Welcome back. We are resumed at the workshop meeting of the Book of Riton City Council. It is Monday, April 7, 2025. The time is 250. We have some proclamations and presentations today. We're first pleased to recognize a proclamation for fair housing mount, fair housing month, excuse me. And I believe we have Roger Jackson who is the testing coordinator investigator from the Palm Beach County aid society here. So if you'll join me at the podium, Mr. Jackson, while Ms. Siddons reads the proclamation. Whereas equal housing opportunities, a right guarantee to all Americans under the passage of the Fair Housing Act, Title 8 of the Civil Rights Act of 1968 as amended. However, the struggle against discrimination and housing continues. And whereas for housing is consistent with the principles of equality and justice for all, principles upon which our nation was founded, principles we all need to fight for to ensure fair housing is a reality for all Americans. And whereas the laws of this nation and our state seek to ensure such fair housing is a condition of life, a critical component of family and community health and stability, an equality of choice for all transactions involving housing. And whereas in the honor of the 57th anniversary of the signing of the Federal Fair Housing Act, the city of Boca Raton is pleased to join in that celebration, providing an opportunity for all residents to rededicate themselves to the principles of fair housing, and to re-acquaint themselves with their rights and responsibilities under the law. Now therefore, I, Scott Singer, mayor of the City of Boca Raton, Florida. Do hereby proclaim April 2025 is fair housing month in Boca Raton, urge all residents to join the efforts to reaffirm fair housing opportunities for all people. All right, hello everyone. On behalf of the fair housing project at Legal Aid Society of Palm Beach County, I want to express our sincere gratitude with the city of Boca Raton for this fair housing month of proclamation. This recognition is meaningful, a meaningful reminder that our efforts to ensure equal access to fair housing for all are making a difference. Legal aid remains dedicated to providing education resources and advocacy to help building a welcoming, equitable, and opportunity rich communities across Palm Beach County. We will continue our commitment to this important work and thank you for supporting the ongoing fight for Fair Housing. Thank you. Thank you. And council members, would you like to gather for a photo? We'll just take a look here. Thank you. And now we have two presentations and the first one is from Discover the Palm Beaches. We're very pleased to see in the audience and have President CEO Milton Sagarra, Senior Vice President Gustav Weibull, to make the presentation. Welcome. Mr. Weibull. Good to be here. As Sergio P.A. Dress, Senior Director, Community Engagement and Advocacy. Sorry I do you want it on my cheek? Yes, that's right. No, that's all right. It's okay. I want to stay my name for the record just in case. But thank you once again for being a stop on our Palm Beach tourism road show. We were here a little over a year ago and we have some new stats and more information to tell you. First of all, let me just say thank you for being such a great partner. Book of Retone is vital to us and what we do. We are very happy to be sponsors of this year's 100th, the Centennial, I should say, rather. And happy birthday, I guess, come in sooner or later this year. But enough of me, we have some great stats to tell you, and some great notes to tell you, but we appreciate the opportunity to be here and always talk tourism. Thank you. I'm Gustav Weibel, student vice president of research, discovered the Palm beaches, and it's great to be back here. Last time I gave you an update and I explained where we get all of our numbers so to make it a little bit shorter this time it's going to go straight into the numbers here so this is a visitation to Boca Raton, the city of Boca Raton and 2024 versus the 2023 number which I reported last year. So it's just under 4% increase there at 1.35 million visitors. The entire county grew about 4.6%. So just slightly under there, still about 13% of all visitors in there. So one of the things that happened is the Boca Beach Collab was closed for renovations during part of the year in there. So that had some of an impact in there. But when I look at hotel performance here, the 3,335 rooms that are in the city of Boca Raton, they grew in roommates sold by 1.2% even with the beach call being closed for a few months out of that year and revenue increased about half a percent in there with the rate staying the same. This is what we're seeing in terms of the pipeline, so new hotels coming online. We have six hotels in the next four years. And what I want to kind of emphasize on this with just under 1,000 rooms coming online, depending on the scale of hotel, there's about a half a job to two jobs per room that are generated from this. You could see somewhere between 500 to 1 jobs would be created from all these hotel projects coming into the pipeline. We also measure all the impact of what we do as an organization in there. So every single dollar that we spend we generate $109 in economic impact. So we do this through a study where we're tracking back all of our efficacy and our advertising. So who's in our markets that are actually showing up and have been exposed to our ads plus all the great stuff our sales team is doing and bringing in meetings to the county and especially to the Book of Retone. The last way I want to touch on the tours and master plan here so we're kind of halfway through this project. It's just finalizing the all the research there. So a couple of the things in the research that we've done so far, this year's we had over 200 stakeholders interviewed across the whole county, and a 10 of which were specifically from the city of Boca Raton. And we've also gathered all the documents from all the cities, the county, master plans, planning documents, zoning documents, all that. And we've done a whole analysis on that to kind of get alignment between the county and all the cities and key initiatives that we can all, as a community, get together on that. As we wrap up all that research, there's going to be a report that kind of summarizes all of that. And then in June, we're going to have a visioning workshop workshops. We're going to invite everyone back to a workshop to see the results of everything that we've done and have some live polling and discussion and this sort of what are the next steps on this? What does all this mean? What are the actual projects as a community you want to focus on for the next 10 and 20 years in terms of tourism? And that's it for me and I'm going to welcome up our CEO, Nilton Sigara. Thank you, Gustav Good afternoon. Thank you Mr. Major and Council members. We're really happy to see how the city is engaging in the walkability project. One of the key components of any major destination in the world is the walkability factor. And the beautiful city of Boca Raton, I'm sure it's gonna be a great addition to the development not only for visitors but mainly for the residents, which is really important, how we improve the quality of place and quality of life of our residents. I just wanna share with you that very, in the same way Europe engaging with the community, we do as well. And the only reason why we can get this numbers that we're seeing across the entire county in which last year, excuse me, 2024, we achieved 9.9 million visitors is reaching out to our partners and communities to know exactly where the expectations that they have regarding and tourism. And one of the key components that we're explaining in all of our engagements is the importance of tourism and in particular destination promotion. We do marketing, of course. We market this destination. But the most important thing is how we promote the destination and the impact. And we have seen this, and I'm sure Boka is a great example of thousand, perhaps, of people that came here for the first time just to visit Boka Raton. They came here, they liked it, they came back. Once they came back, you know what, this is the place I want for my family, this is the place I want for me. I wanna live here. And after that, they said, you know what, I want to live here, I need to work here. And that precisely triggers in many opportunities the fact that maybe those individuals were in positions that they, you know what, I want to bring my company to Okaraton. I want to move my unit. I want to create a subsidiary in Okaraton. And that brought investment. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call the Vitality Will, which is start with destination promotion and that brought investment and that ladies and gentlemen is what we call the vitality will which is start with destination promotion and that's where exactly we are we are position all the efforts and the resources that we have is to how we can effectively promote the destination obviously through marketing and so many other things and the advancement of technology but at the end is how we can really promote because because at the end, and this is the last slide, this is important because this is a collective accomplishments that we've been able to do, which is to transition from a place that people wanted to visit to, we became like a very well-known travel brand worldwide. And now we have become a hub for development across any platform. From real estate, education, you name it lifestyle, social, we became that hub. Everything that happens here has a phenomenal opportunity to be successful. And that it's part of the destination promotion that we push forward. So we can really portray the vitality, the definition, the character of all of our specific cities and areas to make sure that it's a collection of experiences. And at the end of the day, like it says there, one of the most important part is the balance that we offer as a destination, that you cannot get in any other part of South Florida. As I wonder if I can many places in the world. And at the end, we portrayed the well-being and the prosperity that we can offer when you're part and you visit or you leave. And that's pretty much what we're trying to do. And with to accomplish that, we really thank you for your support as we have received the support of all the cities across the county and the county as well. And again, any other project, any help, any assistant that you need from us were here to work hunting and with you and we thank you so much for the opportunity to share this information with you. If you have any questions, we're more than happy to answer those. Well, thank you, Mr. President, by the way, your life cycle probably describes how all of us ended up in Book of the Zone. So, it's very on point. Council members, any questions? Please, Mr. Drucker. Thank you for being here. Thank you for the presentation. Just wanted to really thank you because you're a true partner. Thank you for participating in this centennial. I had the opportunity to visit the historical society of Palm Beach. They have a great little exhibit called. to really thank you because you're a true partner. Thank you for participating in this centennial. I had the opportunity to visit the Historical Society upon Peach. They have a great little exhibit called Wish You Were Here. It runs through June 28th, 2025. And the City of Bogey-Reton is really showcase there. And I know the Historical Society, and with your help, facilitated that. I didn't know what the exhibit was about when I got there. but it showed a lot of things around transportation, how we were part of that growth for the beginning until now, so if you have... I didn't know what the exhibit was about when I got there, but it showed a lot of things around transportation, how we were part of that growth for the beginning until now. So if you haven't seen that, it's called, wish you were here, it runs to June 28th, building the Palm Beaches. And I also had the opportunity by chance when I was up with Florida League of Cities, it was tourism and travel days, and I was up there, and I saw the booth and I took some pictures, pictures and a lot of the trivia questions which thankfully I got right or centered around pokerca Raton. So thank you for showcasing our city. So I appreciate it. I think your microphone is off though please. Hit the green button please. I just want to highlight the fact that Boca Raton is one of our pillars in terms of tourism. And you know, if you go to Spain, most likely you will visit Madrid and Barcelona most likely. When you come and you visit Palm Beach County, most likely you're going to visit West Palm Beach, you're going to visit Bokar Raton and some others. So it is important that we spread the message about come to the county, But also when you come here, you will be able to visit the pillars of the true experience of what we can offer as Florida's most established destination. So thank you so much and have a great afternoon. Great. Thank you. No further questions? Terrific. And now we'll turn for another presentation. I'll turn to our city manager to talk about continued financial excellence. Thank you, Mayor. I'm going to ask Sharon McGuire, our own B director, just to step up to the podium for a minute, because I have a piece of, I don't have a piece of data that I know she has, which is how many years in a row we have received this award. I don't know how far back it goes. have received a certificate of recognition for budget preparation from the government finance officers association of the United States and Canada. It's an acknowledgment of our fiscal responsibility and the work of the budget office and sharing how many years in a row now? 42, which is basically as long as the award has been given. So from the beginning until now, the staff has received the award. And Sharon would you acknowledge your staff people that have contributed so much to getting this done? We have Tamika Blake who is not here today and then Michael, middleman and Ryan Malt. So, our budget analysts. A small staff with a very large job that manages through their physically conservative and they're also the people that help us figure out how to get things done when we have a new strategic objective working with with the budget. And I acknowledge their hard work and thank for it. And it will deserve to work. And let us also acknowledge what applause. Thank you. I believe that concludes our presentations and proclamation. So we're turned to board interviews. And I believe the only board for which we have applicants who've applied. We have none yet for citizens, pipe, pedestrian and bikeway advisory board or historic preservation board or a structural engineer who's got experience with electrical engineering for the permitting and construction or view board. But we do have two applicants looking for reappointment on the education advisory board is either present Education excuse me environmental advisory board. Yes, there you are I was looking at you and then I missed said the board So please come on down give your name and address and they'll have three minutes to talk about why you want to continue to serve. Thank you Now it's on okay Rachel Bobick 140ick, 140 Northwest 7th, Street Booker, tone