This is the Open Space in Trails January 4th, 2024 meeting attending we have David Popkin as standing in as chair Sally Antropus, Debra Harper, John Cogashell, Nemo Jackson, Jesse Jones, Kevin Paget, Brian Craig, Natalie Stevens. How are we ready? Let's do it. Alright, we'll call this from Space and Trails Meeting over. First order of business is to say Happy New Year to everyone. Staying new to you. I hope everything's going well. Do we have any public comments tonight? No, no, I'm excited. Very well. That's really good. Do we have any public comments tonight? No, no, I'm not excited. Very well. Okay. That's really good. Were you guys going to speak to Joel and mean to sign up? Okay. Where's that? Where's that? Where's that room? All right. 2.1. We need to approve the minutes of the December 7th. We can space and trust for any meetings. So I want to do a motion to approve. And a second. Motion made. That's second. Jesse and Deborah. All in favor. Hi. Mm-hmm. All right. And to the end of the year. 3.1. Discuss recently. Keep Texas Beautiful Webinars and take all the appropriate action on remaining required within our hours. I can start this off because I didn't get mine done until recently. But before we do, I think Nimo did is the day we were running out. But you had in the car watching a full movie. No, I did it. Before Christmas. Well, it was about dark sky communities. And actually I thought it was a fascinating webinar. As to its pertinence to the city's seabrook. Probably not. You can become a dark sky community even if you, even if you're parameters community even if you... Even if you're... Carambered, even if you don't qualify... You're talking about the lighting. That's about the lighting. And so, I think in that regard, it has some relevance. And the relevance is that, you know, if we're upgrading or replacing or adding new lighting, we really should consider how they're going, how they go in, the color temperature, the lights. And it's just a matter of, you know, all that reflected glare is just white pollution. And so we just, as a city, it would be who us to pay attention to that. I don't think we need to jump to who to get a dark sky designation because we've already got enough light pollution from the surrounding plants and so on and so forth and so will never be a fairy dog for devs, right? Not quite. But I do think that, and I don't know if it means the committee makes a recommendation to counsel or to staff that we are in favor of paying attention to those. I know we've got some items that we've been talking about here. One of those being the trail lighting, trail lights. And actually we talked about John's friend wanting to redo those lights at French Hip, right? Yeah, so any of those items come before us, or before the city, I really hope we can pay attention to what we need to do there. It's not, it's going to add some cost of course because shading and color temperature lighting. Kev, don't we already do that? Don't when you guys do street lighting in our new street lighting design to shine what? We're direct to 70 or whatever. 190. What is it? An in-day bracket. There are ordinances in place that require us to To put them into service right you can have somewhat slight beyond the certain boundary They have they have the shields yeah We're kind of already abiding So it sounds like yeah, it sounds like we're doing a good job. I love the street lights Maybe they It sounds like we're doing a good job. I don't know if the street lights maybe the state will evolve with that. What color temperature did they recognize? I can't remember the Kelvin, but it's a warmer temperature. It's not that bright white. I think that's more at the less pre-it. It actually has less wavelengths that escape from it, basically. And that add more water light, I think. The water light has more overtones, if you will. Well, the other side is, my street light keeps me from killing myself, getting to my house, if I forget to leave light on the road. So they can be useful to me. But also, you know, lights against crime. They say, you know, light is less light. Just think it needs to be done with the, with the, with some smart thought. That's great work. Anybody else have anything more to add, any other that we didn't discuss at the last meeting? It's the one you cross over by my house. When you cross the, it's at the Taylor Lake Bridge, you know, coming up Red Bluff. And they built that new place where all the trucks can park their trailers right at Old Kirby and Red Bull? God, that is so bright at night because they put 100 light. 50 foot poles for security with all those lights. Did that pass or get down, Deena? Yeah, and they, I saw people and like crazy. Does the, that's a law that they have to, you have to have those shields and shine down and that opens on the city's ordinances. I mean, is it Seabrook Law? Can Seabrook Law ordinances, is it a Seabrook's order? Pasadena, happy to widen. That would pass it in, that would follow Pasadena. Yeah, I know we can't do anything. But it's, man, that's a problem. That's how bright that is. I'm assuming text that controls the lighting on there. Are they building any ginormous light poles along the highway? Once they leave the house. Tall lights there. How far is it? I wonder about whether any sort of events looking at this guy. My purpose, mainly because at least your accounts, there is this face for that. There are dark places in Zeeville. I mean we call this scapegoire in Houston of course. But I think we could hold some story events for a week. Well, I do remember when I first moved to Sebrough from Houston, I was like, oh, there are stars in there. So it's clearly, it's better here than it is in Houston. It's still not great, but it's not in the fourth day of it. Yeah, that's not bad. I'm glad we got that audience, because man, that's bad over here. That whole neighborhood. Where is that again, John? Cross-rate