So as you can see we've got an agenda for tonight. So the first step is just to kind of recap and remind everybody both on the town council and the community about kind of our budget situation and how we got to where we are today. So for the first all several years ago, the board noticed us and the Board said, hey, we tend to look at our finances year by year. And we think it would be a more physical, responsible project to look at a multi-year approach to how we do business and plan financial work. And so we started doing five-year forecasting. And about that same period, we also saw a situation where our expenditures were outpacing our revenues. And we talked about it, and really there's three main reasons for that. The first is the cost of everything that's gone up, especially as things spike, I think the place is about 2022. And we saw costs going up across the board, so everything from asphalt to office supplies. The second reason our expenditures went up was because there were some things that the the boards that have, listening to the community and there's some things that we really really wanted. So for example road resurfacing, road maintenance, after the evolving shooting, helping play our part and getting up the time, starting off the elevator squeeze, and then the third reason is just is just labor cost skyrocketing. With the town, we've got a number of functions. But when it comes to labor costs, the majority of those costs come to be what we're supporting. And even before COVID, in spite of everybody's salaries, it's not the cost, the demand for police officers greatly outweighed the supply. And when COVID happened and that labor shortchap was kind of like foreign gasoline was all to the point. And so, again, those are the three reasons we saw expenditures increase generally. Again, the recap, cost of everything went up just like to all experience and whatever organization you're part of and in our own personal life. Secondly, there were some services that the Council say they are residents want this and we want to provide it to them. It's a good thing. And then finally, they ever costs especially with police. So as we went forward, we saw this. We also had an opportunity where we got off a funding, which is funding, co-productive relief funding, that low government, virtually everywhere, have got from the federal government, we just it. And different jurisdictions chose to do different things with the money and what our board chose to do was to help basically keep the tax rate from not getting raised while keeping services in the center. And over the course of several years, we did that. And now the rental money is getting extended this fiscal year. So for the future fiscal year, for our next one, the one that we're having the conversation about now, there's a budget deficit. And we're in for that budget deficit, because of our government. This isn't an unusual problem. Look, governments all over the country are facing a similar issue in some way. You even see it with nonprofit, popular groups. It's something that's not unusual. So now, ultimately, the decision is the the decisions the same discussion we've had in the past couple of years is do we want to increase taxes or do we want to kind of cut some core services. Either of those decisions are painful. They're going to be unpopular. So you really have a tough decision in front of you. But staff are here to kind of support you, to help provide you with information. Go ahead, sir. Grant, tell me where he's not to be here tonight. It's more like just a simple Sunday. I'm sure it should be more accompanied. It's awesome to go. That's like a. Yeah, sure. No, it's okay. Welcome. You ready to hear? My daughter has the same high path. The same case. But if grandma just get her by a recap and the job gets set up, this includes. Y'all have a tough decision, right, as leaders as to what. Whatever decision you make, it's going to be a knockout. It's to have this professional leader to kind of support, fall into the napping of the decision, get you the information that you feel like you need to be informed and really help you along with it. So, that includes the recap and we've got a budget schedule. As you know, it's a party right now. Everything that's great out, we've already kind of done it. So, just go ahead and book it over to the next slide. We didn't get some of the data from the county as far as the reevaluation period. When we were projecting to it, we got it out. And so we figured a little bit the schedule to try to kind of stay on pace to kind of get where we need to go. And so that's the good news is that we have not added any more dates, changed any more dates. So all the dates that you have booked off in your calendars, they're still there, there's nothing there. So good news. So for tonight, it creates also a decision point and a pass that we're going to have from you all. So we're going to go over some of the budget scenarios, go over any information, see at the whatever before you can participate. But what we're asking you to do is either to select a scenario, to ask the manager to create a recommended budget, or to give me as the town manager some guiding in principle so that I can make a budget and bring it back to you. Now a couple of things there. First, by committing by directing us to credit budget, you are not committing to this is what we're going to do. This is just, let's get the budget completed as a draft so that we can come back and consider you the discussions and have these kind of conversations because it's obviously we can't, we've got three separate options, we can't create and we can but it's not feasible to coordinate the discussion of three separate ones, right? We need to have one and we can talk about it. So that's what we're asking for tonight and we submit as a recommended goal for tonight's video. And then once you do that, myself and our staff team will go back into the salt mines and create this crap button. And it's going to be a tight turnaround time turnaround time. We'll submit it back to you with the goal May the night and then from there We've got work sessions going to be just like we did before for department budgets We've got a May 19th meeting for the all committees meeting when listening to the board during the strategic planning process You all wanted to engage with the public and that was one of the steps that was identified to do that. And then finally, there's a special meeting if council desires that's optimal to kind of make any final changes. Then from there, same process, June 9th will have the budget public hearing, give the opportunity for folks from the public to come in, give feedback, and then from there we have until we have to go to June 23rd or June 30th for really, if we wanted to call special meetings to get that budget out. So any questions or concerns on the schedule? How's everybody's schedule for the June 9th and June 23rd? If I have a panel or a vacation? That's that second one. Second and fourth to the end. Good right now. That will be on the 27th of May. You're out to? As you think about those dates to think about the committee meeting, you want to go ahead and try to find a lot of the budget by the University of New Orleans, talk for community, or could be an opportunity to say hey these are some things we're actually worth working No it We don't have another budget meeting in England Yeah and the reason for that is just to give us some time to get a budget together From getting get together, you got two, two sessions on the 12th and 19th, the 5th, 5th, 12th. I assume it's for two more, but I have to figure it out. With, yeah, there's a good chance there for the 12th and 19th. Yeah, out by the way, we can prove it to the committee. Quick turn of the way. Well, one thing we talked about through was the five o'clock. There's a budget meeting on the 19th and then the committee meeting, we're proposing we have that at seven o'clock. 