Aloha, good afternoon. Welcome to the 49th session of the Hawaii County Council. Today is October 2nd. And we are located here in the Healow Chambers, connected by video conference to our Kona Chambers and our remote sites. At this time, I would like to ask, Pat, excuse me, Pastor Eric Anderson, to come forward and give us our invocation. Pastor, welcome. Thank you so much. I put the cuckoo. Let us pray. The only one we ask that you would bring the information to these counselors as they meet today that they may make decisions in knowledge and understanding. We pray that you would bring Manauw wisdom so that they might perceive that which lies beyond knowledge. And we pray that the Aloha, the compassion of their hearts, might also guide their direction so that this community on Hawaii Island may blossom and grow amen. Thank you so much Pastor nice to see you. All right with that I will call this meeting to order the time is now 102 mr. Clark can we have the roll call please? Councilmember Evans. Here. Councilmember Gilema. Here. Councilmember Inaba. You know. Councilmember Coguata. Here. Councilmember Connidley Kleinfelder. Here. Councilmember Kirkowitz. Councilmember Lee Loy. Present. Councilmember Vegas. President consular V. Agus I'm sure Here I'm sure you have eight members and attendants at this time Thank you. Can you please lead us in the role of a pledge of allegiance. Thank you, Mr. Clerk. With that, we will move on. Actually, before we move on to statements from the public, I just wanted to offer from this body our sympathy and condolences to the folks out on the east coast of the continent. The damage to the area has been pretty significant many lives lost with Hurricane Helene. So I just wanted to offer our sympathy on behalf of this body. Without Mr. Clerk, we'd like to go to statements from the public. Thank you so much, Madam Chair. We'll start just noting that we have multiple testifiers at all of your sites today. We'll start with our testifier here in the Helo Chamber. Then we will go out to Co-Ocean View and then to koala and then to koana and then we'll end it all with your zoom testifier. So to start us off we have Colonel Deblouis testifying on resolution 646. Colonel, once you begin, if you could just restate your name, you'll have three minutes. Aloha, I'm Colonel Deblouis, chair of the Veterans Day Parade that's coming up on 9 November. Starting at 10, but everyone will assemble by 9 AM down by King Command me a statue. I'm here about Resolution 646-24. Councilwoman Julie Loy has submitted the latest to help us out with the parade. And I appreciate all of you for your support, for the parade, and for our veterans and the various programs that you help them with. I do follow all the funding that goes to the veteran groups. And this is a great council for in support. And I think the disaster on the East Coast, trying to get emotional. But the disaster on the East Coast, that's who's going out there, and we're honoring National Guard as our grand marshals, specifically the horror family. And that's who's going to be there in times when they're hard and difficult and impossible missions, and they're doing it now, and they're still searching for people. It's not necessarily pleasant. And I know that our veterans get people saying, thank you for your service, but a lot of times it just doesn't ring true. And this is our way, our island's way of making sure that they are truly thanked and they feel celebrated because members from all ages participate in our parade. And since COVID, we're building back to the 90 units that we had before. So it's bound to be excellent. And I hope that each one of you truly, truly consider to be part of that. Senator Lorraine Inoy has already said, I've got myself a car and I'm coming. So these are things that we celebrate that because our elected officials are the ones who are in charge. You know, the military may do things, but it's truly our civilian community that does it. And so I want to thank you again for your support financially because the parade costs now about $17,000. And I raise that mostly through private funding and our great community here. And our website currently is a challenge right now. You have the posters, but in a week it will be up. Ten years it worked perfectly and then you know figure the odds, but I'm thinking Friday, but it may be within the week. Our parade marshals, the second parade marshals for the community parade marshals is all heels. 30 seconds please. And the business parade marshals are tremendous trucking companies that support us each and every year. We are planning transportation to all the senior centers like we did for the wall that heels. So more to come on that for each of your constituents. Again, thank you for your tremendous support for our veterans. It means a lot. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, your next testifier here in Helos, Kristen Alice, and then we will go over to Marilyn in Ocean View for her testifier. Kristen, when you begin, if you could just reintroduce yourself, you'll have three minutes to provide your testimony on Resolution 630. And there you go. Aloha, my name is Kristen Alice. I'm representing Hope Services Hawaii. And I'm here in support of Communication 104344. This is Council Member Caguiwada's amendment to the H-SAC package. So the package of legislative suggestions you folks are putting forth to the state legislature asking them to pass this year. Good package. Thanks for doing that. And thank you especially to Councilmember Coggy-Watt for adding this suggested amendment, which would encourage the state to pass a homeless services fund, which would be the first permanent source of state funding for homeless