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I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. Good evening supervisors. Good evening staff. Good evening loud. It's a full room tonight for a public hearing. My gosh, look at that. I'm going to call the order to May 14, 2025 loud and kind of supervisors, public hearing. This room has a hearing loop. If you need hearing assistance, please switch your hearing aid to the telephone mode. If you need a headset, we have those available as well. Please do the clerk to request one and with everybody please join me in the pleasure of allegiance. To the United States of America, to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, visible with liberty and justice for all. All of us, every one of us, all of us. Okay, as a reminder to all members of the public, before you address this board this evening, you may only register to speak on matters that are on the docket for this evening's public hearing. Due to the broadcast delay, any member of the public who are not in the board room wishing to address the boards on items, one, two, three, and four, which are on our consolidated hearing agenda, please call the number that is scrolling across your screen at this time. If you have registered to speak, you will be allotted to in a half minutes. If you're in the board room, we ask what your name is called. Please come to the podium. I'll state your name for the record. If you'd like to state the district you live in, you may do that as well. The timer on the podium will indicate you're remaining time. When your time is expired, please yield the podium to the next speaker. If you're providing any comments for your phone, I'm going to ask you to time yourself because while you're speaking, I don't want to stop you because it disturbs your flow. But when you hit your two and a half minutes, I will stop you at that point. So please use your please time yourself. When taking public comments, I will first ask for people in the room and then I will go to the phone I'm moderated today as Alicia Terry. Alicia, I'm going to ask you do you have anybody on the phone to speak right now? No, I do not manage. No, you do not. Okay, thank you, ma'am. When taking public input for items, I will, I will. All right, then that already. Please note that there's a slight delay between the broadcast and the boardroom. I did get a message from Supervisor Turner. He will be running late this evening. I'm sure he'll be here as soon as possible. I have not heard from Supervisor Sains this evening. So he usually is trying to get back from his job in DC as fast as possible. So hopefully he will be here soon. All right, the board will first hear the following items as a consolidated hearing. As a reminder, these items have been consolidated because there are no outstanding issues. Staff has recommended approval. The applicant has waived their presentation time and no public speakers have registered in advance. The consolidated items this evening are as follows. Item 1, the proposed conveyance of county property, conveyance of easement within trailside park to the minion energy. That is in the aspirin district since Mr. Turner is not here. I will make that motion, but please remember since Mr. Turner is not here, if he wants to bring that back or do something else with it later on, he's allowed to do that. Item two, proposed conveyance of of county property, conveyance of Eastrends with the in Phillip A. Bolin Memorial Park to Loudon County's annotation authority. That is, I'm sorry, DBA, Loudon Water. That is in the Leisberg District, item three. I remember the chapter 209, the codified California, the city of California, the city of California, the city of California, the city of California, the city of California, like to speak on any of these items? Nope. Miss Terry, is there anybody online who'd like to speak on any of these items? Yes, Madam Chair. There is? Item number, where are you? Item number five, milestone? No, I'm at 1, 2, 3, or 4 right now. The consolidated agenda. No matter chair. Wonderful. Thank you so much. Well, you bought the blow, I'm blow my whole agenda tonight with that answer. It's like, what? Okay, so I'm going to close the public hearing appointments. I'm going to ask you to go to your motion sheet. I will read motion number one again as the as per in district. I'm with the board of supervisors approved motion to be for the approval of the proposed conveyance of easement as provided in the May 14, 2025 public hearing item number one staff report. Is there a second? Second. Second of that motion, discussion on the motion. I don't't have any discussion except to remind you that this is the aspirin district and so Mr. Turner, I want to do something different with that later on. Anybody else? All the people who say aye. Any opposed? That motion will pass 702. With Mr. Turner and Mr. Sains being off the day is item number two is on the Leedsburg district Miss Umstert. Thank you Madam Chair. This is the proposed Convince of County property Convince of easements within Philip A. Boland Memorial Park to Loudon County Sanitation Authority Doing business as loud and water. I moved that the Board of Supervisors approve motion to be for the approval of the proposed conveyance of easements as provided in May 14, 2025 public hearing item number two staff report. So motion remains are a second. May is for meeting second by supervisor glass. Is that who did that? Discussion on the motion supervisor supervisor, I'm still. No discussion. Anybody else? Okay, all in people please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That motion will pass 702. Item number three, I move the board supervisor to approve motion 2b for the approval of the amendment to chapter 209 of the Codifier Ordinance of Loud and Counties provided in the May 14th. Twenty-twenty-five public hearing and with three staff report, I'm sorry just to let you know that it's the amendment to the nine of the Codifier Ordinance about voting precincts and polling places. Is there a second to that motion? Motion May and seconded by supervisor Bricksman, discussion on the motion. Supposed to Bricksman. Thank you, Madam Chair. My colleagues and the public may recall that we had approved opening two early voting locations for the November election. One at the Ashburn Rec Center and one near GW in Algonquin District. Unfortunately, through no fault of staff, the site in Algonquin District at GW fell through and we haven't been able to find a suitable location and won't be able to, probably won't be able to do that in time for the November elections. So I was excited we were going to have two new polling places. We will have one new early voting place this year and we will continue to work on additional sites in the districts that don't have early voting as of now. Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you anybody else. This is um, step. I'm sorry. This glass. Thank you Madam Chair. I'm thrilled that the Ashburn Rec Center is going to be an early voting location beginning this fall. This location will be convene- will be convene- for so many voters in both the 20147 and 20148 areas. I want to thank staff and the board for supporting this expansion expanding access to the ballot box in our county. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you. as all I would say is I am thrilled. Always happy when people have more access to voting, more times, more locations. But I will also say voting is a privilege and a right that we have and people in other places walk miles and miles so they can vote. And so no matter where the voting location is, go vote. All right. All in favor say aye. Any opposed? That motion will pass 702. Although the next item is a county wide item. I do believe Ms. Bricksman didn't bring the running bamboo item. Is that your item? One of you would like to make that much of a glass you want to make this motion? Yes Madam Chair. Okay. go for it. Go out the motions. I know. Thank you. Number four. I move that the Board of Supervisors approved motion to be for the approval of the ordinance to establish the new chapter, a new chapter, 694 of the codified ordinances of Loudon County as provided in the May 14th, 2025 Public Hearing Item number four staff report. Mr. Prispar, I'm sorry to second that. Discussion on the motion, Ms. Glamas. Thank you, Madam Chair. I want to thank Mike Littman and the loud and invasive removal alliance more commonly referred to as Lyra for their efforts in helping us understand the damage invasive species due to our environment and to the damage end of the damage to the the Loud County economy. Also want to thank county staff for all their work on this ordinance and my colleagues for your support. Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you, Ms. Brooksman, anything? Okay. All I would say is yes, thank you, Mike. Thank you, Taliura. Right now we are in the season where some of the invasive bugs that come from invasive plants are starting to hatch. I'm including the spotted lantern fly nymph. That's what it's called. It's a little black bug with little white spots. We understand that there are times in H.O.W.s plant shrubs or flowers or whatever because they think they look good and because they're less expensive. But they are very damaging to our ecosystem in our environment. Loudoun County has asked that at the general assembly level that all invasive plants are not allowed. And we are asking H.O.W.s to stop planting invasive species plants because they are so damaging and we know that that was never the intent that we couldn't have known many years ago when you know when those plants when we started planting those what they were going to be but we know now and we're working really hard to to handle this issue the spotted lantern fly, for instance, is really, really damaging our wine industry. They are just tearing through vineyards. And so planting these trees and shrubs and plants is damaging in many, many ways. And I will also say, if you see the spotted lantern flying nymph or the spotted lantern fly Kill them on site do not free them do not take them away do not be gentle with them Kill them to that is that is kill just kill them That that's it. I normally I'm like, yeah, we love the environment kill those things And let's let's all just be aware that what we're doing is damaging to our environment, to our ecosystem, and to our economy, especially our rural economy. So, H.O.A.'s and everybody else, thank you for helping us, and especially Mike Lippmann and Lira, thank you for helping us. Supervised, this is Brick's Men, Supervised, this is Glass, the running bamboo. We should say it's not the same bamboo that the pan this eat. It's a different bamboo. We know that. And so thanks for bringing that. We appreciate it. All right. All in favor say aye. Any opposed? That motion will pass 702. All right. We're going to go. Let's do the, our Cola Grove. I know it may not take us long, but I think Mr., I'm trying to give Mr. Turner a little bit of time to get here for item number five, the Milestone interchange, because I think he want it to be here. So let's go and do the alcoholic robe item right now. Good evening, everyone. How you doing? Just give me a second. Because my computer did stuff my computer does. Oh my gracious. Okay. Okay. Well, it's not, it keeps like rebooting itself. There it goes. Okay, I got my, you guys, everybody up? You're good with the item? Okay. We think we are ready. We're ready for the presentation. Oh my god, I'm freezing. All right. Okay. Good evening. is Darby Me McCaff with the Department of Planning and Zoning. I'm here tonight to present the application for our Cola Grove Resoning. The subject property is 30.49 acres located west of our Cola Boulevard, south of Isalia Lane, east of Stone Springs Boulevard in the Dulles Election District. This property is zone rural commercial and industrial park under the Loudon County Zoning Ordnance. The property is in the suburban policy area and the suburban employment place type. The application requests a zoning map amendment to rezone approximately 6.98 acres from RC, rural commercial to plan development industrial park, a special exception to permit a transmission substation, and additionally zoning modification to increase the maximum building height from 60 to 100 feet, increasing permitted data center square footage from 614,000 to 786,000 square feet. President on screen is an annotated excerpt of the concept development plan. Data center buildings are indicated in brown in the center of the image, and the substation is indicated in gold on the right-hand side. Good color. Tonight's application is subject to the previously approved our coal of commercial which permitted all pdip uses and reduce step backs. They're outstanding issues with tonight's application to include building height, The utility substation use and landscape offers. The 2019 General Plan envisions heights of two to eight stories and to provide transitions adjacent to less intense residential uses. Application proposes a maximum building height of 100 feet without transitions adjacent to the approved residential uses. Staff cannot support of the modification without transitions and recommend reduced building heights and or step downs and height for the data center buildings. The 2019 General Plan recognizes uses adjacent to residential may be incompatible and anticipates transition or transitional uses to be located between more intensive uses and residential. The application proposes to construct a transmission substation with enhanced buffering and masonry screening wall adjacent to residential uses. Staff cannot support the use cited adjacent to residential without transitional uses being provided. and on screen is an annotated excerpt of the substation use, again indicated in gold. The zoning ordinance anticipates landscape buffers along our coal bullvard and is a laelaine. The application provides buffers along both roadways, additionally as proposed, proffers allow plant units to be substituted as deemed necessary by dominion energy. As proposed, staff cannot determine if zoning ordinance requirements will be met and recommend the substitution language be removed from proffers. The zoning ordinance additionally allows for a maximum of 50% evergreen tree plant units to be provided in landscape buffers. Is there a lane buffering exceeds the 50% maximum in vision in the zoning ordinance. Staff recommend that evergreen plant unit percentages be reduced. Present on screen are buffers that allow for plant unit substitutions indicated in green and the landscape buffer exceeding the maximum evergreen plant units indicated in the dashed green with our colable of art on the bottom of the screen and is alien in the middle. Based on the identified outstanding issues staff cannot support approval of the applications. DTCI staff are available online for transportation questions and staff are available for questions. Thank you. Thank you. I'm sorry. Tell me your name one more time. It's Derby Maccalfe. Mr. Maccalfe, this is your first time at Fernivas? I believe it's the fifth or sixth. Is it really? Yes. I'm sorry. It happens. It's been a couple months. Did a great job. Thank you. That was really helpful. And we probably have lots of questions. And I'll start with Mr. Litterno, because it's his district. Thank you. So kind of cut to the chase a little bit, because I do think this is a little confusing that I understand. There's an existing approval on this site for 614,000 square feet of data center. Correct. That's correct. So we did get some input from the public asking us not to approve this because it's 700 something square feet. Well, it's already 614. So it's an increase over what's existing by 100 and something square feet, right? Correct, it's 614,400 square feet under the prior ZMAP 2020. And this is seeking the increase in height will be at 786,369 square feet. Okay. The other thing that's happening here is the application for the substation. At the time this was heard by the Planning Commission, it was a air cooled substation, which is a traditional open substation that's very unattractive. Under the revised application, it's now a gas insulated substation GIS, which means that it's indoors, right? There is an indoor facility, yes, that's correct. Okay. Do we have other indoor substations in Loudoun? There are other GIS substations within Loudoun County. Yes. Not many though, right? It's not typical. That's correct. Yeah. And it's also a lot more expensive. So one concern I have with the application is the proposed building height for the data center now goes up to 96 feet. You probably don't have this on hand immediately, but could you get to us what the existing heights are of the buildings at Glasgow, which is directly south of this site, as well as what the proposed building height is for our Kola Town Center. There's town homes, there's an affordable housing building and multifamily housing. That's around and the applicant may have this information, I don't know. But if not staff, can you provide that to us subsequently to us? So our call to town center residential was approved for the train that center fringe up to a height of residential of 60 feet. That application is not coming for site plans so specifics are related to those single family attached units as well as the affordable, that's east of the substation use. Scroll back so we can talk about the same thing, is not provided. It's like an ear. And in terms of glass cock, it's approximately 45 feet in height for those single-family attached units. Right. 