Welcome to the September 9th, 2024 planning and zoning board meeting. Leah, could we have a roll call please? Member Gross. Member King. Here. Member Peterson. Here. Member Revelli. Chair Dorn. Here. Next is the pledge to flag. I'll ask everyone to stand and Wallace. Can you lead us in the pledge? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republics. One nation, the digital, the political, justice, and all. Thank you. The election of officers would ordinarily happen, but that has not been advertised. So we're going to have that next meeting and also then hopefully Scott will be here to join us and we can have a full complement on the board. Is that okay with everyone? Then is approval of the minutes and the additions are corrections to the minutes. Chair we did actually receive an email today from Ford member Revelli who's unable to attend but he did actually have Did everybody get a copy of his email by it? I have that here. Yeah item number three and item number four. So if any there's any I just want to let you know that he just had a couple items he wanted corrected. Great. I can read them here. That's okay. Um, an item number three, he said, I was the first to speak and commented on the applicant being a good community partner. I also made the motion to move the recommendation to the commission. In item number four, again, I was the first to speak and asked about the timelines. I also made the motion to move the recommendation to the commission. Are there any other additions or corrections? questions. I have two. By the way, the minutes were great. You know, we're doing corrections and stuff, but you really went, so much. Thank you. The first, if you could add that I had introduced and welcomed our new board member, Patrick Gross, it was at the beginning of the meeting. And at the very end, under other business, if you might consider changing that to Chair Dorn hoped that all board members would be able to attend the next board meeting because they would hold election of officers rather than Chair Dorn wanted all board members to attend. The next board meeting is if I'm directing people. Thank you. It's just a bit of a wording difference. Any other changes or additions? Motion to accept. Motion to accept the minutes from our It's August, she's, August planning and zoning me, 12 planning and zoning meeting. Is there a second? Second. Can we roll call way please? And I assume that means with the addition, with the amendments, with the changes that are recommended. Yeah. With the changes. Member Gruss? Yes. Member King? Yes. Member Peterson? Yes. Chair Gruss. Yes. Member King. Yes. Member Peterson. Yes. Chair Dorn. Yes. Next is public comments. This is general public comments. Each of the three items on tonight's agenda is a public meeting. So there will be a chance if you want to speak, anyone wants to speak on any of those items there will be an opportunity later in the meeting to do that with each item. Right now it's just city related business and general comments about the city and Liam, I speak in loud, you're not. Okay good. Would anyone like to speak on general city business? Seeing no one, I'll close the public comment section and move on to the first agenda item. I'll turn it over to our city attorney. Public hearing to consider an application by JP Morgan Chase Bank and a dynamic engineering consultants PC and SMA. SMA PLB Realty Associates LLC, requesting conditional use approval for the installation of a single lane drive through with an automatic teller and window as an accessory to the proposed principal use of a bank pursuant to 2441, D26. The subject property currently contains 32,592 square feet and is located at 3801 North Federal Highway and identified with parcel identification number 4942-2406-0021. Thank you. Does this idea of a presentation? Yes, we do. Happy Monday, planning and zoning board. OK, well, let's go ahead and get started with the first public hearing item tonight. As Mr. Schwartz has indicated, it's a conditional use for a new Chase bank drive-through located at 38-01 North Federal Highway. Take a quick look at the location map. You'll see where the subject property is currently located at. As Sean has previously indicated a public hearing to consider an application for the approval of a conditional use. That conditional use is asking for the installation of a single lane drive-through with an automatic teller machine ATM and window as an accessory to a proposed principal use of a newly constructed bank. So there is a major amendment application, companion application that goes with this conditional use, but tonight all we are primarily taking a look at is the conditional use approval for the single lane drive through. Briefly, when this was composed, there were two existing one-story commercial structures, a 2,490 square foot restaurant called Seaspace in an existing 4,135 square foot retail store called mattress experts. Those have both been demowed within the last month, but just to give everybody heads up. So the proposed new Chase Bank on the subject, property is proposed to be 3670 square feet. Property owner is SMA and PLB Realty Associates. And the applicants are JP Morgan Chase Bank and Dynamic Engineering. Future land use designation is commercial with the current zoning being community business zoning, and the subject property contains 0.74 net acres. If you take a look, I know it might be a little difficult to see, but here's the proposed site plan A neighborhood participation meeting was conducted for the applications originally back in November 29th last year and a second neighborhood participation meeting was conducted June 6th of this year There was two DRC meetings that were held one one in May, second, and then second one on July 11th. The site plan, application, and the recommendation from DRC for the conditional use approval was approved with conditions upon August 9th. the last year. When it comes to the existing zoning, you'll see it's also completely encapsulated with B1 community business existing zoning to the north is a mattress one retail store so with the removal of mattress experts now mattress one does have any competition But to the south we do actually have TD bank to the south, to the west, we have LA fitness, to the west, and then to the east, inside of the city of North Miami Beach. Or sorry, forgive me. I popped out. The city of Fort Lauderdale, forgive me. Is the fresh market, super market, as far my mind was that early. If you take a look again at the screen, you'll see here's a picture of the West elevation of the proposed architectural component. Very briefly is detailed within the staff report. We've already gone over what's gonna be demolished and constructed, but the site plan is proposing to have 17 regular parking spaces and two ADA parking spaces for a total of 19 spaces. There will be one inverted ground mounted site loop rack for up to seven bicycle parking spaces. The proposed site plan is proposing 33.6% of pervious landscape green area which exceeds the minimum 25% requirement. The drive-through which we're predominantly here for tonight will include 93 feet of in-balance stacking for up to six cars. And signage will be coming back to the Planning and Zoning Division before it goes to City Commission for Review. But they are permitted at this moment to go ahead and start with building permits for the signage, other than what is associated with the drive-through. So, pursuant to the code, pursuant to section 24165c, there is justification that is required for all conditional use applications. The development review committee found that technically all the criteria has been met for this conditional use and the DRC has recommended two conditions to be associated with the conditional use. One is in association with the bicycle rack for the seven bicycle parking spaces and the second is relatively general for the applicant to comply with all sections of chapter 24 of the land development code. So, we have wrapped up with our quick presentation from the Planning and Zoning Division, and it is now up to the Planning and Zoning Board to consider a quest for this conditional use. Applicant is here tonight to answer any questions, but they do not have a presentation. So, thank you, Craig. I just want to confirm with the applicant, is it accurate that you do not have a presentation to like to make? Could a representative of the applicant please step forward and stay there? I just want to officially not to pry view of that opportunity. That's accurate. We don't have a formal presentation. Is that Mike on? Can you hear me better? I don't think it is. Is it on? Okay. Great. Thank you very much. This event, okay. Thank you. Should