Good morning ladies and gentlemen welcome to Charlotte County Board of County Commissioners Municipal Services Benefit Units Workshop from May 20th 2025 Let the record show all commissioners are present if you please rise for the pleasurable agent I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation one nation under God, individual liberty and justice for all. Mr. Foras any comments before we get started? Just a quick one Mr. Chair if I could just want to thank staff that's here, public works, public safety, fiscal, and definitely our advisory boards, all the volunteers on there. They'd start a work on these work programs, I think probably October 2nd, once the first budget was passed last year. So a lot of time to develop the work programs that the folks want out in the different units. And we're bringing those rates for discussion today. So I'll turn it over to Rick and John. Thank you. Good morning commissioners, Rick Arthur, fiscal fiscal services welcome to our annual MSB you workshop On our agenda today we've got proposed rates without an increase. We've got some that have a change in the length of the rate We got some rate reductions and also changes in the capital program Additionally, we'll talk about some that have proposed rates with an increase and then we'll also have some that have proposed rates with an increase above the max requiring public hearing as well as first time assessments. And then some rate change discussion for an MSBU without an advisory board. So first our proposed rates without an increase. I've got several slides on these. They're broken down by the type of MSBU. I'll just kind of go through them quickly, but there is an attachment that has all of these consolidated in a summary form on the agenda. So up first is a little gaspaviril island. No changes to the rates here. The next few slides are going to be our street and drainage units. Again, no changes with any of these rates. Additionally, our waterway units, no changes here. Stormwater units, beach re-nourishment. I do want to point out that this is the maintenance side. We'll be talking about the capital side in a little bit. These are utility units. All right, and then we have a few that have a change in the length of the rate. So these were originally scheduled for rate decrease, but there's been a change in the length of the rate that's needed. And those are going to be Sun Coast Boulevard Street and drainage and tropical Gulf Acres Street and drainage. And I'll hand it off to John to discuss those. Good morning, commissioners. For the record, John Elias Public Works Director. As Mr. Arthur mentioned, the increased assessment rate approved an FY16 to fund a paving project. The current assessment rate was scheduled to be reduced in FY25 following the pay off of the paving loan. Staff is recommending continuing the current assessment rate of $94 to accommodate work program activities to include concrete flat work. There was some development out there that had some sidewalk in front of it and it's getting broken up so to fund that, that's what we're asking to leave that rate. The next one is Tropical Golf Acres. Increased assessment rate approved in FY 11 to fund a paving project. Paving loan was paid in full, but current assessment rate maintained for collections toward planned paving in the Capital Maintenance Program. Paving estimates have now been removed for the FY 26 program. Staff is recommending continuing the current assessment rate of $102.98 to use for revised paving approach currently under development. So at a high level TGA's got some very unique, we got dirt roads, we got paper roads, we got asphalt roads. A lot of this was trying to repave the asphalt roads that need to be done, but we're trying to build a program that also lets us start to pave those shell roads. So that's why we're asking to leave this right the way it is. I have a question for you. Yes. On Sun Coast Boulevard Street in drainage that one does not have an advisory board. No I had to phone a friend. It does not. Yeah because I was looking looking through the schedule. OK, that's why you're making the recommendation. And tropical Gulf acres. That does not either. OK, thank you. Mr. Constell. Yes, thank you. Well, yes, it's fairly sparsely populated down there, number one. But number two, how are you going to pave a shell road? I mean, it's not just putting asphalt on top of it. What are the elevations like? What's the base like? I mean, you you're gonna actually be able to to create roads and pave them. Yeah, we've done it in the past, but you bring up some very interesting concepts out there. Over the years, back in the day, I even graded roads out there, almost all of them are shell roads. What typically happens is the shell roads spread out and they become 50, 60 feet wide. And then over time we try to get them back into like a 20 foot road base. But there's also typically enough shell that it makes a pretty substantial base. And the elevations we're trying to keep at the same elevation approximately to where they are or existing roads, because that's what it's been out there for the entirety of since it's been there. So we anticipate that we'll be able to do some roads. Some roads may require additional work. Some. roads because that's what it's been out there for the entirety of since it's been there. So we anticipate that we'll be able to do some roads. Some roads will may require additional work. Some roads we can probably just clean up, box out, and straighten up and then pay. Yeah, I mean, I'm I think I'm more concerned about drainage streets and drainage. Just paving road doesn't mean that it's it's correct with regard to when we have, you This isn't going to be a flooding event from storm surge, but heavy rains could pose a bit of an