45 feet. That. Okay. There was a staff comment about plantings on, it was at a zillion lane. I didn't quite understand. So in terms of landscape buffers along a zillion lane, there is the northern section, which is on the southern extent of the substation. Currently the language and the proffer is allows for substitutions of. We're asking for that language to be removed as drafted. That language would allow plant use to be substituted as deemed necessary by dominion but does not detail the scope of substitutions. In terms of what plant units will be provided is not able to be determined. And then on the southern extent of a Zaley Lane, the dash section, it has the same substitution language as well as exceeding the maximum evergreen tree planting requirements. Mr. Latterinal, is glass coq field, is that residences? Yes, that's correct. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Miss Bricksmann. Thank you, Madam Chair. Staff identified building high utility substation and landscape buffers as compatibility issues. Are there any other compatibility issues that staff is concerned about? Not at this time. Okay. And why is a substation, a compatibility issue? The general plan for the suburban employment place type and visions transition uses to be located for between more intensive substation uses and more sensitive residential uses. And it can be less intensive than the substation, but to locate them between the residential use. So it's compatibility with residential uses basically. That's correct. It is the issue. Okay. And just to be clear, the old Arcola School renovation and attainable housing is basically right next to where the substation would be correct correct? A adjacent to the site for Old Arcola residential, there is a cricket field beyond that cricket field is the school and affordable housing. Right. And if the, first of all, let me back up for a second. Do you recall the name of the application when the 600,000 square feet was approved? It's our our Colagrow of Commercial. It was our Colagrow of Commercial. Okay. Okay. It's probably linked in here. I can go look at it. So I guess and also the building height is a compatibility issue. Probably if if I'm thinking about this correctly, having three stories of a data center would not be compatible in this area, especially if there's residential nearby. Is that correct? Correct. So the general plan envisions a lower height, approximate to residential uses and or stepbacks in height in the direction towards residential uses. Okay. Okay. Oh, and was a, do you know in the previous application was a substation envisioned? Not at that time. Not at that time. So this application was approved whenever it was approved without the knowledge that there would have to be a substation nearby I guess. What deferred of the applicant related to that but it was not a component of that application. Right it was not a component of the application so ostensibly the board could have approved it without knowing that a substation would eventually be needed. That's okay I'll up. Thanks, that might be too much of an opinion question. Okay, thank you, thank you very much. Mr. Crowley? Thank you, Chair Randall, thank you, staff. So the GIS substation is a smaller footprint. I might understand that's the benefit of it, But it doesn't, it's not fully enclosed, right? There's still the age structures that are not enclosed, right? That's correct. And how high will they be? I would defer to the applicant. I think they're 75 feet. And also, is the full data center, or the full GIS substation in close? Because I think the age structure, and I think there's other structures that aren't enclosed as well, right? The ground-mounted equipment is within the GIS structure beyond the ground equipment. I would defer to the applicant related to what would be a component of that facility that's in closure. But I think the applicant mentioned that the berm is 16 feet around and some portions are 12 feet because of dominion having to bring in the transmission lines to the substation. I think it's actually they have to lower some of the berm for that. Do you know if 30 if the 30 percent open space that's required in the suburban employment place type has been cited on the site plan yet because I saw that that was something that. The application is providing the 30 percent open space. Okay so that's in the site plan now where it is because I didn't see it. The legislative application. Okay no but I mean or in the CDP it should be cited somewhere I didn't see it at The legislature's light of application. Okay, no, but I mean, or in the CDP. It should be cited somewhere. I didn't see it at all. Yes, that's correct. It is within the CDP. Okay. So, with the replacement of this proper statement, with the original proper statement of ZMAP 2020 0010, the staff conduct an audit to make sure all commitments were carried forward like the lighting. The lighting component is a current zoning ordinance requirement that will be required at site plan if this application were to be approved. Okay, but you're going to do an audit to make sure because I think now this proper statement would replace the one from 2020. I just wanna make sure all the commitments were carried over that were made back in 2021. That's correct. Okay, thank you. This glass. Thank you, Madam Chair. Question, what is the... Ms. Bless, bring your microphone down a little bit. Okay. What is the... Because I'm short. I'm going to pull it closer to you. What is the standard height of the equipment that's in a regular substation? It is approximately 75 feet in the height. It's also 75 feet. Yes. Okay, thank you. Do we know if glass cot failed at Stonebridge? Is that a by-right community, do we know? No, it's not. I can get back to you on that. Mr. Lutron, you're saying okay. Do we know the distance, how many, how many, what is the distance between the glass cock field and the site? Approximately 750 feet to the data center structures. Box 750. And this road, well, I can't tell, I need to go out. I would do a visit out there. This road that is between glass cock field and the site, what is that? Currently there is not. That's just like a dirt road kind of right there. What is that? That is a component of the eventual extension of Dolos West Boulevard, timing related to that. I would defer to DTCI, who is available on the on call. Okay, all right. One more thing, I thought you said, and if I did not get this right, please correct me. I thought you said something about this side is supposed to have less intense residential uses. Is that the word you use? Less intensive transitional uses. Transitional uses. To be located between intensive uses, such as a data center or substation. Can you give me an example of what that might be? So the general plan has a number of uses that could be placed within this orbital employment place type to enumerate something in the effect of an office complex or a civic use. There's a number of directions that the application could proceed related to that specifically. Okay, okay. And then the site right above metal could drive that piece of property there. Do we have any idea what that is, so before that could be, I can get my. Dang it. So that's right there. We can check the previous rezoning and get back to you. Okay. All right. All right. If you can, those questions would be really helpful. Thank you so much. Good evening. How are you? Good evening. You have 10 minutes and we're well. Thank you. You have 10 minutes to present. You can stay sitting. Sit seated. I will, but I need to pass word along into this computer. We can help you do that. I say we meaning not me. Can you help me do that? I'm going to get some honey in the water. I'm going to get some honey in the water. I'm going to get some honey in the water. I'm going to get some honey in the water. I'm going to get some honey in the water. I'm going to get some honey in the water. I'm going to get some honey in the water. I'm going to get some honey in the water. I'm going to get some honey in the water. I'm sorry. I need to just keep saying that. We're doing carrying out fire. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Apparently the clicker is not working, so I'm just going to keep saying next slide. ready when you are. We're going to just keep saying next slide. It's the best we're going to be able to do. All right, thank you. Good evening, Madam Chair, members of the board. I'm Brian Winterhalter with the LA Piper. I am joined by Elizabeth Nicholson of American Real Estate Partners. We're here on behalf of the applicant. We're really glad to be here tonight. As you've heard, there were a number of items that were identified at the Planning Commission public hearing. We've taken a step back, paused, and came back to you quite a number of months after the Planning Commission hearing with a substantially improved application, which we'll go through in detail. So what we're really here to offer is being a leader in data center development, moving forward data center design for the county. And frankly, we hope to be raising the bar for data center development in the county just across the board, generally. A rep is a group that has done a number of high quality data center projects, including a design award at Bomi. They've also revitalized the Quantum Park campus, and have been a good corporate citizen of Loudoun County. With this site we are offering enhanced architecture on all sides of the building at an extremely high level. We are profaring a first of its kind GIS substation that you've heard about and we'll go through in a bit more detail. We have a significant right of white dedication commitment in our profers as well and we are doing all this and we are able to achieve all of this with an additional floor on the data center buildings from what are already approved data center development. We went over the overview of this of the site already so I will move on but just to note that there are other data center campuses in this location. The red circles are all substations serving data centers. There's certainly a mix of different land uses in this vicinity and we're trying very hard with the revisions to our application to be compatible and to minimize any impacts on adjacent uses. You've heard already that the site is owned, PDIP, under an existing zoning approval that allowed 614,000 square feet of data center development. That project is also subject to an approved site plan for two data center buildings. The new commitments that we are making as part of our rezoning application, and these are new just since the Planning Commission public hearing, we further enhance the architectural design of the building. We're really striving for an extremely high quality of the architectural design to evoke a real institutional character with the design. We've shrunk the substation by 40% with the GIS substation. We've lowered the building height to 96 feet. We've incorporated additional tree buffers, shrubs, and pollinator plantings in response to the request from staff. We have committed to achieve lead certification for the data center buildings and we have committed to to dedicate right-of-way from an off-site parcel that we are under contract to acquire and to dedicate right-of-way and green easements to facilitate the construction of Delas-West Boulevard. Here you see the data center architecture. This is again a very high quality of architectural design. We're intending to evoke a performing arts center at a real institutional quality level of architectural design here. The screening between the two data center buildings is going to be in our proffers as well for the generator yards which are intentionally interior between the two buildings. This is the other data center building just to show you that both buildings have the same high quality architectural design. The left is the image that we presented at the planning commission and we've really upped our game to enhance the design with the architecture that we're presenting on the right-hand side of the screen. The GIS substation is the one on the right. The typical air-insulated substation is what we're all used to, which is the image on the left, in our plan that would have been four acres in the plan that we presented at the planning commission. The GIS substation allows us to shrink the footprint significantly down to 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 which is significantly reduced substation footprint at two and a quarter acres. You can see the buildings there, those are the enclosures, the transformers, there are four in this image, those are not enclosed although they are lower than the 16 foot screen wall. The age frame structures, obviously we can't have the age frame structures below the screen wall because they're much taller, that's inherent in data center development and inherent in the substation. Nevertheless, we have rotated them to try to minimize the view on adjacent uses. It's important to note that this is a 50 to 70 million dollar upgrade which is all borne by the applicant. We worked hard with dominion and extensive coordination with them to get them to allow us to implement this substation on the site. This is not something that they would typically do otherwise, so it's a real benefit of this application that through the vehicle of this project and this applicant, we are able to achieve a GIS substation that if left to its own devices, Dominion probably or may not would provide otherwise. This shows you the view across the substation to the data center buildings. The information that I presented at the Planning Commission is on the left. Our new proposal is on the right. You can see how we've rotated the age frame structure. There's significantly more screening and tree buffering. We've committed to additional plantings that will show you in a few slides. We've added fast growing shrubs to be around the base of the wall where there will be a new berm and wall up to 16 feet in height. The only area where that will not be 16 feet in height is where the transmission lines are coming directly into the substation area. And we'll show you where that is. That may need to be reduced to 12 feet. It may be able to be 16 feet, but the remainder of the wall all the way around would be 16 feet. And that's a commitment that we put in our proffers. This is a view from the Arcola town center. Again, just similar views, additional landscaping, high quality of architectural design. And we have glass on all three of the exterior sides of the building. So there's a lot of frustration on this building. It's much improved from the previous design that we presented at the Planning Commission. This slide shows you the setbacks from the substation to the residential units. This is to the closest units in Westbrook's Arcola Town Center