so that when we transcribe the audio tape, we get it right. Because when you sign, we don't always get it right. And so I will call this meeting order. Welcome everyone in attendance. We have quite a crowd at night. And we've got a long agenda. We have some planning, some rezoning, planning cases that will take a while tonight and we will try to move through this as expeditiously as possible. Welcome everyone and we invite that you at this moment, you stand and join me in a moment of silent meditation and invite you to pray if you are so inclined and we will follow that with the pledge allegiance. Thank you. I'm glad you're leaving. Yes. Through the flag of the United States of America, and through the Republic, we will extend one nation and under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. This is the appointed time for the public comment period. I will open the public comment and invite anyone in the audience that would like to address the council on any matters of concern or city business to as your turn comes up. Come up here, sign the book and tell us what you was on your mind tonight. So who's first? Oh, yeah. If you're only a agenda for a case, you don't need to share it now. You will have your opportunity during the hearing of the case. So is anybody in the audience tonight that is just really, really dying to talk to the young man? I'm going to talk to the gentleman. Now that you're mentioned. Oh yeah. Well, hearing none, I will close public comment periods and we have a public comment period at every meeting and invite the public to come and make their concerns known. It's your best opportunity to talk to the council members, especially as a body. So I keep that in mind. Mr. Nuddle, I think item four is yours. I will open a public hearing on Community Development Block Grant. And I would guess that once you finish and once we finish hearing this, this room will be empty. Be close to it. Be close. Thank you, Mayor. This is the public hearing for Council to consider authorizing a request to amend two existing community development block grants that right now we possess. One of those grants was specifically for coronavirus recovery efforts. The other was it is specifically for renovations to casp and homes. And because we have to open and existing community development grant programs. And because our understanding is that the state has excess funds that are not obligated at this point, we have an opportunity to take input on potential program amendments to ad scope to eligible projects. And that's what we are attempting to do here this evening. This is the second of two public hearings related to this effort. The state rules require us to have two separate public hearings pertaining to this matter for public participation. The specific eligible activities that we'll be talking about here this evening in which you've already heard and in fact authorize this public hearing at your August meeting. Involved rehabilitation efforts, public facilities and public improvements, acquisition of real property for economic development, public services and lastly program administration. As I said, you took action previously to authorize this hearing tonight. the Justice Board. I'm going to ask you to take the first step to the process of the process of the process of the process of the process of the process of the process of the process of the process of the process of the process of the process of the process of the process of the process of the process of the process of the process of the process of the process of the process of the process of the process of the process of the process of the process of the for the David and Pauline Gerald Center City Garden. So that's already authorized in a part of what we will be pursuing based on your action here tonight. We will add projects to that requested amendment. Following public comments during the hearing this evening, I will come back and ask you to authorize Mayor Smith to have the authority to execute the necessary documents related to proceed of those funds. I do, it's important to point out that the Department of Commerce, the State Department of Commerce is going to be the decider of what projects get funded and in what amounts. Any funded projects will be subject to entering into an agreement with City of Ashboro for the use of those funds. It's important to note that no project is guaranteed to receive funding. The funding is awarded based on a competitive process that occurs statewide. Again, I said this last month projects that involve construction activities are required to go undergo a more detailed environmental review. And that will be a part of what we would have to work with any program sponsors, this evening about how to accomplish that. In the most recent grant with Wayne Menhomes, the National Housing Authority, the city asked a way menhomes to take the necessary action to prepare the environmental documentation. There is some cost in doing that, and we expect to probably follow suit with any projects here that you authorize tonight to get assistance in preparing those required documents. But I will briefly just recap the projects that you authorize to be advertised this evening. And then I'll turn it over for any public comments related to what's discussed. The first program amendment is on behalf of Randolph senior adults. They proposed to use $25,000 in CDBG funds to support its meal program that provides nutritional food to clients at or below the poverty level who also live in Ashbro. As you know, the program operates at 347 West Salisbury Street and based on data that was provided in 2324, the association provided almost 44% more meals to Asheville residents. Then it did in year 2020-2021. The funding, if it's provided, would help to stabilize households impacted by COVID-19. So this is the time for public comments. Anyone can come forward and speak on this matter. It's not necessary if information was provided at the last meeting to repeat that. If there is new information, you'd want to do that at this point. But those prior comments have already entered into the record. Thank you. Mr. Mayor, members of the City Council and senior city staff, I'm Mark Hinsley and I'm the executive director of Randolph senior adults. It's my privilege to be back with you again this month in regards to the Community Development Block Grant. I will not go through this presentation again, but I was asked to just hit the highlights. If you turn over to page three again in the handout, one of the components for the CDBG is that it must meet a load of moderate income need within the community. And I believe that Randolph-Singer adults goes even deeper because we track at or below the poverty level. And we shared with you last month that since the pandemic, we had seen a 142% increase in the number of clients that we serve in Ashboro that are at or below the poverty level. The poverty level is significantly below what the load of clients that we serve in Ashboro that are at or below the poverty level. The poverty level is significantly below what the low to moderate income levels are for our community. I did go back and look and the number of clients that we serve out of the Ashboro Senior Center that are at or below the poverty level is 71% of all clients that receive a meal from us annually. If you get a slide four, just recap that as was is showing on your screen there, that if you compare this to the pandemic year 2020-2021, which the CDBG was born out of, coronavirus funding, you'll see that in that period of time from 2020 to 2021 to the fiscal year that just ended, we have served almost 44% more meals than that pandemic year. So the need is great. Every single day we are receiving requests from new clients asking, how do I get on your meal list? How do I write archives, things of that nature? I will tell you that the month of July, I don't have August numbers yet, but the number of meals we served in the month of July was 2,000 more meals than any month we served this past fiscal year. It was over 10,000 meals and we've never served 10,000 meals in a month. So the number continues to grow. You go to the next slide. This is the new slide I just briefly wanted to hit. It just has to do with the overall cost of both the light transit vehicles we operate in arcats, as well as our total meal program costs. You'll see there that every light transit vehicle we purchase now, DOT provides 90% of that, we provide 10%. Let that 10% is $12,000 today prior to the pandemic that was $6,500. So that extra $5,500 has to come out of Randolph senior adults pocket. Any time we replace an ARCAT's vehicle. You'll see that our meal costs exceed what we received from our primary meal funding source, which is the home and community care block grant. We were almost $85,000 over that single source for funding. And then the last slide, or the next slide I would say this past year because we purchased five light transit vehicles at an additional cost of $50,500 due to the rise in price. We spent an extra $27,500 just in seven replacement vehicles this fiscal year, which is what we're scheduled to have, that will increase to $38,500 additional to what we would have paid pre-pandemic for those light transit vehicles. You can see there those extra 14,436 meals that we served out of the Ashburts Center only, out our per-mail cost, that cost us over $70,000 this past year. So total additional expenses of just under $100,000, I'm requesting $25. Someone reminded me tonight, maybe I should have asked for more. It's a little late in the game to do that, but that is the request. I won't belabor it again on the last slide, but the senior demographic is the fastest growing population. Not only in our county, our state, but in the United States. And so, we're North Carolina ranks ninth in the number of seniors 65 and older in the US. And by 2028, one in five North Carolinians will be 65 and older. So people like myself were here, and we need to provide the services. So any questions from the city council, or also from the public that I can attend to answer? Okay, is anyone in the audience who would like to address council on this request? Good job. I was a little remiss earlier and I'm going back up which those of you that attend regularly generally know that I spend a lot of time back and all. You are being addressed tonight by the new assistant city manager for the City of Ashboro, Trevor Nuddle. Congratulations, Trevor. We're pleased with your promotions in that position. And you have done a great job for us as planning and zoning director, and we know you will do a wonderful job for us as an assistant city manager. Well, we are a new manager. Two of y'all will get down and dirty, I guess, in the trenches. So, thank you, I appreciate those kind words. All right. Moving on to the second program, our amendment. Yes, sir. This is a request that you heard from Chip Fouse. And it's on behalf of George Washington Carver College proposing to use $300,000 in additional CDBG funds for construction of few new classrooms and a storage room that would expand its services provided to the community at 950 Martin Luther King Jr. Drive. of the college's educational social programming. The project would provide safe educational and social space where insufficient facilities currently are available. It would also increase social connectedness among neighborhood residents. Those are goals and objectives of the CDBG program for this. A lot of it is funding, so it has that connection there. And this is the time for public comment on this project. Come on, Mr. Files. Good evening, everyone. Like you said, I'm Chippfauce. I'm the president of George Washington Carver College for the George Washington Carver Community and Richmond Center. I gave you all a packet last month, and I'm definitely not going to redo the whole packet, but I do want to just hit on the bullet points. The reason we want $300,000 is for the creation of two new classrooms and a storage room, which we really need. Right now, every time we have an event during the week and the afternoon for the community, the after-school program has to pack up all of their stuff and put it in a closet. And to be quite frank, we're running out of closets for people to put stuff in. There are a lot of different organizations that have very important events for the community at our space. And we don't have to space them. We're glad to do it. But we're running out of space to hold everybody's stuff. For instance, the hope of East Side has a Santa Claus where they give out gifts to kids. And kids can just show up and they get free gifts and they get to take a picture with Santa. And I'm Santa, by the way. But the trees and all of that stuff, we get stored. We put it in a storage space. And then we have Santa for Seniors, which is another event. We have haditudes, which is an event where people from all around the community, all over the state come in and they have a day to show off their church hats. And some church hats go back with the people, but other church hats seem to stay with us. So we're running out of storage space. And so that's one of the main reasons that we want to be able to add these new classrooms. So one, it doesn't disrupt the after school program the way that it does right now. And also we can add in, we'll be able to have multiple events going on at the center at the same time. One group would be able to have multiple events going on at the center at the same time. One group would be able to use our theater and another group would be able to use the classrooms that they wanted to rent them out or to reserve them for separate events. So that's basically the whole gist of the reason that we need the 300,000. We need the 30,000 because the after school program is something that doesn't necessarily, it doesn't run our volunteers. No one in the board, no one on our board gets paid a penny, but the educators get paid and the artists get paid and they like to get paid every two weeks. And so we need that money to cover the shortfall between what we're going to be getting, what we've gotten from you all, and by the way, thank you for that grant that you already gave us. But to cover the shortfall from what we're already getting from donations and from other municipalities and what it actually costs to run the program. That program costs us $93,000 a year when it's running at full steam. And the price actually changes because we're finding so much more about the kids. There's a, I don't want to say a mental health issue, but there's an issue when it comes to attitudes, right? That if we had come into this and we would just use involuntary from the community we'd be in trouble. We'd be in trouble because if I'm in the community don't know how to handle kids that have issues outside of the classroom. What we were lucky we were blessed I say because we started out knowing that we needed to have professionals in the classroom with these kids and so we have professional teachers that work in the school system, that have been vetted by the school systems. And they're the ones that are working with the kids. And the reason that we have to cap it off at the number of kids that we have is because of the number of staff that we have, that's what they feel comfortable being able to grow. Our belief is that we can create a seat of excellence. That's the whole program. We take kids that are straight A students and still work with them on their academic techniques. Like I said last time, things about building relationship with your teacher. Not just turning in the homework, but building a relationship with your teacher. Things that will help them in high school, things that will help them in college. Now, outside of the after school program, many of you know the different things that we do in the community. Different programs that we host. Many of them we host free of charge. Many outside agencies, outside of GWCC, host events at our facility, and we donate the building. Our goal is, I mean, our rule is if someone is doing something for the community and it's good for the community, and they're donating their time, we donate the building. And we've done that for the last three or four years. So in a nutshell, without going through everything in the packet that I gave you last time, that's what we're going to need the money for. That's what we're asking for the money for. Does anybody have any questions? Just, Mr. Fowler, just like Mr. Hinsley mentioned, so many of the people that are using your facilities, they fall in a lower income bracket, which is kind of important for something. Yes, yes. If you'll notice in the packet that I gave you last month, I put a map in there and it shows that we are located, our building is located in the heart of the low to middle income section of Randolph County. And our building benefits mostly, those people who are within walking distance of the facility. I would imagine that 80 to 85% of the people who come to our events live within a five-minute radius of the event. All right? Thank you. Anyone else who would like to speak to Council on this particular request? request. Anybody? You're a student body president at the community college. Random community college. That's quite impressive. Thank you. I also have the honor of being Chip's best daughter as some of you know. I wanted to speak on how these rooms are not just going to be storage rooms even though that is how they are put. Right now our current storage room houses the NWACP's meetings that is the national association for the advancement of colored people. And in those rooms where those about 10 members sit in a circle, there are also after school supplies and all of the after schools like usage and all of their storage and there are attitude hats and there are Christmas trees in the same room where they are changing the lives of colored people in that community. And so more storage space is not only going to make George watching a cover more organized, but it's also going to make the opportunity that it can give to the community that surrounds more efficient and more welcoming. Because I know about five people that want to attend in double ACP meetings or the after school program or anything that's going on in Georgia wants to do a carver but unfortunately they do not have this space or the housing to hold to events at the same time so the NAACP has to go in the storage closet and the after school program gets a theater and so I'm sure 100% with this funding, I just heard about this amendment today, but of course I've lived it for the last three years, putting up the chairs for the George Washington Carve Community Center and sweeping the floors. And I can say without a shadow of a doubt that that building has so much more opportunity. And unfortunately, this short come to buy Having to work in the storage closets and having to clean up one night and then host church the next and so with this funding and With the expansion of the programs. I'm sure we cannot only reach five miles from the building but if a family or people will come, like they come to the zoo from out of town just to go to GWCC and attend the NAACP event because they have the room to do so, and they're welcome to. Thank you. Thank you. Any questions or letter? Thank you, ma'am. Anyone else? Okay. Thank you, Mayor. The third program amendment was presented by Malcolm and Tamey Coley last month. This is proposing to use $900,000 in CDBG funds to acquire and renovate 112 and 114 sunset avenue, which is a partially vacant, currently under utilized commercial structure. It would be for a business committed to providing a retaining permanent jobs with at least 51% of such jobs, benefiting low-to-moderate income persons. Those job creation or retention goals are in alignment with the CDBG program. That would be the benefits offered. It would support local businesses by creating and retaining employment opportunities. Total estimated costs based on the information we've seen is $1.5 million. And now is the time for public comments on this third amendment. Okay, I think you all are familiar, but I'll just give you a little bit of a reminder of what we're trying to do here. So it is about creating jobs for low or middle income people in the Ashtrayo area. It's also about revitalizing the buildings. And so this is, some of this is about my dad's legacy. My dad, because I'm entrepreneur, I think you all knew my dad. An entrepreneur here in As in Asheville since 1964. I'm very proud of the accomplishments. Those buildings are not really holding up to the standard that we'd like for them to. So we would like to do our part to refurbish those buildings and to help to grow the economy by providing the jobs and using local contractors to do this work for the 1.5 million. So, I'm sorry, 900,000 is what we're requesting, but we are also putting our own money in to the tune of $600,000. And so, this is all about, again, my dad's legacy. It's about building the jobs. It's about building Asheboro's downtown community, getting rid of the buildings that are looking a little run down right now. And let me make sure I don't forget anything. The new facility would be able to seat approximately 200 people, the dining facility, but also a event facility they'll seat 40 to 50. Wait a minute, hold on, I forgot one part. So my husband couldn't be here with us tonight, so I'm just making sure I don't miss anything that he told me I was supposed to make sure. Got it right. So there is enormous growth, of course, with the Toyota battery factory and the Wolfspeak facility. And so we just wanna make sure that we make Ashboro the place that people want to come to and enjoy and experience with their family. Does anybody have any questions? Good job, Ms. Kohli. I would speculate that Malcolm was sending you in his stead was probably a good decision. Well, I tried. Thank you. Is anyone else who would like to speak to Council regarding the item three? I would like to add that those interviews were held in motion. Come on out, the leader. I'll do this a little bit quicker than I did last time. As you did here, I'm the president of the student government association of Randolph Community College. In the last meeting I had with Dr. Ardalan Shah, he mentioned to me that he did want to have some real estate in downtown Ashbro to represent Randolph Community College. And as president, I can 100% guarantee that whatever my aunt, Tammy Kohli, puts downtown, I will 100% to support. And Community College students would definitely have a prominent space in this business. And you have my full complete support as your niece. And they will definitely 100% benefit all of the people that have to stay downtown because their classes are there and so it'll be a housing for Community college students in this community Thank you Come on I just want to say that it's not only one 12 and one 14 cents that it's also one 13th trade Street so there are three three buildings that we're and one 14th sunset, it's also one 13th trade street, so there are three buildings that we're proposing. Yeah, I'm sorry, sorry Betty, we know who you are, but the tape that, sorry. Yes, okay. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? Okay, item four. Thank you mayor. The fourth program amendment discussed last month was presented by Eastside Improvement Association proposing to use up to $255,100 in CDBG funds that would improve two buildings located at 624 Brewer Street and 621 Frank Street. Eastside improvement association, as you know provides educational social programming from these two addresses. Sidewalk improvements, heating and air conditioning related improvements, roof repairs and bathroom improvements. All were discussed and information has been presented in your packets. I also received an estimate on, particularly on the roof repair today that is incorporating your packet to give some more data behind the funding request. These improvements that funded would provide safe educational and social space where insufficient facilities currently are available, falls in increase social connectedness among neighborhood residents. Now is the time for public comments on the Fourth Amendment. Anyone in the audience would like to address this request? Did Nail would you like to speak to this request, please? Sure. Mr. Rush, she, I guess you brought all the information from last month. She was here last month and gave us the information in our packets. She gave us a rundown of the project. Well, Central Gymnasium, that's the building in question. As far as the 624 property, we're going to address that. As far as the sidewalk, we're going to take care of that in the next few weeks. But the Central Gymnasium is a community building. And it's getting a whole lot of community use on a weekly basis. Annually, we sponsor the MLK breakfast, also annual community thanksgiving dinner. Our weekly use is the Asheboro Boxing Club, and also the Dragons Youth Wrestling program they're currently using it. And also we just recently had a meeting with the Boys and Girls Club. Hopefully, and craftfully, we want to get the Boys and Girls Club back in that building by the end of the year. Last, I say, 12 to 15 years we've been dealt with a roof problem. It's major now. When it rains, rains hard, all those programs basically has to cease and desist until we can get in there and clean everything up. But roof, the bathrooms in the gym. Also, HVAC system, it needs HVAC system, especially in the summer time. It's really hot in there, but the Boys and Girls Club, again, we had the meeting with them, and we have dressed some of those needs too. And I think at some point, they're going to bring a contracting and get a firm estimate on everything that needs to be done. But again, it's a community building. It's being used by the community, but we got major issues. And you guys know, we've been dealing with that roof for a minute. And we patching and covering it up. And I think it's long overdue. I would agree with that. Yeah. So it is definitely a community asset. And deserves to be treated as such. You can't fix the roof, you can't fix anything else. Yeah. Okay, any questions or Mr. McNair? I just want to ask you, is are you mentioning your application that you put the Boys and Girls Club there? Is that an application? I don't think it's in that it just came up today. I would think that that would help, because they really do need the place to go. Well, I'm sure we can amend that. Yeah, you don't want to get with our admins rush to get with Mr. Nuddle. Yeah. That would make a difference in your application. As you know, I have said from, I would not say that, but that's where the Boys and Girls Club needs to build. Close products and they need to do most of the people that are using it. Yeah. And they want to come back. They were amazed at the size of the gym. And so they're excited about the prospect of coming back. Any other questions? Thanks, sir. If anyone in the audience have a large interest, the item, this request number four. Oh. the item this request number four. Mayor, the fifth amendment that you heard about last month was regarding Lehman Homes, Incorporated Proposal to use an additional $320,560 in CDBG funds for renovations to Casmond Homes. You know an affordable housing community located at 945 South Church Street. This is a project that is going through the process now to get release of $950,000 in funding. What's requested here this evening would, it's expand be able to allow, wait until I'm just expand the scope of that project and include windows as Mr. Lawler previously provided you information on. So this is a pending program seeking additional funding. As I said, we're place building windows. That would result in greater energy efficiency, reduce there moisture infiltration, and also address the fish and windows, not opening and closing properly. Now is the time for public comments on this item. Mayor members of council, appreciate the opportunity to address you again. Last month I was here, provided letter to the mayor, which was in your materials. I think it's in there in your package again. Department of Commerce said we have additional money for renovations and with the approval of the $950,000 grant, we said we can tack that onto it. Well, tacking additional projects onto an already approved grant just extended the approval time. So when working with Trevor, we said, let's just put that on hold. They're doing another CDBG grant. The $950,000. Let's move that forward. Get that done. You on your consent agenda, you have approval of paperwork for that project, which goes, we'll go to Raleigh to get approved. So we have no problem with holding off as part of this 2.1 million dollar other CDBG so we can move improvements to Caspin Home along and not get delayed by more regulation, which we can deal with in the future. So if there's any questions or anything I can clarify, be happy to do it. Requested? Anyone else in the audience who would like to speak to this request. And I'd like to thank Trove for all of the help on the project. He's done an excellent job. Item six. Let's do another. The last amendment related to this request would be a proposal from City of Ashbrook to secure the necessary administrative funds to manage these various programs. So if the entire amount is funded by commerce for the projects you heard this evening, City would be able to request $286,257,000. As you can imagine, would be six projects going on, and a pretty compressed time frame, that would be a lot to manage. We would plan to outsource that activity to a firm that specializes in community development block grant compliance. And the program offers funding for just those services. So we've included this amount with the program amendment as a recommendation to allow us to efficiently manage the projects should they be funded. The last thing I want to say on this mayor is that I just want to remind everyone that these dollars that are requested involve zero local funds. If we were successful in any or all of these, these would be state and federal funds that come to the city without any matching requirement from the city. We would have some time obviously, energy and demand and changing the projects. But the nice thing about these funds, if we're successful, is that there is no impact to the local budget and no local funds that would be necessary to carry out the projects. Thanks, sir. So this goes without saying, but I'd just like to clarify and remind everybody in They were buying an audience that this is not money we have. This is money we're hoping to get. And through Commerce Department, State of North Carolina, if we get some, you may get funded some. If we get it all our market. But we're, our staff is working, diligently to convince commerce that this is vital and necessary to the long term viability Ashboro and it's less fortunate, President. Most of the, one of the rules is it has to support. Low to moderate income. Low to moderate income. The registered benefits are low to moderate income. So, thank you very much. Thank you. I'm assuming there may not be public comments on this particular amendment if there are. Anyone can step forward at this time. Seeing none, Mayor, I will wrap this up by just reminding the board that the final part of this is to ask Council to authorize Mayor Smith to execute the necessary documents specified by the Department of Commerce to request this additional funding. So you can support all of these projects, you can support a portion of the projects or you can support none of the projects by motion here this evening. Our recommendation has been to pursue the maximum funding for any eligible projects that we may be able to secure and then depending on how commerce responds to those projects make decisions about how funding is distributed. So our recommendation is to authorize the mayor to execute the necessary documents to proceed with the request. Any questions or Mr. Murrow on this? Council? There I move. We approve the authorization for you to execute any documents in order to expedite and request the additional funding of the CDBG. Have a motion by Mr. Bell. Do I have a second? Second. Second. Miss Heave. Discussion. Mr. Bell, do I have a second? Second. Second, Ms. Heath, discussion. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed? Opposed? No, it's incurs. You know, keep your fingers crossed and hope that commerce is generous and favorable to our request. And I will be following up with the advocates here from this evening to talk about next steps. I would remind the council mayor and for the public here that the city did get the CDBG, the gross virus bombs because we have an excellent reputation with the North Carolina Department of Commerce. So we're committed to do all we can at the staff level to get these NFL kicks off tonight to get these funds and punch them into insoles. So it starts. So, um, so what all these good folks go home and we'll wander through the rest of the agenda. But I do want to think that we do have a, and, um, a long, um, excellent relationship with the NC Department of Commerce on a lot of different projects. I'm going to jump in here with a personal point. It's not often that we have this many people in the room and it's fairly usual that when the meeting is winding down we end up with about five or six staffers and no public. So I thought that's right, be the right time. There, again, I thought I could do this, but being your mayor for 16 years and highlight my life. And in fairness and consideration for anyone that might be running for counsel or especially that have intention to run for mayor, I'm announcing that I will not be running the time. I'm just in my part. I'll leave it next summer is an election for four council seats and the mayor. So just figure it was the right time for me to step down. So don't misunderstand. I will try to do my term through December next year, which is my elected term, but there will be an election before the end, and that will be the time for you guys to pick a new maker. I will not be running. Thank you for your service. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right, there's going to be your next again. Thank you, Mayor. This is a gen item five pertaining to the permanent closure, the requested permanent closure of a section of hammer avenue between West Kivitt Street and linear avenue. There is a public hearing this evening on this question. And in your packets, you will have an ordinance that's been prepared by the City Attorney that I would take the necessary actions to permanently close the identified section of hammer. Should you so choose? Just to remind everyone this is the segment of hammer between Kivitz Street and linear avenue. It's highlighted in yellow on this map. On your packets, the petitioner has presented a closure survey that details the specific area that would be closed following your action here this evening. This would be ultimately reported in the public registry along with the ordinance within your packet. Briefly, talk about the procedural steps that have been followed to get us to this point here this evening. In July, the council adopted a resolution of intent that sets tonight's meeting for the time for the public hearing to consider the question. The staff has done the proper legal publications in the courier. We've also posted notice on Hammer Avenue in two places on the right of way. As required by State Law, and lastly, the intent to close was sent by Certified Mail to all adjoining owners. And so with those procedural steps complete and having been satisfactorily performed, now is the time to take public comments related to the question of a closure of the second. And now turn it over to the public at this point. All right. I will open a public hearing. I should have already opened it. And ask, I think, the petitioner is represented by council. Come on up, sir. Mr. Mayor, council, my name is Julian Robb, council for petitioner. We own the property west of Hammer. The plan is multi-family development 48 units of low income, elderly housing. This is a question of highest and best use. Rather than have a disused roadway east of the property, we'd like to actually use it for good use and maximize the units possible in the property. Mayor and I would remind the council too that there is a creek or drainage area right through the, from the northeast corner to the southwest corner on your fence so that there is a topography issue that the petitioner has to work with too. And allowing the closure of this road will give them a little bit more work with that. That's correct. Any questions? Thank you, sir. Thank you. Is the public hearing is anyone that would like to address Council on this request. Anybody that has a burning desire? My name is Matt Williams. I'm the civil engineer on this job and you guys got any questions. But like you said, the topography is an issue. The stream runs down through the middle that makes the site a little harder to develop. This will make the site a little much more cost effective to be out of develop and get rid of some of the walls and it also maintains integrity to stream with a 30-foot stream buffer on each side. If you got any more questions, I'll be glad to answer. Question. Is this the last thing that's really needed to be able to pursue the project? Yeah, we've already got the plans in assuming this past, hopefully, to get this project role that they will close soon from what I get. Thank you. I think there was others that grew up around here in the ever figure we'd sing much on that property because of that creek. This is, as the attorney said, highest and best use. We're excited about getting this underway and we made a lot of points with the public when those four houses were written. So thank you, you guys. And anyone else in the audience would like to speak to this request. All right. So we've done all of our advertising and our public hearing and all of the time for motion. Can you hear me? Mayor, I move we adopt the street closure order by Rex. I have a motion by Mr. Bale. Do I have a second? Second. Sorry. Mr. Swayers is the second. Discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Okay. Councilor, you have in front of you items on the consent agenda. Is there any item on the consent agenda that you would like to remove for individual discussion? Mayor, I just draw attention to October 6th. There is a straight closure in downtown for the Ashboro Latinac Services event. So I don't know if that's on your upcoming events, but is something we invite the public downtown for. I think it's item G. I'm going to express great closer on Sunday, October 6, 3 to 6 p.m. Okay. Any other questions or any thing that draw attention. I will entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda. Mayor, I'll move that we approve the consent agenda as presented. I have a motion by Ms. Heath. Well, I have a second. Second. Like a Mr. Birx discussion. On the favor say aye. Aye. All opposed. Consent agenda is approved. All right. Mr. Nobles back up again to the driver's level. So why, why Mr. Nuddle's coming up, Mayor, those in the audience, item 7A through 7E or our traditional land use cases. So when this can not all is acting on a legislative hearing that does not require sworn testimony. If you're going to speak on item E, 7E, that's a quasi-judicial hearing, that's case number, SUP-24-01. You'll need to be sworn Mr. Nuddle in the mayor will explain to you in the city clerk when that gets here. But this while they're beginning the process to get the documents handed out city clerk when that gets here but this one they're beginning the process to get the documents handed out so if you're here to speak. Thank you for that. Yes this is application RZ24-12 it's a request to rezone property at 841 cross street which includes property on the east side across. Fodeling just under one acre and more specifically identified by the parcel number contained in the report on the screen, the application would amend and existing B2 general commercial zoning district to continue the currently authorized use, which is a leading establishment or a restaurant, but the application is filed because the property owner intends to the city of New York City, the city of New York City, the city of New York City, the city of New York City, the city of New York City, the city of New York City, the city of New York City, the city of New York City, the city of New York City, the city of New York City, the city of New York City, the city of New York City, the city of New York City, the city of New York City, the city of New York City, the city of New York City, current conditional zoning district to an amended district to allow the improvements that are indicated on the site plan I just distributed. This has been a eating establishment for probably about 20 years or authorization has been for that use for about 20 years. If we look at the zoning map, the property and question is outlined in blue and it's the area of red in the center of orange and yellow That's denoting the commercial zoning that's currently present on the property Which is surrounded by residential zone to utilize property There's about a dozen or so adjoining property owners and involved in this application these Owners identified with the letter would have received notice of tonight's hearing. If you look at the topographic map, you'll see the presence of city water and sewer, some of which actually crosses the northern portion of the property that is, provides parking for the restaurant. See by the plan that the parking area is actually a cross cross street, there's not really room for parking on the site where the building is located, so that parking is provided on the portion of the property that's on the east or side of cross street. We have a sewer easement that is also isn't that area but should not be impacted by the project. Here's the aerial of the case, the subject parcel. We've turned analysis in the report. This is a property that isn't the city limits. It's both streets that provide access to the property or city maintained. Considered local streets, I would say, Loach Street operates more as a collector level road, as it moves traffic from Presnell Street to Martin Luther King Jr. So it's a bit of a higher level classification and at least in our mind. Again, we're here to request authorization to add out the recover dining area, as well as a walk-in cooler. And there's an outdoor grill area that showed to the rear of the existing building that is requested. There are no specifics. Seeding counts provided. There's no tables and chairs shown. I think that's still to be determined by the applicant. But we do know that the site plan provides 11 parking places that would be within the existing area of parking. That would accommodate up to 28 seats under the city's general code pertaining to a restaurant use. I won't note, and you'll see the photos, the condition of that parking area is not great. We do expect that it would take some work to bring that parking lot up to current standards. As far as any deviations that are requested here this evening, the primary deviations from the city code relate to front yard setbacks. And I'll get into that here just in a little bit. But otherwise, the plan is generally in compliance with the city's ordinance for a restaurant with 28 seats. The issue we'll talk about is the proximity of the proposed structure to the public right away. The B2 district is intended to serve convenience goods, shoppers goods, and retail service needs of the modern public. Generally, this is located along the minor third, if they're a higher classification street. But in this case, this district has been in place for many, many years. And again, this is just asking to add some improvements to the site. The planning board heard this this past Tuesday and saw a different site plan than what you all are looking at this evening. After that board review and discussion, the applicant revised the plan and presents to you a different plan from what the board saw. Now the plan would be to maintain a 15 foot setback on Loach Street and 11 foot setback on Cross Street, which is significantly greater than the plan review by the planning board. And essentially, that means that covered seating area in the front of the restaurant is reduced by a pretty good amount. This is the oblique map. You see the location of the restaurant and then the parking area, which is across street. I'll note that there previously had been some outdoor dining picnic tables that provided seating. That has since been removed. This is a picture from last month, which is an idea of the property looks like and also the area of the primary improvements that are requested here with this application. This is looking towards the parking lot. You can see there's, it is gonna require some work and the application actually indicates concrete surfacing that's proposed so we can imagine there are plans or for some upgrades to that parking area to improve it. We're looking at the property now towards Presnell Street back down Loach Street. And this is looking at the end on terminus of Cross Street from just east of the restaurant building. Now we're looking at the Presnell Loach Street intersection and looking south now on Loach Street. So this is the plan that we received today, increasing the setbacks from what the planning board saw. So I said the proposal now is to maintain 15 foot setback on load street and a 11 foot setback on cross street. Generally speaking, the B2 district requires a 25 foot front yard setback under the typical terms of the ordinance. We do recognize that this intersection in the way that right away is configured is unique. Our primary concern with this application was followed was proximity of the structure to actually the traveling, the travel lanes of the roadway. This application goes a long way to, in our view, at least, improving safety and also compatibility with the neighborhood. If you look up and down, road street and cross street, there are some buildings that are well within that 25-foot setback. So this is, we don't think this application at this point now is way out of line with what the development pattern has been. Applicant has provided us building elevations. The structural drawing on the left there is specific to this plan and what will be submitted for building permit. If you include this, if you approve this application, the one on the right is just an illustration of an example of what they hope to make this look like. As we look to the adopted city plans for some guidance, proposed land use map has had this map as a neighborhood residential use, but prior zoning action of the council has converted that to a commercial commercial use within the request. In our view, this is a property obviously that's been used commercially for more intermittent restaurant uses for many years. This new application seeks to add about 1400 square foot of covered seating area. That's down from 2000, which is 2000 square foot, which is what we originally saw in which was causing a greater encroachment into those setbacks. The property actually does have a variance for the cross street setback. That was to allow the building to be the current restaurant building to be built. This application further modifies, seeks to modify those setbacks. But we believe with the latest change to the plan, we have more comfort with the proposal now, setbacks are more consistent with the neighborhood and city policies. We believe approval will further facilitate reasonable use of the property. So I said Tuesday that's one to the planning board. The planning board recommended denial of the previous plan did suggest that the applicant revised the plan and work with staff to reduce that encroachment. The applicant has done that and the plan before he's a result of that effort. So our recommendation is to approve the request here this evening. We do have a series of conditions that we think are important to attach to any approval to ensure continuing compliance with the code. They are in the packet they've been shared with the applicant. I'll go into any detail in that you'd like, but those are pretty typical conditions attached to a request like this. I'll be happy to answer any questions or turn it over to the applicant. Yes sir? I just want to make sure we didn't have any issues regarding the notification letter. The same thing. One provided in staff that said please use this version versus the note. Another version that there's some question about that. No, the template that we provided originally for the letters that went out to you for the planning board meeting. We had we had centerise version of that template, but those corrected letters are what went out. And then the letters for this hearing this evening were sent by city staff and we can certify that those were appropriate. And we've also posted the property and advertised the case as well. Thank you. Trevor? Yes. It was employee parking, brought up. I'm sorry? I advertise the case as well. Thank you. Trevor? Yes. It was employee parking brought up. I'm sorry? Employee parking? Employee parking in our parking count. It's figured into that calculation. That one little parking lot over there is supposed to take good. I would take care of 28 seats. And there is not a separate calculation under the code to account for staff. My biggest concern is I know that people park because I've been guilty of it too. And we know the cars lined up, jumped in the curb and parking in that 15 feet. And it's not fair to the folks that are down cross street or are the folks at the loathing everything. And I don't know if we're going to create a problem. I mean, because that obviously will not look after the amount. I mean, I know it's within the, you know, the sure parking that amount won't. So they either have to do something that field to get more parking. And we did in the event the additional parking is necessary. One of the conditions that we did attached would allow them to do that without having to come back to you. So hopefully we could deal with that if we get into the scenario where there is a shortage of parking. The staff would have