you you you you you you you Thank you. you I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. Hey Charlie. Hi Megan. How you doing? Up, I can't hear you. Something happened. Your sound. That's not it. Okay, I can hear you now. Are you sure? I am. I do hear you. Okay. Loud and clear. Let me turn you down on my little personal computer because it's getting paid back. Okay, now I've got no feedback, but can you hear me? I can hear you just fine. Great. So what's the weather like there today? What about in fourth? It's maybe in the fifties and some sun, some clouds. It's kind of that in between mud season type of weather. Yeah, the ski stopped for the the year eight. Yes. So Sunday was a closing day for Aspen and Snowmass. Snowmass' party was Saturday. Aspen was Sunday. And yes, everything is done. Wow. So Aspen did not extend. I'm surprised. Not enough snow, maybe. Yeah. I mean, that last weekend we had or that last couple days we had some nice snow to kind of end up the season, but I don't think it really built to the base very well. So. Hey Roy. I'm all done. Hi Roy. How are you? I just see you. Uh-oh, you disconnected me. You know, now? I always, I always like Roy's video. He's, he's always popping around. Not loading. I'm on my cell phone and it's sometimes I, uh, I can't hold it firm enough. And we've got Mike for that. Joining us as well. They give the bears out. You know, there have been some. A little boy. Yeah. Yeah. Some reports and nothing of consequence and snowmouse yet, but definitely some interactions and ask been already. They usually get them first, because I think our bears like to sleep in a little bit up here. Yeah, that made sense. We'll leave it that way. Megan, do you have anyone in the room with you? No one in the room would be currently. Greg was finishing up a meeting and he should be here right at 330 and I actually didn't get many emails in terms of who would be joining us or not. So and we can have a short meeting no matter what but we would need one more to like pass the minutes and have a quorum. But that always can be continued until the next time. That's no big deal. It may be done with us early. Go home. No, probably not go home. But yeah, there's always something to be done. We'll make a motion to make to send you home. How's that? Like it. Oh goodness. Wow, we have chances for a quorum. I mean, Jeff, Michael, Mayor and in to honor our possibilities. Yes, we all know John Orden is out of the country, I think, if I remember correctly. I think he's in Norway. Well, I just got some exciting news for my family. My daughter Emma, who is a sophomore in college, will be studying in London in the fall. So very, I hope that she's gonna do that. Yeah, that is exciting. Congratulations. Does that mean you're getting a program? Yes, it does mean I get to go visit exactly. I see. All right. Yeah, so that will be September to December. I've actually always wanted to be in London for a little bit near the holidays. and that will be fun to go pick her up in December and see Seen London for the holidays. Yep. Have you visited there before, Megan? Yes, I probably not as an adult. I went a number of times with family and as a young adult, but I haven't been to London in a long time. So I'm looking forward to being back there. Yeah, that'll be great. It got so much fun as well. Sorry. Sorry. long time. So I'm looking forward to being back there. Yeah, that'll be great. Great. Sorry. And Megan, my nephew is doing his semester abroad right now. Yeah, it's to be in all places in Rome. Cool. I want to talk about memories of the last time. Exactly. semester abroad. You know, it's just a one's just a fascinating time to be there. Yes, I agree completely. So we have Charlie, Roy, Mike, and non-voting member Tom, council member Tom, Fred Steen, and then Greg and myself in the room, nobody else. all right and and by your count, Megan, we need one more for a quorum, which means we do have a quorum. Okay. So hold on, Mike, Mike Meyer just is about to join one moment, please. No, I'm cute. Okay, now we have Mike with us too. Okay, great. So we do have a quorum. Hello, Mike. Hey there. Hey, I can't unfortunately only stay for the first 30 minutes, but hopefully that's enough time. If there's anything prior to the quorum. Well, we might be able to have our entire meeting in that window. We'll see how it goes. But thanks for letting us know, Mike. And so with that, I'll just go ahead right now since we have a quorum and call the meeting to order at 533 or 333, Colorado time. and accept a motion to approve the minutes that Megan distributed to all of us. I've had a chance to read them and I have no questions or changes to them. So moved. All favor? I like. Okay, minutes are accepted. And just just the two of you there. So I guess there would be no public comment. Right. Okay, so moving on into the administrative updates and discussion items. First item on the agenda is the part-time resident's survey results. And did everyone get a chance to review those? Yes. Yes. I did. I thought they were really, really interesting. I like to just go around the room and get feedback from everyone regarding your thoughts on On the survey questions and the responses