Thank you. This morning we will start out with our traditional agenda review. But before that, Ms. Downs has a couple of announcements she would like to make. Thank you, sir. Good morning. At first I wanted to introduce Chris Butler. He accepted a position as the Assistant County Administrator on my County Administration team. So we're four weeks in I think to date and we're glad to have him. Not bad so far. Yeah. Next I'd like to take a moment to introduce Bobby Kerns. Bobby Kerns has accepted the director of environmental services position and Bobby has been with our team for two years and previously to that he We a long standing career with Fairfax County. So welcome Bobby. Welcome. Welcome. All right. Thank you. Okay. We're off to agenda review. Several work sessions today. We do have a work session update on the all points broadband at 1115. At 1130 we have a closed meeting as authorized by Virginia Code Section 2.2, 3711. For consultation with legal counsel employed or retained by the county regarding specific legal matters requiring the provision of legal advice by such council and is authorized by the Virginia Code. Anybody want to say anything on that? All right. At noon we have our lunch on Hotel Street, the second floor, And then we come back here for a 130 work session to receive updates from the Falkier County's Water and Sanitation Authority. At 230, we have our last work session, which is a work session to receive updates from Dominion Energy on projects that impact Falkier County. And then we go in into this evening's agenda. And this evening on the consent agenda after citizens time, we have approval of the minutes followed by a proclamation, several proclamations. First is proclamation to declare the week of May 6th through 7th as National Nurses Week. The second one is a proclamation to declare the week of May 4th through 10th as National Correctional Officers Week. Then we have one for proclamation to declare the week of May 11th for the 17th as National Police Week. And we have a fourth that is a proclamation to designate the week of May 18th through the 24th as Emergency Medical Services Week. And the last proclamation that will give this evening will be a proclamation to declare the month of May 2025 as National Order Americans month and this will be mailed. This will not be presented in person. Item G this evening on the consent agenda is a resolution to authorize the county administrator to award a contract for construction of phase two of the Faulkier Central Sports Complex. I'm from sports complex. All right. Any questions? Yes. I do have one. Kristen. Can you confirm where this fell with regards to what was budget for this phase of the project? Can you confirm or tell us with the, with this is an on budget, over budget, under budget, where are we out of that? I can speak to that, Mr. Professor Washer. The total of the project, including contingency, is around $6.5 million. $5.3 million has already been sourced through the FY25 adopted capital improvement program, mixture of debt funding and cash funding. So there is a recommendation by staff today to transfer the balance of those funds via capital reserve. We also plan to discuss in future meetings with the board some other options of funding some of that through an additional debt tranche so we can then transfer that cash back to capital reserve should the board desire to do that. Some of that funding is the 10% contingency, which should we not need to utilize that contingency at the conclusion of the project, we would also be transferring that back to capital reserve. Mr. Ropecki also has identified funding through his FY 26 appropriation in his asset replacement that he could transfer to offset the fund. The importance of the amendment today would be so that we can go under contract with the vendor so that they can proceed as we need to have that identified source today. But we do plan to have some other options for the board that would mitigate the cost increases. Thank you thank you. Any other questions? You good with that on the consent? Um, leave it for now. Okay. All right, next up is a resolution to authorize the county administrator of execute access forms required by the US Army Corps of Engineers for site inspections, wetlands, determinations, and regulatory requirements. Good morning, Mr. Chairman. Good morning. Thank you. This is for the Laurel Ridge Community College Connector Trail. Timid's group is the A&E firm and they did the TOFO survey for the site. They identified some wetlands there, so the resolution allows the county to get the administrator to sign the documents that allows the Army of Corps engineers to come on site and identify the wetland and make that determination. We're probably going to slide the trail over. But this is all part of the B.Dot requirement grant for that project. Got it. Any questions? OK. Thanks. Thanks, Mayor. Next is a resolution authorizing Foxy County to enter into an Intergovernmental Inter Agency Agreement with the Virginia Department of Emergency Management for Mutual Aid. Good morning. So this is a standard two-year agreement we have with the state of Virginia. In case we have it this afternoon, we need resources, equipment, material. It basically says that it streams like that process. And we request something we exhaust our resources at the low hole in our neighboring jurisdictions. We need state assistance. We're going to reach out to them. Any costs associated with those services, equipment, personnel, whatever that happens to be, is covered by this. It just says that we're going to pay for them as needed. And also helps us with the emergency management assistance compact, which is a statewide mutual aid agreement that we could have within the other state for equipment or resources that we need. But pretty much this stream sign this and it's like it says about it every two years. We'll redo this so agreement. Great. Any questions? Thank you. Thanks. Next is a resolution directing the county attorney to seek correction of erroneous real estate tax assessments pursuant to code of Virginia 58-1, excuse me, 58.1-3984d. Good morning, this request comes on behalf of the treasurer. While working on some delinquent real estate tax accounts, we discovered that there are approximately 30 properties here in the county that have obvious assessment problems, obvious errors with their assessments. We've worked with the commissioner. He's corrected those administratively to the extent that he can. The earlier years that are still taxed the link went need to be corrected. The way that that's done is by filing a petition with the circuit court. So this resolution authorizes the county attorney to work with the commissioner to file that petition to get those corrections made. There will be no revenue impact to the county on this because all of these properties have delinquent taxes. it would be correcting the length of balance. No refunds would be due. I have to answer any questions. Any questions from America? Just curiosity steak. Overtax or undertax or make sure of all the above? Over. Got it. Yeah, they don't come back. I didn't think so. Thank you. Thank you, MC. Thank you, I'm seeing. All right, next is a resolution to designate agents for subdivision ordinance administration and appoint zoning administrators. Good morning. Thank you. We've had a change in staff at the zoning administrator level with the promotion of Stephanie Miller. So adoption of this resolution would designate her as a subdivision agent and zoning administrator. Happy to answer any questions. Any questions? Thank you, Holly. Next is resolution directing the county administrator to schedule a public hearing to consider a tax exemption request for old dominion land conservancy incorporated. Good morning. Old dominion land conserv is a 501-C3 organization that works to protect and get our land and natural resources as well as work with the public to actually educate them on the reason that we need to do conservation easements. Any questions for Eric? Just a question on this specific request. It looked, when I glance at the materials, it looked like it's actually lots in a subdivision. Is that so they, I don't, I guess there's multiple parcels, but they're conserving all of them as one. Okay. Abandoning, will they abandon the lot lines, abandon, look because there's a recorded road easement in there as well. Well, it's under an easement. So I believe once you go into those easements, you're not allowed to develop it, right? That's what easement says. Correct. So that would be up for you guys. But that would be the intent is to not develop the land at all. Okay. What is it used for? Is it just wilderness completely? The land itself, it's basically the top of a mountain. So it's woods on a mountain and they just don't want it developed because there was some houses and they bought the land up around it. It's very close to the Virginia Commonwealth, a partial that they own up there so they just don't want it developed. There are many of these parcels in Loudon County. This is the first venture they've had with us. That's all. And help me understand the difference in from a tax perspective, from a code perspective, they have whatever this adds up to, 100 acres or something like that, right? And they're going to place in their easement and it'll be a wilderness, open space easement and they're going to place under easement and it'll be a wilderness open space easement. And they're asking for complete tax exemption wherein other if it was a privately owned parcel and was placed under an open space easement it would be subject to tax still. So and in fact based on we've had, I know that if it's not production agriculture, that valuation is going to be likely raised at some point. Could be. Yes. Could be. So, why do nonprofits get to not pay tax versus homeowners have to pay tax? It's in the state code, and that's actually why it's here before you. I just verify that they qualify and then you guys determine back in. I think it was 93. The state decided to take away their ability to have to deal with all this and give it solely to you. That was so nice of them. You get to designate it versus classified prior to that year. It was classified by the state. It was in code And that was what you had to deal with now. It's your option. So It's solely at the discretion of the board if they want to do it or not and so what we'll be determining is whether or not We want to allow this to happen and we have the right to say no sure that this so this type of process when someone with tax exemption now, it's through the designation of the board. You guys can designate them to be a tax exempt entity like they have in Loudoun County. If you choose not to do that, they'll still pay their taxes. Here we have. There's a underwriting for the government to put the tax in the back. I'm going to ask you to do a quick way to whether or not you have any of those requirements of the requirement of public access and public enjoyment. Would all building rights be expunged or is that up to us to figure out when they entered into a conservation, isn't it? That was done with the easement. This is, I can only speak to the exempts that, or not. Yeah, okay. Okay. You know, I'd like to just request this to be taken out of the consent agenda. And let's look at it individually. We can, we can have clear conversations about what are the same qualities of our own. I just think it's great. I just, I don't know how you feel about it. Yeah, I think. I just think that trying to understand and make sure that this is a unique situation, not all of a sudden, someone can find a loophole, put something in a nonprofit, and then all of a sudden everyone's going to stay taxing more because of whatever, so it's done correctly. done correctly and it's not something that we're going to be having to visit every month on different scenarios. But yeah, I've moved state law and I've talked about it. Yeah, but I mean from my perspective, I think it's pretty clear what's going on and I'm not sure that I support it. So unless there are extending circumstances and benefits that I'm not aware of yet. Let's just pull this out to consent agenda and you know maybe even will decide later on the table or the next meeting but there's no deadline on this is there Nope. Well December. So for now we're na if you pull this one. Thank you. Perfect. Thank you. All right. Next up is a resolution of men in fiscal year 2025 adopted budgets. Good morning. This resolution amends the FY 25 adopted budget by $3.9 million by appropriating $100,000 from the Virginia Department of Forestry and transferring $1.2 million from the county's capital reserve, both in support of the Central Sports Complex Phase 2 project. Additionally, staff recommends an appropriation of $2.6 million from general fund interest earnings to the health insurance fund in support of projected claim expenditures this fiscal year. These interest earnings are one-time dollars made available because of the market this fiscal year and our treasurer's investment portfolio. I'd be happy to answer any questions. Any questions, Mr. Miller? Next is a resolution to authorize the County Administrator to schedule a public hearing to consider the amendment of ambulance billing fees. Yes, sir. This item and the next item. Oh, are in support of the ambulance billing function and updates for the county. These items authorize the County Administrator to create a public hearing for both ordinance and rate updates. The ordinance is an update to establish the administration of our basic and advanced life support, mileage, supply, and oxygen fees. The amendment to ambulance billing fees updates these rates to above the Medicare rate structure in our region. It is recommended that we review these fees annually due to the rising cost of ambulances in the county to include the quality of services our fire rescue system provides. There is no impact to fall care residents as billing is sent first to insurance companies, Medicare or Medicaid. Only residents outside of fall care would receive the balance billing on those fees. I'd be happy to answer any questions. Any questions? All right. Next up is a authorize county administrator to execute an employment agreement renewal with Dr. Michael Jenks and an operational medical director for the fire rescue system. Thank you. One of Mr. Chair and members of Board, this is an employment agreement we have with Michael Jinks, our operational medical director, solve the rest of the counter-ministry here to renew this contract. Happy New Year to those questions. Pretty self-explanatory. Thank you. Thank you. Last on the consent agenda this evening is a resolution to authorize the execution of amendment number 14 to the Department of the Navy's multi-year encroachment protection agreements. Good morning, Mr. Chairman, members of the board. This amendment, this is an amendment to an existing encroachment management agreement originally signed in 2013 with the US Navy, Quantico Marine Corp. Basin, Valkyrie County. The amendment increases the size of the area of interest in which the Navy will cost share funds to establish conservation easements. The amendment also increases the matching funds of the Navy from 50% to 75% the county currently co holds three easements under this program. And this resolution just authorizes the county administrator to sign this amendment. I'm happy to answer any questions you might have. Only questions are, so they, so they're not looking to acquire immediate parcels and take them off the facts, right? It's keep folks farming and would this be managed through the PDR program? The PDR is one avenue, but they're interested in, you know, partnering up with any agency that wants to hold easements. But yeah, BDR is the one that we currently hold. Co-hold the three easements within. I'm wondering. Yep, right. It helps us stretch our dollars a little further. So they're not seeking to acquire the properties. No, we would be the co-holder of that. Okay, got it. Okay. Now, the whole goal is program is basically to extend the requirement. Right. they get where they can participate in RPR program or some other conservation program, and they can participate in RPR program or some other conservation program and they can participate and help with funds facilitate that they do. Just keep the density of residential away from there. Keep the complaints pulling out. Mellon into the regular agenda items. But item A, this evening for the regular agenda items, resolution to approve zoning ordinance waiver 25-024269, Luxstone, Vilton, an an application to wait the requirement of obtaining a new special exception and temporarily allow use of the existing Lucky Hill Road access point. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Luxembourg Corporation is asking to allow use of the back gate on Lucky Hill Road for construction access and needs for the Remington Technology Park. It's primarily to avoid the railroad crossing at Lucky Hill Road, which is known to be dangerous particularly with the large vehicles and heavy materials that will be provided. Additionally, it will avoid the residential areas in Beilton and the Remington. On the current approvals for Luxembourg, we're required to have only access from Route 17. You all can approve this either on the regular agenda or the consent agenda should you wish to move at this evening to waive the requirements of a rising special exception. Should be noted that the board did this similarly in 99 in 2003 for the two picking plants. And then step has included some conditions as a part of the waiver, which would basically say the previous conditions still apply only for the construction materials for RTP and then this waiver would expire at the completion of RTP. V.Dot had no concerns provided they gave them a traffic plan and planned to experiment through them. Any questions I'm happy to answer them? Well, you mentioned we could move this to the consent agenda? Yes. I would propose that we do that. I've been down and looked at the gate we're talking about, and I have no concerns. I don't need to come to you with that. Yeah, yes. No. I have no problem with it. I just, to the point of opening up, it's just not knowing how long the construction process for R2P would take. and have to keep coming back and having to do this every month or whatever. So we've got to come up with a way that I'll take these at home to this. So no, I'm going to move it to the event. Right, right now you got that? Thank you. That's all we have on the regular agenda to see if any, then we go into appointments where I believe we do not have any appointments to see any supervisorsvisor Stein follows that and then General gets her shot at telling the world what's going on from her perspective or announcements and then we're off to the public hearings and by my count we have six this evening so first off is a resolution of ending fiscal year 2026, tonnage rate, fee for environmental services. Good morning, Mr. Chairman and board members. This increase, this 3% increase is due to the CPI. Our current gate rate is for commercial waste is $70 that would go to $71.50. For county waste is currently 59, and we're asking to go to $60,50. Sounds fair. Any questions? No questions? No questions. Good, thanks. Next is a resolution to adopt the 2025-2026 through 2030-2031 secondary road six year plan and the 2025 20 26 fiscal year budget Thank you, mr. Chairman Each year the board is asked to designate its priorities to V dot for the V dot budget funding cycle We get approximately a hundred fifty four thousand dollars per year for telephys funds These are used for secondary road improvement projects Last round it had Robes Road as the number one priority. That road has been completed and closed out so it's being removed from the list. Widened road project has been completed but not yet closed out. It continues to be the county's number one priority. And then any future funds for telepifunds will be going to unplanned projects and used as projects come up or improvements come up that are needed. We also designate funds for district unpaid road funding. It's between $970,000 and $1.1 million per year. This is used for the Royal Rustic Program. The proposal funds, 15 projects and includes future unplanned roads. The roads will be remained as a hard surface or have a gravel surface due to a state changes state code last year. There are no changes to the list or priorities but there are changes to four roads. Those are cabin branch road, urbanies or church road, wash right road and Kaiser road in response to concerns raised by residents along those roads to the board members of those districts. Staff is suggesting that those be reconstructed but remain the gravel surface. The resolution for all tonight would clearly indicate that change in status and the data said that that would be an acceptable approach. We are aware that it was quite a bit of unplanned money so we will be reaching out to you all in the fall to see any roads to add to this list next year. But if there are any questions, I'm happy to answer them. Any questions? No. Thanks, Adam. Thanks, Adam. Next is a resolution to approve special permit 25-024-112. Spittoni Speed says 50th anniversary celebration, an application for a category 8 special permit to allow a temporary event for the Spasdonis pizza 50th anniversary celebration. Thank you, Mr. Chair, members of the board. This is a category 8 special permit for Spasdonis pizza's 50th anniversary celebration. The properties are both located off of Lee Highway, combined just over 3.4 acres. It's part of the new Baltimore service district with the land use of commercial business, zoned commercial highway, surrounding properties are also zoned commercial highway and agriculture. They include 7-11 that's adjacent, F.E.s.s frozen favorites north side 29 restaurant, McCray heating and air and met us from nursery across from root 29. Applicants are requesting this category 8 special permit to allow a temporary event. event is proposed to be Saturday, May 31st, from 11 a.m. to 9 p.m. within their normal business hours. They plan to have a temporary patio extension, live music, a maximum of 110 attendees at any one time. They plan to have two portable restroom facilities and they have an overflow parking area designated. The included conditions that were recommended by the Planning Commission that the event only be authorized for May 31, 2025 from 11 a.m. to 9 p.m. The event shall be approved by Fire and Rescue, the Sheriff's Office, the Department of Health, and VDOP with copies of the approvals provided to the zoning administrator prior to the event. They shall make sure that their overflow parking area, which is grass, is mode and maintained prior to the event. No event parking or loading on Route 29 and personnel available to assist with traffic flow and parking. And they shall get a V.land use permit for a special event signage. The Planning Commission recommended this sport is zero with one member recusing herself. I'm happy to answer any question. No issues. I'm leaving. Thank you. Can't vote against pizza. That's illegal. All right. Next is a resolution to approve special exception. 