love. Cross the bridge called. The Tavillard Bridge. Tavillard Lake Cross-the-Tavillard Lake Bridge has head in the Pasadena. And right there, we're old. Is that all? in the Pasadena. Right there where old, that old... Kirby comes into red blood. There's now two giant parking lots that they put container trailers in and for security they put a dozen giant poles. I guess I've not been down there tonight. And it't go down it goes up as much as it goes. Yeah I suppose our ordinances would override anything the port wants to do Would they not must have projected Try to keep the light from coming into the city limits Telling I could it might an asset and an ally on this. I wish they tried it, I wish they could. Telling an encourage. They started putting the port, they started shipping on the other side of that berm there is there's still a lot of track you know is there still a lot of tracks? Well it doesn't be a lot of track. I think it's a lot of track. You've seen the planes yet but I think there's going to be a lot of track. That's not finished. And you don't have you have no authority to tell them what to do. That's not in the music. There anyway, you can just say, they keep listening to you. Hey, can you be sensitive about lights or no? Actually, the port when they installed all their lights, I actually read an article that they all used the downward facing LED lights for that entire parking lot. All their parking ears are there, they're done with the lightest and greatest. You know, do they spare no expense, right? It's tax payer money. I don't know. A lot of that was brought up when they were fighting with the board. Yeah, they offered to do a lot of that stuff. That's what they promised a lot of that. And they said, I'm sorry. That concludes my fee book comments. Anything else? 3.1. And now we made our quote, right? We have. So we've completed the 10 hours. Thank you all for watching videos. Multiple webinars. We're good through the 2023 reporting. I'll be starting that process. And it's just reporting on various questions about our parks and then also web webinars and take away. So we're ready for 2024. You're welcome to go back on to keep Texas beautiful with our new videos. Nino is already getting started for January 10th. GCA webinars, so we'll have one hour down already. Right up the gate. Excellent. Yeah, but never stops, right? It can probably be. I should have done a new year's eve. You could have started one year. I think it's a little bit better. Take double credit. It's okay. Did you have to watch any videos this year? Thank you. Why not? We kept you out of the litter this year. We'll take a directive action. Okay, 3.2. Discuss and take all appropriate action regarding talotry removal program. Mr. Jones. Yeah, basically, just simply, if the city could be, you know, conscious about that, you know, we all know what a tallotry looks like, right? They are listed as a Texas invasive species. And I'm just, if we're doing work somewhere and we have the ability to take somehow, I don't want to hand anything to the budget. I don't think we need a special team to go out, track down tallotry's. I just think that as you're doing, as you guys are working and somewhere and you got a backhoe and there's a tallotry dig the darn thing up and I didn't see it should be that difficult to sit or take up. And that's due to a tallow being considered an invasive. They are on the Texas invasive species list and kind of like I touched on briefly last time in the fact that you know a lot of people think invasive species means that you're playing a tree there and the next thing you know it spreads and it fills this area and it doesn't work by the edges. The birds carry the seeds, they fall, we all see the edges of our properties and stuff, you know, tall trees growing and they're just, they push out native trees, native species and so we just need to make a concerted effort to their... Fairly prolific as well. I mean, if you see a good size talo, for instance, in those swales before, and actually we've done this kevern, I've got to get it on a talo tree that was problematic at the end of one of those swales, it matters. And every spring, I'd have to dig a couple of dozen... You got about 30 days you can pull it up after that you're going to be able to shovel. Anyway, it's very fast-growing. They're fast-growing, but they're prolific. They do throw up. I don't know if that's some educated guys or just if you're going out looking at a prod check beforehand and you know. And then there are a couple of big ones like I mentioned last time and was it nice? They broke. Some big ones are some big ones out of carothers that I mean they're trees but they literally need to come down at some point. Like I said, I don't want to make a special effort and spend money to cook do it. But we're up there doing something else. I know you guys have been taking down some of these other dead trees. You're taking down a dead tree and there's a towel over there. Take that sucker down too. As clear a guidance to me on others, this is to take appropriate action from staff's perspective. I'd like to see that it's a unified approach from the committee. OK. No offense. Make a motion. So we've got to make a motion then that prior to discussion, phrase is really good for us. Natalie, that I don't know that. May I interject a moment? Yes, sure. Something I'm conscious of all the time is lack of recruitment of treats and I don't read in C-brook. I mean everywhere else. C-brook's done pretty well at recruitment. But I think it might work well to tie the idea of planting too removable, for instance, of those big towers at Durrullas or at Baybrook. Because, you know, people can say, well, hey, it's an old big shaded tree. But if there's also a planting going on, so maybe the resolution could incorporate in the garden. I think that's harder to do. I think it's basically if they