I say for questions? We might call you up at some point. Thank you. This event advertises the public hearing. Anyone from the public who would like to speak please feel free to come forward you have just give your name and address and you've up to four minutes to speak. Please step forward. Yes my name is Judson Hopping 3743 Northeast 19th Avenue. Literally a block and a half away from the proposed property. Just for the record, the attorney needs to do a site visit. It's no longer a mattress place. It's a cheap $ dollar store. So my complaint is, or objection is 20 years ago we fought a home improvement store to go into site of where LA Fitness is now. In that time we have had numerous enforcement issues. They me start of. LAFIT, the home improvement store went out of business. So it then LAFITness became the new owner of the property and developed it. One of the stipulations was that they could only exit the property on 38th Street going west and only could enter the property from Eastbound 38th Street or 20th Avenue Numbers problems Did you mean that they could only exit going east? I'm 30. They're always exit West Westbound I mean, I'm sorry. Eastbound. That's what I thought you that's what you meant. Okay, the answer Eastbound from 38th Street or from 20th Avenue. We've had numerous calls to police forinforcement action and without much luck. I'll be honest, I know it's a lot of people from the neighborhood, but regardless, that was what we fought for. That's how the corals of Ocompara, Hummer's Sashish began. I was one of the first ones in there and I'm afraid that the same thing is going to happen. We saw it with the where the store that was there before the mattress place where people would, there's a median. They were turned right before the median, go in the mattress store a lot, turn around and go back into LA fitness. My concern is, is it can do the same thing and try and enter the exit that you're showing on the plan. So just, that's my thought Thank you for showing. Thank you, sir But I didn't even I was like to speak Seeing none I'll close the public hearing and I will open it up a discussion by the word. Thank you, Jack. One of the questions I do have, I saw where you're saying that six cars, unless I missed it, a graphic that showed me approximately those six cars will be, that's the first thing. Now, by no stretch is a bank anything like a Dunkin' Donuts if you've ever been by the one on commercial Boulevard and Powerline or even worse the famous Chick-fil-A on on federal but we probably have all been stuck behind someone who's doing a lot of banking at an ATM and in the afternoon on a Monday on a Friday, the first of the month, that tends to get stacked up. So my question is, is there some sort of signage striping, and how is that going to wrap if you've got eight or nine cars that happen to get stuck? That's part one. Part two is the, where that first parking spot is on the lower left, which would be the Southwest corner, the Southwest parking space, is really close to where a car would be sitting as they're at the driver. You got a Tesla Cybertruck in that first space, you might have a little bit of a problem. That's part two. Part three is I'm noticing on the civil that the grade of the pad at the ATM is like 6.9 and at the asphalt is 6.54, which is about a four inch drop. Is it just a lip or is it graded? I'm just afraid you're going to have issues with cars getting a little tangled up. And then I actually would like some more clarification on the entry and exit offer 38 because he's absolutely correct. I use that Jim and Ellie fitness and it is a little bit painful getting it out of there so I get that. So those are my questions. Would you want the applicant to respond? Yes please. Please. And again if you could give your name and address. Oops. Jacqueline Pachai. My address is 100 Northeast Fifth Avenue, Sweet B2 in Delray Beach. So to the first question, we don't show the graphics of how many cars are queued in the drive-through, but we do provide the stacking space for those five to six cars around the bend, plus probably one or two more before you get to the angled parking stalls on the north side of the building. On the west side we have the bypass lane so the concern for the car coming out of the southwest parking stall next to the ATM location actually provides the 15 foot dimension in the bypass lane which complies with code requirement for the angled stalls and how the truck or how the car would maneuver outside of the stall. So there should not be a conflict. And the third question, does that answer your question those first two? I think it does. Okay. And then the third question related to the grading around the ATM pad. We do have the six inch drop from the building to the ATM pad. We do have the six inch drop from the building to the concrete pad, and then we slope away from the curb towards the asphalt. So there is no lip between the concrete and the asphalt from the bypass lane to the drive-thru lane. Like I said, unless I'm interpreting at the pad grading in set at the building at 6.9 at the edge of the pad at 6.54. So it's grading from that point down to the 6.54 and out. I understand that, but the next grade that I see is at 6.6. Well actually 6.35, 6.35. So that's a couple of things I'm just wondering is it is it going to I'm just afraid you're going to have somebody's going to have a problem you know two inches and sound like much but it is. They should not. Do you mind if I ask where you're looking. Sorry. Is that okay? She's 3.00. I don't see the 6.3 though, sir. 6.35, if you look off to the, if you see where the drive through is, look just a little to the left. See the word bridge? Where the high point is. Yeah, I just, you know, I just want to make sure there's no lip. There is no lip. No lip. No lip. The contractors for Chase are national standards. They know how to grade out the ATM pad. There's a one to clarify. Got it. And you had mentioned the stacking. I meant to mention for the first point. On a national standard, Chase usually has three cars stacked at any point, which sometimes that queues up further. But based on their timing on a national level, it's usually on average three cars at any time that they have at their ATMs. Okay. Fair enough. Thank you. Was that everything? It was. Okay, Patrick. Good. You're good. I'll get you. First question was, what was the feedback, if if any at the neighborhood participation meeting particularly with regard to the drive you I know because that's what we're considering this evening was there. So the first one in November we had zero public participation and then the one in June did we have anybody? We also had no participation. So, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and the setback needed to be a little further back because of securities having a further setback reduces crime. Could you just explain why that is and what the reasoning is there? So the purpose of the lot lines to or the zero build line meaning you're building being closer to the property lines is for pedestrian enhancements so that you have people walking along the street are right along their shop fronts along the whole entire right of way if you will like I'm sure you've seen towns that have that around like downtown areas with a bank specifically as a use it creates security problems because if it's providing additional pedestrian connectivity there where they can just walk up to the windows and the doors and things like that without lighting, first fill over as well. It's a safety concern, especially for a bank use. Okay. And I guess this is more first step. It, depending on how we recommend, we need to also, even though it's specific, to just conditionally, so the drive-through, would we also want to mention the conditions that the DRC also would say that as part of that? Okay. You can include that in your message. Yeah, okay. We would, I just didn't know since it's specifically for the drive-through. Okay. I'm good. I was going to suggest that anyone who makes the motion would include the DRC recommendations and there are two of them. I won't read them now. But the second one is that the applicant shall comply with all sections of chapter 24 of the land development code and although they review comments and conditions specified by the DRC, can I ask staff if they have complied with that at this point? Yes, they have. Okay, great. There was a traffic study by Craig W. Parogoi. And under the section called Trip Generation was the wording additionally according to studies conducted by ITE traffic associated with LC912 and LC931 is not 100% newly generated. Rather a portion of the traffic is diverted from the existing traffic stream on