Good evening everyone. Sorry board meetings about to begin for April 15, 2020, 2015 at 4.4.3 pm. Who calls the rules? City Attorney? I'll do it. Oh Adam, can you please call the rule? Thank you. Yes Board Chair Michael Joseph here vice chair Lynn Sue Board Member for Tunis, not clear present board member Phyllis Smith board member Daniela Jean Board member Mackenzie Flurman board member Jay turnoff here also present our Myself Adam old the executive director and Sierra attorney Steven Zuckwoods. Next on the next on the agenda is public comment. Do we have anyone here for public comment based on anything on the agenda? Oh, sorry, sorry. Next on that, John was not action number two public comment. If you have any thoughts or concerns at this time would be the time for you to speak on anything on the agenda. Seeing none. Did you want to address the panel? Public comment. No, okay. Next item is seeing none. Public comment is closed. Next is action. We will approve. Approved one minute, do we have a second? Second. All in favor say aye. I pass the unanimous. See next items action item CRA 2025-approved nor NNB city and NNB CRA into local agreement. Thank you. This is the annual interlocal cooperation agreement between the city and the CRA, let's the CRA use services from the city. You know, we use, we've been using planning, finance, HR, you know, payroll, all of these types of services. This adds economic development to that and then it would be until October and retroactive to October. And then there'll be another interlocal remit. Yeah, this is the one we have to sign every year. I tried to figure out how to make it so it would just carry over if we didn't sign it again, but I gave up. All right. All right. Do we approve? Do I have a second? All of you will say aye. Aye. Next item is action item number CRA 2025-05 approval, concept and authorization to initiate procurement process for a snake creek canal project. OK. This one I made in a, I made a, let's see. Oh yeah, look at that. Okay. This is the presentation for Snake Creek Canal. We've been working on this. I'm told since 2007. I got this when I arrived here. It was, had a lot of sort of items in it that were sort of not feasible. So we started back to ground zeroes, went forward with the process. At midway through the process, South Florida Water Management District had a change in the development of the S-29 structure, which is that East Grinnell's Park Saltwater Intrusion barrier, they're gonna put in a 25,000 cubic feet per second forward pump there, which means nothing that we do within a mile upstream from there can be permitted to touch the water. So that changed a lot of what was happening. Anyway, we're here now and I'm going to just walk you through the project. So the project is, you know, in our CRA plan, it's a located sort of between the library and the Ten of Center, and it is on the public right of way, which also includes the easement area for South Florida water management district where they have authority to prevent or permit building anything. So the idea was to take the snake creek pathway that starts now at the boundary, the northwestern boundary of North Miami Beach, all the way at I-95, and to run the Snake Creek pathway to continue it all the way to the train tracks, essentially. So the boundary area. So right now it does go that far. Right now it stops, it terminates at the library. So the last, this portion that we're talking about is essentially you would have to walk on the street. So this idea is to finish the canal to get it all the way to the food finish us. Yes. OK. Is that our whole world thing? What's that? They're hardcast blocks. Yeah. Yeah. So that's why I stopped where they might hold us. I apologize. No, because like, no, I'm trying to figure out. So I was trying to figure out why the sidewalk, like seems some parts of it finish and some parts are not on finish. Yeah, I don't know the answer to the history of why it's like that. Yeah, I think. Yeah, I think it really deserves to be finished all the way. So that's kind of why this project was appealing to me in the beginning. Also, the real interesting part of this is that it's running through the town center, mixed use town center, Fulford area, where in 2015, we upended that area to be a real, like, downtown kind of meat of the city. So far, only one developer is bit, and they bit along the canal. That's Lasul. So with the monuments that they put out. Right. With the words. They have the flamingos. And as part of their sort of community benefit, they did like one block of this project between their building and the water. So we don't have to do that block. This goes through the sort of guidance from South Florida water management district. We've had multiple meetings with them. They are pretty strict about not wanting anything that could fall into the water and block up under the bridges during a hurricane or a rain event. So they're very limiting in terms of like where we can and can't plant trees. That's why the design of this is particularly every planting is outside of that 15 foot right of way. So this is the end of the existing path. These are some features on the existing path that we would be able to