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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That's wonderful. Christmas. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, we are. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I see. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm I'm going to have to do my leave invite. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I know I'm waiting for mine to be told. I need to get out. I'm going to get a little. You listen to me here. You are. There's a bracket in the, uh, or the run for schools. Yeah, yeah. And busy with lunch, been to do that. Yeah. That's a good idea. It's pretty additives. Uh, it's pretty lazy about sleeping in the morning. Yeah. Okay. You got a set. We got a set of 75. You got a set of 75? Yeah. Oh, remember sleep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Right. It was an end call. The more neck. Yeah, exactly. Well, everyone. We've all to order. It's seven or three. And the first. The name item is new business. If you like the. So this happens the first meeting after the break every year. First meeting item is new business if you left a call. So this happens the first meeting after the break every year. And our first thing is to see if we can have any nominees for chair. Good. So what's your problem? I'll be right back. I'm going to see you in the next slide. I'm going to see you in the next slide. I'm going to see you in the next slide. I'm going to see you in the next slide. I'm going to see you in the next slide. I'm going to see you in the next slide. I'm going to see you in the next slide. I'm going to see you in the next slide. I'm going to see you in the next slide. So we're holding for any nominations for chair. Not only Charlie, but her. Second. Right. And now I will be glad to do it. Anybody else wants to do it? I will be glad. I think that he can do it. Any discussion? If Charlie is willing to do it, I think that's a no-bredder given his experience. You're okay, Charlie, you want to do anything, right? So we'll put a vote out from Charlie for Chair. And you'll call a role. So if you have any of the vote members,, you have any of us the vote members? No. Good job. Good job. Good job, Spatio. Yeah. All right. It was huge door to the time. So. There you go. Welcome. We have a non-native for Charlie for Chair. Sorry. Sorry. So we are on voting. So we'll go. That's what. Brandon. Yeah. Okay. Sharon, anyone? You can share it. I'm sorry. Yes. You go with your go. All right. Everyone is not going right. And you usually stay. I'll say. Charlie. Here. Yes. Yes. Michael. Yes. Thank you. All right. Charlie's chair. Thank you. All right. Charlie's chair. floor. Thanks for your time. Thanks for your time. I asked him the vice chair in the last two years. And it's not here tonight. Big set of stuff. Can we do it this year? I don't know. We can read. I don't know. I don't know. I think we should acknowledge what we do at the next meeting. Everybody up to any more. I think so. I'd like to. To free. I think you just have the most experience. I don't think so. Yeah, that makes sense. We're in nomination. Yes, on makes sense. For your nomination. Yes, I'm going to do it. Do I hear a second? Second. Second. I'm going to do a bill. I'm sorry, this is a bill of second. Okay. Any discussion? Do you know what this call will call? Okay. Bill. Yeah. Brendan. Sharon. Yes. Jared. Jerry, Michael, Charlie. Yes. All right. Another year moving on to our second kind of business or third, I can receive a colored potential or board member potential. So we have some written ones I can read and get them on the record. Okay. Neither read or some lives. So first is from Vice Chair, Judge Rotter. I decided to send a note, some folks that you wanted read at the meeting. So they are recording the support court use. First is asking why a decision was made to post 304 pick the ball courts at Cherry Street rather than closing sub number evenly across all courts. Wasn't analysis to support this decision, waste testing, et cetera. And how will this impact your increase the use of other courts? Second bullet is while expanding the number of pickable courts at the community centers, a good idea given this is currently unfunded and there's no projected timeline. I don't think we should be closing any of about courts at the community centers. A good idea given this is currently unfunded and there's no projected timeline. I don't think we should be closing any of the courts at Cherry Street until we can show that we can absorb the demand elsewhere. And the last bullet is, why did we decide to get acoustic fencing for only one court and not all of them? Why that court? What kind of analysis was conducted to support this decision is the noise impact there greater than that other course and how was that measured. So I came from Jenna and then Charles I have an email from you. Would you like us to read that or did you want to know anything? Exactly. You can go ahead and read it or summarize it or I can summarize it. Be happy to do that too. Okay. Yeah. Go ahead. Well, why don't we wait until we get to that issue? If you're gonna talk directly, let's wait until we get that issue. But if you don't feel the need to talk, she can read it as a comment. I can wait till that issue. That's all the great comments. Well, all of this, so hold on, you're coming up quickly. Okay, word, sport for use. Okay. Again, this was an issue that was blocked before us last meeting in July. We had a lot of work done in game chain shooting on the interim. So can you bring forward up to date as to what's happened since July? Yes. So this two major challenges when it comes to sport court use. The first is that they're just very popular and residents are having hard time getting courts especially during time and the second challenge is the noise that it limits. So to the first point I'm going to talk a bit about it and what our plans are and then we kind of talk on the second point. So a little bit of the background is we have 12 tennis courts, six up at Meridian, which are dual use. So those six started to call pick-a-ball courts from the pick-a-ball. They are available to us when the school is not in session. So we get them after four o'clock on school days. We get them weekends during the spring season. We don't get them until 7 p.m. So that's a lot of popular pride time that we do lose there. We also close them for major events like tomorrow night is a back to school night. And they're using show buses for mer for audience of the big post tomorrow night They're being closed for you know the tailgate next Friday night. So there's a couple of closures there Then we have the two courts here at the community center and the two courts at Cavalier and the two courts at cherish Cherry Street Cavalier and North Cherry Street currently dual as four pick-up all courts. The community center court is one tennis and one pick-up all court on the tennis court. With all of those courts, residents still can't get courts, especially during prime time use. So what we are trying to do is a few things. The first is that the residents are staying up until midnight to get courts and even at midnight logging in at 12 o'clock and by 12 o'clock one the court time there. And by that you need to reserve court. So you're not just playing with this. As a follow-up to the city, yes. You can only reserve courts if you are a city resident. So first is to stop midnight being the time. That was when courts worked that in demand. Most people would actually just call the office the next day and put their court in and was fine. So that we are changing, likely make it like an APM or something like that. The other thing we, SAP, doesn't think this is the issue, but just insured it's not, is trying to get a capture on a transaction. So when you are in WebTrack, if you do a financial transaction, you have to do a capture. Make sure you're a real person. When you book a tennis court, because there's no dollar value to it, you don't have to do a catch up. So we're looking to see if we can add that so that we make sure that there's no bots taking courts at midnight. The other big court use is these social media groups that I think a lot of folks are familiar with. Social media groups are wonderful on one hand. Folks are outside, they're exercising, they're socializing, they're building community. Folks are really enjoying them, they're great benefits of those that are participating in it. Unfortunately, they're also taking up a lot of court space and it's by a lot of non-city residents and our courts are for city residents. So our effort here is to rewrite our rules, specifically prohibiting any sort of meetup and the wording, I don't have that on my head, but it's something along the lines of, you know, you cannot advertise our courts on social media. You can't just invite anybody, who's anybody that you don't even know will play on our courts. So there's a balance there, right? Because there are residents participating in this and they're getting that benefit. And that's exactly what we want people to out and join themselves, getting to share, exercising, socializing. So we do offer some wonderful long years so open play programs that you have to sign up for your electricity resins to participate in. So by providing that, you know, we're hoping that that doesn't impact the city resins as much that are participating in these social endeavors. Because we want to still provide the opportunity, we just want to do it in a way that's not taking all the court space that we have, and it's being primarily exclusively, say, your answers. So that's what we're planning on doing there. What else we have to report. Once all that is in play, we'll have permanent rules that will go up, new rules, an email we can follow, roster of everyone that's reserved to court. So what we'll do is follow over for everyone that's reserved for us in the last year, kind of explain why we're doing this, what the goal is, how you can join the open clubs, and then we really start cracking down on it. So until that is in place, this is helpful and we'll reach out to folks, but we don't really have something yet telling folks that they can't advertise on social media or any of those platforms. I mean, I think you're up for moments that what she's referring to is that on September 21st, the social media group has advertised that there is a pot family day pickable at the two cherry tree courts potluck. I'm sure there will be a lot of people who are there and again I think that it is not necessarily that we're saying no pickleball and we don't want people to feel like we're against pickleball, but there has to be a reasonable usage of the courts, especially those that, but those courts that are in residential areas. The years of error for the record and full of chat ads. State your name. The rest go 120 North. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. So I addition to the permanent rules, there will be key asks. Next to them, we will kind of have Marvart Upper Resignage. So it will say, you know, we have contracts. You know, we use courts, right? We book them and some of the kind of it's pride time so we're booking them for our own lessons kind of sort of pick a ball or senior program that means four times a week our open play when there's many things going on so we're booking our courts too so the kiosk will kind of know that this courts never going to be available on a Tuesday night from seven to ten this courts never going to be available on Tuesday night from the 7 to 10. The score's never going to be available. These days, who are authorized for instructors are. So you can only be teaching lessons on course if you are an authorized instructor with us. So those will be kind of the temporary signage that will be in the key ask that will swap out as the season's changed. But that is our goal for making course more accessible to the residents. And Daniel will talk a little bit more about our plans on the policy on the court use. Yeah, so thank you, Amy. Amy kind of talks about kind of the nuts and bolts and some of the things that are a little more concrete in their things. We can put in place and try to help make this the best possible scenario for everybody involved, both the residents and whatever. I've got the opportunity to talk about some of the unknowns and some of the things that we don't have exacts about. And those are the things that staff have really been kind of discussing and resting with, we've talked with some of our people ball enthusiasts, the ambassadors, is a word we've used. Some of the volunteers we work with, we've obviously had some conversations with some of the residents that are closest to the courts. There's clearly an issue that we need to work with. First thing I can tell you is we're not gonna find a perfect solution. It's not gonna be everybody's completely happy and everybody walks away. But what we'd like to do is find the best possible scenario that kind of gives everybody a little bit of what the noise and the ability to play if you want to play some pickleball. So I'm going to get a little bit more into what some of our plans are. And when I say plans, they are still very much concepts. So I'd like to run that by the board, but hoping staff can continue to work on these things. And one of the reasons why we're going to have the P-OST at these courts as opposed to putting permanent sciences is that we've already spent thousands of dollars a year on these permanent science, and they're not very permanent. They last a couple of months and the rules change, we grip them down. So part of our goal is to, and so let me back up a little bit. When we first started with pickleball, it was a very happy occasion. The courts are being used together. It's been a long time since we had to worry about tennis courts and the usage of them. To a point where I think I mentioned this in the previous meeting, we almost had an item on an agenda seven years ago, six years ago, saying that what should we do with it in one of our tennis courts? They're not being used enough. We should convert it to something else. Thank goodness we didn't do that. The courts are being used and being used and being used. So when those pickleball, the decisions came for pickleball was before some of the situations that had arisen throughout the region really came about. And I said, well, a perfect scenario would be for us to remember the tennis players, keep one court basically for tennis only, and convert some pickle ball courts and go from there and what a wonderful recreational opportunity. Little did I know about all the noise and all the possible scenarios that would happen the next day. You know, you start reading about what's happening in the time of Yana or in Annandale or over in Arlington and so that was quite alarming and quite surprising. One of the questions specifically asked in June was could we look at what the other jurisdictions are doing to try to solve this issue. I think the two large jurisdictions, Fairfax and Arlington have come up with a pretty sound decision in that they're gonna move everything pickable related to areas of their county that are not highly residential. Period, just move them out into certain areas. They also have multi-million dollar budgets that they can start creating new courts and they have land that they already own that they can build these courts on wouldn't that be wonderful the smaller jurisdictions Vienna city of Fairfax city of Falls Church It seems like they're all coming up with specific ways to kind of deal with what they have to deal with within their own little area The end is is one of the most complicated solutions, but they also have a few things that we don't have right now. They have park rangers where they can actually go out, monitor, check certain things, lock courts up if they need to. That would be additional cost to what we would do. City of Fairfax is claiming that they haven't been hit by the problem as much so far. But those jurisdictions don't have a perfect scenario where they can move all the courts into certain areas. We've been very fortunate, as Amy mentioned, to gain six courts at Meridian, if you remember, previously the old school had four. So that would have already cut you know to to more courts off and the fact that that school is in a non-residential area the noise isn't bothering anybody certainly after school hours let them play and as long as we're doing our due diligence the school's hopefully will continue to be a good partner in that and we'll let that happen. It's still not enough. So I realize that we made a mistake in deciding which courts should have them. Cherry Street without question has the residents are the closest to the courts. There's no question about a cabalier and Terry Hill are not ideal. I will say that right now they're not ideal, but there is some space at both of those locations in a good amount of additional space for what they're in the Terry Street. So the original, the original thought process was that we needed as many courts we've got, and that's been proven true. With the amount of use we get, I don't want to reduce at this point. So what my current recommendation is, and again, it's conceptual, would be that we kind of flip what we've done at LEAF Cavalier as it is. Four courts take Cherry Street and in Cherry Hill, all-con community center courts and the Cherry Hill courts, and flip what we've done. Just move, did I say Cherry Hill and community center, Cherry Street and community center, and put four pick-up all courts at the community center courts, as they're designed currently at Cherry Street and at Cherry Street leave only one in the furthest corner up near the entrance that would be as far as we can get from the residences. And some of that is in talking to some of the other folks that live on the street that really enjoy the pickleball experience that it would just be one court they couldn't have these massive heatups, things like that. So a few other things I'd like to point out is I'd like to continue to do this if we can. It is friendly of matters we can. I do believe people can get along. We can figure this out, put the right rules in place. We might have to tweak the hours a little bit. We have done so a little bit over it. The Cherry Street courts, I'd like to make our courts as much consistency as we can. We've got some ideas in place. But flip those courts. We've already asked for some quotes to do that. Unfortunately, they came back a lot higher than I expected. So we don't have current funding for that. We'll get into that a little bit more. But it would give us the ability to ease some of the burden on those folks that literally you can you can walk 10 steps from there. Not just their property line but their actual physical improvements on that property to the courts and it's right there. So that is the conceptual idea and we're hoping to kind of put some of those pieces together. The cost is going to be a bit of an issue. We don't have enough funding to find it anywhere within our budget. We have to work with our finance department potentially on the City Council. If there's a budget amendment coming up that would allow that, or they could have to wait until January of January July next year with next year's operating budget. So that's not a scared thing. I'm just telling you how that could end up working. The idea of the big other piece would be that we've got these volunteers that are willing to go out. We'll continue to have these open pickable groups. We're going to move as many of them as we can up to the Meridian campus. We'll move as many of our programming as we can up there as well. Open these courts up for the city residents. The one area where I have a little more absolute is we are absolutely going to have to crack down on some of the social media startup groups. There's just we just don't have the capacity. It's not like we're unwelcoming that these courts are maintained by the city paid for by the city residents and for the city resident, not to be able to play tennis or pick a ball while someone's coming in who doesn't even really know where these courts are, no anybody there. It's different if Joe Smith was to invite his brother from just over the line or in Fairfax somewhere to come hit some tennis balls or play some pickleball than it is to put on social media. Anybody and everybody come out and play, bring your family, bring your friends, bring your dogs and animals and all the food you have in the house that's out of party. Which sounds great and we're in the recreation business, so it sounds wonderful, but it doesn't really work if fit within what we need to try to accomplish in this current task. So that is kind of our concept. It's not going to happen immediately. We're trying to put some of the pieces together. We can certainly start with the signage and the the kiosks and start giving some information, start looking in some of the pieces. The small nuances of just our software program is we still haven't gotten absolute as to how we changed the the the registration time from midnight to 8 p.m. 10 we put the different pieces in place to make it to where someone says, yes I'm a human can we do some of those things we haven't even got to that point and we've been working with them we're trying to get there as quickly as we can. So with that I think it's probably time to allow for some of those folks that are here that want to... Why don't we see a good thing about that? Yeah, that's not the board first. I hope I touched on it. I have a few... are we looking to change the reservation system the way it is regarding open play and reservations and how it's set up now, just from my understanding, Meridian has half their courts or elevation, half the courts open play. Is there a movement to change that at all? I think the reservation process will remain the reservation process. If you want to go play a game of football with a group of friends, you can reserve the court for either an hour or an hour and a half depending on what you're doing and go up there and play. Open play is going to be only be done within specified time frames when we have a volunteer that's going to be willing to be there and kind of keep an eye on the monitor, the city resident and things like that. We have no intention of just saying it's wide open to anybody that wants to come and play and have their bill. It currently has not been played. Two, what's causing the cost to be so high? Forgive my question. What was the cost? Yeah, because... Yeah, so