you you you you you you you you you you you you Mr. Ward is absent. award is absent. We'll call Ms. Brown. Sure one, Cruz. Mr. Ward is absent. Mrs. Bauer. Here. Power. We'll take power, but it was Bauer's also. Kelsey is the one that has resigned. Okay. Mr. Kelly is absent. Ms. Jamison. I'm here. Mr. Inman. Here. And Mrs. Power. Thank you. Thank you. And I see we don't have minutes, so we want to give you those. Any old business? No, Mrs. Inman. We all bring so much. OK. Back in, like, October, here, September October, when all this moratoriums talked, reared its head, I had brought up that we needed to get back and start going over sets and I had requested that we put it on the agenda and for 30 minutes each time and just start taking a bite of it. Because with all this moratorium talk and comprehensive plan, you know, amendment changes to the land code, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, it is very important and then, you know, it's a direction of the city changing rapidly with all the things that we already have in place. It is very important that we continue with the SEDS because it doesn't appear that anybody else in the city is. And that's just due to lack of consistency, lack of knowledge. And this has been a document. The city has been operating with, and you know, it's a living thing since 2010, that 20, anywhere in there. Yeah. For a long time. And it would be ashamed to just have it shilled for lack of knowledge. So I would like us to bring that back to the forefront. Ryan any comments on the said? Is there any other team members groups? City Council that actually focus for planning and zoning that do we focus on that? No, not really. The SEDs are being updated. So I'll have to check the Kimley Horn where they're at. They should be almost done. Who does that? Himmly horn. Oh, yeah, we had contracted with them to do some of the works. Samantha. Who does that? Kimmy Horn. Oh, it's outside. Yeah, we had contracted with them to do some of the works Samantha before her departure and I worked with Kimmy Horn to establish updates to the SEDS and then they're doing them. But I believe it was supposed to be end of March, early April, as well as we were supposed to get that back. So. Question for you. You, um, and up on your screen, I don't know if you can show it. Um, the public, yeah, are you all aware that we've been having these series of public workshops, which all feeds into the sense and all the stuff that we're doing. And, um, the attendance has been interesting. When you say interesting, what's that mean? A lack thereof. I mean, everybody has a large voice when it comes to stop this, stop that, stop the other. But here when Ryan and his staff are putting on these presentations to educate and inform so that good decisions can be made and a lot of their questions would have been answered. Very few of the people that are screaming allowed us to attend. But we have gotten some, I just attended the last one on Thursday, last Thursday and you have 50 people. And they were a good mix of people that, you know, the majority I've never seen before. But they were engaged. So I have a comment to that is, you know, City of Edgewater posts every once in a while on the floor to shores, page or the newsy. Can you guys post minutes, not minutes, but the video from that meeting, like a link to it. So there's a video I'm gonna upload the boards because so we've now finished the public education seminar series that I was doing and we're now actually into giving the public an opportunity to participate and engage and provide feedback. And so that's what the workshop was and it was we had like 40 boards around the room that had different information and then different questions and so it wouldn't been possible to record. Oh them. Oh, got it. And it was, I want to say it was very well done. Your staff did an amazing job. He had lots of staff here to answer any questions. But the boards, the way they had them set up, was they gave you education, education. And then they had two boards to ask you questions. And more education. I mean it was very well done. Other than the ones in the middle, you know the big tables, I thought there was good participation, but I didn't think people really understood them. No I think some of the more interactive ones kind of we didn't get as much data and that's where I was hoping to collect the most. So I'll have to keep kind of refining which planning techniques I use. So maybe on Newsy, if we can't publish, maybe there's just the agenda or the invite. Right, no problem. So we, I will say we've been very proactive. Proactive this time around. So I mean, there really is no reason. People shouldn't be coming. Right. We're holding two meetings, one on Thursday nights, one on Saturday mornings. Both have like childcare in here where city staff we have like a kids activity station so you can drop your kids off. There's coffee, there's food for these events. And we've you know city staff have spent the majority of the budget that was allocated to council to me. I spent the majority of that allocating towards outreach. So I've put it in, it's been in the utility bill twice now. Right. That's too grand every time I do that. Yeah, yeah. I've done it twice. I'm doing it in the third time. It costs to put it in our own utility bill. To add the fire in the utility bill. Wow. And then, you know, we have the banners out on Ridgewood, the week of the meeting that we spent money to pay for those banners. So I mean, we're advertising as much as we can. I'm getting the word out as much as we can. It's on the city's website. I'm not sure what else we can possibly do to give people here. I've for child care. I've offered it from 60 PM, 10 to 12 Saturday. I mean there's ample opportunity. Right. No that's a good thing. I just you know I continue to oh, I'm going to run for mayor so that, because I think if you've lived here for 20 years, you shouldn't have to pay property tax anymore. And the new people should have to pay a tax that pays for people who already live here. I mean, so there's a lot of... you see that on social media? Yes. It's got a lot of disinformation and goofiness like that, you know. How does that even, how does that even make sense? I