Good morning everyone. Thank you for your patience. Gonna go ahead and call Alameda County Board of Supervisors, Public Protection Committee Special Meeting for Tuesday, October 29th. To order, we could please start with the roll call. Supervisor Miley? Yes. Supervisor Marquez. Present. Thank you, and if the clerk can please provide the instructions for community members to participate in person and remotely. For in-person participation, the meeting site is open to the public. If you'd wish to speak on an item, please fill out a speaker's card in the front of the room and hand it to the clerk for remote participation, follow the telecommercine guidelines, post it at www.acgov.org and use the raise your hand function at the appropriate time. Thank you, Tisa. We have a couple items on our agenda today. The first item is item number one, an update on Eden Township Substation Community-oriented response and engagement unit. Presenters are Karen Dawkins, Sergeant with Elimita County Sheriff's Office, and Marcus Cox, Sergeant also with Elimita County Sheriff's Office. Welcome and I believe we do have a PowerPoint presentation. All right, good morning. Morning, good morning. Okay. So I'm going to I'm Sergeant Marcus Cox with the Aluminium County Sheriff's Office Crime Prevention Unit. So we're going to talk about kind of who we are and what we do. You kind of go over the different things we do, who we work with and kind of how we do it. Next slide. Okay. Okay, so while every deputy is responsible for crime prevention, the core team, which is comprised of predominantly the crime prevention unit and the crime reduction unit are explicitly responsible for maintaining close ties with all divisions and units within the Alameda County Sheriff's Office, as well as with various agencies and community groups that support or assist with crime prevention activities. Core disseminates information about established crime prevention programs throughout the community and encourages the development of additional programs, such as our tobacco awareness program, our alcohol awareness program, and our neighborhood wash program. Three of our pretty much of our biggest components of that. Community policing is based on a philosophy of service, delivery, and shared responsibility. Problem solvingving responses to community concerns and creating community partnerships are key elements intended to approve the quality of life in our communities. Sorry are you clicking? Okay. Community engagement. Community engagement is a process that involves building involve community members in decision-making, processes, problem solving, and the development of initiatives that impact their lives. Effective community engagement promotes open communication, trust, and a sense of shared responsibility. One way that we often or commonly engage with communities through our various activities. Community activities are events or initiatives that bring people together within a specific geographic area or with a shared interest. These activities are often organized to promote social interaction, build a sense of community and address common interest or concerns. Community activities can take various forms and may be organized by local government, community organizations, schools, businesses, or individual residents. And here are a few of examples of our community activities. Every year we host our annual toy drive where we seek toys and donations from various county entities, residents, businesses, just pretty much anybody within the community that has that desire to give. We are always willing to receive for toys. just pretty much anybody within the community that has that desire to give. We are always willing to receive for toys and once the toys are collected, we disseminate those toys throughout Unacorbreated Alameda County. Another holiday staple that we've kind of invented was our deputies on ice. We've partners with the three-cross church and we host a evening of food, hot chocolate, games, train rides and most importantly ice skating. We let the community come out and enjoy an evening of ice skating and it's 100% cost is on us, it's free. So we encourage everyone to come. One of our newer events that we have established that we'll be doing in a few weeks is Curry with a cop. We've been partnering with our Middle Eastern community. So we're going to have a nice dinner with them and have the community out in celebration of that. Our dogs with deputies, another CPU created or core created event where we bring out dogs throughout the community. People come out to the Rale Ranch rodeo park, bring their dogs, enjoy dog contest, dog show, and we have our canine unit as well come out. Coffee with a cop, that's pretty much a universal staple. Everybody likes coffee, so we try to make it so everybody likes the cops too and have a little coffee while we're at it. Again, we've partnered with our Middle Eastern population at a Seek Center out in Livermore for their celebration of Harvest, another great event that was a new one for us this year. Cream Puffs with a cop, local Castra Valley restaurant, Beard Poppas, enjoyed a nice dessert on us, went out and engaged with the community. We also partnered with our Spanish-speaking population, and we had aqua freshca, yes. Which, yes, there you go, yes. Where we enjoyed nice treats and kind of promoted the healthy living and brought them out. Great event. Cops with cones was another one for us and another new one for us, which we actually celebrated on National Ice Cream Day. The community got to enjoy a nice scuba ice cream on us. With that, we also run a Citizens Academy every year, both in English and Spanish, where we take people from the community out to see our various duty stations, what we have to offer, how we do things, and they get to partake in pretty much like a six-week program of being a law enforcement officer. And that's just a few. We do a lot. Okay, with the community engagement and the community policing comes community enforcement. We have to be out there and we have to be proactive. So proactive policing refers to law enforcement strategies and practices that are designed to prevent and deter criminal activity before it occurs, rather than simply responding to incidents after they have occurred. This approach contrasts with reactive policing where law enforcement primarily responds to response of crime. Proactive policing involves a range of strategies aimed at identifying and addressing potential issues before they escalate into criminal behavior. And this is one of the things that we partner with our various units within the Sheriff's Office, our gang unit, our property crimes unit, sex crimes, you name it, we work with them, we proactively go out no less than twice a month to do evening suppression, where we will actually patrol proactively in our communities and look for, you know, those types of violations. People that are, you know, doing things that they aren't supposed to do, and we take a zero tolerance approach. If we can help them, right, through resources or redirection, we will. But ultimately, it comes down to kind of what we experience on the contact. And as you can see on the pictures above, lots of these contacts result in the seizure of firearms, most of which, actually all of which are loaded, high capacity magazines, automatic weapons, highly illegal stuff. With that also comes possessions of narcotics and drugs, which are typically for sale, as you can see on the slide here. And these are all seizures made by us within this calendar year. Another big component of what we do is working with our unhoused population. We help facilitate in the community cleanups and also the resources for those unhoused individuals. So, an encampment cleanup refers to the process of addressing and cleaning up temporary camps or settlements often inhabited by individuals experiencing homelessness. These encampments may be found in urban or natural areas and can vary in size and complexity. Encampment cleanups involve the efforts to ensure the health and safety of both the individuals living in these encamp academics and the surrounding community. The approach to encampment cleanups can be very complex and sensitive matter, requiring coordination between local authorities, social services, and community organizations. And one thing to note is that core NACSO as a department, we do not conduct these cleanups. We just insist that safety is there for all involved. So we go out, we accompany the property owners and we will post making notice of a 72 hour kind of heads up that, hey, we will be back and we will affect the cleanup on this area. So in that, we try to relocate these individuals through various resources, whether we can get them temporary housing or permanent housing. It kind of goes hand in hand with their cooperation and what they want to do. We also have resources for animals that may be in their possession as well. And these are some of the partners and resources we utilize and that we work with, and that's CalTrans and CHP, Union Pacific for any encampments located along the railroads, public works, safe parking is an area that we often refer people to, shelters where they can access showers, medical essentials, food, and as well they can seek the same things for their animals. The community assessment referral and engagement. The Bay Area Community Services, which is 24-7 and residential programs. We get them information on that. Community resources for unacorporated residents via 211, dig deep farms. We often utilize their food services. So if we do, you know, interact with someone or a family that is in need of immediate assistance regarding food, we can go up there and get them up to two weeks worth of food, you know, within an hour. Also, we're able to reach out and provide aid during winter and flooding with through red cross in various shelters. And the Alameda County Sheriff's Paws Zitiv Program, which offers food and vaccines, microchipping and rabies vaccines for the animals that are also contacted or located in these encampments. And we also partner with Lafamilia as well. Okay, so one of the newer things that we've taken on with Deputy Heidi Burbank back here is kind of the lead in the liaison with that is our independent living homes. So CPU's objective was to create the Alameda County independent living home response team to assess and improve the condition of those in Alameda County. These homes primarily house low income elder residents, I'm sorry, older residents, with mental illness and substance use disorders. Alco Fire Department reports findings to us and we provide emergency response services. Decter control addresses pest infestations. Building inspection ensures that the physical structures of these houses are safe and inhabitable. And additional assistance includes community care licensing, treasure and tax collector's office, state tax Frenchy board, Medi-Cal fraud, elder abuse investigators are also included as needed. So that's a lot of moving parts all at once. So the reason why we bring in the financial resources is a lot of these individuals that are living in these houses are being exploited for their money, whatever it is, whether it's social security, whether it's some sort of pension, they're being taken advantage of. A lot of these, it's quite common in a lot of instance where people don't have any control over their finances. Their checks are going directly to whoever's in charge of this living home. And often these conditions are deplorable. If you look on the slide here, you can tell that was a before and after. That's how it was when we found it after Heidi and her team got on them a little bit. Obvious improvements were made. And the purpose of this is to improve the quality of life for these residents to live in a safe and sanitary home, as well as hold the property owners and the operators accountable. And here are some before and afters. Before on top and afters on the bottom. So as you can see, we bring these homes into compliance, we hold these managers or responsible parties accountable and we make sure that the house is rid of any vector, any mold, any type of uninhabitable living condition. Another huge component of core is our behavioral health unit. So the mission of our behavioral health unit is to improve healthier communities, or I'm sorry, to inspire healthier communities by providing cultural, competent, strength, base, trauma-informed behavioral health services to maximize resilience, recovery, and wellness. The vision of ACSO's core behavioral health unit is that all communities can successfully reach their potential and goals and have access to mental health and substance abuse treatment without barriers, stigma, or discrimination. Another huge resource to us that we can refer people to. Kelly Glossop and her team, pretty much available 24-7 will come out and assess any situation and interject as needed. And here are some of their locations. They're based out of San L'Andreau on East 14th Street. They also are active at our reach, our Ashland Reach Center, Dublin Police Services, Santa Rita Jail. And like I said, she's pretty much willing to go wherever. Some of the services provided, individual therapy, family therapy, couples therapy, clinical case managing, crisis intervention, crisis response, and victims of crime support. A couple more things to add for our BHU. They also work with our juvenile diversion program. So they'll run through for our SROs. And anytime we divert through that program, they go through our BHU as well. Our BHU will work with that youth and their family. And a lot of times they go through our youth education program, which runs through the San Rita Jail. We run a tour through there as well. And then we will do a referral program through our multiple multi- multi-tie discipline for Rinsec team, which is another referral program that also works with youth as well as adults, and that is through behavioral health as well. Attached is our contact information. Like I said, if there's any questions, comments, So, I'm going to ask you to attach to our contact information. Like I said, if there's any questions, comments, concerns, specifically regarding the community, please reach out to us. We will respond and we will show up. Thank you for the presentation. Do you have any questions, President Miley? I have no other questions. I'm going to make some comments. Is that okay? Yeah, because I'm very familiar with the deputies in the Sheriff's Department seeing as I represent most of the urban and incorporated area. And I've worked closely with them for the last 24 years. When I represented an incorporate pleasant and worked with him out there as well. So I often see the Japanese, I mean, we're just at a meeting on Saturday around homelessness in coming up with solutions with first Presbyterian Church and other providers at the Shippo Theater and probably a theater was packed with folks. I mean, they're always out there. I can't say enough about the Sheriff's Department. They truly represent what President Obama talked about in 21st century, policing, being guardians more than warriors. If they have to be warriors, they can be warriors. But they're more guardians. And I think everything that you saw in today is indicative of that. You know, my office works very closely with them, my chief of staff, my other staff Ashley and other staff work very closely with them, Darryl as well. And it's really great to have the Sheriff's Department partnering with the CHP to provide law enforcement in the unincorporated area