Welcome everyone. Welcome everyone. Before we start, if we could just make sure to turn off our silence, our cell phones, we'd appreciate it. Okay. Let's get started with Brian's mic. That's fine. I got Brian's here. Okay, welcome everyone. Today is Tuesday, September 17th. The time is just at for 7 p.m. We'd like to call to order the City of South Miami commission meeting for again Tuesday, September 17th. At this time, again, please silence or turn off your cell phones. Madame Clerk, if you could call the roll, please. Yes, Mayor Fernandez. Present. President Bernish. Here. Commissioner Lee-Min. Present. Commissioner Cory. Present. Commissioner Cahill. Present. You have a quorum. Thank you, Madame Clerk. If we could please stand for a moment of silence. Commissioner Lee, would you like to recognize? I'm going to go to the office and go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. yesterday. So this evening as we reflect and say a silent prayer we would ask that you keep him and his family and your thoughts. We want to express our collective condolences to the family during this period of grief and we ask our Lord for the eternal repose Thank you. Thank you. I'd like to call up a couple of guests this evening, Sadie, Vanessa and Antonio could you join us and lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance please. There's a microphone right there or you know know, right there, the podium there? Chief, thank you for the help. Is the light green? Yes, yeah. Okay, if you could lead us in the Pledge, ladies, thank you. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, ladies. Well done. Thank you. Please be seated. So actually, why don't we start with item E3 colleagues if you'll indulge me? Met a manager, we have a PowerPoint slide where you're going to present this students to the students to the students to the students to the students to the students to the students to the students to the students to the students to the students to the students to the students to the students to the students to the students to the students to the students to the students to the students to the students to the students to the students to the students to the students to the Approach us recently about a project and they're going to share with us their excellent idea that has now become a reality. So ladies, who's going to do the honors talking? I'll be okay. We'll get started. Go ahead. We've been having technical difficulties all day. It's okay. We'll get it right in a second. Girls, why don't you introduce yourself while you're waiting. One at a time, if you can tell us your name and your age, please My name is Sadie Kregor and I'm 10 years old. Great. My name is Vanessa Miss Rocky and I am also 10 years old Okay, my name is Antonin Lanovaro and I am also 10 years old and how do you guys know each other? school Maybe two years ago, so and they have been friends for a really long time. Fantastic. Okay. So I think we're ready with the presentation, so ladies, take it away. So I've been living in South Miami since 2019, and during COVID, all the kids in the block would like go to this coldest sack, and we would all play in the little garden garden and so one day Vanna came over to look at her new house and we were like playing in the garden and I thought why don't we make it a little more beautiful because like most of the plants were like dead. So after I went home that day the gears in my brain started twisting. So I started to write a letter to you, yes, Mr. Mayor. And I sent it over to Sadie to edit it. And after we got it already, we sent it to you. So after we did that- And it was a well written letter, by the way, for everyone to be honest. So after that, we had a meeting with you where we discussed everything that we needed to. We started to learn more about the garden and yeah. So we had to, we needed to get approval from the neighbors, right? And yes everyone approved. So we started planning and doing all that stuff. And then the public works came and helped us make that coldest hack a beautiful place where now you can play and enjoy and sit and have a snack. So we're going to try to like put more plants sit and have a snack. So we're gonna try to like put more plants and make it a little more beautiful and special. And we would like people to like come and make friends and enjoy it. So one of the things that I've really kept in my heart ever since this project started is that it always seems impossible until it's done. So when I started this, I thought that it wasn't going to be that big, that all you were going to do is like maybe add some grass and like plant some seeds, but after you really do it, you realize how far you come from the start of the project. Okay, and everyone, all of us really enjoyed the project and we are really looking forward to do like other stuff that we have to do with gardening and making the city a better place. Fantastic, well a big round of applause to Vanessa and Ellen Sadie. Thank you. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, before you sit down, stay up at the podium. I think my colleagues want to say a couple words to you. Please come back up. Commissioner Lee, when you're recognized. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I remember the day when the mayor referred to him met with you because he walked from this end of the hallway to this end of the hallway and his hair was blown back and his eyes were wide open and I said what happened. I figured it was an upset resident. He said I met with three young students that blew me away. I couldn't even keep up with their rapid fire questions. So I assumed, probably rightfully so, that you're all old enough to drive or vote. So it is so impressive to see you here today. I wanted to ask you, I saw that you worked with our public works crew. What did you think of the gentleman who helped you with your project? Well, they were extremely kind and they had to so much and we're very thankful. And the other thing, a couple more things I want to say one is I've been here a very long time. These are the very special moments that make it worth it. And I mean that sincerely. And the other thing is, is this was actually the mayor's idea, but since Commissioner Coye has been championing our youth initiatives, I really think this is a great time to start your youth committee, not that, any another committee, but if we do need one, that's the one. That's a good idea. So, okay, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Lieben. Anyone else? Thank you. Before you go, ladies, a little anything. Commissioner Cory? I just wanted to say thank you so much. What you guys have done is what we strive to do every single day. And you made it look easy. And I just hope you keep in your minds and in your hearts There's really no limitations to what you could do and you guys have shown us that today Commissioner Kaya so I'm gonna give you girls a little bit more of a project So I currently started a project with our elderly community where they're building gardens as well here Actually right across the street right by the hospital and so they're growing vegetables are growing spices a whole bunch of things So if you guys get a group together, let me know, we can work together on that stuff. Thank you so much. That advice we were saying? It's always awesome to see girls doing amazing things. Thank you very much. Ladies, I just want to say thank you. It's, I mean, this is absolutely amazing. It was a lot of fun to meet with you the first day. I kind of wonder what was happening behind the scenes, but I had zero doubt that between our staff and the three of you, given your energy, which everyone has now observed firsthand. All right, that, that amazing thing would happen. So I'm looking forward to coming out to the garden and seeing it transformed. And my only charge to use what's next. Let's think about something else we can do together, OK? You put something. You put something. You put something. Ladies, why don't you come up to the front so we can all take a picture together. OK. Thank you. Mayor, we have some traffic circles that we can use some help with. Yeah, yeah, no. And before I, before I, before we move off the item, We're really lucky to have you working with us. I'm going to grab the gavel. There we go. I'm going to grab the gavel. I'm going to grab the gavel. There we go. I'm going to grab the gavel. I'm going to grab the gavel. I'm going to grab the gavel. I'm going to grab the gavel. I'm going to grab the gavel. I'm going to grab the gavel. I'm going to grab the gavel. Thank you. And to the parents, thank you for putting, making the introduction and allowing this collaborate with us on this. We appreciate you guys as well. Thank you so much. Okay, why don't we take a item E2 if we can, Ben Clark? Okay, that's a parking study by Romeo Valera. Mr. Manager or Mr. Riverall, did you want to introduce the item or? Thank you Mayor. As you know the city embarked upon a parking study, a parking consultant was selected to provide some analysis and insights into parking inventory operations and some suggestions and ideas for parking inventory. And this is a culmination of that. We're going to go over the draft report. It's certainly open to any questions that you may have. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Valera, you're recognized. Good evening. Thank you. Rome, Valera, THK consulting, thank you, Mr. Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners, Mr. Manager, staff. Before I start, I want to recognize an action that I witnessed as I sat here earlier today in the afternoon, which you should be very proud of. A young man by the name of Orion. I do not know Orion. He works for you guys in the maintenance department. And I watched him stop the truck from a resident who was asking for direction into the building. He stopped the truck, gave a direction, the lady seemed to be a little perplex about the direction. He got off the truck, he gave her further direction, she still was perplexed us to the directions. He walked the lady inside and took her exactly where she needed to be. I asked a man, as a young man, as he was walking out, and I said, excuse me me what is your name because I need to recognize this His name is Orienne with the maintenance department. I gotta tell you That was impressive. So you're well represented by that young man. So you should be very very proud of His actions so thank you for sharing that story so great. Yeah great to be associated with with this you know parking and 15 minutes don't go very well together associated with this parking and 50 minutes, don't go very well together. I mean, it's very difficult to talk about parking and keep that in a very succinct matter. But what I'm trying to cover today is, and I'll use as well the slides that I have here for me, so because I cannot read too far. But the goal of the study was again, an effort to create a greater master plan, evaluate the existing town center parking inventory, Austria and Austria. Look at the parking operations that are working efficiently and effectively. Also look at rate inventory enforcement. Consider current conditions and anticipate the development and then forward some recommendations. Highlighting here for you is the study area, so we are clear of what the focus was. And here is your existing parking supply and inventory broken down by streets for the on street, what we will refer to the on street. And also by on street, which is what the city either manages and Or owns Municipal garage included the bank lots east and west will be which will refer which you have an interlocal agreement to Provide the enforcement overall a little bit of our thousand parking spaces the breakdown between on street and on street You can see that it's a pretty, pretty well detailed. What are the findings from the, from the, from the car count, inventory, utilization on the weekdays, is that what we found over the period of time that we surveyed the area, the occupancy in the study area consists of approximately 609 spaces or 59% of the occupancy. So out of a thousand spaces, as you can see in the chart on top of that map, you can see the occupancy levels at the peak time between 2 and 3 pm. The map also highlights in the traffic-like colors, the red being in the areas where they had the maximum occupancy with levels of greater percent of 85 percent, and then the green where it was less than 55 percent of the occupancy. This was pretty much the pattern throughout the weekday overall car count. The weekend demand did not do was not any different than what we found doing the weekday. 66% of the occupancy was observed at around 8 p.m. on Friday and 68% around 12 p.m. on Saturday. The overall occupancy was also pretty consistent between some of the lots or the parking garage and the public right away spaces. One of the other tasks of the study was to look at future parking demand and adequacy. And we looked at two projects that are coming online or proposed to come online. Obviously the Avalon South Miami is well under construction. And Sunset Place will be the redevelopment of that existing project. In doing that, we look at no more economic population, growth, seasonal adjustments, given that our occupancy study was performed in July and then plan or anticipated future development. As you can see here when you look at the current parking demand as you know based on the peak occupancy of the weekday and weekend we've added some adjustments for growth we added some seasonal adjustments and those are all number of spaces. We established a future demand at about 700 and 1 spaces. Your existing supply of about 1,000, a little bit of 1,000. Effective supply reduction that means that we reduce 51 spaces is when someone takes over two spaces instead of one that reduces your inventory, someone misparks. So taking consideration that some people would do that or some vehicles would do that, then we effectively have a supply of 973 spaces. And if we look at what we've projected based on the occupancy in today's current environment, you have a surplus of about 272 spaces. However, as I share with you, we took in consideration the surface lots for the bank, East and West, which they have an inventory of about 205 spaces. If those lots were to be developed or redeveloped, then you will lose 205 spaces from the inventory, which then will put this adequacy and parking demand almost at a break even a point. The one unknown that we don't really, we cannot estimate really is what's the project, what could be the proposed project for the bank lots. Will the proposed project have parking, will provide parking for its current land use or land demand. Those things are unknown, but in any case that's kind of the where we land it with the future parking demand and inventory. Then we also looked at the parking enforcement program and we looked at data not only for the days that we counted, you know, that we did the inventory, but we also looked at a data that related throughout the past year. One of the benefits of the of the parking division is that we have here is the fact that your parking revenue collection is done all completely electronically or digitally by your payment mobile app. So we were able to look at months outside of July, compare it last few months, and kind of provide a bit of a breakdown as to when is the utilization happening throughout the day from a parking revenue perspective, but also when our citations being issued throughout the day from a parking perspective. And we highlighted that with different colors, red being the highest green being the lowest for the time of day and time of hour. highlighted that with different colors, red being the highest green being the lowest for the time of day and time of hour. We made some recommendations on the enforcement side. One is to consider reducing the time from four hours to two hours and mostly highly utilized streets, which we have the data to support that, you know, mostly utilized streets, streets that are occupied at 85% or greater. The reduction of hours just encourages the turnover to be a bit faster, they're more efficient. We've also made recommendations that the current enforcement hours be reduced and that the time that the PEOs are scheduled to be working those hours that they'll be earmarked to become more of an ambassadorial function and or focusing on public safety and or working to you know to just ensure that the area is, you know, that they're visible and that way provide a sense of security. We've kind of encouraged, you know, the division to continue to track, you know, summary reports related to ticket insurance by zone, by type, by PEO, et cetera. We've also made a recommendation to the currently the 10 minute parking space Great spirit to be you know spaces that are being provided that the increase to 15 spaces to allow for the delivery of and pick up of food commercial activity, etc And then also encouraging to that with the new system that the city will implement here very shortly is that you consider issuing warnings for first time violators to educate parkers on the city's parking policies, et cetera. Another one of the recommendations is when we looked at your residential parking permits, we've made a recommendation in particular to you know the city has about eight control parking residential zones is that you know that one of the areas just out on 58 and 74th there are multiple different zones there that could be somewhat confusing and it's also restricted to to balance the inventory and the demand that that zone be redesigned to become one zone in the program. Looking at your municipal rate comparison, we see where the South Miami is in comparison to neighboring cities and municipalities and you can see that the average in comparison to, you know, to South Miami, you're just a little bit below one of the notices or one of the things we notice is, again, the combination of on-street rates and off-street rates, if your on-street rates is as high as your off-street rate then, you're not really encouraging folks to go and park in in an off street location for a longer period of time. One of the recommendations is to work with the surface lock, the bank lot owners to consider reducing that rate from $10 to allow parkers to be able to park for less than the full amount of $10 for two hours or $10 for all day. So it's encouraging that continued use of that inventory that's available. On the parking technology side, clearly, you know, you are leading from the front as it relates to digital payments and the adoption of parking transactions through a digital parking app. So that's great. We've encouraged that that is extended to the other lots, like the bank lots right now that do not accept mobile payments. So that will be a use where a lot of the consumers will probably adopt pretty easily. Signage, digital signage and occupancy and municipal garage. We've made some