I'm going to go to the next slide. You're who's at. Did. You just did. Travis, the transcripts that are not straddle the whole time. And is there any. Is there any for the point that you need to share with us? Not tonight on the fact that is. There's October 3rd. 7 p.m. This is historical commission meeting beginning a little much earlier than normal in the month but we just pushed back September's a bit. So a common trial plan so we're starting early this month and I'll turn over to Chair Enzlun. Thank you and it's 7 and 10. So I'm Ron, I had a lot of mature historical commission and why don't we just go around briefly, Jonathan? Jonathan Lawson, I'm a member. Todd Herman, member? And Alex, I'm a member of the public. Yes. So Alex, they're a colegist. And and potential member of the historical of the situation. Yes, so so we just we have a relatively brief agenda tonight. I wanted to make everybody aware that the Paul's Church Tourism website, is it Paul's Church is live. I encourage people to go back and look at it. Again, we did send comments to Sarah Swinton and Becky Whitzman from the Economic Development Office who have been working on this in conjunction with the Economic Development Authority members and they had a consultant assisting with it but the consultant contract, I guess, is done. And so it's now just the two staff members, and I'm not even sure if Sarah is full-time, Becky is. But if you go to the website now, they picked up on some of the things that we had pointed out, and that other groups like the Arts and Humanities Council had pointed out area of city events and how those get recorded, how they get promoted, that sort of thing. And some of them are official sanctioned and supported events going through the City of Falls Church. And others are events staged by nonprofits, in cooperation with various other entities and organizations. And they need to work on that calendar and how stuff gets put into it. Some of the historical information in the website has been obtained and fixed since we looked at it, including the panel texts from the history panels that are over at the intersection of South Washington Street and to Wood Avenue by Coleman Power Sport. And so those are there, although in a format that could stand to be improved, it was a link to what the city already had on its website. And then it's not interactive or anything like that. And then some of the other information they had more historical information comment because they still have to go back and fix a few of the things that we had pointed out and then other, they're getting other comments from other groups like the village preservation or program society in Tender Hill. So I think there were a little overfinal, like at the last, in the last stages of development of this. So any comments, any further comments, we did our discussion in August about this. What's. Look. Yeah. And it's up. And I guess the nice thing about it's up. HTML is you can always make changes. That's right. That's right. Yeah. I don't know what the. Do you know what the format is that they I don't know actually Regardless of what type whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it nice like which is yes, certainly should be able to so um So we're hopeful that's going to be a useful thing How much it attracts um, you know, visitation to the city that's not already happening, you know, or awareness by residents about things in the city that are going on is hard to say, but I guess I will tell about that. Second item on the agenda is Parklet naming. I love Parklet. Omelet Parklet. So Cameron, can you shed some white on the issue? Sure. We have due to some art performance that are given to us during COVID, economic development office worked with CPED's or playing D.B.W. to try to create three and rank on the parks, there are little lesson parks and parklets. Hang on, do we need formal fanage translation? We got ARPA, we got CPES. I'm sorry. That's all right. I also do not know what our best ads for entire. Yeah, but it's basically flood a slation that was intended to meet some of the economic issues during and after the pandemic, I mean. And it was specifically the economy that may have been heard by pandemic. And the language specifically wanted to parklets or park spaces that would house places for people to eat outside. That was one specific thing for housing restaurants. So that's a stipulation of using the money. And see if that's the plan. I can recommend development office acronym for the city here. So it's been kind of down surrounds internally a lot, but now it's laying into, we have people have some designs, they're starting to, at least for two of them, fill the parklets. One is on South Maple and Endale, it's a tiny triad park on the corner there. One is right next to Cavalier Trail Park entrance, the left of it. It's kind of a little more wooded area. And the third one is technically down the other current. Tennis courts and the creative call room. Yeah, that into the end across the street from victory comments. It's actually an informal path that these parallels and trips run that I haven't been there before, right? Yeah, it's a complex path. I don't know who upkeeps it really, but someone must have said he must have. There has been some maintenance there. And they're also put rank, garden nearby. And the third