of Alameda County. I don't think there's any other jurisdiction in the county that has that level of law enforcement and professional law enforcement. It's just fantastic. I know I support the Sheriff's Department that has that level of law enforcement and professional law enforcement. It's just fantastic. I know I support the Sheriff's Department in their desire to better use technology. We see how technology is helping to reduce crime in San Francisco. So we need to use those tools. I've worked with this sheriff. I've worked with Sheriff Aherd. I've worked with this sheriff. I've worked with Sheriff Aherd. I've worked with Sheriff Plummer and passing the sides to ordinance was something Sheriff Zange has and I pushed. You know, we've got a gun store ordinance coming to the board for adoption in the variant of future. But we're always looking for things to support our deputies and the community so that the standards in the unaccompanied community are second and on. We don't play. We don't accept speeding. We don't accept trash. We don't accept, you know, unsightly, um, um, um, discard of, um, items in behavior, but the Sheriff's Department in partnership with other county agencies, other public sector agencies like hard, for instance, other community-based organizations, all work hand in hand. I think to demonstrate how long-forstment can be delivered in an urban environment and in a rural environment. The challenges, I think, for the shared environment continue to be staffing. I know I've supported funding for more staffing, but that's still considered to be a challenge. And then just the job that these officers have to undertake, I think is extremely challenging. And I've been involved with Public Safety since I chair the Public Safety Committee in Oakland back in the 1990s. So have a pretty good handle on public safety. But, you know, their job is just, it's just very, very challenging. You make a mistake and it could cause them their life, make a mistake, it could cause somebody else's life. So they have to make split second decisions and have the proper discernment to deescalate and to do other things appropriately. So I don't back off my support for the share of support. I'm proud to support the share of support. And they know that as long as they're doing their jobs professionally and constitutionally, I will never waver in my support with the Sheriff's Department. My staff attend a lot of meetings with the Sheriff's Department. We have a homeless providers meeting monthly where we're looking at these matters of homelessness. I used to conduct an alcohol policy working group meeting frequently, but a lot of the things that we do, even around the independent living facilities, I might have to involve with that because of incidences that took place a long time ago when we had to establish more focused on group living facilities. So it's always a collective approach to ensuring law enforcement. I really wish, and I'm not going to point out any jurisdictions, but I really wish some other jurisdictions, particularly in this county, would be a supportive of their law enforcement. If they were, then I think the citizens of those jurisdictions could rest a little more comfortably. The quality of life would be a little better. And instead of disparaging law enforcement for all the good work they do, and for trying to do good work, embracing them and recognizing that sometimes they're human. They'll make a mistake and Sometimes they're officers that need to be weeded out And that needs to happen but for the vast majority they're doing a job Professionally and without them our society would be in a much worth situation. So Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair of Sanchez. I really appreciate the presentation here today. So this committee and the public could understand what I and my staff and others in the other corporate area understand very thoroughly the work that you do with American communities and everyone in a professional manner and we need to continue that because without standards and without a sense of decorum and order we our society devolves into chaos and we see that happening in certain certain jurisdictions around us. And we need to continue to stay on top of that. So I just wanted to make some comments, not because I have questions, because I'm very familiar with what they do. But I wanted to demonstrate once again my unwavering support for them, unwavering, Unwavering. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, President Meile for your comments. Just a couple of questions with respect to the function of core. How many staff positions are designated to work in this area? So, and core specifically, CPU is staff with one sergeant and up to seven deputies. CRU is one sergeant and up to seven deputies as well, so that gives us two sergeants, 14 deputies. We also have an additional sergeant who oversees our school resource officers. He has two deputies that work for him, increasing our numbers to 16, and that's pretty much our sworn element, and then our resources include behavioral health. And are all those positions filled? Are there any vacancies? They are not filled. I'm currently holding two vacancies. She's holding two vacancies. Two, two. Two vacancies. So we're down, and SROs, depending on what they're slated for contractually, they can be down as well, but just between us, we're down four spots. Okay. And then the services that were included in this presentation, this is for every jurisdiction that Alameda County Sheriff's serve, including Sonal Dublin. Yes. Okay. Quite often, a B.H.U. or behavioral health unit is in Dublin. They're in Dublin all the time So yeah all over the county and how do you problem solve when there's like jurisdictional boundaries say there's a creek and Niles and it's an incorporated slash CalTrans East Bay Regional Parks. How do you coordinate addressing issues with encampments, cleaning them up as well as I know you don't do the actual cleaning but coordinating services with our CBO providers, who's the main contact to make sure those efforts are coordinated. So the first step is determining whose property it is which is quite often CalTrans or public works. Once that's established, we reach out to them, Heidi Burrank, Debbie Heidi Burrank reaches out to them. We make the contact, we let them know of the encampment and what, you know, we would like to see done about it. It then becomes the owner's responsibility. So we will go out with them. If it's CalTrans, it will be with CHP, we'll walk them encampment. We'll identify people, offer resources. And at that point, we post notification that they have up to 72 hours to vacate. Once that 72 hour time has elapsed, we then go back. Again, CalTrans will provide the trucks, the cleaning crew. And we supervise as people are either relocated, trash is removed. And quite often, people are usually gone by then and we're just left with piles of trash, to be honest. And how do you typically receive those concerns or complaints? They come in via email, telephone, and then what we see. So every week we walk these encampments, various hot spots, as well as just spots where things may pop up. So we've kind of just kind of take the proactive approach before we have to be reactive. Okay and then who are you coordinating with with respect to the CBOs making sure those individuals are outreach to for services to connect them to. Biggest ally right now is first press security in church. They pretty much have you call them they got the role of decks of anything you need whether it's food and shelter to automobile Assistance and pets everything so they pretty much know what their capacity is for their shelter on Grove They up to 50 50 50. Yeah, okay And then in terms of the independent living Housing units are those unlicensed? Is that why they're problematic? Yeah, quite often. Every once in a while, you find one that's unlicensed. Unlicensed. Some of them are unlicensed? Yeah. Yeah, so the ones that we predominantly deal with are unlicensed. We do have facilities that are licensed and that are in compliance. But the ones that we specifically deal with are unlicensed They're cramming quarters living conditions are deplorable. I mean they're pretty much just running a financial scam How many of those would you say you encounter 50 a hundred give me a sense of because I know how many are there two pop up every week So the independent living homes are unlicensed, but assisted living facilities or care homes are actually licensed and that's when we get community care licensing involved. But the actual independent living homes, none of them are licensed. There's zero oversight. And then your second question was how many would you say? So unfortunately last year, have you encountered 5, 10? Do you have any data on how many? Yeah, we're up to probably at least over 22 homes at this point that we've investigated. But some of these, I'm over the 22 number, that we've been requested, let's say, for example, that the treasure reaches out to me and says, hey, we see this person had a business license back in 2018 and we're showing no source of income but they're calling today and they're wanting to change to a group living facility. Can you investigate this home further? I mean, we get multiple directions of where we get information on where these homes are, fire, felt, our own deputies, and the list goes on on how it gets reported back to me. But as far as the ones that are unlicensed that we've investigated so far, we're over 22 homes at this point. Okay, and do you know if there's been any discussion with our local legislators figuring out a way to force these operators to become license? So I would love that We do need some sort of oversight and that's probably been my biggest push because most of these homes go un Noticed unless we're called out or fires called out. So if we had, I know at one point, co-enforcement was trying to pass a rental registry, which would basically give us a running list of who actually has independent living home or group living home. So it could go on. I mean, the name is kind of switchable. It can be go either way. So my understanding is that was not passed as of the last conversation I had with code enforcement. But absolutely, having some sort of oversight, that would help us to control knowing where these locations are. Most times, these are basic homeowners who rent the home out and they can have, I mean right now on average, I'd say between 15 to 20 residents in a home, charging them about a thousand dollars a month. So, and there's no oversight and when I'm finding out even further, is that even if they had some sort of license, they're not paying any type of tax on that income that they're bringing in. So, there's a lot to the picture, but as far as oversight, there is none. And these 22 homes are they concentrated in the Ashland, Trayland area, or would you say? So they're all over. I'd say the majority is Cherryland, but we definitely have a handful that we're actively investigating that are San Lorenzo. Okay. But I'd say majority have been Cherryland area. Okay. And then how do you go about selecting the various community events? I do see a strong presence. I appreciate the community engagement. You can be at two to four a day. So how do you go about selecting which ones do you try to look at? Geographic, addressing different cold zone ethnic needs. So how do you go about selecting which ones do you try to look at geographic addressing different cold-tongued ethnic needs? So we take care of the unacorporated Alameda County our jurisdiction I guess would be they would get you know first dibs I guess But my thing and Sergeant talking things we honestly don't say no to anything So we will always make it work. Whether we staff your event with 10 deputies or it's just her and I show up, we will always make an event. I don't think we've turned down any event ever. Okay. And then you made a comment in your presentation. I was probably 10 minutes into it. Zero tolerance approach. Can you elaborate on that, please? Yeah, so we like to go out when we do our enforcement. And we need to, there's times where we're very flexible. We're always firm, but we're fair. But there's times when we take a zero tolerance approach, meaning that to criminal behavior, criminal activity, there are no passes, there are no second chances. We will be heavy handed with our enforcement at times, as long as we can do so legally, develop the probable cause and such. But yeah, sometimes quite often we go out and the goal is to improve the quality of life for people and to combat any type of criminal activity. Okay. Thank you so much for the president. President Milikovic. Yeah, just a basic sense of your increase. This one follow up. So yeah, the Sheriff's Department, you take a zero tolerance approach. That's something I've encouraged since I've been in office and I'm not bashful about that. I guess as long as it during the jobs professionally constitutionally I'm not bashful about that because we need to have some sense of standards into Quorum and I pack that up and that's what I expect from the shares department. Secondly I don't know if Tony is on his tone on Ashley, okay, well because I wanted Tony to talk a little bit more about the group living facility working group That the Sheriff's Department code enforcement fire and others participating to give you a little bit more context around that piece But if Tony's not on, okay. And then the deputies also, I've seen them not just come to events and have a booth there. But for instance, at the Health Living Festival, they were helping to pitch all of the hundreds of canopies that we needed. Pitching them, taking them down, helping them with the event, rolling up the sleeves. Their sleeves, when the Sheriff's Department worked with my office on our legal dumping pilot in Oakland. They were rolling up their sleeves, picking up trash and other things and going door to door, reassuring citizens about how we're going to support them to help keep their communities clean because people had gotten to a place where they thought, you know, the norm was trash litter, illegal dumping, graffiti, just all sorts of stuff. And then through the pilot, the Sheriff's Department, and the former DA's office really worked hand in hand with my office and others from the community. And also the private sector to bring about a sense of normalcy in that community so that people didn't think this, you know, the quality of life was just totally forgotten. So I'm just giving examples of where I've seen them do things that you typically won't see law enforcement doing. And I think once again, that's indicative of them being more guardians and being part of the community, it's being part of the community. It's being separated from the community. So I just want to point that out because I think there's a lot of stuff we could learn from how many county sheriff's department. I think you just started another academy too, about 85. Yes, we have a little over 80, but about 33 are hours specifically for the sheriff's office. Yeah, so with the academy, I mean, it's just can't say enough about them. I just want them to continue to keep up the good work. And no, at least as long as I'm in office, you're going to have a supporter. You're at the board of supervisors. I don't care what the other four think. I know where I'm coming from. Perfect. Well, thank you. So I just want to add, if I may, just to clarify some of the zero tolerance approaches to what our teams do. When we say zero tolerance