recommendations as a relationship to the beautification and program of that. One of the other things that is you cannot ignore when you're doing a parking analysis or an inventory analysis really is what is the you know the share of parking opportunities. In many cases and many of the cities I work with and in my 30 years it's one of the issues one of the challenges is that there's not a lack of inventory what there is is a lack of shared inventory and and that's why we we felt that is important to highlight this inventory of parking that can be or is available and can be introduced to the public domain with you know well signed well advertised good programs and incentives for these owners to introduce the inventory. This 334 average availability, it's an recommendations that we noticed along the program, you have a very unique city logo and that could be coupled with parking signage in order to identify these locations and incentivize or promote the use of, particularly of the off-street parking inventory. We also looked at centralized value as one of our tasks. I can tell you that one of the benefits is it obviously increases convenience for consumers, but one of the challenges that we found here in the city is the traffic patterns are extremely tough to navigate as they're related to where you pick up, where you store and how you get cars to the customers. And part two of that is centralized values typically is subsidize benefit to the public, which means that there is extremely costly and here in South Miami one of the reasons that it will be even more costly is because you need more staff in order to supplement the difficulty and the length of time to pick up a car and drop off a car. Here's the facility enhancement. We feel again the city parking garage is the biggest parking asset obviously you own. I think you know that. It is, you know, we found it to be heavily underutilized, even under conditions where there is a couple hundred permits right now for construction workers from Monday through Friday they are working at the Avalon who are parking in the garage. So even if you remove that inventory, you know, this parking, this parking asset is pretty much underutilized. So there are opportunities to do this, to enhance this, the visibility of the structure, the entrance, that the walkability of enhance this, the visibility of the structure, the entrance, that the walkability of the structure, the connectivity of the structure, the parking asset into the neighborhood I think will be significant. We made some really clear recommendations on that matter. Last but not least, and I'm not going to read these, but the report has about 29 recommendations and they all fall from the parking enforcement, parking ordinance, parking fee, review, the parking technology, share of parking opportunities, parking wayfinding, parking communications, and parking facility enhancements. I'll open the floor for questions. Colleagues, any questions? So you know? Good. First of all, hi, thank you so much, great presentation. I was wondering if, I mean, I guess would we be able to use this for in future developments to really know what kind of parking we should be looking at when they come to us with a development agreement? Yeah, absolutely. I think, you know, in working with staff, it's clear that, you know, how we view this inventory and review the inventory and how the inventory kind of behaves. With the data you're collecting on your digital mobile payments, with the data you're collecting from a citation perspective, you put that data together, you can start to figure out an estimate. What is going to be our sweet spot as it relates to the inventory and how much inventory we have in order to support the economic growth that's coming to this area. Thank you. For the questions. Commissioner Lieben? Thank you. Just a comment. So, uh, commission, you know, I've always promoted art and activation and I, I brought a proposal to the commission to really activate the garage and enhance it with art with a local resident known and a farming local artist known the accomplished artist who would do it free of charge pay for supplies the biggest expense I believe was going to be the lift which Alex Vadea with Midtown development Sunset Place offered to provide and there's plenty of money maybe six figures left over in our our budget in the previous year. So maybe that's something we want to consider at this time. Just to help activate and draw attention to the garage. I'll leave a few meetings left. Yeah, I think one of the things that we've always talked about, we're spoken about, was how do we not only enhance and do a project grounds up from the garage respect to whether it's art and landscaping or signage I mean it's something that we definitely need to put more eyes on and emphasis as we move forward so this is a good start but there's a lot more to do with that garage. I do have a comment just to have one question of Mr. Valera and that is you mentioned the private inventory and other garages or lots. How would we go best about working with respect to the bank? We do manage their inventory through the last parking. Is similar range of what you're suggesting here as well? Yeah. Because there is a ton of surplus parking particularly in that office building on the west end of our town center all the weekends. Yeah. particularly in that office building on the West End of our town center all the weekends. Yeah, it's working directly with the, my approach will be to work directly with the property managers. And you know, and his, I think I worked really closely and Copernogrove, I remember not a few years ago, we worked with private owners and what we did is we designed a logo, we designed a parking, public parking logo, and we promoted their inventory as part of being part of the city's infrastructure. And it was welcome, because again, all they're trying to do is they're trying to generate more revenues, more parking revenues. So the fact that you're a partner in that promotion of public service, I think that's the way to go. Just by way of follow,, you also mentioned reducing the Entry Parking time from four to two hours. In the data, did you see a lot of parking utilization for longer than two hours? No, not significantly no. Okay, so that's just based on the occupancy rates along certain corridors. Occupancy rate and then because every transaction is on the app, you have the length of time that they buy on the app you have the length of time that they buy on the app so it's You know, it's pretty close to that two hours and that's why two hours. It's it's the sweet spot to turnover Turn over traffic. Thank you for that clarification Commissioner Lee been colleagues. I think you know Our parking garage has been a source of a lot of conversation the last couple years I think we should try and see if there's a way to prioritize the parking enhancements. Particularly the suggestion to add the walkway on the ramp, which is something I know I do. You, by default, use the ramp as a walkway up and into the garage, particularly the first level. I think just making that condition safe, given what is inevitable human behavior, makes a lot of sense. And Commissioner Lee, I think that would be buoyed in a way by actually adding the art to make that lock even more attractive. But I do agree that the way finding and signage is not really uniform. And so some uniformity there, those enhancements, and some art, I think, would be welcome additions. So I don't know how we want to proceed with those concrete items, but I'm open to suggestions. Yes, ma'am, you're recognized. When we're doing that whole study with plus Serbia, I don't know that we'd want to take this signage and run with it separately when they're working on that whole vision. So doing something and then having to do it again doesn't make it. It's an excellent point. So we'll take it. Yes sir, you recognize. Yeah, Vice Mayor to that point, we did share with Placervia because of the same reason that you're talking about. The town center advisory board looked at this topic of art to the garage and specifically the artists that Commissioner Lee made a talk about. So we should have a plus area for them to look at it and make sure they sort of, you know, maybe in sync and they're still doing their work so it's early on. So they didn't really see any conflict at this point but they would also, you know, would like to be able to participate in that conversation further if we're gonna move in that direction. Okay. Yes, sir, you recognize. Thank you. Just quickly, Ted, I believe the town center board, I think they recommended, right? The art and the garage unanimously and then the only other component of that is I know that we wanted the parking garage in a tons of place to mirror that and they've also agreed to do that. Okay. Okay. Any further questions, Mr. Valera? If not, thank you, sir, for your good work and final thoughts. Yeah, my final thoughts is again, to thank the city staff, Mr. Riverall, last parking, the transparency and availability of data was unquestionable from day one. So it was great working with this team and great working with you guys and I appreciate the opportunity for us to be a service. Thank you sir. How cooperative was Mr. Rimmerall? As cooperative as he always is. He promised pizza tonight so that's why. Thank you again sir. Madam Clerk, the next recognition item item you can read to the record please Recognize the Ryan Novak police department recruiting video chief. I think this is yours Chief you're recognized Air vice-americ commissioners. Just take this opportunity to recognize Ryan Novak as you all know nationally and even here locally police staffing shortages have been a challenge and when I came here I wanted to really look at how we're recruiting and ways to recruit maybe a little differently and then doing so back in June if I'm drawing your attention back to that time frame. I had partnered with Ryan at a University of Miami student to develop a recruitment video humanizing the badge. And we were able to recognize him via Zoom, because he'd already left for the break, but take this opportunity to recognize him now with a Chiefs Award. So we hereby honor Ryan Novak with the Chiefs Award and recognition for your passion and commitment and community service in humanizing the badge through video filming, editing, and production for the South Miami Police Department, sign Chief Rio Hatfield, June 2024. Thank you, Ryan. Thank you very much. We appreciate all your hard work on our behalf. Applause I would like to extend my deepest thank you to Chief Hatfield as well as the rest of the South Miami Police Department for being a pleasure to work with and for Trust me with this opportunity and for you as well for trusting me with this. So it was a pleasure to work with you and I'm excited to see where this video goes. Great. Go, guys. Colleagues, let's take a picture up front. I'm going to go to the next slide. Okay, Ben Clark, are there any add on items for tonight's agenda? No, they are not. Thank you. Can I get a motion for the approval of the minutes of September 3rd, 2024, the special meeting and the regular meeting of September 3rd, 2024? I move the motion. Second. The motion by Commissioner Coyote and the second by Commissioner Cory. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll, please. Yes, Commissioner Coyote. Yes. Commissioner Cory. Yes. Commissioner Lehman. Yes. Vice-member Nish. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. Vice Member Neige. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. Minutes passed. 5-0. Thank you. Mr. Manager, report, please. Our deputy manager is going to present. And I'm deputy manager, you're recognized. Welcome. Thank you, Mayor. On the septic to sewer project designs plans for the pump station were approved. The city's been in direct contact with those residents and other managers been out there several times. Speaking to the residents, working with the crew and we will continue to offer them updates on our newsletter and if anybody wants to be a part of that newsletter, you can send an email to septic2sure at southmyamethl.gov and we will incorporate that email address into the newsletter to give them updates. I'm sorry, I'm interrupting it. I just got to make a mention that I just want to appreciate the patients on behalf of the residents that we know there's a very difficult and disruptive project and certainly impacts quality of life. And so we recognize that we appreciate them working with us and we're trying to do the best we can to make modifications in what's a very difficult infrastructure project. At times currently they're down 16 feet, have to work with divers underwater and it's just it's a dirty messy very disruptive project so I just a message to the residents and saying thank you. On the garage concrete repairs are ongoing so we're currently on phase five that's on the third floor on the north side those repairs are gonna run through September 27th when we'll move to phase six of nine and that goes on the south side of level 3. So we'll continue to alert area businesses where the progress is going with the garage so they know for their customer parking as well as their staff parking. And on behalf of city staff I also wanted to send our consultants to the Gill family and pray for them during this difficult time. At the end of the manager's report. Thank you, Madam Manager. Any questions to the deputy manager? Commissioner Gai, you recognize? Thank you, Mayor. Just one thing that I want to bring up maybe in the next commission meeting city managers, maybe talk about the updates on annexation so we can update the city and see how we can progress online. Certainly, and we're planning a second date to share information with the community. We had the one date, and we're gonna have another one because many people were out of town, so we're working on a date for that. Just to record Mr. Melendi's only invited to that meeting if you agrees to vote for the annexation. So, there we go. Anyhow. With friends. With friends. Madam manager and the staff I as a resident of the district I want to say thank you for your patience It's been a trying project so far, but because of the nature of the work Honestly, it's not for a lack of effort in our parts and make it as a combination as possible My hats off to the contractor to all of you. Thank you, Mr. Manager and the staff Nelson for putting a face A great face to the city in some very difficult moments. People don't understand what it means to have their sway all owned by the city and not privately and seeing people destroy their side. All that will be repaired as we've communicated and I appreciate the diligent communication, the creation of the newsletter an email it certainly has gotten some much needed Clarification out to residents so they know what's happening. So thank you. Thanks to all of you Mr. City Attorney Madam City Attorney report, please we are sounds report this evening. Thank you. We appreciate that Madam clerk are there any is anyone signed up for public remarks? Does anyone who'd like to address this commission on any topic now is a time for public remarks please come forward To the podium Is there anyone who'd like to address the commission at this time? Mr. McCants good evening. You're welcome. You're welcome. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Commissioners, City Manager, just wanted to make this point clear on my application for the CRB. There was a mistake on that application and you want everybody to know because I got a lot of calls. I am a registered voter. Okay. Everybody you don't know because I got a lot of calls. I am a registered voter. OK. I wanted to say I was Russian when they sent me the application. And I was involved in a four-year project to honor my late wife. And this was involving getting her name on the new wall for Make a Wish foundation building downtown. So that was done Friday and it was a great event. Congratulations. Yeah, so I was rushing and I didn't put that right there. So I can attest you being a registered voter, having not turned a house multiple elections. So thank you, sir. Just want to make that clear for anybody that's watching. And thank you for your service on the board. All right, man. Thanks, sir. Just want to make that clear for anybody that's watching. And thank you for your service on the board. All right, then. Thanks, James. Good evening, ladies. If you're naming matters for the record, please. Thank you. Good evening. We're Christina Dalma, Armando Torres. And thank you for having us here today. We're here to, we're the organizers of the South Miami Kids Marketplace happening on October 12th. And first of all, we want to say that we couldn't be here on a better day because our motivation is to, well, our aim is to motivate kids to turn their ideas into action in a one day marketplace. So when we saw Vanessa, a city and I'm sorry. And we said this is the best day for us to be here in case you have any questions regarding the kids market place. That's item number six on the resolutions today. Thank you very much. Any further remarks? Seeing no one else in the chamber, Madam Clerk, is there anyone online? No one's online. Okay, so we'll go ahead and close public remarks Commissioners we typically would skip lower commission reports, but Commissioner Leibman I guess given the circumstances we want to acknowledge you and maybe say a couple of words on behalf of your former colleague Yes, certainly Thank you, Mayor. First thing I'd like to say, maybe on a lighter note is when you come into the end of prox of approximately, right? Never know how many meetings will pack in there, but three meetings remaining after serving the city for 12 years and nine months. And I can tell you something, if you wait for something in the right time and government, it just won't happen. So I bought this t-shirt for the mayor, said bad puns or how I roll, EYE. And I shared that with the city manager probably a year ago. But I did not, unlike, will spoke before me, I did not choose the right time to wear the shirt. There's just a limited amount of time left. But what I have tried to do up here is, since I've been up here, his government oftentimes can be complex and maybe even a little boring. I've always tried to bring levity to the day. Not just for community engagement, but also for a wonderful South Miami team and for my colleagues on the days and I've tried to illustrate what we do up here to further engage the public. And I remember the first time someone called me a flip flop where I came to the next meeting with flip flops. So, but and that's I do have something also like to say in terms of public comments we had a charrette the other day in relation to an item I've been championing years back as I can remember which is place making to really activate sunset drive and create an identity in a brand for