23-019905. New Baltimore Fire Hall. An application for a category 7 special exception for a depth of use of a public safety building as an indoor technical school and as a contractor's office shop and material storage yard and a category 13 special permit to allow a business office with six or less employees. Thank you Mr. Chair and members of the board. This application has those two parks. The applicant is requesting a category seven special exception for adaptive use of the former new Baltimore Fire Hall building. As a contractor's office and as the indoor technical school, they are requesting the category 13 special permit to allow a business office in the existing residential structure on the parcel adjacent to the fire hall. These properties are located at 5303 and 5317 Lee Highway in the new Baltimore service district of Warranted. The together total 3.68 acres and are in the R1 residential zoning district. The parcels are generally surrounded by residential uses to the east, south, and west. There's a village, commercial village, and commercial neighborhood zoning across the highway. These parcels are in the village of New Baltimore and they contain capital sheds, New Baltimore Fire and New Baltimore Animal Hospital. Animal Hospital, ABC behavioral services and residential uses to the Southwest. There's the Mill Run Business Park, which is an industrial and it includes the Pepsi Cola and other businesses that designated land use for the subject parcels are in office park within the new Baltimore service district. The service district plan is included in Chapter 6 of the County Comprehensive Plan. The goal of the Office Park area is to create a mix of business education, recreation, and personal services and public and quasi-public uses. It calls for pedestrian infrastructure, including trails and sidewalks and offers guidance for signage and dense landscaping to screen these businesses from Lee Highway. This highway is included in the journey through hallowed ground, National Sc scenic byways. The comprehensive calls for this preservation of such byways and states development should not appreciate or call this visual intrusion along that route. As its name suggests, the new Baltimore Fire Hall was previously home to the new Baltimore Fire Hall until they're moved to the Riley Road location in 2012. As a former public safety building, it is eligible for adaptive reuse with a special exception for the zoning ordinance. The applicant is associated with an existing business, brothers, mechanical services, and the Virginia Mechanical Trade Institute, which operate out of Manassas. They would like to utilize the first floor of the building, which is on the side shown here facing the highway. As a contractor's office further existing business, the office would be open from 830-8 Monday through Saturday and have six full time employees and utilize the full area of that first floor with limited indoor storage on the first floor and basement levels. The applicant has proposed 10 parking spaces for this use on the basement level, which faces faces Grace Mill Road and is shown here, the applicant is proposing adaptive use as an indoor technical school. The school would operate all days of the week from 8 a.m. to 10 p.m., including two class sessions, one during the day and one in the evening. The proposed curriculum separates each class into four hour lecture and four hour lab. The applicant has proposed up to six instructors on staff with three present for each of those classes and up to 25 students per session noting that this is their future goal and enrollment will likely be less in their early years. As shown in the submitted plan the indoor classroom spaces would be on the entire lower level and also in the enclosed student training area structure that will be in place of the existing shed that shown here. Activitiesities would include brazing, cutting, and troubleshooting of mechanical equipment. 23 parking spaces are proposed for this use and applicant has indicated that 315 passenger vans will be used to provide transportation for students to reduce the parking demand as needed. The second portion of the application is for category 13 special permit to allow for the use of the existing residential structure on the adjacent lot. As a business office with six or less employees, this office would provide supplemental administrative and operative office space for the contractor's office and for the technical school. This home is currently owned by the applicant. The office would operate from 8.30 a.m. to 6 p.m. Monday through Saturday, the same days of the week as the contractors office and roughly around the same hours. Per the zoning ordinance, they could have a maximum of six employees, no equipment or material storage and no retailer wholesale sales. The six parking spaces for this use are currently and will only be accessed through the fire hall parcel. This generally summarizes the associated site improvements associated with the proposed juices, the two existing gravel entrances, the one directly off of Lee Highway, and the one off of Lee Highway and the one off of Grey's Mill Road, will be closed and re-vegetated. The remaining concrete entrance on Grey's Mill will be brought up to V.Entrance Standards and a gate and fencing will be added. Landscaping and screening are proposed around the entire parcel. In total, the applicant is proposing 39 parking spaces for all three of the uses. the water, the fuck your county abandoned and the existing well and septic systems and they will utilize the public utilities. The slide also represents the proposed improvements. You can see the buildings and the associated parking. In green and yellow you can see the proposed landscape buff and the pedestrian easements that will be dedicated to the county. The applicant is also providing examples of their five foot and seven foot high security fencing that they will use. As part of the adoptive use standards, ultimately, the board must find that they're proposed use is most appropriate given the prior use and design of the existing building. The applicant believes that the open basement floor plan of the fire hall would be useful as a training classroom space. The board must also find that the traffic generated by the uses will not cause an undue impact on the neighbors or adversely affect the safety of the roads. Staff and V dot have worked closely with the applicant to recommend the closure of the existing Lee Highway entrance because it is unsafe and it does not meet the V.O.T. standards. However, that means that the sole entrance will be located on Graysmole Road, which is designated as a local road, which is less than that major collector standard. Based on the applicant materials and V.O.T. traffic counts, the applicant would be adding approximately 151 daily trips to Graysmole Road, which is an increase of 2023% from the 2022 traffic estimates from B.The Planning Commission and its four to one vote recommending approval believe that both of these findings could be made. The Planning Commission recommended conditions and these have been separated into each use. The contractor's office on the first floor would only operate in the Firewall property and would be limited to the first floor level the condition would allow for the requested hours of operation from 8.30 to 8 Monday through Saturday with the maximum of six employees only indoor storage will be permitted For the technical school similarly, it will only operate in the fire hall building within its basement level The recommended condition would allow for the requested two sessions of classes with the maximum of three instructors and 25 students with the minimum 30 minutes between sessions to allow for better parking. The planning commission recommended a condition requiring the use of the ride sharing bands for classes greater than 15 students. Only indoor activities would be permitted and would occur during the requested hours of 8 a.m. to 10 p.m. all days of the week in the basement level of the fire hall building and in the enclosed student training area structure. Proposed conditions for the business office in the residential home would be, would limit the operations of that building and set hours to the requested 830 to 6 p.m. Monday through Saturday. For the ordinance they would only have six employees, no public visits in the office, in the office and no retailer full sale sales or storage. The building must maintain its residential appearance. The property would continue to be accessed through the fire hall parcel only, and parking would be screened from all the neighboring residences, and no signage would be permitted. The landscape buffers and fencing would need to meet the zoning ordinance standards. Existing vegetation is recommended to remain in place and be supplemented to improve the screening. The plant material along Lee highway would need to meet the journey through hallowed ground standards. The only entrance would be the existing concrete entrance on Graysmo road and the other two would be completely removed and re-vegitated to their natural state. No parking, stopping or standing would be permitted on either roadway and the proposed security gate would must be able to open and close while the large and expected vehicle I standing outside of the public right away. All site lighting would be limited to 15 feet in height and a site plan will be required. This item was heard by the Planning Commission during their April 17th meeting during that public hearing two speakers spoken support of the application, including the applicant legal representative and a former student representative of the program. There was one letter received from an adjoining homeowner raising concerns related to the level activity associated with the proposed uses and the increased potential traffic on Gray's Mill Road and the turning movements onto an off of Lee Highway. The commission voted four to one to recommend approval subject to the revised conditions that were discussed. This included increasing the maximum number of employees from four to six and prohibiting all outdoor activities and outdoor storage and realizing the 7-foot security fence detail. These items were all revised and are shown on the application materials that you've reviewed since the plan commission we've received no other letters of public comment. I'm happy to answer any questions. Outdoor storage. So it's permitted? No. I want to be clear on that because it references it several times in here but okay. Good. Anybody? I've looked at this off and on for the last year or so and I think with the removal of the outdoor activity and outdoor storage, I'm comfortable with it. I think the traffic impact too will be pretty minimal since it's right at the end of the road. You know, it was at the the traffic impact, too, would be pretty minimal since it's right at the end of the road. You know, it was at the back of it, it'd be a little different. And I think that the bulk of the traffic is going to be the opposite of the main flows to during rush hour in the morning. Grace Mill is exiting. Right. These guys will be coming in. I don't think they'll add anything to the peak or minimally. I know we've struggled with this property. Yeah, I want to do it. So it sounds like we finally found a solution here. So yeah. All right. Thank you. Item E this evening is a resolution to approve special exception 25-023827. 11-003 Weaverville Road, an application for a category 20 special exception to install a private individual sewage treatment system which discharges into an open ditch. Sounds fascinating. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and members of the board. The property is located at 11, 003 Weaver's Role Road in Lee District within the Bealton Service District. The parcel is one acre and zoned rural residential with the land use of residential. The applicant is requesting a category 20 special exception to allow the installation of a private individual sewage treatment system, which discharges into an open ditch to replace an existing field drain field. The surrounding properties are zoned rural residential and agriculture and have residential and agricultural uses. The home on the property was built in 1960 and has been fully renovated over the last five years. The property currently has a conventional septic system installed in the 1980s that has failed. The Virginia Department of Health issued an intended an eye-op permit for a conventional replacement system due to insufficient soil area of soils for a new drain field and the required reserve areas either on the property or any adjacent properties. Although located within the built-in service district, the public sewer connection does not extend to Eversville Road. The proposed system has a treatment capacity of 450 gallons per day meeting a requirement for a three bedroom home. The system will be equipped with treatment system alarms and remote telemetry for communication with the service provider as well as event counters and flow meters to ensure the system remains in compliance with all discharge limitations. This system will undergo all required formal start-up testing during the first six months and ongoing compliance testing thereafter. The property owner will enter into a maintenance and monitoring agreement with a licensed operator. The applicant has stated the installation will mitigate the failing system, resulting in improved groundwater quality and will allow the continuation of the existing residential use. The quality of the effluent released into the environment will be comparable to that of recreational waters. The treatment process starts with a new 1000 gallon septic holding tank from there. Effluent will pass through an aerobic treatment unit and on to an ultraviolet disinfection unit to eradicate any remaining harmful bacteria. A pump line then moves the treated effluent across the property to an erasure chamber and is released into an approximately 260 foot long engineered discharge ditch, which extends to a natural swell at the property line. The applicant has stated that it is unlikely that treated water will ever exit the property, given the length of the proposed ditch. The included conditions require that the system will be designated to discharge an average flow of less than four or equal to 450 gallons per day and serve a maximum of three bedrooms. All existing septic tanks will be abandoned per VDH requirements. All water fixtures will be connected to the system. It will be operated in accordance with all regulations and amatements and monitoring of contract will be retained at all times. A water affluent meter in remote telemetry alarm device will be installed on the system. At their April meeting, the Planning Commission discussed the proposal and conducted a public hearing. The only speaker was the applicant who spoke in support of the application following the public hearing the Planning Commission voted unanimously to recommend approval. I'm happy to answer any questions. Any questions? Actually do you have two questions. Number one of this is not approved as the property it can be them since there's not approval or there's no way that they can do a conventional one. Yes, that's correct. And second question, if you know obviously this it's stipulated that they have to hire a professional company to oversee it. Who's holding them to that standard? Is that the county or the public health? I believe it's the county. I'm not sure if the Department of Health Has that requirement for an ongoing maintenance agreement, but I can double check. Okay. Just curious. Yeah. Thank you Can we get clarification on that? Absolutely. My understanding it's it's the health department. Okay, but I'll given some other conversations that have taken place today regarding other issues. I'd like to understand that. Okay, thank you. Absolutely. Any other questions? All right, last this evening on the public hearings. Is a resolution to approve special 25-023-962. Ben Hill self-storage, an application for a special exception to allow the construction of an indoor self-storage facility with an aggregate building footprint in excess of 50,000 square feet in the PCID district. Thank you. The proposal includes two properties located at the corner of Kennedy Road in Edmaw Court in Vint Hill, and about four tenths of a mile south of the intersection of Kennedy Road in Vint Hill Road within the New Baltimore Service District. The parcel is total just over 7.8 acres in our zone in the PCID and an area of Vint Hill designated for commercial and industrial development. The applicant is seeking approval of a special exception to allow construction of an indoor self storage facility in excess of 50,000 square feet in the PCID district. The surrounding properties are zone PCID and agriculture and have commercial and industrial or agricultural uses. The property is subject to the Proper's encoded development associated with the rezoning amendment approved in 2018. The Vintil Conservancy has reviewed the proposal and provided a letter of support. Last year, the Board approved a zoning ordinance text amendment requiring special exception approval for any new structure or group of structures, serving the same enterprise with an aggregate footprint exceeding 50,000 square feet in the PCID district. The purpose of this special exception is to evaluate larger scale proposals prior to development and if deemed appropriate require conditions to minimize impact on surrounding properties. The proposed indoor self storage facility has an aggregate footprint of just over 107,000 square feet. A total of six buildings include approximately 31,300 square foot building housing, the business office and climate controlled interior storage units with an adjacent 5400 square foot overhead canopy and additional five additional buildings housing exterior access units ranging in size from 3,600 square feet to 36,540 square feet. Access to the property will be from Edmark Court via two gated entrances with a gated stormwater management access on the north side of the property. For a matter of landscaping, we'll be provided in accordance with the zoning ordinance. The applicant estimates that the business will consist of two employees in serving average of 20 customers per day. The proposed office hours of operation are Monday through Friday