There you go, Chair. Good morning. All right, we're going to go ahead and call the March 27th Health Energy Resilience and Sustainability Committee to order. With Kirk, please call roll. Floyd? Here? Gabbard? Drisco? Here. Here. Great. We have an agenda before us. Do you have a approval? All right. Excellent. All those in favor say aye. All right excellent all those in favor say aye all right excellent we have minutes before us as well all right great all those in favor say aye all right excellent thank you so let's get right on to our business council member Gabbert it was your item would you like to prep us for your prep this? No I actually was kind of surprised when I saw it hit the agenda I wasn't aware that we were ready for any sort of update so I'm just as excited to hear the presentation as you all are so here we are and turn it over to Maven. Good morning council. So today we're going to go over the implementation of a community food forest program. This is something that's been in the works. I think since around 2022. So Council member give it in, so I know you're a little new. So this slide might not be new to all of you all. But in September 2022, we came and presented about a food forest pilot overview. This is to use with the BP funds. And then in September 2023, OSR requested approval to move forward with a plan. So I'm here today to kind of go over how we would execute that plan and implement the funding into the community. So from my understanding in 2022, it was agreed upon that this pilot program would focus on two bucket areas for food forest. One would be community garden revitalization to help increase food capacity and at those sites. And then another would be to create new food forests in the community. When I looked back at the presentations it said it had an original two pilot locations for the food forest pilot and then six plus mini grants for the community garden expansion. Back in 2022 it set around up to up to 20,000 for the food forest pilot that they could apply for. I did up that to 25,000 because we do have flexibility in our budget to increase that funding amount and then the community garden expansion it was up to 6,000. I put that up to 15,000 because depending on what the gardens need it can cost cost. If it was water infrastructure, new vegetable beds, it might be a little bit costly. Depending on what state the community garden is in, I do believe that we can do more with the funding than just two food for sites and six community gardens. So that's why you see the two plus there and the six plus there but I didn't want to over promise either. So to set up a grant process for the city one thing that needs to be considered is that everyone has an opportunity to apply for these grants and so I looked at at Healthy St. Pete and how they distributed their funding out for food services and they were really, really helpful and basically showed me how their process works and how they implemented the grant program. So OSR would actually just take what they have done and do the same thing. So what we're looking at is basically we would need to get the application on open gov and it would go through a certain level review. Now these reviews we would have to create an internal task force of the city to help us understand and outline the different goals and requirements that these community gardens would have and these food forests would have. So what are we exactly looking for? We don't want to fund a community garden that's in shade because we know that won't be successful, right? So some of those things would reject those applications. So we would lay out some requirements and that would be done in an internal working group and then we would go through the applications and basically I don't want to get to detail oriented here but this would be the group overview and the grant process of how it would actually look when someone applied and how it would be selected. This slide might help a little bit in the fact of how it's going to happen. So first we would need to create an internal working group. This is what Healthy State Peat did too as well when they did their grant program. They recruited about five people across the city that were in that realm of food and community outreach and they created that working group to help decide who would initially get the funding. And as part of the funding, I believe it would be a good idea to create a food, a community food working group that's hosted by the city because I've noticed, I've worked with food groups before and when you have resources, it seems to be a good time to get people together. So they're able to share ideas. There's also, so we've been doing some research and some outreach to some different community gardens in the city to try to see and gauge what level people are at and where where they need things. And what we've been noticing is some people are really trying to start community gardens, but they might not have the knowledge. So we had one community garden do an installation. They had irrigation installed and they did not realize their irrigation was running every day and their water bill increased $7,000. Yeah. And that was a group that didn't have funding to pay $7,000 extra dollars on their water bill. And so by creating a community food group and trying to pair up some of these community gardens that would receive funding, that we could help mitigate some of those issues. Because a lot of times people think, I'm gonna build a vegetable bed and then I can grow food, but it's actually somewhat complicated to grow food. So we wanna make sure that they feel supported