the city. And in place making it essentially a streetscape, we had a Shuret, Shurets, or basically a town hall meeting with community input. And Shuretsy's be very popular before my time, it was since my time, again over 12 years. It was the most active and engaging, our most well-attended engaging sure that we've had. Every table was full, every seat was full, and everyone was participating. So that was something that was really nice to see. And hopefully that's a sign of great things to come here in the city. So for all of those that were involved in that, I want to thank you. And in, sorry, it's something that that's certainly more difficult to speak about, it would be lost a tremendous community servant and lost a dear friend yesterday at two o'clock. I was with Commissioner Lewis Gill when he passed. So it's the heavy heart to recognize Commissioner Gill and extend our condolences or deepest condolences to his family. Services will be held in a week at Epiphany at 10 a.m. So next Tuesday at 10 a.m. for anyone that would like to show their support for Commissioner Gill and if the commission would indulge in the city manager call and I other thing I'd like to say is this commission absolutely did the the right thing by naming the gymnasium. And I really appreciate the support after Lewis. And it just wasn't a recognition of Lewis as far as legacy and his daughter who plays volleyball there. And that was just four weeks ago. And two weeks ago, the Mayor Daniel of Incava's office issued a proclamation. So we're also very appreciative of that. And not more than two weeks later, of the state of the state. I'm not sure if it's going to be a lot of work to do with the state of the state. I'm not sure if it's going to be a lot of work to do with the state of the state of the state. I'm not sure if it's going to be a lot of work to do with the state of the state. I'm not sure if it's going to be a and Dolge made like to, uh, I'd like to read it. Thank you. Uh, Lewis Joseph Gill was a lot of things. Lewis was a father, a husband and brother and son. Lewis was a high school basketball player and world traveler. Lewis was South Miami. I had the honor of serving with Commissioner Gill from 2018 through 2022. We set on opposite sides of the dayus and at times our positions paralleled our seats. Truthfully, I did not get to know Lewis until following the 2022 election. We would meet to walk in the mornings after Lewis dropped his daughter off at school and went to the South Miami gym. Ironically we would walk on the path at Don Tiefacelle, which was my very first initiative, and we would walk the path at Fuchs, which Lewis championed. So I literally and figuratively walked the path of Lewis Gill. As Elder Civic Servants, we reflect on the stresses and struggles of serving our special South Miami, the market, family, the future. I walked away from every one of our walks with a more thoughtful and thorough perspective. I write this with tears in my eyes and a broken heart. Lewis undoubtedly made me a better person. Lewis sacrificed to make South Miami a better place. I will miss Lewis. South Miami a better place. I will miss Lewis. South Miami will miss Lewis. So thank you again and 10 a.m. next Tuesday at Epiphany. Thank you Commissioner and sorry for your personal loss and for those who don't know we're all grateful for you for all the love and all the friendship you extended to him here in his most critical hour. It's certainly did not go in notice by me. Colleagues, any further public remarks or comments? Seeing none, we will move on. Can I get a motion on item N1 please? And clerk need to read them to the record. Yes. The CRB members have nominated James McHans to serve as a member of the CRB for two years term in the September 17, 2026 and for an interest assessor's appointment whichever occurs first as per a court of order section 2-26.6 EE.2. Thank you. Is there a motion on item 1? I'd like to move the item. Is there a second? Second. There's a motion by Commissioner Cory and a second by Commissioner Leeman-Madam Clerk if you can call the roll. Yes, Commissioner Coyote. Yes. Commissioner Cory. Yes. Commissioner Leeman. Yes. By the way, one knee. Yes. May our Fernandez. Yes. commission of Lehman. Yes. five million. Yes. May I have a minute. Yes. I'm class is fine. Thank you. If you can read item N2 into the record please. Mr. Mayor I'd like to defer that item. Okay. Let's have a read it and then we'll entertain the motion. Thank you. Thank you. The CRB members have nominated Sally Phillips to serve as November the CRB for two years time in the September 17, 2026 on to the successor is the point that which ever occurs first as for a code of board in section two dash 2626 E2. Thank you commission. Even your recognized for your motion. Yes, I would I'd like to defer this item. Okay. Is there a second? Second. So a motion to defer item N2 and a second by commissioner. I may actually. Yeah, I actually, I mean, I want to ask the commission support to strike this down. It is it's public record. We have numerous emails from the nominated person. Why don't we, why don't we just, if you're indulgence, I think we have a motion on the floor in a second. You want to withdraw it? Or do you want to keep it? I'd like to see where the votes are. And I'd like to, so we as public record, we have numerous emails from this person. So you're withdrawing your motion? No, I'll withdraw my motion and bring it back. OK, so is there a motion item in one? Do you want to enter another motion? Because you would throw your first one, so that motion dies for lack of a sponsor so you're are you proposing in a new motion sir? Yeah, I'd like to move that we vote this item down because you like them It's like to deny or suggest a denial of the appointment of Salihop to see our me. So is there a second? Just a work here. We're voting on we're voting to take this off of the agenda to remove the point. Okay. Okay. We're motion by Commissioner Leven, a second by the vice mayor. Why don't you? Certainly. So this is a nomination for the community relations board and I know the sponsor was actually well-intended and I think it was right. I think maybe their heart was in the right place, but when this person was in office, they represent the city and it's a public record. We have numerous emails for this person that created numerous problems for the city. This city and every other city, 34 municipalities are represented by the Miami-Degliga cities. That's just to name a few. There were numerous emails, which were very confrontational and critical of the Miami-Dade League of Cities, which in turn contributed to South Miami, losing goodwill that we had built over numerous years with the Miami-Dade League of Cities, and we need that support and representation. And I don't want to go any further, but we all know that the concerns of having this person represent us. Thank you for your comments. Christopher Corrie, since it's your item, we'll recognize you next. Yeah, so I would have been in favor of deferring it considering perhaps the outcome. The original intention was, of course, the former mayor had founded the board, and it did want to activate it, get it meeting more on different items. So I certainly understand if it's a little to defer, I probably wouldn't support striking it, but it's a little of the commission. Further comments? I would prefer to defer it as well, that's okay with the commission. Go back to your original. Leave the business. I just for the sake of Harmony I would prefer to defer as well. No problem. So we can certainly call the role that's your preference Commissioner Lehman or we can you can withdraw and we can draw the item and move to defer. Okay. We have a motion by commission. I'm second by the vice mayor. Madam clerk, if you can call the role please. Yes. Commissioner Lehman. Yes. I'm going to give you a call. I'm going to give you a call. I'm going to give you a call. I'm going to give you a call. I'm going to give you a call. I'm going to give you a call. I'm going to give you a call. I'm going to give you a call. I'm going to give you a call. I'm going to give you a call. I'm going to give you a call. The specific plus contract, CA2, is the contract to award for the construction of two traffic circles at 76 and 61st Avenue and 77th Harrison 58th Avenue. Oh. Yeah, I don't have the same numbers as you may have. I'm sorry. Oh, the O items, O1 and O2. One, well there's three of them. There are. I'd like to discuss item three. Okay. Okay, so you're, you want to move one and two? If there's a without objection, there's a motion for one and two. I'd like to entertain it now. Thank you. Is there a second? A second. Okay, Madam Clerk, if you can read items one and two into the right place. Yes, I don't mind a resolution of the Man City Commission, the City of South Man and Florida, approved with a renewal of services with Civic Plus, LLC for website hosting, support and mobile application integration for a one year period in amount, not to see $58,740 and 74 cents. Item two, a resolution selecting and awarding a contract for construction to V engineering corps for the construction of traffic circles at Southwest 76 Terries and Southwest 60 first Avenue and Southwest 77 Terry's and Southwest 58th Avenue Avenue in amount not to see 828,328 dollars and 74 cents. Thank you Madam Clerk. Any questions or comments or discussion related to them? One and two. Seeing none. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll, please. Yes, Commissioner Calle. Yes. Commissioner Corrine. Yes. Commissioner Lee-Man. Yes. Vice-member Nish. Yes, Mayor Fernandez. Yes. Councilor Patz-5-0. Great. We'll leave item three for the moment, colleagues. I believe item eight has passed before without discussion or comment. And, Clark, can you read item eight into the record please? Item eight in ordinance, amen the article three, zoning regulations, sections 20-3.3D, permitted use schedule of the land development code to allow you merchandise establishment within the low entity office district. Thank you, Madam Clerk. This is a public hearing item. Are there any disclosures required or it's just legislative in nature? So thank you. This is a public hearing item on item eight. Any member of the public would like to address this commission on the occlusion of use merchandise establishments within the low intensity office district. Please come forward at this time. Seeing no one in the audience, Madam Clerk, is there anyone online? There's no one online. Thank you. We'll go ahead and close the public hearing then. Is there a motion on item eight, please? I'll move it. Is there a second? I'll move it. A motion by Vice Mayor Moniche and a second by Commissioner Cahier. Seeing no discussion, Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll please. Yes, Commissioner Cahya. Yes. Commissioner Corry. Yes. Commissioner Lehman. Yes. Vice Mayor Bonit. Yes. Item passes 5-0. Countlings, by my quick accounting, we've got a discussion item on school's own enforcement. We have the resolution on the architectural, our landscape master plan contract. We've got a resolution on curbside recycling on a parking discount program for city residents on the support for the SOMI kids marketplace and on city hall. Okay. We want to take up five and six. Madam Clerk, why don't you read item five into the record please? Yes, item five. A resolution establishing a parking discount program for the city residents, many of the schedule fees and fines to create a resident parking rate. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Commissioner Coyle, I believe this is your record. Yeah, as a form to establish more of our residents coming back to our hometown district and with the new abilities and of our new application that we've currently updated, I think it's fair that we start rewarding and given the opportunity for our residents to come back to our hometown by reducing the rate at parking for our current residents. So that's the premise of what we're trying to do here. Just to clarify, we couldn't do it before. So now we have the opportunity with the software. And I think it would be a good introduction to start getting people back here. Good word of mouth, making sure that we do all these changes that we wanna go do. So why not start with our residents first? Great, good suggestion. I just have a couple questions on the, if anyone else does as well, recognize you as well. Okay. Give me sure is this intended applied about the on street and off street inventory or just one or the other? My intention wants to do it on and off, but I'm open to suggestions. Okay, and we just do we have, we have the inventory, that's why I'm saying we should just do it for now. I agree, so, but just we just kind of completed the budget process. Do we have a sense of what the fiscal impact would be on adopting the program in either form? 75,000 dollars. Okay. That's all I wanted to do. Colleagues for the questions? Yes, your recognition. I'd like to thank Commissioner Cuy for bringing this forward. My question would be, again, we just finished our parking study in like, you know, what the consultants input would be, again we just finished our parking study and like, you know what the consultants and would be, and then I really don't think, I know the estimates 75,000, but I don't think it'd be that great of an impact if we limited to the garage. Okay, further discussion or comments? Mr. Cory? And vice mayor? I'm happy about idea to have a beat of garage. Would you agree to that? I think that if we push more demand onto the streets, it will push obviously the demand of access and bring more people to the garage. So I think that's my intent there. But I'm okay with the World of Commission. You recognize that? The only reason that I tend to agree with him is because when we look at the parking study where we have the biggest use above 88% is on that street in that area. So, push them towards the garage would be I think a better idea than kind of taking away where we're seeing revenue because we've dropped it now. Thank you, President. Can we just leave in your rack? Just use your experience. If consumers driving, they don't find a spot in sunset. They may drive elsewhere. If it's bringing someone here is a discounted rate, it's incentivizing and subsidizing. Right? Something. Something for nothing. So, it dropped to the garage. I'm good either way. Mr. Rob, an operational question if I can. I mean, obviously we have a ton of capacity, typically within the garage, that we want to take advantage of. And I think this is a great idea in terms of providing residents an incentive. But we also is a great idea in terms of providing residents an incentive But we also have a fair amount of capacity on streets other than sunset and 73rd so if we wanted to Basically make this available to every ever all the parking spaces on street with the exception of Sunset and 73rd is that something that's operation feasible? Absolutely Absolutely, the zones are broken down on purpose that way not for this program But every street has its own zone Okay, so we can have the garage it has its own zone lobby has its own zone. So we can designate certain zones The half capacity to implement this. Yes. Let me recognize, Commissioner Corrie, I'll come back to you, Commissioner Lieben. My only concern here, and I mean, we've done this before, is sort of trying to incentivize use of the garage or having very specific areas makes the marketing and advertising messages kind of complicated. Like we had a lower rate for the garage for quite some time and really very few people even realized that even with the marketing dollars behind it even when we put promotion. So I just feel like if we had a simpler offer it would incentivize people. Commissioner Leibon, you're right. Sorry, I have a different perspective. If you're marketing it and you're limiting it, it's much easier just to the garage. I don't see the complication with marketing. Also everyone in this commission has expressed increasing the usage and activation of the garage. This is a good way to do it. So what are we doing? We're increasing usage from the airity we're creating we're creating habit and what was another concern. People aren't drawn to the garage because Dear friend the vice mayor sits to my rights as women are uncomfortable in parking garages So by having more cars and more traffic it creates a higher comfort level as well So I think it's a win-win if we limit it to the garage because we're increasing activity We're making people more familiar with the garage and creating habit and hopefully Where we're encouraging a residence to frequent their commercial area. A bit of my screen. You wanted to see something? No, he said it. Okay. Okay. Mr. Chicae, would you like to move it as is? I would. Okay. Is there a second? I'll second it. Okay. Further discussion? Okay. I would okay is there a second I'll second it okay further discussion Okay, I'm clerk with call the roll on adopting it as is Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I Fernandez yes, yes, thank you, and again, we the fiscal is more than we estimate I just would ask our CEO to let us know so we can reconsider the policy make sure it does not get away from us okay I think we'll get we'll just make sure if you can track it every couple of months for us please and make it part of the managed report thank you sir I'm sure I'm Rove will be the most sensitive person to seeing huge revenue reductions in that line item. So, yeah. He's very vigilant. A parking incident. As our parking enforcement policy historically is demonstrated. Okay, would they take up item six? Would you say dynamic? Yeah, no, it's dynamic scoring for sure. So there we go. I'm Clark, if you can read item six, please. Yes, item six, a resolution improvement of the rising of waiver, certain event related fees and cost in the amount of $2,472.75 for student to section 15B, there are six of the city code for a special event known as the SOMI Kids Marketplace presented by the Key Biscayne Community Foundation Inc. to be held on Saturday, October 12, 2024. Thank you. Commissioner Cuyahley, this is your item as well. As you guys know, I've been really trying to champion as much of kids' financial literacy and kids' involvement in education throughout the city. This is my third time dealing with young ladies from Kibiskein. As they do the marketplace, my first endeavor was at Coconut Grove. They bring over 50 tents, probably close to 2 to 3,000 people attended. It's a great event last year. Our first annual South Miami Show Me kids market was a huge success. We had a lot of people, a lot of kids, and it continues to get better. We're gathering kids from all schools around the area. Last year we did it at Sunset Place, and then this year we want to incorporate it with the marketplace that we have later in the afternoon that same day. So I just thought it'd be a really