cut down a big one, you know, Nemo and I plan enough trees, all of us in what we have tree planting day of awesomeness this Saturday. So, yeah, I don't know how to tie that into that without making it too wordy. Do you have a suggestion? Well, I'm just going to say, and you know, to whatever the cut down wording says, to add to it an attempt recruiting alternate native shade trees in the vicinity. Take one down, put a new one in. I'm going to add a down. Oh, it's several of you, young. Who's got an idea of how? I have to say. I have something to be said about this. There are very few large trees. In fact, the only large trees other than maybe two, then I can think of that Babe Rook are only the tallows that are there. Now, I don't allow any new ones to grow. There's one that we need to take out. But I've planted around those kind of with the thought that someday they will be gone. But until they get big enough to provide some shade, I wouldn't want to take out the only shade we have. Yeah, but see, that's the exact wrong attitude. The most important thing is to keep all the new ones from coming up, so that is the old ones. Well, the new ones that we planted are all made. So they're gonna do a little better in the sun. The other thing is at Brewerhoth, we did that tallow eradication that they did spray to try to get rid of the tallows. There is a section at the back we talked about this last time a little bit, but I don't think you review. There's a section towards the back where you take the trail the boardwalk back there and it's kind of a swamp area but that is nothing but fairly young talent it could be a wonderful who's the guy I don't know who the guy is with chainsaw or the loppers that that a couple people have been excited about where he took out around that. That Gary? The winner's name Gary. Yeah, that'd be a great job for somebody that wants to eradicate talons. You know, we could have a little something that we're looking for volunteer projects. And ideally they need to be told. Yeah, they need to be dug up. You just got them off. Well, toward an R.T.U. is something that we used to kill invasive species. And I did that to all the trees on my property. Basically, you hack them a few hacks with a machete and you spray that stuff on there. It, you know, it's slowly kills them off. That's what we did it. But there was some bleed off and there was some further damage. Well, that's not saying if we get these guys, and if it becomes a committee of three or four people, you know, if there's, it's a volunteer thing where, you know, this could attract the guys. I don't know, let's take our machetes out there and possibly in that one area, we could eradicate it there with his spray where there's not other trees and then do the planting. We're happy to take the guidance from the committee. I just want to make sure that we're doing it the right. If there's a product specific that'll target tree like this without going beyond you have to cut it to target. Basically the way we do that and this is actually come from the group that goes through the textureacare of all these planes, Texan planes. If you hack it, you can either paint it all with a brush or I put it in a squirt bottle and it's blue so you can see where you don't spray it. So there's no collateral damage like you're talking about. But wouldn't that be a good volunteer? I don't think so. I don't want a bunch of volunteers out there that are unguided. I'd rather this be a city deal, especially the fact that there's some big ones that are going to be taken out. Especially if there's going to be chemicals involved. Yeah, not to mention, you know, I ran out through a park with my lawnmower one time and Gail called me up, but was going to take away my birthday. I'm not a hard guy, so I'm like using power tools on city property. I don't think we want that either. Well, I disagree. I think that there'd be something that we could work with the smaller trees that need to be, especially if there's specific areas and maybe with some guidance, not just, hey, there's some trees in there, be sure to take them out. We're looking for projects for volunteers, but that's that's why you want to head up. I mean yeah I mean if they can be ill-fraud certainly that way. Volunteers with shovels digging up tallies is all good. I don't think they're gonna dig up the roots to all of these but they can certainly cut them. I put the blue step on them. Man, I suggest wording for possible resolution. Shoot. I move that territories be removed by staff and all volunteers when feasible. With native plantings used for shatriere recruitment in the same vicinity when possible. Did you just make that as a motion? See. I second it. How did that? Did you get off that? Okay. Second. Yeah, that covers it. It gives enough flatitude, I think, to where we can get volunteers and we have a project. Well, that's right. For instance, that you, you know, have an art to do. Oh, for the years. For the years. For projects, right? You know, I'm with the years, right? You've said, oh, I love the change of the tall tall. They're pretty. They were beautiful. They were, we know, they were a lot prettier than what we look at at the port these days than we put it that way. I think it was tallotry, and it was beautiful. When I'm maintaining the trails, I put the squirt bottle with the trite clore and the motor oil on them and that stops them 100% and all night space. Do you have to cut them? You can just put them on the things. No, you have to cut them. You put it on the stump. Cutting is close. I'm going to get this emotion. Did we have someone to suck it back? We're still discussing. You have to get it close. I'm just messing with you. You made motion, I made the second. So yeah, we have a motion on the table. We'd probably need to vote. Well, it's a D.D. further discussion on this. Everybody happy with that motion? I think so. I think