think it may actually that one thing came from the talk about no more property tax that we're going to take in some time. and money has to always be so much. Yes, no property tax, but we're going to have more higher sales tax. Yes, yeah, yeah. Of course, the money still has to come from somewhere. So I will say on the next one is March 20th from 6.8. And then there'll be a repeat Saturday, March 22nd from 10 to 12 10 to 12. Thank you. Yeah, and this one's going to cover so last workshop we covered future land use element, transportation and housing. This one we're going to cover open space, parks, coastal conservation elements of the comprehensive plan. And so it'll probably be very similar activity again with the boards around the room. So we'll just kind of go from there. Okay, that's good. I'm glad that something is coming from it, hopefully. That's a good thing. Two other things. I know Bliss wasn't here for the last one, but old business. It'll come out in our minutes. But we talked about events trying to minimize the kind of mob mentality, obviously, it's the last meeting. We mentioned that there were people that still wanted to put Sheds or things on their property, and there was a whole back lash of We're not having any building, no concrete. And so then we had to make some exceptions for that, Ryan. Yeah, correct. So this will be going to March 17 for Second reading. So this is the update to the Florida Shore of Strainage Base and Building Permit, moratorium. And so this has been changed from no new impervious to no filled dirt, really, which is the no net import of fill. So it doesn't mean you couldn't cut on your own property and build, but you couldn't import fill for the year. So what does this do? This basically allows everything that was not allowed in the last one. The only one that will be affected are really single new single family homes in Florida shores. They would have to cut the back. So if the lots at 10, they cut the back to 7, move that dirt to the front to make it 13. But that requires now then to have like a stem wall deck in the backyard. Right, so the only ones that are going to be affected are these new houses and floor to shores with this new building permit moratorium, but only seven houses were built last year in Florida shores. So, I'm not really sure what this does. I do any guess, but I brought that up because one of the discussions that the board talked about this was events like moratoriums don't seem like they belong on a city council where there are six people that are getting hate mail and mob mentality that those things just like tax increases or rate increases that go out on a boat should be voted upon versus you know the current structure and Ryan said in order to do that we would have to have a change in our charter which the charter comes up next year for review So there will be some committees, but the whole purpose we all kind of talked about trying to minimize the hate that comes to City Council or the fear people have of not supporting something and so either Carry the can down the road either kick the can down the road because they don't want to be the decision maker, or they decide with what the audience is doing. And it was, we all experienced a pretty angry audience. Or as this shows, the audience didn't understand what they were screaming for and have backtracks. Well, in my mind, if it goes to a vote, then it's up to the people that feel strongly about that instead of being angry at City Council, Ryan also had some people hating on him that you know, then it's their job to go out to their neighbors and friends and people of edgewater to educate them why they think it's a good idea. I think the whole purpose we talked about was trying to not put people on the spot, which was a few people that affects hundreds of people. So volunteering to be part thousands, yes, tens of thousands, well we have 25,000, 30,000. so it just kind of makes sense and trying to get away from either social media or phone calls, people don't do face-to-face. And then the other thing was just talking, you just brought up something that's great was at this meeting, we would include a discussion on what we'd like to add to the agenda versus Ryan reaching out to me That I don't always get to that email so that we would have the discussion spend five or ten minutes before the end of our meeting What team thought we should include in discuss and then that's kind of done for the next one Ryan can be more prepared the third item was just talking about social media threats and hate and how I don't know what the answer is. I listened to a 60 minutes excerpt on what Germany was doing in the prosecutions. I don't think we're quite there yet, but there are some things that put fear into people and it's fear of either not participating or making known your desire and wishes or it's fear because somebody has already feared hate or threats. That feels like it's illegal but in our current society it's not. Actually this is a question going on up there in Washington, yes, and in some several different states. Yes, so... Actually, this is a question going on up there in Washington. Yes. And in some several different states. Yes. So I don't think we're solving that, but the first was putting more things that affect the whole city of Edgewater on vote process versus city council process. Those things feel like this group shouldn't, and it should be public and it should be all knowledgeable, but it just feels like that's a way to start taking away some hate on our city council. These are, I know they get paid, but it's volunteer positions, no different than us, and we want to encourage people to participate and help the city grow, not put them in a place that paid them. We lost one city council member. It was only on for a couple of months because of some of the hate and threats. So those were the old business agenda from the last meeting. It's not like you all had a good meeting. We did have a good meeting. It was a good meeting and I think Ryan was at least somewhat supportive of trying to move some of those bigger decisions to charter votes versus. This is also where a city manager will be timely. Yeah. Hopefully we will have one in June. Okay. Of the lack of a