the adjacent roadway network and it's the next sentence that I'm a little confused about. This is because banks and restaurants are not destination land uses. Instead, patrons stop on their way to slash from other locations, such as home or work. Does that mean that I don't go to the bank or I don't go to a restaurant from home and then we turn home? I think the intention of the wording and I'm not the traffic engineer would be that most people going to a restaurant are saying I am leaving home to go to a restaurant rather than I'm on my way to the restaurant and I'm stopping at the bank would be his intention with that sentence. But he's saying that it's banks are not destination land uses and I'm questioning that. So the land use code that he uses for banks is established by ITE. So maybe that statement wasn't the correct wording that he should have used but the land use code that he used is based on ITE generations, which is an international standard. I understand. Okay. I remain confused, but I understand what you're saying. And the conclusion that he gave is based upon our trip generation comparison as to tail the body of this report. It is a professional opinion of dynamic traffic that the adjacent street system of the city of Oakland Park, Proud County and FDOT will not experience any significant degradation in operating conditions with the development of the site. So I specifically want to highlight that because that's often an issue is a new development going to increase traffic and additional traffic on the problem going to this, it isn't. Correct. But I didn't see anywhere in here the issue that the speaker did bring up and that Patrick brought up also about, I know there was concern with LA fitness that people would not come from nor enter into upon exiting the neighborhood on 38th Street. Are there any safeguards to that concern? So I guess I'm confused with that comment as well. Is the concern that they're trying to enter a planet fitness from our site? Is that the concern? No. The concern about LA fitness had nothing to do with your site. Okay. It simply has to do with when people are exiting alley fitness, there are curbs making it so they have to turn left in other words go east on 30th Street to exit alley fitness and similarly to come from the east, going west on 38th Street, to enter into alley fitness. Those curbs, I'm sure, help, but they're not fully effective. So I wonder if there are any ways that you all have devised that might help the concern of the neighborhood, not having additional traffic going into or come from the neighborhood. So part of the traffic generation and part of that statement that Craig Paragoy did would be to understand if a certain number of trips would require any right turn lanes or any type of tests for any offsite improvements for roadways. And this land use code did not require any of those based on the number of trips that were provided for the chase bank. So there were no offsite improvements that were needed based on the traffic generations that we ran for this project. That being said to enter into the site, we did code requirements for radial dimensions so that people coming in and out of the site met code with the city and FDOT So the access point to northeast 38 would comply with all city code requirements for the return radii Does that answer the question for safety concerns? Has adequately I think that as you be able to do at this point. So thank you, at least for responding to that. It might be something that you all might want to consider. Please. I think to the gentleman's point, and as I'm looking at the side plan, the way it looks there, you can enter and exit the bank if you're coming eastbound on 38. You can make a left into that. I know exactly what you're coming eastbound on 38th. You can make a left into that. I know exactly what you're talking about. People used to go in there, turn around to go into the LA fitness. In this case, they'd have to drive all the way around the building. They're gonna be able to get in and interrupt me if I'm saying something incorrect. They're gonna be able to get into the bank from eastbound 38th Street they're also going to be able to get into it from westbound 38th Street and it looks like they can make a left as if I'm reading this correctly they can make a left out of the bank onto on to eastbound 38 so they have all the options unlike the LA fitness and so my suspicion is that it might not be quite as big of a problem. The LA fitness is always going to be a problem. There's unfortunately nothing because that coming out of that is ridiculous. I totally get it. I don't think you're going to have that problem here. Especially since it's a bank, because after 5 o'clock, unless somebody's going to the ATM, and that might be one or two people at the most at eight o'clock at night, I would hazard a guest set according to the traffic studies, you know, during the peak hours, and I think what they mean by a destination that people don't sit at home going, you only think I'm gonna go to the bank now. Well, I know people that do, but most people don't. They go, you know, on the way home and the stop at the bank, I think is probably what they're meaning by. It's not a destination, you know, unless there's something at the bank that they absolutely just want to see. But I don't see that problem. So to address your concerns and they are absolutely valid concerns, I'm hoping you won't have that issue as much as when there was a restaurant there was probably even worse because you know it wasn't well And now that's just I would also like to highlight because it is a problem I get it It is an existing driveway that is full movement today and we're improving it with our radial dimensions and bringing it up to code and we're reducing the trips based on what's there today. Thank you. OK, if staff could just add to that as well. Please. As as the traffic study had indicated, trips will be reduced. The intensity of the site now, even though it has been demolished, reduced. The intensity of the site now, even though it has been demolished, but the previous intensity of the site has actually been lowered. So during the DRC review and we have Jave Flynn engineering that reviews all the traffic engineering plans, all the civil plans, circulation, as well as fire department and planning and zoning. But we definitely see this use as a lower intensity. And as you had stated, Mr. Gross, we we we saw it as a lower intensity. So also want to add that there was a drive driveway or an ingress egress off of federal that has also been enclosed as well. So they did actually do an off site. So I mean, it's adjacent, but it's they also enclosed a ingress egress while working with F dot. So F dot did also take a look at the site plan as well. So just to let everyone know. Thank you. Speaking about the site plan on the last page of the traffic study, and also the site development plan page four, it indicates the setback of the building from the property line of 64.8 inches. Although the site development plan, FH4, it has 66.6 inches. So there seems to be an inconsistency there. My question also is, is this the most recent rendering with the most recent agreed upon setback of an additional five feet? I understand there was some interest on the part of staff. And I'll say where about that in a minute to have, as you were talking about, having the building closer to federal highway. So, and I think there was an agreement that you would do it with an additional at least five feet closer, but it was concerned for security reasons to not have it more than that. So I'm wondering what the actual figures are now. So the site plan C-100 would have the current setbacks and you're right, when we originally submitted, we had a larger setback and then to comply with staff recommendations to bring the building closer, we did bring the building closer. So perhaps in the traffic statement, the setback is five feet different. I'd have to check that out. So what is the final distance from the property line from the Eastern property line to the building? Based on the approved site plan, it's 56.6 feet. 56. So that's about 10 inches less or 10 feet. I'm sorry, 10. Wait, you said 56 inches no. 56.6 feet. So that's about 10 feet closer to the property line red than the five feet. I'm not objecting. I think it's wonderful. So we brought it 10 feet closer. Okay. Well, great. Or perhaps that dimension was not taking into an account in a canopy. I'd have to check. But the final approved dimension is 56.6 feet. Okay. Great. Thank you. This was one of the examples of Supervisor City planner Craig Southerns looking out for the aesthetic-villain vision in Olden Park under the