one is an alley that was a newly-briaked alley, but it's empty next to, I'm blanking on the guy's name, but the eye doctor and the other ones, I want to say, I want to put a restaurant is. But it's a kind of smack dab across from the transit plaza. And it's probably like a two-and-pea-foot alley that is right now as a blank canvas to make how we want. So yeah, next to Fox's music, thank you. Thank you, Laura. So we have these three parks coming online and conjunction with we just adopted or tried to designate the Terrell cultural, historic cultural district. Technically, I think only the alley is within the boundaries, but they all basically touch. It's all basically in that area. And then thirdly, it's in city code within the realm of the Stork Gold Commission to give recommendations to a playing commission, and addition, Rex and Park, and Arts team and he's also gets away in as well. But the store commission has a unique angle of looking at potential names with relevant history of the area that could be assigned to name the parks, the parklets. In this case, the obvious is Tenerhill area in all the history that's gone on there. But we have three parklets. So we have opportunities to kind of venture out. And it's something that's not, it has not been formally requested of the Storal Commission yet. I'm getting ahead of it to put it on the radar. But I think that this 21st of this month, I think it's going to get brought up to the plank commission and then from there, I think to look, expect something to be sent out to us for a formal request. But I just want to put everyone's radar now ahead of time. Two questions. First, do you have a map that you might be able to throw up? I possibly do. Well, I can put it over back in. 10 or 10 map. Yeah. And the second question is, whether any of these proposals is connected with either the Quinn property development or any other development in that area. I mean, it's essentially the Quinn redevelopment of their property, if the building's that exists there. Sorry, I'm going to have time for the last question. What about the Quinn the Quinn development project. If any of the parklets like the the alley yeah is connected with that with that development so that it wins would have a voluntary possession or something connected with their development. That's part of this. Lowering is big on the bear that I can, but as far as I know, it does not officially connect to the property or project, so I don't believe it's anything was that. There's no VC right now. Yeah, sorry, there's no VC right now that speaks to the connection of the alleyway there. I know they are creating a pathway for that connection. Just so there's continuity and pedestrian continuity. But there's no VC that speaks to like the naming of that. The Quinn was focused more on the naming of the park on the other side of the property near the rolling road. Yes. Area, but did not speak to this parklet near Fox's music. Right. Right. Yeah. So Rolling Road is a fourth of fourth area and it's and it's not part of this discussion at the moment. That's my understanding. Rolling road, the rolling road is on its own track. And when we talk about the rolling road, that's the road, the old tobacco rolling road, that went through that area and passed the falls church and passed and and along the parallel to Hill, so it would have you through what used to be the falls church high school and when you're school site. So I think we have and behind the old red lobster but that I'm really dating myself with that. I really love to drink. All right, so for the South Maple Park, we have, if you can see in the map, this location, right park entrance is right to the right of this outtrip of a drum. This is the left. Right. It looks something like that right now. So trips, yeah, you can see the bridge or culvert with the trips run. And this is not the, it's not, it's not looks like a little more like this. Yeah. The final is not up here. So that's the South Maple one for the Triopark, Chlorine Quote. That's not giving a location of it, but it's... Is that the intersection of Anandale and... And South Washington, yes. Looks like that right now. That was a location that way back when the Historical Commission tried to interest the city in putting a visitor contact station in there. And we had a building briefly that could have gone in, but there were issues about maintenance about, all of those things. It was the old small wood doctors office that did in 1913 that was moved from their property on Lincoln Avenue, sat in a property yard for a number of years and that was when Dr. Small was property was redeveloped with new housing and so on. So it's back over there. Anyway, these things go on for some years and come back around in some other form. Unlike the other two, this one actually is a park because it has two benches and a trash can, but you know, it could definitely use a facelift. There used to be a lot of empty one balls in this park. And the last but not least, this one right now actually has like a the most design aspects to it, the ideas, so this is a so-called family. This is the right. I find it. Yeah. So that's it's. It's a purple. The purple is the eye is the eye doctor. Yeah. Does that just go the whole way through to people back there? Well, it does. It stops right there as a parking and it's parking