the cost of converting the... So at Cherry Street, we were told by the contractor that the only way that they're going to be able to thoroughly get rid of the eyes that are there is two full coats of paint on the entire surface. that way with what we were told. I was thinking you could walk out there with a small roller. I was thinking I was going to be out there with a small roller. It came over those lines. It's not going to work that way. When you get to that point, we're at three years since we've redone all the courts and there's some small cracking going on. We should go ahead and go through our annual, sorry, try annual every three years, four years, five years, depending on how other nature's been treating the courts and get these done. So that 30,000 is actually the lowest end. It'd be just having the contractor come up, paint over the old lines, repaint new, all the tennis slides back, the new lives back, come over here and paint. So community center, it's $800 or $1,000 to put the Pickleball lines on. Not that much. Cherry Street, it's several fouls of zoos that you can just take away. And that's the one and say, using the corner. I think if we leave the Pickleball lines out there, people carry on their backs, that's it. And they'll carry generators and lights and turn them on. I mean, it's crazy, but in the end, I'm exaggerating a little bit, but not a whole lot. They definitely carry that. If we leave the lines out there, it's going to continue to be used. Well, I would say, I know we're, you know, we're going to turn-term the long term. Like, that's such something you can do. I agree. People expect to have the NES. I agree. And some other people who go to the courts who expect to have NES, they don't have NES on their own. They'll have to go out there and lie the more upon them. Right. That would be pretty cool. Yeah, we can certainly do that. I'd like to be able to, in fact, I asked Jimmy if we can schedule a time to go out and take a look at all these courts and see if the cracking started very much. If it is, then I need to really start thinking about the process of getting into our budget to make sure we can go out and read to all these courts. Short-term sure, which means that now we're going to put a lot of these courts in still a little bit of a holding pattern whether or not people are going to be out there bringing their own ass things like that. Are there other questions you're having? Would you go about cracking now on a social media aspect? That seems like it. So so far they've been pretty helpful in getting these things out. We're starting to learn who they are. We know specifically two of the groups. We can get onto their website, look at it. And the first thing we would do is try to contact someone if they have a contact number. Talk to them directly. Tell them that what you're doing is no longer acceptable, no longer fits the rules of our fourth ones. We make those rules. We still got to come up with that. You know, it's just that we're, it's kind of ways we can, the other thing we can do is the minute that they reserve those courts are they they announce the dates two weeks in advance. We can set those courts aside reserved that for something else. When they get there, they're not there just to begin with. So they're going to they're going to buy a whole bunch of people to support this pool. We don't bother that. That's the second question. That's the correct answer. To just say, here's the, what? Well, if we talk to them and they hold them, and they already use, we could put locks on the gates and tell them this was not something that I don't like any you know I forgot to wait and so and I think once those groups start realizing that we're serious about it they're gonna have to stop announcing two weeks in advance so they can't even they don't have the mechanism to reserve those groups so I don't know exactly. Not only city resident is that why they came to us? They've got people in their groups that are city residents, but you can't do it two weeks in advance. The best you can do is 24 hours. And we're hoping to change that to 30 hours in advance. I also add the local players are good enough setting it to us. So we get lots of emails. That's fine. We've printed this more as we get this stuff from players all the time. So I hate it. Check out this one. Check out this one. So it matters that clarification on what this year first may have been. I think. Yeah. So if the one tennis court remains with this net, and that would be a tennis only, no pickleball, with the lines of a tennis court, right? With no pickleball lines. So is there any way to designate on the surface, once you're going to do all of this painting and renovation? Is there any way in the bark in the near court on the surface to say, no pickleball, tennis tennis only and add that as one of the criteria that prevents people from coming on to the court of a tennis court and bringing either their own nets or bringing their and saying well you know we'll just line the court's assets with some tape. You see what I'm saying? And so if you have something on the surface of the court itself, perhaps that could... My initial reaction is that they're going to go to that extreme. They're not going to care what we say on that court, whether or not they're applicable. True. But at least the rule is that rule. And at least someone can say, look, I know you don't read the signs, but the court says flat out no pickable ball tennis moment. But something to just think of. My initial thought would be that a while we posted in the key Oscar on the gate and the signs initially. And then, you know, if we have to, if this continues and we have to, then we'll have to tighten things up a little bit as we move along. The courts are all numbered, right? They are. So you can sign on the gate, you could be pick a ball, no pick a ball on court to write out what the number in this law has systems. And then if that makes sense, that doesn't work. Well, I don't have a sign of it. Right, you're not. We're going to have so much signage. So do you know what's going to happen on this? Like, is this canceled or is this going to happen? Well, that's right. I guess that's what they've advertised. They have no reservation that are used each other. So I think what Danny says is we're going to block that off for open play or whatever you want. So when they try to reserve it, they're not going to be able to make a reservation. But do they reserve it reserve it, they're not going to be able to make a reservation. But do they research? Well, they do. And so typically when they find that it's reserved, to this point, we just did a quick test one time and just went in and reserved it. And they immediately called off there of that now. In my mind, the next step is they're going to find out that nobody's out there. Anyway, so they're going to come anyway. And then we'll have to, you know, and the other challenges there is we block it off and no other resonance can actually. Right. Now we're just, the resonance can use it either. So that would just block them. Ideally, we're going to get a hold of somebody and tell them, hey, you know, this is a great idea that you have going on. really it's really it's not conducive to what we're trying to put you as I we discussed earlier you and I did you're also going to set up a program I thought where just like preserving cherry Hill for our picnic you're gonna create a process so somebody can reserve two courts and pay X amount of dollars and have them like this but it's gonna require a reservation just like any other Park in the city So we actually already have in place Special event type application for pickleball tournaments events things like that Those will occur up at merdy in high school We're not going to prove those at the other courts So we will People want want to do that. And there's a fee. And I do it. They are able to do it. We're not going to cut them out. But it'll be under the circumstances like preserving any other facility. We have, I have to command that, pay that, they have to sign in number four. And we will share that information when we reach out to them. Okay. We've got some work to do. I think there's a, we're hoping to write a letter from the department explaining to everybody what our goals are, what we're trying to achieve and how we're going about that and then making sure that folks understand what is an acceptable reservation, what is not acceptable and start working there? Any other questions? Danny, could I jump in for just a second? That's wrong. Sure. I had sent a letter in yesterday. So I needed a two 15 north charge street. I bought this house about 35 years ago and I've spent a lot of effort making a great house on a great street. The tennis courts have been next door actually since the early 1960s. I grew up here. I played on those tennis courts most of my life. This has been a great place to live. I love having the tennis courts by play some tennis. When the pickleball court started, we accepted it because it was a new thing. It was during the pandemic. And we sort of have a happy face. We are the closest residents to any pickleball court in the City of Falls Church. And as time has gone by, we're no longer accepting of the Pickleball because of the crowds and the noise. So on an evening or on the weekend, they're easily 16 people playing with another in many cases, 16 people waiting. I think the simple question would be that I would ask anybody on board is, would you allow a pickable up court to be built next to your house tomorrow? And I think most people would say no. And so pickables are great sport. I like pickable. I play pickable, but not next to established residential houses in a place that has never had to contend with the kind of noise and crowds. So Danny, I like your suggestion of pairing the pickable down to one court. I mean, I think that's that's a reasonable compromise. But I just want the board to know that. In my neighborhood. I don't have a lot of neighbors who. Think the sound and the disruption and the crowds of pickleball. Is a good thing. So I don't want there to be this false. Impression that. People that are most impacted by pickleball. Are. a good thing. So I don't want there to be this false impression that people that are most impacted by pickleball are fine with the noise and fine with the disruption in the crowds. They're not. When pickleball came to North Cherry Street, none of us were asked by the city what we thought about that. And I think that in retrospect that was a mistake and that's unfair. Like you got to ask people when you're when you're putting kick-a-ball next to somebody's house what they think and is that okay. So in my family we don't spend any time in the yard anymore. We don't spend time on our screen reports anymore. And my kids, two of which are in high school, don't want to be in the yard because there are tons of people playing pickleball. And the noise of pickleball is loud. Last weekend, there was a tennis, one of the tennis courts was being played by tennis. The other two were pickleball. It's kind of interesting. When you hear the pickleball in the woods, you no longer hear the sound of the tennis ball. I could not hear the sound of the tennis ball because the pickleball takes over. I