30 loose end, John might go. Yeah. You can get some rate next one. That's much percent, everybody. Any concerns with this? For Genders, for the wife, consensus? There. I see you, ladies. Now, Mr. Trump, you know, may I put it up? You're out. Since it's a If we need to bring about a schedule, we can always move some things around We just try to skip stick to the last meeting. Then in one day, typically the most preferable days. I mean, we can do anyone on the board. All right. All right, any other questions? Okay. So moving right along to the budget scenarios. So we've got a welcome information. Again, we're trying to pass it to you, the one subject at a time, so we don't what we've gotten from you about scenarios, it looks like this. And what we try to do here is just to give you a broad stack of what each scenario is. Things are a bit fungal in the sense that we can move some things around, but to give you an idea of what the tax rate would give you and what it would. So the first one is the revenue neutral tax rate. And I was one of the police's correctness'm wrong, but our tax rate is 15.6. That's the calculated revenue is a tax rate. And what our average increase in it up is about 57%. So, what? 1.6 is pretty, that's what they told us? Yes, or that's the calculate. You could change a little bit as we were still waiting for an answer on some appeals, but that's probably a good walk around the room right now. I know my appeals in, I haven't heard anything. Today, right? Four things in the field. Turn down the motion. Well, no, sit down and actually discuss it. for that presentation. Among themselves? It has to go through the board. Yeah, the board. So if you have heard by now, I mean it's probably going to be a little more process. I got a file the first day with the film, and I got a email from a couple of days. I think it would a couple days. They had nearly 4,000. What happened to them? What happened to them? They had nearly 4,000 plus. I think they were going to be a little bit of a foul. I was the same though. I actually just wouldn't have asked him. Are you wearing your boat for this? You go out and pump it? Yeah, that's a tough job. The good news is that these numbers would account for appeals if anything, it might go around. But generally I think it's probably a pretty good walk around number right now. I'll ask comment where it's a few years pretty quick, it's good to deliver. I was $1,000 less on my house and what the timing value for that. Zilla was in the business but for living, so it was good number better. Yes sir, I hear you. And so you'll see that 15.6 number. And then you'll look at a number and this is something that I want to make sure we understand. Ryan's stand is additional average impact. So you may say, well, if it's revenue neutral, how could there be an average impact? Well, a couple things. First, this is the revenue, keeping it revenue neutral for the entire town. It generally states the same. There's a bit of nuance in there. Generally, as a general concept, that's the case. Also, at the same time, this is the average. So someone pay more. Some will pay less. That's how you get the six dollars. With the revenue neutral budget, you're looking at a budget deficit of $550,000. And that is with using close to $600,000 for funds out. So we went through our CIP, we looked at the fund out policies and what it adopted. And it was kind of one off, one time capital purchases. We plug those based on the policies from the fund out. So that's worth $5.98 came from. Exactly, yes sir. We can't list it back. Yeah, this gesture just advised me that we have a list of that. OK. And so what does this include? Well, it maintains the current levels of solid waste collection. Police services, park services, events, through police replacement vehicles. What does it exclude? Well, we did a study over a year ago, or about a year ago, I guess I should say, that found that with growth, we need to be adding police officers to the long term, be able to sustain quality police service homes. And what that found is we needed to add six positions. And so the idea was we can't add them all at once adding two of these, with this red, red and the neutral budget, we probably could not add those two police positions. Also, you will eliminate all the little funds for street pairs and push those repairs in the future that we're looking at in redbone. You'll appear, the streets will still be our responsibility. So really, again, like we talked about, really tough things to talk about and comfortable things. But those are the kind of things that you need to start talking about, excluding if you wanted to keep that tax rate that low there. What's the value of that? That's the dollar, it's the other thing. Yeah, what's the value of the place? The place for the vehicles and the positions for testing. That easy to come up with. I've got it. Just give me a minute to find my next map. And I can tell you. So those two new police positions with salaries, benefits, insurance, and the vehicles, you're talking about $290,000. And vehicles, that's different in a three-replacement. It's, we were only building one new vehicle for the two positions. Chief, please try and man if needed. But he was saying that we could get the two new positions and only have to add one vehicle for the time being. So, but that said, that would be four vehicles. Total is what we would think. That is for your question. Okay. Sure. Thank you. Embedded in the end is two new positions. It's also one vehicle. Correct. For total cost of around $2.90. And that is excluded in scenario one, but are included in scenario two. And then just one more thing to elaborate on when Alex was talking about revenue neutral, just keeping on the revenue neutral calculation is on our total tax base. So it is not, the rebound is not the common thing that goes into that calculation. The things that are not under rebound also go into that as well. That's a good point and I want to make sense of that because we're talking about re-evaluation. We're talking about real estate. Right? That's what's getting re-evaled. But... County, not like one of our county property. Yeah. It's not including Met. And it's also not re-evalent. In a way, cars are done every year, right? They have things to update. So is this something to do? All right. Well, I think Steve, Steve, my next question, I would please compute some of this additional average impact for scenario one or any of them. Six dollars per month. What does that mean? So what that means is, like I just said, the revenue neutral is on our total tax base. So because the average impact that our homeowners in stalling solves a 57% increase, even if we were to go to the revenue neutral rate, homeowners would still see it increase in their taxes. And it would be $6 a month or about $58 a year at that revenue neutral tax rate. Based on the average high value that Van presented to us in this presentation? There. I was just going to say one thing that helped me was that revenue neutral, just as a reminder, is that it's the amount that the town receives, not the amount that citizens pay. Right? Well, I just did a quick calculation. Only at the day, right, never mind. We need my textual rate test review to start with double. Not $6, not $58 a month or a year. Well, again, we did the average. And we did that based on what the county told us the average was. Obviously, everybody is not the average. There are going to be people who are actually lower than the average the average and there are gonna be people who are higher than that average So that's strictly average Because the everything coming stallings We got a lot of neighbors words that have a high dollar of big words. And so for them to average out to $6 a month, it doesn't make any sense to me. I have to see some more data on that. It's an additional $6 a month. Yeah, that's $58. Right, yes, yes. I just need to see some more data from the county. OK, so that the average house and the installing is $200,000? Next up. So from Vance presentation that he did here on Mark's 24th, the median value, the 4th revow was $290,500. And the median value now after a revow is $446,500. And so those are the numbers that we used to do these calculations because that's what the county provided to us. Thank you. How does this $6 get skewed when we have new houses that came on board? Their average, the time of four was zero and now they're paying taxes. Can that $6 actually be skewed somewhat by the fact that those new houses could be playing the vast majority of that six dollars I wouldn't say that I mean because the six dollars is truly based on the current average house of what The county told us the value is now I mean those new houses when they come online Little pay taxes based on whatever value they are assessed up. That gets your question. It does but then the math doesn't work because how can we generate the same amount of revenue but have maybe I'm to understand but we have more people producing. We have more places producing money. So the way the revenue neutral calculation works is we realistically cannot figure in properties that aren't value now and pay in taxes. So the way that that works is we take last year's tax base what we got off the 2024 TR2, and we basically use almost all of those same numbers for Mecklenburg County. And then for Union County, the only value that has changed is real property. Every other number that we're using in that calculation is the same as last year, because all those other things were not read out. Is that? So again, we have 100 town homes that came on board. That doesn't figure into this calculation at the moment. If they hadn't come on board yet, you know, because they weren't in the rebound number that the county provided to us. Because we can only use what the county tells us our tax base estimate is now. So that's all what we have to use. What's the county's tax rate right now? I don't know. I'll talk to you later. I don't want to stop my head, but I do have that on my knees. Okay. You got the counting. Yeah, just's 1.75. You know what I'm saying? So, it's done now. Okay. Okay, I have a much more 16-foot. Four. So, in a depth time, it's 1.75. Okay. I have a much more than 61. 