and the comments that the participants made Mike Brazell, do you want to lead off? I mean, you know, overall, I think that I was glad to see the level of participation. And I think that there are, you know, good comments, good suggestions that we can act on. Okay, Mike Meyer. You know, I thought it was interesting sort of what came back. It's always a combination of very local issues. Like, hey, have like enough trash disposal in my neighborhood but that you know I think that's to be expected but it was really interesting that one question we have had on what's the priority of kind of town of snowmass projects you know it was like the town center redevelopment the roundabout like that to me was super valuable and interesting it's's just sort of what are the sort of the common themes for part-time residents. So I get a lot of value out of reading the responses. Roy? Sir, I mean to me the fact that people responded actually and we got the survey back was delightful to me because it's sort of the purpose that we wanted. Our people didn't even actually respond. And the fact that they took the time to respond was meaningful. I mean, I think, you know, the other thing that was interesting, like Mike said, around about and the employee housing, those are the issues that have been in the forefront of everything we see and read. And so it also kind of reaffirms that we're in a great place. And the issues that we talk about, the issues that are going on. And so I think I didn't take anything from there that we should do things differently or that we're not doing our job. I think we're right on it and I think people are generally happy with the place they live. So it was positive to me. Yeah, I agree with that. I was really impressed with the number of respondents we had. I think that blew away the results of the last survey that we did, I don't recall when that was, but Greg, you might recall last for this group specifically or survey and capital. Well, P-Trap survey. I have not worked here when a survey for this group has gone out. So it predates me it hasn't been done. And how long have you been here Greg? So I couldn't find anything in my records that there was a survey so not that my predecessor kept great records but I didn't see anything that had been done before. The responses is actually pretty good. I was telling my colleagues in a meeting earlier today that 107 responses is pretty good for a call to neighborhood level survey like this. We get about 300 on the annual survey and 12 for a project survey. So this was a little above average. Yeah, my recollection is we did one other survey as P-Trab. And it might have been your first year, Mike Mayer, but it might have also been before you. And I don't think it was as well written. I don't think the questions were structured as comprehensively as these were. I think it was a really good survey. And maybe that's why the responses were better. But I would call getting 30 or 40 responses the first time we did it. Tom, did you have any comments on the survey? You asking for my comments? Yes. Yeah. No, I thought it was great. Big response. And it's very interesting, you know, from my point of view, in terms of what projects people interested in, things like that. And again, like Mike said earlier, I mean, the comments range from, you know, I can't get a parking space to, yeah, much larger issues. So I thought that was really good. And I would hope that you'll send this to the council so that we can share it in council. Because there's a lot of good information. But could you just refresh? How is it? How did you get the, how did you send the survey out? How did you reach people? Great question. First, I would like to underline the total responses on the first question, you know, how satisfied are you with your overall experience? 86% of people said satisfied are very satisfied. So we can all pat ourselves on the back for being responsive, providing good service, all of that. That's really good spot to be in. As far as distributing the survey, I did it no differently than I would do any other piece of public information. It was direct email and a little bit of social media and it just got the response. But not to a P-Trad mailing list was just general, right? This went specifically to a part-time residence mailing list. I found it interesting that a couple people responded that they're full-time residents. Yeah, and so I can't help that. They started out at the part time and loved it so much that we can't full-time. Just like my red-dead question. Oh, go ahead. It could have been a lack of clarity in the question that could have been exactly like you're all joking about that somebody now lives your full time. There's always the chance that somebody it went to the HOAs as well. So somebody might have accidentally received it and filled it out. You never know with it, incidentals, but just I mean looking at the overall satisfaction, which was really what we were trying to gather this. people. People are generally satisfied. I'm gonna guess the next sayers are gonna be the qualitative comments that are negative are going to be aligned with the people who don't fit in this group so that accidental full-time