love the sound of the tennis ball, by the way. Anyway, I just want to let the board know how we feel and I hope that there can be a resolution that promotes pickleball and false church. It's a just me, it's all around me. I appreciate the time and the ability to put you in a book. We're thinking I appreciate you guys trying to find a remedy because it's not easy. Thank you. Thank you. Any other other questions? I have a couple of comments. I know we discussed the lighting situation and the authenticity of it and the timing of it. I'm curious to see whether you were thinking about changing when the lights were going to cut off. So, Cherry Street, there's no lights. Here and Cavalier, we have complete control. And we have already reduced the hours a little bit over at Cavalier. We have not done so here. And so let me tell you, the lights, the tennis, everything ends at 10 o'clock. We always used to leave the tennis lights on for at least 15 minutes over a Cavalier just so it doesn't go pitch black on you while you're trying to finish up that last game or whatever. Now where the lights are going off at 10 o'clock? Are we even the basketball court lights on for a few minutes in order to try to help them? That was our original goal. I don't know if we accomplished that but was the tennis lights go off. The basketball court likes to stay out and give you enough light to get out of there safely, but they're going off at 10 o'clock. Here I believe we're still keeping them on until 10, 15, just to kind of go off. We can continue to, if need be, reduce them down. Cavaliers, 10, 10, Jerry, go to the center. Then I was, like I think this was mentioned in one of the things that was written earlier, the acoustic blankets, sound day, thing blankets. Yeah, I'm glad to brought that up. I'm curious to have one, how expensive those are to, how effective they are. They're expensive. I don't know the effectiveness of them. I've been talking with the Arons in County Director of Recreation, and she was telling me that they're just starting to put them in. Amy can remind me the extent that I don't remember. I had read online that they were spending something like $120,000 to do you know the noise dampening on Pickleball courts and it struck me at the time because I was like $120,000 is like the city budget contribution to like a affordable housing. Right? So like just in terms of scale and cost, so kind of just expectations around. Where you're moving people to, should you kind of, if you're going to be doing, you know, more expensive improvements in order to try to do noise dampening, do you want to funnel more people to a single location and invest in a single location versus having pickable, like to still have one pickable court on Cherry Street? Like I don't know, versus not having to pick a ball on Cherry Street. Like it's just that question of where does it make sense and where can you get people to and maybe remove them from residential areas instead of the problem, just kind of moving if it's gonna be more people than until 10 o'clock in the night somewhere else, right? I'd like to learn a lot more about the effectiveness of them. I've also already come across any founded media piece that talked about how much the neighbors hated the new acoustic pieces. It basically now the lady described it as I used to have a set of tennis courts in my backyard. Now I have a black box. And I'm also sure that our police department public safety folks are not going to be happy if we box in our tennis courts. So the safety of it, there's a lot of reason so far that acoustic stuff in my mind would be a very last resort and so while we go through this other stuff, I'm not going to spend a lot of time on that until I see there's a reason to do it. Do you remember the cost of the wall? It was 17,000 just to do the great fall side of Cherry Hill. Just one fourth of the fourth 17 miles. I would like to add that if anyone doubts or you get feedback from people who say I saw the same mother USA guy said people pick a ball you should be a pick a ball from here and you would find it be a great opportunity. And I'm saying this out that you have ever said, has Charlie said, we don't sit in our backyard in the afternoon. It starts at 10 o'clock in the morning and it continues well after 8 o'clock, which is the deadline for you, because there's light. It doesn't get dark in the summer until almost nine. So that noise level is you can't even have a conversation. That's how close our home is, Charlie's home is. And so the solution or the consideration that you've shown in this issue is greatly appreciated from our perspective. We are literally 10 feet away. And so, you know, I invite anyone who doubts how difficult this is and how hard it is to enjoy our backyard during the height of the time that people are on. And they're on there exactly at 8 o'clock in the morning and exactly at 10 o'clock or whenever it is. And it is in and could I sell my home at this junction if nothing changes? I don't think it's possible. I'm going to leave the area. Probably can. Yeah. I got $100,000. I don't think we'll have to make it up. Can I say a couple things? Sure. Number one, can you double-check me? Peter, could you put it in your address? 343-100. I am just so thankful that Pickleball is around and in the city. I'm thankful for the fact that you guys have been pushing to put it up at Meridian, because I think that's a great space for us to use. I think that it's a multi-generational, amazing support but I recognize the fact that it is the news. And I pushed, I think I was one of the people that mentioned Get Off the Charistry with Pickleball. Because I think it's way too close to other people. I think that Kabatir Trail might be a question as well, but I think right now it's great. And I think these courts here moving there, I think it's a great compromise for the community. It's, we did some work over acts, doing so part for their wind streams, and we got, we helped raise money for that, and it wasn't exorbitant because it wasn't covering the whole thing. And I don't think over here you want to cover that whole thing. You probably want to do one wall, take it off, if we get to that hole. So I think the process you guys are going through here is amazing for your constituents. So I really appreciate that. I do have some suggestions along with this becoming four-pick wall cords, cherry-street, couch, you know, no pickle walk-words, I would say. And then, Cavalier Trail four-pickle walk-words. It's marina as I took a board member up there last week and a kind of tour of how open play works is we are held to a standard that people who just show up there are not. So this is kind of different. This is a different level of conversation. Stop necessarily where I pick a walk to those. Just a strategy to think about like if we have these open play opportunities where we get reserved courts for our people and then you go there's six of them which is amazing. We've got all these people showing up and it's awesome. And right and ready. You've got to make any noise that I've been here. And then the other side, there's another six quarters. Those people are not held to the same standards of that it's people showing up. So whether or not you want those people from outside of the city, they're coming and no one's holding them accountable. My thought is whenever we can, that whole place is probably the biggest outdoor facility full of pickle ball in the area as much as we can open that thing up. And I know that's scary to some people, but it's what's happening in Arlington and its people are monitoring themselves. People are communicating with each other, if you remember the pick-a-wall room, the people take care of each other, and it keeps the noise off of these smaller cores. So that's my recommendation is to continue to think about that. The other recommendation, you guys talk about size, I think size is a great idea. And I'm sure you've thought about this, but having the QR code up there that you guys can easily access, people can click on and even track who's been there, they want to do something like that. But anyway, for me, this is a good news story that, you know, Danny and Amy have gotten out of head out, they're really attacking this and trying to work for their city. I'm asking for something that's kind of like extra, and I understand that. But I think it will help solve a lot of the usage issues here in the city so that people who want to, you know, are members of the city, want to have their individual courts. That's a cavalier. That's here. And then now I'll have great. So I think that might be I am scum. But thank you. That's a lot of things. Thanks for your work on this. Thank you. Yeah. Didn't have a couple questions or comments. One is, I don't know how many, because you don't know, but Danny and I had a conversation a month ago about what was going on and what was happening. We decided that something may have to be put out to the community. It kind of brainstormed how to do it. And contacting the people seemed to be one option. But we came to the option just, I was going to go and put helpful as myself out of the board and just say, far bring this up to you all. This is an issue that is coming and we want you as a council to be prepared for this issue discussed in the three minutes as quick as I could the noise and the public and the use. So it's why before Council also happened that it was a reporter there covering the council vacancy issue that was somebody who covered a pickle ball of issues via an online site. It's right here, but she did. So it ends before Council. And then what I want to do is when I was designated or what I was told is hey, thanks for bringing the issue to us come back with solutions So I think your budget amendment means are The solution we go back to on that we brought it up to you So as an award, we could consider recommending the reshiping, give a surprise, and we send it into Council as years like you asked. Here's our solution. They can say yes, they can say no, they can say maybe. But I think that's our answer with all the other things that are our answer to come back to suggestions. Here's what's suggested. We need money to implement that. We're suggesting the other things. So I'm just a thought in the board to go forward. Now, not later, as we told them it's coming with the thought of, I think your student's going to cost it. We may have to wait a month because you want to do the investigation to one of the courtesans need to be fully approved for the first time. But I think we should be prepared for the next meeting to make a decision as to go to council and say, here's our solution to the question. Two is, I know you implemented two of you in the whole. A lot of temporary things, steps in the since June to now, limiting time, side age, one, trying to get the pick of all community and collaborative work to police themselves and some of these issues. Did it work? I think so. There's definitely folks in the pickable community that will go up to people that are breaking the rules. We get emails. One example is, I think last week, there was a player from Meridian with their dog on the court and the player would go up to the dog several times and the player would go up to the dog several times and