sort of incorporate this type of stuff going forward, signage, park benches, a space for public art, etc. So there's also a one way, two way to one way conversion on this part of... Sorry, 19th Avenue. Yeah, so it goes between Lassool at 21st Avenue to 19th Avenue, and it would change that intersection as well. Yeah, they'd still be able to fish. Actually it would be maybe better even. So I was worried about you know the feasibility of doing the two-way to one way conversion. That's usually more complicated. I was able to include a feasibility study from the traffic engineer, Traftech, to determine that this was a very feasible he went through and did counts on the streets, measured the volume of traffic, it was very, very low in this area. So essentially every building that would be using this would be able to still access the street. There may some may have to go around an extra block. Adam, I wanna caution you. Yeah. If we put two lanes one each way it's going to increase a lot. Well right now between 19th and 21st Avenue there are lanes in each direction so my this would be a one way conversion to remove one of those lanes should also calm the traffic so people using the canal promenade will have a better experience. Right now, you know, you basically are walking on the street. This is the intersection of glades, drive, and northeast 19th. This would need to be reconfigured. I have a cost estimate for the rest of this portion of the project, but this is a came in late and I don't have a cost estimate for it yet, but we'll take it as it comes. So you can see the turn lane goes away for the left turn lane going southbound on 19th Avenue, and then we have, let's see, sorry. Right, so the lane going eastbound is replaced with just the westbound turning lane. Um, talked about that already. Um, those are some traffic things. This is showing you where the views are from. So, so the idea is to put a paved pathway between all the way from one end to the other that is accessible by bicycle or pedestrians. So we have mixed use pathway, mixed mobility pathway. And then we would also be adding shade trees where possible so that you would be able to walk in the shade. Right now the the trees that exist there are on the north side of the pedestrians so they cast their shadow into the water which is nice if you're a fish but it doesn't help that much. Here's the sort of cross section. The fire department requests 20 feet of clear space of flat ground. They can put their trucks out. This would fulfill that. But here's an isometric view of the western portion. And then here's the eastern portion. So remember the right of way extends now into the public street. So if we want to have trees planted, they would need to be outside that 15 foot right away. So that's why we went with the idea to take one of the lanes of traffic and do the one-way conversion. So here, again, you have the pathway. You have the original palm trees remaining wherever possible and a new set of planting as well as street lighting. So at night, and I know the mayor had suggested to look at different methods of street lighting. I've been talking to some solar lighting. So that would... No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No know. Well, I know you guys all are... You're all good with that that so and I think the thing with it is You know over time this electricity cost money so we'll be saving money on the electrical costs that I think you know we should be able to Probably get a better bang for our buck over time, but I wanna make sure that there's a sustainable light guy that was one of those sponsors of the golf tournament. So see the water department for it. Okay, yeah, I'll do that. Yeah, so I think, you know, it's probably a little more upfront, but that's what Sierra is good at is like injecting capital to sort of see a return over time. Again, here's the isometric of that. You see, like, you know, we have still the 20 feet of flat space that the fire department would require. The zoning on these buildings to the side is, you know, pretty significant, but the idea, the idea that I'm working with is that they are mixed use buildings that will have right now. You know, they're really facing Hanford Boulevard. My idea is that the the canals and amenity, the city should be proud of it. Buildings should face it and it should be activated activated with retail and ideally cafes and restaurants facing that canal so that we have a whole new backyard idea. And then Hanford Boulevard on the front would be the urban face of that. Here's the existing right of way there now with the royal palms. This shows the wits and where the lanes are. And then here is sort of like what we are imagining. This look like on the left side where you have a mixed-use path, shade trees, lighting. Was that? And can't you make a apply for a grant for this through the Congress? Yes. So there's federal, there's a bunch of grants right now for anything to do with trails. There's also grants for water, land, interface improvements. I've got a list of about 10 different grants. Well, what I was thinking was back in the early days when we got the whole thing done along the canal in the Windward area that was done by