services. And it would be funded through an increase in the conveyance tax, which is a sales tax on property. That's only tax when it's sold. And it would be increased. We'd like to see an increase on multi-million dollar properties. Because if you're selling a multi-million dollar property in Hawaii right now, you're probably doing okay and could contribute a little bit more toward homeless services. Currently, the state of Hawaii has a super low conveyance tax rate, really low compared to places with similar costs of living like LA, San Francisco, Seattle. And then other places with similar economies that rely heavily on tourism, like Aspen, Colorado, where they've been able to use the proceeds from this tax to build up workforce housing and build a robust housing system for the people that support that economy. This is something great that we could do here. You folks have already made the commitment to permanent fund, taking a step toward permanent funding to homeless services. You've made long-term funding through the affordable housing and homelessness fund, taking a step toward permanent funding to homeless services. You've made long-term funding through the affordable housing and homelessness fund, and thank you for that. But it's time that the state also does the same. They should be doing their fair share too, and this is one way that they can do it. So ask you to please put this bill or put this amendment into that bill. I'm going to ask for your support this year, as we also support this bill. I'll state legislature. Thank you. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair at this time, we'll transition out to our Ocean View testifier, Marilyn, if you could. Good afternoon, Council. Today we have Charmin O'Shea with us to testify on resolution number six five three dash two four. Aloha and Mahalo for allowing me to testify in favor of Ola Nui Oka-U's rare and endangered native plant and education project. I'm Sharman O'Shea from Nalehue Executive Director and CEO of Ola Nui Oka-U. Hawaii is often referred to as the endangered species capital of the world. More than 100 plant species have already gone extinct and over 200 are considered to have 50 or few remaining in the wild. Officially, 366 of the Hawaiian plants are listed as endangered or threatened. Ngaon O'ulay-Lua Historical Garden Native Plant Propagation Center is working to help prevent the extinction of Native Hawaiian plants further recovery through integrated on-site propagation and permitted by the Department of Land and Natural Resources to give cell and or received donations for rare endangered and endemic Hawaiian plants from the community. All inui Okaou in collaboration with Naohui-Li-Liwa Historical Garden and the DLNR puts us in a unique position to include effective communication and public education of the plight of Native Lora and Faman. As a part of our mission to inspire and enrich the community, we wish to provide education, raise awareness and interest in the plight of endangered rare and endemic Hawaiian plants. Their medicinal, cultural, and functional uses and offering plants to participants to help increase the likelihood of survival of the species, help reduce the rate of extinction, improve the environment, and slow climate change. We would use the funds to rent equipment for leveling prep area, purchase soil, perform soil testing, purchase soil amendments, plant seedlings, saplings, purchase supplies and such, and create printed materials for classes and advertising in Kotlou calendar, Facebook and other media, last list, I've been for volunteer meals. We hope that you'll consider our project. And if you have questions during your review, please feel free to call me 8082563193. We so appreciate you, Mahalo. Have a great day. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair at this time if we could transition to our testifiers in Kohala. Jessica, if you could take it away. Thank you. Our first testifier is Hope, Elahalani Sirmalsh. Testifying on resolution number 610-24. She is testifying on behalf of herself as well as the Kingdom of the Hawaiian Island Government. You will have three minutes when you begin. Please restate your names at the record. Go. Yes. Aloha council. Aloha Lani. Hoops or Mel. On Rezzo 61024. This is seeking to improve to better enable the public to view and track legislation and other relevant information. This is great. Cindy did this one. My Kuliana is as I spoke earlier today, the attendance at our co-halla general plan was over the top. There were so many good questions and not enough answers. But we've got a document that is in the relevant information area. Our current director planning, Zendol Kern, is an illegitimate hire. He was hired by Mitch. Planning Director has demonstrated he refuses to be guided by public testimony. Public trust has been clearly reached and Zendo multiple times already in other cases pertains to the development we asked them how much since 2020 to the present has the finance department know that they spent on this general plan. This document in front of me here says seven reasons to reject this county of Hawaii general plan for 2045. And God's precious name and his son Jesus Christ, Mahal and Nui, ho ho, pono pono. Thank you for your testimony. Next, we have Krishna DaVinci testifying on resolution number 610-24. You will have three minutes when you begin. Please restate your name for the record. Krishna DaVinci, Since we've been mentioning Hurricane Helene, I've been reaching researching this stuff for over a half century. That's why I'm there because I know too much. We've known how to dissolve hurricanes very easily by seeding the right front quadrant with silver iodide. And hurricanes are