owner was not responsive. But you know we got an email from the dog, go court they were on. So they they're ambassadors, they'll they've got no problem if they're at the cherry-street plane tennis before the time that you're allowed to start playing pickleball, they'll see somebody play it and they'll say you can't play pickleball ball again, it's not urgent enough. I think it is a good community. I know I was walking one day, it was almost eight o'clock, so I just went to my cherry street and just looking at what's going on at eight o'clock. You know, one group got off at eight o'clock, one group can play after eight o'clock and you talk about the dogs on the floor. To me, that's a similar issue we were two years ago. And because some people violated the law, everybody had to give up the opportunity to play with their dogs in the world. And that's what I'm kind of wondering about. If people are abided by the rules, we have now, do we then look at the natural consequences of not abiding by those? So I agree with Amy. I think we've seen some incremental improvements, not perfect, we're still having issues, we're still getting reports of some people doing things completely. I'm going because I have appointments committee and I couldn't have a budget event. I'm going to ask in and also think about the request in relation to fellow's properties. Yeah, we're going to get through that conversation later. Thanks. Well one thing I want to make sure I put on the record is that we want to make sure that nobody thinks that we want people to start policing these things. I don't want confrontations. We're asking people to get along and try to try to hear the rules. But the minute somebody has an issue with that, we just don't want people to start to create conflict. So right now we're doing our best to say please and would you consider out of respect and doing all this, we'll have to keep an eye on it. I think one of the big questions will always be, is it getting better, right? It was not getting better, we're not getting anywhere. We're spending our wheels. I think the transition from the way the courts are painted now. Charlie's not wrong. We made a hasty decision. I thought it was all in the good of pickleball in the way the world was coming to subscribe. We got this new sport. We're going to use these sports. I had no idea how much noise how much you know. So that's absolute truth that it was a mistake. I didn't think about having to go to the neighbors. Didn't think that this kind of a recreational activity could ever be a negative proven wrong. And so we'll try to fix some of those things and try to create a fix for some folks. For some folks it's all about no offense intended. But right now you're concerned about your backyard and your sanity and your whatever. or some folks it's all about no offense intended, but right now you're concerned about your backyard and your sanity and your whatever. My goal is this for the entire community. I wanna make two groups happy, right? We wanna make sure that the people that love the game will take the ball and the people that don't necessarily hate the game but hate what it brings to them. We can find some kind of an agreeable. Again, I don't think it's ever going to be perfect. I don't think we're ever going to get into a little bit more. Science. You know, I have to find out real facts, not just, I think. So those are some things that have to happen in the short term. I'm Gene Gressgo, 120-garth fair back to you. I think Charlie has expressed it. Peter has expressed it. We've expressed it. We love all the work you've done. We think the flip-slopping of the courts is a great compromise. And I understand there's one hitch on money, which is always something that is the way in the gears, but I don't see any reason not to at least, I don't want to tell this committee how to proceed, but I would recommend, you know, because if you want to then go to the city council and said, you told, you asked us to make a recommendation. Well, here's the time to make a recommendation that I would respectfully say, now is the time to say, I think we have a proposal on the table for the foot flopping of the courts. I've not heard any negative of that compromise. Anything I, you know, a few people, you know, I've not heard any negative of that compromise. Anything I've, you know, a few people, you know, we say, sounds great to have an act, you know, agreement that let's go forward. I just, I'm just impatient as you can tell, to just say, let's move it forward unless there's still issues on the table which I've not heard so that it would be a compability to say this chartered group that the city council is chartered to make these type of recommendations and said great we have an issue on money. TBD, but can't we get just my patient movement down the line? I think the condition of the courts needs to be evaluated quickly to determine whether or not we just put some slaps and pain on there. Doesn't mean we're gonna turn around eight months later and have to go out and start filling cracks and doing some of that work. I don't wanna pay for twice in a one year period. So that conditions of the courts, and then I just want to make sure that we've paused long enough to make sure that the decisions we're making this time. I don't sit here five years from now and say, you know, here's the second time that I made a mistake. So I agree and I want to go as quickly as we can but I don't want to go so quick that we're going to be making mistakes that that shouldn't be made. And part of the process is council funding. You can only go I mean did not want you to eat the money, just make the case for the money. As you just heard we had our board member say I just remember you're going to ask money from this hand to whatever, which is not the best thing to have. So you got it. I find going, well, you're striking the other attention. And that is, if you're going to ask them to do it, you don't want to come back a month later and say, OK, now we want the money to do it. It's better to do it with a bunch of amendments. That's what you're going to do and you can present the whole issue. You know, if you'll, the budget amendment, you're not dealing with pretty minutes on public commentary. You're dealing with an issue that staff is looking on staff to prepare to report whatever. So it's, it's important to try to play their game on on the best way to accomplish what you're trying to accomplish. And I respect that and again just by desire to move this along as best as possible. You are free to go three minute. I want to respect this committee that's why why I didn't go to the city council. I came here because I respect you all as the people assigned to be these sticky wickets that thank everyone. And I just like that we have a compromise that's pretty darn good. I appreciate it. I would like to mention to you that if we're having a problem with enforcement of those rules, how is that being enforced right now? And then some of those parts, some of those are parts. Some of them are in residential areas that are very easily released in a dry fire. The light's going on. People are turning their car light right on it doesn't take much for us to send somebody down I think it's time it's a good question there's been questions all the way from what I'm just sending one of your staff that's here over there on a you know on a vower the basis well we have a problem because we really need to have two staff in the building so but, but then the police itself, we've had some residents say, do me a favor, leave our police out of it. They've got enough to do, and others say, send the police over right away. So we're sure, and I've had some conversations with our police department, and I've got to bring some information. I've promised them some information, and to see how much they're willing to get involved. I know they don't want to be in a situation where they've got to be on an hourly call, of course, to check. But they have been called on several occasions and they have responded to a certain extent until we get good signage and rules set in place, they can't do much policing because they don't know what they're policing. So some of that next step is just that. We've got to get our full new set of rules who's allowed to be there what times are they allowed to be here? So some of those steps come but I think our police department is willing to help we don't know yet how much they're willing to be another thing would be and yet again another little bit of a cost would be we could potentially hire some folks that lock gates at night, unlock gates at the morning that would help some of the real road uses of the ports but we don't have that place right now and hiring people for short-term jobs is not the easiest thing right now it's crazy in today's world. But so there's some other pieces that we need to be looking into. So that's a good. And to add that to that list of recommendations, right? Because I do appreciate having those world, the world change and having the chaos. And I think that will help. But the next step is how do we enforce that? So that it's not the pond. It's not placed upon the neighbors to believe that because it's not, there's, yeah, there's too, it could become a station there that's not all things, right? I'll add to that. We have called the police many evenings where A-A-Pock has come and gone and they're playing like that. And the police have come, they talk to the players, the lights shining from their cars. And the police said to us, you should not be engaging with those people on the phone, because you don't know. And we don't want to put you in danger. So we stopped calling, you know, going into the court, but the other evening, I had just, I going to sound emotional, I had had it. And I had had it, and I went on to the court, there were four people playing, and first I looked to see if their car has had residential tasks. Are they registered for post-church sitting? Well, a car from Maryland doesn't sort of cut it. And I said to these young adults, I said, did you reserve time on the court? Oh, I said, did you read the signs of the game? No, we watched signs of the game. And then I said, the courts closed at 8 p.m. I didn't say anything further. It was just about 8 o'clock. They'd go off the court, but I was ready to call the police. Because I don't think it was just about eight o'clock. They'd go off the court, but I was ready to call the police. Because I don't think it to your point. It's very hard to monitor. The role of the players just come off. Oh, this time it's called this pickleball net. It's so fun. And they do. Yeah. They're addicted. So we will, we will involve our police department that today extend that we need to. We've got some work to do together. And that's the other thing I will tell this truth. It's not as simple as quick. Let's go out city council for $30,000. Let's get these things taken. Let's get this thing in play next month. It's not going to go that way. But we're working towards that as quickly as we can. Yeah, and I think part of your plan, it's not as easy as what you said. But I think part of the plan should be building in a high level. Yes, we want to have some monitoring through the city if possible and add that as a budget, potentially