good piggyback way to move forward with this particular market as we move forward into the next couple of years. Commissioner Zanickall, any questions of Commissioner Kaya? Hi, Mr. Cory. I just wanted to mention that last year, I thought it was amazing. I really wasn't 100% tried seeing the advertisements, but when we went there, it was just great. Just great entrepreneurial spirit from the kids. And I bought a bunch of stuff. You could not. They were just really pitching you. So it was great of that. This year we're incorporating at area stage. We're incorporating kids. What's it called, the rock? School of Rock. A little rock, right? I don't know if you guys have any questions, but she's there here too, so if you want to ask a question. Yeah, Madam Vice, I'm here. I have a comment and not having anything to do with this event in particular, just having to do with fees in general. I think we need to revisit this fee and how we deal with fees because we either need to get, of it. I mean we see this now every single meeting and I sound like a jerk over and over again because we continue to wave fees for things that we either shouldn't be charging are overcharging for things that should not be waived like human capital that costs the city money. So I think for lack of having to say time number 3,077, we need to get on the same page, come up with a solution of what we're going to do. So we don't find ourselves here over and over and over again. And if that is that we are going to waive everything except for an application fee or we're not even going to charge an application fee, we need to come to an agreement on what that's going to be guys because I think we look foolish every time that something like this comes up here and it's unfortunate that we're having this conversation as it relates to something that is such a cool event. But it would be remiss I I think, of all of us not to have this conversation. Through the mayor. Yes, your recommendation, sir. So Vice Mayor, that's absolutely correct. You know, we didn't incorporate it this year as I should have, as continuing on events, because I want to make sure it's recurring. Because last year we did a tons of place, so we didn't have the same thing. So that's my fault. I'll make sure that moving forward, it's on there. So thank you for bringing that up. And it's not even you or this. It's not even a thing having to do with this event. No, it's the same thing. The public discussion we had in the last meeting where we discussed the way where I have the same concern. of real costs for people that we haven't budgeted. So again, I'll support the whole commission here, but I do share your concern. These things very quickly add up. So if we want to create a reserve of $25,000, and once we expend it, we expend it, that's fine. But we should have some sort of guard rails around what we're doing in terms of waivers for direct costs. You know, and I think that's a great idea and I think that we should say things that we're just going to get rid of. Like, I think we end up charging things that aren't real. Real. You know, so I would love it if we could come to an agreement. Like, we'll follow whatever you guys want on this. But if we make it $25,000, we might as well waive most of it for everybody because that's, I think, what it comes down to at the end of the day. I think if we could please ask, finance to say, hey, what have we waived in the past year? And what is a real cost on what isn't and at the next meeting we can make that decision and be done with this so that we don't continue to have this conversation if that's okay with you guys. Three, yeah, sure. Okay. No, I agree. So, you know, as we continue to try to see how we can improve the hometown district and ideas in creative. I agree with you. I think we should have a budget in place moving forward with different ideas so we can try. I agree with that. And I think we also have people shy away from doing things because we have unrealistic costs associated to certain things. Can we should leave in anything? Just provide some context. Vice Mayor's Defense. She's brought this topic up on numerous occasions. She's brought an item up to support that on more than one occasion. Everyone votes it down. And then when these items come up, we wave everything and then everyone says, I may they say that they agree with the vice mayor, but yet when it comes to doing something, the item has been voted down. So. I did vote down the item, but I did pay direct cost the last time so before I Agree I think this is I did we've talked about this before The only time I've supported design it was with respect to the arts festival where we actually have contributed direct cost but We have a motion to approve is there a second Mr. Guy you moved the item correct. I will now. Okay. Is there a second? Second okay second by commissioner Cory and we're looking to approve the whole cost I will now. Okay. Is there a second? Second. Okay. Second by Commissioner Corrie. And we're looking to approve the whole past. I believe he's moving it as presented. Okay. Madam Vice, I'm sorry. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll, please. Yes. Commissioner Coyne. Yes. Commissioner Lieben. Yes. Vice Mayor Boone. Yes, yes, on the premise that we'll get this settled for next time. Please Mayor Fernandez. Yes, I don't pass it's five zero. I'll need to remember this next meeting. Mr. Mayor, I look forward to your paperwork. We do and we look forward to the event. Thank you. Because you look forward to me now talking about it again. No, no, I I want I do want to have these conversations any longer. So agree. Colleagues, where do we want to go next? 47 or 3? Or M1? You've got folks in the audience here on number 7. I believe we have folks in the audience here on number 3. If you want to, I'll take that one up very quickly. Yes. And Clark, if you can read, read item three in the record, please. Item three, a resolution selecting middle-leg associates in for the landscaping master plan services for students or request for qualifications number PL 2024-909 in amount of $200,000. Thank you, Madam Clerk. The reason I pulled the item and again Miller lag is a great firm a multi-disciplinary firm In a great job on our Park's master plan in the past I did find it a little in Congress that we selected a full service firm over a landscape architecture firm You know exclusive by taking in the recommendations and I didn't know if anyone else was Any questions or comments about the staff recommendation. I've talked it over a little bit with various members of the selection committee kind of understand some of their thinking. You know, some of it, you know, I think from a qualification standpoint everyone was pretty much on par. There are a few things in terms of outreach and that seemed to be the difference in the point scoring. I didn't know if this board wanted to have, this has been an important item for us. And I want to make sure we've got the selection right. There were not oral presentations here. I didn't know if we wanted to invite back, both Miller and Lang. And I would suggest Curtis Rogers to do a quick presentation at the next meeting and then we could decide to make an award on the contract. If everyone's comfortable with recommendation, I'm happy to move the item as presented, but just wanna hear your thoughts. Through the mayor. Yes, sir. So can you talk about what you've heard the reference to having just a dedicated landscape harbor versus a full service and what your intentions is with your motion? You know, I think at the very least, I'd like to, we've talked a lot about this over the last year and wanting to make sure that we pick the firm that, you know, met our, that could help us execute our vision in terms of improvements, particularly the right of way, and surplus public spaces. And, you know, it's hard for me to not having been in the room during the scoring to really appreciate what the differences were in the scoring on some of the more minor issues that seem to be the difference. On one score sheet, a substantial amount of the points difference was based on their public outreach approach. Again, we've asked for, we're looking at something that's single discipline focused, and we had three responses from multidisciplinary firms. Again, it's not a question of competence, but I just didn't know if we were worth least having our own vetting of the vetting so we can Sign off on this recommendation without any reservations. That was my that was my thinking but again I don't I mean I our staff has looked at it. I don't you know, I don't want this to be a Long or flavored conversation. Yes, ma'am. Go ahead So the difference in the scoring was in the Did you say public outreach? That was one thing that jumped out. I mean, the scoring. There were other differences, depending on who scored it for different reasons. Our landscape, this wouldn't necessarily be going up to the public. I believe that there was in the solicitation some expectation that we would solicit public feedback on proposed designs and improvements. Why would we be doing that? We would solicit public feedback on proposed designs and improvements. Why would we be doing that? That was the way the solicitation was designed. In somebody shed some light on that. That doesn't make any sense to me. On why we would be reaching out to the public in asking them what they would want the landscaping to look like for the city. So one thought would be that or the way it could be done for example we have the green task force that has provided recommendations to the city previously on other landscaping matters so that could be public participation meaning like a city committee and any like the plus erbia design process, right? There could be things that they come forward with and recommendations that we could see some input from individuals in that field. So those are the types of public participation you could have. I'm, I'm, I, okay. I just think that if we hire somebody for that has an expertise in landscape architecture, we should be able to trust what they're saying we should do. I mean the idea that we would ask, I'm sorry, but the green task force is what you use for example, that we should be asking the green task force, what they think about what a landscape architect is giving us. We might as well not ask the landscape architect. So I'm struggling with that. I think that when we ask a professional to bid and that professional gives us a package, we can choose to accept or not accept and then let them do their job. Madam Vice Chair, I think that could be our express preference. I think, you know, it's not uncommon as we're doing with the place making process to solicit feedback as well, right? No, I understand, but ultimately it's going to impact people's appreciation for the right way. And so, let's, if we were to put things on a scale and we were to say the overall what plus Serbia is doing and what is happening in a traffic circle. I think it would be fair to say that there's a market difference. I think that where we are with landscaping and where we want to be. Yeah, but you had a competent plan. That's what we're looking for. Yeah, and then I don't think that we need. The same amount of public engagement. No, I don't think we need public engagement when it comes to landscaping. I think we're borrowing trouble from a place we don't need to. Okay. Mr. Cori, you're recognized. I do think it's probably a good idea to see the two candidates if that doesn't disrupt the process and doesn't delay it too much. The community outreach though was only like 5% I think. It was, yeah. So I don't know how big of a change would have made one way the other, but seeing them, I mean, I know that's a, especially this issue is very in near and dear to you, Vice Mayor said I think it'd be good for us to get this one right. It is. You would brought it up virtually, right? Thank you. Can we share the leave in box? Yes, thank you, Mayor. To feedback one thing, the Vice Mayor said, well, the green task force may help us with zero escape and natives. There is no design component. And what we're really looking for is design. Now, that's it. I'm next meeting. I'm going to be happy to appoint many allons to the green task force. So when this item comes forward, I'm not sure I'll be here. But one thing I'd like to ask the commission and staff to include is, is I don't know about cousin Vinny, but of a friend Vinny who's on the board of fair child gardens, and they've offered to consult free of charge and work hand in hand with the landscape architect of this commission's choice, and also provide orchids to complement that and add some color, also free of charge. Mayor, I'm going to ask that you pursue that. I introduced you to to Vinnie yesterday and you could hand that off to someone else on the commission but I'd like to see that incorporated into the to the item that the firm we choose will work with with Fairchild and Fairchild will not step on anyone's toes there there's there to be resource. Yeah so thank you colleagues do we want to prove the item is recommended or do we want to table it and ask? Another leg and Chris Rogers to come back is again, let's want to land the plane quickly. We can Thoughts Mary it seems like you are More passionate on the landscaping stuff you so if that's what you want to do We'll do our father you on this one on this I move that we table the item and Mr. Berriff you can ask both both parties to come back and give us a short presentation at the next commission meeting on October 1st so we can make a final selection I'll move that second okay the motion by myself is second to defer the item to October 1 so we can have a quick lower presentation. Madam clerk, if you can call the roll please. Commissioner Lee-Min. Yes. Vice-imple knees. Yes. Commissioner Cory. Yes. Commissioner Cahier. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. Mayor Zero to table. Thank you. Mayor just to clarify the cone of silence is reimposed. Correct. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. By the way, Mr. State Attorney, is that something we can revisit after we have a manager's recommendation on this and item 7, for example? Say both cones work the same way, correct? Yes, the same way. Okay. The same way. That's a pretty, another jurisdiction, customary once the manager's recommendation, we can have conversation with the response. And I apologize to the folks from lower life we're here. No offense is intended in my comments. I just cannot even ask you these questions beyond speaking to our staff. So that's certainly once we have a recommendation. I don't know if this policy body would like to have the flexibility to speak to respondents. At that point in time, I certainly would prefer to have it. I'd like to give, if agree the city attorney the direction of the provides our procurement ordinance or you have that ability if that's the if that's where you want to go Okay, well, let's put let's put this in discussion. I don't want a future agenda perfect. Thank you Let's take up item seven and clerk if you can read that for the record please 7 4 and and one. Item 7, a resolution of the mayor and city commission of the city of softening for the selecting and awarding 13 for me at so many LLC for the city of softening me city hard redevelopment project was the one to request for proposals number CS and 2024 that is 08 authorized in the city manager to negotiate all unnecessary ground these and or development agreements for the project. the 2020-24-108 authorizing the city manager to negotiate all necessary ground-leaves and or development agreements for the project. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Mr. Vanner, did you want to give us a quick overview and then we'll maybe hear from the respondent? Yes, Mayor. Vice Mayor Commissioner, thank you. I'll just tee it up a little bit and then turn it back to you. As you know, on June 3rd, 2024, the city issued a solicitation for firms interested in submitting proposals for a redevelopment of this site. That at a minimum would include a civic building, deemed qualified and moved forward and then we subsequently issued an RFP request for proposal and of which at that time we ended up with two proposals at that stage of the process. One of which was deemed non-responsive so we ended up with one respondent being 13th floor. We had set up an evaluation committee. They met on August 6th along with our external consultants and representative from Miami Day County. I know we have Ms. Thompson here from Capital Programs Director for the Library and thank you, Ms. Thompson, for being here. They are a participating partner due to our interlocal agreement as it relates to redeveloping this site. Committee met on August 6 subsequent subsequent to that the chair of that committee forwarded a recommendation to me. I held an internal meeting along with our city attorney and internal staff and our consultants to discuss and debrief on the presentation made by 13 floor to the committee and get some guidance from other consultants that we have brought on to the team to help evaluate this process and give us some analysis. Subsequent to that, we did conduct a Q&A question and answer session. With 13th floor, it was not a negotiation because there had not been an award just to clarify and go through some things that we had further questions on. So what's before you today, after a consultation with our internal team and looking at the committee meeting and the proposal, our team felt that there was enough of a framework to move this forward for your consideration, to direct us, to move towards negotiation with 13th floor. With the caveat, and I'm not going to go through all the points in the memo, there are certain things that we have already mentioned through the Q&A that we had further questions that are things that would be sorted out through a negotiation. Obviously, the proposal and there's representatives here from 13th floor, they can certainly address this body and answer questions tonight. The proposal submitted was a mixed-year proposal of which included civic building with a library on the ground floor in City Hall and police headquarters all within that same envelope. And then part of that first phase, a residential component of about 335 units and then there was a phase two. And the way they proposed it, they would phase build a new building, we would stay in operation and once that building is built we will move in and then it would come in and demolish this site and move into phase two. So again I felt after talking to our team internally that there was enough there to bring this forward to you and to have a conversation with a lot of things that would have to be flushed out through a negotiation. And if that is the will of this body to engage in conversation and or ask questions and 13 for certainly here in Kinshed further light on their