plan. The closest unit is 263 feet. They range from 263 to 293, 353, 61, 370. And then the Old Art Colour School Building is 544 feet away. You can see across from the cricket field in the soccer field. With respect to the data center buildings themselves, these are just that backs here. The closest residential unit is 468 feet in these range from 571, 729, 798, 883, 812 to the Old Art Colors School Development. And then Chair Randall, as you had asked, it's 760 feet to the residential that's on the south side of the development. This just shows you in cross section, there is some grade. It's actually helpful for the view sheds because the Westbrook Art School of Town Center development is at a lower grade. So that will help the tree buffer appear to be higher between the data center and the substation and the adjacent residential units. This is that view from the ground level, and this is that same view from the upper level of a residential unit. Again, you can see the building at the top, but there's also quite a bit of class and very nice architectural treatment. This is from the our coal town center. This is the closest area. Again, you see the grade that helps and there's additional tree buffer. This is the view from the ground level. This is the view from the top of the residential unit or from the top window we should say of the residential unit. And this is from the old Arcola school development. And that's what it looks like across the cricket field and across the soccer field. This is the residential south at Classcock, that's 760 feet from the face of the residential unit to the data center building. That's this view at ground level. This also includes the removal of trees that are existing for the construction of the Dallas-West Boulevard. We're committing to planting a 75 foot tree buffer. This is the view from the upper level of those residential units. You see that green here, that's where the tree buffer is. This is our commitment to dedicate right of way. So we are under contract to acquire this adjacent parcel. We have a commitment in our profits to dedicate the right of way and grant storm drain and temporary construction easements as needed for the construction of dollars west boulevard. And it's also important to note that in addition to the tree planting on this parcel is a new commitment that we've made in response to feedback from additional discussion with staff and additional discussion with supervisors. And we wanted to note that we have submitted to staff in writing a number of additional commitments that we are making. So we have a slide in our appendix to show you that if you're interested in that detail. But there are a number of commitments that we've offered to make that we have put in writing to the staff that we are intending to incorporate into our development plan and proffers. And this is just a slide that summarizes all of the benefits of the application and gives you an overview of what we're really offering with this project, which is enhanced architectural design, a lot of glass on the data center buildings, the GIS substation, additional tree buffering, we've pulled it back quite a bit, we're giving the offsite right of way, we're achieving lead certification, which I believe is the second data center development to proper lead certification. And again, we are also making a commitment to lower the building heights, slightly to 96 feet, to cap the square footage at 760,000 square feet, which is a bit below the .6 FAR. And with that, I'll turn it over to Liz who will describe some of the overview from the applicant's perspective. One minute, Liz. Thank you. I'm going to be very, very brief. Good evening, Chair Randall, members of the board. We're very happy to be here this evening with an application that we feel is greatly improved since our planning commission hearing. After the planning commission hearing in September, we really did take those concerns to heart. We essentially went back to the drawing board working with Dominion for a number of months to get them to agree to let us do a GIS substation here, which is substantially smaller. From a bigger planning perspective, we also further refine the architecture and we re-evaluated all of the transitions to our adjacent properties. We truly do want to be good neighbors in this project. We feel and we hope you agree that it's a significant benefit to bring the GIS substation as part of this profit application. I'll note very briefly, our company has gone ahead with two of these GIS substations elsewhere in the county. They are currently under construction, but this is the first one that is officially profit commitment. Yes. Thank you. Your time is up. Can I make one more sentence? You cannot. Okay. Thank you. I'm sorry. I let you go over a little bit already. So Mr. Delis, Mr. LaTernel. Yes.'s just a matter of time. It's just a matter of time. So the circumstances obviously here have changed. And I don't know if the board remembers the original or our goal of growth. But at the time, our goal of growth was approved. All of this was in the LDN 65. So the Arcola Center residential was not possible at that point. The board approved this data center complex without thinking there could ever be residential around it because it was LDN 65, at least to the north. There's no question that the GIS, the gas and salate substations much better. So I really thank you. I was very clear I think to you that I would not even consider the previous application given the circumstances with the housing around so I'm glad that we're here. That said I do have to ask is it possible to do that without the entire building height increase that you've requested on both buildings? He would be more than happy to dig back into the deal with the tenant and evaluate if there's a way to fit this into a two-story building. We can absolutely make that commitment and follow up before the business meeting. Okay. Some additional dialogue. I appreciate that. So I think the primary concerns that this juncture are going to be the height of the building and that noise. Can we also work on a commitment, I bet you Mr. Sands will might bring this up, that there aren't going to be gas, turbine, fans at any point in the process here that would create noise on the site. That would not be part of the proposal certainly. Good, thank you. Are there any other steps that could be taken to mitigate noise from cooling or generation that you're aware of at this point? So, Supervisor Latuna, we're certainly happy to look into that and see if there are any additional things that we could offer. I think the most important thing that we've done from a noise perspective with the design of this site is to have the generators facing inward and have large screen walls, you know, very nicely architecturally treated screen walls, so that will certainly help. And second, the sound profile of the GIS substation is better because it's more of the equipment isn't closed. So, beyond those things which are sort of self-evident, I suppose, we don't have detailed numbers yet, but we're happy to get you some of that before the- And then maybe last question is, if the board were to deny this application, obviously would lose everything on the right. From a power standpoint, what happens? How does power get to this site? Obviously you have to be a substation somewhere. How does that work? Sure. So, as we noted, we've been coordinating extensively with Dominion on this substation to get their support to allow us to do this GIS substation. However, it is important to note that Dominion has been seeking a substation in and around this immediate area regardless of this development. So whether this development happens in a two-story format or a three-story format, a substation is coming regardless of this site. We are not using the full amount of the capacity from the substation, even including the GIS substation that we're proposing with this application. So for a 300 megawatts substation, our proposed data center development at three story buildings would be about 160, 170 megawatts. So the remaining is going elsewhere. And a substation is needed anyway. And so there are transmission lines in the area and essentially we don't have another plan but Dominion would presumably need to have a plan to have a substation somewhere if this application were not moving forward. All right thank you. Thank you. Mr. Crony. Thank you, Chair Randall. And I want to thank you. I think you added the 785 foot buffer to the right of way property. Yes, indeed. Which will help glass cock, right? It will help that residential to the south, right? So is that entire property that you're getting that you're acquiring? Will it now be either buffer or right of way at this point? It will be right of way or buffer or easement locations where we can't plant the tree buffer. Okay. So the 75 feet is the area that's unencumbered by the easement that we know we can plant the tree buffer in. Okay, but you added that. So I thank you for doing that. Yeah, thank you for doing that. In fact, we added that when we realized that the road itself would be removing some of the existing trees in that area. And so we didn't want to leave it without a tree buffer. Okay, thank you. So would you be willing to proper tier 4 generators or tier 2 generators with selective catalytic reduction systems for your generators? We can confirm that with the applicant, but I do believe either of those two options could be workable. Okay. It'll have to, I would prefer it in the proper statement. Yes. Thank you. And then also, would you be willing to proper low water usage or liquid cooling systems to reduce cooling water usage. To my knowledge that's not something that we've evaluated but we certainly would be willing to look at it. Okay, yeah. We could compare that in the lead certification process because we're going to go through that which is commissioned in a very detailed way after construction. We can check among those standards and see where that fits in. I have a feeling that it may be kind of held within the various lead criteria. Okay. Yeah, it's just to make sure you're not using a lot of water, that it's liquid cooled instead of using water. So I did go down as Alia Lane, that little road that ends in a cold to sack. And I know you're making improvements to the cold to sack. The road is not in good condition. So I do have concerns about emergency vehicles and truck traffic coming to maintain the substation. Would you be willing since our Cola boulevard's already done, I check that out too. So there's already turn lanes for your entrance on our Cola boulevard and there's already a 10 foot wide trail. Would you be willing to make Azalea boulevard, Azalea lane V dot to V dot standards? It's not even a mile, but I went down and it's not in good condition Yeah, yes understood so we are We I believe we've already committed in our profits and if we haven't we can certainly add that and reconfirm it But we are making the improvements to isalia Lane within the boundaries of our site up to V dot standards Okay, well, I'm just wondering if you could do the whole thing. If, right. And yes, if the question is, could we do the rest of Is there a lane, right? I think if we could look at what that would take to do, we're certainly open to looking at that, we would obviously need the permission of the other owners to be able to do that. But so I think they'd probably be fine with it. I'm not in that condition. That's what I was about to say. I suspect they would give it to us, but that's something we would want to just look into. All right, thank you very much. Mr. Sains. probably be fine with it. It's in bad condition. That's what I was about to say. I suspect they would give it to us, but that's something we would want to just look into. All right, thank you very much. Mr. Sains. Thank you, Madam Chair. All right, so we approved this back in 2021 or so. You didn't ask for a substation then, so what changed from then to now? So there would always have been a need for a substation at the time of the additional or the original approval. The unit acts for one. No I know right and because at the time of the original approval there was an assumption that dominion would be able to provide a substation somewhere around the property and incorporating the substation into our application and doing it in this format in a way that we think works best with the surrounding uses will enable us to move forward with the substation. Right, so say if you don't get the substation, how are you power this? We would have to wait for Dominion to provide a substation somewhere in this immediate area. And do you know that the time frame did they give you any time frame for that? I don't have a specific time frame but we would have to wait for Dominion. Can you get that answer for us? Sure. Yeah, do my best. Are you proffering to cover the backup generators? I don't, not in our proffers, no, but we can look at that. We are, I think we're kind of doing close to the genus. They're enclosed. So there are things. So there's the top sides, everything? We can verify on the top closure, but all the other sides are already enclosed. That, they would need to be covered on the top as well. How far is the closest home to your generators? I don't have that number, but we can certainly get that to you you the generators are farther From the residential and the closest building and the closest corner of the building is 263 feet So they're in the generators are supposed to be in the back in the kind of alleyway in between the two buildings That's correct so All right how close is the closest home to your building? 263 feet. All right, so say to him. Sorry, sorry. Let me back up because we got it here. I'm citing the substation not the buildings. It's actually farther. Here we go. Sorry, 468 feet to the building. So the generators would be, I don't want to estimate incorrectly, but it would be farther than 468 feet. So, reasonably I bring them up and the term I had mentioned of this. I have a data center-mide district. I'm never having some difficulties with now. There's homes that are, maybe the proper number here. 1,650 feet away. When those backup generators run, they hear them clear as day. When the turbines are running, again, can hear them as clear as day. Homes that are 350 feet away hear them as clear as day. Homes that are 350 feet away can hear them clear as day. So you're going to have this vaccine issue here at this site if we were to prove this. Thank you, Mr. Sainz, your time is up. Mr. Brooksman? Thank you. Thank you for the presentation. to be clear, the third floor is what gives you the extra, the additional square footage correct. The third floor. Yes, that's correct. And if the third floor doesn't happen, what happens to the enclosed substation? So the question is if the third floor doesn't happen, we would need to figure out if the project works with the tenant and the group that we've been talking to about leasing these data center buildings. I guess it was my understanding that the increased square footage was helping to pay for the That's correct. Okay. And the, well, my colleagues covered the sound of the generators and it sounds like we covered the sound of the substation. I guess I'm a little bit confused. Why are you building the substation and not dominion? Sometimes dominion comes in to build substations and get the permit and sometimes the developers building the substation. And so that's one question. And the second question is, Dominion going to reimburse you for the cost of the substation, don't they own it eventually? So I don't think that they would reimburse for the cost of the substation. Even partial cost of the substation because they're going to own it eventually, right? They would own it eventually, most likely. But most substations when Dominion constructs them, even when Dominion constructs them on their own, they're using funds that are provided by the data center developers to construct the substations. So that there's multiple ways that that happens, there are contributions made, or it's recouped in the fees that the data centers pay for the power. They are, say that again, they are looped in with the fees that the data centers pay for the power. Yeah, part of the cost. So then why are we hearing that residents' fees are going to have to go up for power if the data centers are already paying more for power? So I believe but do not know for sure but I believe most of that is for the transmission infrastructure and proof of transfer. Transmission and construction. Okay. It's typical for the developers to make significant contributions toward the substations. Okay, great. And on slide 17, what you're showing there are trees after they are completely mature. Because those trees aren't there right now, correct? I want to make sure I'm on that. Those are trees that you guys will plant. Yes, that's correct. Okay. And it takes about 20, sometimes 30 years for trees to get that big correct. So the design team told us that this is about 10 years. 