Oh I'm going to say hello and welcome everyone. Hello and welcome. Hello, everyone. Hello everyone welcome to tonight's meeting of the South Miami City Commission. Today is Tuesday September 3rd, 2024. At this time if I could ask you all to please silence or turn off your cell phones. Madam Clerk, if you could call the role please. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Present. Last name will be. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Present. Vice-member Nish. Here. Commissioner Leaman. I'll... Commissioner Corry. Present. Commissioner Coye. Here. You have a quorum. Thank you. And with everyone's indulges tonight, I have two special guests that are going to you can come to the podium and lead us in the prayer. Living Heavenly Father, we come to you this hour, asking for your blessing and help. As we are gathered together, we pray for guidance in the matters. I hand in a, and ask you would clearly show show us how to conduct our work with a spirit of joy and enthusiasm. Amen. Amen. Lucy, you're going to lead us into pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for it just stands one nation under God in a visible will, liberty and justice. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, there we go. So madam clerk, we have a couple presentations this evening. Yes, can we take up the one that's not on tonight's agenda Please yes, you could read the item in the record please Mr. Vine the floor is yours Thank you. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. tonight in honor of former Commissioner Lewis Gill. And I'm gonna read the proclamation. It's not too lengthy, but I think it speaks volumes. Mr. Aida, if you can hold for one second, I believe that Commissioner Gill's family is in the audience, if they can come forward please. And join us up here. The solder looks like you're on your own. Good evening, thanks for being here. Whereas Ralph Waldo Emerson, American essayist and poet once said, do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail. And this quote speaks to how Miami-Dade County feels in regard to those citizens who service pioneers and trailblazers for our future generation. And whereas the Honorable Louis Elgill has been an upstanding member of our community who has dedicated his life to public service committed to improving the overall betterment of our community who has dedicated his life to public service committed to improving the overall betterment of our society and whereas knowing for standing for quality. This former commissioner for the City of South Miami first ran for public office in 2017 and served from 2018 until 2022. In addition he served on various boards, including the Environmental Review and Preservation Board and was heavily involved with the design of the Bob Welsh Park and the Fuchs Park design. And whereas the Honourable Guild's career also includes him working for 20 years on IT for the airlines before moving to Baptist Health IT Department and whereas it is fitting and proper that official recognition be given to the honorable guilt for his various impacts on our way of life. Now therefore be it resolved that Danielle Levine-Caba, Mayor of Mime Day County, chairman Oliver Gilbert, the third and the members of the board of county commissioners on behalf of Miami-Dade County in this community do hereby proclaim today Tuesday September 3rd, 2024 as the Honorable Louis L. Gill Day. I'm just going to leave in with you to say something. Sure. I want you to please. You do the honors since you made the request, please. Thank you. And I really want to thank the County Commission and the mayor's office. We had a similar recognition in our previous commission meeting. I had the pleasure of running into our newly or reelected Mayor Daniel being called apart me a week and a half ago and we were kind enough to make this happen especially in such a short period of time so we're greatly appreciative as is the the Gill family. Thank you very much. May I have a minute family? Thank you to my George. You're support being impressive. Thank you very much to the CDS for if you can read the next item, please. Yes. Proclamation, Miami-Diper Bank. Oh, I'm sorry. Proclamation, hunger, action month. Feeding South Florida. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Madam Clerk, if you can read the next item, please. Yes. Proclamation, Miami-Diper Bank. Oh, I'm sorry. Proclamation hunger action month. Beading south border. Great. Thank you. Kibster. Guy, if you can do me honor reading the Proclamation, the record I'd appreciate it. Got my left full. Where is that? Where is that? I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. Okay. Where as since 1981 feeding South Florida has worked to and hunger in South Miami by providing our community with immediate access to nutritious food and whereas hunger does not discriminate. It knows no race, religion or age in South Florida, approximately 1 million individuals face hunger. Food should not be an impossible choice for the community of South Miami. And whereas feeding South Florida leads hunger and poverty advocacy efforts in our community while transforming lives through innovative programming and education that provides economic growth and overall well-being. And whereas City of South Miami is therefore committed to supporting feeding South Florida so that together we can achieve a hunger-free South Florida. Now therefore, I, Javier Fernandez, mayor, along with my colleagues in the City Commission, Vice Mayor Lisa Bonich, Commissioner Josh Leveman, Brian Corey and Steve Kaye, do hereby proclaim September 2024 as hunger action month. In the city of South Miami, Florida, I call upon the good people of the city of South Miami to join me in supporting feeding South Florida during this month of action. Thank you, Commissioner. Is anyone here from feeding South Florida, if you could share for the benefit of public your name, your address, and a little bit about the mission of the organization. Sure. Thank you. Good evening. My name is Carmen Uranaga. I am the director of Health and Wellness at Feeding South Florida. I live in Weston, in Broward County. Thank you. On behalf of Feet and South Florida. As you said, September is hunger action month, a powerful nationwide initiative, uniting us in our mission to end hunger. This September, let's focus on raising awareness of this critical issue, driving meaningful action and inspiring enduring change. Every gesture matters, whether you are volunteering, advocating, hosting a food drive, or simply sharing a meal. Each effort brings us closer to our vision of a hungry free South Florida in which families have transitioned from dependency to self-sufficiency. When we nourish people by providing access to nutritious food, we nourish our entire community. Feeding South Florida serves 25% of our state's food in secure population. That amounts, as you said, to about 1 million of our neighbors, 500,000 of which are children and seniors. Last year, Feeding South Florida distributed approximately 118 million pounds of food to individuals in need. That is equivalent to about 98 million meals. Thank you to the City of South Miami, the commissioners and Mayor Fernandez for raising awareness and demonstrating your commitment to ending hunger. We are honored to have your voices join ours as we continue this vital work together. Thank you. Carmen, thank you to you and Feeding South Florida for all the work you do on behalf of many of our needy constituents here. If folks want to get involved, are there to volunteer or donate, where can they find out? Where can they learn more information about the organization? Feeding Southa.org. There you can find help, get help, sign up to volunteer, find out about all the different programs and initiatives that we have, and just jump in in any way that floats your boat. Thank you. Any questions or comments, colleagues? Just a commission, a guy you recognize. Maybe you can explain to the public maybe how it would work locally. Is that something that goes in through the website? And then it gets back out to our local constituents? Or how does that work? You mean like financial doors, it's a solution. So if I remember correctly, every dollar is equivalent to about four meals. And we have partner agencies throughout our cover four counties. Monroe, Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach. And we have, I think, a bus. Two fifty-three hundred partner agencies spread across all of them, where we send out foods to their pantries, where anybody can go. There's no, the only requirement is you're hungry. We also have programs, I want to say right now it's in Miami-Dade County for homebound seniors will be home deliver meals to them and grocery boxes. There are a variety of different programs. So the donations are not earmarked. Like if you give $1, it's not earmarked and necessarily come right back here, but we serve the entire four county area Thank you mayors this with Dr. Scott or can we You know Dr. Scott here and you should have yeah, I had I had contacted Allison on their staff about possibly setting up An event here later next month, so we'll we'll talk further about that. That's what I wanted to do. Yeah, an event for We can absolutely do that And Allison is the right person to talk further about that. That's what I wanted to do, create an event for. We can absolutely do that. Yes. And Allison is the right person to talk to for that. They can work with you. And then she'll put you in touch with whichever department is whatever it is you want to do, most suited to do that. It could be my department. It could be the distributions. We do a lot of different things. But yes, we can do that and also we invite anybody here, anybody in South Miami to come volunteer. It's a humbling experience and it's very impactful. We'd love to have anybody. Okay, thank you for all you do. Would you join us in front with a picture please? Thank you. I'm going to go to the next room. So before we move on with the presentations, we've got one special presentation. My goddaughter wants to share a joke with us. So before she goes and gets home for her bedtime, you get the apparting joke. Here you go. We'll do it later. Okay. Let's say goodbye to everyone. I want you to. We'll do it later. Okay. Let's say goodbye to everyone. Goodbye. Goodbye, everyone. Good bye, Banger. Yeah. Bye, Lucy. Okay. We have one other presentation for National Diaper Need Awareness Week. So, a reproclamation. Whereas, Diaper Need, in condition of not being able to afford a sufficient supply of clean diapers can keep babies and toddlers Clean and dry and healthy can adversely affect the health and well-being of children and families And whereas daily supply or weekly supply of diapers is generally an eligibility requirement for babies and toddlers to participate in child care programs And whereas many parents struggling with diaper need report missing an average of five days of each month due to insufficient supply of diapers. And whereas the people of South Miami recognize that diaper need is a public health issue, an addressing diaper need can lead to economic opportunities for the state's families and improved health care outcomes for children. Whereas the C-Sopnamese is proud to be home to a trusted community-based organization, including the Miami Dipper Bank that recognizes the importance of diapers and ensuring health and providing economic stability for families and thus distribute diapers to families through various channels. And now, therefore, I, Javier E. Fernandez-Mayor, alongside my colleagues, commissioners, Josh Liebman, Brian Cori, Steve Coyote, and Vice Mayor Lisa Boniach, do hereby proclaim the week of September 23rd to the 29th as National Dipper Need Awareness Week. We are going to be able to make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make I'm going to go to the next meeting. Madam Clerk, are there any further presentations this evening? Yes. Michael Muth and on the expense of my Miami-Dade County mosquito control. Mr. Muth and Ms. Spence, you recognize. Good evening. Good evening. Hello, Mr. Mayor. Madam Vice Mayor. Town Council, Residence of the City of South Miami. It's actually Michael Moot. Like you, not so much. Apologize for putting your name, sir. That's okay, it's happened for 52 years. Yes, thank you. So on behalf of Miami-Dade County and the Mosquito Control Division and my colleague Monique Spence, we're here to talk a little bit about something that no one really likes, mosquitoes. So Miami-Dade County's mosquito control division has been around since about 1935. Although we are headquartered in Dorao, we offer services to the entirety of Miami-Dade County including the City of South Miami. We have a rich history that goes back a few years, well since her and I have been with the county, partnering and working with the City of South Miami including in 2018, rolling out a well-backed on the mosquito control and a natural control experiment that went very well we thought. So we're here to talk a little bit about, and get a little bit more details about what the services we offer and sort of how things work at mosquito control. So I'll talk a little bit about operations and then I'll turn it over to Monique to talk about education and what residents can do to protect themselves from mosquitoes. So I like to think of our mosquito control program as sort of having five main pillars. And what we focus on on a day-to-day basis is first of all surveillance. We like to keep our eye on the populations of the mosquitoes in Miami-Dade County. We like to know what species, what numbers, where they are. If they're carrying diseases. And we do that through a series of about 320 traps that we have set throughout Miami-Dade County. There's a number of them here in the city of South Miami-Proport. The other thing that we do once we have trapped these mosquitoes, we don't trap them for control. We trap them to study them. So once we have them back in our lab, we count them, we sort them, we log them, we have a very extensive because I'm not sure that many people know this, but only female mosquitoes bite. So if you're a male, you're pretty harmless. I guess that's sort of the opposite of how things work, unfortunately, in society. But we do, sorry, we do watch them carefully, we identify them. Then the next thing that we do very often is we do area-wide control measures. That's just kind of a fancy way of saying truck spring. If we see that there's a concentration of mosquitoes, if the Florida Department of Health, which is another really good partner to the division, it tells us that there's a disease case somewhere. We roll out our trucks, we fumigate, we knock the mosquitoes out of the air, and we also treat for mosquito larvae. So, truck spray program, very big premium we placed on that. Another thing we do also is, and this is one of the surfaces is probably that we offer the most, and it's available. Most available to residents is residential inspections. You can call 3-1-1 and you visit our website at minedade.gov-for mosquito inspection. You put in some simple information and we're able to send out one of our 25 inspectors to check your property. If he or she finds mosquitoes are able to eliminate them right on your property. If they find breeding they're able to take care of that too and we're also involved in not just inspecting your property but we do the ones to the adjacent side of the property. We do the one to the rear to make sure that we do a thorough job in controlling them. And so then the fifth pillar is really education and for that I'll turn it over to my colleague Mike. A good evening, everyone. It's a pleasure to be here. Ms. Michael mentioned we have a very robust program. As an aside to that is our education and our reach component. I'm pretty sure everybody has heard about drain and cover. We say that, we communicate that everywhere. It's a part of our communications program and the outreach that we do conduct. We also do like to go out into the community and make sure that we're informing residents and educating residents on what they can do and just simply drain any standing water that might be around your home. And then if you're out particularly during the hours of dawn and dusk to cover yourselves with long sleeves and use EPA certified repellent. So some things that we'd like to do, we've done our mosquito 101 tour, we've actually come to the city of South Miami. We also do a virtual outreach sessions and what you're able to do with that is to bring the residents into an engagement effort where they can understand how they can help us help them. And then also to just making sure that we keep that message going as it relates to drain and cover so that everybody has that understanding. So again, if there's any type of issues that somebody that has mosquito issues, they can call 311 and then they can remember to drain and cover. We're always open to go out into the community and address any issues as it relates to mosquito control just so that we can better inform the residents on how to keep mosquitoes away. So thank you. Any questions from anyone? Thank you both colleagues, questions. I'm an advice me, we're going to give you the floor on this one. Follow up by Commissioner Caye. Thank you very much for coming this evening. I have one question. Do you know what the time frame is from when someone calls that 311 until you come to their house to study and eradicate their mosquito? We have it set for up to five businesses, but usually if you get the request in early enough, we're able to get there the next day. Wow. Usually one day or two max. businesses but usually if you get the request in early enough we're able to get there the next day. Wow. Usually one day or two max. Right now we're in the height of our mosquito seasons that's why we say five business days to give us a little reading room. About a month ago just after the first really big soaking here in South Florida we were working on the weekends. I think we went through three or four weeks straight without a break. It was pretty crazy. But right now the turnaround time is fairly quick so I would say it day or two. Thank you very much. You are. Commissioner Cahay. Thank you for the presentation much appreciated. You spoke about the pilot program in 2018 that you did with the city of South Miami. Can you elaborate a little bit more of what was done organically and maybe if it's improved it it has it scaled, like what is, you know, what you did before, can we do that again? Is that something that we can speak about? Sure, sure. It was a very successful program. It was just for a couple of months. It was a pilot program. The one thing about Wal-Bach is, like, is a very expensive initiative. There were talks to try to bring that back. It's still kind of gone back and forth. We haven't fully gone to the spectrum as to how we're going to roll that out again. But it was successful just for that pilot program. I know that there are other districts that do do different types of genetically modified mosquitoes. Well, Bocchi is not the genetically modified. It's basically the bacterium that's injected into the male mosquito. So again, the male mosquito cannot office is not going to be directed into the male mosquito. So, again, the male mosquito cannot release to be able to go ahead and have the female mosquito do any type of biting or anything like that. But it's something that we're looking at. But again, because of the cost prohibitiveness, it's something that we're not on deck to do just at this time. Colleagues for the questions. Okay. Thank you very much. We appreciate the time and you're coming out here to make a presentation. Please To our city manager is it possible for us to put the information on our website on our social media so that our residents Notacall 311 Definitely yes, but I'm back. We've already been in contact with some of your staff. We've shared some resource material digitally. So it can be shared by email on social or through the website. And we also brought some take out material, some take on material. There's some brochures and rack cards there for the public. And for anyone else who wants to know a little bit more about us. And we also left a little gift, a little fight, the bike pack for everyone. It's got a little mosquito repellent. It's got a hand sanitizer and sunscreen. All in one little pouch. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. We appreciate your time. Thank you. Okay. Madam Clerk, any further presentations this evening? Are there any add on items? No. Can I get a motion to approve the minutes of August 20th, 2024? I'll move them. Is there a second? Second. Emotion by the vice mayor, a second by Commissioner Cory. Madam Clerk, can you call the roll? Yes, Commissioner Lehman. Yes. Vice Mayor Booneesh. Yes. Commissioner Cory. Yes. Commissioner Calle. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. Minutes passed five to zero. Thank you Mayor. Some event updates. Grandparents days. We have September 6 at 10 a.m. at the South Miami Senior Plaza. There's going to be a DJ, raffle prizes, wellness checks by Miami Day Fire, manicure chair massages, food, a bunch of fun things. So come out to that. Our next homie second Saturdays is September 14th. The theme is disco night, wear your bell bottoms. As part of Flusservia's place making an urban design study, there will be a workshop open house on September 12th. That'll give the public the opportunity to see everything Flusservia's been working on, as well as an opportunity to participate in a workshop on how the branding has been a look moving forward. So that's 630 to 8 p.m. September 12th, Waik here in Commission Chambers. The public and RSVP for that on our website or on our social media. There's a QR code. That's the manager's report for tonight. Thank you, Madam Manager. Colleagues, any questions of the manager regarding the items on the report or any other items. Okay, seeing none, thank you very much. Mr. City Attorney, your report, please. Thank you, Mayor. Just one quick update on a lot B. You could ask us, let's say July 2nd, you could ask us to speak to the owners adjacent to a lot B to see if they had any interest in participating in the RFP. We have had some very preliminary discussions. Unfortunately, there are some other things that play right now where we won't have clarity on anything until late September, most likely. So if you are still interested in gauging whether they would want to be part of this, this would probably be an October item back to you. I appreciate the update. Colleagues and particularly Commissioner Lehmanns, as they knew you were championing this item. Do you want to share some thoughts on what your preference would be? My preference is what the commission's preference would be. I'd like to put an RFP though it sounded to me. It should have come, this also should have come at the beginning of, we're really a month late on this item, right? Given the original. Yeah. Okay. And it sounds, the Synth of Private Sector, it's government, sounds great, nature, it's well-intended, but for the city to represent potentially two private owners as well. I think we should, our property, that would benefit the center prop, ultimate is city, but the center prop property the most. And yeah, I think we should go on our own and do it, and we could, it certainly, it could notice that the other two properties are around the market as well, and leave it to private sector to put in the assemblage together. Because I don't know how the city's gonna represent to private land. Okay, so do we wanna give direction to bring this back as a agenda item on the 17th for adoption? I don't believe we adopted or moved the prior item, correct? No, you did not. I think you asked for it to be deferred for this reason. Oh, yeah, table. I just want to make sure I'm thinking what posture we're in. So, okay, so, come with your guide. You're recognized. No, I was just going to state that I've been speaking to both parties already, trying to figure out what we can do. I was actually going to have a meeting with the city attorney that figure out what I don't know what you're talking about why I got delayed, but there was some progress there. I had to go ahead and dissect this particular contract, but I mean if you guys, it's a little of the commission of you guys want to move forward. I feel like we have an opportunity, so if you give us a little bit more time, well at least I've been working on it. Let's, let's, I would just, let's bring it back on the agenda. Conversations can continue. We'll see where we are at at the 17th. And we can take action at that point in time. Okay. Commissioner Lee, is that acceptable to you? Surely, what is the interest of the commission that the city would represent all the city's property, as well as two other private property owners? I think the purpose of the conversation is to see if they want to include themselves in a joint disposition. That was right. I get that. I'd assume they said yes. What is welcoming through the second step. And that we're now representing to private property owners. So yeah, the framework that we have kind of thought about is they would participate subject to a reserve price. And then if that reserve price was not met for that land, they would have the option to withdraw from that process. And they would know that as soon as bids were received, you know, or should. And again, that would not preclude us from having a loan disposition that was our preference, but it would just at least give us the opportunity to see if there was an appetite to do something across the entirety of both the assembly, entirety of all these assemblages. Yes, Madam Vice Mayor, you're recognized. Is that common? I would not say that it's common. No, okay. Okay, is it? Then why are we doing this? I'm asking from a point of not having as much knowledge as maybe as some of you on this. From my perspective, to the mayor? Yes, sir. You recognize. From my perspective, it's a better return on investment. So we have the opportunity to do something that will return a lot more dollars to our city as a ability to get more parking in that area and help facilitate everything in that particular area with sunset plays, with all the restaurants that are coming, all that area. That's my thought process. Okay, so then what is coming back to us and the next thing is what? I believe it would be a draft RFP. It may or may not include those two parcels depending on where conversations evolve on the 17th. It would not. If it's on the 17th, it will certainly not include those. Okay. So let's just bring it back. There's no sense in delaying it. Yeah, we're going to blow it up or down and we'll figure out all the 17. Okay. I just want to be fair to my colleague who's been championing it and it's only has an expiration date on his tenure here. So with that, without objection, we'll be that direction to the manager and staff and Any last word on this particular item Not in the site, but I'd like to continue with the city attorney's report I have a question for the sure you're recognized for a follow-up question on the city attorney's report Great. Thank you So piggyback you with the netmaker just said we have only three meetings remaining until the election So I'd like to get an update on city hall and see if we can't expedite that considering there's only one proposal. Sure. So it is under evaluation by the city manager. City manager has actually met with the consult this last week. I believe there's some additional information just to close out what he needs to make that recommendation. We're certainly shooting to move it as quickly as possible. So maybe part of the question should have been for the city manager, but what is the timeline given we have three more meetings. So the August 6th selection committee met on August 20th, the chair of the committee forwarded the evaluation and report to me. Then a week later, August 27th, myself and the attorneys were part of a meeting with the technical consultants to go over their observations of that particular selection committee. There's going to be one meeting with the proposer that's under a question and answer to clarify some things, not a negotiation, because it hasn't been an award. And that'll be scheduled and certainly we're mindful of the dates. The original date we had pegged was October 3rd, but I'm sorry, one, thank you. But obviously we understand the September 17th of maybe impossibility. So I'm going to have one session with the one proposal through a question and answer to clarify some things. And then try to bring it September 17th, if not the originally scheduled date that we had on the, which gives us a second meeting. Now, October's still to troubleshoot something. Thank you. Further questions of the manager? But again, sorry, the city attorney. Thank you, Mr. Manager, Mr. City Attorney for your reports. We'll now take public remarks. For purposes of housekeeping, I see that there are a number of speakers who want to address the zoning item on tonight's agenda. With your indulgence, I'll ask you not to make comments or public remarks. I'll bring that item up first in the order of the day so that we can get you in and out and allow you speak to the item contemporaneous with the presentations from staff or we leave thereafter. So with that as our process forward and no objection from the board, I want to call Mr. Del Travis Williams, who's registered first for public remarks. Good evening, sir. Good evening, Mayor, commissioners. Niki, it's a return, you see the clerk. I mean City Manager. Two items I want to talk about tonight. The first one. Not too long ago, a few weeks last month, we lost a trailblazing former teacher, former sister principal from some of the junior high school over 20 years. Miss Aynet Johnson-Pickney. From 1970 to 1991, she was a sister principal at some of my junior high. She covers from my grandmother's, I'm sorry, my mother's oldest sister all the way to my mother and then for my oldest cousin all the way to me. So she taught at least three generations of kids and soft man, I know Nikki remembers her. Miss Johnson was a good lady, and that's an understatement. She was an excellent lady. And I've been remiss if I didn't talk about, at least mention her tonight, with Mr. Ward being behind me. Those two really were involved in this community for a very long time. And we buried there a couple weeks ago. The second item I wanna talk about tonight. Street lights. My street, CCC Second Street, has to be the darkest street in South Miami. What I mean by that? From 59th Avenue to CCC Second Avenue. It's completely dark. There's three lights on the whole street. One street at Miss Palmer's house. One street at the end of Marshall Williamson that doesn't work behind lots of trees and bushes. And there's one at the end of the street that does work. We have a sidewalk all along to see second Avenue. I'm about to see second Street. sidewalks are dark at night. Would it be dark at night? I don't walk on them. I walk on the street. And I mention this because it's a hazard for us who like to walk on the sidewalks who can't. so we're forced to walk on the street where you risk getting hit by a car I would notice because it almost happened to me on a few occasions Because I walked to the dollar store lot So Not just my street 60 second avenue Not just my street, 60 Second Avenue. From 64th Street to Miller is Darken Night. There's lights all along on this street. They haven't been working for months. I put it in the out. No action has been done. 64th Street. From 59th Place to Red Road, completely dark at night. And I know it's because I go that way to walk to the metro rail every morning, five days a week. Mr. Rillings, I can give you more time. I just wanted to ask a question of manager if he can clarify for me. I would imagine 60 Second Street, the lights on that street are, it's a city street, it's our responsibility so We'll make sure to follow up on those on 60 Second Avenue or are Are those street lights Under our carry management or they part of the county's infrastructure have to be reminded I'm gonna lean on John to remind me if it's jobs. I just want to make sure so when we're Miami-Dade County, okay, so Okay, so we can we can we John we follow up on 62 Street and 64. Perfect. Okay, 64 Street is just is our street as well. Yes, absolutely. So I just wanted to note that so we can get our staff. We're working for months. So 64 Street from what where to where? the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of any others? Okay. We can get those fixed. It will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Thank you. And they'll Travis you've got myself so text me if you don't see any progress as well. Okay. Appreciate you. We'll do. Okay. Next on the list Mr. Dick Ward please. Good evening sir. You're recognized. I thought there were more people on the list than that. Commissioner Liebman, you served on this commission a long time with a lot of mayors, but tonight you finally got a good one. And the mayor ran him off. Ran her off. What kind of person a bit You can expect anything from this mayor He's telling you know well the last gentleman talked about Peter Johnson and She was She and I worked together for 21 years and South Miami was very lucky to have her in that long because the two of us were very involved in the community and we didn't get interfered with by those high ranking people downtown. town. Tonight I'd like to give a short report card. You as a commission have accomplished a few things of which I don't agree with, but you need to have recognition for it. For instance, the most recent one is you're asking for a $65 million bond issue that's going to be difficult to fund from the residents, probably. You increased the height of buildings in South Miami, maximum to 30 stories. You increased according to state law, the campaign contribution to a candidate from $250 to $1,000. And if you look at the reports of what's going on right now, as I told you before, we're going to end up the city is going to be elected the commission by the dollar. I mean, that's what's going on, whether you've realized or not, the idea that we would have $50, $60, $100,000 raised to sit up there. As a leaveman, how much he spent the most while he was there, wasn't very much. Gally, who was our new commissioner, he didn't, he spent just about a little over average in his campaign. And I hear you were the only one didn't get an appointment, an opponent rather. I thought Cory was free too, but I was just told that he got an opponent also. And as a result of that, the next month or so is going to be interesting around here. And Mr. Cory, I haven't seen any signs like I see him where I'm right or even so you better get on the ball. Thank you Mr. Ward. It's going to be an interesting campaign. And the best thing of all is that the elections are now held in November with our federal elections. Before we'd get 18 to 20 percent, in the last election we got over 54 percent. And I wouldn't be surprised with the Trump Harris campaign the way it's going. We might get 60 percent out for this election. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Next on the list is Mr. Lee Jacobs. Mr. Jacobs, good evening. Good evening, good evening, y'all. Commissioners, I grew up in Detroit and industrial city and a huge Ford plant was there and it paid all the taxes. Taxes are very low. We live in a city where there's no industry virtually. The only industry is development. So we have Sous-M Miami, sunset place, that's our Ford Rouge plant to say that. And there's others that are 10 story, 12 story going up. And what I'm questioning is why are we having to raise taxes with those huge buildings, the number of people increasing? And the question is, how could we not have enough money to do what we want? We're in essence, what it looks like to me is we're paying now for their development. So we're subsidizing them. That's what it looks like to me. And the way that I could understand it better is if I saw how much the developers were paying in taxes for each floor that they got. I know that when I was on the planning board, we gave the Windixi property permission to build another story if they would put in a bicycle washing station and bike racks. I thought that was ridiculous. They're making so much money for a whole floor. What are we getting out of it? So that's the secret that I want you to reveal how much money are we going to get in taxes from all those extra floors? It's increased our density so The streets are crowded the air up above those buildings is crowded and they all have to empty out onto our streets I've been asked why do you care that it's going up 30 stories? Because I live at the far end of the city, but that's not that far. It's the streets. It's the money. It's the confusion that we've created. And we're building it, and then we're building the infrastructure. We're paying for the infrastructure and they're running away with the money and running away with the profits that we don't get to hear about. The shops at Sunset place made a deal when they left. They went from three or four stories to 20 stories, 18 stories, 16 stories. And then they made a deal thanks to Mr. Bass, who was here. He got the council to agree to, I think Mr. Lee Bloom was on that, you know, on that. He got them to agree to eliminating their citizens' review boards. They wanted to be efficient and agile in this modern changing society so they could put up things and do things without going through citizen review. And that's what you did in November when you gave them 30 stories, 25 stories, 18, 16. You increased it from 600 units per acre to 1486 units per acre. That's actually, I just want to be clear that's not nearly accurate. So no, it's a 150 units in acre. They have 10 acres, which is why they're proposing, as they can propose as much as fifteen hundred units. So again, I take no issue with something I'm just saying, but I just want to put that factoid into the record. Okay, that's a good fact, you know. The truth is, though, it's thirty stories, twenty five stories, and eighteen and sixteen, is that right? Something like that? That's if they pay for all the bonuses that they're required in order to achieve those sites. I don't want to know the bonuses. How much are we getting and does it go to our taxes or how does it work for citizens? So what I would do just in the interest of time is I would ask our city attorney or maybe our markets on our planning staff if they can share with you the details of that particular ordinance. So you can have the, you can have those details and if you want to, we can at some point, they have submitted plans at this point so they probably could be a calculation. That's provided to you to understand exactly what the revidences they would be required to make if they built what they're proposing. Yes, I think that excluding me personally to know, it's important, but I think that the whole city needs to know, not just me. Well, I believe they're scheduled for a public hearing next Tuesday for the planning board. And if you have questions about those details, I'm not privy to them yet, but you certainly have the opportunity to ask at that forum as well. And eventually here in front of this commission, when it comes back to us, sir. Yes. at that forum as well and eventually here for this commission when it comes back to us sir. Yes, we're being asked to okay these changes in how you take the money and manipulate it, make it easier. We voted for that so you got that done. And then the next stage is to get money to manipulate so you're going to raise taxes and I think that's important for people to know how this whole city is running and it's important. Thank you very much Thank you for your comments, sir. Next on the list, Mr. Walter Harris Keep in commission kids I just want to first of all thank you city hall and the sale of the library. But now I find out there may not even be a sale. So everything I had planned to say, I won't say because it sound really stupid. And with that, I will leave. I do love the shirts, sir. Thank you. I got the shirt because I'm a Harris. No, it's fantastic. And you're up to date. How good evening. Mayor Foulou, you're recognized. Good evening. Good evening, Mr. Mayor. Vice Mayor, distinguished staff. I'm here to speak in opposition of the $65 million loan. But first I want to thank Commissioner Liebman for recognizing a true public servant in Commissioner Gill. He truly embodied that sentiment of public service Which we see less and less Every time we turn around and Mr. Mayor. Thank you for bringing prayer back. I mean, I like to think that and God knows we need more prayers so In light of the by the way, I'm a 34-year resident of South Miami. I served on the commission for 12 years. I like three times as mayor. And I bring this up because I have some experience in finding money. Okay, you're putting out, I think every resident South Miami has no doubt received a flyer by your PAC, your political action committee, which shows you the vice mayor's likeness and Mr. Cory and Commissioner Guy in Commissioner Cory yes I don't see where the taxes who pays for the bond it's alone I don't see that part that part is missing in that slick flyer and advertisement that we see perhaps the distinguished Mr. Manager. Mr. Mayor, just to bow it for me, it'll be on the next set of flyers when we have the election in November on that question. There is a tax increment there now. Along those lines, what I was saying is that when I was on the commission, each commissioner was assigned to lobby a certain county commissioner, state representative, or a congressperson. I remembered lobbying commissioner, I mean congresswoman Ross lectinon, the mayor of the county at the time and it didn't matter what party affiliation it was. I went to see Mr. Marco Rubio, who's now a senator Rubio, but back then he was the speaker of the house. And certainly our distinguished former mayor, representative Julio Robino, we built the improvements here in front of City Hall. It didn't cost taxpayers a dime because we brought home the money from the state and the county and also the federal government. The community center, Gibson Bethel, that didn't cost the taxpayers a penny. Why? Because again, we effectively lobbied. We had a good lobbying team. We had a great grants rider and we bought parks that way. So I'm wondering why do we need $65 million if it's something that you guys can do? Lobby. Bring home the money. Now, Mr. Mayor, with all due respect, if you sue the governor like you did, having to do with, I guess, being a lobbyist, we're not gonna be getting much money from him because he's gonna veto that line item. Well, it's curious in the year that I sued him he gave us $1.8 million. So that lot, I think that's it. In the year that I sued the state, not him. He did approve of $1.8 million in the state budget for the city of South Miami, which I think was the first grant we'd gotten We've gotten successfully through in a number of years. So I don't follow, I don't agree with your logic, but... All right, well then the point granted, I mean point, good point. Now, where's the money? I mean, that's how you save the money and then you put it to a good cause. And it seems like the infrastructure that we're looking for, whether it's parks or a tiny bridge, you can get that money elsewhere. You don't have to pick the pockets of us, the taxpayers. All right, so please be open minded, start thinking about bringing in the bacon. Little money from the state we paid for it. Okay, thank you. Thank you for your comments, sir. And just again, certain facts being important in public discussion. I think this commission is successfully procured in two years, $6.8 million from both the state and federal government. So I wanted to share that with you, Mr. Mayor, and unfortunately, three and a quarter million dollars were vetoed last year's budget, the majority being water projects because the state wants to move in different directions in terms of how they allocate that money. But we're certainly doing our dam just to get that money in the budget and bring it home. So hopefully you can take some solace in that. And again, the public will get to say their piece about whether or not they want to approve our belated borrow here in November. So thank you for your comments, sir. Please vote no. Okay, thank you. Okay, I believe I have one other registered person with respect to public comments. Alberta Garcia, please come