Thank you everybody for attending the May 14 historical landmarks report meeting for the city of New Rochelle and we will open the meeting with the local. Rose Boquamante. Yeah. Lucia Elliott is out. Jim Flumminy out. Keith Gordon is out. Land merchant. Felt his raise, Senior Project Manager. Thank you. Okay, the first item on the agenda is the approval of minutes, which we're going to postpone until the next meeting. So we're going to move right on to the public hearing portion. And the first applicant is the application 2-2025 by Amar Ibrahim, best roofing court for a certificate of appropriateness to remove and replace the roof at 73-foot davening, clock 48, 23 in the R1 historic zone districts. Has been. to remove and replace the roof at 73.000 in clock 840, clock 23, in the R1 historic district, zone districts has been addressed to the Twin Meads. The second application is HLRB3-2025 by tomorrow, Fredericks for a certificate of appropriateness to replace the original slate roof with asphalt shingles at 16 hunter, block 876, block 63, and the R1 historic zone districts. So is that what can hear? I look to the podium. Just as a reminder, when we get to the public comment portion, please don't comment from your seats. Go up to the podium, stay your name, and your address. Hi, my name is Kyle Pregnor. Here is supporting my sister, Cameron, to the offensive presentation here. I do also live in New Yorkshire, as well as New Orleans. Thank you. So there are questions that stated we have this heart slate group. Yet it is replaced with slate group with asphalt shingles. And we plan to bring hatefuls with style in the neighborhood. So every housing block has those same styles and you can go to match neighbor styles and go ahead and drive the house. So pardon the garage that already does have a shingles, a chain has done prior to the research when it became historical district. So chain would help match the house to the garage and also the side side of the house, we're back to everything else, just a style on top of it. The house would be built in 1920, this big bit has historically relevant. The chain would be a bit that we assume the style invented before that, and it would be pretty common in the area at that time. As soon as every other house in the neighborhood on that side of the street, already has that same style. None of them have slate, they all already do have tringles, so little magic would be consistent with the style of the rest of the street. And we're figuring out all the other houses, including one of the, one there left with the solar panels on top also. The drawing of the change is that currently the group is leaking, it isn't even a full replacement. Two different contractors have basic informers that we have to do it quickly that are still water leaking into the house. I'm going to lay any further damage to the house. And the drawing forth between the change from the tachingels from side to this cost and then we'll on top of this fill so match better with the rest of that neighborhood. So just one quick question. So it's how much of the root is leaking? I mean there's a whole root that's leaking, is it a portion of the root? I think it just carbon-py that. It's a couple of different portions, and whenever we're going to the add it, there's a couple of different places. Each of the contractors that we will need to do a full replacement. It sounds moving that job. OK. We're going to open it up for public comment. Does anybody have anything? Do you want to say anything? You can stare in there and he's got any questions that they ask and then you can. I'm not sure I buy the matching the other houses by taking off the. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Elena. Elena here is some how we send in her ad. I'm right up the street. I have two houses next to me with slate houses but there are houses across the street. We have a number of houses in the area with slate roofs, all different kinds. I'm not sure it's taking off the original slate roof. You know the fact that it will match other houses is really legitimate. and reason to take off the same. I don't know a lot about slave roofs and how they are patched. But we do have a number of them still up, so people do still work on slave roofs. So maybe that's what you need. I don't know. So that's my opinion. Okay. I'm just sitting in a timerer, figure it out on the homeowner. Okay. Can we just look at the surface? Go through the room. Go through the room. Almost there. Okay. So yeah, underneath the slate, currently we have wood shingles. We've had two different roofers come to our house and say that all the wood that's underneath the slate is completely rotted and damaged. They say that because they're sleep too and that's nailed in, that water is leaking through all of it. So we've had to have our front elevation. We have a small roof right in the right door that had been entirely replaced. It was leaking through a hole, came through our house into our roof. Like it was moldy and...the actual hole appeared. And we had to patch it and paint it. Thanks. They took a look on the rest of the roof apparently that's the same everywhere else and they basically both hold situations pretty dire and needs to be replaced right away. Everyone else in our neighborhood besides one person across the street who still has sleep has a soul mean, next two doors down, three doors down, 15 doors down, one block over. Other side of Portland, I mean, basically everyone has a shekel. So that's not my experience driving. You walk around my neighborhood every day. Or two houses. I think there's maybe two. There's one castle on Portland and then one across the street. One hundred. One hundred. Okay, thank you. You can't go to the other side of the street. Sorry, I'll go back in. Well, I'm just saying she said there are mine, and there's that structure. Yeah, I would say if there's 30 houses