from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. and Saturday from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. for customer rentals and limited retail sales of packing materials. Customers will have 24-7 access to the buildings, gated area and individual units via a touchpad code or electronic key card. There will be an estimated 44 vehicle trips per day, including employees, customers and delivery vehicles. In lieu of the existing stormwater management easement, a new easement will be dedicated to provide access to the stormwater management lot to the north. According to the applicant, the largest proposed buildings, which is approximately 36,540 square feet, is scaled to accommodate larger storage items for tradesmen and other such users. However, the zoning ordinance limits self-storage to personal property and household goods only. Accordingly, the Planning Commission has recommended a condition limiting storage to these types of goods, and included another prohibiting indoor or outdoor storage of RVs and motorized vehicles and equipment, which is not unapproved used in the PCI district. Also, the main building housing the business office at the Southwest corner is intended to simulate a 20-foot tall office building with double-story glass storefronts. Given the height and size of the window's interior lighting may impact neighboring property owners in the county's dark sky objectives. The Planning Commission therefore recommended conditions requiring glazing on the upper story windows to prevent light pollution and limiting the visible interior lighting to the proposed office of hours of operation. At their equal meeting the Planning Commission discussed the application, the applicant had a representative from the Vintil Conservancy spoke in support. Following the public hearing, the commission unanimously voted to recommend approval of a special exception. Recommendations include a front buffer yard along Edmore Court consistent with that required on Kennedy Road. That units will be limited to the storage approved in the zoning ordinance. Office hours of operation will be limited to those proposed by the applicant. Interior lighting visible from the windows, front and Kennedy road and Ed Moore Court will be limited to the office hours of operation and upper story windows will have the glazing to prevent light pollution. All gates will be designed and located to the trap of Ken and her and exit without stopping an Ed Moore Court and emergency vehicle access will be maintained at all times. Emergency access boxes will be installed at the gated entrances. Final of the proof, lastly final approval of the project by the Vinhil Conservancy will be required prior to release of the site plan. I'm happy to answer any questions. Any questions? Thank you. All right. That concludes the gender review? Thank you All right that concludes agenda review With them and then we've got Okay first up this work session to receive updates on the all points broadband Virginia telecommunications initiative. Morning, Mr. Chairman, members of the board. Thank you for this opportunity to provide an update on our broadband project. I'm going to touch on how Faulkier is progressing with respect to the overall regional project. Talk about Dominion's middle model construction. We'll also have representatives from Dominion here later today. Talk a little bit about our timeline. And then I'm going to touch on the federal bead program at the end. And then happy to take any questions along the way or at the end. So first at the end of last year, we presented a plan to the State Robin office to rescope our project to shift from primarily aerial fiber attachments to underground attachment as a result of the statewide cost for attaching to third party polls, which is what we would be required to do for an aerial network. Our network was originally designed to be about 7% underground. Now in Faulkier, it's more like 50% underground. It's a good approval for that and shifting up of some of the funding sources. We had to go to the state broadband office at the end of the year. They approved that plan that we submitted in September. They approved that in November. We came back and presented our schedule in December to all of the eight counties in the project. Appreciate the county's support there. We work with DHCD, and so they always want to make sure that the counties are involved with those processes. So thank you for that. Overall, the progress across the regional project reduces risk in Fawkear County. Primarily right now, we have a lot of Dominion Minimal Construction going on. Fawkear is number two in terms of productivity. I got a slide for Dominion's Minimal Construction. Our last model construction will follow Dominion's Minimal. If we go out and build our fiber, and Dominion hasn't finished theirs, our fiber is just hanging on a pole or in a conduit. So we coordinate that strongly with Dominion. Also a lot of collaboration between all points and the V.Dont residency. So here we're fortunate to have a very strong relationship with the warrants in residency. Right now we have a $35 million bond capacity statewide. So for every land use permit or aerial fiber permit that we put in with VDOT, we have to set aside funding from our bond capacity in case we damage the road. Of course, it calls another issue. So $35 million of which right now we're accessing about 28 million. We manage that with VDI. That gives us a lot of capacity to build fiber, not only in Falkier, but across the state. In Falkier County, we are on schedule for all of our pre-construction activities. I have a timeline and a couple of slides. Some activities have moved up, some have moved back, but we're generally on schedule for what we presented in December. So in terms of the risk mitigation schedule and some numbers there, we were originally planning to attach to over 100,000 poles across the eight counties. We've reduced that to about 20,000. And fuck here, it's about 4,000 of which dominion is the primary poll owner that we are attached to, and then Novak and then REC. So still three different poll owners, but substantially reducing the risk there. And we expect that in Falkier we'll have our network turned on in Q3, as I'll get into the timeline in two slides. Quick question for you. A percentage of polls. Rappahannic electric co-op. What is the percentage of fiber that's going to be hung on those polls in Falkyre County? You have any idea? It's I think it's about 20% of the aerial. 20% of the aerial fiber would you? It's been significantly reduced because of the undergrounding And therefore we've gone to the 50% roughly on this project for farcure. Yes, sir and compare that to Colpeper real quick I just want to start setting up some context yeah in Co-pepper the aerial construction All right, the aerial plan was similar to Faulkier. We reduced that almost to a% underground in the REC territories. The REC territories, I want to drill on that for a second because I want to make a comparison later on. Sure. In terms of a rapid-handic electrical co-op, the point I'm trying to get to here is my understanding is they were a much larger portion of the project than they were in Fa block year. Yes sir. Okay and because of their whole situation where they decided to drastically increase the cost per mile that was a large issue when it came to Colpepper's decision making and somewhat had to do with our delays here in Falkier County in Am I off-facing? Yes, sir. Two things. One is the leasing of fiber that is built by an electric utility provider. So we lease fiber from Dominion. We lease fiber from REC. That there is significant price increase to the leasing of fiber. The second way that we interact with poll owners is to attach their poll and generally across the state, the cost for make ready construction exceeded basically all attachers budgets. The state addressed that with an additional $30 million fund last year, which we have applied for in our regional project and in coal-pattern. The state was extremely generous in that particular situation. Yes sir, and they understand that if you want to get this broadband done and we're overgenious, you got to pay more for me. Where I'm going with all this is to the press. Dig into this because it's a significant and it had a lot to do. One organization's actions had a lot to do with changing the schedule of this project. And you guys need to focus in on this and do something about it and write something about it is what I should say. Thank you. Yes sir. So, turning to Dominion's middle law construction. Again, their project manager Mr. Long will be here this afternoon. They built about 50 miles and fuck here, mostly in the Northern section, just aligns with where we will be building our construction first. Strong collaboration between all points and a minion, a lot of back and forth on their mileage and their productivity. So good success over there. I'm sure that Mr. Long can answer more detailed questions about Dominions Vidal. At turning to our schedule, this is a summary of the main tasks on our critical path. One that I wanted to point out that has shifted back from December is the submission of V.O. permits. That is because we are much more comfortable now than when we were in December in terms of the productivity and the collaboration with the V.O. residency. Very strong relationship there. A lot of back and forth on getting when used permits approved and making sure that we're doing the construction correctly. So certainly appreciate the feedback and collaboration with the V.O. residency. residency. In terms of last mile construction, in December we were thinking early July, now it's more like late July, so a little shift there, but not a substantial change, and you'll see shortly after that we'll have network activation, cabinets being built, and I'll show you in a couple slides where we believe that'll be first, again that aligns with Dominion's construction timing. In terms of the volume of work you will see in the field. Right now we have in Augusta County, and the regional project we have 29 construction crews out there today. They're doing about 20,000, 25,000 feet a day of putting in conduit. They had to come back and add the fiber, but we certainly had the construction capacity to hit our throughput of about 30 miles a month. We can do that simultaneously in multiple counties. You will see those numbers in Parkier as well. That's a good time to point out that once construction starts, we're going to have more frequent and throw interaction with county staff. We'll see the streets that the construction is working on. We'll proactively answer questions about restoration. We'll see a lot of consumer and constituent questions when the trucks are out in the field. And so that kind of frequency with staff will increase once we start construction. This is a layout of our fiber service areas. There are five right now and four here. This may go up or down, change a little bit as we get to the final prints that are handed out to construction vendors. Each one of these colored polygons has one active cabinet and we treat all of the homes in that area as one. So for example the purple area, Falkier 1, that is where we plan to turn on the network first. In advance of that service, all, I think it's about 1800 homes, about 1800 homes in Falkier 1, we'll get a notice saying your fiber service area will have broadband available in approximately 60 days. Go to this website to fill out your contact information. So we do our marketing, our construction planning is based on these fiber service areas. And then I have another slide that breaks it down. I think a little too detailed on this map, but each fiber service area is then subdivided into a distribution area. They get their own passive cabinet and the network right now is designed to hit every single location in Quarkir County. That is why we have fiber distribution areas in areas of the county that aren't technically in our grant funded area. But we're going to be here for a long time. We're signing 30-year lease agreements for all of our cabinets. We have to have capacity plan today to build out into the future. This is also key to talking about the B program in a couple of signs. So, B is the Federal Infrastructure Act program. Virginia was allocated about a billion and a half dollars for deployment, which is like our project and non-deployment, like paying for telehealth or telemedicine services. Federal law, at least today, requires Virginia to spend this bead money on getting people broadband who don't have it with a priority for a wired service. All the applications for the first round of bead were submitted March 1st. The state has evaluated those applications. They have notified provisional awardees that information is embargoed until the state makes it public, probably in June. The state had a second round of applications due at the end of April. They have not made those awards public or even announced to the applicants right now, the federal agency that runs BED is providing guidance to the state lobbying offices. It's a federal program run by the state office. And as we all know, there's a lot of change going on with federal programs. But right now, the B program is progressing as planned from the state's perspective. They are right now required to make all their proposals public by the end of July. But again, federal program run by state office, so there could be some change in the future. Falkier is very well positioned to have fiber to the home to all of your bead eligible locations. I'm sorry, can I ask one question, Mr. Chair? Okay. On the prior slide and the side before where you have the five areas And is it in my correct understanding that they will go in the AmeriCorps in terms of delivery one and two then three then four and five? but I Wouldn't interpret the number okay to be the sequence that's just a coincidence that fuck your one Also happens to be the area we're going first that That is mainly to do with the Dominion Fiber Construction is progressing more in that part of the county. OK, so the work in progress doesn't mean design work. It means physical. They're out there. They're out there doing it. Building. And the green is complete. Yes, sir. And all the pink stuff is, they're still designing. Pink is design complete, again the Dominion first will be here. No work has started yet. Correct. There's not been released to construction. Got it. And that's all work that the utilities are doing, that's not work that you all are doing. Correct? It is, well, the miles are for our project. So they would not be building the world-broad then miles without the project that we have in partnership with the county. But it is being constructed by Dominion and their crews. So middle mile. Middle mile, yes sir. Right, okay. As far as the project and the mileage that we are committed to bring to the county and deliver to the state broadband office, these miles are included. All right, and so the total number of anticipated customers that you think through the B program are 10,000, 20,000 in valkier? What's your guess? Your estimate? I, for the B program, I have to double check on that number, but it's probably mid single digits of thousands in our project, where, you know, 9 or 10,000. And would you anticipate that those will be in linear fashion over the course of that 11 month? So you'll get roughly 9% each month over that. They are, they're broken up generally evenly between each one of these polygons. They roughly serve about the same number of, okay, I 2200, 2500, something like in that range. And we build our fiber to serve not only the locations that we're going to at the end of the line, but all of the ones along the way as well. So we have capacity as we build out fiber to locations that are specifically in our project and there are other ones that are called on the ways and we'll have capacity for them as well. So on the all points website, there's a sign up where individuals can go in and inquire if they're in the project or not. And I found that sometimes it's not accurate. Is that still the case? Correct. OK. And it's a mix of two things going on there. One is that the occasionally, if you type in an address, it's latitude and longitude, maybe different depending on the database that you are looking at. And if our website checks a database and it doesn't have the exact matching attributes, then it will give you an error message. So if that happens for any of your constituents, you can email me, we'll get that corrected. The second thing is we base a lot of our data on the federal communication commissions broadband fabric and they have a third party consultant who is going out and identified every single street address and given it a unique idea. We pull from that database routinely. It is not always accurate and I got a slide on how to fix that at the end because it happens more than, well, maybe not more than you think, but more than most people think. Do residents need to sign up now or if people don't do a thing at some point will they get, if they don't do a thing, they're in the project whether they like it or not. What we ask them today to do to pre-register on the website is to give us your email and permission to send you an email at the same time that we would send direct mailers to all the addresses. So you're right. So you do not have to register your location being the project. If you're on the list, you're on the list. You don't know. And I'll show you how to correct the database in couple slides. But that happens pretty frequently. Thank you. OK, B program. This is just FYI. The B program is based on zip code tabulation areas. Each one of these has a separate application through B. Here we go. This is how you modify your location on the federal broadband map. So, broadband map.fcc.gov. You can type in your address. If there's no green dot above your home, there is no one tracking whether or not broadband is being provided to you. So if you go there and you type in your address, you can literally click on the screen and add your home to the database. You can also have frequently, we'll have an outbuilding or a barn on your parcel. And the feds think that's where the broadband should go. You can go to this website and drag and drop it to your home. And after it is in this fabric, every single internet service provider has to say whether or not they provide service to you, what technology they use, and what speeds. But if you're not in this map, nobody's reporting it to you, and you're not going to be eligible for any broadband funding in the future. We try to point people in the right direction. I think once you do this once or twice, it's pretty straightforward. But this is the best that we got for recording and changing broadband location data. So with that, I would be happy to answer any questions about our project, or anything brought in, bled it. Any questions? So, understanding is that Colt Pepper has terminated their relationship with AVB, right? Yes, sir. Why? And how do we prevent ourselves from being in position where we want to do that as well? Sure. So in terms of its impact on Parkier County, a couple things have happened. We have increased our bonding capacity with VDOT because we've closed out a lot of pending permits. And we have some construction resources that can now be deployed in other counties. In terms of the impact on all points, it's a relatively small proportion of our portfolio that's under construction. The costs in terms of make ready construction were excessive and not only in co-oper but across the state not just for us but for all projects. The state put out a $30 million program last year we worked with co-oper county to apply for a significant portion of that and they were awarded $7.4 million of this fund and apply for by the county and that required all points to put up another two and a half million dollars. We asked the county to accept the award. We had crews in market. We had a hundred percent of our V.O. permits submitted. The county did not accept that ten million dollars of additional investment and We had missed a couple of our milestones, but we had significant additional resources to put in the project. All of this is publicly available, depending on where you look. And right now we're just reallocating resources amongst our portfolio of ongoing projects. The milestones that you missed were they direct result or in part a direct result of the whole reppahannic electrical co-op situation? In terms of cost and time for make ready construction, yes, the whole plan for the network construction changing from aerial to underground does require more time does require more cost. We went to the state. We got significant funding from the state. We got significant funding from the private