forward. Good evening, sir. Hi, good evening. Well, first of all, I'm sorry for my English and from Spain. Sorry, it's my first time in public hearing. Good night, everyone. So I'm the current owner of the restaurant opening in Bevro, Denver, Road, and it is located at Alend Raxor and the Lices de Spania. We are really happy with the city, especially with all neighborhood. So I only have gratitude to all of us, also, for all of you. The only thing that I'm seeing right now is basically coming from Madrid, Spain, that is a city that is destroyed by parking tickets. It's that I have served that we have an issue with the tickets in the parking. So I have an employee that sees this table and also get tickets when she parks into this table, parking spot that is on the 41st street. So it's just an advice just because I've sold it to the table parking spot that is on the 41st street. So it's just an advice just because I saw that in Spain that the people hate that continuously goes under day for the tickets. On the parking, I understand that they need to pay for pay-by-phone. It's totally normal in Spain, you should do it. But for us, or for me, especially, it's a little bit annoying that sometimes, especially on the Beforeland 1 p.m. Before dinner or Saturday at noon or Sunday at noon or is brand that is what we are more cruel The ticket from the city is there with the tickets than every every Saturday every Sunday and for me It's funny because I don't I never see the the 9 a.m. on Monday or 10 a.m. on Tuesday. Like today, I only see them in the special moments that, for me, it's funny. It's branch, lunch, Saturday, and Sunday. So I understand that you need to have it. It's something normal. But this is just my advice that I saw in all my life in Madrid that if you continue panicking the people, the people is going to hate that. And you know that in my area, it's a little bit complicated to park. I think we have plenty of space around the 41st Street. But I see that many years, so if you panicking the people, maybe the people go away from the city, go on other places to eat. That's a thing that just one advice So maybe the people go away from the city, go on other places to eat. That's something that deserves one advice from something that I live in my life. That's all. Thank you so much for your time. Have a great night. Mr. Garcia, thank you for your comments and for your investment in our community. Madam Clerk, is there anyone else registered for Public Remorks? No. Anyone else? Someone would like to speak please raise your pressure hand. Oh. You did, yes sir. I believe you're here. I have you. You noted you're on the zoning item so I'm going to take that item up next so you can address it contemporaneously with the presentation. Okay. Anyone else who's not addressing the zoning item here this evening? Okay. With that we will close public remarks. Colleagues, with your indulgence, I'd like to take up item 12, 13 and 11. So Mr. City Attorney, are there any quasi judicial warnings that have to be read for any of those items for number 11? For number 11, yes, Madam Vice Mayor, have a question. Oh, sorry. I have commissioner comments today, Madam Vice, may I have a question? Sorry. I have Commissioner comments today, so can we make sure that we bring them up later so that I don't forget? Yes, ma'am. I'll fly that we all want to say some remarks to the record. Thank you. That's a problem. Do you want to just dispense with the requisite warnings on item 11? I think about 12, 13 and 11. Sure. Mayor for application number 11 on this evening's City Commission agenda is a quasi-judicial item. The clerk always, the clerk will read the title of the resolution before the public hearing. The public hearing will include presentations by staff and the applicant as well as public and any public comment. Excuse me. The commission may ask any questions either before or after public comment is closed. Following public comment, the commission may deliberate on the resolution. The quasi-digital procedures for item 11 require this commission to consider the evidence presented to it and base your decision on the applicant will law on primarily on the evidence presented whether by the applicant staff or members of the public. The staff report and the resolution provide the applicant will law on criteria for approval. And in the case of item 11, it's section 20-4.2 of the land development code, which is the subdivision criteria. The evidence considered must be substantial competent evidence. That means testimony or evidence based on personal observation or relevant expert testimony that a reasonable mind would accept as adequate to support a conclusion. It is not a popularity contested canopy based solely on non-expert opinions no matter how fervent those opinions might be. Anyone who seeks to speak on any item for public hearing should be given an opportunity to speak during the public comment portion for each. If you intend to provide testimony on item 11 as to any of the application as to this application, you'll be sworn in before your testimony is taken. Please know if you do speak, you may be subject to cross examination. If you're refusing there to be cross examiner to be sworn, your testimony will be considered in that context and given it to wait. General public will not be permitted to cross examine witnesses, but the public may request the commission direct questions on their behalf to either staff or the applicant. Would you like to square in the people who will be testifying on item 11 at this time? Let's go ahead, yes, please. Okay, if anyone is speaking on item 11, please stand up and raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Thank you. And Madam Clerk, can you confirm on item 11 that the advertising was provided? Yes. Thank you. And would you like to make the exparte community, if disclosures at this time or? Just go ahead and dispense with it if we can. I have nothing to report. Does any member of the commission have any any exportate communications with the applicant or any member of the public on that item? I do not. No. No. Record reflects that everyone said no. Thank you Mayor. Thank you Mr. Attorney. If we can have a presentation from staff on item 12 and if you can read that item into the record, Madam Clerk, to start. Yes. Item 12. In order to the Man and City Commission of the City of South Miami Florida, I'm ending Article 8 transit support of the development district to modify ethical development regulations, providing for corrections that really confidence, implementation and effective date. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Yeah, it should be the TSDD. Mr. Alvarez, good evening, you're recognized. Good evening, Mayor and Council. Tonight we have the first reading of the Transit Supportive Development District. This is the text amendments for the entire zoning district. Before we go forward, I like to go through our schedule. We've been on a long schedule of many pieces that fit together for the schedule of the entire zoning effort. We are now in September. We have accomplished we have gotten the TH18 or the townhouse ordinance pushed through on the text amendments. We are in the process of the land use plan amendment as we stand here tonight we are we have gone to the planning board with the TSDD this is a very substantial text amendment. After tonight it's not technically part of our zoning process but it's such a big project I mentioned at the sunset place large scale development we'll go to the planning board later this month actually next week. In October we will continue on Sunset Place and we will start the last of our new zoning districts which is called Neighborhood Mixed Use which is a transitional small scale mixed use. Again, only text amendments. In November, once we've got all of our text amendments through their process of planning board and two readings and also we will at that time, and we anticipate having the text amendments for the comprehensive plan done, we will start the really fun part where we'll do the map amendments. We're going to do those as the comprehensive plan and the zoning together. Basically you'd hear the comprehensive plan map amendments right before the zoning map amendments. That's a process with again, it's comprehensive plans so we have to have a planning board sitting as local planning agency that will happen in October, November. And then we'll move forward, we have to transmit to the state. So we have a time that it'll take that That's actually a bigger amendment process, not in paper, but it will typically take longer because concurrency becomes much more important with the mathematics. That will all come back December, more likely January. We'll do the second reading of the mathematics. Again, this is a really heavy lift when we do the math amendments, a lot more advertising, a lot more details. So by January or February, we're more or less complete with the zoning amendments. Underlying all of that, we have the, what we call the year-based amendments going on. Or just starting, it's the evaluation and appraisal report. So the city and this year It's actually fortuitous, but again it adds to the workload in a lot of ways We have what's due is called the EAR based amendments. It's the entire comprehensive plan This actually does tie in because there are a number of things that we see doing this process that we should amend through those amendments that would be in other elements of the comprehensive plan. So by March, approximately March 8th, we're kind of done. It's a lot of pieces and every time I come before the board, I try to update that chart and make sure we know where we're at. It does move at times. So for the TSDD, the transit support of development district, which before March of this year was known as the transit oriented development district, just to give the proper reference. But it is changed now to TSDD. We have the same guiding principles that we've had for the entire zoning process. We are trying to increase the flexibility of the zoning code for the market response. We don't want, we're here to build the downtown and we develop it. We also want to direct density towards infrastructure. This is of great importance not only to the city but to the county, to the state, to everybody we want to move the density, move the intensity of use and move the number of residents that live within the proximity of the metro rail station of US one and sunset. That that four corners is sort of the heart of it all and then we want to spread out from that. So everything here is done to bring everything together to that central spot. We want to respond to the housing needs. We have a great need for not only market rate housing but also affordable and workplace workforce housing. Of course, we do not want to damage in any way what makes South Miami a great city so we want to establish that all of this happens. We are increasing a lot of intensity and density. We want to make sure transitions properly to the neighborhoods. The neighborhoods are what make the city great. They will continue to make the city great. And finally, simplicity and predictability. Very hard things to do in a zoning code. But we do try to make simplicity in terms of having a lot of tables where words would be normally. We also simplicity also means that we make a simplification of what the rights are for every property. So we're trying to take as much away from administrative decisions and have it on paper. Sometimes it looks like it's not simpler because it takes more paper to do that, but we want to make everything to be pretty much this is what you can get. You have a wide range of uses, a wide range of things you want to do on that property and you don't have to wonder. And that puts the city in a much more competitive position so that somebody doesn't look at our zone and go and say I can't figure out what it is. I don't know what my rights are. Let's look at coral gables. So simplicity, predictability, or two key aspects. One of the things that we did in TSDD was we added residential density limits. So for seven years that what was known as the TOD district had no maximum density. It had a minimum density, residential density of 50 units per acre, but it had no maximum. And the idea was that it was all based on form. So we had a certain height, we had a certain way of building, confident to its envelope, and we would depend on those to create a density envelope. What we had with some of the prior approvals, the Somie part was something like 149 units across the street, 60, 75, came in at 196 units per acre. So we knew we were kind of hitting 150 to 200 units naked and we felt that we should reflect that as still having a maximum because there are a lot of things that are very important now. We have not only the need to just kind of establish this for our concurrency purposes and knowing where we're going. We have plenty of density but we also have a lot of preemptive issues with local. And even though we can steer clear of them in a lot of ways, we never was going to come forward next time around. So it just seemed to be a safe thing to establish a density limit overall. And the density limit is based. It's been based on pretty much which already come in, so we feel pretty safe that we're not on the face of it taking any rights away from anybody. So we do have a density limit and it's in section. I'm just gonna go, I don't have the sections on this slide. So since section 28-8.4, the paragraph B has been added there. We had to create, as is now, you have a TSDD ordinance. You have a map and you have different districts, the MU4, which isn't used, the MU5, the MU6. There's parks, there's public and institutional. And the public and institutional has almost no regulations. MU5 and MU6 are pretty much the effective sub-districts. We had to keep the sub-districts because there are a lot of rights that are tied to those. And what you see here is a map of the sort of, and I know the colors can be difficult at times, but we have to use the sort of pink set of tones for mixed use. The dark pink is what is now called the TODA, the transit oriented district area, which comes out of live local language. Using it, that's basically the area that we, the most intense, have the most variety and most intensity of uses is closest to the metro rail station. The height is no longer tied to this with bonuses, but the height without bonuses will be eight stories. As you go to the lighter pink area and again, we're moving away from the station area, but we're still within the downtown. We're still in the walkable area. We have the area that's called the TSDA subdistrict, which is a little lower. It's the eight stories. It will be something like the MU5, I'm sorry, like the MU6 that you have now. Again, bonuses, bonus heights are controlled elsewhere. Again, it's almost as intense, almost as dense, but it's missing a few of the uses. So it doesn't have the light, we don't have light industrial uses, it doesn't have the artisanal uses district, it doesn't have these sort of antique automobile uses district. So it uses, I'm sorry. And then as we go out further, that sort of salmon color is a new district and it's actually not effective until we remap the whole zoning map. But that is all the outlying areas that interact with the downtown, but they should be buffer areas that transition from the more intensive uses to the neighborhoods. So those salmon colors are what's called the TSA or the transit support of neighborhood area. It's a limited height, no bonuses, only residential. So those are the area moving around. Again, this is the transition as we move out. Not just in height, but in the intensity of the use and all the other things that would go with that. And again, respecting that at the edge, we're always going to have a residential. The permitted use categories is something that was a major impetus of doing this. So we have right now 140 or so permitted uses. They're all on the list and a lot of them like video stores and you know, carvergar repair shops, things like that are outdated uses. Nobody uses them anymore. There are always uses that the planning director will find that people come in and they want an opinion on use, that it just takes time. Again, it's one of those things that you don't know if you can have that use, so you have to go ask. We wanted to make it so that if you have a use and if something in the normal range of things but it might be new it might be something that's retail it might be across between retail and food and maybe a retail that serves some food or has a bar or tasting wine tasting room all these things usually aren't in the zoning code and aren't in this one so we want to allow those uses without anyone having to come to ask it not only makes it easier for, but makes it easier once development is here. So if you're the property owner, if you own the property and you have a cell that goes empty, you don't have to ask before you allow a new 10 and 10. You just know here's a list. It's in this category, I can do this. And so that's what we did. We took everything and put it into categories. There's a table of the categories and it's in section 28, 20-8.5. Now I know the table has a lot of words in it because once we reduced everything to categories, we have to have a lot of words to explain all the unintended consequences and what we don't want. So to put it, to sum it up kind of in a nutshell, is we are very careful about allowing uses near any kind of neighborhood, facing a neighborhood. So there's a lot of things that become a special use when they're facing a neighborhood. Not that they should, because we've sewn it in a way that that won't happen, but there's a few places. Basically, any time you have something, I hate to put it so simply, but as long as none of your use leaks out of the building, we're happy. Right? So, if you have something that's, you know, you can, there are artisanal uses now, if you are making ceramics, you know, pottery. If there's nothing that goes outside that building, you can do what you want inside, and you can sell them, you can retail them, you can be an artist, if you're an artist, and you paint, and you have turpentine, that's fine. We like that, but we don't want it to come outside of the building. So a lot of the table that's in the code explains all the things that you can't do in each category that you mustn't leave the garbage outside, you must keep the door closed and so forth, things like that. So in all the table looks long, but it's actually much simpler. So you just look to see if you fit into a category, what sub-district you're in, and that's the way it works. So what we did here is in the TSNA, which is the neighborhood area, the area at the edges. It's residential, and the only thing that's allowed is residential and live work. Then as you move into the, what was before, like the sort of light pink area, the TSDA, or the transit support of development area, which is more or less the entire downtown, except the core near the station. Almost everything is permitted except for warehouse and storage. And then again, and I'm sorry, and also limited automotive businesses. That's a special category I'll get to on the next slide. And then the transit oriented development area, which is the core right near the metro rail station includes progress and commerce avenues, everything along the tracks. It includes, in fact, City Hall, and the, for life of knowing the street address right off the top of my head, where the tire store is across from sunset place and the next block below it, are all in the TODA, and they have the most liberal range of uses applicable. Along with the new use with the use categories, we had three categories that are a little bit something different. And again, this is for, you know, we want to create an economic resiliency. We know retail and office are not in, they're not falling apart. There's no bubble breaking, but we know prices are getting both soft. We're not really sure a lot of retail turns over very fast So we want to build in some uses that can be used as that are good alternatives that are still business and more to the point There are businesses that might be ownership owner owned by Probioters that are in the area or even better yet South Miami So one of the first ones, and this is more or less in the zoning code. We called RTs and the locky patients. We allow artist studios because we like art, but artist studios are basically industrial uses. And what really makes them different is that they're small. The scale is small. It's one-off items or maybe a limited production kind of item, but we don't have factories. That's really where we want to go here. So if you're an owner and you want to build something, you don't have a lot of people in your shop or you want to make art or you're a jeweler and you're smelting gold and silver. Whatever it is, you can do this in this area. Small shops, 4,000 square feet maximum, again, nothing leaks out. And one of the big items here is that we want to retail front digit to go with it. We just don't want these kind of light industrial uses we want to be selling your goods to the public. We have a lot of automotive businesses that are currently alone progress and commerce have. And I think mostly on progress. Well, commerce actually. Most of those will become legally non-compliant, but we do recognize that there is a type of automotive business that a lot of cities have, and they integrate very well into a more downtown area. And it's these sort of boutique automotive uses. They are not the main thing here is that there's no outside inventory. It's not the Ford dealership or whatever with lots of cars out in the front. It's a store and it may be very high-end automobiles, it may be builds, it may be, a good example of motorcycles have had this kind of concept down for a long time. They have a very boutique interior and they sell their motorcycles but they're all inside the store. Nothing's outside. So again it's like a store front but we're allowing this sort of automotive use. Very limited type of automotive use. And then lastly we do have warehousing and storage which we were going to initially just not allow it all, but then we realize that there may be a number of businesses that do need to