in the long term. So we wanna do something like that to create a community group and invite community organizations. There's quite a large amount of community organizations that are working in St. Pete on food. So I think it'd be a great place for them to share ideas, as well as help us implement the funding and get the word out to these gardens and to any potential individuals that want to apply for the food forest pilot. One thing that will come up with us and the food forest is that it has to be publicly accessible. So if anyone does get this grant, it would have to be something where people could come up on their property. And so that's one issue we'll run into a little bit. Another thing I want to do to help implement this process and make it very easy for people is what you notice sometimes in community gardens, it's Joe down the street. They don't have the type of organizational infrastructure to take on government grant funding. So I'd like to release an RFQ to help us with that. So basically there are businesses and there are nonprofits that actually specialize now in urban agriculture and will build vegetable beds and will build gardens and will help, you know, some of this water infrastructure and things that they need. So the idea would be is when you apply for the grant, you could let the city know if you would need assistance. And if you need assistance, this RFQ, we would already have a contractor chosen that would allow people to help design their food forest or implement the community garden because a lot of people want this, but a lot of people don't know exactly what to do with the funding when they have it or have the money or the ideas for the design. So that would help with that and it would mitigate any type of inequities someone might not have if they don't have the organizational structure to accept those funds. So that is kind of that it in a nutshell. I did create a timeline that that I'm hopeful for by May, I would like to. Now, I will tell you, I wanted to come to the council first and hear some ideas and get your feedback because I haven't made any extra steps on any of these. So this is very flexible. But by May, I'd like to create the internal working group and the community group and have a meeting by then. And then June, July, I'd like to release the RFQ to bring on the potential contractor to help award the grants. And then I do, I learn from Healthy St. Pete, the OpenGov process is quite long. So starting that as soon as possible. And then August, September, we would choose, we would go through the selection committee and we would choose our contractor. And then by October, November, the grant would be live. And then by spring of next year, we would be in a place where we could plant, which would be the perfect time to do it. January, February, when it's cool, and the plants can actually succeed, you wouldn't want to do this in July, August, September, October. So it actually would end at the perfect time, roughly. And so that was kind of brief, but I just wanted to give you an overview and some ideas of how we could possibly implement that funding. Thank you very much for the presentation. Committee members, we'll start with Council Member Gavard. Thank you, Chair. And thank you for the presentation, Maven. A couple of questions. So you mentioned having a public group that would be kind of like the advisors. So you're aware, I hope, that we, under Council Member Druskiscoll's leadership started the St.P. Food Policy Council in 2020 and that organization they met for a couple of years but did have some issues kind of really getting off the ground. Most recently, Julie Rocco from Healthy St.P. was the one who was kind of overheading that. And I haven't met with them in quite some time. I don't know if they're still, you know, formed, if they're still working together, but I would recommend to start there. Because that work has already been done. It really just needed, I think, the infrastructure from, you know, the city support side to really help them move things forward, keep them organized, keep them, you know, kind of with a flow of meetings and projects to give input on. And so I think that this is exactly where we want to re-engage them. Very early on, when I first brought food for us to the city of St. Petersburg, they were one of the groups that I first worked with. They're already aware of the work that was done previously to come to where we are today. And so that would be my recommendation is that we re-ignite that group. We work to kind of help to reorganize them, bring them back together. is a a, like to your point, a very large group of urban agriculture advocates and business owners, and they want to be engaged with us. They just didn't have the structure or the support here with the city to do that. So I wanna thank Council Member Druskel publicly for her work on that, because I know that she worked very hard to put that together. And I think, I mean, I'd love to hear what she thinks, but I think this is a perfect opportunity to reignite them and get them going again and so I wanted to make sure that you were aware of that seeing as how, you know, if you've only been with us for a few months and they have not been active during that time. So that was, you know, something I definitely wanted to bring to life. May I ask a clarification question. You mentioned Julie Rocco. So should we work through her? Which is? I would reach out to her. Erica Hall also is. So she is very involved with the Florida Food Policy Council. And so she was also very involved with the St. Pete one. So I would reach out to her as