sector and we needed more time to execute that plan and County had a decision point and that was the decision that they made sticking with just the facts No speculation But can you just explain this board? What happened with REC? What exactly? Was done there without I don't want to put you In an uneasy spot, but I think it's important context that not just this board needs to understand, but anybody who's dealt with REC, any customer REC, because from what I admit it's limited, but from what I know, it is just a gregious in my opinion what they did and people should know about it because it impacted a lot of projects. Yes, we're partnered with RAC and a number of counties. In some counties, we have completed those projects on time, we have delivering service in RAC territories We lease fiber from them we continue to plan to lease fiber from them and attach to their polls Once a make ready ticket gets to the the folks who actually do the work Absolutely no problem The work is scheduled Not a doubt that it gets done. In terms of cost allocation, we have a known issue between attackers and coal owners about allocating the cost of make ready construction. That is where our dispute mainly lies. It's just a fact of the matter is that replacing poles is an expensive activity. And they and most poll owners have a lot of poles to replace when you're building new fiber. But the cost per mile specifically in our initial applications, we had a certain cost per mile to lease fiber from REC. And when the time came, after the applications had been awarded to sign those documents, the cost tripled. And that's not a cost that we were able or willing to bear. And so instead, we redesigned most of our networks that we would go to our own fiber At a lower cost and what it would be to lease fiber from that in fact barrier or bury the fiber And does that tripling in cost? How does it compare to what happened with other utilities that you work with? It does not compare. Others were all lower? Yes, sir. But the investor in utilities have a different program that they are allowed to leverage than the cooperative utilities. So if Dominion is building Mill Mile Fiber for a World Broadband project, they have a way to seek rate adjustment clause and they have different tools in their tool bag because they are an investor and utility as opposed to a cooperative. That can explain some of the cost difference. I think also there is a lot of money in World War BAN expansion. I'm sure that that had an impact on the price. Is REC getting into this space as well? I don't know if they're getting into the last mile space, but they have a significant middle mile network. We partner with them on that and plan to use it. I'm just not to the same extent that we had in our original grant application. No, I'm not trying to make you feel uncomfortable. I don't want you standing, you know, you're not comfortable saying. It's just my understanding of all this is what is true. It's pretty, it's pretty disappointing to say the least. So I'll leave it at that. Thank you. All right. Thank you. If I can just request staff to update our site with this information and provide Thank you. All right. Thank you. If I could just request staff to update our site with this information and provide this powerful representation, I think it would go a long way because I am obviously getting calls and it's nine times out of ten. It's our fault until you explain it and then people understand it but it would be nice if they could go to the website and actually get this information and have a full understanding of what's going on because I mean, I'm included in this, but everybody wants Bob Broadband yesterday. I mean, five or yesterday, I should say at this point. And we just can't do enough to get it here quick as possible. But I do believe that given some of the roadblocks and changes in plans, etc., I think all points is doing a good job at trying to deliver on schedule as best they can. And I mean, it started with the administration change. There were delays. There are also delays that were just explained. Our changes that were just explained that caused schedule disruption. So yeah, I think at the end of the day, by June of next year, we're told that this should be substantially up and running in Falk York County. And at this point, I have no reason to believe that not to be the case. I know that's not soon enough for a lot of people, but this is not an easy undertaking. This is a pretty extensive network that they're building. And when people are throwing curveball we just need to understand that that's going to impact the schedule sometimes. So, anyways, my two cents. All right, believe that's it. We're going to break for lunch and then come back here at 130, correct? We can do that if you want to move the closed session. We did have a closed session to talk about. Let's go ahead and keep our discussion. Do you want to have a close session now? We can, or yes. I prefer to. Yeah. Do we do that right here? Do that for God's sake. I guess we could do it right here if we close everything off. I can't. I'm right here. Reading is in. The judge is going to be in the office. The judge is going to be in the office. The judge is going to the cell phone off. I think the number of candidates is going to be a little bit to the top. I think the number of candidates is going to be a little bit to the top. I think the number of candidates is going to be a little bit to the top. I think the number of candidates is going to be a little bit to the top. The doctorate will do a check-up. We think by the county's work, is it difficult to do a legal matter of the legal authority to settle the counsel and offer a right. All right. Aye. We need a second. Second. We need roll call. All right. Roll call. Mr. Wacher. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Darren. Aye. Rick. Aye this afternoon we're going to start with a work session and then involves the water and sewer authority. Ben, if you'd like to come up. Introduce yourself, state of name, Data Birth, Social Security. All righty, thank you for having me, Ben Schumacher, Executive Director of Falkier County Water and Sanitation Authority, WSA for short. It's been almost exactly one year since I came to you last year and talked about a variety of things, mostly water supply for ever chemicals emerging contaminants. So I really appreciate being able to come back and give you an update. And with that, let's roll through. We tried to, when Ms. Downs and I were talking about this, we're trying to figure out how much time and make sure that if anybody wanted to ask questions they could. Next thing I know I'm on here for an hour, so we'll find something to talk about no matter what. Yeah, 15 years. Perfect. So with that, just a reminder for everybody, I always start this out that we are a political subdivision of the Commonwealth. We are separate from Faulkier County. As you all well know, you do a point, our board, which has an equal number of members, five members, pointed for four year terms. This is probably the first time I can remember that we've actually had stability on the board. We've had, there were a lot of appointments over the past couple of years and we actually have a nice stable board for few years and we appreciate that and want to keep that way. We are customer funded, not taxpayer funded. And as far as what we do, it's mostly serving service districts in the county, plus some legacy subdivisions that have their own standalone systems. And we do water and wastewater services to town of the plains and wastewater services to town of Remington. They serve the town and their side of the railroad tracks. We serve the district out on these south side of the railroad tracks. And we always like to remind people that a lot of what we have comes from rescuing failed private systems over the many years. With that, we can just briefly talk about some of this because it is actually one of the reasons why we're faced with the challenges that we are today. If you start at the very top of the county, the yellow stars are water systems. The three green stars are the three regional wastewater facilities. If we start at the top, Paris, the county and WSA both inherited that over the decades. Coming down, Marshall, we bought the wastewater system in the 60s from a private entity, the water system, in 2006. Coming on down Bethel Academy, we purchased off of a private developer that was sort of going out. Wardleau on the west side of town came from the HUA no longer being able to maintain it. Keep coming down. Turnbull was more of a charitable situation. Coming down to Opal, we had two subdivisions we served. We picked up Canterbury when it effectively was no longer a viable water system. And going down to both of which was Habitat for Humanity. So a lot of what we have, we always like to remind people it's not something that we necessarily created but it's something we all have today and every day we try to make it more efficient. I'll save new Baltimore which is a collection of failed private systems. We'll save that for a few more slides. I want to start out with drought. This and thanks for your IT folks for bearing with me. I was trying to catch this weekly drought exhibit which was published at 8 o'clock this morning. It would have been nice if they put it up before 10 a.m. But whatever we got it here. As you can see, we are in the, what should be the rainy season. And we're not getting rain. Certainly we had a little bit earlier this week, but it's not making up for it. We are in a moderate drought, and we're bordered by severe drought. It is not getting better. In fact, the state drought monitoring task force actually just this past week extended the drought watch to more Virginia. Everything in yellows in drought watch green is normal today. And where you see the little squares on each drought region, we're in the northern region which is basically, we'll just not use that then, the northern region which is the one up at the top there and it's got a red square and the upper right corner of the little box. That means technically it is emergency for groundwater. We are deeper and a little more resilient in our public supply wells than the monitoring wells they use to generate these drought indices. But we are still in the drought. We've never really escaped it after last year. You've got two factors. You've got precipitation, which we all see, but you also have demand. So after October time frame, while the drought did not improve dramatically, we didn't get back to 100%, at least the demand sl lacked off so that we weren't stressing it as much. As soon as at some point you'll probably have memory and gear it back later this year. They work for the county and for us. One of the things they're coming to the conclusion of is the impact on groundwater from drought is greater than just the deficit and precipitation. One of the things they have in their most recent report is that as much as a 20 percent deficit and precipitation can be a 50 percent cut to the groundwater. So it is a serious condition. We are stable from right now, but what this most likely means is that we're going to have to for go irrigation and some systems this summer. And we probably will be announcing that very soon. Then, sorry, is it how how localized is rain water versus groundwater? Could we be impacted by folks 20 miles away? Or is it pretty much within a mile two of where the rain falls? It's interesting. And the fractured rock aquifers we have around this county, we are far more localized. Essentially when we're drilling underground, we're hitting fractures in the bedrock under to feet deep. Unfortunately, it's very hard and near impossible to predict. If Emory and Garrett comes back later this year, they'll be able to explain in great detail the modeling they've done to try and show this. But really, it doesn't typically, it doesn't extend very far outside of the wells themselves. Or in some situations, built in as one where it sort of extends, we'll say the zone of influence might just be like a one mile radius around the service district. So not too far out. There have been a couple situations where we've experienced a reduction in groundwater and not knowing whether it's drought or a complication in the rock underground. We have, you know, going out to look to see if there is any, you know, let's say agricultural use, something like that. And we've never found anybody unknown, you know, interfering with this, we'll say. So we would be wrong of us to blame adjoining counties if their use has gone way, way up. That's not impacting our groundwater. Most likely, that's, yeah, true. It would be, it's hard for more than a few miles away to really make a difference. One example is Bent Hill and our new Baltimore system, the Roads Road Wells, that served the north end of that system. In theory, they've always said that due to the location, even though there are a couple miles away, if Bent Hill pulls too hard or Roads Road pulls too hard, one of them can impact the other, but in practice, we've never actually seen in the data that any proof of that. So either we're operating conservatively and it's good or else there's such a minor influence that it just doesn't show. Real quick and the drought folks did not update this yet. I tried this morning but it still stuck on March on the drought monitor. Sixth driest March on record and 11th Dryest Year to Date. We actually, when we're looking at groundwater, the surface water folks do the same thing, but they look at, we'll say, the water year most often, which is October 1st through the summer. In theory, October 1st, summertime uses are gone and you start collecting water for the new hot season. Well, is, this about 10 days old this slide here but looking back to October 1st the start of the water year. The whole county is shaded in sort of this tan color which is 50 to 75% in normal rainfall. And if you were to hover with your cursor over about the middle of the county, we're at 65% of rainfall during the water year, which is October 1 through today. That's when we're supposed to be collecting all the water for summer when we're not getting it. And we're two thirds of what we should be. That's not a good sign right now. So with that, I'm going to jump into an update on forever chemicals, which we spent a lot of time on last year. It's not gonna be a rehash, but it's more of an update of what we've gotten. Briefly to remind you, PFAS, it's a short acronym for very complicated series of chemicals. Forever chemicals emerging contaminants you might have heard them under variety of terms. Outstanding non-stick waterproof properties. Anything that's slick probably has these chemicals in it or has had them over the years. It's in food packaging, clothing, anything, really anything in your daily life, dim a floss, stuff like that. It's still around and it's not out yet and it won't be for years to come. Every living thing on the face of the earth probably has it in a bloodstream, but important thing for us is April of last year EPA directed that it's got to come out of the water systems by 2029 where it leaves reductions down to a certain very low number. It's really started the hottest topic in our industry in many years. Nationwide right now of everybody trying to get a handle on where what is the PFAS and the water systems where is it coming from and how do we get it out and it's actually migrating into the wastewater world as well. With that this slide is from the last year's presentation out of our 40-some wells. There's about 16 that are over the limit. That has not changed the testing for expensive for us to go do it across the entire system or they all 16 water systems. It's about say 25,000 at lab costs. So we're doing it more semi-annually. It does not appear to be changing, which means we've got a few more years by which we have to have treatment and bring it under. More importantly, it's not just the third of the wells. Technically, 35% of the wells need treatment or replacement. Looking at it from the capacity standpoint, the bigger wells are getting hit more. So 50% of the capacity needs to be addressed by 2029. So we've been trying to address this as best we can. We're a smaller entity but there's a lot of programs going on in the state to try and combat this. It does seem like North Virginia got a bigger share of PFAS issues than some other places in the state. One of the things most recently, well in 2024, General Assembly passed the law tasking DEQ with convening a committee of people to try and address how PFAS is getting into water systems, mainly into source waters. They also had to develop an implement a plan of how D&K is going to look for it. Now realistically, what the General Assembly envisioned is that DEQ would go to a water intake on a stream and if there was PFAS, they would look upstream until they found somebody discharging it into a stream. That's easy to get your hands around in a surface water environment. Ground water is not like that. Nobody is injecting it into the groundwater today. What we have and it may never be proven it could be from firefighting foams if there is a vehicle fire you know decades ago road near our well. It could be from septic systems over time just migrating into the groundwater. Could be from a burry pit on a farm somewhere. Most likely we will never know. There are some ways that they can evaluate the different compounds in the groundwater and if you see a certain in, maybe it indicates it came from a certain source. But it could have been 20 years ago with no documentation of how we might not have a documentation of a vehicle fire on the road somewhere. So one of the things on here, the EQ does recognize where we're at and in their priority list, although we're far from the largest system in the state in any of our systems, DEQ does recognize that our need far outweighs our size. So in their priority rankings here, they've got on the highest priority ranking for what they're going to tackle first, Marshall, Waterloo, Bent Hill, Beilton, and actually, Dr. Kwan Reservoir, which a big chunk of our county goes into Dr. Kwan Reservoir. Going down to the moderate priority, you've got both a methyl academy, both ours, you've got more regionals ours. There's at least one other that's a privately owned entity on here. So the good thing is DEQ is recognizing our situation and is prioritizing us for what they are able to do with state funds to help find a fix. This is from last year just to refresher. The way we decided to tackle this problem, after we found the extent of what we have, we took the national cost model that was developed by one of our national associations and decided to take very high- cost estimates and apply them to our specific systems, looking at how many wells, how many wells are over the limit and so forth. Coming out of that, we came out with a very high level estimate of $44.4 million to address our needs countywide. This will of course be refined right up until we built what we need to. But for right now this is our number that we're using to plan around. So what have we done over the last year? First of all we went into every year the drinking water state revolving loan fund folks, which is also how EPA and other federal bodies channel some of the funds to the states. We applied back in May of last year for, we'll say we applied for a loan. It's very odd how you go about it in SRF funding, but we effectively applied for a $44 million loan to which they will give us principal forgiveness. So it's not a grant legally but it is in effect the exact same thing. The good news is coming out of the bipartisan infrastructure law and FY24 funds they have All for those $10 to $5.8 million. and under the FY25 BIL funds, they've offered us $5.149 million. So we're chipping away. We've got commitments on paper, $10 million towards the $44.4 million estimate. Now, a couple of catches here. These are offered on paper. We have not executed the grant agreements. Probably will not for a couple months, at least with FY24 funds. And as you've probably followed in the federal world, there's a very small chance some of this doesn't actually get fulfilled due to being part of my parts of an infrastructure law from years ago. However, our understanding looking at some of our national associations and what they're seeing out of DC, it seems to be the drinking water treatment funding is going to stick around. I don't know that I would say the same if we were asking money towards climate change solar things like that. But as far as we can tell, drinking water funding very well may come through as it was intended. With that, we also submitted at the May 2nd date, which was last Friday, we got our application in for the next years to actually, we'll say what