used as weather wars. And there was a big reason why it came right where it did, where there are also electronic transmitters kicking it on the path that it went. There's so much corruption in government, beginning at the federal level. And our representatives are right in our two levels, they're an engine on there. They get paid off, they get brine, and they get black now. And they're required to follow orders from Ed Bush, which I would call the deep state, the global elite deep state, whose overall agenda is to control planet Earth with maybe a thousand of the trillionaires at the top, and they have a deep population agenda that's been bringing population down from eight or nine billion to one half billion sick and slave labor. And that's what these chemtrails do. That's what GMO is doing. That's what the plan the damage was doing. It's very easy to cure COVID with Ivermethan hydroxychloroquine and sunbenazol. But the doctors were ordered to use runthesophy, which is a poisonous drug. And then they gave the victim patients metazolm, morphine, and propyl. Slaptor ventilator on the face, the patient victims went to sleep and never woke up again. But that's not nearly as bad as the clock shocks that are called vaccines. And morticians and bombers bombers that will have been calling foot long blood plots out of COVID vaccinated cadaver. And it's very clever, the way Pfizer and Moderna have been doing this, because out of, out of every 200 clock shots vaccinations, only one is the real deal. The other one 99 are salt water, saline solution so that everybody doesn't wrap over death when they get the clock shot. And everybody's been brainwashed by the fake news, which is also controlled by the global elite big state. Thank you, Pierre Testimony. Thank you so much, Chair. At this time, if we could transition to Kona with Scott, Scott, if you could introduce your testifiers, please. Thank you, Rayleigh. Yeah, today we have Rachel, Colonel Colonel Strump to be followed by Tara Compejos, both in support of Resolution 630. Rachel, go ahead and state your name for the record and proceed. You'll have three minutes. Thank you. Aloha. My name is Rachel Colonel Strump. Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to testify today in favor of resolution 630-24, which includes a bill that will expand access to licensed midwives in the future. And I'd like to start by saying I have the honor of becoming the states first licensed midwife through 4.57J. And I've served as a member of the Hawaii Tant, Homebirth Task Force. I'm currently in elder with the Hawaii Homebirth Collective, a member of the North American Registry of Midwives Complaints and Grievous Nonsense Committee, and a member of the Department of Commerce and Consumer Affairs Midwife Committee. So I've been on the ground floor of all of the work that we've done in the state to allow midwives the ability to practice and to give the families that we serve access to us. This bill that you have included in your legislation package would greatly increase the ability of our states' families to have access to midwifery care, which is really important. It allows for all of the midwives who are certified professional midwives to be recognized on equal grounds. Currently, the states bill does not allow for midwives who receive their credentialing through an apprenticeship model to seek a license. And all of the other professional vocations, electricians, plumbers, carpenters, they all have two models of education. They can do apprenticeship or they can go through schooling. And currently, the state of Hawaii has excluded all of the apprenticeship model midwives from being able to seek a license just by allowing those midwives alone to seek a license would greatly increase access to midwifery but also in 2024 we had 23 we had a lapse of an exemption for the unlicensed non-CPM midwives, known as traditional birth attendance. And they are really our backbone. They are the elders of our community. They are the teachers who taught us. And most of them were too advanced in their careers and age at the time that 457J was passed for them to comply as quickly as they needed to to get the certifications because that also was closed by norm on January 1st of 2020. So this bill will allow for the current law to be amended in a way that is more fairly representing all of the midwives in the state of Hawaii, whether they're called a traditional birth and we are really looking at the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the community and the rest of the counties follow suit with your example and also include it in their legislative packages so that we can really affect change and help our rural communities on the neighboring islands to have the care that they really need. Thank you for your time. Thank you, Rachel. for the record and proceed you have three minutes. My name is Tara Kompahos. I'm a certified professional midwife and a licensed midwife. My testimony is in support of Resolution 630-24 related to expanding access to midwifery licensure and increasing accessibility for reproductive healthcare access, especially in rural areas. Greetings, Council members. I am a Hawaii State Licensed Midwife, practicing and living in the rural district of Kauu. As a founding member of Shine Sisterhood Initiative, I also provide community health programs, including free prenatal care clinics. When a woman in Ka-Uu has to give birth, her options are limited, and depending on her specific physical or cultural needs severely inadequate. If they choose to give birth in a hospital, birthing people have to drive either to Hilo Medical Center, Kona Community Hospital, or Queens North Hawaii Community Hospital. Depending on which