volunteers could work. We had that couple that volunteered to take out privators something. And the next thing they know, they've decided to take out privet and X, Y and Z. So we just need to be sensitive to volunteers stay focused. Can I check on it once in a while? We can, as a committee, we can go through our parks maintenance of email, server, and then get the cab and if we see a towel tree, you know, we just see if you see one, and you say, hey, and you've already identified some some just go ahead and put it we all kind of have our favorite parks are by just kind of identify what's in your neck of the woods and just put it on the parks maintenance email string so it's a third channels and then we'll work it that way and if you want to put it while in tears and together you can just reach out to the committee and we'll see you can help out do we know who that guy is that used to do? The cutting of Brown? That was Carl and his wife. No, not Carl. There's another one. Oh, we had that strange private guy. The one guy. George. No, not George. Anybody said strange guy? I always say George. Hey, man. He came and gave us a presentation. Oh, I know. I was in a guy that was working. He was doing some of this stuff. John Good would call me and go, he's out there. I let up. He's cutting branches and trees, cutting down things. He was clearing out little areas. He was really going after it with his little chainsaw. He was having a good old time on him list. He had even something to cut. All right, let's vote on this. Let's vote on this. A second. All in favor. Oh, thank you. But animals. And you want to pose. Yeah, great. We've got some guy you got. Appreciate it. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. Thank you, Sally. All right. 3.3. Discussing technical appropriate action regarding Governor's Community Achievement Award. What's our deadline for that? For the new grant or new proposal to go into anyone know? February. February. February. February. February. February. February. February. February. February. everywhere. It's just, it's just, it's just set to the email. Uh, Nally sent out an email. I think it was this week. Let us know that the, you know, keep Dexas beautiful is open for business with applications. So for all of us to gather our data if we have it, photographs, whatever we feel is appropriate. And is Nemo driving the bus again this year? Yep. All right. Early. Early, yeah. You just write early as better what we did this year? Yeah, well, I'm going to take the same template we had last year and then go to site and just copy and paste their questions into where we are. I mean, into where they go and then just, and then just go back and answer them. I got you hand with that. So we could pull up it up a little bit. It's Sally can help you. Did we come in second last year? Sally got this last year. I think so next year. Yeah, we're not sure if we're going to do second or go. We're going to do Sally was working on it. OK. We're going to. Yeah. So we've got a high bar. There we go. Thank you for taking the lead, Noah. Unbettable. Shopping you need me. We'll do. And I think in our previous experience, we got a second before we went. So I think that's a good, it's a good home. And they recognize people that are working hard at it. And if you, if our application garnered, you know, a second place then. Yeah, I think this, of course, it's different judges and different, sometimes different cities every year, but still they do look at past performance. One of the things that I keep thinking of is I keep hearing them a lot about litter and we don't really have all that much litter which I think should be something that we should be proud of. They ask a lot about it. Yeah. It's really big deals on litter and recycling and all that but it's... Well we participate and we're making effort that's the most important thing. You're exactly right. And we've got two main things. Maybe even something else. I had talked one time about some type of a letter going out to community about how to recycle better, you know, that sort of thing. Well, we have this deadline is after our meetings next month. Well, this would be maybe for next year. Well, I'm just on, but I'm working on this. Decideration. So if we're going to have one more meeting, it'll be an opportunity for you to ask, you know, as we get closer to deadline, you'll see that we've committed one more time if you get there something specific that you need. Of course, you can reach out to the email, but we'll have one more meeting before that. That meeting is February 1st. Do you? Well, David, you went to the UNIT Sally both. Can you do things like the fact that our city's gone through a destruction of a great deal of our new sewer treatment plant that some of the things were torn up and how it's been put back together. Is that something that? Yes. It might be, they have very tight parameters and they have quite tight guidance on how many points you're going to get for each round. Yeah, answer. And so, it's a good point, Jeremy, we can look out for where there might be opportunities to plug in. Is it the thing? Well, it's a plug-in effect related to the third problem. Well, certainly when we, when we can kind of address the seabird prairie, we'll read restoration there, it should be part of 2024 not this year of course. Deadlines for some mills are going to be February 15th so if the next meeting ends up being on the first we'll have two weeks to tighten it up. Okay. Anything else on the 3.4. Update report on various seabirds park items including new repairs, signage plants, flowers, and vegetation and park use manners. I've got something to just toss out and I don't know if everybody was aware of it, but But apparently EDC has put for $130,000 for design of a new park at the sewer plant. Is that the right number? No, no. It's the number of things. Yeah, 130,000. That's, you have to remember