leadership of Director of Engineering and Community Development, Sierra Moreiro. Specifically in the DRC review, I'm trying to give credit where it's due. So often we will get elevations and renderings that look like boxes. So we're trying to create a certain aesthetic sensibility in our city. So in the second DRC review responses, letter A, page three of eight, quote to align with the city's vision of creating vibrant landscape to frontage standards and a pedestrian friendly environment, it is strongly recommended and advisable to reconfigure the building's eastern facade closer to North Federal Highway. And the response of the applicant of the developer is the building has been relocated approximately five feet closer to the North Federal right away to comply with the city's landscape buffer and the rest we've really stated already. So and you're saying basically it appears to be about 10 feet. So maybe from the originally submitted plan correct. Got it. Okay. So I just want to commend Craig and Sierra for trying to make new construction reflect the kind of aesthetic that we'd like to see in the city and for the applicant to be amenable to that. I'm not sure I'm totally thrilled with the final result as it is now, and I might suggest maybe some kind of interesting architectural design that might be done that would not be cost-very-benefit. So part of the last submission before approval we did provide enhanced architectural design on the northern facade of the building so that was included as well to be amenable with staff with their recommendations for that code section and Craig you can correct me if I'm wrong. Yes so I mean during the two thank you to DRCs a lot of the basic architectural components that we take a look at here in the city are primarily as you as you indicated breaking that box up busting that roof line up a little bit plain projection and then also the glazing and the fenestration so they met all of the requirements that the DRC has put on them. We do actually have some working architectural standards that the city staff has brought up before, but they are not currently amended, or they're not techs of minminch yet. But we do try to definitely utilize an architectural perspective during the DRC process. But if the Planning and Z zoning board has any additional this, I mean, you can make recommendations or conditions if you like, that's part of the conditional use process. So, but the DRC was satisfied and did approve the site plan. Thank you. And thank you for that encouragement. Yeah, definitely. Thank you. And thank you for that encouragement. Yeah. Is there landscaping that's going to compensate for the large setback from federal highway? Yes. We have a 10-foot fully landscape buffer compliant with code and I believe above code minimum Around the building and on the north side as well Great, I mean, I know security is a concern. So you don't want to have it overly Correct. They have chase on their national standards has sept head requirements Crime and prevention for their sites so we comply with all of their safety concerns and code and then we also do sustainability as well as part of that. Great. Great. Will there be a sidewalk and look like in the drawings that there is from federal highway to the building? There is. sidewalk that crosses over the road. Is there going to be, and if not, Mike, there'd be considered to be papers in that section to have the drivers aware that this is a pedestrian crossing. So we have the pedestrian crossing signs and it's a new Chase 2024 standard to have concrete across the right, across the drive aisles. So there's no asphalt anymore. So it's striped and concrete, one, so that contractors do not mess up the ADA slope requirements, but also to bring awareness that it stands out from asphalt to concrete. Great, as long as it stands out, it's distinctive and drivers become aware of. That's great. That's all I have. Okay. I want to, before we vote, I want to thank you and Chase for your investment in our city and in its future. Thank you very much and thank you to staff because they've been great and very helpful and I think we've worked as a team with my team as well. So thank you very much. My class. My class. Thank you to staff. Have any additional questions or comments? You look like you're about to speak. That's why I am. OK. With that, then I'll ask for a motion. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. You look like you're about to speak. With that, then I'll ask for motion to approve. You want to add the parts about the suggested requirements for the DRC. Yes, but the suggested requirements from the DRC. Is there a second? Second. We have a real colleague, please. Member Gros. Yes. Member King. Yes. Member Peterson. Yes. Chair Dorn. Yes. Next we go on to agenda item number four and I'll turn it over to the city attorney. I'm sorry. Item three. Is this specific? No. No. Yeah, this is item three. It's just number. Did I get the wrong agenda item number? Public hearing to consider an application by Taco Bell of America LLC 17677 requesting conditional use approval for the installation of a double drive through as an accessory to a proposed principal use of a restaurant pursuant to section 2441 D26. Subject property is located at 593 East Oakland Park Boulevard. Identified the parcel identification number 4942-305-5950. Thank you. Does the city have a presentation? Yes we do. It's the second out of three tonight. But it is the second conditional use request for a drive-through but this is double, the shot it just indicated. So it's for an existing Taco Bell that is proposing to be demolished. We'll get into the details here but it is located at 593 East Oakland Park Boulevard. As I had indicated it's an installation of a double drive-through as an accessory to a proposed principal use of a newly constructed fast food restaurant. So currently existing at the subject property, the Taco Bell that exists there now with a single drive-through is 2,474 square feet. What is being proposed is a completely new Taco Bell that is going to be smaller. It's going to be 2187 square feet, but it will have that double drive through double menu ordering menu board component to it. So the owner is Taco Bell of America LLC number 17677. It's located in the future land use designation of commercial. Currently has a zoning district of B1 and the subject property is 0.67 net acres. Take a look at the site plan up here. I know these are kind of hard to read so forgive staff for this. But the first neighborhood participation meeting was held just not that long ago in April of this year, April 18th, and the first and only DRC meeting that was held was June 27th. So the DRC did approve the final plan set that was submitted on August 30th of this year. Take a look at the future land use map designation. You'll see that both to the east and west. We've got commercial designations to the north. We have a low density residential with five dwelling units per acre. And then to the south, with the city of Wild Manors, they have a Toc West, which is their transit-oriented corridor designation. So take a look at the zoning map. You'll see that the subject property is completely surrounded by B1 except for the north. Even in the wilderness side they also have a very similar zoning designation as the city of Oakland Park does. To the north is R2 to family residential district directly north of the subject property is a duplex in a single-family house Directly to the east is an advanced auto park store to the south Within wild manners. We've got a checkers fast food and a tire and hubcat business and then over to the west We've got satellite auto glass located in city of Oakland Park. If you take a look real quick, you'll see the rendering for the brand new Taco Bell, which the applicants worked incredibly well with staff during the DRC to get to this design. But very briefly, I'll go through a couple of the proposed improvements that are going to be within the site plan. 12 regular parking spaces and one ADA parking space for total of 13. Two inverted ground mounted U racks for bicycle parking. They're also going to have outdoor seating of 148 square feet, which will be wrapped around with landscape buffering. The site plan is also including 32.8% per views landscape green area, which exceeds the 25% requirement. On the north side is a buffer between the B1 zoning district to the fast food restaurant and the duplex and just overall the two family zoning district. There is currently an existing five foot concrete masonry wall but pursuant to our 200 forgive me. Our 2022 landscape and street scape standards eight feet is the minimum requirement for a wall between B1 and R2 and