issue, even though these are fairly decent elevation, I just don't know. So TGA historically has been pretty high and dry. They have a unique mix of roadside swells, some larger systems that move stuff through, and tons of ponds, like a lot of people don't realize this, how many ponds are out in DGA. So historically, we haven't had drainage issues out there to be concerned about. Perfect, thank you. Thanks, Jim. OK, and the commissioners, we have some proposed rates without an increase. They actually have a rate reduction. So we have several of them listed here. Up first there's some street and drainage units and again we've added the reason for the reduction over here to the side. For some waterway units we have some coast with a reduction. Again with a comment there of why it's being and reduce and same for storm water as well. Okay, and then I wanted to bring this back I mentioned this earlier when we kept the there had a slide where we showed that the rates were staying the same for the maintenance side of the beach reneurishment. MSBU on the capital side were actually proposing a zero. Suficient funding has been collected during the first seven years of the cycle to cover the expenses. So we're suggesting actually not charging on the capital side this year. All right. And then we have a couple changes to the CNA that we just want to update you on from When you saw it back on February 18th We've got two sidewalk projects golf cove sidewalk Greater Port Charlotte sidewalk and then the South Gulf Co. Parallel lock that originally had Budget in 26 and 27. Those have been moved out of the two-year budget window. And so we've actually kept their rate steady for now. But we wanted to let you know about this because it had changed on the CNA. All right. So next steps on these. again, these are all great changes that are going to stay the same, so these will be included on the trim notices that are sent out in August. Okay, our next category is going to be actually proposed rates with an increase, and you'll be familiar with most of these. have sanitation and the fire units we also have an increase for dredging for alligator creek waterway and just a reminder that these are already included in the fiscal year 26 plan budget and and as additionally these rates are below the maximum so that although they're an increase they do not require public hearing. So at first is the sanitation. Of course this is our contracted amount. We have a 4% increase built in. I believe last year it was just right under that 3.9. We don't actually get that number until June. So if it comes in lower than 4% we'll bring that back to you to let you know. We did add additional footnote here, just as a reminder for everybody that this contract is good through fiscal year 30. And then here's the map of the sanitation district. Okay, for public safety, for the Charlotte County Fire Unit, commissioners, you'll remember back in 24, we established a new ray plan. We got a 15% increase on rates in 24, 12% and 25 and then 6% annually through fiscal year 31 that established a max rate of 372 30 and fiscal year 31. This is the projection that Francine brought back to you at the 3-6 workshop showing that we actually built in the infrastructure positions that were needed for the new stations and equipment and that the rate plan was still sufficient. Now we have an updated one that we're bringing you today. This includes not only those infrastructure needs, but also service delivery position requests and budget requests. And although you see a dip down there below zero in the out years around fiscal year 30, our recommendation is actually to keep the rate plan the same. We have enough things that are going to be timing issues that we're not sure this is going to materialize in those out years. So instead we'd like to continue to bring this back to you on an annual basis at our MSBU workshop and review this. So we're recommending to keep this at 6% for next year. And this would be the those increased rates with a 6% increase. And this is our Charlotte County Fire Unit map. Okay, same thing with Bear Island. You'll remember that back in 24. We had a 23% increase and then a 4% increase annually through fiscal year 31 that established a max rate of $1,161.62. We have updated their projections based on their budget request. And as you can see, the current rate plan plan is still sufficient So we don't recommend any changes for that rate plan neither so these are the updated proposed rates with a 4% increase Mr. Consonz to exact graph I get why the the blue line bumped up because the rate increase But what was the issue issue? Why all of a sudden did we have a decrease in expenditures? What was it, a flip-flop there? I think that rate, that big spike we had in 23 was to purchase some equipment. So I think they had an equipment purchase in that year, and then you saw it come back down. They've actually requested some more equipment this year, but it's a much lower cost piece of equipment. Was it a bumper? Sure. Yeah, I'm getting ahead not from the truth the chief so I think it's two or three hundred thousand planned for 26. And then there's the map of the Bear Island Fire Unit. All right. And then rate increases, uh, Pw for the water way. So this is the alligator creek one that we mentioned that I'll let John talk about this. So the MSB advisory board would like to increase their rate by 53 dollars for dredging an FY26. The current rate is 25 with a max rate of 100. The proposed rate would be 78. And again, this wouldn't require a public hearing. I have a question for you. Is that just for a certain Dredging cycle? I would have to get you the details on that. I don't know if it's a complete Dred or spot Dredging. Like does this go out for like five years and drop off? Because