58.8, yeah. I have it on their sheet that they put online with tax rates, but Aaron just pointed up together. I include the fire tax. I have to be in the amount, I'm going to see. together. Try to include the fire tax. I'm going to have to put the amount in to say. Try to include the fire tax. and I'm going to the second scenario, this is the red. So when I see width 588K, come down to the bottom and start this authority process. Is that meaning that we're taking $598,000 from fund balance? So for all these scenarios, we're taking money from the fund balance in general. Yes, that's exactly right. So under a fund balance policy, we're adapted in December of the week. For things that are kind of one time or eligible, we applied those costs to, from fund balance, we've gotten more than enough for those under that policy, and we're able to do it. So if you wanted to look at it as a whole, you could add the bounce put plus minus foot plus minus 590, 590, and what it is, that would give you the gap without fun balance. Okay. What's that fun balance ever right now? So we'll hear. Sorry, I'm just kidding. You guys don't. You're fine. I will say, Eric just pulled up the fire text and it was 5.35 sand. So just to add that, fund balance. I have it under some lots of paper. So let me pull that one out. Okay. Okay, so we ended fiscal year 24 with an unassigned fund balance of $11.2 million. Now since then we have adopted that fund balance policy. So if we do the calculation of the 34% what it should be, then we would have ended 24 with an own and signed fund balance of $9.6 million. We've already appropriated a little, just under 800,000 this year. So we still have $8.8 million available for appropriate issues. Sorry, we ended the year at 11. We're now at, we've used 800,000, so we have 80 million, not all of that. Okay, so there's one more thing that happened in between now. So we ended 24 and our audit shows 11.2, but that's because she'll did not adopt the new fund balance policy until December, which was after the audit was finalized. So the audit showed on a signed fund balance as 11.2 million dollars. That was 20% of current years adopted budget. Well, per the LGC's guidelines for cash flow reasons, they have recommended minimum unassigned fund balance percentages. We fall into the 34% minimum. So in December, y'all adopted a fund balance policy that aligns with the LGC's recommendation now. So when I just quickly redid that calculation, it moves the unassigned fund ballots down to $9.6 million. Because we are now keeping a minimum of 34 percent based on the LGC's recommendation. So then if that's already happened and now we're down to 9.6, we've already appropriated 773 we now have 8.8 million left. You know, line just... So, where do You don't mind? Just, so where did the 800 go? Different things, we've brought a few ABOs to y'all for various things, but a lot of it is where we had already entered into contracts and agreements or things at the end of last year. And so those items that contracts or PIAs or something that had to be carried over into the new year to continue with business that we had already started in last year and the way that that works is it's just an appropriation of fund ballots because they were things that started in last year. And that's the labor that's been delayed. But did we, to, I know we increased taxes last year, but we didn't want to do the full. I think it was at 5% and one point was to turn out. It is more amount and we said we would use fund ballots. Is it a million? 460,400 is mostly appropriated in fund ballots for the courier budget because we still had a little bit of harpa money when we started this year. So we did subsidize the budget at $1.1,000,000, but the majority of it was off that. So ARPA money was fully depleted back in October. So that money is going. And Eric, then it has what's being asked. So we're trying to figure out we have a lot of it. So it's pretty high. We allocated $1 million. It's worth it. Thanks for having me. All right, so the second scenario is the one campfire identified for analysis. So the revenue is across three centers. You see the tax rate is obviously 18.6. So the revenue is across three. The additional average impact is $17,000. What we calculate all those we see here receiving gear that's average, some will be more, some will be less. And then that balance is the budget for key factor in the fund balance. So what do you get for that? What do you get current levels of solid waste collection, police services, park services and events, three police replacement vehicles, two new police positions to further go to study, and I was pulling out of another vehicle to close along with that. And you get an additional 240,000 dollars in street maintenance. What is it, exclude? Well, the big thing is you're still not going on $560,000 from street repairs, which is the goal that we said. I mean, the goal that we said, that we should have been, that we should have been. Yes, yes, yes, ma'am. So this was several years, probably a couple of years ago now. The way we were doing our street maintenance was much improved from how we were doing before. But when we were looking at it and we ran a bunch of different analyses, we were realized that the rate at which our street maintenance Levels was degrading was it was degrading a higher rate than the money you're putting in And and streets are like roads right in? In the sense that, I mean, streets are like cars, so I'm just curious. So, I'm just going to spend that. Is that it's cheaper to change the oil than it is to buy a new engine, right? We all know that. And the same is true with roads, too. Cheaper but in a lot of ways to proactively do crack ceiling, apply topical surface treatments to extend the right for the road. Now that doesn't mean that one day you're still going to have to replace the road eventually. Just like you'll still have to replace your car into it. But by doing those things, stretch your dollar out of the longings. We were just, for the most part, just rebuilding roads. We weren't doing the product or stuff. So the board looked at that, and as we looked at all the different things, there was several volume of conversations. There was a number that had settled on this. We contributed this money each year. It'll allow us to maintain our roads and get the point where we're spending money on roads. And we know if we can, if we invest this, we'll get $300 on the longs. Now if we didn't do that, the sky wouldn't fall, right? It'd come July 1st. The roads wouldn't completely fall apart. All of the way we, you're pushing the cost into the future at probably at the rate or rate, because it's more expensive to rebuild roads than it is to proactive with maintenance. Does that make sense? No problem. Yeah. Okay. No question. So, underlying all of this is the big budget spreadsheet that has revenue on the top, expenses on the middle, unbound to the bottom of the net number. It is the revenue tax revenue coming in. Has that been, is the function in the cell? This year's tax revenue times 1.5a or whatever it is, the growth rate to the rebound. It's not? When you look at the numbers, and I do have the five-year forecast, that's where we were going after we talked about the scenario. If the math when you see that five-year forecast is not going to come to that exactly, and that's because again that advolum tax on five-year forecast is going to also include items that were not right now. So, yeah, thank you. So, then my question becomes how do we account for these steps at a moment ago? New development online this year, that was it last year. We did some back-of-the-unload stuff by the bunch of media. So Bailey Mills, Town Homes, 92, Broadway home, now go from 3.5 to 35 million. Stone Creek went from 10 million to 73 million to S. Valley. I had a lot of apartments from 2.3 to 18. I had a lot of apartments from 2.5.7 to 19. And they're down in my neighborhood. Chestnut went from 1.3 to 1.3. I was 30, it's 16, so what I'm getting at is there was some development that we approved and got on the books, town homes, multi multi-family, all that got sold, rented. That's all new before, as part of, I guess I should say, the real value. Well, about 58%. 