city manager, a dynamic city manager. This community has lots of opportunities. You know we are in an area that has space coast businesses and development opportunities. We have tourism. We have land and industrial. I mean you're right. I mean you're a dynamic city manager that helps kind of pull all all this stuff together right now it's pulling out Ryan. A line. Salon to some opportunity. That's right. You need a dynamic city manager that helps kind of pull all this stuff together. Right now it's calling online. Allowing it. A lot of it. A lot of it. A lot of it. A lot of it. A lot of it. A lot of it. A lot of it. A lot of it. A lot of it. A lot of it. A lot of it. A lot of it. have a discussion what the agenda looks like and then minutes will reflect things like moratorium would go to vote versus to city council meeting and then the next one is to any other old business? All right, new business, public hearing. The discussion on this scholarship? Yeah, so I'm wondering to gauge. Typically, you guys would review it at the next one and make a recommendation for the scholarship fund. I wanted to see if that's something that we would like to do to sit down. We have a private meeting for that. Yeah. Oh, OK. So we don't aren't discussing the students in the public. So we do need to set that private meeting though the last time we did it at Samantha's office in the little conference room over there We could probably pick any device But yeah, the whole point is not discussing Business or the letters And then it's announced it whatever meeting Yeah the grad. Oh no we yeah we announced it. Okay yeah so I will get that scheduled. Okay and all the applications are in when was the deadline. I I think it was March 7th. This Friday. Last Friday because of the Princess Volta. Okay. Do you know what the funds are for allocation for the? For this scholarship this year? I don't know. I have to go to the Edge. I think we used to try 10 or 12 but also we've seen money for the following year in order to put on this fall. I think it's really I think the city puts in a certain amount and then I think that is dependent on how much was raised at various fund Right. The prince has called me the largest. I recall I think the city puts in five Whatever that are various fundraisers right the year. The Prince has called being the largest. I recall I think the city puts in five, whatever makes up, no? You know? I mean, I have to pull out the budget and see. Right. Maybe they maybe they did have in the last couple of years. I know. It wasn't that it didn't come from any city funds. It was a city fund. It was right. OK. in your water bill and whatever. Right. Donations from people directly on their bill. And also the Princess, as far as the big one. And donations for that helped offset the cost, that it would be truly the, yeah. That's my understanding. And yeah. So typically we were sent to the applications. Obviously, it sounds like after March 7th, we'll have all the applications. Is that something that Tammy or Ryan you can have sent out? Yeah, I will send them out of package and send them to you guys. I don't have to come by and drop off. Yeah. And then so once I get those to you, so March 7th. How long do you need for review? Probably what we'll try and do is maybe set up. When does it, what's the deadline for us to announce? We really should announce that the April 4 meeting. So then we would be meeting, we could even meet at Daytona State, New Samarna. Correct. We have a little. Absolutely. That might be a nice new place to meet. Are there any dates Christine that you're absolutely no in March? Spring break is... Two weeks from... Fourteen, basically Friday, a Friday off. Okay. Twenty-one, one twenty-third 23 So maybe The following week the 25 26 is a Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday. Does it matter what day it doesn't How about you I'm sorry what day the March 25 26 the 27 or 27th 25th I Can do 25th in the morning morning all right morning all right, so do we want to do 10 o'clock is that good morning or nine o'clock? What's 9 or 10? What's? Do you want? Let's do 9 o'clock, yes. Yeah, good. So 325 at 9 o'clock and Ryan at least a couple of days prior to that, you'll have the drive box sent out with all the applications. Is there a? Yes, I was ginger. Okay. Perfect. All right. Anything else on scholarship? All right. The next is presentation and discussion of development occurring in the city and an update which is kind of what some of this was. Thank you Ryan. Okay. So the city of Vajrota is doing fairly well still as far as new development coming in. year over year we had an increase in 45 COs. So from January of 24th through December of 24th the city issued 378 COs the important thing is that the value increased significantly so total went up about 10 $10 million in taxable value from 23 to 24 in assess value which is good. The city's been averaging around 100 to 110 million dollars of investment in the city a year and that investment has paid for a fair amount of stuff at the city city So the growth is helpful as far as that goes you can see we did approve a number of town homes of divisions that finally Back in 23 that finally got approved. So that's why you're seeing such an increase there Where's that increase what am I looking at? That'd be under the Tri-Town Home section you can see. In the year 23 we only had 14 but then in 24 we had 133. What am I looking at in the first half of this year? These are all the different permits. These are the permits that are issued throughout the city per month. And so, yeah, the city's averaging about 5,000 permits or so a year of those 380 are single family homes. The good news though is that the commercial, so the number of commercial site plans that have been approved and built are increasing year-over-year. So in 22 the city only did six. Now in 23 we did eight, this year we did nine and so that's good because that means that you know people are investing into commercial and industrial buildings in the city and diversifying that tax base rather than just residential. As far as what mostly variances that have gone before planning and zoning board and city council in the last few months. Really not much has gone on beyond the