the authority with the conditions this evening to allow additional parking to be provided. And we have had conversations with the applicant about parking and the potential for additional parking that may be necessary and that's why that condition was added. But I do agree it's pretty tight even with 28 seats and with 11 parking spaces. Fair amount of traffic. I mean, you know, you do there. And the last thing we need is people trying to back out, back into the road, and all that's sure, and have an accident. Yeah, I'll see. We need, we need, we need, I'll say, I need your parking. Yeah. Thank you. Trevor, is there any restriction on hours of operation? There are. That is, we carried over the prior council imposed condition related to hours of operation. That presently is 6 a.m. to 9 p.m. At the planning board, the applicant indicated there would probably be less hours. That would not be open most likely for that full time. We felt it was safe to just utilize the current hours of operation that Council previously imposed, but that certainly could be something that is further explored here with the applicant. Thanks, Mr. Ophanier. Facility like that with the close proximity of residential things under the city of, again, potential problem. And this, you know, historically this has been a walk-up restaurant and then, and then, and seating was then provided through a subsequent action of the board. So there has been seating provided under these hours that are on the screen. The only difference here this evening is to allow that seating area to be covered. If you had parking, people parking along the loach there. That personal street loach is a really tough intersection. You got to be careful, people coming out of that hill. I mean, I would say we need some kind of no parking right there and Del Torre de In there, because I mean, if it would be blocking, I'm just gonna say it. Well, absolutely. And council would have the ability to deal with that. If we do find parking occurring on low trees that is problematic or unsafe. The council by ordinance could take action to further regulate that use. Thank you. Mr. Minnz, would you like to speak? What do you think, everybody? Hey, I'm Jackie Munoz. This is my dad. I'm here to just kind of speak for him and answer some questions. That location has been vacant for, since we moved over to sunset which we were very blessed that it went really well to have to go local there and be able to move downtown We previously had tables that were people to sit outside and He's he's planning on adding more parking to that like making it nicer and having more parking there and Originally his plan was to to just to go orders, but because we know that there's, it's a morning thing that we're kind of planning to for it to just be from like 6 a.m. to possibly 6 p.m. mostly in the daytime. And we were thinking about people who do work in the mornings, I need somewhere to sit in E, and that was the plan for that. More like a gaze people type of thing. Yeah, what are, I'll let me see. You know what we do? The other way she said, it's a place for to go. You know, they put this seed for people. You know sometimes in a bright time, some people not going to like it, people working in the constructions. Not necessarily. We do something for a picnic type of society. for the people, you know, we have a restroom sub-side, we have everything. We're going to make a nice place for people to eat in there. Questions? You're amenable to the, you okay with the conditions that the staff has gone through and required subject to this. We should approve it. And it would be something that we would love to have in that community because like when we were previously there and when we left we've had a lot of people tell us like we miss like having something here. So we were very blessed in that community and very welcome. So that's why we decided to just have another now that we have talked a local fully staff that take the time to grow that one again. I asked you, you mentioned that you were going to do from 6 to 6. Was that saying that you would not go beyond 6 p.m. or that that was just going to be your primary? That's what we're speaking right now. Yeah. It won't be to sell out before, you know, it's going to be just to go and it'll be limited. It'll be grilled chicken and side to go. So the goal is to sell out and have to close earlier than we originally planned, but yeah, the goal is to open early and close earlier. So you load the smoke, cook it, smoke it, whatever, and then when it's gone, it goes up. Yeah. It's a good business with mommy. And we've tested the chicken out in downtown and it fell down every time. Oh, check it out. So that's what the plan is. So you're not looking to use the gazebo that you mentioned as a canteen type of operation like you've got downtown. No, it's just where you can eat your food there, but we're not doing any way interesting, any waiting, like it'll just be for someone for them to sit down and eat if needed. Okay. Thank you. Just ask you this and I'll get it on the record that you're not playing me. Use this. That is an attractive type because they both you build in there. You're not playing the use after hours for gatherings, or social events, or wedding receipts, and type of things. Now we want to try, but that's her. We want to make it one shift only. All in the morning, and we and around two or three at night, everybody go. Once you have to do rest or anything more, right? No. All right. Any other questions? All right. Thank you very much. Is anyone else in the audience have a life to address this request? Katie, okay? All right. I've talked with you. I don't know. We're a files tonight. Third time's a charm. I noticed that this restaurant was a little bit different. I was a little bit different. I was a little bit different. I was a little bit different. I long days cause of blood. We have a lot more to action. I notice that this restaurant is prospectively being near a residential area and during the summer I did a project on food insecurity in Randolph County and I notice that there are many food deserts and lack of valuable resources and communities that are residential, that are apartments stacked on each other, that they are just concrete deserts that have no access to food. So I definitely think a restaurant directly beside this neighborhood, even though that street is extremely active, is better than teens or other people just walking the streets looking for a convenience store or a gas station to get their breakfast lunch and dinner. I think an establishment that is family-owned and oriented, that welcomes sitting outside and has a residential place to sit that is safe and is well maintained and kept would be extremely beneficial to the community near that establishment. And it is an amazing plan, especially to implement it after it has been extremely successful downtown to bring it back to the people that need it most. Family owned restaurant for the families of that residential area. Well said. Thank you. And it's your bitch hot dogs. You know, originally it was hot dogs stand, a walk of hot dogs stand. You don't remember that. P's older and I felt it. Mmm. Pardon? Oh, they were good hot dogs, but smoke chicken instead of going to be. All right. Anyone else that would like to speak? Okay. We'll move to the delivery phase and all of us counsel for their thoughts. Mayor based on the consistency statement approved, recommended by staff or move, they were approved the rezoning request and consistency statement, subject to the conditions that are acceptable, proposed by staff and acceptable to the applicant. So have a second. Second. Second, Mr. Berks. Motion by Mr. Cabell. Discussion. I just think it's, I have a business there. It'd be much better in the building. You're sitting there to cheer right through for years. It was a little bit. Thank you about that. What's that? We're just voting on what's sitting in front of us tonight, right? I mean, just this one lot. There's no requirement in there for additional parking across the street because I can see this being a problem with that's all the parking. It includes, I can see Miss Nuggett driving it and blocked and I can see other folks down there having to dodge cars and everything because they'll be parking on that side of the street. And that's not enough to service. Well, it is great food. I mean, I'm in favor of doing it, but I'm concerned about the parking and the traffic. So if the application is approved as presented, what we would look for prior to allowing occupancy or operation would be 11 parking spaces that are in compliance with the city ordinance and no more than 28 seats in the restaurant or outside. And so that is what we would hold. In other words, yeah, that would be a boat park. Thank you. Thanks to the parking and I think both against this and come back with parking. If, yeah, parking is viewed as inadequate, then that would be the way to vote. I want to go and land it on the fly here. It is a single tax pin and so it does include both areas of the property just blip by the cross street right away. So it does include a requirement for those 11 parking spaces. If it's 11 there. There's 11, yeah. Okay. Well, I parked in there one time, and thought I was going to disappear. I mean, so an improvement to that parking will have to be welcome. Any other discussion, questions? I just think it's done at Parking. I'm worried about safety in that area, in the road parking, and that stuff. So I'd rather see it come back with an expanded parking lot. That's just my two cents. Where could it put it? They got more room on that lane. Oh, that lane goes farther down the hill. Eleven spaces. They said they were talking about doing it, but we're not requiring to do it. So, and I'm not trying to cost of money. I mean, I don't think it's a great opportunity and I appreciate what everybody said, but I don't think it's fair to the residents around there. And I don't think it's, you know, ought to make because we're going to have traffic issues over there. You know, if you've got traffic here and people going down the road street and all that type stuff, I just, I just think it needs to be more traffic to accommodate because you got employees and you got 28, 28 people. a lunch before when it's, you know, they're manful and self-related. Or self with that. I mean, I love to see it go in there, but I personally think they need to show us a little bit of mental parking. That's just my two cents. But Trevor, did you say if there ends up being issues down the road, it could come back to council and we could require? The, what the condition would allow is for additional parking to be provided without having to come back to council Typically once you all see a site plan and you see 11 parking spaces the code generally doesn't allow increase expanded parking area to be provided Without you seeing it. In anticipation of Mr. Trogner's mentioning, we have included a condition that would allow the applicant to provide that additional parking if necessary to, without, and to just work administratively with staff to do so. But it's an allowance. It's not, it's, it wouldn't be a requirement to do so. Would it need to be paid for gravel? It would have to, the expanded area as long as they don't exceed 28 seats could be gravel. Yeah, we're not at tremendous cost. As long as they've got that thing. And what could do to parking on each street and or loads? If, I think if the council finds that there is on street parking that's occurring as problematic that you could deal with that by ordinance and that could very well lead to a situation where there has to be some additional parking provided in this parking lot. Okay, so that's what I was asking if it is a being an issue we've got a bill to take action. There's a, we feel there's a mechanism to deal with it. It would require collective work with the, with the property owner to, to manage that. So we do, we do, that we don't have the ability to make them expand that if we got problems to trap. You don't have direct ability to make them do it, what you have the ability to do would be to regulate how a large and cross street parking occurs. And if you were to, if there is prohibition of parking on those streets, then there would be no other place to park, but to expand the parking lot. I'll be back up. Did I hear you say or somebody said that parking would be paid. I think the plan actually, if I'm not mistaken, I think it references concrete. So, and all the property owners got letters about all the property owners that are joining property owners. Either he's there for years off and all. And so, they, people in that area know kind of what is going to be like. I was saying right. So, they nobody showed going to be wrong. I would have seen right. So they know what he showed up to. OK. Yes, those notices went out. And we did feel some phone calls, characterizing as inquiries into what the application is for. And there is more land down the hill. It does start to fall off as you go as it goes eastward. So that's there is more like. All they could put in there without doing the major. It would take it would take some work. I feel potentially. Yeah, we haven't looked at that in great detail, but. I'm not sure if we can get a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a I don't know if there's a prohibition currently on on low street by order. That's what we're looking at. They can line up. We can line up by that. We all the way down that right now. In the absence of a current prohibition, yes, sir. And you couldn't do a prohibition of parking on low truck cross. If it's not already there by this action, you would have to adopt a separate ordinance to deal with that. I don't see any no parking signs in the vicinity. Typically there is a regulation from the intersection for a certain amount of distance that is generally accepted as no parking. But in the absence of an existing ordinance, it would require a separate action to address that matter. Because I know I'm parking a lot. If I can instead of crossing the street, that's just everybody parked by the front door. Certainly. I think the roadway width, most likely on the road street is adequate to allow. One side, one side on street parking. Cross would, I don't believe that that would be sufficient for To manage on street parking but Very luxury go on We got a motion in a second Go ahead and vote on favor of approving the motion With the site plan As presented Say hi with the site plan as presented. Say aye. Aye. All opposed? Aye. Thank you, Mayor. What it helped Mr. Trog then, if the engineering department went out there and sketched some on-screen parking and we had some spaces marked and that kind of thing. I think that would be good. To report back to the council. Right. The council has the whole. That sounds okay to you guys. Yeah. I'd be great, Kate. We need to be able to manage more parking than shown on that plan. Yeah, I mean, I don't think park on loads and end behind that pick up something. Mr. Winter and his tank and the lower back in October. I'm out of stock. If we put on street parking and it was hours. Right. So it went that, you know, that kind of thing and we could make sure that they weren't part in Mr. Exactly. Mr. That's a good job. Right. And that kind of thing. Even though that's where I thought. I'm concerned. Now we just voted to approve your request. I am concerned about after hours of foot training using especially in the event of flag weather using your, because they both in your picnic tables for were placed to hang out. So you'll have to be very diligent about that and possibly, I suppose, to patrol it and post no trespassing after six or whatever, because I'd tell you with the foot traffic, sooner or later they're gonna find those picnic tables and they're gonna sit under that chair and bring their own beer. So please understand that service is available to you. You simply talk to chief Browns in the back, and you can talk to the folks at the police department and they can help you, but there are certain steps you must do along the way to, so as private property, we have to be, so, as you plan for your shifts and all that, you may wanna get Chief Brown or the membership police department to assist you in plan for that and how you do that. And we'd be glad to put out that service for you. I'm a patroling just looking by on it because anybody out there after hours don't run Okay. Sorry, that took so long. Item 7C is Tason Number RZ 24-15. The Quran item B, Mayor. The item B, I believe. Did I skip B? Yeah. Yes. We've given you a wrong agenda before. I'm just going to make sure that I'm adding in. Oh, it's a layer. I've got big box office. Please. Yes, item 7B. All right. RZ24-14, that's the question to Resonon property 308.5VU and Quaker Drive. Thank you, Mayor. I'm sure. This is an application to Reson property to a general district. So there is no site plan provided with this application. If the district is approved, any use permitted within the R7.5 district would be permitted, provided it applies with the city code. We're looking at 308 Pine D street and a southern portion of 307A, 307B Quaker Drive. So there are two pins involved. It's the entirety of one parcel and a portion of another parcel. And essentially, the property owner is looking to recombine the property in a manner that should you approve in our 7.5 district here this evening. It would have, both properties would have sufficient land area that would allow both single family or two family or a duplex unit to be constructed. Right now we have one of the pins is undeveloped and then we do have a duplex on the portion of the second pin. We're looking at the property outlined and read on this map. It's in the center of the existing residential neighborhood on both sides of Pine View Street. About again, about a dozen adjoining property owners who received notice of the hearing this evening. At this point, say we have posted the property, we have run the advertisements and done all the proper legal notices for this application. We do provide city services to the property. We have utilities in both Pine View and Quaker, so utilities are available to the property. Ariel Map. There. Real quick, don't throw the analysis. It's in city limits. Pine View is a state maintained minor third affair. We've been talking about widening plans for Pineview Street for quite a while now, that latest is possibly next year. We'll see that work get underway. The parcel identification that ends in 60 or 27 is currently zone to R10 and is non-conforming lot because it's just shy of the R10 minimum lots I've standard of 10,000 square feet. In R10 district, like I said, typically requires that 10,000 square feet for single family dwelling in 15,000 square feet to be eligible for a duplex. The ordinance does allow a single payment dwelling on the existing non-performing lot, if it can meet other requirements. The lot is also legal non-performing due to not having the required lot with that typically is required in the districts. Under analysis four, we provide the intent of both the R10 and R7.5 district, we point out in number five that within 500 feet of the property and on the opposite side of Pineview Street, there is R7.5 zoning that includes a multi two, I'm sorry, a two family dwelling and a multi family use and a point to nine acre parcel with three manufactured homes. So we do have a mixture of housing types occurring in this neighborhood. She consists primarily two family dwellings with some single family dwelling. This is the property as it would be reconfigured. Should you approve the RS 7.5 district tonight, it would take some of the R7.5 district tonight would take some of the parts, some of the lot area from the northern most property and combine it with the land to the south to increase the lot size. This is the survey that was presented that gives us the legal description necessary to know exactly where those boundaries will be. Should you approve the application? We're looking at the subject property from Pineview in that photo. Again, different vantage point here. This is looking east on Pineview Street. You can see two family dwellings in the vicinity there and looking west on Pineview Street. It's gone around now to Quaker Drive looking at the subject property would be the rear portion of this property that would likely have land area removed and combined with the property running on 5D Street. This is if you look in Easton, Quaker Drive at the residential uses and then looking west. We look at the plan for guidance. This is a neighborhood residential land use recommendation. R7.5 is generally consistent with that. We're in the northeast small area plan and a primary growth area. Staff's analysis of the application is that there are six schools and policy generally favorable towards a close. One, that is not as favorable. Overall, the legal non-conforming status of pin ending in 60 or 27 and the presence of R7.5 zoning both east and west of the land does support the application. We believe it's reasonable and in the public interest to eliminate the nonconforming situation. When we can do so in a manner that is compatible with adjacent land uses, which we believe that would be in this case and consistent with the land development plan. There is some value in expanding housing opportunities within a stable residential neighborhood that is in close proximity to employers, because it can be beneficial to both residents and industry alike. Considering that our analysis, we believe the proposed zoning is reasonable in the public's interest. This was reviewed by the planning board at its August Board meeting. It comes to you with the favorable recommendation as they concurred with the staff analysis. I'll be happy to answer any questions or turn it over to the applicant. Trevor, my look in the tenant line is practically every surrounding. The surrounding area there is a duplex. Yes, sir. Those thoughts are just a little bigger and supporting those duplexes in the R10 because of their lot size. The questions are Mr. Null. All right, applicant here. Apple cut here Hello, Mr. Lucas. Hello mayor and council members. How was everybody? It was still the pan My name is Brian Lucas on I'm here to answer any questions. And like Walker said, every parcel that touches this parcel has a duplex on it. So I'm kind of like, do I want to build a single family home amongst all the duplexes? That's all the PL. Not many left on the straighter there. It's not much left up there, but new places. Questions? Thanks, sir. Thank you. Thanks, everybody. Anybody else like to address council and this request? All right. I'll entertain a motion. Councilor News Recruist. All right. I'll entertain a motion. Mayor based on the consistency statement, I will make the motion that we approve this review and the request is presented. I will motion by Ms. Heath. Do I have a second? Second, Mr. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. These. Okay. All right. I am 7C. I think this one is. RZ 24-15 application to Arizona property located at 343 North Carolina Highway 42. Thank you Mayor. We request to again amend an existing conditional zoning commercial district. This application is filed by the rather one, CA4, improvements that proposes to make property filed by executive director, Patrick O'Hara. We're looking at a single, parcel number here, just under 28 years in the size. Technically, it's defined as a membership organization under the terms of the city code. Everybody's familiar with the location. Looking at it on a zoning map, this is at the western edge of the commercial cord or along Dixie Drive. So as you move west and abutting this property, there are some single family residential uses to be aware of. This is the listing of adjacent property owners who received a notification pertaining to tonight's public hearing. So, to the graphic map, giving you the idea of the lay of the land and also our location of city utilities. We'll note that we do have both a force main and a public water line that does enter the property. This area, the area of the improvements, as you see on the site plan, are in the southwestern portion of the property. We don't believe that they will be impacted, are utilities will be impacted by the project. Scenario map showing how the property is developed and the adjacent development patterns. Moving to the analysis, again, property inside the city limits. 