Good afternoon and welcome to the May 19, 2025 meeting of the Charlotte County Punnagorter Metropolitan Planning Organization. This meeting is now called to order. We'll begin with a roll call. Thank you. Good afternoon. Commissioner Canned Dordy. Here. Commissioner Tomas Torenberry. Here. Commissioner Christopher Constan. Here. Council Member Jenny and Paul. Here. Commissioner Joseph Taseo. Here. FTOT, Southwest Area Office Director Wayne Gator. Here. Very good, thank you. We had on the schedule an invocation from Pastor Jim Chandler, but I don't see him here. So Commissioner Torenberry has accepted the honors. And then we'll do the P entrance to follow. Please stand in by your hands. Definitely, Father, we are just so grateful for this opportunity to come together and our MPO. And just please guide our discussions on our decisions today as we go throughout our meeting. We ask you to keep us all safe and healthy, especially all those who travel on our roads. And especially our first responders and our military, please watch over them as they run to harm's way to protect us. We ask everything to your glory and to your will in Jesus' name, amen. Amen. Please join the pleasure. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one mission under God in the visible with liberty and justice for our All right, thank you everybody. Are there any additions, deletions or modifications to the agenda? Mr. G. Mr. Guern. We have a report from the West Bay's one addition to the agenda item number 10. Under the request of Council member Polk, crossbox and media bodies within the city. Is your mic on? I will see you next time. Thanks. Thank you. Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and MPO board members. There is one addition to the agenda item number 10. A priority report at the request of council member Pope, crosswalks and ADA projects within the city limits have been added to the discussion. That's all I've asked for. All right, so I'll take a motion to approve the agenda as published with that modification. So move motion second, any further discussion Hearing none is there any opposition? Hearing none that passes unanimously. I have two cards. We're going to move on to item five public comments on agenda items The first person is Tammy Powell She is speaking about the ranchettes item within the long range plan Good afternoon chair and council people. I'm Tammy Powell I'm a local realtor and we just recently understood about a road a plan for it to come through the ranchettes and down Polingas Drive. We have concern about that of course because we live on the road. We don't see the need for having a road come down through the ranchettes from Jones Loop and we were under the understanding that it was because of the communities that were going to be built in that area to make it quicker and some time travels, some of the residents actually did some timing and and the amount of time over the amount of money it's gonna cost you to buy out all the properties through the ranchettes to do the spoiling road, downpillingous, and I don't know if you guys have been downpillingous road? No? Or have, I know the condition itself. Right, recently? Yes, ma'am. Okay, because we just built our house in 2023. We have my dad that lives with us in the big white house there that you plan to go right through. Our son lives across the street. He's a first responder with his wife and our twin grandbabies. And we bought this property. We went down, pulling this road. There's 20 plus homes that you're going gonna have to take to do the road to build out there plus through the ranch hats You know, we agree that Burma needs to be widened with all the traffic But to do the loop through from Jones loop through the ranchettes and down. I mean, it's gonna affect a lot of people, farms, businesses, homeowners, you know, a lot of farming community, it's just going to be drastic. So I know that there's a lot of people we've had some meetings with the community and people would have come out today. We didn't know that we were allowed to speak. So there's going to be a lot more people coming out to oppose that decision. You know, I don't know if it's in stone. I know that it's, I don't know what the word was. You adopted it. That's it. But is it approved? I mean, we have a lot of questions about it. That's why we're here to hear you discuss it. But just wanted to make sure you knew, you know, that we oppose it. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Welcome. Next up I have Christina Brinkman also speaking on the ranchettes and she has furnished a fact sheet and a resolution. Yes. Both of these. Okay. Are you ready? I'm ready. My name is Christina Brinkman and I live on 7123 A.C.R.M. Boulevard in the Charlotte Ranch Hut. I appreciate the opportunity to speak today because this proposed doesn't just impact my straighted impacts my home, my family, and everything I've worked for. I've lived in Panagorta my whole life with the exception of a couple years for school. And my family has a small business in town and it's been established before I was even born. So I've been a part of this community pretty much my whole life. We've supported local growth and seen this area evolve but what's being proposed is different. It's not growth, it's an intrusion. I recently discovered that Acorn Boulevard is listed in your planning materials in the future corridor. In fact, it's marked as a top priority, but here's what makes it the situation unique. Acorn Boulevard is not a public road. In 2021, Charlotte County passed the resolution 2021-021, formerly disconnecting maintenance on the roads of the Charlotte Ranchettes including a corn boulevard. It actually states the roads have not been accepted into the county's roadway system and maintained by the county standards and have not been conveyed to the county. The county officials stepped away. They acknowledged that these roads are private and the responsibility now rests with the individual property owners people like me. My home just sits 20 feet from this proposed for for Lane Highway. If this moves forward I won't just affect the edges of our property it will wipe out my yard, my garage and potentially my home. And the story is just one of many. Our neighbors have horses, goats, pigs, chickens, and barns. We rely on our dirt roads and maintain them ourselves. This is an undeveloped land where it's waiting to be filled. It's a rural neighborhood filled with families who were told by the county that our roads would be private. One of the reasons we chose this property is for the safety and peace it offers. I can watch my daughter go across the street to her friend's house through my kitchen window. You know you can't really put a price on that anymore nowadays. My daughter is also very active in 4-H and she participates in the Charlotte County Fair for the last four years. The one thing that really sticks out to me is that we were never notified. We weren't given a letter, we weren't given a phone call, nothing. I actually found out about this because someone took a class with someone that saw this slide. Just the time she puts the time running late, you know, 30 seconds. Keep going. Okay. What we ask is that you remove a corn boulevard from your priority list and honor the county's resolution to keep the roads private. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else who wants to speak on agenda items? Come on around and we'll have you fill out a card after you speak this one. When you're done,. Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity. My name is Kathy Cruz for the record. I also live in the ranch at Simea Retired Educator and also a former fire commissioner of a special district. So I've been an elected official for almost ten years. I know what you're feeling, and I've been there done that kind of thing. I'm fairly new to the ranchats. We've been here for probably about five years now, and it's a lifestyle change for us, and we love it. I'm looking at this from a little bit of a different perspective. Yes, I agree with everything the two former women came up and spoke about. I'm totally on board with that. I look at it through the eyes of an elected official. I look at it through the eyes of a public safety issue. Again, this was just sprung on me. I've only known about this for probably three days. I haven't done my homework yet, but the first thing that came on inside of my head, the light bulb said public safety issue. And I'll talk to you more about that later at future meetings, but I think that we can look at this a different way perhaps and we can start looking at it in a way that might be a little bit. I don't want to offend anyone but smarter. Work smarter not harder. There's a lot that maybe perhaps the planning board isn't aware of and I feel like we can probably make this a win-win situation if we look at it through maybe a different lens. So thank you again for the opportunity to speak to you today. And hopefully you'll keep your mind open as we go forward on this. Thank you. Thank you. Does anybody else wish to speak on agenda items? Please step forward. And again, when you're done, a few out of the back table. Yep, absolutely no problem. How you doing, Michael Flowers, hi, Benine. Born and raised here like my father before me and I live in a ranch that's been there for 20 years. Just like everybody else, I could say all that kind of stuff, but what I would say instead is if you literally go two blocks east, you could go through Chisha Web Game Preserve right on the edge and come out right at the back side of Jones-Zoo Pro, you wouldn't have to affect anybody's house that way. So just something to think about. Otherwise, I'll be fighting you. Thank you. You may else wish to speak. Yes sir? Oh yes ma' sorry, going back. So we live on Acorn as well. We name for the book. Oh, Kaylyn, Kaylyn Lee. So we, I mean, my husband just purchased property on Acorn a year ago and we want to build our house. So you two little boys. We really are opposing it. And again, I support him. There's so much land right there that you can build through so web so we really pose it it's really sad because it's a huge community out there so really don't want it so thank you appreciate your time anybody else wish to speak Okay, I don't see anybody else raising their hand. I appreciate you folks filling out those cards in the back. Okay, next up we have our Consent Agenda which is two items the approval minutes from March 31st regular meeting of the MPO and also the MPO Board resolutions are authorizing FY202425 Transportation Disadvantaged Planning Grant Agreement. Move consent? Second. Motion detected, move consent. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, is there any opposition? Hearing none, that passes unanimously. All right. We'll now move on to our public meeting, which is the final FY 2025, 26 FY 2029, 2030, Transportation Improvement Program. Mr. Gurm, I want to take that one. Yes, sir. Good afternoon, Mr. Chair. This is a presentation for our 2025 Transportation Improvement Program, which takes into effect July first 2025. That That means our 2024 tip is still valid for two more months before the new tip kicks in. The transportation improvement program correlates with the latest snapshot of the five year work program that FDOT releases every one year. So those projects have been listed in your tip document. That shows for state federal and local dollars staff has reviewed the word program and we haven't seen any major surprises as far as the Funding is related other than the carbon-direction program projects that have been funded with the federal funds with a different source of federal funds now So some of the highlights of the tip document includes on your screen, which is number three, section three is a performance measure. It's a federal requirement. Performance-based planning is a quantifiable approach to track performance and establish data-driven targets that access progress towards achieving of improving safety and maintaining infrastructure condition. Those section is from page number 24 to 51, section 4 is your funding summary. Those projects have been listed by funding code and also by the mode. These projects come straight from our work program that the audio releases every one year. So those are from page number 52 to 72, sir. So on this slide, you see the breakdown of projects and funds by category and by type. So the funding has been broken down in this firework phase. So there is a total investment of $181 million in the work program. In that, 15-9% is federal. 18% is a state funds and 22% is local funds. So lastly, this document has been opened for public comment since April 2021 for public comment. We haven't received any comments on this document. So we're happy to take any comments at your recommendation. If not, in Pio chair, the staff is looking for a roll call vote to adopt the 2025 tip. Right. The 2025-26 to 2029-2030. Yes, sir. Transportation and program. And I just want to highlight the fact that this is the next five years. Nothing in here deals with the ranchats at all. No, sir. 50 plans. So this is the next five years nothing in here deals with the ranchettes at all. No, sir. That is in the 2050 plan. So this is that's a, you know, we haven't even seen this before, none of us. So that's going to get presented today, but I just don't want anybody getting excited because nowhere in here are any of these projects even related to what was spoken about earlier. Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you, sir. Yes, sir. Yeah, I believe that item is on regarding the ranchettes as item 12 on our agenda. Yes, sir. So it's not in this particular item. Right. It's the 2050. You thank you. Yes, just want to be clear. So with that, Mr. Chair, I'll make a motion. Oh. I've got to do public here. So any other questions for staff? All right. If not, I'll open this up to the public. This is an opportunity for the public to speak on this particular item, the 2025, 26, 2029, 2030 transportation improvement program. So this is a public hearing, you'll be given five minutes. Anybody wishing to speak? Mr. Chairman, say no one rising. I move to close the public input portion of the public hearing. Second. Motion second to close. Any discussion? Any opposition? All right, hearing none, the public's input portion of the public hearing is closed. Mr. Chair. Yes, sir. Motion to approve the final draft FY 2025 2026 through FY 2029 2030 Transportation Improvement Program. Second. One second. Okay. Any further discussion? All right. Hearing none. This is a roll call vote. Becky. I'm going to make sure to hand-dirty. Hi. Commissioner Thomas Dormary. Hi. Commissioner Frister for Constance. Hi. Councilman. This is a roll call vote. Becky. Commissioner Candority. Aye. Commissioner Thomas Dormary. Aye. Commissioner Christopher Constance. Aye. Council Member Ginny and Paul. Aye. Commissioner Jill Zephthissay. Aye. All right, that passes unanimous things. We'll move on to item eight. A is chair's report. I added an item to the F. report because I just wanted more clarification about Jones Lou Brode and the misq with the lack of paving between the acceleration apron southbound off the highway to Mac Drive, which was, it's just one big rumble strip right now. So, good news is FDOT realized the issue and they're fast tracking something that should be repaired by July, but I'm going to let you weigh in on that way and when you get to that item. Otherwise, I don't really have anything else. So we'll move on to Now Citizens Advisory Committee. 8. So we'll move on to citizens advisory committee. 8 a 8b 8b I'm sorry 8b. A good afternoon chairman and the board members. I'm Jill Hartman. I am the vice chair of the CAC committee and I'm filling in for Diane Quilty. We're good April 23, 2025 and for the Charlotte County report our main discussion was regarding preparing traffic signals for US 41 northbound at the Reda Esplanade and that was great for the committee and there was a discussion more than once during the meeting if there were going to be plans for the US 41 southbound for red at Esplanade and we were told there's no work at this time considering the signal going south and we had no reports from Pentegrin or the sheriff's office. Next we had a information and reports from F. And one of the discussions was they were sharing with us for the first time the Advanced Air Mobility Project. And that was very interesting with the helicopter type vehicles taking off vertically up in takeoff and landing like a helicopter. And the group had many questions. Just in general we had questions about noise levels, air traffic control if that was going to be needed. The cost of it was their chance we'd have savings from it because there was no right of way purchases needed What was going to be the range of travel and was it going to be focused more for people and commercial work or cargo or both? And that was generally informational for us Another informational presentation we had was emerging vehicles preempt device installation That was given to us by the company Opticom. And basically I think the board has already had information on that where they put modems tied to the lights and do traffic signal priority when the emergency vehicles come in. We found that that very interesting. Fire engines, Trump ambulances, because they're bigger type of thing. And we had three main questions we asked at that one. What would be the cell service provider? And it basically ties in with whatever the fire, each fire station has. And was it going to be scalable down the road and that was a yes and also when they were talking about funding we asked about could the penny tax be used and we were educated that no it could not because it was software not construction. Next we had a presentation on the 2025 draft project priorities, the final presentation, and that covered highway projects, transportation, alternative program, congestion mitigation, and transportation system management, and the transportation regional incentive program. And the board motion that the MPO board should adopt the final draft of that. And on the 2025-26 tip, which this may have already been covered, there was just, we were presented with the interlocal agreement between the Charlotte County Pentegrino MPO with Sarasota Manatee MPO and the Lee County MPO mainly to identify regional priorities and to include those and the respective MPOs reports and the committee recommended the MPO board review and approve that And we had another original interlocking agreement between the Heartland Regional TPO and the Charlotte County, Funtagorda MPO. The committee was very interested. We weren't necessarily confused, but we didn't know what included Heartland and it included the six counties of D'Sota, Glades, Hardy, Henry, Highland, and Okachoby counties. So we found that interesting that would be partnering with them. And the CAC recommends to the MPO board that we approved that agreement. And lastly on that we had the 2050 long range transportation plan. been many workshops that have been held and some that are still scheduled up through August. And for our group, the main discussion was the veterans Boulevard King's Highway area, where we're going to allow traffic to enter and exit at veterans Boulevard and King's Highway by utilizing flowing ramps. And they were a PowerPoint that presented on that China disho as what those ramps would look like. And the CSA committee recommends the MPO board review and approve that. And then just some three general things that came out of the staff comments from Jill Turner for the Charlotte County Transit. They were very successful having over 300 trips a day and the beach shuttle is a big success and people are enjoying that a lot. There was a lot of discussion on the concern of the Bucky's gas station and store at Harbor View Heights, I-75. Mainly the concern of the increase of traffic and envisioning more would be coming down Harbor View Road versus how many people would just get off the interstate, go to Bucky's and get right back on the interstate kind of concept. And the last was just an update on state road 776 at the intersections that are getting refigured where you can turn left or turn right, but you can't go straight through the intersections of the side roads. Some people are a little disgruntled about it, but they're accepting them and know that they were necessary to try to reduce accidents. Any questions? Any questions for this? Yeah, I had a question. I see in the minutes of the meeting, the 2050 long range transportation plan update came to you guys or no? Is that right, Blacks? Yes, sir. Any night that goes to the these both? Yeah, we'll be part of the TSCC. Yeah, because I was looking at it just to make sure you know that the public had opportunities for input. I'm glad they're here today you know, so we have multiple ways to get to us to make their comments. So that's a good thing. But according to the minutes, it says here that the draft 2050 needs assessment includes input from the public and various stakeholders from the county. Staff received input from three public workshops held February 10th, 11th, and 12th gathered feedback from 50 participants to help shape that plan. How do we advertise that to the public? So Mr. Chair. Yes, please. MPO do have a public participation plan. That is, we adapt specifically for a wrong range transportation plan. We try to reach out to the website, MPO website. So is the Charlotte County website, CDF Pantigordo website, and including the local newspapers, alongside the libraries. We try to hit all these locations for a public input. Yeah, because one person mentioned, they only found out, because they heard from somebody else who happened to, by chance, right? Find out that it showed that one road going down Allen Boulevard. It also says additional outreach activities include a short survey and interactive mapping available on the website. So people could actually just go to the website and give their input if they couldn't physically make the meeting. Yes, sir. Yeah, because one of the things we do is the Board of County Commission, we have land use, things like that. They're going to impact people's properties. We send out a direct mailer within 1,000 feet of the project. So I was kind of curious how we do these, because we have so many roads going everywhere. It would be hard, I guess, to do. It would be thousands and thousands of mailers. Mr. Chair, for me. Yes, please. We do. Our public meetings are geographically focused like South County, Mid County and West County. We try to advertise these meetings way in advance, give the public at least 30 days notice to get the feedback. And we do have a way to reach out by the phone call. We can write the imperial staff through phone call, make sure that if they're planning to attend we try to address those those concerns as well. Yeah, I just wanna make sure the public knows that there are opportunities physically and virtually to accommodate people to get the information. The problem is if they don't know about it, they don't know how to access the meeting. So that's always an issue, how can we get the word out more effectively for items like this? Because we want public input. There were 50 participants that gave input, so you could always use more. There is another Mr. Jennifer May. We do have another set up public workshop that is coming up on May 26, May 27 and May 28. May 28 meetings are in South County, Charlotte County even center. So this is open for the public as well. So we do have our August meeting, August 4th, that is also MPO board meeting, it's open for the public and any CAC, TAC, our feedback meetings are open for the public. They are welcome to attend those meetings. Well I'm glad I got on people's radar because I know this board and our other boards we value public input. I mean and there's a lot of stops along the way with this. So it's good that this is a 2050 project and we can talk about it when it comes up. So I think the public is doing the correct thing by coming here and giving the feedback just because you missed those meetings doesn't prohibit you from talking to us all the way through. Yes sir. I think that's right. Yeah. Before I recognize Councillor Winn Polk so can you repeat that South County meeting is May 28th at the event center? Yes sir. That's on the line. is going to be, I believe, at 2 o'clock, but I will get more detail information on that. I believe it's 2 o'clock. And would it be addressing this long range transportation plan to get more input? Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you. Councilwoman Po. Yes, so I had a great weekend with the Metropolitan Planning Organization Advisory Council. And that was one of the biggest issues. Oh, my, I'm sorry. That was one of the biggest issues was really getting information out to the public. And they said, us as MPO board members should be doing as much as we possibly can to get the word out. Maybe you have a newsletter or they said go to places where people are maybe set up a tent at the Saturday farmers market who has time to do that I know it's very difficult to do that especially like me I own my own business so but it is part of our responsibility to get the word out and so we can't just leave it to them and that was just interesting to me. Thank you Okay So next up we have our technical advice and this is any other questions We'll move on to item C which is technical advisory committee chairs report and we have mr. Robert factory good afternoon Good afternoon, mr. Chair commissioners Robert factory chair of the TAC and We had meeting, pretty much similar items that was discussed earlier. The draft project priorities were discussed and recommended for approval. The five year TIP was discussed and recommended for approval as well. The LRTP needs assessment presentation was presented and made some comments on that. The interlocal agreement with the heartland TPO was recommended for approval as well. And the advanced mobility we did here presentation has fairly new concept and early phase that will facilitate transportation for commercial and for passengers as well. And also we've learned from the department that the Reduction Act, Carbon Reduction Act, doesn't really impact much Charlotte County adversely. So these are pretty much the items that were discussed. And if you have any questions, be glad to answer. Any questions? Thank you for chairing that and for bringing us the technical information but also for working with the citizens of I.R.I.Z. because I think it's really important for them to get the full picture of and get answers to their questions so that they give you know better informed comments so thank you for that. All right thank you. Appreciate it. All right, if there's no questions, we'll move on to the Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory Committee. Hello, good afternoon. Laura Rossi, Chair VPAC. We had all the similar and the items that were just discussed for both other committees. The, we were also presented the LRTP. We had a few comments. One was that there was showing lane repurposing on Marion in city of Ponegorta, which kind of alluded to a widening instead of a lane reduction. So we asked for that to be revisited. We also understood, we had a lot more comments, but we understood that there's gonna be workshops, that a few of our committee members are participating in to get further time to discuss what we feel like the BPAC needs are. And we are very excited to hear that the Charlotte County Transit is considering how to accommodate bikes on their buses. That was one of our recent requests, and they took it seriously. So we were really not excited to hear that. And then we had some suggestions that the beach shuttle should consider an earlier running time than the time it's starting now to accommodate more of the early rising population. And that's it. Right. Any questions? Mr. Rossi, thank you very much. Thank you. Appreciate the report. I just had a quick comment, Mr. Chair. Regarding these committees, the Technical Advisory Committee and the Citizens Advisory Committee, do we currently have openings on those committees and some of them get hard to to to staff up? At right now we do not have any openings on the TSC and CSE like we do have one opening in LCB Which is our local coordination board that it's an opening? You have on a LCB serve. Okay, because one of the before I became a commissioner I served on the citizens advisory just as a volunteer. They meet like once a month or every other month. They can't remember what it was. I think every two months. Every two months. It coincides with this meeting. Yeah, they're gonna say if anybody from the public's interested to get more information, it's a great place to go. We always look for citizen volunteers to sit on those boards because those recommendations to boards like ours and ultimately the Board of County Commissioners. So I was just checking to see if there were openings. Sometimes we have gaps where there's openings we don't fill. because those recommendations come to boards like ours and ultimately the Board of County Commissioners. So I was just checking to see if they were opening. Sometimes we have gaps where there's openings we don't fill for a few months. Like we've been so lucky so far. It's been a full like there's no weekends at this time. Good good good here. They are welcome to attend any meetings. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's another thing. All these meetings anybody from the public who who wants to attend, you have time to speak. I think there's three minutes for citizens input on any of these items, anybody from the public who wants to attend, you have time to speak. I think there's three minutes for citizens input on any of these items. So you can still participate. If you can't make this meeting or you want to get in on the ground floor, you can go to those advisory committee meetings so that it gets to them before it gets to us. Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, sir. All right, we'll move on to local government reports and we'll start out with Charlotte County Airport Authority. Good afternoon, good afternoon, everyone. Not much has changed as far as transportation related projects go are two road projects that are becoming up challenge or bull of art is still on hold waiting for drainage designed. There's literally a lake that would have to be partially altered in order to make that happen. We're looking for some alternatives. Piper Road roundabout of course is still in design. March and April were record months. Of course we're starting to anticipate some wind down on activity and record months in terms of budget numbers but primarily airport operations and usage which is primarily attributed to the GA component, which is a lot of our flight schools and some new flight schools that have come in that have really up the numbers for takeoffs and landings. And of course, I mentioned in the packet that I have a couple of legislative issues that we're keeping in eye on, but nothing definite as far as I know as it today's meeting. So unless you have any questions, that concludes my report. Thank you, sir. You know, it's funny. You mentioned Piper Road roundabout, and I know that's the one at the Soguen Inn. But now that I think about Piper Road, Henry Street is not the best interaction there because you get people that stop sign trying to get across and it can be a little bit scary. So I wonder if staff has ever looked at, and I see Mr. Elias in the back, and I was to factories in the room, but the possibilities of, instead of ever putting a traffic light at airport road or Henry, actually designing and roundabouts of those locations. Yeah, if you want to pop up. I'm just really curious if you've, I don't know if we have the real estate or if it would function better but you know better to talk about it early than late. For the record John Elias Public Works Director, you kind of caught me off guard with that one because we had looked at a signal but to my knowledge we've never looked at around about it that location. I mean, I think I've got two other commissioners here. We could probably give you like head nods to at least explore it because it's something that it winds up being cheaper and maintenance wise. It's fantastic compared to having to deal with the light and the traffic flow is far more efficient. And every we've got them all over the place. People are getting used to them. So I just think that's that's got to be our number one go to and then if there's no way to put one of those in then we go to signalization. You'll never hear me talk down about roundabout the only caveat I would say to your statement is they may the cost is contingent bond if you're having a life property right then that turns into something else so. Just for Claire case scenario are you Are you talking about airport road and piper and lieu of? No, no, no, no, no. In addition to Jones loop and Jones loop and Piper they're putting in around right are you talking about that's around about I'm referring to yeah that yeah and I'm talking about the possibilities of that airport and Piper and Henry and Piper and addition to those yeah in addition right now not to supplant but you know to add to because you know I just think that those make a lot more sense than trying to put signals up where traffic backs up and It just isn't as good. It's not as efficient as if we can do it and I think there's enough right away just No, probably be worth at least giving it a look Thank you All right. Thank you commissioner We'll move on to City of Punicordo. Councilwoman. Okay. For the City Council is considering options for traffic calming within the city, including West Marion Avenue and West Reda Esplanade at our May 21st City Council meeting. The 2024 annual paving program was delayed by last year's hurricanes until last month. The work will be completed by the end of this week. The 2025 annual Swale program is set to begin this week. The city anticipates the completion of the citywide paving assessment of asphalt streets by the end of the month. The city staff is working in coordination with state contractor to have vessels removed from the marina starting later this month. The construction of the Lashley Parks Flash Pad is still ongoing. Trench drains and recirculation piping are currently being installed. It's expected to reopen in mid 2025. Completion has been delayed due to hurricanes, DOH permitting and contractor issues. The Boca Grande drainage project area is bound by Taylor Road to the North Cooper Street to the east, Palmarra Drive to the south and Seminal Gulf Railway ditch to the west and continues to move forward. The area encompasses about 105 acres of which approximately 25 acres are commercial with the remaining 80 acres consisting of low density residential. This is a master drainage plan for water quality improvements and construction of a storm water management area. The city continues to work toward completing the environmental record review. Can I do a quick question. So what does the traffic calming west of 41 on the West Marian look like? Like what's the concept? You know I'm not really sure what that is. I'm thinking it could be a light. Is it not there yet? No. And I think the lady talked about it earlier where West Marion is and she said yes so there has to be something that goes in in that area because we have people walking on our walking trail and they'll be okay with crossing that road it's quite dangerous where you want. Oh yeah. There at West Reda. I mean I've watched people do it I'm like well it is part of the path they can no longer go underneath because there was so much damage to the bridge underneath so they walk right across where you want and at this moment it's extremely dangerous. No, I don't disagree. OK, well thank you. Plashing lights would be nice too. Some kind of a flashing stop or something, but it needs to be looked into a little more. Very good, thank you. All right, if there's no questions, we'll move on to item C, which is the Charlotte County report. I have to move to say it. Thank you, Mr. Chair. The first item on the list is Veterans Boulevard at Cochrane Intersection Improvements. There will be lighted message boards. We'll be on site two weeks prior to the start of the construction, notifying motoring public of the upcoming work. Construction is scheduled to start May 19, 2025. Mr. Elias, question for you on that. Is that still on schedule? Because I drove in today and I didn't see anything going on. So I believe it's still on schedule. When we say construction starts, there was actually people out there last week with Jeff. They were doing some what I'd like to call not intrusive utility locates, whether you use vacuum excavators to try to find stuff. But my guess is yes, it's actually started. It's just staging and planning. And this is the question, and I may be incorrect on this. Was it going to take six months from start to finish? That's what I believe the project is set up as. OK, so just so people know, because I know we've talked about it, that's going to be kind of messy over there for six months. That is a major, major intersection. So I travel that every day. So there's alternate locations to do your east, west connector. You've got Pechland, Quisata, and Midway. So be prepared if you're out there listening at home. Once this construction starts, it's bad enough now, and hopefully this construction is going to help when it's done. But in the six months, you know, people are probably going to want to look for alternate routes east-west. So those are the three I came up with. I can't think of any other ones. I couldn't agree more, Commissioner. We're also putting out a bunch of information on it, and we're also seeing, it's almost like we've partnered with some of the social media local pages where people put out information about what's going on in Charlotte County and scoop pages like that, certain citizens that people go to, they're all putting out that same messaging that like, hey, if you can avoid this area, you probably should. Yeah, I'll definitely avoid it. Smith, your answer. I have Councilwoman Polk in a second. So six months from now is the end of November where we will be giving thanks that the project is done before season. Is that not correct? I don't want to be talking to you in December or January going, well, there's delays because we better have liquidated damages in those contracts. Because when they tell us six months, it's six months, not seven months, not nine months, hey, it's April and it's finally done. Well, you know, we've had a million extra people here and it didn't help us at all that they didn't hit their deadline. So, who's the project manager on this? Jeff Kaiser, I believe. No, good, all right. Thank God. Thank you. Councilwoman Aiel, you're a good floor. I'm happy to hear that. Did you have anything to say? No. Oh, sorry. I thought you- I'm sorry. Excuse me. I just got a chance to be on for that. I'm on for that. I'm on. I'm on. I'm on. Okay. Commissioner Cade. Yeah, I'll keep rolling. Well, some more work on veterans Boulevard intersection improvements. We have seven residential streets that tie into veterans, Loveland Boulevard, Torrington Harbor, Yorkshire, Orlando, Norman, and Atwater. Four of those are at 100 percent, are at final plans, and the others are at 90, 60, and 60 percent plans. And those are for right turn lanes. That was part of a phased approach. We were going to go with, I believe, the right turn lanes, and then we were looking at signalization in the future. But funding will only allow us to probably just work on these, which is a good thing for anybody who's traveled that road, and you have to stop to make a right hand turn on to any one of those streets. You're stopping with people going 60 miles an hour behind you. Now you'll be able to get off and decel into a turn lane and go. I think there was a, was there still an issue with storm water? So I brought a great transportation presentation that you all will see tomorrow during our workshop. So that's where I got a lot of my notes from. I'm not sure that we're working through stormwater issues still. I know it's being designed. The one question I would point out is there's additional work. We're phasing a couple of these to do at the same time because it's the same type of work, but there's also some arcuts and stuff up closer to lovedland that we're still going to do that'll probably be a secondary phase as well. Yeah, I think there was an art cut at Norman Norman Yeah, yeah Even though we talked about signalization, but I think the art but that's later on down the road This is all we have on the books right now. It's just these turn lanes just to be clear. Yep. Okay, so we can address that at a later date Okay, thank you construction forecast is for 2025 2026 on those projects. Next we have the Filmingo Edge Water Widening. We are at 90% design plan for phases 3, 4, and 5. They've been received and all phases are now working towards 100% design. 85% of the property acquisition is in progress. And we recently obtained the necessary SwiftMod permits. The FDOT LAP project review is in progress for the 776 intersection work and Army Corps of Engineer Agency permitting review is in progress for phases 3, 4 and 5, design development forecast, the spring of 2025, another very important project that I'm looking forward to moving on. King's highway widening, the project was bid in February 2025, Andrew's site work is a successful low bidder. Notice to proceed is in the holding pattern until FDOT, central office issues approval to move forward. Where's our approval? Yeah. Since you said right next to me. What are we waiting for? Yeah. I told him I was going to test him. It's his first time in the hot seat. So now that LK is not here. Is this the Harborview Kings Highway? Yeah, it's Kings Highway widening. No, Kings Highway widening into the soda. Yeah, I was going to say we're working a lap agreement on the Kings high. Yeah, no, no, no, this is something different. San Hill Boulevard widening. 