moratoriums. And then the entitlement still, so we're still sitting at about 11,429 units. They're still to be built. Now some of these obviously will come down because Oakleaf Preserve Phase 1, 2, 3, A and B are already built. Edgewater Preserve Phase 1 is already built. So some of these, I need to edit this riverfront of states is built. So some of these are built. So it'll drop the number of units, but obviously that means they're built From what is actually entitled what's the build up plan for the During Park? During park has total of 8600 units and 5 million square feet of commercial and industrial And they have submitted for Prior to the moratorium they They submitted for the first 2000 units. That's across, like, I think we have seven or eight subdivisions. And we have another, I want to say ten site plans from them, twelve site plans for multi-family grocery, all that sort of stuff, and the mixed-use component. You remind me that's Western and Thai. Correct, and then TRC just approved the Welcom Center for Deering Park, so they will be getting a DO, and they will actually be starting construction on the welcome center. That's awesome. And so the next ones, the next ones up, that will likely get review and approved within the next few weeks here would be Indian River Boulevard Extension and Lily Hammock, which is the South mainector Roadway that will run through Deering Park Center. And that will be on the south side. And so Lily Hammock will be the main road running through Deering Park Center. Obviously, Williamson on the north. So they're planning on the first TIA covers roughly about 1,200 units and that TIA is pretty much done so that's the last real big hold up while we're reviewing the subdivision plans. But we're really excited for the project. I think it's really going to be a great project out there. And they've been willing to work. The PUD doesn't have a lot of teeth to it. From when it was once a DRI. When it was a DRI, it was going to have a trolley and all this other stuff. And then now it doesn't really have anything. But I will say that the Deering Park crew has been really good to work with. And they've taken staff suggestions that are legal requirements and they're doing them. So it's just nice to see like they're now putting, you know, there will be, they have a 12-flip multi-mold trail that runs throughout Deering Park that they're installing. Staff got them to put the refillable water bottle stations along that trail. It's not a requirement of the PUD, but we thought, you know, every mile or so having one of those would just make that that much nicer. And if you're already running, because they're running the water down the main roads, the water's already there, you just pull line. And so it's that type of things where it's like you know that sounds pretty trivial, but when people are out there for the next 50 years, experience it, 100 years experiencing that, I'll say God this is just, you know, this is just that much nicer. Because now you don't have to pack, you just pack your water bottle and And now you know there's water along this. And this trail will run the entire length. A little bit of reduction of trash too, you don't have to neglect the empty water bottle. It's a great idea. But there's a lot going on. So the moratorium, as I have expressed before, kind of had the inverse reaction. I guess people, yeah. So, you know, we also have the Earring Park, which has a lot of projects in and of itself. But the city right now, we have probably getting close to 40 site plans for different commercial, industrial throughout the city. and we're actively staff are revealing probably at least 13 or 14 subdivisions. And so that's just that aspect of it. So there's a lot occurring at the city during this moratorium. Which we all knew, those were things that were pre-approved. And I think in your mind, you were still going to be very busy and there was still a lot going on for the next 12 months. So what might happen is just following a couple of years might get a little lighter because you mentioned what it has. Good. Anything else on the development occurring in the city. No the good news is the council didn't pass the budget. Last night the budget amendment. No one on Monday night. And that budget amendment did include the allocation of funds to build part-time boulevard. And the ponds for the first phase at Space Coast Industrial Park, that's the 300,000 square feet of industrial class A warehouse that they're building. The whole thing is a million square feet for the first phase they're building 300,000. of that PUD agreement had the city paying the city pays for the pawns in the roads It's the last started putting thoroughfare there including out. Yeah. It's the last big piece. It's 83 acres in the industrial park. And so we're going to be getting a development agreement for that road with the applicant here soon so that they can continue. The good news is just that, so the total to build part temple of art and the ponds are going to cost the city about four and a half million dollars that will likely occur in the next four years. The good news is just that development alone at full build out only takes four years to completely pay for the 4.5 million tax revenue. So it's definitely worthwhile since it's called a ROI. Yeah the ROI on this is really good. It's just it's a little painful because the city took since Park Town has been done the city city has taken, the way Park Town was done was great. It was a great thing for the city. It's a way that the city allocated the tax revenue from Park Town was not the best choice because we put that money into general revenue. This taxes. But we didn't year market for this project. The good news is, prior city managers had put money in reserves year to year. And so kind of innately we did that, but it could have been done a little bit better, where the tax revenue from the industrial park would have been invested into the roads itself. Re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- you have funds that are earmarked or specified for that is then there are some other cities that are having issues where they have Daytona, they had money coming in with certain permitting or whatever and it's only