well. Did a lot of work with her in the days when we first passed the Urban Agriculture Ordinance to expand the ability to sell in the residential neighborhoods. So listen, I've got the list of people. You don't have to recreate the wheel here. I promise. Myself and council member Driscoll have been doing this work for years. Include us. Don't leave us out on this. This was like our we brought these initiatives to light so we are your partners in this. So the other question for that that I had is you mentioned the RFQ that you're going to send out. When are you going to send that out? What was that on the timeline? I didn't see it. So right around June, July. June, July? Okay. If you could please let council know when that goes out because I have a separate email list for all of my urban agriculture contacts, I will send that out to them on behalf of the city. So if you could please let us know when that does go out, a lot of times things go out and we kind of get surprised by them because people reach out to us, right? Yeah. So we want to be helpful in connecting the dots. No pun intended, but urban agriculture is as grassroots as it gets. And you have to know who's doing the work. You have to know who's in the community. In the dirt, literally making things happen. So we know who those people are. Let us help you. Okay? Great. Thank you. All right. Council Member Driscoll. Thank you. And I agree with Council Member Gabbard's comments. I think including the same Pied Food Policy Council. And then also, and just so you know that is not a city-based organization. It is an independent organization, and I work to help them organize, and then City Council passed a resolution supporting the establishment of that council So just want to be clear that that is separate from a city Specific committee. Does that make sense that does make sense. Thank you Okay, and then The Florida Food Policy Council. I mean, we're blessed to have Erica Hall here in our community working on that, which covers a few issues on a state level. There is a great interest in this, and I love seeing the growing interest in urban agriculture in our area here. And statewide, I mean, there is talk in the Florida Senate as they're working on the budget for the state on allocating money to help connect food banks with those who are working in agriculture in our state. So it's interesting to see how this is evolving as the interest continues to grow. You mentioned, oh, and I would say, rather than creating a new group, reaching out to Julio Acco and Erica Hall, see where they're at, but I would encourage inviting more people to the table even be beyond the council because it hasn't been super active. And there are other people in the community who are not part of that who are super active in this space. So I wouldn't stop there. with the if you could go to the slide that lays out oh It's a number four that lays out the Food Forest pilot versus the community garden expansion and What I see here and what I heard you saying They didn't just in my mind it didn't line up so I wanted to get some clarification. When you're talking about community garden expansion, it says here that it would be open to existing garden locations and the funds would be used to support additional capacity. But then you're talking about water infrastructure and gardens that are spaces that are in the shade, those things would be necessary in order to have an existing community garden when they. So, not necessarily. So, not everyone, and when I came on, I had, that was something that was brought to my attention was the water infrastructure was a big part of this. So they would have a hose, but they don't have irrigation. Sometimes community gardens don't always irrigate their vegetable beds, like they'll just have a hose, which requires people to go to the community garden every day, which sometimes people think that's a really good thing because then you're checking on your plants and all that and then some people can't make it every day so their plants die. So you know that was part of some of the notes that I found in 2023 so I was kind of carrying that on as part of that with the watering infrastructure in the community gardens. That's something that it is a double edged sword to be honest with you because when you install irrigation at community gardens to the point of the community garden, I recently visited that their irrigation broke and then it cost $7,000 on their utility bill. So it's like one of those things where a lot of community gardens want to have direct irrigation in their vegetable bed, but when it breaks and sometimes it does, they don't necessarily know how to fix it. So if we need to get that out of the grant process, I totally would understand that. I was just carrying on the language that I previously thought was agreed upon in 2023-2022. And for the shade, gardens, I meant that like I meant if that would, so if someone would apply and I'm sorry I wasn't clear, like if someone would apply for a grant and the place that they were applying for is covered in shade. You can't grow food in shade. Right, so it wouldn't be in existing. No, I would say you're, so did that refer to the food forest? Well, you, well, so actually you wouldn't believe how many people actually tried to put vegetable gardens in shade. So I'm sorry to interrupt, but I think, I think I found that the issue here is that we need to define existing. Okay so so that needs there need to I think we have to have certain elements that are in place and that this is very clear so that if we are working to support additional capacity, there has