Congressman Layman. It gave us all the money to do it. Yeah, so I mean, I think we could definitely reach out to our U.S. Congressperson and we could reach out to our state. I think there is money for explicitly this type of project. Another thing that I didn't mention is the comprehensive plan that we're updating right now. It's, we're pushing the limits of how much park space we have allotted versus how many residents we're inviting into the city. This would add, you know, a significant amount of quote unquote linear park to the city that would then, you know, offset some of those extra residential units that we're working on. Let's see where are we. This is a cost estimate for the phase that I just showed you. This is done by our, the Burm, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the Burmaya-Ajda Mills group to basically, this was done before we got any sort of tariffs a couple weeks ago. So I don't know. What's that? Yeah, so well, I think the thing that we want to remember is they're probably going up still. So it's probably not going to be this price, but it's probably as cheap as it's ever going to be at this point. So that's the, I guess that's my take on it. And you would be in charge of the construction and everything? So what I'm proposing here, and this is, I'm calling this phase one, because when we had the consultant do this, we, and here's the, we have the full sort of You guys can, I can, I don't know if it's really visible from your seats, but it should be printed. I think, um, anyway, I'll send it to you. If you, any of you can't read it. Okay. Um, again, this is not a, um, this is not a bid. This is an estimate by a third party that's not going to do the work. So this, and this is for phase one. There are other phases of this project. So at one end on the eastern side of this we have the Arthur Snyder Tenon Center. This is a project that and I think I could probably, yeah. This is a project that the city has gone out already for a request for qualifications to do a public private partnership to improve this park. Yeah, survey, RFQ, I think, you know, at some point, potentially an RFP. Right. So this would be either phase two or concurrent or however it would work. I started working on this before that happened and I said I don't want to like not do it in case something happens. So I had my consultant look at this site as well. I consider this to be sort of like the final, the end point of this canal pathway. So the idea here is to connect the canal to the tenor center and the tenor center would be sort of like the destination node, one of the destination nodes of this project. This is probably not what's going to happen when we come through the RFP. This is just to show you, like these are some ideas that the CRA had before the RFQ was released in the first place. Pickleball in there, keep the tennis courts out of a renovated pro shop. My idea was like we should really have a food service on a place where you could sit and watch people play tennis. Let the record show that Commissioner Flormon. Thanks. I mean, Chair, Chair, member for board member. Board member. Chair member. Chair member. Yeah. So the, so, so you know, these are some things that the CRA had asked our consultant to work forward. Now that the process is playing out at the city through the procurement department, I think the CRA should and will likely still be involved with that process. you know, the city is going to want more than any developer is able to give on their own in terms of like, you know, reduced prices to city, to city residents and, you know, whatever else that the city eventually ends up wanting in this space in terms of things like well we want to keep all the clay courts or we want to have only Patel or Pickleball I don't know what what this board will ask for but I think you you'll get some proposals and then you'll start negotiating and at some point they're gonna ask well how do we pay for this and then I think the CRA is gonna have to come in at that point as a potential partner and obviously you'll be still in charge of that process but I just wanted to sort of put this out there as this really could be a CRA project. All right. How do I need? process, but I just wanted to sort of put this out there as this really could be a CRA project. We need to move forward. Let me keep going, I'll make it quick. I'll make it quick. Sorry. So, sorry. So that's the site one. Site two is the All Wars Memorial Park and the Library Plaza. This is the other end of the book ends of the project. Completed, use it, put it all in there. All right. All right. I'm requesting a motion. A motion. Is that the second? All with A. aye. Hi. Thank you. Next item is actually a discussion. I am in it in the BCRA Life Extension A. OK. I don't this is this is called an assessment of needs. A O N. This is a requirement from the county to extend the life of any CRA. You need to have an assessment of need. I've been working on this for a while now. I think I have spoken to most of you or emailed you about the bill going through Tallahassee right now. It was, this bill will essentially kill all CRAs within a year or two. It says no new projects, no new bonding. So I've also