for lack of a second? Yes. Or unless somebody wants a second it. Can we get through the microphone? I'm very sorry. I just said that. I had made a motion and nobody seconded it. If nobody seconds it then they have to close the motion and say it was dying for lack of a second. And if somebody else wanted to make a motion they could do that after that. If you approve it on first reading, it doesn't mean that it's guaranteed to approve on Pat Public Hearing. It would transmit to the state and then they would have their review period and then it would come back. We would notify the applicant so that they would know that they need to come and present and have their voice heard. That gives an option to the commission if you didn't want to deny or if you wanted to approve just to go through the process. Okay. So I'm going to have the question. There was no second position. Declare at death. Do I get first motion? He's going to declare that. Oh, OK. Then I will declare. My motion is dead. Relaxed with seconds. OK, there you go. I got you. So the motion to decline has not been supported. Therefore it's dead. So, are we? That's what we're all trying to think. And there's an idea. Somebody can make another motion. I don't know if you're willing or. Well, I mean, I'd like to hear. I mean, we've made our. Yes, we've we've made our like I said I look at it as residential round whether we voted all last time or not I'm it's still residential around to that to me that's the only thing it could be out of out of those three Obviously, you know that there is a you know you could I mean, if they do the studies and there's something that's blocking that, that would happen further down the road as far as like a endangered species or something like that, right? I mean, we're getting the weeds like a, you know, you are getting into the weeds and the only reason that they don't show like a pathway of vintage residential where these grove roads are, which you know are already connection points is because they don't need to do it because conservation already allows for roads to be built. So that's why if they knew that they would lose the road because it was in conservation I can promise you they would have requested to have the Grove roads which are already in existence to be as a part of an upland designation. So that's kind of the unspoken aspect as to it. Well, it's all in conservation. Well, it is, but there's already grow-backstess roads to these roads. They don't march through the wetlands with their wet suits on to then haul the oranges through the swamp to get it out of there. There's already grove roads there. Now, are they improved roads within pervious surface and all of those things? And are there not concerns there? Yeah, there are concerns. But to say that there's no upwind access to those roads, how did they get the citrus out of there? No, there is access. So they just don't include that in the zoning because they can build the roads on conservation. I hope that helps clarify. Yeah, and that was now in the other comment, would I think Mayor Fowler was getting ready to tell us his, his, his, his, you know, the matter. So I think that's all we really need to do is if you want to reopen it for motion and let's say Commissioner Dermann wants to say what he's you know based on it. Well, on my part is I want us to be consistent with the city and I want to be consistent with our neighbors. And when it's presented, what has been notified, we have the jurisdiction of balanced developed and the concerns that they've given tonight for three hours or it is well documenting for us to move forward. That's mine. So make a motion. Okay, I'll make a motion to approve Ordinance 1544-24 Burton Ranch Future Land use at first reading And I'll second the motion to You know have all the aspects of tonight's meeting included. I would request the roll call note, please. Mayor Fowler? Fowler. Vice Mayor Daly? Mayor? Commissioner Eden? Yes. Commissioner Dehrman? Yes. Okay. Yes. OK. Just move forward to the next. Whitney, we've got to move on to the zoning ordinance. OK. So we're going to go ahead and move forward to ordinance 1545-24, Burton Ranch zoning. We'll go straight to. Seth, you. Thank you, Mayor. Boardness number 15, 45-24, an ordinance of the city commission of the city of Lake Alfred Florida, and then the official zoning map of the city of Lake Alfred Florida by sending the official zoning map of the City of Lake Alfred Florida by sending the vintage for residential neighborhood VRN zoning district on approximately 43.88 plus or minus acres of land and conservation. Sea in zoning district on approximately 196.94 plus or minus acres of land for property totaling approximately 240.82 plus or minus acres X- into the City of Lake Alford, General Location, East of Highway 557 WGTO Tower Road, and Gum Lake, West of Lake Lowry Road within the Green Swamp Area of critical state concern, and further described as parcel 26716-00000-14040000, repealing all ordinances and conflicts herewith, providing for separability, providing for the administrative correction of script and script and its errors and codification, and providing for ineffective date. Okay. And you already read it. So we've covered this because it was presented concurrently. So the requested action is the 43.8 acres of the vented residential and then the 196 acres of the conservation zoning categories. And staff recommendation is to approved ordinance 1545-24 on first reading. Okay, it's a public hearing. And this is regarding the Burton Ranch zoning. You open this for public hearing and invite anybody up. It wants to address that issue. So if there's anybody that would like to come forward do that. Hello, good evening again. Francis Jacobs, 401 WGTO Tower Road, the conference floor. We appreciate everything you guys are doing, especially with the notification because I think you can get a lot more people. The Grove Roads, those aren't always accessible, especially during the Wednesdays. Right now they're growing citrus on it. You got to also realize when they're in there doing work in it, it's during the dry season when they can drive through those roads. Like I said before, it's a foot in the door. doing work in it is during the dry season when they can drive through those roads. Like I said before, it's a foot in the door. You know, we've seen it with the other project concerning our neighborhood. The water issue is huge for us. When the water table comes up, not only is the lake floating on yards, it's also stripping our foundations because when water table comes up into your house like carries it directly affects the soil when soil gets wet what happens to it gets mushy turns mud now your house starts moving you don't want to build a house on mud and that's what's happening when I originally built my house, they tried to stop me even though I had all the correct permitting because they said I was filling on wetlands. Okay? And because of the environmental, I mean the economic impact that 20 years ago stopped them from developing that property on the other side of the lake because they were all ready to go for it. You guys know that. They bring it in tons of dirt. That's going to happen all around in the wet swamp. I'm in the green swamp. We see it. And that's a giant concern for everybody that lives here, not just how it affects us. And I know you guys already had this, and we talked about the previous vote. Once something is designated in a building plan in a project, and they say that this land set aside for conservation land and we're never going to build on that. Is that written in stone like the team commandments or can they eventually come back and request now to change that and say, you know what, we're going to build more houses on this area. I have not ever run across anything and mind you, I've only been practicing law for 13 years or so. across anything and mind you I've only been practicing law for 13 years. But I have never run across anything that is written as stone, ten commandments type, perpetuity. There's a rule against perpetuities for a reason. I have not ever seen something that cannot be eventually somehow some way unwound to provide an opportunity that was not previously there before. That being said, the most security that the city of like Alfred is able to provide is the conservation title or designation for the subject property. Sort of that, I'm not aware of anything that we would be able to do local and use regulation-wise. That would provide a greater degree of certainty as to the future development of the property. But nothing's written in stone. Thank you for that. We really appreciate being able to talk to you because you are a governing authority in the development in this area. We can't get to the state. It's practically impossible. We can't avoid death here. So we definitely want to thank you all for addressing our concerns. If I may add something, Mr. Mayor, and this is why Stasins spent so much time focusing on the land development regulations themselves. You could see the ordinance that was passed recently, you know, hundreds of hours went into fine tuning, to improve the standards. I think the takeaway for me on this personally is that we're going to have more development in the Greenswamp area. It's just