Florida. I've been on the board so far as one turn. Happy to continue that. The one thing that I would say that we have some of our other board members, members echoing tomorrow night is just the responsibility of the board and making sure that the nuances that maybe we ask for certain things to be pushed through or to be with held with the city is considered. And I know that's something that we've all been working on when people do come up to the advisory board but nothing has changed in my application and I would love to continue to serve. Thank you, Ms. Bowick. Thank you. Can I ask any questions? All right, we will make the appointments tomorrow night. You do not need to be present tomorrow night to be considered. We will consider you. Thank you. And Ms. Allen, I do not see. So very well, I hear that she'll be here tomorrow night, so we'll see her then. That concludes our board interviews for today. We'll now turn to item three. So, very well, I hear that she'll be here tomorrow night, so we'll see her then. That concludes our board interviews for today. We'll now turn to item three, public request. I do have a card from Ms. Monique Rambo, and then after that I'll invite Chair, sorry, if you moved 10 seconds earlier, Madam Chair, would have invited you up first. Then I'll invite Chair Wright to come on up. Ms. Rambo, please. Hi, Monique Rambo, 99th Southeast major Boulevard. I would like to start by thanking the Boca PD and the city of Boca for the increased traffic enforcement. We are seeing in downtown. We see it and we appreciate it. The police officer that I can see from my balcony gets people as people are walking by stop and thank him the whole time he is there, which I'm like stop thanking him so we can pull people over for speeding. On that note, we need to keep up the enforcement. We need to be consistent in order for downtown to see significant change in the driver behavior. I am also here to advocate for reduction in speed limit in downtown on Meisner, Palmetto, Camino, Real, and basically all of downtown. Enforcement and the drivers seem to be, enforcement starts at about 10 miles per hour over the speed limit is when people get pulled over. And I think that people kind of know that. And so this allows drivers to go at 40 miles per hour or even a little faster on residential streets such as Meister Boulevard. And this is way too fast. This is a residential street. Meister Boulevard has 14 single family homes. It has Meister Park apartments, Tower 155, 200 East condo, five new town homes, Palmetta Place condominium, Alena Towns in place, there's also Royal also Royal Palm Plaza and two churches. So that is residential, 99% residential. We still have problems at pedestrian crosswalks with drivers flying through them, even if they're flashing. We still have problems with drivers not stopping on red lights before making right hand turns. This makes it very dangerous for pedestrians coming across when a driver does not stop, even though the pedestrian has the right of way with the walk sign when they come through and just make the right turn without stopping. We still have drivers running full red lights and stop signs in downtown. I see it pretty much every day. There are a lot of drivers still texting and driving on their phones, not paying attention and driving. So we need the drivers in downtown to slow down. And I think reducing the speed limit 10 miles per hour, because when they're going 40, 45 on myzer way too fast, it's dangerous. And just on a side note, we appreciate the downtown connect. It's a great idea. It's great for downtown. I haven't used it yet. I've used the one in Delray, but I'm sure I'll use this one. But what I have noticed is around Royal Palm Plaza. They're not stopping at stop signs. They're running through stop signs. I know they're in a hurry, but we just need to make sure that they slow down and obey our traffic laws in downtown. And I've reported that on my Boca, so they know, but I just wanted to make it apparent to everybody. Thank you. Chair Wright, Mr. Rourke. I'll be quick. I'm double dipping. Andrea out with the in a rock 100 southeast 5th Avenue Boca Raton. I meant to say this when I was up before I've advocated for years. We made it so far with Jeff's back and welcoming Mr. Kameho home to Boca. We could really should have a city architect. So I've said this for many years. When I was up there, I keep saying it. So I just want it on the record. I meant to say when I was speaking before. And I will echo Ms. Drucker. We went to wish you were here. Georgia and I went there to the exhibit at the Palm Beach Historic Society. It was fantastic. We loved it. So thank you for everything and just keep in mind City Architect. We'll just finish it all up. Thank you. Chair Wright, welcome. Hello everyone, friends and colleagues. Can't see you with my glasses off but I can't read with my glasses on. Erin Wright, 4 436, write 14. You two, what's best? Time for Bifocal, join the club. So I'm here. And you guys haven't talked about the e-bike ordinance yet. But we have a meeting, and I have things to do beforehand, so I wanted to get up now just to talk about it. As I'm here with two hats, I guess, as a parent and a resident and then as a commissioner. I don't know if you guys know much about e-bikes, I didn't. But there's three different classes of e-bikes. And I'm sure you guys got information on this from the city attorney or whoever is providing you information. But there's one in three that don't go above, I think, 20 miles per hour, and then class two that goes, or class three that goes up to 29 miles per hour. But then there's also e motor bikes, and those can go up to like 37 miles per hour. And that seems to be the issue at least in our neighborhood, and I'm sure we're not the only neighborhood that has that problem problem but they fly. And these are 12, 13, 14, 15 year old kids flying in the neighborhood with brains that aren't the best at making decisions. I mean physiologically right? So and we have lots of young children in the neighborhood, walkers, runners, people on actual bicycles. So I just want you guys to keep that in mind. And I know local ordinances can restrict from the base of what Florida does, I believe. So just please make it as strict as possible. But then on my other, my commissioner hat, for purposes specifically for North Park, I'm hoping that you guys will specifically talk about ordinance for e-bikes for parks specifically because North Park will have lots of trails. We're having a mountain bike trail. We don't want any electric anything in that park at all. Number one for safety for the walkers and the bicyclists and the kids who are going to be on the playgrounds, there's going to be the dog park there. Having motor vehicles of any type in the park is a bad idea. So I'm hoping that you guys will restrict any electric vehicles, even scooters, bikes, whatever, at all in the parks. If you need to do it specifically for North Park, I think it should be for all parks, but North Park specifically will have the mountain by trail and the multi-use trails. So I think that's really, really important, and I just wanted to let you guys know that. And hopefully when you talk about the ordinance and the things that you guys put in place, I'm hoping they're as strict as possible because they are a big safety concern. I think among a lot of parents, I'm not one of the parents that buy my kids an e-bike. So, I mean, the safety for the kids themselves who are running those e-bikes and the kids who are playing in the neighborhoods. So, just keep that in mind. Thank you. Thank you, public request. Anyone else? Mr. Anjin. Jonathan Anjin, 65-01, Congress Avenue. So I think you all understand my biggest pet peeve or or advocacy point is property rights. I fought so hard for the zoning in this district. I fought so hard for parking to change because you gave us a great gift in allowing medical. However, without appropriate parking, we wouldn't be able to use that use in many, many, many of the office buildings around here. But in hearing some of the dialogue at the Dias lately, I was a little concerned with a distinction that had been mentioned being an outpatient surgery center. wanted to be clear, the word outpatient in the entire City of Boca Raton code is mentioned four times. The definition, MC, parking, and one other point. The reality is when parking was passed, it did define emergency room as considered under that. However, it was in relation to parking. And the reality is, as a property owner, whether it being the outpatient surgery center that's across the street on Glades Road that I think maybe you had worked at. I'm not sure which one you worked at. That's not an MC. So the reality is outpatient surgery centers are in many, many other places other than the MC. And I don't know if you've looked at the zoning map, but MC is a teeny, teeny portion, which some may call them a monopoly called the Bocca Ritone Hospital. And I think it's sad that such restrictions are being exercised and I think inappropriately because that discussion, I think it should be re-heard, was in relation to parking in the emergency room. And I hope that that use isn't taken away from Lurp because it isn't defined other than in the M.C. And they do exist in many other places. So I'd just like to maybe define that or maybe consider that as you may consider other things in the future, maybe tomorrow night. Because like I said, I don't like government intervention in what's best for a community. And the state I also want to say does do some great things preempting local government. To hear Governor DeSantis talk about maybe getting rid of property taxes, maybe you all may not like that because that's what funds this city. But you heard about tourism. Tourism pays nothing towards our keeping this place beautiful. Sure they pay businesses and things like that. The CIMD wouldn't be happening if it wasn't for the Live Local Act and the 2500 units. So good things do happen at the state level which allows a city such as this to develop and to grow and to state. So I just like to not focus on just the negative things that are being done at the state level and there are many good things that have happened that have helped all including the city. Thank you. There are. Yes. Anyone else wishing to speak under public requests? All right. That will close the time for public requests. I don't believe we had any questions that weren't answered and I know Ms. Brambo has been staffed in contact with the police department. Mr. Brown? Yes. All right. Very good. Thank you. So now we'll turn to review a regular agenda items. Council Member, please. My understanding, Mr. Brown, is during the FDOT discussion of federal highway is that there was a discussion on the reduction of speed limits by five miles an hour or something like that. Is that your recollection also? I don't recall I'll have to get with staff. I thought there were. I thought there were. At least I could have sworn that they said they were considering reducing at least by five miles an hour there. So you have to look into that. I'd appreciate it. Thank you. And on that known Mr. Brown, I believe as we've had our conversations about Plomato Park Road, one of the things staff has looked at, including in some of the designs that we're not showing on the slide today, in the back of our folder, where... Mr. Brown, I believe as we've had our conversations about the Polar Park Road, one of the things staff has looked at, including in some of the designs that we're not showing on the slide today, in the back of our folder, where if we shrink the lineage on Polar Park Road, the width of each lane, that it might have a concomitant reduction in speed. It has a calming effect, yes. Yes, all right, very well. All right, well thank you. Anyone on Ms. Nackles? I can just add to that too that I've had discussions with Mr. Brown and Mr. Beer about putting a speed feedback sign on Palmetal Park Road as well as looking into decreasing the speed limit. So I know Mr. Bear has been looking at that for our five blocks of Palmetto Park Road. Mr. Rucker. Yeah. And conversations that we had and it's good for the public to hear this because the speed reductions are something that in traffic calming systems will really help with that speeding. Of course, when you reduce speeds, it might be a little bit more traffic because you might be waiting a little bit longer. So remember, for something good to happen, we have to change the behavior. So just be aware that I am all for traffic calming devices and speed reduction is a big thing as a transit. People that were up here are trying to advocate for public safety. But then we'll have to make those adjustments on our everyday lives. I think that's important to start explaining that. And I know I've had multiple conversations with Mr. Beer looking at cities like Tampa, who have incredible vision zero policies, and they have incredible, and they've been doing speed reduction, Jacksonville, cities throughout the state, that I've looked at myself, and I've been able to walk and have tours from my TPA hat on traffic calming and speed reduction, and how it saves lives, and it also keeps the community safe. All right thank you. Now we'll turn to review of regular agenda items. Council members, any questions concerning any items on tomorrow night's agenda? Seeing none, then we'll move to future agenda matters and the first one is our government campus partnership and I'll turn to Mr. Brown. Thanks Mayor Andrew Lukasek, Deputy City Manager. We'll bring us an update from staff on where we are with the campus redevelopment partnership opportunity. Thank you, Mr. Brown. Mayor, Council. So, three things I wanted to touch base with you on today. One is scheduled design charts with Terran for Zubbee Groups. Second is just a little bit of information on an introductory meeting that we're planning on having with the Terran Frisbee Groups as well as extended staff. So I want to talk a little bit about that. So you're familiar with that concept. And then talk a little bit about city hall and what we're doing both in terms of swing space issues and thinking about the longer term situation in the downtown plan. So going first to the design chart. So we're planning on two design charts in the not too distant future. Hopefully April, but probably drifting into May a little bit. Initially they were thought to, we were trying to put those together to help inform what Taren Frisbee were going to submit as it relates to the interim master plan. So as you may know, May 12th, they have a deadline to submit an interim master plan. Okay, and then that's something that you, the council will, seeing as a council, will take a look at and give them some feedback. So we wanted those sure hats to help inform that. Now these shwets are not what Mr. Speck was describing. They're not multi-day. There'll be a couple of hours and we'll have two of them. One, probably during a weekday night, a weeknight I should say. Another probably a Sunday during the afternoon. So I've gotten some feedback that some of our weeknight events can preclude people who are working from being able to attend. So I want to make sure that we get that opportunity for people to come on the weekend. So the intent was informed the InterMaster plan. It