part of Ka-U they live in, and which hospital they choose, the drive is between one and a half and four hours. For Ka-U-O-Hana giving birth in the car, the ambulance or the parking lot and route to the hospital is commonplace. And I mean that. It happens a lot in our community. I hope I don't have to tell you that this is indicative of a failure to provide adequate access to maternity care in my community. All three of our Hawaii Island hospitals have policies against V-BAC, which is vaginal birth after cesarean section, breach or twin vaginal birth. They also have questionably high rates of cesarean section, including primate, meaning first time giving birth, C-sections. And so this essentially sentences a child-bearing woman to a lifetime of serial C-sections, a procedure which gets more dangerous each time it is performed. It should be noted that this non-V-back policy is not evidence-based. Nor is it a state law. It is hospital policy. Some of the reasons birthing people from Ka'u may choose to give birth at home or the long drive time from the hospital to the hospital. It makes a lot more sense to stay home than to give birth in the car. The desire to avoid surgical birth. Personal, cultural, and or religious beliefs. The desire for informed decision making and culturally competent care providers. I want to talk about the certifications. One of the certifications accepted for Hawaii Midwifery licensure is the certified professional midwife. to achieve this. They both require passing the same standardized examination. They require the same amount of clinical experience under a qualified preceptor. The only difference is that the portfolio evaluation process consists of self-study, which is basically home school. And the meek accredited pathway consists of going to an accredited school which costs 10 to $40,000. Thank you, Tara, for your testing money. Your time is up. Thank you. Thank you to our test if you could just reintroduce yourself. Your Honor, my name is Kristi Dward. Aloha, Chair Kimball, and Hawaii County Council Members. My name is Kristi Dward, and I am the chair of the Hawaii Home Birth Task Force, created by Act 32, 2019. I'm also the board president of the Hawaii Home Birth Collective, which has the largest voting membership of license midwives across the entire state, while also representing over 30 more birth practitioners. First of all, I'd like to thank the Hawaii County Council for their ongoing support over the past years. I'm here to testify today in full support of the draft bill that is included in Resolution 630-24, which seeks to expand access to midwifery licensure. In the past five years since the midwifery licensure program began, zero native Hawaiian midwives have achieved licensure. In February 2024, a lawsuit was filed challenging Hawaii's midwifery law on numerous constitutional grounds. Then, in July 2024, the court issued an order to prohibit the state from criminalizing Native Hawaiian traditional midwives. In the hearing, the court also found, number one, that that the programs qualified under this current law to obtain a license were a barrier to native Hawaiian traditional midwives. Number two, the court found that there are only eight meek accredited programs in the entire U.S. and that there are limited preceptors, which are teachers, available here to train students. Number three, the court also found that during the hearing, expert Melissa Sheaney testified there is no evidence to suggest that students who pursue the MEEK pathway have better clinical outcomes than those who pursue the PEP pathway. And lastly, number four, during the court hearing, Melissa Sheaney also testified that 25 other states allow midwives to become license through the portfolio apprenticeship pathway, and that it does meet ICM standards when they apprentice for over three years. to show that existing pathways currently to licensure are too narrow. They are difficult to access and that they disadvantage residents of the state, including those who are not native Hawaiian. The legislature can address these gaps raised in the lawsuit. 30 seconds. 30 seconds. In Resolution 630-24, by expanding licensure eligibility options to include the pet pathway and continuing the regulation of the traditional birth attendant. I'll be here if there's any questions and Mahalo, thank you so much. Thank you for your testimony. Zoom testifier is Ki-i Kahoh-ohano-hano to be followed by another testifier we have an ocean view. Ki-i at this time if you could unmute your mic you'll have three minutes to provide your testimony on resolution 630. Ki-i I've sent you a request to unmute if you could unmute at this time. Okay, aloha. Hello you you have three minutes if you could just reintroduce yourself and begin. Okay, Aloha, my car. My name is Keen and Neil Kalani Kahohanohanohanoh. I reside currently in Maui County. Although I'm from the big island too. Sorry, I don't know why I'm crying, but this is home for me too. And I appreciate so much that you folks are here to let us testify today. I am writing or I am testifying today in support of Resolution 630-24, which includes our bill to expand access to licensure for midwifery. Mahalo for the opportunity to share my testimony. I have been a traditional midwife practicing safely and with integrity for over 20 years in Mali County. I as a cultural practitioner and as practicing prior as a birth attendant, traditional birth attendant, just I'm the one that's affected by these laws heavily. I don't have access to do anything besides the pet program if that were available to me, but that hasn't been available to me in the time that I've actually needed it the most if I was to go that pathway. I have others that I have apprenticed as a traditional midwife and they too lack that option because of the high prohibitive costs that the maker credubation is asking for as well as the lack of preceptors. We don't have very many make accredited preceptors here in Hawaii, especially in rural areas, which I personally serve. So there are definite barriers there. I'm so grateful and I stand on the rest of my testimony that I did submit via written testimony as well. And just really encourage you folks to continue on supporting the people of Hawai'i and what our needs are as opposed to outside interests, big pharma, whoever it is that's trying to take our rights away. The integrity of that is very important. And so I appreciate you standing in that integrity. Mahalo. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, at this time, if we could transition to Maryland in an ocean view, I believe we have one more testifier there. Maryland, if you could take it away. Hello again, council. We have with us today, darling, the era. And she would like to speak on both resolution 653-24 and 654-24. So go ahead. Hello, Han. My name is Darmine Vieira. I'm a lifetime resident of Couton. I believe I sent the Public Council to resolution opposing both of them. And I believe the reason is pretty much on the letter that I sent you. And so, and help them live. Yeah, and yeah, I do oppose like getting back to the Allah-Nui or Qawu organization as well as the Nali Uthiera, because I believe as a resident, we need to do a lot of research because a lot of activities is happening as a nonprofit. And so, who are they? And stuff like that. And I pretty much have written down to all of you the reason why. And I am active, I am active person in Kuwait. A lot of, I'm active, I'm pretty much out there in Kuwait. And yes, I am when he started, I am when he started for the Kuwait history. And again, I want to raise here. And I think I feel that they need more research. Instead of passing the grant money to them, we need to really look into it. Because I pass the places every time. And yeah, it's said that we don't have not a little tera. So why are you using the t as a nonprofit and who are they? Same like Allah, Nui or Kutun. For me, it's a new nonprofit. I mean, a nonprofit organization for seven years. But the thing is, I feel everybody's to do some research. We'll just take it for granted. Get out there, get out there in the community. Look at what's going on around. I do. I'm very active. I'm so mahaoi and knee-a-le. So again, you know, Nama Kamaka, you know, take a look around, you know, come, hold, hold, hold, come, visit, come, you know, take, you know, come a whole lot, whole lot, come visit come, you know, take, you know, look the spots and stuff like that because it is important to me as a resident, lifetime residents, Hawaiian, take a ride, beat around, take a ride, it's beautiful color. And like I tell everybody, I am, come, Mahalo, thank you very much. Thank you so much for your testimony. If we could transition to Kona Scott, if you could introduce your testify. Thank you, Raleigh. Yeah, we have, today we have Robbie Singh in support of resolution 63724. It'd be fallen. 65924. Ramy, go ahead and state your name for the record and proceed. Great. Thank you for that. Aloha to all the council members. Thank you for all the things you do and the many, many things that I don't even know about. So thank you for that. I'm here on behalf of two different nonprofits. I'll speak on behalf of the Measure 637-4 first. I work on the Board of Directors of Hamago Health Center and Would appreciate the your support for the breast cancer At the the awareness funds as you all probably know, one out of every 7 to 8 women are being diagnosed with breast cancer. And of these, the highest are numbers, the highest at risk are those of native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander descent. Just FYI, I built software and worked with 200 hospitals across the United States. So I've been working on this for actually quite a while. We want to remind the community that it is really important to take the annual wellness exams and in the case of breast cancer, as you all know already, that the sooner we can find this, the better it is. And in order to take care of others, we must also take care of our communities here. We want to say that everyone should get their physical exams. So please pass the word out. My second measure I'm here is for Heather Campbell's measure, which is 659-24. I'm one of the two founders of the feeding program at the Honoka Home Vangie. So I want to take this opportunity to invite all of you or in Indian meal I'm cooking for 500 people this Friday. And if you can't show up in person, send one of your staff members and we'll send you meals home. This is a vegetarian meal that I cook on this Friday, but the rest of the Friday's, we have very qualified chefs from the White Blowhilton as well as a right-made romance restaurant who will cook non-vegetarian meals. So I'd just like to say in support of $6.59 to $24, that I worked with this program since its inception. We are roughly 50 people who get together every Thursday and Friday to produce a world-class meal. I like to call it plates of joy because it brings joy to the people who make it, the people who serve it, and the folks who eat it. And we started originally with a number of kids from the Hamakwa Youth Center, and with the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic, our numbers, which used to be 70 to 110 at the highest, went straight up to 400. And these numbers do change, but we've never dropped below 375. And in the last few weeks, we've been having a high of between 500 to 550 meals. Right now, we have an