10 years, okay. We asked the architect to please render it between a five and 10 year window. We did not want it to be 20 to 30 years. So are those native? Yeah, that's a commitment in our course. Okay, thank you. I'm out of time. Thank you. So can you go back to page 14 again? So the closest... No, that may not be the one. The closest home from A building is far that is that is the closest home for 468 feet For a hundred for are you aware that we just completed the process that said the closest home to a building into a data Senate bill should be 500 feet? Yes, I'm aware of that. Okay, so I mean like we just did that and so so we're asking for four hundred and 68 right now Can you go to to slide 20 please? Okay, so that is, and again, if I'm misunderstood, you please correct me. Is that from the, someone's from a residence window on the top of their and the top floor of their home. Yes, correct. So a resident looking out of their home would look at that would be their view. Yes. Okay. Okay, that's all I have. Thank you. Thank you. We have one speaker. It is Jim Bingle. If you could come forward. Good evening, Miss Bingo. Good evening, Chair Randall and board members. My name is Jim Bingo representing the Piedmont Environmental Council. We don't support the proposed rezoning with a special exception for substation, the proposed building height increase or expansion of the data center square footage over and above what's permitted by the already approved application for the site. It doesn't really conform to the comprehensive plan or what you've been working on to protect residents from data centers. The staff has considered the categories of consideration outlined in the zoning ordinance and we agree with their outstanding issues and compatibility issues in particular. The existing development pattern in the Arcola area is very fragmented. The request for additional square footage and height on this site, on the edge of the suburban employment place type, adds to the challenging pattern because it doesn't provide a reasonable transition to the adjacent residential neighborhoods. The industrial nature of the substation and data center are in congruent and incompatible with nearby residential, with inadequate screening, even despite the additions, and just increases the conflict between uses that we've already witnessed in the Arcola area, with the additional increase in height, even if it's a little less than 100 feet, is problematic next to residential, that's much shorter. Given the reduction in the size of the substation, I don't know and maybe Dominion has already confirmed that I heard some reference to there being adequate capacity for more than this data center would actually require but we have seen how the increased efficiency of data center equipment has created more demand on the power sources that we recurrently don't even have. So obviously the impact of data centers on residents has been central to the board's concern in all of your recent actions and we appreciate that. The already approved ZMAP development offers the potential for warehouse uses that are needed in Loudon and can conform with the building envelopes and vehicle trip generations. It permits besides the data center opportunity. There are clearly reasonable uses that can be developed per the approved application. We would encourage the applicant to develop accordingly. Thank you. Thank you so much. Mr. LeTerno, would you like to make a motion please? I would, Madam Chair. I move the Board of Supervisors forward. Ledgy 2023, 0071, our Cola Grove Resonings, ZMAP 2023, 005, Special Exception 2023, 0015, and ZMAP 2023, 0031. I'm going to go to the July 15, 2025 Board of Supervisors business spanning for action. Motion to be 8 in second. I'm going to go to the July 15, 2025 Board of Supervisors, Business Planning for Action. Motion's made and second by the Attorney discussion on the motion. Thank you. I'm going to give us some extra time there and also Working around some availability for board members. So this is a very unusual and different circumstance for a Couple of reasons. Unlike most of the applications that we see, the data center actually was here first before the residential was. So that, and I want to say this to Madam Chair in particular, because that is a difference. Like we approve data center first before the residential in this case. Usually we're dealing with residential and a data center comes in. So that's issue number one. Issue number two is we have an approved rezoning for data centers that actually correct me if I'm wrong from the applicant can go closer than the 468 square feet as an existing approval. So although they have an approved site plan, I think it's similar, their actual approval allows them to go closer than what this application is. So if we deny the application, they can build data centers closer to residential than what this application is. Which is why, with dear respect to Ms. Bingall from BEC, her comments don't make much sense, because this is an existing 600,000 square foot data set. So it's incumbent on us, I think, to make the best of this situation, given the fact that we chose to approve residential around it, it previously was in the LDN65, it's not anymore, and that's why we did that. And now we have the ability to potentially get a better project, ultimately. That said, I'm not 100% convinced that it is because of the height increase. And I think been candid with you about that. So I want to continue to work with you on it. I think that you have brought forward really probably one of the best proposals we've ever seen in terms of additionalality to a project, you know, the architectural design. And then the GIS substation is really significant. Because although there are a few like it, this is really the only one of its kind that we've had. And this is a potential standard that we can hold future applicants to for this type of situation. That we have not come close to before. There is no question that this is a much better substation than what we would see normally. I think Mr. Sains understanding his comments about the top on the generation we can work on that I agree. But we have the potential to do something very different here that sort of sets a standard. So I'm not willing to just walk away from it and say absolutely not because it's extra and so on. I think we need to continue to talk and see what we can come up with on the specifics of the building height. But given the existing approval here, it changes the dynamic for me in evaluating this. If we were to see this today as a brand new application for data center, sorry, no way, absolutely not. But that's not the scenario that we're in. So I'm going to try to do what I can and I think we've already made a lot of progress to get this into the best position it can be. Thank you. Thank you, Sam Stutt. Thank you, Madam Chair. I agree with everything Supervisor Lutorno has said. I wonder if it might be useful for the applicant to provide board members with an indication of how much noise reduction placing the generators between the buildings results in, because traditionally that isn't done and you've got generators closer to residential. I'm also interested in seeing if you want to try to address staff's concerns about the kind of plantings. I'm favorably impressed with the plantings that you've chosen, but I think the staff reported to catered. They wanted a more of a mix rather than ever greens as many ever greens as you propose. But I think supervisor Litternos absolutely right. Either we'll get a substation that is not enclosed and rather unappealing to look at or we go with what you have proposed, which is a much better solution. Thank you. Mr. Crony. Thank you, Chair Randall. So the height is concerning the 96 feet next to residential, especially since there's not a transitional use between the residential and the industrial. So if there's any opportunity to do a transitional use, that would be helpful. I do think the GIS substation will help us as we move into phase two of the data center process looking at architectural design and what we should be looking at in the future. So this does provide a nice model for future data centers as far as including them and making them a smaller footprint right now they're spread out all over the place. And the noise is concerning. I was asking whether tier four makes the noise, but my colleague, Supervisor St. said that tier four does, but I think the tier four is the least pollutant of the generators, and I think it is the new standard to your tier four. So I would request that you look into profaring that and also limiting the water usage. Thank you. Mr. Brooksman. Thank you, Madam Chair. So if I might ask staff a question in my time. Do you know how close any home could be to the data center or generators if this is not approved, right? If the old application stands, how close would the data centers be to homes? The footprint of the approved site plan is approximate to the footprint of the current legislative application. Okay. We would staff would have to go back and provide additional analysis to get an actual approximate. Okay, but it's roughly the same you're saying? That's correct. Okay, and then if we were to deny this application in order for any substation to come in we would have to approve it correct. Correct, we would require a spec. And there would be compatibility issues with any specs for any substation here, correct? That's correct. Okay, so we are not required to approve a substation here by any stretch of the imagination. And right now they don't have power. So, I can't, my gut and my conscience cannot vote yes I can't, my gut and my conscience cannot vote yes to put the substation in a larger data center next to residential. It's not compatible with what we envision in the area. So it would, it's probably not going to get my support, but thank you. I appreciate all the work and I really wish that previous applicant cared as much as you did about the right kind of substation in the area. Thank you. Mr. Kirschner. Thank you, Madam Chair. First of all, I want to thank the applicant for all the hard work they've done. This is clearly a balancing test as a lawyer. Oftentimes, judges will look at, especially apologize, we we'll go through a balancing act. I think that's really what we as a board have to do in this case. It's like do we kind of accept what's currently there or have you done enough to improve the application that it's a better application at the end of the day than what can currently be put there under the Current Proffers etc. And I think a lot of it boils down from what I've heard and I think for me too is How is this going to impact a residence around I mean there's a lot of great things that you've done I think they're very attractive, but I think bottom line is this and a better application for the residents who are currently living I? I understand you guys, when I, and as Supervisor Eternal pointed out, that data was kind of planned here first. So that kind of goes into my thinking a little bit, but what's, what the residents that are already there, and I think that's really weighing on everybody's mind, is this a better one or will the current zoning and proffers be better? I'm undecided at this point. I'm going to weigh a lot, I think, on super-risal attorneys thought process and susses in his district. One thing I would say, I think it would be a slam dunk if you were able to lower the height, but I understand why you're including the height, and that really is a user issue. I understand that if you were able to reduce the height back down to the 60 feet or whatever makes a little more sense, I think this would be a slam dunk. I understand we've got the substation there and whatnot, but I think the buffering is far better. If you're farther away from any of the houses than the current application, you've brought a lot of bells and whistles to the game here. And so really, if the height goes away, I think that probably satisfies from my perspective, how this is going to impact any residents. Because the noise is obviously better in a new application. The buffering's better, the distances are better. Everything is better. But I think that's kind of the balancing act. And obviously, the applicant is putting forward what additional 50 to 70 million in this and so it's like Well, we need a little more height to justify it So I understand the balancing act that we're going through here So those are just my thoughts on the application. I'm not sure where I where I turn but like I said Obviously you're working with a district supervisor that's gonna weigh heavily on my how I view this and if you can satisfy me, I'm gonna satisfy me. Thanks. So as far as data centers go, this is one of the nicer data centers that I've seen, and I want to say that. In fact, I like the building on the left, but the building on the right to be quite honest. And I have been a stickler,, I'm going to say a leading voice about data center, materials, environmental impacts, all those things. And so this is a, you've done a great job with that. You just have. I've set this many times, and this is no one's fault. This area is the continued resort of boards not doing the comprehensive plan for many, many years. And then when we got the comprehensive plan in 2016, we had like 90 days to do the entire county after having not had anything done in, I think, was like 16 years. And so there is no doubt that this area is a bit of a hodgepodge because we just did not have time at that in 2019 to go through each parcel to the degree that it needed after having not having it seen for many years. That's just the facts. There were just some things that we, I've said before we missed. I think we just, we would have needed a good deal more time to do what needed to be done. I am not comfortable. Whenever I have these discussions, I always ask myself this question, if this were my home, what would I want? That's how it's sometimes that come down with these decisions. Mr. Eternal just about had me there with his discussion and then what Ms. Bricksman said made a difference as well. We're not required to put a substation there. Now, what will happen next, I don't know. But we're not required to put a substation there. So I think we need to be really careful about saying that because we're not. This is very close to homes, too close, in my opinion. It's higher than it needs to be. We're going to take a long time to grow these trees up. And I am not comfortable with quite a bit of what I'm looking at right now. The only reason I'm going to vote yes to move this on is to give the district supervisor a chance to see what he can do with it. But this is a $59, $5149 vote for me to move this on. If this were a final vote, there would be no way I would support this. And it's not because it's not a beautiful building and you all have done work in the Generate and all types of things you have. It is just that again, if this is my home, then this is very close to my home and I wouldn't support it. So I'm going to say yes to move it on because Mr. Latterno has asked to want to do more work and there is something that I believe I really do believe in professional courtesy. So I'm going to offer my colleague the professional courtesy of yes on this vote but you are nowhere near going to get a yes for me and the final vote