might be the case giving schedules that we have one, it gives the Terran Fris B group a little bit more information. We can have another one even after they submit the interim master plan, because they'll have more data still to work with. So I wanted to let you know about that. That was coming. I'm working with the Terranfors B group to try to secure those dates. Not sure exactly what's going to work for them yet, but we're hopefully by the end of the week, I'll have something and we can make that announcement. So be in the lookout for that. That's coming up. Oh, and then adding to that in our kickoff meeting with the adult group and Jeff's back the other day, we talked about having all to make sure that they're coming to attend some of those meetings too, so they can listen in and hear what is going on and provide some input. Moving on to the introductory meeting. So we are scheduling a meeting with the Terra Frisbee group and their consultants as well as our extended staff team. So obviously a lot of staff have been involved in the project. They understand the goals and objectives. They've seen the plan. But not everybody that's going to be involved in the review of the plan and the infrastructure and all components of the project have been as exposed. So the idea behind this introductory meeting is to get the Terran Frisbee groups together with their consultants, get our extended staff, and maybe even our consultants together in the same room. So we can do a couple things. One is talk about the plan, get everybody familiar with the plan, and I have an understanding of what the goals and objectives are. Get everybody somewhat acclimated into what some of the details are. That way everybody who's listening, they can start asking some questions, make some observations, maybe even provide some just off the cuff observations that could be incorporated and the plan is reviewing along. So it's a real informal way of just trying to get everybody engaged. Secondly, get everybody familiar with one another. There's going to be a lot of collaboration involved with trying to move this project quickly. We have an October 31st deadline to try to have a partnership agreement in place. So trying to move through all of the components of the analysis of the plan and the project and the financial components of it, I'm going to take a lot of work together. So it's an opportunity for the folks who are going to be working together and get to know one another and meet. The third thing with this is trying to get us organized into work groups. So there are a number of things that are happening as part of the interim agreement. So you saw that we had a lot of milestones and things that Terran Frisbee group need to do and submit to us in terms of studies and analysis, and then in turn, the city will have time frame to be able to respond and be able to feed and inform Terran Frisbee what they need to do moving forward their plan. So we'll have a number of work groups set up that are based on some of those milestones in the interim master agreement. Surveys, geotechnical work, some of that stuff is already underway. So there are already on site working on that and they're scheduled to give us their feedback in late May on all that work from an infrastructure and utilities perspective. They are, they'll be doing some work that I'll take them through June 30th as a deadline to submit their information. Now what I hope will happen as part of these work groups is that as opposed to the last day where they submit something June 30th, their team is working with our team and we're reviewing preliminary information so it's not, oh here's our final report, take a look at it. It's happening fluidly throughout the process. So those work groups will help us help inform what's going on early so that we can move through rapidly. Mobility and traffic, along with the financing and capital plan, those studies are due in early August. So it's going to be important to, again, make sure that we're working collaboratively because mobility and transportation are coming along at the same time the financing and capital plan are coming along. There needs to be some conversation before that financing capital plan hit our table. So this introductory meeting that we're talking about is going to be really important so that we start having that dialogue and that review is fluid. So those are a couple of important things that are happening along the way. That meeting is also going to be informative as we start developing our Gantt chart to manage the project and make sure that we have a good understanding what the timelines are as well as a communication and project management tool that we're going to need for the Terran Frisbee group as well as staff so that we're always talking. We've already, you know, even with something as simple as making sure that we get the Terrible Frisbee team on site. The Public Works and Engineering team had a hard time making sure that things were coordinated properly. So we want to make sure that we have that tight and we have a good platform and package together so that we can expedite that communication back and forth. Lastly, City Hall, a couple of things going on with City Hall. One is that we have requests for proposals not in the way that we think about requests for proposals, but from a real estate perspective. We have requests for proposals out to four property owners asking them for their costs associated with some lease options and purchase options on some properties that we've identified that would be suitable for city operations going forward. So we started getting the preliminary data in already. I would hope by the end of this week that we have all that data, CBRU, help us digest that and help us do a little bit of analysis on it to help understand what our best options might be. Going parallel with that, we're also working on our space needs analysis. So CBRE is working with us on that space needs analysis. Doing some internal interviews, starting to look at opportunities in terms of how we can organize ourselves functionally. And what we might really, truly need in terms of space so that we can maximize the return on our dollars. If we don't need some space because we revise some practices as it relates to how we work, it could be hybrid in terms of working from home versus working in the office. We want to explore those and make sure that we have our arms on that so we can be as cost effective as possible. So we anticipate that that space needs analysis will be done mid to late May. I'm going to say it's probably closer to mid May. And then we can start making some real decisions about what happens from a city hall perspective probably in June or so so we can start informing that plan and start making some decisions. And that's what I have for you this afternoon. Happy to entertain any questions that you might have. Council members? Mr. Wigther. Thank you. Thanks very much. Thanks for all the conversations we've had beforehand. Can you just also update us? I know we've had conversations about it about how you think that the CRA might need to amend its plan and of course it'll be participating in some of the CRA specific financing but how do you think that you were talking about it with me briefly? Yeah so I would anticipate that there is going to be some amendment to the plan ultimately. As we discussed we don't know what that mix of financing is going to be. We don't know what the TerryIN Frisbee responsibility is going to be versus the city responsibility or the CRA responsibility. So as this work happens with the work groups and we start to understand what the expenses are going to be, who, what entities should have responsibility for that expense. We can start developing a strategy as it relates to what we need to do to amend the CRA plan to be able to address some of those expenditures going forward. So it's in the game plan, it's part of the process. Just don't know exactly what that timeframe looks like yet. Thank you. For the comments, questions? I have some. First, thank you. Some observations, Mr.. Brown and team I Think it's good that you're working on some of these extended staff meetings But I thought that was part of the process already. I know that we have had regular meetings with Terran Frisbee I hear a lot of planning or planning and Are doing the current and future progressive tense or present tense. No present progressive and future progressive tense. I'd rather it be more past tense. We have planned or past perfect. I'm not perfect. There we go. Grammar aside, I think it's imperative that we keep moving the ball forward and that even at our next meeting we are you know updates on the decision points out there. I think Mr. Lucas said you were right that you don't want to wait until the end of one process to see problems and so it's got to be iterative and integrated. To that point I think it's imperative that we have at our June workshop meeting and our CRA meeting and council meetings if necessary for a vote. an update really on where we are with this campus plan. You said it might be in June on our space needs. I think the council should have options presented to us on where we are, even if you don't have all of the information. But I think by then you will. I know you're already out there with third party swing space and potential other space. But as that unfolds, we need to be able to discuss about it in June, because that's our only bite of the apple, unless we have that special meeting. We've already had some. I think the public would like not to have more, and I would like to have it move further along. You talked about the financial plan. I think that's also something that we're going to have to consider even earlier than early August. and council members, they see some heads shaking in agreement nodding yes, but I'll turn at the end. I think as you come along, maybe even in Jude, to get an understanding of how many square feet we're looking at, therefore what is the cost and what are the financial plans? Having that discussion earlier than August will help in light of some things that might have to be done even by September 30th. So if you all agree with me, if we got that timeline sounds reasonable, I think we can have staff just for four back in June and keep reporting back, including in two weeks, and I'll turn first to Ms. Drucker or Mr. Wigter. Just a point of clarification. I thought you said Mr. Locasic, space need analysis by men may to us. He's the mayor said June meeting, so I want to make like that's what I wrote so I'm not sure. So will so the space needs analysis will be wrapped up by. Oh, then okay, wrap it up. Meeting so I want to make like that's what I wrote so I'm not sure So will so the space needs analysis will be wrapped up by So it'll it'll it'll take a little while to digest it and figure out okay, what what direction should we go in? Okay, that's what the mayor was referring to Mayor may if I could just clarify real quick. I know I was saying Hey, we're working on this piece and to forward. The reality is, Terra Frisbee is working incredibly diligently right now, just trying to gather all the data that they've gotten over the course of the past couple weeks, trying to use that information not only received from the public, but also from the city to inform their plan before they start going into these shirats. So I don't want to say that what I'll say is that they've been incredibly preoccupied just trying to get that work done. We've been talking about how we're going to structure all this all of this work. I anticipate by the end of the week I'll have a good game plan with their points of contact. But I don't want it to sound as though, hey we're sitting here waiting because there has been a lot of movement going on underneath the surface of the water. So I just want to make sure that you have that comfort. Thank you. And to that end, thank you if there are specific terrifrees be committed to moving this along at a great speed or not a great speed at whatever speed necessary because they're the ones who have the financial incentive as to we. So if they're being a bottleneck, let us know and we can talk to them. I'm not saying that you are saying that. Yes, I'm not saying that at all. But they have been working diligently to try to pull this plan together. And I know we have been too. So it's about ensuring that everyone's moving in the same direction at the same time. Yes. Mr. Wigter? Yeah. No. I, yeah. If anything, I think it's probably on our side where we have so much due diligence to do. And like you said, there are certain things where I do agree with you that where they could go on a parallel track, space needs, things like that. There are certain things which, you know, the investigation of the due diligence will drive the capital planning, the financial planning. Obviously, the easy one to think about is infrastructure, you know, and, you know, those kinds of things is, you know, we're going to have to, you know, really do some, you know, hard looks at what's the infrastructure for this sector, you know, not just for this, you know, for the next 10 years, but, you know, for the next 60 years. So, you know, when we're looking at super long range, you know, planning,, I think there's going to need to be some significant research before we can make those capital decisions, those true financing decisions. So I have a feeling that the developer will be waiting on us for a lot of these things. But to your point, absolutely, there should be, you know, milestone checkpoints as often as possible and as needed, you know, in order to say, hey, how are we doing with this? Because like I said, it's a huge project and we're gonna need some fluidity and the, you know, some flexibility in the timing just with the project of this nature. For right. For the questions. I actually have one more I'm going to anticipate one from Ms. Morrow. Could you give an update on our partners and our efforts to continue to address concerns specifically about tennis as we've addressed them as we are addressing them all about recreation? You know, Mr. Brown's talked about some of the exploration we've done in terms of different options for tennis. I'll tell you that the Terraforsby group is, like I said, they are listening and they are trying to determine how to address some of the things they've heard and I know that they've heard the tennis issue. So I anticipate within the next couple of weeks, Probably less than that next week or two. We'll start hearing about some of their plans as it relates to tennis on the site itself. In addition to all of the other work that is being done in terms of providing tennis as a resource. Thank you for the questions. All right, we'll open up the floor for public comment on this particular item. Anyone wanting to talk about the campus partnership? Mr. Ongian. Jonathan Ongian, 65-01 Congress Avenue. So I know it's a public private partnership. I know you're considering this in the downtown. I was just curious about funds that are brought into this. Do they go to the CRA in the downtown or does it go to the city as a whole regarding that? So because it is a city campus residing there. Additionally, I heard in the discussion, Mr. Thompson brought up the campaign contribution clause that was missing from this. I