proposal but we we're excited about the prospect of possibly moving to the next phase and maybe having such one of the important projects for this city for many years to come as it relates to the real development of this site and certainly the much needed improvements in new City Hall and Police headquarters. So I certainly available for questions and the attorney as well and as I mentioned there's representatives of 13 for here available for you as well. Thank you Mr. Manager colleagues any questions of the manager? Yes, Madam Vice-Maria. So just to clarify what we're voting yes or no on this evening is just the ability to continue forward. Correct, Vice-Maria. You're not approving any terms of the deal. At this point it's just authorizing further negotiation of land lease and or development agreement with 13th floor. Can we be sure that I recognize? of land lease and or development agreement. Thank you. With 1340. Excuse me. Can we share a guide you recognize? A question for city attorney. So as they proceed in the negotiations, are we free to speak with the applicant or can you just give us the guidelines on what we can and can't do? Sure. So at this meeting is to select and award the, I guess the ability to negotiate for this, so the selection has been made. There is no cone of silence after this meeting, if you move forward with this resolution. Thank you. For the questions, I wish you're leaving your recognize. Thank you, Mayor, and more comments. First, super sighted to vote on this. You all know if you do how long I've been championing this the time, put it on the date. You beat your date. Yeah, thank you. To at least to start. You beat the date. That's why we beat your date, yes. To put it on the ballot and that was the Clinton, there's a presidential election. Sorry, the Clinton, yeah. It was the Hillary, that was on the Clinton, there's a presidential election. The, sorry, the Clinton, yeah. Yeah, it was the Hillary, that was on the Hillary Clinton Trump ballot, yes, and it passed by the white people. What is your name, Clinton, you were referring to, so. So, well, it wouldn't surprise anyone. It's the way of South Miami, things take many, many, many years. But I am very excited to vote on this, very excited about the participation in the proposal and I know that the residents will be as well. So a few things. One is Mayor would like to ask for another complete presentation, but at least a visual if we're able to see some renderings. I don't know if the applicant is prepared. Sure. We can have a presentation. I think it's just to share with the public. Fair enough. And another thing I'd like to ask is if there can be just a lead committee. I know we have several committees acting as consultants providing feedback. But I'd like to have representations, especially now that the Connaissance is up from the day is if two or three people already, I'm going to suggest, are already duplicated with the city manager and the city attorney or attorneys and you, Mr. Mayor, if you were able to maybe lead that and represent the commission in meetings or negotiations with the applicant hopefully expedite the process. Okay. I don't know how the commission or how you feel about that. with the applicant hopefully expedite the process. I don't know how the commission or how you feel about that. Let's hear from the rest of the board. Colleagues, for the question, comments? Shakori, Madame Vice-Mayer? No, please go ahead. You're always welcome to speak. I must say I'm thankful that y'all are moving forward that you stayed with us because the design is beautiful. I'm looking forward to having everyone see it because I must say I was very happy to see it. A lot of times architecture can be non-inspiring and as such I'm thankful that you are sitting up all under that banner. Okay. So colleagues, I think Commissioner Leeman wanted a presentation. I would ask that it be brief. Are there any objection to a quick presentation, your respondent, seeing none? Mr. Valendee, are you doing the honors or should we recognize? Mr. Kendez you doing the honors or we should be recognized Mr. Cressenci you're you're recognized Sir mayor the interest of revenue you suggested that should we would you like to stick to the renderings and the As a boat would you want to include a full presentation for an antials, or would you like to limit it to the director? I think we'll, let's, if we have, if we have, let's let them do a brief presentation of their concept, and if we have specific questions about any element, we can entertain it thereafter. We won't get too far into the weeds if that's okay. You can even address the record price, thank you. My name is Arno Carstenti. No car senti my address is a 2050 Tiger Tail Avenue sweet 701 for certain foremost I wanted to thank Mr. Mayor and the commissioners Madame and this year's commissioners and the city attorneys and manager for having us today. It's a real honor and a real pleasure to be here. I should forewarn you that our presentation will not be as charming as the three little girls that presented it first, but we'll try to do our best. On also, quick, quick, solemn note. We want to see on behalf of our firm and all of our consultants in team, we wanted to offer our condolences to the loss of your commission or late commissioner, Gil. We were very saddened by that news. But perhaps this project like this can pay homage to such an honorable man. So before I present the project, I wanted to talk a little bit about our firm and who we are. Many of you, some of you may know us, some of you may not. We are a local firm based right here in Miami and Coconut Grove. I personally live down the street right in the Coral Gables out of Miami area. I've grown up here my entire life. I don't think a single day of my life has gone by without touching this entire corridor from literally driving through the streets of South Miami to my wife delivering our child or first born in South Miami, in the hospital or in that direction right there to buying all my children's bicycles and next cycle. So South Miami holds a very, very dear place in all of our hearts. I don't and certainly some of those actually live within the city. South Miami such as my partner Ray. So this project in the future. Oh, sorry. In corporate. Okay. In the state. So feels like something. So, I wanted to first inform you say that this project is a whole to very special place in all of our hearts. It is more than just another project. It is something that we take extremely seriously and it really is an opportunity and a huge honor to be able to improve this incredible community. We've been looking forward to this project for years, and we're very, very excited that it's finally coming to this point of fruition. A little bit on our firm, we're known as a real estate investment and development company. We focus predominantly in the Southeast Florida markets. Miami brought rather than Palm Beach, but we are mostly focused and concentrated in Miami. In particular, we have an entire division of our company that focuses on public-private partnerships in which we engage with counties and cities and municipalities, even schools and churches and other quasi-public entities, and we work together with them to frankly ameliorate and improve their communities either in the form of partnerships, ground leases, or other different types of transactions. We're very, very proud of those. And frankly, it's become in many ways what we're most known for. In fact, just along this entire US-1 corridor, we have been successful in building flagship projects such as Motion of Dateland, Link of Douglas, and we are also working on others. And this one really is truly in our backyard and means the world to us. I do wanna make a point that while some of our pictures may denote projects of low intensity or high intensity or projects of different scale, we are known as a firm that adapts the project to the context of the neighborhood. And that's very important as we look around us here in South Miami. It's got its own character, its own visualization, its own personality. And so, Madame Blanish, I'm glad that you liked what you saw already. What you saw was nothing more than just an initial rendering. Obviously, we think we can even do a lot better than that. And what we should be engaged on a formal basis, we will work tirelessly with your colleagues and with your board to really develop something that you'll be very, very proud of. We also will offer references for you of other municipalities and folks in the public sector that we've worked with, and we take a lot of pride in that work we've done. More than just the buildings, it's also the interaction with the cities and the counties. It's the way in which we understand your needs, the way that we understand what's important, the bricks that we build are the final product, but there's a lot that goes with that, and we understand there's a lot of intangibles that cities and counties really care about. And we are very sensitive to that. What we can't necessarily guarantee, what will happen, what we can assure you of is that we will always be listening, we'll always be receptive, we'll be flexible, and we will always be available to you. So I'm going to actually let my partner Ray introduce the team and Aaron as well well can talk a little bit more about the project. But the last thing I'll say, the next slide, real quick, is from a track record perspective, we have executed 100% of all of the projects we've been awarded. I do want to caveat that by saying that we only pursue projects that we really feel strongly about that we can make a big impact on and that we can really see through. So that said there are a lot of projects we just simply don't go after. And so this one is one that we've been really monitoring for years and are extremely excited about. So, Ray, if you will, please introduce the rest of the team. Thank you, very. Thank you. Thank you. He's always hard to follow. So you know, our know kind of already mentioned. Sorry, name and address. Sorry. I'm sorry. I'm Rammel Nd with 34 investments, 2850 Tiger Tail, sweet 701. Good afternoon. Thanks again for being here. I echo our nose comments. The loss is terrible. I you know, it's very sad, but obviously very fruitful life and made a lot of changes, which is important. He left the rule in stamp here. So, you know, as you know, we're fully integrated investment in development shop. So along with our team, our in-house team of architects and engineers and development team, we partner with the best in-class partners that we can have in consultants. And you know, at the top of that list is obviously a bass law who's here with us and you're all very familiar. High Zimbada would be representing and helping with the historic preservation side and really working on the Sylvia Marking building and making sure that that gets really made a focal point and celebrated as part of the history of the city. We've looked at this in many different ways and we found a way to ensure that it became part of the fabric of the village. Coral architecture has extensive experience with municipal work, market rate and as well as police facilities, interestingly enough, laying in engineering worldwide, and engineering firm. Civic construction, our general contractor, which we've had several many very successful programs, including these types of civic projects. And then, Bizzuto, who handles our property management. I'm going to try to be very brief. Our approach to development is really important. We try to be incredibly thoughtful and are no kind of intimated on this. We look at every community and every property that we go into as a special project and we look at them very specifically as to their surrounding areas and neighborhood and we try to make sure that we incorporate the right program based on the fabric of that community. We envisioned here a village type of environment where we're creating an urban village. We think the city of South Miami is unique. I personally am just one block outside of the city. Hopefully in the very near future part of the city if you will allow me. That may be the reason it doesn't happen you may not want me but I take a lot of pride in this I literally live down the street I'd hate to have people running down my street yelling at me because I didn't do a good job and that's that's that's not what I want the mayor lives down the street I walk down this passage street every day and I can only imagine getting egged as I'm walking down the street. So, we'll just revoke your passport at the border. It's okay. So, we envision a world-class village. We want to see a community and a vibrant neighborhood where our residents are spilling out into the public spaces and the public parks that are also serviced by FNB where the city employees and the city executives are coming out and interacting as well as police, the police department, everybody's eating and dining in these FNB situations that spill out into these gardens. We thought that was a crucial part of the development library, police, city hall, and residents all enjoying the same spaces. It was really important as well as we looked through the operations, we understand the importance of not having to relocate city hall while we're building to then relocate again once the building's done. We thought it was really important to keep the cohesiveness of the existing government in place. So we developed a program that we think phases that we know phases city hall and the first phase first while allowing operations to stay in place for both the library, police and city hall without that was crucial. No different than our other transit sites, we took very much the importance of connectivity. We wanted to make sure that we're connected to the future on the line. There's a big investment in the underlying. We celebrated. We're big proponents of the underlying. We supported. We fund it. We've done our portion of it along coregables at Lincoln Douglas. And we look forward to working with the underlying here and Creating connectivity to the metro rail and then the last image is really place-making place-making is so important We want to create a place where people and residents really want to congregate and where your employees come out of City Hall at the end of the day Come outside have it have a drink have meal, and enjoy the public and the residents. That's for your support. I'm hoping the last rendering has a shot just for you, actually. Again this is the phasing approach. The first slide is your existing condition. The second slide is really the first phase where we're building the 70,000 square feet of city hall, the library, and the first phase of we're building the 70,000 square feet of city hall, the library, and the first phase of the residential development which is 335 units along with this related parking. We continue to, well, there will be some interruption with parking. We'll make adjustments. That's just all, you know, that'll be a work and process. And the last image on the right is phase two, where we finalize the last 335 units along with related parking and the retail at that time comes into play. This is just an image, this is the ground floor, the conceptual site plan. Obviously, all of this is conceptual. I will tell you that this is in conjunction with our architect and our in-house teams really looking at operations and making sure that logistically we can make all of this work. So again, this is very preliminary. These are very raw images, but it works. And we've got to expand with the connection to the police department in parking and things of that nature and all of those details which need to be considered. And we recognize that. But we thought that this was a good strong point. The green shows you the retail, the rest of it is your parking and the residential. And then this is just floors two through seven with your parking and your residential units as they come up the buildings and then these are the renderings. So again, these are artist renderings, these are work in progress. This type of program and project requires so much back and forth. These are our vision that now need to be overlaid with yours and make sure that we do the intended development. I'm hoping, Commissioner, you can find a way to get us a beautiful sculpture that'll go in the center of this plaza that we think would be amazing. I celebrate what you've done at Dante Fesele with the beautiful sculptures that walk through there all the time and it's amazing. I apologize, I do take my dog, I'm guilty. And then another rendering from, you know, celebrating City Hall with a massive, massive paseo off of sunset that looks through to the Sylvia Martin building. And then this is celebrating the Sylvia Martin building, making it a real presence in the center of the plaza. You know, we initially envisioned it as F and B. It could also be part of the library and a reading room for children and families. There's many different things we can do with it, but at the end of the day, we really do want to make it a focal point. And there's your sculpture, by the way. Again, thank you so much for the opportunity. We really are excited. Our note couldn't have said it best. We really are residents of the community. We're dying. We spend so much time in the community. And we're really excited about this opportunity. Thank you. Thank you. Colleagues, questions or comments on the team? Yes, Commissioner Cory. Hi, thank you. So I mean just absolutely amazing that you guys were able to put this together and that you're engaging with us and that you're very open as well to the feedback that's come from staff. I did. I thought it was amazing the historic preservation piece of it making it a focal point creating community with it. That's all fantastic. I was curious in future renderings, I guess dealings with the city manager too. I'd love to see how it incorporates with the underlying. I do think that's such an important piece. This could end up being of all the things that we're doing in South Miami now. This could end up being one of the more memorable spaces. And I think a lot of that is gonna come from that interaction with the underlying. Sure. And I know we're working on green spaces, public spaces, incorporating that and how we're gonna do that. And obviously, there was a lot of feedback from the city already. I know everybody's working together, but I'm just very excited that we've gotten to this point and that we're engaging. So thank you very much. Thank you. I have a number to say. I don't know if you're able to Mr. Lindy, can you go back to the slide that features known at the sculpture, the Sylvia Martin building? Just in terms of public context, I know it was mentioned that there was only one respondent. But we've been through this a number of times originally there was four. And if you speak to professionals in this space, obviously independent of this