you you you Good evening, everyone. Today is April 17th Thursday and it's 6 p.m. And this is night three of three for our work sessions for the budget. And tonight we'll be covering Parks and Recreation, Beach Enterprise, Middle Bridge Enterprise, Kinney Bungalow, Public Works, Galley Landing, Sunset Farms, Finance, General Revenue, Debt Service, Pension and Op-App. So once again again Christine, kick us off. I'll start off with my usual here that the salary fringe benefits compensation has been dealt with by the finance department and those are all according to contract negotiations and rates set by third party organizations. And with that we'll start Michelle with her Parks and Recreation? Excellent. Good evening. Good evening. Thank you. Thank you, Christine. So as Christine said, usually when we look at our general budget funds, I don't worry about the first 12 because that's where Christine comes in. That's her job. But I'm glad to say that so the first fund, Parks and Recreation Admin, which I call 1810, is Level Funded. So that's wonderful. That's a very small budget. So again, Level Funded. Moving on to 1820, which is our Parks Maintenance Fund, I'm sorry, budget. So again, the first several lines are handled by Christine's office. And then moving towards our operating expenses, building maintenance, et cetera, we're minus 3%. So again, pretty much level-funded on parks maintenance. Moving on to 1830, that is our Narragansett community center. And again, happy, oh, I'm sorry, I apologize. 1830 is recreation. I apologize, I went too fast. So recreation, we have a slight increase in our budget. That increase is doing part to the cost of uniforms. Increased in cost for field trips. Increased in cost for tennis supplies, tennis balls, tennis nets, etc. Increased costs for our playground, camp, etc. Our bus trips, field trips to waterways, etc. they're getting more expensive and a slight increase in our fireworks costs for our festival of lights. So those are the increases that you'll see in the recreation budget. Now moving on to our community center, 1840. Again, very happy to report that we are level funded I'd like to at this point just discuss a little bit of capital with respect to all of the budgets that I just discuss So under One of our big capital improvement projects will be the renovation of the Pickleball Courts at 170 Clark Road, repairing those courts by just filling the cracks is not working. Also, we'd like to finish the Black Vinyl Fencing Project at George C. Park. That project started seven years ago with a new backstop. We needed new roof at the Parks and Recreation Office. That cost will be about $50,000. And then finally, we need a new event space floor at the community center. If you've visited the center lately, you could see we have large black mats throughout the floor. And's because the tiles are raised so that needs to be replaced. So those are the main big capital projects for the parks and rec side. Do you have any questions? Okay, okay. Well, I think you get the award for the most efficient presentation of all the budgets. So I'm actually going to let Councillor Dirk and kick us off with questions if you have any to start us off so that way I can digest some of this information. Yeah. So the pick walk on Clock Road. Is that, how have you seen, is the activity there the same as, as it has been? Well, not yet, sir. It's picking up now. We've had a strong, today, and we've had a strong college base coming in daily, whether permitting at about four o'clock, and they play for a couple of hours. I'm not sure if it's men and women that are part of their club team, but they have been using the courts. Now the group that we see once really the weather changes, they haven't quite trickled in yet, and there are Monday, Wednesday, Friday group, and then there's another group Tuesday and Thursday. Now I expect to see them anytime soon. Yeah. So what is the extent of the project? Is it exact, same size? Is it a little bit bigger? It's the exact same footprint with a little bit of an extension towards the farthest east side. So where the road is, we'd like to jet out in a northly direction about 17 feet to add a two additional courts. So the design plan was done in-house by our engineering department, so no cost which is good. Of course the project would have to go out to bid as normal, but we are hoping we can get six new courts. Now we have four, six brand new courts with post-tension concrete. So we have four and in the end, we'll have six. Correct. And the basketball courts will stay? So the basketball court will stay and be unaffected by this change. OK. And will that be asphalt like that? Will you put down first or? No, sir. We'd like to do it. We'd like to do it with post-tension concrete. And that way, we can get a 35 to 50 year lifespan out of those new courts. Yeah. Cool. I'm sure that'll be nice to have that done. Well, I think I do expect some flowers from Mr. Richards. Sure. If we can do it, of course. Absolutely. I think we expect that. All right. Good job. With the expansion of the courts, is there what thought has gone towards parking down a Clark Road since I know it's kind of a bit of a mess with regards to the pickable area? So since the courts were first developed five years ago, the overflow parking has always been designated at the top end of the property. So basically where my parking area is and westward towards where the recreation building is. And sometimes we have to guide people in that direction. We do have signs that that is the overflow parking. So it's just that sometimes when people come to the area and they immediately pull into 170-clock road, they don't realize that they have to go a little bit further to the pick-up all courts. But I have no issue at all with this expansion and with regards to parking. There's plenty, plenty of spaces to park clock room. Okay, understood. When I've played there in the past, it is dirt and everything, people do park on the grass, grassy lawn. I believe there's a fence, so I just wanted to make sure that. There is, and I think what the group usually tries to do is as soon as the first people come they start to park kind of at an angle So they could get more cars in So I know they're working with each other to maximize, you know, the parking spaces down in that particular area And again everybody knows especially our local group that all the overflow is supposed to park up on the top area of the property. Okay, I will look for the signage next time I'm down there. Great. Thank you. Are we concerned at all about, you know, potential frost heaves or crackage within the replacement courts? It's my understanding that the design of post-tension concrete will eliminate that issue. Now we will see cracking over the years, but filling concrete cracks is a lot better and more efficient than the filling of asphalt cracks. Okay. Cool. With capital project number one, which parks are being targeted first, guess for replacing a trees. So right now there's this comprehensive. It is comprehensive but I could tell you right now if you've been by the Sprake tennis courts on Lumpford Road at Kingstown Road we've taken down a few disease trees in fact I believe it's three possibly four so right in that particular area we're gonna to a few disease trees. In fact, I believe it's three, possibly four. So right in that particular area, we're going to start planting new trees. And in fact, on Arbor Day, we're going to plant a tree in memory of Mr. Terminacy, who was a long time member of the DPW Department, who passed away about two months ago. OK. Thank you. You're welcome. So I have a few questions. First of all, just a real big compliment to the Parks and Recreation Department team. You know, I thank you to a tremendous job with your leadership and everyone works exceptionally hard for the services to this town to support families and all of the recreational services. Like this is a very fun budget too. I mean they're all fun, but this is a particularly fun passionate one because it means a lot to a lot of potential incoming families as well as those who are are those families and seniors whoever is using a recreational services. So with that being said, I do have a couple of questions. One being Christophero. I did see that option, or park number five, the project, park number five, was pretty much redlined. And it is of my general memory, and you can correct me if I'm wrong. I think there was, I don't know if it was like phase one, that was approved. Just wondering if you could give us a quick up to on where we are with that and how much of a cost did that incur. So right now phase one is specifically for the renovations phase one renovations of dominant Christophero Park. So we should start seeing those parts coming in very soon. Once the ground dries up and we could start digging out the old equipment again we, we have to wait for some warmer days because once we start digging, then the groundwater fills into the hole. So we've got to wait. So phase one will be the replacement of three structures. And I could provide you those details again. That was town council approved several months ago and I know those drawings were part of that agenda, but I would be happy to share them again. And then phase two, which I know Mr. Colonies is very interested in being a part of that discussion. We have some ideas for phase two, which I would like to discuss with him, because I know he's passionate about that. So I think tackling the playground itself with Phase 1 and 2 is basically, unfortunately, super seeding the skate park at this point. It'd be nice to stick with one project up there at a time from start to completion and then move on to the next big project. So even though number five has been crossed out in this particular budget, again, it's not on the chopping block. We will keep a placeholder for this project down the road. And what is the expected completion time for phase one? Phase one, I would say by fall of this year. Yeah. The only thing that really holds us back is the weather. But it's so nice out. True. When it comes to redoing the pickleball courts, and I know we have some passionate pickleball players on the council. But nevertheless, I just want to, the know, the way that it's described here for Project number four, it says that you're redoing existing pickable courts. So my question is when was it done in the first place, just so that, you know, like, what kind of maintenance has been like the consistent upkeep of that and is this and like what is the specific cost of that particular project? Because I know there's a lot of pieces in park number or project number four. I wasn't sure if you could provide us with a figure for the specific cost on those two pickable courts. So just to let you know the age of the court. So that particular court itself, the physical court, was built by the Army Corps of Engineers for the camp jury over 50 years ago. So this is the age of the court we're dealing with. So of course it's been cracking. It's going to, we're gonna have frost heaves. Six, actually seven years ago now, the courts were religned. They were tennis courts. There were four tennis courts, they were religned to four pickleball courts, maintaining the same footprint. So it's our intention with this project, again, to maintain the same footprint, again, even though we're gonna do a little dog leg to the left to add two more, but we're not encroaching any further into the parking, we're not encroaching into the open land, except for that 17 or so feet, not encroaching on the basketball court, et cetera. So my estimation for this project with in-house demolition by the Department of Public Works. Thank you, Chair. It's probably going to be upwards of $800,000 when all this said and done, and that includes fencing as well. And the fencing for the courts and the painting of the courts, the pouring of the concrete, et cetera. Is this a possible project that could be started in like, in a part? Because again, I do see fiscal year 25, 26, and then fiscal year 26, 27. And I do appreciate the total being shared. But, and maybe this is just a follow-up, just again, I'm curious about just the specific costs of the two pickleball courts. I again appreciate all the all-inclusive total but if there's any way that we could just get a figure at some point. So I'm sure it's buried within one of the line items. So. And no worries. And sir, just to remind you again, this would go out to bid. So obviously we would take the low bidder, the low qualified, most qualified bidder. So you may have a company come in at 1.5 million and maybe a local company will come in at 650 and as equally as qualified. Just, you know, they have less employees, they all work together really hard. And so again, we won't really know what the cost will be until we put it up to bid. Okay, thank you. And can you just remind us, because