allowed in that one specific area. So that would be like all of a sudden you'd have to have Taj Mahal there because the money could only be used there. that that would be my caveat to that where yeah I mean it allowed the city flexibility they use right yes but yeah I just I think the idea was that that was gonna take a long time probably that was the fear is that then there'd be this war chest I don't know why that'd be a fear. I guess because the money couldn't be spent elsewhere, but it would just be more of a cash flow issue then. Right. So are you could borrow against it or use that as something to get another loan bond or something onto writing against it? But besides that, that's a good project that will be really good for the city. Incertech did close on factory direct building. Okay. Despite us not having the tax abamement, which I was very concerned about. So we're gonna be coming in to do an expansion of that warehouse. And they're gonna expand that warehouse. Please remind me what they build. Yeah, me too. Thank you, Bliss. Please, for the spaceships. That is a win. That's a win. It's huge. I know. And that'll be about 75 jobs. John on the South Park. And where are they building? Where the old factory from Boston, from my old place. Right. And they have to rebuild or they have to add additional. So the back of that building right now was used for the RBE storage areas. So over the concrete, they're going to just put a new building. OK, so it's already concrete. Yeah. Yeah, it's not any, they're not adding any impervious. They're just taking the kind of the outdoor display area that had been a concrete pad and they're going to take that but it's a big building. I mean the building is already 40 or 50,000 square feet and then they're taking all of what they used to use as RV display which is another 40,000 square feet and making that into. So they're almost doubling the size of the building. Right. Today they're going to collect rainwater, whatever, from the building. Just saying that gets an opportunity where it would be, it's harder on a flat concrete pad to collect. Yeah, they're just private beacodders. That was a nice facility. And we looked at that at one point, instead of building building onto Whaler, that had some electrical issues that had a plate, docked for the seating, elevated, double docked. It was laid out very well. There was some low land opportunities on some of those eventings that there was also people travelling across US1. Right? Because that would pretty serious. So this is done. It's closed. Yeah, they purchase. When does the opening? Oh, I don't know. Yeah, they have said, well, I have to do the building permit. And so I'm hoping it's an open by the end of the year. Okay, well, with that announcement, I'd like to bring it to everybody's attention here, that there's a lot of vacant land around that building, that factory direct vault to go with it, because they were going to have to campground and everything. That is for sale. And so a company like this will attract other suppliers, other like companies, especially given the close proximity to Cape. And there is talk of taking that additional land and changing it to residential and mixed use. Commercial. Really? So here again, this brings it back to you. It says. It says the R.A. It's outside of that real park. So the problem with that land, it's kind of multiple things. So it's got mixed use to the park that, less is speaking about, as industrial, as heavy industrial. And they're taking that away. We don't have that anywhere else in the city because park down just think of park down as built out. Right. So we're going to take our next best chunk right there surrounded by industrial, which is the closest to the Cape and we're going to change it to residential and mixed use. Does that make sense? No, not from a long-term strategy of attracting jobs and businesses. With that, so the land use is heavy industrial and then the one to the north is public-semby-public. So based on what I at one point there was a hospital I'm going to go there, then that never came to fruition. A lot of PUDs around there have been approved, all residential. And so the concern of staff is that that entire area doesn't really lend itself to heavy industrial. Now it doesn't necessarily let does not lend itself to light industrial, but heavy industrial at that point the issue is the straight zoning district, right? If it came in on a PUD I wouldn't have a problem because I could build in standards. But it's like the fuel terminal in Ormond. Right. Our heavy industrial. Yeah, our heavy industrial there. We've city staff, when Sam was here, we fought off a bleach plant from going there. And there's 3,000, 4,000 residential units within like a half mile there. So it was, you know, it's just not, because of what has been approved in the past around there, it's no longer super appropriate for heavy industrial. So what's between heavy industrial and light? Yeah. Yeah. And when the city, unfortunately, the city uses light industrial as our nuisance zoning district, right? It's not really meant to be our light industrial. We put strip clubs and all sorts of stuff in there so that because we have very little of it zone for that, so that the limits where those can go. But we also then limit ironically, we limit it like made in factory. For me, but this has, these other ones have been approved, with the knowledge that this was zoned industrial. OK? Heavy industrial. Heavy industrial. And how often do you get heavy industrial? People fight it to the nail, not in my backyard. Right. So the residential has encroached upon the heavy industrial knowingly. But this surrounding area was always considered residential? Well, I mean, so we had we have across the street Boston Whaler. Right. I think it's just it's very mismatched down there. The way that the city approached annexations in the South Park and the way that the county had done it, I think it's just very mismatched in there. We got county subdivisions of mobile home parks. Then you have brand new single family home subdivisions. You have older ones. Right. You know, I can say just from my historical look at Boston where there were some concerns, even when the annex that south