heard in that discussion that maybe we consider that Ross and other people do the same thing, which I found to be baffling and mind blowing because that's a very slippery slope. Anybody who applies for anything doesn't get selected that they would be restricted in such a campaign contribution. I found that to be very questionable. And lastly, the CIMD trial rail had to contribute, had to basically pay towards trial rail, reduce trial rail rates. The PMD property owners had to pay transit Fees. 791 is coming in front of you very shortly. And I asked the question at PNZ and no transit fees any longer. The answer that I heard from Mr. Shad there was, I think lacking a little common sense. And I hope that you listen to that because they're getting more units per acre. The whole idea of this is in the nature of PMD and if the city is no longer requiring developers to pay transit fees, what are you doing for the other people who for PMDD, who continue to pay transit fees and as there continues to be more and more development, why they're in essence carrying the bill for that. So I think that's something that this city needs to look at considering going forward. And as you're now bringing circuit across the bridge, and I don't know if it's all just in the downtown, I didn't get into the weeds of it. But I continue to say this part of town and this bus that we have driving around, waste and gas that's nearly empty, providing subpar service, this is the prime area to be shuttling people to the trial rail and apply good money instead of bad to the shuttle that continues to happen. This should have been where it happened because you already given money and the services are not good for the environment, not good for the rider and could be much better. Thank you. Thank you, anyone else wishing to speak? Ms. Borough. I have 384 petitions that these are people that I personally talked to and he just mentioned something about the shuttle. And I'm sorry your name had addressed me so far. Oh Judy Morrill, 1305 Northeast Fifth Avenue. Boca Raton, Florida, 33432. So of these 384 people that I have personally gotten to sign the petition to save the tennis courts, they tell me all kinds of things. And he was just mentioning the shuttle. A lot of the people that sign, they mentioned to me that the shuttle's good, they can get places, but then they can't get back. But that's off. That wasn't what I came up to talk about. The other thing is what I really really really really would appreciate and so with the residents of Boca is if the city council or whoever works for the city can show us the proof, your proof of the people that want our 10-clade tennis courts to be removed and our green space to be totally cleared and put up because people keep asking me, Judy, why don't you make a petition instead of just for 10 clay tennis courts? Why don't you make a petition to stop this ever development? Why don't you try to get it on the ballot as a referendum? And so if you all could put this on a referendum, then you could fairly and justly say, okay, the residents of Boca want this or they don't want it. But nobody has shown me proof that people want it and these 384 people that I personally talk to, they tell me they want to keep green space and they want to keep 10 clay tennis courts. Thank you. Anyone else wishing to speak? All right. Thank you. That concludes public comment. Mr. Brown, I know as we, I don't know if we have the answer yet on all the financial details, but that's something that we will be working through in response to Mr. Anjian's question to about the flow of funds and all of that. Absolutely. All right, thank you. And then Ms. Morrow, you mentioned your number of petitions. Would you like to share them with the city clerk or at least one? You've mentioned them but it's hard for us to respond to what's in a petition when we haven't seen it. So. I'm talking to the nice lady on the end. Oh, very well. Alright, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Well, if you'll share them with the clerk, that way at least we can see them. Because you've talked about them, but we haven't seen them yet. You don't have to do it right now. I didn't expect and there are a cut. Thank you. We have we have a photo copier too if you'd like to bring those in. So that concludes that item. We'll now turn to discussion of e-bike regulations, Mr. Brown. Thanks, Mayor. I will excuse my voice this afternoon. I want to give a little background on e-bikes and Florida statutes. As was mentioned earlier, there are three classes of electric bike. Class number one is a bicycle where the motor provides assistance only when the rider is pedaling and it assists only up to 20 miles an hour. If the motor stops at 20 miles an hour, if the rider can go faster than 20, it's on their pedal power at that point. Class two, the motor can provide assistance without pedaling and it ceases to assist to 20 miles an hour. So you can basically ride without pedaling up to 20 miles an hour, and then you have to kick in with some physical effort. Class 3 provides assistance only when the rider is pedaling, and the assistance stops at 28 miles an hour according to the statute. So there are those three types. The statute provides that an e-bike is equivalent to a bicycle and pursuant to the statutes we are allowed to regulate bicycles. The statute makes it clear that the city of electric bicycles are vehicle to the same sentence of bicycle, but the statute is not construed to prevent a local government from adopting an ordinance governing the operation of electric bicycles on streets, highways, sidewalks, and sidewalk areas under the local government's jurisdiction, or preventing the, preventing municipality from, that has jurisdiction over a bike path, multi-use path or trail network, from restricting or prohibiting the operation of electric bicycle and a multi-, bicycle path, multi-use path of trail network, or on a beach. But we don't have that problem here. I don't think anybody rides a bicycle on the beach. So we did a little bit of research. The Neptune beach was particularly concerned about people riding electric bicycles on the beach and they prohibited them. And the city of Winter Park prohibits bicycles, electric bikes, scooters, et cetera, on certain sidewalks in certain areas of the town. In other words, they have business zones where you can't ride these things except on a bike path. We are not prohibited by state law from regulating e-bikes, motorbikes, scooters. It's very interesting that according to state law and city code, you cannot roll your skate in the street. You can only be on the street when you're crossing the street on your skates. These are existing rules. If the council's interested staff can work on an ordinance that would for just as an example, we can we can make a matrix of possibilities. But as was mentioned by Chair Wright from the Beach and Park District, we may want to restrict bicycles and ebicycles, or just ebicycles and scooters on trails in parks, for example. We may want to say on the El Rio Trail a bicycle is OK, but an electric bike is not. We have that kind of flexibility. So it's really a matter of getting a little bit of direction from you all. If you want us to do perhaps create a matrix of options and say, you know, places and types, do we want to say these electric bikes, scooters, et cetera, are allowed here or not allowed here versus scooters versus skates versus whatever it might be. That's an update. I'll be happy to try to answer any questions. Thank you, Ms. Ackles. Thank you, Mayor Singer, and thank you, Mr. Brown. And yeah, I've been thinking a lot about ebikes lately, especially since there was the deaths of two young boys recently on e-bikes. And I'm having some conflicting feelings because e-bikes are good, you know, supposed to be good for the environment, you know. We're a race to zero city, we're a vision zero city, and don't want to restrict something outright that could be a good thing. And that has been a good thing. For many people, many people can't afford cars, they can't afford, you know, they get to work on their e-bikes. When my kids lived out in Colorado, they rode their e-bikes everywhere as did all of their co-workers, rode their e-bikes everywhere. So, and Chair Wright had also mentioned the emotos, which I read that they can go up to 40 miles an hour, but with speed controls bypassed on them, they can get up to 60 miles an hour. And it's very difficult to see and know just from the lay person which e-bike is going by. One of the rules is they have to have the classification on the bike themselves, whether it's one, two, or three. But when they're speeding by and there's one officer like how are we going to enforce whatever we come up with? It's going to be, I think it's going to be a good one. Well, one potential. And this is what the city of Neptune Beach did in their regulations, not on the beaches, but in other places. Is they didn't prohibit anywhere. They defined what reckless was, reckless use of the e-bike or scooter, and said, for example, it can't go more than 15 miles an hour. That's something that could be clocked, if you will. Will for a want and disregard for the safety of persons, operating in managed, unresurable risk of harm to person or property, or operating in a manner that's not reasonable. Again, this would be an enforcement issue. Significantly, you have to be there and observe, and then we're dealing with the one disregard, whether or not, you know, those aren't clear cut. Every case would be a case to be established and adjudicated. So that's something to consider. I think that if we were to enact, let's say we say no e-bikes on trails in parks, this is an example. Enforcing it would have to be observed, but signage would probably improve the situation somewhat. And that's one of the things I was thinking about as well with this. If we were to say no e-bikes on sidewalks in the city of Boquerayton or in downtown or whatever we might choose, the best way to educate would be through signage because that way we know we get to somebody who's actually on an e-bike on the sidewalk. But where will we put the signs? How many signs do we want to have one at every intersection? No, you know, those are all those balance things that we'd have to think about if we're going to regulate. Right. So there are, as far as enforcement goes and as far as awareness goes. So I had written down some options that I thought and that one of the first things I put down was we need community input and starting with awareness training and a community forum of the rules of the road and safety training for all forms of micromobility. I've spoken to Zach and to you, George, about doing some kind of forum like that, and you said we could possibly do that in October. that may have to just for this e-bikes may need to be moved up a little bit depending on what you come up with. Because kids and parents and residents who ride these, everybody, I don't think everybody knows what the rules are. And I see them on sidewalks. I see them, you know, it scares me, because I see them flying past, you know, people with strollers, people walking, and those people walking have their headphones in. They don't hear that, and the e-bike's are quiet. They don't hear them coming up behind them. So potentially dangerous. So I would like to see some kind of awareness training in community forum. Other things I came up with was the ordinance prohibiting the class three on sidewalks, trails and multi-use paths. Working with the county, I know I read something about Miami Dade was working with the county so that the cities could enforce authority on county roads. I don't know if that's something to look into. And then an ordinance Florida statute 316-003, that's a States that the bikes are allowed in state parks if powered by humans. So maybe just some of that some of the verbiage about keeping bikes off of trails or out of parks, maybe they can't be motor powered when they're in the parks or on the trails that it has to be powered by a human. But again, how do you enforce that unless there's, you know, I think the signage is a good thing, maybe some of the little speed feedback signs, so they know they're not going over, you know, 15 miles an hour or whatever it is on the, on the LRIO, but I, I would like to see us do something, but I'm just worried about how do we enforce it once we put it in place. Thank you. I can tell you now I'm not ready to land the plane today. I don't think we are going to, but I do have an idea if I'm offer. We have a citizen's pedestrian and bikeway advisory board. I would suggest that we commend this to them at their next meeting and have them do a review and report. And you may hear me talking about that a little later today for some other things too. But that is druggler and then Mr. Winger. Thank you Mayor Singer. So obviously, conflicting messages, I feel terrible that people are losing their lives. But I don't like policy that is an overreach, and I don't like policy that you can't enforce. And I sit up here for almost five years and I've said that. And just earlier, we have Mr. Speck here. And as I prepared for this meeting, step six of his book, which I've read back and forth, and actually, the one that I really like for all of you out there watching, the one with rules 100 steps is a really good book to have as a manual and have it on my desk is welcome bikes. And we're trying to get multimodal. We're here sitting and talking about multimodal options and that we're going to try to pass an ordinance to restrict multimodal which includes not only e-bikes but scooters. And when you ride the tri-rail, and I obviously ride the tri-rail, people are coming off with the scooters and they're going on the bike lanes. And I can understand that you don't want the bike on an actual road where a car is. I could see that being an issue. But for someone like me, I started riding the bike again at age 47. I think I've said that recently. And I have to use any bike that goes into 20 miles because, physically, if there's a windy day, which I just did a really big bike ride in Palm Beach through Florida Bike Month, I struggled quite a bit because I'm not an avid bike rider. So if I had had my e-bike, I would have probably done a lot better and I would have protected my body. And we were in the lanes, we were in the bike lanes and we followed the rules. And again, it goes back to enforcement. In terms of the parks, I understand that and I had a conversation with Chair Wright. Again, I think signage, sometimes you could put on there, but trails were meant for bikes, and there are different types of trails. There's mountain biking, which my son used to do. Doesn't do that anymore. There are trails like El Real Trail. How were you enforced that? We just rode that trail during bike month. And I wouldn't be able to tell you the difference between one bike and the other. The only thing I could tell you the difference is when I'm not on one of them because I struggled with the one that I did that wasn't for someone like me. That's a little bit older writing the bike. The PSA's a public safety. I think that's a great idea. Deputy Mayor Nockless, I think putting more of that and I know cities have had that through a bike month, and then of course, October is again