Okay, are we ready? Okay. Full house tonight. Good evening, everyone. It is 7 p.m. O'log is 21st and I'm like to call the monthly, it's not the monthly, it's a special plan in commission meeting where it's special based upon chapter 235-10E of the development code. It's our second meeting this month. The meeting was last month, the regular meeting, and so this is our special meeting to conduct a couple of items on business. With five out of seven members of this commission in attendance, we have a quorum and we can conduct our business at hand for the people watching at home. This meeting is being live-streamed and is being recorded and can be viewed on the city's web page at Aberdeen.nd.gov and the minutes are being taken by the talented Stephanie. Thanks, Stephanie. And I guess I don't have to ask anybody in the ten and audience to silence their phones. Let's see what else. We don't have any minutes to approve from the last meeting. Let's see. There are two items on the agenda this evening, but prior to that, today all of us received a letter emailed from the mayor. And I would like if you would be so kind, the council president and then liaison to the Planning Commission to read into the record of the letter from Mayor Patrimic Grady. Sure. Thank you. Thank you, I you. Thank you. I'm planning commissioners. I don't know if you had a chance to review yet but again for everyone second for the public's sake since the public has access to the mental we sent to you on the end of July. So, Mayor sent the following as a response to some of the feedback you received from the meeting you guys had last week. And again, apologies for not being able to attend as I was at the make-o conference. Says Ms. Grover, I think there is some confusion about the memo that the City Council forward to the Planning Commission regarding the table of uses. Will you please forward this email to the members of the Planning Commission so that it can help clarify what the Council is trying to do? The City Council and the Court and to the further record Mr. Griver has shared this with the Planning Commission. The City Council as a legislative body recognizes and appreciates the independence of the Planning Commission and its role in recommending code changes, long term planning and other matters of import to the sphere of planning. On behalf of the City Council, we appreciate that the Planning Commission scheduled this special meeting to pick up these important matters to keep the comprehensive zoning process moving forward timely. The Complan and Commission and the City Council have worked together to adopt the comprehensive plan in 2022 and very recently adopt zoning changes associated with the comprehensive resigning and as you are aware from your meeting last week we approve that at our meeting on the 12th. Now together we move into the next phase where the table of uses and definitions are evaluated for compliance with the vision tied into the comprehensive plan and the recently approved zoning changes. The member that was sent to the Planning Commission on behalf of the City Council showed all the recommended changes to the table of use as circulated amongst the City Council. These recommendations are not and should not be received as instructions to the Planning Commission, but are intended to show the big picture direction that the individual members Comparizing of the city council would like to go and just for my own commentary that Remember again is all the Individual thoughts put together one not the position of the body as a whole The decisions about which uses like apartments, or convenience stores, or restaurants are allowed to be constructed at each of the zoning changes are one or B3 or M2, or a serious matter that demand serious consideration. Each planning commission member should contemplate how the comprehensive plan fits into the zoning decisions and look at the definitions for all the potential uses and the table of uses as you work collectively to make a recommendation to the City Council. For the Office of the Mayor, I encourage you to think about the long term vision of the city and feel free to request additional help if you need it and additional questions to the Council for any clarification on the recommended changes as the noted in the memo. Another item for you to consider, I recommend modifying your rules of procedure to require an agenda item at every public meeting of the Planning Commission to allow for public comment on matters currently before the Planning Commission. Bodies in Maryland are permitted to restrict the topics, and I think this would be a good way for the community to feel like they're able to participate in the process if they show up to the meeting and want to weigh in. It should not add any egregious amount of time to meetings, especially when the topics are limited to the agenda. The City Council recently modified their rules of procedure to limit public comments to a total of three minutes and I would encourage a similar time limit for your public comment at all meetings. For the City Council's eye, we will take your recommendation seriously with respect to the time and energy that went into them. And we, as we deliberate on the legislative implementation of your recommendations respectfully, Pete. And I would echo a lot of those comments as well from the mayor who sent this out independently today. Thank you, Councillor Broussain. Regarding the second item that he was just talking about, do you encouraging us as a body to add public comment on the agenda for every one of our meetings. Not necessarily highly in favor of that, but if and I want everybody's opinions sitting up here We're down a couple of members tonight, but I'd be willing to consider that as chair putting on agenda But with a couple or two or three stipulations or caveats Like the council when they have public comment. They've limited to three minutes Okay, so I would recommend if we do it three minutes also Stick to the topics that are only agenda not just anything They happen to want to talk about all right because we remember we're a recommending body We are not authority to do it anything really that that much and then the third caveat would be Limited to one comment per person per meeting so the person couldn't stand up and do, take the three minutes, sit down, and come back up and do another three minutes. So if we decide we want to do that collectively, I'd be happy to add it to the agenda. The mayor recommends it. Any thoughts from anybody up here? I have no problem with it. I like your three caveats. So I'm fine doing it. I think. I like it. I like your three caveats. So I'm fine doing it. I think I'm sorry. I'm fine doing it. I think it would be a good thing and with the three caveats. I want to make sure that though because I think they're very important especially the three minute per person per meeting. Yes. Concept. So So it's not a bounce back, bounce back, bounce back. But now I think it would be good to have it. I'm all in favor with for it. Okay. Anybody else? Yeah, I have to other settlements as well. So it was with the three caveats. Agreed. My only issue is many times, not the folks in the audience don't always have all the information that we don't always have the all the information. And it can, I don't know, not backfire, but I'm not sure what word I want to use, but just the fact that comments are made many times prematurely before all the information is presented to us. So that said, I, we're just going to keep it at three minutes. And because we do allow, there are times that are mandated to have public comment. So this would be actually a way for us to go beyond that. I guess I don't have any real problem with that. Just for the record, Councillor Presidents, do they during the work session, do they allow public comment? No, there's no public comment during work sessions. The mayor or the chair, it is running the meeting, may ask of someone in the audience to provide information or feedback on something, but there's not open public comment during the work sessions. And that's an agenda item that there's no public comment. Well, it's just not only agenda. It's what's only agenda is, whatever we're discussing, are working on that night. There's no, I just wanted that for the work. Yeah, probably can attend. They just don't have the opportunity for both the comment or the discussion. OK, I thank you. I also think we should consider when in the meeting we have it. If it's before we have somebody here presenting a plan, or is it after somebody presents a plan for a vote? Before a vote. What's your thoughts on that? That's a good point. That's a good, it's a good. I mean, we can all look at plans and we have questions. Absolutely. So, are we the ones who wig? So, after the presentation and then before we vote, is that sound? I kind of like that because it gives us then another voice is heard that might happen to some of them. Yeah, we don't have to be like, oh, I didn't think of that question or something. So I think, you know, because we may not think of something that I I'm with you on that. We can't think of everything we don't. And we don't. Yeah, I agree with that. I think you know, see some some real consternation from the folks out in the audience that they can't come back up and ask for things again. Well they know the rules. I mean the rules are presented. I mean, I mean the recommendation and then it goes to the City Council and there's public comment twice when they get there. Yeah and the council allows public comment on this. Correct. Twice. Correct. There's typically a public hearing too. I mean. There has to be. Yeah. Yeah. OK. All right. So I think we have a consensus where we can add the public comment on the agenda. The only problem I see is if we have, for instance, next month, we have two preliminary site plans on the agenda. You know, we look at one and we say yes or no. And then we look at the next one and we say yes or no. Okay? The ones that got her school and the ones that the parcel down there on the 40-ap이�ords will vote. So you're going to allow, and I don't know any problem because you would allow a public comment for each agenda item. I think that gets complicated. I'm thinking maybe you should. That's why I asked why would you do it. Let's do it near the beginning of the meeting and if they know what they're here, they know what's on the agenda and they can speak to whatever agenda item it is, and if it's the Goddard school or the purestil, whatever it is, we'll just take it from home. And we'll take notes or mental notes or written otherwise, they've gotten their piece in and then we can do that. Because I don't want to have public comment or public comment. Right, right. Right, you know. No. One time. All right, so we're clear on everybody. You wanted at the beginning. We'll put it on the agenda at the beginning after. And we'll talk about anything that's on that agenda. So you take the roll call. Yeah. And then B would be public comment. And then we would put a note. Public comment is limited to three minutes. Yes. For individuals. For individuals. Is that what you want me to add? But you're admitted to add? Let me introduce one comment per person per meeting. That's what you said. And agenda items only. Yes. After approval. They can make several comments in the three minutes. Right. You got three minutes in the queue. Okay. I have another question now. Are you going to allow it to be open dialogue? So if someone says why are they providing 50 parking spaces? Are you going to have the engineer answer that? Are you going to answer that? That's a very good question. Is a staff going to answer that? Because