The turn now is 4.33 on August 28, 2024. I would like to open session, close session. So, roll call please. Mayor Wynne. I'm here. Vice Mayor Hope. Mayor. Councilwoman Fan West. Councilmember Monzo. I'm here. Councilmember Wynne. Mayor you have a quorum with Councilwoman Fan West and Councilmember Wynne Absin. Thank you very much. Is there anything that can you, is there any one sign up for the speak of the close item? No mayor, we have no members present. Okay. Can you go over the close item that we're going to discuss? Yes. The City Council resists to a close session for the following purpose. Conference with legal counsel pursuant to government code section 54956.9d2 potential litigation number of cases 1. And this evaluation of letter from Vice Mayor Hose attorney received on August 14, 2024. I just want to let the public know that we have started this meeting late. It's supposed to be at 4 o'clock, but since we don't have the core of therefore, at this time even we have three members of the councilman, but Vice Mayor will have to recuse us all from discussing about this item. Therefore, we don't have the quorum. That's why at this time here, I will adjourn the closed session. Meeting for a closed session at church. We'll be back at 6 o'clock for open session. I'm sorry. Good evening. The time now is 6.08. On Wednesday, August 28, 2024, I would like to reconvene the City Council's successor, HSE, to the Westminster Development Agency meeting. Meeting is now called to order. Rule call please. Mayor Wynne. I'm here. Vice Mayor Ho. I'm here. Councilwoman Fanouette. Fanouette here. Council Member Manzo. Here. Council Member Wynne. I'm here. Mayor Yavacorn with all members present. Thank you very much. So to the flag today is going to be Councilmember Wynn and invocation by Vice Mayor Ho, please stand. Ready? Begin. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for wishes stands one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Please remain standing about your heads. Heavenly Father, provider of strength, we pray that as leaders of our community, we might have the insight and courage to serve the citizens of Westminster with wisdom and truth. We ask for your guidance in making decisions that affect our community, ensuring that decisions made this evening are in the best interest of our city and all of its citizens. Amen. Thank you, ma'am. Please be seated. Next is the city attorney closed session report, please. Thank you, Mayor and Council. There was one item on the closed session agenda, a potential litigation discussion regarding a letter received from Vice Marraho's attorney. We did not have a discussion on that because we lacked a quorum. So there was no discussion that's occurred on that at all. There's nothing further to report. Thank you for the report there. I did have one, I did have one of the report. Thank you for the report there. I did have one of the things. Council member had asked that concerning two agenda items they're continuing so I would just refer to council member win. Yes thank you. In regard to the agenda item 5.12 and 5.13 on the central of Mayor Charlie and Vice Mayor Ho, I want to inform you that we have a rather additional information pertaining to this issue. So as a result, we believe it is in the best of interests of the Council and the community to have our meeting, our item to move to the next meeting for the discussion. Thank you. Well, we will talk about it later. At this time, I just want to go back to the CD attorney report. My understanding is that we schedule for a discussion meeting. It's for the reason. For the reason. And a serious business, I think. Because there we are meeting to discuss the issues that we can't discuss openly. And what I have noticed is, this is the fourth meeting that the two council would not attend the meeting. What I call a serious meeting, the serious meeting. We cannot get the business done. Especially today, when we have the item to be discussed, we have three council members, two council and me, actually a mayor of vice mayor and a council member. The other two will not. There. Basically. So the and the and the item have to discuss about the lighter that Vice Mayor Hoh sending to the city, which she have to be recuse herself from that. Therefore, we didn't have the quorum to spot the closed session today. That's why the report came out with no meeting today. That's why the report came out with no meeting today. At this time that we have all the council and the mayor is here. If possible, I would like to just to reconvene for that co-section item before we can continue with the open session. So if that's the case, I would like to ask the city attorney is this possible to call for, because it's on a agenda for today. And now we have all five members of the city council here. Should we go ahead and continue with that? It is on the agenda so you can't talk about it. You don't need to walk it on. It's already on the agenda. I understand. So at this time, sorry, the public, I would like to recess and reopen for the closed session item. So councilor please, a light call from recess right now. Councilor please get back to the closed session. How many minutes so the public can know? Are we doing the meeting for 30 minutes so they will wait for us for 30 minutes? However long it takes because this is a closed session item. It's very important. I hope that we can resolve this quickly as possible if the matter can be resolved. I don't think it's the problem. You know what? I think we can reschedule a close session in the afternoon. Another time to respect the public. Please order. 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Thank you very much See a 20 please report out the closed session item Mayor and council we were unable to have any discussion on the closed session because they're locked to quorum Councilmember Manzo and the mayor were present and Councilwoman West and Councilmember, no one were not present. I just want to make a let the community know that Councillor Member West drove off and Councillor Mellon don't know where he's at. Okay, at this time I would like to continue with open session. Export communication. Is there anything from the dius? No. No hearing then. So we will go on with the city clerk report please. Thank you mayor. I just want to point out that there was a leak communication notice for agenda items 3.1 and 5.11 to be considered for council's consideration and approval for tonight's meeting. That is all. Thank you. Thank you. Next is city manager. City manager report please. Thank you mayor. Members of the city council which is very briefly. Once again to commemorate and honor the sacrifices made on September 11th, the Westminster Police Department personnel will be authorized to wear 9-11 badges throughout the month of September. This now annual tradition will forever honor the police officers, firefighters and civilians who lost their lives in the attacks on September 11th, 2001. And then lastly, our file festival is coming up. Last week we wrapped up another fantastic summer movies and music series and we hope you all had a blast. Now it's time to gear up for our annual file festival which is just around the corner. This will be the third year that we are hosting this great event. Save some money now with discounted ride tickets which are available for purchase on our city's website Purchase your tickets now save up to 20% off. So that's a great pre sale offer Festival dates and times on Thursday September 26 will be open from five to nine p.m Which will feature a cultural night celebrating Hispanic Heritage Month in the month September on Friday September 27th Festival will be open from five to 11 p.m. On Saturday, September 28th, from 12 noon to 11 p.m. We'll be featuring a senior expo from 1 to 5 p.m. And on Sunday, September 29th, from 12 to 9 p.m. We'll be featuring a vendor fair with creative babe market from 12 to 4 p.m. A sponsor and vendor applications are still being accepted and can be found on the city's website. You definitely don't want to miss being a part of this awesome event and we hope to see you all there. That completes my report for tonight. Thank you very much. Before I open up for oral communication concerning agenda items only On behalf of the city council and city staff. I would like to welcome each and every one of you Take your time out your busy evening From your family times and being here To voice your opinion which have a way that the view voice opinion you are we are respecting you and we are respecting you and please for your opinion and we will take that from there. So before I open up city clerk can you read the instruction into record please. Thank you mayor. This is the time of the meeting that members of the public may address the city council regarding any items on the agenda except public hearing items. Members of the public wishing to address public hearing items shall do so at the time of the public hearing. Unless otherwise extended by a majority vote of the city council, comment shall be limited to three minutes per speaker. Any person wishing to address the city council in person should complete a green speaker slip that is provided at the entrance to the council chambers and submit your card to the city clerk. When your name is called please step to the podium at that time and state your name and city of residents for the record. Our first speaker tonight is Tim Hogan followed by Jessica Lassenham. Before I begin I'd like to ask on behalf of myself, I imagine most of the people in here, will you be going through the entire agenda? We don't know. Just go ahead then. We do. I spent four hours preparing something here for three minutes and to not have it go through would be an unfortunate case. There is something fundamentally flawed with the resolution of censure against council member West. It is organized in such a way as to give her and her defendants opportunity to minimize the charges, to focus on the trivial rather than the true gist of her transgressions. For the resolution is arranged chronologically rather than criminologically. We are given the progression of her sins rather than the nature of her most serious crimes up front. Only in the middle of page three are her most serious offenses shown, acts for which there is no defense. Without proof, she slandered city staff with baseless accusations of taking bribes, then accused them of favoritism in the selection of vendors. These allegations are criminal offenses, acts which the hapless employees would be liable to charges. Yet Ms. West leveled these damning indictments without thought or evidence. She live-streamed herself as she spewed her filth about bribes. We have the tape. She made her accusations of favoritism in this very chamber. Again, the tape is available to all. Who can defend this? Let alone claim it's her first amendment right. Andogly-moodlies, she accused our police department of collusion and falsifying reports because they didn't arrive at the conclusion she desired. Of what other monstrosities is she capable? And how long will it be before an aggrieved soul takes lawful action against her and this city? Can we afford civil lawsuits to satisfy her longing to always be right? And yes, let us remove her cushion of legal representation provided at city cost. Maybe if she feels the cold hand of personal responsibility, she'll learn to think before she speaks. As a resident of District 1, I know I will sleep easier knowing she's not out misrepresenting me. What we have seen in recent weeks, both in the resolution against her and by her personal behavior, paints a damning portrayal of someone out of control. How do we reconcile responsible representation with wild, incoherent charges of persecution by a city council she claims as composed of Chinese Communist dictators, or the infinitely childish assertion she made that this council is run by whole Chi-man. This level of insipid name calling must cease. The whole sorted circus of incoherence must be brought under control. The governance of this city is too serious for on the job training in basic human decency. Our next speaker is Jessica Lassenhoew followed by Devora Mariscal. I'm just furious right now. I was going to pull my punches and I'm not going to pull my punches now. I'm going to speak on items 5, 11, 5, 12, and 5, 13, and I don't think they should be pulled from the agenda. I think you should vote on them tonight. And when you vote no, they shouldn't come back. This city is at a crossroads, and the path that everyone on the council chooses is going to determine the future of this city. But really what pains me is to see that Westminster is facing real economic and social issues. And those that were elected to lead us are focused more on interpersonal conflicts instead of finding solutions. We elected you to serve the interests of this city, not engage in squabbles and political posturing. While you bicker or disappear from meetings, city staff suffers. When you bicker and disappear from meetings, businesses suffer. When you bicker and disappear from your job, the residents suffer. The agenda Ionus Decentre, Vice-Maro Ho and mayor Nguyen appear to be clear attempts to retaliate against these two allegations. The allegations against vice mayor Ho are 95% cut and paced. The allegations against the mayor, some of which they stand from years ago, these issues have been resolved. There was a ballot measure to move to a rotational mayor in 2022. I know because my name was under it in the ballot. And it failed 60 to 40. Why would we want to spend city money to bring it back two years later with really not a lot of change on the council? It sounds again like political retaliation. You know our financial situation is dire, and we're shouldering the burden of high sales tax. Yet we see little improvement in our daily lives. Safety and economic development need to be the priority on the council. The tit for tattad Exchange has become all too common and every minute spent on personal vendettas or away from these chambers because you can't be here is it's time stolen from these really important issues. We need leaders who can set aside their personal differences and work together for the good of the city. Please stop the bickering. Do the thing we elected to you to do, which is bring the city back from the brink of catastrophe, because to my family, my neighbors, and to me, this is not chum change. Westminster is our home. Thank you very much. Our next speaker is Devor Ameriskel followed by Donald Link. Devor Ameriskel, Westminster. I was going to put something in the end but but I think I'm going to put it now. To the council. I was so amazed by your professionalism at the last meeting, which was completely out of control. For those of you that are watching, if you haven't watched it, just go back and look at it. It was nothing like I have ever seen. I'm sure you're not going to see the next one. I'm sure you're not going to see the next one. I'm sure you're not going to see the next one. I'm sure you're not going to see the next one. I'm sure you're not going to see the next one. I'm sure you're not going to see the next one. I'm sure you I'm really irritated. You get best performance of a two-year-old tantrum, and you're a 40-something-year-old woman. Sorry, I am really angry. Okay, 4.1, use of military equipment. Can we use it in here? Five point seven. That is allowing trips to Washington, D.C. We need to look at our finances to see if we can afford that. Anyone who is not in good standing and tooling the two that bailed tonight should not be allowed to go to that at all. 5.10, censure and remove Amy found rest from anything that she represents the city of Westminster. I'm ashamed to be a part of this city. 5.11, rotational mayor, seriously? No, just like Jessica said. 5.12 and 5.13, retaliation much? 5.15, how would you enforce it? And with the two that are gone, we don't need to enforce it. Thank you. Our next speaker is Donald Link, followed by Pam Grumling. Good evening, Mayor and City Council members. My name is Donald Lank and I'd like to give a special shout out to APW, who incentivized me to speak tonight. I proudly call this city home for the last 25 years, and currently serve as President of Spring Garden Homeowners Association. Throughout my 49 year career in federal government, I've served on various corporate boards where meetings were always orderly thanks to Robert's rules of order. As board members, it's crucial you know and follow these rules. Mayor, you have a gavel, use it. When someone is out of order and refuses to comply, they should be removed. That is why I support a gender 5.15, which would allow the mayor to remove unruly council members after repeated warnings. I would not be in favor of specific time constraints for comments. I am in favor of allowing reasonable time for comments, but not repetitive filibustering speeches. Civil and reasonable discourse should be the standard. When you're yelling, no one hears a word of what you're saying. Regarding agenda 5.1, O, it's important to remember that elected officials and Westminster hold nonpartisan positions. Meaning your decision should be guided by what's in the best interest of your constituents. Unfortunately, I don't see these nonpartisan qualities in some of the current council members. It seems our city council meetings are being hijacked by two recently elected members who objectives don't seem impartial. For this discussion, I'll call them Tweedle Dum and Tweedle D. When Tweedle Dum disliked something, they monopolized the meeting with endless speeches. While Tweedle D encourages this by saying, let her talk, let her talk. Even though most of what is being said doesn't serve the city's best interest. After hours of disrupted behavior and even being censured, Tweedled Dumb continued to the same behavior and went onto accused fellow board members of being Chinese Communist dictators. Ironically, it is Tweedled Dumb and Tweedled D who are exhibiting behaviors reminiscent of true dictators. I stand in favor of agenda item 510 and immediate sanctions, as they are justified, Tweedled Dung shows no intention of changing their behavior. Mayor, you are elected to lead. Please use your authority to maintain order and not let us down. For agenda items 5.7, yes, but require after action reports from any in attendance. As agenda 5.8, yes, but there are broken, because there are broken and irreplaceable meters all over the city. As for agenda 5.9, call for the question and vote. As for agenda items 5.11,11 1213. No. No. Thank you. Our next speaker is Pam Grumling followed by Nguyen Hung. I'm talking in regards to Amy. Hi Amy, I'm not here. What I wanted to mention was time wasted. We wasted so much time. That meeting yet last week was horrible, and it's not your fault. It's that you can't control a child. There's no way. I mean, they throw temper tantrums. They talk over you. Amy is a child. And as I was watching this meeting from home, I was like, oh my gosh, I said, she's like the Tasmanian devil that comes through on those cartoons and reeks have it and just chaos and confusion was horrible. I mean, I honestly, if it gets any worse, I just wanna recall her myself if I have to. It's horrible. It's like out of control. She puts silly things on here because she's angry like with the censorship. I think that this is just my opinion. She's retaliating against you. So she has got this go-fun me thing going and then the rotational mayor. This is horrible. It's wasting so much to everyone's time, these poor staff members that have to stay here. It's just such a waste of time. And I don't even know how you guys can get it under control, but I'm just venting because I live here. And it's ridiculous. We're wasting money. We're wasting our time. We can't even speak because the meetings go so late. It's horrible. She's chaotic. Something has to be done and then her puppet, you know, he's not in my district. Unfortunately she's done nothing in my district. We are fortunate enough to have another council member that we can rely on that can help us when we have a problem because this one won't, she doesn't do anything. So please, I'm sorry you guys have to go through this, but somebody please get her under control. Thank you. our next speaker is Nguyen Heng followed by Tammy Hamel. Good evening. I'm sorry. I don't tell you the email like the last time. Okay. Now I start. Oh, you take my time early. Okay. thank you. Good evening. This violation, our covert and vote that disruptions that need to be at to central accution. Number one, BS. Engineering degree declared in Westmington Memorial and Couching candidate application on this item. It belonged to Mr. Mayor Chi Challing Wen. Number two, report S R 1 and S R-71 DUI report is alcohol or drug like a pain killer. For the accident on May 27, 2020, 30, 29, 38, motion, I have a new numbers 117, West Mittell California 926-83. Number three, that parade, 2024, expensive report. Number four, expensive report for foot of Halk Flakpo in relation to financial with Asian American senior citizen, I'm sorry, senior association. Number five, expensive report for 35 anniversary or little say-run, 34, including 1975 size and cement push. Number six, family related to Dominique Lay or Washington Community Foundation. Number seven, family related to Mac, when, champion of the midway city, sanitary, sanitary or district, three thousand candidates. the city of Sanitari, Sanitari, or district 3000 candidate. And number seven, I'm sorry, number eight, the last one. Agency, agency, any agency and business name, registered in Westminster by Cali-Ting, in to receive a Orange County Supervisor, the by-cat the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the I have a record. If you want, I copy. I sent it of course. Good evening. Tammy Hamill, Westminster, resident district one, unfortunately, because she's representative of that. What just happened at the beginning of this meeting says more than any of us could say up here. This has been their behavior. They are purposely obstructing city business. There are nine agenda items from the last meeting that had to be continued this time and all the other ones, all the nonsense that they put on here. They are as she called someone, their thieves. They are stealing our taxpayer money by the nonsense that they're doing. And she's left again, which we know, that's typical. And I know there may be people that speak on her behalf, but what I've noticed is that the people that come and speak on her behalf are not Westminster residents, they don't watch the meetings, they typically do not return after they've seen her behavior, so we are the ones that continually show up and speak because we continually experienced it. I would say, I mean, I'm obviously in favor of the sanctions, I say after the sanctions because of that behavior last time. And what they've just done, she at least, I know he may have to go through the process, she needs to be removed. Whatever process that is, she is going to continue throwing her tantrums, continue to waste time, city business, actual city business is not getting done. Like people have said, staff are the ones suffering. We come and we speak on one, because we want to. They have to be here. They have to go through us. They have to deal with those two pushing them. She needs to be removed however that needs to be done. If we need to recall, maybe that's what we need to do. Our city cannot afford another year and a half of her or two years, whatever it is. It's too long. So 5.10, the sanctions, yes, remove her from everything has to do with the city. I'm also embarrassed as a district on resident that she's out there trying to speak on Westminster behalf. No to the mayor rotation, that's retaliation, 5.12 retaliation retaliation and I notice it's cut and paste. She just changed the names on a lot of stuff. There's no dates, you guys had dates, the time in the video, they have none of that. They have no base of what they're doing. Oh, agenda items, yeah. That I hope you vote yes on that too because they're abusing that privilege. They're putting nonsense on there just wasting more time. I'm in favor of placing limits because they have made it that that's why it needs to be at least for the time being because when they wanted to take our minutes from five down to three, they said three minutes is enough time to get your point across. It should be the same for them. I say at least give it a try. Thank you. Our next speaker is Michael Verangia, followed by Pat Bay. Good evening. Thank you, Mayor and Council. I'll start right at the top 5.6 vote yes and please approve the sponsorship of Midway City Sanitary Districts anniversary 5.7 do not allow that woman to represent Westminster in anything let alone in DC 5.9 no this is not city business and shouldn't even be on this agenda 5.10 yes please remove her from all committees and boards effective immediately. 5.11, no, keep the mayor as a direct elected position. They didn't like it the last time it came up, no, of a sudden it's come back because it's payback against the mayor. 5.12, no, there's no grounds to censure mayor Wynn. 5.13, there's no grounds to censure Vice Mayor Ho. This is all cut and paste from her own censure. And we could tell she didn't write it because the words are all spelled correctly. 5.14, stop, vote yes on this, please. Stop allowing frivolous items to be placed on the agenda. Just so these two clowns can waste the city and the residents' time on things that they want that have nothing to do with running the city of Westminster. 5.15, yes. I'd like to see some term limits you've heard me speak of that before. There's a presentation, you've got to vote on it, five minutes, everybody gets a shot one right after another. If you have to go back and do it again, then fine, you go back and do it again. But if you've got to spend more than 10 minutes discussing an item, maybe this isn't the best job for you. Or at least read all of the backup information before you get into the chambers because it doesn't sound like these two bother doing that most of the time. And, Kristen, you got to find something to allow the mayor to control this meeting because what she did that last meeting, I was in politics eight years, I never ever, from then until now, have seen anybody act the way this woman did. Usually once or twice a gavel, they stop what they're doing and you can go on to business. If there's more that needs to be done, great. You can go back into closed session and argue it out. You know, arm wrestler, whatever you got to do to do it. But this was absurd. She acted like a four-year-old up here. I kept expecting and I heard other people say the same thing. That she was going to hold her breath and throw herself on the floor and scream because she didn't get her way. And that's exactly what this woman's behavior is. This is two closed sessions. Her inner pet puppy over here didn't bother showing up again. And then when you went back into closed session, where are they now? Thank you. Applause. Our next speaker is Pat Bay, followed by John Ingersassi. Ingersassi. I'm sorry. So Pat. Okay, we'll go ahead and take John. Hello. Good evening, Mayor. Council members. My name is John and Rissani. I'm a resident of Westminster. And I returned again from two weeks ago to discuss 5.15 regarding the disruption of meetings. If you recall, Mayor, we met last October to discuss precisely this issue. As Mayor, it's your responsibility to ensure that our council meetings are run efficiently and professionally. At the last council meeting, the city code 2.04-06O was violated on numerous occasions. For example, upon passing the resolution of Council Member West, the mob broke out into chairs, a clear violation of 2.04. Short while later, the mob shouted again because they weren't happy with another room. And had no problems using the profanity, again another violation. Unfortunately, as loud as they were, you didn't in monitor the violators. You said you were the main silent. Council meetings aren't a popular contest nor a junior high school pep rally. Tuning into Westminster Council meetings at home, it's often difficult to tell whether we're tuned into the city's business or we're watching reruns of the spring or show. The last session was interrupted twice and eventually cut short because all hell broke loose. It was embarrassing to see. And what's troubling to see of all the sea was how much of the trouble it began when you denied council members their right to speak. Whether some people like it or not, the council members speak for us. There are voice. If a crowd of mouth contents don't like that, it's too damn bad. They still have a right to speak. Our voice is equally important as theirs. They don't own the city and they sure as hell don't own the council. While activist groups have the best of interest in creating havoc and disruption, it's your duty, Mayor. To use your authority to prevent the council from being hijacked. It can't be a set of rules that are decorned for the council and the set of rules for the public. In doing so, it violates the 14th Amendment, which states that all laws must be applied equally and fairly to all individuals council members Don't leave their constitutional rights at the door the door of the chamber. Thank you very much Our next speaker is Kim Springer followed by Natlin I'm shaking. Mayor, I thank you for sure if you're doing anything. Mayor, I thank you for everything you're doing. My prayer for you is that you will be bolder. You will be stronger. You will put people in their place. What happened last meeting? I've lived in this city for over 30 years. I've never in my life. Even in my business life, seen anything that even happens like that. Please, please, take care of that. 5.9. It's awful. If the legal letter that was written was not enough to get that taken care of, please do. Um, 510. Amy, I wish you were here because I have tried. I truly have tried to build a relationship with her, broken promises. So do whatever you have to do just to get that finished. The rotation I wasn't aware that I was up before, I wasn't involved then, but no. I think Mayor should stand for his term. 512 and 513, that's all retaliation. And the other thing, there were a lot of things that were said at the last meeting that were offensive in my opinion by this person. You guys are not the gang of three. You are the voice of reason. And I appreciate that. And I believe a lot of people here appreciate that. I would love for District One residents, not just a handful of them. I'd love for all of them to truly come and watch these meetings and see how our representative acts. She does nothing for us, nothing. I have other council members that will actually take care of park issues, homeless issues, you name it. Please take care of this and get this done so we don't have to talk about it anymore. It's exhausting. But I appreciate everything that you guys do. I truly do. Stand strong, stand tall, do the right thing I know you will. Thank you. Our next speaker is Nat Lynn followed by Mark Newyn. and Mr. Mendoza to be able to make a fair bet on the fact that he is still in the contract with the Ministry of Education in the 18th century. It is a very strong and powerful way to keep the economy of our country from getting higher and higher and continue to be able to talk about the future. We are able to talk about the future, talk about the relationship between the two. One of them said that the relationship between the two is a very important part of the relationship and that the relationship between the two is a very important part of the relationship between the two. The other two are the same. The other two are the same. The other two are the same. The other two are the same. The other two are the same. The other two are the same. The other two are the same. The other two of the 5.2-5.3 million people in this industry. We see that the number of people who have been living in the country is just a matter of money and money. Ameer has also been in charge of the New Year's Eve. He has been in charge of the New Year's Eve. He has been in charge of the New Year's Eve. He has been in charge of the New Year's Eve. He has been in charge of the New Year's Eve. The government's efforts to achieve a government's goal to achieve a successful goal. Two people have been fighting a fierce fight and they have been fighting for the past two months. Amy has been fighting for the past two months. The The Ame and Nangguang have signed contracts. On August 20, they have used the Khao Suo Chamber logo of the city and two US officials, as the city's main goal to contract and continue to sell the capital, the Kimberley city, and they have been in the field of the government for the past year. I request that the city's movement be returned to the country and that these two countries have the ability to use the city's main goal to move to a certain extent and In 2022, the city has to pay a lot of money to get the money and the money and the money. And the year of the year, with the help of the YouTuber, the media, the media has been having to pay the money every day, and the money is being paid. The news of the news and the news of the year of the year, with the help of the media, has been being paid by the media and the money is being paid by the media. And the news of the year of the year, with the help of the media, Good evening, Mayor Vice Mayor and Councilmembers, Nathlinn, Westmas, and resident. I would like to voice my opinion on agenda items. One, with more than 20 codes of ethics and codes of conduct violations that Vice Mayor Ho and Councilman Mantholp brought up to center Amy, it is right on point, along with Amy's behavior in the last council meeting on August 14th, it's proven again and again that she defies the law as super arrogant and has an insatiable ego. She thinks she is above her colleagues continues to insult tell lies about them. Speak out of turn, speak over the mayor and others. Verbal attacks, constituents and YouTubers and media who do not side with her. Now the two trouble makers want to censure mayor and vice mayor 512 and 513. We can all see the baseless and ridiculous allegations that cheap retaliation and cowardly revenge. What a waste of time and money for our city. It's so shamedpled for their reaction. Amy with the help of Namquan intentionally disrupted the August 14th council meeting preventing the council and city from conducting government business, just for personal vendetta against vice mayor ho. The two of them showed an ugly face. According to Vietnamese pro-proverts, they were two people who were both robbers and screamers. Amy continues to claim she fights for the so-called victims, but where are those victims in the last meeting and during her so-called press conferences? They're nowhere to be found. I wonder who Amy is fighting for herself. To regarding item five nine, please don't proceed further, just because of retaliation and personal vendetta against Vice Mayor Ho, regardless of right or wrong, regardless of protecting the city from lawsuits, they violate the law again, as if they haven't done enough damage to our city. After the last council meeting, council members, Amy and Namquan held another one of their so-called preferences on August 20th. They use Council Chamber, City logo and two US Republic of Vietnam's flag polls which belong to the City property to campaign for their faction in the upcoming election. I request the City Council to answer voters. Do these two Council members have the right to use City assets for campaign purposes? Three regarding five-11, the two troublemakers, Namquan and Amy proposed yet another ridiculous item to waste city money and time. Just because council member Namquan did not get the vice mayor post for the year, he now wants a rotational mayor. This was an agenda that was already brought up in 2022 and the city had to spend money to get voters opinions and it failed miserably. What was so sarcastic and unbelievable is the fact that Namquan himself in 2022 is a YouTuber and owner of Trust Media and Channel has been condemning cursing and opposing the same agenda item, spitting on it. Today out of hatred and jealousy, it's now Council Member Wen to kneel down and lick the saliva from two years ago to bring back the one and the same agenda that he had condemned, depriving the people's rights to elect their own mayor. As Namquan lost all self-respect and has no shame. Sorry. See you, Bum. Applause. I next speaker is Mark Nguyen, followed by Huay Donato. Namaste. Good evening, Mayor. Council Member. Like a back, itch, I'm Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I'm Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I'm Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I'm Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I'm Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I'm Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I'm Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I'm Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I'm Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I'm Mr. Chair. of the district 85th anniversary celebration. I know you were exceedingly busy conducting the city business in the last meeting and didn't get a chance to talk about the item. From the media coverage, it looked like a disco party and I regret I didn't say longer. All kidding aside, please consider partnering with us for this community event on September 14th from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. I bid you all goodbye for now, but again, Namaste. Namaste is the ancient Sanskrit language still being used as a respectful greeting and farewell. The words embody these meanings which I like you to ponder in these challenging times. My soul honors your soul. I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides. I honor the light, love, truth, beauty, and peace within you, because it is also within me. In sharing these things, we are united, we are the same, we are one. I thank you for your time and consideration. I next speaker is Wei followed by Gigi Vong. the The Emi and Nam Kuan, Nam Sao, Maha, Dong, Thun Phu, Kota, Lam, Viet, Cho, Kuy, Yeng, Khi, Hai, Hong, Ba, Emi, Nam Kuan, Kui, Phat, Phat, Daya, Daya, Nghien, Nhung, Nghi, the the and the people who are doing the police to help them to get the police to the police to get the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the police to the government. We have to be able to continue to support the government. The government has to be able to continue to support the government. The government has to be able to continue to support the government. The government has to be able to continue to support the government. The government has to be able to continue to support the government. The government has to be able to continue to support the government. The government has to be able to continue to support the government. The The Lethamedua Tin, Mr. Mayor, vice mayor and council members, my name is Wei, a resident of West Mr. City. I would like to voice my thoughts on the following agenda items. Agenda 5.9, it's not the responsibility of the city council if Miss West is really a person with good and kind hearts, help the victims bring those involved to court to be tried. Agenda 5.10. Strip Amy over right to represent the city at meetings with other cities in the district. I completely agree with this. It is shameful for Westminster City to have a representative like Miss West. Agenda 5.14. I support it because otherwise the city will be paralyzed by two worms, Amy and NOM Quon. How can the city council work for the residents when council members, Amy and NAMquan keep causing trouble and proposing useless and time wasting agendas without any form of organization? A gen to 5.15, I think this agenda should have been here a long time ago, especially since Ms. West came to the city. She always talks more than all the other council members, but always complains about not having freedom of speech. She is so dishonest and anyone who has actually followed the city meetings would agree with me. Yesterday I read an article in Noiviet daily news. The article began with quote, the regular meeting of the Westminster City Council on Wednesday evening August 28 promises to be much more chaotic than the meeting two weeks ago, according to the city's agenda which was made public on August 24th. Then quote, the chaotic scene in the image of two council members, Amy and Namquan, going down to the meeting room area to argue with reporters and residents, I think that is an insult to the city council. There's nothing worse. Everyone saw it clearly in the Noiviyant newspaper described it. At one point, Councilmember Amy and Nankwan argued with some reporters and residents, forcing the police to intervene. The meeting was so tense that there were five police officers in the room, including the police chief to maintain order. Throughout most of the discussion, Councilwoman Amy Fan West, often erupted loudly, even as Mayor Cheach Harley-Win banged his gabbles and told them to be quiet. At one point, the mayor turned off her microphone, but she continued speaking. We the residents ask that the City Council take strong measures to resolve cases of harassment, random argument statements that dominate the form, and I ran out of time. Thank you. Thank you. Our next speaker is Gigi Vo, followed by Jodie Void. and the children. With the 7 points, I will give you two years of experience with the year-old and the real-life of the children. The total cost of the treatment is not only a single month, but also a month-old. And the two of them can't be treated for the benefit of the children to be treated for a year. I'm going to ask for your advice on the future of the program. I'm going to ask for your advice on the future of the program. I'm going to ask for your advice on the future of the program. I'm going to ask for your advice on the future of the program. I'm going to ask for your advice on the future of the program. I'm going to ask for your advice on the future of the program. I'm going to ask for your advice on the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word of the word The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The I may end Councilmember and everyone present here tonight. I am Gigi Vaugh, a resident in Little Saigon. I am heartbroken and feel ashamed to our city because of the chaos meeting on August 14 due to the sub-owners disruption, squatting on the law of Council Member Amy and the defiant support of Council member Namquan. Today I would like to talk about item 5.12 proposed to council member Namquan to send to Mayor Charlie Nguyen and seven left of all points stated. I think that the two council member Namqu Kwan, Amy, are really crazy, blind and ridiculous. Just because they did not achieve their goal of firing the city manager, both of them were not voted for the vice mayor post and Mrs. West gets censured due to her violent conduct and ethics, 0.1. Mr. Namquan said the mayor disclosed confidential information to attack his political opponent. What information did he disclose? Or were it really Amy and Namquan, the two culprit who brought up the closed door meeting, to the public. I will talk loudly on YouTube to defend their colleague and receive residents. Mr. Nam Guan said that the mayor argue with residents during council meeting. I read this allegation and filed it sarcastic. Let me ask the resident present in the. I am very proud of the city of the city of the city of the city. I am proud of the city of the city of the city. I am proud of the city of the city. I am proud of the city of the city. I am proud of the city of the city. I am proud of the city of the city. I am proud of the city of the city. I am proud of the city of the city. I am proud of the face towards the residents. And wasn't it Mr. Nam-kwan who set in his YouTube channel talk show on around June 13th? I want to jump down to slap them in the face a few times and choke them to death. Referring to the resident who dare to come in to cow-so meeting and criticize Mr. Namguan. Point three, Mr. Namguan use the controversial statement you had, that mean coward. Referring to incident of then vice mayor Charlie and Mrs. Kimberley Ho, during the term of the former mayor Chita, this incident happened ways before Mr. Namguan was elected. Way before your time here at the council. So how is it that was related to your concern Mr. Namguan? This is really shameful. This is nothing to censure. You cannot think of anything to censure the mayor. So you have to resort to these nonsense points. Why are you making more trouble, Mr. Namguan, point four? What is mayor Chowlin-Win doing right now that is considered nepotism? Mr. Namguan should spend his time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Before you call the next speaker, it's my job to enforce the policy that we have here. So if you are recording, I would like to ask you to go to the back of the room because that's a policy that we have. And if possible, I would like to ask you to go to the back of the room because that's a policy that we have and if possible I would like to have one of you to move the front and reserve a reserve one of that seat for Middighight out. I appreciate that. Thank you so much. Next speaker please Our next speaker is Jody Boyd following Victoria Cooper? Good evening. My name is Jody Boyd and I'm a citizen of Westminster and also of District 1 where we have been completely without competent representation for almost two years now. I'm here to talk to you because I want to remain focused on our finances. So I'm here to talk to you about item 3.3. Time is money. This city is broke. We have been broke for years. Why are we not focused on that? Why don't we add a specific agenda item after we take the Treasurer's report to report on how much money we have stolen out of reserves stolen. You have no plan to pay it back ever. How much has been taken over the last 10 years? How much was taken again without much fanfare this last June? What is the plan? What has the City Council come up with? Okay? Our biggest problem is we have two incompetent people starting right there. You need to sharpen your pencil and get busy because they should not be allowed back in the chambers this evening. This is uncalled for. Okay, last week I saw, or I watched, a woman on the verge of a nervous breakdown, and it had nothing to do with the late Gina Rollins. It was Marjorie Taylor, fan west, who quickly went off the edge from the far right fringe into the lunatic fringe. I honestly considered dialing 911 to report a psychiatric emergency in council chambers. It was either that or offer her a joint. Instead, I smoked one myself that I bought in Santa Ana and gave them my sales tax money because we can't talk about real adult Issues here. This is ridiculous. Okay. I've looked indeed a city council member can be removed From their office without a recall, but if somebody brings me a petition for a recall, I will sign it. I will give them money. I will walk and dedicate my life to it. This woman must go now. We can solve this problem with math. So she has been added. She's created nothing but division, which continues to multiply. The only solution is subtraction. Get rid of her. Thank you. Victoria Cooper, Victoria Cooper, followed by Debbie Schwabble. Yes. First of all, she'd like to greet everybody present here, and she wanted to speak the truth. She stated her name. Yes. And did you go to the city to present a letter to the city of Westminster is facing dilemma of fraudulent election. She said she is American, not a dog, two legs dog. So she liked to thank the police department. She thanked the police for protecting her because American citizens and doing her right to vote for President Donald Trump. Thank you. Thank you. Can you please stop now? We hold it for the clock. Again, it's not. Stop. I want to talk with him. It's the meeting that I am deciding. So please respect me for my comments. I have seen that she speak on the item of the agenda. And I want to make sure that I gear her back to, if she continued to speak out of the agenda, please wait until the end. And if she wants to speak the item on the agenda, I will allow her. Can you, can you? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Ravi, is that you, Emmy, fan, who has been working at the company? I'm the fan. Please. Can you translate for her please? OK. All right. I'm going to ask you to translate for her please. OK, all right. I give you the first warning, please. If you continue to drop out of the agenda item, then I will stop you. OK? No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. You start to get out of the hidden items again. This is a second warning to you. Okay. Yes. So, that's it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor and City Council Member Monzo. There's just a couple of things I would like to say I didn't plan on speaking tonight. On 5.7, I do have to agree with Jody that our finances in this city are not real good. To me, a trip to Washington, D.C., I know can be business. It also is a perk and I think it's something that we could cut and I don't mean any offense by it but I just think it's something if it were in my budget and I had the opportunity to go to a convention or something I believe that I would probably have to not go based on my budget and I believe our city's budget is just as bad as mine sometimes. 5.9 to me is not a city business matter. I would like to see that removed if we could. 