average per month of around 450 meals every Friday or 1,800 or hot meals every month. What I'd like to say is that these meals are not low-end meals in any way. They are tasty, they are 70% of plant-based ingredients, and if not 100% when I'm cooking. And we are committed to doing the best job we can. We do have a number of private donors, but we would appreciate help from the council. Every week we work as a partner with the food basket and I'd like to take this opportunity to thank our wonderful partners at the Food Basket as we are basically able to bag up and serve road groceries to the tune of between 5,000 pounds to a high of 15,000 pounds to our local communities. Our local communities were really affected in the COVID-19 pandemic, as you all know. So the larger number of meals really shows to a need in the community. We have dozens of cars lining up way before our program even starts. And they will wait for, in some cases, for an hour and 90 minutes for the program to start at 4 p.m. We would welcome your help and your partnership on this food program. There are certain grants that we know about. I'm sure that you might know of others that you can educate us about. So please feel free to call me at 757727 if you have any questions about these programs. Thank you so much. I know. Thank you, Rod. That concludes testimony. Thank you so much. Chair, your next testifier, via Zoom, is Carrie Ann Sherota, testifying on Resolution 630 to be followed by Miyako Aoki Stewart. The first time we have a meeting with the committee and the committee is going to be in the next meeting. The first time we have a meeting with the committee is going to be in the next meeting. The first time we have a meeting with the committee is going to be in the next meeting. The first time we have a meeting with the committee is going to be in the next meeting. I'm Shirota and I'm the policy director for the ACL of Hawaii. We are testifying in strong support of resolution number 63024, which endorses legislation relating to expanding access to midwifery licensure for reproductive healthcare access, especially on the neighbor islands and rural areas. ACL Hawaii supports this proposed legislation as it aligns with our mandate to advance reproductive freedom, bodily autonomy, privacy, traditional and customary rights, and equitable access to health care. Reproductive freedom does not simply mean access to abortion. Broadly speaking, it includes a person's right to make decisions relating to appropriation, contraception, abortion, IVF, reproductive health care, the manner in which one gives birth, one they choose to share the sacred moment with, and much more. Hearing Hawaii, we have a long track record of protecting reproductive freedom. Eddies is a fundamental right guaranteed by our Constitution. In 1970, Hawaii was the first state to legalize abortion. After Roe versus Wade was a return, our state legislature and the governor passed the bill that expands access to reproductive health care and protects both Hawaii health providers from punitive legal action from within or outside of the state relating to the provision of legally provided reproductive health care services. In 2019, our legislature enacted Act 32. Despite good intentions, the licensure law included exemption from midwives to practice, without a license subject to certain restrictions and with mandatory disclosures to clients. That exemption ended on July 1, 2023. In 2024, our attorney general interpreted that act as criminalizing trusted midwives, doulas, lactation consultants, counselors, childbirth educators, cultural practitioners, and even ground mothers, simply because they are not licensed under the narrow and exclusionary regulatory scheme that still exists. While ACLU Havae joins and supports the litigation by Native Juan Legal Corporation as well as Center for Reproductive Rights, we believe it is inconstitutional. Nonetheless, we believe that a legislative solution is in sight. The silver lining is that Act 32 will sunset in July of 2025. This provides an opportunity- 30 seconds please. But the legislature to enact a law that supports broad access to reproductive health care services that will remedy the stark inequities in the current statute. And I leave you with the statistic. Nationally, Native Hawaiians and other Pacific Out- people have the highest pregnancy retarded related mortality ratio amongst women of all races, even higher than African American women. This is the reality and we ask you to continue to support inclusive licensing scheme to include broad midwives and cultural practitioners for the betterment. Thank you so much for your testimony. Mahalo. Chair, your next testifier is Miyako Stewart to be followed by Poa Ole Leili Pinto. Miyako, if you could please reintroduce yourself. You'll have three minutes to provide your testimony on Resolution 630. Hello Miyako, if you could just click on the notification to unmute, you'll have three minutes. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Okay. All right. Hello, my name is Miyako Alki Stewart. I am a licensed midwife in Hawaii and a Hawaii licensed midwife licensed by Hawaii CPM. And I am testifying in support of the resolution 630-, the drafted bill, can greatly, I mean, it's supporting licensure and it's creating access to more midwives and we need more practitioners, we need more care, not less. And so this bill really supports that access and availability as well as I also have students and I, there are pathways that they wish to take that is not standardized and because it aligns with their beliefs and their traditions and practices that they wish to unfold when they become practitioners. And so in the sense of protecting the PEP process, the portfolio evaluation process, share with you that it is totally a self-guided study as well. You just get a little, you know, associates and science and midwifery letters after your name, and it's the apprenticeship, the experience that is, that creates the skill set and gathering of the tools in order to practice and offer mid-wifery care in a much needed rural setting, which I practice in Kauai. And we don't need less care. We need more care. We have less doctors. We don't even have access to specialty needs here. And everybody gets flown to Oahu. Thirty seconds please. So this bill adjusts and supports more access to midwives and those who have skills and experience and not necessarily medicalized, standardized, institutionalized, protocolized ways that already exist. And that shows the numbers in maternal mortality and morbidity, right? That's the numbers that we hear that if you consider who I part of the United States numbers, just in the numbers, it is the four of them. Thank you so much for your testimony. We're going to have to move on. All right. Chair, your next testifier is Pua O'Elai-Lipinto, testifying on Resolution 630 to be followed by Zine Dawson. I know I can't look at the full volume. Colour my if you could just introduce yourself when you begin. You'll have three minutes. Can you hear me? Yes we can. Hi, I'm Paul O'Ailly-Pinto. I'm a Native Hawaiian cultural practitioner for all of our Lumia movie since 2011 and I've been in the first world since 2000, and when I started learning, I was learning from a woman that was not a midwife of over 40 years. That was not licensed. And as she was so incredible of opening my eyes to what birth was, but I also realized that the way that she was teaching was very different than what I listened. I knew about flying points and what I was learning about flying points. And so I got my master's at researching about what Hawaiian birth practices were and it was completely different from what is currently available. And so I share this because the what is available for the meat-to-credited schools their values that they're teaching is not something that is aligned with the values of learning from Launa Paola and Lomibo and my other foreign culture and so I really am to support a please support this resolution 634 to expand who is considered qualified to help our working families. And so, you know, in order for me to re-learn these practices, it wasn't something that I was taught in my family. It was actually something that I had to go back to six generations to actually understand that I did have someone that was a Kahuna the all of our medical experts in 1867 who in that time there was a whole group of highly specialized fine healers that were actively healing Western diseases with a fine medicine and they were active about how different Hawaiian healing is compared to Western medicine. And so from that, uh, Native Hawaiian board of health was created called the called the Papua Olo, um, sorry, excuse me, it was called um, Papua Olo Hawaii,i, that was created in June 24, 1960, signed by my mother, fifth, and 1860, excuse me. And then it's not to become to use a Papa Ola Havaii who was created in 1988, but the whole reason that the Hawaiian part of Papa Ola Havaii... Thirty seconds please, thirty seconds. Was because of how different it was and so in this time I really hope that you know after the overthrow of the crying kingdom that the Hawaiian word of health was also erased as well as any support for traditional Hawaiian healers and so can you please not repeat history again and let's expand our practices not just just for foreign healers, but for anyone outside of the Western model that will meet a huge diversity of our care providers and the support legislation has to ensure that the erasure does not. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, our next testifier is Isine Dawson testifying on Resolution 630 to be followed by Alana Cora. Isine, when you begin, if you could just reintroduce yourself, you have three minutes. Aloha, my name is Azene Dawson. I am a licensed midwife and I practice on Oahu. I am one of the midwives that was trained via the portfolio evaluation process. And I chose that route because of accessibility. I'm a because of accessibility. I'm a mama's thigh and I'm also within a lower income bracket and the option for me to obtain my McWiffry certification and training through the portfolio evaluation process became the most feasible option for somebody in my circumstance. I was my training. I wanted to reiterate that it was important for me to do so and support many women in my community in Oahu, and many women have selected me as well to be their midwife despite the fact that my training was done through a certain apprenticeship model. I work alongside other midwives who their choice was to become a licensed midwife through the MECA credit in process. And despite the two different trainings, much of the work that we do is very similar. And in fact, our certifications, which I attached with my testimony, are exactly the same certification. There are 25 states in the United States that recognize this as a legitimate pathway to be free. By training included clinical skills in the presence of several other elder midwives, both license and unlicensed. And I was able to complete all of my training while living here in Hawaii. I did not have to leave the island due to the law. I did delayed by time and taking the exam and sitting for the exam. But once I was able to get clearance to take the exam, I did so and passed it with the first time. Many of my peers who have also taken the exam have also said to me if some of the challenges that they have experienced had to take it multiple times. So just to reiterate, it's not necessarily there's no difference in that it's about how you put it in the middle. 