is, we're not going to walk away from the situation. You know, we have to handle it and we'll handle it by the most holistic way possible. And that's why our team does a great job partnering with other entities zoning, CalTrans, LaFamilia, all of the organizations that are there that help people. And so it's really an approach where no problem is too small and that's where we have that zero tolerance approach for not walking away from a situation when someone has brought something to our attention. It's not that old school zero tolerance policy. It's not nothing like a forceful means. We engage people to get them assistance. We engage people to make sure that they know that there's resources out there. And this team does a fantastic job with that and partnering with other entities. But also, if I may, Heidi, I'd like for you to be able to share with the group as far as how we came into looking into the independent living homes because I know that that that was your baby, right? So the resources you said you want me to touch on that too, the homeless independent living homes. So the independent living homes, actually I feel like it was meant to be. I had, was for a short period of time for about eight months in the special victims unit. And during that period of time I was assigned a case that was an elder abuse case. And quickly within a very short, I want to say it was less than 48 hours, the victim died. So what I did was I basically stopped the investigation at Strax and called the coroner's offices and said, hey, we need to look further into this case, make a long story short. The female was actually residing at a independent living home in Cherryland. And I had from my patrol experience had that a independent living home in Cherryland. And I had from my patrol experience had been to that home several times, knew the conditions were poor, but the report that I had received back from the fire department on what they actually observed, it just increased my need to wanna go back out there and actually view the home again and see the conditions of what that female was in because she was wheelchair bound. I knew that access to that home would have been very difficult without with a wheelchair. And that was the start of the investigation as far as how I got into that specific one home. And then it grew because that business owner slash homeowner owned another home and was connected to another home. And it just continued to grow. But it was basically a death investigation or elder abuse that turned into a death investigation that turned into me putting a team together knowing what I had in that case. I knew that I could hold code enforcement in. I knew that I was going to get alcohol fire involved. I knew that I was going to get the building inspector involved and then from my own calls for service at that home, I knew that there had been vector issues. I mean, I literally had been, you know, standing next to a wall and seeing the bed bug crawling up the wall inches from my arm. So I got vector control, I'll let me account vector control involved. So that's how we end up getting a team together and it grew from there because we realized the complexity of the investigation just grew and grew the more I got into it and realizing how many victims were involved, how they got, how they're getting into the homes, which a lot of it is these people are dealing with substance abuse, mental health issues or both, they end up in the hospital, they have no friends, no family, and they have nowhere to go. So for hospital liability, they can't just kick them out to the street. So what they do is they have these running lists of these independent living homes and they'll call them up and say, hey, can you take this person? Well, sure. How much are they collecting for Social Security? Oh, $900 a month, no problem. I'll come pick them up. And then they'll take them back to the home. And I mean, the conditions are absolutely horrible. I mean, we're improving them now, but in the beginning, I mean, you're talking soiled mattresses that have been used over and over and over, vector control issues, which are bed bugs, maggots, rodents that are throughout all these homes. It's not just one home. It's every group living home that we investigate. And then what I've done too since involving this, I want to make sure I'm putting in here adult protective services. They have become side-by-side partner in this. What I do is I go out and when I'm investigating the welfare of the people inside the homes, if these people don't feel comfortable, they don't feel safe, they don't want to be in these homes, then I'm directly going to the supervisor of adult protective services and making sure that these people are immediately addressed, they're going out, and they're actually getting them relocated to a safer home. Have any of the operators been charged with elder abuse? So I have one case right now that I haven't heard back on, that as far, I don't know, I actually have to ask because I think Clay actually has a case. But yes, we are going after these people, but there's more, it's been more of, yeah, it's been more of a financial way to keep tracking them. I mean, holding them responsible and that is through the code violations. So even if the vector is not taking care of, that still through the code violations. So if it's even if the vector is not taking care of that still is the conditions of the home are not good. So unsanitary. So code enforcement can find for things like that or broken windows, unworking smoking alarms. You know, there's a list that I could go down as far as code violations, but those are probably some of the primary ones I mean when the last home to be invested in best kid was middle-to-winter 40 degrees We get a call for service actually one of our detectives called me up knew that I was actively working the case And it was I think was like 42 that morning when I responded out there There was no heat in the home half the outlets in the home weren't working, the toilets weren't flushing, refrigerator when it closed all the way and severe cockroach infestation and bedbug infestation. So then I basically get my team involved and that home has since been shut down. So is that kind of answer your question? Yeah. Thank you so much. Appreciate the information. We work on addressing this issue. We are going to close out this item but go to public comments. I don't know if there's any individuals online or in person that would like to make a public comment on item number one. Color you're on the line we're on item one. Allison Hayden. We'll do two minutes. Oh, I just wanted to thank the Sheriff's Department for everything they're doing. They are doing a magnificent job in the community and I think that, you know, we can look forward to cleaning up that what we need to, you know, it's not for the Sheriff Department to report to the Board of Supervisors because both of you are directly accountable to the people. And I know you're doing fantastic jobs and you're kind of caught in a general centralization of government, which is all unconstitutional because this this committee actually reports or the Board of Supervisors reports to the people and we have election security also to be concerned with coming up in these in these coming days and there are unconstitutional voting system in place that the people's vote isn't being secured. Your vote when you throw it in, you don't know. Can you please stick to agenda item number one, Allison? So this is your purview though, the supervisors. So I'm using this because you're not going to have a meeting until the 12th. So I'm just saying I'm using my own. You can speak under general public comment at the end of the meeting you have to stick to the topic on the agenda thank you. Next color. Color you're on the line you have two minutes warm item one Alison Monroe. Hello Alison Monroe here with families advocating for the seriously mental I. Was fascinated to hear of these 22 unlicensed group living homes in the unincorporated areas. Because I've been dealing with activism about licensed homes for the seriously mental I. Which are called boardencares and which are in very short supply in this county. The market's not going to provide a solution for people who only have $900 a month to spend and who have substance abuse issues and serious mental illness. As the police have found out you can't make legitimate money providing housing to people this ill. What needs to happen is for the state and the county to get together and build licensed board and cares that are clean, that, you know, reply to state and respond to state inspectors that provide meals that will call you know a hospital or the police if they need to and that's what we need we have so many agencies dealing with what might be the same problem which is that the seriously mental you all have nowhere to go. Thank you very much. I have no more speakers for the item. Thank you. Just a reminder for public comment. You do have to stick to the agenda item item number three on this agenda is for general public comment. So we'll now go on to item number two. This is a review of the 2024 annual military equipment report regarding EB481. Presenter is Captain Dan Brody from Elimita County Sheriff's Office. Welcome. Thank you very much. Good morning supervisors. Good morning everybody in attendance. I'm Dan Brody, Captain with the Sheriff's Office for Support Services. And this is the Military Equipment and Report covering October 1st of 2023 through August 31st of 2024. And this aligns with us shifting our reporting period to cover from September to October. I mean, excuse me, September through August and movie four will be covering from September through August for scheduling and for meeting considerations. So it's introduction. I introduce myself, but I am not the military equipment coordinator. That is Lieutenant Gus Mora, who is a way at training right now. So I'm stepping in for him. And I've assembled a large number of subject matter experts to discuss any questions we may have about the individualized items or their usage. Sergeant Black from the jail to discuss jail policies and jail use. Lieutenant Jones to discuss a close of ordinance disposal unit, Captain Evans to discuss small unmanned aerial vehicles, and Captain Faruja to discuss basically everything else from special response unit to inventory control and a number of other items on the list. So moving on here. So AB 41, we'll talk about the background of this military equipment policy in the assembly bill or equipment use, training, and costs complaints, audits, policy violations. Military equipment that ACSO possesses and evaluation of military equipment and practices, any equipment that we've removed, which you'll see we've removed a large number of items from our equipment, from our inventory, excuse me, any projected acquisitions of items, and then we'll have time for question and discussion. So AB 41, it covers military equipment, deployment use tracking of those items, requires every law enforcement agency to do the following. Create a military equipment, use policy which we have, obtain approval of the policy by each agency's applicable governing body, aka the board suit revisers for us, create an annual report of our military equipment use which we have today, and hold the community engagement reading with community engagement meeting within 30 days of submitting that report which we did on September 11th. We'll cover that as well in here. And for anybody who wants the actual equipment policy, I have a couple copies of the printed version up here. If you have the PowerPoint slide 15, I believe has a QR code as well to the online version of this, if we can save a few trees and doing so. So ACSO retains and employs a wide variety of military equipment to assist with our overall goal of building safer and stronger communities through innovative and inclusive law enforcement practices. We recognize that critical incidents are unpredictable and can be very dynamic in nature. And a variety of military equipment options can greatly assist our members in bringing those incidents to a swift resolution in a safe manner. Military equipment should be employed to enhance the safety of the public and agency members and to bring those incidents to a critical instance to a safe resolution. So government code 7072 requires a summary of military equipment that was used. Any complaints or concerns, the results of any audits or an actions taken in response, the total number, I'm sorry, the total annual cost for our equipment following submission of the equipment report, quantity possessed for each type, additional military equipment we may be requesting in the next year, and then again within 30 days holding a community engagement meeting. So here's a list of very, very brief summary. This is an overview of a rather lengthy, actual equipment report, but a very brief summary of the items that were used during this reporting period. A number of items are the small and mandario vehicles, as you can see, towards the second half of this one, this page, and then another page here, the few more individualized uses. Most of the military equipment in our inventory was acquired prior to the approval of the ordinance itself, resulting in minimal expenditures on new items during this reporting period, and consumable military equipment acquisition and costs for the next 12 months remain consistent with our current replenishment schedules and policies So one of the requirements is to go over training so We have less lethal chemical agent training fire arm tactical rifle instructor training that we provide and with all these trainings That you'll see they're at zero cost to the sheriff's office because they're all in house training that we provide So you see here 78 students attended less lethal chemical agent training at zero cost to the Sheriff's Office because they're all in-house training that we provide. So you see here 78 students attended Leslie, Tholk and LeBla agent training at zero cost. That cost is NA because that's a solely in-house class. Whereas the tractable firearms instructor course there that would cost $937 to attend for someone else, but again because it's in-house, it's zero cost to the Sheriff's Office. I've lost the control of the, I think the mouse moved. There we go. So another course here, 23 students at Firearms Tactical Rifle and 50 students attended right tactical rifle recertification, again at zero cost. And special weapons and tactics, for our SRU folks, 80-hour course for students attended. Again, it's zero cost because we do the training in-house. In addition, there's monthly training that's conducted by these more specialized units to maintain proficiency. And that's the special response unit does 16 hours of training monthly just for general team members, with additional eight hours for sniper team people. The EOD team does eight hours of training monthly, just for general team members, with additional eight hours for sniper team people. The EOD team does eight hours of training on men, aerial vehicle systems, our eight hours and in strategic response team as its own eight hour monthly training as well. So this is a summary of complaints. I'll go slightly out of order here real quick. On bullet three there, ACSO has not received any complaints from the public during this reporting period With regard to the use of military equipment So the first bullet there the use of multi-projected omunitions as a less lethal option tools will discuss further in this presentation