love. So it is, it's a roof, but unfortunately inside the alley, it's not fully through. At least at this stage, you know, just in the future, maybe something will happen. But they have a nice design. They love to see these narrow homes. They love these stage. This one is Jane a lot of love on it. And it would be a very cool urban parkway. Anyway, so it's within the inner bill, yes, it's historic and cultural discrepancy boundary. Yeah, whereas the others, yeah, they're actually close. Actually, how we might be. I did the boundary. I was going to ask what the name of the park was on the other side of the run there, but it's kept as it's Cavalier. For a little bit more. I. I got there was. Yeah, you know, back and over. Over the tricks were on the cross some regions, so forth. Laying stuff to Westmore. This is a map falls up quickly. Third. So. Yeah. So it's just down the side. This one's right there. It's on the edge. And it's the other one is right there. Right. Yeah. I say it counts. Yeah. Yeah. I say it counts. But that's, that's, that's, well, the association. That's, anyway. Well, I hope that, um, at Henderson would be here for this discussion. And he's aware that this is in the works. And I think he has some ideas about appropriate people to honor. So does anybody else want to comment or? No comments at this point, but I think that's a great idea to see what it has to say about, you know, no, no, it is no, it could be, you know, right elevated and respect in the honor of this and so Ed had told me since this is an informal discussion. That he thought Eliza Hendricks to be a good person to to honor his own way. She had a business not too far from here, just up South Washington Street. She was a part of the whole Titter Hill development and the civil rights efforts and so on there. So that was one and it also mentioned Fred foot and Fred foot is going to be recognized with one of the portraits that's gonna be put created and put into the City Council chang chambers. He was, there were actually two-foot, Frederick Senior and Frederick Junior, and Frederick Senior owned all of much of what is now seven-quarters. And that property wound up being sold later on by the family for development. And his son, Frederick's foot, Jr. became a town sergeant and a city council member, the first African American city council member. And that's why he's going up on the wall in the city council chamber. But if it were named, you know, Frederick, but part, it recovered both of the theory. So that was, that was another idea. On the third person that I felt might be worth recognizing was Colonel John Crocker. John Crocker, John Simpson Crocker, is like he was a Simpson grant, was a union officer who became a DC official after the Civil War owned property along the Arlington Falls Church, Fairfax County line and made available a bunch of this property to African Americans at fair prices and there were some of the some of the property owners in those areas that had been recognized through civil war trails signs and so on. Georgia Harriet Royce, Harriet Flip Turner, who benefited from propertiesctor's properties. And I believe that we would have to check on this. He was also involved in the creation of one of the freedom's villages. And I don't think that actually involves church. I think it's technically a part of the late. So anyway, if there was something connected with John Focker, who was Caucasian, not American. We don't have my people to choose. So those are a few ideas. I'm sure there are lots of other worthy individuals who have not been recognized in this way. And since we don't have a formal request at this point, people are pounded dry and see what the odds are. Away in any other thoughts. You can see some of the names connected with Tinter Hill. And where the Harriet put Turner land is. And I've got the part of the GM Pockins map from 1878. If anybody wants to work that in, you can see here at Turner's Land and George Bryce's plan and it's over near the gallbladder that the church. Oh, 90 signs of check. That's right in here. So you can pass that, pass that, Alex, maybe we're doing this other, other goals. No comments. So I think that's would be a good item to kind of nail down by the net. The juxtaposition with the next meeting. Whatever that might be. Yeah, I have some ideas ready to go for when the people tell me exactly. And I do have some kind of little have that will have some different ideas about that. And, you know, we should be prepared to do to basically just talk and that's what by that. So some some information about who we're talking about why they would be important to recognize. Now, the city may decide that they want something else. I don't know. That's not, that's not a name. But we should. In planning commission is going to get input from some other sources like. Great. The issue in the parks. Yeah. Last time we did as I was a surprise part. I believe it was. Historical commissions. I believe it was historical commissions recommendation to that they went forward with. And I'm not sure about that. I think I think I think somebody that already decided. But I mean, I think we I think we did some points say it should be connected with the Browns and they didn't want to rectus specify either the founder of Brown's hardware or the 1990 plus-year- old present at that time, Mr. Ram. So