in our neighborhood, three don't have small channels, the band where youer looking at. So, do you have any other, anybody else? Hi, Margaret Chadwick from 95 Hamilton Avenue. I did have experience with slate roof. I was on the board, would be replaced the roof at Wattlet. And it's its workman. I mean, it was over $200,000. And that was not real slate that we put on there. I personally just put a brand new roof on 30 days ago. And I did put asphalt that was what had been there. But I have to agree with her that I don't think, you know, if it was a certain type of home that mandated a slate roof, but I think it's a colonial. And I think that the asphalt would blend as long as you pick a color. But I personally don't think it's a problem because it is an audit, especially, I think, on that type of home, but that's just my opinion. Thank you. Does anybody else? So if there's no further public comment, I'm going to close that portion out. Does anyone know the board? Any other questions? Yeah, I have some questions. I know the house next door to mine on the apartment. They are doing a roof and they are planning to do sleep. Is there a sample of what looks like sleep that has, is it like a compositor's own plan? Maybe it was just something good. Yeah, but some alternative to work. I mean, I don't know. I don't know how many. I mean, the woman or something that they wanted. I brought only the composites of what my refer suggested that we do so I have you know I can pass that out I do have what we're planning on doing which also again matches our garage. Well I'm not taking the look. I can show you. Yeah well she has just to make sure you're clear to which she has a sample location.'s what she has to have. That's right. Okay, then I'm right. Okay. So, have you looked into potentially any sleep-looking roof shingles or no? I have not looked at sleep-looking because the roofers that I've spoken to haven't suggested that. So one refer told me kind of what that woman's at over, which is that you're looking at, you know, $200,000. For that in group. For a new slavery. Right. Or at least $100,000. She said it's going to be significantly significantly more expensive. And then the other group of came also said the same thing. But of course, it's a huge cost difference. He said there are issues with slate groups. Again, which is what we're dealing with now. You're hammering in the nails, the water leaks through the nails, which is what's happening with ours and we have houses of wool. Underneath the slate is an entire wood, so that's now all rotten industry. We're going to have to lift up everything out of this to replace our roof. and he has actually suggested, see all of your other neighbor's houses? They all have this exact type of shingle. So you want to match the look of the neighborhood. Your garage already has it. This is the color. And so without even knowing any of this, you know, this is the same color as your roof. You like the color. We can do it the same color. And so it makes to me pretty sense that this is the way to go. It's a match the neighborhood Imagine the neighborhood that's really more about keeping the original integrity of this particular structure Right and considering that Asphalt shingles were first made in 1903 they were common by 1911 my house was made in 1923 sounds like Probably is made with asphalt shingles? Yeah, homes were made with asphalt, say all in general. Right, that's what it had. Which shingles, which she said are underneath, and then the slate they put on top. So at the time that the district was nominated and placed on the National Historic Register, it would have had the slate. Probably already had the slate, yeah. This way it was quite old, so I'm sure. No, in the description of the district, when it was created, did this particular house was known for having the slate changed? Then would be also the board now on any questions or comments? So just one comment. So the issue that you're describing may not be a matter of the slate being in all in disrepair but more of the substrate. Is that correct? Well, it's a little bit of both. It's that the slate isn't disrepair currently. I have to remove it, cost price, what I can afford, plus what seems to make more sense anyway. Just see everything seems to be laying for the basketball. Does anybody else have any questions? And we're going with the charcoal color? Yes. Again, I'm also open to... I'm not thinking about the color. I just need a new group. So I've opened to whatever color matches my sleep. I've been told that charcoal is the color that most matches my sleep, so that's what my refer has suggested. Anybody else? So, I'd appreciate the fact that of the situation that you're facing, but there's also the fact that the house has a sleep requirement. I'm curious if they can present a case. I mean, it's difficult, but I'm wondering if they can present a case for hardship, please. The court doesn't have that provision. The process is that this work issues a denial for this application and they would apply for the agmonic hardship. So are we ready to take the vote? Is everybody feel comfortable taking a vote right now? Does anybody want to make a motion? Okay, so I'll make a motion. Okay, so with regards to the application, HORB3-2025 by Tamara Friedrichs, for a certificate of appropriateness to replace their original slate roof with asphalt single shingles at 16 Hunter, like 876, like 63 in the Arlington dash restored zone district. I vote to deny, and does anybody else? I'd like to see something that maybe looks more like slate, but I'm voting against supporting that. I support. So are there any approvals? I approve. What if there's a motion to... most of the time, to the Any any the way of the second? On favor? Hi. Hi. I'm opposed. One opposed. Okay, so it's tonight. But place application for that code allows for heart shape. Okay. Thank you. Thank you with that