adding a string into the budget and seeing. I've played on one of those courts at Walter Reed, in his Walter Reed in Arlington, and they've got screens around the outside, and the neighbors say that. You talked to them. That was the courts that was in question, but a piece of media, that's a lot of estimate. I gotta take a look at that because it's wired around. And it's not all the way around. So if you, there's one around, what's your reading? It might be long read. Who the hell, all three's got some bad news around it. But yes, I think it's just something to think about. Because it's only one side, it might have to work. It's a noise. work to noise and since you have trees up there that's the one thing I think about as those other neighbors as well along great falls so at least they just have two out of trees exactly nice that are serving some kind of a proper block right there and just limiting hours here as well I just I mean I want to make sure that I mean with all those ports in Merrigan, it's a plethora of courts. And we can just go there as much as possible. Has anybody thought about post-cabris on the cherry courts or the Kewelman courts to see what is being utilized at the time? I know there's a staff problem that to actually go over there and monitor and open and lock gates, kind of to stand that. Is there potential of having, you know? We can tell by the reservation, you know, how many, you know, we can tell the basic use. So that's the question you're asking. The question is really at an 8 o'clock, or let's say the course has been reserved. No one's there, but then people come on just really milling, you could see that, right? Did you rent it that good that far? Why didn't it? Why didn't it? Maybe I was going to have to rent it. That is not my problem. I'm saying, for a rain cam, you need something for a rain cam or to work on. So I'm just thinking. Just throwing out at a thought. Okay. I think we discussed both of the costs. Yeah. Hi. We've moved on to the other item on the agenda. I think we're getting a few. Well, to get a few, get the numbers. I don't know, I think it's of course. And let us know. Yeah. I'll tell you what the cost would be. Yeah. Maybe we Tells what the cost would be. Maybe we have to present the option of doing it twice in a year If we need to be employed to do the striping We can give them the options. Yeah, we have our Refresh of the courts on our Future, you know, years so that's already out there. The cost continues to rise and rise and rise. But if we push that forward anyway, depending on the condition of the courts, there is something cracking on some of the courts. I know that for a fact, how bad it is would be the question. And what can we do? Just template? Yeah. Which I know in that time, not do that on a whole lot of it. And not to belabor the one too much. But here's what happens when a crack opens up. It's perfectly fine. Until water gets in there in the wintertime, it freezes, and the cracks just start to get later and later. So you've got to get ahead of that. Seven years ago, the money was taken away. And of course, got so bad, and now we can go in and mill and redo every single port, and that was hundreds of thousands of dollars, not just tens of thousands. So we need to take care. Next item. Hello, scholarship. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I was surprised. Thank you. You're welcome. You're welcome. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, of course not. So fellow property was actually brought to City Council on Monday night. Al has a quote for the A&E. Al, the existing plans which you all have to see have lots of planning commission. All right, 15%. How is the plan? Absolutely. Project manager, Alex Organs. Sorry. Has 15% planned for those? Went to council last night with the kind of question of council is are we ready to spend the money on the A&E since the actual funding for the project has not been identified. So right now the project is short about 1.7 million. The A&E, so we already have 200,000 of it so far. And then it would need about 150,000 more to take us from the 15th percent construction documents. So that was presented to council last night. I'm kind of like, what should we do? And what was decided is we're gonna wait for council to identify funding with almost seven money on the ANA. It may be as early as this fall, and not keep waiting, but it may be as early as this fall, not keep waiting, but it could be as early as this fall, but the money to be identified. It's in the adopteancy act, the issue is identified for the funding. So the money in the budget, or what about the loan? The unmet part of it is 1.7. So unmet the unmet part. What do we have? 200,000. So we have enough money to do the A and A. If you're just a matter of spending it, no one can do it actually. And the 200 is really bad about 180 or anything. And the 1.7 covers, owls, proposed owls, like you did on owls. Which was, in owls's opinion very accurate as of December 23. But also had an attention save. If we got that funding this year, we're going to do what construction costs are going to do the next year and the year. We also have the difference between when we pull out what it is, what it works, what it is, what it's our money. So when we have to make that money. Yes. Yeah, and that's how it was presented on the budget screen. Monday night was, sidewalk was everything sidewalks, the perimeter stuff that then the park funding was. Can I jump this? I don't know if I've heard everything you said, but there's an outside chance that the funding could be discussed as part of City Council's discussion of some unspent funds. So it could possibly come out of something other than what it currently is in the CIP, which would move things quicker. So that is one possible scenario is that there's some funding. I don't know the dollar amount. I don't know all the intricacies of that. But those discussions will take place in the next month. So that was a good part of the reason why it's going to wait for at least a month before we determine whether or not to hire that A and E. I'll go off for a bit. Left about 50 and another. At this point, no, we've already, I'm sorry. We're there already, because it's a contract that you already had. So we're warming up whatever the right word is, who are existing contracts, raise that one? Identify, I don't remember the name, but it's been identified. They've already agreed to the word. They understand them. The parameters, I was already got them ready to sign, which is why we went to council and so now we're holding it at another point. All right. All right. One other issue in permanent parks that come up when we decided to push it off to, after our break, we're naming those. Fellows, yeah. to after a break with the name. Those? Fellows. Sorry, fellows, we're on for a while. The naming process of fellows, we've talked briefly and said we need to figure out a methodology of how we're gonna recommend names to council. Yeah, and the city manager actually asked me that just the other day day and my thought was that My Andrea him was that I'm not sure we need to be in a great hurry right now That maybe the design and the way it all ends up might change some of the you know the way that what the park is And then what the proper name might be there's And Amy's gonna touch on this later. There's some other questions about some naming of some of the many parts of stuff that might happen quicker. But I'm in my opinion, I'm not sure we need to be in a hurry to, well, certainly, to come up with a name for a park that we don't have, you know, funny for you. But if we get to that point, I think that the naming needs to be brought in. No, there's questions at this time. You talked to wire and things. There was someone that came and I don't remember who it was. It says we need to work on the paintings. But then I kind of threw that out there and at least the impression I got the other day was, oh, that makes sense. I mean, if the name for the first set or whatever, it makes more sense according to what the park is. The northwest part. Yeah. So I'm personally not going to hurt it. There's more things that we need to start looking at that. Always keep you on. Within our site. As we go. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's a process. and it takes a little bit of time Right, you have to figure out how I'm gonna do it. I know in the rest of Brown, the EDA went out You know plot suggestions, we've never come back before We just come up with an A And they're doing that on a couple other places Like Burman Park So I've got Burman Park so it's back to me I got a couple other places. I don't want to stay there. All right. I'm in the park. So I got the permanent park. So it's back to me. Oh, I gotta go grab that. So, the permanent park where everybody here was out there, I believe, probably wasn't, maybe Sharon wasn't where you out there. There may. When we went on site, okay, I'm sorry. We were on site, I think. Yeah, and so the neighborhood was so accepting and willing and inviting and flexible. It was really, really nice to see one thing there, Adam, and about a swingstack. Great. Glad we got that input. And then there was monkey monthy bars included. So we took the two concepts that we had and we have redone it and Amy thankfully is going to go grab the new concept that I'm hoping to move forward with. If the board likes what we've come up with And it's really a combo of the two that we had before. Then I'm gonna work with planning to see how quickly what we need to do exactly to come up with. So the idea is as we can go up a little bit higher, we had a concept, if you remember, some, it was a little more water-oriented and it was a light house, as well as the one on the left there. And then with a smaller 0-3 type play equipment in the other side that we can't fit in there now. So I kind of took the biggest piece and then found out what else can we add in there? One of the most popular pieces we have right now, both over at Oak Street Elementary and out here, is that climbing apparatus. So we kind of tried to put the light house right next to this and it didn't look right. It wasn't really gonna set up right. The Monkey Bar component was gonna be more difficult to add in. So I put what I think we can get the most bang for the buck. When this came back to me in this fashion, I personally liked it. I don't know what other people's thoughts are. I was told that as many as 40 people can be on the browse to the left. On the one on the right, it's in the high 20s, 30s. So we literally could have lots of people playing on this thing at one time. The footprint in itself is a tiny bit of an expansion, something I have to work with public works. I do want to move this quickly. We can't. I don't want to go full site plan. I don't want to go through all that process. But this could potentially work over there. If the board likes it, I think the neighbors gave us a real nice indication that they'd love to see new equipment that don't need to get too much into the weeds of exactly what, as long as there's monkey bars and swing sets. The swing sets themselves would still be there. We're going to try our best to add one extra seat to include both a baby swing and mommy or the parent and me