We have a lot of time to talk about the issues that we have. We have a lot of time to talk about the issues that we have a lot of time to talk about the issues that we have a lot of time to talk about the issues that we have a lot of time to talk about the issues that we have a lot of time to talk about the issues that we have a lot of time to talk about the issues that we have a call starting with staff? Good morning. Welcome to the design review board October 15th, 2024. This is Lord, this is Cabrera from the Chambers and Marcus Marcus liked with An Alex, who do it from the city attorney's office. I believe that was Alex,diebe who was intermittent. Can you hear me? Yeah, hear you there. Okay. Alex Odiebe from the city attorney. Okay, very good. And then we'll go ahead and do roll call of members and then the pledge of allegiance. So brother here. I'm not sure if you can get in the board. So brother here. Mariano Carral. You're buying that. Rebecca Cruz. Good morning. Perfect. And I, Daniel Guira. Okay. If we could all stand for the pledge of allegiance. A pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Amen. Do you want to do a little bit of a silent prayer for those people that have lost the lives in Haleen and Milton? Well, we can take a moment of silence. It's well in order. And I buzz all those folks. All right, let's go ahead then. Is it correct? Oh, we have the first item? Mr. O'Reba, would you like to do the swearing in? There are applicants here at the chambers. Yes, if we could have all applicants who are going to be speaking today, please turn your cameras on and unmute your microphones. Who won't let me turn the camera on, sorry. Let me see if I can help with that. I'm going to be presenting. I'm going to be presenting. I'm going to be presenting. I'm going to be presenting. I'm going to be presenting. I'm going to be presenting. I'm going to be presenting. I'm going to be presenting. I'm going to be presenting. I'm going to be presenting. I'm going to be presenting. I'm going to be presenting. I'm going to be presenting. I'm going to be presenting and neither is iPhone David. Well Herbert is. Herbert Martin is going to be presenting. All right. We're going to need him to to share their screen as I present the items before they give their presentation. First one on the agenda is. I hang on. Lord is let's wait until we swear everybody in first please. Okay. I was just given them time because it's a technical thing. And I don't know the iPhone of was this two David. I just sent a text to, uh, to bud for him to turn on his camera. Okay. He won't be presenting onto the third item, but. Well, what we wait, if I may make a quick announcement. For 45 years, I've never had a website. So finally, after people beating me over the head, my new website will go live in two days. So I finally joined the young men here in technical knowledge. So thank you for that. Go to it. Okay, so for everybody here and we'll swear in her later. And it sounds like David is not going to be presenting whoever iPhone David is. That's fine. If everybody could please raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear or affirm that testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I do. Thank you very much. Lourdes, all yours. Thank you. Good morning. The first item for review would be DRB 2024-027, applicant CIS and Molina. If you could please share your screen perhaps the site plan or the rendering. Appreciate that. Property owner, Land Trust Services Corp. Thank you. If you share your screen so as I give the presentation of item, they can see a site plan or a rendering. Thank you. Start with the front rendering. Thank you. Property owner, Land Trust Services, Corv. TRS, location 5753, Southwest 81st Street, request this new construction to story within the RS3 zoning district for the city of South Miami. The proposed as you can see is a two story residence and the plans have been prepared by a Florida registered architect and as required by the code by a landscape architect as well. This total lot size of 20,000 45 square feet meets the 10,000 minimum requirement for the zoning district RS 3. It also complies with the dimensional requirements again is 20,045 square feet. more than the lot size of half its size of 10,000. For example, this lot size allows a requirement of 27.6%. Again, it does not exceed that allowable. It's at 23% with 4,598. It also meets the FAR. The allowable is 8,298. The proposed is 6,000, 209. Impervious, again, that the allowable is 45%. The elevations, I'll let the architect present the materials and the colors as well. There is also a two story, I'm sorry, there's a two story home obviously, but we have the accessory structure at the back, at the rear yard that does not exceed the allowable height as well. The proposed is at 11 feet 10 inches. The proposed is 15 now it is for a detached accessory structure. You'll see the site plan, as I mentioned the lot, yes, it is a beautiful lot, 20,045, and you can see the land distribution and the courtyard, it actually has two courtyards, you'll see that on the site plan. It underwent a development review committee back in July, 2024, and they just recently submitted for a tree removal to the planning and zoning department. It's currently under review. Obviously during the previous DRC it was suggested that not just for removals but also for relocations, a tree disposition needed to be applied for. With that said, the applicant is requesting approval for a two-story building and the accessory structure and the landscaping from the development review board. Recommendation from staff is approval, all we need is to update the landscape plan legend to comply with the required mitigation in any comments from the board this morning. Thank you. And I thank the architect who is present, Cesar Molina, for sharing the screen. You also have the grading prepared by CarLab Engineering. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Berra. With the applicant, I'd like to make a presentation. Thank you, Mr. Cabrero, with the applicant like to make a presentation. Good morning, Gab. You want to go quickly through this is Cesar Molina of CMA Design Studio. This is a product that actually was designed way back in 2007, 2008 and was kind of a shell with this new buyer. Obviously, we brought everything up to code and introduced certain elements that we probably didn't have back then, one being sort of Tesla tiles that we're introducing into the house. This is like a P-West Florida vernacular style house with the typical lab siding, moving shutter, button shutters, laughter tail extensions. And we had designed a house to have like the processional experience of a series of indoor and outdoor spaces. So you'll see a series of court yards, internal court yard that in captures both the living, dining, and family room area. Then the rear yard, which encompasses the pool and carriage house in the back, which we felt was nicer to have. The garage took away in the back and preserved the streetscape to be a beautiful facade with just a symbol of a driveway and then along approach to the back from the carriage house. So again, very understated, you you know kind of QS whether you're portico, fortune of fraud and then you're louvers and you have your lap siding. We have ferretry stone pavers in the in the driveway, coral stone pavers on the hardscape areas and then simple light paint a stuck-o and white trim on the rafter tails. This would be the courtyard that flanks the dining room, living room and family room maybe within proposed outdoor fire sitting area at night and then the rear yard being more expansive yard that that encompasses a pool area with the carriage house in the back. I mean the pool is on access to the courtyard in the family room because of the conceivable there for grilling and cooking. This is an aerial view of how the house sits. It's almost like a short B and short C when you see the courtyard and the very yard and then carry a child in the back. Another view of the neighborhood of you. These are the general materials and pads in the house. It's a Tesla tile so it's fully solar and self-sustained. We got the hardy plank with the shutters, the Coralina pattern floors, Saka Coralina on the floors, perfectly on the driveway, then smooth stock of finishing the sod. These are, Lord, mention these are our parties and our zoning data, reading all the requirements. Again, the house is way below any other requirements, such as lock coverage and FAR. There is a site land so you can see the general party of the house with several courtyard and non-areas and then the carousel on the back. Perimeter offenses and gates. So the house coming to a four-year living room, dining room, small office library that could be the secondary bedroom, a family room in the back, kitchen, media room, and then guest house in the back. Upstairs is just primary bedroom, and then three kids bedrooms above the secondary floor. Extensive woodwork on the eaves and overhangs of the architecture. Same thing on the second floor, so true rafter tails, true light structural rafter tails and brackets. Room plan, the elevations. We meet all the high requirements. Again, very true to the proportions of West Indies, you know, two West now with extensive overhangs and the Eves and something like that. Thank you very much to that concluded? Okay. I mean, anything else? Let us know. I wasn't I just wasn't sure if you were concluded or you're pausing for a moment. I don't know how much detail you guys need to go over the design is just you know, a lot of the designs in the details, but, you know, we got all our rapid tail details and administration and calm details, braiding details. That we want you to go into. Yeah. And then we got our site drainage and civil drawings and then obviously our landscaping drawings showing the extensive landscaping that's in the house. Would you like to expand on the landscaping drawings and drainage? I mean we're capturing all the rainwater and all any you know understory water that falls into the house into our filtration systems and drainage systems. I mean you think we have extensive shrubbery and trees and understory vegetation that we don't have that we see in some of these houses. So again, I'm trying to stick to a very native palette of oak trees and ponds. And we got some sort of butterwoods. We got awesome some woven videos on the trellis. The palette, tied or knesen, the landscape architect, let's keep architecturally dying. We do have a, we do have a, this is a series of private materials that we're using. Again. Okay. There you go. There you go. Then a lot of coconut palms and palm elements and then a lot of coconut palms and palm elements and then more denser trees and shrubs along the perimeter to create privacy and an understory underlingment on the bottom. You also have irrigation and lighting plans on this part of our landscape. That's pretty much the extent of our presentation. We have any questions. Thank you very much. We'll now open this to a public comment. Do we have anybody in chambers around Zoom that would like to comment on this presentation? There's been money in chambers, but staff and one of the applicants. And seeing the one on Zoom, we'll go ahead and close public comment and we will open up to the board. Starting with board members of Rada. Mm-hmm. Yeah. No, I think it's a wonderful plan. The thing that struck me most is that most of the rooms have natural ventilation through ventilation, which is very unusual these days. And so it's a very environmentally sensitive or climate wise, very sensitively designed plan. And I like the idea that the garages put on the back. I'm not sure if they're going to back out of the garage all the way through the property or that little payday in front of it is going to be big enough to turn around. But that's, you know, that's a... So, I was just curious about that. But I think it's a very sensitively done. I had a question about this Tesla tiles. Are those solar tiles? I'm not familiar with it. Yes, these are solar tiles. We've done two products already in coal tables so there's no need for generators or anything that we back up so it's 100% sustainable So I think I definitely support of this such a beautiful, redesigned, natural ventilation, which is the best thing that I, you know, I think we need to have an extra landscape. Well, I would make that comment of Maria and make that comment, but I like... You're man-in. Say, say, say but the landscape, absolutely. No, I think it's, I wish the landscaping is as mature as it is shown in the first year. But eventually, I think it'll be a wonderful site. So I think it's a part of it. Thank you, Board Member Corral. I'm glad that to bother brought that out because it's one of the comments, but let me just say this. The presentation from the landscape architect is very nice. However, there is obviously a few things that you need to check in terms of the invasive trees that are here. For instance, this subata, the subota tree is an invasive tree. And those frame the money in relocating that tree just get rid of it you don't even have to mitigate. I didn't believe me go to the Florida and in basis species council you will see it there even this state of Florida you know Florida have mentioned that and the reason I mentioned I'm pointing that out is because I've never thought that the Sampalila will be a problem, but apparently it is The other one that is an invasive is your work furnace, which is not a native by the way also However, a because it's contained and I happen to like that furnace a lot because of the texture and so forth um, and so I went into and I wanted to get a little bit more of that. And I mentioned in all of this, because we have to be sensitive. He was so sensitive on the site, the way he centered up and all, that I wanted to see where the landscape architect was going with this. And the second thing is that you have designed designed in my opinion, Mr. Melina, a beautiful home, key wise style, the proportions and all. But the landscape does not reflect the key wise style. Everything is very straightforward, very ornate from that that from in terms of the trees okay your choice Instead of being grouped and so forth to create pockets that will call attention My only other issue that I have is this election of the tree a green button would I When they're small they look great But there are the most inconsistent tree to give you gives you you a different type of character. So if that's what you want, fine. If the idea was to let it grow, then top it off and give it a wall all the way around. That's another, another look. Califilm that you, he has proposed, works that way too as well. I was also looking at the gray, how that will work there, but I believe this is not this is all storm sewer, correct? Yes, no, there's no, there's no, um, grain failure. And and the other thing I noticed on the civil is that it shows what it seems like a gas tank in the front. Is that correct? There is a propane, yes. Okay, so, and I'll let the architect deal with that if he wants to, whatever. The other thing also that you had a tree, I wish the other landscape architect was here so we can add a real report. Because I happen to think that it did a very nice job, the presentation and all. So the only thing that he did not calculate, well, let me put it in a different way. We have a code that says that we have to provide three trees that are 18 feet tall. However, we also have a code that says you can break it down. The spirit of that code was to take all three trees that were total 54 feet in height and then break it down so that you are able to create different layers of height on the trees and create something interesting within you know we were giving that designer that ability and I know people want to move