I'm not sure I'd have to get you that information. I'll top my head, I can't remember. I may have it before the end of the meeting. All right, Commissioner. So the next steps on these, these are going to come back to you for approval at your May 27th Board meeting. Again, these are under the established maximum rate so they do not require a public hearing and then these will be included on the trim notices that are mailed out in office. All right, our next category are going to be proposed rate increases requiring a public hearing so these will be over the max rate. So I will hand this back off to John and up first will be our street and drainage units. So Anguadis street and drainage, the MSB advisory board would like to increase the rate by $160 for phase paving to begin an FY26. The current rate is 190 with the max rate being 190 and the proposed rate is 350. In the gardens of Gulf Coast street and drainage, again another one where a public hearing would be required. The MSB advisory board would like to increase their rate by 265 for an increase to cost associated with paving and pipelining. Current rate is 350, max rate is 350, with the proposed rate of 615. I would add just as a side note here, Gardens of Cove is a unique, small community. It has a lot of curbing gutter, and it also has a lot of large pipes that connect the lakes out there. And I think we did one pipe out there last year, and they go between properties, it's very complex, and I think the one pipe, the line, was almost a million dollars. So they're sitting good in an infrastructure standpoint, but to do these large scale maintenance projects like that, that's why they're having to raise it so much. Placita Street and drainage, the MSB advisory board would like to increase their rate by $299.85 for planned sidewalks in FY26. The current rate is 235.35, $15 with the max rate of $2.35, $3.33. The proposed rate would be $535. Yeah, I've got a question similar to the previous one I had. Are these rate increases amateurized along the same schedule as the improvements? Is it a 20 year, like you're talking about road repaving, lining pipes? So I'll answer some of it all of them ask for different options some of them want to start Assessing themselves ahead of time to save some money and then have to pay off kind of ended a certain time others want the maximum Pay out like the 20 year 12 15 years. Am I answering your question? Yeah, so I don't know what to do. They're all on particular of these ones. Well, the reason I'm bringing it up is because I can remember out in West Cany, we had a meeting at Trungale. Even though the committee wanted this, the resident showed up in mass, and what the board went through as an exercise of, right, changing the schedule, stretching it out. So I want to be prepared because some of these increases are large. So while the advisory board is recommending them to us, it may be different when we have the public hearing. So I want to be prepared to understand which elements of these projects, what time periods are tied to? Is there an option to stretch it out to reduce it? So I don't know that right now. I don't know if this is a 10 year amortization, five year 20. We'll get you that, but I agree and completely remember those public hearings where we got full endorsement from the advisory board, but not so full from the citizens in the area. So we'll get you that information. Okay, thank you. Yes, Chair. Yes, mention. I'm sure it's correct. I'm sorry. And looking at this list, it's going to be a long meeting. And having all those details is going to be very important because the maintenance stuff has to get done, but how it's paid for over time is going to be the thing that we really need to understand. The Garden is a Gulf Cove, that's a huge hit for that community. That is not a fluent neighborhood, understood. And most of them are not all of them, but many of them are on fixed incomes. So we want to be very cognizant of that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, so Pam was just helping me out. Anything that's dredging will be the length of the useful life of the dredge. We ran over 55 scenarios for these MSBUs and we have all of those so we can provide those to you. If you'd like to have them ahead of time for the public hearings, you know, just as questions come up, you've 55 is for all of these, you know. So we can organize them by each MSPU. So you can just have them in case you need to look at them to make a different decision. Yeah, I mean, we should probably have that information even in the workshop setting because we got to start thinking about that now. I don't want them at the meeting. I want them like you in advance. Yeah, this probably would have been an appropriate time to do that. You mentioned that the dredging is tied to the cycle of the dredge. What was that? How did she say that? The useful life of the dredge. OK, well, what is it? I believe it's 25. 20. What do we land on after the 5 to 7? OK, so technically this would drop off after 5 to 7. and you know, well that makes a difference if it's seven, we need to 7. Okay, so technically this would drop off after 5 to 7. Well that makes a difference. If it's 7, we need to know. I mean, two years is a big difference. We're definitely going to get you this. Okay, yeah. We're going to need to know that. Yeah, and we've already, those have already been all run. So there's no, there won't be any issue going forward. We'll, we'll attach those to you this meeting. but we can get them to you shortly. Because theoretical let's just assume it's seven. Once we've collected and seven years is up we do a bath metric survey it may not need another dredge or it may need another way we have to. Yeah I don't know the frequency of this one is it has it been every five or seven years? I would have to get back to you though. Okay, I know they're all different. Some can go a longer period, depends on what's going on. And Commissioner to your earlier point, I would even say even though the fiscal team does an amazing job for us putting these scenarios together, that's not to set, we give the scenarios that the board asked us for, that's not to say that at a public hearing, the citizens and this has happened before. Request a scenario outside of what we've asked before and their scrambling to put together numbers. So that is still a possibility. Yeah. Commissioner direct. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'll just proceed to street drainage. The plan sidewalks. Can you get us the locations of where those are going to go? Certainly. Appreciate it. Thank you. Sorry. We already covered this. No, we didn't. So South Gulf Cove, the MSB advisory board would like to increase their rate by $14 for an increasing cost associated with bridge repairs. The current rate is 105. The max rate is 105, and they're wanting to go up to a proposed rate of 119. I would also add just on a note here that some of these communities like South Cove, COVID, and Rantanda, they're very aggressive and forward thinking on their programs, and they really want to try to get these large maintenance programs done, and we appreciate that. They recognize the need for it, and it helps us get these things done like this bridge program with the amount of bridges that we have in these areas it's crucial that we get those done. Commissioner Constance. Thank you. So can you go back to slide 41? So for Southgope Code you said the current max rate is 105 is that a mistake on the chart? It says 119 because I was questioning why are we increasing when it's already at 119? But apparently Our current max rate is 105 and the proposed max rate is 119. Is that a mistake on the chart? So for Jardiet 119 then we don't have a then we don't have to put a public hearing I'm showing South Cova the current rate is 105 and the proposed rate is 119. Right, so this chart is wrong. I'm sorry. I'm getting confirmation this is a typo. Good, okay, because I was looking at this going to why is this even on here. That would be good. That would be good. That would be good. That would be good. Yeah. Good Yep. South Gulf Coast Street and drainage phase 2, 3, 4, and 5. The MSB Advisory Board would like to increase the rate to $306 for paving in areas designated as phase 2, 3, 4, and 5. The current rate is zero. The proposed rate is 306. And we've outlined the max rate in those different phases. And then these are the increases above max rate for the waterway units. So the harbor heights waterway the MSB advisory board would like to increase the rate by $475 dredging. The current rate is 300 with the max rate of 400. The proposed rate is 775. North West Charlotte Waterway, the MSB Advisory Board would like to increase the rate by $210 for dredging. The current rate is 100. The max rate is 100 and the proposed rate is 310. also add that on a of these, I feel the same way as I'm sure you do. There's kind of a sticker shock, but in the last three to five years, we've also seen all these construction costs going up exponentially. So that's some of those why you're seeing that like, wow, that's a significant increase. All right. So the next steps on these are that we'll back to you on your 20 May 27th regular board meeting to approve the mailing of these notices for these increases and then the public hearings will be held on July 16th and 17th. All right up next is first time assessment for individual parcels. So again, these are properties that are in an MSPU and haven't been charged and they're going to start being charged. So those require public hearing. And we have quite a few this year. So we've got, in sanitation, we have 68 of those. And then in the fire, we've got five unitsitation we have 68 of those and then in the fire we've got five units street and drain inch we have 90 a big chunk of that is a condo that up now but a road in the MSBU and then stormwater we have five as well. Alright, so next steps on these, again, these will also come back to you at your regular board meeting on the 27th or approval to mail those notices for those units being assessed for the first time. Public hearings for those will be held at your June 24th regular board meeting. All right, and then our last topic is a rate change for MSBUs without an advisory board. I believe we just have one the cook and brown street and drainage. Staff recommends increasing the rate to $53 to continue the work program approved by the board on May of 2021-2024. These were sufficient reserves to accommodate the work program through FY25 with the projected increase of 60 to occurred in 26. Staff has modified the work program which is lowering the FY26 proposed rate from 60 to 53. The current rate is 20, the max rate is 20, and the proposed rate is 53. I would also add that my team give me some notes that the House bill affected how we do the assessments out there because of ag areas and certain things so that that was another thing now we have less units that are paying into it so that's another issue. Commissioner Dordy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think it would be important. I don't think there's that many units within that MSPU, John, that many properties. I think it would be important to see individually what this increase is going to point to. I mean, we're going up on an acreage basis. So some of those large acreages could really see a significant increase. So I just want to get a handle on that. I think I'm correct. There shouldn't be too many parts of it. Correct. But we were relatively speaking. So you're saying like what the impact of that