swing and the two regular seat swings. So just wanted to throw this at you, Steve. There's any specific comments. If anybody hates it, let me know quietly, please. And then I'm going to try to start working with the budget planning and public works. This right now would be within budget would give us enough leftover to do some benches of fire pits. No girls and you know, some other small amenities if need be around the area. Yes, within budget. You said you had to expand from the area a little bit. Remember you were kind of talking, going, like doing something towards the road. Yeah, no, not that kind of exchange. I'm literally talking about the borders that are there now. There's one area that would have to go back three feet and extend over a couple feet. So that kind of expansion I would hope that I can be given administrative. So one way to do this and not that we're trying to speak anything through, but there's certain things that can be done administratively through the director of planning. And then certain things that would then have to go through a full planning commission review, site plan review goes through every single department in the city, then they all get to tell us that they think that the color on the top should be orange instead of blue. And so I'd like to avoid some of that more for the timing of anything. I have no problem with people's comments. But the timing of things could really get really involved this time for another year or plus. There's never reason why we shouldn't be able to order this equipment. About a 12, 14-week lead time, build time, and get this thing built in the winter of Mother Nature allows us to go over to have no events. The great bold. Don't want to make a promise. And this is a lot of work. This isn't a bar of planning down a tree or anything like that? No, there's a little bit of pruning that might have to be done at the top. So some of them, I've already spoken to the Argers, no problem there. No tree removes. A little bit of movement of the border. And but it's all a nice flat area, assuming that. So I think in my mind, when I talk to Paul Stodder, I believe we can do this. I don't know exactly what feedback I'm going to get at that point and what we're going to need to do if you remember correctly. Charlie might be the only one left to remember. I almost felt that way here at Cherry Hill and two years later we got to play around bill. But that I don't feel quite that way. There was a whole lot of water issues. We needed to move a few things to others. We can keep it in that footprint. I think we have much better chances of doing this. Does it misspeak on anything, Sharon, in regard to playing? I don't know, you want to avoid the panic. I don't know where the panic is. I don't know. He doesn't see anything. He's got something named red. I don't know where he wants more feedback. We're going to ask about a question. Yeah. I think I might want to get a talk. I'm just kidding. I just want to talk. All right. We're going to entertain a motion. We're going to proceed with this design. Volving into look forward. I'm very interested in making it so. Yeah, so moved. Second. Second. Okay, further discussion. I would ask, you know, I was just having a play, but I was really tall, like, just, uh, in Knoxville. And the top level they had, like, mini hammocks and stuff, and that kids could, like, climb, like, see, it's pretty tall. It's like, It's almost like, it's almost 10 feet at the top there, above the slide. It was so really cool. My attendur was really interested in like, hang out there. So they're on the outside of the app. Go down. They're on the inside of the app. Good. Good. Good. I think we're above 10 feet. Yeah, yeah, like, Sherry, I know what has the open thing, Yes, and so on that chair, Lincoln. But so yeah, you can do something inside there. Just not just have to just not have this open space. It's got if you look at it, there's like ropes inside. There are the pieces. Yeah, that's perfect. There isn't handouts. There are last one was running up there. Like glasses. Yeah, so I didn't do anything. I mean, let's get that high. This kind of cool, right? A little more. I don't really have a thing. This is like, I'm really high up and all her kids could be attracted to that. Are you talking here? I just got on the left side. Yeah. I don't know. That's what you call like that. It is. And the slide in the room is, I apply about 10 feet. I would think so. Yeah, that sounds like yeah, just use that space up there if we get this possible I'm gonna ask the fuck check in with our Joseph the Joseph yeah That'd be awesome to do like two two and a half levels or something in there just to use that space It's not just You get up and it's pretty fun. Yeah. That's nice to see on that one. No, it's hard to see in there. It's all covered up. But yeah, it looks great. Good job, Danny. And Danny, I appreciate that you tried to fit it to the end of the line. Great job. We really have to over there. There's really major stormwater components underground. We're going to quickly. We'd be over there forever trying to get this done if we tried to expand the area. Yeah, I think the public works. You go right through it, whatever they just did. Go ahead. We have a bunch of you in a second. Any discussion? All right, here you know, all in favor. All right. All right. All opposed. So, Danny. Thank you. There's need if you want to. So, the memo on the council on that. With it. The approval. Design that we get it. We're not working with planning real quick to see what we can get this going. Okay. What's the have a thing I've broken, park it on? Like a picture of that in there. I don't know that we've done anything on the, the good news is, is the street improvements and all that are underway. You know, they're really getting ready to go. So this will be real nice when it's all set and done if we can kind of keep it, keep that ball rolling because like a streamer that you made the bump out crossing crossing. Yeah, the crossing is in that stuff for it. We're going to be I think highly involved come October. So we can get on the heels of that. It'd be really, really nice to for that neighborhood. Right. Right. There's nothing happening. All right, great. We're supposed to be here, babe. All right, so I sent down an email during the summer and I wanna thank Charlie and Brandon and Danny for showing up to my little three minute public comment. But we presented to the council and they agreed, they wanted to move forward. So we started discussing signage with Cher the Air. They sent the signage over. It took a few months because they had some backup issue, but it just came here last week. And I haven't gotten a chance to look at the inventory yet. But this is what a big one looks like. And we're not able to make changes to the sign but I was emailing with the community. I was in correspondence with the legislative coordinator and we were talking about like you know maybe changing colors or adding phone numbers things that most of the sign and culture tab for ADA compliance and I mentioned that they probably wouldn't be able to do that. Apparently it's all okay like we don't need to change the signs. It was just kind of a quality of life thing that isn't the end of the world. But moving forward, we have to look at the inventory and see how much we're dealing with. It's free to get more signage. We just have to ask and then figure out where we're gonna put it, how much that sort of deal. Is it in our contract that we actually put something in every park? No, I mean, I would assume for the sake of it being useful, we would want one in every park. Sure. If not more, yeah, some of them are more than one entrance. Well, it's too much side pollution. I'm just going to be a ball for it. Three of these stacked up could be one mat. So I'd like to go on record and say that while everybody got a couple months break from the advisory board on and was continuing to work and got us signed up were official members of the Share the air program all signed off worked with the city attorney and the Advisory board chair and different folks. So so nice work on Bring your counter part up to Snuff. And I think we'll let you all maybe organize some groups to help get some of the signage put in. And if not, we'll do it, obviously with staff. But maybe that'd be a neat thing for you to, if there's a way to do a presentation at the school, explaining some of the process. I don't know. But start talking about that amongst yourselves. And I don't want you to do this alone. We've got Matthew to kind of take the baton. Is this your senior year? This is not. All right. So you've got a baton coming in just a few months and we'll keep it moving. This is your son. Sister left in his school right? I mean, left them out. They're taking the school right? Did she have a bigger room than you? I kind of take your stuff from a room. That's the way it's supposed to be. I was at a presentation. It was very nice. Parents were both there and I were very proud that it wasn't. And I see you think, thank you very much for doing it. Thank you. All right, minutes for approval. The motion to approve will be welcome. So move. Second. Second. Any discussion? Very good. All in favor? All opposed? All opposed? All opposed? All opposed? All opposed? All opposed? All opposed? All opposed? All opposed? All opposed? All opposed? All opposed? All opposed? All opposed? All opposed? All opposed? All right. Recreation record report. I'm sorry. I will try to be brief, but we had kind of very busy summer since you saw us all last. First big one is the HBEC update. We are still moving forward with it. The plan as of today is very early next year daytime programs and staff move off site ready to be any of the year. While the geothermal well is built right out front, we just don't want to be here, but want poverty to our homeowner doing the wells. But then the building wouldn't remain open nights and weekends for programming. So basically when our regulators get here on weekdays, it's probably would open and still have our evening programming. At that time, all that well, the bottom wells are being built, builds the farmer's market, wouldn't move back here so that we can still have a rest during the back there. Then as scheduled, late February, the full building will shut down all programs from the website. We are getting closer to the agreement with Columbia Baptist and the ball of our senior programming there. That would be in January as well. And then most of our other programming will be at schools. And so that is unique regularly with Lionel, who's a project manager. And our next meeting, we're going to invite IT and start talking about what our setup looks like. Over at the Charlotte's Machiappard locations, that we need IT, well, I see it set up there. I just realized we're going to need another agreement from the seniors to be willing to come back. It's beautiful for just that. So over at Columbia Baptist, they're It's beautiful. It's beautiful. It's over and totally about these third-do-consettling gorgeous. And it's very accessible. It's a perfect place for the seniors. To Danny mentioned earlier, those parts, so the one open by Maple Avenue is pretty much completed and it will be named. So that's a thing coming