the applicant is meeting that. So as was similarly discussed at the Chase bank, you'll see that the double drive-through will include 296 feet of inbound stacking space for up to 12 cars. And then when it comes to signage, there is currently an existing off-premises freestanding sign that encapsulates two signs, actually one for advanced auto parts and then also one for Taco Bell. The DRC has requested that they remove the Taco Bell sign off of that existing poll sign but also we're indicating that advanced auto parts can keep their nonconforming poll sign up and tell any new improvements come or until 2029 pursuant to the code. But a comprehensive sign plan covering all the proposed signage for the development will be submitted to the Planning and Zoning Division before city commission reviews the conditional use. So again, pursuant to section 24, 165C, staff has found, and the DRC has found that this project meets all the technical criteria, pursuant to that code section, and the applicant's agent, Hope Cowhoon, who is here tonight, is also provided a letter of intent and a justification narrative that indicates that the application has met all the required criteria. There are four conditions that the DRC are recommending to be approved. The first one addresses basically that existing non-conforming signage that is currently off premises and not located on the subject property of the new Taco Bell. So that condition is basically indicating that the existing structure will and the only portion of that structure will be the Taco Bell signage will be removed off of that existing poll sign and then that pull sign can remain within the advanced auto part sign. Now if the applicant chooses to put a new freestanding monument sign on the subject property of the newly proposed Taco Bell, then they can definitely do that and they can submit that within their comprehensive sign plan package. So that would be the first condition. The second condition is basically the five-foot concrete masonry wall be extended and be raised to meet the minimum eight-foot height standard between the R2 Zoni district and the B1. And then for the third condition, the installation of two inverted ground mounted U-Racks for bicycle parking, and to meet the basic standards for signage. And then for the relatively general condition that the applicant shall comply with all other sections of chapter 24 of the land development code. So we're gonna turn it over to the applicant shall comply with all other sections of chapter 24 of the land development code. So we're going to turn it over to the applicant here, but it is the planning and zoning boards preview to consider this request for the conditional use, for the installation of a double drive through. Thank you. Thank you, Greg. Does the applicant have a presentation, which I have appears that she does? Good evening. Good evening. I see it. You can't hear yourself. I'll actually say this while I'm introducing myself. Hello. Hope Calhoun, Land Use Council for the applicant. We have a presentation, but we don't have to go through it. It really mimics what's that? The wonderful presentation presented by Mr. Southern. So we can go through it or we can skip it. It's completely the purview of the board. What would the board like? I have a unanimous skip. All right. I will say if I can- Please feel free to- Oh, sorry, sir. You're welcome. I know you're welcome. And my job, he did my job so well. I don't have to do much. I will say- But please feel free to add anything you'd like. Thank you. We just wanted to say we're very excited about this. This Taco Bell has been on this location at this location. We think for probably about 15, 20 years at least, so it's time for an upgrade. So that's what we're doing here. We are completely demolishing the existing building, and you've already seen the proposed improvement to what we're doing here, the improvement. It's not just of the building, but also of the thank you, but also of the drive through itself. So where we had a single we're shrinking the building and by that we're able to provide to drive through lanes which is going to improve circulation and service. So there will be no issues with regard to stacking or again customer service. So with that I think we've covered everything between Mr. Sutherland and myself. We are happy to answer questions I keep saying we because I have a team with me and we hope that you would approve based on our meeting the criteria for the conditional use approval. Great. Do you want to introduce them? They can say hi. I don't think they really want to speak. So that's why I'm here. I thought maybe you just wanted to say who they are. I want to give them credit because they're great but no Okay, we're here to answer questions. Thank you. Thank you This has been advertised as a public hearing. I would anyone like to speak please feel free to come forward and you've up to four minutes to speak Seeing no one I close the public hearing and I'll turn it over to the board for discussion and questions Okay, so as I'm looking at the side plan and the stacking It it appears as I'm interpreting this correctly and if I'm not please let me know If there's you know if there's a sale on taquitos and there's a bunch more cars. Which way are they stacking? Are they stacking into the property adjacent? Are they stacking then curling around towards the south? Towards the south. Towards the south. There's plenty of space in front of the building itself. For them to stack another question is If there's a bunch of people I mean 12 spaces. I'm you know, I'm sure it complies the RC but You know where these people gonna park if there's more you know, I'm concerned like if you get a big rush You know, we've all seen it at restaurants, you know, if there's a big rush where people are sitting when they're waiting in this set and the other, which segues me into my other question, there's no bypass. So a couple of things, let me, let me amend my first answer and say you can, you can have a choice, right, whether you choose to line up on the adjacent or around the building, I guess the people that utilize a site can make the decision. But we have to tell you, we exceed what's required as was presented by staff. So the idea of running out of space for the cars is very highly unlikely. Your staff does an amazing job, did an amazing job of making sure that we not just met but exceeded some of the requirements. So kudos to them. I meant to say that in my original report. So, again, we have plenty of parking, I believe we exceed the parking required. So we just don't anticipate cars parking at Taco Bell being an issue for this property, which is again why we're making the improvements that we're making. I understood. I got more. The new wall to the north, the eight foot tall wall. I'm assuming that on the north side, there's gonna be some landscaping there as well. I'd hate to be living there and looking at a blank eight foot wall. On the other side. On the resident side. On the other side of the the resident side of the resident side. We are definitely room for landscaping. I can't remember quite honestly. It's been a one. We are. You are. Okay. As I said, if I were living in that house and good, there's an eight-foot wall because I guarantee you're going to be able to hear with more landscaping You won't be able to hear you know The people inside the restaurant talking to the cars because that's generally a problem as well on an architectural note I'm happy to see what you guys come with having just worked on a very difficult Miami Grill I like you know I difficult Miami Grill. I like, you know, I'd like to just comment on the architectural miss, if you will, of the building. Certainly, a huge improvement over what's there now. It's your right, it's time for to bring it up into the 21st century. So, there seems to be a trend with the fast food restaurants. He stays to sort of modernize and get away from the old had with still having brand recognition because obviously to any business brand recognition is important. So, um, okay. I think you fancy all my. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. Yeah. You're gonna thank you. Hello. Hi Mr. King. How are you doing? Great. All right. I'm going to take it. Hello. How you doing? Great. Wow. So that Taco Bell has been there for a long time. I remember walking as a little kid to that Taco Bell. So with that being said, with two things, I got a apologize because the neighborhood participation meeting was actually on April 18th, which is my birthday. I think it's right there. And I was not there. So I did. We're celebrating? Yeah, I was celebrating. So yeah. You made the right choice. Right. So I remember when, and I know now a lot of kids from the neighborhood still walk that back entrance, where that wall is, with a satellite of glass. Is there any walkways that are gonna be for the neighborhood to possibly walk up to the entrance? I mean, cause a lot of the traffic, I've got Oakland Park Boulevard, we got six AF. Is there any opportunity for residents to walk to the pedestrian, to walk to the Taco Bell? You mean the sidewalk connection? Yeah, any sidewalk connection? 