58% So I'm just trying to figure out how do we account for that? And I'm nervous. Does that make sense? Yeah, it's really revenue. It doesn't get happening every year, but it would be better if we go? Yeah, yeah. It's good to go forward. But when we're using the county, he said gosh, Dowlings, it's 58% growth. wider, I forgive this county wider than your town That's on top of the previous years The event is fairly sizable Five or six big hits I would say because development came online I'm just trying to figure out what kind of revenue that added. My back of the math could add a quarter of a million or $300,000. This point can't be extra bad because they have not given us a tax scroll that lists every single property individually. This is what I received to do these numbers. And it says our real property value is now $3.6 billion. That is all that I've ever seen at this point. Brad, I think that's what I was trying to explain. This is $6 a month. It may not actually be $6 a month. Depending on how that breakdown is, you might actually be paying you, like you paying, let's say $10 less because somebody over there and Bailey Mills is paying their full share. Well, just imagine that if the county sends you a $3.6 billion or something, number.. And that's what we're using to build our budget on. Correct. I'm assuming that that county number looked at every one of those late, the most held homes. They've got a spreadsheet that says it went from $30,000 in value, that it was just a shell. Now it's worth $400,000. Okay, so it's still there. But at this point, I haven't seen those individual break out. This is truly the only thing that they have given me to buy numbers. Yeah, and what's that number? 3.6 billion. We can get you a copy of this sort of problem. But as far as those new elements were at, The Canadian hills probably got rid of them last year. Now again, well some revenue, but majority of them. Rebound number went from, most of them went from, like nothing but fully purchased and occupied. It went from 30,000 to 500,000 three bills Revenue Sold If stone Creek was built after Yes, some majority of those are I mean, these are actually looked at that. Some Creek did go from 10 million in assessed value of 200 different properties all together at last time we looked at 10 million. But now they're sold individually. Now it's 73. So 63 million is a new revenue from last year this next year. And they're apartments obviously. Yeah, and if you know that, and this is important for us. They don't pay on rental rate. They pay once a year. They pay. Yeah, once it's developed. Well, I chestnut apartments sold for $80 million assessed for $60 million. So what we learned from the county now is how it's helpful in getting this with rental properties, townhome rentals, apartment rentals, the county approach through income approach and that's really not as impactful as for cell products. So if you ever have a choice and I can get for a for sale or for a rent product, you probably want to do for sale. The tax basis is the only mechanism for evaluating it. I'm sorry, go ahead. You may have I'll answer my question. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Great. Thank you. Great conversation. So the revenue is full. All right. Scenario number two. It's plus three cents, 18.6. Additional impact, $17,000 a month. Bounce, but it was $598,000 in fund balance. What does that include? We'll just go through that. Set scenario number two. And then scenario number three is, that's what we kept the tax rate the same, 21.6 cents. So the additional average impact will be approximately 28 dollars a month. It's a balance budget with 73,000 dollars in fund balance. And this we get to maintain solid waste collection levels, police services, park services, and events. Police vehicles, the two police officer positions, and fully fund street maintenance. So a couple things we've already touched on in the box in the bottom line that I want to make sure we mentioned is that the fund by-offs preparations are one time for capital items. All scenarios maintain sales tax revenue, but there are a couple things we've learned recently. It gave us pause with sales tax revenues. The first one I'll mention, the second one I'll ask Jesse and the other one. So Union County, counties in North Carolina have a choice as to how they distribute sales tax to municipalities into them. So they can either do it based on per capita tax, per capita, I believe, or they can do it based on the total amount of the tax left. So the amount that people are effectively billed. And that's what Eugen County does. So, and we talked about this, you, those of you that are on the board during the last three bell may remember this, is that if our total percentage of tax loy is lower as compared to everyone else, we will get less sales tax. So what does that mean? So let's just make up hypotheticals right now for a second. So any trail wax all the county does the private and the road. There's other bigger governments in Union County. If they all kept their tax rate the same, and we, with the revenues for our sales tax, we're presumably going down because our percentage of our total tax levy would go down, right? Our percentage would get smaller. Now that's an extreme example. For a lot of reasons, I have laid out that all those places would do that. But we just need to be careful, something to be mindful of for the audience. Does that make sense? Okay. And then Jesse also sat on a recent call for sales tax, can you tell us about that? Sure. So I sat on a webinar last week, put on by North Carolina Medical Government budget, the Association, one of the things that they addressed was sales tax. So the first thing is we see sales tax. It's two months in a row. So we're getting ready to, this is April, so we'll be receiving February's sales tax this month, not April. And with the current state of the economy and things being so uncertain, the state has already started to see a decrease in sales tax in the general. Now obviously each county may be different, but that was something that was kind of being put on everybody's watch list. You know, just watch sales tax and see what's going to happen because it may very well, regardless of it being recalculated because of tax levies, it may just be going down in general. So in verilis, that is our second largest source of revenue. So if we were to see a significant decrease in that it would have a big impact on our budget. But at this point, I can't even begin to estimate what that would be. Because they're not sure at this point. And again, we receive it two months in a rehearsal. One question. I know I asked this before. It has completely off. Why are the three police car replacements part of the CIP and not part of the police budget? Because we do it every year. It's not. I know that it's quote-unquote a one-time purchase, but we do it every year, so that doesn't seem like it is actually a one- one time purchase so I mean it seems like that should just be part of the police budget for the replacement of the car house and maybe I'm wrong but yeah I think your point is a fair one students we do have a replacement cycle right a plans and that we're replacing police vehicles at any year's cycle. That's right, you have to pay years for patrol and ten years for kind of detective type vehicles. So we've got that cycle. I think it's fair to say, and this is just more part of the budget. I guess the reason why we consider it, part of the CFP is why it means the technical definition of a capital item. That's one reason too. It is a large amount of money, right? Police vehicles and how often the equipment. It's not cheap. And so it is a major expenditure every year. We want to kind of be transparent, show it in that way. And then thirdly, if we had to, you could take a year off of doing that, let's say there was a depression, right? We had to just kind of get by. Now, I don't think that's your point. What I perceive your point is this is a part of operational cost, right? I mean, I'm building it. And I wouldn't disagree with that. And it happens every year and I mean, yes, we could put them off, but I mean, I don't know about anybody here, but I don't want a cop police officer who just grabbed around and down your own vehicle to come save my life. Especially not a dog so but so I mean it just feels it feels to me like to me those police vehicles should not be a CIP or we should be in the thought. You guys, Eric. Point taken. And so that's all kind of the scenarios we've got. Here's the fun box. Let's go read numbers. One more time. Sure. I'm going to share my numbers and I'm going to surprise the series because he's banging on my calculator. I'm going saying here. I've been in the library. I took the average, the old average has value that the Unicat years, and then the new one, 4.46. And then plugged in the 1.56, 1.86, and 1.2. 