of this does not change. So thank you though. Mr. Luterno? Yeah, by way of closing. So the interesting thing is it actually isn't anybody's home yet because none of the homes of it built better in question, because we just recently approved homes here. So. So the interesting thing is it actually isn't anybody's home yet because none of the homes of it built that are in question because we just recently approved homes here So I do wonder if there's some well. Yeah, but I wonder if there's something me what what we really don't want as residents getting surprised by this kind of situation In this case was actually the opportunity to get ahead of that and everybody moving in to know that this is because even if this application is denied there's going to be a data center that's substantial 600,000 square feet that is in chlorose proximity to these residential units. So one way or the other we've got to get the message out on that. Let me ask a question on the site plan. So staff the answer. Brisbane's question saying that the previous site plan was roughly the same distance. However, my understanding is previous site plan actually didn't go to the extent that the previous approval was in terms of the buildout capacity. So I guess my question for the applicant is, you could filing new site plan under the previous approval that would bring the buildings closer to the existing residential. Is that right? In theory, yes, that is correct. Yes, I hope you wouldn't do that. That's why I said in theory. You don't intend to do that. I hope you don't intend to do that. But it is nevertheless the fact that the previous, so I don't know if you know, and you didn't, I don't think in our conversations I ever heard a number of what that approval was, but I would be interested in knowing what that approval was from the previous application. Yeah. I'm certainly get the number for you. OK. All right. All right, well that said, thank you. Obviously we have more work to do on this, as I said before, I think it's worth continuing this because the ultimate question for the board is, are we better off with the existing approved data center with doesn't have a substation or the new data centers here that does have this indoor substation? That's what the comparison is. And I'm not honestly trying to convince anybody of anything right now because I haven't made that decision myself. I do think we need to see both better. We need to see what that existing one looked like. They had a chart in here which sort of shows the differences but I think visually it would be helpful to see what the what the other option looks like. And I think I think I've seen a little bit of it, but it wasn't in this presentation. So because that's ultimately what the decision is for the board. And then if we can work on the high-dissue, I think it becomes perhaps a more compelling case. So all right, thank you. The motion was made by the President of the Turner, I second of the Vice Supervisor, I'm sorry I do believe. All the people who say aye. Opposed? That motion will pass 7-1-1 with Mr. Vodinow and Mr. Turner being off the days. Thank you very much. Thank you all very much. I'm sorry. You did. There was a, you did say a date certain on this one, right? It's a July 15th. I'm sorry, I said one more time. July 15th. July 15th. Okay, thank you. Mr. Turner has sent me a text. He actually won't be able to get here. That is unfortunate. But we are going to go on with item number 5. 2, 3, 4, Let me grab it on my computer. We do. We have a five. Don't we? Well, we're not voting yet, but yeah. You know what? I'm gonna go on and just take five because we had to people just leave the day as we barely have a quorum. So we do have a quorum, but we barely, I didn't say we didn't have a quorum. I said we barely have a quorum, but I'll just give them time to take five and give them time to come back. 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My name is Christian Malbinado with the Department of Planning and Zoning here to present the application for milestone Belmont interchange. The subject property is located in the southeast corner of the Lansdown Boulevard, Clayborne Parkway and Route 7, Cloverleaf Interchange, and the Broadrun Election District. The applicant is proposing a commission permit and special exception to construct a 150-foot telecommunications facility within a Virginia Department of Transportation right of way, along Route 7. The proposed telecommunications facility will consist of a monopole centered within the antenna hub site in between the travel lanes and on and off ramps of Route 7. The monopole will be co-located to support up to four carriers at varying heights, mounted with a two-foot tall lighting rod and adjacent to the Aspen to Golden transmission lines. The antenna hub site will be surrounded with an enhanced 20-foot wide landscape buffer and screened with a 10 footfoot tall chain link fence with 95% opaque green privacy slats. County policies support the location of the proposed four carrier monopole to support continued growth in the suburban policy area. staff recommend conditions related to design, including material and color to blend in with the natural environment and landscaping to ensure the telecommunications facility is appropriately screened from nearby land uses. Staff support board ratification of the commission permit and a recommendation of approval for the special exception subject to the conditions of approval as it was found to be consistent with county policies Staff is happy to answer any questions Well, this one is real close to my house I can't. Exactly. I do live here. Alright, this is in the Broadrun District and it's literally right across the street from the Asperin district. But broad run district miss glass. Thank you, Madam Chair. And thank you, staff, for the presentation. I have a couple of questions for you. Do any of our public safety departments believe we need this tower for first net, for emergency response coverage? Staff communicated with loud and fire and rescue and found no immediate need. No. No immediate need. Okay. Thank you. So how close is the cell tower to the future dominion power lines that are going down Route 7? Between the proposed easement, approximately two feet. And I will defer to the applicant to that specific measurement between where they're proposed to go, the center line to the proposed use. Okay, thank you, that's all I have, Madam Chair. Thank you, Mr. Sains. Thank you, Madam Chair. Do we have anything similar to what's being proposed now along Route 7? There are several transmission towers along Route 7 that are collocated with antennas. However, there is another monopole as well that's located I believe at the intersection of Route 20 and Route 7 on the southeast corner of that interchange. I am not aware of it being a longer transmission row but it is adjacent to residential zone properties. So that one Route 7 and 20 would probably be the most similar to this that must be proposed? In the context of zoning districts yes. And to following up to the supervisor, glasses question regarding the power lines that Dominion recently, well last year was approved through the SEC. When do we know those going up by any chance? I believe the Dominion has a projected timeline on their website. I have a website that's publicly available. I believe it was 2026, but I'll defer to the applicant for a more specific date. And if I may, the approximate measurement between the proposed tower with the transmission line and the monopole is approximately 50 feet. That is in the elevations located in the plan set as an attachment here to the staff report. Thank you. Mr. Crony. Thank you, Chair Randall. So will the monopole be the tallest visible structure in the area or were those power lines be higher? The power lines are proposed to be up to 195 feet. if the monopole was constructed prior to, it would be within a half mile radius, I believe. The next adjacent highest use is the hospital located across Route 7. Okay. Did you look to see how close the residential is to the monopole or was that how far away? Between the structure that is immediately southeast of the monopole it is approximately 350 feet From the building itself excuse me. It's actually 380 feet from the building itself to the boundary line and the proposed you it's 350 feet Okay, and that's a home it is the Ashburn Chase apartments and Regency of Bel. What other sites were considered? I will defer to the applicant. They are required in our checklist requirements before legislative applications is accepted to demonstrate that ask. So I will defer to them. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Okay. Good evening. Good evening, Madam Chair chair you guys have you have ten minutes you can say sitting seated seated Are you can as then to the podium either one's fine with us? Thank you, madam chair members of the board my name's Aaron Frank. I'm a planner with Cooley And I'm here with Milestone to present to you an application for a monopole at the intersection of Claibor Parkway in Route 7. And the first question that we ask and one answer when we get here is how did we get here and why are we here in this location? We are here at this intersection because of the increased demand for cell service, just like roads, sewer, water water utility with increased growth, whether it's commercial growth, residential growth, the vehicular traffic along Route 7, we have an increased demand for cell service in this area. And this is an infill area, which makes it tough to find where should we provide this improved service. So we looked both not just from our anecdotal experiences of all of us, you know, maybe have dropped calls or be unable to make a call in whole foods or in the parking lot. But we had our RF engineer actually take a look at specific data and provide a propagation map as well, which is on the screen before you. The image on the left shows, and I will use my pointer here. Sorry, but this hole in the donut is clayborne root seven for reference. And the colors on the screen, green represents excellent service, blue represents good service, and whether it is an absence of color, those are values below both of those. On the right side of the screen this would show the service improvement when a monopole is added to the surrounding area. So understanding that the service need is in the area surrounding Belmont Chase and this intersection south of Route 7 we look to the comprehensive plan to understand where would an appropriate place for a monopold B. We looked to adopted policies in ordinance guidance because as we know these can often be contentious applications. We looked at V. right of way which is zoned OP and has OP zoned property immediately to the south of us. We have auto repair to the east and then to the north we have Leesburg Pike which is six lanes currently and planned for eight lanes with the Nova and lands down further to the north. We do have our closest residents further to the south beyond the OP-zoned property as some of the supervisors mentioned earlier. And when we look at the comprehensive plan, the telecommunications plan provides guidance about preferred locations for these monopoles and recommend public sites such as Rights of Way. We don't want to put a poll close to residential development. Of course, we need to provide the service to the residents that live in the area. So it's a balancing act. So we looked further north in this service area, which is in the Cloverleaf area. We also looked at comprehensive plan language that has to do with transmission lines. And the comprehensive plan recommends that monopoles be provided where existing tall towers exist. In this case, there is actually an ordinance within the county zoning ordinance that reflects the adopted policies and intent for tall structures to be located such that monopoles would actually be by right if they were within the easement of an existing tall structure for transmission easement. Of course the Dominion lines are proposed they are not existing but this is to speak that we are two feet south of the easement reflecting the intent more broadly to locate tall structures near one another. Here's a look as some of the supervisors asked earlier about other examples. Route 7 and Route 28, we have a monopole that is 150 feet tall. What is being proposed this evening is also 150 feet tall. Along the greenway, those are taller at 190 feet. So taking a closer look at the site itself, the monopole is shown in the center of the screen just below that dashed line. So we are just two feet south of that proposed easement. We would be providing a 10 foot privacy slat, as well as we have expanded the buffer area to 20 feet to provide additional landscaping adjacent to the proposed monopole and it would be accessed by the Route 7 on ramp. So here's a closer look. I know Christian already went over some of this. We would be approximately 52 feet from the center of that easement in Dominion's preliminary plans, they don't show that a poll would be immediately adjacent to the monopole, so it would actually be a further distance from any of the actual transmission towers themselves. But we did coordinate with Dominion such that this project would not interfere with Dominion's project and Dominion's project would not interfere with this this Similarly, we have been in touch with FAA as part of the application process to ensure that there wouldn't be any interference with aviation Throughout this process we have received different questions that we have evaluated and the applicant has extended the the shot clock so to speak by when the county has to act on the application as there are unique framework for telecommunication facilities but it's been a good opportunity to be able to explore and have thoughtful dialogue and really reinforce the need and how we got here when looking at different options. Some of those questions asked us about whether the height of the poll could be reduced. So we looked at whether the height could be reduced to 120 feet. That would reduce the service area by about two square miles. So it would be a significant reduction in service while still having some visual impact. We also looked at whether we could locate on rooftop facilities. As questions earlier, where else did we look? We looked at rooftops all in this area and we spent several months working with one property owner in particular. The rooftops in this area are much lower than the 150 feet being proposed. 