another type for bike month. But me personally, we could see the matrix, but I think it's a very hard thing to enforce. And if we do the e-bikes, what about the electrical scooters? What about people just unregular scooters, what about the, and I'm not going to remember the name, but those, like, they look like a, like a skateboard, but they're motorized that I see people on those. Like, when is it that we're going to be it, the policies I can cover or the ordinance, all the other things that you could ride on and get hurt by. So, again, a policy of this, I'm not really entertaining it, as much as I advocate for transportation, multi-multi-multi-multi-multi- not be able to enforce. But I wouldn't mind here with the citizens and bike pedestrian board have to say, but it goes against everything that we're trying to accomplish in a way. So, little hesitant on different on this ordinance. I just wanted to make clear it's, we're not proposing an ordinance at this time. We're exploring what the options are to try to improve safety, safe riding, safe walking, whatever it may be. Because I think when Ms. Wright came up, she was acting as if we were already working on an ordinance. Not acting speaking as if we were already working on an ordinance. And when it make clear that we're not, staff has not proposed to prepare anything. Just looking at the various options and how to explore the problem. And I agree with the mayor that it's a good idea for the bike board to take a look and make recommendations that Council can consider in terms of policy and whether or not. I think personally, I think education is really the key. Taking every opportunity we can to get the proper message out there and see if maybe it sinks in. And if it in in one out of five we're making progress. I think Mr. Riger, thank you. Yeah, I agree. I think we have talked about this in the bike and pedestrian board starting years ago at this kind of micro mobility and that, you know, that people are writing everything. There's now people writing one wheel. I don't know how it stays a float, but people are writing one wheel. One of the things that we noticed in bike land is that e-bikes are much, much heavier than traditional bicycles. So as a result, one of the things in terms of crash data is response time for stopping, right? Because you know, it's basic physics, the larger vehicle takes longer to stop. And so some people, people kind of misinterpret the distance that they need to stop because it's an e-bike and it weighs 40 pounds or 50 pounds. And so it takes twice as long to stop as their old traditional bike and so yeah, an education portion is certainly required. I do believe that there is a Florida statute that says bicycles or micro mobility things, on a sidewalk, can not exceed, I think it's 16 to 20 miles an hour. Otherwise it's a vehicle. And just like the bikes on A1A, the Peloton, they are going 26, 30 miles an hour. They're supposed to act like a vehicle. And to your point, Deputy Mayor, the micromotors bikes, I mean, they're almost just like, you know, they're mopeds, where you don't even have to pedal anymore. I mean, they're motorcycles, essentially, they're just motorcycles. They can go 40, 50 miles an hour and they have no business being on a sidewalk. Again, their multiple stakeholders involved, right? Tallahassee has to get involved because there's going to, some of these motor bikes or motorcycles are going to need license plates. Once you're exceeding 20 miles an hour, those are things that are beyond our jurisdiction. They're going to have to get involved. But until that time, I think, yeah, there's an education aspect. There is an enforcement aspect. If you're going faster than 20 miles per hour on a sidewalk, I think there's an enforcement opportunity there that we could look at. Certainly trails and you know, and whatnot. You don't want these motorcycles and, you know, these dirt bikes, you know, going on all the brand new trails at the North Park because they could literally be going 50 miles an hour. And I wouldn't let my children go there. If I knew there were people going 50 miles an hour next to that, I don't think anyone would. So I think there is, you know, I think we're gonna have to have kind of all hands-on deck approach here. I think, you know, bike and ped looking at it in terms of saying, hey, what's an action plan here? Giving us some action items, some recommendations are important. There'll be some lobbying efforts we have to do as well. But there are certain things. There's enforcement that we can start now for guys speeding and we have all seen this. There are people flying down the sidewalk with those dirt bikes and You know, so I think there's a multifaceted approach that will have to you know kind of get on all all hands on tech technique For the comments mr. Tom. Yeah, I think as everybody's indicated This is pretty complicated issue because there are plenty of people who have some of these e-bikes, particularly Class 1 or 2 that are using them perfectly well, perfectly fine and perfectly reasonably. And we don't want to stop them from doing that, right? Because these are good ways of getting around. They're good forms of transportation because they're cheaper than a car and they are relatively good for the environment. And we don't want to be in a position where we're trying to restrict that. I don't think anybody was trying to do that. But there are, though, as there is, it was just about anything. Some bad actors and misusing some of these vehicles, typically I think it's the E motor bikes that are probably the most egregious. And the ones that are using even decent ones recklessly, that's what we're trying to get at. The people who are using it when it's out of scale, out of place, in places where they don't belong. I agree that we should give this to the board for them to look at, make some suggestions to us. It was my intention, I think, to try and curtail the kinds of reckless and use of the e-motor bikes. I think that was probably the most obvious. parks or it's a tricky thing too because there's plenty of parks where people are using these e-bikes totally fine. Think about the big path around at Spanish River Athletic Facilities. I've, there's plenty of people who ride e-bikes on that shared use path there. And to prohibit the use of e-bikes in a park, I think it would be, it wouldn't be. I think that would be an overreach. Trails, I think, can be a tricky thing potentially. But at the same time, there are plenty of people who bike on trails. They use, exactly. So it's a perfectly good use of it. I don't think that incorporating an e-bike by someone who's using it properly would necessarily be a bad thing. But I'm interested to hear what the, or, or bike specific board has to say about that. I think that would be a good start. And but all of that to say we're definitely not landing the plane now. But I think it's important that we get the conversation started here so that we can develop the kinds of things that I think we all agree there's probably some potential for misuse on these things that's what we want to try to target but nothing else. Sounds like we agree so many I'll make this suggestion that we task the pedestrian and bikeway advisory board at their next meeting to take up this issue to focus on one. People not using this in a safe manner. Two education and, how would we try to encourage safety, whether it's informational campaigns, signage, what places we would limit them potentially, what they've seen from other cities. So four best practices. Any other thoughts? Thank you, Dr. Forstment. Some, this, yes. And in five enforcement, how would it be in force? Because they're gonna have the a solution I'd like them to come up with with them think about it and provide a solution to us Everyone on accord with that Great then mr. Brown can we let our staff leaves on Let them know that we've asked them to go do this. Yes very good All right. Thank you And that concludes that item now we'll turn to a discussion of local campaign participant policy. Mr. Brown, we're going to recognize you are Mr. Killer because I did want to call Mr. Killer too. Just that we're following up on the discussion that we had at the last meeting, very late into the evening. And this regards the provision that is in city contracts and requests for proposals that during the term of an agreement, consult an employer or associate, should not be involved in any political campaign for city elective office, nor make any financial contribution to any such campaign. That's the basis of the discussion. Very well. I will ask Mr. Kailer to kick us off because thank you for your research. It's nice to have fresh eyes looking at something after a time. And what you shared on Friday about state law, I think was very instructive and actually influenced a lot of what I thought the discussion might be today. So if you would please, Mr. Kailer, share with the public and us what you found. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Council. As I mentioned on the 18th, ultimately, these decisions are policy decisions of the Lincoln Council. As I mentioned on the 18th, ultimately, these decisions are policy decisions of the City Council to make, but as City Attorney, of course, to give the council as much information together with the City Manager to make informed decision. The manager did provide in the agenda materials that was published last week a brief memorandum that walked through the results of my or our joint efforts to try to identify, you know, what was the origin of this provision and then how did it get how or when or was it presented to the City Council and then what was the practice thereafter. So I thought that was a very helpful memorandum just to identify the history and context of the clause. And Mayor, you asked just about the email I sent on Friday was again just for the Council of Benefit and the public's benefit was about, the Florida election code is not something as a local government attorney that we spend a lot of time in. It's generally outside of the realm of areas that are brought to a city, but because of this discussion, I had wanted to go back and look at the provisions on campaign contributions. And I did see that the legislature adopted, the Florida legislature adopted, relatively recently in 2021. SB 1890, which was put into law at 106.08 sub 11 and I had shared with the council the exact verbiage of the statute and I'll somewhat read it out loud which is that a county municipality or any other local governmental entity is especially preempted from enacting or adopting contribution limits that differ from the limitations established in subsection one. Subsection one is the provision of Florida law that sets a thousand dollar contribution limit. And then the statute goes on to say any existing or future limitation restriction enacted or adopted by a local government, which is in conflict is void. So it certainly as a lawyer reading the legislature, writing words, those words say what they say. Of course, my instinct was to see is there any opinion or decision that applied in this scenario, a contractual provision that prohibits contributions as opposed to the enactment or adoption of an ordinance or resolution that imposes a contribution limit. And I did not see any opinion. I called the division of elections to see if they had a pint on that and they said that they had. And so, again, presenting for the council's background information, you have this statute and there really isn't any judicial opinions or guidance out there as to how that statute may or may not apply to this particular context. And so as I mentioned in my email it's an open legal question. Again, as I've said, this is ultimately a policy decision for the City Council. And in our office, City Attorney's Office is fully prepared to support the council's policy direction, whichever approach the council elects to pursue. Thank you, Mr. Kayla. Just one follow-up question. What did you find, I know you can't rest other cities. What did you find about how they might have acted in response to the Senate bill 1890? So I had wanted to see what other cities were doing and reached out to about 15 other cities and then looked a little bit between 15 and 16. And most of, if not all, the city attorneys I spoke with were not really aware of the statute. It's not something that our office was aware of. And I don't know if there was a lot of public discussion, but I was more reaching out more fundamentally to ask what were other cities doing and certainly the communities of Palm Beach County, Broward, Miami-Dade to see where they're similar provisions. And you know, of the 15, the majority of them, well more than 15, the majority are requiring compliance with law there are cities that will restate ethics provisions and things of that nature. There are cities in Miami-Dade that do contain the ordinance that they adopted that said that a vendor is prohibited from making campaign donations. They don't go as broad as, well, they don't talk about political activity itself participation, but they focus instead on contributions. And to answer your question, there were a couple of cities that after the legislation was adopted, repeal their ordinance and or if they had a charter provision would enter a note. But as I mentioned, a lot of the communities weren't really that aware of the 2021 statute. But who were the two who changed their code or their charter notes? There was the town, South Miami repealed ordinance in 2023, and then Hollywood has a charter provision on the issue and they insert a note in the charter provision. But as I mentioned, there are cities that have it, but the cities that I spoke with, a lot of them did not have it. Sorry. Anyone want to kick off the discussion? Mr. Thompson? Just to add a couple more questions. Did any of the cities that you had talked to, did they include, did any of them have a practice of including a contract provision like this one and their contracts with vendors and various other contract partners? So the short answer is no. The communities that I spoke with, I had shared the city's provision and I had asked, this is a discussion topic and do you have language like this? And all the cities that are reached out to, they said we don't. They would like'd share what language you do have and so I got a sort of a mixed response is some were very expressed where they might rewrite the code of ethics in their contract. Others had a more generic contractor shelf imply with all law. There were a number of provisions about the sort of duty to the city. But none of them were expressed with regard to participation or donations in political campaigns. The communities of Miami-Dade that I was informed that do have an ordinance, it's by ordinance. OK. Thanks. Other question I had was have you formed an opinion recognizing there's not any judicial opinions on the issue. There was no advisory opinions, I think you said. Have you formed an opinion as to whether this statute, Section 106.08 sub 11, applies to prohibit us from including the provision that we historically have over the last 20 years. I have not, I think it's an open legal question. I think that the statute says what it says. It is, there's arguably a distinction, but reading the legislative history and the