of us, the city had residential units. And nobody, we fight off a lot. We fought off a lot of complaints and we're always very transparent you know come in and set you know but I think that the city would lend itself especially having a factory direct trying to change that that people just like by next-generation airport people are going to complain about the noise from airplanes. Well, hello, right? I mean, I understand freedom of speech, but there's sometimes it's just like you don't want to chase away the businesses you have that provide a lot of jobs, a lot of money to the community, the people that live here in tax revenue. So I agree with Bliss. If heavy industrial is the one, we still can manage what goes in there. But to rezone that feels like it's a mistake from a long-term strategy. And then, if you consider that manufacturing today is high tech. It is clean. It's a lot. There are environmental everything to make sure it is environmentally correct. And there are penalties against it. And you can have safety bonds, and I'll use it for security, whatever you wanna call them. Just like Deering Park has a bond that should, their development calls flooding. They pay. And they remediate. And so there are all these safeguards that we have come to now these days. And here again, we can pick and choose. We're not going to have a bleach plant. Right. But we could have something else that was clean. So this fact can protect us. 75 jobs, weights, fields, lighter type of businesses. Yes. Yeah. So what is our next step? What do we need to do from business and from the afternoon forward to help have a voice for it. There is an opportunity. Well, we're working through the PUD right now with the developer for UNWA for the residential. For the mixed use, yeah, for the residential mixed use. Has it even come before the council, or is this planning in zoning? No, because we're still negotiating things. But do we want to wait until it comes before the city council to have input? I mean, if the developer is trying to have, and is there, I don't know, I guess I'm wondering why the cities even come to present their own change. Because it's public, send me public on the board. Council wants affordable housing. And staff's perspective, I understand. List is perspective. Staff's perspective, there's, it's pretty much residential down there for the most part. And the city's desire is to be small, excuse me, the small field. People in the future land use workshop on Thursday, based on the data mostly expressed that they don't want to see town homes, do plexus, quad blackwoods, they don't want to see a parmin, all they want to see are single-family homes. Even though that's the thing that everyone's yelling about, literally what the consensus is, is that they want to see more single-family homes. Brian, it's the non-yellers that want the single family in homes. It's the yellers that don't want. Which was weird because I was like, well, this doesn't make any sense. No, it doesn't. I'm not sure how to take this data. I'm not coming here for gender jobs. Yeah. It's kind of that sense. We don't want to just be a good seniority. Yes, I would make sure. But we want to be is a place where people can live, thrive, and work. And if we don't have the opportunity to provide additional commercial space for building, then shame marks. To which I will say, all everything we've been through for the last few months has been no more homes, no more concrete, no more fill, and all they're doing is backpedaling. And you have not heard of one commercial project or one industrial project that has flooded anything. Right. It has provided jobs, it has provided money, and this just don't make any sense. So hopefully we will have a city manager in time to have some direction because the council You can already tell, they'reed right yeah they cannot take a course of action and stick to it because of the mob because of the threat yeah it's part of the fear it's it's hard to keep that so what do we this group could right letters to the city council yeah you can do that as a board, we could take a position and make a recommendation. Yeah. We could invite the developers, team that come here, and we can discuss the pod. You need to invite the council. I mean, not one hasn't. Only council person who's ever attended our meetings is Debbie Dahlbeth. Yeah, I haven't heard anything from them. They don't really wait for it to be commented on on Facebook and that's how they make their decision about what we talk about. That's my take on it. Like, yeah. So, you know, they're just going to wait until it goes to plain zoning. So, as for a little bit of history with Boston Wheller, with annexation and with the Hacienda del Rio annexation in to the city. And that was kind of a partnership thing. We'll have this city, we'll have this buffer in between the parking lots. And I feel like that became a win, win for both. And I believe that even the juxtaposition of that of Haseyanda and Boston Whaler, it was not then an issue. Like I, there's always a few right I mean I don't have somebody I've got a lot of smell fiber I've got yellow dust all over my car well it's it's falling I know but it suddenly came or I can smell something or I hear the noise but it hasn't chased right Boston Whaler out like they concrete. Yes. Yes. So, knowing that there are good partners and good vets with manufacturing within, you know, surrounding residential footprints, whatever, hopefully you want to say it. So talking about history, you remember they were trying to put on apartment complexes like they were in Park Town. Right. They might have been before you. Yes. In 2005-06 they had, what was his name? The developer that has the place out by the PNC bank on 44. Mcmillan or McMillan. Anyway, he had a sales center there. They were doing pre-sales for homes and we were, right, I mean it's hard to move but it would have been a challenge to coexist with high-end riverfront homes right on that lot. It makes me, it makes more sense to have, especially with the factory direct area to maintain industrial. To maintain industrial. Yeah. Can we zero a plan that what this looks like so I can visually see? Can pull that up or send it out? And then we've got a couple of