But that was actually raised in conversation and discussion But for purposes of we have complaints received we have not received any complaints. Members of public can complain directly to the military coordinator themselves either via phone or via email of this email address, none were received, and then also they can follow the standard citizen complaint procedure either via form or email or phone to internal affairs and then when internal affairs processes that complaint, that would be sent to the military equipment coordinator as well for tracking. So again, no complaints received during this reporting period with respect to military equipment usage. Can you remind me the reporting period when it started? It is October 1st of 2023 through August 31st of 2024, so it's missing September basically. So the military Equipment Coordinator, among their other duties, conducts an annual audit of all equipment listed under the inventory list. There have been no reports of violations of the Military Equipment Policy during the reporting period. An internal audits have indicated no violations or misuse of the equipment as well. And again, there's been no internally discovered or internal complaints from internal affairs regarding this because that would have also went to them as a track's complaint or audit or compliance issue. And we ensure that agency members comply with the AB 41 and all of our written directives. Each individual division is also responsible for ensuring their own compliance with the bill. And this is a slide 15 I mentioned. If anybody needs the QR code, you bring up the extensive military equipment report that was generated. So the evaluation of military equipment includes early detection of wear and tear, conducting regular evaluations to identify any issues impacting functionality, reviewing technology and assessing any potential upgrades or changes and tear, conducting regular evaluations to identify any issues impacting functionality, reviewing technology and assessing any potential upgrades or changes, and comparison with new models, evaluating our existing equipment against new models, and to assess improvements for efficiency safety and capability, and we believe these evaluations demonstrate our agency's commitment to responsible governance and oversight. ACSO has thoroughly reviewed his military equipment, including less lethal tools, in response to community feedback. This evaluation was aimed at enhancing safety and solidifying our less lethal capabilities, demonstrating our commitment and aligning our practices to public concerns and safety standards. So the concerns that were raised, as I mentioned prior, during the 2022-2023 process or specific to multi-projectile impact munitions and alternatives. Their use inside of our Santerita jail, the accuracy of a multi-projectile munition, and other counties use of alternatives. So Sheriff Sanchez committed to a thorough evaluation of alternatives to multi-projectile impact munitions and to prohibiting their use in the therapeutic housing units at the Santerity Jail. So the evaluation includes what are these multi-projectile rounds and equipment. Multi-projectile impact munition is a type of tool designed to deter or stop individuals without causing fatal injuries. Typically used in violent riotous situations or to subdue potentially dangerous individuals while minimizing the risk of serious injury or death. So here's a chart showing the evaluation of the munitions and alternatives. So this is the other counties, obviously, yes, for if they use multi-projectile munitions rounds and know if they don't, are neighboring counties for the most part and still large swath of counties. And then this is breaking down between rubber ball canisters and a 40 millimeter multiple baton round. So the counties that have the rubber ball canister in their inventory and their use and the counties that use the 40 millimeter multiple baton round. There's two slides. So here's the first one. And the second slide. So an evaluation of multi-projectile impact munition alternatives, things are, what are the alternatives? So the use of chemical agents and Oio resin cap succes spray or pepper spray Discharge of a conducted electrical weapon or a taser a single-round less lethal munition Use of personal body weapons Strikes from an agency approved baton or expandable baton an agency approved impact weapon the use of an agency canine or up to lethal force. General order 1.21, which is our less lethal weapon system, was revised on February of 2024, and that revision included the following that under no circumstances shall multi-project alarm munitions be utilized inside of a therapeutic health unit at the Sanerita jail. Additionally, policy procedure 21.1.02, which is specific to the jail, to detention's correction itself was revised in September 15th. With speaking about this, and that policy is currently being rolled out to staff, and its development was in collaboration with consent decree monitors and the Sheriff's Office. So part of that evaluation, as we said, out of the 16 surrounding counties, AIMU's multi-projectile impact munitions, while AIMU's do not, and as of the Region II coordinator for MutualA, the Sheriff's Office frequently responds to incidents across and beyond the region, necessitating a diverse set of tools, despite other counties not using these munitions, our complex responsibilities require maintaining them. However, following the extensive review, we've decided to remove specific multi-projectile impact munitions, such as a 32 caliber rubber ball canister, and 40 millimeter multi-foam rounds from our inventory, to better meet current operational needs, safety standards, and an alignment with the penal code. So now we'll discuss the items that were removed from inventory starting here with the unmanned aerial vehicles. Most of these are discontinued items that are becoming off of inventory. One of here we had listed but we had never actually purchased. This is with respect to ammunition which I'll touch on in a further slide but this is basically a cleanup of some ammunition that we have runeously listed. And then that first one is that browning gun. We had destroyed in July of 2023 so we're now taking it off of our inventory. To continue these items are removed, including that Stinger CS rubber ball canister and rubber blast canister OC. So all these items are being removed from inventory. And these multi-projectile impact rounds, a different type of ball canister for the 32 caliber rubber balls and multiple foam baton rounds are being removed, a number of other rounds being backgrounds, 60 caliber rubber ball round and OC crushable foam round, and so on here, many more rounds that are being removed from our inventory. Some more. And so with respect to the 40 millimeter less lethal munitions, this is a summary of the items that are being removed from that 40 millimeter platform. So ACSO, we have significantly reduced our less lethal munition inventory, moving 783 items, including 426 chemical agents and 357 impact rounds. And this action has decreased the overall count of multi-projected ammunition in our possession. So now to project ad acquisition, so to protect things we want to purchase in the following year. This is that ammunition that I spoke about. So we had enroniously listed it as the 308 Winchester 168 grain. We actually have the 308 Winchester 196 grain in inventory. So on a board letter that will be accompanying the board letter for this military equipment policy will be correcting that with you. You expect to see that here and hopefully in November. Additional acquisitions, so these acquisitions, as you'll see that go by, these are all inventory increase acquisitions for items that have been previously approved. With the reduction in the other items, we want to increase our inventory to ensure we have items on hand if necessary. And again, all previously approved items just increasing the number that we have in supply. And then a projected acquisition of pepper ball, pepper ball less lethal launcher and less lethal system will be asking to be acquiring. It offers a great effective range providing safer distance for operation. It has a huge flexibility of ammunition that can be used for different operational needs enhancing our tactical versatility. As a reduced injury risk, these projectels are designed to burst on impact, preserving a lower risk of serious injury. They're very generally less expensive to maintain and operate, so it'll be cost effective. Easy to train with people that have taken the training or people that are delivering the training, and positive feedback from other agencies that are using the platform as well, which will be on another slide. We'll tell you the other agencies using them with improved operational outcomes and fewer incidents of severe injuries. So here's a list of the other jurisdictions in our area, counties utilizing the Pepperball launcher. You see a large number of counties are already utilizing this platform. The Pepperball Leslie's launcher is designed to fire 68 caliber Pepper Balls using compressed airs or CO2 effective for crowd control, individual incapacitation deterrence can be used in a wide variety of operational scenarios. So we'll be asking to acquire 25 of the launchers themselves. And then the next slide actually goes more into the projectiles. So the live X projectile is a container concentration of 5% Pava, powder, or OC, like pepper spray, same sort of thing, as well as marking projectiles, which are designed to use pink paint to mark people for later identification apprehension or questioning. And then inert projectiles used for training, qualifications, or for direct impact designed a burst upon impact, I should say there. So ACSO's fulfilled our requirements, except 4th and AB481. We have a general order, 2.21.02, our military equipment funding, acquisition and use policy. That geo is reviewed annually and published on the ACSO website, along with all of our policies and procedures and the military equipment and report reaffirms our commitment to providing transparency and information to communities and elected officials in addition to ensuring compliance with the law. So for that on the 11th of September we held a community engagement meeting at Castro Valley Library. There were nine members of the public in attendance. 34 people watched it virtually with 24 live views, and the meeting was conveniently located and well publicized as is required. So public concerns that were brought up in this last meeting. Number one, the Sheriff's Office proposes to keep more than 600 multiple projectile munitions in inventory, and the concern was that we should dispose of all of them. Second, that our policy for the use of impact projectiles or rubber bullets is including the multi-projectile munitions is too broad. Third, military weapons can still use a target individuals with mental health issues in the jail for noncompliance. And four, there are gaps in reporting detailed information on the use of military equipment and ACSO should address those gaps. Five, the sheriff's office used drones or small and mandario vehicles at UC Berkeley and a bear cat or a armored vehicle at the Cal Poly Humboldt during student-led protests. And six, ACSO should report on the personnel cost for training and for overtime. in the field of field. So we had a lot of work to do with the evaluated less lethal munitions options, found that it was consistent with surrounding county and ventorious policies and practices, implying with the penal code, and we've removed nearly 1,000 rounds of munitions in 2024 and 2025. We've updated specific to concerns raised in the community meeting. We have updated General Order 1.21, which is our less lethal general order, to align specifically with General Order 1.05 use of force. And it expressly calls out that any utilization of any less lethal device against a person must comply with general order 1.05 use of force, clearing up some of those issues that were raised with respect to the use of those on non-compliant individuals or other situations. And additionally policy procedure 21.1.02 for detention and corrections defines de-escalation techniques to gain voluntary compliance whenever possible. The Sheriff's Office is seeking a software tracking solution for long-term tracking and military equipment, and we've implemented regular training to ensure understanding ongoing compliance and increased transparency sought by members of the public. The, with respect to the unmanned aerial vehicle that was utilized, it was deployed not to monitor protesters at all, but in response to university, university of California owned property being broken into and barricaded. And with respect to the armored vehicle deployment, it was not deployed at Humboldt, at with the protesters, with the student-led protest. It was simply brought up there to be staged in the event of need to contain equipment should we need to use it. It's also a potential rescue vehicle, so we wanted to have it on hand in case we needed it. But at no time was it deployed forward with the actual protest itself. So that concludes this and any questions or comments you have. Thank you so much. I have a few questions. How many times was the Sheriff's Office deployed for Mutual Aid during this reporting period? Is that something we track? It is. Yes, we do track the deployment anytime we are asked in the sheriff approves mutual aid to inside the county or outside the county we do track that. The number of I don't have that off the top of my head I can find out for you. Okay, do you have a sense if it was more than five times more than ten times just a rough estimate? I would probably say it's probably less than 10 between 5 and 10. Okay. And then when we do go out and provide mutual aid, are we required to follow policies and procedures of that specific jurisdiction, whether it's the equipment we're using, tactics, do we basically just go and provide services as if we was in our own community or there are guidelines on what you cannot do. So anytime we deploy for Mutual Aid, we, all the sheriff's health members, follow our policies. It's unreasonable for other agencies to ask us to follow our policies because our people aren't familiar with them. Our people are trained and know our policies therefore we follow our policies anytime we go there. And that's the standard across the board for all agencies. There are some agencies within the county that will have restrictions on what they want agencies to do. But usually at the end of the day, it's we always follow our policies. Okay. And in the report, you indicated reducing the multi-projectile impact emissions, I think almost by 700. How was that determination made and also reported not using them at all during this reporting period? So you repeat the first. So there's a reduction in the use of the multi-projectile impact munitions. I think you're reducing it close to like 700. I think it was six, seven years like that in the report. But then it also stated that they were not deployed at all during this reporting period. So just help me understand how you came up with that number and the reduction and what alternative approaches were used to not have to deploy the scatter shots. So to answer your first question, the ones that were removed were ones that we just don't use that we had in our inventory prior to the to a before 81. So looking at over the years, the types of munitions that we use on a regular basis, those ones we don't use that often or if ever. So from