typically I'm not put on the spot to answer their question. Public comment. Your question has been not there. Okay, so you know how that works on the council. The public comment is they talk the mayor and council listen and staff listen. Okay, if the mayor decides to respond, he can and he can ask the engineer. We could do it the same way we could just limit the public comment. We don't, we're recommending bodies a lot different than a person that has the authority to do something official. So any comments? I would suggest putting at the top of the meeting, as you are suggesting, three caveats make sense. And we have whoever's going to be presenting coming behind them, you would think they would probably address the comments of the public while they're presenting so that, yeah. This is why I don't turn around. I ask the same exact questions that are already coming up there. So the engineers or the developer representatives get answered the questions before we even ever change to answer them if they want to. Okay, I like it. Everybody cool? I know what that is. All right, good. All right, that's settled. Thank you for indulging in that. Let's see, discussion,1, the first item on the agenda this evening is discussion on Dr. Mammons to the Code City of Aberdeen, Chapter 335. La la la, this is going to take it away. Phil, let's go over. Please. So it's really two items. You're going to, after this discussion, then you're going to go into Council President Hives, emailed you in the table of use regulations. I'm assuming that's what we're going to do. Okay, good. So at your meeting last week, I asked for comments. I did get comments during the meeting from Beth about dwelling condominium and defining that. And we were all in agreement that I would add definitions regarding meeting the House Bill 538 requirements. So we know that we're going to have to redefine manufactured housing and there's a list of other triplex or cottage housing or there's a whole bunch. So I haven't heard from anybody else in comments. I think my business suggested that by email. So I'm putting you on the spot for comments and this would be on the draft ordinance and it's only articles one and two. Now, I did have a meeting with Stephanie and the city Attorney yesterday. They both have comments and my game plan was to incorporate their comments together, your comments, and whatever else I get from the Planning Commission and then come back with another draft of this article's one and two to keep this moving forward. Okay. Okay. Instead of giving you 300 pages of the amendments, I'm trying to do it by article to make it easier on everybody. Thank you. So you want our thoughts? Yes, please. Are you ready? You ready? Yeah, I don't have a time. You're good. It's just a typo. On the fourth line down over to the right. Undo crowding instead of crowing. Where are we on? I am on page one. 235 three purpose. I am about three quarters of the way away. You got it. Yeah, I'm a paragraph. Got it undo crewing Thank you Okay question on Age restricted and then double parenthesis. I'm sorry page three for me. Thank you Age restricted adult housing and adult is coming out. So should adult be removed on the top of page four in the first line where it has quotes, age restricted, adult housing and quote, should that then come out? Yes, it should. Page 7. Building frontage primary. Should it be entrance with, there are too many assets. Should it be entrance, Perrin S, Perrin. Not entrance is, Perrin S, and Perrin. Wait, I'll turn that. Thank you. Oh. OK, I'll fix that. One more second. Found that. Found that. That was Taylor. Page 15, K, dwelling unit. So we're removing what was the definition, and then we're adding a new definition. And I was just asking, my question is where did that definition where did that verbiage come from? Another code. Okay so these aren't philiskers. No I got you. Yeah I'm with thoughts. He code. I'm very in the scene of Maryland And I'm looking at four or five, either municipalities or counties. I look at Belair, I look at Hartford County. Same with Stephanie. She's looking at PG County and some other counties. And that's how we're coming up with these definitions. Okay. It's all Maryland based, right? There it's all Maryland. There you go. Thank you. All right. This really isn't, I think I answered my own question, but page 19. Under. Under homeless shelter. And I did a little research, so I probably answered my own question, because now what's being used is sort of the term of unhoused or, but from the research I did, they said that government agencies are still using the term homeless. So, there we go. Okay. Unless somebody has some real need for it to be unhoused instead of homeless, whichever. That's a good point, Terry. I mean, when I looked it up it was like, well, municipal agencies, government agencies are still using the term all their stuff of homeless. OK. I think they refer to them as people experiencing homelessness. I was at how they're doing. In addition, it was experiencing homelessness. OK. Yeah. And maybe because this is to my own personal experience, down at the bottom of 19 housing for the elderly. I don't know. Maybe I just take it personally. I qualify as elderly. I don't know whether it's like. I don't put old. I don't know. For seniors? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don I guess if nobody finds it offensive, then that's fine. Moving on. I just took it kind of personally. I think that's AARP 55 and over. Yes. Yes. I'm sure that's how that generated 55 and over. Yeah, that's an AARP. That's that. I think so. You got to let it from then to day. I remember 12 years. Not the only people who still use the postal service. Exactly. Page 24. Just some clarification for me, the neighborhood market. I couldn't in my mind come up with what examples. Do we have any of that currently? Or what would that yes we do I Believe if you're new York. They're called the bodega, but But the market on like the east side for an example in that shopping center Would be an example of the neighborhood market. Thank you. Okay. I't sure it couldn't come up with one. Okay. Wouldn't that also be considered like a wallow or a roof farm? It's like a little grocery store. What you have in the center, you just shall not include fuel pumps or selling fuel for medical. Right. Okay. So herb on the curb is a good example too. You know, the guy makes subs. Yeah. to you know the guy that makes subs. Yes. Yes. Yes. And that's you. Yes. And that one used to be SIDS. Yes. The getting the mark on what's the RAM. Yep. That's a mark. You saw Gatton. A long time ago. Just like that. And if you remember in the conference of playing a piece, they called out for little neighborhood markets in some of the planning areas. Okay, okay, that makes sense. Now I got you. Getting to the end of mine. Page 31. Oh, that is new then. Shopping Center. Six or more business uses. It has to have six or more business uses to qualify as a shopping center. And that's always been that way and I just don't remove it. Nothing changed. Okay. It doesn't have to remain that way. This is what the existing code says. I don't know. It just seemed like it just seemed like it hasn't changed. It hasn't changed. It's kind of restrictive. it had to be six. But unless anybody else has any other thoughts about it, I can certainly do a code search and see what other municipalities or counties define that as. How's that? OK. It might be less than six. We call it a strip. It's a shopping strip or something. These are a definition for five or less. A bodega. I'm not sure. The page 33, Tiny House, 400 square feet. Because I've seen in other things, like the little research, it was like 600 square feet. I don't know. 400 is the kind of the average. That's tiny house. It is tiny. Okay. Okay. We don't have any evidence that correct? No. Okay. But, but you don't. You'd be aware of it. Yeah. Accessory dwelling. Accessory dwelling. I said. Yeah. Okay. I think we should change that to 500 square feet. I guess to be consistent. I don't know. It's up to the planning commission. You got to language it from somewhere else in Maryland. Was it come or you know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's up to the planning commission. You got the language from somewhere else in Maryland, right? Yes, I did. Was it Kumar or do you know? I don't know. I'll find out if you want me to. No, I don't care. No, I didn't think so. But I guess I do want to consent this. Do you want it to be 400 or 500 or 600? Well, if an apartment's 500, guess a tiny. I don't, I don't know. It doesn't really, 400 is fine with me. I don't. I think it's just not a lock, I believe, didn't it? Including, not including a lock. Not including a lock. And that is the end of my comments. Thank you. You want to go next? I know next. Mark? I've got a few. On page 8, looks like we're deleting car wash? Yeah you know, a free standing car wash. That's how you do it. I guess they added this, they put it under all of it, see it's in Newman as opposed to just car wash. Yeah. Okay. I believe that's what's listed on the table of the uses too. It is. It is. It is. It is. Just some of the more typos, just the right hands, I go to any, I'm like page 23, major thoroughfare plan that the strike it is, the double parentheses is often on some of these. And what else I had? Oh, you mean the end? Yeah, double parenthesis like mathematical cannabis, the spans rate. Oh, I see it. And major, I got you. Yeah. And I think I was it. You had, you covered some of the I had and some of the that I didn't have. I think that's it. Thank you, Mark. Next, Darien or Beth? Neither one. I, at the previous meeting I'd mentioned including the definitions for triplexes, quadplexes, a cluster, and where we were going to put those in the development code. Then as far as this, it looks like we're changing the definition of a bank. as far as this. It looks like we're changing the definition of a bank. Page five. Page five, sorry. An establishment for the custody loan exchange or issue of money for the extension of credit or facilitating. For the finance. It wasn't there before. Right. Oh, okay. All right. What about check caching? So remember, if it's the note of the first page, if it's double parentheses, we're deleting it. Right. If it's in italics, we're adding it. And we are trying to be consistent with the table of uses. If there was a use on the table that wasn't defined, we're adding the definition for that use. Okay. Now, what about like check cashing facilities? Would you like to have that added? Is it not covered in the glass? I don't know if it is or not. I just didn't see it. I didn't see anything of check cashing. Well, I think the only. I mean, where is that part of the convene? I mean, I don't think- Being stores do that, right? Convenience stores do that, but I don't know if somebody, let's hold on a second. I don't think they have standalone check caching. I don't know. Is either a liquor store or a convenience store. Yeah, Mute. Campos does it over and, but they make burritos too. Yeah, but they're responsible. They're all free standing in the city like they're a free standing check cashier. That's all they do. Mm-hmm. All right. They use payroll advances and things like that. Ah. Probably wouldn't be a bad idea. We don't have any in the city, correct? No. Now, there are another use, but I think it's something. The ones that we do have are liquor stores. Yeah. I didn't know that can't go to school. I've not done a surprise. So this would be a free standing check cash. Yes. I think we should add it in case somebody wanted to. Okay. Okay. I'm going to agree with that. Page. Page