we had talked about going over there to the sewer plant at one point a few months back And doing a little tour because I know we all had some ideas about what should happen over there also So I am hoping that you can make sure that we somehow get inserted into that before they just go higher So I'm really newly company that comes up with their own ideas. I know that several of us have some ideas also. And also, the what 240,000 that was awarded for the study for the Green Ribbon for the new landscape in law 146 has anything happened with that because I got a feeling they're going to show up one day and start planting stuff. And once again, we were supposed to be involved with that because I got a feeling they're going to show up one day and start planting stuff and once again we were supposed to be involved with that also and it's getting a mighty big hour. So the Green Ribbon project along 146 is going to be according to text thoughts, design. The money that was incorporated into it has had some staff input, but in the end the money was put towards beautifying the area with landscape vegetation. I don't know from me personally I haven't had any input in it from staff but Gail or Sean may have and I can follow up and find out exactly how that's proceeding but in the resolution the limited council it said there would be one meeting with council and it would be sooner than later. I hate for them to come in and tell us what they're going to do instead of saying, here's what we'd like to do, what do you guys think and get a little input? That's what I was hoping for. So, I mean, hardly endorse what you just said. Were you really going to hear from them? Yeah. There's a lot of vendor pass there. I mean, between these, well, between these, both these projects and especially particularly the Main Street sewer plant park design We're the park's board for God's sake. Are we supposed to be The Main Street master plan Yeah, it was just basic shell This will expand on that right, but it's going to be the baseline that they'll use now. So that's all I got. Anyone else? I've got my famous new owl box that I wanted to show you. Where did you put it in the owl box? I put it on Jason to the trail between Hester and the butterfly garden. So anyway, just got it up. How big is that little hole on there? It's a specific size. I want to say two and something two and one sixteenth or two and eight. It's a screenshot of the box. It's a screenshot box. I've got one on my house because John had residents at his house. I've had them for eight years. They're right there. Cool was that. But I thought it would be nice to just see what would happen in the park. Certainly they're out there. We've heard them before and actually rescued one on the road on the cotton field several years ago. But anyway, excellent. Hey, on that somewhere subject for you guys are up on the North Side of the line. They've been spotted about five or six times now. There is a pair of breeding bald eagles on the North Side somewhere. You know, they got Paul White that has the Webster eagles, you know know he and I are friends in fact I helped him out the camera up there in his tree so we can watch them So he's got a part of the Eagle Network and we were talking to the day and so there have been so many reports So keep your eyes out. I don't know if you've ever seen an Eagle Nest, but they are big enough For us to stand there and they're actually in pine trees. So if you're out and about and looking up, Eagles don't like branches. And so when they find, they want it open to be able to get into their nest. So anybody that's up on the north side doing anything, just kind of keep your eye out, because I would love to find where that nest is. So I'm thinking it's somewhere between Red Bluff and the plants kind of in their poor property. I don't know because I've been spotted a lot. Yeah, I've been nice to see us walk around like this, running in these. The bird count people caught one of them in Pine Gull like here a couple months ago. There's a botched eagle showed up on their bird count. I was like, what the heck? Yeah. Sounds like it might be using it. Peace, it's wooded. Use the shore acres next to sati egg. Is that called sati egg? Shore egg or shore egg? But there's a safe place. It could be around that whole little section. That's what's in there, circle. Keep your eyes up. It's quite a big piece of wood in this thing. Well, I'll keep, we walk by this nearly every day. So I'll let you know. What time do they normally show up? It's when they stick their heads out. What time of year do they start? They start making up. Our outbox on Valentine's Day, they showed up for the first meeting because they nested in like, or they have their eggs in April and May. Okay. Now they're in our box by November but the first year was February Valentine's. Okay. Now they are in our box by November, but the first year was February, about the time. Okay, so they actually ended up by November. And you just need to walk by a desk because when they're sitting in there looking out. All right. Maybe cool. I was a little late then, I didn't get it up in November. No, but since it's its first time, maybe you're fine. Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? All right, anything else? 3.5 city staff update and report on various Seabork Park items, including community events grant, grant administration repairs, council approvals, and determinations and emergency events. Again, thanks for covering the GCA discussion and we're here to help on that. As you start compiling your data, Nemo, if you can get that even in pieces to us, we can start. We have another program that we put the verbiage into so we can start doing the word counts. And I know that there's some ability to do that within GCA, but I think it's a little easier to do it this way. And then just copy and paste it over. So we kind of worked on that way in the past. I know how they like to see it as used as many words as you can and still get it within and get your topic covered and things like that. So as you start to get it, you want to start sending it over. It would be helpful to have a lot of applications. It should be similar because when I look at a reference before it was kind of similar. Well it was right there last year. I don't know what it was. Wanted to mention the Christmas events. I know the tree lighting had to be last met canceled, but breakfast with Santa was a big success. Lots of kids and folks out for that. Had a lot of fun doing that. I don't know if you do this. I was frosty. You were there and you didn't know that. You're all right. You were all right. You were all right. You were all right. You were all right. You were all right. You were all right. You were all right. You were all right. You were all right. You were all right. You were all right. You were all right. You were all right. on Christmas. We started our Christmas tree recycling program. It'll go through the night of January to get all the Christmas holidays completely finished. Some people celebrate a little longer so we're gonna allow that extra week or so to get as many trees in as we can and of course we're never going to turn them down if they come in past the Nines but the window is until the end. We have a chipper. We use Bay Area tree. They come in and they do it for free. I picked up my neighbor's tree on the way. There's a lot this year. Yeah, yeah, it's quite a few. More, a lot more than less. Does that make most that we can use in the farms or does it have a lot of stuff in it? John likes to to. Yeah, it makes more. But you gotta let it sit. But yeah, it makes good most. Couple months. Gotta let it sit a couple months. I think you're for spraying it ought to be good for that. Perfect. Lastly, we started the demolition of the slide at the pool this week so that has gone beyond its life and we're taking it down this week. Is there any discussion about putting something else there? It'll have to be a workshop, I believe, with Council to kind of finalize what they foresee, the future use of the pool, being on others. Been some funds allocated towards it, but we only have estimates on repairs at this time. So if there's any improvements, they'll need to make those decisions. Where are we on the fishing pair? There was a half million dollar contribution from Harris County towards the rebuilding of the pier, which was at one time thought to be a 50-50 match for a million dollar repair. Turns out it was, as the cost came in, it was over $2 million. So the funds were not available to do a $2 million milled. So my understanding is the city's looking to re-approach Harris County for additional funds. In Texas Parks and Wildlife at one time offering something else. There are other grant opportunities that the city is seeking for additional funds, but I think we're trying to get now that the known value for Rebuilding is closer to two million to go back to the county to ask again since this was a 50 50 match opportunity if that can be increased to still be a 50 50 match and then go out for grand opportunities to cover the rest. So hopefully all that comes together. All right, thanks. Anything else? All right, we're moving on to old business 4.1. Discuss and take all appropriate action. Determined project ideas for volunteers. Well, I think that's one. Hello, 3-review. Anyone else? So three, remove. Any else, anything else on that item? Okay, the really fun agenda. 4.2 of data and pre-planting day of awesomeness. Woo! That's just good time to shine. All right, Captain Nemo from the Nautilus has stepped up Awesome mess. Woo! That's just your top of the shot. Alright. Captain Nemo from the Nautilus has stepped up. We're going to send some trees to him in Pine Gilly. No lady dead. Oh, let's say Captain Dem. Oh, thank you. It's going to be in Babebrook. We got 40 to her. Nemo had 50. Sorry, 25 of you. 40. You can handle 40? Yeah, easily. Is it Kevin said or Saul said they'll have a yard of mokes. Half yard of mokes. Well, then some moths down to you. Do we have any micro life this year? We do not have any micro life this year. I don't know that it, you know, it's probably doesn't hurt Right had just as much like what I right So I'm back here where he had to cut the right away and opened up the vegetation Through there is that part of the sewer project. It's on the trail parallels red blood and you up here at the corner at the curve over it I think the sewer line back behind is here oh and you cut something through here behind the pipeline or something right there was a line later there yeah now we plan to clear the trees. The ones I planned to last year in New York. Yeah, can we get some on the roadside? No, there's nothing on the roadside right now. It's just an open. OK. And I'm happy to take care of that. OK. Yeah. Sunday. OK. Depending on what you're going to do. OK. Depending on how many people we get if you come up with some places that you need some of the 25. You know, with just like this, the three of us, really. So 9 a.m. right. I'm sorry. Four of us right. Yeah. 9 a.m. everybody be at their spots. Of course. Well, I'm going to come up and get it. He's down. I'm going to get a gator, so I'll get over here at 8.30. Okay. Drive one from there. So there is a patchy ass test to put up a sign that gave us two signs. If I put an patchy sign in a gator, it's out there by the gator. There's two patchy signs. Try to get one if you're not over here. Would you probably be here right now? I'll be early too early. I'll be too early to see it. And do you know what we're getting at? Tree in the throat? That list, which is semi accurate. Natalie, you're going to help with the legal stuff, right? At the front. I'll be doing the labor of the zone there. What laborers did we get? We got a water of a lot, lot