spoken with some of you about the idea of expanding the boundaries of the CRA. That's a process. Correct. So there's two similar but different processes. Expanding the boundary. Excuse me. I just want to say something. So shouldn't we just wait to have this conversation until we see what happens in telehassy? Because if let's say they they eliminate the CRA then this conversation is me. So this is why I'm suggesting to have a special meeting in a couple weeks. What I'd like for you to be able to do is vote to approve the finding of necessity to expand to whichever neighborhoods you feel like the CRA should expand to as well as. But if we have to get rid of the CRA, as well, I will have done some extra work. Here's the thing, here's the thing. Which I don't think it's gonna happen No, it's not going to happen. Well, my thing is that I rather, if it happens, we'll have the meeting or whatever, but I just want to move that. Well, it won't happen immediately. Yeah. So do I have a most, do I have a motion? Do I have a motion to do an expansion? Regarding the extension of the action item number A6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. section item number a six. No, what I'm doing number six, six, six, eight. Do I have a second? Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. All right, next one is discussion item B. And then this is a CRA disparity study conducted by the CRA. It essentially goes out and looks for areas that might need this type of CRA support. And does bolster possibly the number A? Right, so the idea is that the disparity study would give us findings to use in our dialogue with the county. So... Do I have a motion? Motion. Exactly. Just cost cost wise. $100,000. For that for the study. Yeah. Oh, and this one I do have a resolution that I think is in your packet. I put it here as a discussion, but there's there should be a resolution in there now. This is this is a I don't have I don't have a cost. This was a last minute thing. I capped my price at $100,000. But I'm sorry. No, my idea is that possibly share the share because I would like the city to participate as well. So I'm just see we can share like I mentioned this thing, trying to see if the city could share or participate in that as well. If you can convince the city commission, I'll put it like it would do the thing. So, oh wait, where are they? So do I have a motion? I'll move. Oh, I just wanna be a little bit more clear about the study. Yeah. The results of the study, have you, I mean, are they mapped out clearly what you want? I mean, yeah, so this would be, this would be, so disparity study is it looks at differences in sort of economic. And what my point to say that is you can kind of tell where is Flummon blight exists. Well, we have that in the need that. I know, but I mean $100,000 for documentation of what I already know is Fl moment light. That's why I'm asking. I'm asking for a clear condition of satisfaction as to what we're paying money for. That's. Yeah, so this would this would render a report that is you know can be can be included on our extension on our extension application. I think $100,000 is probably more than it's going to take, but I don't have a number. So the mayor, you know, I think is excited to get it going. So. And who's going to do the study? You're going to hire a firm? It's going to be one of the firms from the approved list that either the city or the county has for planning just because that's going to be faster. Motion? I'll have a motion in a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Passes. Next item is. This is the 163rd Street Rehabilitation Project. This is a project that extends through the city on 826. This portion of the project within the CRA is, I've heard your request many times to make 163rd Street look nicer, be nicer. Well, the CRA does though. So on 167th, we don't. In the CRA we do. So I was just having to think about it. Yeah, it's the one, it's the other one. Yeah, it's a good town. Yeah, it's horrible. Well, I would suggest that Dave County let you take control of that, but I think they're not doing that anymore. That's beyond my pay grid. But we have a more auditorium on the right here. So I have heard. But I mean, if we were to request to expand into that mall area. So if you'd like to go back, I think each of you would have this potential expansion item, this map, should be individually. There you go. So these are four areas that I have either had discussions I have either had discussions with some of you about the idea of expanding to these places or have talked to the planning department as like a need or the city manager's office as you know, like it's worth exploring. So I don't know what the will of the board is. I would suggest that you're asking to expand to this map. So I'm asking, what I'm gonna say is, so the 163rd Street Mall, I bring it up because you mentioned expanding the CRA outside the district of the city. Technically, it is possible legally. There are two CRAs in the state of Florida that have a mixed municipal unincorporated boundary. So that's why I put the 163rd Street mall as a potential. It is probably significantly more complicated to get political buy-in for that, but it is