Kevin and Beneter Okay, so the next application is HLRB 4-2025 by Johnny Woodrow So to get about preparedness a slight plan approval to construct a two-story rear-edition to an existing three-story dwelling construction of a site, patio, and great, and convert it detached from one-story, one-part garage to accessory household storage at the end of the court, while in 829, locked 40 and in ROI, the storage zone districts. Good evening, everyone. My name is John Woodruff, I'm the architect. And I have offices in New Rochelle, New York. And we're here for a hundred and four year old house built in 1885. And I've got some pictures of the existing house just to see. So you can see what is from Elevation. That's our left side elevation. You can see it's a nice enclosed porch here. And we have very lovely style, the Gabrielle roof on the house, houses with shambles. This is the rear of the house. There's a one-story addition back here and then a wood frame deck and a billboard door and this is primarily the area we'll be altering. This is the side of the driveway. So we will be keeping this one story edition and extending it, and then we'll be building a two-carb-a-rodge in this area. This is a shop from the back of the house. Right now there's a circular asphalt driveway here, and this is where we plan to build our edition and our two-carborange. There is an existing orange on the site which we plan to keep. This is a shed playroom structure which is one story structure which we will be removing as part of the work. This is our survey and as you can see we have a very large lot that's 100 by 200. Here's the main house and then we have this large driveway which comes in and turns around and comes back out and our addition is planned in this area. Here is my proposed site plan and this is the the port here, but we've kind of changed direction for this one. And you'll see this is the existing house, and this is that one story structure which I plan to expand, and that will be for the kitchen laundry room. And then we have a breezeway, and then we plan a two-carver-on and a patio on gray. This is the existing garage we keep and then we start this is that playhouse and a small wood deck and a little lead to shed behind the garage that will be renewing as far in the application. This is the first floor plan. Here's the existing house and the front and close front porch. We come in the door here because it's a two-story space. Existing living in dining room. And then we plan to expand and do a larger kitchen. This is a large island. There's a wonderful back staircase here which we're keeping. And then we plan to add a patio room, a laundry room, and then have a little porch which would go out to a barbecue and a patio in the back about 18 by 18, I believe, is our patio. And then this will be a breezeway which is a few steps down from the first floor and then we have an open porch here, put some sorry jumps ahead for something and we have a breezeway which with a covered porch and a brick walkway which brings us out to the garage out to the drive, I'm sorry. And then we'll have our two carparage with a stair up to a loft above which would be a storage loop at this point. And then in back, we have some household storage and with some access to the rear yard. These are some elevations. This is that side elevation. If you remember, we looked at that side of the house with this very beautiful window, and here's our breezeway connection, and then we have our garage here, which would have two garage doors, and then we have again, we have a roof with a cup cupola and we've tried to match the shape of the existing gambler on the house with the new dormers. These will all be wood-shangled. Here's a view from the yard as you can see looking back from that existing garage. This would be the new garage structure and then we plan to put a bay window in the kitchen itself, and then we'd enter the breezeway here. And this is the rear elevation. This shows the back of the addition, which is the left side of the house. And here's our breezeway with some stairs coming down from the kitchen, and this would be where our patio on gray would be. And then this is an entrance back to the garage itself, and there's a window into that storage room, household storage room. These are some three deep perspectives, and you can see this is the existing house. We actually photoshopped this end, so you can get an idea of how to do addition to look in relationship to the existing house. This would be a new bay window here. And then this is that arch covered porch, two garage doors, and then the storage loft above. And we're planning to do some stone veneer here, which would match the house, the existing stone, and we have some samples. Then this would be a whipped grain garage door. This is a view from the opposite side as if I was at the existing garage. John, sorry, just, I'm kind of seeing how it's here, which is to remind the board of the case of public, a lot of stuff you're talking about in this background here, it's not even visible from the street, right? I mean, it's just 100%. Just focus on what's visible from the street. That's all we need to approve. So what do we say from the street? No. No, it's not. You're there. You probably know that. I take that back. So here's a good way to discern that. If you look at, here's the front of the house and here's the porch, you probably would see part of the garage as you were riding this way. So if you drove this way, you'd kind of look across the C see the patio and you would see this. Also, you probably wouldn't catch a view of this at all from this morning, but here's where you really see it. I mean, when this first came in, we, you know, there's a lot of work being done and I would do that. So you could do it. But we didn't sort of grab it for a second, whether or not, you know, that's as far as the threshold of having to come