a fiscal responsibility and an inventory responsibility, we decided to get rid of those. And then for, can you repeat question number two? So they weren't used at all during this reporting period. So what other methods, what give me like an example of when you're making that call to not use that, that I don't know what to consider it, that item and you're choosing to approach things with an alternative approach. Just trying to understand when you would use it, I'm glad to hear that they weren't used, but what was being done in order to not deploy the scatter shot. So for the munitions, people or agency members, they, they're familiar with certain pieces of equipment or certain types of munitions that they've used in the past. So a lot of times depending on the situation, they'll use a type of munition if it calls for it, if it, that something that they're familiar with that they've used in the past. So a lot of times for the munitions that are obscure, like the ones we removed or asking to remove, they don't use those, they're not familiar with them. It's kind of old technology. So they go with something that they're familiar with. And so when the situation dictates, it'll use something that they're confident in its ability and how it works. Okay, so how me understand why we would want to keep them in our inventory if they haven't been used in a year? Well, for a couple of the multi-protectile munitions that Captain Brody talked about, like the multiple wood baton and the multiple rubber baton, those we want to keep those in our inventory. And the reason why is that's an option to have. multiple rubber baton those we want to keep those in our inventory and the reason why is that's an option to have. So the wood baton we don't use those against people. We use those against cameras if we come across a camera that we have to disable we would use the wood baton for that. So I've seen in my experience we've used foam baton on a camera and it doesn't work. So the wood baton would be a situation where we would want to keep it in our inventory for the same thing with the rubber baton. So we want to keep things in our inventory, a small amount of multi-projected almynicians because the capability and the options that they give us in certain situations when they come up. So. And then are these on your person? Does everyone carry one with them? Is it just situational? How may understand how you even access one? So the wood batons, those are only carried by our special response unit, our SWAT team. So those aren't deployed to the other duty stations. The vast majority of munitions that the agency has access to. A lot of times those are either in the duty station or they're on the supervisors' vehicles. So when the deputies respond to an incident where they come across something where they may need to use a Leslie Thomeanition. A lot of times the supervisor hears it on the radio. They're aware of it. They'll respond and then they'll evaluate the situation. And so it's usually stored in the vehicles. Okay. Thank you. Those are all my questions for now. President Miley. Yeah. Thanks for the presentation. Initially, let me just ask Kevin Council, based on the presentation and report, is this in compliance with the law? I believe it is your supervisor. Okay. You know, generally I want to state that I think it's important that the officers, the deputies, have the necessary tools to ensure officer safety, the safety of the public, the safety of a victim or a culprit. It's important that they have the tools in order to do the job. I don't want to second guess what tools they need to do the job and do it effectively and ensure once again their safety, the public, the victim, someone who's a perpetrator, etc. I mean, I have raised concerns with the 50 caliber machine gun. Cause you know, I didn't think we needed that. That's a weapon of war having machine gun on the boat out here in the assuary. I just didn't think we needed that. And we stated we wanted that to be removed from the last internal mode. It's been destroyed. So that's no longer an issue for me, but it's rare that I'll try to second guess the Shur's Department. But that was an example of what I thought was just a little bit farfetched, a 50 caliber machine gun for sure. What I want to check on is, you know, there's a lot here, but what about the tasers presently using one taser? And are you, does this report show the need to switch to the taser 10? So the conducted energy weapon, the taser, is not a part of the military equipment policy, so it wouldn't be on it. It wouldn't be there. Okay, good. Because I support you switching to the taser 10. Thank you. And what about the cameras, body worn cameras, cameras in the car? This is report. Have to deal with that at all. No, sir, they're not on the side. Okay. All right. And then the final thing is, this report does cover the aerial drones. Okay. So, do we have this sufficient technology we need to provide aerial surveillance to ensure to deal with emergencies, deal with criminal activity, things that nature is that, is that in the street port or does it need to be included or we, we good? Because once again, I see a lot of stuff happening, particularly relates to San Francisco and I'm curious whether or not we're moving in that direction because I, quite frankly, I support what's happening in San Francisco. So, I, and I don't understand it enough, but I've been a very strong supporter of the use of drones since the beginning, as well as surveillance cameras in public and public setting because I feel those are tools that help to deter crime, reduce crime, and provide for ability to enforce the law. So what's, did you talk about drones here? So what's the situation with that? Absolutely sir. Yes, a very robust small unman aerial vehicle unit. We were earlier doctors of the technology as you know. I got a thumbs up from Captain Evans over the unit to back up my thoughts that during the analysis, we have what we need to support and maintain that unit and provide those operations and that safety and security. Okay, good. And then I know people don't like to see the bearcat. But the point is, it can be used for both safety for the officers, safety for, to evacuate someone. It can be used as something for intimidation to get somebody to comply. I just couldn't see why we would want to eliminate that tool from your equipment because it's intimidating, but that's intimidating for purpose and it serves a good purpose. You want to talk about that a little further? Absolutely. Supervisor, I could talk about the bear cat or it's actually probably should be referred to as armored response or rescue vehicle because really that's what it's designed to do. It's not designed to be intimidating. It's designed to protect people. Designed to protect citizens and it's designed to protect Alameda County Sheriff's Office and County staff. We've used it in numerous situations where we actually had to evacuate citizens from the area of an incident where, like a violent incident that we had a deal with. So we've used it to move citizens out of harm's way and it's a very capable tool that protects us. We've actually, the bear cat has been shot at before by a suspect in another county. And during that time, that vehicle was being used to move citizens from their house because of an armed violence suspect. So it has a place in this business. How many of those do we have? One. We have two bear cats, and then we have an additional one. There are armored vehicles. We have three. They're made by different manufacturers, but the term bear cat is just, it's the company that Lanko that builds it. It's just referred to as a bear cat. Other companies make armored vehicles, but essentially they serve the same purpose, which is an armored rescue vehicle to help people. Yeah, and you know, I've seen it out in, like for National and Night Out, and I mean, I know you're kind of, kind of a surrecoating it, but it is intimidating, and I don't mind that. I want it to be intimidating. If you didn't have it, what would be the alternative in what could be the consequences? The alternative and the worst case scenario is people could be killed by violent felons with firearms. So the normal vehicles aren't built and designed to stop bullets. So if you had an armed suspect that was shooting at either citizens or the police and they and all we had it was a regular vehicle, that bullet's going to go through the glass, it's going to go through the door, it's going to go through the fender and then people would get hit. So if I can add some information as well too, these vehicles allow for our staff to be able to give people time. And when I say that, you know, we're going into areas where we potentially have a barricaded subject, a hostage situation, we're trying to negotiate down and de-escalate. These vehicles and the fact that our staff can remain behind these vehicles or within these vehicles to be able to give people time and explain the circumstances and try to get them to cooperate and have a safe ending. These vehicles are a part of that process and we spend hours on scene now. This is a different way of doing things. We used to be very dynamic in our approaches and break down doors and go into a situation. These vehicles allow for us to have that time to talk to to someone who's in a residence, in a, in a, in a whatever facility they're in, who are armed, who are a danger to themselves as well as anybody else who may be in their vicinity. So it is a critical tool and it's something that will remain in our inventory. Okay. And with the scattered shot, the munitions, why do you need them? The scatter shot, the term used, I don't know if it's necessarily an accurate description of what they're designed to do, but the reason why I think that the sheriff's office should keep those in our inventory, and it's really only three of them. It's the wood batons, like I mentioned earlier. We don't use those against people. We could use those against cameras or to break windows to gain access to an area that say blocked. Same with the rubber batons. Same situation we would use those as the wood baton. And then the sting balls, balls, I believe we should keep those because those are more of a psychological tool as opposed to a paying compliance type tool. Because they make a loud noise, they essentially blow up, make a loud noise flash. And so a lot of times when we're dealing with say a barricaded person or somebody that's not compliant using that could maybe make them reevaluate what it is that they're doing and say okay well you know it they're throwing something at me it makes a loud noise you know I'm gonna give up so it's a it's an option that I believe that we should keep, because if we remove that option, then we limit the amount of tools that the sheriff's office has that might force us to do something else that we may not want to do because that option is off the table. Mm-hmm. Okay. I think that's it for now. Thank you. We're going to go to public comment. I know we have individuals here in the chambers as well as online. So two minutes and again, just a reminder of that public comment at this time is reserved only for item number two, which is the review of the 2024 Annual Military Equipment Report regarding AB 41. I'll alternate between in-person and online speakers, first in-person speaker Jennifer, from American Friend Service Committee. Hi, thank you. My name is Jennifer too. I work with the American Friends Service Committee. I want to thank the sheriff for that presentation and responding to community requests to reduce the inventory of the dangerous Scattershot munitions. I want to speak more today specifically about one of those Scattershots that is being kept. That's the DEF Tech 1087, the Grenade Form Factor. The sheriff currently holds about 200 of these. None were used this year, but last year, in the previous year, two were deployed in the jail prior to entrance. Jail cells are small. I believe Santa Rita Jails are about seven feet by seven feet. And the 1087, this is a Scattershot grenade form factor, and it sends dozens of rubber balls out in a 50 foot radius. They're designed to move at a high enough velocity to be painful. And today, I wanted to understand what a 50 foot radius is. If a 1087 Scattershotade were here at this podium, what would that last radius be? So I've got two tape measures here, a 35 and a 16 foot that adds up to about 51 feet. So I can get your help. And so we're just going to quickly understand what that radius would look like if a grenade a 10807 scatter shot grenade were dropped here at the podium. And remember, this is just the radius. So it's just 50 feet that you're seeing. So you're going to have to use your imagination for how far these dozens of fast moving rubber pellets might go in all directions from here. So, you know, all around, up, and also to use your imagination to imagine what the impact would be like in a seven by seven-foot cell or a way that would be like to get one if these fast-moving rubber pellets to the face, to the eye. Scatter shots are safe. Please reduce the quantity to zero. Thank you. I'm going to ask you to ask the question. I'm going to ask the question. I'm going to ask the question. I'm going to ask the question. I'm going to ask the question. I'm going to ask the question. I'm going to ask the question. I'm going to ask the question. I'm going to ask the question. I'm going to ask the question. I'm going to ask the question. I'm going to say that this like so called less lethal policy has holes that are really putting our public at like serious risk. Right now, Alameda County Sheriff's Office policies, let's deputies use a wide array of munitions on people for just simply not complying and not only are the deputies allowed to fire on people who don't understand orders or an mental health crisis, but it also would permit use on people who aren't even a threat to anyone's life. The sheriff's requesting 25 new pepper ball launchers that can unleash 160 projectiles in under three minutes. For context, their current launcher holds just around 15 rounds, so that would be a massive increase in firepower for an office that's fired 35 projectiles in total last year. It's excessive, it's dangerous, especially when used in unpredictable situations. The Sheriff's Office also wants to keep nearly 8,000 single shot projectiles and it's arsenal along with over 600 scattershot munitions. The scattershots can't be aimed precisely, meaning anyone in close by risk is going to be at risk. And I think Jennifer just spoke to that as well. And so do we want to use these weapons in our communities to put more people at risk, people that are just simply walking around. I think that's like super dangerous and totally uncalled for. I myself have actually been hit by a scatter shot while they were trying to get somebody else and it's dangerous and it's it freaking hurts also. So I'm asking you to use your authority under AB4 at one and step up. Make it clear that the Sheriff's Office can't fire these so-called Leslie Thul at people in mental health crisis, minors, elders, or anyone that's not posing any threat. Please. Good afternoon, Kamah. Thank you. I'm going to go ahead and ask you to go ahead and ask you to go ahead and ask you to go ahead and ask you to go ahead and ask you to go ahead and ask you to go ahead and ask you to go ahead and ask you to go ahead and ask you to go ahead and ask you to go ahead and ask you to go ahead and ask you to go ahead and ask you to go ahead and ask speaking for a fellow Oakland