again, we're new and we could also have new people watching online as well. What is the current policy of pick a ball playing on our tennis courts? So again, currently it's first come, first serve. Oh, no, I'm sorry, on our tennis courts? Yeah, just because I know in other towns, they have those like, what do they call those portable nets they can set up? So our dedicated tennis courts at Sprake Park, so our high school courts are not lined for pickleball. So the courts at George C, all of the courts are lined for pickleball, and they have portable tents off to the side. And we ask that people bungee cord, the portable nets off to the side once they're done. So that is first come first serve unless somebody has gone through my office to reserve the courts specifically. The basketball court at Clark Road is also lined for Pickleball and that is oftentimes used in the morning by the group Monday Wednesday Friday. Other than that, it's pretty much used specifically for basketball. The tennis courts, all of them except for one at Dominic Christopher O'Parc, are also lined. So again, first come, first serve, unless somebody has made a reservation. Okay, and again, last question on pickleball. If you were to give an estimate, or maybe you the exact figure of the number of courts in there against it that are strictly pickle ball. That would be four. That is four total. So I didn't know if that was like four and that just that general area down there or if that's four for the entire thing. Yeah four and a total of 14 in total pickable courts again, but those are lined on other courts. Yeah. Okay, thank you. You're welcome. Another figure that stood out to me was Project Number Seven. I was very surprised. Again, I'm not an expert on this. This is why I'm asking the question. The vinyl fencing seems like it's a lot of money. Is that, again, vinyl fencing, I know there's alternative types of fencing. Is this a good figure that we're looking at? It is, sir. This is a solid figure. So in my introduction on this particular, or during this particular budget, seven years ago, we replaced the backstop at George C. Park with the Black Final Fence. The age that this fence can last, as opposed to a regular metal fence, is tremendously longer. So the Black vinyl does not rust. It maintains its shape and consistency throughout the years. So this figure of 120, if you went to George C and I'm sorry, I don't have the actual linear feet, but basically it's from the dugout all the way down to the first base line through the outfield and back around. So it's several hundred feet. So actually I felt that this price was a pretty, the quote that we received was pretty reasonable. And again like Sprig Park, we finally completed last year all of the fencing at Sprig. Sprig is completely done. Do dugouts, new fence, bullpen, everything. Picture everything's done. So now once we do George C, we can check that off as well. That field is done. Besides his general maintenance, it's in great shape. Excellent. And you know, the last time I actually was at George C, Councillor Durkin was my baseball coach. So I think he was Jimmy's team. I saw Jimmy's team. So Charlie O's I believe. Actually it was what was it? Actually it was like either Durkin or Bernetti Realty, one of them. We were blue. But can you just remind me because it's been a little while since I've been down there? Is that primarily now used as softball field? It's both actually just today. I received the schedule from Little League So that is not only used by both youth boys and girls softball, but they also have a softball minor league They have a softball major league and then And then it's also used for little league baseball. Even though the infield is designed for softball, the little league guys and Gals use it as well. Excellent. And then the last question I had was your comment on uniforms? Is that not something that if sponsors in town want to sponsor that they incur the cost? So I guess I'm just trying to figure out what you meant by uniform costs are going up. So unfortunately our uniforms, that is also a bid. Annually we put out for a t-shirt bid not only for our recreation but also for our beach staff. So we put out a bid for staff shirts, staff jerseys, and of various different sizes. Polo shirts for the supervisors, polo shirts for the camp counselors, et cetera. So that is a bid item. Because the purchasing guidelines have changed this year, we are able to sometimes get away with purchasing shirts and things from outside agencies like for imprints, but again, we are held to only being able to spend the $4,999.00. And below. Thank you for clarifying that. I was caught up on the camp and recreational specific uniforms and that provided the clarity I needed. So thank you. Councillors, Dirk and Arturia, they have any other questions? So sorry, Michelle. You just blew by me there at the beginning. These things are more important than it's like, this is what you get asked about a lot, like when is that going to be done? How much is it? All right, so pickle ball, right? When is that going to all be done? What timeframe? Well, that's a very good question. So again, obviously, this has to get approved and stuff. So, it has to get approved and then I would meet with engineering again, go over the details of the design. Engineering will assist me in putting together the bid. Our engineering department. Yes, we wouldn't hire an outside source. Correct. Again, it's very simple. We want new courts. We want them to post-tengent concrete. These are our dimensions. We want not only once the courts are done, we want the nets put in as well. We want it painted. What color paint, again, I'll research with the pickleball group. What kind of paint do you want? Do you want red lines? Do you want blue lines? Do you want green lines? Do you want the base paint to be blue? What's best for the pickleball community? So once we go out to bid I would say again barring weather Possibly after this fall once pickleball it's starting to get cold our DPW could do the demo in house And then we start fresh with a new design come March of 20 so start after the after the season of pick-ball. Yeah, cool, right? And then everybody's down to Florida. Yeah, okay. So November, December, timeframe. Okay. And then, okay, so that seems to be in conjunction with, so that pick-ball caught is one. And then it's in conjunction with, um, boom street two. Is it one kind of when you add up the 875,000? Am I right or wrong on that? Okay, so I don't have Boone Street listed at parks four. We do have Metatuxet repairs 2627. Oh, okay. All right, so it's Metatuxet. Oh, it looks like fiscal year 2829 is the resurfacing of the Boone Street basketball courts. So that, yeah. So that would be, oh, so that's now to be included. Okay. Yeah, that would be included in the 875. Right. Okay. All right. So, um, all right. So that's, that's good. All right. Thanks. You left. Council. Tori. I'll take any other questions. Yeah. Just looking at the increase, the sharp increase in tennis costs 50352. Just expand on that a little bit. Is this cost of professionals, cost of courts? Just why has that and more than doubled in? So the tennis equipment, so believe it or not, tennis balls are quite expensive. Also tennis nets and basically any equipment that we need for tennis. There's been requests lately for tennis backboards to be built. Most recently we had one built for George C. We have one at Clark Road. I'm sorry, we have one at Sprig and we have another request for one to be built. We would build those in-house with our Parks Maintenance team and build it against this fund. So, again, it's just a general cost, increase in cost of doing business for this sport. Also, we pay our tennis coaches out of this fund. So, the coaches, the contracted services coaches that we have, and then also our staff that we have. There's a young man who lives in Paris that reached out to me recently. He's summers here. He's a big player in Paris, and we're going to bring him on board. So this budget, his paycheck would come out of this budget. Okay, understood. Are we replacing all nets? Or is this just an ad as needed basis? As needed sir. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. And 50354 play camp. That's playground camp. Okay. So that's our summer camp. Yep. This year starts on Monday June 30th and runs for seven weeks. Okay. At clock route. Correct. So this is equipment supplies, toys, games, and things we get from Walmart, food supplies. You know, we have pizza day, we get the kids' delts, and then also the cost for a bus transportation to places like water whiz. That bouncy place, I forget what it's called, the fun route to launch. Thank you. And things like that. So, and so every year that particular budget increases a little bit each year, just because those costs increase. Are these camps restricted to residents only? No. OK. How many, actually, I know that there's like various ages, but do you know? Correct. So it's five to 12. You know like the approximate number of participants for last year's seven week program? Yes, we get between 16, 75 participants. Yep. And they're broken down into two groups. We have the lions and the sharks. Awesome. And the sharks are the little kids. That's great. And is that consistent from year to year, like the schools on? Is that program? It is. We always have an excellent group of number of participants in our summer camp. We do. We never really turn anybody away. We try our best to accommodate the families. We have a great financial aid program as well. So, you know, the kids do a good job. We have a lot of high school students that are our counselors. Sometimes we have older counselors, maybe in their 20s, mid-20s, but right now we have a group of late teens. You know, young counselors going into college and that have been working for us for like three or four years and they do a great job. They really do. So you don't see the decline in the camp for the ages that the school sees at the school necessarily? No sir. That's interesting. Yeah. What is the expected revenue from this from the camps? You know, I have to ask these questions for Stan. I have to keep you on your toes. Awesome. I think you got it. Thank you. In 2024, it was 83,000. In this year so far, you know, because we have the fiscal year, not calendar, it's at 33,000 so far. Okay. And also keep in mind that we keep our camp costs very, very low, very, very low. Thank you. Councilist Durkin, Victoria Alde, any other questions on this portion of the matter? No, I'm just thinking in my head, you know, like, you don't want to think it like if they can. I don't know what you're thinking. Well, I'm just thinking like if the kids are actually going to camp and there's like 50 residents and 30 non-residents going to the camp. And that's been the same now for a while. Where are the kids in the wintertime? Right. How come they're not in our what they're saying? Yeah. So they're not sure. Yeah. You said this is also populated by out of town, not residents as well. We do. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Do you know the percentage of an air-gantza to out of town? I don't. I'd have to get that to you later. No, I don't. Okay. would probably be a little more telling to your line of questions. Do we cap the total? Yes, we have to. Because I believe it's one Councillor Per five, six to seven children. So yes, we have to cap it. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you. All right. I think we can probably move. I assume you're going to be up here for the beach enterprise fund. Yes So I assume if anyone else has Clip or council Sturkin or Troyald if you have any questions that happen to come up later on while Michelle is up here We can ask them later. So on to enterprise. So I'm very excited to report now that the audit has been complete. The unrestricted fund balance of the beach enterprise fund is $4.371 million. In addition to that, 1.5 million is in a separate account for the storm reserve. Therefore, the total unrestricted enterprise fund balance is 4.5.871 million. And that That is at the top of our enterprise fund balance policy, which is outstanding. So back in December, and thank you, Dennis, for reminding me when we went through the policy decisions for this coming beat season. The fund balance is not listed in those. Just so you know, okay, all right, sorry. I thought you would. You're a little lost in the book, right? So. Certainly. So the unrestricted fund balance is 4.371696 to be exact. Unrestricted. Unrestricted. Including, in addition to the 1.5 million which is our separate storm account now of course it's all together in the enterprise fund that total is 5.871 million correct So back on December 2nd we didn't make any changes to our fee structure at the beach for this year. So again moving forward and we're not going to make any changes to that. So again parking is still $10 during the week, 15 on weekends and holidays. Our beach passes for residents, our parking passes remain the same. Because this 5.87 again is at the top of our enterprise fund policy that was drafted by the Finance Committee for all of the enterprise funds. So we are in an excellent position right now. Do I think it's going to be enough if we had a horrific category five? Probably not, but not come wood. We're in a good place right now. Can you just give a quick sound by while we're talking about this enterprise fund? Just as a reminder, because I know a lot of people like to talk about why aren't you going into the enterprise fund. You know, you hear a number like 5.8 million and all of a sudden you get a lot of people excited about oh you know we can do so much good with that money. Can you just give a quick sound by what it is that we can and cannot use that? short it it's very simple. So the beach is run on user fees only. In fact, the beach gives a half a million dollars back to the town for payment in lieu of taxes. This is the only money, user fees, admission, parking, daily parking, daily entrance, cabanas, changing rooms, lockers. This is the only money that runs the beach. No taxpayer dollars go to running, now against a town beach. There's no special subsidized funds that come our way. This is it. If we have a bad summer and we don't get $1.1 million in revenue from daily admissions, we only get 500,000. Then obviously this unrestricted fund balance will go down. And that's why it's very important every two to three years. We look at this fund and see where it's going. Is it going down too much? Is it high where it is now, which is great? A couple of years ago, we had some bad years with weather, et cetera, COVID. And we went from making 600,000 to 500,000 all the way down to 97,000. So we had to mix of adjustments with our fee structures. So again, things that we're always examining each year. But this year, we're in a very good position. So go ahead. So then, so if we do have a big one, and the south, north and south civilian get, whether it's, you know, they get totally damaged, like totally, they need to be replaced, we have insurance to that. We do. OK. So where would, where would $5 million be needed, you know, except for a emergency like a oil and one-line gas, maybe. But I think we have insurance for that too. But I don't, you know. Oh, I'm not sure about an oil. I think you'll have to check with the controller. Well, there was a time where that was an issue at one time. Those, those not really a nice time, but you know. So to answer your question is, so let's look at the enterprise fund balance without the 1.5 million. Because again, that's separate. We're never going to touch that unless we absolutely have to. So when you look at that, and let me get my... And that's strictly for a storm event, right? That's the one way to have that. Correct. Yep. Yep. So when you look at the beach, for example, with regards to some of our expenses, for example. Let me see where we're at. I don't think I have those two. What's that? What do you have? For wages, for example. I have a 101. Yeah. Down the bottom of the first page. Oh, thank you. So for example, no, but more than that for full-time wages. If it's complicated, I don't mean to make it complicated. I want to take it for a two. Yeah. Yes, I'm sorry. Also, too. Just so you know that things aren't covered 100%. You'll never get 100% coverage back if it gets destroyed. FEMA will only do up to 75% would be responsible for 25%. A lot of the insurances won't cover dunes, right? Is that what the dunes didn't replace? Correct. And things like that. It's not 100%. Call. So that money can be used for do's? To be do's for each. Anything with the beach. Oh, so anything. So like now we're doing something with a wall, I think is, I forget, what is it, the crown? I don't know which wall. Yeah, so the beach wall, right? So the beach wall, there's a section of the wall that got damaged with the January storms last year. So we've been going back and forth with FEMA. They came in low with the replacement cost. We... So the beach wall, there's a section of the wall that got damaged with the January storms last year. So we've been going back and forth with FEMA. They came in low with the replacement costs. We came in twice as much. So here's another example. The NBC Decker roof, $260,000. You saw it, beautiful. That came out of this $4.3 million. Okay. So that comes out of there. Let's see, wages are temporary wages. So our lifeguard staff are seasonal staff. $503,000. That comes out of this 4.3 million. Full-time wages come out of that as well. Full-time wages are $100,000. So that's my staff that's starting now, Bill Eckert, the beach manager. And then when the staff comes full time. So all of that, the building maintenance and repairs, the plumbing services, the electrical services, the sand, all of the operating, that comes out of this 4.3 million. So it's always fluctuating. Again, if we have a bad year, last year our plumbing bills were astronomical. All of our meters froze and cracked. So when we turned on the water at the beach, we thought we'd only have a $2,500 bill for the service. It ended up to be almost 10,000 because all the meters were busted. So something happened between the water being turned off on the street and when it came to the buildings, whether it wasn't blown out correctly or whatever the problem was, but so it's things like that. So this, what you have to remember is this is the only money. This is it. Nobody else has given us any money. This is all that we have. So the blue mats, the ADA mats come out of here. Everything, toilet paper, everything, salaries. So even though it seems like a lot, we're in a good spot, but. Has it ever been that high? I think this is the highest, the 5.7 in the last few years, yes. So no, to answer your question. I think this is the high, I'd have to double check, but I think this is pretty close to being the highest amount. This is with the storm reserve too, that was new. Correct. With the fund balance policy, that was developed. It would be interesting to see just a figure as well. The last 10 years of what the fund balance speech enterprise fund, what those numbers were at the start of each fiscal year. If that's too long. OK. I'd be interested in seeing what the balances were at the start and the end of Sandy and Irene. Well, Sandy, we didn't have any fun balance. Zero. We had a borrow from the town which we paid back within two years. Thank you. So none. Zero. Wiped out. Oh, we didn't have one. Oh, we did. But we wiped it out. We did. Yeah, yeah, zero wiped out. Oh, we didn't have one. Oh, we did, but we wiped it out. We did, but we wiped out. We got it. Yeah, it's gone. Gone. So we want to try to avoid that. And having to pay the town back and having to take money from the general fund where it might need to be used elsewhere. I mean, we'll do it. The town will do it. but we would try to avoid that by having enough of our own money to be able to take care of ourselves basically and take care of this speech enterprise fund within itself. So I have a hypothetical question if you don't mind. No. The dredging project. I'm not saying that this is going to cover the dredging project because I've already had that conversation but in a hypothetical situation where you take sand and again I know there's science terms for that all of like what they're going to be taking out of there and dredging out and some form of it could be, again, hypothetically, used to build up dunes. Is there a way in which we could contribute a percentage just of the small project because it would be reused and repurposed for the beach? It's my understanding that the beach enterprise fund cannot be used for such a project. But it used to be used to build a doons. Correct, but that would be bringing in our own sand. Oh, that's just for the beach. The dredging has nothing to do with the beach. I understand what you're saying, but that's a town project. Beach enterprise funds stay with the beach enterprise funds. So even if it's meant like the purpose was to support the preservation of the beach? Yeah, we should get a little opinion on that. Yeah, no, I just, it just, it just occurred to me and I just thought hypothetically it would be interesting to look at. And I think we could look at that. Okay. I don't, I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm not trying to be more than that was interesting because I saw that in here. So thank you. Any other questions? And again, having worked at the beach for seven years, a few of those summers with you, Michelle, I know what a tight ship that is run here. Steve Wright did a tremendous job. I think you are doing a tremendous job, Bill Acquired, the whole team there at Nareans Town Beach. It really is not only the best place, our dual in town, but it's really the best people to spend the summer with and getting to know. So, really appreciate all the efforts. You look. Do you guys have any other questions on the beach? Yeah, one just one quick one. So when you're down at the south end, right? Like I went by there today, right, and there's no sand, there's rocks and stuff. So where does the state's responsibility, like, end with that wall that, you know, on the beach itself? Like you're standing on the beach and you're looking where the motorcycle guys park. Like right there. Yeah, so right on that corner, sir, is right where the state property begins. So right in, so where responsible for everything in front of the benches. Right, right at that corner, right at that corner. So on the sand itself, as they say, the beach floor, as they would say, the exposed sand. Obviously, our responsibility is right to that corner. So when we begin to move sand and redistribute it the first week in May, one of the first jobs from Sherman, Sandy Gravel will be to blade those rocks as far south as we can. Then we'll bring in the mud buggy that we have as part of our Park's Maintenance Equipment. We'll get those stairs cleared off and then each day that the beaches right throughout the summer, the parks meet its team. We'll keep an eye on those rocks and we'll get on them daily and shift them down during low tide every day if we have to. So we have like some kind of permit that goes on and on. We have a CRMC permit, yes, serve for five years. In fact, we just up, I believe, last year. And we want to keep people want us to get rid of the rocks, but that's the natural cobble as Wendley Ferguson says from Save the Bay. Yeah, we don't want to get rid of that. It's part of the natural ecosystem. We'll move it a little bit, so it's more comfortable for people to get onto the beach and walk on the beach So that that's our plan on how we kind of move move it around a little bit Obviously to clear the steps, so but there's always going to be rocks and other debris, you know, it's the ocean Questions from me on project number one, the swing gate. Is this going to be an automatic up-down swing gate? It is not. It's just going to be a stationary metal gate. As you know, we've had a chain there for a bazillion years. And late at night, if somebody's trying to go into that lot, they're unfamiliar with the area. They slam right into the gate. They knock the ballers down and it becomes a big mess. So our hope is that we get a more permanent looking gate there that will be locked. It won't be mechanical. We'll make sure it has bright reflectors on it. We'll have signage. Be careful. Large metal gate. And I think just overall it'll make that area more secure. Not only for our staff that are parked there late at night, but also the homeowners at Kanachit, people that are walking the trail. We want to make sure during the beach season that that area back there is secure. All right, thank you. On to project number two, we only spend 18,000 on, I'm sorry, 108,000, excuse me, on the sand each year. 100, 8 over six years. Yep, that's over six years. So right now, we've done a requisition for purchase order for $10,000 only. As you recall, we put 2,000 cubic yards of sand on the beach last year after the storms. My initial inspection of these last few days besides the rocks in the south end, the beach is in pretty good shape. We've had a lot of sand come back. We're keeping up the sand fence up until the very last minute, again, to try to continue to capture that sand. So it's my belief that we will probably put about 200 cubic yards maybe of sand only this year because of the nourishment that we did last year at this time and the storms that we did not have this season thank goodness. I just remember thinking back when I was a kid there's so much more sand down at the curvature of the wall down by where the motorcycle guys park is there anything that can be done to build that up further? Because that has- So that- So that- Significantly drop down in recent