to be the initial capacity, right? So I think if we're going to go down this road in this way, we've got to be able to define that and have certain criteria for what constitutes an existing community garden. Council member to that point, I would look to permit issuance from the zoning department as a kind of a very first step there because it isn't established use within the matrix. Yes. And so you mean defining? In terms of if one exists, I think that would be primafacee evidence so to speak that that's the case. Now because it has it does it does it have all things in it to, you know, it hasn't been maintained. I mean, that's a different question, right? But I think from just a kind of a threshold question, look to that permit side of things, then go from there. Yeah, so we have to differentiate between a plot of land that is, and or. Are we talking about a community garden as that's defined in the zoning code or is it more generic? And, you know, so for eligibility here, and I'd be happy to work with you on that, Maven. Okay, thank you. Okay, yeah, I think there's... That would need to be tightened up. Because many groups decide to start a community garden and because of the work that is required to maintain it and make it successful and it does require frequent visits. I mean, you have to be organized. You have to really stay on it and be committed to it. Sometimes it doesn't work out. Another person that I would recommend you talking with is Susie Ahock from Neighborhood Relations. If you haven't already, have you chatted with her? And the reason I bring her into the picture is that there are neighborhood associations who have tried doing a community garden in the past. Maybe not. They got grant money. We have our neighborhood partnership grants. We have the mayor's mini grant program to start a community garden, which sounds great. And then it comes down to like one or two people who can't handle it all themselves. And so, that's one reason why I like the focus on expanding existing community gardens. And it's also a reason why I would like that definition and that eligibility and the criteria to be well defined. It's a lot of money for one group, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not a lot of money. So we want to make sure that we're using it and approving it for groups that are truly going to expand what they've already got going and what they're already doing well. So I think Susie could be really helpful and just provide her experience and insight from a neighborhood perspective. So that's all I have for now. Thank you. All right committee members council members go ahead council member given. Thank you chair appreciate I just want to say I love this idea. I remember when we started the tree planting campaign I was like can we plant some mango trees some guava something like that. Some happy to see that we are embracing this idea I think it needed. Long overdue. I definitely think we are focusing on some of the inequities, the economic disparities that exist throughout our city, especially when it comes to food insecurity. And I commend you all for taking the step to combat that. You talked about making sure that it's publicly accessible. How do we plan motivate and incentivize and encourage homeowners to get involved and get on board? This program actually isn't made for homeowners because it would require, I've been in conversations with legal because of how the funding works. It requires that it be open to the public. It'd be a public good. So that would not apply but one thing I want to do next year for our tree giveaway that we're getting ready to implement April 19th next year I really like to put a couple fruit trees on that giveaway and be able to encourage residents and if you give the trees away trust me there's no line the lines are out the door as far as really the want that people have for fruit trees. So I'm hoping at least from the resident perspective of trying to encourage people to plant more fruit trees by implementing them in our tree giveaway. Thank you for clarifying that, maybe. And I think it's needed that we do include residential properties. There's a great desire. I know many people have expressed interest in myself included. So if we could consider that, discuss that with legal see with that will require. I don't know if that's something that we can talk about, but I definitely would like to see that happen. They'll scroll around instead of prolonging that until next year. And then also, when talked about education and community engagement, community engagement, excuse me, an outreach. I echo what my colleague, Council Member Gabbard said about engaging people like Erica Hall, also Erica Hardison, who's also with the Florida Food Policy Council, and also one community. She has a plethora of other resources and stakeholder who she's stakeholders who she has already engaged including Carla Bristol with the St. Pete Youth Farm. I definitely think she'd also be a great partner. And speaking of partners, let's consider reaching out to our faith-based partners. Many of them have properties that would be perfect for this and let's also collaborate with the St. Pete Chamber and the greenhouse because maybe this might be an engagement opportunity for small businesses, those who have the properties, let's see if we can collaborate with them. And then also parks and rec, I'm sure you're already thinking about this, but utilizing those community recreation centers. If we can't plant on residential properties, let's at least plant in our community areas so that we can engage the public. I definitely look at the work