lollipine, 20 of H, Y-015, ball-cyclist 10, Chinker Pen, about 20, C-R-L-15. That's okay. Yeah. And definitely want to get some ball-cyclists over my way. Okay. I don't know. So two or three will be fine. And then we'll be sending people to the spots. We're going to have friendship for children, because that's by far the safest planting. And we seem to be getting more and more children each year. So I think we're good. Houston wilderness is also going to give us 50 trees at some point this winter. So keep that in mind. We're supposed to get a bunch of rain Friday night. The Saturdays must be. Saturday looks pretty good. No, we're just going to be very good. They know to bring boobs and gloves and shovels. Natalie put in her email. Natalie put in her email. Yes, so I sent out an email and a reminder email and it mentions to bring your favorite glove and shovel I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not here before we had like three and a half. It was another day like today we have a bunch. Right. I don't know what the rain's gonna do. Like a roof, the reasonably nice day on Saturday. So then we might have a bunch. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. We could have it. That's it. I don't know. All right. Yeah, I guess you'll keep us posted on the wilderness. Right. Yeah, I guess he'll keep us posted on the movingness Right three drop. Yeah Okay 4.3 discussing 10 column appropriate action regarding solar landing in Medivark Yeah, I went down and I briefly touched on this last time They're at Clear Lake Park, which is actually Harris County. They did their walking trail and solar LED lighting And I've ever been Joe good ride by tonight, it's actually really nice. And it's been brought up a couple of times here. Just the fact that it gets dark so early and having a safe place to walk. So I went over measured the trail at Meta Park. It's just short of 2400s, one year feet, which is a half mile basically. We place some place of hiding every 100 feet that be 24 fixtures. So Kevin I can send this to you also. I've looked up several lights. I looked at the ones that they actually used down there that Harris County used. I actually found a better light than what they used. They're roughly 250 bucks a piece. That's just for one. A 24 foot, three inch pole is $100. We can get two 12 footers out of that. Since there are no electric lines to be run, no nothing. Is that something that the city could do in-house as far as just as far as the labor that's not something that we can't manage. I know this was a CIP item at one time and it was moved down by the list as priority by the group but that's something that we want to reevaluate. I say we make it another action item list or our sheet worksheet and bring it back. Okay now when I talked I talked to Sean, he said the fact, in fact, all of that comes in actually well under $10,000. He said $10,000 is not even enough to make it a CIP. He said there's an informal limit of 20,000. Well, it's not funded though. So it would need to be a CIP regardless of the amount. So that we know that we have funding. So if we could for next time, I'll develop an actually line item budget for this and we can present it next time. I'm gonna do that now. Take. For next with the agenda. Whatever action necessary. Right up here. And this would be in agenda, I don't know, next month. Yes, ma'am. Jesse, one of the things that we talked about, this has been brought up before, and one of the things we talked about before was not adding to the guy's work by putting a bunch of posts out there. We were trying to come up with some lighting periodically that we could attach to different things that are over there. Some of them being, you know, attached to a tree where the solar collector was at a distance or putting it on existing posts that are over there. Yeah, well there are no existing posts. I don't know how you feel about putting in a bunch of the more posts that would have to be more around them. Ultimately, if the committee decides that this is important to the committee and it's an action sheet is created. And then recommended, recommended as in 5.0 recommendations from office waste back to council. If the chair or the committee takes this back to council and says this is important to us, this is what we'd like to see. Council decides we agree. Make it happen. It happens. So we're going to make it happen. Not only that, but you could do it in a way where if this is the edge of the trail the poles right here and the crushed granite can go out at each of those spots but wouldn't be something they have to mow or we'd eat around. So there's ways to do it. Are we talking about four by four underway? No, I actually looked at American fence and supply. It's the same thing they used at Harris County. It's a three inch black powder coated hole that matches the fixture. And the fixture is also a, shines down fixture. So no, like, essentially it's gonna be about five feet high then four feet high. You've got a six foot post. No, it would be, it's a 24 foot post so we can cut half so we could get two 12-footers out of, put two feet in the ground, 10 feet up. And it looks like a streak. So we would need to worry about vandalism, I guess, at that high. Now, that'd be a mountain. That's the whole reason a mountain would pie, so if some kid didn't come along, whack it with escape, border zone. But we talked about before also, was putting something low. a baller type situation. Well we were even trying to figure out if there was some way to put something in the trail you know that we just lined up. There's some solar. I think the issue is more safety. Well I think you're not tripping over something or walking along the state. I think it's accessible if someone can grab it. It's probably going to get bit. I looked at ballards and they're like $1,800 a piece. And they don't put out much light. They won't light this area