years. Yeah, so that is a recommendation from Tyler engineering to build more of a dune down in that particular area for sure. So that's something we are looking at as well. We're looking at all of those recommendations that have been made. Is there an estimated cost on that at this point in time? I don't have that, sir. Again, I would assume, you know, if you looked at it today, that's a heck of a lot of sand. So I would say that would probably be upwards of what the cost of the sandy sand was was and that was upwards of $60,000. So and again, that $60,000 would come from this 4.3 million. Hey, you know, I always look at that and I just think sand isn't going to work there. You know, and I think we need big, big rocks, you know, but not to go onto the beach, but to protect the base of that wall. Because when that wall washes out, we have a big problem. I agree. So the state needs to protect the air side, and we need to protect our side. And I think when we talk about our relationship with the state, especially the road that they own, you know, right on the other side of the South Lot, it is something I know community development is working on with our action plan. Because again, we need to collaborate with them to be able to protect that section, that entire section, and also the infrastructure under the road, the sewers, the water, etc. Yeah. Yeah. For the capital projects on the two pavilions, basically, year 2025, 2026, I believe, if I'm understand correctly, that we would approve it in 2025, 2026. I see one is already a continuation, but for example, South Pavilion that being a new project. None of those updates would be remotely possible before the start of the summer. Correct. Correct. Yeah. In fact, we would start with the engineering department and thoughts about my ideas,ating the bathrooms, building an addition. I've got to see how far up we can go. If you recall, you know, the top floor of that building, it's just all rafters and empty space. And I'm not sure why we didn't do anything with that over the years. So it's the South Pavilion. Mm-hmm. So it's a great point. So the lockers are the same. Again, we paint them every other year or so. But again, they're just boxes, storage boxes, two feet by four feet deep. Mainly people, yet two feet wide by four feet deep, and about four feet high. Yep, and there's 218 of them. So a lot of people use them when they have young children to store buckets, boogie boards, towels, change of clothes, et cetera. A lot of our older seniors that have grandchildren that are watching grandchildren throughout the summer, they like to have them. But of course, as kids get bigger and they're schlepping their own stuff, there's really no need to spend $420 when the seniors getting their free senior pass and it's only a $50 parking pass that they're paying for. So it's really not cost effective for them. So the lockers are $420. $420. Those are the North Pavilion changing room, sir. That's why they have such a long waiting list. Correct. It's because it's such a great deal. So about 100% of the lockers, is there another locker on top of the lock? There is, yep. Yep, they're worn on top of the other. Okay, that definitely changed. So, that's do you any other questions? Yes. Project number three. What's the number of events held at the North Beach Clubhouse? Events. Events. I'm sorry, what was your question? What's the number of events that are held yearly at the North Beach Clubhouse? I want to say 116. I'm trying to visualize Margie's recent report to me. So I'm going to stand firm at 116. But please keep in mind that for May and June, just like Kenny Bungalow, we have more events going on. So even though we're at this, we're probably 16 to 25, maybe more. And then also with Kenny Bungalow, right now, we're at 42, but again, we have more coming up. And then we always have pop-up coalitions. You know, last-minute events, so, and we do try to accommodate, especially those particular situations. And, you know, I know the Philharmonic has always such a tremendous event, just as an example, you know, movies on the beach. Do you guys still do movies on the beach? We do. We'll have four movies, and this year is the 50th anniversary of JAWS, so we're going to try to do something fun. Awesome. It'd be great to get John Caffey back too. That'd be cool. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. What's the expected lifespan of the new floor? I'm sorry, this is the expected lifespan of the new floor. I don't know, North Beach. Oh, that's a good question. I think we're gonna do luxury vinyl. I don't think we're going to do hardwood floors. So again, depending on what we decide, what product to use, I'll have to get back to you on that. And I think we're going to do the same thing for the community center. Something that really wears well, durable, has a nice cushion base. Where is the ballroom floor? Like when you're saying the ballroom? Is that like the main area right in front of keys? Sorry. And nothing. Oh, no. So this is the North Beach Clubhouse. Formerly conod. Oh, I'm sorry about that. It's North Pavilion. I'm sorry. Yes, no. We don't mind. So North Pavilion is exactly the same. I'm like, wait a minute. Yeah, so it's the main event space we call it the ballroom, but it's the main event. Sorry about that. And then just one last question from me, it's not really listed here, but I think Jim had mentioned it earlier. I'm just regarding the benches out in front of the the the seawall. Is there a plan for that to restore them? Yes, so they're already in stock. If you drive by the west lot, they're all there and they will be installed probably the first two weeks in May. We could have we had them all in stock before the winter, but to be quite honest, I was too afraid to put them back in. Good call. Yes. Yep. So again, they're the same benches owned by the same families that purchased them. So per our bench policy and our insurance, if they get destroyed one time, our insurance company covers the cost. If it happens again, then the cost goes back on the original purchaser of the bench. Correct. And if they don't, then we do have a bench waiting list. I believe there's 37 people on the list as well. At least, Mox. A lot of waiting lists. Well, that's not a bad thing. I mean, you lot of popular services and privileges that we're providing. So obviously, there are some weighting lists that we would like to try to figure out ways in which we can funnel through them. But anyway, I appreciate your very thorough responses. I know we have a lot of questions, but a lot of people are passionate about these projects. So absolutely. Yeah, right. Yes. Well, you know, the beach is, you know, I don't want to sound crap, but it is really the heart of the town. It really is. Mm-hmm. Couldn't agree more. All right, so are you, so on to Middlebridge? Correct. All right. So middle bridge, we have a decrease in budget of $20,000. Wonderful. So no real big improvements at Middlebridge. As you know, the driveway project, it had a fancy name, the driveway adaptation project. Again, it was simply to move the driveway more inland. That has been complete. Grass has been planted, replanted, etc. So our only projects that we're going to do for that property is to buy some bike racks to again increase biking to that area. And also a couple of the new brown plastic coat adventures that wear well in the elements. And then I know Mr. Tierney will be discussing with you. We have an individual interested in renovating the yellow building and opening up a small little restaurant. Oh cool. A small little restaurant. A little restaurant. A restaurant. Oh wow. It used to be a restaurant. Is that the same building that is being acquired about narrow river preservation association? Nope. So this is the yellow building, which is 95-metal bridge. So 95-D, which we call the beach shop building, or the Marina building, is the one right on the water. New the Marina. Thank you. What was it called? When was it was a guy from the York right there in the practice place? Oh, a Wiley's. Wiley's, yeah. Wow. And then we have an old picture. Apparently the coupchons used to run the property way back in the 40s before Mr. Eddie took it over. No, no. Those south things downcashions? I'm not sure. I have a picture. I'll share it with you. Please do. Jim, have you heard anything regarding the proposed URI building there? We're still waiting to hear back from URI on a design before we approach the land conservation. And we did get the gentleman a benefactor that wants to be deeply involved in it once we know what the howling will forward. I'll bring the council into the loop once we get to that point. Thank you. Any other questions on middle bridge? Yeah. No, that's exciting. Awesome. Thank you. And last but not least, Kenny Bungalow, which I touched on a little bit earlier. So as you know, the land trust will be supporting at their own cost, their own expenditure, and RFP, which will be coming out probably in the next six weeks or so regarding a design plan for HVAC for that building. If and when we get those figures and the design plan of course will have to be consulted with Rodanum Preservation. Again, that easement is also pending approved by the town council. I'm just waiting on Mr. Callahan to get me his revisions. I know he's out this week. So that will come back to you for review. So again, that RFP will probably take several months. We'll probably have several companies putting in for that and then our I preservation will meet with whatever the low bitter is for that And then depending on the cost Which could be up there? We would probably have to budget over several years to be able to fund that project. So that's something we'll talk about in the future. And no real capital projects. We do have two columns at the building that Mr. Lescarbo from ABCOR is looking at. They've got some rot. We may need to make some improvements to those. But otherwise the building's in pretty good shape. It's been a minute since I've been in the building. I have been in there within the last year, but I can't remember. Is the upstairs handicap accessible? We have an elevator. you. In fact, the elevator expense is one of our biggest expenses at the building along with fire protection. That's great. Okay. Thank you. Any questions on Kenny? Is it bigger, the expense than replacing? It's just an annual maintenance, sir. Oh. Yeah, we're required to have an annual maintenance agreement. So it's usually a couple of $1400 every quarter just to service it. And then if it breaks down, that's another matter. I know, it's such a pain. That's great. It looks building looks great. It's beautiful. Yeah. I know people really appreciate the E.C. Well, I think, again, the town bought the building, like any building, like any of our homes, I think it's important to maintain them and upkeep them. And I know in my heart that if it became a year-round venue and we could have Christmas parties, Christmas weddings, thanks-gibdings, I think it may take us a couple of years, but we'll get that money back. Yeah, you definitely need to look at the rates once it's AC. Correct, yes, yeah. Councilor Terri, any other questions, comments? Awesome, thank you so much. Thank you very much. You've been a tremendous guest and a very thorough in your presentations. Appreciate all the work you've done. All right, Christine, where are we to onto next? Next we're on to DPW with Darren. Excellent. Good evening. Good evening. I am a pilot. I'm going to go to the meeting. Good evening. I apologize because I won't be able to match that. No, that's very good. She does a great job. Yeah, just like I said before, the salaries and benefits are all done in finance. So he can start on all the purchase stuff. I mean, really his budgets, the budgets for DPW didn't go up. Are they anything different, level-of-fund? It does everything else was. I think their total is 1.2% increase in their operating. The capitals are a little different, but in the operating of all those the four different funds within their department, they only want 1.2%. I guess my question as we're going through these, that portion, is recycling? Again, if if I'm reading this correctly, it looks like the percent changes minus 100% why is that? Right now we're doing shared services with South King's town on a recycling coordinator. And previously we had grant money from the previous recycling coordinator that UBBs to get grant money, that grant is all done, but we still have a fund balance in there, so we've moved that expense to that recycling fund to finish using that and then it'll come back into the general fund. Okay, I have something to give. So operating budget, like you just said, the biggest thing was staff turnovers as far as increasing and uniforms price increase. Do you want to go line item by line item or now just a high level overview anything that's Primarily