on but the reason I think it's very important because of the way the houses designed the way that landscape has been presented and I think it's in the merits to discuss that for future in when we're looking at this. So when it goes out for 500 square feet of canopy, when you divide that, you need five trees. That's your mitigation. That's what you're removing. That's your mitigation. Fantastic. However, you can break down to 300 square feet gives you more trees, but we also looking at the cost because the 18 foot 24 tree costs around $2,000 not planting. That you got to add the cost of insulation. By breaking it down in different heights, now what you have done is save money to the client and so forth. Again, I think he did a very nice job. I'm not going to penalize him for obviously selecting the green button wood as his main tree. It's a native, he complies. I'm just looking at it, looking at the hell, the way you describe Mr. Molina being a key West style. Where is the grouping? Now, in terms of the three years old, tantantantantant straight line, that was my only, and that's fine, that would work. But it's not what I would consider to be more the key West was more groovy, which is by the way something that South Miami has and a lot of homes, a lot of girls and so forth, a lot of growing and material pockets and all. But overall, very nice. and so forth, a lot of growing and material pockets and all. But overall, very nice. And you know, there comes on that. No, that's it. Thank you. Vice Chair Diana. Thank you. Good morning, Mr. Molina. I'm glad to see your house here in the neighborhood. I've seen your houses before. I came across a house a few years ago that you did in I was taken by it and so I really liked your house as well. Here it's really nice. I like it. I have a few questions you said that rafters and the ease are true wood and all are your shutters operational or they're just applications no they're just decorative okay and then deciding are you using a Stockholm like Siding or are you doing real siding? We're doing a hearty plank Yes, that's about hearty plan So they're real great. Thank you for that That's really the only comments I have I like your design a lot You would be great if your shutters were real and they were operational. I have them in my house and they were great. And, you know, I think that was the original intent of the shutters. So it would be a little bit more real if they were, but they're not. But they're great, easy to install, they're just close and you're done. I'd be for thanks. You're even though I'm sure you have hurricane windows, but you know, they're just a nice feature. It's nice when they are the real thing. For your house. So appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, Vice-Care. What do you remember, Cruz? I think it's absolutely beautiful. I mean, I can't wait to see the finished product. I love the tones, just like the architect described at the beginning of his presentation. It's just soft. It's going to be a beautiful addition to the neighborhood. Thank you. One more thing before, sorry, Danielle, before I get Mr. Molina, I think you're dry, where you may have some issues with turning radius. It looks like a 10 foot driveway in the front of the house. I think you'd have some issues with turning radius there with a 90 degree turn. I should come in and turn it around. Yeah, I mean, right now we have a very tight area with the amount of green area. We need to provide base on the code so we have to keep it at 10 feet. So, um, we Teter, wrong enough, the inside turns? We could, we could propose that we were just trying to keep it very clean and, and it's weird, but we could, we could work with that or not and maybe we have to reduce the drive way a little bit and pinch an engine. It should be quiet but right now you're that. Are you that tight with with the part of people? Yeah yeah you're you know your code is which I appreciate the amount of green areas that you propose is just like we would like to propose grab once that that doesn't count as per meets area of your code. So yeah, unfortunately your your hard scape and your green area requirements are pretty high which is great but then your material of allowable material for per meets areas and impervious areas don't really help us out. So let me let me ask you a question. And this is this goes for Mariano or Lorde as well, because there may be something here. I understand that gravel is not considered permeable, because the way that is interpreted for some people is that it becomes compacted and at some point it stops taking the water as it usually does at the beginning. So when cars are driving over and over and over it gets compacted. I have to respect that but I disagree with that because I have some gravel in my house, and it works perfect, and I'm part of my class there, and I will find, however, it is the code. But you seem to have some gravel behind the garage, plant-left and plant-solve. Is that gravel as well? Yeah, because there's nothing going to grow back there. I mean, you can put anything you want, You get access to the equipment and stuff like that. We do need some. And I see. And then if that is the case, Mariano or Lourdes, wouldn't that gravel that is not going to be driven over to be considered permeable? All right. This has been discussed so many times. I believe that in driveways and maybe this is where where the lawyers can correct me, I believe we give a 25% credit. Can we say, toa was a fact of being a pervious. I remember you have to compact the subsoil in order to be able to gravel on top and then be able to cart the roll over and eventually that gets to be compacted. But what I'm saying is in the bag behind the garage, no cars going to drive back there. And I'm asking, I know for me like open space, where it makes up from there, open space, the swimming pool is an open space. So you've got galley for open space, right? Grattle back there as far as I'm concerned, if the soil, and you put a gravel, that percolates. That should be a purpose. So you push on these, that's the way I interpret it. That's the way I interpret it. The city may look at it differently. But when you have gravel in an open area, that should be pervious. Why break it? But now, so if we just stick to the code without breaking any rules, Mr. Molina, did you consider that as nonpermeable? Because if the code allows for 25% we consider that as nonpermeable. Because we were told that non-grarabble because we were told that no gravel was Acceptable as crumbly bull area. Excuse me, but the chair If they did if we miss come right go ahead. Thank you First there's nothing in the code about 25% Okay, thank you for that. There was before so gravel in this case in any, it's considered impervious. They're at 45% maximum because as I stated on a 20,000 square foot, 20,000 plus square foot lot, as the lots get bigger, the percentages gets reduced if you recall in a 10,000 square foot lot. To story home, the impervious is 40 40 50 the allowable used to be 45 But as the lots get larger the percentage of impervious It's reduced and this particular site the allowable is 45 Percent and I believe they've counted everything including this gravel the driveway and that's why they have those to including this gravel, the driveway, and that's why they have before us. We try to use common sense here and the code sometimes do not allow us to use common sense. Looking at the professionals here, Charles Molina, Danny, myself, you, we know what happens in construction. We know how things work. And there are issues where if you've got an open space that is not going to be traveled by any automobile, my common sense will say, give it a serious area. It's a design look is what they're doing. But again, that's something that we can discuss later in terms of the code how to apply. Of course. I wanted to discuss it because maybe Mr. Molina would have a little bit of an opportunity there to make his drive a little bit more operational if you will. I think that you know if you have cars turning left and now you're going to get a little bit of a money on landscape. But it's just going to be a little bit of a mischief journey. Can we overrule that? I mean, as a board, if we believe we can, Danny, you mean the other decision to be on the fine, but I believe the answer is no. Yeah, unfortunately, we are somewhat, we're bound by what the code says. We are applying the code. Unfortunately, it is the commission who ultimately adopts this with the recommendation of the planning board, these, you know, the land development regulations. And it's certainly something that you should feel free to bring up to commissioners, you know, as part of your expertise, but unfortunately, we have a very, we operate within a box. And as much as we'd like to sometimes operate outside and think outside the box, for this purpose we are, we are in the box. So by way of this application, can we make a recommendation that this issue be? I know we've done this before. I believe that the changes that have been made to the impervious percentages increase came from this board from before. And so, you know, I agree with the concept that if nobody's driving on it, it should be considered pervious. So maybe we just make that recommendation, but for the purpose of this application, it won't have an effect. So if that, and I guess I'm the next to comment on the presentation, I would say that the architecture and design and all is very appealing. I think you all have done a great job as always. And so with that said, I would ask for a motion. I make a motion for approval with board comments and for them to have the flexibility to count that gravel that it's outside the driveway. And see if maybe it can get a variance on somebody to let a wrecked for. Because it's going to help them. Look at that driveway. It's going to have to hold it up. Board members, I'm happy to note discussion on that, but that shouldn't be part of your recommendation. The recommendation should be approval with board and staff comments, but we cannot recommend that they be allowed to do something that the code does not let them do. I didn't say that. Yeah, I think Mariana what the city of Therese saying is that we can join the two issues. One thing is that we are saying this should be considered and maybe this Applicant will benefit from it if it's considered in time, but we just need to focus on the approval of this particular item. Okay. All right, so let me Let me We make the motion. I make a motion for approval based on board member comments and Stat comments and well if we once we get a second, we'll have Vice Chair Bayana make his comment if we'll open it for discussion. I say it on the motion. And my comment is the following. If I think Mr. Molina is very happy with his design with being a rectilinear and very clean and simple because he goes along with the rest of his design. So, you know, I don't mean to drive your pain at all, I'll just make a suggestion, but, you know, I think you're okay with your design, so there's nothing to do here. So maybe we should blow it out of proportion. That's all. Can I make one last comment just a quick one. What happens is, what mulch in the back? Is mulch considered impervious? Yes. No. the treated is green, but it all depends on, you know, in this case, for instance, as a pathway. It is not part of your landscaping per se. So it is in the back or the sides, it is treated as impervious. We want to see green. That's always how we apply regardless of the size of the lot. We go by the percentage that allowed in the code and We roll with that mean that everything counts to is impervious That's good. So let's let's go ahead. We are motion under second. Okay Okay, with that said we've had our discussion and Mr. Brader how do you vote? Yes? Let's cry. Yes that said we've had our discussion and Mr. Brada, how do you vote? Yes. Mr. Crowell. Yes. Vice Chair Bayonet. Yes. Board member Cruz. Yes. And I too vote yes. Thank you very much for your presentation, and we look forward to a successful project. Thank you very much. Appreciate the comments. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Olin. Okay, bye-bye. Thank you. appreciate the comments thank you thank you thank you the second item is David troutments the drb 2024 032 applicant Orlando Rivas property owner or Vic LLC location 5890 south was 80 second street, it requests new construction to story. Also within the RS3 zoning district, we have a two story home. Actually a corner lot on the south side of 80 second street. It has a flood frontage of 105.49 feet. And 14,930 is the actual lot size. From there, and based on that, section 23.5 age dimensional requirements allows for a maximum score footage of 30% for the building. .45 for the FAR and the impervious allowable is 47.5. The proposed meet those requirements. I'm going to let the architect discuss the materials and the finishes. There's also a rendering for this home. It underwent development review committee on September 10, 2024. The architect was asked for the grading plan to include additional details and so forth since then that's been revised. We also have a tree removal, which was mentioned during the DRC to please submit for not just the palms, but obviously a tree removal. I'm sorry, it was just suggested that not just for trees, but for palms, the tree removal was also required. And the tree disposition plan is part of this package. It's also, they have not submitted yet for the tree removal. We have new trees along 82nd Street and three on 82nd and four along 59th Avenue. Remember this is on the corner lot. So we have that wide soil area to capture these trees and to capture the water also within the soil. The proposed is a true story and the request is for approval of the building. We also have the landscape by the landscape architect. This is the one by Herbert Martin. If I'm now mistaken, he needs to be sworn in. I have that in the back of my mind. So with that said, stabs recommendations for approval of the building and the landscaping with the recommendation, with the condition that they need to submit for a true removal and obviously mean any of the mitigation requirements and any suggestions from the board this morning. Welcome Mr. David Troutman. Thank you for sharing your screen. I think the only thing they haven't seen is a data rendering and the materials. But if you want to start with a site plan that is fine. Thank you. Welcome this morning. Good morning. Come before you today to to present this two-story home on a corner lot in South Miami. Here's the context and the lot in question is here and to the north is 82nd Street and to the west is 59th Avenue. This is the context. On the west side across 59th you can see this two-story home here and then across the street. This is one-story. Here's the subject property. This photograph right here and then to the east side is this home here. So here's our site plan, and you know, it is a corner lot, so we've decided to put the entrance and the garage opening off the 59th here. And then we have a secondary driveway and parking area to the on the north side of the site. The house is composed in a massing sense of a two-story volume centered and then the one- garage Massing is on the northwest side of the house Big open loja in the back with a second floor pool deck I'm sorry second floor deck overlooking the pool with the pool and back So let me take you first. Well, let me show you what the house looks like. This is what the house would look like for 80 second. And then this is the view to the house and the back. This kind of the residence is what we would consider a tropical modern design vocabulary with balconies and large wooden overhangs and providing machete areas around the house and painting the view of the house from the street. It's