30% construction plans are due for review on June 30th. Design Development Forecast Completion, summer of 2026. Construction Forecast Completion, summer of 28. Peachland Boulevard at Harbor Boulevard intersection improvements. design development forecast completion summer of 28. Peach Lambolevard at Harbor Boulevard intersection improvements, design development forecast completion, fall of 2025, 60% plans are due for review in the spring of 2025 and the design survey has started. And that is all I have to report, Mr. Chair. All right, very good, any questions? All right, here none. We're gonna move on to item 10, which is the Florida Department of Transportation Report. We have a F.led section and a joint local and F.D. discussion. Mr. Chair, yes sir. As Pam makes her way to the podium, just a few items I wanted to bring up. First, okay, Secretary andandem submits his apologies for not being able to make today's meeting. Double booked and basically just spread too far across the district. So I'll do my best to sit in for him. Well, let's pause there and break the news to everybody that I think it's out publicly but we've even addressed it here that Secretary Nandem is resigning and going to the private sector. That is correct. After 20 years working in the government sector and after eight years being a stellar district one secretary, we are really going to be – he's going to be sadly missed. I think he's going to be some really tough shoes to fill because he was – he's incredibly intelligent, he knows this stuff, he knows the rules, he knows the people, but he's also was amazing to work with because he felt the angst. He knew what the issues that we were bringing to him were personal, that there are community, we were really trying to get projects done as rapidly as we could and within the bounds of the rules and what could be done and he was always, it was never no, it was let me look into it, let me see. He would routinely drive places or send people to drive for him and look, but he always wanted hands on, I mean, he never dialed it and he was always interested in the end product and working with us. So, I don't know how we're going to replace him, but I hope he hears these words because there's not a person that's ever worked on this MPO from the elected side that was ever disappointed in him. He all through COVID, all through, you know, he really was an incredible standard and he was selected to chair M. Cores, which was a huge project mid-state that could have happened and who knows if they dust those prints off ever but you know they picked the right guy. He did a fantastic job at all of those meetings. So anyway, I digress but I think it's important to highlight one exceptional person. We going to be losing. I'll share your sentiments with you. Thank you. The other item I wanted to bring up is that through state legislature there is still discussion that's going on on the budget. They close the normal session without having a budget determined. The budget is obviously a key component for our work program. Provides the funding for the current year of the project so we have in place. So we still have a plan in place. The tasks such as on LACS identified earlier, the tip are still required to be completed at this time and we're still waiting for hopefully sooner than later determination by state legislatures to what the budget will be. It's my last mind understanding. There was still a sizable discrepancy between the House and the Senate, which they should be working on coming soon. And we should be looking at the new session starting in early June if I'm not mistaken. When they have 42 whole days till July 1st, so they gotta get it done. Yep. Mr. Chair, if I may. So with so much uncertainty out there, hurricane seasons upon us, we're still dealing with restorms to have the legislature, state legislature, not have a budget to add more uncertainty. And everything else that's coming out of Tallahassee right now, it's not good for local government. I mean, we're sitting here trying to plan and, you know, they canceled a session that they were, you know, I think the Senate decided not to show up this week. And they're going to go right to the end. Both chambers are not meeting at the same time. So we're not in a good place in local government. I mean, to not have a budget pass by now, this over $4 billion apart, I mean, I don't know. it's not making me feel warm and fuzzy. Here's a local official that I can tell you. I guess that's all I have to say about that. Thanks. Yeah. All right. Okay. Is it on? Okay. Pam Bar, the community liaison for Charlotte County. So we're gonna go ahead and start with the Florida Department Transportation report on the projects. The first one was US 41 at Oling Boulevard. This project is being completed by the subcontractor of TransCore and must be, the mass has been delivered, but the drill shaft installation is still being worked on and is scheduled for mid-June. This project has been completed. I think it's ready to be removed. Another write on red project so that we can actually get traffic moving. Thank you. The next project is 446-340-1. State Route 776 at Flamingo Boulevard. Go ahead. So, we're finalizing 100% design. We're working with the developer who's going to construct the Northern leg of the intersection. We're coordinating our design with that and working to obtain project utility permits. And we're working with FDOT to finalize the lab agreement. Name for the record sir. I'm sorry John, Eli is public work striker. Thank you commissioner. You know and the picture we have shows like one of the more recent satellite photos it's not up but it's the northern side of Flamingo the new Flamingo is completely blown up and they got all the trees down that road looks like it's moving in and We're all anemic on the south side. So we we got to catch up Okay, thank you Next project is 446 393-1 it's state route 776 at Charlotte sports park The design for the turning lanes is to begin soon and the additional funds are being sought for CEI. There's an application that has been submitted for design for 2025 for $142,000 for construction, $960,000, $258, and CEI is being requested at $240,000, $65. Ms. Barr, is that the eastbound adding a turn lane into the park? Or does it also include the westbound adding a second turn lane that will be striped, but used by public safety when we're trying to move all those people? And is it both? I think it's all the turn lanes that we discuss going into the park, going into the fairgroundgrounds and going into the work of 777 just just trying to get it on the record. Thank you. Yes, Mr. Chair if I may If you have a slide with the overlay of the improvements This way the public can see I know we have it somewhere because I've seen it I don't have it on yet Yeah, yeah, when you do the slides next time, so members of the public, we understand it, we've been dealing with it for years, but to just do an overlay showing the improvements this way, there's a good visual of what's coming. That's a good suggestion. If for the next meeting, we could have that as the graphic, that'd be wonderful. Thank you. Yeah, so if you're heading east to west, You make a left turn into the stadium, we're putting double turn lanes in, so there won't be one, there'll be two, so we can get more traffic off the road. There'll be a left turn into the stadium. We're putting double turn lanes in so there won't be one They'll be two so we can get more traffic off the road They'll be a right turn lane into the fairgrounds and they'll be a right turn lane If you're coming from the west going east So if you're heading from Englewood to 40 you know to port Charlotte You'll be able to get off the road and make a right turn lane into the stadium So it's to get more traffic stacked in turn lanes and off the road. Correct. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you. Next we have I-75 with possible new interchange, North of King's Highway. There's been no change on this project. You're still working through white papers between the counties. Mr. Chairman. Yes, sir. Yeah, there'll be some discussion on this with item 12 right? So there's some updates we can give you okay. Thank you, sir Okay, that concludes the F dot led discussion. Oh, no, sorry item F Did you want to handle that? I'm mr. Gator as far as the new interchanges, I'm sorry, the resurfacing. You know what, I'm gonna back up. We haven't done E yet, so this is E and then I wanna talk about F, go ahead. So for this project, we have identified a small section of the, within the limited access. Basically that's the area that is very close to our interchanges along the I-75 corridor that are basically county roads that are in place. Through working with the county, we've identified a section that basically fell through the cracks and the department is now working on getting the areas that have been left out between what the county was resurfacing and what the state has been resurfacing and getting that addressed at Jonesloo. We're also checking the other interchanges that you can see on the slide in front of you for the same issues that are in place. We've got a supplemental agreement that is being worked on right now should be finished. If everything runs smoothly with the supplemental agreement, we should see something happening as early as July. However, depending on what needs to be done on the actual road bed itself, that could be pushed back out a little bit, depending on the equipment and the severity of the repairs that need to be done. Regardless of what we're looking at, we intend to have this finished by the end of this calendar year without a doubt. Okay, well, let's hope it's sooner or later. Yeah, sooner, sooner than later and less intensive repair nurse where they can just basically strip off as the layer and just resurface because it's a it's a rumble strip for a couple hundred yards. It's not a fun place to do. Yeah, a future offer. It's probably able to thank you. And I appreciate, you know, I brought it forward about a month and a half ago and we've had multiple conversations and I appreciate that the rapid response from both our public works and you and the coordination. So thank you very much. All right. So we'll move on to joint local and F dot discussion. Harborview Road. So Harborview Road again, this is the same presentation I'll be providing tomorrow. Phase one is between I believe Melbourne and date and the design is at 90% plans we're expecting in May of 2025 which is this month. We're still doing utility coordination. We're having meetings at a very high level with FDOT monthly. We just had one last week. We're working through the right-of-way acquisition. The acquisition has started and the estimated completion for the acquisition of right-of-way for this phase one is summer of 2026 and it involves federal and local funding. Construction's program for 2026 and federal local funding that'll also be done through a lap agreement. And county is to manage the construction phase. Phase with CEI will be used from an outsource firm. Phase two, I really don't have a lot of information. Design plans may of 2025. Final plans will when ready for construction right Away is to be determined and construction is to be determined Okay, any questions moving on item B US 41 from Kings Highway to Peace River Bridge So this is the project where we're working with FD of the FDOT to finalize the development of the scope and to begin the lap and that's just a study that gets us that portion that's identified there. But it's just to see how it's functioning now that sun seekers there and, that left turn into Melbourne, which is very dangerous. This is the whole reason why I've asked for this thing. That's correct, Commissioner. I'll also mention since you brought it up and we've kind of talked about just the impacts of construction with the heavily congested roadways. FDOT and conversations that we've had previously, we've removed some portions of the landscaping in that to provide, hopefully to provide a better sight line and the delays that you're seeing along 41 to let today, besides some wrecks in Bonagorta, they're actually removing the vegetation between the bridges, which is very involved equipment. To try to also open up sight lines for that bridge. Right. Which we talked about and we appreciate that. Yeah. If you were driving on the bridge today, you didn't appreciate it. I was there and it was definitely a nightmare. Mr. Chair. Yes sir. On this segment, I know the foundations are in for this signalization in front of Sun Seeker, but I haven't seen any other material. We haven't seen it arrive yet either commissioner and that was one of the elements we were hoping might depend on how because when it gets here to your but I haven't seen any other material. We haven't seen it arrive yet either commissioner, and that was one of the elements we were hoping might, depending on how, because when it gets here, to your point, the foundations are there, it shouldn't take long to stand it up, but we were also hoping that that might be part of the study, but we're not sure it will be. Yeah, you don't wanna study the whole area, and then the signals go in and out, a lot of that's moved because you have new data. Mr. Fackery. Robert Fackery, Transportation Engineering. We looked at the minutes of the meetings they have. a lot of that's moved because you have new data. Mr. Fakri. Robert Fakri, Transportation Engineering. We looked at the minutes of the meetings. They have every two weeks that meetings. The next two weeks, they'll be doing some fiber and boring under the roadway and putting in the foundation for the cabinet. And I think they mentioned June 2, first week of June to start the installation. For the mass arms. OK. So that may, to start the installation. For the mass arms. Okay. So that may align perfectly with the study. That was the original intent. Yeah. Thank you, Ms. Chair. Thank you. All right. Item C, Burmont Road. Safety discussion. We don't really have anything new here. This stays on the agenda. We're, you know, we'll look at stuff, but the stuff that we did with the resurfacing and shoulder is the intent of what we've got slated to do right now. Correct. We did the no passing zone. We... stays on the agenda, we'll look at stuff, but the stuff that we did with the resurfacing and shoulder is the intent of what we've got slated to do right now. We did the no passing zone, we lowered the speed limit, we did all those things within the sightline and north of the ranchettes and with improvement. It's just what's the long term plan for Burmont because that's unsafe going to the east. Thank you for reminding me of those other things. It seems like a lifetime ago that we did that, but know, going to the east. Thank you for reminding me of those other things that seems like a lifetime ago that we did that, but I forgot that we had actually done that. So we did that, thank you. You did that. Mr. Chair, now that LK is no longer here, maybe we should try our luck with getting the state to take over Burmott Road and for lane it. How about that? Wayne on the record doing that. Yeah, let's get Wayne. What do you think, Wayne? I think in the prior efforts for looking at this roadway, I was successful in reaching out to our central office folks and letting LK know that this roadway does stay on the radar to being looked at for SIS and potential state road. Okay. Good answer. Category. But what you can fill us in on is east of 31 at the county line when it becomes Glades County, are you finding money for repairing that road or for possibly in the future forlaining in Glades County and there's no road swap. I mean, what's the, you know, there's got to be a plan over there in a more rural economically constrained county where the state's going to step in and then we're looking at that going, well, wait a second, you know, what's the difference? You've got a forlain 29, you've got a forlain 27 and then just kind of keep going. So we have been in contact with Glades County, not only through their elected officials, but their staff as well. They do have a plan in place for state route 74, our county route 74 going to that. I'm sorry, I said 27. I meant 29 and 74, 74, yes. So they are working on addressing basically resurfacing of the roadway that's out there. So county road will do what we can to assist the counties but at the end of the day state facilities. State funding goes towards state facilities and we will work with them as best we can to help them identify other funding categories that could help them out. But from the discussions I've had they've got a financial plan in place To address that. Well, it's good information. Thank you. Okay. Next up, we have Bernstore Road from Lee, Charlotte, County Line to Wallaby Lane. I've got a my note 60% plans are being prepared, and that's ongoing project. And half of Vincent Avenue is now paved. Say that again. And half of Vincent Avenue is now paved. The North, the Northern half is paved. Correct. I love it. We have also just as an aside, we've met with Lee County and they're still working through a development of an MSB or some other funding source and we've met with them as recently as within two weeks just to try to give them any information and any push in the right direction we can do to get that other side salt. MSB or MSTU Commissioner Dirty. MSTU I would recommend not an MSBU, Jim. I'd stand corrected that's what we recommended as well. I got my back. Yeah. Mr. Chair, if I may, I had, thank you. I had a speaking engagement down at Bernstort and Commissioner Heyman was there as well. So I got the teesum because as I pulled in half the road was paved. The other was unpaved. So when I got up to speak, I'm like, I'm the guy with the paved road. other half his hand. So, did you say to him how you had you like our road? Yeah, exactly. I razzed him as much as I could. It was pretty good. But he did mention they were looking at an MSTU. They haven't decided on anything. They just they just seem indecisive about it, but they're still talking about it. They we met with some of their team and they were actively engaging with the Bernstor Marina folks, so there was movement. Yeah, I think where they are is they haven't come up with a way to actually accept the road yet. If you remember at our joint meeting, there are a ton. I don't know if they can get Bernstor Marina to agree to the MSTU, maybe that's an okay precedent because it's got a funding mechanism that's not the county general fund. It's the people that want it. Oh, you want it? Okay, we'll accept it on your behalf so you can get it paid. But I don't know if they could actually collect on a road that they haven't accepted. But I'm saying, they have to accept it first. and then they could create the MSTU. I don't want to speak to that. I would no disregard, no disrespect, genetics. They have to accept it first and then they could create the MSTU. I don't want to speak to that. I would know this regard. No disrespect. Janette's not here. She's the one who usually keeps me out of jail. There are some challenges with that. But again, we were able to fund it previously just by having the MSTU folks put forth funding towards it. I don't know if that's the avenue that they're trying. And again, with not defending their position, we have a lot of those roads and we kind of feel the same way if it's not adding to our transportation network, why would we want to take it over? But this one does seem like it was, we should be able to, we're so close, I think, to solving this one, it seems. I think we all feel it feeds into this amazing new green tea feature that they want to put there and it's how do you not accept the road that's leading into it so Okay Thank you for that update and then we're on to e which is Bernstore Road at Home Depot So we don't have any new update on this this is on a priority list. I think previous mayor Matthews had indicated that you all had set aside some money, but we've not moved forward any and we've got a ton of priority projects with our intersections. So that's kind of where it sits for us. Then we have US 41 at Riavilla and Bainard, that whole discussion about how stuff's backing up onto Bnard and it's not going to a key, it's going to a key of style which you can't really accept it. So where are we at with that? I really don't have anything new to report from the county side of it. So from Mr. Chair, Mr. Wink-Ether, F.Dott and my through. We're going to go through. We're going to go through. We're going to go through. We're going to go through. We're going to go through. We're going to go through. We're going to go through. We're going to go through. We're going to go through. We're going to go through. We're going to go through. between 2018 through 2025 is we have not seen a huge impact as far as change goes at Aquiesta, Aquiesta interchange at this location. We're still seeing a lot of activity, similar activities that are taking place between the two years that we took a look at. What that tells us is that we haven't seen then a huge shift in the travel patterns that take place. We're seeing a continuation of the existing travel patterns. We've seen some of the some of the turning movements increase, some of decreased actually between the two comparisons. But what we're looking at primarily is just what we'd anticipate is the normal growth that has taken place between a seven-year window. Right, well, and again to recap, it's that you know, re-avilla was you used to be able to make a left onto 41 now you can't. You've got to make a right go down and go to the shoulder, the median shoulder, and then do a U-turn to go north. I really would like to understand how much, how many folks have finally given up and said, okay, I'm going to do that because. It looks like that's becoming, oh, Chair, if I can, if I may please. It looks like that's becoming a more prevalent travel pattern or coming back again into the travel pattern that most the folks are using. The purpose behind putting in the directional from what was formally a fully opened media into a directional opening along we left in and left out was to reduce the number of conflict points and thus make that intersection or that travel pattern movement through the area a lot safer than it was before. We've restricted the number of contact points, potential contact points in that area and thus reduce the number and severity of the types of accidents that occur or crashes that could occur at that location. Any other comments? Yeah, I'd want comments for the new council woman, Polk. So, Behner Road is kind of like a doughnut in the city. You've annexed all the properties all around Boehner, but have not taken Boehner. So, I would probably ask you if the city would like, it probably makes sense to just take Boehner since you've got everything else. And then you can control what goes on there. I just thought I'd throw that out. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair. Yeah, I mean, I'd have to ask everybody else, but I know that we have some of the area off of Baynard closer to Amanda. I think Gussie is part of our, so it cuts off somewhere in Charlotte Park. And then're right. It comes down and we have an annex that for whatever reason, but good point. Thank you. Mr. Chair. Yes, sir. We have several jobs down in Rio of Villa. We've never taken a right on Tammy and I mean, came right back around. My crew, our customers, everyone takes a left on Bainard and goes up to Keyestop. And furthermore, Bainard, when it's raining, is a nightmare. It's a mess, potholes, and usually underwater when it's severe. So I'm not seeing personally the pattern of people taking the other direction. And we do it every day, and we've never gone that direction. It's much faster, more safe to make the left-unbanner and the right-on of Kia Stau. Mr. Chair. So we'll pull together the analysis that was done that we basically gathered the traffic pattern. For what was happening, adds a Kia Stahl from 2018 through 2025. That was before the Rio Villa directionalization and then afterwards. And we'll be submitting that to the board through LACS if that's okay. And then we can have that is Commissioner, I'll reach back out to you afterwards. And we can have a discussion on that. If that's okay. Absolutely. All right. I think that concludes our F.I.M.s. If there's no other questions. Just 776 until the late. We're working with the developer to keep moving on this project. That's really the only update we have. Oh correct, yeah. That's the one you always thought about. I know. Well that's the other side of it is getting the traffic out of there. So yeah. If we could get some, at least preliminary schematics of what that overlay looks like, we've got to have something at this point, right? Just to give us a general idea of what they're thinking so we can see it as it's developing. We'll get that to you. Great. All right, so that concludes after now, we will move to the item 11, which is the final 2025 draft project priorities discussion. Mr. Chair if I may be added one discussion item from the city of Pantigoda sir by Councilman. Oh I'm sorry. For the for the F that report. Oh yeah cross-locks in 88 projects so go ahead. You want to go? Yes. Well, Mr. Chair for May, this has been at our one-on-one discussion with the city of Pondigot Councilwoman Paul. We we wanted to make sure that the crosswalks and 80 projects are added on FDOT roadways, which is on year 17 and year 41. We do not have any updates at this point, but we'll reach out to the FDOD Swear Director for any updates on this. It has been notified on this project as well. Okay, Mr. Chair, if I may. I'd be more than happy to schedule a little bit of time with your staff and our safety staff to at least initiate the conversations of what the city's looking for in the area. then start to look at options of what we can do and how we can try to turn those into projects. And I'd like to say, if you don't mind, Chair, that there's not a whole lot of ADA parking spaces in downtown Plano Gorda and I think that's one of the biggest problems we cater to 65 and over crowd and a lot of them say hey I can't even go downtown to spend money because there's really no place for me to park that's safe and to get out of my car so I do notice as I'm driving down Marion sometimes right there in front of what I call restaurant row people actually stop as you're trying to get 41, they actually stop and they let their people out that can, you know, have a difficult time walking. And I think that some of that area needs to just be looked at. Crosswalks too, we're a walkable city and the crosswalks have over time over through the floods and everything else have just kind of worn away. So that was another concern of mine as far as safety's concerned. So just some things that I think we need to look at in the city. Thank you. Thank you. It sounds a good idea. And so as that, as that blossoms, could we see like a site map of the locations and things as you, as you start to determine with F dot, like what, what's workable, what makes sense? Just so I think we all want to know how that's I'm going to go forward. Great. Thank you for bringing that up. All right. So move on to 11, item 11, which is the final 2025 draft project priorities. Yes, Mr. Chair. Chapter 339175, Florida Statues Required MPOs and TPO, TPO's annual submit. Alist list of project priorities to FDOT every one year. This project that we received from, for this year includes the projects from CDF Pantagoda. I'm sorry, from Charlotte County. We haven't received any projects from CDF Pantagoda this time, but we hope to see the projects in the project priorities list. The draft project priorities includes the projects that are in our FDOD draft training work program cycle snapshot that we received on April. I'll show it on the next slide, but we go through into those details. This is our way of transmitting local priorities to FDOT. So the projects are organized into categories. Number one is hybrid project priorities. As we know Harper View Road project is number one priority for this MPF board. So this project as we heard from Mr. John Elias, the project has been divided into two segments. Harperview wrote from Melbourne to Dates Street. This project has been funded through construction. I read a way still under progress. The total cost for this project is $48 million. The cost has increased, like $2 million from last year, which is shown in your attachment one of your documents. As we see, some of the projects are highlighted with the star indicates the regional projects that we share with our counterparts with the Lee and Social Humanity MPO. The last project, number five is our Long Range Transportation Plan. This is to do our Long Range Transportation Plan, the 2050 Long Range Transportation Plan. We are looking for SL dollars to subsidize the planning dollars for performing the task which is a federal requirement. So the next segment is the Transportation System Management and Conjition Management Projects. Number one is a Flaming boulevard intersection improvements. This project has been funded through construction. And eventually this project will be coming on from the list. Number 40, the pink color is emergency preemption devices. This is the project that we heard at our last MPO board meeting on March 31st to install preemption devices and traffic signals. The total cost is $1.27 million for that project. This one is 2020 five transportation alternative projects which are our sidewalk projects and bike lane projects. as we heard from the last meeting at March 21st, number one and number two project which our Taylor Road project has been billeted from this list. The projects that are highlighted in green are the city projects that have been identified on this list. Number 10 project is use what everyone want southbound at Harbor Walk project. This is an ADA ramp connection FDOD staff and the city staff are still under discussion What if for the very important project for the city? Yes, sir, let's back up the first two items for Taylor Road have been deleted. Yes, sir. So the reason is even though the project has been funded through Design the construction dollars has been removed because of the deep swells on the east side of a use Taylor Road project This project will be considered at a later time when Charlotte County staff identifies a need to widen the tailor road to four lanes. At that time, they would consider sidewalks and multi-use sections, portions of the roadway improvements. Right. But I mean, you know, the fact that it's being considered, I'm assuming, cost prohibitive doesn't take away the need. I mean, this is a very unsafe road, just because it's expensive to build in the drainage and cover that over and make it four lanes and a path and all that other stuff, doesn't mean that it's not, you know, essential. People drive bicycles, walk that road and they're going from the airport road and toward the city toward 41. They're going from that location down Taylor to go work at Walmart and all of the, you know, that whole hub in Jones Loop. And it's been unsafe for over a decade. And it's not getting any safer because now it's RV condo row and you know that whole area has just exploded with folks that are moving boats and trailers and You know, it's it's not getting better So I I need a better solution than the first two lines have been deleted and we just kind of move on So mr. Lies different comments different comments? For the record, Generalized Public Works Director, so I don't wanna speak for FDOT because I think this was originally slated to be an FDOT funded or joint project where they were gonna do the trails. Yeah. And I don't wanna speak to how it's got eliminated, but I can tell you that we're bringing forward some information this week about Taylor Road how it's going to be exceeding concurrency probably in 2029 or sooner. So we're talking about doing for landing of that. And I think we even mentioned it the other day at one of the means. Collective. I think you said you wanted to face it. I just didn't want to have this be, you know, just let's talk about it. It's knocked off. And then all of a sudden at our transportation meeting Well, there it is again, so I mean it may be and I think you've explained it that there was gonna be some F-dot funding for the trails or the sidewalks But why wouldn't we if we now are identifying it as something that is Gonna be needed within the next five year window with the county Why wouldn't we still be looking at trying to leverage some funding? All-Mall Ford leveraging funding. That's Wayne. I'm all for that, for sure. But I think the premise was just to do a standalone sidewalk slash trail project due to the stormwater considerations there, it was going to be extraordinarily expensive and then we'd be coming in right after to possibly put four lanes in, so I think that was the premise. Okay. So is it safe to say that while it's deleted, there's like an asterisk or a pin in this, which it's gonna come back very rapidly within the next six to nine months or a year at most, when we discuss how we're gonna be putting it in, and then we'll refile with F dot to get them on board with a different a different aspect to it. I think we're present it tomorrow. I get that but I mean that's even if we decide to move on it it's not going to happen for a few years so you know may not be this cycle but the next cycle yes come on. Yeah I think it's really just moving it from this list to another list you know is it appropriate to keep it on this list because it's really not feasible as a stand-alone sidewalk Project and that's why it's here. So let's get it on the correct list Which would be the future expansion of Taylor Road because I agree I'm not gonna spend tax dollars and resources On something that's temporary. It's gonna have to rip it up anyway. We hear about that all the time And why'd you put that sidewalk in to rip it up five years? I don't want to be that guy. So that's a big sense. We're planning, right? That's our same. something that's temperate is going to have to rip up anyway. We hear about that all the time. Why'd you put that sidewalk in to rip it up five years? I don't want to be that guy. So they sense we're planning, right? That's our same thing where anytime we're putting in a road, if the pipes underneath need to go in or are really old and have to be changed out, we make sure that gets done first. We've done it countless times because we're tired of having lived in the northeast and seen how roads get beautiful. And then they tear them all up to do some of the projects. Don't you guys talk to each other? We talk to each other. because we're tired of having lived in the Northeast and seeing how roads get beautiful. And then they tear them all up to do some of the projects. Don't you guys talk to each other? We talk to each other. So it works that way. So we don't want to do a closed system and then that's very expensive with the piping and then again it's on a different list now. And I'm not even sure it was going to be a closed system. It was probably going to be gravity walls and open systems which again are... Or maybe a hybrids solution. Yeah, we're a combination of things. Which we've done that before too. Anyway, thank you. Thank you If we make clarify on that when I say deleted the projects might be deleted on the list But still be on our radar for a future consideration. Okay, I appreciate that. I just wanted I just wanted to talk about it Thank. The next slide you see the comprehensive safety action plan projects. This will be part of our project priorities. As we recall, the MP Board did adapt our comprehensive safety action plan at the December meeting. So this project will be another project priority list. The last one is the FDOT freight projects. They said the number one project which is on US 17, that's only project in Charlotte County, which is on US 17 from COPLIT to Canada 74. This project has been submitted through MPO AC for freight dollars, and that is the only freight project that we have identified in the county. On the next slide, just a little bit highlights of what we see in our, the draft 2025 project priorities. We did receive eight projects from the county. Those are listed on your screen. And number nine is at the MPO project for the Long Range Transportation Plan. On the right side, you see the projects that are funded through construction. Those projects have been identified in your attachment too. The Charlotte Sports Park project, we have seen a two different location. The reason why is County is looking for construction, engineering and inspection funds for that project. That's why it has been shown on two different lists here. The charge shows the projects that are funded in the 2025 draft project priorities for that year and they've been identified by mode, which you see on your screen. The next list is our joint trip projects with our Social Security MPO. This has been the final list and the MPO, they have presented this list at the MPO board meeting this morning. So the next project list is our, yes sir. Okay, so how much of this list gets funded? And do we flip next year and go from number three to number one? I believe it's a formula based. I believe Sir Sir Amanda MPO, the amount of trip rather they received a constipation low than what we have received so far. So there is an equity share between the three MPOs, Sarasuramanity and Charlotte. Sarasuramanity and PO is still unfunded for $3. So the reason I'm bringing it up is, in the perfect, amazing world, they have plenty of money and they say, yep, there you go, and they knock it off the list. And then the next year we go back to the top and we get funded then it flips back. For so many years there's been very little funding. But at some point we have to flip up and take our- So do we do that every other year or do we wait for a certain amount of funding to occur before we take the top priority? Because we're sharing that regionalization, right? I believe that agreement that we had before was on equity share basis, if certain amenities receives more money than us, then we can pump our project up. That has been our discussion between the joint. So just for fun, can you create for me the last 10 years of funding so I can see what happened in 2015, 2016, 2017, I want the list and I want to see what the funding looked like for each of those years. Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate that. So the next list is our joint project priorities with our LEMPO. The number one project is the Bonser Road between the Lee County and the Charlotte County MPO Boat, sir. With that, that's all I have, unless the board has any questions for me. Any questions for staff? If not, I will take a motion to approve the final 2025 project priorities. Highway tap, CMTMS, and trip for the upcoming FDOT draft tentative work program cycle FY 2027 to FY 2031. So moved. Second. Second. Any further discussion? Hearing none, is there any opposition? Hearing none, that passes unanimously. All right. We are up to item number 12, the 2050 Long Range Transportation Plan, LRTP, Needs Assessment Update. Good afternoon, Mr. Chair. Again, today our consultant, Mr. William Rol will be presenting our final 2050 long range needs assessment. These needs were identified, today were developed based upon previous LRTP updates, including those from 2035, 2040 and 2045 long range transportation plan. There are a couple of reasons for this approach. First it allows us to document the public input and build upon the needs that were identified during our previous LRTP updates. Secondly, we rely on historic data rather reinventing the wheel every five years as we know any roadway improvements would take 15 to 20 years and the growing capacity needs do not change very often. So with that, I will handle over to Mr. William Roll to continue with this presentation. Thank you very much, William Roll consultant project manager. I'm going to be more of a guest off our like-well office than what we've been presenting before again today. We are going to discuss some of the other issues that we're out of time Where do you find it? See how I'm colorblind? So, you know. All right. My name is William Roll. I'm a consultant project manager for the 2050 Long Range Transportation Plan with Kim Lee Horan on based Alvarer Lakeland Office. And Mr. Rool, before you get started, I'm just really curious. I mean, you've been before us And a lot of what I've seen here, like some of these fairy ideas and different alternative projects that have been presented before. Obviously you heard the comments from the public in the beginning about this 17 to Jones Loop connection while on paper from space maybe it's a logical rooting. But logistically, I think as you discuss that, I'd like you to take into account the feelings of the comments and the folks that live in this area. And also maybe talk about the practicality of it because it's one thing when it's an accepted roadway with right of way and it's just a question of, well, when the money shows up, we can do this. We don't have any easements, we don't have any rights of way. That is all private property that that's a nice colored line on a map, but that's about all of it. I think when I get to that point, let me kind of pivot the discussion. Yeah, and I know that this is a 25 year window we're're looking at, but it's giving it's giving the community angst So I'd love to hear you totally totally totally understand that. Thank you very much So all right, thank you very much So we're going to talk a little bit about the schedule the consensus building workshops that we had and also the major focus of days and needs plan needs plan. So we had a consensus building workshop on April 7th. We had about 34 mostly stakeholder public agency folks and attendance of this compared to the public workshops that were led by the MPO staff. This meeting lasted for about four and a half hours. We had a script, we had a lot of the information that you're going to see the day, but it was earlier draft form. And we talked about growth and economic development, the roadway needs, and we talked about also some multi-modal aspects. This is definitely one of those roll up your sleeves type of workshops not here look at this You like it go home. Okay. Thank you. We appreciate you approving it. So really really dug in deep on this I'm sorry. I'm having a few issues here with the So some of the of the, I am not touching it and it is moving. So hold on a minute ago. Are you using a mouse or just- The keyboard's not working. The keyboard is not working, that's my problem. Okay. So, yeah, would you please, okay, or even if you want me to- All right, so you can go ahead and advance to the next slide. So what I'd like to do is move on to the roadway network needs. Now this maps kind of the big picture comprehensive. I don't know if this is all. Can somebody cue the presentation back up please? Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Back up just a little bit, because somehow we've skipped some stuff. Here. Go back. Please. Talk about project schedule. So we started in the fall of 2025. where we are right now is trying to lock down the needs assessment or the needs plan. So you started in the fall of 2024. 24, yes. We haven't come to the fall of 2021. Yes, you're right. You're right. And so we're wrapping up the needs plan at this point. And we're going to start the process of project prioritization in the next couple of weeks. So we don't have a prioritized list in terms of the LRTP at this point. The important aspect I would highlight is we get into the concept of physical constraint. Well, can we actually afford the construct over the timeframe through 2050? And with that, then we will come back and present to you the cost of usable plants. So where is that report might have a lot of things shown up in it. It might be an edge of that. The most important part is about 12 pages of maps and tables to show what we can actually afford. Lacks commented when he was introducing the long range plan was the fact that there's a lot of continuity when we go from one plan to another and I'm going to highlight some aspects of that as we go on. Next slide. I'm going to skip that one. Okay, so that gets us to the roadway capacity needs and make this a little bit easier to be able to go ahead and advance to the next slide and we'll zoom in to part of the county. So the major improvements that we've got identified here is six Laning of all St. Road 776, St. Caster Drive, Fruitland Ab, and then Gasparilla Road going down to Rotunda. Removed based on the feedback that we've received from the workshops, and also from County staff, is the Gulf Stream extension that's been removed from the and' Assessment. And then also, gasp rule of road south of Rotunda Boulevard. The widening of that has been removed. And that's because when we look at the model forecast in terms of volumes, we're just not seeing the justification for widening that portion. One of the things that happens sometimes when folks are doing long-range planning, they're going to see one volume on one road and that road's 20 miles road and well we must have to widen the entire thing but I can tell you the level of volumes that we're seeing in terms of the forecast could be addressed with intersection improvements and other operational improvements. And that's very important because we don't have a lot of money. You know, earlier there is a discussion of parper view. We can't figure out how we're gonna fit. And when we're gonna phase the next phase, so, you know, adding some things and suggesting that it's gonna be cost feasible is a little bit challenging. Next slide. So before you move on, I mean, I know we're looking at this based upon just the county. But our urban service area includes an extension of King's Highway into DeSoto. We share urban service area when West County, between Englewood, in fact, I think part of what we're mapped at here is actually part of you know when you look at the maps it's actually Manasota or Sir sort of Manatee's jurisdiction in essence because of where they they put it. So they connect to the rest of the world? Right, yes sir. It would be very helpful and again I don't know if this is part of what you do, but you know, when Winchester hits the border there, I mean, you know, we've paid to have that road go into Sarasota and County and then hook up with River Road and that's our West County evacuation route. And we're excited that river roads getting done. It's gonna take still forever. I think beginning of 27 before that, parts done between the highway and 41. We know that that MPO to the North is really trying to work that, but these are important pieces that should still be in our plan. We're not gonna spend a dime up there. We already spent 13 million, which back in 98 now equates to about I don't know 40 million. I mean it's a huge amount of money that we put into their area because we felt it was so important to be able to get our people out back then. So I still think we need to have maps that it's a different color. It's