1.6. So, the scenario number 2, 1.86, it would be an increase of $75 per household. That's what my numbers come up to. Which is not that bad. No, the second one, the point 2.6. Is that an annual cost-wise? Yes, okay. The second one would be $250, $3. And that's significant. So both of those are manageable, but let's say the county doesn't do what they've told me they're going to do. I don't know how much fun battles they have. What particular, what shape they're going to have. I'd love to know that. I guess I need to get into looking at their numbers or something. You have somebody who has come from, and it's an Italian. But because they don't go revenue neutral, look at that's to be the biggest hit to our citizens. So we've got to put a pile on with 0.2, 1.6, 2.5, 3.0 dollars on top of that. That's going to be the, you know, the pain point for our citizens. I don't think anybody can screen those percent of the houses and we have to keep all the interruptions. So that's what I'd love to know what the county's position is on fun ballots. And they extend their heart for money to be happy to live. So it's all a proper knowledge we can research that out and just need that pre-share. Sure. All right. Thanks, Mayor. is a bright way you can just go to the air and you want to share it. Sure. All right. Thanks for having me. And here's the... I'm Brian Wood. You can just go over here. You want to share it? No, no, I don't mind. That was the same math you did in the sort of... My home was on the frame of reference. I know what my name is. Yeah, I did the same thing. What is it? So I currently have $68 a month in town. The revenue neutral was in the bank $15 more monthly. The $1.186 should $31 more monthly. And the last scenario before we $7 more monthly. did a month ago. I did. I did. I did. I did. Oh, I'm sorry. You did. Yeah. That's right. I mean, can there are so many scenarios that I mean, we can't possibly run all of them. That's why we just stuck with the county gas as the main. Thank you. Thank you. That's helpful. I mean, here's some drafts in here. You've got to see the fun ballots. I think someone ever forget who it was. Forgive me, asked, you know, what does the pump out appropriate you can go to? And you can see here what it goes to. And then we start getting more into it in the did, but just to give you kind of a list. And uh, I'm a personal jump, I think. I'm not bad enough. Just turn them off. I don't tell anybody that. So that's why I have a pen. It's beautiful. You have about 10,000. No. Yeah. I'm leaving. That's how. Splash plan, redesign. What's all of the things now? What's the redesign problem? Nick, do you mind talking about that a little bit? Thank you. I could have done it, but. No, I can't. The man with it. So our current splash pad The 110 would be replacing the spears that are in place right now a lot of those are getting into bad shape as far as the plates that affixed to them the holes have stripped out we replaced the rivets in them and Every time we have to take those off for the winter, put them back on, it just further cracks the ball, somehow cracks the one around the wood as well. Those aren't really easily replaced, but we have one spare just in case. But once that one goes into play, if one breaks, that's just going to be one that's out of service. So the one tin, there's really a range of options, would it be possible to pull up the sight and show the options or would want to do that? Let's do that now. So the more expensive option would be more, I guess, decorative, replacing the spheres, there would be taller structures that kind of spray down the ones in the splash pad. And then the lesser option would be basically the other end ground features that we have now, those would replace, we would replace the spheres with those all the way around and they would just angle inward. So it still looked the same as my sphere, so everything would be ground level. Now it would be significant,, at least less than a million. So Nick, once in, can you clarify the board, what does government suppose is it's just engineering and design, is it feeling the work? Yeah, it's engineering, designing, installation, everything. Yes, yes. So I wanted to clarify that. I think what I've told Nick is, you see splash pads, some kind of get like almost comic, with like the flowers, almost like Alice in Wonderland, such a, for here, those spears right now, it's elegant, right? I hear that from folks all the time that when they think of Stalin's splash pad, the spears are one of the things. Now there's probably some challenges with replacing them. They're custom design. It's also work and it's earned about moving forward to safety of them. If you go out there, the kids climbing on top of them all the time. So probably doing it in-ground, I think, is what I would recommend. It's probably be the cleanest, do what that, and in the comic book, be tight, whimsical designs, and also the top, it would also be the cheapest top. You want to go up here Nick? I'm sure some of you guys have questions about that sweat bread. The least scenario of the one hand. Once in that would be the high end using the kind of taller structure I think it's in in-foot tall structures, kind of some cards to them and then they spread it down onto the bed. And then the in-ground, I don't know, the numbers would be, I want to say the in-ground were 40-ish in total. And then the second question is the magnetic locking for the pick-up ball tends to course. But what's the reason? The angle of the ground? Yeah, the angle of the ground. The angle of the ground. The angle of the ground. The angle of the ground. The angle of the ground. The angle of the ground. The angle of the ground. The angle of the ground. The angle of the ground. The angle of the ground. The angle of the ground. passed that and then within two other two weeks passed that someone came on to donuts on and you can actually still see the evidence of that and pressure wash off so awaiting to have some warranty work done anyway toward the end of our one year warranty and get that same care of. But yeah, so that would be actually replacing the entire perimeter fence with the other issues of it kind of coming apart in places, aesthetics, replacing that as well as adding locking gates with a maglock time or system. The town center, the town center is pretty street skate, 50,000, it doesn't seem like much. It's not much, you're right. So, kind of zooming back, the one of the things that is part of the strategic plan board adopted was to try to kind of reconsider how do we apply streetscape in certain areas. And it's been several years since we've considered that. And so what the 50,000 would do would be kind of preliminary engineering. We're really getting our hand around what we call strong, what the utility and really kind of getting where we need to. For engineering, you're probably going to have a good bit. That was kind of just the first step. So we don't know exactly the scope yet, but that was the $50,000 for really kind of getting us started if we wanted to kind of revisit that. So I personally don't think it's maybe would come or engineering, but I don know what the scope is. I don't know if you have a plan, you know, do this and that. The trees are going and things like that. But it doesn't seem to me like it's enough. You know, we want to get this thing moving. It's not enough. You know, maybe your gut is right this hard. So. That's just the preliminary looking at it. If we wanted to move it faster, I guess the first step would right be identifying the areas that we want to do it. I would suggest you know, get the new tenant in here and then we're happy to have that conversation with y'all and see how far we can stretch that $50,000, but in no scenarios would that get us, probably, where we wanted to go quickly? I was just, we were just trying to balance moving forward with the sensitivity about the You can also use fun mouse too. Can I, we go back to the amount of start on our other, the two new police positions, only those. That was 290. About 290. To get the positions themselves, salary salary benefits insurance and one vehicle. And have we filled our part time position? Yeah, because I know we approved that by community. And over higher, and the over higher position was filled. It was filled? That's a good question. And then, you're, she, if you don't want to ask, you're at your current level. You don't have openings right now. Is that correct? No. No, actually we have 26 or full staff plus one. What we do happen is anticipated, they can see it coming this summer. So I have a problem with the Hector's group. group. But when it's like a lead, so I can get back here at seven. So I'll throw up in a two cents. I mean, well, I would like is something in between two and three, because two point one sixes are per text rate, right? And I think we based that and we were being maybe a little conservative last year. We were talking like, oh, maybe the rebound was going to be 40%, maybe 50% will solve how high it is. Pretty high, I think people are better upset. So, I work love to alleviate some of the pain that people are probably going to be feeling. Maybe go. Okay, I'll take. So where I'm going with this is I know we're going to have another re-evalent of the four years if not sooner. We're going to get it then hit again. And I'm looking at this saying 298,000, 298,000 for the police positions. I would love to have that. I just don't think we're going to fill that immediately. Because I know I'm in the past with that trouble. And I'm not... I love to give you as many many people as we can But that's where I'm thinking like you take that to 90 away and then You could put more towards street repairs And yeah, we still come up So much short, but I think any of these scenarios were gonna be different My vote would be like not vote of would just, I love to see, I want to give you, you know, do all these different numbers. I would just, my thought was like, could we do two? Just a flat two? 20 cents. That