like Palm Metal Park Neighborhood Association. That's not just a community garden, it's community meeting space. It's a place for them to come together to celebrate community. So I would love to see us do that at our rec centers also. Also consider a need for flexible zoning and permitting. I think it kind of, the current regulations really limit us when it comes to expanding urban agriculture so let's have that conversation as well and then and lastly have we begun identifying to Councilmember Driscoll's point on certain neighborhoods that would be like our target locations no not yet I'd love to help you there that's it all right yeah we'll Love to help you there. That's it. All right. We'll go to Councillor Gertis. Thank you, Chair. Just quickly, and I appreciate Councillor Remember Givens talking about some of the areas. There was one area, and I would have brought this up sooner, but I was reading a book about kind of like a vision of St. Pete and this book was talking about walking through the mango trees. And so I was smiling as Council Member Givens was talking, but I don't know if this is fine this guy. Have we thought about using the trail? Penalas Trail? Yeah. I've found that has not been brought up in conversation, but one thing when talking to parks and rec, they're concerned about people, they're concerned about rodents is one concern and then the other concern is that someone could try to bring a ladder and pick the fruit on the tree. No matter where we put a tree, that's a concern. Those were the concerns. Okay. I'd like to see it explored. And so this was kind of my opportunity to bring up that pie in the sky. Idea, you know, I just, it's accessible across the city. You know, you intersect the entire way across. It's accessible, there are multiple lines in and out where irrigation could be done. And so I feel like it's one of those that kind of checks all the boxes. And again, might be piring the sky, but I'd love to see explore that, at least explore it. And then lastly, I know it's been set, but I just wanna thank Publicly Council Member Gabber and Council Member Driscoff for your work on this. But having watched this for the last few years and then being a part of it, that even sooner. You're your involvement in this and in my opinion is legacy making and so I just wanted to I just wanted to say a big thank you for me. Thanks. Thanks sure. All right Council member Galberg. Thank you just two quick things. One speaking of another group that we need to engage with Sue X St. Pete have you been in contact with with them and attended their meetings? Yes. Okay, have they seen the plan for this because they were another group that I worked with very early on? No, I haven't reached out to anyone about the plan because I really wanted to get everyone's feedback. Okay, so I would definitely see if you can get on their agenda for I think their next meetings I gave first but probably too soon for that, but I would definitely see if you can get on their agenda for I think their next meeting is like April 1st, but probably too soon for that. But I would definitely love to hear their feedback. I think all of the community group feedback is going to be very important for us as we move this forward. So I just wanted to mention them as well. And then to Council Member Givens and Chair Gertis' point, I just kind of want to, I guess, take us all the way back to let both of you know, because I don't think either one of you were here when I first brought this item. So I'll let you. Oh, that was your. He was. He was. So originally, the way that the item started was that my thought was that it would be a community food forest program and what we would literally do is we would give away fruit trees to residents who were willing to put them in publicly accessible places and that is also why we did some of the work to expand the urban agriculture ordinance. So that all went hand in hand. There were some challenges as working with legal about liability, things like that. I mean, Jim Nixon, who works for the city, is a great example of what I wanted to replicate through the city. He has this beautiful mango tree in his front yard. He has these great bins and whenever the mangoes start to ripen, he puts them in these bins, he sets it down into the street. I have some of the bins in my office, actually. He puts it down at the street and it is open for the community to take them. That, to me, is what we should be replicating. But there were some legal challenges. The program kind of flailed a little bit for a while. We then found some funding through BP. This is what it's evolved to, but I've never given up on that original idea that across the city we have a network of fruit trees where we are feeding our communities inside of our communities organically through the work that we do as a community. That is the purpose, that is what we need to get to. And I believe we will get there someday. This is a pilot to give us a start because this is kind of where we've landed today. But I am so excited about the enthusiasm that you're both bringing to this work because I want us to come up with bigger and brighter ways to do this and then then when it comes to the Pinellas Trail, take Marr with love to have conversations about that because they are doing great work along the trail. They want to continue to do more work. We have had a meeting about how you can incorporate food trees into that work and they want to do more and they want to move faster than we are moving. So that is another partner that we need to engage with because I think that they could make a huge difference. If