resident who couldn't be here today. So just read her statement. My name is Mugally Ruhr. I'm a resident of Oakland and a researcher studying the use of Scattershot munitions by law enforcement. I'm here to express my concerns about the Sheriff's Department using these weapons. Scattershot munitions are unpredictable and indiscriminate, making them especially dangerous and crowded or residential areas where innocent people, including children, could be hurt. This damages the trust between the community and law enforcement, which is essential for safety. These weapons also raise serious human rights concerns as they can lead unnecessary injuries and excessive use of force, especially in situations where de-escalation should be the priority. Scattershot can inflate serious injuries, such as bruising, internal bleeding, broken bones, and eye injuries. If fired at close range, particularly to the head and neck or chest, the impact force could be life-threatening. The Sheriff's Department currently holds over 600 scattershot munitions, including 203 sting balls that explode on impact and release rubber pellets in all directions, putting anyone nearby at risk. With these risks in mind, I'm asking the board to pause the use of scattershot munitions and conduct a thorough review of their dangers. I think it's important to have more community discussions so that public safety measures better align with what residents want and what's actually best practice. Thank you for your time and attention to this matter. Collar, you're on the line. You have two minutes. Arianna. Hi, good morning. Thank you to the board of supervisors for letting me speak. My name is Ariana Castiano's So I really wanted to highlight that there's a current request on the table for an increase in 6000 new pepper ball project dials and you know we want to decrease the excessive projectiles arsenal. So, for example, the 40-millimeter single-shot projectile. So given the low incidence of use in the past, eight projectiles and two incidents, no current expansion is needed or justified. There's no situation in which expanding the shares arsenal to more than 14,000 single-shot projectiles would make our community safer. And ultimately, you know, I really want more people to take into consideration like the cost that this might put on the table in terms of actual financial burden on taxpayers, especially if civilians are at risk of getting injured because there's not an ability to accurately use these weapons. We've had people from the community today share that they've been hit by these. So I think that it's worthy to continue to look specifically at things like the pepper ball launcher that has a hopper of 160 rounds that can all be fired from a single launcher in under three minutes. So, you know, in comparison, the sheriff's existing launchers use 15 round magazines. So this just to go to the committee. I'm going to go to the committee. I'm going to go to the committee. I'm going to go to the committee. I'm going to go to the committee. I'm going to go to the committee. I'm going to go to the committee. I'm going to go to the committee. I'm going to go to the committee. I'm going to organizer, we have some youth in the house. So I just wanted to speak on behalf of our community, some public concerns of ours. Pretty much is just on the use of language. I think meaning has arrived by the use of language within the linguistic community and the fact that we don't have clear and defined language of what non-compliance is, what self-destructive individuals are, and things like that really allows for a slippery slope within the gels or in just a public sector. So my concerns are really just making sure that we can all just kind of find a commonality between what is being said, how it's being said, because as much as I do appreciate the summary of the reports, I want to, you know, what is deployment, what is use, and even in the summary of the reports, having greater context about what the situation wasn't how it occurred. And I do, like, I don't want to come up here and just seem like I'm bashing anyone. But I genuinely do appreciate an applaud the efforts that were made in the name of progress. I just don't feel that we are there enough yet. Because even like some of our youth family were opposed to even sending them here because of the context of policing means fear, you know? So I feel that if there is a greater emphasis on language that would help us build and bridge the gap between trusting each other, rather than fearing that our elected officials and trusted folks are going to then be treacherous against us. So as much as like, it could be our guardian angels that are sought seeking to protect us, it almost feels like these people are like harboring hatred or fear and like projecting this onto folks. And so again, as much as I love Oakland, I really just want us to come together better, because weapons are designed to create harm and perpetuate violence when our God-given talent of using our words is working to promote healing. So I really do hope to have a greater discussion with all of you just on how we can, you know, solve these issues together. So I appreciate your time and thank you. Collar, you're on the line. You have two minutes. Willem. Unmute your microphone. Willum Vandecamp. Thank you. My name is Willum Vandecamp. I'm a member of the Interfaith Coalition for Justice in our Jails. And one of the goals of the coalition is to decrease harmful conditions in the jail. I'm also involved with the Care First Community Coalition. Concerning the Sheriff's Office report, I appreciate the report and the removal of various weapons, but when scatter shots are called less lethal, they are still lethal. And I'm therefore in favor of banning these weapons from our county, so no stinger balls, no single shot, 40 millimeter projectiles with pellets. There is no way to precisely aim these projectiles. And moreover, they can also be used in certain sections of the jail, the non-terraputic sections, and the effects are very harmful. This is even more so when used with people who suffer mental illness, often non-white. I urge public protection to have the Sheriff Office not use these weapons anymore. In addition I propose to decrease, not increase the amount of military equipment. We don't need 6,000 new pepper balls. It is not needed and it is harmful. Finally, the policy for use of the military equipment is way too broad and I urge you to begin with the restriction not to use them with people in a mental health crisis and with minors. That would be a good start for the Sheriff's Office to protect the public. Thank you. Laura? Laura McGonney? Good morning. Laura Mignani. I live in Berkeley. I've been in the Alameda County for most of my adult life. I read the Sheriff's report on the use of scattershot and single shot devices. And I applaud the fact that for the most part in this last year they have not been used. It baffles me then why you are asking for significantly expanding the inventory. They're asking for a 40% increase in single shot projectiles. That means 25 more launchers and 6,000 projectiles. In addition to the 8,000 they already have. Instead, the county should be reducing the number of single shot projectiles by 7,000 and eliminating all the scatter shot devices, which by definition are, as you've heard, unamable, in other words, they can't be controlled. The legislation, AB481, requires counties to review these policies, at least annually, and lets us know that Alameda's inventory of scatter shot munitions is exponentially higher than other counties for which we have data. Only one of those counties comes close to us, which is counter-costa, with 400 scattershot devices compared to our 600 followed by Sacramento with less than 200. These are the numbers for Alameda. These numbers are without additional weapons that they are requesting. We should be reducing of the arsenal, not increasing it. One other point that I want to make is that I'm a plaintiff in the lawsuit against the sheriff that was a hern at the time, which was settled in favor of the disabled prisoners on whom we were litigating. However, the implementation has been extremely slow at way behind schedule. If we're spending money on these weapons, we're not able to spend money on other things that we've already committed to. I really want you to consider that. Thank you. Collar, you're on the line. You have two minutes. Chris, good morning. Okay, good. My name is Chris Lee. Well now I'm currently pursuing a masters in social work at UC Berkeley and serve as an organizer at restore Oakland. I'm here to address item two and urge the board of supervisors to deny the Alameda County Sheriff's Office request to retain 613 scatter shot munitions and expand its arsenal of single shot 40 millimeter projectiles. The sheriff's policy on less lethal weapons allows for the use of various single shot and scatter shot munitions, some with chemical agents. However, the policy is overly broad and it authorizes the use of less lethal in situations where individuals may simply be non-compliant or actively resisting without posing a direct threat to anyone's safety. It raises critical questions about when such use is deemed authorized and what is considered reasonable. It could lead to unnecessary or excessive use of force on people who may not be threatening harm, but are simply not cooperating. For instance, the policy list self-destructive individuals as a potential case for deployment, the springs up significant concerns, for example if an individual is experiencing a mental health crisis or engaging in a self-farm with this policy authorised using less lethal force against them. Under the state law AB481, governing bodies are required to review military equipment used policies annually and approve only those policies that protect public safety, welfare, civil rights, and civil liberties. This policy falls short of that standard as it poses risks to individuals experiencing mental health crises, those who may not understand spoken commands, and those in close proximity who face an elevated risk of serious bodily harm. There isn't need for greater discretion, and specific guidelines around situations not currently detailed in the policy. I just wanna thank the Board of Supervisors for your consideration. Barbara Gunn-Larty. Good morning supervisors and sheriff. My name is Barbara Gunn-Larty and on behalf of the American Friends Service Committee, I'm here to present the pre-recorded public comment of Dr. Terry Cooper's, a forensic psychologist who is frequently sought after for his expertise, his extensive expertise, experience and research on the incongruent impact of weapons such as the scatter shot munitions. I am Terry Cooper's a psychiatrist forensic psychiatrist. I'm a professor at the right institute and I testify regularly and do research about jails and prisons, including use of force by officers, police in the community and correction officers inside the jails and prisons. I'm here to testify about the dangers of scatter guns or what are essentially riot guns being used by the Sheriff's Department. I understand they want to purchase scatter guns and single pellet guns. These are very dangerous instruments and unfortunately people with serious mental illness are more often than not the target for this kind of shooting. What happens? Let's start with a single pellet. It's, there are various kinds of guns that fire these pellets. At demonstrations, they're fired into the crowd from 30 or 60 feet away. But I've seen them used in jails and prisons, the county jails in California and the California Department of Fraction and Rehabilitation. Our officers send outside a cell with bars and shoot this thing through the bars. They're very speedy pellets and they ricochet. Thank you. Can you mute it? Sorry. Thank you. You could email us the information if you want to provide more detail. Thank you. Collar, you're on the line. You have two minutes, Neil. Thank you. Collar, you're on the line. You have two minutes, Neil. Thank you. My name is Neil Corny, research associate at the Omega Research Foundation, Manchester United Kingdom. I chair the UK Police's National Taser Stakeholder Advisory Group, scrutinising use of Taser Weapons and attend the UK's Leslethal Weapons Working Group, overseeing the selection, testing, policy and practice on all Leslethal Weapons options for UK policing. The UK has never used multiple projectile munitions. They are indiscriminate, you can never know precisely where the projectiles will impact, and they pose an undue risk of serious life-changing injury, disfigurement, disability or even death. A crucial attribute for any projectile is accuracy in order to lawfully target an individual posing a threat. Multiple projectiles are indiscriminate and can never be accurate. In discriminant use of force may be classed as unlawful use of deadly force by the cause. International policing standards are clear. The 2020 UN guidance on less lethal weapons, notes, multiple projectiles fired at the same time are inaccurate and their use cannot comply with the principles of necessity and proportionality. The 2024 model protocol to promote and protect human rights in the context to be the protest states that law enforcement officials must ensure that kinetic impact projectiles are never indiscriminately fired into a crowd nor especially targeted at the head or torso. It is widely accepted that certain weapons have no place in legitimate policing operations. A 2023 United Nations report on trade and use of law enforcement weapons included multiple projectile munitions on a list of items that should be prohibited because of their indiscriminate nature, the harm they cause and because safer alternatives are readily available. It's widely recognised that improved policing tools are needed. You have a chance today to move away from obsolete and indiscriminate munitions. I urge you to remove all multiple projectile munitions from police. John Lindsay Pollan. Good morning. I wanted to add to a few things that have been said. One is that the Pepperball Launcher Fire's 10 projectiles per second, which means it would empty its round, its container of than half of this public comment. The defense tech 1087, multiple projectile weapon was not used last year. And it really should not, although it is supposed to be used only against cameras, that is not what the policy says. The policy allows it to be used on people. But then again, why would you use it on a camera when it is not accurate? It can't be aimed properly. So I will read Neil just talked about the UN report, the UN Special Repertour in torture in its report last year says ammunition containing multiple kinetic impact projectiles is inaccurate, indiscriminate, arbitrary, and cannot be used safely as it is not possible to accurately target all of the projectiles dispersed. As such, the use of this ammunition carries a significant risk of injuries, including to sensitive parts of the body such as the head or eyes. This ammunition also poses a significant risk to bystanders. This ammunition fulfills no legitimate law enforcement purpose that cannot be achieved through the use of ammunition containing single non-metallic kinetic impact projectiles. For that reason, this is why we urge you to ban these particular types of weapons. I would note that for the single project dial munitions, Oakland Police Department already restricts their use. There's significantly more that could be done in order to prevent the use of single use project dials