obvious that we don't have direct jurisdiction. But it is part of, to the south I get it. There's not much, but those northern entities, I think really it's important for us to see for the safety of our folks, how, or get a piece out of their LRTP and add it in so we can see what that looks like. Actually, I think that's what would be most appropriate. It would be first, the kind of raise the covers a little bit and be cover the boundary and show what's going on there. I wouldn't want to add it to this map because then we're going to get into a table and have them to track whether or not it's cost feasible and other aspects of it. But if you can totally agree on that. and their map and give us a show us what that looks like. So we have an idea of what they're thinking or not thinking because then we have to have some conversations with them. Absolutely. Thank you. That's a great comment. Commissioner, say. Yeah, for landing a gas frill of road, being removed, it was before my time, I thought it was warranted at one time. And there was an outcry from the public. They wanted to just keep it too lane. Am I getting that wrong? I see John coming up here. I thought it was warranted at one time and I'm thinking about evacuation routes and the area that's not yet built out that will be built out at some point. My recollection was there was a project slated. We were moving forward and the board discussed and I don't think it was a concurrency issue so we moved it up to the other area that's widened currently. That's my recollection of it. We took the money that was sales tax and we moved it over to the area in front of the South Gulf Gulf Gulf. Gasparilla from Placida to Gasparilla because one of the four lane pass marathon all the way down to Rotunda East, I think is what it wound up being. Because I thought it was yeah, Placita road that people didn't want that four lane. Right, and at the time that it was warranted though. Well, but at that time you're talking about late late 90s, like the last boom before the bust. So it was like in the 2000s. So all of a sudden there's gonna be a lot of building down there. And then it didn't happen. And then 2008 happened and the economic downturn and it was still gonna be built. And everybody was, they were really upset about it because they didn't want to destroy their paradise. So the board listened and killed the project and moved it over to... Well here's my point, right? So we've been through two surge back-to-back surge events. We have not only evacuated red, we went orange, yellow. I mean we went right up to green and I looking at the density out here. And I'm looking at how important it's for leaning. Do we just want to completely take it off the list? You know, to your point, do you want to just keep it there? But it's been, you know, the widening's been removed. I'm looking at all the vacant lots. I pulled it up on GIS here. I forgot what community that is off of Robin Road, but South of South Gulf Cove. And there's hundreds of platted lots here that have yet to be built on. So I would put this forward. I would have, I would task Mr. Elias and Sean Cullen in with looking at what are the possible units going in? I got to tell you this, I'm not interested in increasing density any place. So if density's not gonna get increased, then maybe the roads don't need to be. Yeah, no, these are already, these are platted a lot, they by 125s. I mean, I pulled it. This isn't where somebody's gonna come in and ask for a plan development. These are lots that are, I believe they have sewer and water there. I'm not sure. I think some of the Plessita project got cancelled recently as far as sewer. Well, it's all the roads are in here. I can't remember the name of this subdivision. You're talking about meadows and villas? Yeah. Yeah. That's it. That's what's your question? No, they're all platted. Yeah, they are. Yeah, so I mean, somebody can pull a permit tomorrow. For sure. Yeah, there is no proof like they should. So I mean, again, I think we need to find out from Sean, if that whole side of the peninsula is built out, how many houses is that? Then Mr. Fakery, Mr. Lysk, get involved to tell us what kind of road usage would we see, and then what's appropriate for is two lanes enough to single lane it or to unidirectional get them out or is for landing appropriate but if we have a and then what's appropriate for is two lanes enough to single lane it or to uni direction to get them out or is four-laning appropriate but but if we had a four if we're four-laning because we're gonna be allowing a whole bunch of condo complexes that's not happening. No no no this is already I'm looking at it right now this isn't for anything new it's right up to the airport you can kind of see it on that map you know so maybe we we put but gasp will erode widening up to those platted lots, maybe another whatever that distance is and you stop there. It may be it's not the whole thing, but you capture all of those future lots. I don't know. Just thinking out loud based on what we've been through. It's kind of the conversation. So the volume forecast that we're looking at is a projection to the year 2050. So that's the time frame that we're forecasting traffic. And you can kind of see where a return to the connects we're showing a little bit of a forelane through there, because that's where the volumes start to pick up enough to go and justify a widening at that location. But further this south that doesn't. Just picture if you will, all the other areas in the county where we got a two lane road, we don't have a four lane road. And there's a whole lot more intensity than this does. And somebody's driving from someplace else through this area as well. There's nobody driving from the south up. And so I would say we'll certainly go back and double check the numbers. I agree with county staff looking at that and coming back that it's comfortable. But everything that we're seeing from the forecasting would be indicative of that. When it comes to hurricane evacuation, I'm extremely sensitive of that. But forlaining this just means that get to the intersection up north and they sit in the queue longer. It's not really going to, you know, we're going to make improvements for capacity. And these would be 776 and it needs to be getting it across 41. There are other locations where the bottlenecks and the constraints exist in terms of hurricane evaluation. Yeah. Winchester to River Road. Yeah. Hang. Before I relinquish the floor, one final question. Did you use our Metro forecasting numbers? We had reviewed those, and we also have forecast numbers as well. Okay, because that's very granular, and it shows you where the growth is going. So I think that would be really important tool. I think we, our board said we wanted every six months. So we have the most up-to-date data. I think that should be used in all of these planning tools, that metro forecasting, because it's really good stuff. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you. Mr. Dordy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yeah, Hurricane Evacuation, based on my memory, I can remember very vividly the election of 2012 and the West County uproar over widening 775 and for hurricane evacuation. The problem was, River Road wasn't ready. So why take everybody that way? So the concentration went to 771 to try to widen, if we did need to widen for the peninsula over there, it would be that road, 771 for hurricane evacuation. I agree with the concept of looking at the numbers, let's see, but I think that really still is the right way to go. It's going to take a long time to get river road completed and where we may be able to get, you know, people up to other ways of getting out, especially if we get flamingo and edgewater going out to Harborview, we get a couple of people out, but River Road is going to take quite a while. So 775 I think stays on the back burner for a number of years. 771 does become probably the prime of hurricane evacuation run for KP. Thank you, sir. Thank you. All right, Mr. Roll. All right. Let's give you you advance the slide, please. So in the central county area, whining on veterans, we're still showing that Yorkshire connection to the north, pending a potential interchange connection at Yorkshire, all-rantry. When talking about interchange, it's towards the end on this slide. Premville Drive, whining of Toledo Blade, the whole Flamingo Edgewater Drive portion, whining of Loveland, operational improvements on Peachteland Boulevard, whiting on rampart, and then also the harbor view, a drive. The bridge, so this is one of those recent discussions from your previous meeting. So we've elevated the widening of the 41 bridges over the waterway there. And then the last project would be the Olympia Avenue, Marion Avenue just taking a look at the lane repurposing at that location. Now I wanted to clarify, I think somebody earlier said something about it being a widening project. There's not a whining project contemplated. There's been a desire at times for actually reducing the number of lanes and repurposing them from other use. I can tell you that probably the greatest opportunity there would be for on Olympia. When you're right there, the northbound 41, it's three lanes there. There's two lanes feeding it. There's one right turn lane. You're never going to have three lanes of traffic there. All it's doing is giving people a huge amount of space to behave inappropriately. And that's a location where it could be very appropriate to reduce the number of lanes. Because it's not going to have any change in capacity if those lanes are reduced. The last thing I like to highlight, and I know there's been a lot of the discussion, is we've been evaluating and taking a look at some of the different alternatives. Obviously one of the areas is a major concern is the King's Highway Interchange at 75, and how that works with the way veterans connect scent. We're forecasting, as I believe, about a 60% increase in population over the horizon of the plan. So that means it's going to get 60% worse than it is today, if a lot of folks are using that particular location. One of the challenges in terms of the concept that's in place right now is it's predicated on Sarasota Manatee prioritizing Growth and development and infrastructure investment there along the range for Yorkshire Corridor and you can pull up an aerial. It's not very impressive But if you look here in Charlotte County and you look you look at veterans, and you're going to see all the growth in development, and I can pull the traffic counts, and the traffic counts are pretty impressive on veterans. And I think we all know this. A lot of people come down veterans. They go and they make a left, and they're trying to get on to the interstate. So what we have been testing with the department's travel to man forecasting software is what would it mean if there was a modification of the interchange so that you could actually get access to the interstate both up at Veterans and at King's Highway. Now the problem historically in the past and still to this day is effective, violates any standard in terms of interchange spacing. When we start putting the interchanges that close together the main line in the interstate totally falls apart and we lose a huge amount of capacity. An alternative is to build what's called a collector distributor system and it's very similar concept that actually was shown on some of the technical work up at Rayntree and Nourkshar. But basically what it would involve is if you were heading north on 75 and you wanted to get off at either veterans or at King's Highway, you would exit a ramp. And when he came to King's Highway, you would have an exit ramp off of that ramp. If you wanted to get off at veterans, you would exit a ramp and when he came to King's Highway you would have an exit ramp off of that ramp if you wanted to get off at veterans you would continue across the bridge and you would have an exit up at veterans and the same thing would happen down to the south and so what that does is it takes all that turbulence that is created in the traffic because you have two interchanges so close together and it totally removes it, totally pulls it off on separate set of roadways. It's a concept that would appear to be feasible from a traffic operation standpoint. It would involve physically severing veterans. Veterans would no longer go all the way from the county line down the Kings Highway. instead you would get on this collector distributor system. So what it would do is significantly simplify the traffic operations in the area. This is not a cheap alternative. I will say the York Shower Rantry alternative is probably a more cost effective solution but you don't have any control over that one. And so our recommendation in the long range plan in terms of the needs assessment is to show, there needs to be an additional northern interchange. It could be one of two locations. And then from the cost feasible standpoint would be to request that the department, do a review, do something that's almost to the level of an alternative's analysis, just look at what the potential pros and cons. If the cost comes in much higher, which I'm concerned that it would, then that maybe gets into the situation where you mentioned before about making investments up for Winchester and making a connection. It may be that there would be some kind of, you know, this county and the county and the IPO up to the north in terms of affecting it. But this is a concept that we're kind of putting forth again. It does seem to have merit and it is something that I feel like you all could advocate for and have some control over. I'm going to stop here in case anybody wants to ask questions. Oh, thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank to say. Thank Mr. Chair. I got in the queue. I know you did. I saw you push the button. Yeah you do. I got dirty over here and then yeah. Oh, they got my his name. I'm sitting in your seat. So I would like to see what those movements look like. What's being proposed. You mentioned if you're on the interstate and you want to get off, you can get off at King's Highway or you can choose to get off of Veterans. If you're on Veterans, can you get on the interstate directly from there? You would, so if you're on Veterans, let's see, you want to go south. You would get on a ramp, you would get on this extra road that would be paralleling it, that would actually have a bridge going over King's Highway. You would have an off ramp, the King's Highway, and you'd have an on ramp going onto that collector distributor road, and then join back up. If you're familiar with like a leak coat, the area is like a road down in Lee County. That's the same thing. Now that being said, sometimes we're a little bit more constrained right away. Why? Sometimes they're tucked. If you're familiar with like a leaco, the area is like a road down in Lee County. Yeah, that's the same, it's the same thing. Now, that being said, you know, sometimes we're a little bit more constrained right away. Why? Sometimes they're tucked really closely. If you wanted to see examples of that, you could look at interstate four right where US 301 and US 92 splits off or state road 39 up in plant city where, you know, literally there's an emergency lane. There's a Jersey barrier wall and then there's the additional lanes that are next to it. So there's a lot of different ways that it could be designed, but it would provide potentially full access to ultimately get on to the interstate, on an interstate style facility and ramp, both at King's Highway and down the veterans. So I would say this, I mean, what's going on there is untenable. I mean something has got to be done. I'd like to see what the movements look like. You know I understand I'm thinking in my mind I can kind of envision what it's going to be like. But you know I really like to see what it looks like on paper, all those different movements because I cannot see that particular intersection going on like we're going on. We need something and if we're going to be strapped because of what's going on in another county, we have to look at the money and the timing and say is it worth the cost benefit analysis, right? Because that's just what that needs. Because so many people are on veterans. They just want to get on the interstate, but they got to go to that corner. Then you have all the local traffic, you know, getting on King's Highway. It's a complete mess and we know that. So I mean, I'm looking at everything and anything right now. So I just want to see that on paper. Sure, if I got to respond, I think what would be good for us to do was just kind of a lustratively show what that would generally look like. I would hesitate to say I putting any volume numbers or anything to it. This is something that requires a significant amount of analysis and get it down to an operational level. I also comment that one of the things for a project for this nature of having a path forward, it needs to demonstrate a regional need. That's a whole other level of analysis. The other thing is typically interchange improvements happen one of two major ways. Traffic's backing up on the interstate, and it's causing a problem on the interstate. That's one way. And the second way is when the department does a major reconstruction and widening of the corridor and they go and they do their forecasting out in the future. So I will say this, like this concept and even your child's range, they might all be good concepts, but you're still probably a ways out from anything happening just because of the magnitude of the projects and the way the timing and sequencing would likely have. Hey, but you got to start somewhere. You got it. And that's where I'm at. We got to put something in place for the, you know, for the future boards to say, okay, these guys did the work. They put it in place. It's in a program somewhere. Now we can execute. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Well, you push the button too quick. I was going to try to actually set the framework since the last meeting I got with the County Administrator. Any contact? Well, you push the button too quick. You know, I was going to try to actually set the framework. Since the last meeting, I got with the County Administrator, and he contacted the City Manager, City Northport Manager, and they talked about the interchange, Rayn Tree, Yorkshire, whatever. And they're working on it. They have the white paper, they've had the checklist, they're going through it. But it's extremely slow. It's way out of the horizon. I mean, I think with the Sarasota Manitio MPO, it's certainly not a high priority project. I would- I could think of 40 projects that are way more important than this that are of the same magnitude. For Sarasota Manitio. Up in Sarasota Manitio, yes. So basically, after hearing a lot of that, I began conversations with Mr. Flores and Lacks concerning Mr and Mr. Rol concerning what about the possibility of redoing the interchange at King's Highway, where we can control it and so forth. So conceptually, this collective distribution system came about. I had the opportunity to look at some aerials, Mr. Rolsch showed me that we team's meeting and the lax myself in him last week. And it's something I think we really need to look at conceptually. I agree with him, the cost will be much higher than a brand new interchange up there at Yorkshire and Ranger. But it is again in Charlotte County. So we have the opportunity to have more control over the placement in the LRTP, all those types of things. So I think we still should support Sarasota Manitee on their efforts for a ranger in Yorkshire. I mean, it's a long term. I think we should still partner, be with them, help them out, but it's way off in the future, in my opinion, where I think this could be a long term deal too, it kings high with. But I think it has the possibility, when, again, when you talk about Aliko at 75, and some of the interchanges up on I-4 as a result of Disney and stuff, I saw some stuff that were really amazing. This does work, the concept does work, but it's not cheap. But I think I would recommend, though, that we give direction to our staff to actually get going and get with DOT to look at a study to evaluate this. And come back with some very basic information, as you were saying, commission to, even concept William, if it's possible to take very conceptually and show some of the basic ramping and bridging the construction. This segment of WDCU's untold stories is centered written by Collier County Government County Commission District School Board of Collier County, City of Naples, City Council, and the Collier County Museum. I'm working with DOTA, a study on this to see if it's feasible. That's my recommendation, sir. Well, I mean, it's part of the federal highway system, so it's not going to be completely born on us, but I mean, putting in those huge bridge structures over King's highway is going to be incredibly expensive. And I can't imagine that the county's going to have to shoulder that. I mean, Mr. Chair, Wayne Gay, the Department of Transportation, I think what you've got as a good partner and opportunity to do a study to take a look at what could be done in the area. Obviously, the interstate system is not intended to be moving local traffic through local areas. It's intended to be moving traffic intercounty, large, long distances, things of that nature. But we also understand that, you know, the interconnectivity that occurs, it happens. An example was made of a legal road that did connect in a major generator, which was the airport and also with one of our major intersections, which was Daniels at I-75 and another growing area which was a Lico at I-75. So I do believe there's some ideas that could fit in with what you have happening over here. There's a lot of growth. It could take place in this area that is taking place in this area. But the only caveat I would add is I agree it's not going to happen fast and it is going to have to happen with a lot of discussion. Anything that impacts the interstate, obviously impacts the federal government and will be needing to work with the federal highway administration on anything that does happen in the future. Thank you. Cushion, Dougherty. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yeah, I just wanted to add, I'm looking at it as a concept and a possible option that we really would be remiss if we don't at least look at it conceptually. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Chair. Yes. Mr. Chair, sorry. To just add, the discussion, this is the preliminary needs. So the next time when we see something like we kind of want and this board to make sure that at least this project will be considered for a feasibility study. As we all know, any project that leads to the change on a 75, it takes considerable amount of time. So the first step is to have that the initial step to consider for a feasibility study to see if it is even feasible to have the interchange connection. If I could just come at based on what I'm hearing from the board today, we'll follow up directly with the department staff and get the right characterization in terms of the type of study. They have lot of different names for alternative evaluations and identify those but it would be our attempt to show a study of that nature fairly early on within the cost feasible plan so that some progress could be made. Yes, Chair. Would it be possible to have that come back for the August meeting? I think we could define what that would look like by then. Yes. That would be my desire. Lex can't advance the next slide. So proceed. All right, so now we're kind of in the South County area. We got improvements on 31. Burma being four lane and that is solely for the most part from a safety standpoint, not from a capacity need standpoint. We've got the improvements at Airport Road, Burt Store Road extension, the six lane of Burt Store Road, adding in the East West That was based on the consensus building workshop that we had. We've got the Tuckler's Grade extension and Tuckler's Grade widening. Widening of Jones Loop Road, increasing that widening all the way over to the Jones Loop connector, and then the Loop Connector, which was I think kind of the project that started off the beginning of the meeting with some of the public comment. Just relative to the public comment, a lot of this information has been available online. Staff did have the three workshops, we did have the consensus building workshop, we have the regular committee meetings. But I would like to highlight this concept of a roadway when I was you know sitting Through some of the other meeting items The impio's website only goes back to the 2040 plan, which was adopted in 2050 That concepts and the in that plant. It's also in the plan. It was adopted five years ago the 2045 plan So this isn't necessarily a new concept that's been identified, but what I will say, and this is very common in a road of this nature, there really isn't a definition of where that road's going to go. It's just a line on the map. Our recommendation, like to frame this, we've talked about cost feasibility. This is way, way out from a cost feasibility standpoint. This is also pretty far out there in terms of actual need and timing. This is a project in my mind based on my experience in reviewing the technical information. This is a project that's needed after 2050. However, if there's not an identification of what the alignment or where the corridor door is going to go, I can tell you like so many other needed projects, you're going to find it very challenging to be able to implement. So our recommendation in terms of the cost feasible plan is that just solely there's a study that's done to evaluate alternatives. In my mind looking at it, it's a pretty clean thing to do if you run it along the edge of the airport property, and it supports all that economic activity that you're trying to do, but the problem is once you get to get close to Burmont Road, you're still going to impact some residential areas up there, and you can't get it up to 17 without impacting a lot. So it might be it has to be something that would be offset. Not the kind of thing that's typically done within a long range plan, it really is something that there should be a corridor study that come up with what the alignment is and identify how the best to do that, minimize the impact and have an appropriate amount of public comment. I will say there are a lot of consultants that run around and brag about their public involvement. We had 40,000 people log in online in a 10. Today I heard from Tammy, Theresa, Kathy, Michael, and Kaylyn Lee. Gosh, I hope I got your name right. I just heard from five people that meaningfully affect change in the plan in terms of being very cautious of how any corridor in that area moves forward and that it's appropriate for their BS study to evaluate how that alignments. But again, I do not see this as being something that's cost-visual, no matter if we get to the next map, where we go into the priority projects is not showing up as a priority project for implementation. And with that, I'll pause if there's any additional board comment relative to that particular. Yeah, that's just the same. Thank you, Ms. Chair. So this is a unique community. They are private roads with public access and easement to use the roads, but the county doesn't own it right away. And this is just a recommendation from public input. This isn't, this is something that can be removed. So I would say with the uniqueness of the community and what's going on there. And the fact that we just heard testimony that this is way way out. So why do we have to have it on here? I would just suggest we've removed it that second. Can I maybe add just a little bit more to the comment? Of all the roadways that are showing up on this map, it's one of the few that doesn't get in a data in the category for storm. in terms of what I'm saying is we remove it from here but it can be moved somewhere else we can look at an alternative location is what I'm saying so I would just say remove it from you know going right through this community and then look for an alternative site understanding that you know we need to do a connector somewhere there but just not in that community if I can make the recommendation what what we would propose to do is basically from the edge of the airport property to just a little bit east into the wildlife management area, just run a swap through there on the map that shows potential north, south, corridor, and the only thing that would show up in terms of the plan would be a study to evaluate an appropriate alignment for the future. So that would be the alternative? Yeah. Yeah. That's probably fine. Yeah, I mean, of any of the lines on this map, that one is not a road. By any definition of road, I mean, that's it is not a road. It is a it is a pass-through on private property. So it's very difficult. I mean, and I the fact that it might have been on prior maps, I just don't think we were really paying attention because it's a wish list. It's way out in the future, it's unfunded. It's essentially not going to happen in anybody's lifetime in this room. But I do agree that maybe it makes sense to put a sort of a big fuzzy or a long ellipse that just says some type of connector because on paper it makes sense in reality it doesn't. And it's gotta be something where, and I appreciate the suggestion, just run it along the wildlife quarter. No, you could look ahead. My head exploded trying to have that happen with the Bernstore Road, and we had to move the road. All we need was a hundred feet into that wildlife preserve, and the state was like, don't even bother. Don't even ask us. Go away. So we have to buy the road on the other side. We have to move. We have to have FPL move all their polls. Nightmare. There's no more. There's no common sense when it comes to that level of government. There just isn't. They don't get it. They don't understand it. And so we have to do the right thing to protect your rights, but that suggestion is a great suggestion. She's never going to happen. So I don't know. Yeah, I would just say we just remove it. the right thing to protect your rights, but that suggestion is a great suggestion. She's never going to happen. So, I don't know. Yeah, I would just say we just remove it, show it on these. Just swap. Yeah, just show it as a piece there that you addressed it and we're covered because, you know, what the residents are thinking and I understand it. If it's on a map, it's on a map. That means when we're gone, it could be somebody else sitting in the seat who knows what can happen in 20 years, you know So I just say It's on a map. It's on a map. That means when we're gone, it could be somebody else sitting in the seat. Who knows what can happen in 20 years? You know, so I just say remove it. Thank you, sir. When we go back to some of the earlier plans, it says grove in the table, but when we look at the map and we got the files, it clearly is a quorn and I, you know, just to kind of I have explained what I think happened is it's supposed to be a connector up to 17 from Jones Bluebroad, it's Burmott. And if you draw a line straight down from 17 is it's going north south before it turns you draw a straight line it's acorn. That's the only thing that justifies the line being there. And the straight line also goes through the majority of the Pallangos too, which again in air quotes makes sense, but it really, it's not the reality of the fact that none of these are accepted roadways, none of them. And here's the thing, if those residents knew this line was getting drawn and they read that public hearing, this wouldn't be on the map. They just didn't know and they didn't show. Because if they knew they would have spread the word, you had a hundred people there saying well already done the approach that we're talking about taking the day yeah that's exactly what happened thank you mr. yeah Because if they knew they would have spread the word you would have had a hundred people there saying no already done the approach that we're talking about taking the day. Yeah, that's exactly what happened. Thank you, Mr Yeah, I'm agreeing with everything. Please, please, please, please, we can't You know the only thing that I could ever see a need for a paved road through there is for public safety reasons getting ambulances and better fire trucks Sharks, sheriffs, deputies, you know, school buses, that kind of thing. But the community is going to have to come forward and say, we want this, this is the road we wanted on. They're going to have to come forward with a plan with all the easements. I can tell you, I, and I'm pretty sure everybody else on our board, is not interested in any taking of any sort. So unless the folks of the ranch heads come forward and say, we've decided we want a road, and we've worked it all out, and this is where we want it, and every property owner's on board, which is never going to happen. Then there might be a road. There might be a road, but it's just not feasible, and we know this community, we know these people, and again, on this whole map, on all these maps of lines, that's not a road. So it's really hard for us to even conceptually say, oh yeah, in 30, 40, no, there's no way that's gonna happen. So it makes, and I really appreciate Commission Sales Commands, it makes no sense to have it in any specific location because you're this is reality. That's not reality. That's right. Totally agree. OK. All right. Next one. So that wraps up the needs. And that gives us to our high priority needs. I think I've made this illustration again, but I'll do it again because I know we have more people in the audience. Here's your needs. Here's your high priority needs. Your cost feasible plans are going to be somewhere in the middle. So it doesn't show up on this map. It doesn't show up the day. It's not finding its way into the cost feasible plan. Other than maybe an intersection and improvement, it certainly will not be a major capacity. Mr. Chair, if I may, you and I spoke about removing the line. Is there a consensus on this board to remove the line? I am good with that, sir. Yeah. Okay. Absolutely. Hi, I agree. So all five of us. We don't have to take a vote. We're just going to run a swath on the map. These will be studied at some point. Thank you. All right, so this gives us a high priority meat. So showing up in that, I'm going to start over and then peninsula. So it's whining in the 16th and 776 where Kenner Road 771 comes in. There's also, and for some reason, it's missing office. There's a little blip there just to the east of Winchester Boulevard. That part pretty critically needs to be six lanes as well. So that goes into the priority. Printville Drive, Whiting on Veterans Boulevard, the interchange, Harborview Road, the Flamingo Edgewater improvements, Burtstor Road Extension, Burtstor Road, Six Laneing, Tuckers Great Extension, Taylor Road, which was added partly because of the discussion that took place earlier in terms of the multi-modal needs on that corridor. Burmott Road is shown up as being four lane. I can tell you it's not gonna be cost feasible, but we're showing it as a priority. And then the Southern portion of State Road 31, widening of that portion. So when we are looking to start putting projects down and identifying the cost feasible plan, this is our menu. This is what we're going to be drawing off as the roadway corridors that are showing here. So you're saying Burmut Road's not close feasible. Is that why the gold boxes around it? The gold boxes around it because of something that adds to it since your last meeting. Okay. I'm as well as Taylor Road. Part of this that now it's on our it's on our priority capacity roadway and also safety. Yeah. Got it. Okay. Good. So these are your priority projects. Next slide. You know, some of the recent feedback that we got on roadway needs was the, you know, then we've made adjustment of this as the South Jones, the road, the only in Boulevard extension, Luther Road, those are items that were discussed. Other priority is that Jones Loop Road widening it for lanes further out the recognized economic development need there. Next slide. So, and go ahead and skip that one. Transit needs, this is from your 2024 Transit Development Plan. You paid a lot of money to go do a Transit Development Plan identified what the needs are, and that we're bringing that into the RTP from a cost feasible standpoint, unless you tell us differently, what will be cost feasible is basically to level service that you're currently providing or going to be funding an immediate near future. Next slide. Some of the public input that was received was a desire for fixed route service, multimodal hubs at the airport and the hospital. Infocizing connections to the airport. It's modifications to the S41 route. Connections on veterans in PinchNFI, in Panagora. Connections out the Port Charlotte Beach and Harborview Heights Park. Those are comments that we received because of feedback. I think we all realize and appreciate the cost of the ride of those services next slide. And then this map is consistent with the map that we brought before it before. In terms of bicycle pedestrian trail projects. We're showing these in terms of needs. I can tell you from a prioritization and cost feasible standpoint, we'll be doing this looking at what is in your list of priority projects that you've identified. I will say this until the day I retire. Bicycling and pedestrian projects are best prioritized through your annual process. I do not have a magic crystal ball that says which sidewalk needs to be constructed in your 2049. And so that's how we will handle that aspect of the plane plan. Next slide. Some public input that we received was again in Orleans Boulevard, Harbor Boulevard, Kings Highway, Riverside, some additional connections between Cooper and extending the sidewalk on Harborview Road. And that will be done associated with the railway project and then also the continued the fun of order multi use path to this house. So those are some of the comments we received. This map here, we're just overlaying, had the priority in terms of safety needs. And we're kind of just showing how these safety needs relate to the roadway network. So and potential improvements are corridor and promise. And normally, when a roadway is widened or is a capacity project, one aspect of that construction is address the safety issues that have been addressed on the corridor. And so that's why we're showing this map. Next slide. So upcoming public involvement. So we have another consensus building workshop on June 9th. Now we specifically invite people. We had 34 people come and spend a long time with us. That meeting is also open to the public as well. There will be the public workshops. The staff will be leading on May 27th and 28th. And then we will do a virtual public workshop on May 29th. You will get the adoption package at your August meeting. And then there will be another virtual public workshop on the 14th, and the plan will be put forth to you for adoption on the second, but you're gonna know pretty much what's in the plan at that August 4th meeting. We'll comment in terms of the virtual public workshops that might seem like something kind of new. I'll just say I've been doing this for 32 years. We used to get a lot of people show up at a workshop for a long range plan. People are really busy these days. They are used to being able to go online. Matter of fact, Wayne, I think you probably can say the same is probably the truth for a lot of the department's projects. So they'll have a big meeting, but there's a whole lot more people. I know even myself, I don't typically go to the in-person meeting, because I can just go online and get all the information screen capture and get everything that I need for a meeting. So those virtual workshops I'd say are going to be pretty important. And next slide. And with that, I'll open up for any additional questions you all might have. Commissioner Tussan. Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair. Yeah, I would just say for the public This could be found on CC PGM P.O. Gov right yes, so yeah, so anybody from the public who's who didn't bring a pen and paper who's interested in these workshops go to the Charlie County Ponegore to MPO. Gov and you'll be able to find all this information. Yes sir. Thank you. CCPGMPO.gov. Yes sir. The May 27 and 28 public workshops, the one in South County is from 4 to 6 PM sir. 4 to 6 PM on May 28 at the Charlotte County Event Center at the Charlotte County that's it. So that would be a good place for folks to go and give their input. And I'm going to assume that the map on the preliminary capacity roadway needs and then also the one that shows the loop also on preliminary, the tighter one for South County, that both of the, and also the one on recent feedback on roadway needs, all of those slides that show that roadway, those will be a- It will be appropriately adjusted. Yes sir. Okay. So you need a motion to approve those edits along with your plan to go forward for the meetings on the 27th, 28th, and the virtual one on the 29th. We're not approving this. We're approving the form for you to now go out and shop it to the public for comments. You stop to bring it back on August 4th for us to again give it a thumbs up and then finally adoptions going to be in October. Yeah, realistically when we get to the August date is when everything of relevance needs to be locked down, there will be additional documentation that will be developed and when it comes to in October. The thing that we are looking for today is basically your affirmation that we are identifying in terms of the multi-modal needs are, are, are appropriate so we can basically print that, lock that part down because we are full steam ahead dealing with cost feasible plan development. It isn't to say that when we get to August that you couldn't come to that meeting and go and say, I want to add this and I'd recommend not doing that, but you could make a modification at that point. But it would be helpful for us and the team to hear from you that you're on board with the needs assessment that's been presented. And then we're going to go ahead and move into the cost of feasible plant development. As modified during this meeting. So I do remember there was one thing that I wanted to discuss when you talked about punogordo and you talked about Mary and Avenue going west and how you got two lanes potentially making a right turn to go north over the bridge you'll never use that third lane. I got to tell you as much as you're talking about blocking that off, there's a problem because you have people that need to get over to go to the hotel yet. You need that third lane to stay open, trying to truncate it to two and then have it open back up to three. You're creating a bottleneck there, which is a very bad idea. Could I maybe more clearly articulate what it was referring to? Yeah. So the Eastbound lanes, and when you're at the intersection with the Northbound 41, the feeding into it, there are two through lanes. I think it's actually a through and a shared through. Eastbound, left-bound, on Olympia. Eastbound. This is on Olympia, not Marian. OK. Sorry. It's on Olympia. And the way the intersection is configured, you're never going to feed three lanes of traffic into that roadway. What it means from an operational standpoint is when we time the traffic signal and provide adequate pedestrian crossing time to get across that intersection, we gotta get them across another 12 feet. We gotta, it's an additional amount of time that has to be allocated that movement. It works out probably okay because of the northbound 41 is a pretty heavy movement, but that's also additional exposure. It's also a case of a person wanting to make a right turn on green and there's a pedestrian in the crosswalk. By law, half the stop until that pedestrian is cleared. So from an operational standpoint, it would actually be more efficient, but then it also creates a situation where you aspirationally don't have cases when you know the volumes are a little bit lower in the day and now you got three lanes and really honestly you can go as fast as you want on that road. It's speed limit signs merely a suggestion. So looking at it, this is something that again it would have to be studied specifically for the roadway, but there is a stretch through there of Eastbound 17. It's overbuilt. It's overbuilt. And until you get close to the next intersection, there's