they funded last year was intended to carry us through planning and design. This is more seeking construction funding to continue to chip away at that remaining $30 million. So we are hopeful and we will update you as this most board and how we're doing financially with it. Basically what we're talking about these are actually installations we already have across the county. A lot of people may not recognize that we actually do treatment out there in the county today. It's rather unusual that you can pull groundwater out of the ground and not have anything you need to do it. Just to give an idea of of what we already do today. Upper left, we treat for microbials with membrane filtration in Paris. In turn bowl and upper middle, we treat for arsenic. Interestingly, we found out that we also have PFAS in that system, but the arsenic removal is taking out the PFAS. And so far it's working, but it's something we will have to monitor for the future and need to make sure that we continue to operate it with two contaminants in mind, not just one. Upper right is green sand filtration that takes out iron and manganese. Lower left, smaller version of green sand filtration taking out iron and manganese. Bottom middle is in the Baltimore. takes out radium from one of our wells naturally occurring underground and on the bottom right is the built-in water plant where we filter out from microbial contamination after the earthquake a decade ago. Basically what we're looking at in the future is some of these systems will have more vessels with different media added to them and some systems that don't have treatment today will receive something that looks like one of these possibly larger vessels that either have carbon or an ion exchange media and take out the PFAS. Switching over to the actual water systems, let's talk about what we're getting into improvement wise. For right now, and this is a good topic. I know at your last BOS meeting, you would have probably adopted a resolution concurring effectively that you're part of the regional water supply planning effort that's being undertaken by the Rapphannock-apphannock Planning District. So this is the 2011 report on the left. This is what we would be updating collectively as a region over the next several years. But for right now we're pulling the numbers out of here to look at our future growth. We figure it's a nice public document. So let's just stick to the numbers here and not reinvent the wheel right now. What is in this document is the average daily demand projected in 2040 for each of these systems. We have more water systems than this, but these are the ones that are actually growing. Some member stand alone in communities that can't be expanded so we don't focus on that. We estimate at two times next day factor being that if we project the average day demand is this in the future, we need to be prepared to cover it by a factor of two for the hot day of the year. With that said, we also build the capacity around either an 80 or 90% factor so that we're not planning to run right at 100% capacity. With that being said, we're at today, if you were to look at what's in the ground, what's operational today. New Baltimore is running at about half of its ultimate build out. Built in about a third, Marshall a little over a third. Opal is less than half. Remington service district is very small on our side of the system. about a third, Marshall a little over a third. Opal is less than half. Remington service district is very small and are side of the system. Catlet and the planes are each about two thirds of their projected build out. And these are very high level numbers, but it gives you an idea of where we are and what we'll be doing long term. With that, switching over to new Baltimore. As I said, new Baltimore really began as a series of failed private systems going all the way back to the 70s. The private owners did not want to adhere to the Safe Drinking Water Act when it came out in 76. And they basically refused to comply, which is when Falkir County and WSA stepped in, took over all the failed systems, started time together and created the new Baltimore Regional Water System in the A's. In 97, there was a master plan adopted by both us and Faulkier County. It was a jointly done document across the county. And for New Baltimore, it really laid out the path of how we're going to cover demands for the next 20 plus years. And we actually marched down that path for 20 years. So in 2019, we added G4. That That was our last well over on the Kettle Run side of the system. We developed a groundwater prioritization model looking at the cost benefit of each of the next wells to bring in. We started evaluating and testing some of the larger supply wells that were targeted in that master plan for incorporation and the system. And one of the big issues, a lot of what we have in the western half of the system, has very high levels of naturally occurring iron and manganese. And that's why we get this coloration in the summertime in these systems, and we've known for years long term, it is a situation that nobody ever wanted. It came about with the failed private systems and picking up legacy situations, but we've always known we would have to address this in the future. And we started evaluating regional treatments so that we could set ourselves up for that in the future. We were on target to hit about 63% of bill not capacity with our next up grades. This was the model we looked at. This was compiling everything that had ever been looked at in new Baltimore wells that are in service, wells that had been test drilled, former wells. We've been looked at what targets were for the future and where we might be going next. This was really important when we looked at treatment because if you build treatment you want to be able to connect your future stuff to it so you don't want to build it in the wrong spot so to speak. Some of the things you might notice, the blue wells are not actual existing wells but areas that needed to be drilled in the coming years to look for future water. And what you start noticing is the blue dots are outside the county. Actually the most favorable location from the documents going back at least 20 years for the next water supply was going to be uphill from Lake Manassas, the blue dots in what's called the A area up towards the county line, northwest of 29 of the county line. You're starting to get kind of far outside the system there. So as we were marching along, bringing in the next well we owned, we had been working on our study on how we're going to address the Iron and Manganese long term. And then in March, once we took our new well to VH, they said that we've reached a threshold with the iron and manganese and we need to stop. Effectively, they directed us that they will not approve any expansion of the system until we go back and remediate all the iron and manganese. It was not required because it's not a health issue, but it's an aesthetic water quality issue. And BDH does have discretion. Effectively, we were under a grandfathering situation due to the legacy issues and the grandfathering is being removed. And we have to treat for the iron embankments. On the heels of that one month later is when the EPA came down and said they're implementing the PFAS limits at a much lower number than anybody thought. Well guess what? A new Baltimore PFAS and iron embankanese for reasons nobody understands actually coincide with each other. If the well needed to be treated for our embankmentes, it also needs treatment for PFAS, almost all the time. That necessitated advanced treatment for New Baltimore, and all of a sudden, this future regionalized treatment started getting really expensive, and not something anybody wants to deal with consequences of. So we talked to the VDH quite a bit, and they said, we like you, but we don't think you want any more treatment than you already have, and we know you're going to be in treatment, advanced treatment in other places in the county. They said, New Baltimore has gotten to the magnitude you really need to look at a wholesale connection from somebody. And they said, well, they really can't force us to do it, but they said they would do whatever they could do to help us get funding if we pursued that over treatment. And that is part of the reason we've been offered the $10 million to date. That being said, going along here, one of the other big factors, don't forget new Baltimore is growing. We're halfway to where it's going to be ultimately when the service district builds out and accordance with the planning documents. We were actually the fifth largest pure ground water system in the Commonwealth. Even though it's not a huge system, there's not a lot of large-scale groundwater without treatment in the common well. We originally had 30 small wells due to the legacy stuff. And over the past 20 years, we had worked with the county to abandon the former stuff and back 20 years ago, we'll say, is when there was a lot of joint funding and groundwater exploration to build bigger wells that are more efficient things you could afford to operate. Even with that and 13 wells we run today we average about 678 population per well and if you look at the systems that are bigger than us there's they're getting a lot more bank for the buck out of every well. And these are the good wells. What that means is we, aside from many contamination issues or treatment needs, what we're pulling out of ground on a per well basis is maybe 20% of what other people are achieving. Just due to the unique nature, not unique necessarily, but due to the specific nature of the rock underground and the Baltimore. Some systems don't have this level. Marshall is lower than this, built in a little higher than this sometimes. But what it's telling us is it's inefficient. This slide was actually put together two years ago. Since that time, the closest one to us on here in terms of population per well, the town of Benton, they decided they couldn't do it anymore and they decided to join Western Virginia Water Authority, the regionalized. That's why they're crossed off here. So we're now the fourth largest pure groundwater system in the state. But the closest thing to us in terms of size is City of Franklin, which gets at least three times the population per well. We do have some big wells, it's just that they're inefficient and these are the ones that were drilled to get rid of the prior inefficient stuff. So it's always going to be inefficient if we stick with this route. So following the state's directive, what we did is we did a call-benefit study at their request of treating it versus interconnecting. The only thing of the magnitude we could connect to is Prince William, which is about a mile and a half away from us and maybe a little bit more than that. it's 10,000 feet. Basically, we looked at three alternatives with one of our consulting engineers, treatment, basically treating everything what we have, including the next wells to come online. Going to 100% wholesale or a blended situation where we, easiest way to think of it is what if we kept the good stuff and got rid of the bad stuff and made up the difference from somebody else that already has treated water. So that's where we've been over the past several months. After the board saw the difference in cause, just briefly, treatment and 100% wholesale, neither one of those are advantageous for us. The blended system, keeping the good groundwater, getting rid of the bad groundwater, is the optimal solution. It's lowest life cycle caused by far. So, this is not something you change on a moment's notice. There's a lot of science that goes into it. One of the people we recruited to help evaluate this, if anybody remembers some of the water crises around the country, Dr. Mark Edwards, down in Virginia Tech, who led some of the famous corrosion studies, DC water, land, Maryland, places like that. A lot of people don't realize he actually does work day and day out for water systems like us. So for many months now, we've actually had samples out of our water system, a couple different wells, and samples out of Prince William's system, at a laboratory down in Blacksburg. Essentially, they sort of synthesize and create in the laboratory plumbing fittings that are representative of what may be in older homes, put those in the jar and expose into different waters and monitor the corrosion potential, and that's how we make decisions long-term of what's possible in changing water sources, and especially what chemicals we may need to add in the future to help preserve household plumbing. This is how you go about it the right way, so to speak. So essentially the blended system that's under design now, we keep the good wells, anything with the newer, good infrastructure like Robes Road, if anybody's seen the water tank over there. It's got the highest booster station for wells along the high school and Green Blow Elementary Area. Anything that needed significant treatment expense would be decommissioned. A couple of good things here. Coming out of the groundwater evaluation, we realized that if we were doing treatment, we're only treating the existing water. We would be drilling somewhere else in the future from new customers and building another treatment center over there, whether it's North and New Baltimore, South and New Baltimore, doesn't matter. However, if we build one pumping station, let's say in one pipe to the folks 10,000 feet away, we would build it big enough one time that not just the existing customers pay into but also new customers coming into the system will pay in the same infrastructure which should bring down the cost for the existing folks. It also greatly reduces the complexity of the system. or're lowering our number of pumps, electrical situations, generators you name it, lowering our number of assets tremendously. A couple of the things nobody thinks about, Polkier County actually pays in to water quality monitoring on the aqua corn. It's been this way for decades, and it's going to continue this way, but we actually do pay to monitor, well, the county does, water quality health in the Aquaman and it's part of that future integrated system serving North of Virginia. We'll actually get a benefit out of that finally and that's over 50,000 a year that goes towards that that we've never really collected a benefit from other than the fact that it lets us operate a waste water plant in the watershed. And lastly, I say on here that we do export water collectively across the county. It really does run away from the county in every direction. We don't actually trap any of it except with groundwater We're our wastewater plant discharges, you know, into the streams and so forth. We're actually going to reclaim some of that. So for years we've been harvesting groundwater, seeing it down the stream. This way we're actually going to bring some of it back into county, which is a good thing for the water balance. Rolling forward here and I'll make sure I lay time for questions but if anybody has anything jump in. Beilton we are experiencing some significant growth. I know you all are no stranger to seeing that. We expanded our water treatment plant down there. We've tested a new well. We unexpectedly as a result of the drought over the last year have just finished redrilling a well that had been in operation for 30 years and it went from 130 gallons a minute to 30 gallons a minute in the span of 30 days. We brought Emory and Garrett out there in an emergency and after a lot of effort we redrialed it basically and we're hoping that over the next few weeks we'll be permitted to recapture that through a new well. So sometimes you do take two steps forward one step back. In the process, we move to design on incorporating two additional wells into the water system. We will be drilling a future spot next to our water tower. We've also picked up another piece of property that in the future you all will see for a special exception for the next water tower in built-in and we're working on PFAS treatment. Actually one of our engineers is down in built-in today taking measurements. With what's in the pipeline right now we're pushing 50 percent of build-out capacity maybe a little bit more. One of the aspects is we are collecting water from the north half of built-in system always had been. One of the things Emory and Jarrett pointed out to us is over time after we maximize the north half of the system we may need to diversify more and start looking farther south because in some ways we're almost pushing up to a wall in the north end and might be taking water from one spot to get to another and basically need to spread out more in the future. That being said, we actually do go through a very deliberate process looking for water. Some of you may have seen this slide before but basically we do above ground work with resistivity, develop a cross section of the rock, go out and do test drilling, and draw down testing. And this is how we prove out well, it's a very expensive process, but this is how you get public water supply wells. Just what we observed and built in today, there's about 600 houses in the process today. These are already approved. 200 in box haven, miscellaneous subdivisions, 10, 20, 30 homes, Mitt Brooks got plans in for another 120. There's 160 townhouses right now in plan review. All of this is either zoning or by right. Either zoning approved or by right except there is one rezoning for 53 homes on first submission. So the demand is coming to be open and that is why we are expanding the system because we have to meet the demand. Switching over to Marshall for a minute. Most people know we worked with the developer out there to build the Cunningham water plant on the west end of town. We have a lot of work to do. We have a lot of work to do. We have a lot of work to do. We have a lot of work to do. We have a lot of work to do. We have a lot of work to do. We have a lot of work to do. We have a lot of work to do. We have a lot of work to do. We have a lot of work to do. We are in the process of adding the crest hill whales, which are on the south side of 66. That is under construction at the moment. Basically tied into cutting in water plant so that we can take out our embankanese and eventually PFAS as well. The blue wells get added to the orange wells and all five go to the water plant that was just constructed out there. There's developments still going on in Marshall. We know cutting-and we know about the Arhortons got to place up on the northeast side of Rector Town Road. We're talking to the industrial customers on a regular basis out there and there are a few more residential looking to move forward that we're aware of. In Opal, as you know, we're jointly working on the Opal water project. We started design in 2023. We processed special exception through you all in 2024. Survey and final design. We got plan approval. We went through boundary line adjustment for the tank parcel so that we're ready to carve that off. Right now in the easements and permitting phase and we've retained a local firm to handle the last couple of easements we need to tie in on the opposite ends of the system. Ideally within the next few weeks we will be in a situation to to notify you all that it's all in place and we can pull the trigger on this. That will bring capacity to OPPO, not just for connections but also fire protection which OPPO has never had before and we know that is a dire need out there in that district. Remington we are working with the developers down there to incorporate the third well in the Rimington water plant. It's a well house. We're not going to glorify it too much. But we are working with the neighboring development down there to at least finish what was started in the residential subdivision years ago. And then as we see the rezoning's March through, we'll see what happens with the future of the system, but it's very hard to predict right now. Catlet, we is very stable for us. We haven't made changes out there, have a head to. In the future, we probably will do groundwater exploration again, very similar out in the town of the plains. And lastly, what some people may see, every year or two, we actually do replace existing assets, replace water main in the street. Last year, we did porch road or a sun crest road and we bought more. This year we'll be doing porch road. And you will see us out there digging up old pipe and replacing with new pipe. If you figure something should last 100 years, then every year you ought to be replacing one percent of your system. So we actually do have to go out there and replace aging infrastructure every year. This is towards the tail end of this presentation, but quickly on the wastewater side, not to be forgotten. We have three regional wastewater