would be my vote. Can we just do, could we give it a little bit of a decrease? We don't go back to our old rate, but still it's something to do. I'll see how it gets us, how it gets us. Well, Grant, when I was a rookie in 2005, the police chief was the block plower. The flyover had been 30, 40 years. We've told me, and when I was arguing with him, he told me to wipe my job is to ask for the job to say yes or no. So, you know, if the job's passed, what do you need to do? He expected, you know, I think I don't like to get asked on it. I get in the same? I always go by myself. I do have to run regardless of what we do this year. I mean, we still, I guess my biggest question is, is the pipeer is going to come at some point. I do believe that we, regardless of what we do this year, and I know some challenges are out there. I mean, at some point, we've got to sit down and say, here we've got to balance the budget. We can't just, to some extent, regardless of what we do, we're kind of kicking this can down the road. And it's just going to, I mean, at some point we're going to have to, we're going to have to make a difficult decision. You know, we're going to have to cut services, or we're going to have to raise the taxes. And if that's not this year, maybe it's next year. But there's a town area coming up. We're going to have to face the facts and balance the budget. I mean, by counting for my direct disposition of that or counter that would be, we have a balance budget. Regardless of the law. This is a balanced budget. We're giving it the fund balance. And then I know that this is a different account. This is a different is different account but to me, fund balance is kind of retained earnings. So if you think of it, you have taken extra money in, put it off to the side and you're just letting it sit there. So, you know, as a corporation, you have two voices. When that you have that scenario, you either take that money and you invest in capital improvements or you give it back as a dividend. So, I think, dipping in, you can say it's kind of giving it back to the people. Because we are saying all this is central. And I agree with you, like at some point you can't keep doing that. You can't keep doing that. Yeah, I mean, that's all the same. At some point. So I hear 11 million dollars and that is, I think we're not, I'm talking in here tonight thinking we were at like, eight because we used them all. It's a mouth-lapse here and hey, that kind of, in the hermit, it was hard but... So yeah, I know like eventually you can't keep living in. So that's my point. And I guess that's the question here is at some point I feel like council needs to come up with a plan to get back to what I would call balance like it which is rather than it will be rather you third. It's expenditures. And no good. Yeah, okay, I agree. Maybe again, whether that's this year, next year, year after that, I do think the council has to call for a plan so eventually it gets us back there. And that's a good segue. We just passed out just the five year forecast with each scenario. So y'all can have that and just for free else consideration. We don't necessarily need to go through each one, but just want to go and have that. Well, now it's a sort of year of ask for the night. Give you a direction on what to do as far as bringing the rest of the skills. My recommendation is somewhere, you know, no higher than 1.86. And there's somewhere that you can live with, present, and to believe in somewhere around that level. That's not the obvious. On the federal official capital, the federal government, there are between 1.86 and 2.1.6. So you're okay cutting the happenling for street repair. That was the same. No, that was the first one. Okay, that's that. I'm okay with some other cuts. Nice. That's the same problem. Yeah, I'm okay with that. Alex ask me if you have any questions. Yes, I have. Yes, I have. Penny, what's it worth now for us? Right now it's about $367,000. Now that will, if we get any updated numbers from the county, you know, after appeals and things like that, it could change. But that's could change but that's what I actually got that just 367 out of line that's about 100 grand but now one sent to the taxpayer is 40 top down to you yeah I'm one I want to go into the budget I'm sorry. I'm going to give you $3.61. For $6.7. Thank you. All right. That's my two cents. Yeah, you don't want to know what your two cents were. Look, look. You're back with these sheets right here. I know what we're doing here. But if I look at the column, I think it's Y2627. What are you doing? The blue sheets just passed out. I'm looking all over. I'm in more of general questions. I go to the big, big anyone out there. So pick the revenue neutral on the first one. 1.56, 1.56. So if I look at that amount under add 1 taxes, FY2627 says $5.974 is that a good number based upon that $3.6 billion total tax based plus auto plus business personal property and all that. So that 5.9 million number you see there is 3.7% growth of the 5.7 in 26. And the 5.7 comes from? Comes from the numbers that we received from the county, all of our tax base. That's, you know, real property, personal property, motor vehicles, pre-reliar after re-dow after re-dow right that's this property, personal property, motor vehicles, and then we'll go after readout. After. Right? That's, this is what if we were to our revenue neutral, based on the current numbers that we have from the county, that's what we're estimating our revenues would be. And the 3.7% you'll see on the back. I kind of gave you some notes about where certain things are coming from. That 3.7% growth rate is the growth rate that we saw in 24. So right after the Mecklenburg Reval, we have to rub it in the children from that. But two counts on an air's point. I mean, all of these show that we are going to have to make some decisions in the future at some point, because we're forecasted in that under every scenario. We're not having enough revenues. We're not bringing in enough revenues annually to cover our expenditures. So what I'm letting out is you said that we did. of the questions that Brad always asks is growth versus, you know, over periods of years. I guess I'm not so much worried about the growth of the previous year, but what does that expense grow? So in other words, I mean, if our expenditures, I mean if our revenue grows by 25% each year, but our expenditures grow by 30% each year, we're still in the whole 5% so it's just a numbers game. So what is our expenses grow on average per year? Well, it depends on which expenses you're specifically looking at because they're all different. I'm looking for a total of four. It's on the sheet. It's just a nail that I've explained. What kind of total expenditures? So if you're looking at any of your five or four counts, the way that they're working is we've got the 26. And when we pull this up up here for everybody else to look at, oh my gosh. So, I'm looking at it. So we've got our first column is 25, 26, okay? And then 27. So this is the growth from prior year so we're saying this is going to be the 26th budget based on what we know right now this is revenues but the same holds transfer expenditures and so we're budgeting you know this percent of growth off of 26 and then same this thing. This percent of growth off of 27. And those numbers came from different things out there. An average of what we're seeing the past couple years or like with solid waste, you'll see there's a note that says that one's based on a 3% CPI plus 2% growth in locations. AndI. plus 2% growth in locations. And quite honestly, that 2% growth in locations might be low. In 24 we saw a rate of about 2.5% in locations and through March we're already at 1.8% in locations. Okay, let me ask you a question a little bit. Going with what Brad pointed out. I mean, from 26 to 27, we're going to look at 12% going from on average. Then jumps 15%, nearly 2%, and then we go back down to 4% and then down to 3%. That is because the capital expenditure loan is based on the CIP so it's not the same growth every year like you'll see in the other loans. It's based on the actual numbers that we have in ourIP. And you're two percent. I mean, and I understand it there, but at the other end of the spectrum, that number, that 1.1 million, I mean, that is this, this, this, made up with this over here. So I mean, this here says, I mean, so this includes the CIPs that were included with, with scenario one. Yes, if you're looking at the scenario one, five year forecast. Yes. Okay. And so do we have a... We do have a CUP. Oh, do we have like a 10 year average, like for that last one, total of the expenditures? Do we have a 10 year average? We do have a 10-year average. I could get you a 10-year average. It'll take a little while because just to get these averages, I had to manually do stuff and do that math because our software doesn't give us that. I was just curious, like, again, you know, the growth pattern is, I was just trying to understand our growth pattern versus revenues and expenditures and what