we are planting trees, in my opinion, at least half of those trees should not only be shade but they should also be feeding people. And there are ways to do that that makes sense. We need to get out of the way. We're in the way right now. And so I welcome the collaboration and the excitement and please, if you come up with other ideas that will expand, please let's bring it on and let's make it happen. Thank you, Chair. Great. Good. I want to let you know that we actually have engaged cake. Mara. We met with them Maven and I met with them was about three weeks ago. Okay great here at City Hall Because I had not engaged with them before maven being new had not engaged with them before and so we both wanted to To have that face-to-face with them and and it was very productive and we will continue to do that Yeah, and Tara is actually the new business item that I filed some time back for us to have a conversation about the tree inventory after the storms and how we utilize funds or however we're going to help to reinvigorate our tree canopy that actually came from Tara. So you know I've been working with her on that as well so I'm glad to know that you've all engaged with her. Thank you. Thank you. Anything else, council members? Okay, I'll just... I actually don't have anything to add. They have... You've heard from the people who have worked really hard on this, so I look forward to what we can create going forward. I think everything's been covered really well. So I really appreciate the presentation today. I do have something I want us all to do since we're here. Just take a quick glance at the referral list. We don't need to go through it item by item. But I want to get everybody thinking about things that could come sooner rather than later. I know with new staff support, things have been tricky. But things that we could potentially move forward, we actually scheduled this as there wasn't a lot of other things on the horizon that could be ready. And I want to put a bug in everyone's ear, like to not only push some of this stuff, but also encourage you to put in new business items that maybe take less staff support and we can bring in outside groups. If you want to have discussions like that. So I want to put that bug in everyone's ear. And I also want to let staff say like, if you see an opportunity here, please reach out to the council member who referred it and have us sit down. I know like, you know, it's a learning process for us right now, but I think there's opportunity for us to get some of this stuff going. Some of it's been on for a while. And then, yeah, I think that's all I have for right this second. We'll go to the customer camera again. So just a couple of things. So, food forest, can we leave this on the agenda to come back again as the program starts to roll out? Yeah, probably should have figured that out. That's okay, I didn't ask, so I just wanted to make sure that I did. So thank you. And then number five, the Municipally Owned Grocery Store. Can you help me remember? Did you hand that over to me? I did. So thank you. And then number five, the Municipally Owned Grerschery Store. Can you help me remember, did you hand that over to me? I did, and I just don't see that here. And are you still? Yeah, no, it's definitely. Speaking of other time, and I just wanted to make sure you have handed that to me. Yeah, it's absolutely. Yes, yes, I would. I would like that. Yeah, you had done the research I had done became not so relevant and I I know you had done something that was a little more relevant. Yes, yes, I would. Okay, okay. Yeah, you had done the research I had done became not so relevant and I know you had done some that was a little more relevant. Perfect. Okay, I just want to make sure because I was still under your name on here. Yeah, we'll get that fixed. Perfect. So we have done some significant research on other locations that's been done by economic development. So we could come and present that research. We're ready when, okay, great. We'll set up a meeting and then, yeah, perfect. And then my last thing is I do have a plan to bring a new business item. I'm not sure if I've mentioned this to bring the storm squad and have them come here and just kind of talk about the work that they do and USF St. Pete and all of that work. I think it's very timely and we wanna have that conversation. So I plan on bringing a new business item about that. That's great, yeah, we'll go to Council Member Driscoll. Thank you. I wanted to ask about items three and seven. Both of them are pertaining to ISAP. Yes. And I think that these two could come together because number seven also includes investments under the American City's climate challenge commitments. So I'm hoping that we can do an ISAP update that does include that. And we have not, I think at this point we should be able to ask for a firm date on that. Okay, cool. Thank you. And yeah, Maven, I think when we spoke, you had mentioned you were looking into some of that. You could correct me if I'm wrong. So yeah, if it'll be on up to all one, you can do it. But yeah, we'd like to have that update sooner rather than later. Yeah. Is that what you were going to say? Yeah. If we could actually like agree on that now I think that would be good. I mean the ISAP is really the cornerstone of our environmental work that we're doing for the city and it includes such a broad range of topics many of which we cover in different ways, separately because it is so big. It's really time for us to look at this. So I would love to get that calendar today. So yeah, looking at it, I mean, if we can bring, our