a nice depth and shadows. On the left side here you can see a couple of aerial photographs. This one would be the top one is looking from the corner down to the house, the front and the west side. And then below would be the view from the back of the house. Real quick, the house on the first level is pretty much an open plan. You have a foyer you come into on the west side of that foyer is the dining room and the right side of the stair and the foyer is a study and then we have the great room in the back that opens onto the kitchen on the west side is the service area and the garage and then in the back the barbecue area with the large loja. On the second floor you have the master suite occupying the south portion of the house, a nice gallery up above connecting the two other bedrooms. These are the elevations with material selections where we have stone accents and as you can see here the stone veneer and then we have white stucco for the body of the house and for the overhanging we have Kumaru wood slothets, a light tint on the glazing with a dark frame to aid in the appearance of recess. So this is the 82nd Street facade showing the front door which is the wood. As you can see here and then the back of the house, the south, as you can see here at the bottom and then the two sides, this one would be the side to the east and then this is the elevation on the west side where you can see the garage door and what we propose the aluminum pick offense along that west property line. Some simple sections. The house showing its volumetric properties, the double height areas in the foyer, with the gallery overlooking that and everything else is a one story. Again, these are the renderings in the back and I'd like to now turn it over to to bud to go ahead and present his landscape designs. Can you guys hear me? Yes, sir. Can we, can you please try and turn your camera on so we can swear you in? I'm going with a start video over in the left hand corner of my screen. It's got a red line through it. It's telling me your default microphone has changed to microphone. You guys being will now be used But then I said cannot start I got a warning sign cannot start video Okay, then I'm just gonna ask you to please raise your right hand And do you solemnly swear that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you. ahead. And you are Herbert Martin correct? Yes Sir I am. Okay. I think Dave is doing long enough he can play fast for me but but anyhow here we are. Okay so when I visited the site back in back in August late August of September I September. I think the things, the stuff out of me because I was there with the developer also and he wanted to protect them people, I think. So the very, I'll start with the very rear of the property, the very rear of the property, the south side of the property is loaded with kabata palms, Alexander palms, the neighbors have a pretty tall, clussy hedge behind there. There's some band, but in is in the Southwest corner. And so he said, let's keep all this. I said, okay, let's keep it. And then you can see I've rendered some of the existing trees and palms on the east side. Those are ficus marotta trees. I make a very dense buffer. So that gives us automatic coverage and privacy in the rear yard. In the front, the current homeowner or renge, I don't see what's attending, has lived there for a long, long time and apparently he's somewhat of a botanist, horticulturist. So we have this front property line, wide-o-way line of unusual species, edible fig, rosemary, just trofus, et cetera, et cetera. But it's a rather pleasant combination of something a little bit different than seeing just a traditional hedge. So keeping that in mind, we try to kind of hang on that character of it so that the owls itself can be fitted to the lot and not be in obvious you know disturbance for neighborhood. So it's continuity and some design intent to be compatible. Street trees in the front have a good look rated with the site with a corner lot visibility so there's an island scatine tree tucked in against the railway line. There's one oak for our massive canopy over the driveway, over the street, and over the driveway approach. I think that'll make sense. And I can squeeze another satin leaf on that side, and likewise I had some street trees. Another satin leaf from pigeon plums, because the potholeines in the rear're a sort of button with tree in the back. So we hit those requirements and then inside trying a modern approach to the front, there is a tree and just thing tree that we want to hang on to. Not really sure what it is, I don't know it, but it's in good shape between, here's to be a small dense tree, good to it is, I don't know it, but it's in good shape between. It appears to be a small dense tree. Could be native, but I'm not really positive what it is, but it's in good shape and I thought it could hang onto it. Otherwise, there's a cluster of geochia palms against the East property line. So I'm planning on adding more geochia palms to create a very dense con cluster north east corner of the house The rear of the property the yards are well, so we have to open They're hanging on to a mango tree There's bamboo cluster. That's I'm pretty good shape. So The landscape approaches to be like I said compatible without being overpowering and If David could flip over to the rating thing. They can see the requirements and the true disposition. We're only losing a couple of trees, really ones as ones a bottle brush going back obviously for the 60s or 70s. There is a Chinese stamp on the core. It's got to come out. In the back, there's a mango that's not in very good condition. And another is a semester date palm that's OK. Not great. But that is going to be impacted by the pullback. So we have to remove some things. But in general, we can keep a lot of the character a lot. And then finally, you can see a grading plan. If David could scroll down one. Yeah. Thank you. Okay, so I think a lot of problems that were not enough problems, but things that we keep reoccurring is how we end up with these you know with modern home whatever and there's a real desire building to have you know the pool deck, the low show, first floor of the same level. So we end up with a pool deck in the rear that's really a lot higher than that the existing grades. So I had to, we could either fill the site, which is kind of one way of doing it, but what my plan shows is that we're providing some grades, so we moved down from the full deck elevation into a flat area, and then we have a swale against the East Poverty Line, and I'll go on the South Poverty Line where we can between the pool and the distance of farms that all seems to work and then the contour is in the front are pretty simple again we're retaining water inside the property we're sloping from the right-away lines into the property and from the right-away lines out to a soil so you see, even on a grading plan, that a lot of the existing shrubs in that northwest corner if you remain. And I think there was one reason on the bottom where we had some complications, so what I'm doing is I'm just lying on the existing grade spot elevations and I'm extrapolating it left to provide. And then you have probably 7.0 or something and trying to keep the distance shrub and adjusting down booze. I think I resolved it and it seems to work. So the water is being held on the property without doing creating calculations and requiring stormwater drains or volume. Just right now complies with the intent of keeping the water I think that's the way that on this application. There's no money in the chambers. And seeing a video online, we'll go ahead and close public comment and we'll move forward to board members, board members, brought up. I don't have any comments. It's very nice. The usual dated, you know, very simple, simple simple lines and clean lines, well articulated volumes. So, usual good work. So I have no comments. Good, good to go. Thank you. Thank you. Remember Karabakh? I'm in the same boat. I really don't have any comments. I was going to mention about the power lines in the back, but they've heard that I addressed that. So I really don't have any comments. It's solid architects, solid landscape, what else can you say? Thank you very much. Vice Chair Biden. Good morning, David. Welcome back. Thank you. I feel like I know you personally already. I don't have any comments either except one minor which I usually make and I think might be an oversight and a very typical thing. I would love it if your driveway at the garage would have a communicating path to the entrance of the house. If you have a room to spare on the permeable area, I could somebody parking there and not wanting to come into the garage but come into the front and have to work through the grass on a rainy day or, you know. So it would be very utilitarian to have a small lovely there. Other than that, I've had many more comments. Thank you, Chair. Board member Cruz. I know, Laura's mentioned that, but can you say again, what was the lot size? This lot size is 14,930. That's why it's not quite the 50% in purge is it drops down to 47.5 that I did mention. Thank you, Lord. I'm sorry I had missed that. You're very welcome. It looks lovely. I like the materials that you know it seems like it's going to be a beautiful project. No solar panels. No solar panels envisioned for this project. Okay, thank you so much. Okay, thank you. Board member, I do have a little to say, a wonderful design. As always, David, thank you. We appreciate the effort you go into in presenting this completely and articulating it well when you do with that said I will ask for a motion. I make a motion for approval based on also on staff and board member comments. Second. First and second. A board member soprano. Yes. War of Cruz. The crowd. Sorry. Yes. Vice-Turvana. Yes. War of Cruz. Yes. You're right to. Yes. Thank you very much for your presentation. We look forward to your successful projects. Thank you. I hope you'll have a nice day. You as well. Thank you. Thank you, Nick. You're a good driver. Thank you guys. Thank you. Ms. Cabrera, look at our next item, please. Next item, third item, C, DRB-2024-036, applicant Antonio Fosa, property owner Kelly Zidick. I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that correctly. Sideg, I don't know. Location 15930. I'm going to show you the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the number of the zoning district. We have, if you recall please put your item, your rendering, your site plan elevation, something so they don't get bored with my voice and my technicality here with the numbers please. Tony Solasal, I think he was sworn in from the from the very beginning. So within the RS3 we have an interior lot on the south side of 80th Street. This lot site is 14,038 square feet. It is meeting the requirements of section 20-3.5H, those are the dimensional requirements, where we do have a maximum allowable of 30 for the building, 45 for the FER, and not quite at 50, it also 47.5% is the allowable for impervious. We are within those dimensional allowables based on the code for the three. We also have the architect. I don't know, maybe he is connected, but I don't see nothing on the screen that always worries me. I apologize, I don't have a lot of those. Is she on the screen? Okay, then we'll perhaps work it from here. I know Mark is listening to me, so thank you for letting us know that way we can be up to speed. As far as the elevations, I'm sure you'll introduce the materials. This one does have photovoltaic panels on the rooftop, but you'll introduce any additional finishes in the architectural. It underwent DRC on October 3, 2024 and it also will be required to submit for a tree removal permit as we have trees and I'm not sure we have some palms to mitigate. So yeah, because also there is no credit given for the palms and there are some conditions also from the DRC meaning. I switch time it was questioned that the building height and the dimensions for additional information that's on the site plan, but I think this one had to go back because of the actual building height. That has been revised since the D.R DRC. As I stated, the Tribunal needs to be submitted and that is one of staff's conditions. Staff's recommendations for approval with the following conditions. Number one, submit an application for Tribunal with the Planning and Zoning Department. Number two, application for the Tribunal shall include all invasive trees. So if you don't have invasive trees noted on your tree disposition, make sure you're submittal for the tree removal permit does include the invasives because they must be removed as well. Number three, update the landscape plan and legend to include calculations for open space and sod and a 70% for proposed shrubs. Number four, update the number of trees without counting the palms. And last but not least, any comments and suggestions from the board. There you have the front rendering and again it faces 80th Street, address 59th, 38th Street. Welcome Mr. Solsa. Hi, good morning. Thank you. Sorry, couldn't get the image on the screen. So as Loto said, we have here a need to story We have a, I mean, just wrote the renderings first and I'll show you the plans. As you can see here is a flat roof, contemporary style house. We have a big two-story volume in the center of the home facing up the pool. Master of Edmundsweep here on the ground level, open patio, barbecue area, downstairs, and an L-shaped pool. There you can see our two-story volume. We're introducing landscape on the flat roofs to soften it up and also to conceal the solar panels. We have solar panels on both levels. Over the house, the owner actually works for a solar company in California, so that was an important item for him. So here, there's just a yard. Again, the two-story entrance. We put open the roof a little bit to allow some lights. So we can get some trees up in here. And to remove the shadow, but we wanted to keep the clean line of the front across. The back porch is going to have the rolled-down screens and such screens. And this is going to be an indoor outdoor area that they're very interested in keeping. As you can see here, it was a roof. We have four little tape panels on the upper level. We have a terrace from the bedroom that faces the front over here. But in the other portion to the back, it's all sort of bad. We have the AC compressors, the generator up on the roof can see all from view, so we don't see it, and we keep as much green space as possible. Here's the side plan. Two story volume is this by here, with we have our planters overlooking the front, over the garage with a terrace, and then the solar panels with the planters overlooking the pool deck, and the backyard. Now, we have a good canopy, nice beautiful canopy of the LED existing in the perimeter of the house which was going to keep and that was pouring to the honors to keep a lush landscape in the back. We have a lot of comfy payload driveway just one approach to put a keepers watch screen space open to the front. You do have a very healthy tank and a pathway that connects from the garage, from the driveway, I should say, over to the front of the house, which is over here. Here we have our drainage plans. We're doing a soil along the perimeter on the east, the south, and the west of the house and a big collection area here in the front. You can see the driveway, the house and a big collection area here in the front. You can see the driveway of the walkway. The L shape pool and we are going to carve in some pods for landscaping. By the pool, which is one of the requirements of the design that the owners had, that they want to make it very tropical. There's an outdoor, this is the master suite over here from the master bathroom from the shower we're going to have access to an