forward because of the actual at the end of the day, the end of the visibility from the street. So, I think we made our decision to bring it to you for your review, but just wanted to make it clear that, you know, a lot of the work that's happening is not, not visible. I just had one quick question. quick question. The structures that are being demolished in the back are those just being done for kind of cleanup or was there any like threshold you're about to buy? They asked zoning and they were very good question. So the city inertia is very specific on how many accessory structures you can have and there's a ratio of the footprint of those so each garage shed is called an accessory and there's a ratio between how the footprint of those in relationship to the house. So we would have to get a variance from the zoning board to exceed that. So for those reasons, we're going to remove them. Plus, there's enough storage now that we have the bigger garage, which you won't need based on those sheds. And at some point, we could always reconsider it too, but at this point, the lean two sheds in their shape. This is just a patio and just a lift, I'm not applying one deck that they go there. So we'll leave the trim back over a moment. So yes, it's a lot of work on the house with the felch and come before the board because it will be viewed from this side here where you can see this portion of the garage here. And that's another deal with the garage itself. We did a landscape plan. Basically, we have some beautiful trees here required by the city to put some trees in based on there in perfectly surface law for every 200 square feet beneath many trees. And we would be doing planting around the house to soften the entrance entrance here, which is really foundation in plantings. We submitted the certificate of appropriateness detail for which I think is great, because the surface of all the items were matching the shambles. We had a sample of the shambles. We planted the stone to the foundation and our patio's brick paper, with using a woodwinded... For all the new windows, jump wind would be a woodwinded one, yes. And that's kind of a coating on the exterior. And that's our application, pro. It's very nice. I mean, it's very nice design. You know, really appreciate that. I've been to for time to design it so that it matches the house, you know, particularly the roof. Not really much. We're going to see from the street the position of it. I mean, I think it's the best location for it. So I just have a quick question. Nothing's going to change with the old garage, right? The old, the, the, I know the use made change, but as far as the look of it. Correct. Yeah, I think I have a photo of that. Yes, I don't, I don't understand. What's up? No. So I don't understand. It was a mistake. Because that you can kind of see from the street if you're going by. So just confirm that. Okay, so any public comment? Thank you. I never did that. Alaina, I'm just a talker. Elena, here's some calorie hydroactyl. Can you see it from the bull of our youth? I mean from nothing like that. From the bull of our youth? Can I just joke past it? Do you mean from the bull of our youth? I keep driving down the bull of our youth. Do you look at that house of a corner? You can see right through. That doesn't matter. You probably see, definitely would see the top of it. You know, the wind of it. Potentially maybe the window. The upper window. Otherwise the body of it. You might catch some of it, but you know, most people like the going, like you have to go like that. People walking me see it, me noticing. But in many ways, you know, it would, it appears to match so well, assuming the roof color is going to be the same and everything else is going to match very closely to what's currently on the house. That's funny, because I approve of people being able to put things, making the house a bigger, because they don't hold any tests. You know, I think it's really good that they can put things in the back. But it's funny, but that house, that the addition doesn't look anything like the house to me. The boobs are like this, but that kind of triangle meat. What would you like it? Oh, this match is perfectly. Go back to this. Well, if you look at the shape, this shape, this shape, which is called the camera. I can see that here. And it's the same as a dormer sphere? I understand. And then if you look at the opposite side, here's the same van roll shape. So maybe it's this one looking at. See this here? Can you see that? That's the other one. Yeah. Because I would think you should look very about that. But that makes me happy to be nice. OK. Thanks. Any other public comment? Any questions from the board? The colors from the new edition would closely match, correct? 100% we have to put these on the roof shingles and the shirtwin-Broom's paint. I think it's something. Yeah. Because the most you might notice if you're looking it would be a color differential and so on. Thank you. It's not going to be right in age, but it's not going to be. I've been a client of Mr. Paul and for 2015. You're close. So we've been working on this house a lot, and he is a carpenter and a furniture builder, and he specifically bought an old house so that he could work on it. And he's really has an attention to detail with all of it that we've done on the house. And we spent a lot of time designing them. We also have an interior designer from, in that case, who's been helping us out with the design. We spent a lot of time making sure it fit. This is not our first design. We went through numerous amounts of design. We also used our 3D to look at the house and the a lot of different ways so we could iron out any imperfections design that we, you know, are uncomfortable with. So it really is nicely sighted and you can purposely pull it back to be out of view. And this also gives him a little more space in the house because