42 North is state maintained, major thoroughfare. Again, we've been talking about roadway improvements to this highway for a while as well. Again, here in 2025, start seeing more work related to that project. That widening will add a center turn lane, as well as new storm drainage. And importantly, it will add sidewalks on both sides of 42. The property owner, again, the YMCA proposes to replace and exist in ballfield with an indoor soccer building, and also to add additional parking to support the new amenities. There is also a potential future outdoor pool that is shown on this plan. We frequently, as we talk with property owners about conditional zoning districts, uses as an opportunity to think about master planning for the facility. And in this case, the Y has indicated the potential for a future outdoor pool to be built at some point in the future. So there are several different contemplated improvements that are identified on the plan. We did route this plan to NCDOT for review and comment, even others in existing driveway anytime. There's a potential to add volume by expanding operations or adding square footage to a property. That's typically our process. We did not hear any concerns raised by NC DOT. I think everyone knows that this property has been used since the early 70s. The definition of the membership organization is contained within number five of our analysis. We did get an updated, we've seen a series of updates to this plan, essentially clarifying the improvements that are proposed. We feel good about the plan that's in front of you now. It has answered a lot of questions that we had initially and that the planning board had conversations about. So the plan before you is a good illustration of what is being contemplated and would potentially be built with your approval here this evening. But use this oblique map to show you the area of the improvements and again, it's in the far southwest portion of the property where additional parking would be provided that new indoor soccer or multi-purpose athletic building would be built, as well as the potential outdoor pool all behind the existing wide building. And so on this side plane here, those are the area of the property that we're really looking at. And on the site plan, on the screen, attempted to just add circles around the things to really note as far as where additional parking would be provided. How much additional parking would be provided? The staff has been really mindful of making sure we are providing good buffering for those adjacent residential uses to the west there. So the applicant and the designer has provided details on a landscaping buffer to be maintained along that property line. And so that is something that I did want to point out there. Other locations, especially against the southern property line, against the commercial property, it would be a retention of existing vegetation, largely that will remain. We do have a typical building elevation that the applicant has provided us. It's important to note that this is not anticipated to be visible for Highway 42. Generally speaking, our commercial B2 standards don't allow metal construction that is oriented towards the public street. It does generally require some sort of treatment for public facing facades. This is an instance where we don't believe the building's going to be visible. And there's not necessarily a benefit of having that design standard in place. I've got a series of photos here. This is looking at the property from Highway 42, another vantage point. We're now looking north on 42 and then back towards Dixie Drive. This is an interior photo looking where the near where the proposed building would be constructed. So we look at the cities, adopted goals and policies for guidance on this. We believe there's five generally supportive of the request. One pertaining to some steeper slopes on the property that comes out a little more negative. But overall, it's a property that has been commercially zoned and used for decades. The applicant seeks to improve an area of the property that was initially designed for outdoor use and convert that to indoor recreational use with the new building. We feel that that change can offer increased compatibility to adjacent homes in terms of reduced noise and with additional buffering and screening. And as we get information on lighting that may be installed on the property, we think it can remain compatible with the adjacent neighborhood. So for those reasons, staff recommends approval of this request, a year this evening. Likewise, the planning board heard this in August and forwarded a favorable recommendation to you all as well. I'll be happy to answer any questions or turn it over to the applicant. Mr. Mayor, before we get into deliberations, Mr. Swerves has been kind enough to let us know he does serve on the executive committee so that we appropriate to entertain a motion to recuse him. I'll entertain a motion to recuse Mr. Swerves for this one discussion. So, we have a motion by Mr. Burke. I have a second. Second. Second, Mr. Burke. I have a second. Second. Second, Ms. Heath. All the favor say aye. Aye. All opposed. Motion carries. You don't need to move. You can sit right there. Thanks, sir. I'll keep it on. I'll keep him out, sir. I'll keep him out. I can grammar so smile. I'll keep him out, sir. OK. Okay, let's go. Here you speak. My name is Patrick. I am the executive director of the Randolph-Ashboro YMCA. And how we came about with this facility is that I just want to let you know with the ZZD sports complex. You know, I remember when John and David came to me eight, nine years ago and said, hey, let's get this thing going so we can help with the city of Ashboro and Randolph County with revenue and everything. But the number one thing was to help our citizens or the people of Ashboro and Randolph County. I am proud to say in our recreation league we have 702 kids. Young men, young women, teenagers signed up for our recreation soccer, 702. In our challenge league, which the YMCA took over three years ago, we went from three teams to 15 teams. We have 225 teams to 15 teams. We have 225 kids and challenge soccer. So guys, you're looking at 927 children, families, grandparents, siblings that come out to the Zucy sports complex and watch these kids play soccer. But also, they practice at the YMCA. I think that is a great, great thing, testament to what we do here in Asheville. I'm also proud to say that some kids who are going to other places in our challenge soccer, going to Greensboro High Point, wants to're able to play, they're coming back. They're coming back to ask for a play. Right now, our high school teams are very strong. Just imagine how stronger they're gonna be in the next couple of years. We will get that state title at some time. So with soccer being such a big sporting event here, we decided as a staff, Joe Tork and Branson O'Hare came to me with this proposal, a thousand great proposal, took it to the executive committee and this building, which will, you see pictures that will hold indoor soccer, the whole two games going on at one time. I forgot to mention our adult men's soccer league, which is at the sports complex. And two of your police departments have teams in our league. And let me tell you something, it's the first time we've never had any problems with our adult soccer. So that's nice. So the first couple pictures you're going to see is where we plan on putting out there at the ball fields. Guys, this is just going to help our afterschool program. Our kids have nowhere to go, summer camp and after this is going to help our after school program. Our kids have nowhere to go, summer camp and after school have nowhere to go really when it rains. This is going to give them another opportunity. Our seniors, our craft seniors have grown so much. Bingo, we're averaging 55 people coming to Bingo a week. We plan on putting Bingo out here. The different problems, so it is going to be more than just soccer. But this is definitely, this is going to benefit the community, and that's what it's all about. But all I've got to say. What time frame do you anticipate being able to have this in place and ready to go? Well, if we get approved and everything and travel, let's me start building and everything, I hope to have this thing open up January 1st. January 1st, so that we can start running, start doing utilizing. So you've had your fundraising campaign in your leadership drive and all that. Everything's paid for it. Well, I have to go to Charlie once in a while. I was at the envelope I've gotten to mail. Yeah, that was not close. Yes, I don't know if it's going to benefit the wine. And the outdoor pool, Mr. Swearer's looked right at me, and he saw that. Guys, I've been here 29 years, and that's the one thing, and I always told my board that I was going to do before I left. I added that just in case, you know, the mayor wanted to give me $4 million. So that's why I put it down. I got a bank account. I'm quit. I'm quit. I'm quit. I'm quit. I'm quit. I'm quit. I'm quit. I'm quit. I'm quit. I'm quit. I'm quit. I'm quit. I'm quit. I'm quit. But that is why we're doing it and we're very, we're looking forward to it. We've done a good job out there and it's impressive to have that size wide and the programming that you have in our community. Thank you to you, couple men. What we've been spending all our money on. So, you know, we're in great shape, and I think this is a pretty cool thing. Next year, if I have found them, I built a place to build indoor pickleball. Well, the younger Mr. Orher thinks that we'd start putting that on our soccer fields. Indoor pickleball and outdoor pickleball. Just as we all know that. The echo is the town of Leeland. Yeah. And they're well-maintained. They built a huge building, built it full of pickleball. And I think we were told that every minute of every possible day of playtime was booked. There were people waiting. They went outside and built about that many more built outside. I know four YMCA's in the last two years that have either like high point associations to get ready to close down their splash pad and put pick-a-ball courts out there. Rowan County just built 20 outdoor pick-a-ball courts. So it's out there, it's coming. So we're not too far behind. We already know that we're building up. And you guys have, yeah, yeah, I have somebody telling me that last night. All right. Well, I didn't mean to change subject. I think you got a good plan here. But thank you. Questions of Mr. O'Hara. I do want to say something. You have been here for 29 years. You have been my mayor. I am sad to hear that you're retiring. I want to thank you for everything you've done for being a friend. And for everything you've done for being a friend and for everything you've done for this city. So I wanted to thank you personally. Okay. Mr. No, are you okay with the proposed conditions proposed by staff? Yes. Thank you. Thanks. Okay. Anyone else that needs speak to Council about this request. Here none, I'll ask Council for their thoughts on this matter. Mayor, I move we approve the request subject to proposed conditions. Both must happen, except we'll be out. And the consistency. I will now ask you that. I'll ask you, Mayor Mr. Bell. Do I have a second. Second. Second Mr. Burk's discussion. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed. Opposing carries. Good luck. Be nice to get that started and get it out of the ground. And we'll call it to see him. All right. I will open a legislative here in the case of RZ24-16. There's an application through his own property located at 801-8710 Sunset Avenue approximately 1.5284. That's the amount. Thank you Mayor. This application is a conditional zoning filing. It's made by Nash Dugins, the property owner also has signed onto this application as required for a conditional zoning district request. I will say we have properly advertised this hearing this evening and sent the a request to change the zoning from OAS6 and a conditionals of the Pantile District to a conditionals zoning OAS6 District for the purpose of multi-family development. There's one parcel number with this application, 1.52 acres in size. Previously, we had a church on the property and you saw an application to convert that. To convert the property for banquet facility use specifically for the 817 sunset avenue a few years ago. That was never that never materialized. So the application this evening is to amend what's approved on the property. See the two colors that are on the property bounded by blue there that is because we've got those two zoning districts presently on the property. If it's approved to this evening it would take all the property to to that light blue and a conditional zoning OA6 district. So, Matt Schoen, who was considered a joining owners on this application here, all of these land owners receive notification from the city pertaining to the public hearing this evening. Jumping into the analysis, again, we're looking at property that's in the city limits, sunset avenue, end-south cherry street, and this location into the analysis. Again, we're looking at property that's in the city limits. Sunset Avenue, NSW Cherry Street, and this location are both state-maintained minor thoroughfares. I note that the property is located within tier three of the center city planning area. As you know, we have three tiers of downtown overlay zoning in place. This is the third tier of the center city planning area. It essentially has heightened development and design standards to support and complement what is unique about the downtown area for new development. And so this is within that area. The site plan that I've handed out this evening identifies one three story building with a total of 52 units. There are 14 one bedroom units and 38 two bedroom apartments proposed. The center city planning area building setback provisions typically would be requiring a minimum 25 foot setback from sunset avenue and a 20 foot setback from South Cherry Street. In our conversations with the applicant and in order to maximize buffering for adjacent residential properties and to make the parking area for these apartments less visible from street vantage points, the staff has generally been supportive of reducing that typical 25-foot setback to 20-foot, and that's the plan, and that's the request that's here this evening. We did see a site plan that had proposed 15-foot setbacks for both sunset and cherry, and the staff was not supportive of that application, and that specific plan. And so the plan was revised to show the proposed building at 20 feet on both sunset and cherry. In the center city planning area, development intensity is regulated not by dwelling units per acre or floor air ratio, but rather it's regulated by permissible built upon area generally and generally maximum building height. Those are how we regulate intensity in the downtown area. We're looking at built upon area, we're looking at overall height. In terms of built upon area, the Board of Adjustment granted a variance to allow additional built upon area of up to 56.8% when the bankwood center use was proposed. Presently, we have an existing built upon area that covers 51, just under 52% of the site. The latest plan shows a proposed built upon area of just over 76%. There's a slight increase from an earlier version of the plan that we reviewed. We do note that with that additional built upon area, there is underground storm water control device that is proposed to mitigate 10 year storm runoff that would be resulting from the new built upon area proposed on the site. We do provide an analysis number six what the density is on the project, even though that's not necessarily regulated by code, but the density is 34.2 dwellings per acre in comparison, sunset place apartments, which as you know is adjacent to the development is at 24.3 dwelling units and acre. What we're seeing with this proposal is a density that is more similar to the church street lofts here right downtown, which is within the tier one of the downtown center city planning area, which is commonly known as the central business district. On the site plan, there are 83 off street parking spaces that are proposed to serve the 52 units. These ordinance requirement for parking, for a traditional multi-family development, such as this, based on the number and composition of the units shown, generally would require 107 parking spaces. This calculation includes notches these spaces for residents, but also 10 visitor spaces that these zoning ordinance would require. The 83 parking spaces identified on the site plan, just in comparison, could support, just as an illustration, 37 to bedroom units or 51 bedroom units. That would be what the code generally would allow in terms of a unit composition here density with those 83 spaces. The parking that is proposed however we do acknowledge is comparable to the parking that is provided for sunset place apartments. That project has 76 off street parking spaces. There are at least 12 probably probably a little more available parking on Memorial Street that is not dedicated to that project but is available to serve those residents. That development was approved by the city as what's known as a whole block redevelopment project. It's specifically that development was built as an affordable housing complex. The developer on that project did provide the city with an opinion from a licensed design professional that the parking proposed would be sufficient to accommodate the needs of the tenants. That's because they were also facing a bit of a parking shortage to make that project work. The letter from their design professional was provided. In this application in the near packets, you have a similar opinion that's been provided by Summary Engineering indicating that the amount of parking proposed with this project likewise is adequate. And Mr. Summary's opinion to serve the project and also is said to be consistent with the requirements of many major cities throughout North Carolina. Pointing to other development features on the plan, there is indoor and outdoor recreational elements included. There's a 20 foot street planning yard. We have a five foot screening yard against commercial property to the west, and there is a six and a half foot screening yard along adjacent residential properties to the south. There are interior sidewalks provided. Also new sidewalk construction that the staff recommended along South Cherry Street to be incorporated into the project. Solid waste enclosure, which is now large enough for two dumpsters is shown. Initially that was, there was less, I think it was a single dumpster that was proposed. Our environmental services folks recommended that two dumpsters be provided and the applicant did it to provide those two dumpsters. The other materials I handed to you were renderings provided by the applicant that includes elevations that indicate building materials to be used which are brick and I'm not going to say that word, but kind of a hardy board type product. Initially, there was questions over whether the project would include balconies. And at the planning board meeting this past Tuesday, the applicant definitively said, and the renderings do support that there will be no balconies provided with the projects. So I do want to make that clear and tonight's hearing. As you know, conditional zoning does allow an applicant to propose what is a specific zoning district for the property that may diverge from the city's predetermined land use requirements. We've identified what those deviations are with this application. The first relates to those building setbacks that I've already covered and is further explained in analysis number four. The post built upon area which is described in number five, the off street parking provisions discussed in seven. We do expect that there will be mechanical equipment that has to be located within that front yard setback area. Generally speaking, that's not something that we would allow. There's probably not a whole lot of options for the number of units that will need to be provided here. So we expect there to be mechanical equipment. We do have a condition to require that to be appropriately screened from Street View. And while there is no designating green area for recreational vehicles provided, that is something typically the code is looking for. The applicant has included a condition to prohibit the parking of such vehicles. And therefore that is pretty common with folks who aren't providing that element or voluntarily restricting it. And so that's been done here. The last deviation is related to the height. And as we have the building height here with the pitch roof, it's about three and a half feet taller than the 35 foot height allowance that the district generally allows. And that's due to the use of a pitch grief in this with this building. Lastly, the site plan was routed to DOT Asheville City Schools Postal Service. DOT didn't indicate the need for a drive-up permit, not surprisingly. I wanted to ensure that the building was not impeding site distance, but the plan otherwise appears to be consistent with their requirements and they don't expect roadway improvements to be necessary. This is just a map showing its inclusion, the properties inclusion in that tier three of the center city planning area as you get south of Louis Street, the property no longer within what's considered the fringe of the downtown area. This is just on the edge of that area. Topographic utilities map we've included showing you how utilities would be provided to the project and an aerial map here. There's a bleak map giving you a more up-to-date vantage point of the development pattern in the area. A series of pictures here looking at the property from Sunset Avenue. Now we're at Sunset and Cherry. On down South Cherry Street. So looking west on Sunset Avenue back towards the interstate. You can see Sunset Place to the left here. This is a view looking east on sunset avenue. Now looking across sunset, north on South Cherry Street. And now we've turned around looking south on South Cherry Street. We did go around and give you a photo of the adjoining Lewis Street because this does back up to those houses on the north side of Lewis Street and that's looking west down Lewis. The planning board has, had spent two meetings talking about and reviewing plans for this project. They did so in August, had a lot of discussion about the plan presented at that time. They continued the case, subsequent to that continuance, the applicant revised the plan, and we brought that back to the Planning Board this past Tuesday. We noted for the board what had changed in the time between the first and the second meeting, and those relate to setbacks that were increased from 15 to 20 feet. The number of one bedroom units was increased from 12 to 14. By decreasing the number of two bedroom units from 40 to 38, that helped a little bit with the parking deficiency. So they required parking decreased from 108 to 107. And the number of spaces provided they managed to increase the number of spaces from 80 to 83. So they continued to work with us to try to maximize the amount of parking that could be provided to the project. At our suggestion, they also did incorporate bike racks to the project. That is something that a lot of jurisdictions give developers credit for and can reduce the amount of Austrian parking typically required if those bike rides are provided. The city of Ashbrows code does not do that, but we felt it was something that could be done in an effort to try to address that parking question. The impervious coverage did increase slightly from 72 to 76%. We did get a second dumpster added. Because of the setbacks from sunset avenue in particular, we're increased from 15 to 20 feet, that ended up reducing the screen width on the southern side of the property from what had been 10 feet to 6 and a half feet. There is still fencing and landscaping still proposed to be provided within that area. It's just the horizontal dimension of that screen has been decreased. As I said, conceptual drawings were included. You've been provided these giving an idea of the look of the building. As we turn to the adopted goals and policies for Goddard's on this, generally we felt that there are several goals that support this request. There were really only two that we felt were negative, but we felt that one in particular was particularly negative towards a request, and that was regarding the infrastructure adequacy, particularly the availability of off street parking and the lack of any on street parking reasonably close to the to the project to provide some additional capacity. As we prepared our consistency statement and recommendation, we noted that this area, this area of the city has been zoned for office, higher density residential uses for many years. That's what we have here. The center city planning area zoning provisions, which have been in place for about 20 years now, lend support to greater residential densities since those rules, manage land development based on built upon area and building height rather than building square footage. We note with higher density projects, it's vital to ensure that land development occurs in a manner that promotes and supports community goals. Design should complement existing development, provide elements to ensure the health and safety of all residents, architecture, stormwater management, landscaping, vehicular pedestrian access, sight amenities, all of those things that are really important to consider in a project. Those are considerations that have happened with this application. Proposal promotes many adopted city policies, the redevelopment and investment in underutilized properties is something advocated by the plan. Site design that considers walkability and how the project is going to be seen from the public street is something advocated by the plan, mitigation of stormwater impacts. Those are all objectives that if you look throughout the land development plan, you're going to see Len support to this project. We also acknowledge that the applicant has made meaningful changes to the plan to address setback concerns and our solid waste disposal capacity concerns. But ultimately, the staff leaves that the project is just more dense than the city's plans, or the property can support. And for that reason, our recommendation is to deny the application is even finding that to be in the public's interest. At Tuesday's planning board meeting, after hearing additional information from both staff and the applicant, the board voted unanimously to recommend approval of this application. The board reasoned that they placed more weight on those goals and policies that staff pointed out that were supportive of the request and did not give as much weight to the infrastructure adequacy goal that the staff felt was important to consider prominently in the review. And so for that reason, the board did recommend approval of this application as presented. We do have a series of conditions that are proposed with the projects should you approve it as presented. Those have been published and provided. Just again, I'll point out, we further the prohibition of outdoor recreational vehicle parking on the property by condition. There were two suggestions that came out of Tuesday's meeting pertaining to project conditions that the board felt was important, and therefore we incorporated them into our list of conditions. The first is that the dumpster enclosure in order to best mitigate noise from pickups of that shall be essentially double walled, adding thickness to that enclosure to help with sound control. The second condition that the board recommended and has been incorporated into our report and list of conditions is that the developer show institute a system for assigning parking to residents to ensure the safe and orderly use and management of parking spaces. So there was conversation Tuesday evening about assigned parking and how parking can be managed by the property owner to address parking concerns. What we proposed is should it be approved that the developer work with staff on that system and how that system is developed and implemented to best ensure the adequacy of parking. And so with those additional conditions, the board recommended approval of the application. Yes, sir. I don't have a ill. I may, I think yours may skip a letter if I'm not mistaken. But yes, it's ill on the screen and your report I think we got off with the left. The applicant has the ill. The screen has that ill, yes sir. And now for getting to the whereabouts ill. I've talked to the applicant about the ill. He'll have to comment on the acceptance of that or not. I just want to make sure by the tour. I heard the same thing you've heard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Questions? Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, sir. All right. First person to speak, the applicant. Come on up. Good evening. My name is Nash Duggins. I don't know if I can talk and write at the same time so I'm all right right quick. Mr. Mayor, Council, I appreciate your time to look at this application. Trevor does a great job presenting this. I don't know how much better I could do with that. I guess probably the main thing I could do is answer questions and address many issues that we've discussed. These discuss, our goal is to provide some housing. Obviously, there's some housing shortage in Randolph County and City of Ashboro, and we're hoping to help with that. Obviously, we would benefit as well building it, but that's the goal you know provide some quality housing for the city of Ashboro You know within walking distance of downtown You know, I don't know of a new market rate deal that is near downtown maybe wrong some older stuff Most of what has happened in around downtown has been tax credit you type stuff. And so not your conventional market rate deals. And so that's the main concept, main idea. And so the main issue, as you know, is the parking. And so I will address the first thing that you asked me to address in front of y'all, which is we would absolutely be willing to work with staff to work on allocation of parking spots is what I'm going to call it maybe may not be assigned. I don't know if that matters or not, but you know some version or some system of allocating parking spaces. So we'd be happy to do that. Is that fair enough to y'all? I guess. Is it manageable by staff to approve? Yeah, our terminology was assignment. I think that's mostly because that was the conversation that occurred Tuesday evening. I think the premise is that there be some manageable and implementable system to deal with the residents and the available parking. That's present. So I think we could work with the condition as presented, I think an allocation plan would probably be in line with what the goal of that condition is. I would not be cumbersome. Who's enforcement would. I mean, it's got to be us in the management team. Well, I was going to say we don't we don't even enforce respect your covenants in there. Right. So well, the plaintiff, you know, are written down somewhere, that may not be effective unless the owner enforces them. Yes, sir. And I think that was the vision of us as well as to see what that plan is, that would include an enforcement mechanism and who would be responsible for implementation. And ultimately, our expectation would be responsible for implementation and ultimately our expectation would be on the property owner to abide by that plan that's developed. And for what it's worth, I didn't explain this when I was saying allocation versus assigning, but others can probably speak to this HR might. But the issue with assigning parking spots is that somebody's going to get jealous if they got the front parking spot, right? And so my allocation comment is that, you know, we would try to manage and would manage, you know, how many, you know, get rented out and how many parking spots get taken up during that time. And so Renera comes and they've got one. They've got to, you know, we would keep up with that allocation. Well, that makes sense. So eventually you could theoretically be forced in a finding antenna with no vehicle if you already used it for allocation. I don't know if we could do that. I don't know that you could not place them with that. I was gonna say, yeah. Market rate, market rate housing, most of the people got a car. It's a little different than affordable housing where we know some of the seniors don't have cars. We know some of the people that don't own a vehicle. So I don't know. Or it can operate. Don't have the physical capability to operate. Yeah, and family member helping them take care of this. I think the Stumbling Block all along has been the number of parking spots. You spent a lot of time with playing board, and you spent a lot of time with playing board and you spend a lot of time with Trevor trying to work through this. So why don't I don't want to belabor the point that I know there is concern here about parking numbers of parking spots and I think you made what I heard was you made pretty good arguments for your case at the planning board. Anybody else want to hear those? Well that's where I was going next but I wanted to try to address that one. Just say that we would agree to that working through that. You know, we personally... You know, but you're still going to be at 83. That's true. You're right. And so... You worked through as all the numbers, all the stuff, still not at 83. And our ordinance requires 107. That's right. No doubt. Okay. And so... The difference of our ordinance would require a hundred... Seven. Seven. Seven. would require a hundred seven seven hundred seven and you're proposing eighty three yes I should get starting point let's talk so the best references across the street sunset place and so they have fifty four units and I believe seventy six parking spaces they also have a clubhouse in the area pretty familiar with that project because I built it when I used to work for windfield. You know, I've studied a little bit since we started talking about parking and they have not had, I mean, every time I've been by there, there's been empty spaces. Some people do park on memorial. I personally think they do that because they want to be right there by the street, right in front of their unit. But there's still plenty of open spaces. They have all two bedrooms and three bedrooms. We have ones and twos. You know, other references, other, I realize that we're not in Greensboro. We're not in High Point. We're not in Moore'sville. I know this city of Ashboro, but all of those towns, specifically Moore'sville and High Point have the same ratio that we're proposing, which is 1.25 parking spaces per one bedroom unit and 1.5 per two bedroom unit. Greensboro I think was 1.1.5? 1.1.5 so a little bit different. And no visitor parking requirement in either high point or Greensboro. I honestly don't remember in Moore'sville. I'd have to double check that. But none in Greensboro, none in high point. And so if you go with those calculations, it would be less than what we have. One of them, sorry, I need my glasses. 75 and the other was 78. So high point. Right, do I? Well, me and the whole room were 40. That's a 75 and the other was 78. So high point. Right, do I? Little me at home before. That's right. I got a step back here. So high point, if you do it per their calculation, it would be 78 and Greensboro would be 75. And so which we have 83. Again, it's going to be our problem. If we didn't think that it wasn't going to work, we wouldn't be proposing how I do in fully acknowledge that it's different than what your ordinance says. All right, let me interrupt right here. Just for one second, I'll mean three off. Joe, we've already heard your case and we turned you down. What are you saying? I'm not asking you to leave. I'm just telling you, if you're waiting for the why. I think you're going to see me here. Yeah. Oh, no. You're going to get a job. You actually got what you asked for. It's not really a brother saying anything. I'm sorry. No, you're totally fine. I mean, if you want me to address any other issues, you know, with setbacks and those kinds of things, again, reference across the street, you know, a part of sunset on Memorial is 15 foot setbacks. When was that across the street built? When did you build that? That was in 2010, I believe. Okay. So Memorial has 15 foot setbacks, believe on sunset. We're 25 or 30, do we confirm that? I think it's 30. Okay, so a little bit of a difference. But again, we tried to work with staff and make changes to get as much as we could, that we felt like was acceptable. Let me ask you this, my concern is houses on Lewis Street, it back up to that. What, that's vegetation, can you describe that, how much will people be able to see through to the back of those apartments and what? I mean, there's some existing fencing that's there right now. We would maintain that or refer every set if needed. I can't remember if the fence is requirement or maintain that or refurbish that if needed. I can't remember if the fence is a requirement or not, but if it is we would. And then just evergreen, some sort of tree that would grow as high as it could to try to help with that. The back of the apartment is going to have any patio type things, it's just going to be plain. That's right. You have a door going out the back of the apartment is going to have any patio type things? No, it's just going to be plain. That's right. You have a door going out the back. I'll be right back. I mean, maybe on the first floor, I don't mean we don't show any right now, but possibly on the first floor, yes sir. But no balconies anywhere. All right, Councilor, now as you can't, if you've got concerns. Now, I'd be happy to come back up at the end, you know, if you think of something or something comes up. I'm sure there's going to be other people speaking. Well, our big concern is going to be if there's not enough parking, there's not enough parking. In the end, when it becomes a parking problem. You got no way to fix it. And I believe you had testimony saying that our the digits may go saying our requirements were a little more strange than other places comparable maybe. Be that as it may, that's what we generally require. And we may need to look at that at some point. If in my mind the difference in sunset place and what you're proposing is market rate as opposed to low to moderate income, I'm sure there are three bedroom units over there for larger families, possibly only one or two in the family drive and, you know, or none, load of modern incomes and some people just don't have cars. I got a guy that rides the work on a bicycle because he didn't have a car, but he's going to live there either. We're going to provide bicycle racks. And I was pleased to hear that. You know, put your men in cheese out there. If you're going to get market rate, you need, you need your men. You need what the people are looking for and my personal opinion and I think you'll put balconies up there. That's, you're the builder. I don't know if they can move but, uh-huh. Back when they were in the long, long time. Sure. Um, and I don't know that you would want it on Sunset to be honest. You know, because sometimes they, you know, look, yeah, more times they build up junk. Yeah. All right. Councilor, if you got questions, when was the zoning ordinance that required the 107? When was that enacted? You know, I mean, I said it's been to my knowledge unchanged for, so did they get a variance? It sounds like. The whole block redevelopment is a different category of a project. It's something in order to incentivize a new investment in field development when you are taking a whole block and converting it to a new use. The parking calculation is actually reduced for those projects. That was like that whole block. Yeah, yeah. And under the theory that by taking a whole block, you have the ability to add additional on street parking as a part of the project, which is part of what we saw with that. So it's a different category in essence All right, well If council has no more questions will Let you sit down for a minute ask if there's anybody in the room that wants to Address the issue with us from the other statement board. Yes, sir, thank you. Good evening, council. I'm often confused as to whether this is a chamber meeting room or a meet packing room. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Here. How are we going to do this? meat packing room. I think I'm sure Kelly and Holly, how do you think we were? I have a cone die. Yes. Next month I will go our comfort. Of course. And we don't want to see any longer than we have. Ingenior of record for the project, it could address any screening, landscaping, or stormwater questions in regards to the plan that's in front of you, if there's any questions for that. It also did provide the letter for the applicant. The letter regarding the adequate parking. Yes sir. All right. We'll have a quick answer. So what recourse, what recourse do you have as an engineer or your firm have as the engineering firm when it determines a year after or six months after when they're leasing these apartments that there's not adequate parking, there is no recourse. You don't have, you can write that letter all day long, stamp it, but there's no recourse. A-a-a-a-read. It follows on him and I haven't figured out yet how he's going to fix it if it becomes a problem. The recourse is you're not going to have people written because they're no parking places available. That's going to be the recourse. And if he can only rent based on an allocation and he runs out of parking spaces where he runs out of parking, he's upside down. That's his problem in my life. Well, it is. So at the same time, we don't want a bunch of apartment sitting around empty. We don't want people to pay the whole thing. I wouldn't live there because there are no parking. We are in the midst of a parking crisis now? Downtown now. It's not residential. But that's fixing to change too. It's only rich enough item later to the park. I'm trying to make testimony for napkin, but I just for other reasons I was at the planning board meeting. It was also pointed out in today's demographics and marketing, many two-bit remuneration are really about one person whether it be towards by his office or his sister, Bob the biggest house in our neighborhood. Other than the wildlife is just hurt. But having said that, I mean, the system that was offered as a condition, the Trevor said he played the commandeer. It was a man. But he just, he's just going to have to manage his tenor base based on that criteria. I mean, just, just period. If he runs out of bases, then he had manages to have one. And I answer the questions, what he do, but he said, Chuck down and iron him all up the bucks, and that'll be the end of it. Somebody can come. Well, you're right. It's not our problem. But it could be. It could be. You start parking other places. It could be because you can get visitors. You can have other traffic in sides of tenants and they're going to find somewhere to park. Chris. Got into church across the street. I mean, I'm just saying, you know, one-dillion-tab-two. One-dillion-tab-two. One-dillion-tab-two. Oh, well, right. It was the same thing that the type-dissants were in some parking on the street there. And blue streeters have all three parking constantly. I mean, if you write it down to the dark, I mean, it's just what people do over and at night with it. Because every house on the grocery would be with a one car drive boy. And a garage that you can't get into. So, all right, well, I just, I've made my point. I just what we, what we strive to do, what we have, what I spent the last 28 years trying to do, was make sure that what we end up with is the best it can be. That we don't approve things that we know will be a problem, or that we don't invite problems on their serve. So as my point in bringing all this up, I don't have a vote. So you don't need to worry about what I think. The other ordinance is that we're referenced, we often frequent those for dozens of cities and municipalities, and they are consistent with many, not just downtown districts, but overall city districts with the calculations that we're presented. So that is reasoning behind our support of the letter. And those cities have local trends that are available to them. So you have more people that do not own a vehicle. You go to Grace Barakow and step out on the curb and catch a bus and go somewhere. This is Randolph County and everybody's got two cars. I get behind the bus every morning on the way downtown. So there is pickup in town and there is local transit that's available to Greensboro and other places for drop off. I think part of the reason for the applicant to produce a product like this would be in an anticipation that that could be used. And we're working on that. We want to have that down. Right. But we're not quite there yet either. I guess I don't have to answer the stormwater questions tonight. But stormwater questions? I think. We've got retention on site. Let me condition of it. No more storm draining is, so since then we're going to get there. Here's the problem with that. We're actually doubly constrained. The city is going to put a 10-year pre-post on us, and then also our plans will get set to Raleigh for DOT before we connect to our catch basin. And we're not going to be allowed to increase the landscaping was offered slightly different than what's proposed on your site plan. There is a double row of screening provided around the adjacent property to the dumpsters that was offered at the planning board meeting. And then there was questions earlier in regards to the nature of the screen. It is a layland cypress or some type of evergreen, six, eight-foot apart, a continuous hedge. Before those are fully mature, you've got a fence that's completely opaque along that property line. So definitely the residents of properties to the rear will have an adequate screen as provided by the conditions. No, ultimately they're going to mature and start to fall over. Once we took down that Memorial Park because it started coming up by the roots. We want to look at that with staff to see what species of tree would definitely be more. I'd say in line with a long-term screen. You've got different plants that can be planted there. There might be something out there, maybe better. In Layland Cypress, there are various susceptible to I storms, too. Yeah. All right. I got a question from from. Thank you. Thank you. Is the high restriction in that district was got to be kept at 3. Yeah, from the city standpoint, yes, it's a 35 foot height limitation. I figure if I take long enough talking to you guys tonight Reynolds has got some beverages back here he'll have to leave for he could speak. So tonight's been all about parking. So let's talk about practical, practical. I want to several of our mechanics. Let's talk about reality. I'm all doing my practical. Let's talk about practical. Let's talk about practical. First of all, anybody who's in except for your park out on humble mill, you're at 100% absorption and having on humble mill, you're 100% sort and having to grow. Nobody's at 100% of sort. It's a noble fault. Everybody wants to be at 100% of sort. They never are. Banks won't even own money based on 100% of sort. You're never at 100% of sort. I want to part my building behind Ray Maxx. It's got four bedrooms and three one bedrooms, four cars. Four cars. It's market rate, not subsidized housing. If you look at that, these people, you think I got 100-year-old tenants? It might be market rate. Trust me, it might be a little cheaper than what they're going to be able to. Let's continue the conversation. I've got Mountain Road apartments. That's a little different to all of those are two bedrains. And most of them have all but three or four have one car. People today want two units, even if they're one person. Husband and wife, sometimes I got two cars. I'll give you that. You know, we spent a lot of money in Ashboro revitalizing downtown, having amenities, and everything that's been built has been subsidized housing. Everything. Besides the table, subsidized housing, the new one at Agme McCreey, beautiful, beautiful, subsidized housing. You talked about sunset plays tonight, subsidized housing. We haven't had anything in three decades built near the center city that I can think of. You're going to correct me. I'll see you coming. I'm just going to say that. That's new. The plan for that original act in the building is market rate. He'll have this mind nine million dollar project built before you can get to plan strong on that act. We plan. He will have it done before you can get to plan straw and on that act me He will have it done before you can get to plan straw One of the things that always you talked about downtown parking You know, I tried to try the streets all the time the parking lot at the at the water tower You see two cars up there. You're lucky. It's not that we don't have the parking people just don't want to walk I mean that's the issue? We're here that before. That's the issue. It's here if we went up to Brooks Pierce, which you know well in Greensboro and we found a parking spot on the four box way we would slide in and look at each other and think we get the lottery. They will not do that in Ashboro. Don't ask me why. It's the way they've been programmed over the years and that's the long and short of it. So talking about practicality, they're not going to, it's unreasonable to think that there'll ever be a 100% of sorts and they might be when it's brand new with brand new paint, that's possible. Banks won't need more money without figuring a 15% vacancy rate. Is that right? This property, and Joey, I think you looked at it for a couple different folks, so you can speak to the condition. This property's passed its economic life. It's passed its economic life. It's deteriorating every day. We've had problems with homeless breaking in, and when it gets cold weather, it's going to happen again. And this is our major corridor coming into town. You know, there were a lot of conversation. I remember the meeting well. There was a lot of conversation when we did sunset place, if you remember. People concerned about subsidized housing. Well, here it is 10 years later, about 10. Nash was the superintendent. You tell me how it looks. How did it turn out? How's it look today? So I would say to you, any good landlord, and I think these guys are gonna have to be, if you spend $9 million, you're gonna manage your tenants. You're gonna manage, you're gonna know the first question and the application is automobiles, tag number, how many drivers now sell. Some of the very first