150 feet being proposed is necessary in order to provide that broader coverage area. If it were to be located on a rooftop, then we would still need a tower essentially, because it would cover such a smaller service area. We also looked at whether the pole could be located at a different location at the intersection of Ashburn Village. And that comparison is what is on the screen before you. On the left, current proposed location, that shows the excellent and good service levels that are being provided. On the right-hand side of the screen, the poll is provided Ashburn Village. And that service gap still exists where it is needed. So this wouldn't achieve the project objective objective. Last year we were before you for the trailside park application. And you know this isn't too far from there but we wanted to share this image to show the service areas for each of these poles. They do cover distinctly different service areas. There's a small overlap. But the trailside park monopole, unfortunately, did not negate the need for this monopole. So we do provide simulations to understand how the monopole would appear from nearby locations and particularly those that are residential. So here's a view from the Ashburn Chase community to the south of us. Here's another view further south. And here's a view along Route 7. And similar to the analysis of comprehensive plan in terms of how different sites are prioritized. We look at what would this look like without the Dominion power lines, and then what would this look like with the power lines if they were to be constructed? And here's a look at the subject site on the off ramp going on to Route 7 and from the south. So throughout the process we have had website up as well as host the town hall and offered to meet or discuss the application with others and we hold a community balloon fly to be able to demonstrate the visual impact. So in total. I'm sorry, I'm gonna stop your time while you explain what the community balloon plie is. Absolutely. Good question. I'll try to do so quickly. No, your time stopped. Okay. Thank you. This is an opportunity for the applicant to basically float a balloon to the proposed height of the monopole. And it's a large balloon. This is no five-year-old birthday party balloon so that it can be seen from a distance very far away. And we invite members of the community who would be interested in looking at it so they can see it. But also this is how we base the simulations that provide a visual perspective based on the location of that balloon. Thank you. It started its time again. That's fine and that really concludes my presentation this evening that we're pleased that staff recommends support. The Planning Commission has approved the Commission permit and we ask for your support this evening as we know that these cannot be easy decisions all the time but we have found this site after careful review of the surrounding area, different alternative technologies and alternative locations. And ultimately are doing something that is in accordance with the county's framework for telecommunications facilities. So we're glad to take any questions. Thank you. Yeah, sometimes I knew what it was. I asked that question for the benefit of yeah, Mr. Sains. Ms. is not white snout on miss Gles. Okay. I'm sorry Thank you for the presentation The board recently approved another cell tower that you had spoken about the trail side park Which is also an ashburn so why do you believe there's still a coverage gap and are there any other gaps that you think would need to be filled nearby? Yeah, I'm going to ask our RF engineer Paul Dugan to be able to respond about the coverage gap that exists in this area. It's good evening. Paul Dugan, I'm an independent radio frequency consulting engineer with the firm Millennium Engineering PC. There are other gaps in the county, but this site is well suited, particularly suited to provide a lot of new covers in this Belmont Chase section of Asperger Virginia. I could just read this short summary of the objectives. It will improve wireless coverage and capacity in this section of Asperger and Virginia. The main objective is to enhance coverage along with seven and Clayboard Parkway and increase capacity to support the Belmont Chase one and to develop. In addition, the site will help all flow existing for rise in the area which will in turn improve in building coverage for residents and businesses in the area. Verizon is committed to providing the art services that benefit your community. I drove around through the area and canvas area. I didn't see any other existing structures that were suitable for co-location. I also did single level checks and data throughput speed tests to validate the level of coverage. At the whole foods, I couldn't even do a speed test. I'm going to ask you to turn your mic a little closer to your resume. Thank you. It is my opinion that this site is particularly suited from a radio frequency standpoint. It's at the junction of two major roads and it fills in a large section of this area very nicely. Supervisor, I'll just add, we're about two miles away from Trailside Park, which is beyond the reach of a singular tower. Thank you. Mr. Crony. Thank you, Chair Randall. So can you go back to that picture with the circles that showed the rooftop and Antimes 2 and Trailside? Go back. It was like two circles there. So I see a lot of existing rooftop, existing towers. So I'm just trying to understand the need, you know, with Trailide being two miles away. Can you maybe explain kind of with the, because I see you have seven building, buildings have rooftop antennas. That's right. So I'll start and I'll ask Matt to fill in here. But the towers do provide by virtue of height, a parotter area that can be covered. So where we see rooftops, for example, there is one closer to the site to the north, that isn't able to provide the same area of coverage. But to the south, yes, those circles would have their own distinct radii that also provide coverages. But given that we are a couple miles away, they do not reach quite as far as that would be beyond the typical reach for a monopole in this type of environment. Did you look at the existing rooftop, that pink one, making that, you know, modernizing that and making it serve the area? I'm pretty confident Verizon is actually on that one and we might be able to pivot back to the propagation maps and you can actually see their existing on air sites. So you can see where the propagation is coming from to the north. That's the existing rooftop that was shown on that graphic. There is another rooftop to the southwest of our site and that was the one we mentioned Verizon had been engaged with and trying to enter into agreement with to co-locate on the rooftop but weren't able to come to terms and that was started even before we presented this project from the outset back in 2022. So you tried to work with Verizon on? So ultimately, I mean, we would be out of the equation milestone towers if they're able to Verizon's able to come to terms with a landowner and co-locate on a rooftop, then there's no need for us. So. So we had Verizon as well as a third party leasing consultants intervening in those conversations. Interesting. Okay, thank you. Mr. Sains. Thank you Madam Chair. So did we reach out to the hospital see if we can use their rooftop? That was one of the challenges of, and because of the service in the location of that rooftop, north of seven. That was one of the parameters for Eisen gave to us was whatever location was selected would have to be south of seven, given the location and potential for too much overlap north of seven, because that's where their existing rooftop site is. It's just right across the root seven really doesn't seem that far away but I guess when you're looking at it this way maybe so but just a thought. And then I don't know if you have this information so if you don't just please say so. So the the monopole that's just down root seven and root seven and 28 which has been there for I don't know how long now. How far is that from the homes and then how far, potentially is this one from the homes? Yeah, I don't have that. I don't have the answer to Route 7 and 28, but I do have the answer that I think the poll is approximately 400 or so feet from homes and this application. The two applications that were before the board in the past year or so were at or less than that. So that has been a customary distance that does exceed ordinance requirements that's been before this board. Before the closest one is the aspirin chase apartments and then the town homes that are just next to right behind it would be the next closest. That's correct. That's correct. Okay. All right. And then again, in your opinion, do you feel the one on Route 7 and 28 is very, would be similar to what you're proposing here or would it be different? Nearly identical. I would say we're probably doing more screening. Now, the ordinance calls for only a single row and we're going 20 feet wide on every side of the fence and doing a slightly higher taller fence. Would you mind getting that information? How close the home is R to the one on Route 7 and 28. For us please. I'll be greatly appreciated. And then. There was another question. Oh, I know what it is now. Why not wait if Dominion is going to be working to put the power lines up along Route 7 and I think somebody said 2026 so next year why not just wait and see if they can put it on that one again and say that. Another great question and at the outset that was one of the first conversations we had was getting together a dominion to see if we even needed this application. So they said because of the power of that line it's a 500 kilovolt line. They don't allow co-location. They just have a flat rule out of co-location on 500 kilovolt lines. I know they co-laked in the ones that are just further down, heading towards, they're leaving, you know, this intersection heading towards Leesburg, there are some on those power lines, I guess those are the 230 lines. That's what I would guess. And this is actually consistent with all their applications that we have in Prince William and Stafford and Fairfax is that's one of the common. My understanding is it's due to the outage and the effort that's required to allow an outage for any work on one of those lines. It's something they strongly discourage and avoid. Thank you. Mr. Pricksman. Thanks. I apologize if I I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. but that's not to say, you know, for instance. The opportunity will be there. Sure, it'll be built for up to four wireless carriers. So. Okay. Okay. That's all I got. Thank you. Yep. So educate me some here. So because I live in this area and, you know, I'm driving down Route 7 to come here. There is a spot that you hit right past the hospital, that your phone goes dead. I don't usually drop, but it goes dead. Beyond that, though, I'm in this area all the time. I'm in the whole foods over there. I'm in there. And we have fantastic coverage. So is the issue that you need more intense coverage because there are more people who are using 4G and 5G and hotspotting their cell phones and watching things over their cell phones are the issue coverage area. What problem are you trying to solve? Because we have three different carriers in my home. We get great coverage. And even up and down, down in County Parkway, which turns into Claymore Parkway, and I'm over there by the church. I am in those places all the time. And no coverage issues, no, no, as far as my call is dropping and things like that. I can pull up the internet, I can do all those things. So what is it that more people are hot spotting and using 5G and 4G? Or is it trying to have coverage to do more in the concentrated area or a larger area? What are you trying to fix? And really, I'm not kidding when I say educate me at this point. I'll start'll start and say that before Paul goes that it is a combination of different issues both the number of users and the Intensity of devices, but there's also capacity elements to it in addition to coverage and I kind of want Paul to be able to piggyback on that sure the The objective is to have sufficient signal strength to serve these devices. And that area does not currently have sufficient signal strength. It also is a very high volume of users. Some users are using multiple devices and it needs more capacity offloading to that area. It's intended to serve. Okay. Would your last name, sir? Would your last name? Dugan, can you do? Mr. Dugan, I'm gonna ask you to say that step to me again like I'm five years old because it's like capacity outloading for me. I don't know what that means. I've got it. So, again. Sure, sure. Yeah, fair. Capacity is the ability to serve thousands of these in a given area at the same time. So is it trying to serve them in that they're, I mean, so you're not just trying to like to text or get online with that, but it's because people are using them to hotspot more and that type of thing all all the above all the above Yeah Are you all getting are you are we getting complaints in this area that that they're not getting the people are not being used to cell phones in this area It's our complaints coming in this from this area Verizon does field customer complaints. Yes, and that drives That drives their decision making process of where they need to add new sites. Okay. Okay, well we have a lot of speakers, well not a lot, but it's a good deal of speakers on this. I don't, so I'm going to call you. I will call you three people in advance. You have two and a half minutes. When you come up, if you say your name, and if you don't mind saying the district you live in, that would be great too. Our first speaker is Laura Ohnhart, followed by Mary Badger, followed by Brian Turner. Good evening, ma'am. Good evening. My name is Laura Ohnard. I'm from the Broadrun District. And I'm here tonight to ask you to oppose the placement of the milestone cell tower in the proposed right away at Route 7 and Claiborne Parkway. My husband and I live in the Regency at Belmont neighborhood. A 55 plus community whose property values and views will be negatively impacted by the proposed 152 foot tower. This is only a need for Verizon coverage. So why do we need to give them this privilege of placing this tower next to residential properties when there are other better options? Evidence by the lack of research done by Milestone before the first public hearing. This was just the easiest and cheapest location for both Milestone and Verizon, not the best location or the least detrimental for the community. So it was not surprising that when asked to go back and research other locations and options, only this original spot was deemed suitable, again meaning cheapest and easiest. During the first public comment section, opponents suggested a number of other options that milestone had not researched, including placement on local office buildings or at the intersection of Ashburn Village in Route 7 or in the V.Dot way near Whole Foods, neither of which have established residential. There is no evidence that milestone looked into the location of the right away near Whole Foods, even though their own informational materials and that of the X Verizon engineers evaluation indicate that the coverage for future Belmont 1 and 2 developments is a priority. If that's a goal, then the site near as whole foods makes the most sense. Why should unbuilt developments and buyers get special treatment when current residents have already invested in established properties? To quote from the staff notes on page 8, this telecommunications facility will be the tallest visible structure in the area and above the tree line on the horizon from adjoining properties and roadways. No amount of screening will hide it and nobody cares about ground equipment surrounded by designer bushes when their view will be forever of an ugly eye sore. Fail to financial negotiations by Verizon to place the tower at top nearby buildings should not be considered a viable reason to punish the people who already live nearby. Neither should the excuse that Dominion will be putting transmission lines there. We had no control over those power lines, although we did try hard to stop them. The lowest cost alternative for milestone Verizon does not equal the best outcome for our community. As supervisor Randall posed tonight, if this was your home, is this what you would want? Please exercise the good judgment to say no to this proposal. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Mary Badger, followed by Brandon Turner, followed by Ann Cook. Good evening, ma'am. Good evening. Good evening, Chair Randall and supervisors. We're here tonight to ask you to deny the milestone cell tower application. First if the cell tower is constructed at this location, it would be constructed for one carrier only. There's no reason to believe other carriers would seek to place an antenna at this location. This was demonstrated when EMS and fire and rescue stated they do not show a need or void at this location. Only Verizon claims a need for coverage and their coverage deficit increases the further east you go, which could explain why the applicant initially explored one loud and approximately one mile east. In further highlighting the Verizon and Miles don't are very aware. The need is greater the further east you travel. Second, if constructed at this location it will create more redundancy for Verizon to the north of Route 7. Third, please consider that there are better locations for this tower that will not impact residents so directly while still providing effective coverage. We have suggested one option at the Ashburn Village Boulevard interchange a short half-mile to the east, which is primarily empty fields and commercial space. This location could also preclude the need for additional towers heading east. Next Verizon is explored the option of placing the antenna on only one existing building. At the planning commission work session Verizon stated that they could not come to terms financially with the building owner. Financial terms for the carrier are not a consideration for this board and indeed I believe Commissioner Meyer stated that. Consistent with the county's telecommunications plan, the first hierarchy calls for the use of existing buildings or structures. This application unnecessarily fails that requirement. And so it's not hard to imagine if you were to deny the application that Verizon would find a way to come to terms with the owner. Finally, the county's telecommunication plan calls for the mitigation of visual impacts. This tar fails to blend in with the natural and built environment as required. In fact, it will be highly visible in all directions with no topography or tree line to offer camouflage or buffering of the tower. That is particularly concerning when you consider the height of this tower. The board should not put the applicant's needs in place of residence needs concerning visual impacts. We have to live 600 feet away. Supervisors, we believe approving this application would be irresponsible and so we ask that you vote to deny the application and To quote the late great Maya Angelo when you know better do better. Thank you And if I could just actually ma'am, I'm sorry your time is up. Thank you, though Brian turn but you quoted Maya Angelo So that's that's points right there Brian Right? Brian Turner followed by Ann Cook followed by Guy Frank and Field. Good evening. Good evening. Madam Chair and members of the Board of Superbudders. I'm Brian Turner, a resident of the Little River District, and I'm representing the Lansdown Conservancy as their general counsel. Lansdown is a post of this application for two major reasons. First, the proposed site is located in one of the county's gateways to our community and is designated so in its comprehensive plan. The proposed site is also in proximity of the Belmont View Shed easement and the land's down-scene easement. And two, the conservancy and the county have worked collaboratively to prevent this sensitive area from becoming industrialized and denial of the 150 foot cell tower will be in conformity with this effort. The county and landstown put forth an underground proposal to bury transmission lines before the SEC for their consideration. The SEC's decision is now on appeal to the Virginia Supreme Court. The underground proposal along this route is where the application is cited. Approving this application would likely make the underground proposal much more difficult because the applicant is suggesting putting this tower in the Dominance easement. I've provided the clerk with copies of the applicant's site location and the proposed underground map for your. For these reasons, the landstown conservancy respectfully requests the boards denial of this application or at the very least, deferral of the application until the Supreme Court appeal has been heard and decided. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Turner. And, cook followed by guy, Frank and Phil followed by Marisol Curry. Good evening. Good evening sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm multi-family homes and town homes and it is not compatible with the neighboring properties. Quite frankly it will be an I-sor for almost anyone and will definitely be an I-sor for our neighborhood. Milestone has stated they will build a 10 foot chain link fence with screening but that will not mass the remaining 140 feet that were tower above us. Adding a cell tower at this location is an unwarranted environmental clutter in an already congested location. Where high voltage transmission lines are to be built. Please vote no and ask the applicant to come up with another solution that is not as harmful to our community. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Guy Frankenfield, followed by Marisol Curry, followed by Karen, Muscat, Muscatel. Good evening. Madam Chair, supervisors, thank you for your time. I'm a resident of the Regency of at Belmont 55 and Older Townhome Community, which is located only a few hundred feet from the proposed milestone cell tower project. I have read the 223 page report and I have attended several other meetings, so I'm familiar with this project. I respectfully request that you deny their application at this point and please ask them ask them to answer three questions for me. There are no cell towers visible from our current town homes today, even from the rooftop terraces that we have in our homes. The nearest cell tower must be more than a mile away. I do not have Verizon Cell Service, but I have great phone service. I have another carrier that I'm using. So I have great service. I think we established earlier that it wasn't required to have fire and safety service for this cell tower. So my question is, how is it that our current cell service is so good that I have, that we need to have 150 foot cell tower in our backyard? If Milestone also in the 223 page report, we saw renderings of the cell tower. We didn't see any renderings from the upper story of the apartment complex that's only 300 feet away. We didn't see any renderings from our rooftop terraces and we're only a few hundred feet away. We saw renderings from ground level which can give you a distorted view of what that 150 foot cell tower might look like. So I ask you, please ask for revised renderings from the upper floors of these nearby residents. And if the cell tower is built at the Claiborne interchange, will it have a positive or negative effect on the residential properties nearby? Think of that. Think of all just of our little community 105 town homes. If our properties go down in value, we've essentially taken that value and given it to Verizon. Is that really fair? Thank you for your consideration. Thank you, sir. Marisol Curry, fellow by Karen, Mosquito, fellow by Richard Allen. Good evening. Good evening. I'm a homeowner at the Regency at Balmont. And prior to living at Regency at Balmont, I lived in lands down for 10 years. So I'm very familiar with the coverage. I'm also a long time Verizon customer. I'm here to ask you to deny the application for the following reasons. First, there is no crisis of coverage in our area. To the northwest of the proposed location, first responders, fire and rescue have stated they have no issues with coverage. To the north, I know the hospital has stated they prefer the cell tower to be built somewhere else. To the south where we live, my husband and I have Verizon for our cellular, internet and streaming and our landline services. Our coverage is more than sufficient inside our home around our neighborhood and at the Belmont Chase shopping center which is to the south west. And yes, I can use my Verizon cellphone like you inside the Whole Foods and around the community. So second, it has been said that there is a need for more coverage. However, there are other providers in the area that provide excellent coverage. If anyone is unhappy with Verizon, they can simply go to them. T-Mobile offers 5G with ultra capacity and AT&T offers 5G plus, 5G and 4G LTE. Third, cell towers like other electrical infrastructure are susceptible to fires caused by short circuits over heating or other electrical faults. The proposed location is simply too close to high density population, including the apartment building that would be literally across the street. As examples of such incidents, in Utah, a monopole fire was caused when a maintenance crew was performing work on it. In Canada, several South Tower fires were due to electrical faults and at least one occurred when a crew was welding on the structure. In Newport, New's Virginia, a coaxial cable cut on fire as maintenance workers were working on the monopole. So in summary, I would just like to say there's no need for the cell tower and please deny this application. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Karen Mosquito followed by Richard Allen and then we have on the phone, Bill Brindley. Good evening. Good evening. I'm Karen Mosquato and I also live at Regency Ballmont but I'm also a Verizon retire. And I was on the project planning committees and employees for all of Verizon's deployment of Internet services since 1995. So if we've had such bad service in this area for so many years, why now? Why hasn't Verizon fixed this issue like T-Mobile has, like other providers have? So the reason is that they want to deploy their new home internet product over the 5G network. So currently we have 5G, I mean, 5OS products deployed in our area in our homes, which require all underground fiber connections into the homes, and Verizon's new home internet product works over the 5G network. So if you know all of the PULTY homes that have just been built behind Whole Foods, Verizon has not built out their FIOs product there. There is no underground infrastructure for fiber there. So they are relying on these 5G networks to provide home internet to these new homes. So it's much more of an issue of their continuing revenue for home internet and products. They're bundling that home internet with over the top broadcast as many people are getting, YouTube video or Hulu TV and there aren't many people except for us that have elevators that have a landline anymore. So this is a much more streamlined revenue product for them and really encourages the deployment of the 5G network. Also when you look at, I'm not an engineer but I was married to an RF engineer for over 30 years. When you look at the 5G network, it has a compressed area versus a 4G network. So when you're asking questions about the other tower versus the proximity to this tower, 5G does not have a great reach. 4G has a very big reach. And most cellular traffic even though it says 5G is actually going over a 4G network. And I watch the planning commission's review of this issue today and this map is only Verizon coverage. This doesn't cover cellular coverage in our area. This is only Verizon. So I don't think that's a fair representation of the representation in our community. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Richard Allen and then on the phone would be Bill Brintley. Good evening Mr. Allen. Good evening Madam Chair and members of the board. Thank you very much. I'll be very brief. My name's Richard Allen, and with my wife, Rosemary, who's here, we're residents of the Regency at Belmont community impacted by this proposed tower. And we joined in our neighbors and having a deep concern about this proposed location. We moved here three and a half years ago. We liked the open air feel of the community. This included the tree line, unobstructed northern horizon look of this to the north. Now we have this proposal to inject 152 foot tower right next to our community in that northern horizon well, well above the tree line. A tower here would be very intrusive and very disappointing. It would negatively change the look and feel of our residential community. Unlike the earlier data center matter before you, this is existing housing being affected by a new intrusion. So I think it really needs to have a very careful look. We expect that you personally wouldn't like this if we were going to happen to you or your face. So I think it's really needs to have a very careful look. We expect that you personally wouldn't like this if we're going to happen to you or your family. So we urge you to pause this location, to table it, and to have the applicant work out a solution that does not negatively impact existing residential communities such as ours. Thank you. Thank you, sir. And then we have one speaker on the phone. Can we pull him up please? Mr. Brindley? Mr. Brindley, are you there? Yes, I am. We're ready when you are, sir. Yes, hi. My name is Bill Brindley. And my wife and I moved in to this Delmont Chase community from Reston in January. I want to thank you for your time and consideration tonight. As newcomers to this wonderful 55-plus community, we've quickly grown to love the areas unique charm and the character and the community of people who live here. On this matter specifically, because we're newcomers, we defer to our new neighbors who have expressed detailed informed concerns tonight and previously. We do ask that the supervisors deny this application and encourage the applicants to explore other alternatives that we perceive as newcomers who love this area likely will be less intrusive and more aesthetically acceptable. Thank you so much for considering our input. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. All right, to the district supervisor, would you like to make a motion? Thank you Madam Chair, yes I would. I move that the Board of Supervisors forward ledgy dash 2023-0093 milestone Belmont interchange, CMPT-2023-0011 and specs. Dash 2023-0028 to the June 3rd, 2025 Board of Supervisors of Business Meeting for Action. Okay. Motion has been made and seconded by Ms. Bricksman. I'm going to deny it anyway. Ms. Glass. Thank you. I've moved to send this application to the June 3rd meeting for action. However, I do not plan to support the application at that meeting. There are going to be many changes in this area with the upcoming dominion at Aspen to Golden. Power lines and I cannot accurately anticipate how this tower would look nor interact with the surroundings. Those power lines will dramatically affect the view shed and adding to the visual clutter is not best for the community, which includes an attainable housing complex with no visual barriers to the proposed tower. I do want to thank the broader residents that reached out to me to share their thoughts and for their residents that came up to speak on this application with me and my office. I want to thank staff for their work on this application. I also want to thank the applicant for their interest in improving cellular service to the broader district. Thank you, Madam Chair. So let's have a point of inquiry. Why would you not consider just making a motion to deny tonight? I would just like for it to go to the process. Okay. Miss Brickman. Thank you, Madam Chair. May I ask the applicant a question please? Sure, yes. Is this tower, indeed, going to be for your 5G services for the Internet? It would cover cellular and I'm sure they would use it for the fixed wireless home Internet service as well because they're rolling that out Throughout the county. Okay. Okay. They want to bring that on. But isn't it fairly common for other providers to Colocate on these towers? Yes. Okay. Yes. Okay. I just, I'm fine with it. I think that, you know, I disagree that this is a, this would be impactful really to land down residents, honestly, because, yeah, you would see it before you get off your exit, but the hospital and all those other medical buildings are between the residents of land down and route seven and this tower is going to be a little bit more than that. Yeah, you would see it before you get off your exit, but the hospital and all those other medical buildings are between the residents of Lansdown and Route 7 and this tower is south of Route 7. I would support the application. Unfortunately, I'm not gonna be here at the June 3rd meeting, but I would support the application absolutely. And I do wanna remind my colleagues that our schools recently decided against co-locating any towers on school property anymore. So that has eliminated a lot of opportunity for organizations like this to place cell towers in the county. Unfortunately, two cell tower projects in my district were basically killed because of the LCPS choice not to co-locate cell towers on the school properties. So I, with the number of folks moving in with the growth previously in our county, with the obvious lack of coverage in the white area, I think that we need it, If we don't need it immediately, we're going to need it fairly soon. The cell tower at Route 7 and 28, I drive past it all the time. It's fine. So I am not concerned about home values going down because of a cell tower. In fact, I have constituents who are worried that their home values are going down because they don't have cell coverage. And when someone comes to see the home, they're like, oh, you still have a landline? And they're like, yeah, I have to, because I don't have enough cell coverage. So I would be supporting the application. I'm happy to support Supervisor Glass's motion to move it forward. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. the Turno. Thank you. I'm a big fan of the habit burger up at Belmont Chase. My kids are too. We go there and the only negative to going there is we all have Verizon and our cell phones don't work in that habit burger. I have personally experienced more than once so I don't know what's going on with everybody's individual experiences there. The map that's here is showing, when you say it's showing cell coverage, are we just talking about what we would consider cell coverage and not necessarily, they're all kind of the same thing. But are we looking at the type of coverage that a phone user would need to make voice calls or other text and so on versus some of the enhanced coverage that would be needed to stream or something like that? What are we looking at exactly? Basically, it's a yes, the next question I asked before. The proposed site was... stream or something like that. What are we looking at exactly? Basically, is it said yes, the next question I asked before? The proposed site would improve voice quality and data through put speeds. Yeah, someone's asking, what's the whole here though? What is that a whole of exactly? Like, if I stood right now in that kind of open area with my Verizon phone, am I going to have one bar like I do in here? By the way. What's there in that gap? Yeah. If I'm a Verizon customer, so if I went to that gap right now and stood there, what I have one bar, is that what that's telling me? I don't know. I'm not like being argument, I just literally don't know what that's trying to do. The white areas, I couldn't identify what's there unless it looks at a street at this map. But the white areas are varying levels of unreliable service. So I could have one bar or you have a capacity problem in that white area. Yes. For traditional cell service. So one of the issues is I understand residents could have different products and things like that but Route 7 goes through here and so we have literally thousands of residents going through every day on Route 7, some of whom are going to have a rise. I believe they're still probably the market leader and so obviously if calls because calls are getting dropped and so on in this area, that's a problem. And I'm trying to sort of discern if that's really what you're saying. Or if this is, you know, we can, I'm almost out of time. We'll have further conversation before now in the, I'm generally supportive of cell towers. There hasn't been one I think we've ever had that we haven't had residents come in and oppose. I understand it and I don't blame them. But at the same time, there's no place to put these where we don't have opposition. And when we don't put them, then it's worse. So I think it would be helpful to further delve into the problem that you're trying to solve here and whether this is needed to fix it. Final point in my last four seconds is you were putting these where we tell you to put them in our comprehensive plan. That's why they went to that location. It's with the county walk. Mr. Secretary, thanks for the internal misdocroney. Thank you, Chair Randall. I want to thank all the residents who came out tonight. I heard you. One question I have is the VDOT right of way at Whole Foods near the unbuilt residential development. Did you look at that location? It sounds like we're supervising our returnos saying he has dropped calls over by that Whole Foods. Yes. The target area is south side of the Route 7 intersection there's a west side of the intersection of which you're referring to right now and then the east side where we're proposing it. The west side is heavily constrained because it has not only both the dominion easement that encumbers most of that area, but it's used for stormwater management and there's hydrology all through there. So it makes it, you know, there is no location to put the cell tower in that southwest corner. Furthermore, that would be much closer to the residential that's currently under construction. So both from a physical constraint as well as the practical constraint of how the plan tells us to do it. That's why the east has been selected. Okay, and whole foods, you know, think would allow you to do something on top of their. I don't think. I mean it. I'm just, you know, I hear what the residents are saying. It's very intrusive in the location that you're proposing right now. Right, and just to also clarify to you, because that was one of the comments, was rooftops and looking at rooftops, and that's one of the parts of our application is we have a a rule out document that looks at all applicable rooftops and looking at rooftops and that's one of the parts of our application is we have a rule out document that looks at all applicable rooftops and one mile radius and we had to provide rule out reasons for 15 of those existing rooftops. So and that's I believe the minimum height is 40 feet for us to look at a rooftop so anything anything that was 40 feet or taller, we looked at. And I'm trying to see here if whole foods was even met that standard. I don't think it was 40 feet. So. OK. Well, I hear what the residents are saying. They don't have, I think, there's a a crisis of coverage and I understand it's really close to the residents, you know, 300, 350 feet. That is close to existing residents and it sounds like you have a wonderful community. So I'll be listening to the district supervisor as far as her opinion. She represents the residents and I'm glad you all came out tonight. But I do think, you know, looking at alternatives are less intrusive is definitely a better idea. And I know it's just for Verizon. You mentioned that Verizon has other facilities. I really don't understand why we can't work together to improve their coverage using their facilities. So thank you very much. Mr. Kirschner. I just briefly thank you for the residents for coming out. Appreciate what you had to say. I kind of, my comments are largely along the lines of what Supervisor Lutorno has said. And that is, I'm generally in favor of the application as a rule. We deal with these applications a lot in Western Loudon. I don't like them at all. I'm going to be really honest with you because they are an eye sore. You want to preserve your view shed and whatnot. But so there's kind of, again, like I mentioned before and last, there's this balancing process. I mean, we just approved one on Route 7 and Route 9. and a number of the residents came out. They don't want to see it. I'm like, yeah, I read, and it's right next to my house. So if I end up voting for this application, I very similar to what I voted. I didn't then like it, but I voted for it because I knew the importance of it. I will also just note that I agree with supervisor Brisbane that this in no way, although we feel that way where we read things on the internet, loud and county these are not going to impact your home values in any manner. It's just not going to happen. The demand is too great and that's not really what some people actually buy because they have good cell service in an area. So you have, you know, someone may not buy it but there's plenty of other buyers out there for for homes, but I understand, I really do understand the visual impacts and the concerns that come there. And so I will continue to look at the apple. You don't, someone may not buy it, but there's plenty of other buyers out there for homes. But I understand, I really do understand the visual impacts and the concerns that come there. And so I will continue to look at the application a little more closely. But generally, I am in favor of it. I think it's really important. We kind of live in the modern age and people need good internet. And it's interesting with Supervisor LeTerno had to say, And this map itself, I think, is very telling. The only other question I had for the applicant, Madam Turfie, don't mind me asking is, do you have other plan sites to cover the remaining kind of white areas or is that in the works? Not that it really has to do with this, but I mean is there a kind of a master plan that Verizon is looking at or is it kind of a case-by-case basis as needed in areas that require more demand? Can you answer that at all? Yeah, I can give you my perspective on it as being what I would consider we probably have the largest market share in Northern Virginia in terms of working on sites for the carriers. So right now we don't have anything else planned or Verizon does have anything else planned in the media area, trail side and spell mods would really I think help provide that widespread coverage that they're looking to add in this area. So basically they're not willing nearly going and putting up a number. This is very, very strategic. This process I'm guessing. Yeah, for sure. And there's a very limited number of sites since they have a priority list of which ones get funded each year and you know there's a talk with somebody else. I mean we know there's lots of coverage gaps in Loudon County but the ones that get funded are they have to have a strong business case for and I need for it. Great, thank you. So I need to, Mr. Brooksman, is your life, your life's not enough? It was, sorry, Mr. Brooksman, let me turn it off. I'm sorry. Sorry. All right. Mr. Sains. Thank you, thank you. All right, can you, if I can ask questions after that? You can. Clarify again for us so you're saying this is for Verizon, but as of right now it's only going to be for Verizon because I know some of the other monopolis that you guys have done in the past have been co-located with Verizon and T-Mobile and 18 and other. So can you clarify again for us on the record? Is this only for Verizon or will are you still working to negotiate and possibly have other carriers on this thing? ladder. So's starting with Verizon every project We do we have to have a committed carrier to it and then we build it with enough capacity for future co-location So to give a concrete example for instance trail side which was approved Earlier this year or last year started with just AT&&T and we have since been in negotiations with Verizon to co-locate on it as well. So it will have both AT&T and we're in talks now with Verizon to co-locate them on it as well and that was within a year of it being approved. So that would be our expectation and generally what our track record is is in the county and loud in counties We see that strong co-location within the first two to three years of the towers going up So are you in negotiations or Talks with them now possible right now or no With any other carrier for this site no But we are we are marketing it to other carriers in our monthly meetings to see if the funding priorities shift because it's For them when the tower goes up it becomes more real and becomes A collocatable asset and right easier for them, you know speed to market before my time runs out It's already an ask your earlier to think get me the numbers for how close the Route 28 Route 7 pull is to the homes there. Can you also do a report to show, say for example, you said trailside and the other one that Mr. Kushner mentioned earlier that was approved a few months back. Can you show, okay, we started with Verizon on this one, but now after the period of time once the poll went up then it went to being co-lated. Can you show us some data to show how many of those situations have happened with the other polls? Absolutely. Thank you. Okay, so Mr. Prick's been from a respect. There was one person and that was Mr. Turner to spoke and who was from Lansdown down a representing. Nobody else over there was from lands down. They're all lands down is Mr., you said this will impact lands down, they didn't say it would. Mr. Turner represents lands down, Miss Glass represents Belmont. And so when you said this is not going to impact lands down, they never said it what's going to impact them. They're not from lands down. That's the first thing. The second thing is this. I've said many times that my home. I bought my home and we had an amazing view. And then a couple of years later, someone built a house. It was their house. We lost our view. So I'm not somebody who always goes like, oh my god, the view shed. If there's a reason for people to lose the view shed, a valid reason, then they lose the view shed and I feel bad about that. This is not a valid reason to me. It's just not. Listen, there is not a crisis of coverage over there. It's just not, now I can't speak for everyone who has Verizon, but we have a family member who has Verizon, we're going through that area. And we're in this area over there all the time. And there's nothing dropping at all, ever. So I'm not sure what's going on. The hospital is not saying that there's a fire station right there, I mean like literally right there. There's no issues. I do have a question. Is it true that this is just a Verizon map? And this is not a map of other coverage? Because with due respect, yes. I think you're all sure to say that I think it's just a little disingenuous to show us a map of one carrier and then say we don't have coverage because I don't know what the other with the other carriers maps might look like And so that's just Verizon so to say there's there's no coverage Well, there's no covers for Verizon. I don't know what two mobile is doing. I don't know what AT&T is doing So I think that's just I think being a little clearer would have been helpful for me if you a little clear on that type of thing Point taken Okay, thank you. Mr. Sains' question was a great question. Are you in talks of any carriers right now? Your answer was a great answer. I think you're right. That it makes sense that maybe you wouldn't be now, but you might be later on when they come to bear. But as of right now, and it's not just a view shared, it is other as of right now I just don't see the reason I don't see the reason I don't see the rationale I certainly do not see a crisis and if I don't have to impact anyone's view shared I don't need to Mr. Kirchner's right. This does not impact property value. It wouldn't do that I don't believe it would do that But I just don't I don, but I don't understand the reason. I will vote for this to be moved on because Miss Glass is asking us to move it on, so I'll vote for that, but I am telling you right now, I am a no vote. And I'm telling you so you don't call me, because I am a no vote. I'm not voting for this when it comes up, so that's where I'm at. Miss Madame Chair, may I have a point of clarification? Is it a point of clarification? I believe it is, yes. Yes. I believe Mr. Turner said that he represents the lands down conservancy, which is representing a large portion. And I said, and the first of all, that's not a point of clarification. Secondly, I actually said that. I said with the exception of Mr. Turner. Right, but you didn't say that he represents, that he said he represents land down. I do. Well, that's not a coin of clarification. Secondly, I actually said that. I said with the exception of Mr. Turner. Right, but you didn't say that he represents. I do say he represents land, land, and surface. First of all, that's not a coin of clarification. Secondly, this is on videotape. Go back and watch it. Miss Glass, thank you. Would you like a closing? I just like to thank the community for coming out and speaking to night and giving me your opinion and having your voice known to the supervisors. And I ask for my colleagues to support this motion. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you much. The motion was made by the supervisor glass to move it to the what meeting is this June 3rd meeting to the June 3rd meeting. A seconded by Mr. Brooksman. All in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? That motion would pass 801 with Mr. Turner not being here today. I think that is all. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. That is all point of personal privilege supervisors. And anybody else? Tomorrow's my stay at the county. Mr. Crony, get well. I'll see you out tomorrow. We are adjourned.