when you look at the house itself, it's not a big house. You think it's a big house, but it's really not. Here are the floor plates of the house and you can see a two story entry. It takes up a lot of space. The room tap bay windows in it and the kitchen right now is tiny. It's like a, almost like a 12 by 12 kitchen. So this was all prompted by the kitchen addition and then kind of morphed into a bigger project. But I like it, I think it's really well. I believe we can afford it. Those things. So I just have a question. Sorry, I know you're going to add trees. I mean, why? Yes. Are you taking them down? No. OK. And you're credibly working on it. And there's some beautiful trees on this property right now. There's two Japanese alms. The large Japanese alms, which we put the patio close to it so we can enjoy it. And then there's a smaller one here. So no trees come down because this is a pretty open yard right now. And, um, Okay. As you mentioned, the additional pervade service that the creating product triggers the needs of plants. Yeah, I just got the whole thing right there. Wait, where are we looking at there? That's the whole thing and then the yard, you've got nerve in the back. Right? Yeah, so this is the yard in the back here. The green area is the yard. and here's the Drone for the left wing. The right wing. If you're going to ask a question, you have to go right. I'm going to call area is the art. And here's the Drone of the Library. The Library. If you can ask a question, you have to go right. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. OK, so does anybody else have a board have a question with regards to the site location of the buildings or just anything in general? Any big one, too? Just want to know, we do have a couple of conditions. Because it's also treated site plan of the whole group of these four to 12. So we do have a couple of standard conditions of approval, and I think we need to go through that. They're just kind of oil-play conditions that they comply with the PWD and other city codes. And so along with that, there's two votes that we need at the certificate of appropriateness and cycling. So it's a sentence that we have to bring up any questions with regards to that. Either. Does anybody want to make a motion with regard to the cycling? Let's start with that. Okay, so I'll give you a motion. Okay, so with regard to the cycling portion of the the application of the HLRD 4-2025, for 10 to 4th block B29, lump 40 in the R1 historic zone district, I propose that we approve the site plan. All in favor? Second. Oh, sorry, second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Oh, sorry, second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Anyone want to make a recommendation with regards to the certificate of appropriages for this? I'll leave it. I'd like to make a motion that we approve the certificate of appropriateness for the two story of your audition and the existing three story dwelling, caddo, these way, converted, detached one story, garage, and accessory household storage, ten, the quark, walk eight, two, nine nine walk four in the district of one by second all in favor any pose okay thank you Okay. Give a few industry life. Three, two. First one, trade coverage. I think Central Fund by Woodenburg, we can see you soon. Give a few Let's do The first one straight over For Is that A standard Extension Accenture It's the first extension Yeah I'll make a motion I'll make a motion to approve the extension requests. All favor? Any opposed? The next one, I agree. The next one is referral from the Sony board. I'm not sure if it's a treatment board. It was in the area there. Again, Mr. Woodrow. I don't know. When you sleep. I don't know. So say, area there except the seventh Tyler. I'm not sure if it's a chance to be the material or not. So, as you may know, we get these referrals from the zoning courts. And look for either a positive referral of neutral or negative. I'm sure anyone has any questions or comments? So, specifically, they're going to the zoning ward because it's, I mean, how close are we getting to the line of? Are you on the line? I'm going to turn the board. So this is our site on the Azure Lab Chia. And it's like a double mod, but interestingly enough, the entire house is pushing to this corner. And I'm only about 2.5 feet. And we went to extend the kitchen with one story edition here and then we had a back and when we went to submit to the building apartment they picked up a three-car garage which originally was a long-hardist red dotted line shows what the garage was and so this is a three-car garage that we have to legalize So we're going for the side yard setback for the new addition and we're going for the garage itself. So if you look at this, this is the front of the house. The way it is today, and here's the back, you'll see this air in red. That's our new kitchen addition, which has a nice cathedral nice beautiful ceiling and it's got some really beautiful clear-story windows and a new deck. This is the Barra-Mesh which was built almost 25 years ago. I guess it was a one-car and then they made it into a three-car. This is Ardeno, so we have a tenile for the Zoning Board for three area variances. One is for the kitchen addition, the other is for the garage itself to realize that garage. So we on Taylor who purchased the house back in 2000, had her own paperwork, and in 2000 it said a three-carver watch, so he bought it that way back in 2000. And this was the listing she also, which shows the three-carver watch, which was purchased in 2000. This is some photos of the house, this is the front of the house, and you'll see here and back. That's the garage with the blue side. We'll be coming before the board with the addition. And we also plan to change the side. And because it's time and I have to change some of the side in for the garage. Because the garage with its proximity