going to happen. And we know that we can tap the brakes, we can process it, we can regulate it. And the key there is the regulation side. And as a city attorney is common, it's not outright prevention because you're going to lose that battle, but in putting those standards. So I think there's some fair points brought up here that I'm going to contemplate on and that may turn into future action items on. One of the things that the City Commission approved recently was a transportation master plan, which does contemplate road connectivity and building new roads and development will be a part of that too. I think there are legitimate concerns regarding roads and drainage and making sure that the culverts are of the proper size. I do remember the late gum development where they came in. And yeah, if we could have had the enforcement to do it, we probably would have had to put in a slightly bigger culvert. But a lot of that's governed by the water management district and things like that. But the city can always, or usually, say always, usually be more restrictive. So I think as we go forward and we look at road regulations and wildlife corridors and drainage that we again, whether it's this project or any other project, you know, we look to increase those standards. Now, we don't have the expertise, again, we've got legal and a budget guy over here, you know, but we've got engineers that we work with, you know, that can look at that, and I can put those questions to them as to, hey, how do we beef this up? How do we make it more robust, more resilient, above and beyond what the basic requirements are? And that's with my would even require. You know, we pride ourselves in Lake Alfred is doing it better. And I think that's an avenue that we can explore on the engineering standard side to where when that development comes in, whether it's this property or another property, whether it's commercial, whether it's industrial, whether it's residential, that we increase those standards and make it as robust as possible. And that was my takeaway, and we're good. Thanks. Okay. Yes, ma'am. Chris Able, 320 WGTO Tower Road. From what I understand is what you're trying to now vote on is the zoning requirements. So I would pose this to the commission and the mayors that you deny the VRN and go to one residence per ten acres there. Because that would be agricultural residential. You do have the power to do that and to not grant them to put four houses for acre or three at point five, which you can't have half a house. So let's be realistic here. So you know, he was like, oh, well, yeah, it ends up being 3.5 houses. So we put a tiny house and then three regular houses. You know. I could sell something that's a tiny house. Yeah. So I would ask the commission to consider, yes, you've already told them that they can use those three splotches for residential. But why don't you say it's residential? You know, because we have horses, I have six acres, and I have horses. And people on our road have cows. So it's still residential, but it's agricultural residential. So you guys could recommend us going to one house for 10 acres. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening. My name is Chuck Abel. I'm a 320WGTO-R road. I'd like to put some to the commission. So I understand that the entire gun-like property project is under this commission's authority. That's correct. So stormwater is your issue that should be on some board, somewhere, some planning, some whatever. I'm willing to make an officer offer as a citizen of that lake. You guys with the authority for that? We're concerned about the drainage. I'll pay to have the conduits or culverts or whatever's left-camera to see if there's a problem. If the culverts are there, I will pay to have it camored by a licensed third-party company. And you guys can fix your storm water that affects our entire area. If there is no culvert or it's been collapsed like we have photographs of, you guys pick it up and fix it because you're responsible for storm water in that area. I understand you're not going to have a drainage problem because it seems like they've built up enough dirt to have most drainage into the lake or into the backside and that's fine. But it's your area of responsibility and I'm willing to help. So if you guys want to say yes, I'll arrange to have somebody like brown root come out or orange or one of those third parties and we'll camera that line after you uncover it so we have access to the lake side entrance. That's my offer. Thank you. Any other people would like to come up? Okay. Seeing none. Pass it on that or city commissioner comments. I think to make one comment, I mean it's a do subdivision if what the gentleman is saying is they go and inspected and it is enough to what it should be. I mean shouldn't that be something to build her? So they all have stormwater permits through SWEFMUD. They've got design considerations that they've got to maintain their stormwater system that's permitted not only through our site plan process and construction plans but also through the district. So if there was a maintenance issue or a pipe collapse, you know they would ultimately be responsible for it. Now I think the pipe in question, they have a pipe like where they put in the road that enters into Gumbwake. There used to be one there too when it was dirt. So there still is that culvert, but there's other culverts or there's other systems downstream of that as kind of how it interacts. And that goes back to Mr. Reeves' comments. And I'm going off a memory here at Mr. Reeves because it has been several years, but Swift mud walked me through all of that. And so there's pieces where there's actually defined like canals and culverts and things like that. And then there's other areas where it just kind of like seeps through the wetland. And so the swift mud told me and again I don't know the veracity of the claims, but they say that there's like a high point in one of the and part of the wetland down south of gum. We're almost like it, almost acts like it has like a small dam to where the water builds up in the wetland and then it back flows into the lake. So you may actually have water coming back out of the culvert going back from the wetland into the lake, which makes sense because the lake is the lowest point. The lake is basically just a low point where the water goes. So by definition, the wetlands higher than the lake because the lake is lower than the wetland. So water can actually backflow from there. Now if enough water comes in, then it may get past that high point and then see through or some of it may perk just naturally through the wetland but that's how it's been explained to me I could be dead wrong I'm kind of relaying what I've heard to Swift mud over you know many concerns that have come to me over the years and looking at that as these things develop are there the potential for impacts absolutely you know no question and I think that's where it just comes back to boosting up standards as much as possible to provide additional co-overs, additional flow opportunities, and then, again, try to increase it from the standard side. Rather than the land use or the future land use or the zoning side, you're not going to solve those problems, you're not going to be resolved at a zoning or a land use or the zoning side, you're not going to solve those problems are not going to be resolved at a zoning or a land use level because they're too technical. And so that's where I would be concerned hanging our hat on that. I think we need to look to the standards and increase those for future development going forward. Do you have any future side development plan approval That's going to be a quasi-judicial proceeding such as the zoning as before you as a quasi-judicial. It's a burden shifting analysis, but it is an objective analysis, not a subjective analysis. So what you have to have in a quasi-judicial proceeding is what's referred to as confidence, substantial evidence to support the decision either yet or against. So if this particular property were the subject of a site plan that we're coming back before you for consideration and the property owners or joining property owners, the J.S. of property owners brought back in a report from a qualified expert, an engineer, for instance. They would be able to submit that information to you as the legislative body and decision making authority as competent substantial evidence as to why it should not be approved, whatever is being requested. So that's how that would work and I certainly, you know, obviously the goal is to arrive at the right result, not just at a result. So if a study were performed or some type of engineering report were prepared specifically for this property and brought back to you, that would certainly be something that could be submitted to the clerk's office prior to the hearing that could be prepared and distributed throughout the dias, so that way you would all have that information for consideration. Just to add on the area where you're talking about the area where you're talking about that may be potentially causing the problem, is that on this property or is it south of it? And see that's the thing. We're really talking. And whose property is that? I know that's what I'm