questions. And it's an important question. So if you think that everybody, you know, we have one of the planning board members just this week, let's do in quick math and all the two bedrooms, times two and all the one bedrooms, times one, that's not practical. That's not the way it works. It is absolutely not the way it works. Sometimes it's a pair of single mothers, single dad, with one child of this underage. We built the amenities downtown. We want the people to come. We want them to have ability to enjoy those amenities. But we haven't furnished any market rate housing. None. We haven't. Not in this intercity. Well, yeah, I'm hesitant to get into tax base. That's not what you guys are supposed to consider when you, when you look at a project. Maybe you're doing the back of your mind. It's not supposed to be an argument, but I think a $9 million new project there as opposed to what's set there deteriorating might be good for Ashburn. And if you spend $9 million, you're pretty apt to keep it up. You're pretty apt to keep it up. You're pretty apt to manage it properly. I know if it's my nine million dollars which I don't have, I'm going to take care of it. I'm going to look after it and I'm going to make sure it's done properly. So I don't know about other cities and I think National Committee comment and I think he was right to say we know this in Greensboro. It's not high point. It's not it's not more so. It's not rally. It's not more useful. It's not rally. It's not any of those things. But those calculations work in high density center city areas and those areas. And if we want to grow and be recognized as a coming community, some of those some of those regulations, we're going to have to tweak. We're going to have to tweak to get up to speed. And Reynolds did a bunch of and he did a good job. Came up the other night about Reynolds was concerned. He's gonna bring himself again. So I guess I'll mention it now, but I would like to reserve up to you. You'll let him do it. You won't let him do it. Then I'll rebut. Okay, that's all right. Well, here's me everybody. You getting ahead of me. My point is like you talking down to me. No, I'm not. It's time to shut down. I'm just saying that this is a viable project. No doubt. That's, and I'm not trying to. And I'm only concerned. It's parking. I understand. I get it. And I get your point. But 85% of sorts is the standard with everything I deal with 85% Not talking down to you that we give too far back Is it 85%? All right I'm not in the hardest place The panel is here adjourned I'm sitting next to the square No, I'm sitting next to the square I'm sitting next to the square I want to congratulate Trevor on his new time. I think that is wonderful, it's right in the town. And I want to thank you for being mayor since forever, as I can remember. And I am a mayor all that time. I am a townspeaker. I'm a community because I've been 12 years a better since I stood at this podium by the other night. And I want to face this way. You guys are supposed to be over there. I'm totally disoriented. But yeah, it's late. I've been here. I've done this. I had a lot to say. But basically, I'll just put it down to this. The problem with this project and everything Trevor said about the plan, what we want there, what the developers want to do, the quality of the housing, the housing market rate housing, everything is spot-off. Except this project is too intense for the property it's sitting on. That creates all the problems with setbacks, parking, all the amenities that we try to get people to bring to town when they bring projects to us are being skipped because the project is on too little ground. That's something. All the other issues that we spent hours talking about extend from that one problem. Trevor pointed out in your analysis. hours talking about, extend from that one problem, Trevor pointed out in your analysis. And that's what I had to say in a very quick nutshell. Thank you, sir. My question is before. It's almost like you've done this before. Mike, I did just retire again from consulting with the town of Liberty and pretty much done with my professional testimony at hearing, so I consider myself an retiring man. You're hired again? That's how you told me I needed to catch up with you. I told you in March 14th I catch up. And I was worried about the mayor. And so are you, other guys. I've seen you around a while. I'm sorry. You want to help? Please, please, consider my opinions on this. I'm sorry you had to wait. I should have let you go ahead of him. No, I was going to let him go anyway. I'm Nicole Patina. I'm here on behalf of Nicholas Stuggins, who is one of the homeowners in an adjoining property. Louis Street. Yes. So his property butts right up to his proposed development. And I'm gonna say Call the microphone down and speak to my phone please. Okay. Can you hear me now? Okay, I didn't touch it. Okay, good You know they always say don't do it Okay So his property backs up to this proposed development and I'm gonna echo a lot of what we a lot of what has been said He does want development. He does want to see a lot of what has been said. He does want development, he does want to see something in this property but concerns come down to density of the project and the parking. So one concern and thank you guys for bringing up a lot of this. But as a resident in the backyard, concerns about noise pollution and light pollution are big concern particularly because this street is comprised of older families and families with children. So this is going to be a lot of a lot to impose on that street. And what makes this different than the sunset place apartments, which is compared to regularly, is that this does butt up against an entire residential street. So it's very different in that families are going to be impacted by this unit. In fact, one of the neighbors is going to be just feet from the dumpster and the double screaming is great, but there are still concerns about rodents and noise and lots of things that may be as a result of putting that up against a residential property. The parking concern, so we've talked about the deficit. We've talked about other major cities and how this parking can work. But one thing that you guys hit on is that public transit is available. In Charlotte and Greensboro where there is a reduced need for parking, there's a bus system. There's the Amtrak, there's the light rail. And we just don't have that even at half point. There is a bus system. Our concern here is that with the deficit of parking, even if there is a sign parking, people are going to find other places to park. So particularly on South Cherry, if they start parking and they're going to park in both directions because that's what people do and they do that on my career, which is the other joining street, it's going to be very difficult for emergency vehicles to get through. So our biggest concern is that house burns they own because the fire truck can't get through there. Because we've got to figure out how to park 25 additional cars. Our concern is that kids can adopt because the ambulance can't figure out how to navigate 25 additional cars on these streets. And you guys are here and you've talked about it. The goal is to promote the health safety and welfare of the residents of Ashbrook. And we want growth. We just think a smaller development that would accommodate the parking, that would contain everything. And be supported by the infrastructure would be more appropriate for this location. Thank you. Well done. Hi, HR. I'm a revodal. I just think that Ashburne needs that property improved. And if this isn't approved, we have Winfield property took a look at it and actually had it under contract. They didn't think that we would have subsidized housing approved at this time at that location and they aborted. And that's what they would have put there. They had it under contract. We're anxious for Margaret Wright. I know you are. I know you are. We need it So again, and I didn't mean to push it certainly of my apologies if you felt I was talking negative but you know We need it and sunset needs it sunset needs to be cleaned up. It looks terrible Looks terrible. It's not gonna look any better until somebody does something and the economics are the problems when you have to pay the price for the property and do this engineering, the site development, build on Margaret. One thing I did, everything. I mean, it's expensive. It's expensive. One thing I did like about this one, a lot of these that you see today are built with vinyl siding and fairly cheap exterior products. And you heard Trevor talk about the used hardy board that's a brand, but the solid surface on the outside and brick that's meant to last over time. And that's quality construction. Quality construction is important. I don't know. I think if you're a good landlord, and I think these guys will be, that you keep your eye on the number of, and you're gonna have vistas of course you are. I mean, you know, we proved you guys approved and it wasn't built the event center there. If you had a wedding or something like that, you'd really had a you'd really had a large traffic concern or really large traffic concerned. I don't have we fixed parking. I don't think we're ready to build parking garages yet. We've talked about it. I don't think we're ready to do that. You can't do that on an apartment complex. You just can't. It's too expensive. And a lot of the larger cities have abandoned some of the parking garages. Frankly, they're not working. I'd like to see you approve it. I think I understand the other citizens' concerns I do. And for the sake of progress and tax base and improvement of our community, I would suggest you approve it, but you guys are going to vote your conscience. And that's what you should do. Thank you. Well, what I was going to comment on in the ladies' commentaries about parking in the project, and all like that. I think I'll listen and heard what she said. I just wanted to make a comment about the possibilities of how much or how little on street parking that possibly could be on Terry's. She was concerned about the beginning of the same kind of nature. As in the Pocco-Locco case earlier this evening, that's manageable and a matter of a different operation. If John suggested, if that needs to be looked at to mark, if there is room to mark some off or if there's not room and there needs to be signs put up to prevent it for what happens. That's a big way. That's great. Certainly off the intersection. Part of this application or part of this condition. But I'd say that to say, would not ignoring your concern in your presentation. It is real. It is real. It is accurate. And no matter whether this passage or fails, that would be blocked. We're experiencing growing pains. We just saw it. And I get it. I get it. There's no perfect solution. You're right about this, look at it later. That is a property I've had numerous complaints on. The property management company was dumping policy dirt in there and policy concrete. And I had to see Chuck over to get those moves. We addressed that. They just said she's so good. And we got a number of anything, what you are presenting here looks a lot better than what's their current. Well, we've got a number of break-ins, frankly, with homeless people. And one of the back rooms had 50 hyperdermy needles in it, and I went through. So it'd be nice to clean it up. Maybe this isn't a project. I think it is. But I think it'll look good. It's a lot of money. You can't spend $9 million in that look after it. You just can't. You just can't. That's what I would say to that. I have a lot more confidence than the developer. Yeah. That's a build. Any other questions? Good. Thanks. I'm going to have to hold it down on the boat. You can have it right here. We get to keep our boat going. There's a charter. We have to have it on the boat. Is that the building right here? We're hoping to get away with it. Let's go back and charge it. They've been going to make sure they have it. They're going to have promised that absolutely. The rain will light them. Yeah. It's on the boat. I guess the question in the open and the room is, is there any thought to manage in the project with fewer units to say, you know, 48 units rather than 52, 45 or 4, yeah. Is that doable? Come on up. The ratio is different. Is it, you have to have 52 units to make it economic? I mean, density is the name of the game. And that's where we land it. And we really feel comfortable with the parking with it, honestly. Again, recognize that it that that may your ordinance but developing other properties in moresville with that ratio. When just to help the council understand when tenet wants to rent apartment 3b There's no space mark 3b. How do they know where to park and which one is theirs? Typically people have a sign parking. I know you want your landlord or manager will man but how do I would so the council understands how would that person when they go to meet the Management agent and they want to look at it and we're not part of a car. How does that work? I mean quite honestly when we we try to avoid the sign parking, right? I mean, that's not the ideal situation, but again if that's what we need to do that's what we'll do But I guess what I'm I understand you try to avoid it But yeah to help the council when the tenant comes in, I ask where to walk part. What is the, there's not a sign parking, you can park anywhere in this Mark's basis or what do you tell the tenant? I mean, normally that's what happens, yes, sir. Again, if you're saying that we need to assign three BS5, I think you're offering them a different rationale. Yes, sir. And you spoke eloquently towards it. The question is, just asking for the edification of the council, how does your manager handle that issue? I mean, typically, I know in some larger jurisdictions, they may actually, Mr. Bill just tell him his daughter lives in Nashville and rents, in Nashville, in Paymore, in Payport. I partner lives in Brooklyn. That's right. If you think, you rent a car, sometimes your parking space costs as much as your apartment. Sure. So at our large complexes, what we've done, and this much ratio is a policing time, but it ends up in the same procedure. You have a number of stickers, and it's in your windshield. That lets you know you. And if you're not where you're supposed to be, or if a car is there that does not have that sticker on it. Then you know that's not a resident or a tenant. I would just curious, I don't know. You know, they had a pedolog go with the number. They didn't have the unit, obviously, you didn't want that kind of identification. Managers get to know everybody to, you know, I know what they drive. I would just ask them to help the council. Yeah. That's the only thing. I thought we were asking for identification earlier. I was saying that we might not just ask what you answered. But we would just have to manage it. He brings you a unit. And if you had an event, you could run the space. A parking space. If you could afford a parking space, then you came aboard a car. That's right. I mean, that's what I'm talking about. But the point about that is those, there's- That it's the man that passed the death of the police, isn't it? Well, and I think it also drives to your other question is you could go much taller. You can go beyond 42 feet or whatever. It was only the other one, but you know, some of that may be addressed if we had a height difference. Then you got an elevator, explain it. You know what we do have the safety firefighting equipment and do have the trim firefighters to go taller. We got truck, you got to elevator. I'm just saying that you brought up that that is a good point. You can ask for that marriage as well. And we don't have any debt restrictions. That's correct. You have no debt. Yes. Just don't have to sue. I only mention that because it's just a new issue for the council. You can obviously tell they're struggling the figure out what to do. No, I understand. Mr. Mayor, a way to add this to stroke something. Because what I've seen in my professional experience is that when the projects don't have the part of the day, it still is under the night of the night. And for instance, I have a friend relative in Arlington, who are projects for built in his neighborhood. And for years, people take on a five-ton-block, park-and-praw-and-house. Last time I visited, he probably just passed away. You can have an apartment life on your street, but let's put your house from the projects filling the owner in the night. So what are amenities become externalities, which become expenses for the system? And that's the problem with too much of the kids to go to these cars. Ultimately, you got to get the fight of a car to play the police role as well. And that's the same as the lady who represented Mr. Duggins. That's what she was saying. And if she's concerned, the books on Lewis Creek have concerned about this to have to to Clark in front of, uh, out of the Berthou, Gonzalez's house on Louis Street. They're not walking up the Cherry Street in around the corner. They're walking through his yard. There's fencing. There will be a fence there. There's some art existing that he is. I may wait a little while. Yeah, thought it was the whole way. All right, well, council. What kind of fence, I mean, do you build that fence to the property owner? I don't know if that happened per parcel or if it was something that they were charged. Probably the church. It was about some actual fee. It was a church of all intonials. No, it is. It's a wood fence. And again, if we need to refurbish that, yeah. It's the same kind of screen fence on those property owners there. I mean, instead of the vegetation, some kind of green fence there. I mean, I thought there was a proposal about the court. Yeah, it's going to have both. So there's existing wood fence there now. And if something needs to be fixed to maintain that, we would do that. And then we're also proposing the vegetative buffer. We're showing it. You read for a moment? I am. I am. I am. I am. In the interest of moving forward. You read for a moment? I'll say I am. I'll say I am. I'll say I am. I'll say I am. I'll say I am. I'll say I am. I'll say I am. I'll say I am. I'll say I am. I'll say I am. I'll say I am. I'll say I am. I'll say I am. I'll say I am. I'll say I am. motion to approve this request consistent with the planning boards itself recommendation and their weight of the factors that they consider. I will end up. Applicant is amenable to the conditions as presented. The proof that rezoning requests before. No, you have a motion. Do we have a second? I'll second it request before. No. You have a motion. Do we have a second? I'll second it. Mr. Burke. Discussion? Well, we have an ordinance that says we need 107 spaces. Now we can debate the merit of that ordinance from now on. And if we want to address that later, that's fine. But based on our current ordinances, and our current, you're not talking about three or four spaces. I could look, I could do that. You're talking about 24 spaces. Even if you drop your 15%, I can see down there, you're still don't have enough spaces. You know, based on that, you do decrease it by 15 or 16, but you still don't have enough. And for that reason, I just don't think this is the right that the property is big, is not big enough to handle what they're trying to accomplish. And that's my two cents. And I agree. Let me say this. That property is an eye sore now. I hate passing by there, just the shortchutes going out. And there's a main dragon to town. And he's something they're bad. But I just think this is too many houses for this property. Too many residents for this property. In this property property. With that strong water retention and oil bioir, I don't know which one this. I'm just saying, I don't know. I agree with you. I agree with you. I don't mean to agree with me. But I've been up enough with this kind of stuff. I don't know how many units it takes for me to stormwater. I know how many units that you don't have to fight for that out of it. It's tough. There's one there. But... You know... What y'all think? There we go. It's been said. I mean, I agree with Bill and Joey. I just, I think, it's too big of a project. And we have an ordinance for a reason. We have an ordinance for a reason. You know, we're here often. have an ordinance for a reason. You know, we're here often that the numbers don't work. I gotta have this meeting units for everyone. I'm not disputing anything you're saying. But if that were always true every time we heard it, nobody'd be building the dam thing. Like I said, if you about two or three spaces, we're talking significant amount, based on how long it is. Yeah. I don't know what you wish for. We hope that somebody comes back up here with two before and by all sides in a 10-year shingles and the numbers for what you're going to do. You can't put by all sides. That's what I'm saying. I can't, the design can't want to put it outside in there. Just fire? I'm just saying. So, all right. You ride. I'm going to motion in a second. We've got a motion in a second. And plenty of discussion. We're going to do this by show hands. All in favor of passing the motion to approve raise your hand. Full. Jeff, is what you got for? Yes sir. All right. It was full. Mr. Swiers and Mr. Babel. You won't make it out. That was more next week. You got a lot of votes over there. And if you are voting to deny this, voting against to the motion, raise your hand now. One, two, three. It passes four to three. Don't embarrass us. How long? In HR, I apologize. Yeah, but I was really pretty. I'm on extra pork. All right. Oh, Mr. Noto, are you still here? Okay, this is, open clause I judicial hearing Anybody Issue page 24-0 1 Special use permit requests for 749 In anybody that is planning to speak has to be sworn. Correct. Right. Yes, sir. That's right. You expect in a lot of people to speak. Uh, this would be the appropriate time there to, uh, to farm. Anybody in the plan to speak to the council regarding this requires would need to be sworn over in front of Holly. Yep. Let's Go over there. Yep, go over there. Hey, man. Hey family, we say hello. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. This application is filed to request a special use permit for property located at 749 Pineview Road. A property total of 16.5 acres identified by a single parcel number. The purpose of the application is to authorize new land uses within the Bakery Glacue Watershed under a special intensity allocation. The applicant is HR Gala Moore on this request. The application has been signed onto by the property owner. The requested use would be for manufacturing processing in assembly with wholesale distribution and storage uses also permitted. It's those additional uses that really is triggering the special use permit hearing this evening. Previously we had a manufacturing process assembly used universal fibers was on the property and had been granted a special intensity allocation for its operation because there's a perspective, user of the facility, looking to do some additional activities on the property, the code requires you to hear this application. And I'll show this in pictures of maps. As you know, if you're familiar with the property, there's one entrance into the subject property from Pine D road. This is just west of the Pine D street widening that is scheduled. Hopefully to begin next year, it's the U-5711. We note that the Northwook Southern Railroad is adjacent to the subject property on the eastern side. This site is located with the Back Creek Lake Watershed. That is a property drains to a city reservoir. And so there are heightened restrictions for development within those reservoir areas. Regulations state that new built upon area has a limit. There's a maximum amount of built upon area that can be put down on property within the watershed. And those allocations, those approvals for built upon area are tied to a specific use. So again, we're here this evening to make the request to expand what's permitted to occur on the site. The site plan that I've distributed from the applicant is from an ALTA survey that showed existing conditions from 2015. So what that means to us is that there is no additional built upon area that's proposed with the application. Our expectation would be if there were additional built upon area that's proposed by the user that would be shown on the site plan, since it's not we don't expect there to be any additional built upon area occurring with any future development. You may remember that the way the state watershed rules work, you are allowed to assign these special intensity allocations for 10% of the reservoir area. And so we have done that in a number of cases over the last 30 years. And presently we have about 45 acres of allocation still remaining for future development that may need it within the reservoir area. It's important to note and this is helpful for us is that because there was a prior allocation authorized for the site and because there's no additional built upon area requested with the application, there's not an impact to what we the city retains as far as allocable area. So that is helpful for other projects that may need that consideration. Also note in our analysis and six that the approval of a special intensity allocation does not affect those watershed development regulations that are primarily intended to protect water quality. The expectation city would require that all watershed protection rules would remain in effect. Should you grant the approval here this evening. Some of that pertains to the prohibition of underground fuel storage tanks. That's something that would not be permitted within the reservoir area. If there is any storage of what is defined by State or Federal law as hazardous materials, the city requires a submission of a spill prevention, containment and control plan. That's a plan that has to be prepared by a qualified professional that's competent in such development. Those plans are then shared with emergency services and other city resources to be aware of the presence of such material. So that is already built in into the city code would be required for hazardous material storage. As I said, there's no new built upon area that's shown or no indication of improvements. That includes no indication of any open storage activity that the may occur in the property. We think it's reasonable to expect that some open storage may occur on existing built upon area. What we propose with conditions for this project is that if that does, actually it's not even a condition. It would be required by code anyway if open storage occurs on the property there would have to be open storage screening consistent with the city requirements and so that is built in into the ordinance without the need for any condition So just to illustrate the location and the configuration of the property, this is on the south side of Pineview Street right at the North-Earthloor line. The property outlined in red, parcel A, and the other parcel with the letter was in the joining landowner and received notice from the city about the hearing. We have properly advertised and noticed the matter this evening. The purple area on this map, both the dark purple and the lighter purple, the note industrial zoning. So this is a prominent industrial corridor obviously for the city. We do still have some residual residential areas. We saw rezoning this evening on Pineview, east of this location within that residential area, but in large part, particularly west of the rail, this is a prominent industrial sector. You can see the various rail mainline and spurs that are in the area. You can see the location of city infrastructure as well. And here's the aerial map showing the filter-pond area and development as it sits. This is the ultra-survey that the applicant provided has shown its essentially existing conditions and the no expansion of the building or other built-up on areas that are proposed. As we look at the requirements of the code, this is not a rezoning that's occurring here this evening. This is a quasi-judicial hearing where you are to receive evidence from the applicant pertaining to compliance with the city requirements for special use permit. Those are outlined in 0.0530. They state that project must minimize built upon surface areas. Projects must direct storm water away from surface areas or surface waters. Project must incorporate best management practices to minimize quality impacts. Projects must be connected to the city of Ashbur water and sewer and fifth projects must provide a positive economic benefit or housing opportunities to the community. Those are the basis for you considering a special use permit for the project. Those determinations are based on findings of fact that you render after receiving testimony from the applicant. Those are the four standard findings of fact that you should weigh and consider evidence that's presented to you from the applicant in order to grant the special ease permit. So I will keep these up on the screen because they're, they are important as you hear testimony. Before I turn it over to the applicant, I'll be happy to answer any questions. Questions? Thanks, sir. Thank you. That's a book. Good evening. Good evening. A lot of people here tonight. I'm Greg Davis. I'm making a request on the property at 749 Pineview Road in Asheboro for new land use, a change of the sea of permit. I'm the owner operator of alternative performance technologies. I'm currently located in the county as a tenant and we have outgrown our current facility. Our company's focus is steel fabrication and erection and our projects cover most of the southeast United States. HR Gallimor is the broker for the property and I've asked him to speak at this time. David, you're tired of seeing me tonight? I don't know how much you guys say. Very, very little. I don't ever believe there's a layup, but this was total ramp fabrics in the day, and then it has been a synthetic fiber production for its lifetime. That process changed, and unfortunately for Asber, they moved that whole project over to Mount Gilead, North Carolina. So he wants to be over there, right? But they're there, nevertheless. And this is a residual property that they had. Head on the market for a while. I'm not the first broker, but Greg came to me looking for a location. And this works for what he needs it to do. The building is fully sprinkled. There is a Duke energy substation at the back of the property. They have access to the permanent dedicated easement for that. Properly fully fenced. It does have rail, although Mr. Davis didn't plan on using rail at this time. If he ever chose to do so. He had to talk to the staff and talk about reallocating the amount of land that's used based on the 1070, which is known as regulation, which is known as SEA. Understand I need to go through the permit test. We're going to spend this moment to do that. First test is the use will not material endanger the public health or safety of located per per per page, and according to the plan is submitted and approved. It's on industrial, he has an industrial use. He can use the building as it exists. He plans on certainly improving the building, but making no footprint change to any of the hard surface or to the building itself. The second point that it meets all required conditions and specifications of the zoning ordinance. I think we've gone to great lengths many years ago. You saw off the survey, you seen the permit, zoning is in place. So I think all that's in the ordinance and is being complied with. That the use not substantially injure the value of a joining or a budding property. I gotta say to improve this and the grass is kinda growing up to get this thing back up to speed, not only wouldn't hurt a joining property, but it would probably enhance the health of joining properties. I remember four, that the location character of the use if developed in accordance with the plan is submitted and approved will be in harmony with area in which it's located and it's again, it's own correctly. As I understand it, we also need to make sure we do cover the things that the 1070 or the SEA requires. One, the project must minimize the built-in-bone surface area. Got an also survey in place that shows that exactly. Project must direct storm water away from surface waters. I think that's all settled years ago. Is there making no changes in the property whatsoever, or the footprint or the parking lot? As I understand it, I did ask, I understand in the day, total and fabric said 250 employees there. Sound about right John? That's right. So there's a lot of paved surface already at the property that was approved for the previous CO. A project must incorporate best management practices to minimize quality impacts. I don't know that Greg has gotten a best management plan together, but I think simply by following a code ordinance and regulation, he'd have to follow best management practices would be my opinion of that. Projects must be connected to the City of Ashford Water and Sewer, and it is, and it is sprinkled, I think I mentioned that, it's fully sprinkled building, and it must provide a positive economic benefit to the, or housing opportunity to the community. I certainly think that, that to get a viable business in there will help the economics last for a while. I just chat with him earlier, we even talked to Crystal Getty, see me get some building redevelopment grant that remains to be seen. I would like to think he could. He has about 15 employees now and he'd like to double those. I think his latest project was at Camp LeJune if I'm not mistaken. Is that right? One of your latest, we've got several projects going on. And he's doing some quotes down at Charleston, bless us hard. So any questions for me, I'll be glad to answer if I can. Thank you very much. Thank you. Congratulations on the sliding. Questions? Anybody? Well, the thumb on the stormwater. If you go across the railroad tracks, it doesn't apply. Right? That's expanded. That's been expanded in the last several years. So I mean, you can say watershed, but it's kind of like on the periphery and it's only because it's been changed. I ran into that up the road. What it is, it is. I mean, we've got to address that, but at my point was it's not seen in the middle of the world. How do you get a kick out of the machine? Yeah, well, we can't do that. Four engineers. Yeah, but that's being on the very edge of it and everything. I don't know if the impact will be minimal or minimal. Any other questions? I just want to be sure, in your manufacturing process, you'll pick up the water into the sewer and it won't be a well yet. Well, there are many problems about that. What? We don't really need water in the process. It's still fabrication. Okay. Typically water other than for the rest of the stuff. Okay. Yeah, it's used to just just domestic. He doesn't have any. Okay. Well, I'm just getting out of the way to be sure. You're talking about an area that's the San Toy Sewer. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And Mr. Mercasco is part of the city's permitting an occupant process. Water resources is notified when we have new businesses make application for occupancy. And so if there is a need based on the operation for industrial user permit that that process is will be handled as a part of our internal protocol. Thank you. All right. I'm so worried you thought. May I move we approve the special use permit? I have a motion by Mr. Bell to approve the special use of firmly up, based on the fact that testimony shows that they believe they've met all the conditions, all the four requirements. And I will, do I have a second? Second. First, I'll talk to you. Thank you. Discussion? Oh, if I were to say aye. Aye. Oh, please. Motion passes. Sir, congratulations. I think you've got a five-piece property up there. And I'm glad somebody came along and can make that work, because it was very specialized. And actually a pretty good bargain, I think. We used to square our feet and blend the fabrication practice on. Yeah. So good luck in actual. And exciting. Thank you about the projects you have and the future of your business. That's really exciting. Glad to have you inside the city. Welcome to Ashford. Thank you. Thank you. You don't take care of him. Thank you. Hey, Charlie, you don't have another one, do you? I'm just a have another one. I'm not one of the members of the labor. Not one of the formation. All right. I'm getting sassy. Mr. Ronin, you made me to it. Designed build contract amendment number one for the Wall Street Water Main. Good evening. We are continuing to make progress on getting some pipe in the ground. Just to remind you that the January 11th general regular meeting you approved the GMP for phase one, which was $5,000,000,000, $600 to provide the preconstruction services, 75% design. This project, as you recall, is I've given you updates. We divided into four phases, so each design team can take an area to work in. And there are areas that are more susceptible to construction quicker. So phase four, as you remember, is the section from eastern Randolph High School to the county line. And that is part of the project that's easy to do right away, very few of our normal rights. So we can start getting pipe in the ground there pretty quickly, very few permitting issues we hope. But tonight I'm coming to you to present to you the first amendment to the GMP and remember that we're on the deadline to have water to will speed by January 1, 2026. The amendment is in your agenda packet and it is to approve early procurial for material. Basically buying the pipe and fittings for that first for phase four, which would be the first phase of construction. Withers designing that section and they are provided us the 30% drawings, we've looked at those. According to the schedule, we should have their 75% drawings next week and they'll be able to start their permitting with that. And that way, or the procurral allows us to go ahead and order the pipe, have it on site, ready to go. So once the permits in place, they can start digging. And the pipe can be delivered just tomorrow when you order. So we do need to get the order in. Really? Yes, so. What's happened? There's demand for pipe. Uh-huh. So, how do you say the pipe where I had to wait for pipe? He used me in the pipe. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's that's just said. I mean, it's not going to be delivered tomorrow. But we're not going to go. I don't think you can say it with big deliver. But our suppliers in the room tonight and we're going to get the pipe. No, not the tram. We got to pick yourself up first before 40 goes anything. Exactly. He heard that it could be delivered tomorrow. No, I really don't. He misheard me. I'm sorry. It would be delivered tomorrow. No, it won't be. It's critical for the point of that conversation about which size they're going to upgrade. They don't know what this means. Yes. There will be no switching it. Exactly. They're telling them that we haven't. I mean, we're 14 months out of certain size of concrete. The design team has provided us with the two technical memos that were required for pipe sizing with the hydraulic model. And they've also given us a technical memo for location of the project, the actual, it's listing properties where they think they're going to need easements and all those things that has been provided to us. It's done. So we're moving along quite well. What kind of pipe? It's duct Dutch line pipe. And what's your lead time on that now? We can get you quite conservative. Okay, if we order it now, we want to be digging. We want to be digging January 1. That's plan. So. Later on tomorrow. Is this a section that I've missed? It's the second. This is the phase four, which is the last section from East Randolph High School to the county line to get a full screen. So it's not where they proposed maybe to go to 24 A? No, that were not there yet. So, yeah, different phase. Different phase. That this is further east than that. But once again, this is the easiest part of the project to construct. The view is environmental impacts, the best property to put it on with a DOT right away is wide open, so it's hard to put it in motion to approve it. I need motion for the Council to allow the City Manager to execute amendment one. My reference. No, just allow him to execute this. All right. I'll entertain the motion to approve grant authority to the manager to approve contract amendment one and order this pipe. So moved. Okay, we have motion. Motion there, Second here. Okay, Mr. Chagden and Mr. Bale. Okay, discussion. As I was saying, I did his delivery date is recorded into the record. That's why you have to know that. Pertury and penalty along. That's what. These things slip, guys, I'm just telling you. Yeah. I don't want a lot of parking in America and they do a great job, but this is the whole thing. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed. John, do you have your motion order here? Got that mayor. Thank you. Mr. Leonard, you and Ms. Reeves are going to take the HVAC of the library. My gosh, really don't even my note. Nine. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Advertisements for Bids for the City of Ashboro Public Library, HVAC Upgrade were published with a bid opening date of July 12, 2024, at 2 p.m. here in the council chambers. At that average time, that advertised time. There were only two bidders present. Therefore, the project was re-advertised and the bid opening date was October 8th, 2024 at 2 p.m. At 2 p.m. on October 8th, three bidders were present. You have in your packets of bid tabulation from the engineering department. Showing the results of that bid, the lowest responsible responsive bidder was P.E.G. Contracting Inc. DBA 35 North of Durham, North Carolina with a bid of $749,000 and staff recommends approval of the bids of this bid with the alternate for the total contract amount of $759,000. It's the most important thing to me, as old as when the building was at an old 95. And it runs around the clock. It heats and cools at the same time. It's a very antiquated, very expensive system. So Michael and his team have done a great job. Jimmy Kagle getting all this together. Mr. Holt's here, obviously, all this together. Mr. Hopes here obviously for this reason. And so we are ready to get started. Okay. Motion. Mayor Moog, we approve the motion responses there to P.D. and kind of getting together with the alternate date amount for total 759,000. Second. Second. Second. Second Miss Lee. Just because. Oh, excuse me. There you go. Does this include all the wiring? Everything goes along with it? Yes. This is the interpretation. They're going to do it. Get up in the ceiling and put it back. Or wherever. I don't know. to span up there. So what's included is eight individual units on the roof and it's all everything pertinent to those units and then one unit and those all three are all eight of those units are going to be gas units. The reason why we chose gas was because there wasn't enough sufficient evidence to feed the heat pumps. There will be one heat pump in the basement, but that includes this oil. But if anything, anything that it's removed, it gets put back, it's included. That's right. Yes, wiring or anything of the units. Yes. Very efficient, though. Okay. That's why we're sure it won't be extra, so it wouldn't help. Any other questions? All right. All right. That's why I'm making sure that I'm going to be extra. Any other questions? All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed. Most of them, Terry. Ross, you did away with your overdue fines. You might won't put them back. It's a lot overdue fines. Every penny? All right. And we have a general fund amendment to go with that. Yes, Mary, I do. I will have to say that the information about the alternate never made it to me, so or I overlooked it. So I've prepared the ordinance to amend the general fund for under the price of $749,000. So I will come back to you next month for $10,000 more and I apologize for that oversight. But in your budget, packets is an ordinance-mended general fund allocating an additional moving $249,000 from the facilities maintenance repair budget to the maintenance repair budget at the library in order to cover the shortfall that was in the budget using the figure of $749. I had $500,000 in the budget already approved when we approved budget in June, so just $249,000 was needed. But again, I will need to come back with another budget amendment for the additional $10,000. But for this one, I would request that you adopt this by reference. Questions? I will attend a motion to approve a reference. Mayor, I move we adopt this ordinance to amend the general fund by reference. Mr. Birx, is the motion to have a second. Second. Second, Mr. Sawyer. All in favor say aye. Aye. Oh, discussion. only favor to say aye. Aye. Oh, discussion. The only favor to say aye. Aye. All opposed. Motion carries. Mr. Leonard, you and Ms. Reaves have 10A, which is a terminal building design bid. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. You have in your packet's work authorization number three between the City of Ashboro and W.K. Dixon for the design and bid administration of a new terminal building located just south of the existing terminal building at the Ashboro Regional Airport. This work is eligible for non-primary entitlement funding with a 90-10 split and the city will be responsible for $43,605 and staff recommends approval of work authorization three by work authorization. Work authorization three, excuse me. It's not hard to approach something so I'm going to give you that much to go with it. We don't have to put up 43 questions. Mr. Leonard, I'll entertain a motion. There I move. We approve the work authorization. Number three. Have a motion. Mr. Bale, do I have a second? Second. Second, he. Discussion? All the favour say hi? All opposed? Ms. Reeves? Mayor and council, I have two budget amendments for this item. The first one is an ordinance to amend the general fund, appropriating from plan balance, 10% math, moving 3635. This 43605 will be transferred to the airport project. I recommend adoption of reference, I reference for the ordinance to amend the general fund. Questions? May I have a motion? Mayor, I'll make the motion that we approve this ordinance to amend the reporting group that's signed number two by reference. I have a motion of MSH. Do I have a second? Second. Second, Mr. Birx. Discussion? All of the favour say aye. All right. A little post. OK, following the ordinance to amend the general fund that you guys just approved. I have an ordinance to amend the airport improvements fund. This ordinance appropriates the funding for $436,049 $349 with 392, 444 coming from Grant Proceeds in the 43605 coming from the City of Ashbroke. I recommend adoption by reference. Questions? I'll entertain a motion to adopt a reference. Is that moved? Where is that? Mr. Coggen? In the corner. I'm sorry I don't hear very well. Left filter down there. Do I have a second? Second. Second Mr. Bale. Discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed? Opposed? May I before we move off the terminal building, just recall that two weeks ago we All right. All opposed? All opposed? All opposed? All opposed? All opposed? Mayor before we move off the terminal building, just recall that two weeks ago we did host when we're present at Trump and it has a re-election campaign efforts. At the time, the Mayor Pro Tem and Mr. Birx were at the rally along with about two-thirds of the city of workforce. Mr. Birx and the Mayor of Pro Tem did work on, took the opportunity to speak with Senator Bud and Congressman Hudson about our federal and state application for airport funds to build the terminal. And we received notification late last week that their staffs are support, the Senator and Congressman support our request to the FAA and their staffs are working with the pursuant with the FAA so maybe we can get funding to move forward. Also that's going for a 4500 foot runway extension so they can land next time they can make it. Didn't make it the same enthusiasm as the. Really got this in perspective. I was just joking with mayor, where he got this. Mayor wasn't invited on the way. That had ways to be invited. Well, we tried to get me a ticket and they said no. And I saw a different video. My name was on the list, I didn't get a call. list. I didn't mean to open that channel. I had to put a gender to call. And 80 tried to get me a ticket. And the service said no. Maybe that's a match. I didn't tell you that. I argue with you. You're telling me that because I wasn't tell you that argue with you. I'm telling you that because I wasn't invited. All right. I can explain it, but I'm not surprised. It can be. Yes, sir. You also have in your packet's work authorization number four between the City of Ashboro and WK Dixon for the design and bid administration of the new NC Aviation Museum anger. Acceptance will allow WK Dixon to design, do the bid work and minister the bid work and minister construction and administer the grant for that was received for $2 million towards the NC Aviation Museum Hanger. They received this, I guess, a few months back. Six weeks ago. Six weeks ago. The new Hanger, this is just a pass-through grant for utilization of the city's contracted engineering firm. And staff recommends approval of work authorization number. What are they going to build out of it? Hatton been decided exactly yet. They've got to go before the airport authority. They're looking at either possibly where their parking area is now and trying to redesign the parking, but that's a possibility. We're going to build the terminal there, I thought. So the terminal will be just a little bit further north than that. And they're looking at possibly sharing the parking with the terminal building. And because this is pass-through funding, I'm assuming this is not going to require a lot of our staff time. I mean, it's my understanding that WK Dixon is going to be doing all the administrative work. Basically, we're going to be receiving it in check and our issue in payment and then receiving the check. Is that? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So we'll be coming back to you each time we get a new work authorization for new cost offer a authorized pass through. And so it's really from an administrative burden, it's immaterial. Okay, that's where I want to be sure. And from an operational point of view, whether we're passing it through Markle and his engineering teams, they'll have to go out there and make shirts in the right place. Of course. Not only utility lines and we still have to inspect it and all that. Of course. So there's not any more, it's not like the sports flex for the ballpark, which is what I think you were asking. That is exactly why I'm asking. We stretch thin on most days. We've been stretched thin enough. Exactly. But now the hangar was belong to the city, right? So, the way the airport works, it'd be like a long term lease of the ground. The hanger would be, it would revert back. Am I correct in saying it reverts back? No, it's a 30. You don't mind the museum? I was able to have have a discussion with them, but typically we require that they deed that to us as soon as it's constructed. I was just going to ask questions. I know exactly how the quasi-public private hangers work. I didn't have to do any different relationship with the museum, and it comes at the end, it's relatively immaterial. Since they won't go back to paying rent when it reverts, I wouldn't imagine. Right, that's how it can be set up in multiple ways, but the city has been pretty adamant over the years in stating that you have to deed that property back. The city retains that we don't enter around these. The city retains that will allow you to build and when you build that improvement you have to deed it to the city. Were there any agreement, different strengths involved in our mass disinformation? Benz was a $2 million grant to get it. Again when you're down on the private money they get 20 years for a buck then they go to pay a rent when it reworks. Well we charge a nominal amount even for the ones there. But we but then they go to pay a rent when it reverse. Well, we charge a nominal amount even for the ones there. But we justifies the city that you charge, that we only charge you a very nominal amount because you made the investments. So in effect, you're advertising your outlay over the years. I just want, does the $2 million grant have any stipulations? Is the how the building or the land or the whatever is held? The city has not agreed to any such stipulations. I don't know what they may have seen in the past. And there's not even days since you made $2 million. Right. There's unlike- There's people writing this up, too, but there's unlike- There's a there's a there be behind the day too, I'm sure. But unlike CDBG, which we did, the start of the meeting, which has all the all the contracting requirements, all the hiring requirements, all those things, this is the state capitol improvement fund. So we're going to treat this the same way that the aviation is in receipt the grant. So now they have the money. So they're going to put up the hanger just like clouf for dead. Right. And when the bolt bolt on, it kicks out, it'll end the same way. That's the plan. I know. Did they ask for any ad men fee in the $2 million dollar grant application? The engineering firm WK Dixon is going to be administering this. All I'm going to be doing is just pass through the money. So they'll be doing all the compliance for reporting and that will be paid for out of the $2 million and will be included in future this and future work authorizations. The reason for we're doing this in order for them to capitalize on our relationship with the engineering firm for consistency and quality of work being done out the airport. We've got a long-term relationship with WK Dixon and the airport museum wants to capitalize on that to make sure that they have a good quality process. It'd probably be a fire assessment as well that this to be a dollar is a timeline until next talk's ticking in the museum being comprised of this board of a handful of volunteers or mostly aviation enthusiasts at a joint meeting that they needed this assistance to get this going to piggyback on our relationship with the big digs and the big hand letter that they've gone around town. They came to us and said, we don't know what to say. Pretty much. Yeah. Yes, we had a special airport authority meeting to get all this and running use so we can get going. All right. Motion to approve. Here I move the approved worker authorization and further. Second. Second. Where was the second? Second Mr. Burr. Oh, there's a question. All in favor say aye. Aye. All proposed. Motion can. Excuse me, Debbie, you have Ms. Reef. I'm sorry. The last amendment ordinance for this evening from me is the ordinance to amend the airport improvements fund, which is allocating the funding for work authorization number four as reflecting the pass through grant proceeds and design bid hanger expenditures that will just flow through us. And of course, as I said that each time that there is an additional phase of work done, a new work authorization will come before you guys, which will include design and bid administration services. Therefore, the city of Esperol will not be doing anything time consuming other than Michael. Obviously, like he always does, have to oversee this and make sure the proper adherence to guidelines that he needs to get more free. A record of adoption by reference. All right. I'll entertain a motion to amend the airport improvement fund too. Mayor, I'll make the motion that we amend the airport improvement fund too you as referenced. And the motion of the committee, do I have a second? Okay. I say aye. Aye. All opposed. All right. Thank you, Michael. First, you know the one last time. Yes, sir. This item is a request for authorization to enter into an agreement with Walker Consultants, who would prepare a central business district parking study and strategy. I've included the proposal in the packet this evening. Just highlighting what this study will include. It will be analyzing and evaluating existing conditions. They will evaluate future parking needs, identify recommendations and priorities, and produce a final report. This should take probably about five months to complete. It does include a pretty significant public engagement element, which will be at least one public workshop, stakeholder meetings with folks that we recommend the consultants speak with. There's also some public general serving that will occur. The cost as indicated in the proposal was $60,000. We have worked with the consultant to bring that fee more in line with what we expected from the budget. This study is budgeted within the community development division's budget. So there are no additional funds that are expected to be needed for us to carry out the project. This firm, this is a lot of what they do. We got, we had five proposals from various engineering firms to do a downtown park study. Thank two of them really were specialists in this type of activity. And the study, the selection team that looked at that really felt Walker consultants was the right choice to do this study. So we're asking for authorization to engage with them to begin the study. Well, name recognition alone to speakers. All those other partners come back tell us we need to quit helping. All right. And who are we going to authorize to enter in? Well, Alex, Akigat Mayor. If you give permission. All right. We need a motion to grant the manager permission to extend the traffic agreement with a traffic study agreement with Walker Engineering Water Consultant. Mayor, on move we authorize our city manager to enter into a traffic agreement study with Walker consulted to prep a central business district parking study and strategy. Do I have a second? Second. Second, Mr. Bale. Discussion. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, sir. I need a call on Jeff. You want to do it? Jeff's got some information for us. Yes sir, thank you. This is just a follow-up. At the last meeting you had a discussion and you approved authorization for the city manager on behalf of the municipal corporation. We signed a letter of commitment, a loan commitment that was designed to use the NC Housing Finance Agency to reserve for the applicant who is constructing a memorial square. You dealt with the street closure earlier today. Memorial square to get low-income housing tax credits. You wanted the modification that rather than 2 percent per annum, it was 4 percent, rather than an annual installment payments of principal and interest of 10,000. You wanted that change to 26,000. So those letters, those changes were made. The letter was sent. They have now just recently sent back loan documents for review. So I wanted to give you the update on that. It is progressing. Part of that commitment already stated that you recognize you were going to, the city would be in a subordinate position to make the loan, which would be a loan amount of $650,000 for a 20-year term. At this point, and this is going to be careful, there will be an ordinance coming to you in October from finance to move general operating funds around to fund the closing, closing to find us for the construction loan anticipated to be mid-October. So you'll be asked to vote on that ordinance not tonight, but it's your October regular meeting. In advance of that, there has been a request made that City Legal Council will go through and review the loan documents that have been sent and I don't ever like to give feedback that implies the City Council is going to approve it unless I make sure you're aware of what's going on. You have previously authorized the commitment letter. I have preliminary review, preliminarily reviewed the promissory note and the deed of trust between the City and Memorial Square LLC. It does contain the terms you stated that change interest rate, the change to amount of the annual installment payments. It most definitely though is subordinate because the other instruments that I need to review are subordination agreements. One involves first citizens bank and trust with the construction loan, the first mortgage. That will be an amount of roughly9 million, roughly $9 million, some odd dollars in there. Then later on, there'll be the conversion on a permanent loan, and that will be a Freddie Mac with merchants capital, $2,400,000. City will be subordinate on all of those, but that's consistent with what was in the commitment letter. I want you to alert you that it has progressed, your terms have been incorporated, and I'll make sure there's no objection from the City Council for me going ahead and meeting there, trying to meet their September 16th deadline that they requested of me and the city staff to provide feedback on the tenement, would I provide the technical issues like trustee and things like that or the subordination agreements? And I can tell you all experience indicates that that lending agreement for the construction loan and the Freddie Mac loan they're not really negotiable. It'll just be refinement. But that is the only entity, and separately, they were subordinating to it. So if it does turn into a financial problem, I mean, essentially what you have to do, then is you have to buy it out and resell it yourself if you can protect your position, which City's not necessarily in that business. But under those agreements, they can make payments, the borrowers can make payments to the city until they get into the fault with the superior loans and then it stops that point until you work your way through. You'll end up finding a family barrier. You'll end up finding a barrier. You'll end up finding a barrier. You'll end up finding a barrier. You'll end up doing this like they protest? That's correct. Boy, these times are set up, but they're kind of self-funding when they're subsidized rates so they don't fail. And that's where we do have some other loans and financial arrangements with this entity. If anyone wants to check with the finance office between now in October, you can see how those other arrangements have progressed and where they stand. But that's the update. I'll be happy to answer your questions, and I just not asking for a motion just to make sure there's no objection to me providing as legal counsel feedback on the technicalities of the instruments they propose. If not, we'll move forward. Thank you. That's your only option. I mean, as you say it, but it's not unusual. Right. It's no way to be unusual. I'm under no illusion that there's going to be a lot of change from what we've got as adjustments. Okay. Thank you. but we've got adjustments. Okay. Final Sunday concert is Sunday night at 6 o'clock, to New York, Sylvia. Zoongrass is coming to the sunset theater and that's Wednesday is Ricky Skanks and Kentucky Thunder. Thursday is also a river and Friday is sister Sadie. All seven o'clock I believe Saturday I think. Don't have to're telling you but I believe that's sold out. It's not close. Ricky Staggs is so well. I think they may all I'll chose maybe sold out that it's not it's really close. Saturday 28th. Girl next door is out of Rhinolate. What is that? Or is it big bait? Anybody know? It's not Rhinolate. All right. Take this for those walking ghosts ride. They're probably sold out too. No, there's still some available based on Facebook post. They're close though if you're interested. Yeah. on the They're close though if you're interested Fire rescue is having a memorial ruck Which is a run full gear on September's and that's in honor of 9-11 We missed it Right notice that this day after tomorrow. Oh, that's sad. They is the fifth. Yeah, got it. Sorry. Long day. Elected official, they can make it a hardware house on 3rd September 19th. It says just, Does everybody remember where harvest house is? You guys, you guys been to harvest house, okay. Down in Ram sewer and go out and go and get some people left. We can take the man and if you want to get a group up, we'll just do it under the council. mean you'll do it to council once to. I got another conflict at night so I have to leave early. Yeah I have one to do somebody could drive the plane. We hear centers. We'll figure that out. If anybody wants to ride reach out to Joanne we can get a group up. Okay. There's a whole problem here, I think. I see that in the whole plain, annual flying in is Saturday and September 1st, all day on the Saturday. All Festivals Saturday, one day again, October 4th, from 9 to 6. And the Tamer tree is coming up at Holly Ridge, off on October 3rd, Friday 4th. And Friday pretty much starts at 3rd, that evening. And then goes, wow. I feel like 8 to 1.30 programming. And then, so, tons so I'm not sure. So then again, what do you have hours on Thursday? Thursday, I believe that the dinner is going to start at 6, like with a social, it's either 5 or 6 and then have an hour social time and then dinner. I'm sorry. There's no daytime meeting of thirst. Correct. Correct. It's just the evening. And then Friday morning. Friday morning. And then kind of there'll be a lunch, couple panel presentations, and then some fun stuff in the afternoon. Yeah. Do. Now, May I will report that I know Zettik the Director, Adam Deep did finally receive his house so good. He was on the 23rd hour of the 29th day of the 30-day contract. They got in under the wire. So 55 minutes to spare. 55 minutes, yep. So he's in good shape. And I think you did the group did ask for RSVPs that they come for people to come, right? Yes. The registration has been in the Chamber Newsletter on one website. If you haven't registered reach out to Kelly or to Joanne or to the folks at the or Adam at the Chamber, but they did, it's a good way to get him going to, he's, I've had a couple of meetings with him. He's really, he's really working hard and he's, he's, I mean, a lot of people are here if we take him to the beach, he's swimming forward. So he's, so I just want to commend the team for hiring him and then he's really taking to Ashburce that is quite exciting. I don't know anything else. I just married the council look on your calendar. We met very early this month. Usually when that happens, we meet very next late. So we're October 10, right Holly? So we meet the last day possible of October. So there'll be a little stretch in here. You'll seem like we're supposed to have a meeting, but they'll actually be a week later. So what about our capital projects update? What are we going to do? Michael and Debbie and are finishing going to do and Debbie and Are finishing up their program and we know some people are going to be out of town you notified us so as a specialist We would shoot for sometime in middle of October to get that to you We're going to tight schedule with the state to because we promise we'd get it to them We start moving dirt on the Trade Street project a little bit today or yesterday, there at the hotel site for the dumpsters. We get all the dumpsters fixed up before we can actually get off the street, get that red barn. It's not a question of what we're doing with the red barn. We're gonna scrap it. How could this be a crime? It's using it. The tan collector, 2000. I don't think it'll be, but yeah. That's saying, that could be a mark. That's saying, be a thing, be. All right. Come on, just go this way. OK. Just real quickly. Just congratulations again to Trevor. Very excited for the city and excited for you. And just really happy about that, particular move. Also want to thank police department and fire and rescue for everything that they did for President Trump's visit, being at national night out, everything that you do on our community every day. And I don't even think about not being able to look down the table and see you. So instead, I'm going to take great comfort and knowing that you're still going to be in a round just in a different way. And I'm glad we're going to have lots of time to celebrate you. And the reason you got emotional is because your heart is this community. Your heart is this community and you've done it for 20 years. And it still will be. It still will be. But this community means a lot to you. You can tell it and everything that you do. And you mean a lot to us. So I look forward to celebrating you. Thank you. Charlie. I will echo tell you to come in echoing. Bayon knows a tough city for you, but not one job for to tell you to come in and echo in this room. Yeah, yeah. Bayon knows a tough city for you, but not when John for you. I got to say, I will tell everybody in the room, John and I have had a pact that we would probably finish our terms at the same time, but John got charred waiting. That promised you 25, 2025. It was great, great, proud of you. I'm going to Charlotte Saturday, Walker and Joey. I'm all in. I'm all wolf pack it was pretty ugly the other night but you got your purple town tonight I don't know Joe might win until about half time. I was sure. I remember I'm starting the fourth quarter. So Martha got a new top today. New World Pack top. So she's all in too. So we'll see how it goes. I'm constantly reminded though, after 20 sees, I was in love for season tickets. There were every dollar we spent was worth it, but now it's not in a rear view mirror. I apologize for getting emotional while I go. Thank you. Congratulations. And congratulations, and forever. Change the, change the spine. Well, heck, you have to me down here crying too, so I Appreciate you and all you've done for our city and people ask me about you And I've always said you are the hardest working mayor I've ever known It's me being a mayor one time. I know You did you Hardworking fell you you put the city's interest before you. I was changing 100 years since you were mayor. 100 years ago. But I aged well. They got to streets pay now. They do. They're all school. They pay for all you do. And congratulations Trevor to you. And again, okay. I've never been so happy after we lost. But my cat-and-mouse looked really good last Thursday night, but I mean, my fat boys up front finally got worn out, but a big strong boy's on their front line. If they beat a half, I'm gonna come back in the house. But what I'm gonna play is, I'm gonna have to play as an equal. I'm gonna play as an equal. All right, Bill. I was just going to say I was walking down Saturday afternoon at the zoo city and it was really nice down there. The yards have been moved and you can look up on the hill, you can see all the soccer players and their uniforms playing on every field. And so I was just going to congratulate Seanathan. He's not here as he's not. We're pulling that off. And because I know there was a lot of work to that. And so it was really nice. Very 4000 kids down there. That about. Hey, yep. I think we had 4000 kids in over the two days. 95 teams. Every hotel room was booked. I'm 10th grader spot. Can't pronounce spots. If you went to the mall, it was a sea of color in there. I've suffered jerseys. So it's exciting. I remember this time when I've been, and I do the plea with it. Get back Jacks and told them ahead of time. I asked Alisa and Addy to tell everybody so when I was having my Saturday lunch I got kicked back jacks. I didn't get you didn't tell us. I remember it this time. We were not. By the way, Thanksgiving's coming, I saw more wild turkeys down there. Oh, yeah. And I was coming, I saw more wild turkeys down there. So, old plumpins of the day. When I was walking the trail, the turkeys came out on the trail. And it was like they weren't going to get off the trail, they just run a little bit, wait for me. I was scared of it. I go, go, go, go, go. And I'm amazed. You go down there and walk into the beautiful trail, turkeys, and the creek. I mean, it's just, you know, we're all to be proud of it. And I know we are. But I went down Monday afternoon, like 4 o'clock maybe. And all the pickleball courts were taken. There were people actually out on the beach volleyball playing. I play them in the sand but playing beach volleyball. Playgrounds look like it couldn't handle another two or three people. We've been nice, we've been nice, we've been nice, we've been nice, we've been nice, we've been nice, we've been nice, we've been nice, we've been nice, we've been nice, we've been nice, We don't have a paint round nose for people wanting more. And we can do paint some of the tennis courts. Jonathan Hiss and that Brett Gruper have working on that, which you have to see how to do it. We've got two tennis courts in North Ashford doing that. That's the end panel took a moment. And that's under the bat. And well as building a taken up to the Big Spotty Ball at Memorial and building a pit there. So Jonathan and Jimmy will be coming. Let's start adding some about the time the fade. And then you have the fat little boy. And we're going to be away. Joey, congratulations Trevor. Thank you. And congratulations to you too. Thank you. Appreciate everything you've done. Well, I like it with time to announce so that anybody that's interested can start making their plans. Is nobody interested? I mean, you come back? I said many times that the wrong people run for the wrong reasons. You'll have to run it. I may have to run you. But I can tell you, somebody said, well, why don't you run for council? That wouldn't be fair to the new mayor. Yeah, I will not do that. So, but it's been fun. I got another year to my farewell tour. All right. Thanks everybody for being here and being patient with us tonight. This was the longest one in recent memory. I'm like last month. Well, we were out of here before we were in the 15th. Well, on behalf of the staff, we appreciate the Council's hard work. We know that sunset Avenue case was not a little too busy case. There was two planning board on it, so there's a panel board in the here. Obviously, the staff worked as hard as we could to get it as close as we could into what the Council wanted. Ultimately, I guess the developer takes the risk. We'll just be aware and work to protect those folks on the little street. The best. We put an ordinance in and we'll have to figure it out as we progress. But our charge always has to be what's best for the greatest number of people and both safety and it's like- In right- In right- In right- In right- In right- In right- In right- In right- In right- In right- In right- I mean, there's a multi-dimensional problem with Mark Carcell's end. Well, that's pretty going to start on that muddy. What would the high end for a restriction have done for the parking? Get out of that foot. Get out of that foot. Kennedy, me, that's up in the air. I'll clean the ball last part of the footage. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Um, and we have to, we, we, we had now the fire site. We had a hand in force in that, is we? Well, the, whether the right or wrong hands were to come about tonight. Yeah, we, we had a hand in that. If we're going to grow more urban, then we better get more urban. All right. I said in my piece. Chief, thanks for being here tonight. Thank you so much, sir. 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