to the property line needs to be and-rated and I have on a side in which we'll qualify. So we'll be changing some side in on the garage. Here's a better picture from the side. This is the rear of the house right now, which has an existing deck, and that went to the zoning board about 15 years ago once approved. So we're taking that deck down, putting our one-story edition here. This is the side where the deck is a neighbor side, which is a little higher up from the neighbor to the left. I guess the reason that we need the variance here is because if you look, they have this whole large property here. This is Albumar and then right next to it is 95. So I know when they built this house in 1910, there was no 95 there, but for some reason, I think maybe because there's a little bit of rock up here, they pulled the house all the way over on this lot. Or maybe this was built on this lot and this lot wasn't not buildable. We can't figure out why we're so close to this line, but we are, and that's our chip that will take up with the zoning board. But that's why we're open to get a positive recommendation. And then we can go and hold you back to you guys with more architectural plans and. And as far as we know, those houses, I mean, that have come before the board. I did. I didn't see any applications that no comments. John, it's such a question. So it has itself is also a final sign? It's a woman. It's a woman's side. So we're thinking of a party plan. We've talked a couple people now. Party plant goes same type of site. They even have a nice green. It is interesting having a visit with this site a couple of days ago. Much of what you would see, you can't see from the least from the sky. Right. Right. So when you're going in front of the house, and it is you can just barely catch a glimpse of the garage back here. And the same with the addition. You can see a little bit from from habitat. If you slow down a little bit you can look back and see a little in the winter. So where you can? We're having any other questions? I mean, I know it's a little positive work. I don't know. So on the existing garage,'s just going to be a change I think would say, change the colors and also replace the benefit. It would be change in color and I think we'll probably need to add a little more architectural value to that building because it is something we need to do. and some trim more on the when we're starting thinking about how to make a little better. Right. You're saying that the top right level of the garage is bigger. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah. I'm sorry that before? From anyone? It's not open for public comment. Sorry. There you go. If it's a rock on the... And it's a rock on the... I don't think it's a rock. I don't think it's a rock. I think it might just be rock below that made it not a building. No. I'm going to say that I'm not really comfortable giving a positive overall simply because of the fact that you know I had it come before the board when they enlarged it Potentially it would have looked like this and while you can only catch some of it You could still see enough of it And certainly the details of the garage doesn't match the house so my thoughts are that Monic line to give a positive referral. So we could say neutral or what else? So how do we feel about the easy way? How do we feel about filling neutral shore? Or do we want to just reject the board? Tonight? The board? Yeah, the negative. You know, show me the impact more? You should meet and you're not going to see it here. That's the position. Show me the impact. And go back to the zoning board. See what happens and we'll see if you you get a positive focus on the zoning. Yeah, that's true. I think the insurance is terrible. Yeah, the insurance is terrible. Do we have a motion?. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to show you a review of some of them in and some questions and to start to generate some initial feedback on the callable. You said that the board may give any binding feedback or comments unless an application was submitted, but then unless we wanted to divide the opportunity to address some initial response from the board about what that is. So thank you. Thank you. I made it to the next event. Good evening. My name's Charles Roltson. I'm a 225 Hamilton. That's my assistant Benji. I just wanted to, before I paid an architect to do all kinds of stuff, I wanted to run this part. I have to read in my room because I'm sneaking in parts of it where I properly installed and what I've been. I guess she was falling off everything. So I, very, so this is kind of, this is what my house looks like now. That the first trick through was obviously a photo. This is rendering. So the two things I want to do are in close this porch here. I have these two parapet porches on the second floor that are over the porch below. It leaks badly through though. There's some of the structure that's rotted and I've patched it and patched it over the years and it's just, you know, it's a bit of a nightmare. So what I'd like to do is just send the roof line and then put glass on three sides. And then the other thing I'd like to do on both sides. On both sides, yes. Keep the... So I also, you know, enough to look like now, I sketched it out here. Excuse me, I'm not a... I mean, it's not that good. Well, this part I had, this is... So it was last, it's on the... That's what you're saying. No, the glasses would be up. So the porch is out there. The other thing is that the original railings are gone. The original railings were only 27 of this is high. So code requires that I put back a, either a 36 or maybe even a-wimps railing, which then would look completely inappropriate because these are all, you know, the railing of lower quartz is only 27 inches high. So, you know, it would just completely change the look. But by doing this, you know, there are a lot of