5.10. I totally agree with what is written here. One thing I did think about after watching the show of the last time, I wondered if maybe the council could hire somebody who has training in narcissistic behavior and maybe give you some tools on how to handle it because it was totally out of control. No one argues with that. I don't know a little bit about narcissistic behavior and I'm not a doctor but I can recognize it when I see it. And she baits you guys. She puts things out there to bait you and you take it each time because I think you're just helpless. You don't know what to do and that's very, very typical. But I would like to see maybe some instruction to help you because if she's going to remain on the council through the rest of her tenure or her term in some form or another, you're still going to get it. She's not going to heal. The gentleman previously had said that there are, it appears there are two separate rules here. There are two separate sets of rules. There's rules for us and there's rules for the council. If any of us even started to act like that, we would be removed. And maybe I don't understand the law, but I don't understand why the police officers cannot remove someone like that. It's not fair to you. You don't get your business done. I'm a citizen. I would like, I pay taxes. You pay taxes. We'd like to get our city business done. This is just a waste of time. 5.11 to consider changing the office of mayor. I say no, people voted for the mayor. When you run for mayor, you're voted for mayor, you serve as a mayor. Just because someone doesn't like what the mayor is doing, I don't believe we should do that. Thank you for your time and thank you for what you do for the city. Applause. All right, next speaker is Monique Nguyen, followed by Kaiido. Good evening. Dear Mayor and council members. I am Monique Nguyen, a resident who always care about Westminster City Council meeting. I am very sad because recently the two council members, Amy NAMK 1 have increasingly joined hand to create a less agenda with no practical value to the city, but only cause trouble wasting time to spend the city money wastefully, only causing chaos to the city meeting. Really shameful. We need electric official to create laws to attract investment, develop social culture, making West Minister more beautiful, more diversify and more lively place. agenda like about five nine, go for me. Just solely blame vice mayor whole why she not responsible for the story how it came and changing five minutes to three and then reverse changing three to five minutes. And agenda, more the 5-11, requests changing the mayor's office from directly elected to rotational. Back in 2022, the city had spent more money, a lot of money, in major ballot and people have chosen the mayor position to be vote, not by rotational. Now, why bring back something that people have chosen before to waste the money? Item 512, A going to be sentient of the mayor simply because of retaliation. Amy, men to say, I am sentient by you, I will do the same in revenge. Syria and resident of Westminster don't have time for the ridiculous censure for the revenge of being censured. As agenda 513 also censure Vice Mayor Hall apparently show council namquan and Amy don't have anything better to do for the city beside revanging and rebellious. To council Amy and namqu, let's show yourself more respectful to Westminster resident and not for your own power and ambitious. Thank you. Our next speaker is Kai Dao, followed by our final speaker Terry rings. Well, good evening, everyone. Sorry I wasn't planning to speak. I was very moved and agree with most of what people have been saying, especially Joe Boy, I'm sorry, I have a question. But yeah, Mr. Mayor, I hope now that you realize why I've been criticizing you the way you handled the gravel presiding the meetings. I have no problem you telling me to go back, sitting in the chair and a live streaming. I respect that. When you did the right thing, I have nothing against you. But I guess everybody can see that the last meeting has been a circus for what it is. We should be ashamed. I'm ashamed to call myself a westernster resident, having you guys represented us and behaving the way you did and put on a show that becoming the laughing stock of the whole county, of the whole nation and everybody, even people back in Vietnam, they're laughing at us, you know, thinking using the word, not even banana republic, but they would call it, not even kangaroo court. It's like a rat scousel. That's the Vietnamese, there's a like a rat scousel. That's the Vietnamese, that's a word for a rat scousel. Anyway, I'm glad, finally, that you guys with Mr. City Attorney, I think it's time for you to sit them down and do whatever it takes to come up with some kind of, he keeps saying the column policy, whatever, to at least, you know, to control the meetings in the future because we don't ever want to see it happen like that again. And I'm all for the item 511. You guys, I'm one of the persons that proposed that we have a rotating system to choose a mayor instead of having to go into election or go into kind of mutzling in. And Mr. Councilwoman Kim Reho, I think it's now you have the chance to do the right thing. And I hope you guys can pass it push it through and Well, like I said with the item five is it five twelve? Yeah, I'm I totally agree with it that we need to have the room set aside and just like Mrs. Boyd said There's more important things that you guys to focus on. Like that's why I didn't run when Mr. Kimho said she will reform the county and balance the budget. That's what you should focus yourself on. Thank you. Our final speaker is Terry Reigns. This agenda is embarrassing. Don't ever move BS items before city business or noticed public hearings again. That move resulted in the chaotic abortion of the last meeting. Item 5.7 Aimee should be prohibited from attending any city paid conferences in addition to 5.10 sanctions. We don't want her representing us anywhere item 5.9. This isn't city business. Since the last meeting was aborted because Amy would not STF you on this. Go ahead and letter yep on further and criminate herself. Vice Mayor Hose attorney will have a filled day with the video. Amy and Namquan ditching meetings is obstructionism item 510. Finally sanction sanction Amy, Fand West, remove from all boards and committees. And don't let her go to costly conferences either. A pointee is served with the pleasure of this council. Her egregious behavior disqualifies her from representing our city anywhere anytime. Item 511, Namquan, you're a friggin hypocrite. You obsessively campaigned hard against Major C in 2022. Allegiant it would striper's rights and more. Last year you and Amy demanded a full cost accounting of Major C trying to shame those who placed it on the ballot. But now you want it because you hate Charlie, hence 512. Ridiculous, one and two, no specific. Sighted three was in the first Charlie Center resolution that those two voted over. Turn last year, four was before their time, Council adopted ordinance 2576 in 2021 to address this. And 567 total bullshit. Vote no. Item 513, Amy, you lazy, narcissistic, awful. You just copied and pasted clauses from the resolution to center you and they don't even apply to vice-mereho. Your few edits are senseless with poor grammar and sentence structure, Even with staff fixing your spelling, no factual evidence is cited. Periods about no. Item 514, Mayor Wynn, I applaud you for trying to gain control over these meetings, but the city must stop legislating around these two problematic council members. And punishing everyone else. We've changed the agenda policy far too many times in the last five years as knee jerk reactions to Council in fighting vote no. Item 515 Mayor, please split this item into two separate discussions of votes, putting timelinets on council members won't pick these meetings anymore than reducing our speaking time did. It didn't. The focus shifts to controlling the clock versus listening to each other and having robust discussions on important city matters. If we need a rule to enforce state law, then yes to the force strikes your out rule portion of this item. Christian considered the legal concerns that I raised yesterday. Chief Lene and city manager Gordon consider getting outside legal advice. Item eight, we were denied our right to speak at the last meeting due to the chaotic disruption and abrupt adjournment caused by Amy Namquan. New rules, council members must contain all official meetings. Absent, a bonafide reason. Council members must first be recognized by the mayor to leave the diets announcing the reason to leave. And the estimated time they'll be gone. And Amy and Namquan must be held accountable. If those two can't do the job, they need to step the hell down and we need to dock their pay. Thank you. Mayor, you have no further speakers? Thank you very much. Again, thank you for treating your time out and voice over opinion. At this time, I would like to close the oral communication. And the next item is consent calendar. All matters listed under the consent calendar are considered routine and may be approved by a single motion followed by a row call vote. There will be no separate discussion of these items. And last members of the city council are staff request that specific items be removed from the consent calendar for separate action or discussion. At this time, I will entertain if there's a motion for approval or consent calendar. Motion to approve. Mayor, I'd like to, 3.8. I have to recuse myself and the rest I approve. Okay. So you. I'm in my. Okay. Let's go ahead. City Attorney. I know we, Councillor, vice mayor, ho, we had talked about you recusing. Just to be aware since if she recuses then we only have two votes. So on that particular item we wouldn't be able to approve it. Just that one. So we can approve the rest except for 3.8. Yes. Yes. Yes. Because of their absences. Yes. We're trying to conduct city business and this is kidding. Can you stay very unprofessional and ridiculous? So I would recommend pulled item 3.8 and then move the balance. Yes, if you'd like to amend. Yes, I am my motion to pull item 3.8 and approve the balance. I second. Motion in a second on the floor. Thank you. And this is also with the revisions for item 3.1 and the late communications. Correct. And are second areas that correct with you as well? Yes. Thank you. Okay. I have a motion made by Councillor Romanzo, second made by Vice Mayor Hill. This is to approve the consent calendar with the amendment to item 3.1, listed in the late communication memo, and to pool item 3.8. I'll go to call roll. Councillor Romanzo. Yes. Vice Mayor Hill.8. I'll go to call roll. Councillor Monzo? Yes. Vice Mayor Hoh? Yes. Mayor Wynne? Yes. Motion carried 3-0. Thank you very much. Next is public hearing. Let me just say for item 3.8 we're unable to take action at this time because we don't have a quorum. Can I motion to bring it back when we have one more council member? We'll just bring it. Yeah. Is it a time constraint thing? I want to say a part of this is funded by ARPA funds so we do- We have one more council member so- Okay So at this point we have So we have council member retran so 4.8 Why don't we wait you want this you can you can we can be consider solely if you want to resume at home. But I don't think I need to go to the back. Since we pulled it separately, you should leave then if you're going to recuse yourself now. Since it's not no longer on the consent calendar. May I ask for a reason to do a school so? Well, I'm within 500 feet. Can we vote on the rest of it? I think we already did vote on it. No, we didn't vote on it. The rest of it. We already did. She has to leave her. Now all of them is left to sleep point. It's 3.8. So we're going to discuss 3.8 then. It's no longer on the consent calendar. If it's on the consent calendar, you can stay and abstain. There's a rule that allows that. But once we've pulled it, you should recuse and leave the dies if you have a reason to recuse. Okay. So going on with the 3.8 motion to approve. Well, Mr. Mayor, may I make a quick thing? Okay, please. So I just want the public to know that I was dealing with some police report on the back. That's why I try to come back and forth with the meeting. So I want to let you guys know that I was not here the whole time. And if you want to you can ask the police, I'll do a police report back there. Okay, sorry you guys. So please not give, you know, make a judgment before you know what happened. Okay, thank you. I appreciate that. So I second to the motion. So motion and second on the floor. Thank you. I have a motion made by Councillor Romanza, seconded by Mayor Wain. This is to approve the plans and specifications for the Cherry Street Community Garden Project Plan number P2614 and authorize the Public Works Director or City Engineer to approve minor modifications to the plans and specifications to accommodate requested revisions from public safety and utility agencies and authorize the Public Works Department to advertise and solicit construction bids for said project. I'll go ahead and call roll. Councillor Wolmond fan west. This is to approve the consent, right? This is to approve item 3.8. Okay. You know what? Can you come back to me please? Councillor Romanzo. Yes. Councillor Irwin. Yes. Councillor Wilman-Penwest. Yes, go ahead. Mayor Wynne. Yes. Motion carried for zero. Okay, next is public hearing. Can you read the instruction into the record please? Would you like me to get by some air hole back in the room please? Yes, can somebody ask? Yes, you are back. So please with the district. Yes, we are. Public hearing. For public hearings, anyone wishing to speak on an open public hearing may speak in person. Speakers during public hearing comments will each have three minutes to speak on each public hearing item. Any person wishing to address the city council in person should complete a green speaker slip that is provided at the entrance to the council chambers and submit the card to the city clerk. When your name is called, please step to the podium at that time and state amending the city's policy regarding to the use of military equipment and present the 2023 military equipment annual report. May I ask for a stop report, please? Yes, Mayor. Good evening, Vice Mayor, Council members. First state law, we deliver an annual report to council on 4.1, which is our 2023 military equipment annual report. And I'd like to introduce Commander Scott Gump, who will be delivering that report to you. Thank you, Chief. Good evening, Mayor Pro Tem, Council members, City Manager and community members. Assembly Bill 41 became law as of January 1st, 2022. Per AB 41, law enforcement agencies are required to obtain approval by ordinance adopting a military equipment use policy from the respective city councils. Law enforcement agencies are further required to submit an annual military equipment report to their city council for as long as we use that equipment. Agency must post a proposed policy changes at least 30 days ahead of time of the public hearing. Our proposed policy was posted to our city website on July 24th, 2024. We must also hold at least one commuting engagement meeting within 30 days of submitting and publicly releasing the annual report. The 2023 annual report was posted to our website on August 6, 2024. And the community engagement meeting is being held today at the council meeting. The community engagement meeting was also advertised on the police department social media accounts and the Westminster Harold Journal newspaper. After the adoption of the current policy, we determined that there was a need to amend the policy with respect to certain equipment. The only changes we had proposed from last year's policy are the potential future purchase of drones, upgrading a few rifles and distraction devices also known as flash banks. Any amendment to the policy requires reinitiating this approval process and the passage of new ordinance adopting the amended military equipment use policy. Items deemed to be military equipment by AB 41 are used as a component of overall best practices by law enforcement agencies throughout this country. These tools have been fuel tested and are used to enhance public and officer safety. Loss of these items would jeopardize the welfare of our police officers and the citizens of Westminster whom they serve. The term military equipment as used in the assembly bill 41, in fact does not necessarily indicate equipment that has been used by or purchased from the military. Pursuant to AB 41, items deemed to be military equipment include but are not limited to our armored vehicle, pepper balls, less lethal shotguns, projectile launchers, certain firearms and diversionary devices. The attached ordinance seeks to amend the existing WPD policy section 706, which constitutes WPD's military equipment use policy. Policy 706 outlines each item identified in government code section 7070, that is currently owned by the city. Policy 706 also includes the current use and costs of each item that we deploy. These items and their state of use has been in place prior to the implementation of AB 481. WPD seeks council adoption of the attached emitting military equipment policy. Section 706 to allow WPD to continue to use this vital equipment specified in that policy. We are not requesting any additional money at this time and that includes my presentation. I'm open for any questions, the council may have. Thank you very much. At this time, I will ask no council member for comments and if there is any. I have just one question. Thank you for the report. Just for the sake of the public, can you let the public let us know what's why the term military, why that term is used even though it's not really military equipment. It's a legislative senate bill 41 that was passed by our legislature identifying certain equipment as military equipment. And like I said, that goes from our armored car barricade for high-risk situations where there might be armed subjects to our less lethal equipment like less lethal shotguns. Somebody who's armed with a knife that won't put it down. All that is described by legislation as military equipment. Okay. And can you talk about the benefits? Does that understand that when we use drones, there's a net cost to use from another agency. For us to have that service and the benefit of us having it in house? Absolutely, sir. So having the ability to use drones, the only other options are other agencies to use them, which there's a time delay. And also, a lot of times drives drones will provide live feed and our officers can react in real time. We can also use helicopters that comes with a heavy fee and they're not always available. So for us to have our own drones Would be ideal to deploy in situations that we need to take real-time action There's a there's a cost savings Absolutely over time. Yes. All right. Thank you Any others I Move the booth this item Sorry, I'm Lee. Sorry, sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I would like to open for public comment. Our first speaker is Michael Verangia, followed by Terry Reigns. Thank you. I probably shouldn't even have to talk. I didn't see any opposing comments here, but I wouldn't like you to approve this because there is so much equipment out there that the federal government is willing to pass long to city and county law enforcement agencies. And as the commander was just talking about the bear cat, you can't really go out and buy one of these things off a lot somewhere. And the fact that most all of them are in excellent condition. They've been very well maintained vehicles along with a lot of the other items, small arms, ammunition, things such as that. So please consider, regardless of what it is, if it's going to save the life of an officer, that's the only thing you should be concerned about. If it's going to save the life of an officer out of care if it's a water balloon, let's get it for our officers. Thank you. Our final speaker is Terry Reigns. Good evening. First I want to commend our police department for an excellent detailed report. Not only I would encourage everybody to look at the details because it actually spells out the incidents where they had to deploy some of this equipment. We have a lot of slap houses or we had a lot of slap houses in this city, but a lot of times those raids are very dangerous for our officers and the surrounding residents. We need that kind of equipment. And I think honestly, I have to say maybe we need some of that equipment or at least the threat of that equipment around here because I don't know what else to do. But law enforcement needs to have every tool in their toolbox to keep us safe. And this is, this equipment is absolutely necessary. And I trust that our officers don't over utilize this equipment. There's a very strict protocol of when they can and cannot use it. And, and, and, you know, there's a command and they go through all sorts of cautionary procedures before they deploy any of this. But if we hadn't had this equipment, some of those lap house raids might have gone really south. And I mean that an officer could have been injured or worse or somebody in the surrounding neighborhoods. So this is a good thing. I just wish maybe the last meeting we needed some tear gas set off because maybe that would have You know at least put things back on track or at least got us all out of here safely. Anyway, thank you so much We have no further speakers mayor. All right. Thank you. It is now the time for Mayor and Council member discussion and action. I believe that we have motion on the floor. Mr. Mayor. Yes. I have one last question to ask. Okay. Go ahead. Okay. So I was wondering, the armor vehicle that we have in the back there. Is that part of our vehicle or are we sharing with someone else or what's that? If you can elaborate on that. Yes. The armored vehicle we have one of them that was bought with the U.S. You grant. No city money was spent on that and we do share it with four other cities. That's part of our west county swap team. Okay. But does it belong to us since we use the grant? It's housed here, but anybody that needs it in those agencies can use it. Okay, so with this one, so we need another one that's what you are saying, or to replace that one. No, we're not requesting a second bearcat. So you want to replace the other one we have? No. Then because what I'm seeing here, it would cost 315 so you want another one. No. In that report I just have to itemize what it originally cost but we're not asking to purchase anything additional regarding that. Okay so today you said that you guys want more right? That you listed today. You wanted, you need a couple of weapons, which is okay. Also, you said you need drones. That's totally fine. We do need that because last time I went to your guys early morning, kind of like clear, the know, the slap house. You guys do use someone else's drone, not your own. So I understand that we can use the drone. Now for the, you know, long range device, I'm totally okay with that, you know, to other stuff now. But then with the, so tell me exactly on this list, do you need that right now? No, that list also includes items we already have, but we just have to come to you to ask permission to continue using that stuff. The report you're looking to itemize equipment in green is the stuff that we don't have. Shhh, can I hear what he's saying? It's mayor. I can't even hear what command a gump is saying. Can you please? So on the itemize equipment list, there's two types of drones that we're asking to have the opportunity to purchase. And one type of rifle and then one type of flashbang electronic diversionary device that we use for high-risk situations. We're not asking to purchase another armored vehicle. We just want to keep using the one we have. Okay, so it will cost money to maintain it, is that what you're saying as well? There is maintenance cost. Okay. All right. Thank you. I appreciate that. All right. Through a couple. Mayor. Yes. Yeah, I just thank you so much for the report. And as the resident stated earlier, this is a very nice detail report and I think before we vote, I just want to read just a short paragraph. And it says it deemed to be military equipment by AB481 are used as a component of overall best practices for law enforcement agencies throughout the country. These tools have been field tested and are used by law enforcement agencies nationwide to enhance public and officer safety. Lots of these items which jeopardize the welfare of peace officers and the citizens of Westminster whom they serve. And I think that just kind of sums it up. And that's really the reason why we need to make sure we vote yes on this. Thank you. Okay, if there are any other comments, our question for this item, otherwise we have a motion and second on the floor. We did. It was motion moved by me and then seconded by Councillor Levin. Unless you want me to go back and ask for that again. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Councillor Levin. Oh, I'm sorry, council member win. Okay, so I have a motion made by Mayor win, seconded by council member win. This is to introduce an ordinance entitled an ordinance of the mayor and city council of the city of Westminster, California, amending the city's policy regarding the use of military equipment, read by title only a way for the reading of and file and receive the 2023 military equipment annual report. I'll go at a call roll, Councilwoman Fanwrest. Yes. Councillor Member Monzo. Yes. Councillor Mumber-Win. Yes. Vice Mayor Hull. Yes. Mayor Winn. Yes. Five zero motion carried. Four point two. We continue with public hearing case number 2023-0818. City Council review of the Planning Commission's recommendation to approve case number 23-0818. Request for a development review affordable housing density bonus, investing tentative trap map for condominium purposes for the development of 25 for sale residents of condominium units, including 23 market and two very low income units located on partial 1 of lot line achievement LL20 2023-08-04 APN number is 096-041-30 and 096-041-31. Puberty addressed as 1-3552, Goen West Street, West Minister Carl, when you're at 926-830. May I ask for staff report, please? Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor and Council Member. Tonight's presentation involves planning case number 2023-0818, proposed 254 cell condominium units development by Brandywine Acquisition Group. On property located formally known as 13552 Golden West Street with assessors parcel number 096-041-3031. The project site is 1.29 acres and located on the north east corner of Golden West and Finway. Drive just south of Trask. The site is currently owned by Saint Luke's Lutheran Church of Westminster and consists of two lots. The applicant, Brandewine, is in the process of purchasing the vacant portion of the church property, which was used as a church uses and a private daycare, which is no longer there. In April of 2024, the Planning Commission approved recommended for approval to the council members of case number 2023-08104 to legalize existing church to south of the subject parcel. Additionally, a lot line adjustment was approved and recorded with the county of orange creating the 1.29 acre project site. The proposed land use approval includes a development review for the development of 25 unit residential condominiums. That's the pretended parcel track map for condominium purposes. An affordable density bonus to grant additional residential units above what is otherwise allowed by the general plan designated per state density bonus law. The subject, the project includes 11% very low income affordable units and is therefore entitled to a 35% density bonus. The project site is zone R2 with a general plan designation of residential medium. The project site abuts multi-residential uses duplexes to the east, single family houses to the west and religious place of worship to the north and south. The project proposes six buildings comprised for the 25 condominium units and three plan types are proposed. The three time plan types with varied floor plans range from 1200 square feet to 1775 square feet in size. All plan types provides two car garage. Plan type 2 and 3 are two stories with 3 30 feet in height. While all plan types comply with the maximum building height of 35 feet, Plan type 1 actually exceeds the level of maximum of two stories. The project community includes a dog park located between the building buildings 1 and 2 on the north side of the project site and with a community open space area with the outdoor barbecue tables and covered trailers on the south side of the project between the buildings five and six is provided. The proposed plan includes a 25 foot wide private street featuring my hammerhead at the eastern end of the private provided access to eight of the units to facilitate emergency turn around. to eight of the units to facilitate emergency turn-around. The size design includes enhanced paving at the entrances on Golden West Streets for added enhanced aesthetics, reduced setbacks in the front yard, the side yards, and the rear yard. And I will provide the table to show the differences between the required and what's been proposed. The proposed landscape covers approximately 19% of the total project area exceeding the cities required 15%. A six foot high block wall, perimeter wall with pilasters at the end of the wall closest to Golden West streets as well as a two low less than three feet tall block walls towards the front. The project architectural theme has no distinctive architectural style like the old English. However, the building is articulated. I'm achieving through the various roof plant, plants, building facade, offsets and shutters and painted trims. For buildings 13, 4 and 6, the top of the roof reaches a 30 feet high. We're building two and three, the top of roof in is a 35 feet in height. The exterior elevation includes stucco, vinyl windows, painted garage doors, decorative front doors and shutters and concrete estile roof tiles. The proposed color pallets is primarily tan with dark brown screens and tarot car accident colors. The proposed project is subject to the State's density bonus law, which was enacted in 1979, amended several times since. The intent of the law is to incentivize developers to in exchange for building affordable units. This is achieved by requiring cities to allow more residential units than the site's land use density by offering certain development concessions and waivers for income restricted housing projects. Other benefits of the density bonus law includes incentives intended to help make a development for affordable housing economically visible. This could include increase in building high requirements as well as the waivers or reductions of the development standards, including reduced parking ratios. As proposed, the project includes 11% very low income units and is therefore entitled to a 35% density bonus law on the formula which was created by the state. The general plan is designated as a residential medium density which allows up to 14 dwelling units per acre. Based on 1.29 acre site, the project can have up to 18 units. With the 35% density bonus, it will allow additional seven units. Therefore, the proposed total units is 25. The two income restricted units are designated as plan one and located in buildings two and five. In compliance with the state law, the applicant is required to enter into an affordable housing agreement with the city. And both the applicant to ensure that the two affordable for sale units are initially sold and occupied by persons or families of very low income. However, if the unit is not sold within 180 days after the certificate of occupancy, the units may be purchased by a qualified non-profit housing corporations that meets the specific requirements. In addition to the entitled density increase at the request of the applicant, the city is required to provide one or more incentives or concessions via a reduction in site development standards or modification of zoning codes or architectural design requirements which result in identifiable and actual cost reductions. The number of required incentives and concession is based on the percentage of affordable units in the project and can range from one to four incentives or concessions. As proposed, the project is entitled to one incentive or concessions that applicant seeks to see the allowable number of stories from two stories at 35 feet to three stories at 35 feet for the four proposed plan type one units. Additionally, at the request of an applicant, the jurisdiction is required to provide waivers or reduction of development standards. As stated per state law, the city is not permitted to apply any development standards that will physically preclude the construction of the project at its permitted density and with the grant to concessions and incentives. It is important to note that waivers or reductions of development standards do not count as an incentive or concessions. And there is no limit on the number of development standard waivers that may be requested or granted. According to the applicant, the applicant is requesting seven development waivers, which include reducing the front setback, side yard setbacks, rear yard setbacks, distance between the dwelling and monument wall sign setbacks, lot coverage and on site open space per unit. As you can see in the one column it provides the required minimum setbacks and the proposed reduced waivers for reduction is provided. The project is eligible to receive assistance in a form of reduced parking ratios when any residential project includes at least 5% affordable units per state that's the bonus law. Because the project provides 11% affordable units, the city can now require a vehicle parking ratio, inclusive of parking for persons with disability and guests of development that exceeds the ratio as shown. Based on the state's parking ratio, the maximum of 52 parking spaces require. Whereas the project exceeds the state's requirement by providing a total of 64 parking spaces. And those 64 parking spaces are allocated for 50 garage spaces, nine driveway parking spaces, and five off street parking spaces for guests. The proposed project has been review pursuant to the California environment of quality at, also known as CEQA, and the requirement of the city and has been deemed exempt from further CEQA analysis under the categorical exemption of class 32. Class 32 is known as infill development project exemption. The exemption list under section 153-002 do not apply as discussed further in the category exemption reported included as attachment for of the staff report. The project site itself is less than five acres and it has no value as a habitat for endangered species, rare or threatened species. Further, the proposed development of the condominium will not result in any significant negative effects related to traffic, noise, air quality, or water quality. And can be adequately served by all require utilities and public services. Finally, the project analysis. Multiunit residential development is a permitted use per zoning code. With the density bonus and request of concessions and waivers, the project is consistent with relevant development standards contained in the city's municipal code. The project does not exceed the maximum height of 35 feet and the 64 parking spaces provided exceeds the city's and the state's required requirements. The proposed development provides a diverse housing opportunity in the city and it would assist in identifying different level of housing types as identified in housing element. The proposed housing development is in compliance with the objective design standards as well of the general plan and zoning ordinance. Therefore, staff recommends that the mayor and the City Council approve planning case 2023-0818. This concludes my presentation and I can answer any questions. Additionally, the applicant is in the audience and they can provide additional answers specifically related to the project. Thank you. At this time I would like to open up for Mayor's and see Council question for staff. Mr. Mayor, may I ask? Yes, please. Okay, is the applicant here? Yes. Can I ask you guys a question? Can you please step to the podium? My name is Angela Meyer and I'm with Brandy Wine Homes. Okay. Hi Angela. Thank you for being here. The layout is very beautiful. I do like it. It's very modernized and it's good, you know, for our community, it looks good. I love the fact that you have more garage to space for people to park, that's great because that's an issue we have in O City and I appreciate that. Now, I guess my question is, you say there's two units for very, very low income, right? And is it only two bedroom and one bath, right? Or is it more option? Can I jump in real quickly? I think the proper process here would be to have the applicant open it up, have the applicant make their presentation. And then if the council has questions about it, that way they get a chance to basically explain their project. I think it'll answer a lot of the questions. Thank you. All right, thank you. May I ask you a question? Can you speak? May I ask you a question? May I ask you a question? Yes. If you want to, do you have a presentation that you're going to present? She can move and you can. Thank you. We start over. Good evening, council members and Mayor. Okay. My name is Angela Meyer. I'm with Brandywine Homes. Brandywine appreciates staff support and that we've been able to bring this community to Westminster. We appreciate the opportunity. So Brandywine Holmes has been around for 30 years and we have built over 93 communities in Southern California. Our specialty is infill communities. That means we are redeveloping areas that had no longer any use or was aged. These are two of our communities in Artesian, Maverne. This is the subject site, obviously. Oops. And this is the front perspective elevation. So it has more of a Spanish feel to it. And we show here on this site plan the amenities staff went over but we plan to have a really beautiful community with trees along the front edge of the street. And obviously some new development in an aged area that's underutilized. Some of the benefits of the community, obviously adding a new community with new homes, the 25 homes with two, three, and four bedrooms, two cargarages for each unit, 15 guest parking spaces, private patios and rear yards for 21 units, common open space with trellis, barbecue, picnic, benches, and beautiful landscape. Two very low income affordable units and those are the two bedroom units. And we're paying 318,000 in development impact fees that will help the city's coffers and helping to fill the city's housing needs. And I'm available if you have any further questions. Okay, so I guess you answer that. I appreciate it. So I guess we just got this document just before we walk onto the council. Do you know why we get it so late of the slideshow and the presentation? I'm sorry. We had sent it to the city earlier and it just wasn't received. It wasn't noticed in the e-mail so we apologize for that. We did send it. It was part of the City Council or the Planning Commission as well. Okay, so you sent it to us a while ago, right? Well, we sent it. We requested. We sent it on Friday. Okay. Okay, And City is it there was a difficulty for us to get this slide show on the agenda attached to the agenda until right now? So the slide shows and presentations are generally not part of your staff report packet. So we usually just provide out the dius when they receive it when it's presented. It's actually not a part of your staff report. So it would never be included as an attachment, so you would just get it at the dias. It's to help you follow along the presentation that's actually being shown. I know, but I notice on the agenda, we don't even have the layout of the, apart, you know, your condos. So it's like we didn't know what to look at. It's only just what was on here. There's a part of the attachments that were in the agenda. So you have to click on the links to get to all the plans. So it was not on our agenda item. Councillor Wiesen attached. Councillor Minfia on West to answer your question. The attachments was a total of 2,000 pages. So due to the volume and we added a piece of memo behind your staff report my office did when we published and put it in your packets advising you that due to the volume the attachments would be available online and to contact my office if you had any questions or needed anything further on that but due to the volume of it it was not included. I understand it's you know a lot of pages but the thing is that this is only three pages. I mean, I would appreciate to have something where we can see the model for future. Sure. This is so. So the presentation piece just for clarity, that is not one of the attachments. So that was not a part of that volume. That my staff did not print. Those were always going to be provided to you tonight. So in that 2000 pages or whatsoever, you guys didn't even have the picture of the housing. Do you guys didn't have that? So the attachments, this page, at least to something for us to look at. So if you would have clicked onto the link that is within the agenda, the staff report that's online includes the planning commissions report which does have all of this data that you're looking for. It also included the environmental report which is why it was also 2000 pages. But when that was sent out on Saturday if you would have clicked on the link, you would actually see all of the attachments that you don't have printed. Yeah, and I think you give us the paper document that we always write on, and on this we don't have it. So for those who like not going online but physical paper to write, I think for future Mr. Mayor, there's just something that we can look at. You know, I think it's great. Okay, but I think they get what you said there. Thank you. That's all I'm asking. I would appreciate that. Thank you. Anything else from Koso. Go ahead. I'm good. May I? Okay. Yes, thank you staff for the report. And thank you, staff, for the report. And thank you. Thank you for building in our city. I really appreciate that. Well, I was looking or following your presentation there. I just want to know, how did you come up with, now this part I really don't know. So I'm sincerely asking, how did you come up with, now this part I really don't know, so I'm sincerely asking, how do you come up with seven waivers? Is there a sliding scale for that? How many waivers, or is it seven waivers or a zero waivers? So the state law has been updating and currently it's unlimited waivers. Oh wow. Unlimited? Unlimited, Louis. What does that include the height limit? If the applicant requested, yes, it would be. But the applicant is not requesting for higher than 35 feet. They will maintain at 35 feet. It's just that it won't be a two story. There's a building that's going to be three story. Okay, so now my question is on the stories. Okay, so that would be. The stories 35 feet. I know some buildings are 35 feet tall and some are 30, correct? I'm sorry, yes. Most of the buildings are 30. Right. So did you know that you could have a very, ask were, a variance on that. I was just thinking because, you know, 35 feet and then one of the buildings is three stories, right? So I was just thinking like an extra five feet for an additional story. That's makes the ceiling, or the height of the ceiling, probably around seven or eight on the one that is 35 foot tall building in three stories. Does that have to do with the grade or the roof, the pitch or the roof? One being it can be a two-twelve or you know what I mean, to get that height difference. I believe that there was a lot of negotiation early on that I was not party to, maybe. Because if I were developing I would be asking for height variance and especially when you telling me that it's unlimited or it is now, but maybe it was limited then. Yes, so my name is Taylor Astrand and we're working hand in hand with brandy wine homes. So thank you guys for letting me address you. To answer your question, the 35 foot high requirement is on the four units. It's kind of a three-story pop-up, the ceiling plate. Oh, I see. It just pop up at the end. Yeah, in the 35 feet. So when we talk about unlimited waivers, this is actually not a waiver. It's were allowed because we're giving two very low income affordable units. We're allowed one concession and that height requirement is a concession. That's a difference between a concession and a variance. Wavres are more development standards that inhibit setbacks and trash enclosures. But concessions are actual building types and things that might affect actually the overall development of the project. My question is to staff is that concessions, is that by state? Is that controlled by the state or by our city ordinance? Concessions and concessions are done through a formula by the state. Okay, so that's also done by state, got it? Yeah, I mean it's a beautiful project so I was just wondering. Other than that, I don't have any other questions. Thank you. Question of amendment zone. Thank you Mayor. The tailor and the figure you're sorry. I forgive you. Thank you for being here and having your presentation. Thank you for your detailed presentation. You hit every point. Just not really a question but a comment, you know, I know the state gives it kind of do away with parking requirements, but the reality is that, you know, parking if you're going to own a house, you're going to be parking and I'm glad that you exceeded the parking requirements because that would be a big selling feature for your potential owners to have some more to park. I just had a question about the count of the nine parking spaces on the driveways. How do you come up to that calculation? Isn't there more than nine driveways? You have 25 driveways? There are only nine driveways. Oh, they are. You can get the site plan. Yeah, you can see the one on the left side or driveways. Oh, there are. You can see the one on the left side or driveways and the ones on the right. Okay, I may have missed that one. I missed that one when I did find them on the planning commission when I clicked on, went online on Sunday. So I missed that one. Thank you again for bringing this development to our community. So thank you. Well, thank you again for bringing this development to our community. We welcome you. Thank you. Can you hold on? I can't remember when. You have anything? Okay. Bye. I just have a quick question for staff. This is just for myself, my knowledge alone. I was just wondering, I thought that our ordinances that the height could be, we changed it from 35 feet to 50 feet. I could be totally wrong, but I'm- I think you may be confused with mixed shoes. That's right, mixed shoes is 50. Didn't we change it from 35 to 50 for mixed shoes? I believe they are the fire. Yes. God, I thank you so much. Thank you, I don't have anything. Thank you very much. Thank you. I don't have anything. Thank you very much for here. Right now I would like to open up for public comments. Our first speaker is Ryan Lamb, followed by Jody Boyd. Hello. I'm Ryan. I'm a resident of Westminster. I had a question about, I mean you guys addressed it previously, but the 35 foot height limit. It's the towers over other buildings nearby and I understand that those 35 foot buildings are your low income buildings and that's probably going to lead towards your, what is it? Your allowances to do other things, but I'm okay with that. 35, 35 foot, I'm fine with it. My question I have for the city is that are you going to be able to hold your contractors to building this cleanly, essentially? During, I mean, I run civil grading operations and I understand that there's a lot of dust, a lot of noise, a lot of debris that happens, a lot of track out all those things. And from working with other cities, their city inspectors have been always been on me in order to make sure the jobs that are always clean, making sure the communities around us aren't getting dust on their cars at the end of the day. I just want to make sure that you guys are going to be able to keep these contractors and developers accountable when it comes to keeping our air clean. And then my second question is also for the developer is, I'm not sure if you guys know, but on Golden West we have a flooding issue occasionally between Golden West and Trask. It floods there all the time. On re- and through your plans, it seems like you guys have a modular wetland system and that makes perfect sense for the area that you're in. But the contingency is that there's going to be a parkway drain in case there's any overflows that will overflow onto golden west. Will that cause additional flooding that's going to happen? And is there something we can get in front of if it does happen so maybe just something to look into a little bit more. Thank you that's all there happen. Our next speaker is Jody Boyd followed by our final speaker Terry Reigns. Judy bought this stuff here. Last call for Jody. Okay. Terry rings. Good evening. It looks like a beautiful project. And this is the kind of progress that we as a city need to make. My only questions are concerns. I'm so happy, you know, we got garages. We've got extra parking. I did. Maybe I'm. I we got garages, we've got extra parking. I did, maybe I didn't study it. I clicked on a lot of the links though, but so where that hammer is, there's no even emergency exits other than the main entrance and exit, so there's not a secondary fire department, and I'm sure they've looked at it because I didn't get that far, but just because if there's not a secondary fire department and I'm sure they've looked at it because I didn't get that far but just Because you know if there's fire and you're in the back one of the back units a lot of times the development will have a a pop out gate or Emergency that only the fire department can utilize or law enforcement to open that and get out onto the street I don't know how that fits into this, but I'm sure I know the fire department had to have reviewed the impact, so I would assume if there's a problem they'd mention it, but that was the only thing I noticed. And then I'm gonna harp on the same thing. I've been harping on for five years. We, as a city, I think Costa Mesa just did there as a fire, I think Costa Mesa just did theirs if I remember right, but I've been harping on doing an inclusive housing ordinance so that we can incentivize developers to not just give us the bare minimum to get their waivers and their concessions and everything but the state law. But that we can motivate them to actually put in more affordable and I mean truly affordable, because 50,000 dollars is great. And for a purchase, this makes sense, but for rentals, I think we could better incentivize these developers to give us truly affordable housing with a city ordinance in addition to the state law. They get a lot of concessions and all that, but we as a city, what do we get? We get two units that are 50,000 income. So that's just something I bring up and every time there's public hearing, every time that there's something about development because I don't know why this city has been so resistant to doing that long before these state laws actually passed. I've been harping about it. So anyway, that's it. Thank you so much. Mayor, we have no further speakers. Yes, the attorney. Yes, before you close the public hearing, the normal process would be to allow the applicant an opportunity to respond to some of the comments that were made if they want to. Yes, thank you again. To answer your, that's a list questions, we have conditions of approval that have been presented to city and we have agreed to them. It does allow that we have to be enforced to make sure that we're here. I'm trying to talk into the microphone. There's no dust and everything we're doing in our power to make this the safest, quickest, least noisiest type of development that we can possibly do. And by achieving that, as you guys put together, conditions of approval, which we've approved. And I will say that city staff has worked extremely hard because we've been in this process for a long time. And Sandy is doing an amazing job, so thank you so much, Sandy. And to answer, shoot. You had a question. Drainage? If there's an emergency exit to buy or they can order, just change it. Yes, so I don't believe we have that, but this has been studied by every department numerous times. So everything that we're doing is by the book and it's by the code and per code and As far as the drainage issue is there was we did have to do that little Drainage thing to make sure that it was raining properly, but again that was also studied by our engineers by Syphils and by city and everything seem to be up to par so Thank you All right. If there's an additional question, I guess that the closing of the hearing you can you can pull it outside and I continue the conversation at this time. I will let the close for public comments. And this is time for Mayor Zincalso action. So I will let you introduce. If there is a motion on this. Mayor. Yes. Thank you. Doffo, can you address some of the concerns from the one speaker about the flooding along? I think you mentioned go the western track was in track that flooding that was really bad at one time but that whole track was totally read down for the the flooding issue was a night that's correct there have been some improvements to that area and I'd like to see if our public workstractor come and talk about the improvements on the south side of trascade. Correct. Correct. Correct. So that was done a few years back to address all that flooding. Thank you. Yes. So we do monitor that corner of trascade and go to west. We do have some minor flooding, but it actually on the service flow, it actually the catch basin on the south side of that in the section we're taking the water. We'll continue to monitor it because we improved the section south of Trass a couple of years ago. The more you put it, as far and concrete, that's greater and more water. So we're looking to do that one and have plan for improvement. In regard to the developments, yes, we will work with the developers to look at their grading plans as well as the water quality management plans and make sure that whatever the contribution to the street flooding would be taken care of by the developer. And the other question is far as a concern during construction. We implement the SWEPs program during construction? I'm answering on behalf of the building but the magnitude of this type of project absolutely this would be going to be part of the plans. In our, in our, make sure our building officials build in inspectors. Look at that one there out visiting the site. Absolutely. Our building, our building official on the inspection team will be visiting the site as often as necessary. Okay. We'll have mud plates. Mud plates before you go on to go the worst. Mud plates license traffic control plans of necessary to close roadways as needed. All of that will be taken into account. As well as any impacts to pedestrians or bicyclists that are traveling along the construction route. All right. Thank you. That's part of our NPDS program. We always have that in place. You know, for the construction. That's how the construction. All right. Thank you. Intertina and motion to approve. My second. Okay. Motion and second on the floor. We'll cover. Thank you. I have a motion made by Councillor Marlmanzo, seconded by advice Mayor Ho. This is to adopt a resolution entitled a resolution of the Mayor and City Council of the City of Westminster, California, approving case number 2023-0818 pertaining to a development review, affordable housing, density, bonus, investing, tentative track map for the development of 254 sale residential condominium units, including 23 market rate units and two very low income units. Located on parcel 1 of lot line adjustment, LL 2023-0804, APN number 096-041-30 and 096-041-31. Previously addressed as 1352 Golden West Street, Westminster, California, 92683. I'll go to call roll. Councilwoman Fan West. Before I answer, I just want to say,. Councilwoman Fan West. Before I answer, I just want to say, cast my vote. I want to say, Brandy Wine. Thank you so much for answering all the questions. Great presentation, great model of the new housing you'll be putting in. And answering the question of those concerns, residents. So thank you, good luck on this project. And I look forward to see the end result. Thank you. My vote is yes. Thank you. My vote is yes. Thank you. Councillor Member Monzao? Yes. Councillor Member Wynne? Yes. Vice Mayor Ho? Yes. Mayor Wynne? Yes. Emotion carried 50. Okay. Congratulations on that. Now before I move into rural business, before we move into rural business, I want to state it that as the power vested in me by the voters that I'm a mayor, presiding at the city council meeting, I know how important the end and we can't take care of our persons effectively. So with that I like to I'm sorry that I have to do the second time but at this time I would like to recess from the open section and move into the closed section item to continue with the item that we have under agenda. Since we have all the council now because I believe that maybe they were busy at the beginning, but now with all the councils at the dias, I'd like to go ahead and take the recess for closed section item. We'll come back later. The The term now is 8.57. I would like to reopen the session and we put out the closed session. So, group call please. Mayor Wynne. I'm here. Vice Mayor Hope. Here. Councilwoman Fen west. Councillor Womens. Councillor Wolvin. Mary of a quorum with Councillor Womens absent. Alright. See that, Trinity. Would you please report out the closed session? We were unable to have a discussion in closed session for lack of a quorum. Councillor Womens west and Councillor Merva of a quorum absent Councilwoman West and councilmember Wynn absent. All right, thank you. So at this time I would like to move on with five regular business, 5.1. Continue from August, from the August 14, 2024 regular city council meeting. Award of contract from the mandate's Historic Trial and Green Street Bikeway Project, Mandays Freedom Trial Projects, P249. Motion to approve. Second. Okay. We have motion and second on the floor. I have a motion made by Councillor Marzo, seconded by Councillor Wynn. This is to approve a transfer from the gas tax account 5505 to a newly created CIP project to count number 55036-362502. Mendes historic trail and green street bikeway construction in the amount of $647,109 in 83 cents and approve the award of contract to the lowest and responsible bidder in the amount of $8,199,515 to cost a construction incorporation and that all other bids be rejected and authorize the temperate contingency in the amount of 819,951 dollars and 50 cents for potential change orders and authorize the city manager to execute the contract on behalf of the city I'll go to call roll. I have a question, Mr. Mayor. Yes, we got it. Okay. Thank you So I guess you know how in the past you guys did give us a couple of the bids I know you said that they are the most responsible one for the Mendes Where are the other bits do we don't need to? See what they propose, but just other bids because You know transparency we always mention was there on page two council to Vote on your own page two and I think it's important We always mention with the council to vote on. Your own page too. And I think it's important, I know. But we need the contract of what they propose. Because staff recommend that we should approve the contract to K-A-S-A. But the other three, the other two's here, but we don't, we don't want, we want to see more because we only see the contract of the CASA construction here. Where's the other two? So we as council elected official can, may I finish Mr. Monso? Yes. I'm talking. Thank you. So what I'm saying is that it's important for us to see the other contracts so we can compare apples to apples because the thing is that we're elected by the people to make sure we vote accordingly. Even though staff recommend this, but it's important for us as a council to, in a way, look at the item that you guys were talking about and assess. Isn't that fair? Yes, may I attempt to answer the questions? Based on the public contract code that we do have, we call it a schedule of base bid items. And every contractor bidding the same thing. And by the state law that if they are deemed to be the lowest and we also verify if they are also responsible bidders, we have to award to them. Every contractor going to have bid the same items. Their number is going to be variance, but at the end of total numbers whoever the lowest one will win a bid. Does it make sense? So the scheduled part of the report is pretty much the same. So the other bills have different numbers. They are higher numbers. So the totals shows on the page 2 of the report. If you look at the number 1 is cast of constructions. Number 2 is sequel contractor. They are higher. There's 8,763,000 and number three is Los Angeles engineering, they are $9.9 million. Right, I understand that, but what I'm saying is comparing their contract, because every contract will be a little different in their statement, right? We only see the cause of a contract and it's very important for us as council. I mean, just give us things that we can compare Apple to Apple. That's all we're saying. So we can make the best decision for the people that vote in. If it's possible and if it's reasonable, that's all I'm asking. So if I can add a few things. So as engineers, our staff put together a bid sheet and everybody essentially pencils in their bid for each item. So our engineers as professionals are tasked with looking at all of the information that's written. So there's a number 10 is written and then the word 10 is written so that there's no confusion. And our engineers are experts at making sure that they compare every single bid entry and they do this very meticulously to arrive to the totals that are presented in the page. Once the staff has determined that they are going to recommend a bid, then that one contractor is presented with a contract. All of the contractors are not presented with contracts because we're not hiring all of that. Right, I understand that. Let me give you an example. I feel like we're not on the same page. What I'm saying is it's reasonable. Like the RFI number one, right? The question is does this project have a geotechnologist soil report? You know, like this one same no. But all we're asking is, this is a reasonable, right? If they can tell us all the question that you're asked of three recipient, the same question. I mean, is it not reasonable to just have this copy so we can see in compare and contracts, contracts in the future for other bids? So the request for information- Can I listen to staff, Mr. Mayor? Can you- Mr. Mayor, can you order please? Yes. Aror. She's. So the request for information, the RFI, those are the process that's when a contractor, any contractor, asking the city staff for verification before they submit the final bits, we respond to those RFI to everybody, to all the contractor. The main thing is make sure we want the contractor, bit, apple to apple. It's comparable bit. I understand, but what I'm saying with the RFI for three of those bits, right? They might have different answer. You guys, whatever might be, you know, the RFI is the- Do you require- It is required to only have a bravo sign for the- I will. So then would they answer differently? Can I jump in? Yes. Can I jump in the attorney? I think what's really important to understand here is we have- When we're bidding out things things there's different kinds of contracts Okay, there's situations where we're hiring planners or things that are more discretionary Where you you the quality of one person might vary they might actually cost more but you they're better and we're gonna go with that When it comes to public works though when we're talking about public works projects, state law significantly restricts what we have to do. They require mandate that we go with the lowest responsible bidder. So, and that's all defined under state law. So this is whenever we're doing street work or any of the kind of work at a park or whatever it might be. These are considered public works. And so a public works contract has to be bid very specifically. We have a closing date and they all get the same question. You know, basically so the bids are all equal. And I understand that. I understand that. I understand that. I'll get the lowest. Would you please allow him to complete first? Oh yes, go ahead. Yeah, so what I'm trying to say here is that we can, you know, the bids could be included in the packet, certainly. But the truth of the matter is that we're not able to say adjust it and go with the next one based on a response. Unless we were to find the lowest bidder to be non-responsible or non-responsive like they didn't answer one of the questions or based on prior significant evidence in the record that they're a non-responsible type of company like based on the fact that maybe they did something in another city. So and there's a real burden on that so we have to go with that lowest bid and it's a very specific process that we're following. So I just want to make sure that you understood that. Mr. City Attorney, I understand that by law we have to go with the lowest bid. I understand that. That's why I say is it possible for us to look, it just shows trends. Can May I finish and stop? Why don't you continue to continue to talk? Okay, thank you. Can you continue to talk? I can hear you. Everybody can hear you. I'm getting distracted. Please go ahead. Activist. Go ahead and have a talk. Mr. Mayor, please run your meeting. When you stop, stop them too. Run orderly. Come on. Mr. Mayor. Okay, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Okay, so I'm saying if it's possible that we as council just look like what City Attorney said, it's okay to put it in. So we can see it, like for example, these questions or whatever might be from those three bitters. So we can look at it, but we know the rule that we have to go with the lowest bitters. It shows the trust within the city and the staff and the bidding and the community. And it shows us as well that we're doing our best to make the good decision with evidence, with which shown transparency. That's all I'm asking. Councillor Moly. Okay. Councillor Moly. Councillor Moly. I'm not sure if that's what staff is telling us to pay. Please, let my turn. I know that you have a amount of time that you can present about this item. And I know that the councilman will want to talk about this item. And I know that Council Member Mouin want to talk about this item too. So he's trying to jump in and I have to stop him a number of times. What I would like to ask if you can refame your question so that we can go the first round and I will come back to you. I promise I will come back to you. It's fine, but Mr. Mayor, the thing is that what I'm saying is I understand. I feel like none of you is understanding what I'm asking. I understand. It's just right now, can you refrain? I ask you to refrain your question and comment so that I can go around. Not a problem, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Yes. Thank you. I got some member menso. I mean, customer member win raise raise. I remember when we received the request. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I remember a long time ago we encountered the same situation like this. When I specifically asked you guys to include every single bit on the report, so I I gotta understand why a cast of women's West asked such questions. I don't know what, you know, how you guys back. Or if we specifically request to see those bits, can we? Yeah, as a cast of members. Legalist? Yes. those bits, can we? That's interesting. Yeah, as a council member. Legal? Yes. I mean, as soon as the recommendation is made, or the award is made, those become public. It's really just an issue of, in this case there's three, there might be ten. You know, there could be a lot. It all depends on how many bid, but yes, they become public after the bid is open and it's determined that that's the one that we're gonna be recommending. And if I can add it to it. Thank you, thank you. If I can add, it's actually very common for the other companies that bid to request all of the information. And then they compare it themselves, they make sure our math is right. They learn from the other bids. So it is public and it's presented to whoever asks for it. Before I continue with that next council member, I believe that you have something you want to say. All I was going to say is if it's not general practice in a situation like this, the last bid that we were talking about last year, which was billboards, was not a public works contract, so it was a little bit different. There was some discretion there. This in particular, generally you don't have all of the bids attached to it. You just have the one that you're being presented. But if it's the direction of the council that you want to move forward with these types of public contract bids to attach the bids that were received then that's absolutely doable. But it just would need to be the direction of the council as part of your motion or something. But it would be for every public contract, or contract that's this type of public works contract. So we can understand that. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Anything else from? I would not need to see the contracts. Public works contracts are very clear. Well, it's very simple. So yeah. In general, it's your choice. But as you know, the item come up then we can vote Whichever way you want to Yes, I have a question. I know this is from well I learned this a long time ago And I don't know if I just want to clarify When is it that it's not legal for us to expose the other companies? When is it? I know it may not be public works, but what kind of contract is it that when after bidding it's not kosher or not legal for us to expose the abitters? Which kind of type of contract's that? I don't know if you have any questions. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. evaluation process is going on, those are protected. Because you want to give the council a fair opportunity to review them and to properly analyze them. Once the recommendation is made, we're gonna go with this one, then they're not. That's typically how it goes. There might be stuff within the bid though that would be protected such as trade secrets or financial information. I'm not asking for that. So it's not the, I'm trying to clarify, it has nothing to do. It's the non-public work type of contracts. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. I just want to make sure that we're, I mean, thank you for trying to explain that, but it's not your, I mean, hate to say this, but it's not, you can explain it for us, but you can understand it for us. And I'm trying to just make sure that we're on the same schedule, same page that all the bitters are bidding off of what here, the schedule of base bid items, right? And each, under each one of those line items, there's a number from this particular contractor. And at the end of the day when you add up all the math, you come up to a number, and this particular case, cost of is 8.1995. So at the end of the page is after they sit there and item might each line, and then they add it up, they come to a total and every single company that bids off the same page, bids off the same line item. If there's a question from one bidder, or if I find the whole bidding, all the contractors who are bidding on it get to see the same question and the same answer. So everybody, there's no hidden questions, there's no hidden answers. Everybody's on the same page. That's what I'm saying. Your job is to present us with the top three. And by stay law, we have to- Okay, we have one meeting please. The stay law, we have to go with the laws more concentrated. I ask that. Please refrain from discussion. And then you want to, you can always- I wish possible. And then after that, the other pages are on this report is a Rick references from that particular contract, correct? That's correct. So there is no hearings. Secrets. from that particular contractor, correct? That's correct. So there is no hitting secrets. There's no hitting answers. Everything's out in the open. And we're presented with everything out in the open for us to review. So I just want to make sure that we're not trying to create or some sort of, you know, or staff is doing something wrong or anything like that. So it's all right here for us to review. Okay, thank you. I'd like to go for a second round. Do you want to say anything? Oh, do you want to say anything? Mr. Mayor, do you want to say anything before we go a second round? Well, if I wanted to say something, I already said that. But if I recognize you, it's your turn. Go ahead and do it. Absolutely. I was just being considerate. That's okay. Don't worry. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Okay, so what we're talking about, yes, in the past, you know I brought this up before. It's been 18 months that I've been on the council. It's not about we underestimating your guys' judgment and suggestion to the council, okay, for us, we want to do diligent because it's our job when the people elected us is to do compare Apple to Apple. So we can say to our resident, actually, yeah, staff did give me that, you know, questionnaire from all three or all five. And I look at it, yes, and I made this decision and I vote because some residents would say, why would you vote for this? You know what other contract? You know what do they bid? But like what I'm saying I want to address to you guys. We're not asking for something business secret because that's I would not give my secret business secret to anyone, right? We're not asking about that. Those are close information. We're not, we know better but I don't know why Council vice mayor Kim, Kimberly Ho, asked that, as if we don't know that. And then also another thing with Mr. Mendo, as is we don't understand, it's like the things that is about transparency and trust. And about accountability of us as elected official by the people and for the people that we actually shown and we're doing our job. And then only that the public can see it too. And if you don't wanna see it, and you just wanna believe everything, then that's one few months. Councilmember, I mean, Councilmember West, I believe that we give you the time so you can stay state your points. But if you are repeating, I believe when they recognize your address. No, I did address. And they actually address the city managers already addressed that. That we are going to, if you want to, you can always Agendaize an item so we can go next. If you are repeating this. I'm addressing Carlos Carlos Monzo and Kimberly No, no, I just address them the same thing that you are going over so Mr. Mayor did I just address Kimberly and Monzo if I hear it? I don't if I don't hear it differently then I have to stop you then let him replay it if you want I just that's why they respond right now go ahead and continue. Okay. Thank you mr. Mayor So I'm not asking the quenched same thing. I'm just answering them. Okay, so What I'm saying is Of course we can as a majority of the council but we did that last time that we want and you guys agree staff agree that you put it in Just not the business. You are repeating yourself. The staff already told you that we can optimize that item. Mr. Mayor, that's different. I am sorry. OK, we have to move on. Something different. It should be already on. Different bits. OK, Jake. Council member went. Go ahead. Let's all mask. So OK, I believe that we already talk about this and I expect the staff or if you guys need the customer's instruction to do that. Okay, I willing to make a motion right now to have the on the bit, you know, to be included in the report. So I would just like to clarify, like what Christians said earlier and I'll defer to Chris. Because this is a public record, right? Yeah, you say the public record can be shown. This isn't, we talked about this in the context of a request for proposal and with request for proposals, proposals are submitted. That's the conversation that we had on one item. This is a public works bid. It's different than an RFP. I just want to make that distinction. So we're talking about two different types of contracts. I understand that. I'm talking about this situation, right? Thank you. All right. So if there is, I will introduce, if there's a motion on the floor. We will have a motion in a second. And I second him. I just want to make it transparency for people to see. Yeah, me and I second it. What motion again, please? Mayor, if I can just clarify for the record. For 5.1 we already have a motion on the table. Motion moved by Councillor Munzo, seconded by Councillor Winn, which is to approve the recommendation as read in to the record prior. This is for the Mendez Freedom Trail project, P2499. I'm happy to reread that full recommendation, but I already have that motion on the floor. Okay. So, it'll be. Call for the vote, please. But would it be a substitute to what staff recommended that we can vote as if you want to make a substitute motion then go ahead. Can I ask for a amendment? So we included that into the motion. Yeah, that would do the motion. Okay, can you, what do you want to include into the motion. Okay. What do you want to include into the motion? So, in the future, on the pitch, going to be included into the staff report. Yeah, we're, as we're able to, as we're able to. Yeah, exactly, exactly, legally. Yeah, if, you know, we can do that. Yeah, legally. Yeah. With that, then we don't have to do it for another month. No, just a minute. Is that okay? That would be fine. Providing direction to staff. Does the maker of the motion agree to the amendment? I don't agree with that current process is fine. If you want to add it, you can put it on our agenda. We can put it online and we can click on it and read it. Why are we going to waste another hour? We can simply do it. What I'm hearing is that the second of the motion refused to agree with the first motion. So the maker of the motion is refusing the amendment made by the second term of the motion. So can I second Mr. Mayor? In that case can I make a substitute motion? Okay, go ahead. Yes, I'm going to make a substitute motion to include those bits into the staff report. I have a quick question. There is a motion. I don't understand. I don't understand. I want clarity. Mr. City Attorney, you said that the mayor okay was adding a minute but then the second didn't agree to it. No correct. They would both need to agree. But can one of the council agree with the mayor? I'm sorry if I can just correct because I think can we agree with the mayor? No, no, no. I am not agreeing anything until my vote. Okay. So right now the motion and the floor. The motion maker did not agree with the second one. We have to resolve that. We can repeat this again if we need to. Why don't we go ahead and make the motion? Let me have a moment. I made a motion. I made a motion. Quick question for staff. If we do what Council Member Winn is requesting, is that how much of added work is that simple to do, just to include the other copies on here? I mean, it's hard to say it's more, it's obviously more paper, more scans, it's some bits, you get one or two bits, others you get like ten. So it really, it is, I mean it's always going to generate more work. So it's a simple approach would be if the council is okay with us providing them with the bit comparison sheet, which means that we take the bit schedules and we enter them into one spreadsheet. You know what? At least you can ask for it. At least you can go to it. I'm okay with that. It's much work, just make copies of it. Let him answer it. So when our engineers do their job and they put all of the data into a spreadsheet, that is a standalone spreadsheet that's already generated and that isn't a lot of paper. So that is a fair approach, Jake, would you agree with that? Absolutely. So typically, when we receive all the bit, we call it bit comparisons. I mean, we list all received bits and that will show everybody numbers on it. So everybody, you know, bit Apple to Apple and you will see that. So instead of every single bit packages, which is very long and thick, we just give you that comparison, and that will take care of your schedule. Okay, with that. So you can do that, and then you can just show, like you only need to see one schedule, bid schedule, right? Yeah, we have. Because they're all bidding off the same schedule. Correct. Yes, so just show one bid schedule, and then come in the A, B, C, that number. I'm asking the council to follow when you are recognized. Please let the other council finish so we can move the business along. Right now the motion is finished. The second motion will be your turn. So if it's not putting the staff out that much, then yeah, I'm fine with it. Just do it. Okay. So are you agree with it? Okay. I'm second. Okay. If you want me to. Okay. I'm second. Okay. And so the motion, the primary motion is amended and so are you going to withdraw your substitute motion? Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay. So there's a motion on the floor. Okay. I have a motion made by Councillor Übermanzo. It's like my Councillor Überman-Win. This is the amended motion for staff recommendation and then also to direct staff to include the bid schedule with all the bidders included in the staff report. I'll go to call roll. Councillor Minfan West. Fen West yes. Councillor Monzo. Yes. Councillor Wilden. Yes. Vice Mayor Ho. Yes. Mayor Wilden. Motion carried 50. 5.2 continue from the August 14, 2024 regular c council meeting. A word of contract for the Magnolia street improvements projects from integer avenue to I have a new to how I have a new project plan number 2566. Move the proof second. I have a motion made by Mayor Wynn second made by Councillor Monzo. This is to approve a budget allocation from fund 214 street improvements in the amount of $330,000 to cover the city of Fountain Valley's portion per cooperative agreement. 2020-309 and created a new CIP account number 55037-372500, Magnolia Street Improvements, Cooper Agreement FB, and increased the revenue account in street improvement grants find reimburse other for fiscal year 2425 by $330,000 and approve the award of contract to the lowest and responsible bidder in the amount of $1,296,853 to all American asphalt and that all other bids be rejected. And authorize the 10% contingency in the amount of $129,685 and 30 cents for potential change orders. And authorize the city manager to execute the contract on behalf of the city in a form approved by the city attorney. I'll go to call roll. Councilman Fian West. Fian West yes. Council member Bonzo. Yes. Council member Wynne. Yes. Vice Mayor Hoh. Yes. Mayor Wynne. Yes. Councillor Wilden. Yes. Vice Mayor Hoh. Yes. Mayor Winn. Yes. Motion carried 50. 5.3 continue from the August 14, 2024 regular city council meeting. Award of contract for the playground renovation project for tolling land park. Project number P, that's-2605 motion to approve second Okay I've been motion made by councilmember Monzo psyched my council member new in This is to approve a budget adjustment from the park dedication fund balance fund 200 to a newly created CIP project Account number 7 6 502-7 6 2 5, Tony Lam Park, playground renovation, and the amount of $142,210.00. And approve the award of contract to the lowest responsible bidder in the amount of $294,824 to our E-shult construction and incorporation and that all other bids be rejected. And authorize a 10% contingency in the amount of $29,482.40 for potential change orders. And authorize the city manager to execute the contract on behalf of the city in a form approved by the city attorney. I'll go to call roll. Councilwoman Fenwed. Fenwedess. Yes. Councilmember Monzo. Yes. Councilmember Wynne. Yes. Vice Mayor Hell? Yes. Mayor Winn? Yes. Motion carried 5-0. 5.4 continue from the August 14, 2020, the 4th regularity of the council meeting. Business license administration and application process update. Stop with the police. Good evening, Mayor. Council members. My name is Adolfo Zeta, the assistant city manager. Tonight I'm here joined by Ryan Salz, senior management analyst. One of our consultants, his name is Ian Davis, HDL compliance manager. The update we're providing you with an update tonight is part of item 5.4 for business license administration and application process. We have a presentation we'd like to share with you. First of all, I'd like to point out that HDL has actually been a consultant for the city in the past, assisting our finance department with other tax related activities. They actually on October 14, 2020, the City Council approved the contract for HDL business license administration where we would bring them on to help modernize some of the activities in the community development department related to business license. HDL partners, the name of the firm has over 700 governmental agencies across the US. And this is the business that they're in. They've recovered over $3 billion in revenue for clients over the 40 year history of their firm. Many cities have embraced technology, and we've heard loud and clear from this council that we need to move forward modernizing our day to day activities. In addition to us having HDL as part of our consultant team, eight other Orange County cities including Fountain Valley, utilize HDL's business license services. They began administration of our business license services on April 12th. Again, our goal tonight is to provide a little bit of clarity on the process. There have been questions and concerns that we've received and that we've noticed. This launch took place prior to this current administration. So one of our directions from our city manager when she took over was to really revisit all of the technologies that had been recently implemented and see if they can be improved. And that's what we've done over the past couple of years with HDL. So really the goal of the benefits of the HDL administration is to modernize the business license application and renewal process for the city. We heard, again we've mentioned, we've heard from this council and previous council's about the importance of modernizing and providing flexibility and options to the members of the business community. And we've also heard directly from the business community. If you can imagine in the past, a lot of these business license transactions, not too long ago actually were handled over regular US mail. Folks that are doing business in the city for one task, pull business licenses, and they're coming from sometimes pretty far. So it became more convenient for them to be able to have their business licenses, needs addressed online instead of having to just simply come in prior to a job to pull a business license. One of the things that was a glaring oversight that we quickly rectified with the help of HDL is to provide Vietnamese services. We already had Spanish services when it was launched, but we noticed that there was a void, pretty glaring oversight. So we took care of that now, and now there is a Vietnamese services if needed when a business license applicant reaches out to HDL. It has increased productivity at the counter and mainly this administration is very much about metrics. Here our city manager talked about that quite often being able to provide to you actual data and so that you can make more informed decisions. The system that was in place for many years, particularly after the layoffs a few years back, a decade ago, resulted in business licenses being transacted at the counter, but the data not necessarily being collected and processed in a way where we could access it and then analyze it and improve the processes. So again, just for just basics, a business license is an official permit, given to an individual or a company, in order for the company to legally operate a business. Business license is ensures legal compliance enables governments to regulate the business activities. So these are pretty standard definition of what a business license is. We're going to show an illustration now, kind of a flow chart from left to right. This flow chart is going to appear on several screens. It's intended to provide you different bits of information overlaid on the same screen. So you can see to the far left there, you have your business, that's the icon for the business, and at the end of the, on the far right, you see that the business is operating, and it's functioning as a business in our community. HDL is the icon there that you see next. HDL essentially collects and gathers all of the information and puts it into a portal. That portal is then processed directly into our staff's divisions. And it is somewhat of a linear process, planning does have to look at the application first. And then it gets passed on to building. And then depending on the type of business it does require per our code That it also be reviewed by the police department not every business is reviewed by the police department just a few and those are listed there at the bottom once our staff Collectively in this process approves it HDL then it goes ahead and invoices the taxpayer the the business pays, and then HDL issues a business tax certificate. I want to focus a lot of the attention here to the verification of compliance with the Westminster Municipal Code. I mean, to be 100% blunt, this is the area where the frustration has built up from time to time, from business to business. And I want to make it clear that it's not a broken system, it's not a meticulous HDL process, it's actually very streamlined. It's just that our planners are being asked to review per our code quite a bit of information. And this is where there is sometimes a, we'll call it a log jam. It takes things can take longer. Some businesses can be processed relatively quickly. Obviously a more complex building going into a particular site requires oversight, life, safety, zoning, general plan, compliance, all of that good stuff. So that is where the business license application resides for the longest amount of time because there is the most amount of review that is necessary in that area. And I'm just going to dig down a little bit more without going into too much detail. The city approval process, which is what I kind of clustered in that last slide. Business license is a reviewed for zoning code requirement. What's the big deal with zoning code? So it's very important, it ensures that adjoining land uses are compliant with each other. Ensures that thoughtful planning and design is actually occurring. It ensures public safety and welfare. So when I talk about public safety there are elements to the land use from a public safety perspective, but then let's also remember ADA compliance, a building that opened in the 80s, and we have a new person coming into operate a new business. The ADA needs, all of those are federal and state requirements, so all of that actually goes into the process. For the city approval process, there is a zoning review process that includes ensuring that the use is permitted. So we talked a little bit about that. If there is a conditional use permit, we want to make sure that how that transfers over to the next applicant. It's an opportunity for staff to verify with code enforcement if there is any issues happening at that particular location. And also to make sure that the new applicant fully understands the conditions of approval that come with the business. And I mentioned before, life and safety assessments are also, they're kind of cooked into our West Minister Municipal Code. But we are still beholden to ensure that federal and state laws are also addressed as part of our oversight and part of that review. So part of that cluster that has the city review, we are, we carry the burden from the federal and state level to essentially make sure that all of their regulations are reviewed through our planning department. So keep that in mind that there is the Westminster Municipal Code review and then any applicable federal and state requirements as well. So we'll go back to our spread, sorry to our flow chart, just to give you a little bit of timelines. And an ideal process, HDL collects the information and HDL can collect and process the information within 24 hours. Our planning division typically takes, can take usually less than five days. Our building division is actually really quick, they're a lot quicker and only because they have a more detailed focus of what they're looking at. So their scope of work is actually less than the planning division. That's the only reason that the planning division takes a little bit longer. And planning division has to go first before it goes to the building division. The police department, I would say, rarely does it take the five days. It's also pretty efficient. And then once we process that through, HDL issues and invoice within 24 hours. The business pays and that's a very simple transaction, I think just about everybody that I know now of all ages and backgrounds. Is able to process online payments. I would say this is as simple as paying your cable bill. It really wants you to get the invoice from HDL. And just the amount of work that goes through them, they currently have processed 4,800 active business licenses in the city. To give you a little bit of a per month breakdown, we have about 40 new business licenses per month that are processed through the system. We have remedied some of the delays that were experienced in our review by making sure that there is a staff member assigned to the HDL portal. So every day regardless of how busy a staff member is in the planning department, somebody is allocated to visit the portal and to make sure that things are moved along. So that was an issue in the past. I think people got busy. Sometimes it lacks a little bit. That we have everybody now in a schedule to do that. And Ryan had a lot to, with implementing those controls into our process. So back to 40 business licenses per month. 15 of those are home-based. So those are a lot easier to process. And then we really have, this is kind of the number I want everybody to focus on. We have about 25 traditional brick and mortar businesses that are pulling permits in our city monthly. So that's the amount of traffic that comes through. Again, everybody that is currently in the system, that is not modifying their business receives a renewal in the mail. Very much like an annual fee, annual invoice. But the traffic that is flowing through the system is about 25. So keep that in mind as we move along. We're here to help always and to help improve the system. One of the things that we heard very clear from business owners is that in some cases their banks, their other lenders or partners, we're requesting a business license before that other process outside the city system could get going. And we realized that that was actually slowing down the overall goal of getting them open as soon as possible. So one of the things that is implemented now and working with HDL, and again Ryan has a lot of the, he's our in-house HDL expert. We created a disclaimer business license solution, which is said I won't read all of the details here, but essentially what it does is that if somebody requests a business license because a lender is requiring it early in the process and let's say they have a tenant improvement that's going to take a few months, but they want to get other financing going. We provide them with an actual business license, but it has a disclaimer that is not a license to operate the business. The concern from a city perspective is that people will run with that, post it, and open the doors. So we do have an itemized list of who we're providing these to. We check in with them regularly to make sure that they realize that they need to kind of close the loop, get all their permits and get all of their approvals in line before they actually receive the official closed business license. One of the other things that we hear a lot about are analytics and the power of managing data. Something that the city and most cities do not have. We don't have our in-house algorithm, prepares that run these sorts of softwares. HDL has their own methods, and again, Ian is here if you want him to elaborate a little bit more on that. But we enabled and activated HDL's discovery compliance services, which essentially kind of unleashes them through all of the different methods of identifying where businesses are taking place in the city. They do their research, they run their algorithms, and they've been able to recover $319,000 since August of 22 by finding businesses that are operating in the city without a business license. That is a skill and a specialty that most agencies don't have. So I would say that that's a huge added value to what HDeal brings to the city. The cost of administering these services is $87,000. So you look at how much money is coming in based on their direct actions. So the net revenue is about $231,000. And again, I mentioned that city staff does not have the in-house capabilities to go out and track all businesses that are operating. They have their methods of doing that. And that concludes the overview. I know we've been wanting to get to you to present you with an overview of business licenses and we're here for questions at this point. I want to thank staff for the detail presentation. I normally let the council go first but for this item because there are some misunderstandings so I would like to take a first cut up this and then I will be brief and then we'll go back to the council. So let me ask you, this is the item that before we have this item, we process the business license in-house. Correct? That is correct, sir. And then we, the council decide to contract that with HDL. Yes sir. When was that? That was in October 14th of 2020. 2020. Yes sir. That means it's clearly before my term as a mayor and some of the council here. Yes sir. Okay. That's clear. I just want people to understand that it's not during my time as a council. Can you go back to sheet number three or a slide number three? Okay. I can see that the significant increase in business analysis and tax revenue to the city by going through the HDR. That is correct sir. Okay and at the same time I heard that you said we don't have the capability to do it in house. We do not have the capability, the technical to capability or the ability to build a software that can go out and track it. Again, there's an HDL rep here that can elaborate on what they do to bring in the revenue, but we do not have that skill set in-house. Now we can see clearly that the advantage of going with the HDL that bring us the revenue. Just because what we did before in-house, we did not have that capability. Therefore, we lost the revenue. Correct. So with that, I would like to have you ever look at, well, what I hear from the people is that if we do it in house, it can go faster than going to HDL. But at the same time, I was looking at your slide number eight. If you can go to that slide, I can see that the number of hours, number of days that you are processing is correct. Less than or do you think that it's quicker to do it in-house? Then it's the help. It is not going to be quicker because we have had issues at the counter, transacting business licenses and having those interactions at the counter. The review process is going to be the same either way though. So, due to misunderstanding from people, do you see that there are, if we can go hybrid, which we can do it, we can process in-house and we can also use HDL. Is that a advantage to the resident here and to the city of Westpester? Yeah, you bring up a very good point and it's very, if we look at the number of transactions we have per month, without, and Ryan did a deep dive to figure out just how much foot traffic that could generate if we did some form of an in-house. We have about 25 brick and mortar licenses that are processed. That is a very reasonable amount of businesses that we can process at the counter. By appointment. Okay. And I think that would be your hybrid approach. Is that what you're describing as hybrid? Yes. I have one more. It's clearly understand that we are not going to reinvent the wheel and go through the whole thing and put in the cost proposal for doing it in house. Because we know that HDL is the advantage to us in terms of getting us more of the revenue. So can you, can I ask staff to come back sometime with the cost to have the hybrid so that we can make an addition on that? Is that possible? Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, based on the number of foot traffic that we're seeing and the number of folks that of the 25, let's just say half of them come to the counter. You know, setting aside maybe a workspace by appointment. That wouldn't really generate additional equipment costs. It's just a matter of making sure that we have somebody available to walk somebody through the process. Scan for them if they don't know how to scan, help them fill out a form. So we provide very good customer service at the counter. We would be able to absorb that with our current staff. But we definitely can come back to you with a more detailed plan of what that could look like. Okay, I will come back with you later, but at this time, I would like to open up for council comments. Let me start with the customer will worst this week one. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. What I've been hearing too is that as Mr. Mayor has many business people coming to him saying the process, the streamline before it was faster, they can get their business license and then start their business and make money for them and for the city. Now they say the problem is when they try to open another one, it takes forever. And the process is delay, so they can't make money, so they can't pay tax to the city. So the delay is there. So that's why a lot of people go to Found Valley, go to Riverside, Corona to get their process faster. And that's been the complaint I've been getting from the business community, from the people. And so that's why I feel like it's not matching up. So you said you guys start streamlining with this company in 2020. Is that correct, Adolfo? Yes. Okay. And 2020, I mean most of you guys were here, right? The senior council, is that correct? I think so. Adolfo? Most of them. Okay. And it's just one. You? You? You want on? A Doughful. Okay. And it is just one, two. You? You won on, you know? Monzo, we're not there, right? It's starting to be 21, right? You won on 20th, it's your fault. Yeah, so it's just Kimberly and Charlie only. Okay, so I guess? No, but we have to go. But it was 2022, October 14th. 2020 is when they start with this company. But maybe Kimberly can give us more in detail of how the businesses back then the process was faster. And that's what I've been getting is that the complain of businesses, they wish they want to do business without city. But when you guys got into this contract with this outside company, it's just delayed the application of the process for them to get that license. So they can't be taxed on and give tax back to the city. So what I'm saying is if you do go, this is kind of like a continuation, right? With this company, then can they promise, I mean, is the person here that we can ask? I would have to disagree with that assessment because the lion's share of the time allocated to a business license application is currently handled within the city as it was prior to 2020. So, and I have not received, I have not experienced or helped somebody at the counter that is explaining to me what their delay is. So I can't really confirm the delays. I know I'm not saying you're not hearing them, but we're not hearing them at the staff level. Even right now, to this day, I've been coming to you with many businesses to get their license. And it's taking forever. One of them during COVID, they bought a property and they want to start it, but they haven't been approved yet until not even now. So that's what I'm saying is that I've been working with other business owners. And so if HDL's here, do you mind if I ask you a question quick? Who's HDL? Do you mind if I ask you quick? Thank you, sir. So I appreciate that you are providing a service that's going to help our city to streamline and move us forward in the business community. And that's what we want. But from what I'm hearing on the ground is different. So what is the delay? I mean, why aren't the businesses, why aren't they getting their license? So, just waiting. Yeah, so I can understand the frustration and I'll have to, in some way, echo what staff is saying, which is that our process is as far as HDL's side of things is concerned. It's actually more on the tax side of things, not on any sort of approval side of things. So as you're mentioning with the business that bought the building during COVID, they bought this building and had to go through some sort of approval process through some departments that, you know, depends on which one they're going through. HDL immediately approves things because it is a tax. So once they've qualified themselves as a business, we accept the application and move it on to the planning department, the building department, the police department, whichever department is necessary for that particular business. So our processes as was explained in that flow chart takes less than 24 hours at most. And just to, again, elaborate one more time, just in case I miss something, the processing side of HDL is normally very quick, normally very easy for someone to apply online. They get communications through email as follow-ups because if the tax period doesn't respond within a reasonable amount of time, they get a phone call, they get an email. We also ping the planning department and the building department whenever that's not been responded to in a reasonable amount of time. So I can't necessarily speak for why the delay is happening in this particular business case, just that HDL's processes tend to make the process more efficient and more streamlined from the business lights inside which is the tax operations side not the planning approval side or the building approval side. Okay, since that's the case that you guys process within 24 hours when it gets to the city like the chart, the three process, the chart was through the city, right? Then go back to you guys. Correct. So then the delay is within the city. So you pin them meaning, do you pin them every two weeks to say, hey, what about this application or do you pin them every month? I think it depends on the complication that comes along with the staff review. So in some cases, it might be that the building department has referred the business to have to make some sort of maintenance. If it says it's going to take three months, we're not going to pay them every two weeks to try to remind them that it's time to do something when it's not three months delayed. What we'll usually do is that we'll stay in constant communication through what we call our approval central portal, which is an active portal that both HDL and city staff review at all times. This is a live database that we're keeping active in and keeping notes in and making sure that we're communicating with the taxpayer communicating with the city We're kind of a At the end of the day of HDL almost operates as like a middleman between the business and the city For a long time it also was an issue of from my understanding from talking with Ryan and Adolfo There was an issue where Business owners didn't even know what they would have to do so they would actually operate more often without going through the proper compliance channels. HDL being the stop gap at the very beginning of the business license process has allowed it to be that the not only the planning department, the building department and the police department and the business license department, to be able to communicate with the taxpayer specifically about what their needs are. We're giving them a more thorough list of what the requirements are in order to operate a business rather than it being something that's thrown up in the air or that they have to navigate on their own. This is something that we're guiding them through the process, walking them through the process and really hand holding them through the process in order to make it simple and adjusted. Now I know most of the application expired in three months. Is that correct at all? Most of them? Is that correct? Ryan? I don't believe there's any three-month expiration of business license applications. Do you? There might be some special event ones that run on some irregular basis. All business licenses normally expire on an anniversary cycle. So if you applied in June, your business license goes till May 31st and then basically goes on that cycle every year. Okay. Perfect. I just feel like somewhere is dropping the ball but if you can assist and help maybe pin maybe every quarter if it's possible you know and reasonable if you can help us out with your technology, which I think is very easy for you guys tech savvy. We can work with staff to try to navigate that. I think that Ryan and Adolfo are both very dedicated to trying to get this process more streamlined as the council's direction has been. Ryan and I have worked multiple times together to try to manage this process more efficiently. That's kind of what the disclaimer business license is supposed to also solve. The disclaimer business license is supposed to almost in a way circumvent, but also follow the more legal practice about business tax collection. We don't want to prevent a business from basically doing business in the city if it's not something that's relevant to a particular process. We want to help the business get through the process, pay their business tax, get a certificate, tell them you may not have gone through the proper channels of getting your planning approval or getting your building approval, but you pay your business tax, you have a business license. Please go to these different departments to make sure that you're getting up to date. That's one of the solutions that we're going to have to work on with staff and make sure that things are being moved forward appropriately. But yes, we are dedicated to trying to enhance this process. I wanted to thank the customer who asked for excellent questions. I'd like to move on with the customer. Thank you for your detailed report Ryan for all your help, your dedication, the awful you too. I think that disconnect of the confusion there is that between the issuance of a business license and then the term, the length of time to get all their entitlements, which a lot of that time can be construction, you know, all the permitting process for the different construction that may be doing and any other requirement that they need to comply with. That's getting your business licenses one thing given the rest of your entitlements is a whole other thing. So if somebody comes and says I want a business license disclaimer, I want to pay my business license. They're going to be able to do that very quickly. They can do that now very quickly. That doesn't mean they can open their door. If the fire department hasn't signed off on their requirements, if our building official says, well, you don't have ADA access, you don't have fire sprinklers. You're not done with construction. All of those issues are outside of the control of city staff, and the doors will not open until it's safe for those doors to open. And that is the frustration that I think ultimately gets essentially redirected to the city. So I mean in that case HDL you're pretty much handcuffed during that whole process there's nothing much Very little you can do that in a situation There that's why we're creating this disclaimer certificate so in order to make it so that there's more separation between what the city's handling versus what H.D.L is handling because we understand that that again H.D.L. has been operating in this middleman situation where it's made it so that these waters are really muddy. When it comes to who's handling what and when is it, it's H.D.L.'s fall because I went to H.D.L. first, I haven't even talked to the city because we have been managing that relationship. This is claimers certificate is supposed to remedy some of that. is demanding that they need this business tax certificate, as Adolfo mentioned, for getting their lease approved or getting some sort of banking funding or something along those lines. We're trying to navigate that process to make the process less frustrating for the business as it goes on. And also the business is usually less involved in the approval process as well. This is something that they're usually more frustrated about because they feel like they're left in the dark. They don't know what they're supposed to, is it their fault that they're not like are getting licensed that what's going on. This allows for more transparency, allows for more continuity with the business license process. Okay. And then once all the entitlements have been done and they're open, then where's your, what's your role after that? So after the business has been issued their license and everything's been approved by the city and they're just moving on as a normal business. The only time the business would ever hear back from us is on a yearly basis when they have to pay for the renewal. That's when our, you know, we're notifying them through post mail, through email, through phone call, we're trying to do every avenue to make sure that they stay up to date on their business license and don't include penalties, don't include anything that would basically put an extra burden on the business. All right. Thank you. Be nice. Then we'll be come to you soon. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. You know what? I have no problem with the city go, contract out to STL. But I personally experienced the delay when I applied for business license and I'd awful notes about it. And before that, there's at least like four business owners came to me and they complained about the issue. The same issue that I personally experienced. So but I don't believe them until I experienced my own. Then I talked to, actually, I submit my application three times, and it takes me three months until I talk to a doctor. I don't know about what is on the process, the queue, or what is the workflow that you created. I'm an engineer. I'm a software engineer. I know how you want to into the process. But then there's a classroom where the delay, all, I think, like most of the application that came through the queue. So I personally talk to a dog for, and it takes you weeks to get my application done. So just talk about that, at least like for business owners came to me and I don't know how many business owners came to because of women's wealth, what the same is to Caso Woman West, with the same issue. A month ago when I visited Zipos to send a package, the owner of Zipos personally called me out and complained about his getting a permit, not at this time not a business license but a permit, not at this time, not a business license, but a permit. And it takes them two months until now. And they just abandoned the idea to get the permit. And they plan to go to the new newspaper to complain about it, to go public about that. So I just want to give you a heads up of what's going on. Before, let me tell you this story before, when Nancy is that already that, okay, when I apply for a business license, really instead of a business license, it takes me half an hour to get the business license from Nancy. But I don't know if right now with SBL, can we do that or at least in an hour or 24 hours? That's my suggestion and my concerns. Thank you. All right. Vice Mayor Ho, you were not forgotten. But since I go first, you took my role as the mayor. It would last. But now, Mr. Mayor, can you answer my question? What is the clear, you know, in the system? You're going to answer the highest question. Can I get the question one more time? I thought you were more giving like a story. And so I apologize if I missed the question. I don't know if I can, can you explain that? Are you asking us to see if we can match the speed that that transit. application and the application have to go back and forth, back and forth. If they're not completing the application process on the application correctly, then I think that they will be kicked back. And I know that several times that had happened before. So I don't know for the project that you're talking about, you have to state the problem why it's a very simple application. Go ahead and tell him. Three times. The system asked me to submit the drawing, right? OK. My shop here, what I'm going to do with my shop, I rent like a supplement, a self, something, somewhere. And I submitted it. And it asked me again to submit again and again and again. Can I ask you guys to do the last part? That's a particular case and get together with the council member and win. No, no, I get it done already. So I can, I get it to resolve, you know, I can help up a awful. I can answer your question. I'm not going to provide a lot of detail, but I know that you did have an issue. You let me know. I passed that information along to Ryan. He reached out to HDL and then it was taken care of. I don't know exactly whether it was a stuck in a planning department or whether it was stuck. There was a glitch on the HDL side. I can't comment on that, but once the input was provided to a staff member, it was resolved pretty quickly after that. Ryan, give us the answer. What was it, the glitch? I don't know exactly, it was a few months ago or it was a while ago. I don't know exactly without it in front of me the information. Right, so it was like a six or seven months ago, right? Yeah, it was a while ago and I know it got taken care of. We could look into what that particular issue was on that identifier and learn from it. But we did take care of it once it was reported to staff. All right, thank you very much. Now, vice-may, I hope you are recognized. Yes, thank you so much. I really enjoyed your write up staff. I wrote great read. I really enjoyed it. That's all right. Sorry, it's all because I have experience. I have a lot of experience in dealing with business department. And I was just thinking, you know, because we, you know, I had a business in the city of Westminster and for years, I had to, we had to deal with Nancy and then we had to do everything by mail, the snail mail. So, you know, those days are gone and I think it's good. That's a good thing, you know, the age of the dinosaurs. And I feel like we are upgrading or doing things faster. And, you know, that requires technology. So I really thank you, HDL. So I understand that not every business owner is tech savvy. So sometimes technology tend to slow us down. So I really like the idea of a hybrid situation because we are serving our constituents. We are serving our business community. So I cannot imagine that every business person is tech savvy, especially, I would say sometimes it's not about the technology, but it's the language barrier. So I think, you know, I mean, I don't know many of you, I'm sure, experience this when you call an airline to make reservations and you want to talk to a live person. You get so frustrated because it keeps telling you or sending you round and round and round, you know, technology sometimes don't really serve you well. So we do need to have an alternative method. And so that's the hybrid. Like the mayor had suggested. I like that idea. And one thing I can tell you that being on the other side, the recipient of the business licenses, you know, sometimes we don't do it on purpose, but they're times when, you know, we forget to pay, I'm sure, you know, I mean, I do have a lot of licenses and I you know so so they expire and sometimes we overlook I can tell you that it is absolutely necessary and it is so you know for for you to recover that much money for us in the tune of what 300 something thousand dollars that is you definitely need technology to do that. It's almost effortless because you've got some software that it might be proprietary. I'm sure, right? You're not going to tell me what kind of software you're not going to give me a copy. It's home made. It's home made. That's what I thought. So, definitely, that's a plus. And I've always thought, I smile as I was reading through these pages. And I have to say that the one city that I can applaud, and like I said, I do business in a lot of cities, surrounding cities. And the one city that I felt that was, you know, been doing a great job, and I have to say that Santa Ana. I mean, they caught me. You know, they actually go back, and they make you pay for all the years that you didn't pay, you know? And when I talked to them, that was just pretty amazing. Actually, I didn't even need to talk to anybody. They just say, pay up. And before you can pay forward, you have to catch up. So that's really a way for us to recover the fees that we didn't have. And how would we do that if we have a person. It's impossible. So technology is helping us here to recover and to be proactive because we haven't been proactive. I mean, I know that a lot of times we catch ourselves being late on paying the fees. I don't think there's ever anybody giving us a ring saying you forgot to pay or even an email or a mail or letter. So I think I really, really like that. That's a must. HGL is a must. Do you also serve Santa Ana or is that a different company? I was just about to say that I'm sorry that we do. So I'm sorry for sending you a notice. No did you? Yes. I wasn't mean specifically but yes we do serve Santa Ana. No I mean you serve Santa Ana as you have a contract with Santa Ana. Yes. See so we've chosen the right company. We did. said, as business people, we are very busy. So it's understandable that you focus on the licensees, and the business license particularly. So we don't mind paying you. And the only way cities could recover or make money on licenses is to be proactive So I'm really excited and I know that there are complaints. I'm sure They're legitimate complaints but I don't hear any cases from beginning to the end So if there's a case need to present your case to a doll foe. And then I would think that I seem to remember to be fair. I seem to remember like maybe a couple years ago, I had someone who called me about the length of time that it took for them to, there was a trouble with getting license, but I don't remember that particular case, so I'm saying, but it has been a couple of years since, and that was the only isolated case. And so, yeah. And here's one thing I want to know is that, in Santa Ana, what they were after me was, or shall I say, the one thing that I want to ask you, if we are collecting, is business licenses for landlords. Are we pursuing that? Are we? Because you see, that is a whole lot of money. And I think I don't know if you are pursuing our city. So that is a, but that I believe was the first phase, if I'm not mistaken, that me and Ryan worked on together was property rental discovery It is a huge market because of what you specifically mentioned Those businesses tend to be more diverse they usually span over multiple cities slash counties slash states And that becomes difficult to manage of where do I need a license where to it not especially since not every city requires a license for the same type of rental activity. An example is in Westminster, there is a minimum requirement for apartment rentals. So you, like a single family home, doesn't need a license, the duplicates doesn't need a license. However, three or more units need a business license to operate within Westminster. And so the one thing I will just add on top of that is that that functionality is something that we're constantly monitoring, making sure people qualify for their exemptions and or get taxed for whatever their taxable activity is. And we're monitoring that at all times when a new business, more new building is purchased. We try to notify the business as soon as it's been purchased. If it's like a fourplex or some sort of massive apartment complex. So right here I need to ask you a question. You mean our short-term rental, I mean not short-term rental, our long-term rentals. Single family rentals. We don't require a license. Correct, they are exempt. They are exempt. They are. What about Santa Ana? Because they were after me for that. They have a tax. So that's why I was just mentioning the jurisdictions make rules for business tax. I will say the City of Westminster's business license tax code is for lack of a better term a little outdated in comparison to other jurisdictions. And there's a lot of reasons for that, but that is one of the reasons there's a lot more modernization that's happened over the last few years with business tax to include certain business types, such as business Like software businesses and things of that nature that I become more prominent Including rental properties because that's been such a more booming market. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, that's something for us to look into. Thank you. Thank you very much. I know that I have a follow-up. Okay Thank you since the vice mayor brought up that topic I know there's quite a few area homes that are used as businesses when they have a primary residence and then they have a single ADU or an ADU and a JADU. So in an instance of just the main dwelling in one AD you and they're running it as a business that they are exempt If it's rental activity if they're operating a business like you know, let's say you're selling something out of your home On Etsy or eBay whatever the case may be you're You will require a business license for doing retail activities, but for doing a single unit of rental It's three or more units is what qualifies the business license tax. So you just said that different cities have different policies correct Since I know in our city we got quite a few 80 use that I feel that I think they're being used as businesses Is that something? Yeah rental there's they're rentals. They're, but the owners clearly has, you know, they're using it as a rental business. Right. Well, if I hear you incorrectly, that he said that for the City of Westminster, the business licenses process is very much outdated, which, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very if they have three or four or five rentals, then that is when they would qualify for a business license and they would be required to get one in the city of Westminster. How about we know if they do? That is the answer. That's our team. So what we do is that we basically not only do we take property tax data, but we also buy data from Zillow and other types of apartments.com and things of that nature to try to identify these businesses that are operating without a license. So once we've identified that, we also identify a unit count because we also have other vendors that can provide us certain lease information about how many leases that they're offering, how many units that might be on a particular property. This might include, it could be that there is even in a case in which that there's multiple rooms being rented within a certain household. Like just one unit is not necessarily defined as unit as like one single house. It could be that someone's renting out a room, someone's renting out multiple spaces within a residential complex. All of these things are things that are reviewed by our business tax team. One of the things that I believe was mentioned on the presentation by staff was that we have a lot of business license expertise because we work for all these different jurisdictions So we've kind of seen everything that can be thrown in a particular way and we try to navigate the local Business market based on whatever activities are going on and we try to regulate that towards your business tax code All right, could that be something you you'll be looking into? Thank you. Okay, I could I quickly? First of all, one. We're past 10 o'clock. The question was asked about two units. Let's say you had an owner living in it and then there's an ADU and then also a JADU. It sounds like that would not qualify because there's only two rentals in that situation with the owner. But if they're renting all three of them, potentially that would apply. Correct. three of them potentially that would apply. The second thing I wanted to mention was if you change the business license it is a tax. So that would be something that would have to be submitted to the voters. So cities do do that but basically like a comprehensive update and submitted to the voters. Thank you. I got a reminder from the city attorney that we passed 10 o'clock. However, we were in the middle of discussions, or we are exempt from doing that. However, I guess we have enough discussion about this today. So I move to file, receive and file this report before I move to extend the meeting time. Second. Okay, second. Thank you very much. Thank you. We have motion. No second on the floor. Thank you, Mayor. I have a motion made by Mayor Wayne. Second by Councillor Monzo. This is to receive and file the report. I'm going to call roll. What? Councillor Wilman- Councilwoman Stan West. Yes. Councilmember Monzo. Yes. Councilmember Nguyen. Before I cast my vote, can I once again verify that what is the suggestion of my own win? What is what? That's correct. Can we take a step back, Ashton? Yeah. There was a conversation about hybrid. Right. And I had responded to the mayor that we would be happy to come back with information as to equipment or logistics to be able to make that operation occur. But I don't know if I heard it in a motion. I just started bringing that. I think that's her. So you're going to make her the motion to clarify? Yes. I'd like to, well for this item is received file. So I will receive and file and then also modification to that or what? You could provide general direction this day. My motion is to have staff to come back back with hybrid cars proposal so that we can the cars who can take a look at that and see not only the from the car standpoint but from their time to respond time standpoint so we can make a informed decision on that. So that my motion. Thank you and councilmember monzo. Yes, so we'll go ahead and add that into the motion I'll go ahead and recall roll with the amendment councilman fan west. Can you please repeat that one more time So this is to receive and file the report into direct staff to bring an item back to the city council regarding a hybrid cost and response times Perfect. Yes my My vote, Van West is yes. Councillor Monzo. Yes. Councillor Wilmer. Yes. Vice Mayor Hill. Yes. Mayor Wynne. Yes. Motion carried 50. At this time I would like to extend the meeting time. A past 10 o'clock. Motion to motion. Second. I have a motion made by Mayor Wynne, seconded by Council Member Nguyen. This is to extend the meeting past 10 p.m. per city policy. I'll go to call roll. Council woman fan west. Council member Monzo. Yes. Council member Wynne. Yes. Vice Mayor Ho. Yes. Mayor Wynne. Motion carried for zero. Okay. 5.5 continue from the August 14, 2024. We're able to see the council meeting. Ben Hanging request from gone row of Unified School District, Mootaproof. Second. I have a motion made by Mayor Wynne. I seconded by Councillor Marbonzo. But I think we should pick A or B. No, that both. Oh, A or B. Before I believe that they asked for one year and then I believe that Councilmember Muehn was proposed for 90 days. Right. And so with that, we don't have any problem for, or we don't have any complaint from their request, so requesters, so go ahead and go for B. Do we know if we have, yeah, I think like last year we approved the same item would be auctioned be right. I don't know, but let's see what when it's about to talk. Why don't you go ahead? Sure, thank you Mayor, thank you council members. Yes, they are requesting the year. We went through the process of renewing that request every 90 days, which really didn't impact their request. There was no other request that were contradicting their banner hanging. So on the school district, it really doesn't make any difference. So every 90 days, we have to redo it again. So every 90 days, if there were no other requests it was within this city manager's jurisdiction to approve the continuation. Okay, well let's go for a B-dead. Okay. Okay. And we have motion and second on the floor. Yeah. Okay. We have motion and second on the floor. Yeah. Okay. So we have a motion made by Mayor Wynn, a second made by Councillor Romanzo, to approve option B, authorize a 90 day request to hang banners along Berserk Street between Hazard Avenue and Balsa Avenue and along Bercurst Street between Hazard Avenue and McFadden Avenue and authorize the city manager to extend between hazard avenue and balsa avenue and along BRCA street between hazard avenue and McFadden avenue and authorize the city manager to extend the 90 day increments. Should there be, there not be any request for banners the location from another organization or agency. I'll go to call roll. Councilwoman fan west. Fan west yes. Councillor Wanzo. Yes. Councillor Wen. Yes. Motion carried 50. 5.6 continue from the August 14, 2024 regular city council meeting. Consider a sponsorship for midway city senate district 85th anniversary celebration. I have a lot of money to make. I have a lot of money to make. I have a lot of money to make. I have a lot of money to make. I have a lot of money to make. I have a lot of money to make. I have a lot of money to make. I have a lot of money to make. I have a lot of money to make. I have a lot of money to make. I have a lot of money to make. Director of the midway city. Yes. Item 5.6. Ashton. Prepare for action. Or actually. I think it's more for the council to discuss regarding the sponsorship but we have staff available for questions. Okay, let's start with District 1. Thank you. I think this is great. We did it last year and this is a great partnership between Midway Sanitation and Owens City of Westminster. We did 3000, I think we should do it again. I think it's a great idea and great partnership and great way of promoting Westminster. I have no other further question. Thank you. Yes, go ahead. Thank you, Vice Mayor. So my motion is to approve. I second it. The 3000 gold sponsorship, since we you know reciprocated what they done for our city and I think 3000 is warranted. I second okay. Council member when do you have anything to say? 5.6. I know I know but I believe that the events already passed right? What? No? No it says continued from. All right okay I got it. September 14. They have a lot of events. September 4. September 14. September 4th. Yes. September 4th. 14? It's so many dates here. Yes, September 14th. I'm okay with that. Next year. Next month. Yes, September 14th, 10 to 1. You're okay with $3,000. All right. So I believe last year we sponsored the same amount. And so for me, my comment is that, you know, we've been in partnership with them with Midway Sanitary District for a long time as a community partner. And so a lot of our, they serve, states here very clearly to serve the City of Westminster and Midway City residents. So our residents will be attending this event. So I think it's right that we show support. So I would also go for $3,000. So roll call vote please. Thank you, Vice Mayor. I have a motion made by Councillor Bonza, a second made by Councillor Womens fan-west. This is regarding to approve the request for midway city sanitary district for a city sponsorship. And I approve the sponsorship level of gold for a total of $3,000 for the 85th anniversary celebration event. I'll go to call roll. Councillor Wilmingfian West. Fan West, yes. Councillor Romanzo. Yes. Councillor Wilmingfian West. Yes. Councillor Wilmingfian West. Yes. Vice Mayor Ho. Yes. 4-0 motion carried. You want to call Mr. Mayor? Thank you. Okay. Next item is 5.7. Continue from the August 14, 2024, regular City Council meeting. Approval of our state, travel for council members to attend the Association of California CDs, Orange County, abbreviation as ACC, that's the OC, 2024, 2024, Washington, DC, of the year. I would like to have a brief report from the staff. Sure. I'll take that report. We used to be members of the association of California cities, O.C., or otherwise known as ACCOC. We recently, we recently, are now members again, starting this last fiscal year. So one of their many events includes an advocacy trip in which there is an itinerary. They'll be going to Washington, DC. There will be a delegate of other city officials. That includes staff and elected officials from the member cities. In which they will be attending different meetings with the legislators, with other stakeholders who would be influential in terms of policy decision making at the federal level. It's also an educational trip. So advocacy and education, this particular trip is from September 16th through the 19th and per council policy the approval of any out of state travel for council members is, you know, must be the approval must be made at a city council meeting. So that's why this is being presented. The budget for the estimated cost per se for each council member who would like to attend is approximately 2750. That includes the registration, the airfare, hotel lodging, lodging, and per DM of $50 a day. And that will be expended from the budget. Okay, thank you very much for that report. I just want to make sure I present myself as a mayor. I've been reaching out and doing a lot for the city by joining different volunteering. Okay, this is volunteering. 20 different agencies out there, such as Lake of City. I was on the committee as a housing and development and also I was attending with mayors of a lot of mayors around table and all. A lot more than that I can say is right here. So basically I want to tell you that in my capacity and as a mayor I am responsible in doing all. I can't put the CD of Westminster on the map and we are proud of what we are doing. So I might so intend to go to this and I'm going to represent for the City of Westminster. But I respect the vote from the council. this and I will take it. So like Mr. Mayor, we both are on the California leaks of cities. And he's on the housing on the Public Safety Committee to work with the sheriff, the chief of police and the DAs up and down the state of California to fight Sacramento on the public safety. He's fighting on the housing situation. So it's been great. We've been to many different events on that and voicing the opinion of the resident in the state of Westminster up to Sacramento. And we've been very successful on that and we were able to overturn a few bills and also enact it different bills as well. And it's been an amazing journey. We learn a lot, I guess I have to speak for myself as the mayor. I learn a lot and I think it's important as we go to this, this is something which I know is cheaper than the Vegas trip. I know you guys spent almost somewhere, a park of 25, 30,000 with all a few of you guys, city manager, city assistant, Lynn and Adolfo went, the mayor, Kimberly and Carlos. So now with this, it's only 2,750, and so far it's just my Charlie and myself, the mayor and myself able to go to represent us and DC and fight for the things that we need in the City of Westminster. Bringing federal into local control, I think it's important on different issues that we can get funding. And I know the mayor and I can do that. That shows teamwork. It shows that the mayor, I mean if we go together, it does show teamwork. And that we can unite. Please. This is good. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. appreciate you have control of the meeting. And so I think it's important to work together and this is another way that we as the city can come together and show our resident and the City of Westminster that yes, the council can work together and I think that's important. So I would be honored if the council would allow the mayor and I to go. I think that's great. Thank you. I appreciate it. So next is Vice Mayor Hall. Let me go this way. Yes. I'm the Vice Mayor. I would like to go with the mayor. And I think we worked very well together in Las Vegas very professionally and for me I've been on the council for eight years and I know previously we when I first started we had the DC trip but I don't know what happened never had an opportunity to go, so I'd love to go. Okay, all right, so he's asking to do it. Because here, it only to express that you went, but now you wanted to add to the list. Yes, I actually didn't know, I told Lynn, I didn't know anything about this, yes. No problem, no problem. Thank you. Okay, customer, Mr. Monser. Yeah, I would not be going to this and I do think there is a need for us to have a representation at the scene and I think considering the reputation and then what you've shown both the mayor and vice mayor have shown that you're there to represent the city and put the community first before yourself. I mean, I think it's, if anybody should go, be you too. That's how I feel. Councilmember Wood. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Okay. Thank you Mr. Mayor. While sitting here listening to all the reasons that you guys put on to. And to be fair, I am at the very beginning of the meeting I heard one of the residents, which is I think is definitely talking about. City is a very bad situation, financial is taken. And we should listen to our constituents. But I think personally, I think this is very important for the mayor to represent the city at Washington, D.C. to advocate for whatever that Koso woman from West just mentioned. In this case, I totally agree with men when, but if consider the second spot, I would like to have a casual woman from West to accompany the mayor on the strip because. Please, please, please. Council member, welcome. Yeah, because Vice-Manho and Councilman Carlos Manzo you got your chance already in Vegas. And I believe that at the very last meeting when you guys approved for the three of you to go, we have no problem with that. And I exclude myself from the trip. And this time I personally talk to Lin and say okay I am not going to go but you know I'm willing to support my colleagues to go so if you guys want to go just vote for yourself to go I have I totally have no problem with four of you go or three of you go. Okay? So right now, if I like to make suggestions, the mayor, the vice mayor, and the cultural woman found ways to go. Okay, so that's my... Can I nominate that? Oh, is everyone... Anyone of us can make a motion? All right, yes. I can make a motion to... for the mayor, Vice-Man Caso Wolfe and Van Wess to go. Is that the motion? Yes. Is that second to the motion. Second. I think that's fair for the three who's available. And I know that last time, like vice, I'm sorry, I keep calling you vice mayor. Nam Guang says that you did. You guys went to Vegas. I don't know what you brought back. but you guys were partying in Vegas. We're going to do business in DC. So, you know, that's not right. Okay. You are accusing us and me, particularly, that you tell me that I'm partying. You said the party. We are not partying. We are doing the work of city. If you want to say we're still bankrupt. You got your choice. I have not finished my last. You will already talk. Let's say there's a motion on the floor and there's a second. Is there a second motion today? I'll make a second motion. I'll make a second. I'll make a second. I'll make a second. I'll make a second. You have the mayor and vice mayor attend ACOC. And the reason I'm saying this is because the council member was this display of so professionalism. And last meeting, it was, I've never seen anything though anything worse. And even now, even if you don't silence my voice, I will fight for this right one. Please, please, please, please, let him finish. They want me to fight for the voice of district one. And I will fight for the voice of district one and I will fight for the voice of district one Well, you're not so you can fight for district three if you want Can I ask you to wait so that he can finish it because he's not jumping in when you're talking Okay I hate that I hate that we're in this situation Believe me. I wish that we had our council meetings were no drama whatsoever. But unfortunately that's not the case. And for a year and a half, you displayed that you're just in for yourself. So unfortunately that's the way it is and that's now my doing. That's how you, so that you're on the motion. My substitute motion is for the mayor, vice mayor to attend only. Okay, it's second to that. I second that. Okay, I know. And so that's the, that's the, I know, you know the, the, when you asked me to download it together. Three, go ahead and say, we have not, they don't say anything about the city. The silence of district one. That's the silence of the boys. And you guys should have district one. Yeah, you guys all for your own. No fish. On the taxpayer's money. For your own visa. We have the motion on the floor. Thank you mayor. Thank you. I have a substitute to council member maunze. Seconded by vice mayor ho. This is to approve mayor when it. Ho to attend. To travel to Washington, D.C. for the 2024 AACOC advocacy trip from September 16th through the 19th 2024. I'll go out a call for the Substitute Motion Councilman Van West. Before I vote, I want to make a short statement. The things that I will fight, that's why I fought last meeting for district one and their voice. You try to silence my voice. You don't have a problem with the mayor silencing your voice, but you guys three want to silence my district one voice So I will fight back for them and they're better meant I don't care how you silence me and the thing is that you guys all three and the city attorney I mean city manager assistant manager and Lynn go on this trip that's cost almost 30,000 I don't know what you brought back, but now you're gonna waste the taxpayer money to go again for your own benefits. And the thing is that my vote is no. And the people will see that because you guys are so close. Council member, are you using the taxpayer money? Yes, I respect you when you say that you are where we live before you vote. So you would, I said, you want to say. So next. Councillor Murmatho is a yes. Councillor Irwin. Okay. Before I cast my vote I'm going to say this. Yeah you guys asked the mayor. Mr. Mayor. He's talking Mr. Wooden. Let's talk and then we'll come back back. I know that the activists are talking. I can't even hear Mr. Wendt. So can I ask you to keep quiet so that we can do the business here? Good. They've been breaking the rules so many times. I appreciate that. That's all good. Okay. Yeah. I know. I believe that what Vice Mayor just said earlier, you guys want to make a good team together in DC. All right. All right, thank you. I would know. OK. Vice-Mayor, how? Yes. Mayor Wynn? Yes. Motion carried, 3, 2. Tax fare will see. Mayor, where is the mayor? Mayor, you bring in nothing back, guys. I'm always over here. Thank you. You bring in nothing back, boy, silver here. I just want to make it clear before the fake $30,000 goes out on YouTube tomorrow. The amount that was spent on that trip was $14,394.64. Just wanted to make that clear. Thank you. How much? And I want to let the book that knows that I was bought. 14,000 was 14,000 was personally went to that and we what about the table for the seat of Westminster? I am proud that to represent well. I want to see that received actually. I want to see that received public I agree you made that statement. We want to see it. Christine. No, I'm sorry. No, because we don't take words. No, no, no, we can't. Because we're calculating. We can make it. That's a great question. That's a great question. That's a great question. Remember. Please. No, order. Let's get back to the order. The item already voted and we move on with the next item. So the 5.8 continue from the August 14, 2024. Regular specific also meeting authorized a purchase order to acquire a metric sales accompanied for the purchase of sensors, O2GAN, meter reading devices. Water meters are parts for 3.1 inch and 2 inch cold water meters and large meter three inch through six inch For fiscal year of 2024 trend to 25 Prove a second Okay, we have a motion to prove and second under floor You guys I Have a motion made by council member member win second by vice mayor help This is to authorize the purchase of census auto gun meter reading devices water meters and parts from the aquabetric sales company in the amount of 900,000 for fiscal year 2024 25 I've got a call roll councilman fan west you know before I vote I just don't understand why Kimberly's going to be term out in November. You guys are wasting taxpayer money. I'm sorry. This is on item 5.8. I'm talking about 5.7. It's on agenda. I can sue speak. Yes, fair attorney. We are. Things on agenda. I can mention it quick, right? I can't. Can I mention quick? Let me ask you, once we finish voting on the item and moving on the other item already, especially that we have the motion on the floor. Motion and second on the floor. The next item is this possible pause to go back and talk about the other item. No, that item is finished. I thank you. But I briefly just mentioned that. Thank you. So go ahead and vote on item 5.8 please. 5.8 yes, Van West yes. Council member Monzo. Council member Wynne, vice mayor Hill. Yes, mayor Wynne. Yes. Mayor win. Yes. Motion carried 3-0. Thank you. At this point we don't have the columns. I will wait for them to come back. We need to pause. Now we have five members of council in the meeting today, tonight. And you know me, I'm very consistent with what we need to do because I can see the importance of the items. So at this time, I apologize that I have to call for recess for the closed item and we'll come back to the come back to the open session. So at this time. Wait, Mayor, were you wanting to take a recess or you wanted? I wanted to think of a recess for the closed session item. Okay. And we go. Thank you. What's it? I'm sorry. Thank you. This time the time is 10.59 on Wednesday, August 28. I would like to continue with the open session meeting. But before that, I would like to ask the city attorney to report out for closed session. Roca. Roca. Before that, the road got, sorry about that. Thank you, Mayor Winn. I'm here. Vice Mayor Ho. Councilman Van West. Councilman Verbanzso. Here. Councilmember Wain. Mayor, you have a quorum with Councilmember Wain, Councilmember Mouin, absent. Thank you. I just don't understand. This is the 6th time that I call for the co-section item on this. The reason I do that is because I can see the importance of why we have to do that. But then I don't know some of the council didn't see that. So we have, that's what we have to live with. So at this time here, before we continue, I would like to move item 5.14, 5.15, or 15 up before 5.9. And so on. Motion. Second. Okay. Motion. Second on floor. I have a motion made by Mayor Wynn, second by Councillor Murmando. This is to move agenda item 5.14 and 5.15 before 5.9. I'll go to call roll. Councillor McFen West. Councillor Murmando.5.9. I'll go to call roll. Councilman Fenwest. Councilmember Bonzo. Yes. Councilmember Win. The motion is to move agenda items 5.14 and 5.15 ahead of 5.9. 14. 13 and 14. No, 5.14 and 5.15 ahead of 5.9. In front of 5.9. Yes. Yes. Vice Mayor Hull. Yes. Mayor Wynn. Yes. 4-0 motion carried. So now item 5.14 review process for placement of agenda items. Recently you can see that the process is to have two council to put up the item on agenda. And I can see some of nonsense items that were put on the agenda wasting the CD and council, I mean CD resources and tax money. So I think that the prepossess is to have and fair processes to have the council, at least to the council, to bring it and actually dies at the Dias. I think that's fed from using or abusing the system so that we can do the business effectively. With that, I'm motion to approve this item. Can we talk dialogue about it? Hold on, let me finish my, and then you can be out for the talk. Okay. With that, I can, I'm motion to approve this item with the following amendments to the resolution. One, add a section immediately following all communication concerning non-achindal items to be business matters from city council and agency members, which is before the session AB-33, after oral communication then we are going to have the business matters so that seat also and agency member can go ahead and vote for that. Make this policy effective immediately and all pending City Council requested items shall be voted so that my motion. Mr. Good. Second to that. Mr. Tariqo, if not, and I'm going to ask the question. Let me hear Mr. Sire. I will call one by one, please. Why are you raising your voice, Mr. Mayor? That's what I have to say. That's the Mayor because you are all right. We will see. Before you make a motion. Yeah, we have to talk while you go again. Whatever you want to do. Before you make a motion, we will have to discuss around the more I have to say that the mayor is the one that's screaming. That's okay. We have a motion in second. But now what's the motion? I recognize you. Okay. I guess the attorney is this the whole. Let me have from the city of sunny. Well, first is there one that's screaming. That's okay. We have a motion in second, but now you're turn to speak. You are not recognized. Mr. Mayor, I'm Mr. City Attorney. Is this legal process for us to get it approved and effective immediately with this resolution tonight or the next meeting. Is that... Well, this concerns how items get on to the agenda. So as far as that's concerned, yes, that we've had a system like this in the past. So that's appropriate. The council controls the agenda. I heard in the motion that there was a desire to, I guess, remove any existing requests for future agendas, I guess by council members, I want to be sure I understand that part of it. That's all pending council of items requested earlier. Across the board. The staff and the policies. The policies should be start from today. So what I would say to that is that under Robert's rules a majority of the council has the right to decide what goes on the agenda or not on the agenda. So there's a right to make this motion, but you just have to make sure that there's opportunity to discuss that motion once it's made. So the council members are entitled to make their comments. And that it's a reasonable opportunity. Thank you. So, council member West, is your turn? You are recognized. opportunity. Thank you. So customer, what was your turn? You are recognized. Okay, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Number one, 5.14 is brought up by the mayor. The process of placing on the agenda, I know that we have in place already. We have where every one of us know and voted on last time that At Thursday is when you submit your agenda item to staff wishes Christine City manager, we don't talk to any of staff because there's an ordinance for that already So we only submit our agenda item to Christine and then Christine will work with us on you know the agenda item when the time she has free to work with us. And I know that we have that in place already. Why are you doing the same thing? History repeats itself because what I see is you did this in the last time with Thino. You silence his voice. You basically, you know, not allow him to speak. And the thing is that Charlie and Kimberly, you guys have your dad serve in the military, in the Vietnam War. And then you escape the commons regime. You know what they do, they are not thy. They are dictator. Why are you coming here and silence the voice of democratic process? Which is, District one has a voice for her, my district. District two have a voice for a district. District three, yes, have a voice for her district. District four have a voice for his district, but District one and four. We don't have a voice because you know we don't have three votes in your agenda item Is that we have to put it forward on the council meeting And then voted by the majority which is three vote to move anything and you know we don't have three votes So on purposely you're silencing District 1 and 4. And that's unacceptable. That's an American undemocratic process. And plus, if you guys look at Congress, they dispute all the time. And they still respect each other and get things done. But it takes time. Even a forefather, they fought like hell on different issues. But they come together to fight what's best, and then they vote on it. But the thing is that you can't silence the voice by, because you know, we won't ever able to put anything on the agenda, because we don't have three votes. We would never have three votes. And that's not right for District One. What if it had sin? You know, something like that happened. And they, the community seeking for justice. We can't put it on the agenda because you know guys don't want it. And then our District One or whoever in the City of Westminster, we can't represent Mr. Mayor. This is insane. Very insane. We can't represent them and it's not fair and it's not just. And you escape communism, you know what that's like. That's dictatorship and we don't ever want that. And so the thing is that when you... Shh, please. Mr. Mayor, no, no, please. That's how it's finished. Go ahead. Goodness, thank you Mr it's finished. Go ahead. Goodness, thank you Mr. Mayor for controlling the audience. So, seriously. Okay. Okay. So, you know, the thing is that Mr. Mayor, you know, I just really want you to think about it. I know you don't always agree with me on things. And we might jive in different areas because of the age different. Maybe the thing how I address this different, maybe how you address this a little different. And it's OK. If there's everyone who's like Charlie, then why would you need another Charlie? If there's everyone like Amy, why would you need another Charlie? Right? If there's everyone like Amy, why would you need another one? So that's why I like the differences. It makes us better. This is the council of different backgrounds, different beliefs, different values, and it's okay. That's a democratic process and let us dialogue, let us debate, let us dispute, and let us bring things to discuss. And Menzo, you know the democratic process. You would hate for someone to silence yourself. He's a Democrat. I know. Are you talking to him? If you were talking that I have to stop her. No. I'm talking. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. You can talk. Thank you. Nam Kwa. So the thing is I'm saying, none of us like to be silenced. This is America. We know the freedom we have here. So let us have the democratic process to speak out and talk about it. And plus you guys have three votes already. At least we can dialogue about issues in the city and issue that concerns some of the resident that wants us to fight for them. If it's a LGBT flag, like Monzo wanted to bring it up last time, at least we did have a dialogue, right? We didn't silence Monzo and Kimberly's seconded. So the thing is, I think it's important, Mr. Mayor, I can't even focus when the activists are allowed to interrupt all the time, Mr. Mayor. I can't even hear. I can't move through my concentration. Why are you allowed? I can't even talk. Don't think that the case is okay, so please. No, please. It's very obvious. We're welcome to be. You're sad with that. So if you can help me, if you can help me, I will make the same thing to them. If they don't, if you don't do that, then see can't do that. Okay, same thing. So I ask you not to do that, please. Are you talking to the audience? Now you can go ahead and continue your, but I just want to remind you that if you are talking something new, then I will okay with that. But if you are repeating yourself, then I have to stop you. Mr. Mayor, because they keep interrupting me. I'm losing my train of thought. Right now, right now, see, they are not, I'll just stop them already. So you so you want to go on. I do, but if I do repeat something, I'll not. Right now. I'll just have to remind you. Please. Okay, Mr. Mayor. I just lost my train of thought. But if I repeat again, then you have to remind me. Okay, stand there. They already went into that. Why don't we do this? Thank you very much. I will come back to you. So council member, council member, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm Carlos, but up here please be professional and address it by you. You've done the same for me on the dias. You know that. Don't be hypocrite. You tell me to control. And now you are chuping me. He's being a hypocrite. Well, not being a hypocrite. Did you say that? He's trying to make his point. So please, right now and I will come back to you, please. Continue. And up here on the diacet city council party is a relevant. This we're here to represent the city and what's best with the city, not our national views. And everybody knows me, knows that, about me. So please stop bringing national views to our city. It's about what's best for the community When I heard this Yeah, I was totally against it at first, but unfortunately we have a situation where Council members are abusing Abusing the current policy and Just wasting a lot of taxpayer money. It costs the city, we have to pay for our city attorney. A lot of staff time, their staffs are already under staff in every department. It's just creating a lot of unnecessary extra work that shouldn't be being wasted. And if we were more responsible than we wouldn't be in the situation we are now. If this goes through and one of my colleagues, there's a matter who it is, brings up an item that's for the community, for the benefit of the community. And it's going to be a positive thing all second and I'll vote for anybody. But to bring items that are, in my opinion, there are some other ones that we have today and we had them last meet. It's not even city business. If you bring something similar to that, of course, I'm not going to vote for it. But if you bring items, and I've been one, the second multiple times councilmember West's ideas, when there were good ideas, I second them, because there were good ideas. But if you're going to bring items, frivolous items like this, of course not. It is be responsible, and I don't want to, originally when I saw this, I said no, no way, but unfortunately we're in a situation where we are right now and the things change and maybe we'll change again, but with the current situation, and let's just try to see where it goes, because right now it's just chaos, complete chaos. And unfortunately this is what we got to do, and that's why I'm seconding it. So. All right, thank you very much. Council member Muayn, did I call? Council member Muayn yet? No. Okay, Council member Muayn. All right, thank you Mr. Mayor. You know what I'm very disappointed that this came from you. You proud that you championed for democracy and you are a victim of the communist regime, and then you don't understand any of this when we came here for freedom, for the freedom of speech and all the people down there. I am very disappointed. You guys don't treasure that what you have. The thing that we have, you know what? We can have different opinions. You know, we can fight, we can argue, but the treasure that the United States gave us, the Constitution gave us is freedom of speech. And right now right here your voice, your voice was depressed. Well, this is insane. You know what? Very few times I heard one of the cost constituent like Khaedao. He went up here and then he mentioned about the idiot, what the idiot, me. At first I don't agree with him, but for now, I thought that I think that is right. Let me ask you, staff, out of 34 cities in the OC, in the OECA, how many cities have this kind of policy? We actually just didn't do the research on that to find out what the policy was. There was no policy, there was no research that was done I think in 2019, 2021 regarding this, but we just don't have that data right now. You know what, let me tell you this, let me answer that question. Okay, not a lot of CD in 34 CD has this kind of stupid resolution that because they trust the voice of the people, you should send yourself. Send down there and applause for just disgrace, resolution like this. Disgrace grace man. I think you know what, Kelsa member, so this will stand your entire political career and for the rest of your life, you're gonna feel very, very know, looking at it. You are proud that you are making it, okay? And then you go against every single value of the American. Okay? You should assume it yourself, you know? I don't know how can you go back and look at your children and your grandchildren in the face in the eyes. And you talk, Mr. Mayor. Please. Please. Please don't bring my children into this. Yeah, please. Oh, yes. It's my apology. My apology. My apology. You know? And I don't know what to say, but this is a disgrace to the city. Mr. Mayor, can you keep order please? If you can help me, then I would do the same to them. If you continue to do the same, then they will. How many times have we... We have to remind you please. I ask you remind you please. Please. I ask you. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. It's okay, but don't repeat it. No, I hear you. I hear you very loud. Okay, I'm not repeating. Just kidding, Mr. Namguang, speak please. You know what, just go one by one bullet point, you say what any member of the council accept the mayor pushing to place an item on the agenda. Yeah. You are a mayor, you're not king. Oh, who? Right, so right now you have so much power. We have to balance the power so the people's voice can be listened. Yeah. Right? Okay. For now, if, for now, this is one, this is four, don't have the voice. But let's say, sometimes, you know, down the line, when you and vice-male or want to have a different opinion with the man, then you know what you're gonna do. And next please. Okay, let me ask staff this. The fourth bullet point. If the council majority approved the request staff will work with the request and council member to determine the next available date, the item can reasonably be on the agenda. So can you explain that? That was part of what the process was before because there are going to be some items that you're going to ask for that it requires that you know research. That's where we would require some extra time. For example, if it's related to a law or a code or something to that extent, that's going to require more work. That's where we would discuss. So that's why there are some items that have been requested in the past. It's not necessarily automatic that it's on the next agenda, but it just depends on what that item is and how much time is required. One of my most concern is the brow act, how can you keep that from happening? Because right now we need like three votes. So the way that, so the way that the way that this process worked before was that because you placed the city at risk, right? Mr. Mayor? I guess you asked the city manager a question. Left over as long as you can. Okay. Okay. Go ahead. See. Okay. Go ahead. See you. See the manager? Sorry. Yeah, no, I'm just re-reading it one more time. Any member of the can, okay. So the way that this worked before, and this is presumably how it would work this time. So there's a section at the end of the agenda where someone would say, I would like to make a motion for this particular item. Somebody else would second it and then the council as a whole would then vote on it and if it gets approved, whoever that council member that you know that a place the item on so it's really just one council member placing the item on so it's just staff working with one member. Not all the people that approve the item. Okay. I'd like to be placed. Yeah. Let me ask you this question because right now for a simple if I place an item on the agenda and second by customer won't find where and the process is going to be, I'm going to approve the content, right? You have to go through, you have to wait for customer member, where has to approve it either, right? So no, so this is for, this is, it's a single person. The second doesn't necessarily make that person a co-author. The second is just putting it on the agenda. If you made a request for an item, let's say you wanted to talk about sidewalks or something of that nature. Once it's approved to be put on the agenda, staff would then work with you for your item. But I'm talking about a current process. The current process, I'm sorry, so the current process is you have two who would make a request. Send it to me, send it to me, let me know by whatever the deadline is. So you have the maker and the second. And so we would then talk about what that item is, draft it. Send it to the maker and the second for revisions, et cetera. That's the current process. Okay, so for the new one, if this was implemented in the past, okay, you don't need to go through the second and the third one. How do you? So allowing to place for an item to be agendas is different from the actual agenda item itself and the person who is the author of that item or who is making that request. So you as a council member would under this new section of the agenda would say that you would like to agenda item related to whatever it is. And then somebody would just make us a second. So it would just be a motion. You would require a majority vote to then have that item be allowed to be placed on a future agenda. That's where we would make the determination at that moment when that item would be placed. But once we as staff know that this item is going to be on the agenda, we would then go back to whoever made that request, which would be you. And we would work on obviously the report when it would be on the agenda, etc. Okay, let me have a question. Thank you, Christine. This question for the attorney. So you said that, okay, please, if you already make that statement, okay, I want you to repeat it again. You said that every pending resolution or pending will be legally canceled if the majority of the council passed the resolution today. Correct. Okay. So how come the new policy going to go back to affect the all-go in, you know? Yeah, because the council can change its policy and that's what the motion is doing. It's great. I think the policy going to go forward not going backward. It's not how the law is working. Yeah and you can certainly argue that but the motion is the motion is to cut off prior ones. Okay so that that's the motion, but that's the motion from the majority and the majority wants to do this. That kind of thing. But it doesn't make that there right, right? Legally, the majority of the council controls the agenda. So something could be on the agenda tonight, and they could make a motion to take no action or to pull it off. As long as there's sufficient debate and an opportunity to talk about that motion, that's a legitimate motion to pull the item. Right, okay. Which is the same thing here. All right, I understand that, but for the pending items that was placed by me and Amy. Okay, so the all ordinance, the all policy apply for that, you can just make up a new resolution and go back to the past to make something that worked for you. In your favor. You can argue that that's not fair or it's not right but legally they could do that. That's what I would say. Legally they can pull items off the future agenda, which is what they'd be doing by doing. Saying that although it was authorized previously, we're not going to allow any council generated items that were already authorized. They're going to have to be reissued. That's what the motion is saying. So legally that's, I'm only just telling you what's that yeah, that's why I want to hear yeah You know what I'm going to Let me see if I have some nails to say Right so Yeah, if you're not a shame of yourself, you know, okay, just go ahead and pass it. But I just want to, I want to say, I just said what I want to say. All right, thank you very much. I would like to recognize President. Well, I'm going to say what has not been said. Okay, so when I read this, I was like, oh, okay. Of course, there's a reason I understand that there's a reason to do this. There's a need. There's been a lot of waste of time. Our council time, our residence time and resource, meaning money. And a lot of game playing schemes. So, you know, where gets to a point where we kind of, we're crippling ourselves is we're not moving forward. The city's business, we're not able to. So I think there is a need. So with 5.14 in place, we hope that we'll be able to stop all that so that we could do the people's business. And Councilwoman West, I've seconded you more times than you have seconded mine. So I have no problem whatsoever giving anybody a second if it's an agenda that is a good agenda. If I feel like it is good for the community and I've proven that, I've done that. So I just think that this is good for now. And I think that, of course, whenever, whenever, I mean, it doesn't mean that it's forever like that, right? The mayor. So we can always change that. But for now, I think it's necessary. Thank you. Thank you. I believe that we have the motion and the second on the floor. Mr. Mayor, I thought you'd come back to me finishing up. Okay, right. I'm trying to find out. Okay, go ahead. Thank you. While I was reading this, it's really disturbing. I'm trying to find out what you're doing. I'm trying to find out what you're doing. I'm trying to find out what you're doing. I'm trying to find out what you're doing. I'm trying to find out what you're doing. I'm trying to find out what you're doing. I'm trying to find out what you're doing. I'm trying to find out what you're doing. I'm trying to find out what you're doing. You second, let's start with Ms. Kimmerley. You second me more than I have second your items. That's correct, because let me remind you again, the agenda for recognizing women of the month. You second mine, that's great, I really appreciate that, because that bill and add into the community. You second mine when we talk about small businesses, right? Because you're a business woman. So I thought you would be a good person to second that. And so those are good to support a small business in honoring them. But I don't know what you brought up that I can be your second. I mean, if you brought up more, I would be your second if you asked me. But so far, the, if you brought up more, I would be your second if you asked me. But so far, the only thing you brought up to me, my attention was the monument, the Guangji, monument that you have put in the container in Utah that you want to brought up. And I told you I will be your second. If we do it after the Vietnamese New Year because during the New Year, we don't want to bring stress to the community, but you would not allow that to happen because you said you need to get it done before a new year, during New Year. I don't know what agenda you have, but you said you need to get done and I go no, I would not be your second before the New Year. After, yes, and we can talk about it. But you didn't want that. And then also when you say, be my second regarding, actually talking about the mayor where he doesn't have to do all the certificate, but to allow you to be able to do the certificates for the death of Hassan, small., and I said that's a good idea. I even mentioned to you that we should bring it up again, but you never did. You say you will pass notes, and you say you will be my second to do that, but you never did. I would be your second on that, Kimberly. I think that's a great idea. You know what I mean? That's balance, check and balance, and I'm very fond to know before you make a... Can you write about it? Are you sure? Yeah, and I will have come back to you. Okay, and so, you know, it's disturbing. And then you said you know very well that this agenda would work because you did it before when you have the majority to censure Thido and you did it. And I have the proof here that you vote yes for it. So this seems like a way of when you need to silence someone, a voice for your convenient, you vote for it. So this seems like a way of when you need to silence someone, a voice for your convenient, you vote for it. So you flip flop whenever it's convenient for you. And I don't think that's right. It should not be politely motivated for conveniences to silent your opponents. That's unacceptable. It's undemocratic, un-American. You've seen it nationwide when President Biden, administration-chized, silence-president Trump, former president Trump. So the thing is that you see, and then social media, big tech silencing a voice. You know, why would you be okay with silencing another person's voice when you use witnesses? You know if they don't like what your voice is on social media, they'll silence you. So that's what I'm saying Mr. Monzo and Kimberly, Miss Kimberly and Charlie miss Mr. Mayor Like it is so important that we see what's going on in our nation, the big tech silencing a voice, and different parties, different political purposes, silencing a voice. Why would we do this for the convenience of the moment to silence an opponent? Why would we do that? And so I just answered Kimberly. Now let me, Miss Kimberly, Now let me mischem, mischem, Kimberly. So let me go to what Mr. Monso said earlier. So you said, I call you out that you're a hypocrite because you said that, let me try to remember what you said. I just wrote down hypocrite. Because you said, do you guys, Mr. Monso, do remember what you said regarding that I do something. And I go, you're hypocrite too, because, call names. Call me by first name. You guys call me by first name. We can go, excuse me, you call. You call me Amy first name. We can go back. Excuse me. You call me Amy or Camerleamus. Oh, have called me Camerle. And it's just, we accent doesn't mean we disrespect you. And don't get butt hurt and your pants are tied up for that. You know what I mean? You've done it before. Everyone have done it before. You're professional. Okay. Anything that you accuse me of, all of you guys have done that. We have all witnessed it. You guys accused me of leaving the dice too. Often you guys left the dice today too. You guys want to bathroom break? I did too. We look at our phones. We did too. We call each other accident by first name because we're you said. And we all have done that. So that's a hypocrite. Don't say that all have done it. So that's a hypocrite. Don't say that you've never done it. You've done it. No, Helen. You can write down your notes, please. And then the other thing is you say, I waste time on non-agenda item. And that's why you approve of this to silence my voice. Give me proof. Give the people proof. When I put things that are wasting the people's time. Mr. Nam Guang put up the, I guess, religious freedom fighting for that monkey. I think that's normal. And we should always fight for religious freedom. And I thought that's something you guys would agree to, you know what I mean? So that's why I don't see anything. Give us example. When we put an item on that is a disgrace and wasting time. Okay? I would appreciate that actually. If you tell us concrete evidence instead of making a statement without facts backing it up. And I've seen that a lot on the Stias from the three of you guys. Okay, so the other thing is I was looking at the agenda. I took a lot of notes as you guys can see because I'm curious on your statement and I read everything between the I read through every line. So when you said right here, I guess Mr. Mayor, when I read through this, where it says right here, hold on just a second here. So, where is it here? Okay, so, I just feel reading through this is that you feel like, because it point, the second to the last point. And Mr. Mayor, I know the city doesn't only belong to you, belongs to four of the other council member and the people of Westminster as well. And so when you silence our voice and exclude you, when you say rules for thee but not for me. And it's why is that? You have one vote, we all have one vote, but you have the tide of the mayor, you sign everything and we appreciate that. But the thing is that when you tell us to do this, have three votes, you don't, to present it, an item, and now you don't have to do this, have three votes. You don't, to present it, an item. And now you don't have to do it. And we have given you so much power, Mr. Mayor, when you came on as Mayor. Because we trust you'd be fair and just. That's why we didn't ask for you to have a second. Because we believe that you were fair and just Mayor. Now we believe in you. And now not only that you make us have three votes, fair and just mayor. Now we believe in you. And now not only that you make us have three votes, meaning you never allow us to have a voice. And you already have three votes. You shut everything down. We've seen it in the last few months, Mr. Mayor. And I know if you're a fair mayor for all the council, that's one thing that bothers me is that when I talk to the mayor of different cities, let's start with the mayor of Garne Grove. And he said, I asked him, if activists come and call out the council member on his dius, would he defend them? And he said yes all the time, even though some of them are Democrat, some are independent and some are Republican, he's still Defender. Okay, so the things that he doesn't care the party line, he's able to work with all of them, Mr. Mayor. And so the thing is that he protect the council that we work so hard to get the seat, Mr. Mayor. And it should be honored not to be disdain. Okay, Council Member West, you have a lot of time that you go the second round already. Let me ask Citi Attorney how much is enough? Does any other council member have comments? Yes, I will have to be fair with the other two for the second round. And so I would think that I have let her get enough time for how to, most of the thing that I hear is just repeatedly again. And it's just like accusation and I guess to the point that I think HZ had enough. So I'd like to call for Vice Mayor Hall to go ahead and go for second round. Okay, so my point was that my point was not to get into an argument with Ms. West here. When I said that it was an example, I merely said that I have supported you in the past is all I said right and I see heads nodded so I don't get argumentative. So since you brought up the fact that what you did not second of my agenda, and actually, I'll bring this up, but you know, again, I'm not a very argumentative type of person, only when it is for the, you know't really serve the purpose well, but I'm just going to mention it once. I don't want an argument. But since you mention it, I will mention it. The reason you don't second my agenda more than you have done in the past, and I've appreciated, however many times, I didn't count. But it's because you hijacked my agenda when I called you over the holiday with Christmas around then, then some kind of holiday. I don't remember. And initially, I wanted you to make it as your agenda, because it was regarding the reaffirmation of the flag if you guys remember. And there was a resolution, I mentioned that was a resolution 20 years ago made by former mayor Treetah, and that it's something that you can reaffirm, and I will be happy to second you. But then I didn't hear back from you. I actually, and then I went ahead and, you know, make sure I didn't miss the deadline. I went ahead and put it on an agenda. So meaning I was the main person and then somebody else was a second. So you went around me, you hijacked it, and you made it your own agenda. So I thought that was really odd, but okay, I let it go, because you know what, I've got so much to do, I've got a business run, I've got things to do, this is not my entire life here on the council. So second, regarding the agenda you mentioned about the certificate of what do we call it? Memorium. Memorium certificate. Yes, I initially wanted that, but then you wanted me in exchange, you wanted me to second yours, and you proposed that I second yours so that you can have your own name on the certificate. So to which you said, I said, no, I would not second that. And that's the reason why I kind of aborted the whole idea. Because I thought that was not, I mean, if you're gonna second mine, then second mine, I didn't propose that for the Hacin family. It was because I see other cities did it and when we were in need of a memorial certificate, I realized that we didn't have one. I didn't include that in our policy. So when you asked me to do something like that, I thought, oh my gosh, she's going to be giving out these certificates like candy. So I said, no, that's okay. So I aborted the whole idea and that's why you guys never saw that. I just wanted to answer her because she did go into detail okay so those are the two things but what my point here is not that I'm sitting here counting how many and just like you did I'm just merely saying look if you if there's an agenda when this passes item 5.14 if you bring an agenda on and it's good for our city I've seconded you before and I will second you again. So regardless of who it is on this dius, that's all I wanna say. Thank you. Thank you very much. Council Member Mezzard, do you want to have your second round? I just wanna say that this is, as you all can witness, people who come here and regulars, you see what's going on. People who watch on TV, those what's going on. So there's nothing I don't want to see here in Baker, back and forth because I just feel, you know, and I say this everywhere, people can say whatever they want. Those are just words. Your actions is what counts the most. So people see everybody's actions and and that's who you truly are is who you show who you show you are so that's all I got thank you customer when I know that the when the first time around I let you go all the way but I'll be in fair I give you the second round too. All right thank you Mr. Mayor to be in fair. Ms. Hold you know I it is kind of funny you know sitting here and listening all the lies that you you just mentioned. Please. Mr. Mayor. Please. You know what? You are such a flip flopper. And then when you talk about, you second mind, either, and then it's very, very last minute, and then you withdraw it because you just strive deal with the mayor, or Carlos Manzo. And you know, and this is an an ethical and it happens so many times, not one time. And you're talking about hijacking an item. You and the man are the ones that hijacked an item from Miss West. Come on. You know what? We have to go through so many hours to talk about that. And you guys used like what? The power of the three. That you know, you can do whatever that you want to and Talking about a certificate. Okay, the what you call what is the the memorial certificate? The death certificate that's a certificate and we should, the one that you know that you they want to hand to to give to the the victim up there in the ebiacidate. Yeah exactly. Let me remind you this and let me make it clear to you guys and let the memoriam. Yes, the memoriam. Mr. Mayor, you know that, so the lines be the truth. Okay, let me repeat it. The memoriam certificate, right? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Let me remind Vice Mayor Hall and the one that is watching right now. The reason, the reason that you don't have that memoriam certificate because the mayor didn't want you to, because- Exactly. Is that right, Mr. Mayor? Okay, we vote for that also, okay? Yeah. You and Council Member Manzo really want to have that. And you even, you archindized that want to have that. And even you, you, I should ask that item to be discussed. Am I right? For the record, okay, let me ask the city attorney and staff, do we actually discuss about that memoriam certificate did we? So just stop lying. You are representing ride in, talking, you know, about everything. The people out there, they saw it. And if they don't see it, I am going to voice it out. Thank you very much. So that we have a motion and second floor. Let me have an answer from Mr. Mayor. Can I have an answer from the city manager? You wanted to know when it was agendized, it was. No, you want to ask, we discussed about it. Yes, we did discuss about it. Yes, you did, you did discuss about it. All right, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. We have motion on the floor so call for the vote please. Thank you. I have a motion made by Mayor Winn. Seconded by Councillor Monzo. This is to amend the process regarding the number of Councillor members it takes to place the night among the agenda as outlined in the staff report. An adopted and amended resolution entitled a resolution of the mayor and city council of the city of Westminster California. Receding resolution number 5273 to reestablish the order of business to be followed in regular meetings the city council. And add a section to the agenda immediately following oral communications concerning non agenda items to be listed as business matters from City Council slash agency members and Make this policy effective immediately and all pending City Council requested items shall be void it. Thank you. I've got a call roll Councilwoman fan west You know, I've never before I vote I've never seen anything like this Mr. Mayor Okay Yeah, the thing is that you this is a complete Perfect dictator commiss dictator. That's what they silence people over there. You can't even dispute You can't bring anything up to talk Okay, like that's how you science your opponent. That's what we saw in Now nation right now and you were allowing that locally here Well, we are so close to the public that we can actually help them We Congress and states and it's hard to Mr. Mayor so What is your vote? You're going to regret what you're doing. We've been discussing about it so now it's time for the vote. This is an American call for the vote. An American and we're Americans. We're not a commonist dictator here. We're Americans and so therefore I vote no to silence the first amendment right of district one and four. Next. Councillor Romano. This is not about silence, it's about pace. I mean items on the agenda policy. So my vote is yes. Councillor Irwin. No. Vice Mayor Hoh. It's just, Mayor, I just want to make one comment. Yes. Okay, in it. Okay. Because I was being accused of lying, Council Member, when I just want to remind you that that certificate agenda was going to come back. We did not finish and it was going to be a agendaize another time. So don't call me a liar. So the answer is yes. Mr. Mayor Kennery, this phone really quick. No, no, no, no. We are at the U.S. just a liar. You are real liar. No, I mean you already have your chance, okay? Mayor Wynne. Yes. Motion carried three, two. more. You know, whatever you accuse me, I'm proud of myself. I'm here. I continue to continue to proud yourself. And also that this is the story. You can call yourself in the back. It's okay. Where you sit here. You're already voted for this time to come to my vote, okay? You are the worst of the worst man in the history of the world. I'm from the past. I could not. I let say anybody, every one of you have the chance to bring up the item at this council at the end of the meeting so that we can say. Okay. So the Joe. My vote is yes. That's a joke. Okay. Three, two, motion carried. Thank you. Next item is item 5.15. 515. Consider the implementation of a policy to limit the amount of time each council member has for discussion of an agenda item. And for this item, you know, you can see that we kept going on and on and on and we are not using each other and then I can see that it's not effective to run the meeting without you know, orderly fashion that people have to respect each other. So I am being fair by having- Because you don't let us talk. I should also talk for five minutes, and then we can come back for another five minutes. And at the same time, in the stop report, if you read it, it's also mentioned that if there is a consequence, if there is a violation to that. And it's up to the council to vote for that. And I will motion to implement a policy limiting to the council discussion as stated in the staff report. And make this policy effective immediately after if it passes. So at this time here, I'd like to open up for the discussion. Let me start with Councilmember West. Wait, is there a second to that? Yes, a second to that. Can I talk? Wait, wait, wait, hold on. According to the, is there a second to this? A second. Okay, and now we have motion and second on the floor. second to this. Second. Okay, and now we have motion and second on the floor. So, so, Mr. Thank you. You are now recognized. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Mr. Attorney, before we continue on for me addressing 5.15, why did you guys skip 5.9? That is my agenda item that we can talk. You are missing that. We are moving that. Then you need to come back to it. Yes, yes. We will come back to it. Yes, you have to. Yeah, you missed that. You started to move at a 5.14 and 5.15 up a bit. We're going to revisit that. You're going to move to the next agenda item? No, no, no, no, to that tonight. Okay, move up. What do you mean we're going down toward the end? 5.14 and the 5.15 were moved forward so that they come first and so after this next item is done it will go to 5.9. Okay, thank you. That's my only verification. Okay, so 5.15. So I was reading it. And you know what? Actually this agenda item was it from NAMGWAN Councilman that you wanted the five minutes for each of the council and council member from Garden Grove, Jo Do Vin wanted a five minute recommendation for us to function in our council better? Yes I did and somebody had jacked my item. That's true because we don't have to vote anyway. Okay. Okay. So let me, November might be different so I'm excited about November. Okay. So let me continue. Thank you Mr. Mayor. Limit the amount of time each council member. I asked City Attorney earlier, this seems like another way of silencing a voice again. But I guess you said that Mr. Mayor just won one round of five minutes, but you suggest to Mr. Mayor legally, instead of getting sued, get another round of five minutes. So I appreciate city attorney for advocating for free speech and not being sued. I appreciate that. And thank you, Mr. Mayor, for listening to city attorney's voice on that. And you know, the thing is, I just feel like everything on this limitation under the California government code section 36513 stated any person who persistently interrupt the proceeding of the council who's speaking basically shall be guilty of a Mr. Meanor. How do you, who's going to keep them, I mean, it's a chief, going to book us, you know, and call it and say, we got Mr. Meanor Senate team that want the city jail for Mr. Meanor for interrupting the proceeding. And plus any person, so is that including Mr. for interrupting the proceeding. And plus any person, so is that including Mr. Mayor as well when some council speak and you interrupt? Any person who persistently interrupt the proceeding of a council, any council speaking, during her has time, then shall be guilty of a Mr. Meiner. So number one my question is how are we going to implement it and then number two does that involve the mayor as well if he interrupt another council who's speaking five minutes. Mr. City Attorney can you verify that? This is a very difficult question. Clearly they're supposed to be order at meetings and there are rules regarding decorum and council being able to adopt rules and as is cited here, 36, I think 503, I think it might actually be 813. Allows these rules to be adopted and it does say to punish that what's not clear is what happens if there's continuous disruption. What I will say in my conversations with the mayor about this concern is the need to protect the right of an elected official to have a voice. And that's what we talked about and I think that's what's occurred here tonight. When there's a motion out there, you have a right to a reasonable opportunity to speak on that motion. And we talked about two five minute periods as being reasonable and that if a majority of the council still wants to talk about it, then we need to keep talking about it. You need to allow that. But trying to set some kind of reasonable standard. That's protecting the free speech aspects. Like we give the people from the public come up and they get five minutes. So council members or five minutes, excuse me, that's what I'm. Right, so three minutes are doubled and it's six minutes. Right, so five minutes and then five minutes on top of that. For council members who are elected. They have free speech rights not only as a citizen but also free speech rights according to the courts to represent their constituents. That's correct. So we have to protect that. And so there's laws that talk about removal of the public from meetings and they don't specifically reference public officials. And so this is a very difficult question and it's not one that I would quickly rush to to encourage that sort of thing. We need to do everything we can and I think we are doing everything we can to get through this meeting in a respectful way and not have to remove somebody on the council for disrupting. The audience has a different standard and there's state law that governs that. So I'm not sure if I'm answering your question but what I would say is the effort needs to be made here and I think is being made here to allow each council member an opportunity to speak for a reasonable period of time and once that's met There shouldn't be disruption Because there's no longer about free speech now about disrupting disrupting the meeting and the ability to go forward with the meeting and so Those are the principles that I think we need to try and protect here. They're the right to speak But once there's been a right to speak then the right for the body to move forward on the motion. That's on the table. Thank you. So I guess you have an answer the second part. How you manage Mr. Meener. How you going to monitor that? How you going to regulate that? Well part of it is self-regulating. As elected council members you need to respect one another and adopt the council's allowed to adopt a process and then follow that process. On of the chair who's trying to run the meeting in a orderly manner. Again I don't run the meeting. I always get it from the audience. Why aren't you controlling it? The chair runs the meeting and the chair does it. The majority sets the rules and they can change those rules. And the key thing is protecting that free speech right of each of the elected officials. And all I can say when it comes to officials is we don't just kick them out of council meetings for no reason. There'd have to be something very clear and problematic before something like that could occur. I don't think you answer the first one, so you can turn it. Section 3681, any person who interrupt proceeding of a council's time, does that involve the mayor as well? Include the mayor as well. I think what I'm saying there is the one- Any person. I think you're referring to the municipal code section. The middle section of code section 36513. When it says any person who interrupt the proceeding of the council who's speaking, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. So any person, or is that include the mayor? All right. Well, yeah, again, there's a law that's drafted and then there are cases on this that specifically, but it does say a member. It may punish a member or other person for disorderly behavior at a meeting. But what does that mean? And punish again, we're going through right now, going through the process of a censure and trying to punish, but there's limits on that punishment, which is that they can remove from boards and commissions, but you can't do other things, you can't remove that person from office, so there's limits. So what does punishment mean? So what I'm trying to say to you is as a council you need to come up with your own self-regulation here and fair and reasonable rules and try to honor the process but honor each other also in giving them each other a right to speak. Mr. City Attorney thank you for that honoring the process and giving each other the right to speak is so important. But I don't see that in this one 5.15 or earlier previous 5.14 item. And I know that you have vised them on this, but I don't think the majority sees it. So, you know, it's just really sad to me to see that being on the council in America, that there's no different than being in a third-world country, a communist country or socialist. I just don't understand. If we go to Mr. Mayor, can you address the crowd that they stopped talking so I can have my travelogue? They didn't talk to you loudly. It's my other laugh, okay? It's just that I can't do anything about it. Just like they are clapping their hands. I can't do anything about it. If they are speaking, then I will ask them to go outside. But really? Yes. So the first lap? We clap. Clap to the hands. Let me tell you this. We will talk. You want me to talk or not? No. Let me respond to you. Okay, come on. Say it. When they do public speaking, the club in their hands didn't I? Didn't I? I can't stop that. Can I? No, you have to keep order. How about you? You did that too. You allow the public but the council. So this is because your active mess and the other half of the class is after that. Then clap the hand. Let's see the attorney. Let the city attorney tell me that. Okay. See the attorney. No. I withdraw of what I withdraw with what I just said. I ask you to tell me which way is the right way. No, I'm not going to. I am asking a new question. You guys want to fire the guy. Yeah, you guys want it. Let me ask you once again, city attorney. When they are giving the public comments and they clap their hand, can I stop them not the collapse of your hand? I told me before that I'm just going to give you the legal answer. Yes. You can tell them to stop clapping. Yeah. Okay. But can I tell them? But what if it's happened all the time? And yeah, very often. Okay, so there is a government code and it says that when you are disrupting the meeting, disrupting, it has to be actually disrupting the meeting. That's what I'm saying. Then you give warnings and you can kick someone out of the meeting. So if people are clapping, you can warn them and say, I need you to respect. We're trying to hear what's going on up here This is disrupting the meeting you're talking back or you're clapping or you're standing up all of that you can correct them on and If you can identify specific individuals or even a group of people that are consistently doing that and disrupting the meeting It has to actually be disrupting the meeting. That's right. You can warn them and then kick them out. Yes. Tell me it's actually disrupting the meeting because I know that you won't be there. Yes. You won me before. So now I'm going to I am going to take your words for that. But don't tell me. Don't tell me. And don't scream at him. Yeah. Hey, I have the right to talk to him. Just say it. You don't do what you do to him. In a respectful way. Yeah, you tell us to respect. I'm talking to him. No, just don't point at him. I'm talking to him. Let me talk to him. I'll tell you that. Before you told me this r clap their hand, that means it's not this real, it's dropping, it's dropping. So now you're challenging. Hands is this dropping. If it does, it's wrong, I'm doing it. If that's the case, I will take it and I'll go on. Yeah. There's quiet clapping, there's loud clapping. So it's a context situation. What is happening? If they're disrupting the. So it's a context situation. What is happening? If they're disrupting the meeting, and you're not able to continue, and they keep doing something, clapping could constitute a disruption. But if people are just, that probably wouldn't qualify, even though it's clapping. So I'm just telling you, it has to be an actual disruption. You have to warn them and that would be a basis for taking. I will take that and I ask you please. They are your people. Yeah, you know the group. I don't care. Who does it all the time? They are their people, your people. Yeah. OK, I just ask the police please can you ask me that okay? If they are not your people see the kisses just say it. Yeah, tell me. Yeah, Charlie. Yeah All my people I Say what evidence? All right, I'm serving the Palace I'm serving the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the House of the disruptive what Mr. City Attorney's Secretary. I will take that on. I will take that on. Okay, then I won't. All right, please. You know keep order. Yes, please. Keep order. Thank you. So I ask you please. I will work with me. So thank you Mr. Mayor. You don't need to thank me. I took my job. Okay, but I've also for a lot of please. In respectful. In respectful, dude. If you ask me to do that, then you have to respect to the process. Be quiet. I already recognize. I just say thank you. No, you. He did. I say thank you. I respect you. Can he sit still? I said stop now. Just go and give it to me. Please. We are colleagues. We're not kids. We're not your kids. You're your turn. Okay, we're colleagues. You're not kids. We're just with respect. All right, we have to listen to a Koso Memboi Menzo. Yeah. We're ready. Go ahead. Koso Membo Menzo. You never have such professionalism in my life. In my life. Ever. And this is coming from a guy who works in construction with people. Exactly. There you go. They lost the quorum. Here you go. Can you take a five? Can you just sit? Five minute break. Yeah. I'm going to be a little bit more careful. I'm going to be a little bit more careful. I'm going to be a little bit more careful. I'm going to be a little bit more careful. I'm going to be a little bit more careful. I'm going to be a little bit more careful. 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And at this time here if there is no more discussion on this, so I'd like to call for the vote. I have a motion made by Mayor Winn, seconded by Vice Mayor Hull. This is to implement a policy limiting city council discussion and stated in the staff report and make this policy effective immediately. I will call roll. Councillor Romandum. Yes. Vice Mayor Hull. Yes. Mayor Wynn. Yes. Motion carried 3-0. Thank you. Staff, do you know that the other two cars are still in the house? They left. I saw that we have four members of the city council here. I am going to take the last recess for the closed section item. Again, this is the seventh time you can see how important that is. And I hope that this time they realize that it's the important that before we discuss the item under agenda today. This is last and final call for a recess of the closed section item which plays under agenda today. So five minutes one is set. We need a voice and district one so hopefully she's there. All right. 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You're okay, Mayor Wayne. I'm sorry. You're okay. Mayor Wynne. I'm here. Vice Mayor Ho. I'm here. Councilman Fan West. Council Member Monzo. Council Member Wynne. Mayor Yvonne Quorum with Councilman Fan West and Council Member Wynne absent. I see the attorney who believes we brought out the closed session. Yes, we again to report out the closed session. Yes, we again tried to meet in closed session but there was no quorum. So Councilwoman Weston, Councilmember Nguyen were absent. Okay, I'd like to continue with agenda today. 5.9 continue from the August 14, 2024, Regulus C.D. Castle meeting. The men are payment of Goffin May funds to miss here, Hills, Lynn and proposed investigation of Fries Mayor Kimberly Ho related to use of the title in connection with the and let you go from the scam to his funds in the e-bike death of Miss Lan, Mi Thai in the city of Westminster. I understand that we have the more, a certain motion on the floor and the motion on the floor. I think that we have a lot of discussion about this. I'd like to go ahead and move forward to vote. The first vote, the subject motion. What's the subject motion? Is the subject motion from, from a member, I'm sorry, from council member of I'm sorry from council member win Do continue the item and then seconded by council member west? Yes, so move it Okay, so we're going to go ahead and do the subsidy motion made by council member win seconded by council member Van West to discuss the item We'll call for this subsidy motion councilman fan west Well the thing is that mr. Mayor. I mean mr. City attorney. We remember the item. For the submission, councilwoman fanwist. The thing is that, Mr. Mayor, I mean Mr. City Attorney, remember we have our right due process for agenda item. It's to discuss it like you said. All the other agenda item, we allow Charlie, Mr. Mayor, we allow you to discuss 5.14, 5.15. You allow you to discuss 5.14, 5.15. You're the author of that and you allow all the council to talk on it. Now why would you not let 5.9 to be discussed, especially when the author and the secretary- You are not here, people. Don't want to discuss about it and if not- It's not a opinion. If you're not coming back, you want to talk about it, then we talk about it. You say you follow the process, Mr. Mayor, and you're fair. Where's your fairness? Show us. Of course, you're not fair. You're not fair. You're not fair. You're not fair. Now. So I have every right, my due process to present this. So are we talking about agenda 5.9? Go ahead. Okay. Okay, so the continuation demanding payment of GoFundMe to Ms. Hassan Lynn, the proposed investigation of Vice-American Leeho related to use of her title in connection with the alleged GoFundMe scam to raise fund in the e-bike death of Ms. Lynn. My tie in the city of Westminster. Recommendation action considered and demand because the public came to me and Hassan Lin came to me and demand that vice mayor Kimberly Ho pay. Ms. Hassan Lin a total of $21,860 for a fund she raised on GoFundMe, and provide direction to staff to generate a letter to the district attorney to investigate the events for a alleged fraud. The background of this is this item was requested by myself and councilman Namguang. Ms. Hassan Lin is a daughter of Lin Mai Tai who tragically lost her life in an e-by accident in Westminster in February 29, 2024. According to the report from Ngui Viak Bao, Ngui Viak News, Vice Mayor Ho, create a GoF me a count to. Is this miscellaneous? Yes. That is ridiculous. This is ridiculous. This is ridiculous. Let me ask the council. I thought it's a proof after. We have talked about this and then now it is a script in time. Mr. City Attorney, doesn't that mayor have to sign the resolution before it comes into effect? So, Mr. City Attorney, can you please answer the legal aspect of it? Did you already sign it? Did you sign the resolution? I will ask. Because we want to see it. Did you sign it yet? You have to follow the procedures. You have to follow the procedures. Don't point at us. We are not your daughter's side. We are your colleagues. Don't point at us. Let me answer your question. You asked me, did I sign it? You know what would you just do? We set the policy. We did not do the resolution. The Swayarun Swayarun is not do the resolution. The Schwerer's rule is not quite a sign. Okay. So the policies that we set affect immediately that's the policy. Yeah, your voice down. So that's what it is. Okay. Listen. I'm listening. I'm listening. Listen. Listen. Just don't raise your voice at us. City Attorney. Yeah. Let me let the city manager address this, but you're correct don't raise your voice at us. See the attorney. Yeah, let me let the city manager address this, but you're correct, there's no resolution in this. So the resolution that was presented is what establishes the order. So if you wanted to change a title or the order of the agenda, that's what the resolution was for. The policy that you adopted is a council policy. So there's not, it's not something that you sign. That's right. That's what I just said, right? Yeah, and you're the agenda item to get rid of that resolution. You didn't even show us proof of that resolution. This is like elementary amateur. Come on, councilor right here. Amateur running the meeting. Like we can't have that guys. Come on. Where are they? Where are they? Where are they? I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about the council. I'm not talking about the council. I'm not talking about the council. I'm not talking about the council. I'm not talking about the council. I'm not talking about the council. I'm not talking about the council. I'm not talking about the council. I'm not talking about the council. I'm not talking about the council. I'm not talking are for many. You are for Christmas. You are for Christmas. You are for Christmas. You are for Christmas. You are for Christmas. You are for Christmas. You are for Christmas. You are for Christmas. You are for Christmas. You are for Christmas. You are for Christmas. You are for Christmas. You are for Christmas. You are for Christmas. You are for Christmas. You are for Christmas. Please stop everyone. Now I recognize councilmember West. You are recognized. You can. I know but I ask Mr. City Attorney, ask him what's the legal process and I just ask you a question City Attorney. Can you please respond? Yeah, again, the key thing here is that you need to give a reasonable opportunity for the council members to speak. A process was adopted of going five minutes and then a second round of five minutes and then if the majority still wants to keep talking, this is a process. So, you know, it's to try and help bring some order. And so I guess is the question whether or not we're applying that now? The motion was to apply the motion. I didn't even know we're time. If I knew we're time, I would read a different paragraph. You know what? Okay. I'm so out of there. Okay. At the time you can have five minutes. You know what? Please. Please. I was nicer right now. Okay. Please, please, I was nicer right now. Can I speak just one more? Okay, go ahead. Five seconds. Okay, from now on, we're not going to respect each other anymore, okay? Because Mr. Manzo, he didn't want that, okay? He called his name on the diaries. I know. I'm perfect. Okay, so if you don't want that, you cause children, how professional that for all of us. Okay, so if you don't want that you cause children how professional that respect got to be moochle. Yes, how is that respect from your call? All right, you're not being professional. You don't want to take your own advice Mr. Noggle. You want that see no right? Take your advice and you know you're freaking out that I will expose you and I will expose you next. You go to training to allow a legal answer to vote in the local nation and we know that. That's why I'm going to have to prove from the visible. And I will get that out in the open. Get your feet. So people, resident of Westminster, would you allow him with a vote of three to allow legal immigrants to vote in your election. That's pretty pathetic guys. That's why he's afraid. I was a member of West. He quiet. I am not proof of that. Oh, you call me Bequiet, not the colleagues. We call your colleagues to be quiet. We call your colleagues to be quiet. How respectful that. Well, I ask you. Do I ever tell you, Bequiet, Mr. Monson? I will be back. I will be back. I will be back. I will be back. I will be back. I will be back. I will be back. I will be back. I will be back. I will be back. I will be back. I will be back. I will be back. I will be back. Can you hold on please because I feel on the agenda the letter was removed not all of them are here Why would you do that on this agenda you took away might Mike Van Tau letter? Yeah, where's it I didn't take away I didn't take it away. It's the staff not mayor staff Because it's not on the agenda. Why would you remove that? I like to follow the process that we have. So you will have to go. I know that staff remove that public comments that they submitted. You have all the other comments except for Mike Van Thau. I want an answer for that later but now I'm proceeding. I'll actually give you the answer right now. Which letter is it? Mike Van Thau. I will read it on the email for you. This is the exact. No. The letter that was submitted through the email system. Let me send it to you right now. I will forward it to you. Yeah. The letter that the man didn't allow her to read. Christine. Here. I will read it. I will forward her to read. Christine, here you go. And you stop the clock. I will start. I'm sending it to Christine so she has that. Okay. Okay. Okay. Now we can we're going to restart. I can barely see. Okay. You have five minutes to start now. Okay. So dear all we write to regarding the tragic e-bike accident on both the street Westminster which result in an untimely death of Miss Hassan mom during the devastating time Miss Hassan received support from many individuals, most of whom are act, who act honestly. Unfortunately, Vice-American Ballyho did not. Instead of helping or supporting Hassan, Vice-Mayer has caused Hassan so many trouble and loss. Vice-Mayer Ho at all time present herself as an official capacity offering assistance to Ms. Hassan. The trouble began at the Office of Vice Mayor Ho. Where later she introduced Mr. Thuong-Wing as a reputable attorney. And number two, he is not an attorney. We look and check at the California State Bar. He is not a licensed attorney, that's a lie. However, he has since learned that Mr. Nguyen has a history of unethical behavior within the Vimmies community, including allegation of fraudulent activities, contrary to her climb claims. Vice Mayor Ho has had prior engagement with Mr. Nguyen, including fundraising in January 20th, 2024 for her OC supervisor for donation, were directed to the Asian American nonprofit led by Mr. Thung Weng. The following are some of the issues that have arise or caused vice mayor by vice mayor Ho, but not limited to go fund me account. Vice mayor Ho worked with direct Thung Weng to create a GoFundMe campaign for Ms. Hassan. Furthermore, Vice mayor asked Ngui Viak news to write an article regarding her support and sponsor for Hassan. Vice mayor also announced donate 3000 to GoFundMe, whether it was true or not, we don't know. With no doubt, it was raising more than $25,860. As of today, it's only $21,860. Balance was still in Mr. Thong Wuyang's possession. Despite repeated requests, these funds have not been delivered to Ms. Hassan. According to law enforcement, this can constitute a go fund me fraud, a felony. Deception in contrast signing. Vice mayor hold deceief, Ms. Hasin, into signing a detrimental contact without providing a translator translation in Taiwanese. That's illegal. In appropriate behavior at the funeral instead of offering condolence, Ms. Vice mayor Kimberly Ho used the opportunity to push her personal agenda, speaking for 40 minutes. False promise, Vice Mayor Ho promised to assist her in securing a visa to legally stay in the US, but did not, nothing to fulfill her promise to the stay. An ethical contact, Vice Mayor Ho exiped inappropriate behavior with making up skewered gesture and verbal abuse of community member, Mr. Mike Van Tao in public. In fact, Mr. Ho raised her middle finger just about a feet away from Mr. Mike Van Tao face and yell, FU. This is not the first time Miss Kimberly Ho have this kind of dirty act to citizen. Her husband, where Miss Hasen demand the return go fund me. She was harassed by Vice Mayor Ho who has threatened legal action to Miss Hasen if she exposed this issue publicly. Vice Mayor Ho then initiate a campaign to harass and bully Miss Hassin, the 19 year old girl and her supporters. So action demand that we cease and they cease the campaign of Kimberly Hill harassing against Miss Hassin. And also revoke the misleading baseless accusation, baseless accusing Hassan and the kid. Vice Mayor Hosey, Vice Mayor Hosey is she a public apology to Mr. Mike Rantau for effing him in the face in public. City of Westminster, that is not a behavior of a council member to the public. City of Westminster, I guess she has a habit of keeping effing us in everywhere she goes. Even the council in close session, she effed us too and there's no ethical accountability and that's unacceptable. City of Westminster should issue a warning to Ms. Vice Mayor Ho and above, mistake and taking advantage of her city title to mislead other for her advantage. Lastly, it's unconscious and about to turn blind eye to the suffering of Ms. Hassin, the 19 year old girl. As leaders of Westminster, we urge you to unite and help Hassin, the 19 year old girl to recover the fun. That rightfully belonged to her. Vice Mayor Ho action have accused, has caused significant harm, and it's imperative that justice is served, sincerely, just for Hassem Group and Hassem. Thank you very much. So in your defense, I would recognize Vice Mayor Ho for five minutes. Before you do that, I'd like to, I made some copies. To pass out. I think there are 12 copies, so if the public would like to have a share please. Okay so. You may start the clock. Yes you go ahead. Yes it's regarding GoFundMe. I'm glad to answer to Councilwoman Fan West. I don't know since when she made this her lifelihood. It really, first of all, this is a retaliation from, as you know, the censorship, the censure on her that, and we already talked about that. And so, the GoFundMe, the amount is 21,960. So, I guess Ms. West cannot get the facts right. So, I heard that. Right now. No, that is not. Excuse me. I just checked. No, I just checked the go-fut me. Why don't you check that right now? It's my turn to speak. My call. When did you turn to speak? I was a member of West. Nobody interrupts you. You just said interrupt me. You guys always do. You did. No, with your five minutes, I did not interrupt you at all. Please. All right, so let her have her five minutes. Okay, go ahead, please. Okay, so it is 21,960. That's the go for me. And for your information, the amount that is on the website or the flyer here, that is the amount that was raised, not the amount that is left. Okay, so that includes $4,000 from one donor, and I won't mention his name, and the $3,000 from one donor, and I won't mention his name. And the $3,000 for myself, if we deduct $7,000 in about $6,000 for the funeral, the balance remaining is $8,960. So, Ms. West, you are accusing me of being in cahoots with Mr. Tuan Wynne to steal this money. Then you're saying, so what you're saying is I split this money, each person 4,480, right? Ms. West, in case you don't know, I have been a philanthropist for most of my adult life. And I am very proud of that. Everyone calls on me when they need money for a good cause. Money needs to be raised in the community for events for anything as you know they call on me. I have donated for many years on the average of $80,000 to $100,000 a year. One of the donation checks that I regularly write is $20,000, four to five times more than what you are accusing me of stealing. So who believes you? A letter from my attorney to you, Amy Fan-West, has made public whether you want to admit it or not. For seven times you try to avoid, I don't know why until this day, I don't know why you try to avoid that. Part of our job as a council member is to protect the city from lawsuits. On August 14th, the mayor attempted to walk on the letter from my attorney as potential litigation at the beginning closed session. Councilman West and when left, then it was scheduled for closed session and I won't go on because my question to is why? Why do you avoid the letter? Well, okay, so let's go over this the last almost two minutes that we have left. So the first page, mine are numbered, so I hope you can, you know, there are 11 pages. So the first page is from Richard from GoFundMe. And it says, we have found no indication of misuse of funds. As a result, we are unable to refund your donation under the Go Fund Me giving guarantee. So they really have not found any wrong doing. So the next page is the amount, it says 21,960. Again, it's not the amount that is left like she alleged. It is the amount raised in all. Okay, the third page is, as you can see that this is the donation with the name Taunwen fundraising for Asian American National Committee Inc. It is not mine. I then the fourth page says, the premier Vietnamese newspaper in Lvivid. Yes, Rodin Excellent, this is Mr. Tuan Wins writing here. Rodin Excellent article regarding this horrific fatality and that vice mayor of Kimberly Westminster, Drberley Ho donated $3,000. The most donation for one person so far of her own money to this go fund me and please note. And doing this as a concern and caring citizen. If you can please read instead of texting or writing notes. Vice Mayor Ho was one of the first donors to this wonderful fundraising effort. So basically, I think we need to respect the process and may as you can refrain of what you are saying there so that we can go second round. Now you will go ahead then now I recognize you for five minutes. No, can you go back to me? I'm going to speak. Okay. So councilmember Menso. I just have a question. This councilmember West mentioned that there is something about an investigation. Was this reported to an agency, a police agency for an investigation? Do we know? Was it reported? So where is this? Was this reported? Yeah. Do you know of chief? I thought your time is on right? Going right? I don't know to answer your question. Councilmember, there was no report made with the Westminster Police Department. I do not know if the report was made by any other jurisdiction, but there was no official report made with the Westminster Police Department. Thank you. The other thing I see on here, I know it is some of the YouTube videos that they were making. I mean, that messaging kept changing. I thought it was a child originally was a child, but now that she's 19, the last time I checked, I think 18 was considered an adult. So I don't know if last month or so, she went from a child to 19. And to me, what I see here here is just this is a private matter. If this really was a concern of Council Member West to protect this young lady that instead of hashing it out here in public, this should have been reported as a possible fraud to an agency. Why do it appear in public abusing taxpayer equipment or city attorney and all that? It's just to show, that's what I see, just to slander somebody publicly. Because if it really was a concern to protect this young lady, the avenue of suspicion of fraud should be reported to a police agency for an investigation. That did not happen. And what I see here is just actually the reality is that council member West is using her position as a council member to do this to somebody else to sit there and smear somebody publicly up here on taxpayer dime. That's what I see is happening here. It's not the obviously it's not the right thing to do and she should be apologizing to vice mayor ho and if you're really concerned, report it. Why are you doing it up here? Why are you wasting everybody's time? If you really did care about this young lady, report it to the police. This is a private matter, appears this is a private matter. And the other issue that I have and I still haven't gotten an answer which I cannot believe that somebody that's an attorney can could have looked at this agenda item and said let me look at what you're presenting. You know the municipal law and I think you should be with the determined if this is this is purview to a city council to determine we're not attorneys up here. How are we to make a determination of this city business? To me this city has been looked at and say you know what I recommend. To me just looking at it doesn't look like city business. And I will wish that we had a legal opinion about this before I got put on the agenda and put our city at risk. That's what I think we should have happened. So city attorney, so I don't understand how you couldn't have made an opinion on this as far if it was a city business or not. Because I don't, to me, it doesn't look like it is. So I would still have an I-mail to you this question, and to this day I have not got a response to that email about that. So I've been in response. Why don't you finish yours and then? Yeah, I'm done. I just like the response. I wanted a response before we came out here and asked us out in public. And I didn't respond to that. What email did you send? Previously. I'm not speaking. No. I'll see you if any. You are now recognized. Yes. Yeah. As I stated to you. As I stated previously, the city attorney and this doesn't set the agenda. The council gets to decide we talked about this earlier in the meeting. You choose what items go on, what items go off. You have the right to create rules. The council at that time created a rule that let two council members put an item on the agenda And it's not for me to be second-guessing every Everything you know because I really don't know all the details behind why something you may put something on there to give a certificate to someone And I have no idea if that's Has some connection to city business. So the council needs to decide if something is properly within its jurisdiction. And that's what I said. It would be highly irregular for me to pull something off unless it were obviously, you know, a big legal issue. And in which case I would approach the individuals who put it on and point out this seems to be highly irregular or maybe it's problematic, which is exactly what I did in this particular case, but it's not for me to pull it off. And so what has happened is the item was put on and a motion was the issue was immediately raised that maybe this isn't within the council's jurisdiction which is the proper thing to do. The council discusses the motion and then the motion is taken. The council decides. Councilor Mazzal, I can jump in. No, I know but he's answering a question that I asked so I can jump in right now. Are're waiting for the second round. Let me say this, and this is not my time, okay? Because as a presider, I can't tell me and then give my opinions or answer the question. Based on what I understand because of the policy that we have two people can place an item on the agenda. Therefore, I asked this question to the city manager and city attorney. Why did you let this item on the agenda go on the agenda? They said that because of that policy, they can't go off and do anything else. And I understand where they come from. With the process that we just put in place that we need to place this agenda here on the dias that require majority vote, that will take care of it. I can assure you it is probable to care for it. That's okay, but that's what it is. Please understand that they have to follow the policy that we have put forward the worst policy. So I feel for them, but let's move on. So at this time, I will take five minutes, the same thing as the everyone, because I remember that we asked each member that's including me. So go ahead and put my five minutes. And I don't need my five minutes, but you're in time. What I'm trying to say is this. I would like to thank you, the city council, and also all the member of the publics to respect the policy that we put forward. So if someone recognized and talked for five minutes, please let them talk about it. Don't interrupt them. Because you, of course, don't want anybody to interrupt you. So let's follow the process and be respectful to each other. Okay, the second thing I want to do is I want to say, this is a personal matter. I don't think it is anything to do with city business. And I am trying to protect the city from the lawsuit. And that's all I want to say. So it's just one minute for me. So now I will recognize right I mean customer member win for five minutes. Yeah just call me Namquan because from now on I'm going to call you Charlie okay. Thank you Charlie. Did I do anything to you I'm you know win anything I call you Charlie Let me let me I will respectful myself Thank you Charlie So, go ahead and reset the collective for me. Please. All right. Thank you, Charlie. Let me respond to Kim Biliho, about what he said of him, of giving out the money and being a good person. Recently, lots of people came to me and then make a complaint about you. You just do, please, Mr. Mayor. Hey, I do my job, right? Stop. Goodness. So this is my call. You see the one that traveled. First warning, Mr. Mayor? To Oakland. Yeah, your girlfriend, Mr. Mayor? To Oakland. Yeah, your girlfriend, right? I don't know if none of your business go ahead and do it right now. You want to Oakland with right there? Yeah, she's interrupting. Your girlfriend, come on, tell her. Go ahead and tell. Banjak Linna told her, her girlfriend's stop. Right. Stop the clock, please. Stop the clock. Yes. Please. Please be quiet, please. You are not recognized right now. Let them, I will handle them. I will handle them. I will handle them. You're not. It wasn't her. It was so loud. Who else? It's going to be high. It's going to be a lie. I'm going to be a liar. Okay. So stop. All right. Okay. You should. Please. Call me. Please. That's what I told you. Call your activists. I already stopped. Okay. So let me do my job. Let me do my job. You just do yours. Where's the warning? You can do your job well. Yes, come on. That's okay. You are now recognized for four minutes, 26th, go. Okay. Please, please, please. What's going on? Please stop. Okay. You are now recognized for four minutes, 25 seconds. All right, let me go back to my boys. Okay, I completely lost my trust in whatever that Kim Ilho said, just said, because this is not the first time, but lots of times that people came to me and then make a complaint about she's doing business with them and then don't pay them. But recently because the event that the Council member West brought up to the in front of the council member of West brought up to the in front of the entire city council and then she just, you know, came back to those people to make, to start to make some payment. All right, so if you want to, me to prove that, okay, I'm going to prove that. And to respond to Manzo about the private matter. Okay, I believe that customer member Wes has all the evidence that Kimberley her conduct her business with her sin in the back of the office, of her office right here. So I think with those evidence that provided by Council Member West, there's a connection between, the city with this private matter that Carlos Monsor just said, okay? So we have all the right to bring it up before I seek counsel to discuss, for this question. Yup, I disagree with the councilman's. And I still remember at the time that Kim Leeho was running for Supervisor District 1, she's trying to promote herself with this event, with this incident. and you are seamlessly, you know, promote yourself and then, and manzo promote yourself at the funeral for, you're speaking for 40 minutes. Come on. And then you even ask the whole council and what, and Charlie, to give you the commemorium, or some, okay, I just go with the funeral certificate, okay? And when you can have that, you couldn't have that. You and Carlos, like children, you know, you actually dodge that item to be discussed. And now, well, I just mean speechless. And I am very happy that we have a chance to export you to the public. I ask my case. All right. Thank you very much. So now I understand that you have more to talk about it. So I'm going to go for the second round. Okay. This is second round. This is second round. This is second round. Thank you, Mr. Okay. This is second, right? Okay. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Okay. So I wrote down what Kimberly asked and then Maun so as well. So if you don't mind it, do you want me to answer all their questions? It's going to take more than five minutes. Oh, no. It's just five minutes. Okay. Not a problem. Okay, so how can I, I was just asking a question. So can you start my time again please? No, no, no. I was asking a question why is it still running? Yes, do it. Seriously? Seriously. Seriously? Seriously. Oh my gosh, you guys are dictators. Okay, so Kimberly Ho confirmed to us that Mr. Thong is a good guy. Did you even reply to all the people asking, demanding you to give that money back? And where did you get that number? Did you collude with Mr. Thong to get that number? Because show us proof. The thing is that for my calculation, about $5,000 for the funeral, then about $4,000 was taken out of that $21,000 from Mr. Mike Bantau, because he would draw and give the kid the child, the 19 year old, it's still considered a child to me, that money, $4,000. So if you say you donate $3, donate 3000 why didn't you withdraw it you can ask go fund me to reach fund you why didn't you do it to give to the kid and not only that you meet the child back here after the death of the mom on February 28th so you guys write that down her campaign for supervisor election is March 5th so she colluded with Mr. Thung Weng to fundraise for the to raise money and put it through the the nonprofit organization to donate through that. You know Mr. Thung Weng for a long time and you say you never knew the guy you're lying through your teeth. Then plus you donate to whoever in the past that doesn't affect your donation to Hassan. If you donate, you said 3000. Where is the 3000? Did you give it to the kid? So basically what's left is 12,960. So what do you do with all that? If it's from your logic and your calculation. So 12,960, where is that money? And if you know Mr. Thung, why don't you ask him to give that money back? Did you already use it as what it is? And plus in your lawsuit, attorney stating that Mr. Thung is an attorney, he is not, we check the state, California state bar. He is not licensed attorney. You say he's a good attorney, he's not an attorney, that's a lie. Your attorney said that. And then your attorney in that letter which you send publicly to everyone, which Nyeklin put it up on her social media of your letter already, which is closed session item. So I guess now it's all leak out, so maybe I should say it too. I read what Nyeklin put it on in social media. We have copy of it. So therefore, your attorney accused me of defaming you, but never once in that attorney letter did estate the date time, and quote, that I defame you. This letter, purpose is to threaten me, to silence me, to even present this out in public. So the thing is that you've done it in the past. Many people have talked to elected official knows your game that you've done. Whether there's anything you pay someone to write a letter quick and attorney and who don't know all the facts and the tried to threaten us and silence us. And you do that all the time. I talked to many elected officials who knows you that you run around with before and they won't to tell me and they say That's your tactic Kimberly hell and don't like to us. You've done it many times to many people So the thing is that You know yet you meet has seen in the back here After the March 4th on March 4th to promise her I will help you with the visa process. So you can stay here until you help fundraise the amount and you give her 20 bucks. 20 bucks is chunk chain to her. And you say you're a millionaire, what, 20 million worth 20. And you say you fundraise a lot in the past. Then why don't you ask Mr. Thong, your buddy, which you also say great attorney, to give that money to the kid who actually need it? And the reason why we bring this because the city related, you use your title back there in your office, and if you need proof, has sin can testify? We can bring her out here and testify. And are you gonna lie? Maybe we should record you and testify. Are you going to lie? Maybe we should record you and put a, you know, see if you say truth or false. And then the investigator would do all the rest. So the thing is that stop lying. That's everyone elected official. Tell me about you. I just came on the scene politically. Everyone who knows you for years through politics, that you run around with and then you switch side. They all tell me you lie a lot. And you threaten people. Thank you very much, customer of West. And now, Westmeah Hold, you are recognized for farming. You know what? You are pretty disgusting. First of all, you're baseless. You're, it's, your claim is baseless. You read a letter from someone. Can you stop the clock please? Council member West, we respect you. So I ask you to respect Council, Vice Mayor of the House. Thank you. Okay. So when it comes to you, you don't want to hear. So basically, please, I would lose my train of thought as well. Okay. So I met, I did meet the sin and her family, the cousins, once, you know, in my office on the very day I got their phone number. And I really, I was busy, yes, I was running for a supervisor and I was very busy. And I keep pushing, changing the time, and I think the time that I ended up meeting with them was at seven o'clock. I wanted to really see if they were real. And so sitting in front of me at that time was a, you know, a sin and she was very sad and she was crying and so I really felt bad for her. At that time I didn't think about anything about fundraising or anything like that for her. So it was about two or three days before the election. So as you know, I mean it was like very busy time for me. But my intention, the reason I had Mr. Tuan Wynne formed the GoFundMe was because I did not want to handle any money and I didn't want to be. Vice mayor, I'm sorry, we have no quorum. So we'll have to stop. There's lack of quorum. Yes. Okay, we have quorum now. We lost the quorum again. I'm in the middle of speaking. Recess. We take part. But they don't want to hear the truth. They don't want to hear. We just. Okay. We'll wait. A face mayor if we could call for a five minute recess until we see a quorum. All right. Talking about losing the truth. Thoughts. All right. Talking about losing my dream of thoughts. Me and Tarotters. you I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. you I'm gonna go back to the old town. I'm gonna go back to the old town. I'm gonna go back to the old town. I'm gonna go back to the old town. I'm gonna go back to the old town. I'm gonna go back to the old town. I'm gonna go back to the old town. I'm gonna go back to the old town. I'm gonna go back to the old town. I'm gonna go back to the old town. . . . you I'm going to be a little bit more patient. I'm going to be a little bit more patient. I'm going to be a little bit more patient. I'm going to be a little bit more patient. I'm going to be a little bit more patient. I'm going to be a little bit more patient. I'm going to be a little bit more patient. I'm going to be a little bit more patient. I'm going to be it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to be doing this. I'm here. I'm here. The time now is 122 and I would like to continue with the open session. I will call please. Mayor Winn. I'm here. Vice Mayor Hell. I'm here. Councilwoman Fenwest. Council Wynne. I'm here. Vice Mayor Hell. I'm here. Councilman Fan West. Council Member Monzo. Here. Council Member Wynne. Mayor Yavakorum with Councilman Fan West. Okay. I believe that I give plenty of time and we all and suspend a lot of time here. So we have motion on the floor. Which I understand. No, I'm mean the middle. My, I'm not in the middle. Do you want to continue on? I think the rest of the people want to know. No, you don't want to know. Okay. Okay, vote. Go ahead and call for the subject emotion, please. So I have a sub-stimation on the floor. I mean, if I can't remember when, second of my council member, fan west, to discuss the item. I'll go out and call roll. Councillor Mourn wist. Councillor Romando? No. Councillor Erbiz-Mier-Hell? No. Mayor Wynne. Councillor Mourn wynne. What are we voting for? Councillor Mourn wynne. What are we voting for? Substitute motion was made by yourself. Seconded by Councilwoman Fan West to discuss the item. Mr. Mayor can you keep order. I'm listening to the seat. Please, I'm hoping to run the meeting please. Yeah, maybe you could clarify. So we're calling a roll call for the substitute motion which was made by your self-counsel member when seconded by council member fan west to continue to discuss the item. Okay. Yes, I guess. And council, we didn't make that motion. All right. Yes, you did. No, we did not make the motion tonight on that. It continued. This is a continuing one. No, we did not make that motion last time because you interrupt us. So that is finished. Did you let Mr. Namcoing finish his statement? You went second round. I didn't even go second round. Let me, let me. That you implement tonight. I want to go back and clarify City Clerk. Did we have two motion on this item last time? We didn't mayor. We had a substitute motion and a regular motion. Okay. Can you repeat that substitute motion by whom and what is it? Yes. The substitute one. We have not finished the second round. Mr. Nguyen has not speak. I am trying to clarify from the last meeting. She just answered you. Mr. Nguyen has not. She says yes. I have a substitute motion which was made by Councillor Neill. Kimberly Ho hasn't finished her. That was made by Councillor Nwin, seconded by Councillor Van West to continue to discuss the item. Okay. So at this point here they want to continue the discussion so I can go back to Vazmého to continue with what you have left. Could we start my clock please? What? You can't do that. Yes, please. Yeah, just continue. I mean, so continue the chat. You've been talking for the evening. Just go ahead and continue. Okay, I'm. Let me handle it, please. Mr. Mayor, please do go harder. You're not doing it. That's okay. Let me handle it. You're your activist friends. So please, please. You're not an activist. Okay. Go ahead. Okay. For your information, Ms. West, the letter from my attorney was public information because it was email. So it's not in closed session. Okay. So if you can pay attention. So it is a lot more. It is a lot more. It's a lot more. You can see on the letter it says on his letter, it says email to you, email to every, all the council members, including Miss Christine Court and that's public information. It became public. And on page five, I want, I'd like to continue on page five of the flyers. This says Mr. Taun when wrote very clearly, this is the go fund me. It says this go fund me is created and managed by and under the auspices of the Asian American National Committee AAMC. And then on page six, I just want to let you know that at the bottom it says, this go for me will be used directly for various costly funeral expenses for her psychotherapy and education. So when I spoke to Mr. Tuan, when he said, he still honors those. There's, I mean, the only thing is that he's not gonna, because he's got fiduciary responsibility. He will not just give a big check to his sin and say, do whatever you want with it. That's not the intention of this go fund me. And then to answer Ms. West, and I don't know, she to me, she doesn't care what is right or what is wrong, what's truth and what's lie. So on the very first page of you, may go back to that. Now, Richard from GoFundMe replied to me, and this is the result of when I asked for my $3,000 back. And I wanted to see what he would say about it and he said, as a result we are unable to refund your donation under the GoFundMe giving guarantee. So again, it says that they found no indication of misuse of funds. Okay? So let's continue with page 7. And that's in Vietnamese. This is Miss, the cousin named Van, you know, at the very top. This was text to me. She asked me when could she speak to me regarding GoFundMe and see if I could get that money back. As you could see, I did try. And they said that was the very first page. And GoFundMe said, go through the process. And Mr. Tuan Wyn said, yes, if it's for those, those three items, he would definitely pay for them. And so the page eight says, I wrote to Hacin. I said, please call me when you have a chance this morning or as soon as you get this, she get this message. She wrote back, I have an appointment with the doctor this morning and we'll call you later. She never called. So they're not interested in I reply. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It reminds me at home. Next is customer member of the municipal police. Thank you Mary. I want to go back to, the council member, the council member, the council member, the council member, the council member, the council member, the council member. Thank you, Mayor. I want to go back to since I didn't get a chance to follow up, get a follow up, pressing with the city attorney. During your comments, you mentioned my question to you wasn't about the placement policy, the policy about placement items on the agenda. My question to you was about viewing what was presented and having an opinion, a legal opinion on that. You mentioned earlier that unless it was a legal issue and you don't consider this being a legal issue when what's potentially going to happen if this would keep going forward was exactly what did happen was receive the letter from an attorney stating that we continue that this is a possible litigation to the city and it just kind of blows my mind how you will not make a legal opinion on something that's presented and typically on the agenda Correct me if I'm wrong. It usually says I mean shirne They're each agenda item be Viewed by the city attorney make sure everything's legal on here and right here. It doesn't say it was viewed by the city attorney when this can potentially be a litigation item to the city. So I'm still not buying that that you didn't view and you should have viewed it because you're supposed to be protecting where hired you as a city as a city attorney to protect our city from litigation. So I'm trying to understand how you would not. I will make a legal opinion on something that can potentially hurt us legally. My question to you is in and about the placement agenda policies, about you viewing something and saying, you know what what this can be an issue You might think about putting this not putting this on and then and then on here in the agenda put a here viewed by city attorney Because most items are viewed should be viewed by city attorney So I would definitely Like an answer to those questions, which I don't buy that. I just don't buy it. This is where we are, liquid we are. And you knew that this can be a potential litigation issue, and you chose not to make a legal decision or legal opinion on it. We have also had certificates on this agenda, and there have been lots of disputes over why do we give those certificates? Was I supposed to pull that off? No, you said that it can be a legal, unless it was a potential legal issue is what you said. Yes, and as I'm trying to, you know, give a certificate to somebody that has a potential legal issue. You know Many times somebody He wouldn't you criticize for people saying things about the city manager you're doing the exact same thing right now I'm not I'm asking you okay now let me asking you please let me question please let the city attorney I've told you asking him a question I didn't interrupt you guys I know, no, no, no. You're talking about city attorney. Come on. You asked that. Previously, when you spoke last time, you said I'm still waiting for a response and that you know yourself that we were in the office and we had this very, did you let the clock run or what? We had a discussion where I explained what I've already explained once before to you and yet you seem to forget that I explained that to you. I am not aware of any situation where city attorneys go around pulling items off the agenda when they were put on pursuant to the council policy. And I did do the right thing which was I noticed the problem and I raised it as a concern. I've told you that. I've told you that. I already attorney can you can I stop here. This is new that I don't know what I need to do. But if I continue, should I continue this clock? Because if I stop, then the next time I can see that council member may use the opportunity to ask all kind of questions and use their five minutes, you know, pull out to longer. So what I can do is right now that if you have all the questions asked right now, finish your time and then just start. Go ahead and start it. Go ahead and finish it. So if you did, my question to you is if you did view this before went on the agenda and you did make, you know, gave a recommendation to the council members who are placing this on the agenda. Why isn't your name on here as far as viewing the item and when I asked you during the last meeting You told me that you did not view it You said you did not view this what was presented on this agenda So that's why my my issue is you Just keep it going mayor. It's fine. Let it go City attorney. I think it's better for you to write down and finish with the time then you can respond. That's my issue. That's what my issue is that you're supposed to protect us from legal issues and you're not making an opinion on this. If you did view it and you did consult with the council members, that's fine. And it's their choice to continue or not, but you should have put it on here that was viewed by you. And they want to ask you, you told me you didn't, but you should have and then gave your opinion to them. And then it's up to the council members if they want to continue or not, that's on them. But you told me that you didn't view it and I have an issue with that that you should have viewed it and you should have made it and you know gave them your opinion, your legal opinion if it was going to put our city in jeopardy or not and they, the onus was on them to continue. That's my issue. Thank you. Yes, please. Okay. And as you're talking, I'm remembering our discussion. What's happening or what has been happening is that council members are putting items on the agenda and staff being very overworked is different. People are assigned to help the councilmember put the agenda item together. I did not assist with the preparation of this item. It was finalized. I don't know if it was the day of or the day before the agenda went out. And my, and this is what I told you, an email was sent out with a copy of the agenda. So it wasn't like the normal process where I get to go into the legislature and I review it. These things are being handled more last minute because staff is overworked. And we're trying to let the council members be the ones who are drafting it, not us. I explained that to you. And so I said no, I did not get much of a chance to see it. And so that was what I told you. And it was, you know, it was emailed to me and there was, I can't remember how many of these council generated items there were. So it's kind of hard to review them all. And it wasn't through the normal process in the legislature. It's not staff's fault, has more to do with the fact that we had so many council generated items. I did my diligence. I saw it and then I immediately raised it not only with the council members who put it on the agenda. I said you need to be concerned about this. You have to be very careful about what you say. You don't want to say anything to the family. I specifically went to them to say that. Then I also went and I met with the mayor and we had a discussion about this and I said if what you need to do, if you're concerned about this being on the agenda is to take a motion at the very beginning to challenge the concept of it being on the agenda is not within the subject matter jurisdiction. That is exactly what he did and that is where we are right now. So I don't see that I did anything wrong and I resent the fact that you keep trying to characterize me as not having done my job. I think I caught the problem. I think I spoke to the relevant parties. I've given you the appropriate way to deal with it on both sides, both to not defame. I also warned during the last council meeting the entire council to be careful what they said and that they could be personally responsible if they say things that are defamatory. So once again, I feel like you're being unfair in the way that you're characterizing this. I'm trying my best. OK. I appreciate it. I appreciate it, man. Yeah. OK. OK. So you're saying when I asked you, you said you didn't have you with it. And I asked you. So you just remembered it. You didn't tell me that you spoke to them and you gave't have a chance to view this, what you said. So how can I'm not trying to attack you, I'm trying to understand. So that's what I'm trying to understand. So you didn't view it, but I said if you don't view it, how can you advise it, if it's something you didn't view. It just doesn't make sense, sorry. Sorry, you can ask the city manager the process. All right, thank you. Councillor Moorah went. Thank you, Charlie. Okay, let me go back to Kimberly Hall to remind her that she has a short term memory. Okay, based on what she just admitted. Let me ask you. Let me say, maybe you remember. at the last consummate in you personally asked Kimli how that if she ever made or conduct a meeting with a sin in the back of her office. Okay, did you ask her that question and what is her answer for that question? I'm asking you. I want to state the fact that if you ask the question, you lose your time. I have no idea. Okay. If you don't want to answer, it's okay. No, no, she can answer you, but that you are using your time. I will just mention about it. That's all right. Just go ahead, then. And so if you want to. He asked the mayor. I asked you. You asked you. You, okay. Okay. You asked that question. Stop, stop. You need to stop. So what's the question again, sorry about that? My apology. All right, that's okay. Last council meeting, you asked Kimi-Hou if she ever met mid-up with her son or her relative in her office here in the council chamber. And what did she answer you that make you want to to avoid the item that because a woman was and I put a place on the agenda? What does she say? I don't understand exactly your question. The question is, first I thought that you said, you asked, I asked her. You asked if her conduct. If she meets her in her office. In the office. What do you say about agenda? What does she answer you? What does she answer you? That's the first question. Okay. I don't remember at this time if you remember then speak up. She did not ask. She did not ask. She never met. No, he did not ask. He asked me about the letter or he asked me to start. We will lay that next time. We will lay that. You can go back and read it. Yes, we will. It's a day tonight. You can go back and read the text and day tonight. You told everyone that you met the office. If you don't remember your practice, then you'll like. I'm going to answer it for you. Go ahead. You said that you never do just thing. Okay? And you know what? Tonight you admit that you met those people in your office here. So I have some notes for me here. And what did I put here? Kimberley Ho, you lied through your teeth. Last couple of meetings, the mayor asked you if you meet her sin in your office. You stated no, never. Now you admitted that you met her in office. You just proved us that you are a liar. How can we trust your words now? All right? I'll rest my case. All right, thank you very much. Same thing I repeat myself. I try to have a procession about this item so that we can talk about this item because potential litigation. Seven times it didn't happen. And I will continue to tell you that this is not- Because she makes the potential litigation already. It's my time right now, it's not your time please. So this is correct. To me, it's potential litigation to the city and I think that this is non-related to the city business. And if this is non-related to the city business, then take it outside or whatever you want to do. I don't want the waste time. I don't want the waste time. I don't want the waste the resource of the city. So that might have, it's still my time. I still have four minutes in 20 seconds. My minutes. You said that you are done. That's why. My three minutes. I still have two more minutes. You said you done. That's why I have to start with another one. Thank you for all of them. that you've done, that's why I have to start with another one. Then you better let keep yourself order first, because it's my time. But you took us two minutes. You haven't finished, Mr. Mayor? Well, he said he's finished, that's why. I don't think that he wants to use his time anymore. Oh, I still have my time. All right. Why don't you ask him then? You asked Monso if he wants his time. I don't know if you ask me. I don't know if you ask me. I don't know if you ask me. I don't know if you ask me. I don't know if you ask me. I don't know if you ask me. I don't know if you ask me. I don't know if you ask me. I don't know if you ask me. I don't know if you ask me. I don't know if you ask me. I am done. Okay. I'm done with my time. So I'll take. All right. I need to say what I need to say already. So I believe there's a motion on the second on the floor. Not yet. He has to. I have no interruption. Let me. I want to call. Your time is not too far. Okay. It's the may who runs the meeting. Let me run this. Okay. Okay, let me run the meeting. The mayor wants the meeting, not you. Let me run the meeting. So please, according to the policy that we just adopted and it affected immediately, we go first round for five minutes, second round for five minutes, and then we can up is up to the council to vote to continue to call for question. So at this time here, I'd like to see if there's a motion to stop or if there's a motion to continue. Motion to stop. I thought we hadn't finished this. Just take a consensus. Is there is a majority want to continue discussing this? Okay well if that's the case then we take a consensus. Okay it's not fair he hasn't finished his time the five minutes that you give Mr. Mayor why don't we do this I want to make sure that you guys from now on if you this if you tell me that you are done then I'm then the clock is run out. Okay? But at this time, because of the misunderstanding, I will, because if the misunderstanding please give him that 10 minutes. Is that fair? I understand, but because you don't want it, okay? I, that, that, okay, let's say that there was a misunderstanding. So let's start for two minutes now for him. It's good. It's okay. It's okay. I can use my time. Whatever I want to. But you keep order, please. Please, please. Help me to run the meeting, please. We are getting there. Everyone respects each other. I appreciate that. Please. please you have anything to say? no I'm using my time okay I'm looking through my notes yeah goodness I'm looking through my notes. Yeah, goodness. And you still let your people just stop saying, please. Come on, please. Now, let me rest out them. Please, let me run them. Same thing. I do it to them, I do it to you. Please, some points. That's okay. So, just respond. Okay, you know what I've been thinking is you are not fed on. At first, I thought that you were a man of your words. But now, all you do is carry into Carlos and Kimberley Hall. And man, you lost my respect Hall and man you lost my respect Charlie you're on lost my respect all right I'm going to forfeit my 16 second can I take your 16 second please yes yes yes yes no forfeit he forfeit so what's the penalty if you ignore the time limits? What are you gonna do? Is that sure you or what? We don't, we don't know this. So at this point here, I'm going to ask if there is a consensus to move on to continue. 10 minutes. Okay, is there a consensus to move on? No. So what's the penalty to show the time limit? Yes or no? Yes, first. Since you voted for the five-minute. Yes or no? Yes or no? No. No. To move on. Yes, to move on. Yes, to move on. Yes, to move on. To move on. To continue. To move on. To continue. To move on. Yes. Okay. So now West first, right? No, no, I'm calling for the vote right now. I'm calling for the consensus right now. If you say yes to continue this item, this continue discussion this item, then say yes. I thought we were supposed to vote from the second substitute motion, dude. Oh, how do you think we were going to substitute motion? You're going like, then I will, I will, I will please mayor. I will believe you. Let's call for something motion. I will be sent to motion. Seconded by councilwoman fan west. She can continue to discuss the item. I will call roll. Councilwoman fan west. Before I vote, I will make a short statement. That's my right. Why don't you control your crown, Mr. Mayor? You can't. You can't. Right? Exactly. So what is the penalty for you ignoring your time limit, five minutes that you stated to enforce down out throw tonight? And then what are you going to do about it? Are we should center you then? Go ahead, go ahead. It's a holiday under the chair. Because the things that your hypocrite, Mr. Mayor, you say one thing, rules for thee, but not for you. I don't even, you can't even control your crowd. You say rule for us to be silenced, but for them you allow your activists and your crowd to just go crazy. At this time, at this time you ask. And look, for your crowd to just have you ask to call. Flick, she's F you, she flick her finger. Is that okay, Mr. Miss Smith? That's how you run your meeting. Let the activists tear ring, flick the finger. Please, please, please. At the public. At this time. That's unacceptable. Why don't you warn her? I please you. You allow her to flick the finger. At this time, I please you as your request to vote on the substitute motion. So, substitute motion is called. We now voting on that, please. Call for the vote please. Councillor Mellita. What does he say? I don't know. Continue to cover. No. Councillor Verwen. Yes, of course. Vice Mayor Ho. No. Mayor Wynn. No. Motion failed. One, three. Okay, go to our original motion. Okay, but now the main motion. Yes, the main motion. The original motion was made by Mayor Wayne, seconded by Councillor Bermanza, to not just discuss this item further. I have to call roll. Councillor Bermanza. Isn't that essentially the same thing? No, that's okay. We're going to take no action on the item. Okay. No action. Okay. That's for over on the. Yes. Councillor Verr-Wayne. Can you clarify the item one more time? It's take no action. No. Vice Mayor Ho. Yes. Mayor Wynn. Yes. Motion carried. Three one. Item 5.10. Resolution determined sanctions and remedial actions related to censure of councilwoman Amy Fan West district one and appointments to outside agency. You know that we talk about this one already. I don't know whether you want to continue on this. I am going to continue if there's any motion. I'd like to make a motion. 5.10. I move. Move to approve. Second. Okay. We have a motion on the floor. Is there a substitute motion? So we are talking about it. I want to say something for 5.10. Okay. Sure. If there is a substitute motion then we can entertain it right now. If not then we can go ahead and discuss about it. Well I have to have my right to talk on it. Let me go this way. So if I miss the man can I go ahead. So if I make a motion can we still talk about it? Yes. Yes you should be entitled to talk about it. Yes. Okay so what is the original motion? The original motion by Vice Mayor Hall is to approve this item and second it by Council Member Mezzell. Okay. My substitute motion is take no action. Second it. Okay. So substitute motion is the take no action. Okay. Okay. So, the two motion is the techno action. So at this time, let me go with, because this is to ensure the cultural women in the West. So I will have in no defense I will recognize you for five minutes. Okay. You are now recognized. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Can you wait? I haven't even started. I'm looking through my notes to read. Let me actually jump into real quickly because there's two items on there. So this motion I presume is to adopt the resolution part A because if it's adopted then you would need to appoint people under B to fill those vacancies. Just clarifying that on the motion. What? Two point one. Okay. So there are the two to portion of this motion. So we have to go for the first one first. Okay. Okay. Okay. We have to go for the first one. Thank you. See the attorney. So I want to go back to Vice Mayor Hall. So your motion was to approve. But we need to do the portion A first. Yes, I approve. I move to approve. Okay. Is that okay with the second? Yes. Okay. All right. So I thought I have my turn to five minutes to speak. I understand. I understand. But we take care of this one first. So the subject motion still stands. Yes, it's still standing. Okay. Take. So now go ahead and reset the five minutes for Councilmember Gersa, please. Thank you. You are now recognized. Well, like I said, you guys are going to do what you're going to do, like the comments dictator. So go ahead and do. It is a batch of honor. And like I mentioned before, bring it on. But remember that what you're doing, I mean, for example, number four, any action or behavior council member do outside of her or his row of authority as a council member result in litigation or liability to the city legal representation maybe deny. That's obvious. It's all of us. We have that on all of us, you know what I mean? Like for example, when you have a car accident, the course of city's not gonna fight for your litigation, you have to do it, you know what I mean? So we all understand that, so what's a big deal, right? And then the other one is, how are you gonna monitor number three, councilwoman Amy Fanwiss, right? And then the other one is how you're going to monitor number three, Councilwoman Amy Fanwiss, I'll read, acknowledge and sign the ethic policy upon the council session with the city attorney. How you're going to monitor that? Like who? Like, you know what? We're all adults. We don't need the code of, read the code of ethics. We all sign at the beginning. So stop treating us, your colleagues, colleagues like kids because my answer is a big hell no. I'm not gonna sign any of that Go make me how you gonna make me how you're gonna monitor it try it where adults were elected official There's no way I'm gonna sign that I really signed it at the beginning of the year. Every one of you guys did it. Maybe you should read it again and learn for your own code of ethics. And maybe you should, you all broke it on the dius tonight. So you can laugh all you want, because your activist friend does the same thing. Laugh. So come on, you know what I mean? You set the example for them. And tonight I got attacked by one of your activists, buddy. You know, and stalking me in the car. That's what you advocate. You allow them to do that. Your supporter carlos. So that's why they're doing it. And it's unacceptable. So the other one is, you know, at the meeting, let me see here, and the other one is, you know, I guess it is a batch of honor. So, you know, you guys want to cry wolves. Go ahead, you have the majority of the vote. Become a dictator, silence your opponent. That's what you guys are good at anyway. That's your legacy and Kimberly, that's your legacy. And you wreck havoc in the city here. And then now you're gonna leave in November and we have to deal with your disgustingness where you leak closed session information of property sale. We have a whistleblower. It's going to all come forward. And not only that, you got a large kickback. That's a good one. The property sale off-go to West and Bosa. Do you remember that, Ms. Vice Mayor? Where it's worth 20 million, but now, you know, you give it a good deal, leak it out to the guy, he bought it for 14 million, then you text both about God, big kick back. Interesting, right? All of that's going to come out. And I can't believe you would, Mr. Mayor, you would stand by someone who's doing this illegal activity. How can you do that? Go ahead, stand close. It could affect all of you guys under FBI investigation. So this is interesting. And you know, I still have my time, so that's great. And you know what? You guys all shown us today. What a big dictator you guys are. And you guys know what, Mr. Mayor? Actually, I want to tell you again. I trusted you to be a good leader, a fair leader, a just leader. But you know what, you need to grow a pair of balls to be honest. I think I have bigger balls than you at time. So Mr. Mayor, stop laying the activists, dictate your city that you run. And dictate the way how you bring democracy and justice and freedom of speech and fairness. You're not doing any of that, that you promise the people to do and the colleagues. There's none of that, Mr. Mayor, so grow some balls. And stop having your boss stuck between your leg and let them run you all over. We see it. Yes, ma'am. We vote it for you as well. Now all my supporters are second-guessing themself. And not only that in the midterm election, Mr. Mayor, you knew I beat you in District 1. My name recognition. And you're freaking out. That's okay. I'm going to yell at you. Let me say this. You understand that this item brought forward by Vice Mayor Ho. And Council Member Menzo. But I let you go first in your defense. You want me to answer you? No, that? You know that. No. So I did not answer. I did not. You answered. That's exactly what I did. No, you silent my voice when I bring this issue about family up. Because you are not fair. I will call for. Because you are not fair. You are ready for the five minutes. I will recognize the five minutes please. That's exactly the reason we censured Amy Fan West for just shooting up her mouth and making accusations, false accusations. And so I really don't have much more to say. I don't want to waste people's time. You just want to do your teeth to understand. I haven't understood anything you say. You know, we understand how she is. So all your colleagues that you will stop well you will respect you for your feminists so you will be your liar would you please respect her you cannot be trusted you say one moment you don't know if Why don't you resign? You go on a focosa and everywhere, say that. You will resign. I will not resign. You will resign as you go. How can you trust you? How can you trust me? For five minutes I did not keep. Trust you. You're liar. Why don't you resign? Yeah. Why don't you resign? Hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Stop wasting our time, tax dollars money. That's a woman, a fine West. We respect you for your five minutes without interruption. None of us interrupt you. But if you continue to do this, then I have to give you the first warning. It's the first warning to you. OK? I wanting to you. Okay. I am wanting you, please let her do her five minutes. Okay. You are now recognized. That's so funny. Mayor, this is a very typical example. And I don't really have anything else to say. I think it really, this agenda speaks for itself. And so everything we're, we stayed, we've already said it all. So let's just move forward and vote. Thank you. All right, five minutes for you, Councilmember Menzel. I don't want to keep, like Vice Mayor mentioned, taking up this public's time. But this is just a display of new low, every single meeting. And before last meeting I didn't think they could get worse than that but it happened. And now I was getting worse than that again. It's just all kidding over with. Okay. When you don't say anymore, I assume that you are. Mr. Nampang. Okay. Now, I'll tell someone we win. Mr. Nguyen, can I use your last one, minute? No. No. Yes, I can. No. No. This is his time. I know, but he can't fit it. No. We don't have the policy. That's not in the policy. So he can do whatever he wants. Good, we, please. I am recognizing him right now. If he doesn't take it, then we are moving on. No, I want to take it. Okay, he's going to take it. Then you are pleased. Let him take his time. Thank you, Charlie. You don't need to tank. You don't need to tank. You don't need to tank. You don't need to tank. You should shut up. Let me... Please. You... Look. Let me run my meeting, okay? I let you. You didn't do it second wanting to you I Give you the first warning. I did I did give you the first one and this is second wanting to you, okay? Miss all right. Yeah, you should use it. It's a second wanting to you. Don't care right now. You are recognized go Please, but you you should keep order. I am. I am. I am. So don't let them interrupt in me. Yeah. When I'm talking. Doing your five minutes goal. OK. OK. Keep your honey from talking. OK. All right. Kim Bade-ho. You know what? Just not very long. Still like about two months or three months, and then you're going to be out here. So I just don't want you to leave behind a very bad reputation and like a title, OK? You have to realize that you are lame duck right now. Alright, so this is the chance that we give you to correct yourself, to stop lying to the people. You know, you got to realize that we give you every opportunity that we have to be a good person. You don't even remember what you lied. And when I ask you a question, then you don't remember. Okay? Hi, goodness. How can I say this? But, you know, just take a look at, you know, Tidal's lesson. You know, all he left behind is terrible sea council that Carlos Manso is and you, the The bird is a title. Man, I can believe that you guys still here got the man affected by all the bad reputation that you have. I don't know what, what get into you Mr. Mayor. I don't know, you know, all the young Charlie, I'm sorry, okay, thank you for reminding. I don't know what get into you guys and get into you on the trips that you make together to Vegas, okay? But you completely changed. Yeah, you can laugh and you know, all you want. But wow. How many more minutes? Two minutes? Yeah, I just want to make my case that everything you do tonight is against the democracy. It's just an onslaught that go against democracy. And I don't know why the people that stay up late tonight, all your supporters, what do you get into them? Money. Money. Well, you guys, you guys proud to be American, but you don't know the value of the free speech at all. OK? I can, you can have a different opinion with me, but you know what? I'm dying, you know, fighting for your freedom of speech. All right. So. Please, please, please let him finish. I'm very sad. I'm very sad. At this moment. All right. Okay, I don't have anything to say. Okay, so you give up your 35 seconds. No, I still read. You know, I still keep my time 30 seconds until I have something else to say. I said. Thank you very much. It's my turn but I don't need that. So at this time here, I would like to entertain the motion for that. So there's a motion already. I have a motion and a substitute. So I'd like to go ahead and call for a. So I have a substitute motion made by Councillor member Winn, seconded by Councillor Wollman Fan West to take no action. I'll go to the substitute motion. Councilwoman Fan West. Fan West yes. Council Member Monzo. Council Member Winn. Yes. Vice Mayor Ho. No. Mayor Winn. No. Motion failed Ho? No. Mayor Wynne? No. Motion failed 2-3. I've got to go to the original motion which was to adopt the resolution. Entadled a resolution of the City Council of the City of Westminster California, determining sanctions and remittal actions for councilman Femme Fan West, district one for unacceptable conduct, pursuant to resolution number 5275. I've got a call roll. Councilwoman Femme West? No. Councilmember Monzo? Yes. Councilmember Wynne? No. Vice Mayor Ho? Yes. Mayor Wynne? Yes. Motion carried, Three, two. So, let me show if I, is this the A option? That's the A, now we go into further B. Okay. And when it's adopted, appoint members of the City Council to the following outside agency and council at heart committees. So first of all, I'd like for staff to go over who is holding because some of them are alternate. So these for orange County council of the government alternate is her. And the delegate is you mayor? Yes. Okay. So alternate right now who want to be un-octinate between the four councils. The three council. Yeah. The three of you can decide among yourself. I just don't want to be a part of it. Yeah, okay. Anyone to be an alternate for the new shine? Can we bring this item back at a later time? No, no, you have to do now. You're voting for it. No, no, no, no. Yeah, don't be shy. Yeah, don't be shy. Yeah, don't be shy. Yeah, don't be shy. So why don't we do this? I nominate Orange County Council of Government, alternate for Council Member Menzel. Okay. I just want to say. Okay. All right. So Southern California Association of Government, SCAC, I am right now. I am a and so the alternate can you let me ask council member win first. Are you do you want to be an alternate for that? Thank you, Charlie. I don't want to be any part of it. So, vice mayor, do you want to be yes? Okay. Did you say you don't want to be any part of this right? It comes to member win. So I don't have to ask you. Yeah, you know how to ask me. Okay. All right. So for our it's called the most moquito vector control board trust the That's just one position so Any one of you want to take that For vector control board. It's like a three. This is during the day. If you guys don't, I can also take it. If you guys don't want to take it, then I have it. Go ahead and take it, Mayor. I don't have, it's during the day. Okay. I will. Can you record that? For west orange County Water Board, I was a delegate before and it's also I believe the meeting is 4 o'clock. I can take it. You can take it. Okay. So mayor currently we have two alternatives for that board. And first, alternate is Council Member Monso. And our second alternate is Vice Mayor Hell. Okay, so now do you want to take a delegate instead of alternate? I'm not. Okay, so I did a delegate. No, you are alternate. Right, I'm talking about Vice Mayor Hell. You are now alternate. Do you want to take it as a delegate? Okay. Okay. So I will be your, the second alternate. Correct. Correct. Okay. For city council homeless at Harkham, a subcommittee. Who wants to be on that? I'll do it with council member Wynne. Council member Manzo is going to be part of the homeless subcommittee. With that I move to approve. Second. Okay. Rook of work, right? Yes. Thank you. I have a motion made by Mayor Winn, second made by Councillor Monzo. This is to a point for the Orange County Council of Governments, Alternate, Council of Monzo for Southern California Association of Governments, Vice Mayor Ho. For Orange County, mosquito, and vector control, Mayor Wynn. For West Orange County Water Board, Vice Mayor Ho will now be the delegate and Mayor Wynn will now be our second alternate. For the City Council Homeless, Adhoc Subcommittee, Council Member Monzo. Okay. I'll go to call for roll. Council Member Monzo. Yes. Vice Mayor Ho for roll. Councillor Bervanzo? Yes. Vice Mayor Ho? Yes. Mayor Wynne? Yes. Motion carried. 3-0. Next item 5-11. Request to consider changing the office of Mayor from direct elect to rotational. I move to take no action. Second. I would motion made by Mayor Winn, seconded by Councillor Verdonzo to take no action. I'll go out and call roll. Councillor Verdonzo. Yes. Councillor Verdon. Give me one more, one minute. Go go for people here. Have we ever got a chance to discuss it? No, we didn't want to discuss about it. There's a motion. Okay, I'm going to call my report. You have a report on 5.11. Oh, here rotational man. Thank you. Right now calling for the vote. If you want to talk about it, talk about it. But then you can vote after that. Sure. We just want a chance to talk about it. All right. Okay, so if I want to ask staff a question, when staff asks, and my question is, you can go over that staff, right? Yes, exactly. My recommendation is go ahead and do your five minutes and then whoever you ask, I asked the person, the staff to write out the question and then is your time to, when he finishes time then you can answer. Is that okay, that? Mr. C. Okay. Oh man. And by the time I'm going to forget about my question though. Then put out your question. All right so play. Okay I'm going to stick to that rule. Thank you. I have for you to go to the next. So my question for staff that last election, that the city whole election for this, the same item, how much does it cost the city to, in terms of staff time, labor and the cost of the city. How much does it cost? Put it down. And then how many cities have 34 cities in the coronary learning for running the rotation of may assist. You have two questions. So I think with this, this pin now I'm it's been a long time since I started this year. I think it's been a long time since I started this year. I think it's been a long time since I started this year. I think it's been a long time since I started this year. I think it's been a long time since I started this year. I think it's been a long time since I started this year. I think it's been a long time since I started this year. Yes. The old title, which is the old, which is Kimberley Ho and Manzo. Right, so what did you do this? Just answer my question. Right? You'll be answered. So you are just a flip flop, right? If today you voted against my item. Okay, so prove me wrong. You have a chance. I just want the public to see very clearly that you and Kimberley Hall are flip flop, very flip floppers, whatever that you want to say. But I want to show the people that you wasted a lot of money, taxpayer money on your own agenda, right? Yeah. Let's go ahead. If the public want to see it, it's in record. OK? October 27, 2021, there will be love Carlos Manso voted yes for the same item, rotational mayor, but now he's going to vote against it. And he's not the man for integrity, and Kimlo is not the woman that she wants you to believe that she is. Okay? Just come out of your shelf and then clear your mind and see for yourself that the true person, the manzo and whole. So, all right. So, the reason that I have this item, Agenda is to discuss is because we realized that Charlie is a terrible, terrible mayor. And he is a kind of person that, you know, a power, a hunger person. And he is trying to, you know, everything to hold on that power. And he's not stopped right there and he's still, you know, one more. So to be fair, check and balance, we go into, I, I, I, I, I agendas this item so we have a chance to rotate the MERShip you know around RLCD Council. So you know the City Council, the one that holds that position going to be fair. So that's what I want to say. All right. Councillor Neill and the West. Okay. So this agenda item, you know, like Mr. Nangguang was mentioning, it is unfortunate. We all seen it. The Mr. Mayor, we just feel like there needs to be more balance, more check and balance, and not only that, this agenda is based on seniority, the rotation. Basically, the next person, if this were to adopt, Monzo will be the next mayor. Yeah, mayor Manzo, huh? Mayor Mayung, that sounds really good. That sounds like you for five minutes. So would you please? I might go to change. Okay, so this is the reason is that we want seniority, the rotation due to respect and the balance and not only that it's a great workplace because there's check and balance less stress on staff to please certain people because they know that there's rotation. So there's a respect there with staff as well. So I think that's important. And of course we give the senior council member that first dip into mayor. So basically it'll be Carlos Monzo, then it'll be Charlie, then it goes to Namguang or myself, whatever whoever wants to go next, but that's the order of ownership, if this were to pass. But the thing is that I just feel like, you know, I guess, I mean, Carlos Manzo, like, I mean, this is your gig that you want that title and we are willing to give you that title in this November. No, I guess this December, right? And the thing is that it is good that you can be the next mayor to lead this council and I think you can. So that's your choice, but it doesn't matter, whatever you decide, but this is based on those. I've talked to Christine before, I think it's a great idea. We have entertained that. And I do did tell her many times. I think it's great for the balance in the mayorship and the rotation and respecting the senior council member to go first on this leadership. So with that, you know, I think it's great. It's less toxic environment on this council. I agree because I know Munso doesn't want that. The toxicity on this council and that fairness, that respect, and the relationship between staff and council. And I think that's important. And Namguang, I mean, actually Carlos Munso and Kimberly can change that if you wanted to. If you want to change that, you got two votes here. And it's true, you got two votes if you wanted it. So it's up to you, but you know, I'm ready for that change and that leadership Mayor Monzo. Sounds good. I am a manzo. All right, man. I am ready for that leadership. Thank you, Mayor. Wait, wait, wait, let me help finish her. Please. She's not running again. She will be no longer. Well, she's not re-running. Okay. I got it. So you still have it? But then she will have it first. Yeah, you still have it. Okay, so if Vice Mayor Kimberly Ho re-runs, she would be the first in line, then Carlos Monzo with this rotation, then the mayor, then Namgrang, and I'll be last last No, I don't want it. You don't want the mayor? No Before you and then you're last But that's the rotational and we do that respect Yeah, so it's up to you guys to you guys I will vote for men so but if Monzo want that I will vote and want that leadership and I can start this December Yes, okay. Thank you. Yes, you can. Thank you. Okay. I'm ready for that leadership if you want it. I will vote for it. And I guess I'm done, so I don't know what else to say. Mr. Mayor, can you keep order, please? Can you with us? Yes, she's done. I'm trying to let the clock run out. No, but you're talking. You said you were done. care. Yeah. Different rules for a supporter. The few. But, um, Monzo, I would really appreciate whatever you decide. Okay. Okay. Okay. Next, uh, uh, I'm going to go out of Vazmého. I know how I'm going to vote, so I'm OK. If you already the vote, you can vote. Well, I have one to say a few things. OK. So remember, mention. Well, that was really entertaining. First of all, it's not about integrity. I am, and maybe if you wouldn't have camped for it, that's time we would have had a rotational memory by now. Now I realize I'm talking to that person. I'm talking to his time. He realized he was wrong. I'm talking to him. Yeah, I was wrong. Please. It's his time. I was wrong with time. Would you please? Yeah, I was wrong big time. And it's admitted it. It's his comp. He's wrong. What's wrong with that? Can you admit? Maybe she knows it matters. I don't understand. When it's your turn. When I'm wrong. I say admitted I'm wrong. But I didn't interrupt you. You're not the one who interrupts. I didn't interrupt you. I didn't need to rub to get it. You did. I do not have to get it. Council member, when this is your first warning, you are disrupting our meeting. We respect you for your final minutes and you didn't respect any others. You have had the opportunity to speak already. So I might request you to continue to trust the city business. It is the first issue, one issue to you. So now we have 4, 4 to 5 minutes to go. Next is understanding. He may have spent some time understanding law. The mayor was elected for four years. So he needs to serve his four years. So his four years is up in 2026. Number one. Number two. Number two. I understand math. I stand along the election is a lot more costly than a consolidated election. So that's another thing that pollution come into play. Flip flop? No, I did vote for it. I supported it hardly. But some of the new council member fought it. But now because he's upset at the mayor he wants to put it on their back. Talk about Flip flop. Integrity, how's your integrity of you totally campaigned against it? Just upon the time. I didn't interrupt you. I didn't interrupt you. And that's funny how you said I can start this December. Anybody, it's common sense. It's common sense and you're in the elected official. You're in the elected official. The mayor allows you to send the rest of his term. You said I can start this December. You're trying to them, but you are trying to, I don't understand. Okay? I am asking you, please, follow the policy that we have just established. If you continue to do that, I have no choice but to have to issue the warning. So please, you have three minutes and four, two seconds to continue. And I ask all members of the city council to let him finish his time. Yeah, I just thought I was entertaining that I can start this December. That's kind of things, something we should, as elected officials know what we're talking about, know the law. If you don't, we have a city attorney who can give us some information about that. And this particular item is just one of the things that I was talking about by putting items on here just wasting time. This is not responsible to put it on here at this time. I'm for it, it may happen again. But why would we put it on it now at this time when the mayor's position has to 2026? Nothing would ever happen by law if it wouldn't take an effect. So it's just simple things that are not understood by members of somebody who's an elected official should know. So yeah, it's kind of funny. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Who will do we have left? I lost track of. Because, yeah, they seem like everyone makes up me. And I think that we have the motion on the floor. I just want them to move forward. I don't have anything to say. If you want to go second round, I can go second round. I recognize you now. You want to go first? I let you because you're a agenda. I respect you. If you guys don't want to go then that's fine. We do. We're so full of the author. Who wants to go? All right. No but let's start the clock right now. Do we recognize? You were recognized. All right, let me respond to the Integrity. Okay. But first of all, I need my question to staff be answered. Okay, can you stop the cloud please? No, no, you can go on. No, I already asked staff. question but I haven't got that. I already told you go ahead and ask and then stop talking. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, be reasonable. So Councillor Member, when if I may, you had a few questions that I'd like to provide you answers with. Please let me know if I missed one of your questions. For the notice for election, for a special election, the reason one that we had, I was able to pull up the invoice that we received and this is straight from the county. The election for the special election in June of 2022, which was actually what the measure to bring rotational versus directly elected to the voters was a little under $120,000. Correct. When in regards to staff time, ultimately it creates additional processes, especially when it comes to special elections. But ultimately it goes into the calling for the election which is done during a council meeting. Noticing of the election, publishing of the election information. This would be a measure, not a candidate race. So there's a little bit of a difference between there's not necessarily a nomination period, but we do have a stringent time frame that we would need to ensure that we met according to the election code. Unfortunately, we've already missed the deadline for any measures to be added to the November 2024 election. So this would need to be brought back for consideration for either a special election or to wait until the next consolidate election in November of 2026. I'm actually going to jump in because I understand your question about staff time and labor. So when there's staff time and labor that's accounted for when we're doing this work, it is actually just a part of us doing business, so we don't actually mark time and we don't track the time. How long it takes to work on this type of item. So the cost that you would get would really be the cost of the election, the cost of the demographer for that extra for those districts, which Ash and I think has the number the cost for the demographer But as far as staff time goes staff time and labor that's really just the hours that we put in during our work day So it's really hard to quantify because we're not mark. We're not you know tracking that Yes, so in regards to still sticking with the election per se, in the event that this was approved by the voters, then the next steps would also need to be going back to our demographers to basically redistrict. Currently we're at four districts and the rotational mayor would require us to be district into five districts. So if we look back, unfortunately, don't necessarily have each kind of breakdown of that process since it's a pretty stringent process, but it's roughly last time we went through this was about $80,000. Okay. Plus $80? It was $80,000, yes. That's on top of one. That is on top. Special election is roughly $200,000. Roughly. Yes, this isn't including publishing notice requirements. So when we have to publish these items into the newspaper and things of that, that's not included. This is just specifically to our demographers and what we get invoiced from the ROV. Okay, the question is, can we use the last, this week, man. So unfortunately there has been additional laws that have changed since the last redistricting process. There's additional laws that we would need to adhere to. So I wouldn't be able to stay at this time if we'd be able to reuse that map. Just due to there's a different process with public hearing notices. We'd have to redo the map. We'd have to review. Mr. City Attorney, last time they motion to approve was October 27, 2021 and they approve it and it was on the voting for November so it's not too late to submit that if it's going to vote. Look, it was voted 3, 2, 2, Ty Doe, Kimberly Homeso on October 27, 2020. I guess it's time for you to go ahead and finish the yours. So why is it too late to submit it if it's true? You can't tell me if you're in the office. The original motion that you're mentioning, it sounds like it was done in 2021. The actual election was held in 2022. So we worked up to a cast of timeframe. We had plenty of time to include that into the. Well, uh, uh, customer was right. I'm going to your time but go and track down your your question. In the minutes. Yeah. You're going to have your five minutes. Let the head of the finishes. Yes. And then I think the final question that you had, council member, when was the total number of rotational versus directly elected in Orange County. We have 34 cities in Orange County. There's currently 24 rotational and there's 10 directly elected. All right. So how many percent is it? Like about 1.30. It's actually, you know, it's actually us. It's not Timber. It's about 8S, 5S, I counted it, right? A or 10. Oh, maybe 14. Okay. So what is the? What is the number? I'm sorry, I just wanted to ask. I'm sorry, I just wanted to ask. I'm sorry, I just wanted to ask. Okay, so many of you asked that. Who's the next colleague? 10 out of 24. So, who's the next colleague? This is 11. This is the second student education to the second child. Oh, I see, okay. She's asking for a percentage. This is the buyer. I can do it. So what are we looking for percentage of what? 29.4% are directly elected mayors. You can start my club now. Let me show it to you there. So we have like roughly not 20% of the cities that currently are running rotational, not actually what? Yes, all right, 29 directly directed. Okay, so the rotational mayor system is roughly 71%. Okay, so there's a reason for that. Okay, if you smile enough and then you go into. It can't be. It can't be. Figure out what I'm trying to say here. All right. And go back to the special election that Kim Bidihou and Carlos Manzo throw in on what year? 2021. 2022. 2022. It costs the city $200,000. I just want the public out there to see. They are using taxpayer money recklessly. They just do whatever they want to because they have the majority, right? For your own agenda, at that time, Kim Li-ho, she really, really wants to be a mayor. And there's no way for a person like her to get elected like a man, so they tried to walk around. And they corroded together using the city, money, the taxpayers' money. In your favor, am I wrong or am I right or wrong? Right, so if I, when I say that, you are not the man of integrity, and you say that, oh, OK, you turn around attacking me. I'm using the number here. I'm using the facts here to show the people that you are not the man of worth. you are not the men upwards. All right, just... All right, let me go through the list of directly elected as CD. Okay? We have only like what? I have a big CD, cost of measures to the big CD, Cypress, Garden Grove, Irvine, Orange, Orange Center, Macaritas, Santa Ana, which is big city also, Stanton, Tirsting, Westminster, that's it. And the rest, the rest like about 30 CDR, 20, 25 CD is running rotational may, they do this for reason. At least a little list of vehicle, a rear, a gunner park, then a poor, a faan valley, a fullerton, Lahabra, La Pama, Laguna Beach, Laguna Hills, Laguna Nigeo, Laguna Woods, Lake Forest, Los Alamitos, Mission Villegro, Newport Beach. Well, I sent you, which is your city, right? Sunclamante. Still have like 24 second left. Sunquan Capista, no. Sea Beach, Villa Park, Yobalinda. Sun Hoang Kapista, no. See you beach. Wheel of Park. You're about to be in there. Okay? You know what I meant. So, all I want to say is... Carlos Manso is not the man that he is. I guess that's my turn. Carlos Manzo is not the man that he is. I guess that is my turn. This is my first round. I don't need much, but I will take the first round. Go ahead, Crockney. If you saying that the election for the position mayor, you outline the cost. You should make it that's a lesson learned and not to waste the city money. You are trying to do the same thing when you are saying that they are wasting the money. If that's the case, learn the lesson. Don't do it. Okay, so that's all I have. I'm done. So at this time here, you can roll for a five minutes and we can wrap it up. Yes, and absolutely you will protect that power, Mr. Mayor. You want the only control, even in your two agenda item. May I finish, Mr. Mayor? Five point 14. Even in your two agenda item, may I finish, Mr. Mayor? 5.14, is this exclude the mayor from nearing a second to agendas or three votes? You are becoming a dictator. You're securing your power. Of course, you don't want people to have a fair, rotational, and less toxic working environment, because you want control at all. So the thing is that it's unfortunate we've seen it, we trust you, we honestly did trust you as we started in this journey the last 18 months. And now it proved to us that you are so controlling and you do anything to keep that power. And it's not a democracy. It's not the republic, democratic republic that we live in. That's what the commas dictator do in China, in Vietnam, in Venezuela, any other country. Look at Russia. Does he share his power with anyone? No, he's going to do everything to keep that power. And I hope you're not like him. But the thing is that, of course, you see it seems like every city on here that does the rotation mayor because they know it does work. I've talked to many of other council and mayor in other cities and even staff and city managers as well. They love the peace that they have, the less toxic environment that they work in because there's that respect because every year they rotate for the next part every because before you guys change it it was two-year mayor rotation until tree tree Todd change it you guys were there okay so instead of two years now four years mayor rotation but the thing is that every mayor they are like mayor of Hunting Beach they rotate last year Mayor Tony Strickland, this year's Mayor Grace, Gracey. Next year will be someone else, maybe Pat. But the thing is that they rotate every year and there's that balance and that peace tranquility within the council and the staff and department head. Everyone I talk to, they appreciate that. And so that's the thing it does work with the road station. The workplace would change completely because every year we are rotating to another council member based on their seniority and we respect that and every other council does that. So anyways, I know it does work. I know it costs money when you guys put it on 200,000. I don't know now how much it will be, but the thing is that you guys did it at the time because it worked for you, right? The rotational and do you think it was fair? So no one can monopolize on the mayor power because there's a saying, ultimate power corrupts ultimately and it's what I'm seeing. And if you're okay for that, continue to do the things you do. But if you're not okay with it and being fair and just, there's one day where that power will shift and you want to be fair and just that's what we're doing it now. You know that we ask you guys to think about it for that reason because the power will shift. And you don't want to be silenced again. Do you remember how Treeta, Charlie and Kimberly silenced you, Wanzo and Thaidou back in the day? You don't remember that and then when Kimberly switched over to you guys, you guys have the majority. And you oppose them. You attack them. You forgot already? Serious? Man, short term memory. I wasn't pleased. Dang. Well, I guess they do it on purpose. They are liars, you know what I mean? So they lie through their teeth. No one can really believe what they say. Look back to the council meeting. We all know who was there back in the day. Charlie, Kimberly, Monzo, the council. Now the new council, they blame me and Namguang for being crazy and destroying. It was them then the corruption, lead with them eight months, eight years. So the thing is that the corruption you guys want to eradicate corruption, why don't you ask them, start with them, what did they've done? I just go on the council. I don't even know what's going on. But the thing is that they've been here forever and you are okay with the corruption. Look back, who's new here? Is Mr. Namguang and myself? The corruption's here. All right, thank you very much. Let me ask you both, you haven't got the second rally. You want to check it? You want to take this vote? Okay, I will take the second round, but we're very sure. I want to say something very short. Okay, and it's not, I mean, you don't even tune on the clock. I just realized in 22, I should have recouped these two, we probably would have passed. But that's, I guess that was my mistake back then because I am I wasn't on the scene We could have been a bit advocate for it. But anyways, that's all I got there. All right. Thank you clear that is my turn Let me let me tell you I was elected as a direct mayor for four years Doesn't matter what you do I still be here for another two years. You can't do anything to take me out. So there's nothing that I have to worry about, but it's just that we are wasting the taxpayer money. That's all. At this time here, I would like to learn clear matter do the consensus if we want to continue to discuss or we are going to take the vote on this. If we want to take a vote on this then say yes. Yes, say say yes. Yes, say that again. If you want to vote on the continued vote on the items, no more discussion. Then say yes. Yes. Yes. Did I hear the... how many... yes, I want to hear. Yes. Vice Mayor say yes. I say yes, too. So we have a majority saying that we want to hear. Yes. Vice Mayor say yes. I suggest to. So we have a majority saying that we want to vote. I believe you call the vote ready, right? Yes, Mayor. I have a motion on the floor. It's being by Mayor Winn seconded by Councillor Romanzo to take no action. Yes. I'll go out of call roll. Councilwoman Fan West. The motion is to take no action. To take no action. Well I guess we already know so my vote doesn't even matter. So what is it? It doesn't mind is yes. So okay so I would I would say if you don't vote either you say don't vote no vote or abstain. My vote doesn't matter so go ahead you've been silence district one and four so go ahead. So that you guys have I want to ask you one more time if you don't vote I assume that is no vote. Is that okay? An abstain. Abstain. You take it as abstain or not. If no then you vote or else we'll move on and consider your vote as an upstate. No, I didn't upstate. So the vote was saying my vote doesn't matter. So what your vote? My vote doesn't matter so go put me at the end. Go back to me circle now please. No, do it right now. Circle around. Right now we need to go on. Circle around please. No, we don't. Okay. When I don't call you for your item to speak, and you make hell out of it, and now you are your turn, and you trying to delay it. I ask you to vote for vote. My vote does not matter. So I already know. This is my third time. So you're already silenced, Avoi. So why don't you vote? Because it doesn't matter. My vote, that one doesn't matter. OK, this is again. I take this as a refusal to vote. And I need a yes or no answer from you. If not, then I will assume that this is your abstin vote. This is final for you. Okay, we take it as abstin vote. Is that okay? No, I didn't say abstain. That's okay. Okay. I did not say abstain. So that's a lie though. Yes. Council member Wynne so that's a lie. Yes. Council member Wynne. It's a no. Vice Mayor Ho. Yes. Mayor Wynne. Yes. Motion carried three one. All right. Thank you. And one of Sonschen. What? One of station. Oh. Yeah, they like to put words in my mouth. Next is 5.12. Request for a resolution of censure. Based on action up May I teach how to win and this item brought by I believe I counsel win and then seconded by cows so worst. Am I right? This, yes, I'm right. So you are now recognized for five minutes. Council member Muin. Okay. Wow. So now we have only five minutes. Yeah. Good. This is kind of, this is kind of wrong. Last time you let Himalayan Hall, you know, sensual Amy for hours and the color of the mental sensual Amy for hours and then you take about the same amount of time. And then now when it came to your sensual, then you let us have like a five five minutes Oh my god, you're just an idiot Kai do was right Kai do is right. Yeah I'm just very very disappointed Okay Very very disappointing. Disappointed. Okay, what else? What's my record? A dictator. So... Grow some balls. Not to grow some balls. I'm not too close and ball. Can I borrow some dick tenders? You know what? Let me let me start it with the DUI that you I'm going to talk about the DUI that Hey, come on mr. Mayor take order All right, you know what okay when it came to my attention that one of the activists which is home wing You know one of the activists, who is home wing, you know, saying that you are committed to the U.I. I don't, I don't, you know, at first I don't know, I don't believe him, but now when I put together all the facts and what I observe during several months, then I believe that you actually committed at the U.I. And I don't know why at that time, Westminster Police Department didn't take your blood test and to have the concrete evidence. But I noticed like on March that you get an accident on Westminster and Busha. And during that time, you take painkiller. And right here, on the diaries, you just turn around and take painkiller, do M&RI wrong, right? So, and the following month, and you get into another accident when you drive the Tesla, which is borrowed from Mr. Kenny Wynn. And you just blame the Tesla that went to, you know, it just go on when you're trying to stop and it's going and crash into the coffee shop and for a record, right now the Tesla owner still paying our pocket money and you don't even, you know, take your responsibility for that. Because that is one of the reasons that I want to put you up for I'm talking about the Mayor Charlie Wen. He promoted superstitious practice and witchcraft in the conduct of his office. And off the city by displaying which we call the voodoo-like object in front of C-Harm. You can go out there and see he put that voodoo thing, you know, on his office, why? What the heck is that? You know, it's like you want to keep all the demons and evospirate out the city, or what? I would be cautioned, be careful. It's even potentially religious discrimination. Just. I will wait until my second round. Okay. All right. Just start my turn. Wait. I thought I was a second. Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead. Do you want to answer this question? Is that maybe Mr. May? No, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Do you want to answer this question? Is that maybe Mr. May's that right? No, they'll go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Okay, hold on. The customer was you are now recognized for five minutes. Hold on just a second. I'm trying to get my notes. Mr. May, you wanna go first on that? I'm looking at my notes. Well, I was going and then you knew you wanted to do it, no, no, no, no, no, no, sorry, I owe it to you. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going even speak. Can I have my time? That's okay. That's your time right there. No, I'm claiming my time. I haven't even, I'm looking at my notes who are being very unfair. And I need my time. Can you pause please? I haven't talked anything about the agenda item. That's not even right. Okay. Go ahead and pause it now. Now. When, when are you going to speak? I will hold on. I'm putting out my notes. Go ahead and pause it now. Now, when are you going to speak? I will. Hold on. I'm hoping that my notes give me a minute. A minute. And I ask if you don't mind going first. No, I go first. You want to go. Okay, then give me a minute. How many minutes? I'm looking at my notes. I have cheese. Can I reclaim my time, please? No. No. I haven't even talked about the agenda item. Wow. This is dictator style. Cheese. I'm going to hear a question in my head if you would have talked. Okay. Exit that please. Okay. Exactly. Okay. We have a whistleblower telling us that Miss Mr. Mayor and Kimberly Ho abused their power by telling staff to delay citation at White Palace before her supervisor raised fund razor. That's a fact. Oh my goodness. Okay. And who's abusive of power now? Them. Okay, and who's abusive of power now? them So the other thing is Mr. Mayor Have an accident inside the city of Westminster as mayor duty and Destroyed the businesses and not only that you pay to kind of hush hush the business with cash and then they end up saying no, I'm not gonna accept that. And the Tesla you borrow is your best friend Kenning Wynn and he come out publicly to endorse me to run against you. Okay, how can your best friend do that to you? It's because you are so bad. He knows you for eight years, Kenning Winn. And he's going against you. And not only that, all his supporters are supporting me and Namgua. That tells a lot about who you are. And you use his car and now Tesla would not pay him for this incident. And you were under them fluids of painkiller. And that's where the city of Westminster, not because his title may or that you guys don't do everything. You have to test the blood. And you can tell that he's under the influence of painkiller. And he was. We have proof of it. Words get around in the city here, Westminster. And everyone kind of knows everyone in the Vimmy's community. And then the mayor. Hold on, hold on, Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. have it as ours. This is going to be a legal matter. What do you have for me? As we stated before, we need to be careful what we say that we don't make any defamatory statements or discriminatory statements. When we're talking about a censure, it should be something tied to the role as a council member. A censure for actions related to their office and obviously evidence is helpful in determining whether or not a censure is appropriate or not. Thank you very much. Number one is- Okay, can I finish? Please. Just want to go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead and finish it. You have one minute, 51 seconds. Okay, Mr. Mayor, you, the county give us $1 million to build the arch, the county, and then it's reallocated to the homeless to take care of a homeless in a city. And what happened? You guys voted to keep that money for the arch and the county sent a letter to the city attorney to ask for the money back because they split the 500,000 to found value to take care of my square park because you guys never came to the meeting. They requested in an email for three different dates in the month of June. And yet, Mr. Mayor, I didn't know about that email. So staff is hiding from Namguang and I who's on the homeless task force. Because Mr. Mayor, because Mr. Mayor would not. He wants to be a part of this. If you do, then come to the meeting. That you didn't come to the meeting, so you lost the 500,000 to found value. They're taking care of the homeless. Now what about our money? They want that $1,000, $1 million back. And what's going to happen is they're going to file lawsuit against the city. And you guys want to keep it and you guys voted. I wasn't in the meeting, but you three voted to keep that money. Because Christine Toe is in a private meeting that that's the outcome of the vote of three of you guys want to keep it already. So there's no need for us to be in the council in the closed session meeting because none of us would change any outcome. So the thing is what's going to happen with that one million when you guys dropped the ball and did not. Thank you. It's my turn to defend myself. Go ahead and start at clock. Number one, let me ask the city attorney. You know that they are trying to accuse me that non-related to the city of Bessos. And you let it go. Until I ask you and you said you stated that it has to be a related matter. Why? Go ahead and stop the clock to so that we can. Why didn't you speak up when they were violating the- I think I did. That's not. You speak up when they're violating the I think I think I did when I there was a comment made related to religious Matters I interrupted and indicate they talked to me about that and then I did Indicator me you have to keep it on City matter that that was something else. I'm also ministering. I'm going That is City matter. Well, we have to give you money No, the city money is not but I will ask that That is city matter. Well, we have to give you money. No. The city money is not. But I will ask that. Okay, first of all, the city business. You did not stop her until I ask about it and you stop. You start saying that it has to be a city related matter. Okay. Done with that. All the accusations, these are all accusations none. Talk is cheap. I want to see the proof. So you're gonna, so you don't think, can you? We'll tell the truth. Let me, these are my time. It's a time, I'm 10 hours. This is my time. Okay I was in my town. OK. So be fair. Give us a now. Then we go to my town. I'll ask him to visit the other one. Yeah, just give us a now. And then I'll show you the proof. Yeah. OK. Give us a now. You can. You can prove. And yes, I will. I will. It's my time. You mean now? Please. Just keep your voice down, Mr. Mayor. Because I can control. It has to be we have the policy in place. And you are trying to accuse me and this is my time. You change the rules. Right? The whole council. Not me. No, no, no. You change the rules. The majority change the rules. Not the whole council not me no no you chase through the majority chase through not not the whole council Yeah, just the three So come and take care of the council member when it is my time right now I asked you to defend because I didn't interrupt you so I asked you to not interrupt me All right, you have your time all right So you are welcome with. I don't need you. It's my time. Talk to your activists. Yeah. All right. Right now it's my time. They are making it my time. It's my time. It's my time. Okay, talk. Go ahead. Speak. It's my time. Okay, talk. Go ahead. Speak. Mr. Mares. I told you it. You don't need to call me Mr. Mares. Do you call me Charlie? You're Charlie. Thank you for a soul. It was all appreciation. And I object to all of those accusations, because I need proof. And I don't see it. Talk is cheap. Now, regarding to 1 million, would you please stop the clock now? Let me ask, staff and see their attorney. They claim that it's a time stop. Why do you still be a staff? When you ask the question, no. Let me ask staff and see their money. They claim that it's your time stop. When you ask questions. When you ask questions. No, yeah. When they ask your question. When we go and go and go and go. We go. OK. The one in red clock. Please. Why is that? They said that $500, dollars lost lose to the city of France Valley. First of all, I want to know where are these money right now? We lose 500,000 dollars to the city of France Valley. And why do I have to be a part of it? Can you answer that, please? Go ahead and stop the clock now. I think that's my question. I brought it up. I mean that's why why don't we why don't we wait until you finish and then they answer the question like that's what I propose but you don't want that okay if that's if that's you did it to now but from now on that's how we are going to do it. All right. No, I have the way to, and for them, let's do this. I don't, I don't mind. I don't mind at all. If that's what you want to do, we will go with that. All right. Yes. Okay. So go ahead and continue my by car. All right. I want to ask staff and City Council, where is the one million, what is one million dollar four? Have you ever allocated this money for homelessness? And why do I blame for the $500,000 loss to the CDGF on Valet? I don't see any of those related to me at all. And so keep that question for yourself and then answer me later. Would you please? I just don't want to talk about this anymore. It's ridiculously that I have to continue with this item. So it's just that I don't need to talk about it. I just want you to go ahead and answer it. Go ahead and answer it. Go ahead and take my time off. So are you going to for fit your two minutes or what? You don't have to ask me for that. Okay, please go ahead and answer it. I am running the meeting, not you. Yeah, I'm only partially involved in this but I can give you some of the information. I just know that there was, the county came to the city with some discretionary funds. There was an agreement signed for the purpose of building an archway and little side gun. Staff, as I understand it, worked with the county for six months or so towards building that. They determined the cost ultimately was going to be more than a million dollars to build it. And then, so the agreement says it's for the little side gun archway. Then in January, there was some discussion about maybe changing the use, but that discussion was never with the city council mayor We have no quorum We've lost our quorum Okay, we have we have learned the quorum So so with that I I don't need you then say anymore I have a motion made by Mayor Winn, seconded by Vice Mayor Ho, to take no action. I've got to call roll my our councilmember one zone Okay, go go and call the boat You work out the meeting Okay, you know that you have to be here when there is no my drink no Go ahead and call the boat No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no me what you do second no not yet they walk out of the meeting no I just go way to my drink we can go what if we go to the bathroom you can't just came back here yeah he went to the bathroom yeah can I go to the bathroom okay so we have the motion on the floor I will have them to go and to go for the second round okay yeah all right okay so I I just want to say that all of these are accruation and there has nothing to prove that these are the facts. So I take no for the answer. Right now I don't need another two minutes, three seconds. Let them have it. Go ahead and go for second row. If you don't have anything, then I go for second row for you. Okay, so Mr. No. I am recognized council member one, please. Okay. So you want me to go first. That's fine. You are going first as your agenda item. Okay. So you want me to go first. That's fine. You are going first as your agenda item. Okay. Thank you, Charlie. You know what? Talking about the $1 million not $5 million. Okay. the first contact it made to give us a million dollars for the homelessness issue to resolve the homelessness in the street 4, which is the classified is the most part of the city that has has homeless. And because of the fact that me and Councillor Womens West was on the homeless task force and the county informers and want to work with us and city staff to secure that $1 million to help us to fight the homeless. But for some reason, the county sent us an email, sent a city an email, right? And they allocate three different day and times for the city to meet up with them to discuss about $1 million. And we never, we never answer them until now. And that $1 million that we're supposed to have is now Get caught back from the county Let me ask the city attorney a question and city Mancher did we get the email from The county get the email from County Attorney asking us to return the $1 million back to that. Yes we did. Okay so we are not lying about this. Okay under your direction under your leadership we just lost a million dollars that we're supposed to use that for. The homeless. The homeless. What's the hell with that? And you just hold on to your power. That because the county didn't want you to be part of it. And then you just get upset and then you tell. Maybe, correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe you force staff not to conduct that meeting between staff, myself, and a casual woman, Wes, about this person about a million dollars that we're supposed to have. OK, I even go further. I let you to have that meeting. I don't want to be in that meeting. I just go ahead. I don't care about taking credit. You can have everything for yourself. But the thing is is the most important thing is retain that money for the city. That's all I asked for. And then you just throw a million dollars out of the window. What the hell is that? Mr. Mayor or Charlie, whatever that you want me to say or to call you, is that an idiot or stupid? You should, you should, you know, address your activists. Okay, so for that, just one item, you know, you should be kick out of your office, not like sensual like this. All right, I still have one minute. Yeah Mr. Mayor, please You know can you ask your your honey idea to be require I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. You and Vice Mayor Kimberley Hall in 2019 appoint each other's children in West Virginia Commission committing nepotism and excessive family influence and I just can't believe that okay All right I you to miss quetz? Okay, miss West you are recognized for five minutes. Thank you mr. Mayor. Thank you mr. Namguang Can you tell them my time is clicking when they're keep talking? Can you pause my time when he's addressing? I said you watch your mouth, okay? Because that's not the you say it. What you call her? Say it again, please. You call her, what is mine? Honey. That's insulting. I have no honey, no money. No money, no honey. Okay, I'll... You go ahead. Please, please. Keep it focused on campus. Okay, I'm gonna. You will have. Please. Okay. Keep it focused on. Yes, please. Okay, so can I reclaim my time? Because. No. What? Please. Thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you, Ashton. Okay, so regarding the $1 million. Okay, I even asked Chief Darren. Then I go asked Chief Darren. Then I go to Chief Darren, did you ever get the email of the three dates that the county give us to meet with you? He said no, he hasn't. So I go, why did staff collude with the mayor in hiding that email until the county reach out to Namquan Chris from the county. Yes. I found out from Chris that they already sent us to the... Yeah, and that's a month later. Chris, I mean, Namquan found out and then he sent it to me. I go, what is going on here? And Christine, you did mention to me that the mayor wants to be a part of this. And I go, fine, then have the mayor Nam Namcon go if he doesn't want me to go. Or the mayor and Kimberly Ho, to meet any of the date there. Whoever can go, I don't need to go if the mayor doesn't want me to go. I'm fine. And so the thing is that since till this day, you guys have not sit down the mayor or the staff or chief Darren to sit down to get that $1 million for our homeless task force, a homeless on the street and our police can take that money, use that money, $1 million to take care of our homeless problem. Which you know we do have, and they would really appreciate to have that money. So now we're going to lose that money because the county demand with an attorney letter to demand that money back because we are not using it. We're not even coming to the table to discuss the money where we want the money to go if we want that $1 million for a homeless. That is not to this day. You guys have not been sitting down and now you remove me from the committee. A homeless task worse. So that's one, two, is you appoint your family members to the Westminster Community Foundation. And I guess Terri Raine can testify. Everyone on the committee knows that Dominic is your brother-law on your wife's side. And you put him in there and charge us president and chair. Is that an impotent? Isn't that putting your family member in? And he runs the meeting, Charlie, under your watch, you put your family in front of him, and now we're still trying to find the money to do our tax. Camilla is trying to ask for where, who did you pay? Which company who did the music, the entertainment, so we can do an auditing and send it in for the foundation, the Westminster Community Foundation. Till this day, Casey on the foundation and other people don't know where the money is. Camilla, there's nowhere to out audit this money. Because we don't know where it's gone. So when we create that fundraising, it's supposed to go to the purpose of that and we need to have a check and balance. Now they can't do that and you put your family in there. And then not only that you go in there, Mr. Mayor and yell at the board, either do it my way or the highway. And yell at what's her name, what's her name, what's her name, Duny? You know, I would know. Julie, Julie, did. Julie, did. Julie, did was Julie Deeb. Julie Deeb was devastated. She worked really hard. Okay? And then you just appoint your family member and say, my wear the highway and kind of push her aside. And other board member. And they have to just say, yes, okay, fine, Mr. Mayor. And the thing is in the ordinance when we create city attorney that no council member get involved in the foundation because it's conflict of interest because there's money involved we don't want to look bad and that's the purpose why I created it and Mr. you got involved. Because you want to take control of everything. Everything you want to squeeze it out. And basically squeeze the air out of it. And everything to die. Because you want that control so bad. And Mr. Mayor, we were fair with Nambang and I when we first came to the council. But you just want control of everything and it shows. Now you remove me from everything and it's like what am I supposed to do? I have nothing else to do. You know what I mean? I guess I can sit and get paid by the taxpayer and do nothing. I don't feel right at all. So the other thing is, Mr. Mayor, you cannot just... All right, this time it's up. It is my time. Five minutes. I don't know where to start because this one lie after another. And I think that you will have Kenny Wing testify. Your friend. You should. Your friend. It's my time. Do you say Kenny Lie? Please, at my time. I don't care what. You say Kenny Wing, I'm going to tell him I don't care what. You say Kenny will lie. I'm going to tell him he'll be the first one to you. Okay. All right. First one to you for this item. Okay. Go ahead, Mr. Mayor. I go ahead, speak. When is your time? I didn't say anything. Okay, speak. First of all, it's the lie after lie after lie. I think that you can see, I don't need to prove about this, all of these are lying. Now I have a few questions for the staff. Why do I blame for a million dollars or $500,000 of a hundred? Why do I get into this picture? You say everything falls on your head Mr. Mayor. Did I do anything about it? And I believe part of the decision making because there were three council closed session meeting about this item and both of you are not attending the meeting. Because you already voted to keep the money. No, we did not until the last meeting. Did I say it's right? We already lost that meeting. We have a meeting. You know, when then you conduct the closed session. Mr. Mayor. City Attorney, did they vote to keep the money? It's a closed session. We don't want to close. We didn't need to be there because you already voted. I just want to ask you, okay, if there is no financial director here. This is not a closed session related, then I recognize this question. Where is that million dollars, What is that million dollar for? And where is that million dollar right now? Two questions. I think either the city manager or dolphin would be better associated, but we have the money. I can answer the question. The million dollars is in the city finances. It's in the bank under our account. I think we lose the money. We have not given any money back, it's in our account. Okay. Okay. So you guys voted to keep it. That's why the Senate's earning that are clear. May I ask Adolfo a question, Mr. Mayor? No, my time. It's my time. Did we schedule for this item at least three times until the third time that we voted on this? I'm not discussing anything. I'm just stating the fact that this item was scheduled for call session three times and they were running away from that. But they did, they voted. So I will prove evidence. I asked if that's true. Did that make it true, Slim? Yeah, it's been on the agenda. It's been on, yeah. A couple times. We don't have any times without looking it up. And I can remember, I can tell you. The first time that we had it, and it wasn't there, and then we choose not to vote on it until we went into the next day, which is a special meeting. Today is more here, and we call for the meeting over there. I went for a close session, and they ran away from that. And the last meeting is just probably about, I think, believe think, our last meeting two weeks ago. That's when we decided. We made this decision. Yeah, we didn't want to disclose anything from the close. So I'm not disclosing anything, but that's what I'm saying. Three times that we are having this item agenda, and they were not there. Okay. So I don't know why I got involved with this. Why these two are not, but I do. I will give you the evidence. I have it on my calendar. So let's say about the WCF. Yes, I have the evidence. The other thing is collude. They said that I'm collude with the city manager for this. I want to ask you city manager, did I collude with you on this item? On which part of this item? I wasn't really prepared to talk about homeless or million dollars. So if we're talking about you coming to the meeting, there was communication between me and chief of staff, Chris Wings, upon the county to which I indicated that when we are discussing or generally meeting with a county supervisor or a higher elected official, it is always protocol that it's the mayor and if there's any other deviated process, then that could be determined at a different time, but it's always extended to the mayor. So there's no collusion, it's just us putting out normal standard city practice. All right. DUI, one person called, DUI another person called me that I take a pink killer. And that's why I get involved in the action. I don't know which one you are. Under the influence. That's what I mean. So you conflict with the DUI. DUI is driving under influence. Yeah. Driving under drinking or drunk. Yeah, it's under any influence. Do you know what that means? And my husband has, yeah, I may have heard them. Well, what do you define driving under your influence? Where are they interrupting you? I don't. OK. I have. Because you ask a question. It's enough. It's enough. I don't want to talk about these things anymore because it's so ridiculously that I'll give you a Q-session about me on everything. So my decision is to object everything that you just said and leave it at this. You can't object if you want, but here's the fact and I'll show proof right now. I think that you have your turn already. At this time here, if these two counsels don't have, I won't have the consensus on this. Then we'll take it to the media. The consensus. So, Bolsa. Sure. And the media, which held on the time to talk about everything. No more discussion. So if you're not afraid of, yeah, when you're hiding. I'm not afraid of, but I don't let us show you the facts. If you're afraid of, I'm not. We'll tell you right here, the facts. We are wasting time. No. I don't know. I don't know. your friend. You are double-sided. I'm going to tell you that. I love Pinballiho and Carlos talking about Amy for four hours and then now would you say a 10 minutes to talk about you? Is it the time that I can tell you? It's for a contest. You silence, you can't silence the king remember he's the king of what sir. The 20 is the book for King. Ask for kisses at this time. Yes, following the process, that would be the next step. Okay, so the next step is I ask for consensus. Not to discuss this one further and to do that and take the vote because there was a question on the floor. That is so true. Why don't we let us show up. If we're not to discuss about this, I don't know. What are you afraid of? Let us show you. I said, I'm not afraid of, but I don't want to waste time. It's not wasting time. It's the people, is there truth? I'm saying what do you think? If I'm West, you guys have like several days. Please. Right now. You hear the city of attorney said once again the city of attorney. We already passed the ban the rules of paper. All right we are not going to talk about it anymore. So at this time if we agree not to discuss about this anymore once once again, not because I have a failup, because I don't want to waste any of my time on the nonsense. So at this time, if you agree not to discuss this one further, then say yes. I want to get the consensus on this. I say yes. You don't want the public to know that? If we are trying to get consensus, not to talk about this anymore. If you agree with that, then I'm not afraid. Let me tell you, I'm not afraid of that, but we are not wasting our time. So if you agree not to further discuss about this item, then say yes. I say yes. I say yes. Councilor, I mean, what about you? So you want to discuss it? So if you, I am going to say it again. I'm saying it again. I'm saying it again so that you can vote. I want to get the consensus if you don't want to move this item, or if you don't want to discuss further about this item, then say yes. So the consensus is if you don't want to discuss about this item anymore, I have a motion to say yes. If you don't want to discuss about this item anymore, then you should say yes. Yes. You guys are afraid of truth. They're hiding. Oh, my goodness. Why don't you let's prove the truth? We have the motion. Mr. Mayor, why are you so scared? I have a motion to be fired. I'm not afraid. I said my mind. What is the motion? I have a motion made by Mayor Wins. I can buy advice Mayor, how to take no action. Can I, Mr. Attorney, can I make a substitute motion? Go ahead, I'll make substitute motion. It's called talk to me because that's the end of me. No, I just ask him for a legal. It keep the original motion. I thought it was the original motion. To censure you. Is that the subtermotion? Okay. So the subtermotion is to approve. Yeah. Basically for direction, right? You're directing staff to prepare a resolution essentially. Yeah. To direct staff to prepare a resolution. Okay. Can I add another, it's like a motion to, to censure, um, Colossumans also? That's a separate motion. Okay, I'm asking. No. You have to write it out. I'm asking. It's a separate agenda. You have to get that item on the agenda. Okay. Yeah, you have to get that item on the agenda. Oh, okay. Yeah, you have to announce it and then have three votes. Yeah. Which we can never censure them. They're king now. He's siph now. They're hiding. Yeah. Any truth that we never expose a corruption. And you want to say that? We can never expose a corruption. I have taken to the subject to motion. I'm his second. Okay. So we got a motion. So you guys would never find the corruption for the- Until the next election. If you guys want truth, just vote. Motion is second. I have a motion made by councilmember Wynne. I second by councilwoman fan west for a substitute motion to direct staff to prepare a resolution of censure against Mayor Chichar Lee-Noan. I'll have to call roll on the substitute motion. Councilwoman Fan West. This is to censure and your addition, right? Or no, that doesn't. This is to censure. Mr. Percenture. Councillor Romano. Before I vote, I have a question for you. If there's evidence to these allegations why is it on the staff report, my vote is no. Councillor Irwin. Okay before I vote I'm going to answer Manzo here. We do have evidence for everything, but okay, the mayor is just on the cover. He didn't let us. He didn't let us. Just give us an hour. Okay, me one hour and then, Amy one hour and then we go to prove it to you. Okay, don't be shy. My vote is yes. Bytes Mayor Hoh. No. Mayor Wink 45. No. Can you motion failed to vote? Mr Mayor. Go back for the original motion on the floor was made by Mayor Wynn seconded by vice mayor ho to take no action I'll go out of call roll councilman fan west no Council member Monzo yes council member Wynn no vice mayor ho Yes no action Mayor Wynn. Yes. Motion carried. Three, two. All right. So five, poi. Next is item number 513. The patient is only 345 now. 346. Okay. We'll work until the morning. Early morning. So 513 requests for the resolution of the censure based on action of Vice Mayor Kimberley-Hole, District 3. So this item brought up by I believe I'm Council member west and seconded by councilmember win so councilmember west you recognize now. Thank you miss mayor. Okay so vice mayor whole conspire with councilmember charlie in 2019 to appoint each other's children to the Westminster planning commission. That's wrong, which you guys always fight, Terry Raine, that you don't want, you know, installing your family members, and now we're exposing. And you're hypocrites. You're contradicting yourself. Because you have five minutes. Because you guys are on hoot, you know what I mean? And why are you effing us and Mr. Mayor? Why don't you stop her? That's inappropriate. She's flicking her finger at us. So Ho and Mayor abused their power by telling staff. I'm really pleased. I guess Mr. Mayor's not guilty. Mayor, abuse their power by telling staff. Please. I guess Mr. Mayor's not doing this. You know, why don't grow old? Did you say grow wise, don't grow old? I see. Yeah. Oh yeah, I know. Resident, okay, in District 1, the mayor resigned in. The mayor has not addressed his concern or taking complaints seriously. They're being bullied by activists and is so sad and he's here, the residents. Been bullied by the resident, John, who's here, Mr. Mayor. He's in your district, which he lives across from you. And Tara Ray has been bullying him, and you're not doing anything about it. He's sending an email. How is it? Why haven't you addressed it? And then the other thing is, he sent the email to you in Kimberly Ho, vice mayor Ho. You guys are the top tier, right, in the city. So why haven't you guys addressed his concern? And he's being bullied, and it's under you guys watch. So Kimberly Ho, you leak potential litigation information, which is your city, your attorney. You leak it on the last meeting on the 14 July 14. I have to stop you. And then not only that, you lie about it. It's on record, I mean, evidence, it's on television. And then not only that, what's more dangerous is that you accuse me of leaking closed session information, you leak property sale, closed session. And then you brag about you getting a large kickback. And I have proven evidence. And you gonna lie about it? Yeah, we go into research and investigation. How abuse staff to do her bidding when she is a passion queen, right? In the state of Westminster? You have your family, sir. You created it. I have two minutes, Mr. Mayor. Now you're talking to him. Okay, can you pause, Mr. Mages interrupt me, which he just approve. His new agenda, his new rule. You cannot distract any other council member who's talking. So, Ms. Ho abuse staff by redirecting them to give her the room for free when she's doing a patch and fundraising. And we don't know where the money is for a cause for the city to open a passion thing for the CEO of Westminster. Where's the money accounted for? There's none on record. And Fubo Sashie lie about saying when she ran for mayor, if I don't get this mayor seat, then I'm going to resign. She brag about it all social media and the us the truth. You go look at the video and we can show you proof, but you're not allowing us to talk. You only give us five minutes. And then the other thing is, Charlie, the thing is the investigation on the Tesla is going to be huge. And it's not. You're talking about me or who you're talking about, essentially. Well, both of you guys come together because I can't tell the different between the two of you guys. You guys are the same. You guys flip flop. Remember Kimberly Ho called you hang my hang I? It means fricking coward. Okay, like f-ing coward. You guys quoted that. And you allow her. Have she ever apologized to you? La yula hang hang my hang I. And then you said my hang too. So you guys, okay, you guys play with dirt and mud like a pig right? So you're okay with each other lies and you're okay with each other corruption so you will protect each other and I will expose corruption with Nambuang as well and the new council. And it's unacceptable the people deserve better. We need clean house. And we have a lot of loss because of the three of you guys have been here for the last eight years. And more, look at back at all the litigation. Thank you very much. Your time is up. And now I recognize Councilmember Win. Call me Namquan and I appreciate that. I don't respect people like that. No, he asked you. He preferred that. No, I don that. I don't respect people like that. No, he asked you. He preferred that. No, I don't. You're just respecting his preference. Call me Hishi if you want to. He wants to be called. We'll have to reset to five minutes. Namguang. Please respect his title. Namguang. Good. Respect must came from both sides. Mojo respect. Right, okay. Even though this is not my item, but I have a few words to talk about. I will be loved by my whole. Okay. First of all, I want to emphasize that under her leadership in 2020, she caused the city to last a whole bunch of money. money as when she So surely personally create a Commission the Quadronomon Monument Commission To to do the statue and it cost the city roughly $74,000 in staff time and fees. And now it came to the statue is nowhere to be found. And along with Carlos Manzo and Daito, they just provoked the permit that they voted like a 5-0 to allow the quite you know, monument committee to have the statue to be built in the Freedom Park. And that the city gets to over that thing. And the city have to end up pay $50,000 for that, for that foundation. Okay, so talking about leadership, okay, talking about leadership, you cost the sea so much trouble. You cost the sea a great view of the land. You and Carlos Manzo throw $200,000 over the windows. And now, like about $150,000. And all you tell the people out there is, okay, you are a leadership, you are a business woman. What kind of business woman are you? If you can't stand the heat, you go outside. Can you keep order? What's the matter? What is vice mayor Ho? Can you keep order? I will, we're going to walk out of here. Because Charlie's gone. That's your job. Okay, I did not see him go. So you can you calm down? It's your job. Okay. I did not see him go. So you should calm down. It's your meeting. You have been focusing. Okay. He's back because you have. Every time I work out, there's a problem. Okay. Continue. Yeah. Okay. All right. You know what? You have a whole list right here but it's going to take me an hour to present the list right here but it's not fair for us that we have only five minutes to walk. You have another five minutes. Not us enough, Mr. Mayor. No, it's okay. Yeah, I just mean, how do you, how do you proud that you are a business woman and a leader, a great leader? Okay? That's why people don't vote for you when you when you run for assembly, supervisor, supervisor and mayor. Okay? One after another. They just don't want to vote for the line. Because they don't trust you. Oh man, I have a whole list here. OK. Can you talk about it? Yeah, OK. Hey, Mr. Man. Go and talk about it. I mean, you just interrupt me, so I lost my thought right here. All right, I will wait until my second round. Yeah, my second round. Okay, in your defense, vice-minister, you are recognized for five minutes. Thank you. Mayor and ladies and gentlemen, I can tell you that my family had traveled ahead. I was supposed to be on the flight with them to flight Florida for a wedding that for our family member. And I stayed behind. And what did I stay behind for for this? And you see how ridiculous it is when they hide from the closed sessions and they don't understand anything and then they just explain to them why excuse me Oh, yes, you can talk I mean It's okay for me shut up. This is the second time I am I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I You know when I speak they constantly interact. I never cuss at you on the dius. You just cuss at us. That is not cussing. Oh, so it's only for you to call your mouth. Hold on. Where you know? Okay, I went to her. You know, she will sweat you. All right. Please me. Hold on. She will swear. All right. He's me. Hold on. Hold on. I would like to ask councilmember West. See, have five minutes and I recognize her. I did. I say go ahead to her. Not to anyone. She cuts at me. I'm issuing the second warning to you. Okay. I say she can talk. And I ask you. And she cusses me. So I ask you. I ask you. I ask you nicely right now. Please let hope do hope. I'm in it. Wow. And if you continue to do that, then I have to issue the third warning. I am telling you that. I'm getting that one in now. Okay, so go ahead. Why don't you do it, you're a crack. You never give them a warning. Don't care. No, I don't. Don't care. Okay. Don't care. Wow. Okay, so the retaliation agenda. So, first of all, I'm going to say it one more time. If you can please focus and try to understand Ms. West is I did not leak the letter that was made public. You cannot call something that was made public a leak. Okay, so I'm going to say that again. The letter from my attorney, okay, was sent to you via your email, your city email, everybody? All the council members as well as Ms. Christine Corden. So, I did not leak it. I know you tried to avoid, but it is, so you say the city attorney is lying. Keep interrupting. Why do you keep interrupting me? Because city mayor said it's a litigation even on here as a litigation. When you're turned you allocate people did it say anything? You would say it not say anything okay. At this time I'm asking you one more time before I give you the third one in the final. Okay, please do whatever you gotta do. Okay, right. You have the dictator. But at this time I ask you not to interrupt. You have the dictator. Not to interrupt. No, I'm not the dictator. Yes, you are. I am asking you. You have not taken care of the crowd and give them any of the warning. They've been interrupting us like no tomorrow. Okay. And you have not given them any warning. Council member West. You are a dictator. Council member West. That is your name. I got you going. I got to agree with you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. You're going to yield for her to finish. I really say go ahead. We are not distracting. You are not going to interrupt, right? I say go ahead. She can speak. All right. Okay. Like I give you verbal warning. Okay. You don't need to be anything. I don't serve you. I serve district one. Okay. I serve the people. I'm elected by the people. I don't serve you. Right now. I don't serve the governor. I am running the meeting. I need to take this meeting in order to get we go oh yes I was going right now it's already for all to go ahead do whatever you want so okay so it's really lack of understanding and I'm going to say that again is I did not leak that's not a leak it's just you refusing to understand the process. And you think by avoiding the closed session when the mayor and the rest of the council members except for myself to discuss the letter to advise you what to do to protect the city, that is not leaking. The letter was already made public. You just refuse to be a part of that. that is not leaking, the letter was already made public. You just refused to be a part of that. And that's, that to me, should have been, if that had come prior to you being censored, and it would have been added to your censorship. And the next thing was that I would like you not to talk about someone who's no longer on the council. That is not a good thing to do. We don't want to be- Because the fact we're presenting- We don't want to stuff. And then don't talk about the years that you were not on the council either because you're like I said, you know if you're If you're repeating someone else who's advising you then that is we look at that person could come here No, we look on I am not pleased to not be argumentative. I am speaking My time this is your third third and final and one in. Okay. So I am going to issue the third one at this time. If you are continue to be disruptive with the Zoom meeting, you and I'm not going to be controlled your behavior and I will call for recess break and then we will move on. That's fine. Okay. Okay. You can go ahead. Yes. And you know regarding the agenda 513, this is like a copy and paste. I guess it's just this is exact copy and paste of Miss West's agenda censorship censorship. So when, I think you have to make up things. You made up all the points that you put on here to censure me. So I really think it's, this is, like I said, it's retaliation. There's nothing to substantiate your accusations. And I really don't have much more to say about this and I think that I would like to Move to take no action. Oh second Okay, I have a Okay, yeah, I haven't gone Yeah, they make motion. So this time, if I don't have anything to say, it's just ridiculous, so we are wasting time. So I choose not to use my five minutes. I got to go. I get my time. Okay. You want to use it? Yeah, just to couple of new heads. I'm just trying to, I mean, this whole thing is completely joke. If there's evidence as the two council members stay whizing it on this agenda. Just allow us to wrap you up. You were speaking, Mr. because you're really close at your colleagues. Because you're a co-occus. You guys are professional people you've ever met in Okay, the most disrespectful people people Let them have those five minutes and we will respect you when it's your turn Please We wouldn't have plus five minutes and we will respect you when it's your turn. Please. Councillor Mangalmenzo. Thank you, Mayor. I'm asking if you guys had evidence, you should have put it on here so we can read it when we get our agenda packet. But obviously there is and you just make accusations out of thin air. If you have something to show,, put it on the agenda. Just the way the censures should be made. Time stamp. You said you have video. Why is it on here with a time stamp? We can't even do it. I'm editing to rub you when you were speaking. You gave us five minutes. Please let her rub you when you were speaking. So this is just a ridiculous, the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. Put it on here. If you have something to show, put it on here. That's cool. Come on. Come on. Bring it back. Let's plan this. But because you guys put in a new law, we can't put anything on. Let him finish. Just don't be, just don't hide behind your majority. OK. Yeah. That's all I told you. I told you that you have to go out and you know what? Okay. Grow some balls. Like I said, most of the professional people have seen are like this. Really small. Okay. I'm mayor. This is ridiculous and I'm done. I need to move on. Get out of here. No, I guess so. Okay. Did you have a did I call for two second round? Yeah, you did. Okay. Two start. Yeah. Okay. Go. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Okay. So, um, um, Kimberly Ho, uh, she harassed staff on the dieter and give him PTSD, our city attorney saying that I will fire you when she only have two votes and we're like it takes three. You can't threaten staff that you're going to fire them on the dius and there's proof you go back and you see that. She threatened city attorney and he can testify. City attorney, does she ever threaten you on the dius? I'm asking question. So can you pause? No, no, no. What's the rule? It's not done yet. Okay, city attorney, can you answer that later? Yes. And then the next one is that she say, F you, not only to me in close session, and there's no accountability, but it's in her blood, it's in her, she just cursed. And not unless she cursed that might vent out, the guy who donate the most money to the little girl to help her. And she say, F you to him in his face. You want him to come testify, he can come testify. So we're not lying. And then the other thing is you accuse Jeetha for selling property to give the Buddha's temple a good deal. And you use a taxpayer money to investigate him. Investigate Jita when he was running for assembly. So you can destroy him from getting elected and guess what? It backfire. He got elected, not you. So you use the taxpayer money. You accuse him and you use the tax rate money, you accuse him and you accuse the Buddha, Buddha's people that they're taking, you know, bribe from teeth, that mayor at the time. That's embarrassing. And that's why you didn't get elected as mayor because of that sin you committed to the Buddhist people in the city of Westminster. And then the other thing, you take picture of me at the conference and give it to your activist, Frantary Rang, that I was sitting putting my feet up and the session was out. So I just rest my feet up. If you look in the mirror in that picture, there's no one on the stage. Yeah, I saw that. He was there. He's proved. You said it to Terry Rand. Yes, we all know. What is that? At that time, Christian was there, Christina was there, Dofeau was there, at the conference, you know, you leak it because you lie all the time. So we can't trust what you say, but we have facts. You leak it. You are the only one there. Namquan, I and the mayor were sleeping. I saw you sleeping at the conference about Adam taking a picture. You would not leave that because we were friends at the time. The mayor, Namquan and I were friends. You're the one who's there. You leak that. And we have picture of you sleeping in the meeting because you're parting the night before or something. So you in the session, you were sleeping. We have that picture. But we didn't leak it to activists to embarrass the council. But the things that you did, you're the only one that leaked to Terry Ring. That's a shame because you want to damage the council and the reputation of Westminster. That's a shame. Now you're talking about leaks. Why don't we talk about the leaks of property sale? There's facts and evidence. They can come forward. They have proof that you brag about getting a kickback from that $20 million property sale, but you give them a good deal for $14 million. Look at the property, tear range, since you're good at researching. Go and look at the property you own, because this is your partner. Please, please. So, who's that? Who's that? Who's that? You're the, what are you, watchdog, right? Terry Raine? I just want to, I guess John now is a watchdog and watchdog. I'm not going to talk about the brush dots because you last were John. Okay. I'm still talking, Mr. Mayor. Are you interrupting me? They're all you just violating. I am running the meeting. So I have to be all day. I'm there. Hold on. Let's not talk to people in the audience. No, talk to people on the aisle. I have been public. You talked about your item here that you are trying to see. I think because she's part of the picture. But don't bring the people into the picture because they have nothing to do with this right now. Okay, if you want to censor. So, okay, can I continue? Thank you. So anyone who wants to research it, research the property off of Golden West and Bosa, the property sale right there behind, across from the Bosa office, okay? There's your PRA, that property sale. I encourage you guys if you're into this. And then see how much they sell for it's worth 20 million. But she underhand and they got 14 million, she got a kickback out of that. And you can laugh all you want because this is your supporter, but if you truly want transparency and give real corruption, this is your time to prove that. I'm giving you information. And then we can present that, but of course, only have five minutes. And we got more information, leak whistle blow word coming to us on this. And we were about to pull this which we addressed earlier to pull it so we can put more on. But of course, no, the new laws that we can't have three votes, so we can't talk about anything. So they're covering up and the corruption, and I want to expose, and I will expose it with Namquan. Okay. Did you go for a second right yet? No, not yet. Okay, you're right. I like to ask Vice Mayor Ho to hold it. I will be your turn after that. Go ahead. All right, thank turn after that. Go ahead. All right. Thank you, Charlie. All right. You know what? Let me respond to Kimberley Ho-Pow. You're talking about, don't talk about the things that in the past are, don't talk about what that you don't know when you went there. Let me talk about this. When it comes to the time that you accuse former Mayor Chita about selling the liberty, where are you? Where are you? Answer me. I'm sorry, I couldn't understand English. She was there for everybody. So where are you at that time? Okay. So she's in hood. So that's why I calling you Hippocrite and Liar. Right? And for the second $1,000 in COVID money that you allocate to your friends, your donors. Okay. So what you talk about that, we're going to ask for investigation on that too. Okay. Money from the county. Yeah go to the committee. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right, go ahead. Yeah, sure, thank you. All right. Talking about your misconduct, okay? You squared seven times to, you say, if you write right to the face of your colleagues, which is a casual member of West. And I'm very disappointed that at that time the mayor was there, but he didn't say anything. I think he's catering to you. And even your buddy, Manzo, he didn't even talk about that. Mr. Moral, the code of ethics. Mr. Ethical. No, I still have my time. Yes, I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to her. Oh, thank you. Oh, what's my name, her? Yes. Okay. Wow. Her you. What's my name, her? Yes. OK. Wow. Her now. Go ahead. OK. Sure, sure, sure. I am focusing here because there's so many things to talk about. All right. You are accused of former Thailand You accuse former Tyler and former Kausumann Tyler and former emergita, selling a sweetheart deal, up the property to the temple and calling for investigation, when in fact the property was so at the price above fair market value. So I think you are creating, you once again create a division in the community. So that's very dangerous, you know? And you target in the bulldozer. You're targeting the bulldozer. And that's unacceptable. And you work squandered cities resource by a proven city fund investigation into Cheetah conduct in Southern Liberty Park. When in fact the entire city, the entire city council voted to sell to the sale. The objective for this baseless and costly investigation was to discredit Mayor Gita, who at that time is your opponent running for assembly this week, 70. So that's Mr. Mayor, can you address your, if you don't want me to call her? Can you pause the time? Yeah, can you pause? You don't want him to call your lover, right? Or your sweet art, right? So why don't you tell her to stop interrupting? She's interrupting. That's insulting. It's none of your business at this time. It's pissing. It's not my business. It's not your personal affair. It's none of my business. That's right. Can you please? It's not my business. Her? New glyc? She skipped talking. Would you please let him finish this five minutes? Hi, goodness. Please grow up. Don't grow old. Oh my god. She's just here. She's one. Please, please, please. Don't just grow old. Please, that's okay. We are all in the same way. All right, so I think, you know, everything that you are trying to prove, you go against that, you know, the values that you want to prove. All right, thank you. Now I want to recognize Vice Mayor Hulfer for a minute. And this is all. It's really sad because you go on trust media, you lie. And now you have a partner who lies with you. Just like recently, you said that I did not qualify. What is it, the nomination signatures that it would have not qualify? You don't know anything, but you had to do make things up. I didn't qualify or disqualify. You didn't finish your application. You didn't finish the process. Excuse me. Why is it that I speak? She has to interrupt me. That's the fact. That's the fact. We may ask you a question. We didn't interrupt you when you were talking. We didn't call the fact. We may ask you a question. We didn't need to rub you when you were talking. We were told to pay for it. But she's telling us we're lying. There's the fact she didn't finish the process, Mr. Mayor. You're telling us her turn. Well, she cues me that we're lying. You know what? When I speak, you listen. Because when you spoke, you talk about me. I do not reply. I sit there and I just listen. Don't go. So please, why is it that it is every time I speak, I get interrupted by, don't grow old. That's OK. Come on. Let him, let's go have for five minutes, please. OK. No, let her. It's her time. So when asked, it's her time. So, he has an answer, my question yet. But right now, we can wait. Right now is so time. I let her finish her five minutes. OK, so when I pull papers, I did not submit because I did not want to run. OK, simple as that. So don't make things submit in the first place. Again, you are. Again, I just told you, I did you a courtesy of telling you. Okay, I pulled papers, but I got the signatures, but I did not turn them in because, and when I don't turn them in or did not turn them in, because I did not wish to run okay so that is the story so please do not go make things up and so I just want to say again you're being fed information just the wrong, such as the property on Golden West. Okay. Oh, yeah, please, I don't know if you know anything about researching. Mike, you were fed information. You gave my long-time information. So come, if you can you stop her. I would say that this is getting ridiculous right now. It is. And I can meet your witness that I saw that the paper that you had, you let me see your paper with the signatures. Yes. You have few out 30 of their signatures. Yes. And I saw that. So you don't need to talk about it anymore. No, I'm not talking about that. I'm not talking about the gold and West things, the other things that they accuse me of, that they had no knowledge. Somebody is feeding them information, and I can tell you they're wrong information. And like I said, don't talk about other people who are no longer here. Don't talk about the past that you were not here to witness because all that is hearsay. And I think it could open you up for litigation. But I'm just telling you that I do not want us to move along to talk about waste people's time. It is now 4.30, 4.23. So may we move along? Yes. Thank you. Thank you. You're time then. Right now we applied policy that we have. At this time I would like to get a consensus for. City Attorney has to answer my question. I don't mind anymore. Well City Attorney has to answer my question. He hasn't answered yet so can you please. Yes, ma'am. Go ahead. Did Kim really, you want me to repeat it? Well I think I understand your question but in all honesty this is a council matter and I really don't want to get into the middle of all that. I mean I try to respect all members of the council. All right. I appreciate that but is it yes or no did she say she going to you on the diet? Yes, you just say to for the question please. Okay. All right, at this time here I'm getting the consensus for not discussing this matter further. So if you agree with us, yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. All right. So let me. The same consensus. How are working and not talking about this anymore. So we have a motion on the floor. We do. Can you repeat the motion and who made that motion? Yes, Mayor. We have the motion made by Vice Mayor Ho, seconded by Councillor Moor Monson to take no action. One way is that. Okay. So what I'm going to make, I'm going to make a substantive motion. Okay. Go ahead. Okay. I'm going to keep my motion as is. Okay. As is. What is that? As is. Can you tell me what that is? Chanturin. Okay. Kimberley Hall. All right. Okay. Kimberley Hall. All right. Okay. All right. So is there a second to substitute motion? It's directing staff to prepare a resolution of censure. Yes. Yes. I am a second. Okay. So there's a second motion and second for substitute. So Subtitute motion go first. I was supposed to be a motion made by councilmember win seconded by councilwoman fan west. This is to direct staff to prepare a resolution to censure against Vice Mayor Kimberly Ho. I'll go to call roll. Councilwoman Fan West. Yes. Councilmember Monzo. No. Councilmember Wynn. Yes. Vice Mayor Ho. No. Mayor Wynn. No. Substue motion failed, 2-3. I'll go back to the original motion on the floor. Motion was made by Vice Mayor Ho, second-rate Councillor Marmonzo to take no action. I've got a call roll. Councillor McFan West. No. Councillor Marmonzo. Yes. Councillor Marmonzo. No. Vice Mayor Ho. Yes. Mayor Wynne. Yes. Councillor Overwin. No. Vice Mayor Ho. Yes. Mayor Winn. Yes. Motion passed. 3, 2. All right. Next is the oral communication. At this time I would like to open up for oral communication. So would you please read the instruction into the record please. Thank you, Mayor. This is the time of the meeting that members of the public may address the City Council regarding any non-agenda items that are within the subject matter jurisdiction. Unless otherwise extended by a majority vote of the City Council, comments shall be limited to three minutes per speaker. Any person wishing to address the City Council in person should complete a yellow speaker slip that is provided at the entrance to the Council chambers and submit the card to the city clerk. When your name is called, please step to the podium at that time and state your name and city of residents for the record. I want to call the cards that I have. First off is Donald Link. Not present, Michael Verangia, not present Kairdow, not present Tina Tapia, followed by Pam Grumling. First up is Tina. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. Good morning. My name is Tina. I'm a victim of domestic violence as well as domestic violence. What makes this worse, I'm also a victim of mental and verbal abuse while attending Westminster High School and Westminster School District. I've been screaming for help and my parents since a child. No one came to help me, so I'm fighting for the damage child inside me that needs to be heard. The child services made things worse by causing stress in more bullies by attacking me while I was in school. I'm showing my children that there's more on the other side after my dad's death to keep it golden. These teachers were bullies to me and their own children who have now grown up to be adults and have children of their own just like myself. The only difference is that I knew where I wanted to go in life. But I had a lot of roadblocks because of the amount of upbringing in my heritage. The harassment I received while attending Westminster School District is affecting my life every day of living a happy and healthy lifestyle. Pam Grimling and the city staff members and her daughter was a huge, it was a liar and a bully to me while I was in high school. Because of her, her daughter, I had to quit captain of my squad team in dance. David Johnson in Amy West used me as their way to get top of their own agenda. I had my own personal stories about growing up and what I would like for the City of Westminster and surrounding cities. And I got a lot of people retelling my stories to get votes and to win elections. They used God and Churches to keep people like, to keep people thinking I was a crazy lady who was mentally unfit. These teachers knew how abusive my parents were and I was never allowed to speak fully about my abuse in school because I was heavily bullied from these teachers and principals who have bullied me up until this very moment. Back in 2019, I had an issue of having problems with the school, with teachers hiding violence in school. So they would keep kids in school for money. If the kids don't go to school, then the school don't get money. And the money doesn't keep employees. My kids father and I wrote a complaint to the district back in July 7, 2019. To whom it may concern, we are the parents of Anthony and Colin Desi Tapia. We would like our children to be transferred to the Garden of Rules School District. By sending Anthony to the student at Warner Middle School was involved in an incident which was assaulted by fellow students while walking home from school. His ear drum was ruptured as a result from this incident. And it determined whether or not he would be having permanent damage. We would like to enroll Anthony in the Warner Middle School at first because we heard active parents, we were active parents who kept informed of current events and attended Westminster School meetings. Thank you for your time. Our next speaker is Pam Gremling, followed by John Ingersani. 431. Good thing I'm retired. I want to talk about Amy left, of course. OK. Amy and I didn't know they're going to hear me, but I'm going to talk anyways. Amy and she's child. She is so disruptive. I was looking at her as a little tornado running through. She is definitely a wolf in sheep's clothing. She's trying to cause problems. I can see it. I can see how they go back and forth giggling about things. They are like, they're a mess. I don't even know how they got on this council. So Amy, Amy, I hope you can hear me. You need to get it together and you need to also give us, you say you're here for District One. You don't do anything for us in District One. You haven't even answered our calls when we've asked if you want to go with us to look around at our area. You're not here. You're not here again. Any time you see us coming up, you run. So yeah, be looking out for a recall, Amy. All right, next speaker is John Angersani, followed by Tammy Hamill. Mayor Neuwen, council members. My name is John Angersani. I was here a couple, not a couple hours ago. It seemed like yesterday. I had a long speech, but instead, I want to talk about something that happened. A couple of weeks ago I spoke up. And a day and a half later I wake up to a shot of my crotch on social media by some jackass right here. Behind you? And that's not only is it disgusting, but I thought I should, you know, if they're going to show my nuts, I'm going to show her nuts. Please pass that to me. Do you have a number? Does that still sound like? Play it. Can you please pass that to me? Do you have a number? Does that still sound like? Play it. Can you push that? While I'm speaking, she's giving me the bird. Can I see it, please? Right. I'm speaking tonight. And in the background, she's flusking me off. Now, what kind of crap is that? Can you pause? I'm sorry. I'm pissed. It's interrupting. They're wasting your time. John, they're wasting your time. That didn't matter. They're not even showing us the video. What kind of? What's the difference? Well, this is after tonight. This is on TV tonight. Yeah. Pull it up. All right, well, there you go. Would you bring photos, you can get them. Well, I just saw it tonight, but I won't give you photos. But if you see it at the very end, she gives me the bird on TV. Now, I've been talking about this for a year, about the respect right here. But apparently, is that OK? Now, you guys can fight all you want. You have the things you talk about. I don't really care, okay? Because it's not my concern. But there's a little cancer on this side. Is that acceptable? No. Okay, that's on TV. That's on YouTube. And that's on public access. So while I'm talking, she's on TV, that's on YouTube, and that's on public access. So while I'm talking, she's making fun of me, and then I get the bird. I didn't find out until I got home, and that's why I got back. Okay, and I waited, I don't even know what time it is now. What time is it? What time is it? 4.30. Okay, maybe she wants to take a shot of my ass and put it on social media again I don't care but I'm not gonna put up with a crap I mean I should be able to come here and speak and not be You know be little by this person right here, okay Because everyone else respects everyone when they speak but not her She holds up signs But I don't even want to say what she says, because I took a poll on next door about the 12th of them. They took it off because they said it was disrespectful. Anyway, you guys can fight all you want, but this is crap. Because I have a right to speak here and have my opinion and not have this kind of crap behind me. So I suggested to Mayor Nguyen last year. Please talk to the council. Please talk to the council. Last year. Yeah, talk to him. Talk to the mayor last year. I suggest the last year. So here. Seven. Second. On the mic. I suggest the last year. Your time is up. Sorry about that. I thought I have seven minutes. Thank you. Well, at least you know the problem. Thank you. Thank you, John. And can I address him quickly? John, I'm sorry that you have to deal with the bullying. I know that you've been a resident for a long time and Terry Ranges just came into a city for the last five years and she's wrecking havoc and I told her before, I will be behind the resident of the city of Westminster. Just go ahead and come and finish. I'm commenting on him. Don't even talk to people. And so I will defend the resident. And I got your back. Because no bullying should happen. We're all adults. No. And adults should respect other adults. All right. Go ahead and call the next speaker, please. Sorry about that. Our next speaker is Tammy Hamill, followed by Tony. All right. All right. That's fine. Hello. Tammy Hamill, Westminster resident district one. I had a lot to say, there was so much that happened in this meeting, I take notes all the time. It's come to a point where it's like, it's not even worth really saying a lot about it. You guys have a lot of good business up here. You made some good new policies. I think that are hopefully gonna rain them in a little bit. It seemed to work a little bit, but they're tag teaming now. And they're just trying to create chaos and waste time and not get real issues done. So I appreciate the things that were put on the agenda. I appreciate staff. I hate that you guys have to deal with the accusations and crap that she throws around. Police, everybody. She does it to everybody. I hope you know that you have the majority of residents behind you. We understand. We see it. Obviously we see it because we're here until 4.30 in the morning. Repeatedly. I know she was asking about proof. Maybe she can hear me. Maybe she can't. Of the waste of time, agenda items, 5.9, 5.11, 5.12, 5.13. It's just, it's all of their garbage that's on there. I don't want to say anyone with connected brain cells knows and sees what's going on. Whatever's going on in those nogins, I have no idea. But it's not a whole lot of critical thinking. It's just nonsense. It's bullying. It's just being loud and brash because you could tell they were flailing. When they're trying their center is so important they weren't prepared. They couldn't even read this stuff. They couldn't even make complete sentences. That's how important it is to them. They could not even get it across. It's just absolute nonsense. There's got to be a way to get at least her because she's already been censored to get her out of here. She's got to be removed from meetings. She probably wasted a good two hours of just interruptions. There's got to be a way to get her out of here because otherwise it's just going to continue. Even just getting her out of that meeting so that you guys can vote. I did like Charlie that when they left the several times they left, As soon as they left, you were like, okay, we're gonna vote. That got them back in two seconds. Because they realized they were gonna miss a vote on something they wanted to vote on and talk about. I think if you keep that up, they're gonna start learning. They can't play these little games anymore. It's tiring, it's exhausting. It's wasting our money. It's wasting everyone's time. I have to get up at like seven. I know you have to get up probably now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It should have been a couple hours. But to me and for a lot of us, it's worth it to be here. If nothing else to show you all that we support you, we see all the nonsense. We know it's nonsense. It's all for themselves. So if nothing else, hopefully you see that. My next speaker is Tony followed by our final speaker Terry Reigns. My name is Tony. Tony Roy. Okay. Hello Mayor, everybody. My name is Tony Lee. I am my family, liveips here, cut off five years ago. What's the Airbnb? What's your name? Namguan Vinh. Can you call them to come out here? No, right? They are laughing too much. Nobody believed on them. Okay. I'm overwhelmed. I can hear this certain time only to talk because tonight they wish to monetize too much money for the taxpayer, Ameenamkwang Ring. I was too much time, too much money for the tax payer. Amy Namco and me. We call them as soon as possible. What's it? Amy, Namco. City Attorney. 30th atonement on you are no good too. Because when mayor says something, Nangguang says, different thing, you cannot have him set your mind up. You are no good at 22. Okay, I will talk to you then. Find you as soon as possible. I will envy my family. They look up here all the time. Seven hours already. Last time, Amy found Grace and not one ring, Okay, I am telling you the two by now 100% Okay, my family and I very angry tonight. Yeah, and then I'm going to give you a call. So any board of your good help. Happiness. Please. Okay. Thank you. Our final speaker is Terry Reigns. I was going to start with a beloved Westminster resident, Ladonna Wayne passed away on July 29th, and our condolences to her husband, guy and their entire family. And I wanted you to join this meeting in her honor, but no, because I don't want this meeting attached to her name. I've done this for 25 years. I've been an activist. I have never seen such dysfunction and I am putting you and you on notice. I will not tolerate being called out from the dius by name repeatedly and by members of the public naming me out as well. I will not tolerate it. So consider this. You're on notice. All right. Secondly, you passed your minute order about how to deal with things, but you didn't do it tonight because it took forever to get the first, warning, warning second warning, etc. If anyone watches this including the attorney general or anybody else, I think they'd have a field day We have got to get control of this council mayor if this city attorney is not giving you what you need to help you to do it Then you and Christine go outside, get legal counsel, outside of Jones and Mayor, and find out what you can actually do to handle these residents or these council members so that we can conduct the city's business. I have never seen this kind of chaos and absolute insanity on a public agency meeting ever. And I've been in some pretty crazy ones, but I am saying on behalf of the rest of these residents, we're not gonna take it anymore. You either get it together or we're gonna bring and implode this whole council and start over because you've got to get it together. You have to be firm, you have to be strong, you have to, when you set a policy then enforce it, be consistent. And your legal advice needs to be consistent. It has to be accurate. It cannot change based on a council member's reaction to your advice. I'm sorry, I'm yelling, right. I didn't come up here planning that, but this is what we endure for 10 friggin' hours. This cannot continue. Mayor Wynn, I am begging you to seek assistance wherever you need to to get a handle on this meeting, because you're going to have more than one lawsuit, two lawsuits, three lawsuits. We're looking at about 10 right now. And yes, that's facts and circumstances. So please, everyone up there, pay attention and do what you need to do to make these meetings run and avoid litigation. It's too late for that. That's going to happen. But I don't know what else to say. God bless. May our we have no further speakers. All right, thank you very much. Again, thank you for coming out and stay to this hour. I know it's tiresome for everyone of us but my appreciation for your time. At this time I'd like to move on with the council agenda request and comments from the city council agency members including AB1234 report when required. Let me tell you again. At this time, we are going to take council agenda request and comments from the City Council agency members, including AB1234 report when we're here. So let's start with with touch on number one. Good Charlie. Can I Agenda is my items? This is this is a town. Okay. Thank you. I have several item to Okay, thank you. I have several items to Oh So what is about my pendant item size and you Can you can we go through everything items I send you So you want to add those right now at this point? Yes. You can make a motion for each one of those items. At this point. Okay. Okay. My first item is I would like to install the number four flag polls in front of the city halls right here, in front of this next to the three flag halls that we have, flagpole, I'm sorry, that going to fly the yellow flag with three red stripes to honor the fallen soldier of the RVN and the American soldiers that sacrificed in the Vietnam War. So that's my first item. Do I have a minute, your second? Yes. Okay. Can you go ahead and repeat and we can vote on this. Yes. I have a motion made by Councillor Member Winn, seconded by Councillor Winn in Fan West, to install a fourth flagpole in front of City Hall to display the yellow flag with the three red stripes. Before you call the vote, I'd like to hear. Can I say something? Because I am a second on that. We are not going to go into discussion, okay? Because you said on your new law that we have to briefly talk about it, about the agenda. I just mentioned it to you. Just don't discuss deeply into that, that's all. Yeah, let me just say under the Brown Act, you have the ability to very briefly mention that you want to add something to the agenda and maybe why. But the five minutes wouldn't be applicable here. We're not talking about the item itself. It's just adding it to the agenda and then voting on that. So very briefly explaining why. Okay. I think I have to check my email, right? Let me see, it's in our email. Let me pull it up. So request to place an item of on the next agenda regarding proudly flying the yellow flag with the three rest stripe of the flag out here in the front. You know how we have one in the middle of the American flag already, can you guys hear me? And then the other side is the California flag and then the opposite side is the city of Westminster. And then one more out here should be erected for the Vimis flag that he's talking about, that fly there. Because predominantly in the city of Westminster, we have about 40-ish population of Vimis community refugees. And I know that's what they would like. And so we ask that to be a gen dice for the Vimis community, we're known for the Vimis community here refugees. So I ask that you guys who will consider that. That installment and I know the public, the community will be very happy. Should I go for a vote? We have motion for a vote. Okay. So my motion is made by Councillor Mimbaer. Wain seconded by Councilman Van West, which is to install the fourth flag pull in front of City Hall to display the yellow flag with three stripes. I'll go to call roll. Councilman Van West? Yes. Councilman Burmanzo? No. Councilman Van Wain? Yes. Vice Mayor Ho? No. Mayor Wynn? No. Motion failed, two, three. Wow. And you have other agenda, Mr. Namguang, but you have no request. Right. agenda Mr. Nam-Gwang, but you want to request. All right. I request to agenda as an item to discuss about $1 million that the curry was even us. And we failed to accept that. Do I have a second? Yes. And may I elaborate on that one? Yes, please. I guess it's earlier. The $1 million we saw and take a look into it. And you know, if we can continue to use that for the homeless police and also for the homelessness in our city without one million dollars. Okay, without going deep into that, now you have a question for city attorney. We just had the question on that item and we are not proud of that is that okay for us to go ahead and each other. This is this potential litigation right now between the two parties. So I mean the council's free to have an open session item but there is, you know, we're a bit at odds with the thing. We have nothing to hide from the public. Yeah nothing to hide. We transfer the fancy. Because of the potential litigation. That's all. Okay. So there's a motion in the second underflow. I'm a motion made by council member Wynne, seconded by council woman in pan west. This is to discuss the $1 million that was allocated by the county. I'll go out a call roll, councilwoman fan west. Fan west yes. Council member Monzo. Since there's potentially a gaysian, I don't even understand why it's even being proposed. It's very responsible. Because we have nothing but high. You guys have a whole lot. Because we have nothing to hide. And you guys have a whole lot of things to have. We're not going to discuss it more. Just to show that we want that bill for all police. Okay. You don't give them free money. Oh yeah. We don't want to discuss any further. We just, okay, go ahead and do a cash level. No. Wow. Can you remember our new in? Yes. Okay, go ahead and do a cast of a no. Wow. Councillor Boehmeer, Nguyen? Yes. Vice Mayor Ho. This is a closed session item and we already started talking about it in closed session. So no. Mayor Nguyen. Same thing as closed session and it's been scheduled three times and some of the cast of two is not to talk about it. So no. and it's been scheduled three times, and some of the council's too, it's not to talk about it. So no. Motion failed, too, that's why we need to discuss it. So you guys wrote to keep the money. Motion failed, too. They're gonna sue you as best that you go to the table and talk to them. This is the time that we are voting for the agenda item. You're gonna make us get lost you mr. Mayor from the county Because you're not one together We're not talking about it. We're not discussing anything If you have the third one go ahead and bring it out I would you to I Since I have to look through my email. I would you to I since I have to look through my email I would use okay Can I ask to the woman west if you allow to say This is customer agenda requesting also comments on yeah, we sent it to the staff. Including AB1234. If you have anything else. You know what? How many items that I sent you? I had four. Nam Kwon, let me text it to you. Right. One. Supreme Court is below to me. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay is yours. Okay. All right. Next is, because of Mezzel. Oh. This is for, oh yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I just remember that when I send you. Okay. That's a request of, and I request a third party to invest in education into Amy's, she's just being targeted by some of her opponents activists. activists, you know, by calling the police to report that her jeeps is not being used and to cause her trouble. So the title that was was request for investigation into potential targeting of council member fan west that was the request. Right, yes. Do I have a second? Yes. And then protection of Namguang, protection of me too. That's a second action to that. They're going to what know on that. Well they want us to be heard, that's why. Mr. Chut, are you ready to see the training? Requesting to look into that matter. I think I need to more know more information about it before I agree to that. How can I know how I ask for it? I think that that might be something for a closed session. Okay. Because it's, you know, it's a free discussion about liabilities and risks. Okay. All right. So your recommendation is probably for a closed section on that. So. And you'll hear which closed section. We can talk about it. I'm okay. No council members should be targeted by their opponent, supporter, no matter why. It's unacceptable. And especially if you are getting a request for a call session, right? Yeah. We'll talk about it. Are you going to attend a call session? For this item, yes. Okay. All right. Good. So. Because he doesn't want to be targeted. And he doesn't want any of the mayor council be targeted. That should be respected. That's okay. I'm going to make sure we don't care about what's right and what's wrong. We need you to be at the meeting. Okay. So I have a motion made by Councillor Winn. Seconded by Councillor Minn and Fanouest to take an item into close session regarding investigation into potential targeting against Councilman Fanouest. I'll go out and call roll. Councilman Fanouest? Yes. Councilmember Monzo? Yes. Councilmember Winn? Yes. Vice Mayor Hill? Yes. Mayor Winn? Yes. Five zero motion carried. Vice Mayor Hull? Yes. Mayor Winn? Yes. 5-0 motion carried. All right. Councilmember, I mean, I'm in the Councilmember Hull. Yes. This is something I have asked staff to agenda. Probably a couple of meetings ago. I know it's supposed to be for early, the first meeting of August, but then I moved it to, I said it was okay to do it like this session. Today's meeting, it's the Supreme Court ruling. But I never, I didn't see it on the agenda. So I guess, I would agenda is that Supreme Court says that cities can ban homeless encampment and how can our city start exercising the anti-encampment law and what's the process. We just want to get us in. You just say that's my item that's in the queue. You guys all have it. That's not cool. So don't give us a, like, I didn't steal your item. Come on. But we were, we were planning to actually have a presentation on this issue. We were kind of planning for this meeting and then it didn't end up on the agenda. So, but we're ready to make that presentation. Yeah, that's, that's what that was because I We kind of planned it for this meeting and then it didn't end up on the agenda. But we're ready to make that presentation. Yeah, that's who that was because I requested that in early will I have a agenda. Mrs. City of ending, meaning we who? We meaning who? My office. A presentation about the, yes, about the Supreme Court case. Okay, so it's already legitimized by your office. It was requested a while back. Okay, so it was requested and it's going to be on the next agenda. What? Okay. Okay. No one requested it except for me. So the item was on the agenda. There's actually been multiple council members who'd asked for this question. I know that when there was a homeless task force or ad hoc committee meeting with you and councilman West, you guys both mentioned it. When we mentioned about this. You mentioned it in the item. I know other council members asked about it. So city attorney because the new laws coming out, they were gonna do a presentation anyway. So no one actually has a state claim to the item per se. So I wanna make a motion. So right now who is gonna get it? Is it? It's... But Amy and I did actually put in the homeless task force. We put in a request, right? That's what we've been working. We put this before vacation, July. So we put it in June. You put it during vacation. You were on vacation already. So in July, the first week of July, so that's a long time ago. It's in queue for a long time. Well, we didn't meet in July. But we talked to you when the Supreme Court happened. And Christian, you sent out an email with a PD that we're going to hold it. Yeah, and we can put it on the agenda to talk about this court decision with the homeless. And don't fall correctly, if I'm wrong. And how we can show compassion, but at the same time forcing the city law, that was our agenda item. So you asked, so you asked for a particular item in a meeting that I was not present in, so you did not. A thoughtful and Christian was there. Christian at the time also advised that before you should talk about some of these laws because this is a new case, you don't want to reinvent, you don't, you want to see what some other cities are doing, you want to evaluate things. That's why this presentation that is coming from City Attorney's office is educational but not necessarily placing the laws. And that was actually legal advice from the city attorney. That's right. We're limited. So there's a lot of going things going on right now. I don't think that we need to discuss into the matter. Is this possible that we can take this offline and not exercise this meeting. What do you mean? You mean the closed session? No, there's going to be a discussion at the next meeting about the homelessness in general and the Supreme Court ruling. But there's nothing that's proposing an implementation or laws, etc. That was the advice that was legal house advice. Is it going to be at next meeting anyhow? So there's no need to agitize at this point? No, no, it would have been on this agenda, had this agenda not been really long. So, okay. So, I understand. And it's going to be on the next agenda. Okay. So, I don't think there's a need for anyone, one of us, the agenda, I said this item. Okay, so we're not going to fight over that councilmember whole do you have anything else? No. Okay. All right. Councilmember Benzo. Yes, Mayor. Thank you. I know I had this for a while but with a new policy, I'm gonna do it this way. So I wanted to do a vacant property ordinance to curb all the blighted, all the blight in our communities and all the lack of maintenance on vacant properties. So I think it's something that we need to must do all the lack of maintenance on baking properties. So I think it's something that we must do to occur that. So that's an item that I would like to put on. Okay, sir, seconded that. Seconded that. So I have a motion. Do we have a city entity? We have authority over those. Yeah, when I'm. Besides the grass, you know, something like that. Yeah, if a, some cities have done it where properties are vacant for a certain period of time, it becomes attractive nuisance. So you try to just deal them with, with them when they're vacant for a long period, or situations where there isn't a building on it and it's vacant and that's somehow creating maybe weeds and other issues like that. So just addressing vacant properties so that it doesn't degrade the community. City Attorney, can I follow up on that question I want to understand. So are you trying to say that if a house is vacant for a long time, then the city can take it? No. No. Can the city take it? I think you were trying to commercial, right? Is that something that I've been working with staff, but as it still takes a long process, so they were looking at other cities of what they've done with their vacant property ordinance as far as what can be done what are they doing. We have a lot of vacant properties in the community that have issues, they have homelessness issues, they don't have fencing, they have poor maintenance or no maintenance puts whoever there's a lot of different issues Concerning vacant properties. Okay. I think it we have enough Yes, we have way more we've discussing this way too much So what do we have in the I don't want to do it deeply to that because So we just we just need to put item on or not this juncture It's not we can have a discussion of the meeting We have motion on the floor so I've been motion made by councilmember Monzo a second made by vice mayor ho to Agenda is an item for big-ent property ordinance. I've got a call roll councilwoman can west No, I still like taking people's property councilmember Monzo. Yes Councilmember Wayne Yes property. Councillor Member Monzo? Yes. Councillor Member Wynne? Yes. Vice Mayor Hull? Yes. Mayor Wynne? Yes. Motion carried for one. All right. That's it for me. Okay. It's been a long long day. Councillor Mellon West. Yes, thank you. Okay, so I want to agenda these three items. So let me start with the first one. I want to, this is the reason why my item is a little different. Implement the Supreme Court ruling to aid the homeless with compassion while seamlessly enforce the law in the city of Westminster, city the law on the book already. So that's all I'm asking, but we are also, there's two full, so we're enforcing the Supreme Court law with compassion. And then enforce the law we have on the book. So if that's okay to talk about it, I would appreciate that. I would like to ask staff and also see the attorney, how is this different from your item that you're planning to have it next meeting? I think it's the same and I think we need to have that discussion first. Okay. All right. So it's the same and we are going to have that item no matter what. So like I said earlier to take the item. Okay. If the city take it, that's fine. But I am motion if you can add that in as an action item if the council decide to do so. That we implement the law in the book already. You know, if that's what the council desire to do. All right. Thank you. Do you understand? Oh, and then the next one? You understand the question. Yeah, I mean, I think that would be part of the question for the council as to, after, yeah, it's part of the discussion that we're having. Okay, all right. Okay, my next agenda item. Oh, you guys want to vote? No, no, we don't need to. Okay, the next agenda item is. I asked to, I'm see where is it regarding. Oh my gosh, where is it? Which one is it? Namgrang, I can't see it on here. Oh yeah, I want to ask, according to the whistleblower, there is serious allegation that vice mayor Kimmelho leaked confidential information from a closed session about a property sale. The property value at 20 million was sold for just about 40 million. And it's alleged that vice mayorho received a substantial kickback in the process. This raises significant concern about the integrity and transparency of a local government. As a result, I have placed, I want to place an item tonight on agenda for September 11th for a council meeting calling for a through investigation into this allegation against vice mayor Kimmelie Ho. And I believe that both the public deserve full account. I believe we both, I believe that the public these are for ability, accountability on this matter. It is crucial that we ensure the proper ethical standards are upheld in our city governance. So I motion. Do I have a second? No, I believe that the city manager, I see the attorney has- No, no, I see the attorney has. No, no, I can't do anything. Is there a second? Okay, yeah, I'm about to second hand. No, I have a question for a city attorney. Clearly this is before their terms. And at this time here, I don't know where it is. It's a time that we need to look into that. You know, it was before the time. And we have several city business that we have to take care of. You know, like today, the time now is what?13 and we have a bunch of, so my question is, is it right to agenda's item that were before the time? And I'm actually saying what is it not going to make sense? Will you talk about it? Let me ask the city attorney. Is it okay to please the item? Well, it's just a general discussion. If you don't agree then just vote no. Don't put it on vote no. Okay. All right. Okay so we have motion as they come out for. I have a motion made by councilman Fenwes. I can invite council member Wynne. This is to agenda is a thorough investigation into vice mayor Ho regarding a closed session about property sale? Leaking closed session property sale and getting a kick back on it and we need transparency and Apply the ethical standards to local governments Okay leaking closed session Material about a property sale I'm gonna call call roll. Councilman Fann-West. Before I vote, I know what the outcome is already. You've proven us. We all know the answer. So before I vote, I'm going to mention that we will bring it to the FBI. So not a problem because they can take care of it. You can stop voting. You're not supposed to be discussing it. can take care of. My vote is yes to put on the agenda. Councillor Romando. Councillor Erwin. Yes. Thanks Mayor Ho. No. Mayor Wynne. No. Motion failed 2-3. Next, next item goes to my move west. So you already put the targeting right to discuss, so that's discussion now. Okay, and is that all we have? Nam Guang, I don't know if I'm missing anything. I think we, we're done. We're done. Okay, so before, I think we're done. We're done. Okay. So before I finished this ABC. I just want to check with. Yeah. A doful. Did I miss anything or left anything out on the agenda pending? No. Okay. Then I'll make a last statement. So Tina, I just want to address. Thank you for coming sharing your incident. I'm sorry that happened to you. I don't know about it because I never talked to the school board regarding that. The school board and the council are different. We don't really talk. Maybe they're same in some way but we don't really talk with the council and the school board. And you mentioned, I appreciate you sharing, may I finish? The thing is that I, thanks for sharing what happened to you. I'm sorry that happened to you. No one should have to deal with those abuse, okay? And I will continue to fight and you saw me fighting for people who are being abused and bullied and I will continue to fight for that and When you mention What are you talking about I don't may I finish mr. Mayor? May I finish yes, okay? So the thing is that when she mentioned about David Johnson I we are completely opposite. I don't know. I don't know how you can associate. We're not even friends, okay? Yes, maybe you should do your research. We're kind of like competition. He wants to take my seat. That's not having you coming. He want to be a council member. So if I leave, he's going to be here to run, to take care of you. He wants to. He will be your council member. He will be your council member when I leave. I give you enough time to talk about this. You can, but I don't support him. All right, thank you. Okay, then don't let us together. I don't support him. It's my time. I don't support him. And then number two, I just want to say thank you law enforcement for being here. And thank you for working hard and I appreciate keeping the city safe and continue to do good job. And I'm sorry, I feel like you have to pick side but you don't have to just continue to do the right thing and you always win at the end. So elections coming up in November, things can change. And I'm excited for the new change coming up, but keep up the good work staff and, you know, police department. And I just want to say thank you so much for those of you who came out and want to speak up of being bullied by other activists. I'm sorry. Know that I'm behind you guys, I will fight for you. That's why I got elected is like I promise that I will defend my city. I will protect our first and second amendment and down the line of the constitution. I will defend it. I will protect our family, our freedom, and our way of life. And that's what I promise and I will uphold that. And thank you even though they try to silence me the dictators. I don't serve them just to let you know I serve the people who elected me. And I will not cow-tail to their dictatorships. So no for sure, if I'm the only one sticking my neck out, I'm fine. Because the public voted for me to be in there, to be their voice. And I will continue to do that. And thank you for your support and those out there who are supporting me. God bless you, God bless your family, and have a great weekend. Thank you. My turn. I want to thank you all for staying into this moment. It's our song for all of us. But we did get our agenda through. So we don't have to continue next meeting. So at this time, I would like to attend the meeting. And the next regular meeting will be held on Wednesday, September 11, September 11. September 11, 2024,th, September 11th. September 11th, 2024 at 6 p.m. Meeting adjourned.