seeing a significant increase Very good now just Mainly just the turnover uniform increases and The on the 1730. . . . . . . . . . and the solid 1734, where are we? 50509, yeah, roadway repair. There was an increase there, but last year with the crew that we got, a lot of ambition, we ended up doing a lot more work in-house as far as asphalt. Milling in Ovalaena, we had borrowed a box from Exeter, so we were actually able to pay a couple of roads ourselves in town, with just the crew, which was rather fun. The crew was actually pretty happy to do it, and hopefully we can keep the money to do small roads. So, and that's only a temporary bandaid compared to doing a complete road reconstruction, but big improvement. And... Just to ask you about the South Pier Road is it People ask about that a lot because it's partially done and the sections that not done is that partially state road? I'll take that one Jim. Okay. It is in the state traffic improvement plan that we filed with the state. It is a town road that connects two main state arteries. They have discussed with us a subrecipient agreement where we would do the work and we had it cost it out. It's not even close to cover what needs to be done. But it is a town road and it is on the Stip program. We're still going back and forth with them on that. They did propose a subrecipient agreement but it's never come to fruition because of cost at this juncture. When it's on the Stip step plan the state pays for it, not the town. So if it's, all right, so that's interesting. So that's the reason that it's that funky thing with the state, because there's, so, it was a rigid approach. It was a rigid approach, a state road, or would, you know, correct. And then it connects to, uh, ocean road. Ocean road ocean road ocean roads so okay that makes sense I didn't know that yeah when it when it first went on it was supposed to be I believe it was supposed to be started like it's been on it for several quite a few years now I think it was around 24 25 it was supposed to start but they just kept at the state kept kicking it out further and further and now they just put in the schedule together for the tip projects and that's not complete yet. So with that, so the sidewalk on the school side, with that is that included a reconstruction of that. If we were to do the reconstruction, we would have to comply with all the new, everything that was grandfathered in would be gone. We'd have to do drainage, ADA accessibility, everything. Underneath and on top. The patchwork we've done, the Darren had mentioned, we borrowed some equipment from Exeter. They did a great job on it. I think they did, they did patchwork on it, but with the use of that machine and then painted the stripes on the road. But the step schedule was not done yet with the state. So they want us to, they want us to bid it or they want us to do it and then they'll reimburse us. Is that what you're saying? Well, it? Well, they gave a number. That number is, that number is, it's easily, it's got to be a couple million, Chey. And if it goes on to the tip schedule, the state should fund it, should pay for it. But if we do the subrecipient agreement, we'd be responsible for managing the job, contracting it, and we would eat the funds above whatever they propose giving us. So we have begun to negotiate with them on that. We've been doing that. We'll continue to maintain it as need be like Darren said in the meantime. But keep in mind any reconstruction any real reconstruction it would be massive. That sidewalks they again that have a sidewalks they go up and they're right by the edge of the road and the existing sidewalks are all buckled some of them are a tar asphalt. I'm a cadem type finish and so everything would have to be replaced. Drainage, ADA, the trees, because that whole hill would have to be leveled out. And that's where it stands right now. So I wasn't really aware of that situation with the state. So I think that's important that we, you know, a delegation works on that too, right? They need to, our reps and... Well, we have been discussing it with the mood that it's the funding isn't sufficient. Yeah, yeah. All right. Thank you. I hope they'll hook on that one. Well, that's a big one. You know, and it comes up all the time. I'm sure you just look at that every day, right? Yeah. Lots of calls, lots of complaints on it, but we try to get out there and no work to find. But we'll know, there's an explanation at least. Right. Yeah. Not always the answer that you want, but it's an answer. Right. People just don't want to hear it. They just want it fixed. Right. So, do you want to move on to DPW, the project number one. We pushed out and only kept the comfort station renovations which is in progress and we are hoping to have the ladies room redone completely and open back up for the public within the next three weeks. And we also pushed off a couple of other heating projects, but we're keeping, we have to keep the elevator for town hall renovations. It's a state requirement for 157,000. So it's the figure that we're still seeing for year one. The 203, is that still in the accurate figure or are there additional adjustments that have been made since What are you saying? That's still the accurate the figure yeah DPW project number two a continuation of previously authorized to upgrade and repair a storm drain systems, a townwide. We were asking for someone where keeping it at 100,000 and that's mainly to replace steel drainage pipes throughout the town that are rotting away and That 100,000 only gives us roughly 800 feet. Okay, we've been doing a east wood luck for the past few years and We're just trying to do a little bit because we know that infrastructure is failing So we're trying to be as proactive as as possible. And then sometimes that will get changed around because it's something else fails prior to the streets that we already know are going bad. We'll adjust. Primarily, so we'd look. Is this project going to encompass the other areas of town as well or is this primarily sort of look? Well this here is primarily just eastward look right now. Okay. When did that project begin since it's continued? Do we know? I want to say that startle in 2021 but don't quote me I can get back to you all now. It has been going on for a while. That's been going on for a while. You're right about that. They also did Alex. They also did portions of Metatuxet. If you see down the center of the street, the new pavement, where they don't pave the road, they just strip a new pavement. That's where they had replaced the drainage under the ground. And they do that. They let it settle before they do the regular pay. Yep. Thank you. Project number three, continuation of a previously authorized project. Repair, maintain sidewalks, curbing road surfaces, don't be a stone seal, micro pave, crack fill, and our repayment, construction existing roads, full funding, necessary to match state, ARPA funds, and bridge management programs. So this we already have, excuse me, July 1st, we already have people signed up or companies waiting for a redo of an eight or double chip sealed roads and what up and now because the reconstruction that's going on right now for um... and one other and now because the reconstruction that's going on right now for and well and the main thing is for to keep our money right 70% and 30% that are per pays right we have some state ARPA funding that we were awarded through the Department of Transportation and that state match is 33% which is about 600,000 To our 1.5 million ish give or take Oh, here it is. Yeah, so that's that. We have to match it and we've already committed. So we need the 700,000. $2.5 million. Give or take. Oh, here we did. Yeah. So that's that. We have to match it. And we've already committed. So we need the $700,000. Oh, we have to give the money back. Finish the road. It's a dumpster. No, it was free money. You know, 33% free money. That was good. We have a lot of streets getting done. reconstruction now with the program. We have five streets under a reconstruction right now with the Bernogro and great on. We have a lot of streets getting done. We're doing some reconstruction now with the inauguration. We have five streets under a reconstruction right now with the Frenagro and Great Island, Mullusk Island Road, a section of marine drive, Elm. Elm, yes. And a section of Old Point Judah Throat as well in between the entrances to the country club. I have just another question. In regards to the material choice, I live on Indian Trail, and it was very interesting when. So on that, I know you're going to say with the chip ceiling and the stone. So we've changed it up to a smaller size stone and we're also doing a fog seal too. So if you notice it looks like it's black asphalt, this will fill it in and it's going to feel like a brand new road. It won't be quite and the whole reason to have a big chip seal is so when you plow in you always take a little off, and it'll end up getting smoother with a smaller stone. It's just a much smoother surface to begin with. I have to say that's like the first time I wished for snow. And I think we had a very light winter that year, which was so weird. It's very cold here, yes. Yep. And actually today, they were doing some core samples on the roads that they had treated the last year. And you can see where the rejuvenator was actually going into the tar and pulling the existing old asphalt back together. It was actually pretty wild. So it is, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's So it is, it's, it's, it's doing its job. So. Is that saved money too? Yes. Yeah. It's, it, you're basically putting a bandaid on a road, but we're going to gain more life expectancy out of it. That's great. You have, we have a lot of roads that have to get done. But without the funding and everything else. We can only do so much. So. D.P.W. project number four. We've The thing we're keeping is a hook lift chipbox truck, just the body. And we're asking for half funding to replace one of our 2013 street sweeper. So the chipbot, what's that? No? Yep. And DPW Project number five, we were asking for quite a few things and we ended up doing You want of a new six-wheel dump truck, pow truck. One of the main reasons is just to keep up on our vehicle replacement program. When I had first started with the town, the council didn't budget for a couple of years, so there was a few years that we were dealing with no new vehicles, and it was just amazing how those routed out and just kind of screwed the whole cycle up. So we're just trying to stay within that consistency. I also are asking for have funding for the backter. If you're not sure what the backter is, that goes around, cleans out all the basins. It also does hydroescobeation. So for digging around gas lines or electric, you're not putting the backhoe, hoe into the ground. It actually uses water in a vacuum and sucks it out. They are not cheap pieces of equipment. So we would like funding on that. And a pickup truck as well. I just wanted to say something. I guess the vehicles that we, the vehicles that we have, you know, down in the south end, you know, the biggest problem is the chassis just rotting out. Correct. So we learned a couple of years ago about this coding that you can put underneath the belt and we do it. And now I'm, somebody told me that you guys have been doing that for years with vehicles. Correct. When I had started, I am extremely fortunate. We're surrounded by some very good people, a lot of teamwork. And we started off with fluid film, which I had brought in because I used it in the marine industry before. It's a very hacked waxy that you apply on and it touched the frames and we've actually started switching over to a product called New Hampshire Oil. New Hampshire Oil pretty much on the same theory as fluid film, but it wicks more. So like the Newark cards where you have all your bends and all your spot welds, it'll actually, when you spray it in an area, it will actually crawl about seven inches outwards to protect the metal. Any time that there's a big storm, any vehicle that's in town that was out there on the storm has to come by DPW, has to get washed and protected. We had lost fire engines a few ago, and it was because of Hurricane Sandy. Took me a little while to figure it out, but there were out. Nobody really washed anything down. Nobody was thinking about it, but the frame ended up going bad on a sure crack. So there's a lot of money, but all the departments are very onboard, and yes, we do a lot of, we're very proactive to try to protect on an average. Or if I had to guess, I'd say probably close to $25 million worth of equipment, the town owns so vehicles equipment. So you do that to every vehicle? Yes. The town owns. Yes. Including the police vehicles and the fire. That's fire. We don't do the rescues because of the smell, but the fire trucks, police