porches in these little houses that have been enclosed. So that's what I want to do. And then add a dormer here on the attic to give me some more space and some ventilation up there. There's another little, so that's sort of better. The idea is to put, basically from a roof line up to the ceiling, case number, those, making the fall, through like a 3-season room. So this is the porch I. You know, that's the whole, that's the whole block. That's the only thing locked really in the original railing. But it gives us the height of where it was. That's how I determined it was, you know, just 27 inches up. So, you know, basically extend this out and then close this. And as you can see, you know, I haven't been able to finish, I had to rebuild all the structure of the porch a few years back because in it all rotted through. It literally the only thing holding it out was the facial work. So we did all that a few years ago, but I had to stop replacing the ceiling because I'm still getting all that water coming through from the porch above. Basically that's the driver behind us. And then this is a rough idea of what it would look like afterwards. So this isn't next, the shed dormer that's copied from the rest of the household of the third floor. So before I went and hired an architect and all that, I just kind of wanted to get a rough idea of, obviously, not an approval or anything, but just a rough idea, for which way you guys know how you all talk about it. And then lastly, since I'm doing a whole proposal anyway, I'd like to rebuild the garage that was taken out by a tree back in 2001 before I owned the house. And this is a neighbor, so my house obviously is a game where I'm, this is a neighbor a few doors down. They put in this a few years ago when they did it, and that's more or less what I want to do. This is my driveway, so that's the view of it currently, and that's kind of, I could half of it would be hidden, but that's kind of what it would look like from the street. Are you saying there was a garage there? I still have the wall and the concrete slab, but the garage obviously came down when the tree came down on it. It's a lot. I didn't know what to do. My thoughts are that it's suggesting to speak into someone to see how the water that's poisoning the damage, how that could be drained versus enclosing. It has a drain, but particularly in the winter, when we've got an ice and snow, snow builds up there, it's also brought it out the door and the shingles and the shingles around it, unless I get out there and shovel it immediately. And I've patched it. And I can probably, I can have nothing to a better job sealing it when we do the roof replacement anyway, but this would be, you know, I still have a railing issue. So this would cut this was sort of solve a whole bunch of issues. Well, there may be potentially options on trying to get a railing there that doesn't stand out as much. You know? Well, architecturally to match. And then the other thing is that you see just the expense of the railings. I've had to replace various pieces. And they have to be custom milled., you know, custom milled and, you know, they're about $100 a piece and I need a hundred of them to do that entire rail. So, you know, sort of $10,000 could be better spent on, you know. Well, I think what I might for it's not obviously in the opinion of this will not an absolute decision is I would like to see potentially maybe a little more research for some options with regard to, you know, instead of been closing it, because in closing it and will change the look at the home. You know, and you're closing it on two sides and it's going to be glass going all the way around. In addition to that additional dormer, absolutely changes the look of the home. So it would be challenging to be okay with everything. So I guess what I'm saying is, you know, essentially there are additional options. More than you'll have to look at, people, it will absolutely change the look of the home that's there right now. Okay. I mean, the only two options I see are either some kind of railing and continuing to have the repair the water proofing every, on that I've been here 15 years, I've done it four times or, you know, in closing which then solved the problem, you know, for a while. Right, it's a difficult, it is a difficult balance, you know, certainly, you know, the expense you've gone through. If I put a high railing type to the road, if I put a high railing, that's also going to, you know, change the look of the house because it doesn't match the rest of it. Well, I mean, like I said, there may be, there might be some options. I mean, with regards to the railing, I mean, if the railings went back, Certainly if they went back the size that based on what you've estimated because of the post that you found That would restore the house back to what it was. Maybe there's some, you know, I'm sorry, but the only part of it would let me do that. No, I understand. What I'm saying is, you know, if maybe taking a look at it and I don't know what it will look like visually. So what I'm saying is the railing, you know, taking a look at what would it look like if there was a railing there at the size that it should be old ones. And then above that, maybe some other type of light railing, maybe something that visually isn't so, you know, we could see too much from the street. There was a home that came before us and it was the actual porch railing that had to go up and they added, wasn't a wire they added of our then type railing that allowed it to meet the requirements of the building department but yet it didn't take away visually when you're looking at the home. Okay, I mean, I mean, I mean, it's a way that somehow that information can be found, and then we can share it with the homeowner so that they have some additional options. Does anybody else have any comments? Which is that it would be a really