trying to do is if that's really the issue, potential issue of what's causing the problems of these residents. Yeah, so you can't see it here, but the covert, like it's south of the lake, as you get into the entrance off the 1790, sorry, 557 that comes in, there's a drainage from gum lake that kind of goes into that area. I don't have my geography exactly right, but it's to the south of here. Okay, so this is the burden ranches here. The voting question. and we just started to have a relationship with our citizens. Anything that's submitted to the Commission for Consideration has to become part of the record. So I would advise the Commission not to take into account anything that was just provided to you unless the general would like to provide his cell phone to become part of the record. I don't think that's the case. I have to try to maintain Parliament. It's all right. I am the same. I just want to be healthy. I just have to. Yes sir. Thank you. I wanted to address what Ryan said about that issue. There was a road across there, but it was at the current elevations. This new one is $30 feet tall and much wider. In the past, when we had three sets of hurricanes or one that dropped a lot of water, that actual road that crossed over there, that the agriculture people were using to get to their cows, washed out. Because that can house 40 feet wide. You can see the burns on it. I applaud and plow you to go out and look at it physically. You know, if I knew I could show you the films that I took of it and present them here, I would have done it. So you wouldn't have to go look. All right, I can do that in the future. Now the water can't push. The high spot Ryan's talking about. It can't push that out and clear it anymore because it's down to a trickle. We all know what water under pressure does. Literally, they put the Hoover Dam across it. So everything downwind is going to be affected and of course it's all going to get overgrown and you know and now the water is going to try to run the other way. You know that's another consideration with this. With the zoning on this, the same potential to happen, to happen to this particular one around the lake, can happen here as well. And that's what we're all here for, to try to make you guys aware of that, that in the future going forward, if you have an engineer like the attorney said, that's great, who's paying them? What time of the year are they doing the study in the dry season or the wet season? All that stuff comes in the play. You know? So you're getting information, but is it a bias report because he's getting paid from the developer? All those things come in. Like I said, I've been in construction for 40 years. I've seen it. So that's what we're most concerned about. And we're glad to have your ear. We really are. You know? Like Brian said, instead of putting a straw through there, they could have put a box cover, which was the length of the canal. Now the water can flow freely when it's under pressure. When the lake comes up, I know personally I saw them put that cover in. They had a 12 inch temporary pipe in there first. When it first pushed it across, then it got idalia and we all fled because the water could get out. So then they pushed that Hoover Dam out of the way to let the water go around so they could dig here and put the cover in where it was supposed to go and our lake dropped a foot in less than 24 hours. The construction guy told me that they had to pull the crack hose away because they were going to fall in from the amount of water coming through there. So something to think about. When you go to look at this kind of stuff, and I like what Chris said, maybe not one house per ten acre, but maybe one house per acre, you know, to lessen the environmental impact and the drainage problems and stuff like that. And that's all in your preview. When you're laying out the plans, I know that's in the future, but you know something to think about. We appreciate you're here. Thank you. What is the regulatory situation now for we only have a choice of the zoning they request that we can't say we want a difference on it, is that correct? That's correct. So the decision before you know in a quasi judicial context is the request that is submitted to you is it consistent with your comprehensive plan? Is it compatible with your land development regulations? Is it in line with surrounding land uses or development trends? And then the burden, if that burden is met by the applicant, then the burden would shift to anyone in opposition to establish why the request is inconsistent with your comprehensive plan, not compatible with your land development regulations, so on and so forth. If they established that burden, now you would be looking to whether or not there is a public purpose that would prevent your voting to either recommend approval or there would be some form of overriding public policy or purpose for you to recommend denial. So you are more limited in a quasi-judicial context, especially since the staff analysis based on the information that was provided as part of the applicant's application and staffs reviewed that the request is consistent with the comprehensive plan the city of like Alpour 2030 comprehensive plan is compatible with the land development regulations as provided in the ULDC and would be in line with surrounding land uses or zoning designations for similarly situated property with the mental area. So now you would be looking to whether or not there has been some form of competence of substantial evidence of testimony provided to you that is beyond conjecture or speculation. So you can have layperson testimony as to actual conditions, but you cannot have speculation or any type of projection as to what's going to happen if the property is used with somebody doing it as a prick or always going to flood. Now, like I said, firsthand knowledge as far as layperson testimony is concerned, yes, when we had a storm, it flooded. know, this time last year the lake had risen to a certain point. But as to any conjecture, as to whether or not it did not, it did or did not meet an engineering standard, that could not be considered as a component substantial for purposes of your decision. Whose opinion, or is it opinion or a lot about the being compatible with surrounding areas? Now obviously based on what is presented to you by staff in the in the form of it could be maps, it could be information. Staff has reviewed it. Staff's recommendation is that yes it is compatible but you can make a finding based on competence of substantial evidence which would be maps or publications or anything that that staff has provided you in the form of something aerial depiction as to the property and surrounding land uses. You may make that finding that it is not compatible. If in your opinion, based on what's been presented, it is not compatible. So it wouldn't be able to be based upon any type of conjecture speculation, like I said. I mean, if you have a qualified expert in a certain area or field testifying as well, that would be confidence substantial. So we can't decide that ourselves if we're not an engineer. No, you can make that finding based on what's been presented to you, but you'd have to do it based on what has been presented to you in the form of confidence of substantial evidence by staff. So the areas, the projections, the maps, everything that's been provided to you, if you and your discretion, I feel that it is not compatible, you may make that finding. Thank you. Yes, Rob? Hi, Shari Parker. I have a question for you. What I'm finding, what's happening? Doesn't this fall under the Florida Statute's 403.141? Because in it's a civil liability exists for damage caused to water from unlawful, dredging, building, or destructural wetlands. Finds may run as high as 15,000 per or fence and liability may be joint and severe. It goes down to Statue 403.141. In order for anything to be done, anyway, you have to go to the Florida Department of Fire and Mental Protection. I could be wrong on that, but I am pulling it up on it for the statues. Also, there is a website called Redoostbleting.com. Now, nobody knows the effects we build at home on wetlands. This article by the National Wildlife Federation details the problems of building homes over wetlands, shifting slabs. I think I talked about that. Damp basements, crack dryways, mold, erosion, clogs, storm drains, downstream flooding, and more. And that can be found on ReduceFlooding.com while you never want to buy a home built over wetlands. So by approving this, what are you all doing? We're making a developer rich. That's it. At the end of the day, he doesn't hear. We need to get so much money. He signs off. Guess what? Too bad. But there's all kinds of things. Things have to be approved to the FDEP for Department of Environmental Protection. So Mr. Clayton, I mean are you familiar with those statutes? So if you're familiar with unlawful dredging, I'm sorry. Unlawful dredging would mean that it would be done unlawfully. That would be first and foremost. I'd have to review the statutory criteria for each section that you're identifying. But in order to come through with any type of project which we are not talking about a project we are talking about a zoning designation which is setting