language of the statute, the legislature seemed to express desire to want to have a uniform statewide method of regulating this topic. But no, I haven't formed an opinion. That's why again, I believe that the council can adopt a policy that it desires and our job as city attorneys will be to support that. Other questions or just Mr. Wigner? Thank you. And thanks for doing the research on this. It's been very helpful. Just a question. I don't know if it's for you, Mr. Keller, Mr. Brown, perhaps, because it's historical in nature. In the past 30 years that this contract provision has been in place, how many times has it been enforced? I'm not aware of any violations that have occurred or been reported. In 30 years? Yes. Mr. Kailer, do you know any? The question is, has the city declared a breach of contract or notified a contracting party that you're in violation of your contract? I'm not aware of that being a basis to notify a contractor or a breach of contract. Okay, and how are we monitoring this? Are we auditing every firm that has an RFP? There was some history actually where they did audit the firms, every single firm that has an RFP in the history that you provided us. Are we auditing all the firms that have every RFP or have had an RFP with the city or some sort of procurement with the city? Is that part of our procurement practice? Purchasing creates a listing of those contracts as you had seen in the past. It dropped off for a while, but we're back to doing it. But we don't audit, we don't take campaign records and compare. And of course there's no forensic audit of whether or not someone has violated the provision. Right, so there's no enforcement mechanism of this it's put in there. So I could certainly appreciate that. This seems to kind of be a solution in search of a problem given the very comprehensive ethics laws, rules, and state laws. And now the state statute that we've made, been made aware of. I can appreciate that there should be in every contract an enforcement mechanism for the city to be able to terminate contracts with vendors that are bad actors. And so I could certainly appreciate something along the lines of what Miss Nockless suggested and certainly along the lines of what Deputy Mayor Nockless pardon me, suggested and what Miss Drucker suggested last time in terms of obviously, in every contract, we make sure that it's restated, as you said, Mr. Killa, that participants are following the ethics and laws. Because then if there is a breach, and if there is something that comes out, where there is a violation of those ethics laws, then we'd have the opportunity to terminate without which we might not be able, because there's no enforcement mechanism in here, if we didn't have some provision in a contract, we might not be able to terminate the contract with a vendor that's a bad actor in terms of campaign contributions. So I could certainly see some sort of enforcement provision probably in the boilerplate language to say that they shall follow this. And if there is a breach, it gives us an enforcement opportunity. And likewise, to Ms. Drucker's suggestion, I thought that it was, and one of the previous memos historically talked about this. During the pendency of the agreement is after the RFP has been completed. So the point, as Mr. Drucker had said, is, and someone said in the year 2000 or 2005, during the negotiation period of the RFP, or during the RFP process that all proposes, or that all people participating in the process. So perhaps as part of our RFP package, we say that they're going to follow the ethics laws. They will agree to agree to this provision. So again, because if it's only during the dependency of the agreement, then it doesn't apply during the entire RFP solicitation process, which I think completely misses the point of someone who could potentially be a bad actor. So I could certainly see and appreciate some language being in every contract and being in every RFP, and to the point of Mr. Lucasic, who has talked about us amending slightly our RFP process or our solicitation process for the P3. Certainly I would think then we would go back to Mr. Trucker's point and put a slight amendment to the P3 process saying that every participant agrees to abide by the ethics laws in the shall, the ethics and the laws of the state they shall. So I think there could be some work done here to tighten it up. I certainly think it could be in some agreement. But the way that it's written is, and obviously it's not been enforced. It's not been monitored is, you know, it's just an exercise. Thank you. Mr. Thompson. Can I answer? Can Could I ask a question? Yes. To the city attorney, does the current form agreement that we use with vendors, contract partners, does it normally include the kind of standard language that the other party will be in compliance with all laws? Like, isn't that a common subject? We'd already include an oral in our contracts anyway. There is sort of general language to that effect but not specific. In other words, it's already in there and the contracts that we have with all of these parties, they've already agreed to do that. Again, if you're asking this for the about the standard vendor consultant. My understanding is that there is a general statement. The answer to your question is yeah, there's a general statement about compliance with federal, state, and local law. In the state and local law that you're talking about, those would include things like the election code and the election laws, the campaign contribution limits. Correct, yes. Any further comments, Mr. Thompson? No? Thank you. Sure, if all I was asking when I raised this, raises the first time was that it was hoping to have this practice of the city, if not the outright policy of the city be applied fairly and consistently. I'm not aware of any reason for us to take it out. The city attorney hasn't formed an opinion as to whether the provision that we've historically used would be contrary to the section of the code that he identified, one of 6.08. If it's the will of the body to remove it, I mean, I guess that's okay, but I think the point I was trying to make before. And then again, now is asking somebody to comply with the election laws or the ethics code is on one hand already in there, so unnecessary to add it again. But in the second place, they're already obligated to do do that anyway and so I'm not sure what additional assurance or comfort that kind of provision would an additional provision to that effect would would be now so again I would be my preference that we keep this in there because it's unless the city attorney comes to a form an opinion that it's it is preempted and then that's a different question But that's not what we're at right now. He's not saying that we haven't concluded that yet For the comments Ms. Nackles sure I'll go Thank you mr. Brown mr. Kayler for putting this historical perspective together for us and And I learned a lot reading through everything, and thank you for the additional information that you sent us the other day. But what I have found out now and also learned today, that we do have language in there that you have to comply with the laws, and it covers the bad actors. And what I've also learned is this was kind of, we never had an ordinance. Like you said in Miami Dade, the two that you found that they have an ordinance. We had a policy that was brought up by a city manager and a purchasing agent, or agent, but never had an ordinance. We had a resolution that said resolution 64-2002 that states the resolution establishes a policy regarding the interpretation of the following contract provision, which is included and may be in the maybe in the future included in certain contracts. And listening to Mr. Wigter say, you know what, we should have the language that we have in all contracts. So it's just we know it's in there, everybody has to comply. So that's, you know, totally something I think should happen. And in 2000, it suggests that employee gets removed in 2002, then they suggest associate gets removed. And it's kind of going back and forth. But I think that if we just have the language, you know, the state and county rules and ethics that they have to follow. And that's in the agreements during the RFP process then that should cover it I like to hear for mr. Brown also What would you like to hear for mr. Brown? I'd like to hear more of he wrote this memo He's he was here through this. So I'd kind of like to hear his opinion on this as well. As I think we may have discussed at the last meeting and I'm going by recollection, this was a must of arisen from a specific situation at the time that it was written with a specific concern. It was a staff policy that we added to requests for proposals. I don't know and we have not been able to determine whether I don't believe it was discussed by City Council. We checked that. So this was not policy. It wasn't something that was a discussion and staff went ahead and just implemented. So it was basically derived from staff. It took on a life of its own, if you will. It became something that went from RIPs to being in agreements in everything. There was a concern about what does associate mean. So that was defined and the council discussed it at the time. We've continued it along. I think that, you know, based upon Mr. Calais research and the provision in the statute about preemptive from enacting or adopting something contribution limits the differ from the limitations in the statute. I'm not as an attorney just to someone who reads a lot of code all the time. I'm finding it difficult to understand how a total ban on the contribution is not a limitation on contributions. That we might be at odds with the statute. But be that as it may. My recommendation from where I said it would be that we continue to have in our request for at odds with the statute. But be that as it may. My recommendation from where I said it would be that we have, we continue to have in our request for proposals and agreements a specific clause that reminds people their subject to state law. And we might want to include in that, including anything relating to contributions to campaigns. But that's really something for the council to consider which you want to provide direction on this matter. May I raise a question for us to consider? I am a concern Mr. Wigter raised in and came up last time to the enforceability. Our vendor listings are incredibly long. In fact, I look at the most recent one from February and by my count, there's 1,300 vendors there. And Mr. Thompson posed a question earlier about that, I think. I want to suede concerns there, but that becomes a challenge. And I really want to address concerns, Mr. Thompson, because you brought this up and you spoke with a degree of interest, if not passion, last time. I don't want you feeling that I don't want Mr. Thompson, I should address in the third party. I don't want Mr. Thompson or anyone feeling that we're giving short shrift, so are there concerns that would not be addressed other than continuing something that may not have been, as the timeline suggests, was not done intentioned by council and seems to, as Mr. Brown said, taken on a life of its own. Mr. Johnson? Oh, could you just rephrase what you're, once you try one more time? I wanted to address concerns because you had said if it's the will of the body to take it out, take it out, but I know you didn't feel that way two weeks ago. So I wanted to try to get to the heart of the concerns here and have the discussion. We started it off, I think we should finish it real bustly. Sure. No, I think I reiterated that my concern was the fair and consistent application of what had been in the city's contracts by virtue of either policy or practice for hundreds of contracts over the course of 25 years. Whether it was formulated through an ordinance or just approved time after time after time by the council, remember we approve these things. It was clearly the will of the council to include that for decades. Nobody, I don't remember anybody in the history of the time that I've been up here so I'll be speaking up against it. Right? So it certainly wasn't an issue until it came up the last time. I do think it still serves a good purpose. I don't agree necessarily with Mr. Brown. If you have an ordinance that says nobody can donate, that's one thing. But a party on the other side in order to get business from the city can voluntarily wave its right to make political contributions. That's what an agreement is. You agree to be bound or give up or provide certain obligations. So if you want to do business with the city, I don't think it's that unreasonable to say that entity, that contract partner, can voluntarily agree to not provide campaign contributions. The state law would prevent us from saying something like this. So let me put it in two different buckets. Contract partners are in one unique world because they do business with the city. They are agreeing affirmatively to do something. They can give up whatever rights they want, if they want to, if they want to do business with the city. But a blanket prohibition on people that don't have contracts with the city, that's a different world. That is expressly preempted by the section of the code that Mr. Kailer identified. But in the instance that people want to do business with the city, it's not unreasonable. And we haven't found any legal authority to suggest the opposite, that that operates as a restriction that violates the section 106.08 So again, it's my preference that it be that it remained in there I I've heard from several now it sounds like are not interested in keeping it in there going forward. I get that I don't think it's that meaningful to ask them to be in compliance with the law because the agreements already do that. And we would already have a basis to terminate them if they were to violate the law in some way, including campaign contribution, state laws. I've dedicated enough time to this. I think I see where it's going. I do believe it should remain there. I don't believe this statute operates to preempt us on this. Reasonable minds can disagree on this, I suppose. But even the city attorney hasn't formulated an opinion as to whether this provision that we've been talking about is preempted by that statute. And until that happens, I really don't think we should make a decision based on that. All right, with comments? I have some too, but I've heard it's one of Ms. Ruckassen. Thank you, Mayor Singer. I mean, I think I said exactly what I said the last time. And now that I've read and thank you for the information, Mr. Keller. And I spoke to both Mr. Brown as well. And I was not familiar with Senate Bill 1890 when we had the conversation two weeks ago. That's why sometimes it's good to table things. It specifically says they are contribution limit versus a prohibit and I think being prohibited, I think it's possibly in violation of this particular Senate bill. I don't know why these previous councils because we're going back to 1995, so nobody here was on the council. We can't really get a good idea as to why we're putting that in place. Again, I just sat here maybe 20 minutes ago about, I don't like policy that can't be enforced. So I'm gonna stick to that. Why create wording or policy that we can't enforce? I like where we put the wording last time there was like the wording about, you've got to follow the rules. The rules are there for, it's public. Earlier someone asked for our reports. You could go online and you could find them, you know, happy the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the I said it last time, the reason this never came up before, because I admit I was under a misapprehension of the way the fire city attorney had relayed this information to me. And when a slight scrivener's era happened in the contract that was discussed two weeks ago, it caused us to look back at the provision and then at the resolution. And then we started peeling back the layers of onion. And if you could please, but I prepared a time, my own timeline for the public is not a run as his memo. Could you go just to page one, though, please, of the two deck slides I have there? All right, just the background. And because we had a long discussion, I think people should close the loop on this one. 95, an ex city manager directs it to include a clause in vendor contracts. There's no statements of reason or context. That's why I think Mr. Brown had a tough time discerning why. Then in 2000, the memo said, a purchasing manager said it could extend, well, the provision could extend to employees who don't know about it and notes the ambiguity of associate. Council never, and then also suggested that maybe it only as applies to the RFP period because once the contracts award and what's the point. 