not going to be a meaningful capacity change if it was a reduced number of lines. But again, are you talking about 41 to 41? Are you talking about? No, no, I'm talking about northbound 41 east of there. On 17th, so on Olympia, east of northbound 41. So if you were coming. So as you're approaching 41, going west. On the post office. No, I still got Olympia. No, no. So let's, so, so, so let's say you come across a bridge. Mm-hmm. You've got, you've got the west, west bound 17. You get to the next intersection. You go and you make a, you make a left turn. You come to the intersection of north bound 41. What you see in front of you is three open through lengths. Mm you're stopped at that stop stop bar for the traffic signal, as I take it from memory, there's only two lengths to go through. And I think one was actually shared through left turn length. So realistically, the maximum amount of volume that's getting fed to the other side is about one and a half lengths. True. And it's three lanes on the other side. So the concept would be to take a look at that. And how could that be more, you know, better configured from a, from a, from a safety standpoint, maintaining the capacity in that location. But that's been, that's been the concept that's been discussed. I know it's, I know it's weird. The problem with transportation is we're so used to thinking everything's got to be symmetrical. What's three lanes on the other side, so I must need three lanes over here. But oftentimes, particularly in urban environment, you're never can feed the amount of traffic in at certain intersections. This is one of those unique intersections where that happens. Yeah, I mean, I still feel like there's a bottleneck I get where you're saying, but still there's folks that that as soon as you feed over want to move right over because they want to make a left on Nesbitt and go to the post office. So, you know, I I'm understanding what you're saying, but that's a that's a tough one to so you just want to have that area jut out so people have one lane less to cross when they have a traffic light Technically would be unlawful from the ship to that lane in the middle of the intersection anyhow I understand that yeah, yeah, but okay, and that's that's kind of to the point When you got all those extra lanes you got all that extra space and you don't need it from a capacity standpoint people start the misbehave in terms of how they drive and. And waiting to see a noddinger head, we deal with this a lot. So I'd appreciate it, sidebar conversation with you. Councilwoman Pol. Yeah, I just like to add to that, that right now some of those properties are not developed. So I can see why you're saying that. They've been like that since after Charlie, but there was years ago in the 70s. Plenty of development along there, and I'm hoping at some point we get some development. So I kind of disagree with what you're saying. Also, that's a feeder to I-75. I go there every day because I'm getting on I-75. We're going underneath I-75. So there is quite a bit of traffic because PGI people use it to get on to I-75. I think how many people come from PGI to get on to I-75 there. I don't know. I don't know. Bringing it down to two lanes to me just doesn't seem like it makes sense. I think it's, I think no, it's, I think he's talking about doing a really short segment just at the beginning of that street because the people in the left lane are turning anyway. So there wouldn't be no reason. It's just going to be hard for people to get used to. That's all. I understand you're throwing theory. It's not my idea. Yeah, so. Okay. It's a board's pleasure. Do you want to remove it? I mean, we've got the representative here from the city, correct? If the city is no longer supportive of this project, we can remove it from the plan. I mean, I'd be interested in finding out how much it cost to it to take away a lane. There's a number of different ways that could, really honestly, and Wayne, correct me if I'm wrong, it would require an engineering analysis. When we say lane repurposing, it could be, you know, talking about more development there. It could be this simply something along the lines of parking or truck delivery areas. It's being repurposed as something other than a through lane that, you know, unless you change, unless you widen the intersection, you know, coming into it, you're just never going to have the volume. You're just giving the opportunity for somebody to get around somebody's going a little bit slower and hit the gas. And that's where we started having very serious crashes. Right, and again, if you don't mind, there was a hospital there before that's gone. So there was quite a bit of traffic that really used that area. There are a lot of doctors offices that are to the right of that road. So, and I'm usually in the middle because I'm not going to any of those. I'm trying to get onto I-75, so I don't know. I just don't see a purpose. Okay, thank you. I was not agree, completely. TJ, Thornberry. Yeah, it's, I don't think, I think there was money, The money would be better spent elsewhere for sure. I mean, it's not a problem. And reality right now, it's a bone jarring. I can't tell you every time I drive down that road, what goes through my mind. I drive it multiple times a day, because my office is down that road. So that alleviates your speeders right there because you'll just tear your car apart or your truck apart going down that road too fast. I know it's working progress but I agree with total heartily there's going to be a need for that capacity and there was at one time and as you mentioned hopefully very soon again. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you, Mr. Chair. The only thing I would say is that your staff probably reviewed this. I don't know if you want to get back with staff and your other council members. Mitch Austin is gone. Well, they have somebody else. Yeah, no, but this is a mid this has been trust and written all over it. So yeah, I'm just saying, you know, we have three Board of County commissioners here. So we've kind of got numbers. I just want to make sure that I understand the suggestion, but if you're comfortable with it, we can entertain it, but knowing that your staff isn't here, your technical staff, and also your other council members to get their input. You may want to consider that because this could be addressed even though it may not be, we may not want to hold this off to the next meeting but it may be something we can come back and adjust at the next meeting. Yeah, I mean I think we have the opportunity now, A, and B, I would love to see a sketch of what you're talking about because I think we have, we know where we're talking but But I think we have different ideas of the amount of you're not taking all three lanes away from Olympia. You're talking, but I think we have different ideas of the amount of, you're not taking all three lanes away from Olympia. You're talking about just at the corner, making it parking for half a block or something and then making a lane. So I really want to see what your concept looks like before we shoot it down, huh? You're, we're not the one that came with the concept came from the city of Hunter Gordon. Let's find out what the city had in mind, because obviously that came from, yeah, that was my point. There may be something we're missing. They may have a really good reason to want to do with the green one. Maybe if I could make a recommendation that threads the needle, okay? Instead of showing this specific alongness, lines in terms of road diet or what have you that we just identify in the downtown area and we can deal with the whole set of one way pairs is just traffic operations, safety evaluation of the corridors to look at where the opportunities are because I know I agree with what you're saying in terms of capacity concerns but if you have all that development that's going to happen you have a lot of pedestrian traffic that's going across through there too and if I got to give them another, you know, you know Five seconds every you know cycle then I just made that intersection potentially less efficient Even though I have fewer lanes, but that has to be evaluated a much more Detailed level. I'm not going to come back with a Scressor If I come back with a sketch that I put together. You're going to come up 50 different ways of evaluating and ask, well, what if the, if we're concerned about doing something different here, it really should be a specific, you know, downtown evaluation that takes into consideration with the city's current, you know, growth aspirations are. Because I will say, what's there now? It's indifferent to the whole context classification context classification the whole way of doing things you've got other intersections that I feel like in downtown punagora they have some pretty egregious problems and issues and that would be an appropriate way of putting some momentum behind and being able to get that. Yeah and I before I go to Lack you know we always talk about local controls so this is definitely something where I think all the other four of us would yield to the city's wishes. But I will tell you, like two years ago, two, three years ago, F.Dot came with this whole concept about killing a lane on 41 so we could have bicycles and all this other stuff. And I stayed in control, but I blew up. I said, look said look that's not gonna happen You're not gonna take any lane miles or or any capacity away from cars There are dozens of roads that parallel 41 that you can route the bike traffic and there'd be a lot safer and Get them to the harbor walker get them on to the bridge and we were able to kill that. It was a really bad idea. The other thing they brought was the roundabout. Well, that's almost done now. So that, well, you'll see, it's gonna work fine. So the idea is, you know, it's good. They can bring us concepts, but at the end of the day, we've got to do what's best for our constituents and we live here, we work here, we drive these roads. So it's great when, I would say, 99% of the time, there's consensus. We all are from the area and we all move through these roads, whether we are primarily in South County and we visit West County or vice versa. But at the end of the day, we know what works for our community. And so I'm pleased that we're coming up, you know, that we're talking the same language here. But I deferring to the city makes a lot of sense because they're planners and their staff and whoever was working on the elected side at the time. But now, it's got to be refreshed. And so we eagerly await their input. If you will, would you be comfortable with those moving forward with the advice and counsel that they give us at that point? Appreciate it. Okay, with that. Endance, yeah. Okay. All right, so I guess at this point I will take a motion. We've got to craft a motion with those elements in there. Yeah. Well, let me try. Yeah. Thanks, Senator Chairman, move approval of the 2050 long range LRTP needs assessment with all the adjustments discussed today, understanding they will be coming back to us on August 4th. Second, and that basically this needs assessment approval is is approval specifically to go back out to the public on May 27th, 28th and 29th for them to see the plan with our adjustments because then we need that input to come back to us before we actually have it go forward again on April 4th and final and October 2nd. So there's many more touches. Yeah, the package comes back to us on on the 4th of August and After all of those public input And in the clear what we're gonna do is we're gonna bring forth to you which projects In phases are gonna be in the cost feasible plan for your 2050 and I apologize There's not a lot of money And And so you have to apologize. So don't have enough money. That's okay. Now, sorry, Mr. Guarmer. Now that we have a motion second before we go ahead, sir. Yes, sir. Again, we are talking about 2015 needs and there is no money available for this specific project. Like the one we have discussed in the ranchers.ers is no specific money available. The one thing I would say this goes back again to the history with rely on our historic data, whatever project you see on this list today, it comes back from the previous LRTPs. So with the changes that proposed here today, we will be happy to take those to our public meetings that are coming up in the main, and also to our TAC, CAC meetings that are coming up in June. We do also have a steering committee meeting with the technical staff that includes from the Charlotte County staff, including City of Pandegora, ma'am. So we'll be happy to discuss that during that meeting. Very good. All right. Any further discussion? Yes, please. And I just want to make sure it's clear you made your motion and said with the adjustments we discussed. The adjustments we discussed specifically are to remove that segment of road in the ranchats out of the ranchats. And the second thing we discussed was Olympia Avenue and Marion is at the... Olympia Avenue and Northbound 41. Okay, in Northbound 41. And also to come back with, I guess, a proposal or a scope of a proposal relative to a, whatever the appropriate DOT study would be for the modifications to King's Highway I-75. Okay. Thank you. I just want to make sure we had all the elements in the order head. Yeah. Yeah, that's important. Okay, so those three things. I don't want anything to be nebulous here. Right. Good idea. Yeah. All right, so we have our motion. Our second everybody understands any further comment. Hearing none, is there any opposition the motion. Here none of that passage in an honestly. All right we will move on to thank you very much. You all have a pleasant evening. Thank you, Mr. Roll. Thank you for the presentation. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Item number 13, regional interlocal agreement between the Hartland Regional TPO and Charlotte County Conegurto MPO. Raffnor, Mr. Chair, and that was a great discussion about the needs, and I believe that we are and hitting the red path. With this, this is our interlocal agreement with our counterparts to the east, the Heartland TPO, which represents the six rural counties that includes the Dissert Oak Glades, Hardy, Henry Highlands, and Akachovic. The goal is to make sure that we have a conversation with our counterparts and establish the structural form to discuss about the regional projects between Charlotte and PEO and the Heartland TPO. And we've never had an agreement with them before. So this is really important and this is basically talking about 74 Burm on Road and how blades are going to, you know, but all those interactions. Yes sir, thank you. So it also includes the roadway capacity improvement on King's Highway, Burm on Road and US 17. It doesn't restrict us to talk about other modes of transportation, including sidewalks and bike lanes that we may have on these roadways. Finally, this agreement has undergone through our legal review by both MPOs and ready for your consideration today. Harlan MPO staff are said to present this agreement at their board meeting on June 18th for their approval. With that, MPO staff is recommending the board to approve their interlocal agreement for the creation of a regional transportation forum between Hardland Regional Transportation Planning and Charlett County for the board MPO. With that, I'm happy to answer any questions. Any questions? Mr. Chairman, great idea. I move approval of the inter-lovel agreement. Second. Motion second to approve any further discussion. Hearing none, is there any opposition? Hearing none, that passes unanimously. And I will sign that. OK, very good. That's exciting. And I think long overdue. Thank you for getting that done. That was something that we had asked for and thought was logical, so I appreciate that. All right, item 14. All right, next question. Next question. Multi-modal planning, C3MP initiative. For this, we do have our FDA-OD staff rep, Michelle Poraro, to present the agenda item. I'll let her take it away. Am I trying that? Thank you. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Before you start, I wanted to find out so Mr. Role is still in the back, but I'm not going to call him back up. But the bridges show six lanes across the peace river. So I'm just wondering for next time, explain how that would happen. Are we gonna just open up the shoulders and make three lane capacity on both bridges or are they gonna actually have to build another structure? He's coming up anyway. I know. I'm gonna defer that question.. So the discussion is a previously taken place. I think it was OK at one of the previous meetings had mentioned that within the time frame of this plan, 2050, at least one of those bridges is likely going to reach the end of its functional lifespan, if you will, so the department would naturally be looking at doing a replacement of at least one of those structures. Who knows what's going to happen between that time frame and now that might change things. You know, I think one of the challenges is this, you can make both of those bridges have ten lanes. But when they hit downtown, when they hit downtown, you're just going to be backed up in the house. So when the study is done for the bridges, it's realistically going to have to look at, is there some pivot? Is there some adjustment that should be made at that point in time? And that's speculative at this point. Obviously you've got to understand what the landing zone is, but I do remember the concepts where they were going to have a more robust multi-use lane pedestrian facility. One of those bridges would be really expanded to allow for other live-ability type stuff because if you really have that much space right now, it's almost almost kind of dangerous for riding a bike or you know, you get those barriers and you're trying to walk or fish. I mean, there's not a lot of room, but to actually have specified places for people to have locations would really be great. And I think that's maybe part of this. But again, I saw blue lines and I was just trying to understand how that was going to be accomplished, but I think you've explained that. Yes. William. I'd be more than happy to get in touch with our bridge folks and get their best guestiment as to the lifespan of the bridge to come through and get back in touch with Blacks. And we should have that be something that will be interested in as well. I will state that the Florida Department of Transportation does an excellent job of maintaining their facilities. So bridges tend to get an exceedingly long lifespan out of them. So just because we have something identified for one lifespan, I know that we've been able to extend that considerably in a lot of cases, especially in freshwater bridges. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Role. Thanks for sticking around. I apologize, please. No worries, thank you. Again, my name is Michelle Peranto. I am the district transit administrator for the Florida Department of Transportation. Here today, presenting to you on congestion management multimodal planning initiative. It's a long name, it's a conky acronym, I came up with both, so I'm proud of them. So C3NP, but what I said earlier to our Sarah Soda Manatee MPO was don't worry about remembering C3NP, just remember my name. In case you have questions, it's Michelle Peranto, you can always contact me. About six years ago, our own secretary, LK Nanda, had this thought of doing this different type of planning within our district, considering the change that planning can and will have on our roadway network and how to better plan for our roadway network inclusive of all modes. So he came to the Transit Administrator and said let's work on public transportation first and then we'll start working on all of our other modes including bike pad, airports, rail, seaports, all of those modes that we have within our district, right? So with any good initiative, we came up with a strategic plan. We have goals, we have a process, we have a vision, we have a mission. Most of that has not changed in the six years that we've been working on this initiative, except for our vision and mission. It was a very hyper focus on public transportation for about the first three years or so. And then we changed it up and now today it reads all of our various modes of transportation. And so what this team does is we're a bit of a think tank. And we try to come up with ideas about how your transportation network may look differently if we are engaged more so in a planning effort. So you heard a lot today about your long range transportation plan. You heard a lot from William. You heard a lot from your own citizens about what that plan looks like and what that means to them. What this slide tells you is all of the plans that it takes to get your project to that oval on the far right that says adopted work program. What that means to you all, what that means to the public, is that that's when your project is funded. That's when you get to start it, right? But it can't happen until or unless you've done the proper planning and that includes your long-range transportation plan that includes your congestion management plan. It includes working with your MPO, their staff, working through the tip process, the tip process, and most importantly, in this discussion today, that orange triangle on the right, your modal plans. So we just heard about a bridge discussion. It was about what a 90 second discussion about bridges and they last a long time, but we're committed in the district that when we replace a bridge we consider that mode. We consider to have a bike pedestrian availability there. We consider to have public transportation there. We consider where is it in relationship to any airport so that we can build that bridge to last as long as it needs to last and serve the public as it needs to serve the public. That's what this group and that's what this initiative from LK is trying to do. So many of you have known LK maybe for a very long time, perhaps for decades like I have, and he's a thinker, he's an innovator, and that's why this initiative was important to him, because truly without most things in life and in our profession and then distinctly in our transportation profession, we cannot do most anything until we have an appropriate plan for