year or full year-round resident, that kind of thing. Yeah, I read that question. I went back and read it again because I thought it was curious that someone or four people, I think it was by memory. As you said, Tom, identified as full-time, but I may have been one of those because the way I read the question the first time, it's, frequently during the year do you visit? And a lot of times we're out once a month, all year long. And so maybe they were full time, but it could have been a very frequent returning part timer. part-timer. Nor did you have any comments on the survey? Nope, not a whole bunch. But you're right about that question. It might be confusing. I can't remember what I answered. No, that's, no, you're absolutely right. So how often do you visit Stomach Village during the year? So an answer of year round is you come throughout the year, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. How much of the year you were here? Yeah. But I could have been converted to. I have friends that used to be part time, you all do too, probably, who are now full time residents and maybe still on the mailing list and said, oh, I'm gonna go ahead and take this anyway. Should we be making the results of this public and facilitate the dissemination of the results back out. Well that is why we have this agenda for today. We can do whatever you all want. I had a couple of comments on the survey. I was really interested in the right-in comments that people offered and it was really good information. In particular, there were two questions that struck me as being valuable to me anyway. Well, maybe three. I was surprised to see that the roundabout ranked as high as it did. It actually outranked. I wasn't sure how the scoring methodology that was used to Greg on it. It doesn't matter because I trust it. But the roundabout was basically tied with employee housing. Yeah. And, you know, my comments, I'll start with the last question, which question 10, are there any specific key issues you'd like Petra have to address. And I just found this fascinating because about 75% of them included either employee housing or parking and many of them both. And I think it's an overwhelming level of support from the part-time resident community for more employee housing. It just seemed to be an overwhelming issue that the part-time people support. But they were pretty clear in the comments I read that they're not willing to give up any parking, such as replacing parking lots with employee housing either in or above them. Charlie, let me just interject one thing there. Just to clarify, why I read that, there seems to seems to be and it runs through it a big misunderstanding. I'm not a proponent of building The employee housing on the upper lot but It was always intended to be built on a deck above the parking And not only would there be no loss of parking, it would be covered and want to be impacted by snow. So I just want to clarify that if anybody asked you, it was never to take away the parking. It was just built over the parking. Well, that's how I understood it as well, Tom. And, but it may not have been communicated that clearly outside of our group. Yeah. You'll recall a discussion at the council level maybe a year ago about lot 13 and that lease for the timber line. Romero had distributed some information that was incorrect at the time. That's been really tough to claw back that we were discussing. We view the council, we're discussing instead of the draw site, putting housing over the numbered lots at that point. Yeah. It was around the same time you were revisiting the workforce housing master plan to discuss why the draw site was the top choice, how it ranked in that analysis. And so just the timing was poor with um, Romero groups, um, misinformation. And so that's why it's still out there. People saw the email a year ago and never saw a correction. Yeah. My other comment was based on the question that I think was question three. How do you feel about the level of communication from part time resident from P trap to part time residents? And I found this one really interesting with the number of responses that said, well, I've either never heard of P trap or I've never heard from them. And I know that Greg has put out a value and effort to communicate on a regular basis. We've done our newsletters on a regular basis. We've done our two annual meetings. And we're always pressing. But you know what our last meeting we we did talk about the fact that we need to either get a better quality mailing list or have more outreach to the part-time community and I think that kind of came out loud and loud and clear in the responses to that question. Any comments on feedback on that? Okay. I mean, we've in the past have tried to work through the HOAs, right, to create awareness and communicate and, And I don't know, I may just be repeating what you just said, right? But we do the banners of the street, the multiple events. So it's hard to speak to why somebody may not be aware of Petra, but I don't know, I think some of our part-time residents have multiple part-time residences and probably a lot of communications that they just ignore. So I don't know, I sort of attributed to