legally feasible. I say that I'm not a lawyer. But I think it's really worth exploring. That site is right in the center of the city and of the CRA. You know, we're basically hugging it. And it's been decrepit for decades. Almost, you know, like forever. So I think getting that site back on its feet is really would help the entire image of the entire city, but especially get the CRA back like pumping again. That's why I put that on there. I know it's weird. Washington Park, of course, I've heard a lot about the Washington Park project on the actual park itself, but I know, you know, that's an area that has some, you know, may or may not need some issues. the 151st Street, TOD. This is the industrial district near the tri-rail stop. I think this is sort of like a natural CRA area because right now it has a lot of sort of warehouses but also like, bloody kind of things going on. There's, you know, cracked up concrete because tow trucks are driving on it all the time. Stuff like that, like things that the CRS sort of designed to work with, as well as the tri-rail stop coming, which if when tri-rail comes, the federal government's going to put some money in and they're going to say, okay, where's the match? And tri-rail is going to say, well, we have this much for match and the county is going to say, well, we have this much and then they're going to still be short. And so what they're going to ask the developers to put the money in. So if you don't have developers, if you have car lots and things like that, they're not going to, They't care about tri-rail, right? So I think there's a probably, my guess is that you will this year probably start thinking about how do we reason this area to be A, get this more tax base, B, get more residency, C, how do we start to put housing affordability into our city? Can we get sort of student living housing for the students at FIU? Is this the place where the city of North Miami Beach should the county require you to build affordable housing? it come in in In this area like how do we how do we sort of get some things that the city's missing right now in that area? So that's why I put that one in there Highland Village. I Know Highland Village is unique. I think it's, I want to make sure that we understand that like the CRA, if it came there, it wouldn't be there to totally redevelop that neighborhood. It would be there to lift the existing residents of that neighborhood up to give them things that they are not able to get right now in terms of like, you know, funding for park projects, funding for stormwater drainage. All of that kind of stuff that's, you know, maybe would be really useful for that neighborhood. I know it's already got sewer because of the transportation. I need transportation to schools. Right so one thing but I mean using the trolley and school that should not be our responsibility just as a general. So I know I know I know trolley is everybody has opinions so Anyway, those are the those are four areas. If you guys like, and I'm happy to have already started going through. You don't need a motion for that, right? This is the motion to extend the CRA. So what I would do is just, I would just add this. Okay, so I have a motion, do I have a second? Wait I? Sorry. Sorry for making it. Go ahead. OK, so just. Oh, it is on. OK. You're louder than me. OK, so I agree with 1.63rd Mall. I think that it's on our street. There's just, it doesn't work to just have this little void. The question that I have is Washington Park. Like I think right now we have invested or the city is already, you know, already has a $30 million bond to redevelop, you know, the community center. Now I understand that there's probably other infrastructure. No, I understand. Yeah, and I'm not entirely possible, possibly short. Like, let's say if we wanted to do septic to sewer in that area, whether people would be happy about the bills that they're supposed to pay for sewer. But, um, so whole other conversation. Yeah, it is another conversation. So what I'm saying is like, I'm looking at the possibilities of that. Because if you're clearing up light, like, there's, to do when the streets are very narrow. It's much the same way as Highland Village. Either way, I think that the plans for these two areas, I'd like to see them come like a little bit of a brainstorming session. Yeah, so we can't approve this unilaterally, and I can't even get your approval of it until I present to you the finding of necessity for those areas as well as, you know, I'm going to, and I'd like to jump ahead from C to 7. I just want to find, okay, just one second. Just because I noticed a little comment from the mayor. Sorry. Oh sorry the chairman sorry no I nothing against you I just wanted to let you put it on the record so everyone knows when something goes into the CRA right the county contributes a third of it and the city can well I mean what was it two fits we worked it out two fifths the county contributes two fifths and we contribute three, well, I mean, what was it? What was it? Two fits. We worked it out. Two fits. The county contributes two fits, and we contribute three fits, right? So it doesn't mean that like when it goes in there, the city's also losing