minutes. I want to make sure we have our agenda done. That's kind of wrapped us up. And I have a couple of announcements. OK. So why don't you go ahead and we'll pull this up and look at it. OK. Thursday, March 6, 430 to 7 at the Brandt Center is the Southeast pollution manufacturing and technologyias, membership and volunteer appreciation. That's tomorrow. Tomorrow. First thing. OK. Well, when you say Thursday, March 6, and I'm like, we're in the next tomorrow. Tomorrow. And this board is invited if you care to come. It's at the Brandon Center. At the Center and what's the time for 30 to 7. Thank you Tionnes is My apologies with me being out on a well-deserved vacation. Thank you very much I did not communicate effectively with Ryan to get this invitation to this course. I can't get there until like 630. So, okay, next moving on is March 27th. The Southeast Volusia Manufacturing and Technology Coalition, together with B-Card, are having a joint social at T. Honors from five. I will send out, I will get this announcement to Tammy so she can get it out to you. And then on April 1st, we are having the Southeast Coalition Manufacturing and Technology Coalition and Career Source Job Fair at the Branden Center from 3 to 7. April 1st. April 1st. So some of, we already have for that. This, that went out, the end of January. It's already been in the newsletter. And we already have 24, no, 34, 34 businesses registered for that. Some really good ones, teladine, of course our boat factories, So, um, haven't helped bring the power ice some different ones. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. So the insights will go up for that. Did you were able to pull that up right? Yeah. Close that. Were you able to pull that up? Yeah. Yeah, I closed that. I didn't know we were. I'm sorry. Sorry. Just to any, maybe I'll have you just send it if anybody's interested just so I can get a visual. So here's the RV factory direct. Yep Yep. They're gonna take this parking, yeah, this parking pad here, and expand that building. Right. Then they are proposing this 14.72 A here, commercial oil parcel. This is an older one. I don't know, maybe the new one's on my desk. This has been reduced from 7.25 to 6. And then they've carved out a fire station parcel for the fire department, because we'll need a fire down here in the future fire station in the NANDO's for a level service in this part of the city. So it says two front pieces that they're moving from industrial to no the industrial pieces this one back here. So this one here is heavy industrial. This one up here is public sending. And what's in the middle Ryan? In the middle right here. That's housing. Of course, housing. Why would you put housing like right behind the existing, you know the company that's coming in? Again, that, that, to Bliss's point, that would be like putting, you know, apartments in the, uh, park down. And it's in between US one and to the west there, that long line is the railroad. But you're going to squeal about the industrial noise and the smell. And look at how much residential is down there. Yeah, so this one is entitled for residential. This one has been improved for residential. This one's residential. This over here is residential. Everything north of this is residential. But so that makes sense to me, but not here right at at this parcel. Like it's better to be the pocket of in one place, the industrial, to put on top of it. I don't know. That doesn't, that's from a long-term standpoint. We to maintain some industrial. Whether, yeah. So, you know, anybody can make an argument that there's a ton of residential, so it makes sense to be mixed used, but we know that industrial, and we can control what businesses, you know, come in by recreating all this housing, and we have no jobs. And what percentage, on education boards would it say, Edgy Order has 1% industrial? Yeah, we're less than 10% industrial. And the good, a healthy, resilient community has what? 25. It's supposed to have 25 to 30%. And we're going to take what little we have and make it residential. Yeah, I would say the opposite. I think we should be looking at rezoning more to industrial just because so Ryan, I have a question for you and I apologize for interrupting but why are they going for this parcel and not the parcel that's already zoned residential? This is really the last large piece down there. So when you say it's already entitled to the south. Yeah, so this one, we have someone coming in, has an old PUD on it from mid 2000s for a 55 plus community. Oh God. Okay. This one has been approved. Listen, I am 57. I'm with you. This one's been approved. It's 278 single family homes. You got the 196 apartments. Plus you got 120 single family homes. I'm doing fish camp that way. You got these people in the county off on Clinton's cemetery. You have Washington Park South that was approved over here for single family town homes. And then you have Lennar's Phase 3 and 4 and edge water lakes above. Which specific areas are zoned in Dusterland? I know we have to kind of wrap this up folks because I'm this area. I've got a mirror. So outside of those residential that's in the middle, the long stripes. Yeah, this thing in here. That's residential and all around it is in that. No, this is all of this. And they want to change it to residential. So I ask my question again, we can make a formal recommendation. And I'll ask for that from this board. What else can we do? And I'm not, I don't have a pony in this. But I think it's important that the city plans for things that aren't just retirement communities. Plus us, but I need jobs to create younger people in this organization. We need places that people can work and thrive. This is a good spot for all the time and effort. Less bliss, she spent a lot of time trying to get great paying jobs for our youngsters that come back from school to live in this community and thrive. It would seem odd to take that away, especially knowing that we can just try to help those organizations that are going to build those understand that that's an industrial piece. I would like to know what do we do? I would like to make a motion that we suggest that we make a statement that we make a state supporting changing zoning that we