in ways that don't harm people unnecessarily. Our suggestions are in situations where there is no already a threat to serious harm harm or death. Thanks. Collar, you're on the line. You have two minutes, Michelle. Tisa, how many more speakers do we have? Okay. We're going to do the five, are they all online? Okay. So we're going to allow the five speakers online. If there's anyone in the room that would like to make a comment under this item, please fill out a speaker card. We are going to close public comment shortly. Everyone will still be given two minutes after public comment. We're going to take a five minute recess. Michelle Taylor, Senator Edagel teacher. I have more questions than comments this morning. I wanted to know how many complaints did ACSL receive from the public during the last reporting period. and what those dispositions were. One of the things that Captain Brody spoke about is that any member of the public can submit a citizen complaint online using the form that's on the Sheriff's Office website. What is the process once that complaint is received and routed to the IA unit? I ask specifically because I've had experience submitting my own public complaint to IA and unfortunately my complaint was sat on for five almost six months before anything was done and ultimately nothing was done on that complaint. So some of my other questions is why not have a neutral third party person conduct the internal audits to determine whether or not policy violations are occurring. I think if you wanted to talk about trust and accountability and transparency with the public, the public would feel a little bit safer if there are neutral third parties involved. I think the last slide was on transparency and trust and systematic evaluations. I have to say that is Captain Daniel Brody is a part of the military equipment. The public is in trouble because as a captain of internal affairs you've failed with your job. Thank you. Collar, you have two minutes, mirror shorts. Good morning. I'm Murder Shorts, resident of D5, and with the Interfaith Coalition for Justice in Our Jails. At last year's hearing on this topic, many of us commented on the terrifying possibility that Scottish hot munitions were being used to control people detained in Santa Rita. Thankfully, we've learned there were no such incidents in the past year and that their use in therapeutic housing units are now prohibited and that ACSOs facing out some of these dangerous weapons. I urge you now based on all of the commentary that you've heard from experts this morning. And previously, I urge you now to go the full measure, and completely the remaining 600 plus scattershot munitions in the Sheriff's Arsenal. Regarding single shot projectiles, if I'm understanding right, the sheriff's current arsenal is upwards of 8,000 and they're calling for expansion. This request represents an unnecessary risky and wasteful use of taxpayer dollars and should be rejected. Finally, I endorse the call to add basic common sense protections to ACSO's use policy governing all impact projectiles. Except for human life is threatened, the policy should prohibit firing on a person who's a minor, elderly or pregnant, someone in mental health crisis or otherwise not understanding or complying with officer commands or anyone close enough that the projectile in perilous life. Thank you very much. Collar, you're on the line. You have two minutes. Jonah Walters. Hello, good morning. My name is Dr. Jonah Walters. I'm a postdoctoral fellow at UCLA in the Life Sciences Division. I conduct research on so-called less lethal weapons, including kinetic impact projectiles and chemical compounds like OC and PABA. I'm here to express my opposition in the strongest possible terms to the Sheriff's Department's request to increase its arsenal of these munitions in the absence of robust and specific standards that would establish meaningful limits on their use. My concerns apply just as much to single shot kinetic munitions as to the multi impact or scatter shot munitions. I also just want to respond directly to some of the remarks that were made earlier, which suggested that so-called pepper bomb munitions are necessarily less dangerous than other kinds of kinetic impact rounds. This is an element of the manufacturer's marketing language about these devices, but frankly, it's just not supported by the science. In fact, pepper bomb munitions, especially when used in enclosed or crowded environments, are actually more dangerous, or can be more dangerous, since the chemical compounds they contain cause serious respiratory symptoms that have been linked to numerous deaths. Said simply, less lethal munitions like OC, Pava, Connecticut, Impact, Rounds can and do cause serious injuries, including lethal ones. It's my opinion that for the board of supervisors to support the purchase of these munitions without establishing clear limits on their use, in fact, damages not enhances the public safety of Alameda County residents. It also could expose the county to serious legal liabilities that seem not to have been anticipated by the board or by the sheriff. Certainly the seriousness of those liabilities have not yet been discussed at this meeting. Please move towards decreasing not increasing the sheriff's department's less lethal arsenal and please immediately establish robust specific and enforceable limits on the use of less lethal weapons, including kinetic impact projectiles in all situations. Thank you. Caller, you have two minutes. Wendy Alson. unmute your microphone, Wendy. I'm going to ask you to ask the staff to be here. I'm going to ask the staff to be here. Caller, you're on the line. You have two minutes. Barb at well. Hi, this is Barb at well from from the Berkeley friends meeting. I am a proud resident of district five. Just want to reinforce what others have said which is that the use policy for yes less lethal is overly broad and fails to safeguard the public safety welfare civil rights and civil liberties what we need to do is make a make ample room for off served discretion even when these very broad basic prohibited uses, unless it is to defend against a threat to life or seriously, serious, broadly, bodily inter-dry to any individual, prohibit the firing on a person who is experiencing a mental health crisis, prohibit firing on a person who is close enough for that projectile, which may have an increased risk of life or serious bodily injury. I appreciate your time. Thank you. Wendy, you have two minutes? Yes, Wendy Elson from the Berkeley Friends meeting and community care coalition want to echo what others have said to ban scattershot munitions to not increase the single shot munition inventory and to strengthen and make more detail tighten the use of force policy to avoid such things that have been previously said, where there's noncompliance without threat or force that there's no need for this. Also, especially for persons in mental health crisis, or minor, elderly, or pregnant, and the alternatives need to be explored in when the use of trained community engagement community negotiators wasn't mentioned as alternative to be deployed in any of these situations in the explanations given by the police department in the Sheriff's Office. And really appreciate the work of this committee and the Board of Supervisors in monitoring this. We can see it's making a different salary in reducing some of the inventory and ask you to continue your work to strengthen the use of force policy so that there's less threat of to life. Thank you. Okay. So we're going to take a five minute recess. Thank you. Recording stopped. I'm going to go to the committee. Recording in progress. Okay. Thank you, everybody. If you could please take a seat. Reconvene this meeting. President Miley, do you have any questions? I have one more question. Do you have any questions? Oh yes. Please take a roll call. Supervisor Miley. Supervisor Marquez. Present. Thank you. Do you have a question? Yeah, we've heard a lot of testimony, and I'd like to see if there's any responses to any of it. And the Sheriff's Department. I'm sorry, that was a question to respond to some of the concerns that were brought forth. Yeah, I think that a lot of the questions were about policy and use of our equipment and Captain Faruja here can speak very intimately about our policy and talk about some of the comments that were made. So there was a lot of concerns that was brought up by the public. So I would just like to, there was a lots of digest, so I would just like to comment on some of those things that were discussed. So in particular to the Pepperball launchers, the reason why we're asking for those is because those will be a direct replacement for the FN303 that we have in our inventory. So that we're not increasing any launchers. It'll, it's a direct one for one replacement. And the reason why we're doing a one for one replacement because the FN303 that we currently have, they're broken, we can't get parts form, so they're not functional. So it's not an increase in that. Same thing to goes with the munitions. So once we get rid of the FN303s, and if we get approval to get the pepper balls, the munitions will be a one-for-one replacement as well. So we're not increasing 6,000 munitions. It's a one-for-one replacement. In regards to increasing quantities of other single shot munitions that they talked about, the reason why we're increasing it is not because we want to use it any more on anybody, but we have 15 duty stations around 15 duty stations in the sheriff's office that has less sleep munitions. And so, and it's usually a four to six month lead time when we order from the time we receive them. So to be responsible in logistics, we are trying to increase those quantities so we don't have to order, you know, every couple months in the time frame of life expectancy of those is five years. So it's not every year that we're ordering or trying to increase our quantities. It's because we want to do a one time order, they're good for five years, and that we have sufficient on hand to replenish duty stations if they do in fact use them. The also in regards to the Pepper Ball, I believe somebody came up here and said that the pepper ball will fire 10 rounds per trigger pull. That is factually inaccurate. It's factually inaccurate because when that statement was made, I went out into the lobby. I called pepper ball myself because I talked to the rep and I asked in that specific question. He said, every pepper ball launcher that they have is one round per trigger pull, not 10 per trigger pull as brought up. And then as for the comment that these launchers are very inaccurate, that is false. I've been on the Sheriff's Office Tactical Team for 18 years. I have intimate knowledge on all those Leslethal munitions launchers and they're very accurate. We don't indiscriminately fire munitions at people. I just want to touch on discussion of policy with respect to the use of less lethal. It was always the practice of the sheriff's office and that General Order 1.21, which is less lethal systems. In General Order 1.05, which is use of force are connected. But after the last community meeting, we specifically edited 1.21 to include a call out directly to 1.05. Again, as I said in the presentation, to say that the use of all less lethal systems against people will be governed by our Use of Force Policy General Order 1.05. I want to note that the use of less lethal is first called out for not for passive noncompliance, but for individuals who are actively resistant. And at that level, there is a car about which I'll read for Baydem from here. It says that the use of agency approved less lethal weapon systems, including chemical agents, may be used to gain compliance from subjects following a violation of or suspected violation of a felony or violent misdemeanor. When it is believed based on the totality of circumstances, they are concealing themselves for the purpose of gaining a strategic advantage or to ambush attack others, other first responders, or agency members, and or the purpose of evading capture. Prior to utilizing or deploying less lethal weapons, including chemical agents of verbal warning, we'll be given to subjects, giving them the opportunity to submit to and arrest, and less an announcement will be tactically inappropriate or exigent circumstances exist. The next level up, violent resistance, is where you can also use a less lethal platform, but under passive non-compliance, less lethal weapons are not authorized for that response. So, how, so if you come across someone who's mentally ill, how would you handle that? We would try to handle it within policy. We call out specific requests that we can de-escalate when appropriate, when feasible, when necessary. But we would only utilize the less lethal weapon system if they got to a point, if the situation got to a point of being an actively resistant person with those specific callouts, or somebody who's being violently resistant. We take that into consideration with all of our interactions as much as possible. We do attempt to de-escalate and utilize other means when feasible. I'm trying to recall, do we have the med team in the unincorporated area? The map or the med? We do, yeah. OK, all right. And there was one speaker who talked about using one of the devices. I can't remember what it's called, but it's one of the scatter shot devices in the jail in a cell. I mean, the 50 feet radio. Is there any response to that? Yeah, for the steam ball. You know, there was one speaker who talked about using one of the scatter shot devices in the jail. I've seen the device. I don't know what it's called. It looks like a grenade, but it's not a grenade. Correct. Yeah, so the, I believe the 50 foot mark that they're using is probably from the manufacturer's website. I can tell you that the rubber balls that come out of that are not going to hit you at 50 feet or if they do, you're not going to feel it. Because I know I actually saw one of those demonstrated and I didn't think it went 50 feet. Yeah. And I've got some comments at the end but those are all my questions. demonstrated. I didn't think it went 50 feet. Yeah. And I've got some comments at the end, but those are all my questions. I have a couple clarifying questions after hearing public comment. There was a comment with respect to filing a complaint with internal affairs. Is there a mechanism to confirm that a complaint has been received and basically a follow-up on what the status of that Complain is absolutely Can you speak in the mic please? My apologies absolutely there is a mechanism they can reach out to contact internal affairs and see where it is at the end of any Investigation a disposition notice is sent as required by law. Okay, and So I'm clear on the, I found the slide of the significant reduction and the Leslie Thole munitions of Inventory removing 783 items, included the 426 chemical agents and 457 impact rounds. So that's a reduction, but help me understand what is currently remaining in the inventory for the multi-project eye munitions. So there's only three that are remaining. That's the wood baton, the rubber baton, and the sting balls as the supervisor Miley just mentioned. So three left out of our entire inventory. And what's the total quantity of those three items? We'll check the report. OK. That's one question I have. Just for clarification, supervisor. So one of those three, we don't use on people. That's the word baton we don't use against people. Those are used for cameras or breaking a window if need be. Okay. So while we're waiting for the numbers on those three devices I just want to add to that. I want to make sure that there's no misconception that we have all of our staff that are equipped with munitions. It requires a specialty training for individuals to be able to deploy these out in the field or wherever that might be. There's also a layer of supervision as far as what's required to even authorize their use. So if there is any use in the jail, which we've seen we haven't used it, a watch commander, which is a lieutenant, a mid-level manager, has to authorize it. The circumstances are weighed so that we are making sure that every other mechanism to deescalate and gain compliance and have a safe resolution are met before something like that is used. Stinking out the field, a sergeant has to be aware and authorize for a less lethal to be used. So it's not just, you know, an indiscriminate decision to deploy something by something that is you're just coming upon as far as a scene or an incident. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate you finding it in the report. You're welcome. So the 60-Cow Stingball, we have the quantity that we're authorized to have is 203. The quantity for the wood batons is 70 and the quantity for excuse me, I just had it. 330 for the rubber batons. Okay. So we're looking at a little bit over 700. Okay, so I would like us to see is to at this time, I think we need more data. So I'm gonna strongly encourage that we work closely with Sheriff Sanchez. Last week we received a closeout of reimagined adult justice. One of the recommendations in that report is recommendation number nine. That is the jail population review team. So I think that's going to be important that we have that data so that way next year when we do this report, I'm really conflicted with I'm hearing I'm glad that we haven't used the scatter shots in the last year. But I also don't know when were those moments where they could have been used in an alternative device was used or approach. So that's difficult to track, I don't know how we would track that in the public, but we can track the population in the jail and when these devices are being used. So it's really important that we include that component for next year. We have a year to get that on board. So it's really important that we include that component for next year. We have a year to get that on board. The review team with respect to outreach. Appreciate that we had a town hall meeting this past September, but I am going to ask that next year. We have at least two. The last two have been in Castro Valley Valley so I'm okay with that location. Want to make sure it's open and accessible. So I'm in support of the same location but also would like to see it branch out possibly in Cherryland Elementary School something that's open accessible. Something that's really nestled in the neighborhood where people can actually just walk to the town hall. I think it's important to offer translation services. In advance, promote it. Should people need translation in a different language? That you have a deadline when to request that support and facilitate offering the presentation in other languages. Also really important that we allow public comment. I know that it was hybrid, but my understanding it was like the seminar feature where you're just observing, but you can't actually engage or were people able to make comments during the town hall. We did have public comment. Was it in the chat? There was no comments online, but there was, there was, it could have submitted online, but there's also a microphone in the room. There were several commenters. Okay. So just want to make it as accessible as possible. One more follow-up question with respect to the single-shot projectile. How many are currently in the inventory? And there was comments from the public that were expanding that inventory. Is that accurate? Can you give me what those figures are? So the the total quantity for everything we would have to tally that up but the expansion of the quantity I touched on earlier is the the reason why we're expanding certain types of munitions or asking for the increase in quantity is just from a logistical standpoint. And what that means is when we, first when we order through the manufacturers, it's a four to six month process for us to get them. And so with that delayed timeframe, we want to increase the quantities. That way we have one, we have sufficient stock for the agency. And if a duty station that has munitions that say there's expired and they need a replenishment, we would want a sufficient quantity on hand so we can replenish them right away as opposed to waiting four to six months for the manufacturer to replenish us when we make a purchase. So it's strictly from a logistical standpoint, just to make sure we have enough on hand to replenish expired or ones that are used in training. Okay, it seems excessive. I don't see us needing to deploy based off the report this last year. They're not being used as frequently, so it just seems like a high quantity of inventory if they're not being utilized. So I'm concerned about that increase. I hear you on the issue with manufacturing, but it's just concerning to see that much in our inventory. The other thing, there was a lot of comments with respect to policy around when we're deploying this military equipment. I don't think that's something we can discuss or figure out before we adopt this report. My understanding is it has to be done before the end of this year. Is that correct? Has to come back to the full board in December. So I would like us to have a discussion with respect to when the military equipment is being utilized, but want that to come back in the spring to this committee. So that way we can know exactly what current policy is. We've heard a lot of public from the comments from the public about making modifications. And I want us to have more comprehensive discussion around that. Thank you. So just to address the amount of munitions, too, I just want to remind the board that I have responsibility to 16 other counties in this region and we have to make sure that we are properly equipped for multiple events should they occur at the same time. We not only serve Region 2, but we've been asked for mutual aid from Region 3 and Region 4 because they don't have the resources that the Bay Area counties do. We're talking about Humboldt County, Buick County, all those counties where we have been able to deploy not only staff, but some of our resources outside of staffing to help with fires or whatever engagements that they're looking at as well, which is civil unrest. And we have recently within the last couple of years deployed staff for civil unrest to assist them with whatever they have going on. So we have to be ready for that. Sheriff is there a way to track in this report then, which equipment is being used for mutual aid to have that clear distinction? I hear what you're saying in terms of needing to have it in the inventory, but if I'm just a member of the public, I'm like, why do we, you know, where's the rationale behind that? Where's the background of the story? It's not clear to me when. It's difficult because every county, I mean, you're talking about a pretty large effort to put some time into what we would allocate for different counties, depending on their staffing, depending on what their inventory is. And then of course, I would have to work with all those other counties to say what they have in stock, how often that they replenish, and then working that way, which would take time. And I'm concerned that we continue to push this off. We have policies in place that are very responsible. We are holding off on putting this to the board because of one unition that we have a lot of people who have expressed their concerns. I want to make sure that we can still do what we're supposed to do when we don't get backlogged. The team has been clear as far as waiting months to get some of the supply. And I want to make sure that we don't continue to push this off and we get the board's approval as soon as possible because it's putting us in a disadvantage. I'm not recommending put dintling the adoption of the resolution. I am recommending that it come before the board, before the end of the year. It's these broader policy discussions, I think we're going to have to get to in the spring to have a clear understanding. But your explanation about the rationale is to why we have to increase the inventory and the supply chain issue with the manufacturer makes sense, but I don't see that captured in this report. So that needs to be clear when it comes back to the full board. Okay. But we'll get creative as far as how we can capture that as best as possible. Thank you. You have got a few things to say. Well, first of all, I know county council said legally the report is sufficient. Under government code section 7072, it's A through one through six. I believe the report meets those requirements. Okay, thank you. And I'm not finished yet, but I want to point out the Sheriff's Department has direct responsibility for the unincorporated area. And I'll do respect to the American Friends Service and others. They don't represent the unincorporated area. I have no constituents from the unincorporated area that are concerned with this policy. Furthermore, I think the steps that have been taken to address the issues in the jail are reasonable. And I was going to say with the sheriff's said, the sheriff's department doesn't just have responsibility for the unincorporated area and the jail. It has regional responsibility. And I don't want to do anything that's going to jeopardize the ability of our staff to perform their duties in a safe manner to protect themselves, the public and others. I don't want to second-guess them. I really feel that we've put so, so many restrictions on our law enforcement personnel that it's really ridiculous. They've got to have discretion. I think what we have here, and I appreciate hearing from the American Vend service and the things that people brought up, we've gotten responses, and I think those responses are reasonable responses. I'm comfortable with where we are with this. I think if we already have a difficult time recruiting competent personnel to be in law enforcement. They've got so many things that they've got to comply with, remember, et cetera, et cetera. And here we are civilians. We're not out of the front lines. We're not in the jails. We're not in a call for service. We're not stopping a motorist who might have a gun. We're not up on the lines from mutual aid. We're not in the jails. We're not in a call for service. We're not stopping a motorist who might have a gun We're not up on the lines from mutual aid. We're not doing any of that stuff But we're trying to second-guess them on reasonable it matters of equipment that they knew to discharge their duties Uncontribute with this I'm prepared to support it. I'm prepared to continue to listen to the public, even if the public isn't from the unincorporated area. Because I do know the folks end up in the jail who aren't just from the unincorporated area, but it's the police department. It's the Oakland City Council, the Hewitt City Council, the Freemont City Council, the Berk City Council, Hayward City Council, Freemont City Council, a Berk City Council, et cetera, that have to review the policies for their law enforcement personnel bodies. We as the board of supervisors are reviewing it for the county and the Sheriff's Department is a law enforcement entity in the unincorporated area. And I think what they've presented to me is compliant and sufficient. And as I said before, it just really bothers me when we try to second guess what they have to go through. I know I wouldn't wanna be in law enforcement officer. They have to remember everything they've gotta remember, they have all the training they've gotta have. And then to discharge those responsibilities in a manner that is respectful, respectful, responsible, and professional encounters the public trust. Take, you know, walk in their shoes for a day or a week. And if you want to go out here and not have the equipment, you need, you know, you don't know what kind of call you're going to be on. You don't know what you're going to have to encounter in the jail. You don't know this, that and the other. They've responded to how they try to deal mentally ill, minors. These devices, the limitations of these devices, why they need devices of greater magnitude, depending on the circumstances. So to hamstring them as professionals, I think is irresponsible. I do think this law is a good law because this law wasn't always in effect that they had to come to the jurisdictional body to publicly present this. They just went about buying equipment, getting the approval for equipment, getting whatever they want it. So I do think this is good, but I do think sometimes we go a little bit too far in what we are either demanding, requesting or expecting. So I'm coming from with what we have here before today. We can bring more policies and discussion back to this committee. If I'm on this committee, I'll listen. But I'm just at this point. I'm good. So once again, thank you. Thank you. We will now move on to public comment. This is item number three. This is reserved for items under the purview of this committee. Do we have any members in the chambers or online that would like to make a public comment? Allison, you're on the line. We're on public comment. You have two minutes. Thank you. I appreciate Supervisor Miley's comments. I am in the unincorporated area, so I'll raise my hand there. And appreciate what you're saying our law enforcement I mean the people on the street with the guns illegal guns with high fire power We need our own Shareoffs to be well equipped to deal with it. Thank you with regard to elections I want to inform you and I'm going to send a letter It is not according to federal law. You have to, Alison, I was very clear. You could only speak on items under the purview of this committee. This is not the elections committee. This is public protection. But you are the supervisors. So I'm just letting you know that we don't have a meeting until after the election. So I'm putting on. You can email us. This is not appropriate. Go ahead. Cut off. putting, I'm going to email us. This is not appropriate. Go ahead, cut off. Allison, unless you want to speak under items under public protection, you could continue. If you don't, we will meet you. I'm just going to see my time. And all I'm doing is advising you that we are not under federal law. And we cannot certify elections that are not. Go ahead and mute. This is beyond the scope of this board's jurisdiction. Are there any more callers for public comment? Use the raise your hand function. Collar, you're on the line. We're on public comment. You have two minutes, Darryl. Yes, thanks. I just want to say that I am a constituent in the Unincorporated Area of Alabama County and I disagree with supervisor Myles comment that no one in the Unincorporated Area had criticisms about the military tactical gear that was being discussed earlier. I agree with the France group and also with the Justice and the Jail group and they do represent I think a lot of people in the unimproperated area. Thank you very much. There are no more speakers for public comment. Okay, thank you everyone. The next public protection meeting will be held on Thursday November 21st. Thank you so much for everyone's engagement and this meeting is adjourned. Thank you.