firm, you'll see that one respondent oftentimes, and talking about a qualified respondent, is a lot. You can look at other municipalities and public bids, public bids even without a minimum. And oftentimes there are zero respondents because it is so challenging. As you can imagine, as we've experienced in the city, going through this process with a public body. And to that point, we want to concern which is not with the applicant is, I don't want the city to further that reputation that unfortunately created before this commission. So I'm wondering Mr. Mayor and staff in commission is if we can stagger the initial contribution on behalf of the applicant may be in stages. You're talking just to clarify for the benefit of colleagues. You're talking about the $250,000 payment that would be due upon the ward. And I'm saying that because I do have the institutional knowledge. And last time it really did leave a black guy in the city. Again, I can't say enough., preceded everyone on this on this day. But I just don't want to run into that again. So, um, that's where we can discuss that. So I have to to me, this is the most important slide because to me, this just screams activation. It's human scale, um, taking a building that's been debatable whether it's a store or not and really the use and what it would contribute to the city and I believe Mayor's Wells made some similar comments but this is always what I saw for the space, just activating it with a dining area and it's so important that you've preserved that, that your team and architects and you've made it a focal point. Another thing which I read, we weren't able to review this with anyone, even staff. So I'm not sure I read this correctly but I believe the archway which leads the space, I believe is three stories tall? That's correct. So it's another thing I wasn't highlighted so it's going to be open and inviting I know from the public perspective it's very difficult to look at these diagrams and a lot of times They're oriented from USWan or from the underline which now will be activate instead of focus in the sorry on the Metro Rail We're now going to focus on on the underline But we obviously know the most visible and important real estate especially for city hall you want to prom the location is that this building will be on sunset drive. So in my opinion correct me that's the most valuable and beyond valuable that's the most important real estate especially for a city that wants a prominent location and it's also a lower scale than the buildings in the back. And then one thing which I really pushed for, I didn't know, right, what was going to be proposed here, but that I really pushed forward, so that was so important in the first go around going back years ago, was that the city was able to remain in the space because if anyone can imagine the inconvenience of having to move not once but twice over whatever that number is two to four years and just the expense of side having to do that but just the interruption with our city services our public services so to me that's a just a tremendous feature that we can stay in this building and just move once and instead of twice and I don't really really want to get into the financials and I know the mayor doesn't but one thing when I read the proposal which I'm sure I overlooked or maybe I just don't recall at this time is what is the projected economic impact and then just the taxes. It's just economic impact from feet on the street. Not the financials of the TL that we studied that and any about taxes if not that can come back. By the way, if you want to give the impression that I don't want to have a conversation with the financials. So if you want to have the applicant questions, please feel free to. Sorry. Sorry, did not mean to give that impression. These are just two questions I had because I read the financials and we're going to leave that up to our team. But I just didn't know if it was covered or it could be visited later. This is ancillary to the deal. You're talking about the direct economic impact? So sorry, so one thing, the deal itself, the property taxes, because right now this site generates zero property taxes that can also be bonded. I think it was $25 million over present value over the term. OK, so I'm just curious what would it be annually? And then, and I know it's early in its additional expense, but just the economic impact to the area in terms of just the feed on the street, frequenting our commercial areas. And that's okay if we don't have it. It's just something I'm curious about going forward. It can only be good news, because right now it's zero. On the residential alone, just without including retail, because the retail tax is taxes excuse a little bit you're looking at $700,000 a year. In terms of property taxes on the residential alone. And then what about the the just to curiosity question the economic impact to the city in terms of of just activation vibrancy feed on the street frequenting our if you look we walk down sunset drive with the serious screaming form we sort of working backwards just activation, vibrancy, feed on the street, free-quinning, we walk down Sunset Drive, what the series is screaming for, and we start working backwards on that street. Right, you know, we've been working, but it's density. We looked at parking revenue, and you start looking at the F&B and the taxes, and once you look at it holistically, we really haven't done that. If you don't know. If I may, just how about even independent of that, how about just having less empty storefronts? And that'll just be a product of dense, it's really where I'm going with this. We talk about different products and different stores and zoning, but it's really about its urbanization. Just putting places where people can live, walk to these areas, which I like to refer to as feet on the street. That's what everyone knows it from the election. Everyone agreed when they ran for office as do our current candidates. The most important thing is to revitalize our commercial area. And the best way to do that is just create density in the area so that way we have feet on the street. So that's another ancillary benefit. And another one I'll leave it at this is and everyone here knows of obviously US 1 buy for Kate's the city great and more ways than one and that's why it was so important me to continue the place making from 57th to 62nd Avenue so both sides of the city really communicate with each other and by having residential and a really vibrant product on the other side I think that'll provide more connectivity as well. So thank you everyone for indulging me and thank you to the applicant for such an incredible proposal. Thank you, Madam Vice-Ware. You wanted to do this? This is more of a comment in general, not necessarily to you all. When I was speaking with the city manager earlier, I made mention that this process is for us to oversee as a body, but we in essence are not the ones drilling down into what the financials are, is it feasible? Is it not feasible? Those types of things, we've actually hired teams that we have to trust their opinions and their expertise when it comes to those. And so while people may look at us and say, oh, you know, we're making all these decisions, we're making these decisions based on the expertise of the people that we as a city have hired. So, as we move through this process, we're going to have to do the same thing that we did if we can think back to when we started having conversations about the aesthetics of what Santa Patece was going to look like and everybody starts having all these opinions about what it's going to be. And I said, you don't go to an architect and say, well, I want this and this and this and this. You essentially say to an architect, I want something beautiful because you're hiring an architect whose general aesthetic you like and then wait for them to bring you something amazing. And I think that's what we're doing here. We're looking at a company that we know is doing amazing things and saying bring us something amazing. And then trusting our partners to get us there. I understand that what we're looking at right now is a really good start to where we want to be. And I think we're going to get there. And I think the best way to get there is to trust the people that are taking us. And I'm looking forward to that. I don't know what you guys. Thank you for that. That was, I got to stick that in my office face. Colleagues for the comments. Give us your guy here, recognize. I think one of the questions we always got our ask ourselves is, why is it that we chose this path? We have a police station that's from the 1950s, severely outdated. We have a city hall that's non-functioning. We have issues with whether it's air conditioning, you know, old, old, mold, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, it's the ability to do best in class is something that this commissioner always talks about and speaks about heavily. And this is the opportunity to do best in class is something that this Commissioner always talks about and speaks about heavily. And this is the opportunity to do so. We have the ability to have a destination for kids with a world class updated library, which, you know, it will our partners in Miami-Dade County, we can finally do so. So the reason why we're doing this, and I think that the team that we have in front of us is hopefully, I mean obviously there's a lot of questions, a lot of things that we've got to work on. I mean there's a lot of, you know, it's very preliminary and when we'll go through that. But you know, I've always been, you know, happy with all the projects you guys have done in the past. So looking forward to working with you guys, I think there's a lot of opportunity for the city and I think that's residents should be pretty happy with the way things are moving forward. Thank you for the confidence. Appreciate that. Thank you, Mr. Corey. So I'll say a couple of words. One is let me start by thanking Ray and the team at 13th floor. I mean, before this process formally started, we've had many conversations about what we wanted to try to accomplish here. And for my part, I've said this to Ray privately. I'll say it publicly. I very much value the approach in that, obviously you all have an agenda. You very much want to do this project. But I think it's a high compliment to you all to say that you both advocate, but you counsel. And what I mean by that is that you share both the positive perspectives of what you can accomplish in the pitfalls. And all of us collectively have a different set of expertise and skill sets, but I think it's a tribute to you in the way you approach the conversations. It's not just we can do this here, all the benefits. Here are some of the pitfalls of executing it this way or another way. And I appreciate very much that approach. This is an excellent proposal, certainly of the two that we received when it was not qualified, certainly the best of the two. I think you guys have shown the ability to do this and execute flawlessly elsewhere. Obviously encouraged by your track record. We do have a long way to go admittedly. I am, and I don't say that because of the financials, although that's always a consideration, but I want to go back one slide if we can to the overhead view of, go back one more please, the other one. So what I want to do first and foremost is make a great place that activates this side of the town center. This is a part of our town center that has had a very strong institutional character predominated by medical uses. We want to, I think, the goal here and only through place making, but through this project, is to see if we can bring both sides of us wanted to better balance leverage the proximity to the rail but I don't I don't want the economics and the program by extension to sacrifice the ability to execute a really great place and so as we continue this conversation which I think we're probably going to authorize the negotiations today and And Commissioner Lieben, thank you for mentioning the payment but I wanted to ask you as well. Again you understand that this does come with a significant capital A and we do not want to. We are very concerned as a board about our reputation in the marketplace because should we not get to an agreement, we want the public to understand that we in good faith took this step with your fully understanding which you're committing to financially or otherwise. So you have any reservations, I'd certainly like to hear it. And secondly, you know, to that, you know, we, if we have to restart the process, I want the marketplace to understand that it wasn't for a lack of effort or a disingenuous attempt to kind of take a quick $250 riddle fall. It really was just born to the fact that we didn't think we could get there under the current parameters. So one of the things I want to be very focused on is I think you've gone, this proposal does tremendous justice to the Sylvia Martin building. I think the program is much better calibrated than the other program that we saw. But I do want to, as we go forward, understand how we better integrate the activity center that we have from the underline into both the architecture and the public space that you're showing here today. I think this is a good first attempt, but that's where I'm least satisfied with the proposal. Money aside, program aside, and from my perspective, we have to sacrifice program to make that connection that space really spectacular. So it is the number one destination on the underline for this 10 mile linear park. That's really what I'm aiming for. Right? Because I think that'll have tremendous residual value for the city as the rest of the area continues hopefully to evolve and change. So, you know, that by way of comments, we've got some challenges on the financial structure and programming. We obviously have to do a deal that's responsible, those are our assessment of the value justice. I think we've got some programmatic things to talk about. Obviously some site plan refinements here to go about and we need to have, we've not shied away from having a community conversation about this. We brought this item to referendum. There's been a lot of conversation on blogs and commentary about the lack of public transparency or maybe not enough of community conversation. No one on this day is for the benefit of the people who may be watching is hiding, right? We took this, we started this process by going to the voters to ask them for the flexibility to do something other than a sale, which was the only thing that was contemplated before with this project was discussed for the last 10 years. And we did that because we want to make sure that if we do something we get the best deal and preserve our belief on the assets, the assets long term. So we've done that as a board and I think through this process, I know you guys are not unfamiliar with public process. I'm assuming we'll have a dynamic and signature space for South Miami. Irregardless of the program, irregardless of the financing. So I know you're committed to kind of helping us along that journey and looking forward to hopefully getting that all done. So Madam Vice Mayor, you recognize. That's the face of a question. It's a question for you. Yes. With anything. Yes. You're making big reference to the underlying but the underlying space in and of itself is a passive space. So. No, it's not actually. This is like a part. It's a children's play area. Yeah. And so yeah, I mean, look, it's hard because this is just a concept There's not there's not full architectural renderings of the building You know looks like you have a lobby that probably has some visual sight lines through yeah, I'm gonna bounce back to It has a job you can help them out. Thank you. Yeah, I'm going to go down to. Yeah, I think it has a ghostly thing. The ground floor. There you go. Okay, so, Mayor, you're absolutely right. We want to create more connectivity to the big open space park that the underline has planned in the corner there along US1. Our original plan, if you recall, going way back before RFP, we had kind of played with another plan with a large opening and city hall with a different location. This, a lot of this was driven by the logistics of keeping city hall open and keeping you in place while we build the new city hall in the library. But yes, I think we need to work on more connectivity at the large, underline park that's on the right corner of the Yeah, I'm there is an opening. I know you've got that colony. We've got a colony there We create colonnade. We have retail retail the blue is a retail that wraps through there You've got a children's activity space on but again, I just think we again this is getting into the degree I reverse it and open it up to that side. That's exactly right. Absolutely. Again, this was our vision, our concept. It needed. We prioritized logistics and making sure we gave you everything you needed. Now we have to sit down and work through all of the fine details, including police, for example. We got to make a direct connection to the garage with secure space and secure access for police. These are all things that now we have to fine-tune and go through. And again, these all of these projects, requiring more enormous amount of back and forth in order to achieve the correct intended goals. And that's what we commit. Me personally, by the way, for me, it's easy. I live right here. Meetings are easy. We can get through it. You'll have our personal attention. But Ray, we understand it. I just want for the benefit of the public that's watching. And then to understand that this has been a paper exercise. None of us have had the chance to dialogue with you about these kind of issues. So we're just starting this conversation. And again, because I know there's been some conversation out in the blogger sphere and whatnot. The only thing we're doing today is saying we want to take the next step. So again Commissioner Lee been asked about the terms so I'll give you the opportunity. We're fully prepared on the terms if the city would like to do it a little differently and spread out the terms while we work through the process we're happy to do that as well. We're happy to do it either way. So I just, I think there's a, I want to ask, the city manager and our city attorney, do we have that flexibility? Is that a material change to the solicitation? We don't think we have that flexibility. What it is is a cost recovery deposit. We would bill against that for any reason. So this is not money that's not refundable. Correct. If we terminate discussions tomorrow. That's correct. So again, for your benefit, for the markets benefit again, we want to do things the right way here. You know, that's the past. And we appreciate that. We appreciate that. I was here for the last one. I sat in the audience. I watched it. I know exactly what Commissioner Leibin is referring