have a recommendation that we present zoning. Do I have a second on that? Yes. Those in favor? Any opposed? Any discussion? Chairwoman Cruz? Yes. Mr. Jamison? Yes. Mr. Edmond? Yes. Mrs. Power? Yes. Thank you, Tammy. Ryan, where does that recommendation go? It would be in my planning and zoning staff report. Although, I mean, you guys haven't seen the PUD, but I'll still put it in there. Although I also be just something on the City Council that it's been recommended, maybe we just have those conversations, because I don't think City Council members always understand how important I'm creating a downtown Personal conversations and then attendance at the meetings Okay. All right right we're going to try and wrap up. Let's just do a quick review. So for the March 7th scholarship review, for reviewing the scholarships, it will be on March 25th at 9 o'clock. In this we'll send the room number. Is that something Tammy? You could send out the invite. Sure. Okay. So you'll send to her. Copy me on it just to remind me on it. Tammy will send that out. Hopefully this week at 9 o'clock we'll save that. Bliss has three events and we're not going to send out specific invites once tomorrow and then the B. card joint and the career source job fair which is 4-1 I'm assuming Dayton is participating usually on top of that. For those events everything is open to the public except for tomorrow. March 6th is not open to the public. March 27th is and well March 27th is but you have to register and April 1st is free and open to the public. So then Tammy to add to our agenda items we'll have some said discussion. Bliss if you would like to specifically put carve out or maybe it's Ryan that selects that for our next meeting. in the trance that 20 to 30 minutes, if it ends up kind of blowing up we may divide it into separate shots. Oh we're gonna have this is gonna have to go on. Yes oh I understand this is a long term but it takes more than 30 minutes Oh no. Then we need a special carve out. Especially for waiting for Kimlee Horn to come in you said the end of March that's yeah, that's That's do right so maybe we will have that for the April Okay, and then I don't have any other notes as a follow-up. I was going to go through each individual. Yes. So Bonnie will, this application, Bonnie will give us a yay-nay and we'll vote on it for the next meeting. Or do we have something else we can do? This is to replace Kelsey Bauer. Well, we should make a record. he needs to post it. Yeah, first. We need to post that there's an availability... So there's two positions. Yeah, so we need to do that first to give the opportunity to the public. And then... We should probably wait at least two weeks before giving a recommendation to see if any after we publicly notice it to make sure that people have had an opportunity. And in the past we have invited them to come to a meeting, yes. And you know, should we have Joshua come to the April 2nd meeting or do you think this will be wrapped up like that? It won't be wrapped up, okay. I don't think so. Okay. So I will... And does anyone... I can look at... Does anyone recall who was... Which council... I can go back in the minutes, but... If anyone recalls... Who, John and... Kelsey were appointed by... Which council members? Because that council member will have to make the motion... I'd have to look at it. works that way. I feel like there was something where it's... Typically for the planning and zoning board. Now I'll have to look at the bylaws from the PDB for planning and zoning. It's one person. I'm not sure that it's one person. I'm not sure that it's one person. I'm not sure that it totally works that way. I feel like there was something where it's... Typically for the planning and zoning board. Typically for the planning and zoning board, now I'll have to look at the bylaws for PDP for planning and zoning. It's one person, whoever the council person is, they do it because the council person makes that motion. Whoever's, they make the motion to recommend who they would want based on the applicants because it's their pick. So I thought we did did more. I have a recommendation too. Yes. We get the applications we talk about them. We need to check their references. We need to talk to people. We invite them to come. Right. Then we make a request recommendation to the council. And then it goes from there. Right. But I felt like it was a rotating. So maybe I'm wrong with that. What does the client have to get that? Each choose on the boards and then they rotate because the boards have board members and council members. Right. So, okay, maybe that's what I'm thinking of. Okay, so I'm going to invite Joshua Champion to our April 2nd just to make the team. Okay? All right. Christine, any reports? No, I've just been attending the CAC meetings for the TPO. There's stuff going on, but I don't believe we have, I don't believe that Georgia has any new asks of the TPO. So we didn't put anything into the call to action. I don't think there's any interest in making the Cal Creek connection to the town road wasn't really a whole lot of interest in making Boko larger to get out to Deering Park. So, there was no interest in bringing Glenco down to Cal Creek to provide another relief road to Williamson. That'll be on the other side. Right. Because that was the idea was to get Williamson and and then if you could get Glencoe and Cal Creek down to Oak Hill, then we'd have on both sides of I-95 between New Smurder and Oak Hill, you would have two parallel roads to I-95. But there's not really any interest in the public dealing with that. Yeah, no, I'm going to try and wrap up versus another discussion. so we can table that for the next meeting if there's Um for the discussion. Yeah, yes, I'll just announce and very excited to say that we are in very very very deep conversations About expanding the nursing program on our campus Nursing is a four semester program. Those are short. We currently have of semesters 2esters two and three So they are planning to expand it to have all four One very That's all I say As long as I've been alive Thank you, I don't have anything further to report. Bliss? Nope. Not today. Right? Thank you. Meeting the jury. Thank you everybody. Thank you everybody.