that. Yeah, it might be, but it just might also be that that community doesn't respond well to email as the primary method of outreach on our end. And so I think that does speak one of the ideas. Well, we have a couple of ideas, but I'm just going to kind of run, run through the ideas we had for better outreach. The ones we spoke about last week was the possibility of having an information table at the summer concert series. And I think there was an action item that maybe Greg, you were going to follow up on just to see the feasibility of that. I can't imagine it would be difficult to do. Just to remind the group, you tell us what day you're going to be there and we'll get the table. All that easy. All we have to do is staff it then. So the hardest part is having somebody here. Right. I think we also have an action item to try to improve our mailing list. Was someone going to reach out to the snowmass village HOA to see if I can't remember on that. I don't know if that was documented in our minutes. It was discussed at the last meeting. They are on our distribution list and as far as improving or making it easier to sign up for updates, it's on my list and I'll be very frank with you all because we're all friends. I'll get to it when I get to it. Hey, the, I mean, the realtor's contact us all the time, right? I think just to Pitkin County, kind of public tax records, you literally can just see all the snowmass village places in the physical address of the owner, right? of the the physical address is different than the location, that sort of implies it's own part time resident. But I don't know, were you asking about email specifically as opposed to like physical ownership contact information? Well, I was referring to him, yeah. Yeah, the thought came from John Orton and we'll pick on him because he's not here. He wasn't sure how we distributed things. And so his grand idea was what three chapters of the HOAs and distribute through them. That's practice we've been doing already. And so sometimes HOAs get multiple emails and it goes back to the sentiment that was mentioned earlier. There's a lot of noise and people will delete, forget, and subscribe. And so my job is to find that balance between what's too much and too little as far as communication goes. And I'll tell you, anytime I push out a good piece of information like this survey, I'll get a half dozen to a dozen unsubscribes because people just don't want to get this kind of information. I will hear from those very same people later in the summer when they didn't get the event and they're wondering why they or how they missed out on tickets to some special event and for the lawyers in the room, you can't have the suite without the bidder. Yeah. I sort of like the idea somebody mentioned about posting something like a QR code near Clark's market, you know, where the usual signups are. And maybe even printing takeaway QR codes at some town event so that people can easily sign on to the email. I think when you make receiving the emails very easy and signing up for them easy, you'll you may end up with more people. Absolutely. We've got that creative already created. It's getting distributed as things go out. So you've read the last part time resident newsletter. The last page has that exact image in there. So that's what we've been using. But if we can make that handy and, you know, not just on an email, but, you know, somebody will. Just an example if you want to see what it's like. It is being actively distributed. Good, that's great. So Mike, I think your suggestion is in addition to distributing it or now that we have it, getting it posted on the bulletin board outside of Clark's market at Snowmass Center. Yeah, or certainly there, and certainly at Town town hall and maybe a few other places where there's what I would call public community bulletin boards, maybe down at the rec center. I don't know. Just. We do rotate. Typically based on projects. So it's not just something that blends into the background. So currently, why should I say for the past six weeks or so? We've had an opportunity to weigh in on the draw site, the housing project up Town Hall Rec Center, Housing Office, Public Works, the transportation office, Clarks, really any public basing space. You'll see a post through that, has a QR code that allows you to give feedback to the council. The unfortunate thing is people it's an apathetic populace and people just don't care. It would do you think it would be possible Greg and Megan to get space at town hall for a specific P-Trab bulletin board. We can do that. I don't want to get all of your hopes up, but something that we are working on in my office and the division you don't see is some digital signage. And so having a rotating board, a big screen, when you walk in and it'll have panels that rotate through, dedicating panel space there, and it'll take us a year to actually get this implemented, but having dedicated panel space to the boards. So what's the environmental board working on, what is Petra working on, what's new from SOB, the Arts Board, just to kind of have a refresh of getting that information. It catches your eye when you come in. Yeah, that'd be great. What