have some kind of warehousing storage within their building. We would allow it as long as it's an ancillary use. So those are the three additional uses. Sir, Albert, just if I may interrupt, I apologize. On the last slide, we can go back for a second. I'm just curious. In this suite of uses, something like a collector's suite be permitted. Could include someone who collects wine or art or automobiles. So those would fall within these permitted use categories. We're discussing here. Correct. OK. If you're back in the day, the Soycoville. If you were familiar with Miami around 54th-50th history, works like a restaurant. Sure, he bought these buildings initially so he could store his cars and sort of show them exactly. OK. And they created like these boutiques out of them. It's just a very nice thing. Just glass, just windows, nothing. No garages. One of the benefits of simplifying the parking and having the parking in categories is that, I'm sorry, one of the benefits of simplifying the uses and having the uses in categories is that we also get to simplify the parking. So a number of things happen when we have the parking regulations that we have right now, like most cities. You could have a shopping center or a building, a mix used building with, let's say, 10 retail cells on the bottom. You have a use that doesn't require a lot of parking and then a new tenant, that one goes away and a new tenant comes in and you just have to say to the tenant, no, because on paper you don't have a parking in your building. I've been planning direct our scene, this happened a number of times and go out there and there's a lot of parking. But on paper they can't go in. We want to get rid of that problem. So you can always, we've learned in the past that the owners of shopping centers, of buildings, to a very good job of this, their tenants will complain if people can't part. So they get their mix correction and they take care of their parking. So we want, we want, we have the parking also by these broad categories. So there's a retail category and we have a parking for that. What you're selling doesn't matter as far as the parking goes. The same with entertainment uses, the same with restaurant type or eatery type uses. It's just their broad uses and that's what the parking is. Also, right now we have the ability to allow an applicant to provide a shared-use study. And a shared-use study, it doesn't do us a lot of good in a number of ways. One is that the applicant would only look at their own building and statistically it's kind of hard to prove that if you have a store downstairs for, let's say a vinyl record store, 20% might be too aggressive to use for the residents above. And we know that doesn't really happen. What's going to happen is people live here and they walk to other buildings. They want to other places. So we want to look at the downtown as a whole. So we don't really want shared-use studies on a project by Poinetic Basis. So the best way to do this was incorporate the shared-use concept already in the parking rates, which it is. And we also incorporated the transit reduction already in the parking rates. So these rates are based on the ITE national averages for urban areas and then we take 20% for transit and 20% for shared use. No more shared use studies. Everybody's got the shared use already. It's much simpler and again, it's a simplification that you know what you get as a right. You can come into the South Miami, you know you need this many parking spaces. You can build this much commercial area. Mr. Avas, before you move on, I think the vice-meritor question regarding the last slide. I only have one issue with all of these parking spaces that I'm seeing here. Actually it's two. On T.S. If you look at townhouse and you look at hotel, when you go all the way to the bright pink on townhouse, you go from two spaces per unit, two spaces per unit to no spaces per unit. That use type is not allowed. That's why it's not applicable. So that's why you're not seeing a requirement there. In the hotel, why do we go from one space per room to one space per two rooms? Is this in the... So yeah, so when you see, Mr. Albus correct me if I'm wrong, where you're seeing not applicable in this chart, it means that that use is not allowed in that category. Okay and here where I see it go from one space per room to one space per two room. That's sharing you the existing standard versus the proposed standard for that for that district. Why did we change it from one space per room to one space per two rooms? Again it's just based on national standards. We also know that we are transitioning our hotel spaces to having more dependency on using Montreal Public Transit. If people get here from the airport, they don't know what's happening on the car. So, we're still Uber. Can we fix that to be one space so that it matches? The reason I say this, when I travel almost anywhere I go, I have a car. So I pretend it's me. I pretend I'm going go, I have a car. So I pretend it's me. I pretend I'm going everywhere and I'm coming here. You guys can disagree with me if you want. Literally, I can't think of one place that I've gone, that I don't rent a car. I'm probably Hertz's favorite person. So while I understand that people don't use cars, Miami is famous for bad transportation. So I think we're taking something for granted here. Everything else kind of makes sense to me. That one doesn't make sense to me. So I may be different. I'd love to hear what you guys have to say about it. I mean, I think the standard works as proposed. I think the prior standard was way over parked. I mean if you're going to draw on equivalency in unit type, it would be 0.75 spaces per unit like you're seeing with a studio. But again, that studio tendency is non-transient. So those people are probably more likely than a visitor to have a car. So I think it's fine at one space for two rooms. It's standard used in other jurisdictions pretty widely. So, but it's again, it's the matter of the board's preference. Let's table that conversation to the end of the presentation, but you can just note it as an item we want to discuss. Okay. Let me end I want to say three things that I missed saying before. One on parking, what we have right now is we park. For the TSDD, we park commercial the way we park suburban. It's the same standard as everything else. And we have a discount on the residential. Actually, it should be sort of the other way around, because people still own a car. So in this case, we've now discounted the commercial side of it. One of the things that's really important, and it's sort of on this slide, I think, benefits are reducing over-parking. You never get parking right. There's no such thing as the right number. Generally, for 50 years, we've tended to over-park. But over-parking waste space, it kills space that you would have for habitable uses. It doesn't allow for a walkable downtown. Some of the cities that we all love, they're under park. So we are tending to, if we have to make a mistake, we would rather under park than over park. And the concept is that if we under park we can fix that. The city can you will have more permit requests the city can build parking. Somebody else can build parking with their development and the last part comes into there's a bonus we'll get to that later. One of the bonuses is for building more parking than you need. So if you over park you're stuck with it. You just have parking lots. And it's very hard for anyone to develop them because they're part of somebody else's rights. So we've tended to shift our philosophy to a little bit, will under park, if we get it wrong, rather than over park. Also with the concept that parking's already expensive, as you know, is $ 40 thousand dollars of space and Also as we move forward over the years and through the times This will not all develop overnight as we develop the population changes We have more people who are coming from other places. There's used to taking some alternative whether it's a bicycle I'll e by whatever it is they do, they're used to doing other things. And we hope and think that that will happen not tomorrow, but over the decade or two as the city redevelopes. So that's the concept, that's the drive. I have an inconsistency in the language that I want to point out to Mr. Alvers, but let's, let's have questions about the information on this line. Let's leave the debate and discussion till later. So let's move forward Mr. Alvers. Thank you. Parking some of the other things that we try to increase the efficiency of the parking. One of the things here is that we do now, but we reinforce the idea that we allow tandem parking spaces. Certainly if it's a LA operation, you can have tandem or stacked. If it's a residential and we have allowed that before by as part of special permits, as part of the large scale uses, we allow, we will continue to allow tandem parking for a single residential unit. In other words, one unit, the cars can be in front and in back of each other, but not among different units. Simple idea that we assume that if people can get along well enough to live together, they should be able to work out the car thing, who goes out first, who comes back later. And that adds a lot of efficiency to those parking decks. And again, we want to kind of reduce the size of the parking in the downtown, physically. The other thing that we want to recognize is that we do see, if you go around Miami a lot, you know this. A lot of scooters are becoming very popular. Most places don't allow a place for them to park. And actually, scooters and motorcyclists want their own spaces so they don't get hit by a car and knock down. They also fit a lot better. They save a lot of space in a garage. So we're allowing a development to have more efficiency in that garage where there's structure where maybe a full car space won't fit. There could be a motorcycle space or two or scooter spaces. It's just a way to try to increase efficiency. There was no provision for that before. It would have been something that would come in with a cyclan but we're now showing it as a provision. And finally, we did also maintain the bicycle parking requirements. There's requirements now. They're more specific to indoor and outdoor. What's inside the building, what's outside. And they were adjusted a little bit. They're more specific to indoor and outdoor, what's inside the building, what's outside. And they were adjusted a little bit. They were sort of out of calibration before. And we tried to get them a little more even with what's typically done in other cities. Development bonuses. So we have, in the sub districts, we have a base height that each building can go to in the terms of number of floors. And again, we've tried to respect the rights. We have respect for the rights for every property in doing that. So everything in the T.O.D.A. or the core is eight stories base. Everything in the areas is surrounded like pink area, the T.S.DSDA, transit support of district area, these eight stories, and then the outlying area, the neighborhood area is six stories. Boneses would get each building up to a higher level, and we again we've talked about the four are focusing on parity of you know what you give and what you get. There's some bonuses that weren't passed that were fairly simple. We've tried to make sure that we get a little more public benefit for what we give. So the bonuses are, there are seven basic bonuses. We have an open space bonus, which is to provide extra open space. You know, there's above and beyond the requirement that's already, it's a little later, it's already in the open space requirement. We have an affordable housing bonus, which is to provide affordable housing based on current standards at that time. Workforce housing, condominium ownership, and you've seen all of these actually you saw for the Sony district. Tell me the sunset place. Sunset place. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's downtown some ideas. We have a sustainability bonus. That can be used twice one free story one story, one for gold, one for platinum. Again, this is just like downtown Somi. Except here we do have, and we'll get to it later, we have a base requirement for sustainability. So actually we expect this one to be more easily taken because if you have to get green or bronze, then it's easier to just step up. And finally I mentioned there's additional parking so if you want to provide more parking in your building you want to provide parking for the public you can get a bonus for that as well. Charm Charm Charm Charm, do you clarify on that point is it publicly accessible parking or is it it would be publicly accessible parking? Okay so it can't be it can't be parking that meets your minimum, your minimum, so you get a over park you're building above the minimum. Correct. And that, and that excess parking has to be accessible to the public. Correct. Okay. And presumably we can charge a fee for that. Correct. Okay. And it has to look like public parking from the outside. Okay. One thing to add to that point is there is a particular circumstance in the TODA that turns an oriented development area, the core. If you have a live local project because of state preemption, those projects are allowed to go with no parking at all. We don't think that any reasonable residential project would come in with no parking at all. So this would be something that they can get a bonus. They have a little extra incentive to not put their cars on the streets of South Miami. So that would be the only case where it's still public parking, but it's to make up for what should have been private parking. As we get into the form part of the plan, so we're out of the bonuses, and I'll talk, we have a high plan, so we'll talk about where the bonus heights go. But I do, let me just go back. You see it, there's seven bonus potentials, different potentials. There's actually a total of 10 stories that you could get out of bonuses, but in no location could you actually use all 10 stories. So this is a menu and you can't eat it all kind of thing. The street hierarchy is what determines our form and which determines our setbacks, our building, our stepbacks and so forth. The best way to do that was not just by some districts, but we think certain streets are more important than others in a walkable area. And so those have been outlined. They're fairly similar to what's been done before sunset, sunset drive. Excuse me, I'm losing my voice. But the streets that you have outlined in blue are called the primary streets and everything else will be a secondary street within the downtown. And this basically keys into what we'll have later in the form regulations to a three slides from now. So the primary streets are a little more attention to a little more openness. The open space would be more of a public plaza whereas in the other streets it would just be maybe a pocket park. There's step backs in many cases are a little bit greater on the main or the primary streets. There's also some green lines. And again, this actually does exist, although it's hard to find in the existing code, but we do want to have Peseos or cut-throughs for pedestrian passages for very long blocks and those have been outlined there, they're shown in green. Those are actually open space that will provide a bonus. So in other words, it's not mandatory, but we're trying to say where they would go so we don't have somebody taking up a sail just where we don't really need it. So it's open space and it's something that could be applied for us opponents. We have an open space plan. It regulates the amount of open space. It regulates where the open space goes and the types. What kind of plaza, what kind of park is it's very public is it just a private space is a part of the entrance to the building. We have a few dimensions to make sure we don't get insignificant spaces. There's a mistake on the slide. The open space requirement is for everything above 20,000 or 20,000 square feet of site area or more, from 20,000 to 40,000 is 5% of the site area. Below that, we don't have an open space requirement, it's just two burdens and one small parcels. Above that the requirement is 10%, it's not 15. So it's 10 and then that's without bonuses. So you're required to do 10. If you want to have a bonus floor, you can put five more in and you can have a second one of those and have 20% if you want to have two bonus floors so they're the other way around. So again, this is the basic requirement bonuses add more. The building height plan is what we, this is new. So at this time, right now, the height of the building, including bonuses, goes with each sub-district, MU4, MU5. In the new sub-districts, that doesn't happen. The sub-district decides how many, which bonuses you can take in certain cases, like parking is not allowed outside of the TODA, but that's all it does. It determines the base height, as it does now, because we do have to preserve those rights. The building height plan, so the purple is the highest and then you know descending lighter and lighter colors of blue. So the purple area is the area of closest to the material station, it's the most intense and it's allowed to go up to 15 stories. That's with bonuses. So if you have a you can apply seven bonuses and get to 15. The medium blue color or darker blue color again we're moving out from the center so we have a less and less intense effects visually. That is a 10 story. And that would be everything more sort of the outer ring of that intense area of purple, and then also along sunset drive. Because again, this would have been effective right away. We have to rezone sunset drive or the hometown to the TSTD. And then as we go further away, there's a category of this sort of medium blue, C blue where you want to call it, that would be an H story and again that's where we get to, we're getting very close to neighborhoods and then where we're very, even closer to neighborhoods where typically in the neighborhood area, the TSNA, transit support of neighborhood areas, only residential, those are six stories. And then towards the outside of that, you see some cross hatching. And this is not, this is in the code, in the proposed code, and it's in the text of it that says, anytime you are within a cross this street, adjacent to a budding single family neighborhood or residential neighborhood, you would have to have the first 75 feet of your project be no more than four stories. We would expect townhouses there. And the 75 feet distance was actually metered off of the Somie Park project, of the related group project. That's exactly what they have. 75 feet in, they have the four stories and then they go to the higher building. It seems to work pretty well and so we're using it for the entire area of downtown as a ring around it so that we never have something that faces the single family areas or the lower density residential areas that's more than a four-story building. And typically if they're town-owned as most of them seem to come in at three stories which again is what you're seeing so many park. Hey misdauvers before you go on I think we have a couple questions. Commissioner Baye? Yeah, misdauvers on the on the teal blue on the bottom there 76th Street. Before we had I think I believe it was eight stories with with bonuses now we're seeing six is that six with bonuses or is that maximum? Which which one you Between between 74th Street and 76th Street Salsa 74 76 Yeah, I think it's 74.76. Yeah, those are actually those are the residential areas right now. And there are zones at the moment as residential 18 inch maker and 24 inch maker, the 24 is allowed for stories. A lot of those buildings are there. They're as far as the code goes today. They're legally non-compliant. I know there's I think the ass tech is like eight or nine stories. They'd stories and I thought it was 35 density was per acre. That it was currently. It's 24 density and 24 and 18 for the all those residential areas. Actually, there's nothing in the city that's over 24 units per acre for residential. And one of the reasons we talked about this a lot earlier on about that residential area, we decided, initially, we were going to change the residential category. We decided not to because we would have an effect that would go in other areas of the city where we didn't want it. So this area would go to six stories which is lower than some of the buildings that are there now but is higher than what the rights are and it allows much greater density. And this particular part of the phase that we're doing today, we're not estimating density with this as well. Does it just naming or are we allocating density to this particular area as well? We're not. So it's part of the TSDD. Yeah. So the entire TSDD has 150 units per acre throughout the whole district. Got it. Okay. So bonuses don't apply here so they couldn't get to 200. I don't, we don't think that so they couldn't get to 200. I don't, we don't think that 150 fits in six stories anyway, but six stories will be the limit there, and it's trying, we're trying to respect as we transition into the neighborhoods. Do you think, because one of the issues that some of us on the Commission want to make sure change happens in that particular area, that we see condos updated upgraded Do you feel like six stories at that particular density would? Suggester welcome change there six is a compromise to the honest We had talked about eight. We had talked about six. We talked about seven The benefit here is going to be so right now as you go down to that area and you might want to redevelop a lot of it, a lot of it, it's all parking lot. Most of it is, oh, service parking. So the benefit here is that with a greater density to redevelop, you no longer limited to 24 units in acre. So before you're 24 units naked, when it counts over the parking lot, so what do you do? You have a surf parking lot and maybe a taller building. Now we're saying you have six stories to work with. You have a very high density, 150 is quite a lot. You won't fit it all in there, but you can redevelop, you can get a lot more units in there. And it incentivizes that person, that investor to actually build parking within the building and not have surface parking because then you're just wasting the density. But