it. Sometimes that plan takes a very long time and sometimes your project takes a very long time, but you first have to plan for it. So he offered this suggestion to me and I have it in this quote, and you can read through these slides. I don't really talk about all those slides because you can read them. Think outside the box for practical solutions without financial limitations. When he said that to me, I thought, I'm a 20 year veteran of the department. I'm a public employee. I'm serving the public. And I've always worked in a budget. And now you're asking me not to. That could be kind of fun and it has been. So we take big things, we take big pictures and we start peeling away the layers and figure out what it is that we can do all considering your transportation network. How can it change what we do today to make it better in 50 years? This slide and the next slide talks about our goals and our processes. By the way, I don't do this alone. I have a team of people. One of them is here with us today, Peyton McCloud with PGA and my other colleague, Rohan Sadhai with Asha Consulting and together we work on all these things, including some things that involve transit. So on the far right hand side, I talk about incorporating technology. Again, these goals and our processes next that you'll see haven't changed in the six years. We look at them annually and we've decided they don't need to be changed. And so we don't change them. I'm going to talk a little bit later about that incorporating technology, but what I want you to focus on right now is that item number one, develop relationships. You all are serving the public. This is what you do. You develop relationships. It's what I've done in my career. I just didn't know that it could be even better than it had already been. I didn't understand that the deeper and more passion I had with my relationships throughout our district, throughout all the different sectors, throughout all the modes, throughout all of our MPOs or cities and counties, would I then be able to make things happen and see them come to life. It's so exciting when you get to see your project that you talk about, be real on the streets. The initiative was important to Secretary Nandom, so important that he took the time to go around and introduce himself in person to our transit directors and our aviation, I'm sorry, our airport directors, and he is passionate about this and has made me feel the same. So it is an exciting journey. One of the things that we've done and your own MPO staff and director have been involved in these meetings is we meet with our transit agencies and our airport about quarterly. So the setup is the MPO, the transit agency and the department. It's an informal meeting. It's where things kind of really happen, right? Conversations about ideas, about what could happen, how can we help, how can we be helpful? And we offer that to both our MPO and our modal partners. It's been one of the most successful parts to our initiative is simply having those conversations because it allows for opportunity for us to work on. This is my second to the last slide. It's some of our successes. I won't talk about all of them, but one of the ones that I always do love to talk about is State where it's 789 that's in Sarasota County. Some of you may be familiar with a very large roundabout project that happened down there in its complete now. It's a beautiful project. The traffic is flowing. It does a wonderful job. However, when we were coming into that construction project, the city and the county both came to the district leadership team and asked for help because it was going to cause a lot of congestion during construction. And Elkay said, I think we can help you, Michelle and team try to figure out how to put a bus over that bridge. And so we did that. We worked with the county and the city through lots of conversation. and today they have the Bayrunner Trolley. It's one of their most successful routes. They're proud of it. The people love it. The citizens love it. And the visitors love it. Very high ridership. However, the better part to that story. So that's great, right? But the better part to that story is as we got into that project, we realized there were three other FDOT projects happening within a short amount of time in about the same area. So today, what that project looks like just the bus over the bridge, simple enough, today what it looks like is coming out of the roundabout, going up and over that John Ringling bridge, making your way over to St. Armance, without a lot of money, just a lot of planning, and a lot of asking, and a lot of doing the right thing in advance. We have a dedicated bus lane, a dedicated bike lane, and two travel lanes. So we're just short coming out of the last bridge over to St. Armonds. But we'll get there very low cost. It really all it meant was having some discussions. And so that's what this team is here for. So we offer that to you, and as we've offered it to our MPO staff. I'm going to talk to you in my next presentation about that last bullet. So I'm not going to go over that. I will stop here. I will offer you one last slide. It's our move over for safety. I had to do it today. Please make sure you're moving over. Remember, it's not just for emergency vehicles. And remember, it could be you or your loved one on the side of that road. Keep them safe. I will take comments and or questions, please Thank you Michelle any any comments any questions. Great concept. He's leaving a legacy. He is absolutely leaving many legacies. Thank you very much. All right. Well, thank you for the presentation. We're going to move on to item 15, which is advanced air mobility. And that's another F dot update. Yes, sir. That's another child part of the presentation. I'll leave it to her. I'm up again. So here we are, advanced air mobility. This has generated a lot of conversation. I'll try to give it to you. And the shortest form I can, this is keep in mind that this is very high level. I am not a aviation person nor an engineer. So advanced air mobility, we call it AAM. It's going to come to you by way of an aircraft that sort of looks like a helicopter. It takes off in lands sort of like a helicopter. It is not a helicopter. It's an electric vertical take off in landing aircraft. So the first acronym is AAM. That's Secret acronym is EVTAL, both a little clunky, but that's what the industry has given us. It is being talked about a lot. We are, in at least, the second session, or the second cycle of our legislative session where they've talked about it at session, it's making its way to us. A lot of people seem to think that, isn't it just a drone? It is not a drone by any stretch of that word. Your EVTAL has a pilot with a pilot's license, all monitored and overseen by our federal aviation authority or administration. And it flies much higher drones, fly around 400 feet. These EVTALs fly between 1,000 and 3,000 feet. So there's a lot of other differences, but just keep that in mind. You've got somebody controlling a drone. You've got somebody driving an EV tall aircraft. The infrastructure that it's going to take is primarily for right now is going to be at our airports, but it could be heliports and in the future it will be vertiports. Those are their own EV tall landing pads. Again, they're electric, so they need to be electrified. All of that infrastructure has to be put in place before we're allowed to have a vertebrae or even have the actual ebitaal aircraft at any of our local airports. So why are we here? Because Florida's been recognized as the national leader. So that's in this field. That's very exciting for us. The Florida Department of Transportation heard that and said we should probably do something with that national recognition. And so we've been working on some guidance documents alongside our federal aviation administration. They are primarily the administration that will guide things like all of the regulation, what a pilot's license must look like, how long does that take? Those types of things, while Florida Department of Transportation is going to be working on things like community involvement, community engagement, and engagement with folks just like you are local and appointed officials. Why does Florida get that national recognition? It's because of how our airports are laid out and because of some connections that can easily be made. Our aircraft will not be flying very long distances so it takes airports that are compressed and put together. So this is an example, an example of what a network might look like. Where are we in the process? We're in that phase two. So as we come into phase two, we are right now beginning this public awareness campaign. That's why I'm here today before you. You may have previously received a few emails about this subject through LACS or through one of his staff members about some upcoming workshops. And that's the part that is going to be of interest to you where you can learn much more. You can see across the top of this side where we have the different sectors of government and where we have also our service providers. I did here last week as I was giving this presentation that 12 private vendors made their way to legislative floor this year. So again this is happening it is coming forward if you're interested or even somewhat interested. I recommend that you begin learning about it because it will take your involvement in your community to bring this type of technology into your area. And that is primarily because when you look at this slide, you see that the local government has the most to do. Right? So that's a lot to swallow, like you haven't maybe even heard of the acronym AAM or EBTOL prior to this afternoon. And that's okay because that's why we have produced this guidance document. It's in your packet on screen. You can click that QR code and get a lot more information about what all of this means and what it will mean to your community and how it will be implemented. More importantly, the primary reason I'm here is to formally invite you to these workshops. So the department is having workshops statewide. If you can't make these two dates not to worry, we are hosting these statewide. Once you click that org code, or I'm sorry the QR code, you will find all of the workshops that we are hosting. These two just happen to be in our district unfavorable to our district ones. So these are the ones I'm highlighting. We would love to see you in either Bartot or Fort Myers. The top half of the day is for your planning staff. So as you go back to your offices and you meet with your folks in the transportation industry, ensure that your planning staff knows that there's a workshop coming up. It's free. We're going to give you a free book. We're going to give you a lot of free information. And then the latter half of the day is for you are elected and appointed officials and what your role might be with AAM. I'll stop there and ask if you have any comments or questions. Comments or questions? Yes. I have just one how quick are those vertiports? How fast are they do you know? The actual aircraft. I don't know how fast they can go but but somebody at those workshops will know. So I went, I clicked the QR code and went on the link and it just, it goes to the, the page with advanced air mobility. It doesn't really show you the, all the information. Yeah. So this one is going to take you to the event page. The slide takes you, this QR code takes you to the event page. I'm sorry that that's confusing. I went with the other one. Sorry. This QR code takes you to a lot of information, including some information about that guide book. OK. Appreciate that. Well, some of us have seen this before, because at the national level, the National Association of Counties, especially in the IT sector, they're really pushing technology. I mean, drone, lawnmowering machines, I mean, it's crazy the amount of stuff that's being pushed out there in agriculture, in traffic control, and you just name it there's so many automated things but this is something really big and at the national meeting the focus was on Florida so yeah it is it is absolutely yes because of our weather because of our clear skies because of our the fact we've already got so many travel pods built in and I'm already looking looking at the map going, well, my goodness, if this were real and we're happening, how easy would it be to go from Plano Gorda, either to Tampa, and then on to Tallahassee. But to try to get up to Tallahassee to advocate, this would help us immensely, because that six hour drive is a bear. So it's hard on anybody. You're right. Yes, sir. Makes me wonder about reactivating my commercial pilot solution. Well, apparently you don't have to, because these things are going to be flying by themselves. Eventually. Yeah, eventually. But they need a pilot right now. That's correct. Well, you're brave. You're brave. OK, any further comments? Thank you for bringing this forward though. Absolutely. Thank you. All right. We are up to public comments on any item. Anybody from the public wishing to speak? This is your opportunity. You'll have three minutes. So I wouldn't invite anybody on any subject. Anybody from the public? All right, I'm going to see anybody rising. We will go to staff comments, Mr. Gurum. Mr. Chair, yes sir, the staff correspondence is sent to you. It includes detailed staff and PO activities that we've been doing since April 1st. A couple of updates. We are actively seeking nominations for petty Walter Sidgins' citizens' mobility award and we are anticipating at least one nomination, sir. Again, staff could not attend the MPOAC meeting on April 24th, but I had an opportunity to introduce myself to the new MPOAC director, Amanda Carpenter. Again, staff is in the process of hiring a multimodal planar and conducted several interviews last week. We are actively discussing to extend an offer to one of the candidates. Lastly, it is a great privilege if working with LK and we definitely going to miss him. Thank you. That concludes my report. Thank you, sir. Any questions? Okay. Wayne, anything? Just to let you know, Chairman, I will forward the well wishes from the Board and staff to LK. I'm sure you will appreciate that. And again, I know that he offered his apologies and just wanted to reiterate that for not being able to make today's meeting. I appreciate that. Two things I had written down which I didn't ask during the F.report but I just wanted clarification. Any idea when the roundabout in Pontegaard is going to be completed and also they've drilled successfully the bases for signalization at Esplanade and 41 just before the bridge. So both of those, you know, for because they're putting signal in there as well. So I didn't know the timing on when the mass storms are being and when they might be actually operational. OK, I'll have to check on those for me and get back with you. OK, yeah, you can, you can just call me. And then, or email all of us, I guess, you know, I wouldn't think everybody else wants to know so we just give us an email update on those two items. Thank you, sir. Commissioner Dordor, anything? Just want to comment, again, wish LK the best, Wayne. You know, the opportunity is the county engineer way back forty-some odd years ago. I've known most since then since 1979 I've known most of the district one secretaries. And he's right up there at the top. He's a gentleman. He's a true professional. You brought back to my memory, Mr. Chairman, the M-Course Activity. We served together on that task force. He did an outstanding job managing that group. There was a reason he was picked. Yes, and I'll never forget the rest of my life, our last meeting where he held us. I think we didn't have lunch. I don't think he allowed us to go for dinner because we had to get that final report completed, right? I don't remember the whole timeline, but that last meeting was amazing, and we got the job, he kept us there till we were complete. Just despite this tension from some of the particular groups that were not interested in passing the item, and we're just kind of holding it up and- He kept his- Throwing curve balls, we just had to keep going. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Commissioner Thurmer. No comments. Thank you. Great meeting. Thank you. Councilwoman Polk. Yes, I just want to say that I went, again, I went to that Metropolitan Planning Organization Advisory Council meeting this weekend. And I learned so much. I really appreciate having the opportunity to go. Lacks, thank you for encouraging me to go. It was amazing. Most of the people who were in attendance were new to the board. And so we were just kind of learning how, I mean, most of us were six months like myself. And we're learning like what is our role exactly? Not just to say yes to some things that it already been pre-approved, but how to really get involved and to bring in the public and to get their input. So it was very interesting to me too that one of one of the things is of course funding. Everyone was complaining about there's not enough funding for this wish list, but surprisingly I wish I had this message think outside the box for practical solutions and without financial limitations. I think we have to remember that going forward. That's a really cool saying that he had. Something else that kind of got me was they talked about how important our decisions are as leaders, but also to take into consideration our complands and our land development regulations. In fact, Congressman Greg Stuby, it was interesting. He wrote something right after I had been to the event. It says the Sarasota County Commission just approved rezoning over 2,200 acres in Lakewood Ranch, southeast to allow up to 5,000 homes. The land located between University Parkway and Fruitville Road was changed from a rural designation to one unit per 10 acres to 3.5 units per acre, a 3,451 percent increase in density. I fully support private property rights, but you can increase density by that much without first addressing roads and critical infrastructure. I've worn the commission about this for years, and they continue to ignore the reality on the ground. We simply don't have the infrastructure to support this kind of growth. Fruitville Road is already gridlocked. Now imagine 10,000 more cars during the day. So it was interesting that he had written that and it really is our top priority is to think about the health safety and welfare of the people and to make it safe for them to be on our roads and that means our comp plans and our land development regulations have to kind of they've got to they've got to co-exist. That's all I have to say thank you. Thank you very much. We should say. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So for LK it sounds like in our discussion he's going to be in the Tampa area. So there may be a chance since he's in the private sector, he may be in this chamber for one thing or another with whatever company he's working with. So we may get to see him again. He was a real asset. I sat next to him for years since I'd been on here and very, very smart individual, whoever got him, got a good guy, that's for sure. And I think what you'll find out on this board, and you probably witnessed it today, we typically don't rubber stamp anything. We get our recommendations, we read it, we add a lot of discussion, we change things, and that's what we do. We listen to professional staff, we listen to public input, and we apply our own experience. In this case, living in the community myself for over 40 years, you're the same Ken, I think you've been here 52 years. 52 years and you've grew up here. I mean, so we understand the roadway. So you can see that interaction with staff and to make the necessary changes. I mean, that's what we do. And I think on our board, we do the same thing. I mean, you know, that's just how we operate. So I appreciate the comments. It's something that not just Charlotte County and our MPO has to grapple with, but it's the entire state of Florida. When you look at the numbers that we're seeing in these studies, the growth in Charlotte County is just unprecedented. I think it was over a 23 month period, like 30,000 people and 17 housing starts. You know, so those are the things we have to deal with, and what I would say to Representative Stubi is too, you know, some of the federal funding. You know, you understand, you know, they're asking everybody to move to the free state of Florida. Well, they listened. And since 2020, they're coming and they're not stopping. And I talked to commissioners as we all do, when you talk to council people now through League of Cities, we have Florida Association of Counties, I'm hearing the same thing, and I said this before, even in DeSoto County, people are complaining, there's not enough infrastructure, and that's a physically constrained what you would consider a rural county. I talked to commissioners from Santa Rosa County. They're a little bit bigger than us, but it's up in the panhandle. I mean, I don't care who you talk to. There's infrastructure, there's money issues, and... I talked to commissioners from Santa Rosa County. They're a little bit bigger than us, but it's up in the panhandle. I mean, I don't care who you talk to. There's infrastructure, there's money issues, and nobody can keep up. And a lot of these developments they already have entitlements to build. And now we have to deal with that problem. And there isn't enough money. Every bid we get, it's a bid buster. You're scared to open up the seal pit. There he goes. You know, it's like, do I really want to know what's in it? Even with our engineers estimate of costs, we can't keep up anymore with this construction inflation. So, you know, but, you know, we get to have these discussions, we prioritize, and we work on things to, you know, to get things done. So interesting comment, I appreciate that. And that's all I have, Mr. Chair. Thank you very much. I've made all my comments earlier in the meeting. I appreciate everybody's time. Appreciate the public coming out today and giving us good information. And we are next meeting will be in this chamber August 4th, 2025. Yes sir. Yes sir, August 4th, 25th. Yeah. Is it again at 2pm? Yes. So at 2pm. So with that, I appreciate everybody's time. We're adjourned. Thank you.