out on that funding. Now, us gaining 163rd will possibly, you know, have the CRA have more money for us to do other things. So when we're deciding on what to throw inside of CRA, I want us to consider that because that means that there's less funding for the city. And so I also think the, there's gonna need to be an interlocal agreement created between the city, the CRA and the county that will define the terms of the extension of life. The last few CRAs that have been extended have had a decrease in the taxable collection that they take. Also when a piece of property comes into the city, it still pays the taxes that it's paying to the city. It's the increment that comes to the CRA. So in the first year, the increment for Washington Park is gonna be fairly small. It'll pay its regular taxes back to the city and throughout the lifetime of the CRA. And then, per the interlocal, the amount of the increment that comes to the CRA from the city's collection, revenue, advalorment taxes, and the county's advalorment taxes, that's negotiated through the interlocal. If it was 95% of each, then you're right. It's probably right now the milled rates are such that it's three fifths and two fifths. But that two fifths would be going county-wide, otherwise, and now it's coming to the city of North Miami Beach. So that, like I said, we'll have to bring that interlocal to you for approval. You'll have to approve it twice once here and once an hour later. And a two hours later, maybe sorry. And that's why I asked for a special meeting. Right now, I have on here May 6th, I would like to have your concession to change it to May 5th. If we can. Why can't we meet on the commission? Yeah, well, see, that's the thing, I might have an issue with that particularly day as well. That's, that might be an issue for me. Can we get the week of May 5th, and then I will coordinate it with the reason. What's the reason? So the idea is if the Tallahassee build doesn't die, which I think it's probably been deferred temporary. It is. But if it doesn't die, if it is amended to pass where it just limits the date when your sunset date is locked in. Right now that says July 1st. So I would think that we should be expeditious about doing. So this sort of this is why I suggest if it does happen then don't I have to build just to call a special meeting because it's don't have that. Yeah that's true. I'll just call the special. But I mean I think I'd like to give you guys a couple weeks. If it happens, it happens. I'll just keep it that way. If it happens, it happens. OK, so right now, no special meeting. It happens. This will come on the next board meeting. Well, OK. I don't think we have a scheduled meeting in May either. So it bet it'll come on the third Tuesday of May before at the 4 p.m. All right. Do we need a scheduled meeting in May either so it'll come on the third Tuesday of May before at the 4 p.m. All right. Do we need a motion for the 6c? So let me go back to that. Oh, okay, so we have we have the motion. Do we have a do I have a second? We had a first and a second. All in favor say aye. Passes. All right. Was that one 63rd or was that? That's the one 63rd. That's the one we had a motion. Yeah, we did have a motion to say. That being said, we go to action item number eight. Adorama. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I have some stuff I'd like to also discuss first. But there's no discussion item. I get it. May I, Mr. Mayor? Please go ahead on board another discussion item, but you know, at the same time, there was no meeting. So we didn't have any time to add anything. So I wanted to ask in our next, in our next board meeting, if the CRA director can bring forth a sort of annual. What is that usually called? Annual report. And your report? I actually have that I can send it to you. Can you make sure we have you in your own way? What I want to to tell you has that. What I want to see specifically is not more specific thank you. More specific to actual accomplishments actual accomplishments right that in the last two years that your team has done yeah and and the reason is is very clear um you know there's a lot of things that we see here that are very redundant and it's not because you're not um you're not you know doing you're you're not playing your role but we we're seeing them coming back over and over and over again. So, give me a second. So the goal here is to actually get projects done, right? And so when I see the canal, I can imagine we've been talking about doing this canal. This has been 2000, at least since we've been on the commission. No longer. 