outdoor, this is the master suite over here from the master bathroom from the shower We're gonna have an access to an outdoor shower which connects out to the pool as well Let's keep zoning requirements notice that we're all met and Here we have a ground floor plan of the house Mean entrance walk-in. This is the bridge above the connected two wings of the home on the second floor and double height, building a great room space. We have the kitchen, which connects out to the covered barbecue terrace, these doors pocket so that during a nice day they can put down the screen and this is all like a set indoor outdoor from the end. The utility room that connects to the garage in the back, you know, placed for the garbage, which is covered until it's out of the way. And we have a study slash bedroom in the front with a nice big planter over the street. So the bed, and then we have the master suite, which is open to the pool on two sides, with the bathroom that connects to the exterior like a bedroom before and a nice big closet near the center of the home. Second floor we have two bedrooms split and then bridge the connects and this is all a double height space open to blow. So we have two long-to-end bedrooms and then from this bedroom over here we have access to the roof so we can access the AC compressor, the generator, portable tape panels, etc. on this level. On the other side of the house we have a gate which you can also come out and access the panels and the planters that are above that are looking down towards the pool. And then here is the roof level again we have all the panels and these are the openings that you see on the lens to allow light and water to out to the entrance. You have a ceiling plans. All the exterior is gonna be tonne of groove. You have the second floor, the second floor, the second floor tonne of groove is actually gonna go into the interior of the house and you're gonna be able to see that same roof condition, ceiling condition. Go all the way through. So this is a double height space. And as you're looking from the front of the house, that's turning room actually continues all the way through the whole volume of the house. So that means we're on our elevations. Sorry, you can see the generator and AC compressors on stands up on the roof. The beginning of the planters. And the viewers' attention to the pool. And in the back, this is the terrace. The barbecue terrace on the right. The mattress suite on the left. And the double high glass here in the center. These doors open. Both of these doors open. They're pocket. So on a nice day, the whole house is open from the interior to the exterior. This is the side entrance, so we have our water heaters, our FDL panels, all that. And then you can see here the elevations with material. So we're proposing different color stuff and these are composite wood panels. They're not wood, the aluminum but they make you look like wood for the elements. There's our overall plan, a wolf plan with the panels. And here you can see the materials, the color of the concrete favors. We're going to enforce the entire for the pullbacks and the exterior. We're doing the dark color cool, the contemplative light on it. Over here, a room on the gates on the sides and this is the composite slide material that we're using for the elevations for the facades. For the land state plan, like I mentioned, all the streets in the perimeter are existing. We are adding some in the front to accommodate the mitigation that is needed for the trees in the center. But I do, I should have mentioned there isn't existing one-story house on the property right now. It's much smaller than this. That's what the owners live with this moment. And here you can see the three mitigation in some of these are invasive and the ones that are in the middle that are in the middle. It's pointing to you guys have any questions and you put the lend and backup and you can see it. Okay. Okay. If that concludes your report, we'll go ahead and open this to public comment. Anybody in chambers or online that would like to comment on this presentation. There's nobody in the chambers. And seeing nobody online, we'll go ahead and close public comment and open it to board members where members brought up. I don't have much comments. All the thing I have a question about the generator and the roof. What kind of screening is there provided because the rendering or not the rendering but the plans show the generator is, you know, obviously depends on the size of the generator. Mm-hmm. As screening is proposed for the generator from the, from the neighboring properties, because now it's high on the roof. It's more visible than on the ground with the screen. For the neighboring property, yes, There is no little screening here currently. We are going to have some polytrees in this area. We could extend this wall over the cross of Niki to cover. So the AC compressors are here that covered under the roof. We can extend this over for the generators. Because we're doing all the follow-up with those panels, we're still currently working with the engineer trying to decide if we're going to have a general deal or if we're going to have a battery backup system for the house and that's something that again, the owner is very hands on on this because that's what his profession is. But for right now we just put in a generator as a standby for this location. Yeah, I mean with all the solar panels, I don't know the generator is really needed, but it will depend on the... I would like to see if the generator is a big enough generator, then it needs to be properly screened. If you have one of those smaller portable generators, then there's no problem with the air-fed wall can probably hide it. And the other thing is again, it's based on the generator size. I can see some vibration issues, structural issues, some of those things get rest. Noise issues for the master bedroom downstairs. Well, master suite downstairs. I think it's over the bathroom. It's over the bottle. Yeah. So that could be issues that we looked at, vibrations, especially the vibration issues. I don't know any issues. It's a good thing that the old houses look like. It's going to be dependent on solar generated power, which is good. All right, another thing is that the house is very transparent. It's see through kind of approach. Obviously, in reality, there's going to be some, someone is going to want to put some privacy screening. So what is the plan for those kind of things? Or are there some screen that drops down or? Yeah, so the idea was we're going to have privacy screens on the 7th floor and down here at night. So that one, you know, when it's lit up. So towards the front of the street, towards the back we're not going to have anything because it's private. Like I said, there's a big canopy and you don't really see anything from the street. We may also have just a solar shade that comes down for the stair. Just a block in all areas from the street to the one. So those things at nighttime you could not see through. But daytime you can see through. It's a bit of a day time you can see through depending on the light condition. That's what the nodal request. It's not a day time. It's all kind of solid volume. So yeah. Okay. So that's it. Thank you, It's brought up. What do I remember? Is muted? I hear you. Is your last year for the here. No, I got a lot of issues here. Especially the part of the trade mitigation plan. If you have noticed you've been sitting on the other application, every sheet that has come before us, I mean every applicant in this come before us, has a true disposition plan with a name and botanical name of every plant that is out there. This fails at. Number two. He fails to call out which trees are invasive. He fails to call out. What we are calling up with $21 trees that are invasive. Well, Akasia is an invasive tree. And so here's where the creative. This is why we need the botanical name. There are other occasions that are not invasive. So, the botanical name is the one that lets me know, and this or no, whether that should be removing, you don't have to mitigate just removing, or if you are going to relocate it in software. It's so important, Tony, that the plans are accurate because you come here only one time And then it falls on staff to follow up on this So let's take tree number 38 a fight history which fight is I'll be well it is telling me how big 20 feet by 20 feet actually 25 by 20 with a 24 inch trunk. When you place that that home there with your pool area, I think that's the asynchronous. Those roots are gone. You just eliminated it basically over 50 to 60% of those roots. That's because of problem. I'm wrecking, I'm wreck, I'm making a recommendation to you. Remove it. Medicaid for it. That's the other thing I don't know where are the mitigation for those trees or putting it back on the site. I don't see it. Which is one of the things that's missing. Tree number 23, it says that it is a gumball limbo to remain yet. Somewhere here at the Why, maybe I'm going to be able to survey. Bear with me one second, maybe I'm just ready. Okay, it could have been me. I mean, I'm just ready that is looking here. So, we see where, no not by the way your own brell of tree is just to remain that's number 34. So that's an invasive tree. So when I look at this thing. I'm sorry. So you may have this or something that I know that I'll share the landscape architecture work with this white foot on staff and those two 21 and 24, are the remote and you see how you have an overversion, this is the one that was the last of the projects. Well, I just then that he may work with Mr. Whitefoot right at the end of the day, the UNSCA bucket is one responsible. He's got a double check. Hey, staff makes mistakes. No questions. You know, so he's got to check this. So they missed a life of who follow up on that. So there's a lot of issues here, Tony. And here's where my issue is. I'm going to prove this. Because you're only going to come here one time. And now, staff is going to have to make sure that everything that I'm saying here is followed through. So let me start again, botanical name for every plant and every tree that's going to be removed. To show whether that tree is invasive or non-invasive. Three, the condition of that tree. Good, bad, look, but you know, those are the important things from that aspect. But I also want you to take a look at, and this is the recommendation from the landscape architect that should be telling you, hey man, I've got a problem with tree number 38. I've got a big tree there, and my issue is that we're taking away a lot of the root system. The branching is also going to be hitting their building. That's going to have to be cut back. So all of this becomes very important for you to look at and for you to look. What type of palm tree? I mean, there's a lot of things here that in the past, I would have said, sorry, no, come back. So for me, I'm just giving you this comments. There's a lot, we need decoculations because I don't see it of the canopy that's being removed, not shown on the chart either, that will give you a square footage and you cannot use the existing trees that are remaining for the mitigation that has been removed. Okay. So now to your house. I love your house, man. It's the Brata City. You can see right through. Okay. And that's it. I'll leave it there and we're good to go from that aspect. Thank you. Thank you, Board Member Kaurav. Vice-Chair Vaina. Thank you. Good morning, Tony. Love your house. I think I love everything about it. Yeah. I just don't know if you're going to be able to do, or I don't know if you're going to be able to do or I don't know if you're still intent to do the garage door flush with the rest of the facade from the front. And we had any considerations into that. That's one you mentioned answer. This is a point of attention between us and the owner. We were originally we had a standard garage door, but they found the product that they really love that this exactly list and it's engineered and it's a product out of, where is it? It's simple, I believe it is, and it is a flush door and it opens up, doesn't roll up, it actually folds up into itself. It kind of looks like a transformer. It's the most expensive garage door you've ever seen in your life, but that's what they wanted to be. So we're going to proceed with that until budget tells us otherwise. And is it like tested for high velocity? we do have part of the reason why it's so expensive is that they have an engineering program that they will provide all the populations and they will be approved. It just doesn't have an endowatip because we don't use it. But this is something that they literally add them in about, they love it. And that's why I'm showing that flush garage door like that. Great. And then I agree with the subrata in regards to the generator. I would definitely consider placing it, you know, yeah, this is a good image. If you must have it in the roof, I think it makes sense to have it in the opposite corner going from the master, talking that corner where you don't really see it from the side. From the side, I think it's very close to the HLH house. I mean, the generator is going to be four feet or five feet with the support. It's going to show. And it's going to be a nice show for that beautiful house that you have. So I think it would be your best interest to maintain the very thin lines that you have achieved for your design, to put it either close to the corner on the opposite side of the house. Maybe just sacrifice, well you wouldn't sacrifice a sort of panel because you would just switch it or find somewhere, you know, maybe I'd run that world where you can hide in real landscape. Ideally, honestly, we'd like to remove it all together and just go with batteries and that's something that we're working on. We're just going to put it in because we say, well, let's put it in just in case, you know, that doesn't make sense for the technology for the batteries. Well, yeah, agree with you. It would be, well, I put it over it and get to it and it's above the closet If you put it on the other side it's actually going to be above the kitchen Which I think it's probably going to be more of a concern when I want to fix on but I understand what you're saying Yeah, I mean, you know Generator comes in in cases of an emergency. So something's got to give at that point But I just don't think that, you know, one thing that I would be how strong opinion about is I don't want to see it from the side. Like from your neighbor, I don't want to see it up there. Again, I think you have a very elegant home, the colors, the texture, the files, everything. And so, you know, maybe you would consider extending the, you know, yeah, that would be the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the pool, you could also turn around and go back or create a portion of landscape on that section and they just cover it. But that's the only thing. I wouldn't want to see that there. I think your project is going to go forward, but it has to have that condition. Okay. Welcome. Thank you, Vice Chair. What are member crews? I think it's beautiful. I think it's going to match very well on Idiot Street. I did have a question. What is the height of the garage? Is it double height? No, it's a single height garage. It's because of the planar above and it serves as the, I mean, it's the other, you can see it here. The walkway of the terrace up here. So that's a 42 inch planter, so that it serves for fall protection. But it's a one story. It's fun, it's about 13 feet. Very beautiful. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, it leaves me, Tony Tony good to see you again. I do love the architect, I think you did a great job. I think my fellow colleagues here have pointed out all the items I would have brought up. I did have my concerns about the generator, but I think that's been exhausted. So I'll go ahead and call the question. Can we have a motion? One last thing, Tony, real quick, on your rooftop planters. Again, it's just a reminder, how are you going to treat that, how are you going to drain that? It becomes a leisure later on. I don't know if you're going to have scuffers falling up to the side, or you're actually going to have drains up there, the weight, and all that. I mean, I look at it because we designed so many buildings on rooftop gardens that we look into that. There's no difference on a residential home once you get it up to that level. Okay, so we will have we will have interior greens and we will have scuppers towards the inside and all of the roof greens will go like for example we will have interior greens and and irrigation in those branches. And one last thing, if you can provide until your landscape architect, because I know staff is going to follow up on this, I believe in minimalistic. But this is beyond minimalistic. I mean, it's just one shrug that is wrapping around. There's no creativity from that aspect, or I've always been more concerned with the front of the house that that's going to look and I understand that you want to have the house to look at the being the actual eye catcher but there is such a thing as balancing out the landscape with the house and at the same time I think that you should use spread out the species. Make, you know, call out for a couple different types of species to make it interesting that's it yeah I'm looking for approval I would just add to that that the you know I wouldn't over complicated the maintenance you know up there is going to be a challenge yeah okay so we have a motion and we have a second second Thank you. First and second. And if there's no discussion, subrata. Yes. Carole. Yes. Diana. Yes. Cruz. Yes. Right to vote yes. There. We look forward to your successful projects. Thank you, little monkey. If Miss Cabrera, if we can have the next item please. Yes, for the record, I do not see the next applicant. However, let's keep in mind they're not required to be present, so I'll rate the item in. And you. I'm sorry, you learned a certain throughout your year. Is Mr. Pritchard not a part of the, or he's just a citizen looking at us and that's it? I'm not understanding your question, Carole. All I'm saying is the next step is not here. Well, okay, so there's no point. I don't know who Nathan is with. Thank you. He's here. No, that's for the following item. OK. Like I'm saying, for item 7331, Subway 64th Court, I don't see the architect nor the applicant present. So I'm just going to read the item in. I'll read the report. And Mark is just going to read the item and read the report and Mark is just going to help me hearing the screen so we can see it. DRB 2020 4 016, applicant of skyd familiar property owner 7331 development LLC, locations, 7331 Southwest 64th Court, Request and Reconstruction, two stories, also within the RS3, single family, residential within the city of South Miami. This particular lot is an interior lot on the east side of 64th Court. The property is a lot with 73, which fails to meet the 75 minimum lot size required for an RS-3 zoning district. So we have a non-conforming lot of record because of the lot frontage, because of the actual width. However, section 20, dash 4.18, non-conforming luts of records specified that notwithstanding limitations and pulls by other provisions of this code in any district in which single-family dwellings are permitted, a single-duhuelly and customary accessory buildings may be erected on any single lot, recorded at the effective date of amendment of this code. Basically what this means is that the new design would have to meet current code and that is section 23.5H, the mention of requirements for a two story home. On a 10,222 square foot lot size that does meet the 10,000 so as far as non-conforming it is only non-conforming as to the actual width and not both as is stated in a section of the code. So with that said 10,220 the allowables are 30% for the building, 45% for the FAR, and the impervious, the allowable is 47.5. These proposed, the proposed score footages are within those parameters. As far as the elevations, we have the, since the applicant is not here, I'll run those by you. We have dark bronze windows with a smooth texture, stucco walls. They do have eight inch height scoring as stated throughout that home. As you can see on the first and on the second floor, we have the eight inch scoring. The colors are Sharon Williams, Creek Village 7551, Tara Brun, 6040, and Pure White 70005, as I mentioned by Sharon Williams' manufacture, and the outdoors is going in black. The height is within the maximum allowable of 25 so that's also in compliance as far as the building height. We do not have any solar panels on this proposed. I could be mistaken. I didn't mention that but I do not believe so. We'll take a look at the additional plans for that. It underwent Development Review Committee on April 25th, 2024, actually since then the design for zoning has been revised. We had issues with the building setbacks, the score footage, FAR and impervious, but those have been revised and it is in compliance as far as the landscaping that has been designed by Florida Landscape Architect. Those plans are attached. We have 13 existing trees and five new trees provided. It is important to note that the amount exceeds the minimum number of trees required as we know is three trees per lot. This is an interior lot. There is also one existing tree and one to one to be planted on the soil area. As we know, palms don't have count, and this is the condition and this report. A tree removal is required to be submitted, and that was stated during the ORC, as you have been submitted at this time. The existing tree disposition has additional details and reference to those that will be requested at the time of the tree removal. At this time the applicant is requesting approval for the two story building and landscape. Also staff recommendations for approval with the following conditions, submit an application for tree removal with the planning and zoning department, update the landscape plan legend to include the correct number of trees for tree removal with the planning and zoning department, update the landscape plan legend to include the correct number of trees and to comply with the required mitigation and update the number of trees without counting the palms in any commons and suggestions from the board. As I stated, I can't quite see, but Mr. Familia or Mr. Ralph Pwyth architect, if you're there, I do not think so, but if you're there, speak now. Mr. Familia or Mr. Ralph Weigh Architect. If you're there, I do not think so, but if you're there, speak now. And Chair, you can, or Alex Rive, you can come in on how you wanna proceed again. The applicant is not required to be present. Mark as you wanna roll down maybe to the site plan or whatever the board wishes to see additional plans. Let's go ahead and open it up to public comment. Is there anybody on Zoom or in Chambers that would like to comment on this item? There's a bunch of Chambers. Seeing that one on Zoom will close public comment. Is there anybody on the board that sees anything that needs to have an in-depth discussion or recommendation? Yes. Okay. I saw hands go up. I heard voices. You wanna go for it, Harvey? Sure. Can we go to the rendering for a minute? Or we could go to the elevations and then go to the rendering. I think there's a few things. Just a one moment, a city attorney. If we're gonna go into depth here and we don't have the applicant present, should we just go ahead and go through the motions without them or do we defer this and have them come and participate with us later? Board, it's up to you. I don't see any issue with letting the board members make their comments. I'll put that on the record and then the board can make its recommendation. Or if the board really wants, if certain board members feel very strongly that they would like the applicant here to hear the feedback and see what changes or solutions or responses they would have to those comments. They could defer but you are absolutely able to proceed with comments. However this board sees fit. Is anybody opposed to proceeding without the applicant being present? Yes. I do, yes. I think we should review, I think we should make the comments and so that it makes sense why he needs to come back. He or she is to come back. Or maybe not, maybe I'll fall to come back. For, for, for members, if I may, you guys can put your comments on the record and the applicant can come and look at this video after and take that in and, and, and that'll be, and your recommendation to ultimately to the planning director will, will stand and, and the planning director, as always, will take those comments in. I, I don't know that you don't strictly need to have the applicant here to respond or to say anything at all. So it really is whether it's something that's really important that says we cannot proceed with this until you address this, that's one thing. The other if you would like to put your comments on the record, I suggest you put your comments on the record and we keep things flowing, but that's, again, a word for a rocket. Yeah, I do believe certain comments may not be able to be addressed just by a simple comment. There are things of design that needs to be sort of like a refought. And so I do believe that they should come back but you know we should make the comments anyway. Well so we only get to see this once so if we're going to go through the process of comments and defer it I think you know we're we're doing this twice but City Attorney what would you say? I remember that this is a recommendation, right? So I think you can give your indication and move it forward. Ultimately, the comments that you make and the responses or whatever needs to be addressed, that is something that staff will handle, lures will handle with the applicant. And obviously, lures this is here and lures this is taking diligent notes over all your comments. Again, I don't, it's not my place to say, but, sorry, go ahead. So, I'm by this time correctly, when we vote, when we all vote no what happens to the bride it keeps going forward anyway? No it goes yes it goes forward but it goes without the recommendation of approval of this board that means that taking your comments and the reasons that you put out there for your recommendation against this design, go to staff and staff goes ahead and works with the applicant to either address those concerns to the point where staff says, okay, we feel that the concerns have been addressed enough that this project now we feel comfortable given the feedback we got from the design review board but yes this is again for single family homes this is a recommendation. I suggest that we just go ahead and make the comments and the applicants had the opportunity to come to present their project. They are not here. They haven't given a reason why they are not here. So I don't see for us to have to revisit this again other time. So we need to go ahead and make comments and move ahead. Keep going. That's not my idea. Okay. I love that. Should I go first? Go ahead. The reason I wanted to discuss the elevations because it may be a little bit different than the rendering. And I don't know which one is true because there's no documentation of the overhang of the roof. Mr. Bainan, through the chair, by me. The rendering, it's really to represent colors and materials. They're not going to build as per the rendering. Okay? So it's good that we have the elevations up in the screen. I would follow the elevations, please, because the rendering is usually done by an artist, and the home changes, and the rendering never gets subjaded. So the rendering is just for the colors, the pain, and the windows. But I would comment on the elevations, please. Thank you. Okay, that's also a separate issue because we focus a lot on rendering, so maybe we shouldn't. However, there is no documentation on the elevations as to represent the overhang of the roof. When I look at the elevation, especially the front elevation, which is more narrow earth than the side of the bed, it almost looks like a very small hat for a person inside of a portion. Is this proportion? In other words, it's too small for the size of the house. If you compare it to the other presentations or any other house that has a far wider overhang, it does well not only for the aesthetics of the house, but for the practicality to our climate. And so, excuse me, Mr. Baena, since I am taking notes, what do you suggest on this design? A two foot overhang throughout the home? Because I have to, if I'm going to enforce it, I have to say something. I cannot say, you know, overhang is too small. I need to, obviously they're not consistent. If you look at the right and the left or east and west They're not the same So and our and our hands are tied because you know, how do we come into adjust who left or the right because there's no information So I would say that at the very least that you have a three foot overhang Throughout the house of this size. Thank you three Three foot throughout. We make sure that that gets read into the conditions when there's emotion, please. So I need to guide them accordingly. That's why I want to be very, very specific with your comments. Yeah. I have to be very honest with everyone here in the board. I feel so uncomfortable doing this because it's the comments that don't go anywhere. And that's how I feel. They will go. They will go far. If I am directed from you on three feet, that's what I'll... Well, I know it's a... I know the purpose for an overhang and so forth. So the fact that this is here before you is because they have finally gotten me every plan that's necessary for a complete submission and so forth. But yes, the drawings are very poor. There's a lot of inconsistency in these plans. So that's where you come in. When I can no longer proceed, it needs the zoning, it needs the numbers, but the architectural example. Three-foot overhangs needs to be consistent. If they were here, they'd probably say, oh, well, that's a typo or rendering or the CAD person. You see, show three-foot overhangs. Like, for example, the previous home, we discussed the generator in top of the roof. We really want screening. So you say screen the generator. If you decide to go with the generator, either with a wall or a buffer it would landscape it. That's a condition that staff can then make sure that that generator screen on the side. See? Give me directions and then I can make sure they get through. Especially on this one that the applicant is not present. So you're here. Let's move to the next comment. Thank you. Well, that's one. There's no consistency on the alignment of the way this is in the front. This is really good when you look at it in section in the red rings. This is totally different from this. This entrance being here is so like very different language than the rest of the house. There's a lot of things that it would be much easier to have a conversation with the presenter, maybe has a reason for it, but it's hard to defend it. So I could go on and on and on, but I'll stop there. That's, I don't agree with you. I'm gonna, I'm gonna go through the chair. Again, on the first floor, you basically, one alignment of the windows, right? You want on the second floor, the windows not to hit the top of the roof as they're shown there. And. the windows not to hit the top of the roof as they're shown there. And... Yeah, um, Miss Cabrera, the thing is... I understand the thing, but I need verbal direct information. But I'm trying to... I can't. I don't think that the sign should be achieved like that, because we shouldn't take the designers' hand and tell them what to do. We're not here to tell them what to do. We're here to tell them advise them on something and the advice is it's a communication. It's a two way thing. So when the person is not here, it's hard for them to say, well, maybe I could try something else. As we did at the first house, the purpose area was cited that like, could we can do it? So we went on with our lives, but here we are talking about something that you're gonna have to say that I said that he should Shake this you know, maybe the circular window to rectangle. I don't want to do that. I'm not the designer. I just don't agree with the design No, I'm gonna Pointy, but I'm not gonna say you said I'm gonna say the as a whole. And hopefully he will listen to the tape aside from my notes here. I'm sure the broad is going to touch base on the front elevation also being that he's an architect. So. If I may, let's try to keep this to requirements. And you know, I mean, opinion is one thing. Squares, triangles, rectangles. You know, that's not something that I think we need to dive into. If somebody wants a circle next to a triangle or a square, that's what they want. Well, certainly, but you have a window hidden in the roof there. No, that's fair. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. It ain't going to work. Mr. Rivera, that's a fair statement. That's what I'm trying to say is, let's keep it limited to functionality and requirements as opposed to our personal likes. And I say that also in effort of time, because we do have one more item, and we are now pushing the two hour mark. So let's go ahead and streamline this a bit. Go ahead, vice-chabiton. I'm finished. Okay. Mr. Gibraltar. Well, again, I think the design is very poorly done. The layout inside is very poor. I mean, give you one example. As soon as you walk into the main door in the front, your stair is right there. There's no, you know, it's just very poorly done. The whole thing is very poorly done. The obviously rendering and the elevations and they don't seem to make any sense. But then, you know, when the end of the day, our obligation, our obligation, our responsibility is very limited. And we don't have, we can go back and forth, but this is a subjective decision we're making, and the architect can say, this is what I want, and that's it. There's nothing we can do. this is not a board of architects. There's not a, we call it a development review board, but this is just what they want to do that. That's their prerogative. We can really have no, we can discuss it, we can suggest, but at the end of the day, this is what they want and that's what they're going to get, as long as it meets the code. So I think it's a very poorly done design, a layout, as well as the architectural expression, but there's nothing much. I mean, I don't want to go through every nitpicky stuff because that's not going to help anything right now. So I don't have any comments. Thank you. I have a question. Go ahead. Can we defer it and ask them to come back and present? We can. It seems like that would, in my opinion, be ideal. I don't know how everyone else feels about that. I think my challenge is this, you have to begin with the end in mind. And if we're starting off with a design that doesn't make sense, as Ms. Cabaret mentioned, the roof's hitting the window. How do my challenges is will this actually get built correctly? And so are we helping the owner by deferring it and having them complete their design correctly like the other architects that we have seen prior to this presentation, as opposed to pushing this through with comments and trying to, you know, I don't know that we're saving them time or money. And I will protect in the city from this building. As is. And this is where the fallacy of this board is right now with one time. It's, uh, it's, it's a fact. It's a fact. So brother brought up a good point. Now, if we see that it's such so many problems, my only problem right here right now is the storm, the civil engineer or the berm on the drainage plant. That doesn't work. We know that's going to be destroyed once they put the trucks in the troughs and then the integrity of the drainage system is gone But at the end of the day they have to make sure that water does not go into all the people's problems. So My issue again has always been We do have a problem here We could make our comments But in the past the name lawyers will not know they will come back and they will have to present with our comments that we made before when they show up to make sure that they did do it okay and so right now the only thing that's happening we're putting a tremendous pressure on staff to make sure that that window that's going to hit the roof it's going to work all those little details which always does fall on the building department, but at the end of the day, it really is the architects responsibility. So I'll leave it there and my only comment is that the problem with the berm, the landscape is fine. You have an experienced individual there, he's followed followed through and that's all I have to say. Miss Cruz, did you have any comments? I just have to agree with Mr. Bayanna. I think that frontal side, like it just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense visually and I'm not an architect by any means. So I would like for Lotus just to really make sure that it makes sense. I mean, I don't know how best to explain it, but Mr. Bayana did that ideally. Thank you. All right, I'm just going to go ahead and ask for a motion on this. I move to Nani. I second all hard. As opposed to deny, would anybody like to modify their motion to defer it? No, I don't want to defer it. My motion is to deny it and we have a second, so I'll go for discussion. All right. Let's open it up. Four members, and let me go ahead and say just because so that we understand the procedure of where it's going to go from here after a denial. This is still going to go to Lordis and I want to just put in your minds that we may be giving Lordis a bit of a harder task now because it's going to her and if it meets the code it's going to meet the code and it's not like the project cannot proceed but it is going to go to her with it with the idea that you guys recommended denial on this project and obviously your comments are part of the record and your suggestions are part of the record but you are going to give her a bit more difficult time figuring out at what point and with how much modification she should proceed with this project. So again deferrals and option. Denial, look, you guys are well within your rights to recommend denial. I just want to put in mind so that you understand what will happen as this move forward. This certainly, I want to make this clear. A denial does not force them to go back and start from scratch or to come and present a different project. It does not do that because this is only a recommendation. So I just want to put that in your mind so that you guys have the context of where this is going and how this will proceed. I get a word denial of not existing, reconnary here. It is not the fight you want. And that's the reason I was recommending that we should put an amendment to the motion to defer it because if you want the opportunity to have the conversation with the applicant by deferring it, they'll come back here. If you deny it, they do not come back here. And as the city attorney explained, they will just be putting this on staff. And, you know, staff will, you know, do what they know how to do with the experience they have. For the record, since the staff is carrying a big load here, for the record, I think you always hear me say the time that DRC is held and in this particular case it was April 25th at such time and this particular home I think it went back and forth with Stauva two or three times the Working drawings as far as inconsistencies and so forth is improved very, very little. That's why I was so amid in just to say, okay, what size overhangs we'd like to see because you know, then it's not just coming from staff, it's the board, you know, the house next door, homes of the style when they hear it from registered architects such as yourself. Obviously the working drawings, they're not gonna build a house hitting the roof. But when I look at it and that's what I see, obviously to me is not a well set of working drawings to be presented and move forward. But as far as them getting a good design architecturally, I don't see this house improving. And I think that's why sobriety feels, OK, denial, because it's so poorly designed. But anyway. And on the other hand, though, if it does meet the technical criteria It designed, but... And done. And done. On the other hand, though, if it does meet the technical criteria... And it does, exactly. Of the code. Yes. You know, as Mr. Subrata said, you know, this is not a board of architects where we, where this board can control what the aesthetics of the home look like. They are, you know, we are here to offer guidance, to offer, you know, what you believe that the, the house should incorporate it to make it better aligned with its neighboring properties. We have a very clear mandate of what this board's responsibilities are. And so I know it's hard to kind of keep that in check. It's hard to sometimes stay within those lines. And especially I'm sure for the creative minds here who much better than I understand what's going on with the designs and everything, but unfortunately we need to keep it there and just remember that this will not come back even as a denial and what this board really I think should be focusing on is giving staff clear indication of where to go with this as best we can and understanding that we are not going to be able to impose you know all the changes that we might want as long as it meets the code there really is no basis for not allowing this to move forward to a building permit so I do do urge you for all your doing. I'll bring it back. The deferral brings it back. I'd deferral would bring it back. I'd deferral would bring it back. That's correct. And so again, I would ask if the maker of the motion would accept the permit. Bring it back to make. What is the difference it's going to make? The thing is, there's the design changes. We might be able to make few, have them agree to some changes. But some of those things, Windows, I don't know what we're talking about, the roof, meeting on the roof. Those are mostly drafting issues or design issues. When it goes to construction, I don't know how that will resolve the building. But the issues that I'm thinking about, as you come in,'s the step the first step is right there Almost Hit your toe on that first step. It's that kind of issues You cannot go through that project and try to fix those things for them I point exactly I agree with you So right that's exactly what I say, but I've also been advised that to look at the inside of the house Which is very difficult because they outside of the inside, as you know, it's a holistic approach. So it's kind of like saying don't look at the landscape or don't look at the architecture where you don't landscape, I mean, you know, three routes have a three-ball, they're big, and you know, we don't see it. We know about it. Most people don't see it. So that's the kind of stuff that just doesn't make sense and it's very difficult for us to really make sense of a logical step to move forward. At the same time. What's the point? At the same time, I totally understand where you guys are coming from with that and at the same time just as it's not your job to design this house for them. It's also not you know this is also a risk of presentation of these drawings and getting something approved or submitting something that later is going to have a problem. If they have a problem that they cannot build, it's great that we identify these on the record and you guys certainly help a lot of projects avoid pitfalls later. But if they come up with something that all of a sudden they're looking and they go, well, we can't really build that. That's not anyone's fault, but the designer. And if that's the case, they have to take hold of it. This is, this is, they have to, and they may have to come back. This is very passionate for me. Let's stop right there over a moment. Okay. Then why do we have a design? Let's say for the moment, the house is so damn bad. We have a bad architect. We make our comments, it goes away, goes through staff, and now you've got an elevation that's being built on a neighborhood that is so damn ugly. Okay, they'll say, well, you left it to staff. And this is my point. So, what am I just gonna have aboard? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Mariano, let me, let me, let me kind of refocus that a little bit, you know, somebody's going to be paying for this house and somebody pulled an architect to design it this way. And as long as it meets code, again, we can inject our personal taste are kind of, they're not really up for question here, the subjective taste of the house. There are comments and the board's job is to work, to harmonize this and to point out where it can be, the harmony between this and the other properties can be improved, but it is not to make the aesthetic choices for the owner. And so as long as it meets code. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, that's not true. Because I got the code here. And the code says that we are responsible also to make sure that it's compatible with the neighborhood. That's what I mean. This is not The whole thing. And if we are still at a quasi-judicial board, we do have a certain amount of power to make sure that it's done correctly. So I'm with the Brown government. But it is a recommendation. It's a recommendation to stop our single family homes. Let's do that. There's a motion on the floor. There's a second. Let's vote it up and down and then go from there because this is I agree. I agree. So now I have a denial right now on the on a motion is that they're not. Now and I have to leave. I have to leave internments for the way. So let's go up and down and then if there's a different motion after that then we'll deal with that. So can we do that? Subrata, you've called the question so go ahead. Subrata, how do you vote? Yes. For the denial. Yes. It's a carat, how do you vote? Yes, for the denial. Mr. Ray, how do you vote? Yes, for the denial. Mr. Ray, how do you vote? Yes, for the denial. It's Cruz. How do you vote? Yes, for denial, I guess. And I vote no. All right. So it is denied and we will. Now hold on. Can we make a motion to defer? No. You had to amend that before. Fair enough. Fair enough. That's why I voted no. I think for all the confusion. I want to pry back. All right, moving on. Next item is Cabern. Next item is ERP. I'm sorry, DRB 2024-039, applicant Simone Tseida Dene, also the property owner, Simone Tseida Dene, four, La Teriel School, location 5960, Southwest 74th, 71st Street, and request is for exterior renovation. Mark is where I lost my okay. Yes, the architect is present here at the Chambers. So is the property owner. If you don't mind, please share in your screen. This is not a new construction home. It's in the Transit Supportive Development District. Again, the address 5, 9, 6, 0 Southwest. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't think there was sworn in. Yes, they were here at the chambers, and they were sworn in at the beginning. The very first time, yes. They're present. All four of them, the property owner, the office manager, the architect, and the general contractor is present and they were all sworn in. With that said, if you're all familiar with the school, we have an existing one-story building. Can you please put your rendering or your photograph? It says it. I'm screen sharing. I'm sorry. My computer says it. I'm screen sharing. Oh, okay. We're looking at it. You can see it. Okay, because I have something different. I don't see it. I don't see it. Previous property. Okay. I have something different in the monitor. I don't see it. I don't see it. I don't see it. Previous property. OK. You have boundary. I see boundary survey. So you see the survey for Latvian schools abroad? Yes. OK. Great. Then I'll proceed. I'm looking at something completely different in my monitor. It's probably because Mark has stepped out for a minute. OK. I'm shifting gears. I'm at a school. We have a one-story building, and the request is for an exterior renovation is actually what they call a sky terrace. I'm not sure if you all have the opportunity to read the vision, the letter of intent from the property owner. This project was also first introduced to staff back in October of 2023 so it's really been a year since I've was first introduced to this project. The one story building will have the sky roof terrace against the property line on that side, on that interior side, I should say. To get upstairs to the sky terrace, we will obviously have a set of stairs and also an elevator to get you up there. As you can see that is the rendering and I'm going to give you a little background along with staff's report. The approval that the applicant is requesting from the board is to construct again the sky terrace. It's basically a new open to the board is to construct again the Sky Terrace. It's basically a new open to the Sky Terrace to be built above the existing one-story building. The renovation includes a new pergular referred to us, the Sky Terrace consisting of new stairs and the elevator lift. The roof plan shows the location, as I said, is basically towards one side. Those rectangular pieces that you see on that new section where the terrace will be located are actually solar panels. They're not, I think it's mentioned, but just want to throw that out there. And then you see the barrel tile on that section that is to be to remain. Okay, obviously what we're looking at now is the existing roof plan on the top and the second one that proposed shows the framing for the location of the terrace. As far as a height for this district, it does not exceed the maximum amount of 100 and will be at 24 feet six inches. So obviously it meets the requirements of the transit support development districts. When reviewing the plans prepared by Brian with red spear design, it is a stab situation that the plans lack owners vision and concept. And the reason I'm saying that is because the rendering and the color elevations are not consistent. If you look at the rendering and you look at the elevations again, you're going to see inconsistent. Similar to us the previous application although there's two very different and separate projects. But SAV has been struggling to get you a settle plans that really represents that visual that I was, even myself was so excited about. And once you're here from the property owner, this school has been with us for 30 years and they really, and she'll probably want the opportunity. I really pray that you hear the passion coming from her, but it's something that she's really has her heart in. As far as staff, I feel that the plans like information, for example, as you can clearly see there, the ADA compliance for the whole entire scope of work. That was the first one. There is a ramp, as you can see, on the existing portion of the building, but then the elevator, there's no connection. I mean, the board always expresses a connection of a driveway leading to the front door of a home. So when I see a project like this, I think of the ADA. And again, but every stamp has had several tour three attempts on what every view is in the middle. Is it accurate? I mean, I finally got some setbacks, so we basically have that stair tie down as far as the location. But, you know, honestly, when you look at the elevations and it seems to be on a grid, these columns, but it really, it's not aligned. The plans are not consistent. So there's lack of coordination for the project. And those are the conditions in this report. I'm hoping that again, Mariano, I know by and as going to say, we're the walkway from the existing handicap parking space, how we're going to get to the lift. I mean, they do call it out as a wheelchair, even lift. The scope of work is on the upper left hand corner there. So the pergula is painted white on the top. The stairs are black. As far as the pergula, we don't know the size of the columns. They're drawn on the elevation, skinnier, thinner columns on the bottom, thicker columns on the top, but then again, the perilla has no size. So I've summarized that's conditions. I'm hoping that you can say, perhaps with this visual and this design colors is rainbow. I don't want to get into the passion behind the project, but I'm hoping with the landscaping and shrubs with colors and so forth, Coral, that's where your expertise come in. So staff's recommendation for the project is for approval with the following condition. Update a plans to be ADA compliant. Update and provide column size. Update, coordinate, and the material finishes. Update provide the film colors for the rainbow effect. We have these, again, the visual. These are supposed to represent the rainbow and so forth. But I don't see a rainbow. I see like one color after the other, and I don't even know what colors these are. Supposedly, there's, and I understand that there's a film. That's why condition number four mentions, updated, provide film colors for the rainbow effect. And last but not least, any comments and suggestions from the board? Miss, see, that me, if you would like to express your vision for the project before they start. Stayed your name for the record and thank you. Thank you. Good morning members of the board. Thank you for your time. This is, as mentioned, this is a pretty straightforward project. We are just proposing to- Can we get your name very quick? My name is Nathan Pritchett, I'm sorry. Thank you. We are proposing to utilize an area of the existing flat roof to convert it into usable space by constructing a terrace or deck area on top. We don't want to impact the existing flat roof with loading or drainage. So our intent is to build essentially a floating substructure that will transfer the load of this deck to the existing exterior structural walls and leaving the roof framing untouched. And obviously we would have to make sure that the walls can handle that additional load. But we felt it was best to do that from a construction point of view. A couple of points of clarification. There are existing skylights that are frosted that we will keep as light wells. And we do have a wheelchair left shown in the plan next to the stair. That would, I guess to my opinion provide or satisfy the AD requirement. In addition, we have been to address the issue with the color. We have been going back and forth. We do have a spec for a high performance vinyl film that would be applied to the clear railing or paneled railing that would provide the colors as shown in the rendering. So in this case the rendering is correct. So we absolutely can update our elevations to be consistent with what is shown here. And I don't remember the other comments but I'm happy to take any questions that the board may have. Okay, at this time we'll open it up to public comment. Is there anybody in chambers or online that would like to comment on this item? There's nobody in chambers. And seeing that online will close public comment. Let's go ahead and start with Mr. Abrada. So I'm still trying to understand exactly the scope of the project. So you're basically I'm looking at a sheet 8-2-2. Yes. So that is so you have a flat roof, existing flat roof on the back and so you're creating a stair going in front of the existing slope roof building and the bridge across and going into the flat roof area with a floating deck. Is that basically the scope? Yes. And then you're saying that there's a handicap or elevator on the back of the stair. So how do you access that? Is that a walkway or I mean, so those are the kinds of things that they were talking about. How do you get it? The entire existing yard or outside area is just like a exterior carpet. There's no, it's a play area for the kids. So we can obviously we can draw in, you know, defined walkway. But to my mind, the access wouldn't be an issue, but know there's no there's no objection to it say wheelchair surface accessible by wheelchair surface is that we're saying yes this is accessible by wheelchair yes okay and then when you go out there then it's what is the material on the floor and the what is the decking is that a composite decking. So we're digging and then you have a superstructure that goes over the decking and then he has solar panels. Correct. There's no solar panels so we have existing there existing skylights that you can see in the existing roof plan that we want to keep as light wells for the space the existing space below. So what we're going to do is basically on top of the existing roof build a substructure and then deck it with composite decking by but preserve those skylight locations as light wells and you know they would have a railing or you know some. and they would have a railing or some rectangular that you show. Those are decks, decking pattern. That's a decking pattern. The decking pattern is shown here, yes. Oh, so go back to the two by two. The dash two. Yeah, this is showing the purgola above the decking. Well, that's also there's a purgola above the decking. OK. So all right. Because I think, did Lordless mention in a staff eating some solar panel? Yeah, I think that was a, there's no solar panel. I meant to say, I meant to say, I, I, I, I, that was incorrect. I meant the, the skylights. I said solar panels, but I was referring to the skylights. Okay. The the ataris is open and the, the only issue that I had with the terrace itself is the size of the columns. I don't have that information. And also when you look at the building upon a structure, people take that out. So so is there an elevation of the how it's going to look as elevation? Okay, but I don't see the columns going to lot stuff. So here the sheet that you're showing A3 that has those colored panels you're saying that that's not that's not the way it's going to be? That correct. In this instance, this was an initial idea, but we since found a solution that was more pleasing for the client's vision. And so the rendering in this case is more consistent with what we're actually proposing. And we just need to update the elevation to provide, you know, show the colors in a way that's more consistent with what actually will be. It's like a uniform color, it's like a... No, it's not a uniform. It's a gradient type color that changes from pink to green. So it changes, that's how it's going to be installed. It doesn't change with light or time or anything like that. It's fixed, but it's gradient color. Correct. So is that the material? What is the material? Is that glass or something? Correct. It would be a safety glass or a plexiglass or something that obviously is rated for this application with a film applied. So it would be clear initially and then the film will provide the gradients. It's not a glass. It's not integral color. It's film applied. So it's going to be a temperature and all that is starts from a Because with the temperature and all that is starts to be off and all that stuff right so that our initial thought was doing an integral or Integrated colored Painz of glass but because of the Abuse it it would take from the elements we felt long-term from maintenance point of view It might be better to start off with a clear glass that would last longer. And then if the film degrades and the film could more easily be replaced or upgraded or whatever. And then what is the purpose of the deck? What happens there? Thank you. So the purpose of the deck is for the kids do have a play area on the ground floor. So this wouldn't serve as primarily as a play area. It would be for school functions. It may be that they might have supervised art classes up there. But it wouldn't be an area where kids are just kind of running around unsupervised, because that would present a safety issue. This is more for supervised, like, again, exterior class projects or, you know, class functions and so forth. The player will remain on the ground level in the playground. So, I mean, that is a pretty substantial amount of space there, so that could be a number of, you know, the number of students or kids could be there is quite significant. So I am assuming that there's a structural engineer who is going to look at that structure that you're talking about, the floating structure, which is the extension of the existing walls, which to me does sound slow, not very safe, but that's something that's structural engineering. Yeah, structural engineering, working on this. I assume. Absolutely, yes. And we do admit that there's going to be additional loading that we'll have to ensure the current existing walls can handle with obviously the dead loading and the live loading, but we felt that it was a better approach than adding that additional load to the roof framing itself, which in our opinion would be a more substantial project as far as upgrading or changing the roof framing in order to handle that type of loading. So that's, we understand that there's gonna be implications both ways, but we felt that this was the path of least resistance. But obviously, we have to, we are, we will engineer or are engineering this in order to ensure that whatever those dead and live load requirements are, that the existing walls can handle them or we would recommend whatever retrofit would be needed in order for them to handle the additional living. So I am, you know, the one concern that I have is that you have it, right now you have a simple deck. And then I can see a scope screen, screen, you know. Things can, people can start putting play equipment and other stuff, furniture and you said art projects and all that. So I can see other additional stuff that's going on there. So that's something that I think we need to look at, making sure that the deck is because it's an old one story building. Right, you put a lot of stuff on top of it and to make sure that all that is safe and secure but I think it's a good use of the space and I'm not sure if that glass thing kind of sort of matches with the rest of the architecture but when it's everything looks very colorful I think it's a nice potential project. Thank you. Okay, let's have Mr. Crow. Um, I guess I come from the old school. Because one of the things I need, you know, Sarata came, I hit it on the nose, what is the deck going to be used for? And so when you are providing or you're proposing this, I started looking at what's around the fix this entire site. Why, one of my main concerns is just as a question. Life safety. If there's a fire down below or somewhere in here, is there a secondary area for the kids to be able to get out? Currently from the roof deck currently no. Yeah, from the roof deck. No. So that's something to take into consideration from that aspect. So you're going to have to calculate for life safety in terms of this deck and the fire department is going to look at this. The only reason I say this is because my son and I have fired chief of drought and we talk about all this stuff. Okay. But so I'm going to stick to my landscape and I'll let Javier and Sibrata and Daniel, but I want to bring up the point. So how can you screen this? How can you provide? First of all, I mean, did you say that the handicap will be able to come across the backyard because you're providing an artificial turf? The artificial turf exists. Currently. Oh, I