30 seconds to the uh Taco Bell. You mean the sidewalk connection? Yeah, inside walk connection. 30 seconds to the to the yeah that might not lead out to six out because there's a lot of traffic right there. Nothing. Nothing. We're checking, but I don't think I'm going to lose it. All right. Okay. Um yeah, other than that. Oh, you're checking. Okay. Oh, yeah, other than that, I mean, like you say, you're working on that back wall. So definitely some landscape would be nice because it is a duplex or something on that north side of that wall. So that would be nice. That looks amazing. Yeah. Yeah. There is actually pedestrian connectivity, as you can see right here at that front crosswalk So I mean it is going to it's it's better than what's there now. Yeah, right absolutely. Okay. Okay. Okay Just want to all right Yeah, there's it's definitely need for change in that particular layout that looks nice Yeah, just they're trying to get used to drive. I mean, going inside and talking to them, not talking to people, but I guess the drive through a makeup for it. So yeah, and I like the seating outside. So now we can talk about Tuesday, and talk about Bill, I mean, the kids. So yeah, appreciate that. So yeah. You're welcome. Yeah. Bringing the community together. That's what you're doing. Yeah. community together. Yes, so in that note, wow, you bring a community together. I mean, the drive that was going to probably need more people actually work there. So it's a lot of people in that community. I know it's a couple of kids that actually work there now. So maybe that's something for the future for us to, you know, possibly looking to with Taco Bell. So we can, you know, look into that also. All right. Well, I think all of my questions have been covered by all of you. Other than I just wondered what did you have any participation at the public meetings and what was the feedback? I think we might have had one or two folks on our call and generally it was positive. They were just asking kind of the same general questions. What are you doing? We're making it one by one. No objections that I can recall. Good. Thank you. First, it's good seeing you again. And I want to thank Taco Bell for their continued investment in Oakland Park. And several wonderful things about this application. I'm going to sit down while you go on. Sure. Wonderful things. Okay. I will continue to say wonderful things wherever you are. Thank you. The benefits of the two drive through lanes, it reduces backup congestion and efficiency in placing orders more quickly and greater quantity per unit of time to hasten preparation time for orders to be ready for the time the car gets up to the pickup window. So it's not that you're just handling more cars. It's that inside they get the order, like more orders rather than one at a time. So when the cars get to the in the exterior design of the building. And again, I'm going to refer to the DRC comments of Craig Southern and the response. This is the letter D quote to enhance the visual and aesthetic appeal of the proposed building. Please break up the straight roof line to prevent the structure looking monotonous and box-like. This can involve features like varied roof heights and features additional elements and detailing, material variation, et cetera. And the response of you or Taco Bell is, quote, roof line has been revised based on July 15th call. And that's great. So I want to commend staff. I don't want to commend you. Oh, you're pointing back there. So is that the designer, the architect? Well, anyway, thank you for your work. Because it's just so much more of an interesting, aesthetically interesting building. I think the outdoor seating is great. To me, I don't know why there aren't more outdoor seating restaurants. Oh, it's a little hot. Well, but not at all. Fans, fans were. The Bicycle of Racks are great. I'm glad that DRC required them raising the wall and the north side of the property from five feet to eight feet is great. I understand the existing wall is going to be demolished entirely and replaced with concrete masonry, I understand. And what will it look like? Will it be painted? And aesthetically, what it'll look like? I'm believe it will just be painted a white masonry wall. OK. Concrete block stucko. It'll have stucko. It'll have a finish on it. OK. Okay. Concrete block stuck out. It'll have stuck out. It'll have a finish on it. Okay. Great. It won't just be concrete blocks. Correct. It'll be stuck out. It'll have a great. It'll be smitten up the building. Patrick kind of alluded to this and you also. A lot of people enter and line up for the drive-through through the car supply store, the back of that. So there are then are going to be two ways that the cars will enter the drive-through. through. I don't know if that's problematic or if that should be somehow prevented or if that's helpful to have that. I don't know if the property, the car supply ownership is okay with that but I just noticed personally witnessing that. So I wonder if there's any comments about that. I think that as cars enter from either direction, they'll just have to decide the best way again. So we have two, remember, we just had one lane for drive-through now we have two. So people will have options. And I think they'll be able to figure out what's most efficient for them in order to get their tacos safely. OK. out what's most efficient for them in order to get their tacos safely. Okay. Do you know... Well, I'll lead that to you if that's kosher for the ownership of the auto supply place. I guess that's between you and them. We have an agreement between the parties. Oh, great. Great. Perfect. So it's a win win. I have here my notes about security in the DRC comments by officer Chuck Howard wondering if they're complied with. Specifically, he wanted to do safe located in an office, but I guess you all or the company preferred, it felt it's safer to have it under the counter because then if someone's trying to break in, it's visible. They're not in a private room. Am I correct in that? And is that okay then with that arrangement? And the second thing is the staff originally was suggesting motion, I'm sorry, panic buttons. And the response was that it felt that created more problems and that the better solution would be for there to be motion detectors both around the registers and the front counter. I wonder if staff is okay with that. Okay and am I correct in what I'm saying that that's what Taco Bell prefers? That's Steve, guess. Agreement, yes. Okay, great. Then I just had the four conditions that the DRC is recommending. And they've been already discussed. And so I just want to commend staff and you all for the collaboration to come up with an even better product. Thanks. It's raining. Yes, please. Is that standard now for Taco Bells to have? Um, Yes, it is. Okay. Here's what's standard, Kobe? Motion and yes, sensors. Times change. That something did happen at that Taco Bell a while ago, but yeah, okay. Thank you. Anything else? Please, more just a comment. I'm glad you have an agreement with the business next door because I am, as you heard with the previous applicant about cars packing up on the major roads because it's a huge problem. So I'm glad you guys have that. I also just want to acknowledge the excellent work of Kristen, who I'm well acquainted with. I think you guys did a great job. Yes. They are both very talented. So that's all I got to say. Thank you. And is there a motion? I move that we recommend that the commission approve the conditional use request by Taco Bell of America, LLC, number 1767 for the installation of a double drive through as an accessory to a proposed principal use of a restaurant pursuant to section 24401D26 with the attached conditions as recommended by the DRC. And a second. Oh, second. Can we have a roll call? Really? Leave this. Member Gruss? Yes. Member King? Yes. Member Peterson? Yes. Chair Doran? Yes. Thank you. I'm great to see you, Jack. Have a good evening. Yeah, too. And I will move on to agenda item and my correction number five. It's four on one. Either way. Public hearing to consider amending the Code of Ornances, Chapter 24, Land Development Code by specifically amending Section 2464 to G. Entitled