an envelope for a property owner not a developer I will remind you I think that is inherently biased to refer to anyone as or categorize any type of property owner in the state of Florida property owners have constitutional protectors I am not either pro or not are against any type of progress within the City of Lake Alford or any jurisdiction that I represent. But I can tell you that property owners have constitutionally protected rights. As a property owner, if they have come in and they requested or submitted an application for something, whether it be a zoning designation or a future land use, they have a right to do that. If it is consistent with our regulatory scheme, if it is consistent with applicable state law. I can tell you if we're going down the rabbit hole and we're looking at future what might be done on the property in the future which should not be something that we base our decision on, it would have to be done in accordance with applicable law and local regulation. So if there were provisions in the Floridaues that would prevent, or otherwise preempt, the local authority from authorizing some type of project to move forward, it would therefore override any local regulation that we would have and it would prevent that type of project. As to whatever publications we're just previously mentioned, I'm sure there are a number of them. They need to be presented formally to the Commission for Review. There is going to be a second reading that there's something that the audience or the property owners would like the Commission to consider as far as competent substantial evidence as to why any type of zoning designation that is being requested by the applicant would not be consistent or compatible. Then please provide that to the City Clerk in a timely manner. So that way it can be distributed to the commission and it can be considered and we can deem that confidence of St. 11 is something that you rely on in making any future decision. But that being said, I'm hoping that I at least somewhat answered your questions, but I will have to look at Section 403. When I heard unlawful, the first thing that's going to make me, it's going to key me in there is what would be considered a lawful dredging or activity within that protected area? I know this is not a wetland area. This is considered a quick-knit farm road city manager, but this is not considered a wetland area. Yeah, this again, 100 and we got a 240 acre project. We got a 196 acres going into conservation because it's wetland. So the area, the area in question that we're focusing on is the 43 acres and residential. That's all upland area. So our code already provides for that, you know, the area that develops into wetland, that's all upland area. So our code already provides for that, you know, the area about developing a wetland, that's not what's happening. And actually our code is actually more restrictive because in other jurisdictions or in other areas outside of the Greenswomp, you could actually go in and take the wetland, fill it in. You know, oh no, I don't want that there. I'm going to fill in 10 acres of wetland and then I'll compensate it elsewhere, either on-site or into the vicinity. So we don't even allow that in the code. The only context that's allowed for is for roads and critical utilities. And those are very small, related to someone coming in and saying, oh, I'm going to fill in 10 acres of wetland and then give it somewhere else because you know either through a credit bank or something else we don't allow any of that. So our codes are actually very restrictive in how we cap them. Thank you. So I'm couch 315WGTO to our road. If I understand correctly what the city attorney had said, I was hoping that maybe you guys can look at this, this map that you've provided us. And I don't see anything on there that has 3.5 houses per acre. So wouldn't that go to in that area that's not what is normal? Therefore you can consider to say no because of that. So you've got, see that's zone VRN. You've got gum lake. This is part of the zoning in question, so that corner, you've got areas here. It's not shown on this map, but the area to, that's part of the lake, lowery development, and that's all VRN2. So you've got... But I don't see any homes there that- I don't see three homes per acre. It's zoning. It's- that hasn't been constructed yet. It's zoning that though. But that can't be taken into consideration that at this time, even though those things aren't zones, that's not the way the area is. And again, the commission has to balance it out. It's a quasi-judicial, which means basically like you're sitting here as a judge, like impartial, unemotional, and kind of just applying the objective criteria of everything. Now, it's a little bit different because it's pocketed, but at the same time, you know, you've that staff made the recommendation that we made because of the surrounding land uses and just by nature of the city itself. Like we rural areas stay, typically stay in the county. Cities do not actively annex in order to assign rural designations. That what we would do, we would see rural designations as like a transitional zoning category. And so the green swamp already has protections in that no matter what the zoning category is, even if they have VRN, it's still one unit per ten acres until they get water and sewer. There was a comment made earlier that, oh you guys are doing a good job protecting the environment because I don't see any septic tanks being installed. So our code already contemplates that. Anyone, if you wanted to put a septic tank in on the cities, when you're in the city and in the city zoning category, you would get one unit per ten acres, no matter what the zoning is. So you could zone at the RN and say okay you can get four units per acre but that's conditioned on the fact that you've got accessible water and sewer infrastructure in order to do that. So I just wanted to clarify that to the commission you know there is a rural zoning designation that's not split spend requested and that's not typically what the city does and we've got the protection already because of that sewer and water one unit per ten acre provision. And the only other thing that I'd like to address is, as Brent, I can empathize with the fact that when you went on your last vote, a special like you really didn't have a choice but to go ahead with it because it had a year ago this was approved. But a year ago we didn't know about this. So we would have been here had we known. I can guarantee that. So things have changed and there is a difference. The circumstances this year as opposed to last year. And I'm sorry for the developer or whoever didn't properly do their paperwork, but that is giving us the opportunity to speak with you tonight about this. And I think that that can be taken into consideration if you're gonna change your mind. And I don't think you should feel like your hands are tied. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. If this property had stayed in the county, what could they have done? I'm not that familiar with the county. They have pulled county. They were currently pulled county agricultural residential girl. They are, I'm guessing guessing it would probably have a lower zoning or lower density than what they got which but that makes sense though because there has to be an incentive to zone into the city or you wouldn't do it and so again that's why county tends to be rural and then when you come into the city it's for additional services density and things like that that the county can't provide because the county doesn't have the utilities and the level of service in order to provide for that. So as I've always said, cities are in the business of providing services. That's if you were to drill down what a city is, we provide services. Water, sewer, trash, fire police. That's really all that we're here for. And so within that context, who needs water sewer, fire police, residences, businesses, things like that, things that tend to be of higher density and higher intensity. So it's actually counter that we don't really do rural. That's what the counties for. So when you annex in you've already kind of made the decision that we don't want that anymore and that's why now at the same time, Mr. Greens want so we don't say, hey, bill 24 units per acre or 12 units per acre or like those monstrosities that they're building down in Posner Park, you know, they're not going to come in and put five story apartment buildings, you know, down the itiner. So we've already kind of like effectively done our job in the sense of the commissions already limited it, with the four units per acre, with all of the standards that you put forward, open space, requirements on the development, et cetera, et cetera. So that's kind of the long and the short of it. Okay. So that's kind of the long on the short of it. David Lewis, one of nine WGTO Tower Room. I just would like one of my neighbors mentioned this earlier was all I keep hearing I put these developed plans hard. We'll get an engineer and we'll be in a range of we corrected. They're going to get a professional or they can develop. Now I'm thinking we have what's been there and that's never been able to be fixed since I've been as of 2018. It's