right here. Well, if we're just talking posts, you could put several of them if you don't put them 12 feet in the air. Three feet keeps a visibility. Yeah, then it really be really expensive. It should be. I like the idea of them being up and with shape. Do a drive by, go by, clear like park. Is that what it's called? Clear like park. Yeah. If you're going towards the freeway, it's on the right hand side. You'll see it. They look actually very nice. They're black, so you really don't even kind of see them. In fact they use several of them to put banners on. But they're all night, right? Yeah, they automatically come on. They're LED, solar powered, come on at nights, which off it done. Not themselves. But they're up in the air as opposed to being down low. Correct. Can we use the two hours and blazing away all night long? Why would you not work the load wounds? Because they don't put out enough light to be able to be able to be able to be able to Well, you're here and go do a drive-by and you'll see that it actually makes it look pretty nice at night. So I like white stuff. Yeah, anyway, so we'll put it on there for next month and I'll write something up to make it in the form of a resolution that we can send to council. If everybody approves. And then if a timer is like done, it's clear like part it all turns off at 10. They're not on a timer because that one about putting condo it in a wire. So these just they're, they're high activated and yeah they'd probably switch off at a couple of seconds, minute, different times. But at least that's what cuts down on the cause. They just stay on as long as the battery however much slower. But solar. They just stay on as long as the battery however much slower and then the solar chargers and they do give out this particular one Set it last like six years without even without dimming without anything So you know all these solar LED lights eventually do wear out But maybe by that time they'll come up with one that lasts even longer But it charges up enough even on a cloudy day Because anymore those type of solar chargers last even longer, but it charges up enough even on a cloudy day because any more those type of solar chargers, they don't have to have direct sunlight. They just need to like, tell me, but do they shine all night long? Oh yeah, all night long. They'll don until they shut off. Well, they have them where they're motion activated. They do make a motion activated. It's costing you nothing. You're paying no power bill anyway, so it's kind of like I'm just not saving anything. The people that live around it. Yeah, I don't know. We have one at Morehouse, that's programmable. And it comes on at full strength for a few hours and then it dims overnight and you can program it to... Yeah, actually these have that feature I didn't know what that was. I remember right. Yeah, in fact, this one it shows you can set it for motion activated, light activated, or hardwired. So, got the option. So, we could, for instance, just have it on for four hours at 10 o'clock. You could do that. I mean, you know, you're just, as Sally mentioned, if people are going to use this, they're not likely going to be out there at 10 o'clock. Yeah. No, it's more, it's more the four o'clock in the morning before they go to work at 6. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Once again, it's, it's, it's, it's the morning runners that really ask for it. Yeah. Is it? Is that where the Prisha is being coming from? I think it's both, but Monica was the one that brought her up because she runs in the morning in dark dangerous. Yeah, and my wife gets home, you know, six o'clock and it's too like her to go, you can't walk the trails at night and she's like, man, that would be really great if it was with, you know, and put the word out and a lot of people started saying, oh my God, that'd be awesome. You know, you know. Well, certainly, if it would recruit more part use, I can't complain about that. And in a price tag, be able to do this for literally less than $10,000, you know, for that cost of hardware, I don't know if they'll have the dig. Yeah. Yep. I'm not sure if that's it. All right, we're going to get that in order for next month. Routine business 5.1 report from city staff on the status of a list of action taken by the Open Space and Trust Committee and forwarded to City Council for its action or review. Anything we got there? Discussion? Discussion? Nothing? Okay. 5.2, I'll say it on volunteer hours. That sheet is over there against the wall. Actually, it's sitting at the wall the best if you can pass it around and enter in any volunteer hours for these members that are showing that to him. She's just working on it. Only Sally hasn't filled it out. Sally and Dave. All right, absolutely. Okay, 5.3, future meeting dates. And we just been talking about that earlier. February 1st is the first Thursday, next month. Is that gonna be okay for everyone? Yep, February 1st. Yep. Sneak up the last day. I mean, never. Certainly we can get the eighth is still pretty early in the month, so. It works for me. So we are sticking to the first. Is that what I'm hearing you said? I know nobody just said. It's about the eighth. I just said that would still be early in the month if we needed to move it But I don't hear any objections that they're First of all we're excited for that we were in there to spoil me Motion to adjourn Other than what we talked about we'll certainly want to talk about the tree planting. Through the GCA, one, and the solar light. And you're inviting one or one review of the tree planting. A wrap up. Wrap up. The wrap. Wow. Quick and speedy, we've had quite a lot of fun. You ladies, picked a good night to come. we had normally get more you for two hours. Did I hear a motion to it, you did? Jesse and I need a second. John, we'll put John in. John never ever. Alright guys, thank you so much and ladies, thank you.