to and I my personal trauma your personal trauma. Yes, yes, so and No, that's I so I've got nothing else to say Commissioner Leibin do you want to make a motion? I do well before I do Yes, sir Thank you for that privilege and I'm sorry mayor Because I reciprocate the privilege with disagreeing with you again I know you think I do that intentionally but it'd be remiss all the time you the time. You do it on purpose, John. Mostly off the day, by the way. But I'd be remiss if I didn't say this. I'm not agreeing with you, Mayor. But I don't want to, I personally don't want to make the underlying a focus. And I'll share with you why. Now, I say this is a big support, the underlying of previous commissions, I was one who championed all the financial support for the underline from the city of Miami. Maybe you just brought forward an item in the previous meeting which we all supported, which was $300,000 a year in maintenance. Well, no previously, no one was out there. More than me, we're on over 100 marathons training on these streets, but the reality is, it's getting warmer. This is the hottest, most oppressive climate. There's a chance of rain every single day of the year. We don't have to watch the weather channel. It's hot with a chance of rain. And this is not a continuous pass. This is not a linear path. It is interrupted. There's ambient noise. There's pollution. I think the underlines are great. I just, and even with all the density coming here, I don't, I question the usage. So given all that, I would not want to make the underline. I think we've already highlighted the underline here. So to me, the priority is the project as opposed to the, to the underlying. So thank you. But yeah, and with that, I'd like to move the item. Okay, is there a second? Second. But yeah, and with that I'd like to move the item. Okay, is there a second? Second, it's a motion by Commissioner Lehman a second by Commissioner Coye any final discussion? Seeing none Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll please. Yes, Commissioner Lehman. Yes, yes Yes, Commissioner Cory. Yes, Mr. Coye. Yes, yes, Mayor Fernandez. Yes, I don't have to thank you. We look forward to working with you all. Thank you so much. You appreciate it. We look forward to it. Thank you. Madam clerk, if you can read item four, please. Yes, item four. It was just improving the reduction of curbs. I recycle into a biopathy pickup authorizing the city manager to negotiate and execute it in the amendment to the interlocal agreement with Miami-Dade County Department of Solid Waste Management for the purchase of curbscire cycling services. Thank you. I'm out of ice bearer. This has been your item. So we finally get a cost update from the manager. Yes, Mr. Manager, if you can give us the update on what the counties represent the costs with under the new contract would be for recycling services. Yeah. Our latest verification that they were going to do a CPI of 3% with a potential true up later down in the fiscal year. So they're probably maybe next year. We had included in our analysis a 4% in our budget a 4%. So the fiscal impact that's shown on the item is as updated as it can be based on the information received in the town. Do we have a true up this year, Mr. Manager? We've had a couple of true ups since I've been here in a year and a half. And what were the amounts of this true up payments? If you can just give me an order of magnitude, I'm not going to hold you to the specific number. I don't... So I remember I'm trying to do the transition. The city went to weekly I think that it cost increased by about $40,000. Since then... No but in terms of... Yeah I'm just trying to follow the math from how I broke it down. Since then we've probably had two changes which probably, and I would have to lean on finance, but we're, I wouldn't doubt that we're now closer to $100,000 in increases from two years ago. And order of magnitude, I would want to look at it a little deeper, but my recollection, we're probably around that number over a two-year period. Okay, so roughly an extra $50,000 or what we started at, budget last year. And to be fair, you asked about the true up, I inserted a number that had to do with the city changing as free as- The service increase, okay, so- We've be fair to that. That was a 40K increase, subsequent to that, the service increase. The service increase. Okay. So we've heard of that. That was the 40K increase. Subsequent to that. There have been the additional increases as a result of the county's contract and extension. So there were negotiation. They extended it. There was an increase then. Then when they went through a solicitation and most recently now they've increased it again with another true hope that we expect later in the year. So. with another true hope that we expect later in the year. So, I'll give you a number, but probably close to, I would imagine about 100,000, and I don't know if I'll create a, well, maybe able to fine tune that. 100,000 less the cost. What would it increase? Inclusive of the, they're going from biweekly to weekly. Okay, so roughly $60,000 in number. It's the number that I remember but I want to do a little deeper dive on it but if it's if it's a significant you know number for a decision I want to give you a better number I'm just going off the top of my head. Okay further questions of the manager yeah I think I'll feel we have maybe to shed some light on it. Let's yeah go ahead Mr. Raoul please. I'm not going to be able to get the money. I'm not going to be able to get the money. I'm not going to be able to get the money. I'm not going to be able to get the money. I'm not going to be able to get the money. I'm not going to be able to get the money. I'm not going to be able to get the money. I'm not going to be able to get the money. I'm not going to be able 246 this fiscal year in 24 and our increase of CPI, which we estimated 4% we didn't know at that time they are saying now 3% so this may be a little bit over, but it's 256,000 that we have allocated an appropriated fiscal year 25. So, $129, 22, $177, 23, $246, 244, and 255, we have $256. $256, not $246, $256. $246 is what we estimate to end this year. 24, in fiscal year 25, the one that was just adopted moments ago or hours ago, we put in there 256,000. Okay. About 126 between fiscal year 22 and, and, but I think fiscal year 22 we were still on biweekly. Correct. So I think the probably the more accurate range is 23 to 25 projected. So we're talking about $79,000 Delta. 23 would pick up the transition to two weekly. Two weekly, okay. So let's just say that that's the year the benchmark year. So I haven't just under 80,000 dollars in terms of net increase. Okay. Madam Vice-President, answer your question. I didn't ask a question yet. I thought you had answered a question about the Another part of the change. No, no, no. He had actually received the new number. And our last meeting, it was actually deferred because we didn't have a number. Correct. But I have some, the reason that I keep harping on this is because we continue to have an ideological conversation as it relates to recycling versus a realistic conversation. I will tell you having watched today's county commission meeting on the authorization of the incinerated location was very ideological so What is zero waste? I have no idea, but at some point maybe we can get a briefing on that as well in terms of the scheme. So yes, I agree. We're in the world of the ideological one. In a lot of these conversations. But before we move to discussing the actual item, are there any other questions in the manager before we move into discussion section? Yes, are there any other questions to the manager before we move into discussion section? Yes, Commissioner Cory. I did have a question. One of the reasons we originally didn't decide to go back to bi-weekly is that the increased cost was really only 25% for the additional pick-up. I guess that's, you know, the major cost is associated with perhaps the program itself. Would that remain even with increases that the additional cost of weekly to buy weekly pickup is still only 25 percent? I haven't done that math, but our calculation is that there would be a savings of $53,000 if we went to buy weekly. Which is 25 percent of our total. Based on today's dollars. Yeah. The obvious question. Actually 20% of our total. Yeah. The obvious question from my standpoint is, you know, would that result unless recycling? You know, at the end of the day, like for example, we spoke to waste management who would be the successor to coastal with the new agreement, but that's going to be a few months. And one of the things they said is, you know, residents could ask for a beer container, 90 gallons, instead. And so the question is, would it result in less recycling? Yes, from a service standpoint, is less, less pickup, but ultimately, to me, the way I would look at it, what's the, what we're taking, or what the vendor's taking, to the facility, and from a tonnage standpoint, is there less recycling because we're picking up twice a week versus one week. As we've spoken many times, unfortunately, the city did not have data prior to making the switch. And so it's hard at this point to compare if in fact, you know, it's- And we don't have data. As you said before, we don't have data as to what we are actually collecting just out of our jurisdiction. Because it's correct. We have attempted through the vendor to try and do that. I, that we were not successful in that waste management. We've met with waste management already. And, and the representative has agreed to do that when they come on board and, and, and do that for us and that would be pick up on a Wednesday, not go to any other jurisdiction and go straight and get away, right? So at least we have some determination of tonnage. When does their contract become active with the county? There's about four or five months. I believe when the transition occurs is what the county has- So it was the January one contract? I gotta confirm, but I heard it was about four or five months, so it was somewhat difficult to get just to the CPI increase. So we're going to follow up with that for an implementation standpoint, but it was an immediate. For the question. And as you know, waste management is the facility that is the recipient of recycling. And so there's a question about what are the costs if the city was doing that directly and it's hard to determine that based on, we don't know what rate we would receive. Certainly it would not be as favorable as a county rate just from a volume standpoint. So we intend to go visit the facility at which management is certainly a little bit more educated on their process because we bring that education back, right? Part of the issue is contamination. We've had the presentation. If you have a higher rate of contamination, there's less to get recycled. So we want to be able to share and educate our residents to increase that. But I ultimately can't tell you if recycling would be less than by going to two weeks. I mean, I just, we know costs have increased, but we just don't know if it'll be. And I, I, I, I didn't realize you can go to a nightingale and been until waste management said that. And so that's an interesting option potentially. I think the vice mayor, because we've talked a lot about it, is, you know, there are definitely costs that have increased. And, and there's no certainty that we're actually recycling more because we pick up on a weekly basis. Certainly, there is a service reduction if that's what we focus on. And I understand the optics of it. But functionally, would we really recycle less? That's the million dollar question. Further questions, sir? Manager. You may. Mr. Manager, on the lighting gallon recycling bin, is that at an additional cost for the bin. Or if somebody has to pay the delta from the previous bin, we would have to find that out. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. thank you. But is an interesting option. Seeing that we don't have any more questions, Madam Vice Mayor. Oh, sorry, yes sir. You also can request a second man at no cost. Today, you can, okay, thank you. Madam Vice Mayor, floor is yours. We've been talking about how much it's recycled and how much doesn't and I actually was looking online and Found some information from the recycling partnership that nationally speaking while only 43% of the households participate in recycling Nationally 76% of what is of what is put in the bins is lost So 76% of what people are putting in the in the bins is lost. So 76% of what people are putting in the bins is garbage. And approximately 18% of what is put in is what is actually recycled. And I found it very interesting. While we have an ideological conversation about recycling, I kept thinking to myself, who's benefiting from the entire recycling conversation? And it's big companies. They are the ones benefiting because despite knowing that large-scale recycling of plastics is not viable. These big plastic companies continue to put out there that recycling is the answer so that people continue to use plastic instead. And we gobble up single-use plastics every day, all of us. We're all guilty. And so we continue to fill the bin pretending we're doing a wonderful thing when we're not and so If we want to say, you know, we're going to keep doing recycling You know weekly and continue to put that money literally in the garbage Because ideologically we want to follow that that's that's fine I'll continue to vote no and continue to bring it here because I think it's irresponsible. I know it makes everybody feel good to think that what we put in the recycle bin and recycling every week makes us better, greener, whatever. It's not the truth. The truth is that it's not getting recycled. The truth is it's ending up in the landfills and the truth is we it's not getting recycled. The truth is it's ending up in the landfills and the truth is we're throwing our money away with all the plastic that we shouldn't be using. Mr. Andrew, related question based on her comment. Do we have a sense of what it would cost us to tip, that same amount of weight if we just ended the recycling program altogether? No, that's a common I made earlier that you know what waste management would charge us what would probably not be the same people arrayed of a volume customer like Miami-Dade County so you know right. No no but if we if we let's just say we decided to say single way stream in the green bins all picked up by our team, all tipped at a county facility. I think, you know, matter of ice cream, we talked about this the last time. You know, I was horrified to read a book or listen to a book losing the earth a few years ago and you know again recycling as an idea being a creature of the petroleum manufacturers association. So 18% is a pretty low number. It's still 18% of waste that's diverted from a landfill. We have in this county had a conversation today that you know right now everyone's let's keep kicking the ball down the road and we're all going to be trucking or trucking and or taking waste by rail to facilities in central Florida or Georgia or points further north to deal with the waste stream the waste stream is not going away. So, and the truth is, there's really not a political appetite to expand land folk capacity of this county in Northead and Southead because they are facilities that are situated adjacent to or in not just housing but African-American communities, right? So that's the political reality of the conversation. I think, again, not that we need a ton more information, but at this point, I'd be fine with continuing down the current path. I am very curious to learn how much recycling with recyclable materials being put into our bin stream. And then really have the information to say it's X amount of weight, right? What's the cost of tip versus what's the cost to run the program? And that's just another data point for us to play with. But you know, that's unfortunately four months away for the manager. But I think I recognize and acknowledge that you know your sentiment is you know well-founded. I feel like this is going the same way. I think we're going to have this conversation for the next few years. We'll probably have this conversation in five months. It'll be just like the fee conversation until I lose it on a group of little kids. Nobody's going to do anything. That's the truth. All right. Well, I'd like to make some comments. That's the perfect segue. And because I'm wearing the shirt, I have to say we keep recycling this conversation. But to that point, I have a few questions. I mean, so I germane, but speaking of waste to rails or rails to waste, what is happening with that lease and then we can respond at our public work site. Second point is that we do consider it, which I'm not opposed to reducing recycling. And I've said this before, we should have an education campaign for the public about using less single use plastics. We should start to take responsibility and that's the greatest way to make. Can we ban single use plastic water bottles in City Hall? Or in City facilities? I mean I certainly would happy to start with that. And then we've done similar items but we could write the only thing we can do is ban it limiting to the city. And the third item is, and I know I'm a glunt punishment Suggesting this but if the commission never serious about saving money and beautifying the city You have to again preaching this forever But my time's up is looking at the curb side pickup because trash breach trash sits out there in the rain Cumulates weight we pay for the rain we pay for weight And I've suggested if you want to keep the curbside, however often you should consider bins that way we're chopping it down. It's not as bulky, it's not gonna, which that type of waste does, it accumulates water and weighs more. So that way it would be protected from water to be a lot easier to pick up than we would not have the unsightly divots and trash piles in the city and I'm sorry to bring it up now but again for a number of times times up and it's all related right so thank you. Crypturately I think on the last point it's a great one we've talked about it before we looked I've looked at I've looked at you know I've looked at some options I don't know if Mr. Reese and Andrew and the curbside yeah but I think I think rather than just dump it we would be better off exploring whether there's a viable composting operation that we can contribute that waste to and I don't know if Mr. Reese and the manager but we follow we can look into that as an alternative. Certainly, I prefer not to tip the organic rewaste. Although we do it, but it is something that could be diverted and diverted pretty easily. I just don't know if an operation exists. That would receive it yet. So. Okay. Do you want to move the item? Why bother? I just I or do you want to just defer it? Well, I mean