like you would think before you start giving approval for all these developments. Like you said TV these lines I mean we came and fixed something, so many two people get in a hot tub so okay try 10 people in hot tub and water even come out. And right now it's just how that's what's happening to us. We're setting this bathtub and you're going to just dump all these people in there and we're just going to have media here fix it later. We came and fixed what's there now. And we live there, you know what I mean? And that's what I just would like for people to see because it's just I get told I'm the one house, I'm on the lake and I have pond in my front yard. I went to the meeting with Pope County. I was frustrated because I have pond overflowing, coming to the eve of my house. I said, I'll fill pond in. You can't fill my pond in. Look at the look at look at look at that they have a flood I have a flood zone my front of my house Flood zone is back in my house my wife said let's flood in water's come up to us It's private property not on gun Lake in my yard I got to like couldn't fill in but now you can go here and fill in what you want But I can't I have a body water 20 feet from my front and I lived on the link. Because if the nurse says 86, they told me before that, Mr. Reed, I know I haven't gone there a long time. And it's just funny how I hear I can't do this to protect my house. But then you can go and fill in what you need to fill in. But the drainage is a problem. And you thank him who fixed it. The drainage before you just started adding people to your bathtub. So I have to. Okay. Okay. Now, the last layer to this on staff side is not specific to this, but just in general, is that the poll county is going through a stormwater study, you know, countywide. The last master plan that the city hasn't done because we're waiting for the results of the county study is a stormwater master plan. So that's we've done master plans for you know water sewer or transportation everything else you know the stormwater master plan will help us identify those issues as well as you know impact fees, fees, and then also projects, and then also standards as we talked about to improve those. Okay. Seeing that there's no other public comment being asked to be given, we're going to turn it over to commission comments, please. Okay. I'd like to entertain a motion. Make a motion to approve ordinance 154524, Bert Rainson. rate. Motion is our second. We have a second. Second motion. Okay, we have a first and second. All in paper say aye. Can we please have a little call? Sure. May I have a follow? Yes. Vice Mayor Daley? No. Commissioner Eden? Yes. Commissioner Derman? Yes. Okay. Motion is carried. Thanks again everybody for coming. Okay. Next items, 5 and 6. Both items will be read in separate motions for each item. Resolution 22-24 in safe CCNA piggyback authorization. That's an U-SF. Resolution number 22-24. A resolution of the City Commission of the City of Lake Alford, Florida relating to the procurement of professional engineering consulting services for Browns fields, assessment and revolving loan fund programs, adopting factual findings regarding the usage of the CCNA competitive selection process of the city of Clearwater, Florida, affirming the selection of NSAP Inc. as the first entity to engage in competitive negotiation pursuant to the CCNA, approving the piggybacking of the agreement between the city of Clearwater, Florida and NS Safe Inc. and that first amendment to the agreement for professional engineering consulting services for general engineering projects within Safe Inc. pertaining to consulting engineering services for Browns, Brownfields, assessment and revolving loan fund programs and authorizing the city manager to execute on behalf of the city of Lake Alfred all of the agreements with NSA ink approved herein including but not limited to any agreements that are determined necessary by the city manager relating there to providing for complex providing for separability providing for the administrative correction of scriveners errors and providing for effective date. Okay. Thank you. Now the city manager to present the analysis please. Thank you, Ms. Mayor. NSAEP was selected through competitive procurement and compliance with statutory requirements or the CCNA by the City of Clearwater and an agreement signed in 2020. City of Lake Alfred's purchasing policy allows us to pick you back off of other governmental agencies, bids or agreements that were competitively procured. Resolution 22-24 authorizes the city to use the city of clear water CCNA process. The city of Lake Alfre is proposing to have NSA implement the sampling and analysis plan or the SAP for growers fertilizer to be a various site assessment report, also known as an SAR. You can tell we're dealing with federal government stuff because there's a ton of acronyms. The former growers fertilizer brownfield site includes the seven parcels acquired by the city of Lake Alfred. The site assessment will evaluate identify and delineate impacts to environmental media and prepare a site assessment report summarizing the field activities and associated testing results to be performed at the subject property in accordance with Florida statutes or Florida administrative code. The proposed scope of services consists of implemented FDEP approved SAP, developed to accomplish the horizontal and vertical extent of chemical impacts identified in soil and groundwater during the July, 2023 environmental investigations at the main plant area to delineate impacts to environmental media. The city attended a grant funding through the Central Florida Regional Planning Council, but the bid for state funding this year was denied rather than wait for a future round. Staff was recommending that we proceed with the SAP and SAR so that we can apply for the bigger dollars related to the state and federal clean-up grants that total expense may be into the millions. Since a growers-fertilizer property is related to the expansion of Lions Park, the vast majority of the expense associated with the city's portion of the cleanup can be attributed to park impact fees. Additionally, while the city did not receive a grant for the expense of the SAP, we are still eligible to receive a voluntary cleanup tax credit for 50% of the initial expense, and additional 25% once the cleanup is complete for a total of 75%. We then, because we don't pay taxes, we've got to broker those credits and so we receive about 90 cents on the dollar. So we would get, you know, basically 90% of the 67.5%. So we're getting about a 67.5% reimbursement grant through the tax credit program. So this expense is the total expense is 289,000. See, figure 195,000 is coming back to us and are out of pocket. And the grant scheme of things will be close to the 94,000. Staff recommendation on this item is to approve resolution 22-24 for authorizing the City of Lake Alford to utilize the City of Clear Waters CCNA process and then also to approve task order number one to end safe to implement a sampling and analysis plan in the amount of $289,660. And just for those of you who forgot or we did the walking tour through growers fertilizer and so just some of the pictures there on the on the inside of the old plant You know if anyone wants to film a horror movie in there before we tear it down You know the yeah If not for the environmental Contamination and the asbestos we might be able to pull that one off i think in the fifties we would have been able to pull that off no problem it could be an episode of criminal minds at the place where they would hide people absolutely just got a day here in that plane was an operation that said you know what more than like you know four years ago it's amazing just got the level of of erosion and decay just from the materials that are in there. We knew this was going to be a marathon and not a sprint. This is one of the legs here. The bigger grants going forward, they're pretty aggressive and kind of like percentage. This may be our highest percentage cost out of pocket. You know, we would go after aggressive federal and state grants, you know, to really try to fund, you know, 90 plus percent of whatever the fees would be here on out in order to remediate. Staff will be happy to answer any questions. Okay, thank you. Again, this being public meeting, we'd like to invite you to have any comments you might have. Seeing none, thank you. We're done. We're done. We're done. We're done. That will be open for City Commission comments. Mr. Manager, what was the total amount? It is 200 and... How you got into the resolution first, but the amount on the bid for the task orders 289,660. So that is to do the full assessment for everything. So when you do like a phase one phase two environmental that just phase one determines the history phase two determines the presence of contamination. This is kind of like the horizontal and the vertical. This is everything. This is what we're doing. Here's the game plan. Here's what we're proposing. So that's why there's the price tag associated with it. It's the full action plan on how we're gonna tackle this and we submit that to the state. I just took a quick question. So once there's findings and there's an issue with it, how does that