again, it's been a balance because we want to have, I remember when we first started this a year and a half ago, my former mayor, starter, got up and said he wanted the sort of camel humps plan and we're trying to do is make that nice transition that comes into the neighborhoods and then the last part of it would be four stories. It doesn't have to be townhouse but we expect to be sort of townhouse kind of structures that would face the street. It doesn't have to be. Mr. Hover, I think the vice to clarify what you just said for me. If I'm not mistaken, you said there's a building there that's a non-conforming, it's eight stories. It's tall, but it's not wide. It has a bunch of parking lot. The way that you've done this is you'll take away height so you give it with so that they can build the parking and make it six stories, but they don't lose inventory, correct? Because what we don't wanna do is, like have somebody pass through the drive-through, get home and there's no fries, right? Right. That's correct except for that we haven't taken any height. We're giving height. We're giving two stories of height. If, but you just said there's in this light blue area, there's non-conforming buildings that are eight stories. Right. But they're non-conforming. Yeah, but they exist. So I'm not very careful with the way they are. Yeah, but they exist. Right. So right now I'm pretending. It's eight stories. There's 75 units. So if they were to knock it down tomorrow, they could build six stories with 85 units and other parking. Even the guy who has an eight story building. Yes. It's a very small eight story building. Okay. That's what I'm trying. That's what I'm trying to get at. at. So we're not sending anybody home without French fries because what I don't want to do. They're getting a shake with their meal as well. So I mean essentially. There you go. See I'm trying to read hard not to say anything that's essentially essentially I think in that particular case you're bringing the building closer into conformity with the code. Yeah, and not miss the. Half the permitted height. They're getting closer to the permitted height. If they were to redevelop, they would get more units, more floor area, but in a lower envelope. OK. I just want to make sure we're not sending somebody home with less than what they have today. OK. Thank you. And thank you. The last area I wanted to point out was the red cross hatching along sunset. So what happens here is we've wanted to preserve sunset. We want to preserve the Main Street feel. And the Main Street feeling of it is two stories. The two stories, because in this code, we're allowing a very generous first story. It's 22 feet. It's a very generous first story. It's 22 feet. It's a very generous first story. You can have a mesenene in there. But we also know that for commercial for retail, the trend is for very high quality retail, we have these very high floors on the ground floor. So the two stories on sunset would be something around 34 feet, potentially, which is closer to a three-story building of very small floors. But we want to preserve that feeling of the main street. So that area is a step back on those blocks of two stories, 34 feet, and it goes 75 feet into the property. We had a lot of back and forth about what kind of distance we should go back into the property. And in a lot of back and forth about what kind of distance we should go back into the property and in the end what we're using is basically what most of the buildings are, not the properties, but most of the buildings are about 75 feet deep. So it's not to say that we want to preserve those buildings. We'll get to that later but what preservation will mean but we're following the pattern as there. And we'll see what happens. Again, it's a bit of an experiment. We're trying to go back and forth. We need to a little or too much, and we decided on what the buildings are that exist now. So that's a step back for sunset. The rest of the block can go to its 10 stories with bonuses or to it eight stories without. Question from I think Commissioner Cory. I just had a quick question about those units that we'd be zoning at the two stories on sunset drive. What are they currently zoning at? That's one place where it's currently MUCR4, four means four stories and it's and with the hometown overlay. That is a step back. It's not the full property number one. So we are taking away for that part of the area but we are also giving much more at the back of the property. So it would be a very difficult challenge to think that we're actually taking away rights from the entire property. So and of course the density is increased and we are actually not looking at FAR. Right now the MUCR4 is an FAR of 1.6 and 24 units and acre four stories, four stories and 50 feet. So, more to clarify on this point. So the crosshatch seems to be the entirety of the folio. So you're not saying the limitation applies to the entire folio. You're saying it applies only to the 75 feet. Right. In some cases, that might be almost the whole fol volume, but in other cases, it's not. It depends on, I guess it depends on what we have. So, I think the size of these blocks, we're not going to see much redevelopment that's not assembled. We have, if we took away 30 or 40 to 50 feet, we're doing the same thing. And this is the debate that we had a lot on this. If we take away 30 or 40 feet, we take a lot out of that development project. So does that create any liability for us? I think you're saying it would not because in essence you are adding adding adding at the back substantially more than what they had today so that's how I can be staffed explaining how that that can potentially could end up being resolved okay but well I mean I plan to discuss this point further later we get into conversation but this is an extra tape I think it gets it can be a little and I know this looks very busy, but I wanted to just show something block by block where you can see very easily what the base height is or number of floors, which is the number that's the black number on the white background and what the bonus amount is block by block. So you see there, for a lot of the district, we don't have bonus require we don't permit bonuses so those are straight up numbers six four where we transition into neighborhoods and then as we get into the core district where we allow bonuses we have possibilities to go higher than the base number of floors so the idea was I it's a busy slide, but it was to just help understand for each block how that works. And then finally, I think you mentioned before that we had shown something different. We did make some changes between the planning board and this first reading. There's a lot of discussion about the height, and we've made some adjustments to where the height's go. And I wanted to provide a comparison of the two. Basically, what's happened is that the big things that happened is we took away a little height from the planning board discussion, when this was presented to planning board, our maximum with bonuses weight was 18. There's a lot of thought that may be too high. So we brought it down and spread it out a little bit geographically. So it's a little bit more distributed along US1 and the metro rail tracks and a little bit onto the other side because of course we have fairly high development in sunset place. So that's what happened and there was more, a little more transition that was created. The eight story, height limit came through in those sets of discussions. Again, I just wanted to point out there was a change. We did move this into a greater amount of transition and pull it down a little bit, but spread it out geographically. And then finally, there's building forms. So building form is the rest of everything else. All the other requirements for the building, the setbacks and the stepbacks, how long the facade can be, where the brakes occur. Not to get deep into the details here. We have, we ask for a little bit more setback and stepback and a little more control on the primary streets, the ones that were outlined in blue, three slides earlier. And the other thing was that we wanted to be, we wanted it to sort of all pull together into a district for the city where pedestrian space is identified two ways and is identified by the building as well. So again, there's a lot of details here. I don't know if we want to go through all of them, but suffice it to say we are providing a little more setbacks than are required currently. We want to open up the streets a little bit more. We are providing more heights, so we want more space on the ground level. We want more public space, especially on the primary streets where we expect the walking to be more about shopping and points of interest, whereas some of the other streets, the secondary streets are more about pedestrianism in other words, to get from one place to another. Mark, on this slide before you move on, I have two quick questions. One, can you explain, try the next slide on the standards? Not the heights. Can you explain maximum impervious coverage at 1%? Is that everything but the building? Yes. OK, so of the 10% open space requirement, only 1% can be impervious. Is that what you're saying? We're in an urban environment environment so we're respecting that. Most public clauses we're intending for pedestrian use for you know, the fountains or we can still have planters but we can't make large green spaces in the downtown of the area. We want to have that more of the edge and more in the rest of the city if we are, if the decision is to be more urban about it. Can you also explain how the maximum number of trees required? Can you explain how the minimum number of trees required gets calculated based on the primary per-lot standard and the 28 per-net acre standard for secondary streets? I'm not, I'm didn't immediately, it was not immediately evident to what the interplay was between those two standards. It's actually out of the code that we have right now. Okay, so we have about a 25 foot spacing and that's really where it comes from. We wanted to be a little, we wanted again, we wanted that to be more strict on the primary streets and gave a little, a little more room on the secondary streets. One of the difficult things here is we're recognizing there's an urbanness to the environment. We want trees and we want green space but we also realize it's an urban environment. So basically we're just to understand. We're basically saying that every 18 and a half feet or so you need to have a street tree on a primary street. Because if you do three per lot in your minimum front is just 50 feet, it's somewhere between 15 and I'm not a math major so yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So more or less goes with a car space. Okay. The other thing I do also want to mention is that a lot of the dimensions for continuous frontage that was all based on development interest. So we know we have 65, 70 foot double loaded car doors. So we're trying to not go smaller than that. We want to allow development to happen without these catches where we ask for something that's impossible to do that also works off a parking trace there's 75 to 70 feet with structure. So again if there's something to edit here I mean this is getting I just want to understand what you're proposing so on the second category which is secondary she's 28 per net acre. How does that get applied to the secondary street? That would be on the open space. It can all, oh, there would be on the public open space and also on the private open space. And that's something I am, sorry, I skipped it while I was speaking. We have a requirement in here. Very easy requirement. Every development does it. But we have a requirement for besides public open space for private open space. There's almost no place that actually a residential development. They never not include private open space. Private open space is very important just what's within the building, maybe above the parking deck. We want trees there too. You can put them on the roof. That's fine. I doubt that. But if you can make a green roof, which is fine. So we want trees in those areas. We are actually now having a requirement for private open space because as we develop as a city, this puts a lot of burden on the parks. We want people to mingle and socially come together in our parks as well But if a development creates its own we want them to say make your own pickleball court because we only have so many in the city We're having a lot of development a lot of people Mark, I think I'm understanding how you intending to express it I just don't know that it be represented a table this way makes intuitive sense You know these seem to be standards that would apply The second one in particular to the entirety of the lot. I don't know why it would be referenced on a column But refers only to secondary streets So to me, you're kind of baking in some confusion So I would just say we may want to revisit just the presentation maybe not the standard. So just read a little bit more intuitively than what you have right now. And again the three per lot you know that's your basically your street to your requirement. I don't that needs a reference any primary street but we have a lot expressing itself along any frontage. You're talking about one every let's just each 20 feet to round up right essentially. Okay I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. architectural standards. So Mark, how many more slides do we have if I can ask? Just like two more. I know there's a lot. OK, so let's see. Does everyone read the materials and have specific questions they want to get into or not? Any questions and architectural standards? I just want to try to move this along. I'm sorry, Mark. No, it's OK. I understand a lot to talk about. OK, let's skip this next. Let's just do this. Just flip through your slides. If people have questions, we will stop you. So if you can go to the next one, please. Okay. Most of it is the same. I'll just talk about what's different than interesting. Okay. We have glazing and transparency standard that's been added. It's the minimum architectural standard we can require. One of the difficulties we're not doing a design, you know, we're not having, we want to be open to anything an architect wants to do. So the only thing that we can do and all agree on is glazing. We don't want a lot of buildings for little tiny windows. The other thing is the historic context along sunset drive. The buildings are not historically designated as, you know, on the federal register, they're a historic context. So as we have redevelopment along sunset and we do have the step back to respect the main street feeling, what we don't want to require is to have an investor actually preserve some of these buildings because in a lot of cases, as they found on Miami Beach, these historic buildings and cement is all the b-bars resting, it's too much work to actually save the building and build around it, so we're allowing that that design would be interpreted in the new building and they don't have to save the actual cement and actual rebar and actual structure of the old building and try to build over and around it. So that's probably the most important thing about historic context. And then, you know, we have our standards for the zoning. We're consistent with everything. I'm not going to belabor all of this. So I'm open to questions. My advice here, I recognize. I get to be forward. Go ahead. Go ahead, man. What we saw here takes into account all of the feedback that the planning and zoning gave. Yes. OK. Planning? No, I should say there's one thing that planning and zoning did give us feedback. They had a concern about legally non-compliant uses and that we would have a provision. And everything that's there would not be legally non-compliant. In other words, if a natural disaster not used down, they could rebuild. We actually, Tony and I talked about that a little bit and we realized that as far as the uses go, we allow everything that we have now. The only thing that we are not allowing is light industrial and the type of automotive uses that we have right now. If we were to allow them to go on in particular, then it's contrary to what we're trying to do, so we did not include that. Thank you. Okay, before we take any further questions, why don't we open up the public hearing on this item? And here for members of the public, if there's anyone in the public who'd like to speak to item 12, what's agenda. We'd ask you to come forward at this time. We had a number of people that were registered, so I will start using that list. Mr. Steve Halegua, you're recognized. I'd like to come forward, sir. I'm Dr. Steve Halegua, Chiropractor in South Miami since 1977, and still in practice in South Miami. I'm four progress. I'm four buildings because I think South Miami needs it. I like the old part and you know the old feeling but I think we need more people to be in the area. I own some retail on Sunset Drive, and I can tell you the retail is having trouble existing. They need more people to shop, more people to eat in the restaurants. It's not enough traffic. We need buildings to be built where people can walk down a block or two and use the retail. I think that's very, very important. Very important. It's good for business, it's good for me, it's good for everybody. I'm also not in favor of being on Sunset Drive and having, I know you're talking about a two-story restriction of height, I'm not in favor of that. I don't think that's good. I think you should be able to go at least four or five stories the way it was before. I think you're trying to bring it down to two stories but I don't agree with that. I'm not in favor of that. Anyhow, on full progress, I think it's important for the city to grow and the retail will do much better and the retail is a very important part of the community. The restaurants are not doing so well and the stores are not doing so well and we don't need more people to be going out of business It's not good for the city. It doesn't look good. It's just not good We need more people to be living walking distance to the stores Okay, thank you for your comments sir. We appreciate you being here You may uh, Dr. Halal before you go ahead and believe we have a question for you a question for America You said you had properties on sunset correct You may. Dr. Halal, before you go ahead, I believe we have a question for you. A question for Eric. As you said, you had properties on sunset. Correct. What would entice you if we have the opportunities to do something better with on the properties at sunset place? You said for hours. Allow a little more height, you know, because down the road, I'm sure it's going to be developed all around. that these properties are getting old, and I think they're gonna have to be torn down and just rebuilt to some degree, they're old properties. Right. Okay, just asking. They're getting old. I would just like them to be able to be a little higher so someone could come in and maybe develop them a little better, make brand new stores and brand new buildings there. Okay. It would just be better. All right, thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Freeman. You're recognized. Hi, my name is Adam Freeman and I'm here on behalf of Bayside Office Center and the Ballot companies as asset manager. We have property at 5700 sunset drive, also known as the Crossroads Building, 5734 sunset drive as well as 7230 Southwest 57th Avenue. First and foremost, I just want to thank all the commissioners, staff, planning mayor, vice mayor, Joe Cordino and his staff. I know it's been over two years of planning and this is not easy, it's not easy. You get it right, it takes a ton of time and really appreciate the public service and all the thought that's gone into it. My comments today are specifically as it relates to sunset drive and the overall intent of the zoning plan. Right now, you know, when I look at the minor office memorandum from today, it says that the chief intent of the rezoning study is to respond to trends for mixed use programming and revitalize the South Miami downtown for long-term social, environmental, and economic stability. It also says that Sunset drives the main street of South Miami downtown. And as the vice mayor so beautifully put, she doesn't want anyone going home today with less than what they have, or even better without any French fries. Right now we do not have any French fries as it is written in the code today. Currently right now, those properties properties are zone for four stories 50 feet of height. They are going down to two stories and 34 feet of height. While I understand Mr. Avarez's point of 75 feet and anything beyond that you can build up from there. It's not really how development works. We don't build two story buildings 75 feet, and then 25 feet of 10 story buildings. I think the plan needs to be looked at again. And if you really look at what this is doing, it's essentially establishing sunset drive as a preservation district, or even as a historic district. And in other municipalities, there are always incentives to preserve that. If you want to create and preserve that neighborhood field that has made it special in the past and continue that, then you need to help property owners preserve that. Because right now, as Mr. Haleg was said, the retail conditions out there are tough. Businesses are turning over. They're not able to pay their rents and keep in mind that the standard retail lease is a triple net lease, meaning all property expenses are passed on to those business owners and those tenants. So when a building is dilapidated, when it needs extra work, the tenant ends up paying for that. So if there's an incentive program similar to the city of Coral Gables, the city of Miami, it's not a new concept for transient development rights that can be given to those owners. If you want to say you can't build four stories anymore, you can only build two, well then help us and incentivize us to beautify those projects and make the city better. Typically when that happens we can tie those transient development rights to property improvement. You don't get your transient development rights unless you're improving your property. That will help improve the corridor