about a permanent space for just a regular bulletin board with the title P-Trap right above it. Can we do that? Then it would be our job, you know, to post things on it, which we would. But, you know, I think it's, what, what are the rest of you think about that idea of, of a bullet for our group for our board at Town Hall. Worth the maintenance effort or not. How many people actually got a town hall? Great. Yeah, not many. And honestly, I think it would be a town board, bulletin board So if SOB wanted to put something, if EAB wanted to put something, because I can't have 10 boards, one for EAB, one for SOB, one for whatever, for P-Trap, but I could have one board that could have some rotating information from any of the boards. That could work. You got a board board board board. I have a board board. So, maybe just to wrap on this topic and move on. What would be the right way for us to communicate this, these results from the survey to town council would it be in the form of a summary document or just sharing the entire, the entire survey. I have this nice PDF of the result, including the comments. If it was my intention to post it to the Petra page on our website, sharing with the town council so they've got a copy. And then I was going to send it as is to the same distribution list. And so either let's lets if you completed the survey, you get the results. If you didn't complete the survey, you still get the results, but I'm still going to shame me a little bit that you didn't contribute. Usually when I have these discussions with or through bodies like yourself, the discussion is centered around. Do we include the comments or not? And so I would start with that question to you all. There's nothing in here that I think identifies any individuals. So I don't really see an issue. But if you- Just the last paid for people said if they wanted to get beyond the mailing list, I would take that off. I would leave that out, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm good with that. I'll just send you a whole fine. That. Yeah. I'm good with. Yeah. I'm supportive. Yeah. So Greg, that's a that's a great action item. Thanks for offering to do that. And let's follow through just as as you said. Absolutely. Well, they're done. Anything else on the survey that anyone else would like to offer? Are we going to revisit some of the comments of suggestions? I feel like it's a really useful input for us as a group, just to see if there are some aspects that resonate with us. Well, I highlighted the comments that I thought were important, but we can take time here to to cover any others or add this for another discussion at our next meeting. Either way, cover it now or... Well, I mean, I feel bad. I just raised this and I'm going to have to drop for a work meeting. But I would have a lot of energy and just maybe just quickly going through it jointly as a group because I think we're always been talking about the scarcity of input. Now we have this like amazing body of content, right? And I feel like we should do something with it. So I think it's a great idea. I think the information is valuable. Mike, would you lead that discussion at the May meeting? I'll be happy to do that. Of course. So let's plan on doing that. Anything else on this topic. All right. Good discussion. Are there. Tom, would you like to give us an update on what's going on with town council and the various projects? Yeah, yeah, and I'm sorry the mic just signed off because on May 19th at the council meeting on May 19th, we are eliciting response from the community regarding the draw site housing project. We're pretty much got this thing wrapped, we will buy that. And before we put it into the approval process, we'd like to get some input from the community. So it's May 19th, it's the regular council meeting. You could connect by, you know, remotely. And we'd really appreciate people's comment at that time. Could you update us or just refresh our memory on the exact status of the proposal in hand Yeah, and where it stands in the eyes of town council. Yeah, so it is I don't know if we've worked on this for two years. It feels like two centuries, but it started with three buildings climbing up the hillside and then became two buildings on the hillside it's a very difficult site as you all know we now have it down to one building one larger building which makes a lot of sense on this site. So it's got about 64 units there, right, Greg? At 63, 64, 65, I'm not quite remember anymore. It seems to move every meeting, but yes. Yeah, right. In that order magnitude, the one that was... We had earlier with 78 units and two buildings out 64 but we actually have some the 64 units have more bedrooms than we had before so it's a good it's a good amount of housing ranges from one bedrooms to three bedrooms there is some underground parking because on that site you just have to do it, but it's much more rationalized that it was before. Be much more economical. We have some on site, not underground parking. We work very hard on the aesthetics of it to try to make it work as much as we can. Be responsive to our... We've worked very hard on the aesthetics of it to try to make it work as much as we can, you