one. Because the 28th or parts of it will be going from this. We can go to that too. We think we have that information. We can provide that. Excellent. Thank you. 20 acres goes from 400 to a thousand, 60. But the question is, well, sorry. Go ahead. Well, you finished. I'm fine. Okay, give me your time. Thank you. I have more of a philosophical question maybe. So we have our current rates, our proposed rates, and max rates. Is our mission to always have the max rate, what the current rate is? Or are we supposed to approach because a lot of these I'm seeing we're just proposing whatever the rate we want now is the max rate. There's very few that are programmed with wiggle room for the future. So I guess my thought is if we're going to go ahead and bring this to public care and you get it out there, why don't we have a buffer built in so that if we have to do this again. This takes time, this takes staff time, this takes, you know, there's a lot that goes into this to set this up and have next year for some reason 17 of these need $5 more because of a miscalculation. It all goes back to public urine. Why are we setting, I would say 90% of these without going through the slides, the max rate is the proposed rate. Why are we not giving ourselves on? I would agree with your premise and I would defer some of this to Miss Nolton, but my understanding of how we've historically done this is we build the program and whatever that program is, that's what we build the rate to. And there are issues if we try to put too much of a buffer or something in there that that money has to be spent for whatever we're raising the rate for. I agree, but I'm saying putting in a max rate doesn't mean you're ever going to assess at the max rate. It just gives you flexibility, especially with inflation and other things that are going on. You make it some internal sticker shock. And staff is trying to work things out and all of a sudden you don't have enough money and you got to wait until the next cycle for us to go ahead and raise the rate and raise the max rate. So I just look at the proposed rate being the max rate is being short-sighted. I'm not saying double it. I'm just saying you should have a, I don't know, figure out what it is, but there should be something standard for streets and drainage, something for stormwater. Like a 12% or 14% buffer. might be 5% for one category and 20% for another because petroleum has something to do with paving roads. So, you know I just think that having that built in and explaining it to the public that we're trying to be efficient with how we're governing and that's we never intend to get to that max rate but we have to have it there because it's good governance. And I think to your point Commissioner Constance, I think believe in the past, we've gotten pushed back from the public. Like you're just fluffing this up and then you're gonna, you can spend money however you want. We want you to just, so but we don't, I don't disagree with that premise and make everybody's life easier for sure. And to your point, there's times we've had to adjust the rate, the following year just because of an increase in the industry like we pointed out so I don't disagree with that premise And I'll say to the rates can't be arbitrary, but we do include indices and stuff in there They can be on a 10 year work program because there's a here benefit and all of these do go to legal for review because we have to do a resolution for any of the You know increases so So it's, although you're seeing the max rate, you know, and the current rate, that does have some built into it. But we can't just arbitrarily, you know, go up. So we try to do that by indexing or, you know, providing some overhead costs in there, but it has to be, oh, what I do, it has to be justified. The one button, push it. Well, I appreciate it. I appreciate it. I'm just, you know, just trying to get into the standing for the, for again, the philosophy behind, because I think it should be, we should just have standard policy, then it's not arbitrary. Oh, you're just fluff it up, no, no. for streets of drainage and for roadways, we always have, whatever our proposed rate is, we always have 10% more in the max rate. No, no. For streets of drainage and for roadways, we always have whatever our proposed rate is. We always have 10% more in the max rate because of X, Y, and Z. And just it's our policy. And we can explain it. If you can't explain it, obviously, we're not doing it. But just good governance. I agree. I agree. It does look odd when we have a current rate $112.80 in the factory is $112.80. It's like how do we get to just that. Right. And I can, one of the ones we lowered for that. the current rate is $112.80 and the max rate is $112.80. It's like how do we get to just that? Right, and I can, one of the ones we lowered for that waterway dredging on the north side of the piece of river, I think the max rate is $12 or $1,500 and we're lowering, well, that's what it would cost if we did the dredge. And obviously those folks are saying, And you know, we can get our boats in and out well enough on those who can't don't boat so they don't want to pay the money. Okay, fine. That I get it. So our rate is 200 and something and our max rate is... Those folks are saying, you know, we can get our boats in and out well enough on those who can't don't boat so they don't want to pay the money. Okay, fine. That I get it. So our rate is 200 and something and our max rate is, we did lower the max rate. We just said we're lowering the proposed amount. We don't need a public hearing. They've asked for it. That's what we're doing. Logic. All right. Thank you. Yeah, just a quick question on that because we have a bunch of units that are below the max rate. So we don't have to have a public