number eight. So all the cannabis definitions come directly from the state bill, correct? Okay. All right. Now these will now be on earth. You just say cable use says. Yeah. And yes. So everything. And they're going to be the same pretty much as this. I'm going to use this metal. I never want the dispensary cable like this. Right. And see, they're in here under medical. Yes. And now they're just eliminating those and replacing with under cannabis as opposed to other N-L-N medical. You know? Strafing medical. Strafing medical can just put it in there. All right. So it's the same thing basically. Okay, so I guess my question is and I might be a bit naive about all of this, but like a cannabis growers that they're actually growing it and then but then it gets me in the fact it gets processed that's the other step in it right right right and then or they could be using it for their own why do they do that at home so cannabis stores a business that called the business the process is a business that transforms cannabis into another product or an extract. So it's pretty self. We struggled with this. This is your authorised by the state. Right, right. We struggled with this when medical marijuana was first legalized. Mm-hmm. Okay. So. I guess I'm just saying that. We did. We did a lot. We have to treat it the same as that. If you're a grower, is that only an ad work in ag? But we don't have that. And if you're a processor, is that only in where? Today. Please just look at the deck. Oh, sorry, sorry. Please look at the definition. And then you can look at the table uses when you finish with this, right, sorry. Please look at the definition. And then you can look at the table uses when you finish with this, right? Yes. You're going to jump right into that. Yes, you are. Hopefully. That was really, I pretty much all my other comments were. We've talked about. So your comment really is where will they be permitted? Okay, so we're just going to move on. Sorry about that. Jumping ahead. I forgot. Like. Yes. Hit me back. I forgot a couple. What's that? Like, yes. Hit me back. I forgot a couple. What's that? Oh, OK. So just hit me back. I got you. I'm going to take Terry while you're doing this. Oh, I'm done. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. I was waiting for you. Terry, I'm going to go back to Terry real quick. I have to finish. Everything's been answered. You got nothing right now. All right. Well, thank you. Hey, you have to process. I like that. Then you got to come back to me. Yes. OK, a kennel. All right. So it's, I'm sorry, page 20. So a kennel is an establishment which five or more domestic animals in it. So what does the county say residents can have how many, like five dogs, or is it five dogs? So technically, are they not a kennel? I mean, you're seeing them? So five is a residence. Is a kennel really six? I don't know. And this question would be five. Okay. I don't know. It's five, the number. I think six. You think six. Because residents can have five. Oh, you have five dogs. Oh, it's just five dogs. I think it's just five. I can't. There's no limit on the number of total answers. No, just five dogs. I got you. Okay, I'm with you. Can Big US on the chickens? Right. We need to address that at some point. Please do. Please do. I didn't vote for that bill. I have to limit the number of. Very hard to interpret that What we need to do one of the numbers chickens. I thought didn't we do that? We didn't talk about the number. I don't think that's where the that's a discussion of another time But I would like to see the number of Requett our number of permits the loud versus how many are actually out there? Yeah, that's how many you wish you Yeah, I think we've issued one. Yeah, okay. For chickens? Oh, great. There's a whole lot more out there than it is. We've got this. Yeah. Complaints is all that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a whole lot. And we know there's more than one out there. I can't remember. Yeah, I don't remember what the square footed just. See when it was originally written, and the intent of the permit was to actually have the chickens themselves, not the coop. That was more. Originally, that was the intent of the bill was if you get a permit, you can get the chickens, not the permit on the coup. So I don't know how it was always interpreted since it was enacted, but that was the intent of the legislation originally. That if I want one chicken or if I want a dozen chickens, I got to get a permit from the city. Not whether I have a coup that's this big or a coup that's this big. I know how it's facilitated over the last two, three years, how since that bill's been in place, but that was the intent of the amendments that count. No, they can't know how to build in. I know actually by square footage. Yes, and they did have to have a square footage limitation because there is a loophole in the original legislation. And this comes down to my not being knowledgeable in building things. So Mike, so page 21, lot corner. This may be in the weeds and it doesn't have key answer. Just look at Angotera, that's a stupid question. When it talks about an interior angle of 135 degrees or less, is this seems a bit different. Is that kind of a standard thing? Look, I'd sell them my comments. No, I mean it would be this. What I found in multiple municipalities, but I mean, please feel free to Google. And if you want to come up with something better, I'd be open to any of that. I'm just not in, I'm just, if that's standard, that's, I'm not a builder, so I don't know. Okay, that's it for me. Ironically, that was one of my comments, and I wrote, seems a bit detailed. I kind of like the original one better, but I'm okay with all the detail, about 135 degree angle or less, but yeah, that was one of the ones that I had identified. I'm good, I'm good. You're good. I promise I won't open it again. I'll be brief as I possibly can. Page three. And you're going to laugh at me for where I'm starting, where it happens to be a dog bookstore or a dog entertainment center. It's like, I know it's been there. But they grouped those two together, and I guess my question to you, fellas, could or should those two uses be separated into two different things. The adult bookstore seems a whole lot different to me by reading this definition than the Adult Entertainment Center. They seem like the Adult Entertainment Center is a lot more extreme than a bookstore. We can leave it as it is, but my thought was maybe those two things could be separated into two separate things. And if you read it it you may agree with me I think I'm an idiot. I don't know. I was embarrassed to bring this one up. Ah! So you think you have to read it out loud? I read it and I thought, well that's a lot of detail. It is a lot of the largest paragraph in here. I didn't even know that I had a title for it. But you did read it. So it seems to me a book store. Like there's one, Jackie's on the way to have a guess on Route 40. She sells lingerie too. Jackie's boutique and stuff, right? Right. But it's this also, whatever. So that last sentence doesn't mean anything? That last sentence. Adult Entertainment Center includes an adult bookstore. Oh, yeah. It does mean something, but I'm just... I, uh, I had to take to say this. Entertainment Center just seems... I'm talking to my... It seems a lot... It's not me, I didn't misspell anything. We're proud of you. I think some of these adult bookstores also have what used to be called peep shows. Yes, they did. Yes. Adult entertainment. Adult entertainment. And that is, I think that is what, you're trying to make it all encompassing here. Am I right? You are. Whatever might be going on. Many of them like to place down there, Bush River. I would not have ever had that before. I would not have ever had that before. I've never been in there. Meeting the Lord. I've been, I've been, I've been, but you've heard the stories. I've heard the stories. Yes. But many of them will have peep shows in the back. Where you put a quarter in or fiddle. I don't know what it is. You get a score. I just show you, no. I don't know if it's so hard. A quarter. Are we all doing that? I think that's what my right that's the the just of this I think it is it is it is yes yes yes okay so we don't need to separate the two this seems to me like it needs to be defined though well what do you want them to say I'm not a type one here what else well we don't have any in the city. Oh, you think I've covered everything. I think I've covered everything. Oh, absolutely. There's nothing missing there. A lot I didn't know about. You covered everything. If you said Google, I'm not even able to say it. So I learned something. I learned something every day. Yeah, when I read it, I was like, what? OK. Yeah, when I read it, I was like, what? OK, so if we don't want to separate in the two-super thing, that's fine. It was just a thought. I would like to have less eyes on that definition. OK, that's fine. That's OK. And if I say something in a way, you're talking about a choice. I'm not going to talk about multiple times. These would be the fine. Page 9, I have a question. Page nine, club, nonprofit. The definition is fine. Is that would be like a lion's rotary, et cetera, things like that? OK. It was just a quick question. Unless there are nonprofit. But fraternal to me is like the mousse lodge or the moussin lodge? Elks. We have to be a member. Well, the nonprofit and then the private, you know, private ones. This is a nonprofit. So that would be, right, lines are every. Mm-hmm. Right. Cool. On page 12, there is a redundancy. It says critical area buffer twice in the whole. I don't see any difference between the existing one maybe I'm wrong and then and the new one in a Uphlite talus italics it's double I'm sorry I missed that yeah it's their twice oh yeah sure so we really don't need the italics one in here because it's already in there and it's a it's verbatim right okay so it's just strike one of them. I have to look at it. Yeah, I. Right? Yes. On page 14, I think somebody already touched on this already. Bottom of 14 dwelling mobile home. And I know what I met with Stephanie a few days ago or we'd go whatever's been. The term mobile home is being replaced by manufactured home. Is that correct? Somebody? Yeah, that'll have, I mean, philosophical answer. But I think that's one of the definitions that has to be changed to be consistent with the house bill. So we'll change the title of that dwelling slash manufactured home, I guess, instead of mobile. Does that make sense? Yes. Okay. On page 18, halfway house, the bottom part, the italicize part, just being replaced and above it. Lord's halfway house number one, a halfway house that admits at least nine but not more than 16. So where do we go if we have more than 16? Is that it's not allowed or is that just an arbitrary number from somebody else's code? I'm just, if we have one that holds 20 people, what do we do? That's great to have a question on.. Maybe it's going to have short-range. Yeah, a lot of people. That's good for us. I like that. I believe this is out of the state, but I will double check like Comar, but I'll double check. I know for group homes, that's the definition for it's 9 to 16 is a large and less than 9. This is group homes. Should we change it to 9 or more or do we want to put a cap on it or do we leave it at 16? That's my question. So the difference. Phil is to say this is from the state. I believe it is because I did these months ago. So I can go back and check, but I pulled this from something. Okay. Either comar or from another code that our definition really need to be updated for halfway house. But