cars, any equipment that's out during that time. Yeah, school buses. That's great. Yes. On project number four, what's the life expectancy of a street sweeper? It depends on who builds it. Now realistically, ten years, but because we, like I said, we are extremely proactive and do a lot of stuff. We seem to be getting more years out of vehicles and equipment. So, but realistically, even brand new items still break, and break out of the box. So, lovely. Yeah, it's awesome. You know, for some of our older trucks and vehicles, we auction these off, right? Try and regroup. They go through gov deals. Yep. Yep. All right, thanks. Welcome. Actually, Christine, do you know the amount that we return on these DPW vehicles? It really depends on the condition. I can get back to you all, like what we brought in this year. With everything that we sell on gov deals, it might be, I'm not even going to guess. It's not a huge chunk of money. It's not going to save the world. But we do get some money in. I can get you that at some point. Then you don't have to dispose of it. So it saves money that way too. All right. All right. I'm going to go over here. Go ahead. Okay. Is there a particular line item for the vehicle insurance on all of these different vehicles? That would be through the trust. Yes, that's a townwide thing. So it's a little bit. All included in there. All right. Further, yeah, it's another yet. Yeah, you maybe think about it for a minute. Yes. We've got to keep, again, got to keep you on your toes. Yes. So does anyone have any other questions? Excellent. Well, really appreciate you coming out here. And maybe you have another budget that you're presenting on. All right. Excellent. Now I'll take on road bond. A little later on. Okay. Usually he talks about road bond, but it's really not in their realm. With my money when you get to spend it if we get it. Yes, that's right. Well, thank you and all of your staff for your service to this town. It's really tremendously appreciated. Appreciate your time too. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Dan. Little Ome. So before we get into the finance, we have a couple of outliers here. We have the Galilee Landing Fund, it's a special fund in the general fund. And obviously that's for Galilee Landing and that usually pays for the CSOs down there, the police details, solid waste disposal. And then there's usually a little money 15 to 16,000 that's used for planters and decorating down there. We get the revenue from the ferry. We get a small amount from their admin fees, admission fees, I guess. So we just got the check the other day. It's 140,000. So that went up a little bit. In 2024 we got 136,000. So it depends on the summer and how many people ride the ferry. What, what was last time? Does that get increased by? Do we? There was an agreement signed I believe in 2001. Yeah. And it was set at 35 cents for every passenger paid a 35 cent landing fee that was included in the purchase of their ticket. And for that the contract provided a list of the services that the town would provide down there. And it was two years ago, I went to the General Assembly to get an increase. And they wouldn't increase at the full amount that we requested, but we are now at 50 cents from 35. And we're even with a new shorm. And the plan was the time that after two or three years goes by that Naree-Anson and new shorm would United go up to the state house and ask for an increase on both sides. There's 50 on each side. And they resigned the contract that went up to the 50 cents but it hadn't changed in 20 some ideas. Yeah, it's a pretty good history to that little. Yeah I read it. What was the initial ask? If you guys settled on 50. I think we started off at 70 or 75 and finally legal counsel for interstate said at 50 they would not support and they also would not oppose and that's what they told the legislature and they approved it. So I have another question. I assume we didn't interrupt to the complete. Do you have anything else that you want to add for Gellie? There's not a lot. Yes, it's small. You mentioned CSOs. I thought that was covered under the police budget. The majority of them are, but there's a few that work down that Gellie landing and those are funded through this. OK, so that's just how you've broken it up. Exactly. Those that report down there. Mm-hmm. Okay. There's not that many. I forget how many go down there but Yeah, are they I see them down there. Yeah, no, I do too there I regularly writing up tickets the CSOs that are stationed down there are they Usually stationed there for the duration of the summer? Or, because this is where I get confused, because if we're paying for CSOs out of the police's budget for every other part of town, except for those, like how do you go about figuring out where the CSOs are stationed to designate which fund Christine you want me to come out of the assignment of the CSOs to administrative function of the police department they advise us what hours are applicable to the Galilee landing fee and also paid out of the Galilee landing fee you see the detailed offices, the constables working at the ferry, they're also covered into that. So does the do they control light so with their advisement they will provide the you know percentage or whatever the deduction is out of whichever portion of the budget. So they are the ones who are right away. They administer it and they get designated to a 050550102 or 103. And then they'll be charged to that account every time they get paid. So when the officers have a differential, we don't know they get a differential. What shift they're on, the police department administratively notifies us, which ones get the differential. We just pay it. Okay. Is there any reason why it just wouldn't be rolled up into the, just all into the police? Well, that's fine to set up as a special revenue within the general fund. So it gets its own evidence. So if there is a person that keeps it. It saves and police department money from it. Yeah, that makes sense. It saves PD money from the general budget. Thank you. I knew there was a... No, that's, yeah. The added asterisks, thank you. So that's all I have for Gally. Any other questions? I just, I don't know, I feel 50 cents is cheap money. I agree. I mean, it seems like it's starkly cheap. I think with Brian and Mori took that boat ride, it was 15 cents, wasn't it? When it, what was the number they created? It might have been 15 at the beginning, or it might have been 35, I don't recall. It was at 35 when I went to the General Assembly to have it increased. And like, was that before like policeman would jump and out of the boats on to the ferry? And was that, that was I think the first season maybe. Yeah. It's been two years. Yeah, because there's a lot of, you know, I mean we support that business quite a bit. Well the discussion with the previous administration over in Black Island was that we would wait at least two years because we wanted to see the revenue also just to see whether it would cover it if we needed more. It seems like it went up, right? So that must have been the revenue of the boat itself, must have, because we got more this year with more increase, right? Yeah, we know the increase went into place a couple years ago. So for two years we've received the increase from the 35 cents to the 50. Oh, okay. Because we did see the account starting to shrink, especially during COVID, less people traveling and it's pummeled, you know. But we probably will approach the legislature next year, the next session with Block Block Island, try to increase it, on both sides. And when we do that, we'll ask the council to draft a resolution for that. That increase was about 30 to 35,000 additional revenue from what was before the 50 cents to the, I I mean the 35 to the 50 the 15 would bring in It was about 30 30 35,000 It'd be nice if we could get something for the number of cars that are parking down there Well, there is a lot going there is an eight piece of enabling legislation. Oh, all right. It's held for forever study right now, but I will be approaching the council again. I've sent you the information on it. I believe we should take a little ride up there. You know, it's for sure. If it would, enabling legislation would give municipalities the ability to impose up to a 7% tax for parking in their community, paid parking lots. I'm sure that will be amended to say, to exclude any state beach in parks, I'm sure that'll happen. But primarily that would apply to most, just the parking that's all down in Galilee for the ferry. Well, this is really great news. I think that's gonna get percoled a lot of years in the community. So thank you for sharing that. And hopefully it doesn't just sit and study that we, I also know how fast the state moves, but it's just a matter of picking and choosing which projects to focus on. But that one I think is would be a tremendous benefit. So any other questions on this one? No good. All right. Thank you. Just so you know back on the general insurance, it's all lumped in one sum. So I could get you a separate amount. I think you asked. Did you ask for the insurance? I just have vehicle insurance. I'm sorry. they just don't have it separated in the budget. Thank you. OK, nothing. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. And we just have to find it. There's no revenue. It's not quite sure why it's continues to be set up like this, but that's how it's set up. And we have to pay it. So. Well, this was this was something that did come up as well was you you made a comment that says it does not generate revenue, but it's a service to the town. So I know they do an amazing job down there at Sunset Farms, great marketing and all of the products that they're producing is just a tremendous service to our community and people come all over to visit, can you bungalow, visit Sunset Farms that one definitely has been a intrigue of mine. And I know this agreement's gone on for well over for any time that I can imagine, but it is interesting that there is no revenue generated. Right, and in that sense, to the best. Right, why is this separate? I don't know. And now? Oh, there's a lease, right? Right, that's that's it. You know could it right? Why is it separate? I don't know now Least right right that's like the agreement that I was referring to so right So I can't really speak to the history of that least but I just that that always was a bit of a surprise but Anyway, I mean, it it's about 4,500 a year. Oh, yeah, I know. This is just right there with special allocations from day one. Right. So it's $4,500 a year for water. In general insurance. Insurance in and then. Oh, insurance on the farm. And you pay it to the interlocal trust. Yes. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Look at that. Right on cue. All right. So now we'll go to finance. Here comes the PowerPoint. So this is just a little chart of the finance department. Accounting, tax collection, tax assessor. We also do investment in debt service, pension and OPEB, just to say a few things there. We have 11 staff members. We have one clerk that split between tax collection and tax assessor. 50-50. Overall, a budget decrease by 8.5%. And if you want me to go through this a little bit, we have a 1310, which is finance. That went up 0.6%. No really big changes there. And except for compensation. the organization. 