realistically. Yeah, I'm going to I think the next to the mayor. Yeah, we're not going to reset. Why are we going to recycle it? Like, give us your guy. Yes. Look, I don't necessarily disagree with a lot of the statements from the vice mayor. I mean, we're just a deleted just because we don't have another option. I don't really think it's a solution right now that we have more data. We're talking about $11 per household that we want to remove from a service ad. We want to be best in class in the amount of services that we provide our people. I've got a lot of letters privately and been shared with a lot of people. I would say more than seven. From people say that they still want to improve the recycling process in the city, not get rid of it. So I think that we, I would have to, you know, I hate to say we do need a process. We do need maybe advisory group or figure out how to do better in the city when it comes to recycling if it does exist composting There's just a lot of opportunities that we can do that we haven't done and we we take it upon ourselves actually look into it So that that'll be my preference rather than get rid of it right now I would rather kill this then have another group of people. Let's be real. I don't think the city has a problem with the recycling program. I think the recycling industry has a problem with the recycling program and we're just feeding into the myth. So while we want to do nice things, the system behind us does not exist or is not adequate or is not functional. So rather- Man, I'm sorry, can I suggest this? Because I feel soft, we're not saying page. I think the benefit of having this item linger. I know it's annoying to talk about it again. If we bring this back in February, we have a month pilot. We can give directions of the manager to come back and give us the data point on how much we're picking up. Which you don't know today, and we won't have that information. And then we can sort of assess options. I'd like for Mr. Reese and the manager to literally explore the possibility of can we divert our green waste to compost? I mean, I got asked to go and speak against the incinerator at today's county commission meeting. I don't want to be burning trash like anybody else, but I don't understand what the viable alternative is. Right? So before I get up there and say something about disparaging one technology, which is tried and true and yes, it admits mercury and whole bunch of other pollutants right into the air. I want to know what the alternatives are. Here, I don't know what our good alternatives are. The truth is there may not be one. I suspect as you do that what we've been doing for decades is trying to make ourselves feel good about landfilling more waste, because we created a huge consumer culture of convenience around plastics. I will tell you that I got exposed to this issue when I filed a bill in the legislature to try to encourage fast casual restaurants like Chipotle or Coyotaco from moving away from single use plastics and encouraging them to attack incentives to actually buy reusable silverware cups in their restaurants for indigning seating. And to my surprise, the food and beverage in the restaurant lobby, hotel lobby, opposed the bill and said it's dead, it's dead, don't bother filing it. I can provide you a copy of it. And it was the recycling, it was the waste industry that was most interested because the real solution here is waste diversion and changing people's habits as opposed to trying to pick up the stuff in a way and try to reuse it. So if we can have a conversation, I'm happy to have it with you, figure out ways that we can divert waste from being tipped. I'm all about that and I seriously, it's not a joke for me because we use them because they're available and some of the guilty's anyone else but we can easily install water bottle service or you know a purifying water here that we have in the managers conference room and get rid of the water bottles and particularly from Zebra Hills again if I will spare some on the record no let's not get our water from our aquifers on a very abusive consumptive use permit. That's my personal opinion, not the opinion of this body. Right? I prefer to forget about water, buy it from somewhere else. So I'm all imported with those kind of interim solutions where we as a body can do away with single use plastics, single use plates. Even our own dinners that we have before these meals, we should think about incorporating stuff that we can reuse, install a dishwasher, here at City Hall, provide a water connection so that we eat. Like you do at home, you wash it, it's not just a single use activity. I mean we can start by leaving by example there and then try to see how we can continue this conversation and push these systems to be more authentic, be more real and acknowledged that we're not really doing anything in many cases other than virtue signaling. So, yes sir. I'm on this conversation as much as you so quickly when I met with Thomas Heatherwick, right we all know public does re now in our architect who's designing sunset place. One thing he really wanted to focus on was public drinking fountains in the common space and and sorry in the new sunset place and maybe considering we just reviewed renderings not plans for city hall especially concerns of public space and we were talking about that we should incorporate the same. Great suggestion true. Yes sir just for the record managers conference room does have water. I said that I said this second. I'm moving on. We thought I didn't realize ours. Okay there we go. Just learned something. Okay so do we want to defer this item? Recycle the item. Let's recycle the item to February the first meeting of February. Is that mean it has an 18% chance of getting it? I think it's a pass. Whatever. Okay. Okay, I'll move it to second. We're deferred to February the first meeting of February. We have a second by Commissioner Lieben, and we can call the roll. Yes, by the Feb. One is? Yes. Commissioner Lieben? Yes. Commissioner Corrie. Yes. Commissioner Cahier. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. That's five0 to defer. I think of one item, a discussion item on school zone enforcement hours. Is that a presentation by you or by the police chief, ma'am? I just one thing I want to say. Yes, ma'am. You're recognizing? OK. We've talked about this over and over and over. And as everybody knows, it now goes from 7 AM to 4 PM. And I think we are underestimating the amount of craziness that this is going to cause and I find it interesting that we're supremely worried about people getting tickets and viewing us in a negative light from parking tickets but we're not worried about people getting tickets in a non-speed zone timeowned time for, you know, speeding or what have you through that area. And when I'm looking at this and I spoke to the city attorney about it, the ordinance gives you one A, B, C, D, you know, it's within 30 minutes before and 30 minutes after the breakfast program, 30 minutes before and 30 minutes after the school session, you know, the entirety of the day. And so you have, we adopted every single thing. And while we all know I am ardently opposed to all of it because I think it is a huge invasion of privacy, I think y'all should consider revisiting this and making it, if anything, when the kids are physically coming in and out of school which is when the public at large is even aware of when school speed zones are happening. Colleagues, any comments? I have a question to the vice mayor. Just like your honesty. Do you have a son passed, transponder? I do. Okay. And they are. Yes, they take a picture of my car. So can I tell you? Yeah. I for me, and it's funny because you say this and you asked me, do I have a ring camera? Do I have this? Do I have an iPhone? You've asked me all of this before. You have. I and my answer to you was yes and my hypocrite. Yes. Does this still bother me? Yes. And do you know why? Because I think that this is a cash grab. I think it is disingenuous. It just bothers me and it's funny because the city manager and I had a conversation about this where before you know you couldn't give speeding tickets just speeding tickets aloloco I don't even know how do you say that in English but yeah right that doesn't translate you couldn't just give some really nilly yeah yeah there you go you just couldn't give people speeding you know these cameras couldn't give people tickets I say aloloco willy nilly and then all of a I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. you know what, you can do this in a school speed zone and all of a sudden his groom legs and it's gone out of control and it's up to us to say hey we're not gonna let it be out of control where we live and so I'm asking you to look at this and say you know what, kind of like we did with the parking where we said we're not gonna let this be crazy. Let's put guardrails around this. We might wanna think about putting guardrails around this? We might want to think about putting guard wheels around this. So can I just address your point because I think I understand your concern. To draw the distinction between parking tickets and speeding enforcement, no one's harmed by someone overstaying their welcome in a parking space. Speeding direct correlation between high rates of speed and drought and people being hurt and traffic accidents. So that's for me the major difference and why I think there's a principle distinction behind this. But I do understand the concern about a cash grab, but the thing is we haven't even activated the program yet. So we're not marrying to anything over the long term, we can change how we choose to avail ourselves of the statutory authority at any time during the existence of the program. And as we discussed from the beginning, one of the reasons I was on board with it is that unlike the traffic cameras that other people were offering, the vendor we selected allows us to terminate the program after a single year of operation at no cost to us With them removing the infrastructure. So I would just say not that I'm not I'm not discounting the possibility that this could become Very onerous and a source of contention because I just don't know But I do think that let's let's talk about what people should not be doing. They should not be driving 25 miles an hour more driving 25 miles an hour, more than 25 miles an hour, during a school's speed zone, during half an hour before and a half an hour after. This is the whole day. Yeah, and during the day, they should not be driving over 45 miles an hour in a 35 mile an hour speed zone. In some of these areas, and that's, it's funny, you say that. Yeah. in some of these areas and that's, it's funny, you say that. Wait, but stop. This is where it started, the whole conversation. If you're on 67th Avenue and you're driving from Miller to US 1, you're on Miller driving towards US 1, you pass the middle school. The speed limit there is 35 miles an hour. 11 a.m. You're 35, blue, blue, blue. Let's say you're driving 39, Okay, let's even go crazy. You're driving 40 so you're driving 5 miles an hour over this speed limit. Once you get to sunset and you cross over, unbeknownst to you, that speed limit has changed to 30 so now you got to take it. Well my car tells me what this speed limit is because it's got the computer. My car doesn't tell me what I mean, I don't have that problem. You have a fancy car, but I don't. I have a regular Toyota. And so my car doesn't tell me that. So, I'm being honest to me. Do you have ways? I mean. No, why would I have that? Dude, I'm driving Miss Daisy. I'm not even talking about myself. Like, I'm the lady that you're honking at. But so. In your group at? No. That thing is all noise. It doesn't even go fast. But do you see what I mean? No, it doesn't. Well, not with me anyway. But to close it out is, I think this is a little crazy. I'll continue to bring it and I'll continue to have this conversation and make y'all crazy because I think it's a cash grab. I think it's wrong. I think giving somebody a ticket at 11 o'clock in the morning when there's no school speeds on going on in the exact circumstance that I just said to you. When you crossed where it was 35, now it's 30, you don't know and now you gotta take it. And you don't even know you gotta take it until three weeks from now when it comes in the mail. Can we show leave it? Yeah, sorry. I know we're trying to get out of here, so thank you for indulging me. But you brought up a couple people on the day of said ideology. And I just want to say, a lot of people think I support Vice Mayor either because we recruited her or because so a woman, but to the West Barbeque. And I say woman, the only one, the day is, but there are more of these. I say woman, the only, the day is, but I always try to remove the name and the face. And I have to tell you how much I appreciate your perspective. I know when you bring up an item and there were two tonight, there may be some faces or hams and haws, but this commission should really appreciate having a nonconformist and a disruptor. That is just really, it's a definition of democracy. And no, listen to me. No people, nobody would be up here if that was in the case. We'd still have five out of five. We wouldn't have a November election. We wouldn't have a lot of the administration. By the way, Commissioner Lee, but I value her. I mean, I think I don't think her, I believe it. But if I may, yeah. Yeah, it's it's so important. That's just a definition of democracy to have these conversations and to have people that always don't just agree and again a non-conformist and We wouldn't be up here and the city wouldn't be in a place It was if there wasn't a disrupt there moving these these items So I appreciate all these conversations and I appreciate different perspectives everyone. Thank you for indulging me and now I like test the that's the city manager, the city manager. Thank you for your time in the agenda review yesterday. And in that review of the agenda, we all soon over the budget. And I'm asking you not just to put you on the spot. No, not to put you on the spot, but just so I don't misquote the numbers. What was the projected total revenue for South Miami? And then what was our share of that. When we were embarking on this process of identifying a potential partner for this program, the vendor that was selected and when they did their study, they did some calculations based on a sampling. That extrapolation, and I'm going to use a very broad range, because I don't have the exact number, but it was definitely upwards of $2 million from an annual standpoint potentially. And so it was substantial, obviously, and that's a direct correlation to the number of violations that they thought, given the traffic study that they conducted. Obviously, we have not booked that revenue to that extent because there's still recalibrating some of the equipment and going through the process. The question is, on that point, was that dynamically scored? It's a projection. The problem is, I think the vice mayor just gave the CFO an idea to use the cameras to enforce parking and not have people out there and you can do it on a more efficient regular basis. So the projection was 2 million gross and the city's percentage. We get about $35 I think of every transaction or $20. and it's $100 citation. So the numbers may have exceeded $800,000. Yeah, so thank you. And definitely, I mean, the numbers, I agree with the vice mayor, we've had this conversation. The numbers will be big. I mean, even what Evalolous reported in the news with the bus, just two days of data of the arm coming out and saying stop. They had 11,500 violations, which is enormous amount of violations in two days. Obviously, and people are not adhering to that. So it'll be a large number, and people are not used to. They're used to the drop off and the pickup, but they're not used to middle of day. And you know, it'll definitely, once you get a couple of those, it'll correct behavior for sure. Thank you. So it's large numbers commissioners. Thank you. So we have a lot of opinions and positions. So those are some hard numbers for the public. You heard $200 million. That's the $2 million. Sorry, $2 million. That's the tax or that's the fee. To residents, non-residents, people passing through our city. And then the city's percentage, you're their mayor for sorry, the vice mayor for to a tax grab. It's close to $800,000 projected. So those are the hard numbers based on everything the vice mayor said. You can be the judge of whether you think that's a tax or exorbitant. Those numbers to me are intimidating. So, but I think it validates the vice mayor's concern and substantiates it. Thank you. No, I asked the question about the dynamics course seriously. Do they, do they, is that with just a gross extrapolation based on the numbers they found and assuming that there was no correction for behavior? Over the course of a year? Yeah, I mean, they took the sample of the number and then extrapolated over the course of a year. I don't know that they corrected for behavior in the facility. I don't remember if that was included in that analysis. But even if they did, obviously obviously it's a really large number, but it just speaks to that there are a great number of people violating that, right? And so I think that we're in a window of time now, where even the vendor was working on some of our equipment and getting that corrected. We'll see how that translates to actual citations. And we'll report back. Once we have a little bit of, how that translates to actual citations. And we'll report back. Once we have a little bit of we were in that first 30-day window of education, but once we have some data and they've corrected all the little things with the camera that they were having, we'll bring back some data so we can start tracking them. And we go live with 923s at the 925. You remember 30 days? 925s. Yeah. So it goes the 925 your members 30 days 925 so those live 925 so is there a way for you to bring us back a report In the November window just so we know it yeah, certainly first first few months of performance has been and And we again, I guess it's only things that we can continue to track, but again, I have again my distinction is speeding leads to, I mean, I just got it, because I've just got my daughter's insurance premium for as a 16 year old. And they send you this informational flyer and high rates of speed need to more accidents. And I think particularly the areas that we're talking about, what I certainly heard walking door to door was people are tired of speeding and this is a huge quality of life issue. You know, will we need to recalibrate the policy possibly? I'm just, let's see where it goes and let's monitor it. I think that's the best we can do. Gentlemen, any comments on your end? No, seeing none? We are done. Thank you. We stand adjourned. T minus 2. T minus 2. T minus 2.