when we do that, I can see the old beneficiaries in the new definition. I just was, you know, let's say somebody has 18 to 20, 22. I, that won't be permitted then, is that? That's how I would take that. It's quite halfway. Are we okay with that? Yeah, man. So, how many comes in? And then the difference between a group home and a halfway house is one is a mental disability home and the other one is substance-based. They could both be behavior-health or substance-based or they could be handicapped. The individual substance-related disorders who are capable of self-care, but not ready to turn to independent living. Doesn't, yeah. I have new comments from the city term that just came in this afternoon about group homes. So I checked, I have new definitions for that. Let's move on. All right then. Page 26 under personal services near the, you know, the third one from the bottom. We're striking of all these things that are considered personal services, you know, blah, blah, blah, and then we're striking steam bass, reducing salons. Just curious, I'm not quite even sure what a reducing salon is. I think I know what a steam bat is. Are we striking them for any particular reason? Or just? I think there's your old terms. I don't know if any reducing salons are called weight loss centers. Is that what they are? Or weight loss management. Okay. And a steam bed, you would have that like at a YMCA, or a health spa or something like that. It's a sauna, right? Sauna. So these are like old terms. Okay, so we're just tracking because they're antiquated terms. Yeah, they're in. All right, cool. Thank you for clarifying. It was just a question why we're striking. Page 31 sidewalk. It says within the transit-oriented development districts, the Pavley-A-R building front is dedicated exclusively to pedestrian activity. My question is, it says within the transit-oriented development district, and it's on a lot of different things too. But this one was just kind of, to me, it stuck out. Asylum is not just within the transit-oriented development, it's like everywhere. I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not going to talk about that. Yeah, but under 2012 so under definition if that's what you would like for me to do. I don't know is everybody It seems to me Well, yeah, we have sidewalks in front of our houses I will see if there is an issue within the TOD and if there isn't then I'll change this. Thank you. Page 32, special exception. The second item down. Use which is subject to approval by the board. Is that the board of appeals or? Yes, the board of appeals. Should we change that to the board of appeals then? Or is it the way it is? Okay. Okay. Yeah, I'll add board of appeals. Let's see. This is admired. I think page 34, transit array development, TOD, development that combines a pedestrian, a pedestrian friendly environment. It's just, there's, I don't know what I'm, oh, and generally located within one half mile sidewalk route. Should that be generally located within a, one half mile sidewalk route? I don't know. See what I was saying? The second line down? Yep, I know what you're saying. Yes, just maybe add a letter A there. Um, maybe that. We're good. Thank you. And thanks everybody for the time, uh, looking for changes in amendments or whatever to the draft. It only could. So, Philist, the next thing is I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, the table of uses. And I'll turn that over to Council President Hyde. All right, thank you, ma'am. Thank you. Mr. Grover and Chairman. So throughout the process where the council was discussing the comprehensive rezoning of the properties that have come and gone now through the whole process, there was desire from members of the council to move the process forward relating to the table of uses because there is a desire to have the definitions and the table of uses at the same time when determining what is going to be agreed upon basically. In terms of definitions that we agreed to in the ordinance as well as What may or may I get changed or? Add or remove from the table as currently drafted Long story short There was a desire to get feedback from the council collectively on where the council stood and to give that to the planning commission to provide Independent feedback and to give that to the Planning Commission to provide independent feedback separate of every council member standing up there at the microphone saying this is what I think this is what I think this is what I think so this document came together with everyone's feedback and I collected it all put it on a memo that was agreed upon by the council and shared with you all. Again, these are all the feedback from all council members. None of this has been deliberated amongst us. There is some consensus based off of the feedback that I received, but it's not a, for example, halfway house, everybody wants that or nobody wants it, one person wants it, removed from the code. For example, based based on one of the that's on here so Ideally the council wants to move forward with it. We had a quicker pace so that's why we asked for the extra meeting We appreciate you guys taking the time to do that tonight and for the staff to be here tonight on another evening so That's where the September date came in after your September meeting. So I'm here to answer any questions that I can from the council's perspective on these. If you have questions on them, some justification on it, then I can take it back to the council and then share it again with you all before your September meeting. But really, it was just to try to give an unbiased and a blank canvas view of the council and giving you the opportunity to give us your feedback as the citizen planters and recommending body on what you see here and with the Mayor indicated how it relates back to our long-term planning and comprehensive plan and the new zoning map that will take effect in a couple of weeks. Thank you. So proceeding onto this table of use regulations, a memo proposed amendments, let's put that way. How do we go about this? You want to go down one line at a time and just work through it. And everybody looks like the first page, whatever, the first page starts out with the age restricted. And then we'll take that line and give line by line, I guess. I don't know, try to work through it as fast as we can. Does that make sense to everybody? Or is there a better idea? I think that's something I can think of. All right, Terry, you're up. Just take the first. I'll just add before you guys get started. Based on the feedback from the council, if there are ones that you don't deem appropriate, even if it's a comment or sentence, I know it can be drafted by September or September state. The council just wants the feedback if it's yes, okay great if it's not just give us a little like one sentence two Sends doesn't conform doesn't make sense on conforming uses So and so so that's all that we would collectively ask of the planning commission so As we go through these I mean there are minutes taken this is being recorded. My question is, after we go through these, somebody asked if I guess compile the comments and we may not all agree on everything up here. So it's going to be, I would say if the five here say, yeah, you like it. Majority says it, then that will be what the recommendation from the Planning Commission is, even if say it's three to two or four to one. Okay. If it's three or four, you think it's, don't do it. I mean, then that would be the only place where it would be like, hey, a sentence or two, that they can look, the council member could look back at the minutes, could look back at the meeting. Yes, it's all recorded. I will try to put a sentence or two together from what came out of this following tonight or the next meeting, but that was just a request of the council that I wanted to convey. And for my own personal thing, I think I'm going to put like an X or a check as we go through each line by line just so I'll know how it went. Does that sound fair enough? Okay. All right, age restricted housing. They want to strike it from R3. Any thoughts on that everybody? Well, I guess they're changing it. Oh, well, they're not striking it. Are they changing it to special exception? I'm sorry, special exception, adding it to it. Right, they're changing it from the jump to gun. From permitted to special exemption. Right. from the jump to gun. From permitted to special exemption. And I'm fine with that. Kind of consistent with the R1 and 2. That's one. Just trying to move to say something. Something like Catholic charities would be, wouldn't be accepted. That's a huge restricted. Yeah, so right now it's not allowed in the beef right now. That's a little bit more. That's a little bit more. That's a little bit more. That's a little bit more. That's a little bit more. That's a little bit more. That's a little bit more. That's a little bit more. That's a little bit more. That's a little bit more. That's a little bit more. That's a little bit more. That's a little bit more. That's a little bit more. Yes. I think Catholic charities and fairbrooks are great additions to our community. I think they should be permitted in our trade. But that's what they currently are permitted in our trade. Now they want to change it to a special exception in our trade. They're permitted now. They're permitted now. They're permitted now. That's right question that. I mean, I really think those facilities, I mean say a bright view wanted to come here or another age restricted housing facility. And what do we hear from a lot of people is we don't have enough senior housing. Senior housing. I think it should be a permitted use. To do too. In R3. Leave it's reference exception in R1 and R2. Mm-hmm. To recommend, uh, Darren, you got anything on this? I agree about there. All right. Chair, are you doing that? Yep. All right. We're going to recommend P. And stays is P. And stays is P. And stays is P. So that's going to get it. All right. Next one down. Department of accessory to primary of residents, they're adding it as a permitted in R1. It used to be a special exception. Now they want to change it to a permitted use. And I don't know. I wavered on this one because I thought the R1, you know, it's the low density. And I think that people with the low density have certain expectations of their residents. I kind of liked it staying as a special exemption. Phyllis, aren't we proposing to eliminate that definition and just because there's a apartment accessory to primary residents and and dwelling accessory apartment. So we were proposing to consolidate that just a dwelling accessory apartment. Oh I see it okay all right I got you. Where's I'm a little down a little further starting with dwelling. Going garden apartment, going high rise and and in the old code, dwelling accessory apartment was not permitted at all in R1. It was a special exception. Currently, it's now out in the R1 under accessory dwelling. Dwelling, dwelling, but apartment accessory to primary residence, currently a special exception. Yeah, I think it should stay It was special exception. Yeah, special exception. Yeah, I think it's a special exception. Fourth one. Twilling a session. OK. Anybody else on that? Special exception. On the dwelling accessory apartment. Right. Because the other one's getting taken out. Right. The accessory to a primary resident as well. Did we skip? Yeah. We got to go back. The only because it was a redundant thing. So we're back to assisted living facility, special exception under R3. And that was permitted. Right, currently it's permitted. I think it should still be permitted. We say citizens care came in. Absolutely. Right, so long as same line. Right. Long the same line of age restricted That's the same yeah, and I think if you look at a Citizens care I think they're an asset to city average Oh, you were talking about having great yes, I thought okay or a war in or yeah, absolutely like or a war in right exactly Starling whatever Okay, so we want to keep it in as permitted use Continuing care facility May want to leave everything the same except for obviously strike it out of R3 I disagree with that I disagree with that you're all in the same genre they're all in the same genre. They're all in the same family. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. For the same reasons. Yeah. Same reasons. And you know, with the opening of the medical center that we have, it will draw, I think, it may draw those type of businesses here. We had met with this, the mayor and I had met with the CEO and the VP of sales and marketing and real estate for University of Maryland for Chesapeake last week. And I know I'm not getting his title right, but you know that we met with them. They had a great relationship with citizens nursing home, and they made a very good point to us that they still have a good relationship with them, even though they've moved to Aberdeen. So I think your points are very well taken with those types of uses, assisted living and continuing care facility. Okay, thank you. Pretty information. I think we're down on what dwelling accessory apartment. Which we changed already. Two SE, right? Yep, we're in that. Yep, yep. Dwelling conversion of SE, as single family dwelling to a two family, they're adding it as permitted under. It wasn't for, it wasn't allowed. Right, and they wanted their, they, meaning one or more of the council members. I don't get that. I wasn't really sure what that was. Yeah, I like it. But that goes back to the argument that in our one, we expect. I agree. Yeah, I agree. I like it. I didn't scratch it, be out of our stock. Well then this, are we okay? It can probably just say we don't agree with that. I don't agree with that. I'm thinking of saying. Because of R1 is low density. Right. Down to dwelling, duplex permitted in R1. I think that falls into the same thing we just talked about. It does. Duplex, my opinion, should be under R2. Whatever. You guys okay? Yeah absolutely. I just want to make sure I'm not. Well you're good. I'm going to get a consensus here. Dwelling high-rise apartment, you can see that there being eliminated, which makes no sense. I'll just speak with this one real quick. There's a variety of opinion when it comes to mid-rise and high-rise looking at my original chart here. Some people wanted out of all, some people wanted out of one or two and this one was a little bit of a hodgepodge from the council too. So, I don't know what where it's coming from as well. I do have an idea but that's not my place to speak on that tonight. Which is how I got this. Okay, define high rise. How many stories? It's in there. Six stories. Six stories. Yeah. Midrises five. Three to five. Yeah. Midrises three to five stories. Yeah. That to me is an overranger. What's direction? What do you mean, overranger? What's direction? It's permitted. You want to keep it as permitted. So, I'm going to construct. Well, do we want to keep that in B1 and B2? Remember, those are lower density or lower intensity, depending on which, what you want to term use determine for the higher rise apartments, maybe consider leaving it in R3, this is what my thoughts were on it. And the B3, leaving it there. And- Let's see. Yeah, right. Like, leaving it in again. Another word. Across the board. Well, I said that I'm okay with striking it from B1 and B2. Both of these high rise and in the mid rise, I felt like it was, I was okay with B1 and B2 on both of those, but not in R3 and B3. I guess my question would be currently in B1 and B3. Do we have any of the high rise or mid-rider park and complex currently? No. In B2 and B1, I don't believe there are any high rise or mid rise apartments. It's such a small area of the sea for both of those. If you wanted, it definitely doesn't have any. If you wanted, it's a one-loaded down on Edmund Street. And that's Garg. It's Washington Street at Edmund. So I think Bert and Manor, this was built a long time in the late 70s. Baltimore Street, I guess. I don't know if that's R3 or B, but it's probably R3. I don't think it's R3. I don't think there's any B down there. Yeah. So we could. There could be it at some some it is our three and I think there might be I don't know if you can start garden style but there's definitely some garden style in B2 and they could be Mid-rise in B2 I was thinking about some Terrence. Yeah, yeah, if you don't have okay. Yep I mean they're not I don't know how many stories they are stories There are one one three and the one across here. I don't know how many stories they are. There are one, one, three, and the one across here I think is four. They're four right across from Taring Cargo. I mean up next to Taring Cargo. Okay. Where are we talking about? On Park Street. South Park. 400 block right? 300 block. Everything down on that part of Park Street is R3 currently. And then the B2 that's in the other parts of Custis and Park Street, we re-zoned last week to TOT. Where the other apartments are. OK. It'll be permitted in the dwelling high rise, dwelling mid-rise, be permitted in our dwelling high rise dwelling mid rise be permitted in B R 3 And take it out of B 1 and B 2 correct. I mean that is the right that's that's a definition of R 3 high I agree that's what I have it. Yeah, I don't I'm against there taking it out correct Are you that a B 1 B 2 for clarification? Are you two B 2 you're taking it out. Correct. Are you? Are you? That'll be one beat. Just for clarification. Are you two beat? You're deleting it. You're striking from D1 and B2. But what about B3? You're leaving it in? Yes. IBD and TOD, you're leaving it in R3. Okay. And again, TOD is defined almost that way. No, there's going against what their recommendation is, we're going to leave it in B3. I don't know if anyone wants the information, but I called the mid rise and high rise, the new ones to see their occupancy level right now. Summerland's at 98%. If you outside grants at 93.4% Yes. The residents of Summerland is at least occupancy 98%. Their prices range from 1709 for a one-bedroom to 2122 free bedrooms to bass. grant is at 93.4%. They range anywhere from 1646 to 2335. And I think it's even more than that if you include garage, et cetera, et cetera. Oh, yes. It is. $50,000 more. I have no doubt that those numbers are correct. Oh, yeah. I was. I have no doubt. So the legends is at 89%. And they range anywhere from 1560 for one bedroom to 2465 a month For a two-bedroom with two bass and a garage No, I've no death and Beth I would echo that because It from my comments when we were defending TOD last week, that was exactly the argument was these places are at near or less exceeding 90% I did some look at it too. So you're absolutely right. I mean I called everyone there today and I said you know we're trying to get a feel where you guys are at how are things are going and you, it is, and we're not talking, you know, talking 1650 all the way up to $25,000 per month. And you may have some of those people then shift as the houses are the same. But we found out at the overlock. Right. Exactly. That they kind of transitioned then over. Which stuff, but they'll be filled back up. It's not like they'll back up. Several families are in that position right now. They're families with little kids. They're living in the legend right now, waiting for house to be built. It goes back to the Howard Avenue residence already in another neighborhood, moved there while they were getting built. And they're going to go over to, I think, or field side or Gilmer Meadows. It's part of that housing shortage and entire state of Maryland, which is what, somebody knows it number? 90,000, 90,000. Shortage? Yes. Statewide? Statewide. That's a lot of houses. All right, moving on. Did we discuss on that same, there's two dwellings, the IBD and the TUD, they're recommending. We were going to leave that on. Leave those. Don't strike it then. Don't strike it. The other side. Don't strike it. Leave them in. That's our recommendation. Halfway house. We talked about this a while ago. But we'll wait. We haven't the dwelling modular. They didn't do anything. They didn't change anything. No. They didn't change anything. But isn't that going to become manufactured? I guess I'm just asking. We're just talking about definition. I'm sorry. And Modjor is not the same as a move anyway. Which is being attacked. Yeah. OK. All right. OK. All right. So down a half way house, they want to, they want to, they recommended striking it as an as as he and whatever. So they don't want any. For a minute. Correct. They don't want it to be. That's the way I interpret it, right? That was the feedback from the people who had sent that information over its desire from council members to remove it completely from the development code in R3. Well, they're going to go to R3-1-B2. Right. It's currently a special exception in B1-B2. No, it's all special accession. It's all special accession. Currently, yeah. And all three. And all three. Oh, sorry, I'm looking at my nose. Some had it all three zones. Some had it in just the one zone. So yeah, I guess there's a desire from those who submitted that to eliminate it from the table to use this. Well, as far as B1, we don't have any B1. So if they want to strike it from B1, what difference does it make? You know? I just have a question. Are you considering the fair housing laws? Have you vetted this through the city? Thank you, fellas. Thank you. Have you read the fair housing? You would have to ask those council members. But you're the liaison. Yeah. And I just want to ask those questions because you're the liaison. Yeah. Good point. By the law, I think we have to make it available to ask those questions because you're the liaison. Yeah. Good for you. Five more. I think we have to make it available as a special accept. I agree. Yeah. Personally, as one council member. But you can't pretend it doesn't exist. Right. Correct. We currently have some in this video. We do. Exactly. What happened? You're not conforming in and out of the code. Yeah. conforming in and out of the code. Yeah, it doesn't make sense from one councilman we're talking it doesn't make sense to limit from the code. So I would say we leave him as a special exception in R3. I agree. Be one in two. Yeah. Just know the word yeah. Leave it with it. I agree. Okay. R3 and V2 would that be one? And V1. Yeah. just leave it all in. Don't, don't, don't you? Right. Right. Down to Moeble Home Park. Um, we only kind of accommodate that in order three right now. And they want to, uh, put it a strike. It's striking like it does it because it's like it's never going to. Well, it would create nonconforming use. I mean, I mean, that's right. And it would create non-conforming use one. I mean, yes. And so I'm against it. And it would also go against House Bill 538. Right, so we all good with it. Just skip over it and move to the next page. Let's get an automobile car wash. I will give you my opinion on that. But I'll wait until everybody else is on there. Well, I'll give you mine. Again, they're striking it like it doesn't exist. We create all kinds of non-conform uses. So you're not favored as right? No. No, I'm with you. Everybody good? Yep. No change. All right, Banks, we're the without drive-through facilities. You can see it's permitted and everything. They want to strike it from behind. I don't get that. I don't get I don't get that I don't get that. It's my being one leave it. Once again, there's never going to be because there'll be one that's supposed to stamp. It's a rally in either way. You see what I'm saying? When you have one little parcel or three or four parcels in one little section. It's a barber shop in churches. That's it. You know, so it doesn't really matter either way, but if we want us to, oh, and leave it to wait is? Yes. Okay. Like as it is in the code today. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's just irrelevant. Body piercing service permitted currently in B3N, I guess, B2. The one to strike it from B2. I don't understand. Why? The the one to strike it from B2 I don't understand It's well, it's more residential areas like I live in B2. I think you do too Terry and Mark you do you live in R2 I'm sorry. Yeah, never mind No, we're It's not there anymore, but Walmart. What's that? Be Walmart, sir. Yeah, I know. Walmart. Walmart. Okay. Walmart had a, what was the place called in there? Claire's. Claire's. And they did. I don't think Claire's is there anymore. They're not there anymore. But they did. You're here. That's different than body piercing. If you read the definitions. Okay body piercing is Okay, so body piercing service They want somebody wants to strike it be to what would we get on everybody? They want to keep it just be three correct what do how do you feel I don't think it matters I don't know I say we leave it as is yep I do too that's okay well real quickly I'm looking at, wait a minute, where was it? Body piercing, okay body piercing is in, it went straight from B2, leave it B3, but tattoo parlors is in B2. Well, and that's where I was going, because typically they're part of the same thing. They're doing together. So that's not, so not straight. I knew it. Or keep it both in the same. Right, at least my be just assistance. So it looks like tattooed parlor has also been recommended for elimination of B2. Yes, right. So keep it. So do we want to eliminate from both of those from B2? And just leave them in B3? Right. Because we don't have that much B2 right anyway. I can go either way. That's fine with that. I'm not. I'm okay with striking it from B2, along with tattoo power. I don't know. Yeah. That's fine. So, you read that guys? Striking the B2, leaving it in B3. Yes. Okay. Okay, cool. Thank you. That's where we're talking about. Tattoo's that body piercing isn't B3 now. That's B3 now. All right. We are at the bus stop at bus station, train station, taxi depot. And I did, I'll talk to Stephanie about this. And I wanted to get a clarification Because they want to strike it from B1 we have a little bit of B1 and there is a Remember Stephanie we talked about this there is a Hartford link stop at at the intersection I remember there Washington which is B1 Okay, yeah, no, but is a bus stop any different than a bus station? So if it's bus station, same as a bus stop, then we don't want to strike it because it would create a non-conforming use there. Okay. So what is- We'd have to look at the definition. Does anybody know the definition difference between a bus station and a bus stop? I mean, a station sounds like a bigger thing with, you know, a building. A bus stop is, you know, school bus is stopped all over the place. The transit link stops, but they have something that have little shelters. Correct. And some that don't. We don't have bus stop or bus shelter defined in our definitions. Correct. That's why I'm asking this. Are they under transit transit is different. Huh? I'm looking under transit. I think that bus station is different than bus stop. Okay. And if it is, Phyllis, I'm okay with striking it from B1. So I just don't want to create a nonconform use. So we define transit center as a central location for inter-medal transit such as buses, train, taxis, and complimentary retail and service facilities. So it's the transit center is defined, but not bus station. So that being said, I have no problem personally with, I mean, there's already permitted in so many other zoning districts. If you want to strike it from B1, I don't think it matters either way. Because- Just leave that there. It doesn't, you know, we okay with that everybody? Yeah, it's fine. Slide down the convenience retail establishment with accessory fuel pumps. We had it permitted in one, two, three, four, well, three plus special exception. So there, okay with convenience retail, assumption, pumps taking it out of B2. Once again, I'm okay with that, but I want everybody else that I want to do that. I want to say that I want to do that. I want to say that I want to do that. I want to say that I want to do that. I want to say that I want to do that. I want to say that I want to do that. I want to say that I want to do that. I want to say that I want to do that. I want to say that I want to do that. We resound on Westbela Avenue to get the mark. Yeah, but it doesn't have gas, but yes. And it was, we resound it to be too. We resound it to be too under the new code. It would probably qualify as the market that we were talking about earlier under the definitions, rather than one with a fuel pump. It used to have fuel pumps, so of course, does not anymore. Basically under the new zoning map, B2 is limited to a few properties that we, the Commission recommended on West Bell or Avenue, the Getty and the property next to it, as well as a strip basically along the railroad tracks from there up to post. So you're looking at B2, you're looking at a very small universe of properties. But wouldn't we, wouldn't we have to put convenience retail with fuel punts in the T of D for the wall wall and the mobile station? I'm sorry, issue question again. The mobile station on Route 40 and the wall wall. That is now part of T of D. No, I don't know. I don't know. Now, it's T of A. No, I don't know. Yeah, so it's B3. It's, I'll be over here, but the map's not working. I'm not sure. We're looking. Okay. It's coming up slowly. B3. It's not TOD. Yeah, it is. This is 40 right here, isn't it? Yeah, this is special. I think it's T5 right now. Oh It's it is T5 right now, isn't it? Yeah, well then that is correct. I believe That it should be a permitted use under tiered to you You need to go back to the T.O.D. Master Plan because it doesn't recommend any convenient stores with gas pumps Okay, remember it's supposed to be walkable right right right right right walkable right So those are non conforming theconforming. And they'll just stay that way. I'll go ahead. The X on's the same thing. They're both two non-conforming uses. Okay. Just wonder. So are we okay with taking, what their recommendation is, with the, taking it out of B2? I'm okay with it. That's fine. You guys good? They were both there before TOD was even a concept. Yes, I understand. So you're taking that in B2. Yeah, in other words, we're okay with their recommendation. Dormatory? Bits, they would strike in it from B3 and 1. We wouldn't have it at all. I BD would have it at all. Would we ever have dormitories over at Ripon Stadium? Now, that is why we had this definition. When they had all the terrible views on it. IBD. Because they were proposing dormitories. Yes, they were. They certainly were. Don't think they'd ever be in M1. No, it'd be an IBD. Right. Right. So I think we leave it in IBDs, permitting. And do colleges and universities have dormitories? Absolutely. Absolutely. I think one of the changes we had talked about yesterday, Phyllis, with Fred, is adding to the definition of dormitory for institutional uses. So there could be like the hospital or church, places really a little bit of the worship might have. Well that's B3 then. The hospital for instance. Is B3. So leave it in IBD and B3. Take it out of M1. Right, so we can agree with there being a strike in it out of M1. But leave it in B3 IBD. Correct. So we're here. Let's press it there. OK, we go to that. Down to greenhouse, nursery. So we can see they were suggesting adding to B1 and also as a special exception on IBD. Personally, I had to probably then it's a greenhouse as the nursery. I knew you have any. It's already permitted in B3, B2. And M1. Yeah, and it's such a small little thing. If somebody once had a little greenhouse or nursery over in that one little parcel of B1 We do are you okay? Yeah, all right liquor store Let's see they want to strike it from B1 and B2 Obviously there's new liquor stores in B1 Philis or Stephanie. Do we have any liquor stores in B2 currently? I don't believe we do. I think so. I'm sorry. I don't think so. Anybody? Not aware of any. I know we have a lot in B3. Yeah, yeah. I don't think we have any in B1 and I don't believe we have any in B2. Right. So I mean we have plenty of B1 and I don't believe we have any of B2. Right. So, I mean, we have plenty of liquor stores. So I personally am okay with, you know, their idea of striking it from B1 to B2. Hi, great. You all good? All right. Leave it on. That was right along. Next page. Hmm. You should busy page. Yeah, it is, isn't it? Hmm. Yeah, it is isn't it? Okay, the medical canvas. Just to be clear and Phil, step correctly, come on. We have to accommodate the same by state law as we would in liquor stores and stuff. Is that accurate? As far as you know. Sorry, I don't understand your question. Well, wherever liquor stores, or yeah, state law zoning, burden on marijuana and dispensaries, to those of alcohol retail, they should be the same. So if they're gonna, let me just say this, if they're gonna change that, they need to just change, remove medical and just put cannabis, right? We don't need to spell out medical, just say cannabis. We need to scrub our cannabis. That's in the definition we just went over. Right, yeah, but that's not what you're looking at. No. You're looking at this from the council. They haven't looked at our amendments and the definitions are being proposed. Remember that. I'm not going to talk about the semantics of the term medical and inter-out. Well, if they're going to change the table, they should change the terminology as well. Absolutely. But let's forget the medical, I just got a cannabis grower, processor, and it has to follow state law. If that's your question, it has to follow state law. That was my comment, yes. It has to follow state law. That was my comment yes. It has to follow state law. So whatever it is in the liquor we just need to make the same for these and we're done. Is that correct? No I think there is less regulation on the cannabis and there is on liquor stores. Yes. It can be every thousand feet according to the state. Cannabis. Cannabis cannabis can but I believe it's it's that but it also has to meet the same zoning burden in terms of where their allowed Uses are yeah as the same as look like from churches and schools and stuff like that correct So the distance from one to the other may be different But if you allow a liquor store in a certain zoning, you have to allow a cannabis in the same zoning classification. So they should mirror one another? Exactly. That's my whole point. So cannabis, or a process, or dispensary, but all to be the same as liquor. Okay. I'm sorry, I didn't understand your question, I apologize. So B3. Well. So we don't permit liquor stores in M1. Correct. Here's where we permit liquor stores. We're going to we're striking and liquor. I thought we just talked about. Yes. C3. B1 and B2. So we permit liquor in B3, IBD and TOD. Right. Correct? So there needs to be the same on the cannabis. Correct. And that's it. That's correct. They're all just an easy line them up. Right. Got? So for green with their fingers. Yeah. We're just talking about the first one. The