work? Is it the same? 90 percent? Does count we get and clean it up? Or is there a different grant so we can get? There's different grants. So we're always going to be eligible for the voluntary tax credit, you know, but which is a good program through the brown fields, which we have on this, but the grants that we're going to be going after will usually be like either a when we get a grant, we can still go after the voluntary tax credit as if it was our dollars. So we can kind of double up on the program to take a lot of the sting out of it. Okay, that's what I was wondering. I was wondering, okay, well, if it's two, you know, basically 290, how much more attention to the future, but what you're saying is this is the majority of it. We didn't want to get frozen at the starting blocks because we're going after it would have been nice if the CRPC had gotten that grant and we had gotten grant funding in addition to the tax credit. But I didn't want to be paralyzed and then go after the stuck in limbo go let's go again for the 300,000 when we need to be going after the three million. Yeah, so I didn't want to get stuck at the starting block. So we'll sell fun this, use the voluntary tax credit, but then that way we can get in positions that start throwing darts at the bigger dollars. Don't you get clits in a new broom and it's in the custom money or something like that? Or dustpan, these are the go-ins that we've created all up? That's right, you should access it. I don't think it will be safer for the kids to do any time you had done. So maybe after we clean it up. I really appreciate the effort of staff to go for the tax credits and the grants and, you know, being able to get the most efficient use of the money. So I would make a motion to approve resolution 22-24 and safe gruelist fertilizers assessment to create a sampling plan for $2,660. Second. Okay, we have a motion in a second. All in favor say aye. Opposed? Emotions carried. Now the in safe task order, we do that one separately. We've already heard every key. Yes, if we did the resolution, same analysis, just staff recommendations or the committee does. Open and close the floor to... Oh my goodness. That door is shut. Okay. Anybody like to make any comments? Okay. Seeing then. The city commission comments please. Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion that we approve. In safe test, we'll have number one. We'll refer to our side assessment. Not to exceed the amount of 289,660. Second. Okay, we have a motion and a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, the motion is carried. Aubrey, you made it. Congratulations. She's got it. She's got it. Okay. Yeah, I think it's running up in the front. It's going to be quick. How do they do it? Motion. We had to make up for the two light mediums that we have in the last one. Okay. Item number seven, budget revenue city manager. Would you like to present your analysis? I would. I will have an abridged session here. I'm going to time myself at a curiosity. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I proposed revenue section for the upcoming fiscal year 24 or 25 budget. Has been prepared using the previously approved second year budget proposed changes to revenue have been highlighted or based on experience from the current previous fiscal years or anticipated changes based on future projections. If approved the proposed revenue sections will be included in the final budget which will be considered to public hearings in September along with any changes of the commission may determine or that may otherwise be necessary based on updated expenditure or revenue projections. Staff recommendation on this item, so approve a draft revenue section to be included in the fiscal year 2425 budget and let me just kind of walk us through right quick. So revenue, I know it's intimidating because it's a budget presentation and we've had a long meaning but revenue is actually, it's the most important part but it's actually the simplest and easiest. So based on all of the growth that we've had and then also kind of the inflationary impacts, you can see most of our budget line items are going to be in the green. So you can see abalorums going from 2.7 to 3.7, insurance proceeds going up, electric service tax. So based on not only on utility bills, but also the number of customers. So those would anticipate those would continue to go up as we have growth and just the overall inflation effects. Water service tax, same thing on the water side. You can see not a lot of demand on the protein. Local communications tax tied to cellular communication service that consistently gone up. So just for perspective 2 on Abelmore 1.8 2.1 3.7 and you can just see kind of the revenue growth across all the categories. Half-sent sales tax 5.30 5.45 this year we budgeted 5.. You can see we're well above target there and the state gave us a number of 561,000. So all of those revenues are heading in the right direction. We need it to offset all of the increased expenses that you saw in the previous budget presentations as well as capital. Remittance fee, that's tied to... That one's gone up. That's tied to the land you sawed. So because we've got a lot of activity there, building permits. So you can see here, 504,000, 1.5 million, we're at 1.6 million here to date. And then we budgeted. We don't budget what the anticipated revenue is. We budget what the department revenue is we budget what the department's going to cost to run so that actually goes back to the previous action item that we had a couple meetings ago with the permit fees to reduce those and then Commissioner Eden you were the one that commented upon that revenue or that policy where we rebate or reduce fees that's where that would come into play if we if collect so many reserves, we would then provide a discount. But that's good news for us. That's going to allow us to do the bank renovation across the street. Franchise fees, electric, again similar growth-related number. But 482, two years ago, 582, we budgeted 500. We're almost, we're kind of right in line with where we needed to be. And then you can see increase there to 580,591,000 for both years. Charges for services, again not really tied to a gross of not a whole lot of changes here. You can see plat and site plan reviews. That's gone up a lot, but I don't want to budget for those dollars because I don't want to count on them in the future because eventually these flats and the development will taper off. And I don't want to budget 150,000 and then have it get cut in half. And then, oh, sorry, Emily, you know, this two-heart people we were going to hire. On second thought, we can't do it, you know, because, you know, the plat and the site review didn't pan out. So, it's just a budgeting thing, you don't really plan for that. So, if we under budget and we overcollect that money just rolls into the bank into reserves, which is where it should go anyways. Some of the Wreck program, you can see that number has kind of, I'll have to evaluate that because our revenue has gone down over time, although we're looking at fees now, so I'll kind of dial in on that into the final hearing, but small numbers relative to everything else. Intergovernmental, so these are state-reported revenues, and so these have actually gone down, which is interesting. So you can see 293 that year before 359,000 was budgeted and that number comes directly from the state. They give us these numbers and so sliding back there to 304 and then the 8th sent motor tax so gas related that one dropped down to. So we were at 92,000 and last year now they're telling us 67,000. So actually a reduction in funding their interesting take and everything else being green, something that will need to keep an eye on. Amber, I don't know if the state changed their formula allocation or I don't know if we... They give us the number but interesting that we actually got a reduction with all the growth at the states to see recently. Let's see here. Grant work said just grants that we've got program there and we're anticipating SRO supplements. These is the revenue that we receive from the schools to fund SRO services. And then our library cooperative number library staff does a good job. That's all based on circulation. So that number is pretty consistent. 