because as it stands right now Mr. Alvarez was saying you don't want to see those historic properties remain some of them are older it doesn't make sense. But if you want new development there, yet you're removing property rights and property height, where's the catch? It's just sunset drive property owners being left holding a bag and they're not exactly being treated fairly. So I think you've got a lot of things right in this plan, but I urge you guys to look at that again and create some type of incentive for Sunset Drive. Either transient development rights or a fund related to Sunset Drive rehabilitation, whatever it may be, you're going to build an entire city around one street that's your most important street and yet you've forgotten that one street. It is the only street that is going through a down zoning and losing property rights was zero incentives to help preserve it. So thank you for your comments. Mr. Bass and then Mr. Avignon. Mr. Mayor, members of the commission, it's wonderful to see you this evening before I begin. I just want to acknowledge the Mr. Alvarez. I I mean I do this a lot. He covered a lot. That was an incredibly thorough presentation. Not easy to do. Not easy to do with this hour. Not easy to do after a long weekend. So that was really a very thorough comprehensive presentation. I'm here tonight representing a repeat customer. I'm very proud to be representing Avalon Bay. Avalon Bay is the developer of the Avalon South Miami project. Sometimes referred to as a Windixi project, now referred to as a fresh market project. I think it's a great compliment you should all be all very proud that such a preeminent developer that would undergo such a difficult execution with that project would be here again seeking to develop in your jurisdiction. I'm quite proud to say we have an incredible project under contract, the 12-partial triangular piece that is bounded by US one sunset drive, 59th Avenue into the South by Southwest 73rd Street. We wish to redevelop it with a vibrant mixed use transit oriented development and doing so hope to eliminate any perhaps notable or otherwise interesting non-conformities that may exist within that parcel so we could have a uniformly zoned in accordance with your codes. With respect to the building height plan, we're seeking a few fries and perhaps a shake. We would ask that they all be, all 12 parcels be labeled purple on the building height plan. Presently three of the parcels in the triangle are proposed to attend stories, but we would like the parcel to be uniformly purple there. And we would ask that only the northernmost parcel at the tip of the triangle which directly touches sunset be limited as sunset buffer and that the parcel is behind it without any frontage on sunset not be so limited. I'd be quite pleased to work with your staff and you all between first and second reading to continue this conversation. Hopefully we could amend this between first and second reading to get our fries and shake. And if not, we would be happy to continue the conversation within the context of a separate district. I thank you all for the care and time that you've put into this important exercise. And I look forward to seeing you between now and second reading. Thank you. We'll take your payment on the way out of the drive-through. Mr. Avignon, you're recognized. For the record, have you ever know with the law firm with Bill's in Sumber and 1450, Burkha, Avenue? Here to echo the sentiments of the prior speakers, I think this has been a very, well, and I will speak about the fries in a moment. But this has been a very, well, and I will speak about the fries in a moment, but this has been a long road and there have been a lot of iterations of what is before you today. I think the refinements that are before you are largely in line with what the general public and the property owners are wanting to see. I will start with one of the comments made by the mayor with regards to the chart. I do think the chart perhaps can use a little bit more fine tuning. There were a couple of items on there that, at least to me and perhaps it's just a misread seemed off like maximum lot area at 12,000 square feet. I'm not sure if that's intended to be that actual maximum lot size. I assume it's not, and I'm this reading what the intent there is. But the largest item that I wanted to discuss was density. I know that Mr. Alvar has mentioned that putting in the density restriction was based on the existing conditions and not really seeing an issue with achieving that maximum or exceeding that maximum lot size. But I'll tell you in specific in the TLDA area, which is set to be at 15 stories with bonuses, getting to in specific sites that already exist and are already in place, right? So this isn't a new grouping of properties, achieving that the ability to go higher than 200 units is not doable with the current regulations. In other words, we are looking to get to what today's standards are, which are either no density in the TLD area, or perhaps there's a mechanism for a non-conforming, or an existing property to be able to exceed the maximum lot size, exceed the maximum density. And what I'll tell you that is easy to do here is you already have a minimum unit size. You already have a maximum height. So if you're building within the envelope, I'm not sure I see the damage of it going beyond the 200 units per acre because if you're able to achieve that bonus height and you're staying within the volume, if I have to stick to 200 units of the acre on certain parcels that are about larger size, I'm just going to be forced to do larger units which may not be really what you want, especially if you're looking to create additional units and additional, yes, vice mayor. So that's my fries. That's my fries. Let's give a question. Is that, is that, include your comments? That does. Okay, I do, I believe we do have a question for the vice mayor right here. Right, right. I always have a question. When you're talking about unit size, you're not talking about the micro unit. No, so your minimum unit size is 550 square feet. So micro units typically are between 250 and 275. Did we kill those? We did. We killed them. We never have to see the rich motel again. So you're at 550 square feet. So just to give you an example, represent an example, the property I'm talking about in particular is 5959 Southwest 71st Street. You all will know it as the roadway in property. So the redevelopment of that site, in order for us to, when you work out the 15 story volume, if you will, achieving all the setbacks, the parking requirements, et cetera, and meeting the minimum unit size with a unit mix, an average unit mix of about 800 square feet. So there's two bedroom units in there. There's one bedroom unit in there, and there are some studios. You'd be leaving about 50 units on the table if we're capped at 200 units to the a Does that I just wanted to give a representative sort of example of why that piece is important? The question you mentioned something about non-conforming sites and so what about that site is not conforming? No, I there's what I mean is existing. I mean just that existing assemblage That's what I mean is existing. I mean, just that existing assemblage, that's what I meant, not at Noncoma. I mean, assemblage that's existing. I think candidly in the TLDA area, you've already made a policy decision that this is where you want your height. This is where you want your density. And it's consistent with what you have presently, right? So the prize reference vice mayor, which you won't live down today. But that is what you have now. So there's not anything inconsistent. I understand the desire to have a maximum density. But I wanted to share with you that particular example, because there would be, in that case, because there's already an existing assemblage, you wouldn't be able to achieve. You would be capped. Understood. For the questions, yes. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you. I have a question for you. Yeah, can you? Yeah. We'll take it. Is there anyone else who would like to address this commission on item 12 in the chamber? Anyone on the zone please raise your vote your hand for item number 12. Okay, see no further public comment. We will close the public hearing. Colleagues questions of either staff or each other, I guess. It's like for Keneski Mark, when I could ask you, you're right next to me. So as he was mentioning, okay, so they leave 50 units on the table, but when we're looking at something like that, how the heck would at least people get out of that building? That's what I think about. When I think about the density, I think, okay, so we've got the possibility of that 10 story building, and then we've got the possibility of the roadway in, and everybody trying to get in and out. I think of my friend Robert who used to live across the street from the American Airlines arena. Is that what it's still called? Calls on something else now. And it would take, thank you, thank you. It would take him 35 minutes to get out of his parking garage. And so I, sorry, we can ask you to mark. How we might not have the answer. I don't. So. So is that, is that kind of where we kept that density? Is it because people aren't going to be able to get the heck out? That was your question. I'm sorry. I've been speaking in didn't hear it. Yeah. No, like, OK. So when we're taking into account what Mr. Avignon very nicely pointed out, hey, we're leaving open space on the table. So when we did those calculations, did we do it thinking about like at my friend Robert's house, or it takes him, you know, not anymore, thank God, he moved 35 minutes to get out of the parking garage in the morning, because there's so many people in that building, is that kind of what we think about? We were just discussing that. So one of the things we can take an average unit size, which we just say 800 square feet, add circulation, people's circulation inside the hallways and so forth, a thousand square feet for a unit isn't a bad estimate. And then you need more or less amount of a thousand to park the cars that go with the unit. So we can do all those estimations where we get a little bit off on this is the shape of the buildings and the amount of amenities and private open space and the other things that go with that building, the lobbies, the Vakashonski is very hard to estimate. So as far as estimation goes, it's something that I'm happy to do, but I have to do it in a very generic way for every single block. When we talked about density, so we have gone forward without a density limit for, we were taking seven years with the TODD, now TSDD. And form basically the bulk of the building and a lot of development parameters double loaded all the way and so forth to find what that'll mean. So I'll take 60, 75 across the street, you didn't get a giant block taking up the whole block, it's got a shape to it. Those are things because we can't zone that quite specifically we can't ask to make it. We know that the buildings will not take up the whole block. So those floor areas get pretty difficult. The reason we did the density is again, just because we're seeing, we're living in a time where we have a lot of preemptive statutes coming from our state. We started to look at those and say, maybe it's a good idea to have an entity limit. So we needed a legal opinion just on the first action of live local as to what's the highest density in the city, because we immediately looked at what was in the TODDs that there's no limit. So what is it? And I think a lot of other cities grappled with this. There, this happens in a number of places. And we just decided for some safety purposes, maybe it's a good idea to have a density limit. A very generous one, 200 is a lot. It's 250 would be like Kendall. I mean, 200 is still a good amount of density. It also allows us to no longer, as we go forward, in order to do year-based amendments. And we have to, I don't know how this happened before. When we tell the state what kind of concurrency we need, we're in a traffic concurrency exceptionary, so we don't have to worry about traffic. But we still have to worry about the other aspects of infrastructure, schools and parks and so for parks that we've relied. We have to have some way of estimating what we could have in the sort of very long term. And all this is very difficult also because we own development and it doesn't all happen tomorrow. We won't have 200 units in a acre on every single block tomorrow is going to be like 10 years from now, 15 years from now. So, it's really something to be conservative and the best metric to use since it's so hard to estimate every single block and every single circumstance, every particular pro forma that each investor might have. They want high end, they want affordable, those are different. Those are, if we were talking about affordable housing, or workforce housing, or a high end market rate housing, they're very different in the amount of square feet that fit into that form, amount of units that fit into that form. So it became very difficult, and we decided just to use what little history we have. We have two developments that were approved. One was at $100, approximately $150, and then $46, I guess. And the other was at $196, $200, a very good number. The app, I mean, that's quite high. So that's where we, that's how it got established. It's that simple. We went through all the complicated stuff and came back to a very simple one. This used usually happened. Thank you, Mark. Okay. For the questions of Mr. Alvers. None? Okay. With that, thank you, Mark. Colleagues, discussion on the item. I, of course, have things to do. Go right ahead. You're your by the vice mayor. Thank you. Would we want to consider leaving the buildings on sunset drive at the four stories 50 feet that they are today? So we're in essence not removing something from them. Reducing. Yeah. Can I follow up, Mayor? You may. in essence not removing something from them. Reducing, yeah. Can I follow up, Mayor? You may. I wasn't aware that we reduced it. Is that something that came from planning board? I hadn't had that discussion. I was just wondering where the reduction came from. That's actually been a discussion we've had from almost the beginning that we would leave a context along sunset at a two-story context. And you had said, oh, we do on the roof dining and all of that stuff. But yeah, we kept making it smaller. But I'm saying, do we want to just leave it where it was so we're not taking things from people. Yeah, if you ask my opinion I think you should get four but we already had it up. What do you think? Sorry I'm dragging you into this. You're very quiet today. So first time I think it's your quarry. Well dad something while we'll recognize Commissioner Lehman. I do agree that it wouldn't be great for us to obviously down zone that area to two stories. But it is interesting because we have sunset plays coming to us with an idea of where they're going to be at. And they probably will have that two story preservation back to a certain extent. And to keep that uniformity, if they can make it work. Maybe there are some sense of drive can make it work. So I'm a certain distance. Commissioner Lee, I don't want to jump ahead of you. Go ahead, sir. I don't have a comment other than that comment. I don't see the comparison of 10-any-acre lot to much smaller footprints, but yeah, other than that, are we missing something? Yeah, I don't, I mean, I regret, honestly, in retrospect, allowing for that setback, on such that where it was, I should frankly personally dug in much deeper on that point, because I'm seeing the creep now with this conversation. So I'm salient on my issues. And I apologize to Mark and Tony, because I have thought I had sent you comments on the actual draft. I only sent you my map comments, some of which are reflected in the map that was presented here as a refinement. You'll limit your issues to the zoning study, right? Correct, yeah. So I think we need to consider whether 90% lock-overd is advisable. I mean, a lot of what we've heard by way of feedback from neighbors in response to the one project that's vertical, which is the fresh market project, is that the building feels too massive. I think part of that is not sure what the lock coverage is there, but a little bit of reference point to know what we approve there there because that's the uniform feedback. I think people are interpreting the lot coverage as height and the height feels more exaggerated than it is because it's it feels like it's the entirety of the block so I would I would suggest we look at a 90% maximum lot coverage is something we might want to revisit down slightly and maybe allow for a 90% lot coverage with some incentives or some sort of contributions from the developer just to limit that impression gets further baked in the mind of the public. I don't have serious questions about where we got the bonus values from and I think we're probably just carrying them forward from the sunset place document. I don't want to use that as the basis for establishing values. So I think between now and second reading, if we can engage Mr. Maginheim to talk about how we can, he's our, he's our, I'm sorry, Mr. Maginheim is our appraiser that we've used on a number of projects that's on contract with us. I would just want to engage them in a conversation about what the right valuation is for these bonuses. So that we're getting fair value for giving those concessions on height. Related to the lot coverage, we're talking about 20,000 square foot floor plates as a maximum here as well. Again, I would just ask that we have some further conversation about whether that maximum floor plate size is advisable for the reasons mentioned before. You know, we had Mr. Jacobs come in here and talk about the fact that, you know, now there seems to be more obstruction in the air. Obviously, the larger the floor plate, the more the height feels like an imposition. So, and then beyond that, I, you know, you mentioned the hotel parking and vice mayor, I would tell you what's in the code is probably a good standard, one space for every two units, is not a bad outcome. I think that probably a lot less personal passenger automobile trips out of a garage with a hotel use. You're certainly gonna see a lot more shared use rides to and from or public transit related rides in today's environment from those uses that you would have historically and I think if we're basing it on the IT manual it's updated. It's probably a fairly good indicator of what the trip generation would look like or profile would look like for that product. Probably I'm surprised a bunch of people but today I'm going to vote no on this item. And my no vote should not come as a surprise. I'm, you know, again, I think this is all good and well, well meaning. But it's a liberalizing envelope and cut our noses despite our face, which to my mind is to either up zone, center drive, or if we're gonna leave it static in today's environment, not concede some additional rights to those commercial property owners for what is, I think, the greatest gift they can give us, which is allowing us to preserve what is the character that can make this place special and different from any other TOD in Miami, it might be Dave County, I think is a mistake. And so I just want to be on the record on that point. Strongly today, I think the, I don't want to tag the set back to what we're seeing at sunset place. That is a much larger project. The only reason I didn't dogging is not to be a no. I don't want to art this commission to be an obstacle to progress. We've seen where that left us the last time around. But I don't feel that today's code is certainly not optimal. We've seen where that left us the last time around. But I don't feel that today's code is certainly not optimal. But today's code certainly we've had some success working with the current parameters. I like where we're going generally. But I don't want to go in that direction and sacrifice the thing. I think it's going to make this town eventually special. It's going to draw the contrast between the old and the new and really define a special place. So I'd like to see, I think Mr. Freeman's statements perfectly encapsulate my sentiment, which is let's keep it at the scale that it's at. Let's give them rights that they can sell. Not a shocking position to all of you. I'm not a smacking. Given all the comments I've made before. So that's right, Matt. Yes, sir. Here's to follow up on a couple things you said. And one thing the vice mayor said in terms of the, I don't want to get too granular here with one item. And you say if I say there's 75 pages, but in terms of hotel parking, I'm fine without any parking requirement. So when the other side of that argument, in terms of the Wendixi project, fresh market, call it what you want, I believe the floor plate's the entirety of the lot. I believe there's 100% coverage in terms of the floor plate, in terms of the floor plate. In terms of the law coverage, there's that open plaza. Certainly not to scale of what we anticipated it would be. But in terms of the plan itself, it's just that we were not going the baby out as well. See how good you are with babies. Is your only concern in this plan, the sunset drive? Or is it? That's my major concern. I mean, I think we've done a pretty good job of calibrating the transitions back to the neighborhood. You know, we've had a conversation about 74 street before. I'm concerned the more we bleed south, the more it invites opposition, but I think we're striking a good balancer. I'm with you and I appreciate all your concerns, the concerns you bring to the day is a land use attorney. So maybe we could approve the plan. Want to hear from everyone else? Maybe we could approve the zoning plan and then come back and workshop this because that's really the way it should be done. We're sitting at conference table across from each other and not have to be fighting against the clock when we started five this evening and then maybe we could just focus on sunset drive. I'm perfectly fine being in the minority there's another vote still. That's okay. I mean, I procedurally I wanted to just ask the city attorney. I'm not killing this by voting no. We've just passed