just say it's existing. Okay. currently, oh, it's the X-XXD, okay. So, what can we do to be able to soften this? Because in reality, when you look at it, it's very harsh. So I would like to see that you can come back because this is very, very important to the kids and to the owner. Anything that has to do with kids, I want to make sure that their lives are improved and the main thing is the safety. But we also have to look at it from the perspective of the community. This is a design problem and we look at many staircases that are designed around the world we'd like to say from that way that can really look beautiful, complementary and so forth. For me, so about the main look at it differently, I see a piece of metal going up to metal piece and a deck. That's the way I see it. From my perspective, I see those clouds. We need to do something that begins to soften that facade deal, whether we ask some strokes, a couple of trees or some people that affect something that can soften that area. So my recommendation is that that entire job zone and the, let's go over the columns out for the staircase that we do add something in terms of our strawberry. And since it is a school, wouldn't it be nice that you do something that the kids can learn about plants like a butterfly garden or native materials that it becomes part of the educational system? So it becomes something that is interesting. Why are we now going into a storm drainage system where it becomes a garden. So think to think about and that's the only thing is if we need to soften that staircase with some shelves on the knee maybe we have one tree that begins to give you some shade back there too. I don't know what else to say on this. I appreciate your comments. Thank you, bro. Vice-Giorena. Sorry. Thank you. Excuse me. If I could, can I speak? Hello. My name is Simonetta Kittadini. I am the owner and founder of Lateli School. Part of it. Wish you sworn in, I apologize. Yes, I was at the beginning. Yeah, sorry, thank you. They're here at the chambers. They're not on the zone. I understand. I just didn't know if she had been sworn in. Okay, thank you. Thank you. So first of all, I want to say thank you and how pleased I am to be here. I've been in the city since 1997 and I've been Through this department. I would say three times And following the whole process of the city. So we chose it. See the South Miami specifically for nature our school has I would say many many mango trees and we've done everything possible to keep them. Our project at Latalia for the children and for the community really is very strongly rooted in planetary awareness, and everything that we do at school has to do with community in mind. Not only our community of Latalia school, but the community around us. So the first scope of this project is to have a sky terrace. We call it the sky because it has no roof. So it is about a school that offers its play, its space for the community. Not so much for art classes because we're not an art school, but to have opportunity to have space. Space means availability to be on top, walks see the shadows, play with with with with the body, maybe with some balls. Obviously all of this is related to having a very safe environment with appropriate railings and everything that has to do with safety. The stairs in terms of how it blends with the environment, I think that the design maybe is not as accurate as we've had it in mind, meaning that it should be a translucent kind of colorful rainbow. That's what you mean by rainbow, which you see kind of the like or true, and that the transparency should bring in the aspect of nature meaning that our school is totally surrounded by all nature just like I see you in the image right here. And the idea is that the terrace, the stairs, kind of blend in with the environment around. We have vegetable gardens, orch or kids all kinds of beautiful plants that the children are very aware of and the parents as well and we have a very strong going green committee with the parents because we actually want to protect that and we know that for the city of Miami the trees and nature is extremely important. As we speak right now, parents are meeting to have a butterfly garden planted so that these presents can really be strongly committed. Which means that also the idea is that some designs of children that have become actually very important graphics and let's say books that are sold to, let's say, provoked others to think more about nature, could be part of some, let's say, the story of going up there in the sky, right? And how do we can see from above the beautiful foliage and trees that we see in the let's say in the neighborhood, but also from our schools. So if we see with the hotel that we have in front at the parking lot and the tree behind, we're kind of the green island right there. You know, our trees are totally covering all of the neighborhood, you know, the area around and we absolutely want to keep that. So one of the scopes of the sky terrace is also for children to be able to see the foliage from above and see how beautiful it is to have nature that surrounds us. So I just wanted to compliment on this idea totally and completely agree with you and in fact everything that we do that Latalia has to do, first of all, with the benefit of community and of planetary awareness. Which means also that we would like to open this opportunity that the school has as a private school to the community. This is our 30th anniversary next year, we turn 30 years old. And we envision offering this space also for the children of the neighborhood, not only our children, but the families that would like to come and see what we do with our Vetsch of Garden, how we promote education and how we really take care of our community and nature. So anything that these terrors can help, we would like to do that. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. We'll go ahead and move on to our vice-chair by any. Thank you. Good morning. We still have good morning. Good morning. How much longer? I really like the idea and the concept of the design. I really do, however, I do think is lacking a lot of information to make that happen. I have to be very honest with you guys because as you can see, you can see in the board, there are things I want to figure out so that we can help the clients and anybody in some way I've achieved their dreams and I was in front of your school the other day picking up food from around the corner and I saw the school I have kids you know that at some point would have gone there and and I notice all the magnitudes and everything that you have there I do think that there is a huge disconnect from the intent of what you're doing to what we are seeing as a presentation. It does lack a lot of information, but I also think that the design needs to be vetted so that the stare, not just there, the axis of the world is cohesive, with the geometry and everything there, it's sort of like place out there. And I think that you're gonna be, stairs are very taxing when it comes to its forefootage. And so you're binding into the middle of your playground, which if you start looking at the math, it's about 30% or more, or the ones you consider the landing and whatnot. And so it's kind of strange that the stairs just sits there. Mariana is correct. That is going to be looked at from a code standpoint as an assembly area, even though it's an outdoor area, it's going to be an assembly area. And I think you're going to be over 50 people there. Maybe you're not intending to put 50 kids there, but the way that the senior, the building department or the department will look at this is in a place of assembly. And if you decide to sell, you're building to somebody else, somebody will come in and bring and put in a place of assembly. And if you decide to sell, you're built into somebody else, somebody will come in and bring and put in a restaurant up there. And so they see the structures and the design that we do as something that will be readily available and code compliant for everybody. And the fact that it has only one point of access and one point of egress is going to be an issue as I mentioned in there is an unfortunate event or a buyer or something at the ground level. You have what is called a dead end and you only have one exit there. So I would love to design, you know, to be successful and see it happen, but I think it's lacking a lot of information. The elevator is also what is called, is not an elevator, that would be, or at least what is shown, it seems to be what is called the industrial lula. I believe it's limited use, limited access or limited camera for the wood. Yeah, it's a wheelchair lift. I wouldn't classify it as an elevator either myself. Yeah, but what that means is that it's really not accessible because those, that's why it's called limited use because it's only for certain uses as in like a residential unit or as an apartment. So this is open to public and if you have a person with a level of this capacity, I don't know what the right word is, or handicap, you are not allowing that person to get there. So that product by itself is not going to work. This is a public space. I know it's a private school, but it's a public space. or with a cane comes into the building, is not gonna be able to get up there. That's those applications are very limited in use. So you do have to consider a real elevator and that's gonna throw the design way to another room. So I like the concept, but I think there's a lot of information that hasn't been valid yet. And it's important because, you know, it's a great place, it's a great space and you'll be a great user of the area that you have available up there. But it also means that the rules of that existing building, and I believe you mentioned that it has to go and you keep in the structure. I'm not sure if that's the case, because I don't think that you could just place a deck above it. You know, an acupyvel terrace, it's also a roof, which means that it has to perform the waterproofing capabilities of a real roof without a deck. So how would you deal with that? I mean, you know, there's ways, but I don't think that you are really very need through. So it's just lacking a lot of information overall. I mean, we could talk about that, but we could also talk about the elevator, we could talk about the stair location, the stair configuration, the second point of the increase, there is a lot here to be looked at. And so that's my two sides. And I just add something to that, brother, that whole stair location it really something that just sticks out like a sword thumb and it takes up a lot of valuable real estate from that playground the middle of the you know open space you know the decking that I see to the side of the how existing house or existing building that doesn't seem to be that that much of a useful space. I would do a stair going the side of the side of the how side of the building go up to the deck instead of putting the stair right in the middle of the playground area so that's one thing that I would you know look at considering if the stair can go perpendicular to the dead. I don't actually disagree with that. In fact, our first stair location was there but we decided to move the stairs because there are two, actually on both sides of the, on either side of the end of the building there are two very large mango trees and we after collaboration with the landscape architect, we realized that there was no way that we could build the stairs in either of those side locations without having to infiltrate the tree protection zone which would then lead to having to remove the tree and then mitigation etc. So this was actually the current stair location was this current stair location was born out of a Result of that but I don't disagree with any of your thoughts otherwise So Sarah let's see if Miss Cruz has some comments, and I will try to land this. Miss Cruz. Yeah, I've actually been into the school a while back ago, and I always felt that they were in need of additional outdoor space. I've been out there with the kids playing. I think that if we could get this to meet all of its compliance, of course, safety first, and everything additionally, I would love to see it come to fruition because I do think it's going to add a lot of value to the students, their experience, and she's been at this for a long time in terms of her schooling, and if we can see this, have an outcome, I think it would be really great. schooling and it's completed. Mr. all this Is anything more trees I would I hope The way there if there are NFPA issues for egress right now and or ADA issues or all other stuff all other concerns that you guys have brought up those will be addressed at you know at the building permit stage and yes, does it have the potential to significantly affect this site plan? It does. And in that case, that will be on staff to say, are we still substantially in compliance with the site plan and with the intent of this board in approving this site plan or does the changes that need to be made to meet all other required codes and all other required life safety and everything require this it has those codes change this site plan so much that it needs to come back here to be seen again. That is the motion for for deferment the latter Alex the latter There's not enough information and and thereby when when when you come back and say by the way I need two stairs and a little later Never second to decide how they want to move forward I make a motion for the firm. Thank you. We have a motion in a second. Any further discussion? Well, I just, I mean, the only discussion I want to say is looking at a survey, it does not reflect what the site plan shows. That's right. So I think there are a lot of inconsistencies. You really need to come back with the architect mentioned or I think he's not mentioned mango trees on the side. I mean, I see a wood deck and there is a mango tree but you know I don't see why cannot have a stair going up the side of the building, either side of the building. The other side there's no wood mango trees. So those kind of things I think they need to look at a little bit more carefully and come back with their new revised site plan. Yeah I mean I'll just add to the discussion since we have discussion. I think everybody's intent is to see the space activated and for the school and the community to benefit from it. But, you know, we all do respect to the city attorney and others. I don't think this board is here just to rubber stamp things and then hope it all gets taken care of in the future. I think you know there's clearly some forced items here and some opportunity to improve this design to represent it. And so with that said, Mr. Shabrata, how do you vote? What are my voting on? We deferred. Yes. Mr. Kraub. Oh, absolutely. And remember, public safety for the kids. That's the most important thing. Yes, Mr. Crowe. Absolutely. And remember, public safety for the kids. That's the most important thing. Vice-Chirvina. Yes. Mr. Cruz. Yes. And I do about yes. We look forward to seeing your improved design so that we can move this through and activate that space for the children and the community in a safe manner. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Moving on to meeting minutes. In my computer is frozen. Do we have any conversation on the meeting minutes? Wait. Didn't they say we? We're going to approve. Okay. We have a motion to approve. To be honest, I can't. Sorry. We have a motion to second. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, the motion carries. Our next meeting is and my other computer froze. I don't see my agenda November 19 November 19 Tuesday November 19 Okay, very good is there's no new business we can go ahead and adjourn this meeting Thank you all. Thank you. Bye. Bye-bye. you you