up. The board, I didn't even know very closely, but we'll have that opportunity to engage in the process. They're hoping to follow the same process that they used at Brown's Park. And this is not one of the original parklets that have been out there forever. This is kind of the other side of the stream, a Cavalier Trail, and we had discussions. It's really nice looking, but they do want to name just that little area. The park is still Cavalier Trail Park. The process they're looking at doing is similar to what they did with Mr. Brown's park. I've agreed to be on their staff initial meeting process. And I've asked them to make sure that as they go through and they've already committed to making sure this board hears what the plans are how things are going to go with it. And so we might be looking for a board member to sit in on the committee for a little bit help with that process. Sorry. Thank you. Paul Church Festival is this weekend. I'm passing around many of you and our team and schedule. It is to join us. And the service committee. No, not this year. Not this year. This year. We're going to have to go over to stick around after last year. Sunset Sylvain has started new poem at this year instead of kind of back-to-back weeks on the fall. We're doing it monthly. We did the first movie August 23rd. The next one is September 20th. It's the People's Choice winner of Punishment of Kids. And then October 26th is the following carnival and after that we're going to show Monsters University. We celebrated Park Circularation Month this year for the devilish. You haven't been doing it in a long time. So July is National Recreuge on Parks Month. We did a um, so we're for the Exit Council. Ra Ra. Dr. Lee. Dr. Lee. Thank you. As to the council, our staff set up a booth and kind of brought different parks throughout the month that the farm merch market and then we closed it with a celebration of the park that just floored on us. The last day still. Flag football has started. You saw her has started. Flag football did change a bit. Our numbers have been dropping a bit. So the younger kids cancels have turned into a clinic former and the older kids is a bit of a combined age group with 16th playing. Fall classes have started. Senior Olympics begin this Saturday. Our Senior Senate Tracy is on that board. Locals scrabble here as part of the Senior Olympics. We have a new fall senior program. So the Badman and the Walking Club and others. Maybe since your last meeting, we got our new shuttle box. I don't know if we'm sorry, in the parade. We call it the moment. It's wonderful addition to the department. It came just in time for summer camps. It's like a shuttle bus, but it's just under the threshold that you don't need to CDL's drive it. But it's very testful for the seniors. It's like, you know, a middle aisle, they walk down and you have to cry over see Felicity into the back of the 2000 event. So it's really increased the opportunity to be able to do some more senior programming. Just keep writing and drawing. Why, Paula? Yeah. I didn't laugh at that name. Jimmy said party in the back business in the front. That's what I was saying. It's going to go. Not to, right? Yes. So that's it's great we use it also for our team experience programs and the seniors are using it during the school year. You may have noticed some decorated utility boxes around town. That's the work of Holly Irwin, our must coordinator and our culture coordinator. Three of the four are done and then there'll be a second setting of them in another year or so. So there's a lot of outside founders row, which is the train. Yep, there is one over by where Hillwood and South Michael merge in front of that motorcycle. Oh, it's okay. And then there is one in front of the broad, broaddale Plaza. Okay. And the last one is going in front of the side of Mr. Browns on the South Washington side of Mr. Browns. So those four are the artwork is done. The only one that's not operating now is the one that Mr. Browns, the others are all up. So is that the big transformer that we couldn't move to not have part? It's not that true. That one got wrapped years ago by somebody else. Yeah, already done. The farmhouse also was the first ever Vietnamese heritage day this summer. It was a successful event, might be an annual thing. Holly also is working on the council chamber artists are arts and culture person. That's all being reviewed on open1Sol service for that summer. But she's replying to the RFQ for new RFQ and the City Council. Another request of the advisory board. The country's 250th anniversary is coming up in 2026. And there will be an official visiting committee. And there's a request that somebody from the Recreation and Parks Advisory Board joined the 250th anniversary committee. So if anyone has your cup of tea and he likes to do that, just let us know. We'll take volunteers, get not. Notice how well designed. You know, we need to put volunteers. We want to volunteer. Shoulder of 50 years at the city. No, that's a standard. We're years of the city. No, the statute of entry. Yeah, it's again. The US of A, like 400 years ago, it was that old. It's a misidennial being. Right, yeah. My surprise, I was great. It was a long time ago. Hopefully you've seen a email or something similar about the board's information picnic that is I believe next week so if you have an RSVP for that please do so uh that should have come to the third office and if you haven't seen it let us know and we'll make sure you see it uh also administrative updates we have a new software for our sports programs we're using Play Metrics now which is going really well with the public, not so great for our staff. But it's always good to say, it's going to pass on feedback that people seem to really like it on our service. No, even play metrics is good for the registration purpose. We are at the staff, we are at the base of the registration, but it's giving us a little hard time on a finance side. So that's the only thing we are dealing with right now. It's only for the next generation. So you're dealing with it to go on a cruise? Yeah. You can see my play metrics. Yeah. Yeah. We also started automated wait lists for our rec track program. So anytime there's a wait list opportunity, it used to be our staff with the folder up there. All people with the wrong people, it's now automated. We had clean week, which we do every year, close the building clean it, hopefully you can tell, but our staff did a wonderful job. We'll stop some track. And then we had a full glass, I guess, right. That's We had four of that. So there's some staffing changes. So it must be probably new Charlie Bittner. He was a maintenance worker with us for a long time. He left to pursue a position as being a police officer. He's not an academy for Fairfax City. He thought weekend maintenance person is also a resort. He's now a USer and working weekends. We can't do our building anymore. We also welcome to the team at the front desk, use of part time permanent front desk addition, which all of our folks at the front really appreciate the extra hope. So we do a weekend person to help us in maintenance and some farmers market stuff, and we're still desperate for folks to help with our early release program on Wednesdays so keep getting the word out. That's everything. No experience necessary at all. All right. Thank you. Thanks for filling in. Any other questions? Anything to motion to adjourn? Second. Or if you're not too good at adjourn. No, we're just, okay. I'm just, it's my first time I'm entitled through one of those questions. I'm very interested in the farmhouse garden that appears to be being renovated. It seems like the box was a bit cleared. And- It's not implanted as I drove by today. It was redone. It's redone. So it's a temporary. It's just a temporary. It's just a given us through false or testable. Okay. So I don't know the full plans, but they were all disease. And that's why they all came down. Well, I don't know. I don't go about it, so anyways, it's strange. But I'm a particular pollinator, and I hope right, is the keeping laws, and I love to meddle in pollinator gardens and knit sort of things. So I just wanted to find out who would have talked to. I talked to Justin, she said I should come to this meeting. So that's why I'm wondering back here. But I just want to get involved. And if there's any opportunity for the darn planning or the kind of the people corridors for native polymers to be able to have more biodiversity so you can travel farther, anyone who has been. You've heard us talk about the fellow's park. That's coming up in the next two years and that's the hope is that that's going to be something along those lines of a lot of native planning and they are so pleasant. Be glad to. Some native fruit. Russian trees, yes, and fun stuff. But make sure we get your info staff that you're in for. I will pass you along also to the city's arborist and their green space crew. They're the group that does most of the green plantings and things like that. But the ones redoing the, it's a D.A. arbor. I think the daughter of the American revolution gardens out there that got kind of beat up and dilated but are being redone. So the city arborist is someone who's going to want to be in contact with. And I also have a broader watershed management vocations interest. I come support DOD doing water and energy resilience and a great interest in transforming even just language from MS4, some water management, water management doing large landscape scale clever issues. So. So we should contact about public works. Correct. I need to hold on to it everywhere. Yeah, that's a lot. So I'll be here all the time. I'll be here with you. But I really want to a city council meeting to talk about it. But I just want to make sure I'm connected with all the right folks to have their hands on the actual there is round two. So, thank you. We can link in contact with some folks. And for those that don't know, Zach Radney, who was the director of Public Works, has left the city as well. So, the city's going to be looking for a new Public Works director. Now as well, but they can do all this for them. And all that stuff. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. We have a motion. Second call. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you folks. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah, that'd be great. I'm like you just in a 200-50 year. That was the most amazing thing over in the year. 250 something. Touched like the apartment you're staying in. They're talking 600 BC Oh So low I believe I was like obviously the great deal was on the Oh thanks I'm trying to talk to you That way I'm like this I don't know what you're saying I don't think it's right I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like both I'm sorry Let me know if anything you want I'm sorry Appreciate it It was awesome It was awesome. It was awesome. It hit all the athletes. It was amazing. Yeah, so the cruise was one day in replacement. So that was a really great stop centering me. Meek of those. They'll come cream. So a lot of them are only part of the bigger cities. And you should model what kind of numbers have a comparison we want to do that. Yeah. The bad of a candidate might need to do something.