2002, the city memo, city attorney, I guess took it upon herself. We don't know why, as divender to voluntarily honor a provision, I guess it was missed from a contractor series of contracts. It hadn't been applied consistently. And as I've found from Mr. Kailer, it's not in every single contract we have. There are certain contracts that don't include it. We as a council to my knowledge have never, our predecessors as a council members have never said why. I think where we went, where the history kind of got a little rye was in 2002, there was a discussion about someone serving on a nonprofit board and a concern about making sure, well, are they prohibited from serving on the board if we have a contract with Tri-County Animal Rescue? So they may clear that, well, associates includes a bunch of things but not unpaid volunteers. But what it also swept in were officers, employees of council, which is not defined, does that mean any attorney and he consultant, and well it is including children and spouses as if they're somehow property and bound by something. The purchasing manager, the next year suggested we include the resolution with the vendor contracts. I know this practice is not routinely followed because when we sign the contracts, it's not attached. Citizens United are the First Amendment case, which you talked about a little bit. And then the legislature made its ruling. But I come back to enforcement. We've got vendors here. 14, 1300 of them. People might make a contribution. I don't know how anyone can reasonably know, expect someone contributing to know, hey, do I have a relative who might be of counsel or work for one of these 1300 companies? It's broad, it's spouss, it's sibling, it's parent. But how would someone receiving a contribution? Which by the way, this provision has no penalties for people who don't comply. And I've come to learn, it hasn't always been complied with among candidates running for office. In fact, a number of times, even recently. So it's unclear how you enforce it. How do you enforce it? Can you reasonably expect someone making a campaign contribution who you don't know to go check a list of 1,300 companies or ask all of their relatives? Or if they happen to have a relative who works for a law firm? Oh, does my mother, who's a paralegal at a law firm, can you give me a whole list of clients before I can donate? And again, it wasn't just about donation, it's political activity. So then can that person whose mother happens to work at a law firm who may have thousands of clients or hundreds of clients be prohibited from participating? I think we've gone down this provision and we saw all the problems with enforcement and they still remain. That's why I don't think it should, I said last time, I don't think it should apply to any contracts. And that was even before I saw Senate bill 1890, which is a preemption. So I think the best point of, the best course of action is what we've talked about that you have to comply with all campaign finance laws. And at the point that we have to comply with laws anyway, yes, but sometimes we all know, or the general rule of law is the specific controls, general and sometimes when you add specific provisions in there it gives a greater enforceability and also a grounds to terminate if someone doesn't comply with it. So I think that's the best thing. Rather than trying to create a system that when all seems to be doing it got here by unknown reasons, it's not enforceable in may limit speech and I don't know where you parse it And if we want if someone wants to still wants to parse it better and come down and just focus on Something more tailored. I think we can discuss it, but it still has its problems Mr. Wenger I agree with you 100% I think it you know like I said, and I can't see how this isn't forced. I mean, actually into the very specific examples you're giving about 1,300 vendors, then you're talking about some sort of research mechanism where there might be a cone of silence, where they're not even the slippery slope of, well, there might be a coin of silence where they're not even allowed to ask anyone else. So they could be in theory competing with one of their own associates and not permitted to talk to each other just in order to comply with a fairly and very well-documented RFP. So again, it goes back to the enforcement mechanism, which it has never been in 30 years. So I would agree with you. I do, as you and Mr. Brown said, and this necklace at the last meeting yet, and Ms. Drucker, yeah, during the RFP process, it would be good for all proposes to understand that it's very important that they appreciate and abide by our ethics and campaign laws. Of course, they're always required to do so, but it provides an extra layer of enforcement, and just a reminder that we take it seriously. And obviously, I think these vendors who may be trying to participate with the city certainly don't want their contracts getting cancelled. I know it's never happened, but certainly they would not want their contracts getting cancelled and maybe as a result just restating it will help them comply with the law as they already should. Okay. For the comments. So it sounds like we've landed on the provision that Mr. Kailer discussed, which is shall comply with all the applicable campaign finance laws, including that in lieu of what had been this 34-22 2002 language and doing that going forward. Again, if the council's direction, the language that was included in the interim agreement three weeks ago would be the basis. Either that could be sufficient here or if the council would like, I could work with the city manager to prepare a simple resolution that would state this is the language that the City Council wants in all of its contracts, but I think this discussion and the direction of the Council is informative as well. I don't know how you all feel given that there was never a resolution putting it in. I don't think we need one to take it out. And I think we've all made a sufficient record, which I hope the minutes will reflect and do course, of course, about this. Any further thoughts? Okay. Well then, thank you. All right, that concludes that discussion. So we'll then turn to City Manager reports, Mr. Brown. Do I have anything to say to you? No additional report. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Taylor. I have no report. Thank you. Thank you, Council Member Reports. I'll start with Deputy Mayor Naclas. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I did want to talk a little bit today and Mr. Greenberg left. But he and I had a meeting and he expressed some a little frustration on what the advisory boards roles are. And I know before I was on council, I remember some of you up here dividing up the advisory boards and any of you took a couple and went to the meetings and were kind of the liaison for those boards. And it's not every, you know, most boards out of all of our boards have specific roles. But there are the Parks and Rec boards, the library board, the community advisory panel, the pet and bike that aren't always quite sure what we want from them. So I think that it would be helpful to them. And now I'm really happy that Pet and Bike got a specific task today. And it's a really good task. And we'll be helpful because they have such experts on there. But I think sometimes we forget we have 136 volunteers on our boards that most of them are have some expertise if not experts themselves in what they're volunteering for and they're very valuable to the city and I want them to feel that they're valued by us like we all do so So mr. Greenberg had given some suggestions I I will, he also forward them to me in an email, and I'll make sure I'll send that to Mr. Brown and ask him to share it with everybody. But he was speaking specifically, obviously, about the bike and ped board. And as recently as today, they would have liked to have just been prepped on that the e-bike discussion was coming up and that they would have liked to have been more part of the discussion today. Now they're going to be more part of it going forward, which is great, but that was just one example. They hope to get to meet with ALTA and Jeff and give and give some of their input as well. And as far as the A1A resurfacing, you know, all of that stuff that has to do with them. And one suggestion that Mr. Greenberg had made was, and I'll read it exactly as he wrote it, convene a temporary committee composed of one person from each advisory board, city staff and a council member to suggest generic improvements to the way each advisory board interacts with the city council and staff. He suggested they meet maybe three or four times and make an action plan and then come to us with that action plan. So that's, you know, I told my would bring it up today and talk to everyone here about it, but you know, I understand they don't want to just spin their wheels. And sometimes they just aren't really sure if when they're meeting what's getting back to us, even though we have, we get the minutes, you know, once we get a minute, like a bulk email that we get all of our minutes. And that was another thing they, and I haven't looked on the my Boca site, but they were asking if the minutes from their meetings could be put as well on the my Boca site. So there's some of the things that I wanted to bring up. Again, I just want our 136 volunteers on our boards to feel valued and Giving the more direction giving them tasks like we did today with the bike and ped board. I think would be very helpful so Any any comments on that? Mr Ron and then I had some comments yes Just a very brief comment the fact that you spoke of a task for the board, in my experience in the many years with the city, the most successful work coming to the council from a group of interested residents has been through task forces rather than standing boards with a specific assignment, with the time limit and requirement a requirement to report, Mr. Ruckle will remember, education. We gave Ms. Nackles and Mr. Thompson as well. Specific task, let's take the e-bikes, you know, vehicles and people. A specific task, review this, bring us a report, and then thank you for your work, rather than a body that sits. And this was one of the reasons why we did a revision of the board's structure a number of years ago. We had board that just met and met and met, and they really didn't have any specific task to look for. So they would frankly try to create things to do that created more work for the staff and then decisions for the council whether or not to fund a project or go for something. I think it will be approach for looking for what is a task that needs to be accomplished in this area and let a group work on that. I think we're much more likely to have success as well as volunteers that feel that they have contributed well. That's just background. Well thank you and actually this was the subject of my report so I can turn to it if you like now or I can wait if we want to keep the discussion off So I've handouts and slides just to but if you would please put up my other presentation So as mr. Brown said on the background when I was on this council back in 2017 after having served on the Education Advisory Board which was not as effective as the task force that two of our colleagues have now served have served on and good recommendations. It was combined with the Elder Advisory Affairs Board, the Disabilities Board, and then the Community Advisory Relations Board to create the Community Advisory Panel. After reviewing their minutes and speaking with their chair recently, including having a bunch of residents comment the best of one member to advocate, I think for that member's point of view, and take up of an hour on things that we're not part of their purview, it is ripe for us to task them with some specific things. So we were thinking of things that might be useful to the council. And I prepared a two-page list on six top seven topics that I wanted to present for you and us to think about and hopefully maybe consider overnight and come back so that if they're next meeting on Thursday, we give them some tasks. My vision was they dedicate one or two minutes, one or two meetings to each of these tasks. Take them off, we've been talking about some of these issues. The first one's education and workforce, which relates to our economic development efforts and our education. We have not as a city really I think doing as much as we could with the research on local employers in terms of what there are in workforce workplace and workforce gaps. There's career source Palm Beach. We have our own efforts but they're not synergized. I think they could do a great deal there. They could also engage our schools, our high schools, our college, our universities. Look at other best practices and prepare a report. We're talking about the jobs we want to create. We've got successful business people on this board. And people know the community. I think that's a great task. Second, and they kind of, the latter two on this slide tie together our elder populations in persons with disabilities, again adhering to the history of the board. They used to report back. There's a whole variety of services available from the county. I think they could better publicize them. And it's also just the third bullet connecting Boko residents with state and county services for veterans for 211 mental health. One best practice I happen to be in the Phoenix Airport not long ago and found out that they are one of the few airports in the country that focuses on being a memory and dementia friendly airport. They have facilities for travelers who may have challenges and you know those are just some that's just one data point but other cities are probably doing things. Go to the next slide. Hallmessness, at our next, tomorrow night's