with three out of five votes. So correct. This requires four votes to be adopted. For adoption, I would be on second reading just to pass on first. I think we're voting. And Mayor, would you always try to do as you always try to build consensus? So maybe we can agree on everything as opposed to just planting feet in the no vote, agreeing everything with the exception of Sons of Drive, and then come back and workshop that and see if we can't build consensus on essential drive as well. And if we'd like, we can bring in stakeholders, or right, outside voices to weigh in. But I just, back to this, I think these types of, these types of initiatives are, I don't know if we have enough meetings, but are better held in, or just think workshops are more suitable, more productive than, and we're seeing across from each other with the consultants, more in acting and so forth. To get back to my point, let's see if we're all in agreement with everything except for some to drive. Right? And start there and then come back and workshop some to drive. Is anyone here in agreement with actually setting it at the two stores? Because I don't, I don't't I know I'm not I know Commissioner Liebman's non-Crisher Kai is not can I say something? You man I think there's just a question so I mean are you let's just go around the around the horn so are you are you are you better at four or or you fly with two I think that was it. I don't want to take away property rights and current property rights, but I absolutely appreciate the mayor's perspective, which is correct. What makes the Sunset Drive 57th Avenue to US1 and we want connectivity in their study, US1, what makes that Main Street special is it's a Main Street. Why do people cheat? It's central, but other than that, no one argues, it's tired, right? It's an neglected area. There's no restaurant that pops up in your restaurant Rollodex, right? There's no real draw there. So, you know, it's the architecture. It would be tired. But once you have four stories that it won't all happen at once then I think it goes from Main Street to a low-rise corridor and we should preserve what makes the city unique or one of the things that makes the city unique. I have a question though. But isn't it four stories now? Yeah. So we're not taking anything away. It's it we're just leaving. So no I think I think well the proposal had it at two stories. No no I know but if we say we're scrap what we've said so far of two feet two stories to here and then ten stories to there we're gonna say the sunset drive and 57th Avenue or however it is that it is right now. We're going to leave it the way it was. We're not taking anything away. We're just leaving it alone. Would that appease your sensibilities and yours? It would not appease mine. But again, my sensibilities are different. I think it would address some concerns others have about any potential taking slave. I think staff has said what we're doing is limiting the envelope for a disperse certain amount of fee and then liberalizing it substantially beyond that. Through the mirror. Yes sir. I think the challenge is what we always had is how do we incentivize the owners of sunset place to develop something that's not dated. Something that's a little bit where did I say? Sunset place. Sunset drive. How do we incentivize them to do that? So one option was always TDRs. The other options just let the market take place with what they want to do. We had spoken about that and we just, you know, I think that we just need to settle on that. The four stories that I wasn't aware that we lowered it, but I've always been of the opinion it should be for. We should never talk about that. And I think the four out of the five of us, I think right now four out of the five of us are maybe feeling that we keep the four stories that were there and four out of the five of us have always been no TDR. So I think we're landing back where we started. So. So I think we're landing back where we started. So look what I wanted to state is how do we incentivize ourselves? And TDRs is always the avenue that the mayor wanted to go do. But we've had ownership here that we spoke about that. They would rather just sell it and really upgrade the building. So it doesn't transfer like that. And so those are the things that we have to take into consideration. What I was going to say along those lines were debating too and for, it's currently for how much to develop, have you seen the Sun to drive the last 20 years, word stance. So the only other lot in play with scales, large in the current small footprints and sunset places for the bank properties. And Mayor and Commissioner Coye, did you meet with the Warts family? How did that go? Are they interested? Well, they want to preserve the existing building and retrofit it. Believe it or not. So that was surprising to me. But I welcome representation on their part. So they're banking on less being more, frankly, on-sons at drive, which I think is what I've heard from ownership, and you look at successive districts like the design district, where I develop our represented in SAP gave back a million square feet development rights, right? On the theory that less can be more. And so I think that to me is part of the possible genius or benefit of this, is, you know, sometimes not having everything go vertical creates a unique sense of place that's hard to replicate elsewhere in an environment. But I think, look, I think we need to give staff some direction so we can kind of eventually land this plane because at the end of the day people in the audience that want to make an investment decision need to know what we're going to be for better or worse. And I may not get everything I want or the main thing that I want. So that's fine, that's democracy. So I think for this board, staff has recommended a limit of two stories. It sounds like we would prefer to revert back to whatever the baseline is. I'm not sure if it's uniformly four stories across this entire district. I thought the north side had a much more constrained zoning envelope. Is it four or two stories there? The both sides of sunset, yes. With the acceptance sunset place. It's four stories. It's four stories. So is the direction we want to give to staff just so we can make some progress. Four stories along the corridor at minimum, okay? Is there a minimum number of feet that's prescribed today? Today it's limited at 50. Okay, so four stories and 50 feet is what's there today. So what I'm hearing from the board is we want to see something that's not less than four stories or 50 feet. Is that correct? What did you say? I was right. I finished the sentence. I think that we were. Oh, I was answer. Yeah, I've finished the sentence. I think that we were. Oh, I'm sorry. We're allowing higher floors than we allow today. So if I can, I would recommend that if we do have four storage, we still upgrade the floor heights to, because that's what the rest of the code would be still 22 on the first floor. Very big. The first floor and then 12. Okay, so we end up with a 6.58 foot building. It's going to be it'll be 58. Yeah, okay. I'm sorry. I would stick with 50 feet that way you maintain a lower height and leave it up to develop where they want higher floors or no we don't have to dictate it based on floors we dictate a based on height. Okay, so that that we want to show the parking lot. Again, my fundamental other other principle issue is have a hard time liberalizing the envelope for everyone else and telling these people thank you very much. You're stuck where you are. That's essentially what we would be doing here. We have had this conversation. A million. Like I said, what direction do you want to give staff? I say I think we've all pretty much said. More stories 50 feet. 40 feet 50. OK. And then the fence of that, the more development around properties will make that property worth more and more. They're not far from everywhere. Right. OK. So we're not. OK. So 40 stories 50 feet. There's not far. There's not far. There's not far. There we were. Right. Okay. So we're not. Okay. So four stories, 50 feet. Mr. Alvarez, if you can show that on the revised plan, we'll bring it forward. Yes, ma'am. I wanted to say something about landscape coverage. Do you want to? No, I just, we don't need to bring it forward we'll notice. Perfect. May I ask an additional question on the floor in 50 that we have today? How far back will we take that? So another's right now we still have a front of the property at 4 and 50 but the back would be allowed to 10. So how far back do we take the 4 and 50? What was it on the code right now? 75. The whole thing. The whole thing. The whole thing is four stories and 50 feet. No, I'm saying in the proposed. Oh, it's 75 feet. 75 feet. I'm not, again, I think we're just, you're going to, you reckon we, we're vocably changing the character of the corridor. So you're going to, you know, that point just, just, just up zone the whole thing frankly. No, I'm just telling, I mean, you're going to have a 10 story building set, I mean, oh, that's what I'm saying. That's correct. You know what, commission leave and have a good point. Let's just sit down and talk about it. OK. So direction in terms of a change for stories, 50 feet. I think we can ask staff to bring back as a consensus position. No, and if we're going to workshop, please let's not do it next week because I'm not here. Okay. Okay. Is there a motion on item 12, please? Let's move it with discussion. Let's move it with a modification to the map. Yep. Okay. Is there a second? Sorry, are we all in agreement? I just want to get back to this are you all in agreement with the plan is proposed excluding sunset drive. I am. Yeah. Yes. I am with yeah but I will be a no because of sunset right yeah just it's clear okay. Okay okay okay let's welcome We know we need to focus because we have a motion. I haven't heard of a second yet Who's the second? Did I motion you move you move in a vice mayor? Secretary sorry Who'd like it? Okay, so Commissioner Kai here the second madam clerk if you can call the roll please Commissioner Kai again. Yes, Commissioner Corrin. Yes, Commissioner Lehman. Yes, President Boñez. Yes, Mayor Fern a person who is Certainly yes, just not next week. We said a date two weeks two weeks from today That would be a commission meeting Let's do this. This is how the clerk circulate some dates and we'll get a consensus that way, okay But it'll be this month. Thank you And in that time, we also, I'll ask through the manager, what we also be engaging Mr. Maginheim on the bonuses issue? Yes, I would ask that we certainly consider that. So Mayor Comissures, can we bring this back for second reading on October 1st then? Yes, please. That's time to implement. Yeah. Okay, thank you. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm glad we can read item 13. Wait, are we going up? Yes, I'm 13. I'm trying to get people here who are here in the audience out of the chamber. Yes. Yes. The City of Southland and Florida. I'm ending Article 3, Zoni Regulations section 23.3D, permitted you schedule of the land development code to allow you to merchandise establishments within the load agency office district. Thank you. Do we have a, do we need a presentation from staff? Or is everyone ready to vote on this item? I'm ready. You are. Okay. It's a public hearing, my apologies. So if there's any member of the public who'd like to address item 13, which is in order to our permitted use schedule to allow use merchandise establishments within the low intensity office district. Please come forward at this time. If you don't, if you're on the zone for item 13, please raise your vote your hand. Seeing no one in the chamber and no one online, we will close the public hearing. Again, colleagues, any question? If not, I'll entertain a motion on item 13. I'm Movesie item. Is there a second? Second. I have a motion by Vice Mayor Boniich and a second by Commissioner Cory. I'm Clark, if you can call the role please. Yes, Commissioner Coyin. Yes. Commissioner Cory. Yes. Commissioner Leime. Yes. Last member Boniich. Yes. Mayor Fernandez don't pass it's five zero first. Thank you. I'm sorry to keep you waiting If we can read item 11 into the record please Item 11 a resolution of the mayor and city commission of the city of South Many Florida are proving or denying in application for waiver Plac for storm to section 20-4.2 of the landed government code seeking to subdivided property within a semi state residential RS2 zoning district located at 5,400 Southwest 6,000 third avenue. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Colleagues, would anyone like a presentation from staff on this item? Okay. Marcus, if you can come forward, we have a question from the vice mayor. Anyone else have any questions regarding this item? Okay. Madam Vice Mayor, recognize for your question. Hi Marcus. I'm great thank you. Is it possible, John, for us to put up the conceptual site plan please? Okay. We don't have a copy of the conceptual site plan that we can load up on to the monitor. It's on the agenda It's page what pages? I On the agenda it Did you want to show it for a particular reason madam vice-chair? Yes, I have a question for I mean I can take my computer up to you We can also he's I think he's probably got a copy of the site. Do you have a copy of the site plan sir? Yes, he does Why don't we try without the individual and see how far we go Conceptual Conceptual site. Are you ready for me? When I look at the location sketch on the top right. From the screen. Okay, there. When I look at it on the top right, the hashtags show me the property in question. All of the other properties are showing their full size. So this property would be the only property to be subdivided into a smaller lot. Everybody else would stay the size that this property is right now. Yeah, this is the only property that would be so that all the other ones would stay the same. So everybody else is the size this property is right now. Yeah, so I'll. No. No, no, no. Yes, so I'll. No. No. No, that's what I'm. Yeah, I want to. So they vary the vary in the size based on the median analysis, but they're roughly approximated the same size as what this property is currently. Are you talking about it once? So like a long time sorry, so just to clarify, I think what the vice mayor is asking is she's seeing a location sketch at the upper right-hand corner of the site plan that seems to indicate would appear to be the platted lot sizes. Are those lots in that current condition, sir, or have they been subdivided by waiver of into smaller lot sizes. No, they have other lots on that location sketch have nothing plated or recently plated. So they are currently the size that's shown on that location sketch. Because you saying correct, and I have the applicant shaking you send the back. So Mr. Attorney. I'm talking about the rules and answers. So if you can come up to the record, I'm happy to recognize you, because we can get your comments to the record. Before I acknowledge you, please come forward just in case of a question. Mr. City Attorney, did you want to add some clarity to this conversation? Yeah, I was just going to add, I think what Mr. Life was referring to is the platted dimensions. But those properties are actually, most of those properties have been divided. In fact, I kind of did a very crude map of the area. Okay. Oh, good no. You know, just from the property prazer's office, then these are owned independently. Most of the properties are owned in roughly the same size. Some of them are broken up down the middle, so they're about 21,000 square feet per property. This one is about 15,000 square feet on one side, and about 28 on the other. Okay, so anticipating the ice mirrors question to staff, approval of this waiver of flat would essentially render this lot consistent with the division of the balance of lots in the area. So we're not, we're not, it's generally lots, it's equivalent size to other lots in the sub area. So we're not, we're not, it's generally lots or it's equivalent size to other lots in the summary. Roughly, roughly. There are some that are a little bit, I think the 15 would be on this same block face, I think the 15 would be the smallest one save for the one on Miller. Okay. But across the street, there's all 13,000000 across the street going west or across the street going west west. Okay. So lots that they're facing have a similar character in size and maybe slightly smaller. Correct. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you for sitting next to me. No problem. Happy to help. And I just wanted to so I understand that the map because to meet was a little bit unclear. Lot two is how deep Mr. Lightfoot. 110 feet. Okay, so it's that line. Okay, so that pool will be demolished or was that, oh, sorry, is that pool is part of the new one story CBS residential structure? The pool will be part of the new, it's proposed.. The pool would be part of the new it's proposed. It's not currently not there in the now. Correct. It would be part of the redevelop of the existing home model. OK. So the lot fronting on Southwest 63rd Street would have a very deep setback. That's equivalent to almost the size of the lot depth of lots of. Correct. But that's the minimum required for us to 35 feet. No, I'm sorry here. Maybe I'm going to. Yeah, I'm just noting on the site plan, you've got a dimension of 103 feet. Yeah, that's okay. Six inches. Yeah, that's a lot one to the face of the remodeled home. Yeah, that's the existing that's the existing front set. So essentially, these two homes will be kind of scrunched into the middle of that block. Okay. So I understand what I'm looking at. Okay. Colleagues, any further questions? Just to clarify, your recommendations were approval, correct? Yes. This is quite this complied with ours to a district that lies with a code. Okay. As was the planning board day voted 6-0 on that. Colleagues colleagues for the questions Seeing none then is there a motion on the item Y'all this is the quietest commission we've ever had everyone's on one one second Thank you. We have a motion by commissioner Lee Min a second by vice-member one each Matt and clerk sorry, I hope you're fine. Yeah, you much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. We've got six consent items. Are there any items we want to take up for discussion? Are we going to have commission comments? We are. Can I move this out of the way? Any consent items that we want to discuss there have questions of staff so you can pull for discussion I'm fine. Okay If we have no desire to discuss these items can I get a motion on items 1 through 6 once the clerk reads all the items into the record Okay, no, I'm clerk if you can read items 1 through 6 please That's an agenda I don't want a resolution are proving agreement with my me kids LLC DBA my me kids magazine For event management services for the census for rate of the LZ band in amount of $10,000. Item to a resolution select is Boarding Contract for Construction to Highconn and Vesemist LLC for Construction of the Redstone Concessions Building at Southampton Park Project. Just to run to an intersection to bid number of PR 2024-07 in amount and amount not to exceed $2,000,000, $560,000, $594,000, and $34,000, $31,000. Authorizing the city manager to negotiate and enter into the contract for the project. Item three, Arizona Provincial Proposal, they've been with Kim Lee Horne and Associates for the preparation of a comprehensive voluntary assessment and adaptation plan, not to exceed $150,000. I inform a resolution approving and authorizing purchase for the development services department of 34 Maverick pickup trucks from Duval for pursuing to Bradford County Sheriff's Office contract number 22-27-1.0 each in amount of $29,757.46 for a total expenditure amount of $89,789,272.30. Declaring them existing vehicles as surplus property. Item 5, a resolution improvement, authorizing the purchase of I plan tables, workstations for I project solutions LLC in amount of $14,233. Item 6, a resolution to budget, authorizing transfer of $87,000 from city managers, continued to account, solid waste workers account, and solid waste, blinds account to the solid it feels disposal be account. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Commissioner Cuyah, I think you wanted to move items one through six. Yes, I did. So move, does there is second? Second. Okay, so we have a motion by Commissioner Cuyah, a second by Commissioner Corry. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll on items one through six. Yes, commission Italian. Yes. Commission Cori. Yes. Commission Lea. Yes. Besson Baudinich. Yes. Yes. Hernandez. Yes. Besson. Sanlegia Besson-5-0. Okay. Madam Vice Mayor, why don't we take public commission reports at this time? Thank you. Pleasure. There are a couple of things I want to talk about. One being the school speed zone cameras. It was brought to my attention that these cameras are set up to ticket outside of the school speed zone hours upon looking at the language. It is ambiguous. It kind of says one thing at the beginning and then another thing in the middle. I've looked at it with the city attorney. We've kind of done this to ourselves. So in saying an exuberant with the exception of some of us, yes, to these cameras. We've now opened the door to giving tickets outside of school times. So I would like us to consider having us look at this again because it is now more than I think that y'all bargained for. Speaking for myself on that item, I was perfectly aware that would provide for tickets to school hours and anyone outside of school hours, I think it's over 10 miles an hour, but the post-it speed limit would also get a ticket. I'm happy to revisit the conversation. If we want to revisit it, I would also ask the chief to give us, we do spend quite a bit of time on sunset drive with, you know, officers and a manning that roadway segment. I think one of the benefits of the cameras is we can actually get those one or two officers off that traffic duty and deploy them elsewhere. So we're not have active duty officers manning that segment to keep speeds at or near the post at speed limit. But so I would say if we want to revisit let's ask the manager to put it back on the agenda's discussion item. And I would just ask staff to kind of prepare some sort of a estimate on our cost of manually enforcing speed limits on that segment or any other segment, but that segment in particular is the thing that we do it almost daily today. And at the same time, I would love it if I know that we had had a discussion about getting a machine that will let us do traffic studies. If we could maybe have at another point a discussion about what I consider a speed trap on sunset where we go from 35 to 25 to 20 to 30, I think that that's unfair to motorists. I don't see the reason for it. I think that the idea of us going from 35 to 25 at random, down to 20 in front of City Hall, and then up to 30 in the zone where the shops are. It doesn't make sense. It's kind of counterintuitive to what one would think. So I'd like us to consider looking at that. And I'd love when and if we do that for us to see how we're giving tickets in that area. Because I think it's it's I don't think we're doing the right thing there. Yeah, I mean I probably deferred to public work staff there. I my assumption on why we had that variable rate of speed was because of the geometry of the street in front of City Hall. It's a little bit off center, so probably requiring people to slow down so they don't, you know, clip each other going into that somewhat certain teen section. But I mean, we'll get some clarification on that item, and I think, you know, I had gotten a call recently from a colleague at the law firm saying, you really need to get your cops out of those left turn only lanes. And he's a PI lawyer because someone's going to drive up on them and end up suing you guys for creating an unintended hazard because our lights are off, they're hard to see along that section. So I think one of the benefits of the cameras is that we're taking our cops out of harm's way and we're also putting them into, you know, active patroling as opposed to just dedicated to doing traffic enforcement. But anyhow, let's have a conversation at a future agenda, yes ma'am. And then one more. I've had more conversations on the $65 million bond than I would have ever imagined. And I've had people say they'd prefer us to raise their marriage. Are we going to raise their taxes just over and over and over things? And I'd just like to clarify for the record that my support of this is that I would never support something that would actually raise someone's taxes. My view of this would be that this would come into play when we have something to pay it down. I am not in support of raising anybody's taxes. I think anybody who knows me would know that's not something I would ever support. So I am officially on the record telling anybody who knows me would know that's not something I would ever support. So I am officially on the record telling anybody who will listen because I think that is ridiculous to think of me. They mentioned that and I agree with you on that point. We all agree. I think we all do. So. Okay. Do we have any other commission reports? Just a clarification. Yes. For the public. In terms of the school traffic cameras, so I'm going to bring the chief up. If more than five miles an hour during the school, right, crossing hours. Can you elaborate on the standards of when people get in tick? Monday through Friday, Saturday, school hours, crossing zone hour, all of it just so that that way there's clarity We have to let people know when they can speed And I think we have a public information video on this topic that we had on our social media as well So we have done several hour reaches with not only the news media Let's put PSA videos We've even done hand out flyers to so many part, leap part in our senior center. We'll do it once more. Yes, sir. So the speed enforcement is enforced 30 minutes prior to the start of school. So that is, if it's a breakfast hour, let's just say it's 7.30, speed enforcement begins at 7.0700 hours. It continues throughout the school day. Now, there are times during that school period where you go from 25 miles an hour to the flashing yellows that bring you down to 15. At that point in time, the speed enforcement is above 10 miles an hour. So at 11 miles an hour, so 11 miles an hour and above, you could get a notice violation. And then it continues throughout the school period, but that 15 miles an hour obviously stops at some point. The flashing yellows come off and it goes back to a 25 mile an hour school zone. There are notices of violations during that period, where again 11 miles an hour and above above 10 miles an hour and above, above 10 miles an hour, you can get a notice of violation for speeding in a school zone. And it ends 30 minutes after the end of school. So for example, if that's 3 at 3.30, it gives the kids time to clear out of the school area, the parents to pick up the children, and that's when the school is enforced. It is not enforced during non-school hours so not on weekends, not on city holidays or school days where school is not in session. Not on the evenings then. I'm sorry. Not on the evenings then. No sir. Because it's better than I thought. I thought it was, I thought it was all the evenings as well. You're so fat, you're like it's better than I thought it might just worse than I thought. You see chief they have not been watching the public service messages. So it's all day long. I did all those videos. Thank you. It's all day long. No it's just during school hours so it's really good. 30 minutes before and 30 minutes after so. Seven. If school started at 730, it can be from 0700 if it ended at 3 p.m. it could end at 330. So from 7 in the morning to 330 m. You can speed all evening. I'm driving this day. I don't even know this. What is the latest in person to get a ticket? What is the latest time a person to get a ticket? 330 potentially. Well, it depends on what school. It could be if it's a early school one it fits a 130 day it could be a two o'clock would be the latest they would get a ticket or notice a violation okay it just really depends on the school zone and enough itself thank you for the clarification sir thank you okay for the commission reports Commissioner Lieben. No, there are a couple commission discussion items. Yes, right Commissioner reports on Sure, I mean why don't you why don't you take it you get some good conversation those all The worth family it was a good conversation They they've been up to speed on what we're doing. We gave them a very good update on what we're doing as the city zoning, all the changes that we've seen, the commission base, and they were very happy to see the opportunity to really invest in our community. So the bank center has, they're already thinking about redeveloping it, or modifying it for more retail space so we can have more walkthrough with the ability to also reach 73rd Street so it'll extend from sunset to 73rd Street. They said they'll be working on that right away which is good news and on the other lots that they have there are very open to start looking at the development process for those. That's short and sweet from my point. Thank you, no again. I think they were also very complimentary to the city's leadership and our staff and the interaction we've had with the last couple years. So a compliment to all of you for Putting on a great face for our city so Here's your cord did you want anything by way of commission reports? No, not at this time I just want to say to thank you to the public one for the passage of the charter modification Which hopefully will approve the results later today and secondly for my own What hopefully will be a reelection without opposition later this November. So my heartful thanks to RCD residents for the endorsement of that item and for the opportunity to serve the committee for at least a couple years. So thank you. With that, discussion items, can you read them one, Madam Clerk? Yes, legal, non-conformities. Okay, so colleagues, this is an item. I think the memo kind of speaks for itself. This was brought to my attention by one of the candidates for a city commission seat. We have a very short period of time in which people can preserve the existing rights that they have that are legal and nonconforming. And so the intention here is to direct staff to prepare a item for consideration. I'm assuming by the planning board then by the city commission to basically put our legal nonconforming provision, I would say in a similar approach to most communities across Florida, which gives people a larger window of time to submit a permit application and their after complete improvements so they can basically restore the existing buildings that may have been damaged by some act of God. So that is the substance of the item. Mr. City Attorney, did you want to add anything by way of comment? No sir, other than the main focus I guess of this question was really how much time should we be providing for this and if we get it's the will of this commission to modify that just give me that direction so we can write that out. I think you had it 180 days to submit an application. That was a recommendation. Yeah, I'm fine with a recommendation. I think that's it 180 days to submit an application. That was a recommendation. Yeah, I'm fine with the recommendation. I think that's pretty customary. Any comments, colleagues on that? Underdazed. Thank you, Greenis Forward. I absolutely support the item. And this is consistent content with what I did in the CRA with making legally not conforming lots. Yep, correct. Informing, so. Well, I'll move the discussion item for adoption. Is there a second? Second. Okay. Do we need to take action, Madam Clerk, or is it a direction sufficient? A direction. Okay, so there's no objection to the direction. We'll just have the city attorney prepared ordinance for consideration by the planning board. M2, if you can read into the record as well. Yes, Vance and walled in front yard. Thank you. I ask for this to be added to the agenda. Obviously, I have limited time left, so I just want to bring up the discussion and then should it be the will or the commission they can continue it. It's not on my short priorities list for the next couple months. But it's something I thought about a long time ago. These would joke, you know, in South Miami, that the backyard is the front yard, because the kids play in the front yard and one of the great things about South Miami is that it's so neighborly. But everything, if you know anything, if you experience anything with design, it's all about line to sight. So when you look down a block, if there are no fence in front yards, you can see the entire of the block. Your eye stops at the first fence in the yard. And these fences are becoming more like walls and they're becoming denser in our code. You need X amount of visibility, but there's ways around that. And it's just the reality of the marketplace is more wealth moves into the area. Have you homes are selling for more than 10 times with these sold for originally? That's accurate. And it's more wealth moves into the neighborhood. That's a product of a new demographic moving to the city and these brand new homes. I know for the most part thus far, you don't see as many as we may as we could, but I think it's to preserve that neighborhood character and not just the visual, but having neighbors engage in with other neighbors. Yeah, I'd like to see us revisit that. And these are also, these aren't pinecrest-to-state lots. A lot of our lots are just simple, quarter acre, you know, almost 11,000 square-foot lots. So I personally think once you start to see more, it's going to attract from the neighborhood quality of, you know, life and self-miami. So, and I definitely like definitely like the city attorney. I mean, everyone's been the city attorney and the mayor's positionist I think you've seen. I agree with your observation. I think it certainly makes neighborhoods more inhospitable, right? I think the only place that they do make sense, often given just the traffic on some streets is on some major arterials like an 80s street. Certainly proliferated there, I think that makes sense, a 62nd Avenue, which can connect to neighborhoods, but in the interior neighborhood streets, you know, in my mind less is more. So I'm supportive of the item and we'll love to see it move forward towards some sort of, you know, draft policy formulation for the planning board and this commission ultimately to consider For the comments or thoughts colleagues Okay, so if there's no objection we'll ask staff to prepare a draft ordinance for again consideration and referral to the planning board Okay, and ultimately for consideration by the council. Through a mayor. Why are you doing that? Yes sir. Do we have like an idea of how many houses would violate this vision here? They would be granted. I'm just asking like if we have a is it seen a lot? Fencing in the front like that. I mean, I would say that newer homes in mine neighborhood, absolutely incorporating more front yard fencing. Certainly on 84th Street again, you can- Mace of Reefences. Yeah. Mace of Reefences. Very prominent on 80th Street. I think that's a reaction to just the level of traffic on that street. But yeah, you do see that the US Tome on 87th Street, the US Tome with an addition, incorporated fencing, I think it's gonna become more and more ubiquitous if we really don't kind of make a affirmative policy stand against it. And again, pros and cons to both. But there's, I think you lose you know certainly I would say you know one of the greatest surprises of moving this out Miami was the level of interactivity in my neighborhood around Halloween you know that would forever be changed with the proliferation of front yard fences I mean that's a holiday where people sit out front and welcome people onto onto their into their front yards to interact and again with fences at that That the vibe of that all they would certainly be changing You I wouldn't disagree mayor, but I would say that on the north side closer bird You would see that houses want to be isolated. They like the security. They like the fencing So it's it's just different in different neighborhoods So we need to look into that because on the north side, you would see that a lot more. There's gates. Yeah, I don't think this proposal, as I saw the memo, would prohibit it per se. It's just going to make the fences lower in scale and require, I think, much more opacity. I think it was above 36 inches. So that's how it was styled. I mean, we can talk about it further, but I think it's a discussion worth having a conversation about it. Thank you. Thank you. Further comments, colleagues? Any objections to the direction to staff? Seeing none, we'll dispense with it that way. Madam Clerk, for item N1, do you read that into the record and do we need to vote? No vote. Okay, so just note for the record that Angelica Lang has been appointed by Commissioner Porry Corey to the Historic Preservation Board. Colleagues we've got item 789 and 10 to dispense with. Madam Vice Mayor I know item 7 is yours and it's back on the agenda, the direction to staff. I know in my briefing with the manager we still don't have pricing on the recycling. Can we roll this one over to the next meeting? Yep. Okay. Can have a motion to defer item seven then Madam vice mayor will move it commissioner cia will second it and we'll let's defer that to the 917 agenda no hopefully by then we'll have that information Madam clerk can you call the roll item seven please? Yes commission cia commission please? Yes commission Coyote. Commission Coyote. Yes. Commission Lehman. Yes. Yes. Madam Fernandez. Yes. Item deferred to 917. Madam Clerk you read item eight into the agenda. Into the record please. Item eight. A resolution started by an a declared results of the city of Southland special election held on August 2020-24 for the election of their referendum charter amendment valid question entitled voting requirements to issue bonds or borrow money. I'll move item eight. If I motion by myself a second by Commissioner Kaye. Colleagues any questions? Seeing none, Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll please. Yeah, just a comment. Thank you mayor for how much time and resources you put into this. It's my pleasure. Thank you guys for the support. Commissioner Coyne. Commissioner Corrie. Yes. Commissioner Leedman. Yes. Assemblyman Nish. Yes. Madam Fernandez. Yes. Item pass is 5-0. Can we move read item 9 into the record please? Item 9, a resolution of provisionally the collaborative plan and approach to fund operation maintenance and management of the underlying phase three based on the terms of condition attached here to as exhibit a authorizing the city manager to negotiate a memorandum of understanding MOU with the underlying conservancy Miami-Dade County the city of Miami and or the city of Cora Gables and any necessary parties for collaborating funding plan for the underlying phase three. To colleagues, this is nine of my ass we place on the agenda. So by way of brief background, you all are familiar with the underlying, we're probably all familiar with the fact that our city unlike the city of Miami, Cotel Gables and Dave County did not contribute to the capital improvements that are being constructed. I mean, I'm sorry. I did. Twice, but I just put the design. Oh, my apologies. No, please, that correct that, because I wasn't aware of that contribution. There's a contribution made for design. I see, but it was an animal in the mail. Okay. I believe on, definitely, I believe on two occasions, but you could break that up, right, design, and so forth, right? Generating and then the construction, so not the construction. I guess that's not an issue. To correct my statement, yes, there was just no contribution for the construction of the improvements, okay. So I was approached recently by Meg Daily about her request to have various cities support this request. I had initially, it was gonna to be basically a handshake understanding. I have reservations about doing it unilaterally. I'd like to make sure that all the cities that are benefited by the linear path or are adjacent to it are contributing in accordance with the schedule. I thought it would make sense to have some sort of a memorandum or interlocal. I'd ask for interlocals specifically, but I'm assuming Mr. City Attorney, we did not style this as interlocal because we have a non-governmental entity that would be a party to the agreement. That's part of the reason we, if you can clarify the reason why. Yeah, we just thought a memorandum of understanding would be more flexible. There are certain things that don't have that would have to be in an interlocal agreement that we're trying to get the other cities to sign onto this and to have like a binding the memorandum of understanding would accomplish that. Okay. So that's the reason for at least the change in my mind and again what I would like to say we're going to commit to fund it. I want to make sure that we can put pressure on our neighbor's restrictions to do their part as well and have some sort of a contractual relationship with them obviously subject to the typical caveats for budget and appropriation annually but Again, I thought again not an insubstantial amount of money for us to commit annually 300,000 dollars It's an obligation that was starting fiscal year 26 once the facility is open. That is the reason for the request. You know, as a, as a favor to our friends of the underlying, I asked the reading item of this agenda because they are having a ball at the end of the month. I thought it would at least be good to be able to under two announce that ourselves and I believe the city of Miami will be moving a similar item forward to adopt this funding model. I have not yet confirmed whether Quarrel Gables with the county but I think the county is already committed. So hopefully we will show some leadership here and have our sister jurisdictions kind of follow suit and memorialize our contribution in writing and hopefully I'll be bound to support this important amenity on a going forward basis. Any questions I can answer for my colleagues? Madam Vice-Maria, you're recognized. I had to ask earlier, but I can't remember the answer. Is are we responsible for security? The number of maintenance includes security. So again, this is the full cost for the operation and maintenance of the facility. But they're contracting the security. So again, this is the full cost for the operation and maintenance of the facility. But they're contracting the security. They're contracting the security. Obviously, we would provide, our police department would provide support to their security, but there is actually an incident that requires police response. Okay. Thank you. For the questions. Without further questions, I'd like to move the item. Is there a second? So much about myself and a second by Commissioner Coye. That work if you can call the roll on item 9, please. Yes, Commissioner Coye. Yes, Commissioner Leedman. Yes, I said, well, nice. Yes, mea Fernandez. Yes, I don't practice five. Thank you for your support. If you can read item 10 please. Item 10, a resolution approval of the purchase of new LED sports lighting and related installation services for Pomapark from a school sports lighting LLC in amount of $650,000 together with a $50,000 contingency for a total not to see $650,000. Use the lighting that turns in condition that are competency-based, source-world contract number 041123-MSL, authorizing the city manager to negotiate and get in agreement with the contractor relating to the same. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Colleagues, any questions of the administration item 10? The parks won the lottery. That's it. There's nothing else to say. They won the lottery. I'm sorry. Would you like to move item 10? No. No. I would like to move item 10. I'm moving it. You move it. You're a step with board. We have a motion by Commissioner Coye. Is there a second? Second. Second by Commissioner Coye. Seeing no further questions or comments, regarding item 10, Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll, please. Yes, Commissioner Coye. Yes. Commissioner Coye. Yes. Commissioner Leibman. Vice Mayor Bonit. Yes. Mayor Ferdinand is. Yes. Adam has a spy through. Thank you. I'm seeing no further business before this council. We