calling Mr. Brown's car was a good way to do that. We covered all the entire Brown family, at least the male smile. And yeah, I need to do that with the first part or something like that. Yeah, right. First part. Okay. All right. And then, so I think we'll leave that for now, camera. And let's go to the 250 celebration. And Laura, would you like to say a few words about, about the opportunity. I have something else about 250 as well, but if you can talk about the grant application, that would be great. Sure. So I'm Laura Arsino. I'm a principal planner and CPEDS. I have a historic preservation degree from the University of Mary Washington. So I have a little bit of background and I worked in Fairfax County for 12 years and and did four years in their preservation department. So it's not random then I'm here. I have a vested interest in preservation and history. But so I was working with Holly and Ron on another project for the Virginia 250 grant and that ended up not working out. But this project came up, worked with Holly or win with the Cherry Hill House and we decided to move forward with proposing a grant for the HVAC and the Roof Replacement. We got proof, proof for the grant, and we had about five weeks, I believe it was, to apply for the grant. It's due October 18th, and so we are furiously working away. And I am the, I think the default project manager to get this grant ends. So yeah, lucky me. So, um, and there's been a couple people that have been out for various reasons and it's nobody's fault. But, um, so I've been kind of reaching out to different people and thank you Ron for putting me in touch with a couple people from Cherry Hill. And things like that. But so the grant is for the state is I think it's 20 or 22 million dollars for historic preservation rehabilitation projects between now and 2026. And the pre-application, the pre-approved applications for up to 220 million. So it's a very competitive grant. Our grant would only be for about $300,000. So we're hoping that we have a pretty good shot with a pretty small grant and limited in scope with the HVAC and the roof that we might be pretty successful. The city we hope is going to put up a third of the grant with about 97,000 and then VDHR would match that grant with two thirds at about 210. So we'd end up with about $300,000. We have working with the capital improvement staff and budget and finance, working all the way up to the city manager to make sure we have all that funding in the kitty in the bank and making sure we have everybody on board with that. So kind of reaching out to Ron and to you all tonight to get a letter and support for that grant so we can work forward and move forward with it. And now we have a slew of letters from historic society, historic societies and others that want to be supportive. We can only have a slew of letters from historic society, historic societies and others that want to be supportive. We can only have a max of three letters. So Ron, somebody mentioned today during our kind of meeting on this is if we have the History Commission write the letter, but then have other groups support it with support of VPS and Victorian society or something like that so that we could show that other groups were supportive of it. I don't know if we can do that but something that showed other groups were supportive of it as well not just historical commission but just something to consider moving forward also, I don't know if I said the 14th, but the new date is the 18th for the deadline. So we have four more days, which doesn't help you, Ron or me, because I think we're both going to be out of town. But to that end, we have a little bit more time and Holly, Holly will be taking over or kind of transitioning the project next week. So I'll be handing it off to her and she's going to be submitting. But we have a good plan moving forward. And are there any questions for me or for the grant or any questions about the grant? Yes, are there any questions? No, it sounds pretty straightforward to me and I agree. I think you're shooting on the right space for success Boys the current status of both of those Does it have H back is that a new thing to add it to the So It's interesting I kind of came about and Ron knows about that. I don't know if Ron you till the historical commission about this and and Cameron was part of this too We We as a group the role we did an energy audit on the Cherry Hill House kind of as a way to promote the city's energy action plan and to demonstrate kind of reasonable measures for people to be able to put weather stripping on their house and to change the light balls in their house to become more energy efficient. We thought, why better what better way to do than to do a building that we own and an older house at that. So that's you know very simple and cheap ways to do that. So when we did this. But the energy audit showed a couple different things that came out of that. One was that HVAC probably need to be replaced. That there's a couple of things that need to happen. And then in addition to this energy audit, they've been in plans for a couple of years now that the foundation of Cherry Hill House is sagging. There's cracks in the walls that they're actually measuring how the cracks are moving and separating. They have these little ruler things that are so they're tracking it. And