the gap was there on average. So from 22 to 23, revenues grew 4.3% and total expenditures increased 1.2%. But again, you can't look at it in that bottom line like you're like you want to because because I mean like the restricted or non-recariting expenditures from 22 to 23 increased over a thousand percent. So you really do have to look at it at that category level but then from 23 to 24 revenues decreased 2% and expenditures increased 1%. I mean, I understand what you're saying there, but it depends on what my statistical analysis wants. If you tell me that my revenue grew by 10% and on average and my expenditures grew by 8%, it doesn't matter what what those right-spreads categories are, it's 10 and 8. We have a 2% overhead, right? We had more revenue by 2% come in than we did. Does that make sense? So it depends on what you're looking at from the numbers. If we have a higher number, I mean, if we're in a deficit, and our revenues are growing less than our expenditures, we're never going to catch up. And that's exactly what we saw in 24. So it's hard to take one year's worth of numbers. You'd have to have 10, 20 years worth of numbers to kind of see where the patterns go. My biggest concern here is that, like I said, eventually I feel like we need to have a come to Jesus meeting as they would say, how we're going to balance budget in my terms. In my terms is how my wife would say balance budget and that is revenue is equivalent to what we're spending. Because if I go into my wife and say, not a balances budget, but I'm only going to spend 73,000, she'd say, I was full of it. And send me back. So that's my big thing. At some point we gotta fix it. And that is the guy that's making me know, sort of doing my whole budget, absolutely. Alrighty, Alex, did you put anything else? Yeah, I think it's all information. I've got a sheet here that's got the re-bellum back for every time. I don't know, would that be helpful? Sure, I would. Well, it means that some of it, you needed a direction. Yeah, that's open. I just wanted to, if I were you, I would find this helpful and we won't show that. So I should have pulled it out saying, you're not calling us. So yeah, just get the direction from the board. Apart from where I am from, why? Well, that's the go wrong. Well, that one. So here, I'm pretty close. That's around the air. Around the air. So I have to be curious what everybody thinks. Try to get a consensus about which way to go, but... Could you send us a formula again this year on how to calculate it? What? How to calculate which way to be asking about it? Just how do you calculate your value? Again? Sorry, I can ask it. Number pin? Or onward? Yeah, at least. I should know if she could go over three. How do you come up with the A3? 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, or an order. Yeah, like, you know, she come up with three. And you come up with the A360. A360, I'm sorry. A360. Yeah. Take the value of the house to the 446, 500, about about 100, and then multiply by the tax, right? By point. Yeah. Whatever. Well, that was your decision. Look at that. That's how under way to balance the budget. So I'm not afraid of it. Number two, so that's going to allow it to actually do. I have to go. But I think I have to go. That's what I would. You've been strict enough. I'm sort of more in a Graham's camp. Alex, I think that the street repair is the single biggest thing that I hear people complain about. And so I'm very hesitant about taking that money away from there. So that would not be where I would want the full money for. But that's... I agree with that. Like a dovetail or a miller, but the reducing operating is better. Okay. To get to that... Red balance money. You've worked with me for six years, and you don't realize that this is where I planned to be at last year. This was my goal. So we're practically balanced here. We're 73,000. We can cut 76,000. This was my goal last year. This is my goal right this year. It's not the change anything. Because this is where I wanted to be at this year. What do you mean? You didn't even got to tell me. You didn't get to say gracious. I'm going up to you in a 36-go. I personally, that's essentially saying Steve, that as a man as they are, you that we're keeping the same tax rate. But let's just rough message. The problem that I have in understand this, I'm comfortable with that. And I understand why you wouldn't be comfortable with that. The reason why I'm comfortable with it is because I feel like we have got to get back to a point where we got a balanced budget and this budget has no money for anything outside of just keeping the wheels on the bus pretty much. So I hear what what you're saying, but at some point, we're going to have to tell people, we've got to deliver that message at some point regardless, whether you do it this year, whether you do it next year, or year after that. And the message is that the town either needs to generate more revenue or we need to cut services. And maybe something happens where we generate more revenue and that's great. But I'm okay with that, but knowing that people are not okay with that, I'm okay with the grants. I mean, $28 a month, I can barely, I eat at a restaurant in Staling's and I left the restaurant the average of what I paid for my meal for one meal was $20. So, that doesn't bother. It bothers me, but at the same token, it's a balanced. I'm not sure if I'm kind of sure. It russes me up too much. I'm still going down the ETH and it's $28. Every time I sit down and say it was so. Well, to me it needs to be a combination. Yeah. But this can't be at all over the back to the patch there. So, I'm sure it's a pain with the down. I'm okay with that. That's the reason why I said I'm good with the cram approach. Thank you. I'm sorry, great with crams. That's not a point. The exclude street repairs. And Alex, I'm going to be very honest with you. I see that you took 560 out for street repairs. If we do number two, I'm not sure I'm OK with that's where we cut that 500 from. I mean, I mean, that's the single one thing that people can plan about in our roads as well. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so one thing that people complain about is our roads. So maybe I missed it. If we talked about other revenue besides taxes and hard sales. There are other options. Robin Banks please, she said that was totally wrong. That's nice. I don't think we have anything to do. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think we have anything stolen, do we? I don't know, how we have wealth. There are other obstacles. There are other obstacles. I'm not sure what I'm talking about. Is it really good? You don't want to go. The dag, now there is that plan. Right? Yes. I don't remember what I was. There are other options. Laura, you might be talking to us about the middle vehicle text. And with that note, it wouldn't be helpful for me if we could try, even if there's everybody in the middle of the sentence, like to come to a consensus mayor with what the majority would like to do. That makes sense. The budget, or at least kind of arranged. Because I heard somewhere between two and three. Also, her not to exceed 18.6. So if you all want to give me some more to come back with you on her, I'm happy to do that. But if we do that, I think the conversation is going to go to do. We want to cut services as well, right? I certainly. I thought that was part of the conversation, again. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I want to make sure that we kind of wrap up the conversation with something that I can take and come back. You know, the services, the mirror, things that we're not garbage, police, the pinch for the pick of ball. That's red. I told you all of it that he would be a little pin, but it's a pin, still a crack. Those are the kind of things that can wait, you know, $100,000 on the splash pad. You know, back in the way to the year. And it's not an absolute, I mean, you mean, get to where Steve has talked about it. We have to go operating expenses sometime. Here's the conversations that I go through. Is that police, roads, and waste, give or take is 7 million of the 11 and a half million dollars. And so, you add in the requirement pieces of parts and wreck, and nobody likes that. I mean mean that's the reality. Either roads or parks and wreck. People won't come and get it on and kill you. One thing I will say about the parks and wreck stuff and I mean we will obviously do whatever you'll tell us to do but Good bit of the things in their budget Are those one-time things that are a good use of fun balance? It's not really an operating budget, you know the splash pad The gate or the the fence with the magnetic magnetic wall. I mean you know when we do that redesign or if we do that redesign you know it'll be good for for a few years to come and so. That's stuff that you just said though is not in the parts of the wreck budget that's is it? I mean I thought that was CIP budget. It is but but it's still just one budget on this piece of paper though. If I may offer, I've