meeting, and I wanna thank staff and Ms. Herman, who held coordinate with the county, we have an agreement for the homeless outreach team to participate with the county that will provide services, but I think it would be helpful for the board perhaps to be a convener of service providers. I held a convening months ago with some of the providers that I think led to the conversation with that I think the homeless outreach team and their data sharing will address and hopefully improve, but I still we're still getting complaints and I think there's a way to fill the gaps because all our collection of providers do not give 247 care and they're gaps during the day and that's where we see the impact on the community. Mobility and transportation I come out only because that was something discussed by the chair of the CAP so I thought maybe they look at Boka Connect. We heard comments today. Maybe that, you know, there are the recommendations there. We have a tree planning initiative we've announced. There's a way that they can probably figure out best practices to roll out because we want to improve the tree canopy. And then another idea was just brainstorming. And these are all for consideration. Nothing, you know, we'll all decide. Time capsules, centennial legacy materials. Do we want to do anything there? We're excited about our events, but there are other things that we could be doing to engage the community. and maybe they want a way in there. It's the historical society who I suggest they convene with, but we don't even know if there have been prior accounts. there are other things that we could be doing to engage the community, and maybe they want to weigh in there. It's the historical society who I suggest they convene with, but we don't even know if there have been prior capsules, Mr. Brown and I discussed it, we're not sure, maybe they can do some research. So I think all of these things would give them action, but more importantly, they would give advice to us, and the goal is that they would be reporting on these things, making recommendations that need be actionable. And if we give them this set of tasks, I think they'll be busy for the next year. And I think that would be a helpful thing. So thoughts? You can mull it over. Mr. Wigger then. Oh, just briefly, yeah, that's a great idea. And certainly like we test the bike and pet board on a specific task, I could certainly see as this use rise like this, mobility and transportation, maybe that also goes to bike and pet or at least some formation of it. Tree planting initiative, maybe that goes to the sustainability board or something like that. So, obviously the idea is to have a robust advisory set of boards with various community volunteers so we can task the various issue, not just to one board, but to the applicable board or to the pertinent board. And if there has to be a restructuring, as you said before, of the CAP or what not, we can work on that so they're taking care of these specific issues. And likewise, I think there are some boards that do not meet all the time. They do not meet monthly, they only meet if there is an item, quote, on their agenda, or if there is a task that has to be completed. And to your point, Mayor Stinger, maybe some of these don't, they don't need to have monthly meetings. They need to say, okay, here's the you we have a task for you now go and But the but the board is still constituted so that they don't need to go convene a board and whatnot so that they could be just kind of the Standing task force ready to go kind of on a moments notice type thing some thoughts. Yeah good idea. Mr. Drucker No, I agree. I think we have this conversation. At least three of us are up here about three years ago. We came up with that list. And people like Mr. Thompson, and your singer myself, we went out, we met with our different boards. And I've said, obviously I said, on advisory boards. And I was also on the education task force. I was a chair. And I agree. If you give them a task, like our education task force worked fairly well. The task was a resolution and it was figure out why the schools are overcrowded. That was a big thing because we were getting ready to do a verdict, a verdict, addison miser, and what is now blue lake's elementary. And the job of that task force, which it was a bunch of community leaders that sat on there, was to go and meet with principals, go get data, bring that data and present at a given date to the council and that you had the information. And it worked well and it had a start date and it had an end date. And anything that needed to be added, we added, or the council added, you all would come back. That was running, that education task was running during the tragedy of MSD. I remember you all came back, the council back then, to say we have to add a safety component to your research. So you amended the resolution, it was voted on, and then that was our new task, then only to see how many students were at each of these schools, but also over the safety measures. And then we reported on that, and then the task force ended. And there was a start, there was a middle, there was a beginning, and there were adjustments throughout. So if it's us having to look or staff at these boards again to see which ones we don't longer need, I think we just did that last year, or maybe eight, two years, three? It's been a while. a while. I think things kind of jumble. Maybe that's the first step. Look at the boards. What are we still looking at? We've changed a lot as a city in the last five years. What do we need now? Maybe eliminating some of those and maybe making the other ones a little bit more robust if we're going to be assigning them with task. Other comments? I just wanted to and I love this conversation and I agree with you. You know, I have a task. Get it done, have a goal, check it off next task. So I think that they would be really appreciative of getting these tasks. And I'm sure Pat and Bike is now and the Community Advisor panel. I love everything that you wrote down here. I think if you can come up with anything else, the Parks and Rec board is, we have our Recreation Master Plan coming up. And I don't know how much the Parks and Rec board has actually been involved in it, or if they've been held back until we have the discussion with us on the Recreation Master Plan, and then we tasked them with something, or if there's something that they could have been doing or still can do, I don't know when their next meeting is, we're gonna be talking about the master plan on our next end of the month, but I know that they would also like something to do. So, and especially with the Rec Master Plan and all the different ideas I hear flying around, I think that there is something, a way for them to be helpful and inform us on some information. So, I appreciate everybody's input and I thank you for sharing this and I'll show the email that Mr. Greenberg sent me as well. Thank you, Mr. Brown. With regard to the recreation master plan, we're at the beginning of that process. So staff is going to discuss the conceptual level, the big things we're looking at and try to get some some feedback here, as well as from the district board, the Beach Park District Board. Then there will be the actual planning process with consultants, etc. The physical, you know, the layouts. That's where the parks and rec board weighs in because that's where their expertise is. And they say, these two aren't compatible, those uses, etc. I also wanted to make a general comment about interaction with the board in general. My experience in the past has been the board comes to council and says, what would you like us to do? And the council says, what do you think we should tell you to do? And back and forth, this part of their frustration, I think, I think if they have ideas, this is one of the structures we attempted to implement before COVID got here and COVID kind of killed that, is the board should report to the council, not necessarily by coming to council, but producing a report. These are the things that we're hearing. These are the things we think we should look at. Which of these things do you want us to focus on? Then we assign a counsel, assigns a task, and says, focus on this in the next work period. You may give them six months, you may give them a month, it depends upon what the specific task is. But I think if they know what it is that the body is asking them to work on and have a chance to say we think we should work on this, but we want to hear from you what we should work on. There's a lot of times I think they will go off and say, oh, let's get their hands on something. They really want to see it get done and then they can't say, no, we're really not interested in doing that. And they get kind of frustrated. if there's better structure that way. And maybe we try to impose that structure on all the boards that are advisory as opposed to those that are regulatory, Parks and Rec has a little bit in between but there's more advisory. The same is true of the library board for example. Just additional input additionally, input. And since we're talking about it, Mr. Brown, could you please share with us that your understanding of the history of how the library board was formed in the 1960s? Because I think it's informative about, we talked earlier about how accidents happen with something and it takes on a life of its own. I think this is part of the course. Well, basically, it's my understanding from research and looking at how things were and actually reading some articles, et cetera. At the very beginning, the library was a volunteer organization completely. The city took it over. The city did not have professional staff that were librarians. So we had a library board that kind of said, this is how things should go. This is how libraries work, those sorts of things. We now have a fully professional staff, people with library science degrees working in the library. And the library board, their title is not library advisory board. It's library board. And back at the beginning, they were basically instructing the city. This is how you do things. This is how things happen. That's really not the case anymore. I say that to say because I respect the people who care about our libraries and the people who served on this board. But even a couple of years ago, we had them, someone was making a recommendation for something that already existed and something that we had already cited on. So I'm not, maybe that is something that could use more focus too. And maybe again, it's been a while since we took a fresh look at these boards, but I think if we can, and not particularly for tomorrow, I'll ask you all please, can you think about tasks to give to the CAP because they're meeting this Thursday? I think they're in need of tasks. Their chair said that they would like to do some things. So I think let's get that started and we can keep this moving. I think they're in need of tasks. Their chair said that they would like to do some things. So I think let's get that started and we can keep this movie. Right? It's still your report, but I'm definitely- My report is finished. Thank you. Mr. Thompson, no report. Thank you. Mr. Wigter. Nothing further. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Drucker. Just a couple of things. So I wanted to give a little update on telehassy. I was back there a week and a half ago. And when I was there, and these are not confirmed, but we ended up getting our two appropriations. The House decided on Tuesday. We got some water appropriations. I want to thank our representative, Gossa Sideman. She's really been carrying our appropriations. And that will continue to keep Boca clean. Obviously, these all have to be signed and put into the budget. And we're just working on not veto. And then the other one that was vetoed last year, the last minute, was a real trail underpass, tunnel, on Spanish River. So on Wednesday was out. So Tuesday we got one set of things and then Wednesday we got our other side. So exciting time to be up in the capital and we got that funded and right now it looks really, really good and we hope and that it doesn't get vetoed. So if you're out there listening and you want and we've heard a lot, I've heard a lot of of our residents about the underpass tunnel. Please write to your senators and your house representatives. Now we're in what they call the play stage of the appropriations. Now we have to make sure we don't get on the veto list. We're in week six. I believe this is week six of the legislative agenda. And things are moving pretty quickly at this point, especially the next two weeks with budgeting. Tomorrow, the sovereign immunity bill is up in the house. It's HP 301. Ms. Gibson has provided information. I've been in contact with both senators. It's not being listened in the senator's side of the judiciary. It's on the house side of the judiciary. We've also given it to our house rep there. This has been something we've been talking about since the beginning of session. I know we've been opposing. And there was another alert that came through on stormwater, which I haven't had an opportunity to research. But we're continuing to monitor all of these bills and how they're going to impact the city. Lastly, just wanted to thank staff. They put a bike ride for us in March, because we didn't mean it was after. Incredible. We had a lot of people who should show up. And also, I'm not going to, I'm sure the mayor will speak about the golf tournament. But thank you to staff, thank you to economic development. Mr. Nakhousen, I had the opportunity to play in the Pro-Am women's. And it was a really nice week with a lot of community engagement. We had beautiful weather. And. and I had the opportunity to play in the Pro-Am women's. And it was a really nice week with a lot of community engagement. We had beautiful weather. And the city was just, everybody was talking about this, the tournament. There were so many different things going on in a seven or eight day period. And the last thing I had is for Mr. Brown. I would like, maybe not for tomorrow, but for the next meeting, if you have the autonomous vehicle ordinance update that I had discussed a few weeks ago for the pilot. And we were going to look at if we needed the ordinance or if we could just pilot. And what I'm looking specifically is brick to trial. There was that one street that didn't belong to either side and I'm not sure if it's a county. Mr. Beers, that here, sure you can answer that. That because of that, we couldn't get the crossover. We'll get back on it. Okay, perfect. And that wraps it up. Thank you. I'll be brief, because Ms. Rucker covered it. It was a great James Hardy pro football hall of fame in rotational tournament. Lots of eyeballs, millions of them looking at our city and all its splendor. Thousands of visitors, a hundred plus of the world's best golfers and pro football hall of fame. Legends, great community event. Thank you to staff who organized and especially our public safety was out there to ensure safety for everyone as well as our partners for that. And we have many more partnerships and exciting things to come, but we will save those for another day because there will be no further business to come before us. We will adjourn at this time of 504. Good afternoon.