facilities, two discharge into Potomac watershed, facilities To discharge into Potomac watershed or one discharge is Potomac watershed and the aqua and two in the rapid panic That's our Marshall system over the past year. We worked with the developer to put a new sewer line under I-66 That was completed and accepted in September. I want to. So now hopefully nobody noticed us out there but now there's a new sewer main going under I-66 that was tumbled under without anybody seeing it. It's something that had been on the book since 1997 and Marshall finally reached the size that the sewer line taking all the flow from the planes and Marshall service district had to go over 66 to the plant. We've also invested heavily in technology. And really, this was a quick screenshot of all the wastewater pumping stations in the planes, the three on the right. and there's four wastewater pumping stations currently, networked on the west side of, or on Marshal on the left side of the screen. But I think a lot of people don't realize, part of the way we operate today is continually trying to improve efficiency. In seven or eight years, we have not added one additional staff member to the organization. We've invested in technology to make it more efficient really bring it up to a current state. And part of that is we can now we've got a similar situation on the water side where we can see across the county almost every asset we have in terms of pumps things like that. Here we can see what's coming through every lift station or sewage pumping station at any given time. This is our Remington plant. We can see all of this onsite and remotely. How what's moving through and we can zoom in on each building and see every piece of equipment, whether it's turned on or off or if it's got in here. And basically on the left side here, if you think about it, there's a hundred of these or more, basically cabinets of industrial computers throughout the network. And we can see and track and operate remotely as much as possible about everything we have. That's been a huge initiative of ours for the past two years. We just completed the wastewater upgrade, bringing us to modern platform and now we can zoom in to just representative. This is the pump station that carries all wastewater from Opel and Beilton. We can zoom in real time on this and see, number one is all the equipment working, is anything having an issue. We can see the pump, see what's running, see how much flow we ran, and we can also capture this flow for years and be able to do better evaluations of when it's appropriate to spend money to upgrade facilities. Moving on from here, one of the next things you'll be hearing in liaison for those of you on that committee is Septage Receiving. We are the only entity in the county that receives Septage, which is every time a house is sold, the Septic Tank gets pumped out. If there's system repair inspection, it gets pumped out every five years, it gets pumped out. Alternative Treatment Units from County come here. Some wastewater plants don't process or ensolids. The solids come to us. Portable toilet, food trucks, RVs. Historically, we actually took all the setch flow from the cul pepper, Rappahannock County, down a cul pepper. We had to cut that off a few years ago once we started getting overloaded. Now we only take waste generated and fall here, but even then we're pushing up against the limit. And it's gonna need some real conversation between us and the county on where we envision septic growth in the future, meaning a number of new septic systems and how we're going to plan for this. And just wrapping up on the solid side because wastewater is not just a liquid, but it's also a solid component that gets land applied across counties in the state. We're partnered with our peers in Northern Virginia looking at the future of biosolids not just today but for the next 20 years. And nobody's big enough to handle some of this future treatment by themselves, and whether we're better partnering with others in the North of Virginia region or trying to go at a loan. So that's something we'll be talking about in the years to come. Then the last topic biosolids, short with the recent understanding of PFOS and its impact on biosolids. And I heard something coming out of the federal government the last few weeks ago that they may put a stop to biosolids distribution or put some sort of regulation on biosolids testing for PFAS before they're permitted to go out. What can you tell us about that? So briefly a couple states already have gone through this. Maine has effectively prohibited biosolids land application. North Carolina? Michigan is the one we've been looking at most recently. I don't remember North Carolina on hand. I know Michigan and Colorado have gone down this road. Maryland was in news over the last year. Their legislative session up in Maryland, a couple of the largest facilities agreed to a PFAS limit in biosolids. And then, ultimately, it turned out could not meet that without substantial investment. And the whole thing kind of tanked, but it will be back again next year. We obviously worry as a state about what's gonna come over state lines if other people start restricting. And I think there's a very high likelihood that the state will move forward restricting in the Commonwealth. It won't be an EPA move, it'll be a state move. And we, amongst our peers, are talking about how we're all going to deal with this in the future. And that is one of the concerns why we're all partnering together for a biosolid evaluation. If anybody thinks PFAS treatment of water is expensive, solids is like a whole nother level of another order of magnitude. But that's why we're thinking it's to the point that nobody would really be able to do it by themselves. And if it really came to that over time, maybe we're all better treating to a certain point at our own facilities and then bringing it to a regional facility for advanced treatment. It will not surprise me if you see regulations in the state migrating that way in the next year or so. And I will say there is an FAQ on our website about PFAS and biosolids and I'd be happy to email you all the link to it. That's great. Thank you. The other question came up at a tomac watershed round table about a month ago or so was given the fact that the average house out there household is using three to 400 gallons a day. And probably only drinking or cooking with three or four gallons a day or about one percent of their total as anybody looking at the idea of simply providing every home with a charcoal filter for their drinking water for to eliminate PFAS there has been some of that discussion in the state particularly for situations where systems are small and it might not even be anywhere close to practical to treat on even a system basis, let alone talking about the irrigation aspect. The problem is the regulations are not set up that way and it's probably not ever gonna change to where either the whole system meets under the whole system doesn't before it ever hits the house. Is that an EPA? No blockers at a state level. It's an EPA. Okay. Effectively, I have to produce compliant water and leave in the plant. It's got to comply when it hits the first customer, regardless of what that customer does on their own side. The biggest, even if it's a car wash, yes. Unfortunately, that's the case. Since there's only one water system, unless you were to do two, like you might see down in Florida or out in the west, somewhere in the deserts, for like a potable and non-potable system. Realistically around here, there's a couple of reuse examples like we provide reuse water to Odech for example, but that's one pipeline between us and them. Realistically that's what prevents you from having like a drinking water system and other systems is just the causes of the pipe. So for me to be compliant it has to meet the requirements when it leaves the plant. In a perfect world people could choose to you know have their own filters. Part of that is also an economic issue that if somebody you know aside say, the state or federal support, you want the water system to produce water that's drinkable so that people don't have to spend extra money to treat, and you also run the risk of disadvantaged populations not being able to afford to comply. Yeah, and the only way that works is if some level of government provides that for folks It it seems like it might be cheaper. I don't know. It might be cheaper than trying to treat all the water to treat one percent of it. And there are people in the state exploring it for some smaller systems where, but under those federal rules, the only way it could work is if you just came out there and said, this system's in violation, but the people drinking off of it today are drinking healthy water because they're filtering it at the tap. Realistically, there's no way you could ever get out of the system being in violation as a whole. And you run the biggest risk you run is the, we'll say, the economic challenge where you're devaluing the property because it doesn't have a comply of water system. If you had an area that wasn't growing, you could do what did they do. You could see mortgage companies stopping mortgages in certain areas. You got it. Got it. All right. Thank you. then nice very much. Was that the completion of the presentation? Yeah, I don't think I could come up with anything else to talk about. All right, well if there's enough further questions. Thank you very much. Thank you very much That was very informative and as always if anybody does think of anything don't hesitate to reach out. We'll do. Thank you Right I'm excited to announce that I will be third string chair for the remainder of our work sessions. So, hooray. Our next work session is an update from't they? So good afternoon. I am going to just do an introductory for those of you that may not know my associate. Portland Cunningham is a communications consultant with our transmission, electric transmission communications team. And the primary focus of this update will be to discuss our proposed Moris-Builder wishing star project. Once Portland has been a sure portion, our colleague Tracey Mcdonald, who is a senior citing and routing specialist, will provide some additional information. There's a large amount of information to cover. We know that questions will come up during the presentation and of course, you know, we want people to feel comfortable. But probably an interest of time if you're able to just kind of let Portland and Tracy kind of roll through their information and ask questions, they'll be more than happy to respond to them. And then if there are other projects for which you have some questions, we have a slide or two and I have some information as well in my possession. So I'll kind of fill in gaps where needed and I'm going to at this time turn it over to Portland. Thank you, Jenny. Good afternoon, everyone. As G. mentioned, my name is Portland Cunningham and I am excited to share with you an update on the project Morse school to wishing star, 500 KV and 230 KV electric transmission projects. Next slide. Bob, quickly. Do you want to click it? One moment. That's go grab that and park it on? Okay. So we initially socialized this project around this time last year and we paused our work on it to reevaluate and make some adjustments. And so those adjustments included proposing reimagining and thinking about how we wanted to construct the project at this point in time. So today we're going to provide you with an overview of this project. And my colleague, Tracing Donald, will walk you through the preferred routing as well as some alternative routing that we are potentially considering. So as many of you may have noticed, the energy landscape here in the commonwealth is rapidly changing and we as a company must be responsive to that growth. This more is real. Thank you. This board's little wishing star project will support the growing energy needs by adding infrastructure that directly impacts homes, businesses, data centers, and essential services. A key point I want to drive home here is reliability for the electric transmission grid is more critical than ever in the face of growing low demand and the dynamic and ever changing nature of the grid. This project aims to keep the grid operating effectively to ensure all customers' lights turn on when they flip a switch and as part of this process we're actively engaging with communities to ensure the benefits are shared across residential, commercial and public service sectors. Let me see if this book. Next slide. So the change in the energy landscape is being driven by three things that we're noticing at Dominion. The first is electrification. More homes, businesses, and even electric vehicles are using a lot of electricity. The second is dataification. The growth of data centers is dramatically increasing energy demand. And we know that communities are very vocal about their stance on data centers. However, whether you're four or against them, dominion is legally required to provide power to them because they are customers. The third is greenification. There's a growing emphasis on clean, renewable energy sources like solar and wind. And so our grid must evolve to meet these demands and this project is a part of that evolution. Now with that background, I like to talk a little bit about data centers. So Northern Virginia now has the largest data center market in the world. And by 2028, it's estimated that the electric grid in Loudoun County is expected to increase by more than 230% while Central and South East Virginia could see a 634% increase. To support this, Dominion Energy would need to double and quadruple the number of substations in these areas, respectively, to offer more resilient grid solutions. Portland County, interrupt with a question. Sure, no problem. You mentioned Loudoun County there and the map shows the cluster of them in Loudoun County. We all know that Prince William has probably more square footage and and wattage planned than Loudoun County currently has. Are you are you contemplating this in your calculations or is it so far down the road, but it's not in your immediate projections? I think there is consideration at this point, but as far as a detailed plan or actions that we wanna take at this juncture, I don't believe that is available at this time, but these are just projections As we look to the future. I would just say wow Now it's a lot. All right, so now with that background, let's talk a little bit about the Morrisville to Wishing Star Project. So this project will span three counties starting here in Falkier at the Morrisville substation. It will go north through Prince William County where the bulk of it will be and terminate at the W star substation in Loudoun County. We're also proposing to add an additional 230 kilowatt transmission line here in Falk here along with the expansion of the Morseville substation. And so these upgraded structures include taller monopoles. They'll be used to minimize the land impact, where expansion in the existing right-of-way isn't possible. And if I didn't mention the transmission line, the 500 kilobolt transmission line that we plan to install will be within adjacent to or near the 36.5 mile existing right away. This is an overview map for your reference of the 36 and a half mile transmission line project. A key point that we wanna make here is that when we're evaluating how to facilitate a project like this, we consider all options. So in this instance we need a 500 kilowatt line as well as a 230 to bring this level of energy to the grid and so our dedicated team of engineers, project managers, routing specialists, we look at how we can best do that and so options we always consider consider are re-conductoring or replacing the wires along existing structures, wrecking and rebuilding structures in the existing right of way, acquiring easements for new right of way, co-located within the corridor, and we always look to co-locate, or adding a new greenfield right of way. Everything that I present to you today, this is still at the very early stages, it's conceptual and we are continuously open to feedback. This is a rendering of the current morisable substation. As I mentioned a part of this project will include an expansion of the morisable substation. Currently, the footprint for the substation is 9.85 acres. And then with the expansion, it will expand to 12.31 acres. Next up, I'm going to go over some typical structures that you will see in terms of this project. So this is segment one of the plan and this segment is a little under eight miles here and fall here and it runs from the Morrisville substation to the Brister substation. And so the current corridor is 235 feet wide with two 500 kilovolt lines on lattice structures. We're proposing wrecking and rebuilding in that corridor to make room for installation of one double circuit, 500 KV line and one double-circuit 230kb line. This next section is from Brister's substation to Brister's Junction and it's about 1.5 miles. The current corridor in this segment is 240 feet wide with two sets of parallel ladder structures, a 500 KB line on the west, and 230 and 115 KB lines co-located on lattice structures to the east. In this segment we'll have a parallel, excuse me, a partial rec and rebuild, staying within the existing corridor, resulting in a relocated 500 KB line on monopoles to the west. The new 500 KB line on monopoles in the center and the existing 115 KB line and 230 KB line remaining on ladder structures to the east. Can I ask clarification on something please? Sure. All of these that you've said thus far that runs into Falker County, stay within the existing right of way. Yes. Okay. Hence the wreck and rebuild and I guess that's what you mean. Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you. No problem. Oh, sure. Sorry. This is Tracy McDonald, our siding and permitting. She's my siding and permitting team. We just want to say up to this point, yes, we're in the existing corridor. The route preferred route will shift a little as she gets a little further north. But I just want to add that it's not a surprise you when I start describing it. Would you ask for feedback? So feedback is keep it where it already is if you have that option. Well, it is co-located. I'll show you when I walk. All right, we go back. I'll let you whenever I go. All right, we go back. I like Section 2B. So this section is Brister's Junction to Vint Hill. It is about 10.4. It's about a 10.4 mile corridor. So the existing corridor in this segment is 240 feet wide with two sets of parallel lattice structures, each carrying a 500 kilV line over a 230kV line. For the most part, the proposed corridor would keep the two existing 500kV over 230kV lattice structures and add new 500kV monopoles to the east. As you can see at the bottom of the graphic, the 500 feet right of the weight on this graphic accounts for the fact that we're asking for 65 feet of additional right of way on the east as well as discrete areas of additional footage for engineering transitions. My colleague Tracy will elaborate on that a little bit later. All right. Alright, so now I will turn it over to my colleague Tracy. As you know, routing is probably one of the most important parts of this project. So I invite Tracy to walk you through the route in more detail. does. I'm just click this to go forward and that to go back. That's the point. No, no, no. Okay, so just click. Thank you, everyone. Thank you, Portland. Would it be all right with everyone if I stood by the map? Because it'd be great to be able to point at things since there's no pointer. Other than the coordinate. I can stay here and just point if it works. So what we're starting with here is an overview map. This shows the project as it pertains to Falkier County. The preferred route is going to be that black dash line down the center. Alternate routes are in pink. So we'll walk you through the preferred route first, then I'll come back and go through each alternate. So starting on the southern end, as Portland mentioned, Morseville substation, we'll see an expansion, and that's just east of Ship Store Road. This is where segment one begins, and as she mentioned, the preferred route there there and segment one is to wreck and rebuild the existing corridor that preserves space for installation of the 230 and 500 kb lines. That being said, she also alluded to engineering transitions and in case, thank you. case case anyone's unaware of what a near condition is, that is where the line configurations would move from a horizontal to a vertical configuration and vice versa. So occasionally, when that happens, it does require more space to turn those configurations. So we would have to add some discrete areas of additional right of way. Right off the bat, coming out of Moore's Full Substitution, we do have one of those engineering transitions. So to be very specific, we would be seeking to add about 3,100 square feet of corridor right at that location. So coming beyond there, you're saying you're transitioning from vertical to horizontal. Can you help me understand what that means? Sure. So if you picture, imagine a transmission line, there's usually three lines kind of in a row. And when you have a monocle, that switches to where the three lines are on the top. So even though in some areas we're going to be using monocoles, we have what's called dead-in structures that require a horizontal configuration. So occasionally we have to go back and forth. We will see some more of those transitions. As we continue north, I'll point them out along the way. So heading north east out of that location we do come to our first areas of constraints. There are two county conservation needs right here. The one highlighted in pink stripes is also a plan development, the pay it forward ranch. We don't currently anticipate any impacts to that development. And just beyond that, we encounter two more conservation eases right here. And continue heading north. The line is going to shift to a northeast direction just south of Midland Road, at which point we encountered three more parcels with county conservation easements in place, just beyond that one more county conservation easements, and that's just north of Bristol's Bird Road. On that we come up to the existing Bristol substation, this is where segment one ends, segment two A begins. So for segment two A, as Portland mentioned, we're going to utilize a partial wrecking rebuild in that area. So we will relocate one existing 500 KV line, a little west that frees up space in the center to install the new 500 line. It's a fairly short segment, comes in at 1.4 miles. In the northern end of that segment, you will notice a junction with another existing transmission line corridor that runs east west. And that is where we'll start segment 2B, where the preferred route would be to expand the corridor by 65 feet on the east. And then the new 500 line would be installed on the monocles there. So remember that 230 line terminated at bristers, so the only thing continuing is the 500. But we do have additional infrastructure as the corridor progresses north, so it changes what we're able to do a little bit. I will also point out that junction you see three more of those engineering transitions, so just want to highlight those. The thin red lines show exactly how that corridor would expand. So into segment 2B north of Bristol or north of Bristol's junction, we will come across the way to road. And then as we come up to laws for road, we encounter a natural gas facility that's already there. It prevents a corridor expansion. So that new 500 line would have to veer off the existing corridor for a little bit. It would be a 100 foot wide new corridor that would come around that gas facility and rejoin the existing corridor on the north side. So coming out of that gas facility we encounter a number of constraints back to back. Now we are at the county line here but to give you a full picture I'm going to describe a little bit into Prince Williams so you can really see what's going on. To describe these constraints right off the bat we have a Northern Virginia Conservation Trust easement, we have the Pandora Farms, wetland mitigation bank, a DHR conservation easement as well as numerous homes that are already very close to that existing corridor. The homes in particular prevent an expansion on the east. It's spinning to the west, obviously, is not ideal considering all of those constraints. So again, we would shift our approach. At this point, we would do a full rec and rebuild within that existing corridor to install the 500 line. And then it would continue on into Prince William County. And we'll point out to, again, it's in Prince William, but once you get past these constraints, we would return to a preferred route of an Eastern expansion of 65 feet. And we would continue more. So with that, again, that's the preferred route. So I will back up now and kind of walk through the alternate options. So our first alternate, which includes a potential variation, it's really one alternate that comes all around with a potential variation. So what we would do, what that would look like, is you would still have a rec and rebuild within the existing corridor for the first mile. Then we would have to bring that 2,30 and 500 line into a new corridor, which would be 150 feet wide. It would head east for about half a mile, I'm sorry, head south for about half a mile, then east about 1.7 miles. And just past Elk Run Church Road, it's going to be back up to the north and rejoin the existing corridor. The variation of that could allow us to return to the corridor after the first set ofements and leave again, alternatively use one or the other if needed. So this first variation, I'm sorry, let me back up. This route I just described, I should also point out it would impact 23 properties total. 13 of those properties have homes on them. Just to make sure I have a question. It's the only reason for this alternative to get around the one the properties with the easement. We do have to develop alternatives for that reason. Yes. Even though the existing line already runs through the middle of it. So we still like to offer alternatives. The SEC will ask for them because it is considered a constraint. And you're right. So your point about the existing corridor, technically there's a lot we can still do in there because we already have that corridor. Right. But we still have to offer alternatives, the SEC will ask for them. Typically communities like to see it too because a lot of times we get the question, well what if we don't want you going through there? What else can you do? Right. So we like to show you what the options would be. But to your point, yes, it would be to avoid those. Thank you. there. What else can you do? So we like to show you what the options would be. But to your point, yes, it would be to avoid those. Thank you. Sure. So the first variation, it's not that long, measures 1.34 miles, but it impacts 16 properties and 13 of those have homes on them. The second variation, which would avoid that second group, is 1.77 miles. It impacts six properties. Two of those properties have homes on them. And it would also come back to the existing corridor at the same location as the original alternate. Moving on to the next alternate, which to your point earlier is there for conservation needs when it's on the north side. So what that would do is leave the existing corridor right around Midland, just south of Midland Road, would head east for 1.9 miles, then it's going to turn north, and it's going to and run north adjacent to another existing 500 KV line. It's already in that location. And right after about two miles, it would shift northwest and rejoin the existing corridor. That route would impact 22 properties total. 11 of those properties have homes on them and I want to point out some major caveats to these alternatives. First one being each one creates new engineering transitions at the existing corridor. In order to leave and come back in, we do a lot of reconfiguring. So not only would we have to acquire right of way for the new corridor, it would necessitate requiring more right of way in the existing corridor where they come out and go in that we don't have under the preferred route. So that's the first caveat. Second, this conservation easement is actually still impacted. Unfortunately, this was as close as we could get to avoiding it. As you know, there are a lot of conservation easements in bulk here, and whichever way you go, you're going to run into them. This was the least impactful for an alternate, but for full disclosure, it would overlap that conservation easement by about a quarter of an acre. And the last caveat is they will likely be eliminated before we file. The reality is they create a lot more impacts. They affect more land, more people, not just in the new corridors, but in the existing corridor as well. So just want to point that out. It's still being vetted, but there's a good chance they will get eliminated before we actually file for our CPCN with the SEC. So with that, I will move to the Northern Alternate Options. And again, just to point out, the SEC is gonna ask for these, these are to avoid a number of constraints. And we recognize they are mostly in Prince William County but again they originate and fall here so we'll walk through the total that way you have a good picture. So that first alternate route is going to leave the existing corridor and remember the 230 line will have already stopped by the time we get up here. So we're only dealing with a new 500 line at this point. So on the east side, we have one alternate with a variation. So it's going to leave the existing corridor about half a mile. And then head north, avoiding all of those constraints constraints and it would come back into the existing corridor just south of a Prince William County conservation easement. The total for that route is 2.8 miles and that option would impact 16 property owners 7 of whom have homes on their property. Is that entirely within Prince William County? No, sir. So, the county line is right here? Is that going through Greenwich? It's hard to tell from these maps and the names, like, they're funny names like there's a Vintill substation that is not in Vintill. So, very, very confusing and the maps don't really provide the level of detail that help us understand where these things are. So if you could help orient us there. So if it, our roads helpful, I can point those out. Yes, yeah, roads are great. We've Velmont Grove Road right here. We have Heritage Ford Road which comes down here and I believe actually cuts across at some point but I can't really see it. Azo will drive right here. Where are we relative to the village of Greenwich? I'm not sure where that is. I'm sorry I'm not familiar with that. Laws board road right here that actually is, no? How about where are we relative to road road? Anybody have a clue where this thing is? This is Catlett. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Sorry about that. Okay. So alternatively, instead of coming back to the corridor just below that Prince William County own land we could continue that route north and rejoin the existing corridor just above Warranton Road That option is 3.4 miles total it impacts 18 properties eight of those properties have homes on them So we have the same issue that I mentioned earlier, engineering transition. It still affects people in the existing corridor, even though there's a green field route. So, going back, I'll go through the three alternate routes on the west. So starting with the first two. These are pretty short at 1.7 miles. They are our least favorite and essentially have already been eliminated. But we vetted them, we offered them so for the sake of transparency we wanted you to see what they look like. While there is enough space to safely construct them within those two lines, the reality is it creates It surrounds these homes with transmission lines, which is just not ideal turns them into islands So again, we could keep conductors a safe distance from those homes But it's just not ideal So likely that those will be eliminated The last alternate route off to the east is a pretty long option. It's 4.92 miles. It is almost entirely in Prince William County. But again, I just want to share it so you can see what's happening. So it would head east right around. The diesel would dry, it would turn north, north for a few miles, and just after Medo-Lan Lane, it starts veering back to the west and rejoins the corridor just north of the Energic Solar Facility, which is located here. So again, still creates a lot of engineering transitions. There's a good chance this particular route will also be eliminated because of the quantity of impacts it has. I don't know if you noticed on the map. It goes through a lot of wetlands. There would be a lot of tree clearing. It's much longer than the preferred route. So there's a good chance that one will be eliminated too. But, I want to share it so you see what the options look like. Does anyone want me to revisit any pages? Any questions? One other question on the southern part of the route. We had a presentation earlier today and I think it's going to be on on the generator tonight the where Marine Corps base, Quantico, it's going to be expanding their area of protection. The area they'd like to acquire easements and limit development. Do you know whether you encroach? I mean, does it need us come near that? I don't think it's close. There's a pretty big expansion. Yeah, Yeah, more. Okay. I've got a question for you. Thank you. With regards to landowners along the proposed routes, what kind of say does a landowner have if it's going to be a brand new route that would cut their property in half? How does that process look for them? So what it really looks like for them, we would come to them and say this is what we're looking to do. And then we would try and find middle ground. A lot of times people are immediately, no, I'm not doing that, absolutely not. So we try to find any way we can to work with them and find something that they're comfortable with and that still meets the electrical need. So it usually turns into a conversation where we try to find middle ground. we can't find middle ground. I'll just be perfectly blunt. We are obligated to build this. We would have to find another route. If we could not get some common ground with a landowner. Does it typically look like a monetary grand action? We do pay for the easement. Yes. Anything just to say no? So again we would do our best to find a solution to go. And if they just say no. Again, we would do our best to find a solution to work with them. If a solution couldn't be found, we would have to work around. Which would be in the government. Is that the final answer? You don't mean work around this way. You mean take it. Do it taking. Truth be told, that is an option. Condemnation on some properties is an option. But I do also mean there's potential for a whole new route. But yes, condemnation can come into play. That is a legal option. Sometimes the SEC if they dictate you have to take this route. That's terrifying. And I will say we do everything we can to avoid it, everything we can. Can I ask how valuation of that easement is determined? How is it determined to be fair? Can I lean on one of you? Because I don't work in real estate. If they don't have a good answer, I can get our real estate rep to get back to you. I would like that. I spent my career in real estate. What I typically hear from Dominion is that they are concerned with the value of the land that is directly underneath or within the easement. There's no consideration for the value for the impact of the visual impact on the adjacent land and I can't tell you the number of homes that I tried to sell that were within, I mean even within a quarter mile or half mile of a transmission line, there's a severe impact on the value of those homes and I would doubt that as you're going through a corridor that you're offering anything to the folks who can see it, you're only offering the folks within that 300 feet or 200 feet or 150 feet or whatever it might be. And I just think that is so incredibly unfair to those who have to live with it looking out their back door or on their way home. I wish that there was a way that you all could know it's fantasy, but I think it is just dead wrong that we don't compensate, that you don't compensate. Ultimately, I know that comes back to rate payers, but you're trying to find the cheapest route through to keep rate payers rates low. But it comes at the cost of the folks who have to look at this thing. And especially the folks in the southern part of the county who have really born the brunt of this for the last 20 plus years, it just seems incredibly unfair. You don't see certain kinds of developments, certain kinds of industries, and certain kinds of properties clamoring to be anywhere in view of these things. The impact is tremendous. So yes, we've definitely wanted to limit it so that you stay within or adjacent to the existing corridors, you're not damaging yet a whole additional corridor. But I do think that you, I would encourage those homeowners who are going to be impacted, hold out for all the money in the world, because it's going to cost them a fortune to run it a different direction. And if you have to go to court, go to court. I would say that value is critical and those folks are getting a one-time check and then they're going to have a devaluation the rest of the lives. We will definitely get back to you. I appreciate that. We're going to give a state person with a better answer. Thank you. Of course. Is your presentation today going to go anywhere beyond the scope of this transmission corridor? Are you going to talk about the impact of the 765 that's coming up? Yes, yes sir. You are getting there, OK sir. I'll hold off on this. We're about to wrap up more. I'm all finished. I was just going to answer questions that we had in the morning and then we should give guests the meeting. I think we can move along to wrap up more. It's about a wish. I'm going to finish. I was just going to answer questions that we had and more. And then we should discuss the next question. I think we can move along to that next question. Thank you. So everyone. So I will move through the rest of this pretty quickly so that we can discuss some of the other projects. So we do have it. We'll meet back up. We'll meet back up. I saw a lot of people in the audience taking pictures. We will make these maps and all the Alternates available on the website. We just wanted to socialize it with you all before we made that public. So it will be available on the website. But these are some visual simulations, not all of the ones that we have that will be posted to the website. We just want to give you guys a better visual of what this looks like. So this is in section 2B of the project. The top is the existing condition and the bottom is the proposed condition. So I'll just give you a minute to kind at that. All right. This is in segment one. Like I said, top is existing condition. Bottom is proposed condition. Just want to give you a good real life visual of what this may look like. And then this is, and also in segment one, near the Morrisville substation, top is existing, bottom is proposed, so that gives you a good visual of what the proposed could look like. So with that being said, I just wanna talk a little bit about undergroundounding because what Tracy presented is all overhead routing. So one of the most important and frequent questions we get is why can't Dominion put this line underground? And I want to let everyone know, Dominion has studied the possibility of making this underground project, but it's a 500 kilowatt line. I mean, that's a lot of power. And while technically possible, the study that we did found it impractical due to various challenges, including environmental impacts, construction difficulties, high cost, scheduled delays, and operational issues. Falkier is a very beautiful county with a lot of farm land. And so to put an underground route in, we would have to dig into the ground and that has a big environmental impact in terms of taking the native soil out and backfilling it with non-native soil, disturbing wetlands and possible water flow. In addition to that, if we look at trenchless construction, we'll have to have a 370-foot wide construction right-of-way and then after the fact a 300-foot permanent right-of-way. And so it's creating a lot of land disturbance. And then in terms of right away, we would essentially have to get the same clearing for right away underground. And there are gas lines, fiber optic lines, water lines that would be impacting as well. So we've explored it. And just to give you some context, there is only one other or one 500 KV line underground in the United States. It's in California, Southern California. It's about four miles long. And I think a 100 plus mile project. But I say all that to say the team working on that had unprecedented engineering and construction challenges. So it's not as easy as people think to just put a transmission line underground. There are a lot of impacts. And we have a dedicated team that studies all of the environmental impacts, historical impacts. We just want to make sure that we're being considerative of those things. That's why underground and for this project is not prudent. I've seen a lot of gas lines in West Virginia and stuff that