heard some are comfortable with 18.6. I've heard some are comfortable closer to 3. and like some of the between two and three. It's an area. Not between two and three. It's like an hour. It's like an hour. It's like an hour. It's like an hour. It's like an hour. It's like an hour. It's like an hour. It's like an hour. It's like an hour. It's like an hour. It's like an sounds like closer to three. Instead of three cents, would there be a consensus to allow me to create a budget with four cents? Is that a good compromise knowing that there's more discussion to be had? When did we, in 1996, 1996? What, when did we start seeing like line item elements? Is that the next budget? Yes, as soon as we get that, we can, we'll create, we'll fully create the budget and come back to y'all with the line item budget and then then, so mate, hey night. Yeah, and then... How about two, two, or maybe one, one point eight, six, one, one point nine, six? What if we do one or just one point nine? I've got to get y'all one budget. That's my job. When you bring that to us, you know. Yeah, changing. Yeah, they're down. So you bring the 196, then you'd be asking why it would be that then a budget is 67,000 worth of cuts, which is a penny. And that's what you said, right? And I'm happy to hear that 18.6. I'm just looking for a direction. What means more? I'm just getting to what? We're asking us for a number. And we don't even know what we're basically just telling you to meet this number. And yet, we don't know the line items. So sometimes it feels like we're trying to tell you, but once you make this number work, regardless of what's in the actual budget. So, I mean, yeah. And it's best to believe in, I mean, things like this bother me, but not personally, to this bother me theoretically, is that we're showing, and then those sales tax will go down, we'll will go up, but I mean, it's flat. So the next five-year forecast, there's not a opinion of additional cells tax. You talked about why that might change because it's ratios, and then the economic spending, but we're making a really big decision on this, based upon flat cells tax, This but our last decade increased generally maybe on year to year same thing with other things. How will 512? How will zero be relevant to that budget because it nets to zero? So it really has no impact on that budget. The next thing is just a revenue. Yeah, please don't take this as criticism. It's just, it's what I'm trying to anticipate sort of this decision on a sunlight ice where we can't adequately project as impossible for you to give us a number of programs, their self-tax, the rest, and the other type of decision. But if we got that 15 year habit, I mean, could be a better date. We're talking about next year. We already said the ratio was different in economy sort of like you. So I think it happened to be unfair and just. Yeah, we can do that with this spreadsheet, but we're talking about next year's contract. So sales tax went up 4% from 23 to 24. Yeah, utility sales tax to operating revenues 53% investment earning 68% at the restricted or non-recurring revenues saw a decrease of 66% from 23 to 24. Yes, that's a tiny number that I really just say. Yeah, big and don't think that this could suggest it's just horribly. I always suspect that we're... My bias, we're under projecting revenues over reject any spending tricks or less than the nature of what we're supposed to do. Yes, absolutely. So when we're talking about $300,000 difference, and years time, my bet is, well, look, this time next year and say, gosh, we've had a money to do what we should be doing to the town. and we're calling ourselves a lot of names. And if we did at 1.86 and we had opportunity to do something cool, then our revenues might be tracking higher but the ordinance did to sort of capture revenue isn't really nice or we go to fund balance and this is really important. So this is a headache for you it becomes a headache for just get rained like this, but we have to do this. I'm OK if he does a 19.19 face, just to get us to the stage. It sounds like there's some majority that want to do better. All right. So let's just leave that and then we'll Department of Line Item, send. Okay, I mentioned revenue before. Are we going to talk about business the time to talk about it? I mean, I don't know how to... So the front of big, the front of biggest opportunity are things that a lot of people do. So when I say a lot of people, I mean a lot of jurisdictions do. Outstowns is not a better vehicle tax. I believe that the maximum you can do is $30. Right. And it's paid annually and you do your vehicle registration. Right. And that's a... Do you recall what that generates yesterday? Yes. If we were to do... $25, it would be $375,000 worth of revenue. So $1 per cent. Oh, oh, like $1 cent, yes, basically. So can we go cars with that? It's about $15,000. Well, it is $15,000 cars in the map. We have a little over $15,000. Yeah, maybe. That's going to grow. Right. So the question is, there is still a tax, whether it's a tax on them. If somebody are renting the property, can they pay a motor vehicle tax? If they're renting, they're not a vehicle tax. It's just like when you register your car. When you pay your annual vehicle registration. Right, but if they're renting an apartment, the vehicles. Oh, the police. They still need that. Well, we're talking about the motor vehicle tax. Right. All in the house. We never tax? Yeah, on their car. When you pay your car tax, you don't have to. You don't have to. I've been talking about when somebody leases a car rather than buy it now. I don't know, I don't know when they're in the apartment. They can't remove it. Maybe it'll text it. You're talking about when somebody leases a car rather than buy it now. No, I'll tell you when they're in the apartment. They pay the motor vehicle tax too. No. If they have a vehicle, yes. Yeah, they have a vehicle. They expect the apartment complex to face the tax. But the renter does not pay a property tax. The silence is left. It's through the renter course. Because the motor vehicle tax wouldn't be handled by a county, it would be handled by the DMV for you to pay your registration. And it's the Charlotte having that current? Yes. And does it take and come through where their address currently is? Is where you get it? Yeah. Yes. So as long as they're bringing an apartment here and installing, it will come back to something. Right, exactly. I think that's what you're trying to go to, right? And so I mean, for the 25 taxes, Marvin charges 30, and then Roe charges the 430, weighing it thus 25, Waxel does 20 times. So they're already municipalities in the county who do this. So how do we do that? We have all the Makes sense I get to a million to every year I like that idea of making some sense You like it as a school or that initiative? 25 bucks $25,000. $375,000. That's what's $25. Okay. What is 30, right? I didn't do the math. So 30, but I quickly can. That's 25. That's 15,000. Right. Well, that's 25. That's 25. That's 25. That's 25. That's 25. Okay. That's 25. That's 25. Okay. 30 right? I didn't do the math. So 30 but I quickly can. 15.5. Right. Actually 75,000. So that'd be 450,000. Yes. So what department complexes are sold for 80 million? And our value is60 million. This is a way to keep some money from apartment complex dwellers. Yeah, we pay less than market rate. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, The exact is, the firm is a lot of while the R here, 700 apartments. One and a half cars are things with the average use. We have to be like motor cars thinking what the average is. Yeah. Yeah. We like 100 cars, about $20,000. One of the complaints we've had in Ireland in Newtown is the sole of the apartment complex was built and sold for $80 million. You assume the market value of the taxrolls be now $80 million. But it's not. It's 6, 8, 65. Because there's an income approach used rather than market based. So it's a different black box that county used. It's an outlet, some of the speed of that output. It does say that we develop an apartment complex. And then we're expecting in the developers to tell us you'll get X, do we get X minus 30%. I don't know why, but this does feel better than an apartment complex while there's an addition to being you and everybody else going to car would be contributing to the roads in addition to that's what would be a artificially low property tax that they pay through their apartment lease. So that makes sense. Yes. I'm sorry. I think it's worth exploring. All right, it's 6.45. And I got a... Yes. I'm sorry. I think it's worth exploring. All right. It's 6.45. And I'm not going to make some calls. We're going to leave the budget to now. You've been agenda tonight. Can I call in here? I just said I'm going to leave. I think we got the right for me. Thank you. Mr. Jones, we need a motion. Yes, sir. A motion. Thank you. They've got the right to meet. Thank you. Mr. Jones, we need an emotional. Yes sir. Emotional. So, thank you for our brave, thank you for steving the whole paper. Thank you.