hearing. We just went through the slide. So clearly we've got a bunch of them that already we've established a max rate. We're below it. You mentioned indexes or indices that are used to determine that. What have we used? Because what is that standard? I think we use the same things that we use on the CNA. One of these slides said what they are we use a certain one for road projects and what's the other one? Yeah. Commissioner to your point though on the ones because I agree with you we have them that are below the rate. Yeah. If sit below the rate for too long, eventually we'll be looking at lower than them, because then we've got a situation where we're assessing people and not spending the money in the MSB or print. No, no, it's below the max rate. The max rate. Yeah, the max rate. We're not collecting the max rate. We're below it. Gotcha. So I mean, we have a bunch that were already below the max rate, but there's some that are not. So it's kind of like what if there's a standard, we should be below all the max rates. Well, keep behind that. Why are some people and some not? At some point there may have been some kind of work that was done that, and that rate, that max rate was established. We don't necessarily go back and decrease that established max rate. But we're hearing what you're saying about like having an identified approach that is defendable. for sure. Understandable and logical. I mean, that really, you know, makes your lives easier, makes it make sense. I do have some questions. Just to cover to make sure that my team's gonna put together all the stuff you need. Commissioner, sorry, Commissioner, to say, you wanted the terms of the loan and we're going to provide all that like what each one of the Emmerization we provided them as options and the ones we selected. We also want to know how often we're going to be doing alligator Creek is this something that we have to do all the time We're in this particular thing. What the program is we're doing an alligator Creek. We're wanting to know the details of the sidewalk locations, Mr. Commissioner Trubick's and we're wanting to know the amount that we're increasing cook-browns assessment by parcel. Yeah, by parcel. Yep. And we're going to look into this metric. Commissioner Consonz. Yeah, and the other thing I think just in general, whatever the category is, if it's dredging, I think somewhere on the slide it's got to be usable life five years. Streets, usable life 20 years. So they know, we know everybody's understanding of what are we putting the improvement in for and what is the life expectancy we're trying to get out of it. Because if it says 20 and you're trying to amortize 40, that's not going to happen. Because we're coming back in 20 years to do it again and now we're doubling down and you need to even pay for the first one versus it's a five year thing or it's a 20 year thing and you're getting it done in eight years because you don't want to spend as much on financing. But I think it helps everybody get slotted into the right mindset. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Dordy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Back on slide 16, I have a additional question. It's the great reductions for the street and drainage units. Most of them are related to the paving loans going away so they're they're going with the reduction. Harbor Heights though says reduction in work program activities I'm assuming those are not essential Activities that you absolutely have to do is it's capital stuff So I asked my team this and what it boiled down to commissioner is they had a very aggressive work program for several years Well, why they were up at 408. Yeah, and what ended up happening is Storms happened other things happen and we basically had to lower their amount of work program that we're putting into that unit particularly That's really what's right because I asked that exact same question Can I can we get something from you as to specifically what's been reduced? Yep. That would be helpful. Thank you. John, Cook Brown Road, that was the one where we put the drainage pipe at the end where we had that was little farm. Little farm, okay. Right next to it, though. Okay, I got them confused. I thought it was a little farm. I don't think, I looked at the map of like maybe it's this one. Yeah. Yes sir. Yeah quick question on Harbor Heights going back to that. So was it because of flooding that it kind of ruined things and they said you know we're not going to bother keeping up with stuff or So it was really that again they a really grassroots effort to get a lot of stuff done there and they had a very aggressive work program and it boiled down to we didn't have the staff and then we had some storms occur and we just had to basically say we can't do all this stuff at the rate that you're wanting to do it so we're lowering it. That's even easier. So we just didn't have the bandwidth. Okay. Okay. Any more questions on this item? Just I want to do this one last slide because we didn't get to this next steps on that cook and brown one. That'll come back to you at the 27th to authorize the notices. We'll get you the information you requested ahead of time. And then the public here will be held on July 16th. All right. That's it. Okay. No further questions on this item. All right. We're going to go to comments. Mr. Flores. Nothing this morning. Thank you. Mr. Nolton. Nothing. Thank you. I'll sit through. Come back to your consciousness. These comments on anything or just related to MSBUs, there's no time. Okay, then you. Mr. Dordy. I'll set through. Commissioner Constance. These comments on anything or just related to MSBUs is an old. OK, then I have nothing. Mr. Joy. Mr. Dordy. And I have nothing with that gentleman. This meeting is adjourned.