know, be responsive to our community character. It carries many of the materials and colors of Town Hall, which it's next to. I had still a big building and some people are going to react and say, we don't want a building but I think it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it forward with. Now that being said, who knows if we can afford it, what's going to be going on in the construction market over the next year? The goal would be to start construction a year from now, but Who knows What's gonna happen? So I mean that's where it is finally got it to a point and you know, I think it's really Journey for prime time So we'd love to get some community input. And then we'll put it into the approval process. It has gone through a first or a second reading at town council. No, no, no. Well, town council, where's two hats? Right now we're operating as owners, right? We're the developers. Once it goes into approval process, we put it on the other hat, which is the quasi-judicial approval process. So at that point, we staff basically is the applicant at that point, and we are reviewing it. Got it. OK. And that's why we wanted to get the input from the community before we Basically can't talk about it anymore, you know, then we're just Looking at it in terms of judging on it Is the information that's on the TOSV website? Current with the with the current proposal that you guys have I mean Greg is is it? Is it the most up to date? Yeah, okay. A recent images of God. Yeah, good. So as well, it was in the package last night. Is that correct? It'll be published before I leave today. Okay. All right, here's your answer. Okay, great. The roundabout we had a meeting on it recently. You know, we got the design to a good point. The question is when do we build it? Let me back up a step. One thing we've asked staff to do is create a master schedule of all the construction projects. The ones that we control, we really know about and the ones that we know about from private developers as well as the ones we anticipate both from ourselves and from private developers. So we can try to coordinate this. So we don't have all these massive projects this in and of one time. So hopefully that's underway. But a question is, we don't want to be building the roundabout at the same time we're building the draw site housing. Do one then the next. And so that we have many decisions on that yet. But that's what I do. We're ready to go on the roundabout if that is the will of the public and the will of the council, which has not yet been decided. What are other projects? The Laura at Schoolhouse, we've applied for some state grants. It's about an eight million dollar project. Time is already committed six million to it. We're hoping to cover the difference with some grants. We're waiting to hear on that. And again that would start next spring or could. thing. Oh, and the rodeo we're still looking at what we can do to beautify a little bit. Boy, nothing's been decided there yet. Does anybody miss anything, Megan or Greg? Good, all right. Little projects here and there, but if you're not here and now you won't even notice. Tom, the transit center? Yeah, okay, the transit center. Unfortunately, you know, we finally came to a design that we could all agree on just as the funding world disappeared. So what we're going to is finalize the design, have it shovel ready, get community input, get input from a lot of participants and be ready to go once the funding market, you know, IE, the federal government and the state government reappear. Because it's right now it's a 40 million dollar project. I know it would be in the future. But we remain committed to doing it. It's just win. Thank you. And then outside of all the work you're doing, the big news in the last month was the sale of view line to a new owner. And we all probably had an opportunity to read about that. I'm just kind of curious if you have any comments or thoughts on that news. don't know anything that's counsel more than what you read in the paper. You know, we have not any other information. Yeah, so you're not in you haven't been approached with a proposal. No, no, no, no, you will be probably right. no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, Megan, when is our next meeting? May 27. May 27. Okay. And I was trying to remember the reason that we had had this meeting today rather than next Thursday or next Tuesday. Or a meeting from usual right? No, it's a fourth Tuesday. Yep. That's not the last Tuesday of the month. It's the fourth Tuesday in the month. Oh, and this is the fourth. You got a lot of good data. I've made that issue too. I always get it. I got confused to a auto calendar did. Well, you answered my question on that. All right. Well, I don't have anything else unless anybody else does. Anybody want to say a adjourn? I'll move to adjourn. All right, we got a second from Norbert and meeting is adjourned. Good place. Have a nice evening. Have a great week. Good to see you all. But it's for the survey. That was a good effort. Thank you. Yeah, it was. Congrats again Megan on the on your and your upcoming journeys. Thank you. Thank you. I'll tell you. Bye. Hi guys. Take care. See you. Bye. you you