have similar size right of ways where they'll trench, they'll dig, it looks like for about a year, and then it's a beautiful pasture, that's 300 feet wide. So I tend to disagree with that to a certain extent, because you have permanent visual impairment from the overhead, and ultimately I understand it all comes on a cost. I mean, Dominion answers to stockholders, so I get that. I would just encourage from an industry standpoint, you guys look into that a lot more because we're gonna have tremendous amount of these lines. It's gonna look like a spider web, 10 years all over Northern Virginia and the rest of the country. So just my two cents. Thank you so much for that feedback. Rappin' it up, we want to hear from the community. We want to hear from you, we want to hear from residents in Bulkhurst County. So we've made, like I said, these maps and alternate routes will be made live in our Geovoys tool. And residents will be able to go in and look at their homes, look at schools, type in addresses and see where the line falls so that they can provide feedback on that. And we do want to hear your feedback. It's a big part of the process. And so we want to make sure that we hear from you. Let's get over that. And then I also just want to say we are starting our public engagement process in person public engagement process next week. We have a community open house next Tuesday May 13th here in Falker County and Mary Walter Elementary School. It's from 6 to 8 p.m. and so we will have people from real estate, will have people from forestry, will have our routers, will have our engineers, will have our project managers, communications folks. It's a great opportunity to come out and to ask those hard and tough questions that you want answered. And obviously I will take your question back to Dominion, but it's a great opportunity to physically get your question to answer. Maps will be there. All of the visual simulations will be shown. And it's just a great opportunity to, like I said, to get in front of the people. Is that meeting specifically for the wishing star to Marsville? Yes, sir. OK. I have a quick question. It's a Speaking of elementary school, the routing, was it going any, was it going to be any closer to the elementary school or is it going to be on the opposite side of the easement? Exactly. Everything that you're doing, is the bill. Right. You don't need to do that, but it's not going to be standing all that way. Okay. for the elementary school. Maybe. Yeah. We explained a little bit. Line could, because again we're rebuilding stuff. Right. So a line could move closer to the east. Well, all right. So the existing corridor that is there now, it would stay inside of that. It would. Yeah. Places where there would potentially be a rerouting. Would the old corridor be abandoned in that right-of-way abandoned? No. So there would be lines there and in the... Exactly. Which is another reason we're not real fond of those alternate routes because then you're just creating more corridors and like he says so much better to stick where we we already are to co-locate as much as possible. But yeah, so you'd still see everything in the old corridor plus here. All right. Before I give the other, just wanna reiterate, we have an open house next Tuesday here in bulk here. if that is not convenient option for those in attendance we have two additional ones there will be an open house Thursday May 15th in Prince William and Wednesday May 21st and loud and so all of the same information will be shared but just want to put those other options out there just in case they're not convenient. All right. The next portion of my presentation just want to give you a few quick updates on some projects that I believe you guys have questions about. So the first being the 765 KB line, a Joshua Falls Teeet. So this project pretty much is still in the early stages. Hasn't been a lot of movement on this. We're still, we haven't even started detail routing evaluations. So we're just kind of in the information gathering phase and just doing our due diligence. And so once we have updates to share on this project, we will obviously schedule a meeting to come and present that to you all in terms of the 765 KB line. With regards to the bristers to Anderson branch. So we've completed phase one upgrades to the brister substation and transmission line rearrangement, coming into the station. we created some, excuse me, complete it, some civil site prep to expand the RISR substation and put up security barriers and composing the full footprint of the expanded area. Most recently, we installed erosion and sediment controls and prep for the new Anderson branch sub and the retaining walls have been poured in place and we're still feeling to kind of get that in place before we start building the fence later this summer and installing the equipment to build the new Anderson branch substation. Do any of these substations require SE approval or are they all grandfathered in existing gr. Um, I don't know the answer. I don't know the answer to that. I could find out whether or not it's grandfathered in. You know, if we could find the answer to that for us later on, I would appreciate it. It's yes. Yeah. Yes. But, till the approvals come in with some conditions and some limits and sizes and footprints, et cetera. And so the expansion that we saw going from 9 to 12 acres, that's all within the existing SE. We have a meeting on the climate issue in the center of the field. All members of the Board can meet the front. We can take the Board to work through. This is your referring to the Brewsters. The Brewsters to Anderson Branch, yes. That's a project that's approved and it's going forward. So, but I think you mentioned a couple different substations. You mentioned the Morseville expansion going from 9 to 12 acres. Is that already approved or do you need to get this? This is a proposed project. The more the morean that's here that's what we're here to yeah proposed the bristers to understand that's in progress is in progress this is an in progress meaning it so proposed meaning is not yet approved by the county we have to prove as these for substations yes okay so we'll still see that one Okay. All right. And then the last one is just the Blackwell Road Project. So we're essentially at the customers kind of holding to the customer at this point. They have not provided dominion with details on infrastructure or when you know they want to go live. So as I've mentioned with the 765 KVLIM project, once we have new information to share, we will definitely get in front of you guys to present the information. And to be clear, Blackwell Road is Amazon downtown, Warnton. Yes, sir. OK. If we can go back to the 765 from a little bit more. Sure. In rough numbers, we know that over the next decade, or maybe even less than a decade, that Northern Virginia is going to need another 10 gigs or more, perhaps, of additional power, how much can at 765 carry? In terms of the voltage? The voltage, I think, is 76565. I'm looking about how many watts? How much of that 10 gigawatt capacity that's going to be needed to run things, can we assume will be carried by that 7.65? What I'm trying to get to is this 7.65, and this one new, essentially, 500, going to carry one percent of that need, 10 percent of that need, 50 percent of that need. Okay. So I don't have that answer for you, but I am jotting it down so that I can get that information. I don't want to give you incorrect information in terms of percentage. First, I'll say, I really appreciate you all coming in. It's great to get the level of detail you share with us on this line. I would love it if we could schedule another work session with the engineers who will be able to answer those questions. I don't think it's fair to you all for us to ask you questions that you have to go ask other people the answers for. I would love to have people who know the answers. Absolutely. We spend time with us. And the kinds of questions I'd like to be able to ask directly to those engineers are, what are the projections? What will it take to get 10 or possibly 20 gigawatts of power to know the Virginia? And what are the likely, you know, what are the options, you know, do we have to wait for, like, PM says, they're waiting for your projections. And you guys say, well, we haven't been told yet what's gonna happen. So, just getting some clarity about it. We've got smart people on all sides of this thing. We can make some really good estimates as to what the demand is going to be and as to what the impact on the folks in the perimeter that aren't in Loudon and Prince William County. What is that going, what is the impact on the V? So that we know, are we to fight this battle, are we gonna be buying grenades or how it serves? We need to know just how big of a fight are we gonna have? I'd also like to add. That was metaphor by the way. No, I know it. Not coming at you guys with weaponry. Is the minion exploring locating power generation in the localities that are actually using this power? I mean, I think it's pretty obvious. Faulkier County has done a very good job over the years to maintain a very picturesque rural community. And also on that note, as we say, yes, the data centers, we are becoming part of this. But to the original question, are you guys exploring that, locating power in the places that need it? I think we're exploring all options. This is an all hands-on deck approach when it comes to producing and distributing power that will ensure the reliability of our grid. So we're exploring all options at this point because we know the energy landscape is changing and so we just want to make sure that it remains reliable to everyone that that uses the energy. Yeah, I mean it's it's pretty obvious that it's one singular industry driving all this. I know houses aren't getting less efficient for any crazy reason. Yeah, they do send it. Our major driver of energy demand. We're not, you know, I think that, I think that's a bit disingenuous to say, a major driver, they are it. They are it. They are it. And we just need to call it what it is. And anything less makes me just trust the messenger. I would like the messenger to be really forthright and say, sure, sure. Because if you look, I've sat on these seven hour long PJM calls. Everywhere else in the mid-Atlantic is going down an energy consumption. The data center alley is what's going up and it's going up at astronomical rates. So let's call it what it is. Let's not say, well, there's electrification and greenification and all those things are going on. It's data centers. And if you want to say it's the others, well, at least be, come out with some mass and say it's 2% of it is electrification or and you'd mention that this 500 KV line, part of the reason for it was the greenification, the desire to get more green. It's low growth and you know reliability. Those are the two main reasons. But I think it's also disingenuous to say that the desire to greenify, which I think objection to the word, but it's, it is, there's a state mandate to have sustainable sources. And that has nothing to do with this 500 KV line. Correct? I think it's a trend that Dominion has been seeing. So it's a part of the overall equation of what we're looking at. But to answer my question. But I don't want you to think I'm being disingenuous. Data centers are taking up a lot of, you know, they're causing a lot of demand on the grid. But aside from but aside from that, you know, the way that we are using energy is changing, you know, people moved away from propane and gas, you know, like, you know, fuel, amber. And according to PJM, that represents a blip. For sure. Everywhere else in the PJM territory, they are also electrifying and buying test laws, etc. They are also doing other things to get off of propane and go to heat pumps. They're doing that everywhere and yet the power consumption is flat or dropping in most areas. And suddenly, two years ago, about the same time that suddenly there was a data center boom, the projections went from flat or 1% to 7%, 8%, 10% annual demand increase. Let's be honest, let's call what it is, and let's get some real math behind sure. I really would like to have a serious work session where we can ask questions and get really answers. answers. And if you can bring somebody, there one of the things that is to supervise a washer's point about generations, suppose it's power generation, there's been talk for several years of small modular nuclear plants being available. And of course, if you Google and you read everything, there is available on the topic. You will hear things from, oh, they exist today, too. It'll be 10 years before you see them. And so I would love for, if you all must have experts on this question in house, if you could have somebody give us a realistic picture of what technologies are most likely to be available and when they'll be available. I've heard data center developers tell me that they think they're going to have in a few years. I've had people tell me and point articles saying it'll never happen. It's not economically viable. So I imagine you all could be more specific on that. But mostly I'd like to understand are we done with this 1765? Are we going to have 10 more of them coming down the pike in the next five years? Because we know that we're not done building data centers when I say we I mean people to our east and another question I would like to have the and having to this analysis before they come. Sure. How much power comes into Falkier County from the west and the south and how much stays and is used in Falkier County versus what is transmitted to our neighbors to the east. I have a feeling that we are the conduit more so than the user. And we've tried very hard, supervised, through washer mentioned to say no to data centers, or to limit them to make it a reasonable number. And part of the reason is we want to maintain moral high ground ground that we believe we have saying, we're not the cause of the problem, we shouldn't be the ones bearing the brunt of the solution. So if I may make a point, I, this is one big electric grid. So the grid doesn't necessarily see county lines. And I will get the answer to your questions, but the grid doesn't see county lines. The grid is benefiting all of us, and so what may be in fall here is serving fall care and other regions, but we have other regions where the energy generation is benefiting fall care. So it's one big grid for the benefit of all. That's not exactly right. The grid benefits the data centers and the data centers are benefiting. Maybe we all benefit from data centers but the revenue from those data centers is going to two counties and those are not the counties that are destroying their farmland, they're destroying our farmland to get their power and their tax revenue. Loud in County, we know we'll get a billion dollars from data centers this year. They're not offering to share that with us, but they're happy to give us their transmission lines. So I'd like to see real math and understand the real numbers. I've also got to realize too and I'm completely with you on this. Dominion Energy is just doing what they're allowed to within the bounds of the law. So our beef, so to speak, is not with you guys directly, more so than ours. We understand. At B, that give you guys the ability to do what you're doing. So, I just wanted to make that clear. No, I appreciate that. Thank you, sir. Yep, I agree. It is the system that is unfair to counties like ours. It's not you. It's not you. It's the system. And we'd like to, what I, my only be put the minion is when I can't get the answers I want. I will make sure you get the answers. I have your questions. I will make sure we get answers in front of you again. And what I really want is the people who know the answers to be standing in front of us so we can, once you get the answer, maybe we need to tweak the question and have a dialogue about it. And that's hard to do when we don't have that expert standing in front of us. I will take that feedback back to my organization. Thank you, Mr. Brodus. Yes. Thank you guys. Are there any other questions? Just want to make sure I answer everything. I think we're at a good point. Thank you. Thank you so much for your time. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. I think there's one more item that you're all we're going to update on. Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm done. Jeannie. Jeannie's up next. This is great. And thank you for living in Tracy for driving up and giving such a thorough presentation. And if I can add, you know, I think what I do want to make sure you understand all of you is that to the extent possible and I reiterated this to Janelle many occasions and I will continue to do so to the extent we can share we are sharing. We at least I can certainly speak for myself and I can certainly speak for Portland and I can speak for Tracy. The information that we have is the most up to date that we have in our hands. We do not have detailed information to share at this time on 765. We will be letting you know as soon as we do, but that is not today. So as soon as we're able to, we will, and we'll continue to share as candidly, as transparently, and as timely as we can. That's our commitment to all of you. As far as the additional note, there have been some updates to a real broadband project in Marshall district. So what I will do, I know that Chanel had these maps, they're pretty high, you know, so they're not real detail, but I'm gonna give them to you in the fridge, you can hear them all, you don't write up a copy, they were sent electronically to the floor. I also think we might have seen them with our broadband presentation earlier. So they're probably not new news. Yes, not new news. So my colleague Jeff Long did give some information on this project and wanted to prepare for any questions that you might have. Working with our ISP partner, which is all points broadband, we're constructing the middle mile fiber there so that they can use those fibers to be able to serve customers with high-speed internet services. The route that is being discussed is a long west main street from Wrecktertown Road to just south of Frost about a quarter of a mile. And at present, there are no plans to be doing any digging in the street. The work will be in the existing manholes, the duck bank that currently exists. And there would be some traffic control with the manhole to ensure that fibers pulled safely through the existing duck bank conduits. I don't know, there's not a lot more on this detail, but if you have additional questions, either a supervisor, washer or others, I'm happy to take them back to Jeff and see what I can find out for you. Good question on that. Do you have just a big timeline when you're going to be asked? Yeah, I did ask. So I knew that was going to be a question. He is indicating the target is late Q2 to the third quarter of here. Sorry, we did ask on our call that they would notify us. So we could notify the businesses on Marshal Main Street. And they would, yeah, absolutely. There's certainly advance notice you don't just show up on the door stuff as it were. And I did ask about the time frame. And he said, a Jeff said at this time, the target is three weeks for the work to be completed. Of course, those are business days. And of course, barring any emergency implement whether circumstances. So that's what I have on that and if there's anything else and I didn't even introduce myself I'm so sorry I was so eager to turn it over to Portland and Tracy for their great presentation that I didn't so I'm Jeannie Underwood if you have any questions for me? The external affairs contact representative for the Piedmont region, which covers all points west of here including Clark, Rapa, Hanuk, Warren, and Culpepper as well as Falki. I would like to end on a happier note for a way I know I'm awfully mean to you, Jeannie, and I apologize. But not a big shoulders. We, I think that our broadband, that APB this morning, showed us where we're how Dominion compares relative to some of the other partners they've worked with and they spoke very kindly of the effort that you all have made. And so we're grateful for that. And we have good people. We have hundreds of thousands of folks keeping those lights on and all conditions were very proud of those individuals. So thank you for that. We like everything about you except for those big lines. All right. Well, is there anything else that you have for me before we make our exit? I think we're good, Jean. Thank you very much. All right. All right. Thank you. And we are adjourned until this evening at 630. Thank you. Everyone on. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. 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