2018, but before that, years before that, right? That's it. You were here. We talked about the history and everything. Right. Okay. Yes. Thank you for bringing that up. That you guys mentioned the history. So, you know, what makes you different, right? And that's kind of what we want to see. At least in my seat. I agree with you. What I want to see is number one in the last two years. what have we actually accomplished? And what can we see that's actually showing us progress as it relates to your firm in the CRA? And then number two, I wanna know, do we still have an agreement with RMA? Yeah, RMA, we have an agreement with RMA that come and consult on some stuff for us. I'd like to see what have they done in the past two years. I can help you with that. And if we can get kind of an update on their agreement with us and how they're playing our roles. And some of the work that we're doing. They actually helped us put together the annual report this year. So I'll send that to you right when I get back to my office. All right, so it can that be an agenda item on the next meeting. Sure. Okay. Thank you. I will go to invite I go to vice Chair real quick, but one thing that we need to fix in that when I was talking with the CIA directors, some of the policies when it comes to the Del Mar except the sewer hookups. So the issue is that there's like, if you can explain it and like, we should come up with a policy that's a streamlined, but go ahead. Yeah, I think those Corona Del Mar are subject to sewer. Those are two projects that are going to be, you know, they're taking a significant amount of funding from the CRA. So they're pretty big improvements. Coronadel Marfez II is the residential component south of 163rd between 18th and maybe 17th and the train tracks, I guess. That sort of higher density garden apartments, multi-family units in there, none of them, or very few of them had any sewer connection. And so the CRA is in process with the water department, providing a new lift station and gravity drain, gravity main, and then going sort of resident to resident to resident to connect, to do the actual connections. The reason why that's happening is because, in previous era, the CRA or the city would come and lay down the main, the sewer main and then say, okay, connect. And for one reason or another, the businesses or the residents never ended up connecting. And now we have what's happening on 163rd Street, which is the county looks at it and says these people have sewer and they're not connected. That means we need to send them a letter that says they need to connect and Right now on a hundred and sixty-third street any certificate of use That's trying to be gotten by a change in a business is being withheld from the county to say look no You can't change your use you have to connect to the sewer and then you can change your use. Now, in 2010 or 2015, when that sewer originally came in, it cost about $15,000. I'm told to connect to the sewer. Now, it's upwards of $40,000 per person. And I have people that are paying $80,000, $90,000 to connect to sewer. You have to install your own individual pump station with a grinder connected to this two inch, it's called a high pressure force man. So the Corona Del Mar phase three observed that and said, let's go in and let's actually connect each individual property owner to the sewer. It's very complicated. Each connection requires like five different permits from the county, from the city. Because our permitting process is all screwed up. Because you have to get a permit from here, there, and there. And when it needs to be streamlined, I was on the director to come up with a policy, the streamline on that. Because like you said before, there's a resident that has a hole, that has a hole's been there how long? I think it months, I would. I I would back there she was completely like and like she had the dream or her mother and and they they came in started doing the work couldn't achieve the permit to finish the work and then so the contractors stopped you know cities trying to get the funding cities trying to get the permit, they got the permit, they have to pay the permit, you have to get finance to cut like six checks. It's a real- Six check. So it's an incredibly difficult sort of red tape. Well, that's what it is. It's red tape. So I asked this year to come up with some type of policy to streamline that, so that was an issue. but so we can wrap it up by share. $100,000 to tell where a flamen blight is. Anyway, you get it. OK, so I just wanted to implant this in our chair and our board members because I believe the library is in the CRA area. And if we are looking to redevelop our library or improve the library or build a new library, I want to see if there's some way that we can do that with the CRA. So, Steven will tell you CRAs are... What better way to get rid of slum and blight but education,? Well, we need to be more educated. There are specific prohibitions about how you can spend money on government-owned buildings and almost everyone at the FRA will say, oh, Syrias cannot invest money in government-owned buildings. However, it says that except with the permission of each taxing authority. So if we go to all the taxing authorities and get that permission, then it is possible to invest money in the library. I am happy to make that effort if the board wants to do it, put it in the redevelopment plan. That's something that, you know, you all will have to make that decision. I'm happy to talk to you individually, however you guys want to. I think it's worth exploring, at least to see the possibility. Oh, he has a direction. Talk to the library director first. No, no, I think she's ahead of us She's already got plan all right number now we're building plans number eight a drunk most all of them say hi Thank you, no problem