59, 61. We actually are up this year, which is good. We'll keep an eye on that. We might need to increase it slightly, but all in all consistent with previous years, but good to see the bump there and the funding. Sanitation, so this one's gone up again. This one's tied to growth, 623, 680. We budgeted 660. You can see we're already at 95 percent when we should be at 83. So increase there to 720 to account for that. You can see recycling. We've dropped this revenue to zero and anticipation of the action coming to the commission in September. Now if you all don't approve it and we keep recycling then I would plug that number back in. But that's kind of an anticipation of that. We've also then zeroed out the expense side on the budget tied to recycling as well. So that's kind of why you're seeing that zeroed out. Fuel adjustment fee, you know, that just tracks with gasoline and a number of customers and then late fees for garbage. You can see that's going up over time. But again, as we have more customers, there will be more relative late fees. How is the lack of recycling going to affect what it costs us to pick up regular garbage? So not by too much because the tonnage of the recycling is less, you know, it doesn't weigh as much as the other stuff now. It may take up space, but we've accounted for that. So we'll, we get back the 50% of our capacity And it's in the report that will be a part of the action item. I think we're anticipating like a 30%. We won't save 50%. So even though we're cutting our routes in half, we'll probably save. What did you think John was at 30% or did he cut? He went up. He went up. OK. Yeah, he went up. So the residents will stop paying the recycling fee but the regular garbage fee will stay the same. Well, so the thought there was and what I proposed was we actually buy down the rate by a dollar an hour so they wouldn't pay the recycling fee and then we would also reduce the base rate by an additional dollar and then that way way, you know, some of the savings, I think that would be like a $3, or almost a $4 reduction, total for the bill. So that way it's not just the city. Now, in Auburndale, drop theirs, they didn't make any changes. They just dropped off the recycling fee and kept sanitation where it was. I'm proposing that we reinvest some of that cost savings back into the residents to reduce their base bill. And then the narrative too, you'll see it in the report if we were to keep recycling, because we're losing that money now on recycling. If we wanted to keep it, we probably need to go up $2 a month in order to justify keeping the recycling expense. So it's probably a five, six dollar swing, if you factor in where we would need to go to to keep it versus where we're gonna go with eliminating it. But to answer your question, Vice-Morah Daylates, about a $3.68 reduction in the bill is what staff's looking at. And Auburndale has a place near their utility department to collect dumpsters full for cardboard and plastics. Is that something we can entertain or we can give the directions to get there? I think for the time being we would probably direct them over there as we look at different facilities and expansion and the like. I think and especially as we get more residents in the area I think having a similar facility that Auburn Hill has like with the dedicated recycling, I think that makes sense. We don't really have a good spot for it right at this time, but that is something that we can identify as we go. We're going through a facility master plan right now, and so we can have them try to identify where a good area would be for that. I think that's a fair ask. Absolutely. Okay. School just that sanitation interest. That's gone up just as a result of interest rates. I'm going to budget this for the time being. I could have gone even higher but fully anticipating the Federal Reserve to start cutting back on interest rates. So I don't want to lever that one up to the hill only then have to reduce it. Although we've got money, we've got dollars and cents going into reserves in both the general fund and the enterprise fund, so I'm less worried about volatility in this line item because that amount of money and more is going into the bank to bolster reserves. Rental's Highlands, a small reduction there based upon experience. Macchi preserve, you can see where we've recovered 25,000 on a rental two years ago. We were still kind of post-COVID or right after, ramped up to 32,000. We budgeted 25, we're at 91%, 30,000 is probably the good number there. Just suggesting good utilization of the facility. Rental just on the tower, you can see, where that's 112, 105, we budgeted $90,000, probably the better number. Okay, moving, so that's miscellaneous. These are all small line items. You can see 53,000 total for all of it. So not a whole lot there. The donations. My friends at the library, they, I got one, I got one, I got Larry, I read Mr. Parsons, he hung out, said the band, that, it was $129,289. That's exactly where that would show up in the budget. So we appreciate that contribution. Insurance proceeds, and unfortunately you don't want too many of those. That means you're making claims that we did have a total vehicle in other things there. So that's where that would pop up. And then, Ridgely and Kerrio were in a bull budget for that. That's more of a plug for the following year budget. Transfers, interfund transfer. That's what we, that's a dividend we pay from enterprise fund into the general fund. Cost allocation, that's there from enterprise to general fund. The building department reserves, so that number will go in. That's when we take funding out in order to utilize it for projects. And then we've got CRA cost allocation and the self-asset one-water allocation. And then the debt service payment, the money that we loaned, the enterprise fund that's paying back. That's a $301,000 payment every year for the next several years. Alright, so that's it on General Fund on utilities. We've got, you can see the water revenues, jumping up there, irrigation revenue up, sewer revenue also increasing water meter fee. That's a growth indicator, you know, for us. Ladies and gentlemen, so you can see there we budgeted 300,000 last year we spent so that you can tell growth just off of that line item. So 109,411 we budgeted 300. We've collected 763,000 year-to- today. So that's all tied to new water meters that go to satisfy the new growth. This is kind of an offset because there's revenue, but then there's also an expenditure. So we might clear like 10, 15% over the expense. So that's not profit. That's just gross revenue. We might have had a $650,000 on the expense side. It's just an indicator. So we're revenue. You can see that up. That's going up consistent with growth and just the rate schedules that we've adopted. Interest also high. You can see that number and again having reserves having impact fees. We've collected $210,000 in interest, budgeting 250, a lot of that's going into reserves. And then, so that's it on Enterprise Fund. This is a new fund that we've created. So Amber and I got to work out the details. So one of the auditors comments is we have to have a separate fund for restricted funds. And so this is going to be a combination of general and water and sewer So you're going to see the revenues when we bring in restricted dollars whether it's parks police fire Transportation water sewer permit any restricted fee It's going to end up in this sheet almost like we have like for the CRA it's going to be a standalone sheet I put debt service in here for now debt services and technically restricted, so I may need to pull that out and put it in enterprise. I need some feedback from the auditor, but we'll clean that up going into hearing. And that 17 million would be tied to the water plants. Well, debt, temporary debt, temporary debt, vice-mayor daily. So we get principle forgiveness on that amount. And that's not a cumulative number. That's just for that specific year. That's just for that year, 2425. And then 2526. That's all of the restricted funds that we're planning on using. You can see the lion's share of it's coming for that water plant project. Which we got, well, is it 60% principle for giving this on? So we'll spend it and then we get the money back and all of this has been accounted for in impact fees. So even though it's debt, you know, most of it's tied to growth and so that's why we up those impact fees at the right time so that development will pay for itself or at least as much as we can allocate to. What do we get TV percent back on? That's for the wastewater design, which again, I scot sent me that. I'm still kind of waiting to see if to believe it, you know, type of thing. But we got 80 percent on the design for the wastewater, which... It was 50. Yeah, 50. So that's what we kind of anticipated, but they got an 80%er on it. Now the real trick will be if we can lock that down for the construction costs. That's the real win. I don't know if that'll happen, but we'll see what, we'll see if our luck holds there, because that would be, that would be massive. You know, 80% on 30 million, you know, that adds up. Well, yeah, right, we locked in at the 80, right? Run it all the way through. But 80%, what's the design, John? Like 3 million? Yeah, so that, you know, again, that's not a small chunk of change either. We just saved 2.4 million, potentially, on that. OK, so that's restricted. Now we go into the CRA. So good year for the CRA. You can see we jumped up from 224 to 266. And the cities are the county contribution. And then on the city side went up from 244 to 270. That's reserved, but you can see right there. We're getting about 540, 550,000 now in our CRA annually. So that's kind of a cool thing. I remember, you know, not many years ago, yeah, it's like 60 grand, you know. How much you thought every year, maybe another 60,000? Yeah, so we've got a ton of projects. That gives us a lot of room to work with on projects and grants and everything else. So pretty neat. And then stormwater, it just kind of hanging out. There's not a whole lot of changes there, although we did get growth. So, you know, 72 last year, we budgeted 78. That's probably a good number. The stormwater reserve, you know, we've got a number