1320 is general accounting. That went up 0.2%. And really the only increase was the audit amount that we got. It goes up every year a little bit for the audit. And then every year or no. No. Every three years we got out to bid. Oh, so it might change or not? It might change, yeah, it might not. 1330 is tax collection that went down almost a whole percent. That is mostly due to a change in staff. Staff turnover. A 1340 is tax assessor. That went down 8.5% and that is because staff turnover and the revaluation dollar amount was not needed. And we cut that one clerk position that was put in in light of the tax structure changes that were being talked about. So we had put in a position to look at leases if they were going to do something with yearly rentals. But that never came to fruition, so we cut that. And that is it for finance. Do you have any questions? So do you see that all the new technology that comes along? Do you see that maybe it's for the town manager, but maybe it's both of these. But like, you know, like, I don't know. Do we have less employees? So the technology does it turn into like less employees or is there a shift? Do you see a shift happening where the more technology we have, the lesser amount of work hours we have or is it, it doesn one and half the other? The number of work hours remains consistent and it increases for many. The staffing has been fairly consistent. I've been here for five and a half plus years. It's fairly consistent. What we do see an increase in is municipalities and the public rely on technology. Sometimes there's shared technological services with many communities in the state. Some things are mandated that we have to do. So what we do see, we see an increase in the course of these multiple maintenance agreements that we have to maintain for technology. And they have you over a barrel. It's like Motorola. They're the only show in town for the radio systems. And they every year get the maintenance agreement. In every three years you get the maintenance agreement. And the systems and finance and IT, all the programs they have, every one of them has a maintenance agreement and they can, they of course, continue to increase. But they're necessary for us. One, to get the job done efficiently, people use technology all the time and of course, we have to have a secure system. Do you see in the future people maybe working from home where the technology allows them to do their work that they do here where we don't have to have a you know such a lodge. This should be a very long discussion for everybody. But there are times that staff on occasion will work from home. Yeah. It's permitted. But it is permitted. Is it encouraged? Is it discouraged? It's people have to come to work. There have been things worked out with human resources that are personnel related that I can't discuss. But time's a change. Yeah, time's a change. If the technology helps with that or hurts. But it hasn't decreased. The amount of technology has not decreased, staff. No. Just brings on different issues. Yes. No, I understand being trying to keep up with technologies. Yeah, we had a lot of questions, even now we went with the utility billing and a lot of confusion. So now we're walking people through how to set up an account and things like that. It's always something. So we really can't cut it too much less because if one person's out then now you have nobody and you're going to shut down an office like tax collection. We are on a feeling of being a bones for staff. You walk to the clerk's office any day. Everyone, boom, busy, finance office, boom, busy all day. That's every day. I even know how to take taxes. Uh-huh. Anything else? Hope that helps. Any other questions? No, I'm good. I think everything's good, you know, that I see. Councillor Torelli, any questions? Again, a very thorough presentation. I think you covered it nicely and summed it up very well. Thank you. Okay, now we can move on to revenues, general revenues. So those are all the objects that start with the four. As you can see without going through all of them the majority is from our taxes and our pilots which we collect those from the enterprise funds. So wastewater in the beach they all pay us pilot to pay met in lieu of taxes and admin fees for handling payroll like such. And then state aid is 5% and then the rest is just pennies really State aid right now is still a projected amount. we don't have final amount so that could change Hopefully not the last minute One is a decision expected Whenever they pass Hopefully not three two hours before meeting I don't know if you want to give it a look over and see if you have any questions. Is there any way that we can get whatever the final budget or when we go into the first hearing a general slide as it stands going into that hearing this slide. I know you guys do a tremendous job at sharing everything with the town council. Just this slide in particular would be very helpful. Separate. With for you. Yeah. That'd be great. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. We do a great. Yeah. You probably have a lot of numbers on that, right? Yeah. We do have a lot of numbers on that. Yeah. So obviously we have funds and we have funds that we're not using and as you put it in the bank I assume and so what is like for the last fiscal year? What was the percentage that we received on our funds? In interest from you know, I mean like did we get full percent return did we get 5% do you know it like that possibly or thinking I don't want to guess I can get back to you it was good it was decent though it was around five yeah yeah and obviously it has to be safe right Actually, but but then we have we have an investment policy statement for the general fund. Yeah, we have three tiers So we have the stuff that's in the bank floating money about 25% And then we have another person 25 to 35% in one to three year and then a three to seven. Yeah So those obviously still invested, you know. But like you can see back in 2024 on 4903, we bought a 1.5 million. And this year, well, it says 1.6, but that has to be then, at the end end of the year we distributed over every account that has cash balance. You know what I mean? Yeah, we'll go here for now. Yeah, so actually, you know, in 2024 we brought in more than 1.4 million. That's what the General Fund kept. And everything else is distributed to water, beach, waste landing whoever had the library whoever had money Cash in their account at the end of the fiscal year I Can get you a percentage. It's okay. I just he's coming to the finance committee on June. Oh Okay, yeah a call, I guess, but sometimes But he is coming on the June meeting. Oh, that's right. Yes. He's on the agenda. Yes, okay Great. You come here too if you will ask him if he yeah, if he he's way better. Any other questions? Councilor Tariha, any questions? Could you please just explain for me the pilots 49065 through 49069? Right. So those that's the beach pilot housing they give us like a little rent, guess for the room here $1,500 This is the charter pilot is Montessori Clark What's the name of it up there Clark? I'm senior Clark. Yes. Thank you. You're welcome That's an agreement that's been around for a little bit Water pilot again, that's payment and lieu of taxes so they have Tangerples and such so Every three years when we go through a revolve that changes Water waste water beach That's it that's all I have to say what is our IHBC?B-C? Right back. So that's some funding through, with education when they go out to bond, it stays on our books. And then we get reimbursement. Rhode Island housing and education, building, blah. Yeah. So that's the corporation. Yeah, a lot of leather. What is 49-115 cannabis? Oh, I don't know. That came in from somebody cannabis. I don't know. Is somebody sell some? It came. I mean, it's under $200. Yeah. You know, the state sends it to us. I don't know. It's also, yeah. It's flat too. So, let's bend the previous console. And then did we even get that far ahead in your presentation? Which one? The hotel tax. Mm-hmm. Over there. That's on 49111, second page. Yeah, so this is so, I know there's a lot of moving parts with the hotel tax and a lot of things, different things are being proposed. Okay. So, I guess my question is on this 6% difference, how did you go about coming up with that number? That's their projections. That's coming from the state. Okay. Those are the ones that aren't finalized yet. Okay. The hotel tax, the phone tax, meal tax, and while tangible is pretty consistent and now motor vehicle is pretty consistent because they did away with the accelerator after they took our taxes. Okay. No. But they did take away the accelerator. Yeah, so all those numbers are just their projections. Okay. I don their projections. I'll know more later. Thank you. I think the town receives 1%. 1% correct. So we judge a tax at our hotel and goes back to the town. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions? All righty. Okay. Oh, I wanted to tell you about this. I almost forgot. This is my favorite. So this is the general revenues. So I think I told you this before at the last first public hearing. In 2025, we went up 3%. If you continue at a 2% increase of the levy on the top there in 2030 you'll see a need almost $10 million to maintain the budget in fund balance. You know with everything going up about 4%, but revenues only going up 2%. On the bottom half where it says 4% levy increase, 2025 was 3% and then if it goes up 4% all the way to 2030 you can see the difference where you don't need a fund balance anymore. Just want to show you how different a couple of percentages can make. And as a reminder to everyone here here 4% is the max that is allowed it correct I Know as I this would be a good slide to also include and I'm sure in your presentation You're gonna have a very thorough review of everything so This is great It's also scary. It's scary. I mean, really. That's why I just, This is probably what keeps most people up. And what likely will keep me up at night? Yeah, and for years it was two, two and a half percent. So now it's, you know, somebody has to. Mm-hmm. Okay. But our rates are very low. Yes. Okay, so we are good questions. So next is the debt service. This is a very busy slide. But this just shows our outstanding debt balance as of 630-2020-5. It's about 23 million outstanding debt still. The payments in 2026 and then the total outstanding balance at 630 2026 will be about 20 million. Is the retirement date of the bonds on there? I didn't see that. No, no that's a longer schedule. I do have that but the retirement dates aren't on there. Yeah. These that right now goes out to 44 I believe some of these go out. Right. The newer ones. Yeah. And it's just the notes and the loans. The $350,000 land fill clothes that's going to be done. You can see at the end outstanding balances zero. And then the enterprise fund waste water has that groin project that they're paying back. These are the debt service ratios or percentages that were allowed by state law. You can see the general fund debt service to operating were allowed 7% right now at 5. 5.39. Outstanding principal debt to assess valuations. You're allowed 2.5 as a max where at 0.28 so that's very good. General fund debt service to the maximum tax levy is 8%. We're at about 6.16 and outstanding governmental debt per capita is is allowed max of 2500 and we're at 1,672. This is the Broad Bond. So we issued 20 million last year, well in 2022, that election. And we issued 2.4 already with that that for roads and the sector. We have a 2.4 already with that for roads and the infrastructure. This is just the schedule going forward. Obviously once these roads are done, we won't have any more money until 2027. That's what's planned. That doesn't have to be that way. I just want you guys to be aware that there's no new bond money for roads after this year. My reading that correctly, sorry. Like, because I see fiscal year 2025 is on the bottom of that list. Is that? That's a typo. Thank you very much. No, that's all right. I appreciate your attention. So Chris, so we don't have any scheduled, well I'm sure we have probably scheduled maintenance for roads and replacement of roads, but we have not established funding source, right? Correct. We have those roads that we talked about with DARREN. Right. Better on the on the block right now. For this year. That Vinogra is taking care of this year. And and then that will be it until 2027 when we go to bond again. So if you wanted to continue roads, you might want to move that to 2026. Yeah, so next year we'd have to start. That was the fact that you're in the budget. You're continuing that, right? That would, yeah. This is full reconstruction. Right, total reconstruction. Not the maintenance, but yes, that's correct, Jim. Yeah. I think they're on to phase four. Now, when we did that as a town before, was that 20 years ago? Because I remember when they did that, was it 30 years, 20? 