Repairs, Section 2465, Entitled Current License Plates plates in section 24 79 810 entitled repair and maintenance to vehicles to require restrictions for repair and maintenance of vehicles. Thank you. This has been advertised as a public hearing. Oh, sorry. Does the city have a presentation. Whoops. Staff does not have a presentation, but we're open for discussion on this text amendment. The director of Sierra Marrero will be discussing that. Proposed text amendment. OK. Thank you. This event, I've advertised as public hearing. I would anyone like to speak on this topic. Please step forward. Seeing none, how close the public hearing and turn it over to the board. Don't fight. So I was reading through the amendment and the existing code and I was a little confused. Can you just paraphrase it a little bit for me? Maybe it's because it was Monday. It was probably because it was Monday. It was probably because it was Sunday. It was Sunday, so. Absolutely. C.M. Marrairo, Director of Engineering and Community Development. So the code generally, what the idea is is to go ahead and enforce that there's a limitation on how long that a vehicle can be in a residential driveway under that's being worked on. It seems to be a reoccurring complaint throughout the city code enforcement has a lot of difficulties in enforcing those issues that are reoccurring. So the reason that the text amendment is a little bit interesting is that we do actually have a portion of the code that is only specific to the annexed areas. And that's where you'll see, and I don't have the code section in front of me, I apologize. You'll see that first text amendment in the 79A10, 24-79A10, that's for the repair maintenance First, I'm going to take a second. I'm going to take a second. First, I'm going to take a second. First, I'm going to take a second. First, I'm going to take a second. First, I'm going to take a second. First, I'm going to take a second. First, I'm going to take a second. First, I'm going to take a second. First, I'm going to take a second. language that they had, modify it to what code enforcement needs, and then find the proper section to enforce it around the entire city, which is why we then move into the 2464 and 2465 sections. We actually did not have a section for repair and maintenance in that section of the code for the supplemental regulations, so we tried to kind of pin it in there with that license requirement since it also has to deal with the vehicles. So we tried to kind of pin it in there with that license requirement since it also has to deal with the vehicles. So that's why you see it's a little bit interesting how we manipulated it, but we actually had two sections of the code in order to cover the entire city. Got it. Thank you. You're welcome. Now it makes sense. Now interesting. Okay. I have a couple of things. I have a few questions just about little details. Like in 2465, and I know this you know this is existing but repairs to private passenger vehicles, but et cetera et cetera and I'm under C1. Shall be permitted only inside residential enclosed garage. That just seems very risk I mean I understand why we're doing this and I'm glad we're doing this. But like if Eric wants to change the alternator in my mini and we don't have a garage, am I actually violating code then if we do that because it's not, and which leads me to another thing, I know it says minor repairs, but then we kind of say we do say under 2479A10 item B it specifies what those minor repairs are. So it says tire battery we got rid of spark plug or oil replacement and that's really specific which is good because we don't want somebody pulling an engine and you know, I know there are homes that are being used as car repair centers off the books. So I know that's what we're trying to avoid. But also it's really specific. So like that's what I'm saying is like if he's in the driveway and he's switching out my altering and which he's done before. Am I actually violating code that are we being a little too specific there? Or do we need to be specific to avoid running into issues? Absolutely. And as you can see, we actually did strike spark plugs for that reason that actually our city attorney made a point of it as words of spark plugs. And some scenarios you might have to do more work to get to that specific spark plug to your point. So the intent of the code is to prevent some scenarios you might have to do more work to get to that specific spark plug to your point. So the intent of the code is to prevent really the long term repairs that are leading to maybe them being on center blocks or on jacks for extended periods of time. And alternator is not going to leave a car and disrepair where there's pieces laying all over the place. So you may have removed the alternator gone to the store, gotten the new one and replaced it. So I believe that we put in there that it was a two hour limit. So that way if we see that there's something that's been sitting there for days and days on ends, that triggers the ability to ask what repairs are being done, how long has it been sitting like this, and that way we can enforce that code. That's it. like this and that way we can enforce that code. So that's why the two hours is there. I was going to ask that too just because my previous car had odd ball size tires. And so like if we were changing that tire or sometimes it would have to actually, we'd have to wait a day before the tire came in. But that would be considered on a case by case basis. Because that would actually be over two hours, but it also isn't that it's just sitting on blocks for a month in my driveway. Correct. Correct. And that would be something that would be correctable very easily with code if they happen to come out in that scenario. Gotcha. And my one other question, the no-audi-bottie work in painting is prohibited in a residential area. I know we probably all use like dent doctor or people like that. Like if you know your door gets stained when you're in the parking lot and they come out to you. But they do minor bodywork and minor painting. Is that again just a that would probably fall under your your two-hour your minimal exactly because what what that the the code was actually trying to do is to prevent having the paint booths so you'll have sure residential areas that they're setting up a paint booths and running a business in the front yard. Exactly. Right. So, yes. Okay. That's it. Is he else? It's not. Ask for a motion. What? You're trying. Oh, actually, I do hit one quick thing. I'm sorry. I don't know where the spark plugs are. I don't know. You didn't think I'd have at least one question anyway. I was surprised Just a definition of enclosed garage Does that mean the door has to be closed or can the door be open? You're not supposed to be able to see the vehicle from the streets is the intention If you have the door open while you're working on it during the day I'm sure that's acceptable, but you're not going to leave the garage door open 24 hours at that point. But the intention is to not be able to see the car that's sitting there for say two, three weeks while you're working on something sitting in the garage. You're going to have that close when you're not working on it. Assuming so. I don't know how to reduce the ambiguity. I just wouldn't want that to be a problem for staff or enforcement. Well, my garage isn't closed. You know, I have the door open, but it's been closed. It needs a definition of an enclosed garage. So just something to think about. I don't have any problem really with how this is word the way it is. That's it. So can I ask for a motion? I move that we recommend that the City Commission adopt the ordinance amending the City's land development code by specifically amending Section 24642G entitled repairs. Section 24 to 65 entitled current license plates and section 24 to 79 A and 10, entitled repair and maintenance of vehicles to require restrictions for repair and maintenance of vehicles. Second. Can we have a roll call, please? Member Gruss. Yes. Member King. Yes. Remember King. Yes. Remember Peterson. Yes. Chair Dorn. Yes. So other under other business. I have something but is there anyone else who has something? Staff actually has other business. Well, all right then. If the board can take a look out here at the audience, we've actually, luckily, we've got two new staff members that have just recently joined the Planning and Zoning Division. And they have acclimated perfectly to the division so far. Valeria Hernandez, she has been with us for the last four or five months. She is our planner. She just recently got her certified floodplain manager. We luckily got a chance to steal her from code enhancement. They're