next meeting is May 15th, and then we would look to have one in July after that. So, I mean, one of those two would be ideal, and then whichever one it's not, then we will do the municipal grocery store for the other one. So, do you think May or July would be better for you? I think we can do it in May. Thank you. Yeah. I'm sorry. What was that? We can do it in May. Okay. Alright. Excellent. Yes. That works out well with what Council Member Gabbard was pointing out. Okay. And then I also saw Council Chair Gurdies. Thank you. Chair, I just wanted to quickly comment whether administration or council member gathered while we were in Tallahassee this week with the mayor and David Thompson. We started to do some research at a co-op grocery store that's in Tallahassee and so David was tasked by the mayor to dig a little deeper. And so I just wanted to throw that out there knowing that he was gonna do that that research so whoever wanted to make sure we grabbed that for that update because I'm certainly interested in having that be a part of that conversation. And the co-op has always been something that we have wanted to make. Which is why I wanted to bring it up. So that's great. Thank you. And it's what seems to be a very successful one too. Yes. the little bit of research we did while in the car. It seems to be doing very well one, too, in the little bit of research we did while in the car. It seems to be doing very well there in downtown Tallahassee, so just wanted to bring it up. Thank you, Chair. Right. And then Council Member Givens, you have. Thank you, Chair, I appreciate it. I just wanted to inform the committee that I do plan to bring to us an update, hopefully in the near future, on the enforcement of our plastic straw bans, ordinance, and then also looking at the expansion of that ordinance to include plastic utensils. So conversation I'm looking forward to. So thank you, great. Thank you. OK, anything else for the good of the group? Anyone in the room? One last question. I'm sorry. Go ahead. So your item number two on the Duke Energy Franchise Agreement? house quickly do you think that you'll be bringing that back? Because I know there's a lot of stakeholders that want us to have that conversation. Absolutely. I'm glad you brought it up. So I had been hoping that we could have that conversation after Clearwater had their results come back. The last I heard, it was going to be this month, and then I heard it would be next month and so Look for me to bring that Well, you know we're limited on meetings, but look for me to try to work something in that that's my plan always has been I think we share a slot with YFS actually That's my understanding maybe a schedule slot am I mistaken there? I don't know off the top of my okay, okay, I don't want to I've been under the impression that there's maybe a little bit of flexibility But I'll obviously that's what I would like to say yes, absolutely I'm not talking at turn thanks. Share I'm certainly happy to help get it on the schedule Whether it's YFSFS and I even think, I mean, it could fit BF and T because it is a contract. And so that schedule is much tougher. But I'm happy to help get it on a schedule. If I hurt hers over the next, what is three and a half months, seems to be scheduled up now after the last few conversations. I'm happy to help anyway. Okay I'm sorry let me make the clarification. I meant like the time that we get scheduled rotates back and forth so like and I was saying that committee doesn't often meet and so there's a time slot available for us to have a hers meeting. Again I'm happy. But I appreciate I appreciate what you just offered. Yeah. And I think because the item has conversations around our renewable energy goals, which is another piece that's very important for the stakeholder community for us to continue to have those conversations. And the stakeholders that care about this are very engaged with this committee. So I would love to see it stay here if it all possible. And if that means we got a fine room for another meeting somewhere, I'm down to stay later, whatever it takes to make sure we have that conversation. Like I said, I'm happy to help anyway I can there. I appreciate the comments. We're going to go to Councilman Bridgesco. I just got one thing I want to add is, yeah, my intent has always been, we sort of have, when I brought up the referral list, conversation was because like some things that languished a little bit and something, and we could use some more energy put into the committee, but my intent always has been for us to be ready to bring things forward and every chance we get to move them in because this committee, I feel is very important to the city and the meeting schedule hasn't reflected that and that's kind of why I wanted to have this conversation. So go ahead Council member, Driscoll. Thank you. Well, as the Chair of the Economic and Workforce Development Committee, there are times when things can be moved around. That's a committee that meets once a month. And if it were to work out where we had a request, I would certainly look at ways that I could say yes. We'll give that spot to hers. All right. Conversation. So keep that in mind as well. Thank you. I really appreciate that, and I definitely will. Okay, great. Anyone else? All right. Thank you. Very productive meeting. I feel very good about the future of the committee right now. And so it's a wonderful way to start the day. So thanks everyone, and we're going to call today's Health Energy Resilience and Sustainability Committee adjourned. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you.