dispensary, correct? OK. We're just talking about the first one, the dispensary, correct? Well, I was going with all three of them. Well, no, I don't think you can. No, no, I think it's dispensary that has to follow the liquor or zoning burden. Of course, a grower and a processor, we may not the processors be in M1. If they're packaging, you know, I don't. Right. Right, you could have the growers and the processors in a different zoning classification. The dispensaries as in public access to product has to be the same as liquor stores. Okay, yeah. Okay. Okay. So we're saying like for growing processor M1 as they've taken everything. Yeah, I mean they took it out altogether, but I can't do that. You can't do that. You can't do that. So we're gonna recommend what, M1? Just M1 on the grower and processor? Yeah, that's my thought. Not B3. Why can't you put it B3? Yeah, why can't you? You could. I'm fine. You could. You could. Yeah. So I would leave it at leave it as it is. Leave it as it is. Free and M1. Yeah. Oh, yes, for the processor and the grower. All right. Because we don't have hardly no change. No change. We hardly have any M1 anyway. So that's correct. We changed it. Good. See, next down, medical clinic, nothing, all the same except for taking out a B1, you know, whatever. Sure. You don't have any B1. You guys good? Yeah. Medical service, same thing applies. Why they want to strike it? Who knows. But it's not going to happen anyway, because we don't have any Mini warehousing they don't want anymore They don't want anymore. They want to take it out M1 and M2 So many were good Many warehousing would that be the stock and single single story definition says Similar story. Okay. So they want to strike it from the only two we have it. And just as a reminder to the commission, I'm sorry I didn't up there's no end to basically in the city anymore. Right. Based off of what we just re-zoned last week. So you're really looking at the only available use in the city for things that are in a manufacturing zoning district to be M1. M1. Thank you, Mr. President. I am so that being said, I'm okay with them. Their opinion of striking it from M2. I am not agreement with striking it from M1 because it's the only place it could possibly be. Right. So, the good place it could be. It could possibly be. Right. Right. So, the good with that? Yep. All right. So, then the next thing down is MOABL home sales office. We only have it currently in B3 and they recommend striking that. I don't even know if we have any sales offices. You know, there's one out 40 of these be Bruce Garner's. But. How many sales offices? There's one out 40 but used to be Bruce Garner's. But- But who's to say- But then in the House Bell we won't have them. Right, so I'm against striking it at E3. I think we should leave it. Leave it. Because we need it somewhere. Okay, good. We're all in on. Open air market, farm craft markets produce. Adding it as a permitted in B1. Hey, if they want to have a little yard sale open, market fruits and stuff in B1, and our little post-stamp of B1. Yes. Why not? Go ahead. You guys are okay? I'm okay with that. Speak now or forever, whatever. No, I'm good. All right, pet daycare services, adding permitted to B2. No problem. No, no problem. Okay, man, we're on roll. Pet Store, we have it in a lot of zoning districts right now. There's considering striking it'd be one, which- I'm okay with that. That's fine, and M2, because there's none of those around. So that's fine. So we'll go over there with that. Good, thank you. Radio and television station, we have it in quite a few areas allowed right now. They want to strike the special exception from IBD and they want to strike it from B3. We don't have any of these right now. It doesn't mean we won't get into future, but I don't see any reason to remove them. So I don't really care the way me personally. Anybody got any thoughts on this? Mark, you used to work in a re-estation. What's the thing I can think of as if you had something at Ripken Stadium, which would be an IBD. Yeah. So I think I can think of. I mean, like a re-estation. David, this is currently R2 and staying R2 for the B3, right? No, it's never been. It's been non-conforming for everybody. It's worked. Yes. Okay, so radio station thing. Do we they recommend striking it from B3 and from and from IBD I wouldn't even special exception IB. I would. But but but take it out you okay would take out a B3? Yeah, I'm okay with that. Everybody? Yep. Okay, and it should be noted that the old station was on high-blade. Yes. Right outside the city boundary. A stone, so or less. Pirate. It's still there. It's still there. Barely. OK, restaurant with drive through. You can see where it's permitted. B2, they want to, they suggest striking it out of B2. Restaurant what drive you. Once again, we don't have that much B2. I'll be prong with it. That's fine. But you guys weigh in. No, I'm fine if they won't. I'm a dad. All right, Rowan. Now to tattoo parlor, we already discussed that it's going to be the same as the body piercing. Right, just B3. Just B2. Right. Right? Yeah. Okay folks, truck terminal in, they want to take it out of B1 and M2. Where the only places are permitted. You know that's what there's zoning areas are designed for. Like the council president said, we hardly have any M2 and we're reducing that down to what? To nothing or all. I believe there's no M2 in the city. Once this ordinance goes into effect next week. It's a mood point. So we probably should leave it in M1 too. M1? I'll say leave it in M1. Leave it in M1. Yep. M1 is manufacturing. You might need a terminal. You never know. You might need a terminal. You might need a terminal. Okay. All right. So we're leaving it in M1 and striking it from M2, which is the mood point. We're house establishments. No, if that's an American, I'm just saying, I want to take that at M1. I'm sorry. Yep. Veterinary clinics. I'm not looking at that. They want to add it as a permitted use in M1 and also add it right as a put in is a C4 TOD. I have no problem with it. Everybody? I'm going to be in M1 but that's okay with me. Right. Yep. Yep. Alright, I'll say guys that includes ladies too. I'm sorry. Scott. We're house establishments proposed striking it out of the only two that we have in one and two. Proposed striking it out of the only two that we have M1 and M2. And that might be an issue. Yeah, yeah, like the M2 thing we can strike it from M2 and leave it in M1 if that's okay with everybody. Yeah, leave it in M1. Okay, because for the same A4 mentioned reasons. asphalt and concrete batching plant, you know, take it out of M1 and put it in M2. Since we're eliminating mostly M2, let me ask a question. Over there where Steve Horn has his concrete place, is that not M1? Well, that's just that's the L Mars and that's that So that's... I think it's crazy, so I'm gonna meet personally. I'm like... And I believe that is a batch plan. Yeah. Yes. So... Yeah. So let's... Let's leave it in the one. Yeah, leave it in M1. They're trying to put it in M2, but whatever. Whatever. So... Keep it. We're gonna... We got that. So we're leaving it in M1 and I don't care whether you put it in and do or not. Once again, it's a move point. Hey, we're literally on the last page because the final panel is back. There's no changes. All right. All right. Auditorium lecture halls, convention centers. They're already permitted. One, two, three, four, five different zoning classifications. They want to strike it from B3. I think it's an appropriate use for B3. I've seen a reason to strike it. Any opinions out there on this? No, don't understand why we're here. I don't understand that either. I won't leave anybody. Anybody on the right? Leave it. So go against what they recommend. And we're going to keep it in there. Colleges and universities, B2, thoughts, they want to strike it. My thought was no, but I concur with it. I wouldn't land towards doing it. It's not going to happen. What you have, you have auditorium's lecture halls and convention centers allowed in M1 and M2, but colleges and universities of which have auditoriums and lecture halls are not allowed in M1 and M2, so there's a little bit of a disconnect there. Yes. So do you think take it out of, take it out of B2 and put it in M1 and M2? Yeah. I'm not even going to have one. Just do it in M1. Yeah, exactly. I agree with that. So go with what they recommend. Take it out of B2, but put it in added to M1. So are you going to take auditoriums out of M2? I guess you can't have one without the other. Correct. So I just want to take it out of M2. Okay. So delete. Take out. We get to write a little horizontal line. Right. Okay. Do the thing. OK. Can you call her? You've been going on to places of religious worship and affiliated schools. Obviously, it's permitted in a lot of places. On places. And of course, the second floor in TOD, they want to add it to B2. I don't have any. Well, I, I, I, I, it's a business district. From BDC's point of view, if we've got B2, uh-huh. To your be a lousy on the second floor. Having a church in a business district means Monday through Friday, Thursday, Thursday, Thursday person to store. Right. So. I hear you. So I don't know how many, I have no problem, I have no problem with any religion. I just don't know that if we don't have enough. Can we add second, add second floor then? They want it permitted, they want to add as a permit, it would be two. Could we add it and just say a second floor only? Is that? That is the same. That's the same. Look at Main Street. That's the same argument that we had with the TOD that we didn't allow churches, religious organizations in the TOD because they were not used enough and there was, there were dens space. Lightly used. Yes. So most of the day they were, most of the days, they were, days they were vacant. Yeah. I hear what you say. I think we should not allow them in B3. B3, okay. In B3. All right. I'm good with that. I was just trying to be flexible, but I prefer not putting it in B2. We get two of them. Yeah, so I mean kick it out of B1. Now I'm kidding. Leave everything else to say. Leave it all. We'll just not go with their recommendation of adding it to B2. Okay. All right. Schools. They want to add that to B2. I. The same argument I think. Early. So it's not a business. Right. I agree. Two months out of the year it's going a business. Right. I agree. Two months out of the year, it's going to be vacant. And B2, we don't have that much B2. And I don't think there's any parcels big enough to put a screw in it. Yeah, so I would be answering all that. So can we just say negative on that one? Correct. We don't even have it defined. All right, now we're down to temporary uses and then we're done on this. All right, temporary use. Animal show, it's permitted in a lot of places. They recommend striking it from B3. I see no reason to do that. It's a temporary. It's a temporary use. It's a temporary use. Right? Right. All right. Carnival. Once again, it's permitted in a lot of places, but they want to add it to TUD, which transfer into vanilla. I don't know. There's room with it. Carnival. I mean, where would you find somewhere big enough to put a fares well? Well, years ago, they used to put it. What about the park right here? Right. That's to you. They're thinking. They're festival works with the farmers. Carvellies. That's right. They're thinking. They're thinking. So maybe that's the thought. I don't know. Yeah. Well, there was also where the fanatics warehouses used to be a carnival there. Oh, that's right. Right? Yeah. I'm sorry, great. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, when they stop using it. Well, when they stop using it as a festival, they'll always buy it a lot. I expect hours and they take it with them. All right, so I mean, it may never happen, but I don't think there's any. It's once again, it's a temporary use. So you're all good with that one. Yeah, I do. So we'll take the recommendation and add it as permitted in transit oriented development. Okay. Okay. Circus. Yeah. They want to take that out of B. Yeah. Well, that's the same thing. They want to take it out of B2, just like the animal show. Right. If we went against their recommendation on the animal show, I recommend the same. Yep. It's a temporary thing. They want to have a circus in B2. We do. That's what I say, but they won't take it out. Right. We're going to look so we're going to consider it. That's that. We've completed that as far as nothing's shown. The animal show, we recommend you to change. Change the key. We're going to keep it in the beginning. We're keeping it in the beginning. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No change. No Right along. Yeah, B2, and that's not zoning. I'm going to item B2 on the agenda, which is the high-beet-height clarification, texts and stuff like that. So we'd back to you, fellas. We discussed this briefly last week. Stephanie and I did have a meeting with the city attorney. He doesn't feel the need to add mid rise because the definition of mid rise apartments are dwelling slash mid rise apartments. So he recommends that we just change it to the proposed changes on page two of three in the draft ordinance. You were given a copy of that. So we're addressing. Are addressing high rise apartments because they're not addressed now. They're, well, they are addressed, but we're adding those in. Right. We're repealing and adding. This language came from the city attorney or from planning. So the city attorney prepared the draft ordinance? Yeah. And we had representatives here from Morrison, Richie Associates that indicated that there need to be a change in the code because there were two conflicting areas of the code as far as height, requirements in the IBD. Okay. of the code as far as height, requirements, and the IBD. Have we issued any variances for these? Yes. So, field side, grand did get a variance for height. Okay. So, we're correcting that basically. Yes. So, there won't be a need for a variance. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Everybody read the Integrated Business District, though the height information regarding that. Anybody have any questions regarding that? One issue. Okay, then- Should we make a motion? Yes, I think the appropriate to make a motion, correct? So anyone may make a motion, and we approve these ordinance concerning integrated business district, high three restrictions as presented to us. So moved. Moved by Commissioner Mark. Mark will be fine. We have a second. I'll second. Seconded by Terry. All right. All in favor. Hi. Nice. Okay. We've got to take a cherry one question. Do we need to make a motion for the changes that we made on the Table of views? Do we need to make a motion for that? We're just to recommend nation to the mayor and the council. Or will these get refined and then we'll vote on that? I don't know. I don't know if we have to vote on this at all. So based off of the feedback from the council was they wanted to get the planning commission's recommendation by September 12th. I would suspect that it would be appropriate for the commission to say this, I mean, it could be a motion to say this is the recommendation of the Planning Commission based off of what you asked of us. I suspect that the Department of Planning will have additional recommendations in the future for the table of uses. And I won't speak for fellows or anybody else on that, but it would be a pretty good I guess to say this is a formalized recommendation. You asked for a feedback, this is our formal response. I agree, I think that way they would know that we've ended it this evening and presented them with our consensus. And then it can all be compiled and sent to them. I would have noticed that I took, and with Ms. Grover's husband, I can help to put together the notes to that. It comes back to the council based off of the feedback. The notes that we probably collectively took on why maybe you guys didn't take some of the recommendations. We're deciding if it's, whatever they have to. I was just going to put the recommended permitted and R3, but not this. I wasn't going to go into any detail. I'm not going to be, and I can try to address some of the things, and refer them also back to this meeting's audio recording for more detail on why you guys took the decision you made. But I think what what Phil Saz is the great first approach to the council. Can I make a motion and wrap everything up and just say this is our recommendation. So I'd like to make a motion to the board that we present to the mayor and the council our recommendations on the table of use regulations that the Mayor and the Council asked us to review. And those changes, those recommendations will be presented to the Mayor and the Council by the September 12th that they ask for. I want to put that in there because they did ask us to kind of step it off. Appreciate that. Thank you. Second. Thank you. But if you have any favor, aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. I ask carry it. Thanks. Okay. Anybody else? I'll start over there with the Council President Liaison. You have any comments regarding anything related to planning commission stuff? Can they one way or the other to this commission or back to the council? So a bit surprised to us at the end of the last council meeting. I don't know if it was conveyed last week. Mayor has made his intention to nominate Will Brown to the Planning Commission. There are seven members currently on the Planning Commission, so I don't know what his intent is. I've been working to get an answer on that, but it was a bit of a surprise to me at the last council meeting. And we're limited to seven. And we have seven members. So more to come there. I was surprised to meet the last council meeting. And we're limited to seven. We have seven members. So more to come there. New news just at the end of the last council meeting. I just wanted to convey that that is out there for the planning commissions. Second, the public's sake is that it was announced at the last council meeting. I do want to thank all your work on the comprehensive plan. Comprehensive zoning. That was a lot of time on your part, review by the city council, staff, feedback from the public. We had quite a bit of feedback at less than meeting, mostly concerned related to TOD. I think it's more of a getting the information out there and explaining it more than what it is. That's where the main feedback and concern came from. But it did pass with nearly all of the properties that were in the original ordinance that was introduced. There were some changes on post-road and COP was added back into the ordinance. But of course, not all the recommendations that came from the Planning Commission made to the original ordinance, we have a few properties that we are still waiting for information from one as it relates to overlays and swan meadows and getting changes to the development code to refer back to up the properties, particularly along West Bell Avenue, to consider rezoning after the development code gets updated. So again, thank you for your work on that. Thank you for coming in tonight to meet the council's deadline and also to fill us in, it's definitely for being here tonight as well. You guys have a lot of nights already that you're devoted to the city, so appreciate that. Thanks, Mayor. Bill, is anything? I believe last month you made a recommendation that the city council should fund the TOD master playing update. Is that correct? No. Was that sent to the council? I don't believe it was sent to the council. We'll leave that up to you then. Okay. Well, as liaison. Yeah. We'll send it over. All right. It? Dare? Anything? No. If? I could just say the liquor licensing stuff so you guys could understand it from Sam's question last time. I don't know if you all saw how many different, I don't like it. How many different liquor licenses? There are. There are dozens of them. There are dozens. Yes. Yes. So, some require food, sales, some don't, but we got into the definition of bar and that is a very simple thing Yeah, yeah, I did watch the meeting online after because I couldn't attend but thank you for the information Mark one question I meant to ask this last week. What is and it seems like they're they're doing well What is that little business that's on Park Street, fuzzy bubbles or something like that? What is that? Bat bombs. Bat bomb, bat bombs. Is that what it is? And there's other, I mean, you can go in and make bath products. Okay. Yeah, I mean, it's really cool. It's a nice business. Go in and take, you know, coffee in there and buy something. It's really cool. It's a nice, good thing. It's a nice, good thing. It's a nice, good thing. It's a nice, good thing. It's a nice, good thing. It's a nice, good thing. It's a nice, good thing. It's a nice, good thing. It's a nice, good thing. It's a nice, good thing. It's a nice, good thing. It's a nice, merman. Yes. Correct. And that event is from 10 to 2, 10 to 3. 10 to 3. Please don't move. But I know it starts at 10. I'm a 10 to 2. Yeah, 10 to 2. And it is really fun. I went last year. I was pleasantly surprised. Spent a lot of money with my grand dollars, but it really fun. I went last year, I was pleasantly surprised, spent a lot of money with my granddaughters, but it is fun. It's fun to see all the mermaids out there. Okay. And there was acrobatics, and it was really cool. Really awesome. We had me receiving this morning, and we were talking about also Frank's pizza. Oh, yes. What's going on with that? No. We don't know So okay, I was gonna ask that question too, but I forgot about it. Yeah, are you anything else? Bubble Stephanie Nothing for me. Thanks. Okay, um to follow up on the view, so Park, we are we making any progress for that with the, I didn't know I see a letter somewhere on the way. You, we prepared a letter for the planning commission. It was sent to the mayor. And we had nothing. I mean, it's up to the mayor to send into the council. So, along with several, there was a concept plan, there was a cost estimate. Yeah, it was a good one. Two months ago, I believe. I believe. So, following up, do you think maybe I should do that as chair of this commission? Okay. All right. And, let's see. I have a recommendation. I know Beth and I typically attend these council meetings and work sessions. I think it's been, you know, sometimes we recently have had a council member or a mayor here. Other than early A's on, I think it's beneficial to our group. If we have time in our busy schedules to try to attend as many council meetings and work sessions as possible, because you can see how the sausage is being made, especially in the work sessions. Anything room gets to crowd it up there, they accommodate and move down to this chamber right here. And attending those with you Mike, I think that's where some of the confusion came in, because Adam was in here last time, and I didn't want to be like, well, I didn't, yeah, yeah. So I apologize. No, no, no, that's perfectly fine. I'm looking forward to the October fest more than the Mermaid bash, but that's just me. Let's see, the next meeting is a regular schedule meeting is Wednesday, September 11th at 11 o'clock, 7 o'clock on the 11th. And that's about all I have. If we have a motion to adjourn. A motion. All right. Thanks everybody.