still mad at us, but it's OK. We want out. And then we've got Diego Pana Loza he is our new senior planner that we've he's coming in from Broward County where he's been working or he worked for the past five years or Diego Valerio you guys want to say anything? Welcome welcome. We're overjoyed that they're here. I said. Finally last month we finally got a chance to introduce Leah Castro. Yes, I was I was remiss there and I'm so glad that you did. So you're looking at the you know the majority of the planning and zoning division right here. Well, thank you all for being here tonight and for joining a great staff. Yep. Thank you. Anything else before I get into what? I'm wondering, you know, when I first joined the board, I didn't know Borscht. I didn't know what various terms meant. What's a PLAT? You know, what's the land use map? And how's that different from a zoning map? And how's it different from all the different other kinds of maps and and all the different kind of criteria to determine if an application is Acceptable or if it meets the various criteria with all these criteria are so I'm wondering if and I'm still not clear about a lot of things So like what is the local planning the Howard County Planning Council? So I just had introduced more formally to that recently. So and what kinds of things come before us and what kinds of things don't come before us? What are the criteria for that? So I'm wondering if staff is if the board members, if you are interested, maybe at the end of each meeting, you know, based on whatever things you want to talk about or have staff educate us more about if that would be something that you all would be interested in. Sure. Just sort of a Q&A with staff. Yeah. Or whatever format, you know, if you want them to make a presentation, if you want to have Q&A, if you want to prize them beforehand, next time I want to talk about this and this, you know, or leave it to them, you know, whatever. It's all open. It would be an email too. Yeah, if I could propose, it would probably be beneficial for staff if we had an idea, like every meeting, what you'd like to learn about or discuss at the next meeting so that we could prepare a presentation or get something together for you guys. We'd absolutely love to support that endeavor. We know this is a complex world of planning and zoning. And so you guys have a big role. We want to make sure you're getting information, but also learning in the process also. So if we do have a presentation, if we're meeting, then I just request that we know what you'd like to request for the next meeting so that we can prepare that ahead of time. I'm glad you asked that, Jack, because I didn't realize today that we were, when he's the world allowed, but that we were at liberty to comment on the architectural, you know, maybe you know or don't know my background, working as an architect for 30 plus years in and around South Florida. So I definitely have opinions as you might imagine. We highly encourage our potential opinions. It's all good. So I wasn't, you know, so to Jack's point about learning about more what we're able to do and what we're able to comment on and you know what comes before us and what doesn't and why, you know, it's a good suggestion. So anyway, I'll shut up now. So, so maybe what we could do is if we as I might be useful to do that sort of as things come up, when something comes before us, if we have before thinking, well, what what does that mean? Exactly. Maybe we let you know and you can let staff know that we might like a little tutorial about what conditional use really entails or whatever for the next meeting. Let me know in between. Yeah, and so for the next meeting, we'd really like a more in-depth tutorial of specifically what does conditional use mean and how should you look at it or whatever it is that I don't know. And then you would know ahead of time, hey, we want a tutorial in conditional use or something. If I could add to that, maybe I'm certainly open to that also at the at the end of each meeting maybe there might be things that you all would like but you know already that you'd like the staff to talk about for them at the next meeting. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's true too. If something comes up during the meeting that you're like, because you have you got you got you know, but you're fine. Well, they have plenty of time on their hands. Now that you're full staff. That's fine. It will actually be a good opportunity for the board but also for staff for us to compile information for new board members that join, that we'd be able to provide that to them. So I think it provides a very good opportunity for us to break things up and kind of create those documents too. I also just want to indicate that at any time, any individual board member wants to come in and meet with staff for kind of like a one on staff, kind of experience, we can can provide that as well. We've done that with a couple of the previous Board of Adjustment members. I kind of commented on that. But I mean, we'd be more than happy to make a presentation or, you know, hope to educate or interpret portions of the code. And luckily we have Sean here as well to help. So yeah, there might be some legal. I think we should put Sean in the rotation of presentations. I had to bring Sean in. Yeah, I personally would like like all these different maps. There's county maps, there's state maps, there's city maps, you know, land use and zoning and I would love some kind of talk about that so I can you know because each one has a different function and then there are these overlays district, overlay districts so that even adds another layer of things. So it gets, and there are different criteria for each overlay district. And so, I personally get some point. I would like to look, I mean, I have some idea of that, but I'd like to be clearer. So would we like our first education series to be on maps? Well, what are the people? I think that's what are the people? I think that's let's start with that. Maps and what did you do? To Jack's point, which would actually help me, despite dealing with planning and zoning boards and see work for many years. Terminology is a good thing. Sometimes I think cities have different definitions for the same thing. So it would be very helpful for things like platt and conditional use and a little bit more of just some definition of that way it'll help make us more efficient as well. I was going to add, I think when I first joined planning and zoning, I think one of the things I got was like a glossary of terms. And I don't, I don't know where it is. I'm pretty sure I got one. It's not in this notebook, but there may be one floating around. And I actually really relied on that initially, you know, because literally like what? So what's a plan and a parcel and all that? So and there I got a, I think I have a glossary kind of a hand. So maybe that's something we can all get another copy of and just, and whenever somebody joins the board to get that so that we have a little reference manual. Did you, because I know you're our newest member, when you met with the clerk, did you get that? Or? I did. I actually had my office. So I did. OK, so I'll touch base with the clerk. Yeah, there is. So they're still giving them out. That's great. I did receive it. I mean, unfortunately, that I have access to additional resources that my you know through my office and my work but yes it's a handy it's a helpful thing and I have it. Great. Great as well. So if it's okay with the board I will get a copy of what's provided to new members from the clerk and we can distribute that to the board so that you guys have it for your record. Okay. So how should we leave it? I think we just got our direction. Yeah. Right. But in terms of at the next meeting, do we want to have some kind of talk at the end discussion thing? And if so. And we can just leave it open for possible emails. That they can answer those questions. We want to start with a little map, too. Like here are the kinds of maps we refer to. And what they mean. Talk about maybe a high level overview for the first one of just the hierarchy of maybe the different. Like we have planning council, as Jack mentioned. And we can do a little bit in touch on a little bit of each of the topics. And then that way it'll tell you guys going to say I'd really like to go this direction than that direction we can dive in. It's great to me. It's jumping off point. Cool to everyone. Okay great. Thank you guys. Don't worry. I'll put it together. We got it. We got it. It's got that look on. Do I have a motion for adjournment? I will make a motion to adjourn. Thank you. We are adjourned. Thank you all.