2012. I think maybe that's that money is gone, right? So then they did it again in 2022. Oh, they did. We did another 20 million. But we authorized to go for a bond for 20 million, but we only do a little bit at a time. So. So we just did 2.4 and finished up 2.6 from the old one and 2.4 the new one. And then this is the balance of that 20 million spread out over a few years. Yeah. So just some to consider. We don't want to miss that. I got a little bit, yeah, more coming. So keep that that. Oh no that this was actually just in regards to this project. Is there any running list that the general public can see when it is that their street will be? I believe it's on our web pages. It is on the town web page. Yeah awesome. Thank you. Yeah I think like I said I think we're're on phase four phase four finishing three D or something and I'm going on to phase four and then our consultants beta they continually Update and check roads over and and get the next phase going so it's a continual process Anything else? No. Thank you. Next is the pension and OPEB. So what I can say about this without really, without looking at the budget here, is that we continually make improvements with our funding status. Last in 23, we're at 71.4 and in 2024, we went up to 73.8 and that could have been higher but we changed some of our assumptions and became more conservative. So we reduced our rate of return expectations down to 7%, which is more realistic and more in line with the rest of the world. The 1-6-6 pension is a closed police pension. There's only nine people left in it. That will continue to get a payment. And obviously that's at 93.7. So we're going to be watching that with our Montgomery, Janie Montgomery to see if we need to, what we need to do going forward so we don't keep putting money into it when we don't have to. So there's steps to be taken soon. Next couple of years probably. And then our other post employment benefits op-ed that continues to increase in funding to 42.8 this year. We had a good year in investments. That's good to know that because the rest of the world did too, so you want to make sure that we did. We did. We went over. The actuarial determined contributions, that's what's recommended to catch up with the unfunded part of the pension funds. The town decreased the percentage for their required contribution to 41.2%. The police went down a little bit to 60.4. This is percent of salary just so you know. Thank you. The fire went up to 54.8% of salaries and the library's at 39.7. So there was some change. Some people went up, but others went down. So for every dollar, every dollar employee makes 40% goes to their pension. Correct. And it's is a paid totally by the town or is it their insurance? You know, they it's either 11 or 10%. Yeah. Depending. And the 40 doesn't go to that individual person's pension, whatever. It's good. It goes to the fond. So for like the library and the town, I'm just, like, why would it go down? So I mean, obviously, you know, library is 2% towns a little bit more. There's a lot of factors. Younger people coming in, they're going to stay longer, they're going to live longer, mortality rates, payroll growth. They put participation in the system's fairly recent too. Yeah. So it's not established as the others. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. And this is done by Nihart, our actual way real firm. Oh great. Okay. So it's not like me making. No, I know. So you could. This is the OPEB. It went down by 2%. Again, this one for OPEB was mostly due to the good returns we had for OPEB. Questions on those? Oh, pretty good explanation. No, again, I think we saved like the best freeze-on-er for last, right? So, no, I think again, I think you answered the questions really well. And the information that you shared is going to be tremendously helpful to the council, as well as the public, in anticipation of the first public care. And there's a little bit more. Just a little bit more. This is great. It's the gift that just keeps on coming. This is your thinking. So these are your considerations, things to think about that we've talked about. We really haven't mentioned it, but I know it's on your agenda's to think about was the affordable housing. That's another bond that has been discussed, whether it gets issued or not. That is not in the budget as well as road. They could be combined, but they're not. And they're also unbudgeted is the cost to go to bond. There's legal fees, ratings, the S&P and whatever. So there's fees that go with going to bond. Does that come out of the three million? So I'm just trying to understand how that works. Oh yeah there's yes. So it's like we's like we get a $3 million bond approved, but we're not actually going to get $3 million. Right. OK. We might get more because they might be par. There's a lot of bond. It's probably moving pieces to bonds. Yeah. Probably a lot of fixed costs too. Like, if you had a $30 million bond, the whole percentage of the overhead would be a lot less, you know, with the 3 million dollar bond. It's like, well, because you're paying the same thing. Right. You really pay the same thing. Yeah. And then we have the school department. And our budget is 2.4. They requested 2.9. The affordable housing had a new request for the annual or an allocation of 50,000 to match what the land trust gets. So that's in addition indifferent than the bond, right? Sunset farms, we talked about that. I have 20K, but we could do less than that. 20,000. We could do 10, and we just have to do 10 again in another couple of years. We could do five, and then we'd have to do five again next year. I mean, you know, it's Yeah, I think a lot of these If if they were actually know keep going. I'm sorry. I can't even go They're they're really low on funds. So they're gonna need an additional allocation They don't really have a fun balance right now So So if we do go with HVAC, that'll be a discussion for another time, but we'll have to come up with some funding for that. Then there's the community development. Jill Sabo talked about the SNEP grant that they want to put in for and they had talked about she had talked about a required match and that was the 5,500 which isn't in the budget right now That's that's the foddering farm the next step to foddering There's also that hot topic of the narrow river dredging that's not anything, nothing in the budget with that and then obviously the road construction. Total transfers went up by 2.3%. The library's additional request for the 30,000 in capital that is in the budget but it's just something that needs to be considered. And the special appropriations, we had the $2,000 from Universal Juice, 5,000 from St. Peter's Community Market, and the additional request of an additional 6,000 from the Historical Society. Almost done. These are the cuts from the town managers made on the capital improvement plans of $3 million. So it's just that's how much capital was cut. Out of a total of. Out of a total. We usually can afford pretty regularly about 2000. I'm 2000. 2 million, 2.5 million, but they were a lot of requests this year for over $5 million in requests and just don't have funding for that. Sorry, was everything that was listed there, what was cut? Cut. Okay. Or move forward. It was cut from this year. Right, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See you again. Exactly. I can get you a copy of these if you'd like. And these are just a snapshot of the transfers that I was talking about that went up a little bit, 2% or something. The school, obviously the biggest, that 74% debt service at 9%, OPEB 7, capital six, and then the rest is just a minuscule, but that's a snapshot, and there's the amounts of the transfers that happen. I don't know if you want me to stay on that for a minute or? Oh yeah, I read the first line. That's right. No, it's fine. I mean, it's a kind of thing. I think the library, you know, transfer the land conservation trust 50,000. The 166 police pension, the 210 there, the transfer to the OPEB, the ADC, the towers. The 30 down the bottom is actually the library. I call it miscellaneous. Again, we don't wanna mix it with their annual allocation because that would increase the maintenance of effort. Any big retirements and terminations, we always put money aside for that. So then these are all transfers. So I just want, would like the special allocations be one of these or is because that's not that something separate. Yeah, okay This is 1900 and then the special allocations is 1950 in a in the complete budget. Mm-hmm. Thank you This is the last line all right So at this point in time, like during the normal proceedings of the workshops, do you provide a general figure of the current worst case scenario if everything that was unbudgeted was now of a sudden budgeted versus different scenarios? And again, I don't want to drive you crazy, but like, or where it currently stands with everything that's un-budgeted out. What we're looking at, like a percent increase versus last year. Right, I think. Or is that just going to come on May 5th? Or is it just like, if everything that was cut is put back in, you'd probably, you'd have to go to the legislature to exceed the 4% cap. Well, you know. Because it's $10 million was caught, right? Well, you know, I'm not talking about like that. I'm talking about like, as it stands with everything that was cut and the rest that's unbudgeted out, like where are we at right now? That's like a general question. Like what's the percentage? Yeah. Year over year. I have that. like where we are right now. That's like a general question. Like what's the percentage? Yeah. Year over year. All right, I'll define it. I'll take you in there. So everything with everything as it is right now, it's a 3.66% increase in the tax rate. So that's your estimate now. Right now as it stands as presented. Mm-hmm. So that's your estimate now. Right now as it stands as presented. Mm-hmm. So that's your estimate now. Right now as it stands as presented. All right. I mean, thank you. Would you like me to look at something else? Chad, ready for the next round? I think, well, I mean, again, what would the recommendations be for going into the public hearing? that you've encouraged any town council member to reach out to you and Jim directly with any of these increase is there. And again, I don't know. I mean, you're capable of just about anything it seems like. But if we were to throw like some scenarios at you of, you know, what would these, what would the budget look like if we were to add this in or not consider this? How do we go about playing around with those? You could just email Christian Knight. Yeah. But the sooner the better. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, because it takes a little bit of time to change. It's not just one number somewhere. It's. Yeah. Oh, no, definitely. I also can appreciate that if the state were to change. It's not just one number somewhere. It's different. Oh, no, definitely. I also can appreciate that if the state were to pass two hours before, how just how crazy that they're looking at the where it is. I didn't check but they were looking at phasing out hotel tax, which would be about a million over a million dollar cut. Yeah, if they phase it out. If they phase it out over four years but still it would be about a million dollars. I didn't hear that. I was thinking of phasing out the hotel tax. So that would be what 3.4% of the so 4% is the top you can tax levy increase. Right. And you said 3.6. 4% to the tax levy is what we have here. But the tax rate is only a 3.66 increase. Oh, that's right. To the tax rate. Right. So what would be the levy? The dollar amount? Well, no, the percentage. Four. Oh, it's the exact same. It's four, yeah. Oh, it's that high. So he really can't. It's not what you can ask for. That looks. Well, no, I mean, I think there's a difference of understanding of the tax levy versus the tax rate I think. Right and the tax levy is what you can increase the total tax revenue. Right. Right your net. But it can't be more than four percent. But it can't be more than four percent. There are some circumstances but they're we don't we wouldn't call it right. Yeah. Yeah. And they have to have to has to be approved by the state. Like just to think a percent in the tax Yeah, and they have to be approved by the state. Like just to think a percent in the tax rate and the levy, sorry, I stand corrected. It's about 650,000. So if you went down to 3%, you take 650,000 off this budget. And to borrow, if you borrow $700 more and to fund balance use, you're going to decrease your percentage by about a percent. pretty good because we get good ratings with the bonds. With AA, AA plus. That's good. It is good for New England because a lot of people in New England, very few get triple A, because it's small. Right. So, yeah. Any other questions? I don't want to ask it because I'm not sure if it's... Well, no, that's alright. I mean, again, as Christine and Jim have pointed out that, you know, maybe with some additional time, we can figure out individually what questions, additional questions we want to ask. So that way, on May 5th, if I got my date correct, gonna be a busy night, is when we have our hearing on the town's budget. Right, and I have to have the budget to Sarah so she could post it and all that. So just as it reminded to everyone on the town council and those town council members who may be watching this later Try to get these inquiries in Ideally within the next week so that we can give if not sooner So that way that gives everyone enough time to follow up With the information and put together some hypothetical numbers. So, is that work? Awesome. I want to say why the other members aren't here. No. No, that's all right. So, any other questions, comments? Well, a very heartfelt thank you to the extensive amount of work that goes into this. I know you only get to celebrate for a few minutes after every budget is passed because you then start planning the next. So your efforts don't go unnoticed and we really appreciate everything that you do to support this town. So with that being said, our next meeting, our regular scheduled meeting will be on Monday, April 21st, and the follow-up to the budget will be on May 5th during the regular scheduled meeting. Yeah. Okay. Excellent. So.