there, an anticipation of that stormwater master plan. You know, so that is kind of on the docket, you know, for us to do all the will go after grant funding, you know, to see if we can help offset that. So that is the revenue section of the budget. Staff will be happy to answer any questions, but the recommendation is to approve the draft revenue section to be included in the fiscal year 2425 budget, which is when we meet back in September, we'll be in budget hearings and so you'll see the total assembled budget. But we are balanced and we were able to fund all the capitol on all the positions that we had committed to and prior presentations that were in good shape. I'll say it every single time he presents it. I remember drafting the CRA and bringing all that together. Never did I think that we would sit here and discuss having over $500,000 in CRA funds to reinvest in the community in one way, shape, or form. So hats off to you, Ryan, great work. And I'm going to say that every single time it come up. I appreciate the commission supporting it all those years ago. You know that wasn't always an automatic. There was hesitation. You know they're about robbing from the general fund and you still got a fund everything else and so... I think we... Why would we not work with you? You know, for the community and our areas, to do all the county duties. I think we That everywhere else that so that that's it, you know you get the counties who those do have your you know Pest that before me. Well again, I appreciate the commission support all these in the county commission work with us as well Yeah, we locked in at the right time Okay Yeah, we locked in at the right time. Yep. What's going on? OK. Public meeting is anybody have any comments they would like to make? OK, thank you. And now city commission comments. This may or like to make a motion that we approve the budget revenue concept draft. Second. Okay. Motion and a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion is carried. And now we have two citizens left. They're all citizens. They live here. That's on the expense side where we were talking about revenue today. It's already there, Okay, so. Commissioner, questions and comments. Commissioner Eden starts off. Thank you, and I'll keep it short. As always, I want to thank both Chiefs and all of our first responders. Thank you for all the great job you get to. Thank you all the staff. That's not was a long one. Not only comment would be, I don't know, I'd like us to figure out. A lot of the discussion tonight was around drainage. So if it's whether it's us with mud, whoever is in charge of the general area you guys are talking about that South of Gun Lake and you know. We want to make sure it's done quick. We don't want to fix it this way. So then it goes to left. And now you're just having a whole other different group of homeowners in here, you know, upset. So if we can look into that, I mean, if we have to put a piece of skin in it to get it done, I don't mind personally passing it like to see numbers first, obviously, but if we can look into that because, you know, a long time ago, there was maybe by the high school, I know, I remember simple, there's a little bit of a member of the top of my map, you know, like on the Creek Road area. Seven more. So that might fix this issue too. I don't know if they, you know, I know that was also in the county. So it seems like we're getting stuck with a lot of the county stuff, but it is our city at the end to the commission. There's also up in, um, moving up to, uh, by cash road where there was flooding, um, from Lake of Lake Alfred, going on to homeowners that are in the county. Yeah. And I actually went up there and looked at it. It was a canal of some sort that was not draining properly and flooding. There we've had issues with drainage on Lake Alfred, other lakes, and there is a salient point there. They did put in a pretty small culvert, but it was all designed and engineered and permitted. And so that's where it's like, we gotta look back to our own standards and just try to beef them up where we can, especially if there's gonna be, if the road intersects an area where a wetland traverses, you know, maybe we can look at enhanced standards to try to mitigate, you know, against those concerns. Thank you, Ms. Bowling. Okay. Vice President Bailey. Just wanted to thank Linda in particular for her organization of our conference transportation and you know taking care of all the reservations and all that. I know that's not a simple task. It's hard to do that for one person much less for all of us. So just want to throw out a big thanks to Linda and her help taking care of us. So that's all I have. Thank you. You know, that tells about the train. The train was fabulous. I love the train. You know? Well, I'm always going to come up. I'm always running around promoting. This one and what are we talking about? We took the Amtrak. Jack and I took the Amtrak down to the conference. It was $35 and it took less time than Auburn Dill to take the Bright Line because they had a drive and I want to have some traffic to get to the airport to take the Bright Line, cost him $89 piece and we got there quicker than they did. Hollywood, Florida. It was wonderful. The train was fabulous. It was no problem at all. I mean, it was like being on an airplane but where you could stretch out and have big wide aisles and I could go on and on. But I always promote public transportation. And it's relaxed. Yeah, and there was an internet. And there's a thing. Then when we got to, okay, we didn't have to pay tolls. That was nothing. Marley was saying, she can tell. Didn't have to, yeah, I'm not gonna pick this up. And we didn't have to pay for parking. Now, other years, the hotel charges were parked in this year. They didn't because they were renovating and all that. But when you add it all up, it's amazing. What public transportation can do if you use it. We're supposed to have a meeting this week with the on-sit citrus connection about our bus stop swinging up a little bit more north of here. There Erin was making an appointment with some of the school and so forth at north to see about you know what that bus route would look like if they if they would get more participation And I wasn't kind of going to that because it's 11 o'clock. So anyway, that's all I have. Thanks. I think that would be possible of feeling in the house tonight. I think I know that we're doing the best. Just to let you know, I had nothing to do with that. I think what we're just about to practice and asking everyone, those things that are the parking lot Okay, I'll make it short. Again, thanks to everybody for staying late tonight. I just after going to this meeting this last week, I don't think there's anything we could have gone to this week that would have prepared for everything we thought to know. And it's kind of like you know drinking out of the firehairs again. But I learned a lot. Not. It's, it's, it's tough. It's tough sometimes to have to make decisions that. Anyway, go away from that. Anyway, go away from that. I was honored again and I, you know, I keep meeting people at these meetings every time that they encourage you and they invigorate you and they stretch you to perform at a different level or in a different perspective of what they need. And at the end of the meeting Saturday night after the dinner and everything we were walking out, the new president of the Florida-Legacy-Dies-Michael Blake and he came up to me and he goes, I have you. Do I have you on my side? I said, yes sir, you absolutely do. And he said, for those that don't know him, he is a gem, a gem of a pretty good, currently he's the mayor of Cocoa. He says, follow me. I follow him and we walk right straight to Casey and he said he's in so Casey opened his phone and he asked me if I would represent on the municipal administration Committee as vice chair next year or this year, the remainder. I'm honored to do it. Again, I learn a lot every time I do it with a boy. Honored is best word I got to say and I just hope I do that right. So, it's a good opportunity, great organization. I'm just proud to be part of it. So, make sure you're doing it. I just want to be sure it's a pleasure and an honor to work with you to be respectful, to understand what we do here as a group. The crowd tonight was awesome and I'm just proud of everybody that came forward and we handled it in the right way. And I feel bad on things, but at the same time, that's what we're all looking for. Decisions. And I'm going to count on it. No, no, it's fine. And regardless of whether we agree with each other or disagree or whatever, we've got a great commission that gets along regardless of, you know, within. And we've got good friends in this county that are hurting right now because their commissions don't get along. And we saw more examples of that this year at the annual meeting than I've ever in I just, you know, we're blessed to have this man and this man and our... Linda, sir. I know I'll thank you also. I know what it was very honored. All the work that was done, you know, it's awesome. Okay, well that sounds like it's time for a gavel. Love 15. We're out of here. Thank you. Yeah. I think like Hamilton, about two minutes, two meetings.