the foundation's much more expensive and much more in detail than we could get in with the timing of the grant. So they already had money kind of put aside in this in the capital improvement plan, which I didn't know. So that when we said to them, do you have money set aside for Cherry Hill? They said, why yes we do. So they kind of worked out pretty well that we have this money. We didn't have time for the foundation this time, but we're hoping that with this grant and this match, we're gonna be able to get the roof and the HVAC and then we would work on the foundation at the next round, hopefully. And the roof light is probably, it's probably nearing the end of the useful life at this point. I don't know what the date on the current group is. That's a good question. I don't know the answer either. No, that's OK. That's a good question. I don't know the answer either. Other questions or comments? Alex, not like I think. Thank you very much, Laura. I do believe that it would be useful to the application if there were nonprofit, there was nonprofit then for it, not just a city appointed board, which might be seen by the recipients as, you know, kind of a political, political theme. We don't think it is, but that appearance maybe there. So if there was a way to get in quick from Diffus or the Friends of Jerry Hill or some of the other groups, I think that would be good. I'm not sure about the potential for Victorian society, but certainly, Memphis would be a logical, logical group to awaken. Okay. Okay. And I can talk with Holly about that. Okay. So we can, we can, she knows some of those players to the arts and the humanities. We definitely, um, I was just thinking about timing. And if I needed three letters very quickly, it was going to be history commission, seepads and counsel because I can get those quickly. But if we can get one from VPIS and the friends at Cherry Hill, that'd be great. Um, and if it seems like you have those connections and Holly has those connections. And I whipped up that template letter and made me a couple hours, so hopefully, that it at least got the juices flowing for people. And then they can adapt it to what they need. And then it was very helpful. And I whipped up my response about happen hours. Good. Okay. Great. It was a good, good place to start. Okay. Thank you very much. And we can talk about this letter and and see if we want to, you know, finalize something. And then we can discuss the timing and whether we want to share with some of those other groups before you know submitting something before. Okay that sounds great and just Ron and camera and just make sure you forward it to Holly and myself just make sure because I don't know if the handoffs gonna be. I'm sure that it's going to everybody needs to see it. And quite frankly, I may also send it to the city manager. Sounds good. You know, a sort of work with them. The work is so. Sounds good. So we're going to move that. Anyway, it's time to agree with you time tonight. No problem. No problem. Happy to be here. Thank you, everybody. Have a good night. So you have a draft, but I just take a look at it. If anybody wants to work through it, what I was going to say about the, I didn't want her to have to spend too much previous 45 minutes. But the so-called energy audit was an interesting project that came about out of the environmental sustainability council. And council, committee. Whatever it is, the information, yeah. To show how you could conserve energy and improve the performance of your residents in Falls Church. And I kept, and I was invited to participate in that. And Laura was there, and Holly was involved as well. And I kept saying that that's not a residence. Cherry Hill is a different, edible fish. So you can say it's used periodically and it's not occupied all the time and just has a totally different output, you know, as far as heating and cooling and all that kind of thing. It aid used for special events and for weddings and things like weddings or other things that happen that use a lot of the kitchen appliances and kitchen time and so on at the lights burning. That's where it's like having a party in your house often. And that's where it's like having a party in your house often. And that's where the energy gets issues. But the other thing, and I tried to point this out in the strap letter, is that it has it at the store collection. And improving the environmental conditions in the house really had preserved the historic collection that's there. Exactly how we're not talking about constant temperatures temperatures and like that. But today, away from major changes in, you know, retrofitted without making significant structural modifications to a historic structure. That's the other. Yeah. But we were looking at insulating, you know, various insulation. They started talking about double-paint windows and we were do it. There are original windows in that house. Yeah. From the 1840s. So anyway, I think it's a good project. I'm not sure what their chances are of getting the grant. OK. And it's actually a fair amount of money for this kind of thing. I know what it was saying. It's relatively cheap, but you know, there's a lot of competition statewide for all of us. So anything we could help with to show that there is support in, and it's meeting a number of public use needs. I know the city was talking about and answering in pruning or increasing visitation of the house. And I don't think that's the need. This thing's more rooted in just stabilizing. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And supporting a variety of uses including the education uses, you know, if you have kids in there during the summer. What kind of ruthless, on the structural level would that be? I think it's saying, well, there was originally a standing ten-root, but I think it's been with itself since then. I am not sure what the, no, we can stand to have the book out. The only ask, do you have a form, just bear it in. So if we have an option to support the proposal and maybe to give me the flexibility to fill the language the same time. Well, I would like to put that motion out there. I second. Thank you. Getting further discussion. We just are here. And things skills. Change or? No, I think they're not referential to your graph. I mean, you only like I said the only that's why I was where I was glad with my initial question was whether or not we were going to be messing with the integrity of what structure to like add. Right. At the new AC system. we see some of that. And I put it there that meets the secretaries standards, which is as much for the city, and want to make sure the city understands it. And the Virginia Department of Historical Resources will want that kind of assurance. So, yeah. Anything is the right thing. Yeah, and then the only I guess. Let's get into the national red. Right. And that I guess it's the only part of this would be whether or not there is some angle to saying we're going to do a secret roof that, you know, it's a pretty good reactor, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. I have to talk to Holly and the friends of Cherry Hill, like colleagues at the Friends of Cherry Hill, to find out for them through. But I think that's a good thing to do. So all in favor? Hi. Hi. Thank you. Thank you. Good to work. So was this chosen for that demonstration project just because it was the closest thing to a single- house at the city on to use for the other house. Well, it's a group house, but then the other house that is owned by the city which is used for offices and for the house. Which has its own issues. So they could do the... That's a early 20th century class. So that's a do the energy efficiency using only 1860s? Right, right, there we go. Oh, let's not stop at 1860s. Let's go back to 1840s. Maybe I'll just go horse hair. Horse hair into inserts or something like that. We have two horse hair so close. And you you Jeff, but. Okay, I, I do not have anything else. For all for the agenda. So, but I did want to just mention that I am getting close to stepping down from the historical commission. I have served on this thing for 30 years. and I'm a little tired. I'm in a little tired. Plus, if Alex is named the disturbance commission, he will thank my slot. Oh, not so. Not my personal. No, I mean, you know, I mean, it's time. It's time. So I, I had let, you know, that, maybe that's why it's not here tonight. And, and, you know, and we'll see you will go sort of once a month and see how that goes. I have told the city clerk and our council, we is on their death that I'd be willing to kind of stick around for a while, informal, and you know, even as an advisor or a kibbutzer or whatever. Chair, chair of that area, if that's useful, you know, if you know, if the that stuff that would be a good thing and I'd be happy to talk about, you know, some of the little funny things that I learned about the history of false church and it's historic historic structures and then sites and so on over the course of that very good. So that's it for me. Anything else? I don't have anything else. You order. Hopefully Steve will be back next time and you've got a recording of this so maybe we can come up with some minutes. I think I have to work with Steve on the last minutes. Yeah. We'll try to get those. When is the next schedule meeting? Well calendar. Technically this was a time meeting. Well, technically this was a term meeting. So we could well, it was this, yeah, it was this September being so it would be the 2024. I would be out of about 24. So it's 1931. I can't do this. So it could be the 31st. It would have to be Halloween. Okay. Well, we'll talk. We'll see what people's counters and. It was Halloween. I'm not sure because the thing is, you know, but the street I love on the heated off. So I can't really going around Halloween. So. There's near the holiday. Well typically have branched over on the fun homies. And November the several is tricky when I lay several I have to glide. I mean we already have issues with November because it's nice to usually you can do it a week or two before. Right. In fact, okay. So we'll talk. Camera tonight will talk about possibilities. You know what? His schedule is going to be. I don't know if I hear or out. Mm-hmm. That could take a year week. I'm taking my lead. I got a back. Yeah. Okay. You're not always skiing again? Got it. I want to even out my knees. I'll ruin the other one too. Right. Yeah. There are certain points back on the crunches. I'm going to say after that. After certain points, the game is the best avoided. Yeah. Yeah. You made it down the mountain. I'm going to see did you just stop there? Okay. Thank you all. Thanks.