radical change for the house. We look like an entire different house today, just to my opinion. Is it beautiful house? No, it's not. We've never changed without the coaches being enclosed. We've lots of people throughout the neighborhood have I've heard of porches that have got enclosed at some point. You know, some of them are, you know, screened in rooms that are now, you know, have windows, but, yeah, I mean, I, I didn't know what you're saying, and we changed the look, you know, you know, a little bit, but, you know, the rest, you know, I'm trying to do it and it in the style of the house originally so that you couldn't really tell after it's done, but what was new and what was old. It looks like a rabbit would change to me as well, because even on one side, I guess the glass more outdoors and maybe on the other side. And it's, when you have the windows, maybe, it's a lot. And, but a lot of houses in the historic, or some houses that I'm familiar with, do have balconies and when it snows and when it rains and all that stuff, no, shoveling to the place. And so maybe we think about the safety aspects or the right size railings and what having a monkey needed. But I think that the character of the house changed a lot with the roof line and other piece added. It's a lot and maybe the rest, you know, you don't have a whole board here so maybe there's other feedback that we maybe need the whole different time of what happened. Putting up the railing doesn't stop the water damage. I mean, you want to close it because the water's coming. I want to close it because. You just put railing, so that doesn't help. But it doesn't help. You have a, like, someone in the winter time when it's snowing and raining, and after it's don't fall, she go out and you get, you clear the roof of the snow in the ice, or you get out. But the problem is done and I've had this happen is you sort of melt down the slush goes into the drain It's not you know because the way the roof is it's not that steeply paid And then, like I've had this happen, you sort of melt down, the slush goes into the drain. It's not, you know, because the way the roof is, it's not that steeply pitched. And the water, the slush, from melting it, sat in the drain, froze to the burst of the drain, and then, you know, I'm going to have more leaks in the floor. I've been fighting this for 15 years. So, is there an alternative option maybe for the loop extension? Extended forward. important. Fighting this for 15 years. These are not any of the options for the loop extension. Extended forward. That's what we said. I wouldn't bring the loop. Now we bring the So I'm going to do the roof out to this point. Extended. You don't do it as a setback. Set it back. So the original, as you see in that sketch, the original roof line stays. It would just have these shed dormers, you know, a little further out here. This is also the, well, I'd like to do a post-size, but this is actually the south side of the house, which, so I'm on Hamilton, but back in my house I actually face this Hamilton. This is the front of my house, which looks over the other houses down to Brookdale. So you're going to be around there like sitting out there, you know, using it like that? I mean, it's not safe. The railing is the new, you know, this is my youngest, but you know, I've got three boys. They're not allowed out there because it's just too dangerous. And it's just, you know, we get ladies constantly, the snubs, you know, there's nothing, unless I made a giant copper pan or something and you're talking to a plumb and it's actually going to be a lot cheaper to do this than do the railings and everything out. And even then, you know, we've got railings that our architecture would not. I mean, maybe there's a solution like you said. But if I took those balusters and brought them up to the height of code, it just looked really weird. Yeah. Yeah. And on the the rights of the garage shouldn't be a problem, because it was an existing thing, it was a safe tractor. Yeah, it was. We actually have barred and still got a little bit of the original chimney, because it keeps the horses warm. Really? Yeah, it happens. And on the street, out in front of my house on Hamilton is a massive piece of marble that was a carrot set. I don't want to know who's that. He's trying to take it more. Take it more. I'm taking his own. I'm going to have to argue. I don't know. I'm going to take his own. I'm going to take his own. I'm going to take his own. I'm going to take his own. I'm going to take his own. I'm going to take his own. I'm going to take his own. I'm going to take his own. I'm going to take his own. I'm going to take his own. I'm going to take his own. I'm going to take his own. So I'm going to keep her at the feedback from the board. And I think I'm making a assumption in the deep back from the board. And I think, I don't know, make a function for all of you, but, you know, I think that they would be welcome to you coming back. Yeah, you know, again, if you wanted to before, I think I can have a preliminary session. Okay. And I can, we'll look at that and find that application I think is first to you with the Yeah, I mean I can I have some spare ballasters because they've brought out and whatever, you know, the times I've ordered, I'm not working a few extra. So I can show you what the ballasters would look like. Or at least if I took the original, I could probably shun them up to, is it 42 or do you have another power? I'm not building it. I can bring it up to show you where 42 would be if the other solution didn't work. Sounds like you can talk to John Boulder. We're trying to pay somebody for all the work. It's made so it's all the answers. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So we don't have anything else. So that brings us to close the ceremony. So we'll all be back. All right. Any questions? Thank you so much everybody.