30 seconds please, 30 seconds. How you put in the work and the time is study and to become a competent and safe midwife and much of that comes along with Being able to have a support system with elder midwives who have been already practicing in this community I asked you to support Resolution 630-24 So that this pathway can be viable for many of my younger students who also would like the opportunity to be practicing license midwives here in Oatmeal. We need more advice and not more barriers to become. Thank you so much for your testimony as in they were gonna have to move on. Thank you. Chair your next testifier is Alana Koa to be followed by Margaret Reagan. Alana if you could unmute your mic you'll have three minutes to provide your testimony on Resolution 360. If you could just reintroduce yourself as you begin. Okay. Aloha. My name is Alana Koa. I reside here on the island of Maui. And I am a apprentice, a student, under a midwife that has been a midwife for a very, very long time of Kii, Kokoohano-Hano, she is my Kumo. And so what I am, so I am in the support of the bill, resolution 63024. And so to only have the meat pathway as the only option to get a midwife-relicensed is unrealistic for women just like myself here in Hawaii, the pet pathway allows our community to have an option of an apprentice position that also allows traditional practice and knowledge to be passed down, like it has been throughout the generations. This decision affects me personally as a native Hawaiian, wanting to continue these practice and learn from my Kupuna and Kulmous. The PEP process is attainable, is attainable in Hawaii, where the meek schooling is not. I am unable to become a licensed midwife if the meek pathway is my only option because of the cost and the location and based on the principle of online schooling being less effective than hands-on training. The Meek and the PeP take the same national test to get licensed. So please allow this PeP process to continue in Hawaii and support this new midwifery bill to correct all the major flaws that the currently exists within the midwifery restriction law that passed in 2019. This current law doesn't even allow licensed midwifes under the chapter to protect their full scope of practice. Mahalo so much for listening to my testimony and I please hold you consider my words when you make your final decision. Mahalo. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, your next testifier is Margaret Reagan testifying on resolution 360 to be followed by Keanu Roli. Margaret, if you could just reintroduce yourself when you begin, you'll have three minutes. Margaret, I've just sent you a request to unmute. If you could just click that, you'll have three minutes. Okay, can you take your hand now? We can hear you, but you are coming in a little choppy. Okay. I'm sorry. Is any better? Yes. Okay. Thank you for this opportunity to speak. My name is Margaret Reagan. I am a certified midwife currently residing on the island of Hawaii. I am also Secretary of the Board for the Hawaii affiliate of the American College of Nurse Midwives. It is an honor to be able to address the chamber today. It's also very encouraging to have seen and heard the testimony of many fellow midwives throughout the state. In expansion of the written testimony that is there for your review. I would recommend all Chamber members to look deeply into the content of these midwives testimony as it complex issue in support of the certified midwife specifically. I shall speak on my my own behalf. In our written testimony, we added some description of what is the certified midwife credential. We were included in Act 32 to which the bill presented before you would be an amendment. The greatest barrier that that bill placed for the certified midwife was removal of our prescriptive privileges. That was due to a lack of understanding of what is involved in the CM credential. The current bill that has been presented to you, we hope that you will support as it recognizes the full has faced over the past four years. There are reasons why I'm the only CM in all of Hawaii. And we are hoping that this bill can amend those faults. Furthermore, and we can stand in support of of SPPM credentialing based on norm standards, which include attending a Mika credited program or a portfolio process for both for the same equivalent again. 30 seconds please. Furthermore, we can support an exception for unlicensed providers and stand in support of an expansion of an exemption program based similarly to what exists in Oregon. As these are all very complex issues, we want to make ourselves available for council. The Hawaii affiliate of the American poll. Thank you so much for your testimony market, but we're gonna have to move on. Mahalo. Chair, your next testifier is Kiana Roli testifying on Resolution 630. Kiana, if you could just reintroduce yourself, you'll have three minutes. Yes, Aloha, council members. My name is Kiana Raoli. I'm testifying from Omoopio Maui. And I am also testifying by on behalf of the Pacific Breath Collective Board of Directors. And I would like to stand on the written testimony of our organization, which represents over 100 women's health practitioners across the islands, as well as over 3500 families that we've supported since 2023. Primarily in Maui County, but we do education, support, and advocacy work across the state. We are in strong support of Resolution 630-24. This Resolution supports a bill that is a community initiative and has come together with Hawaii Homebreath Collective, Pacific Birth Collective, the Hawaii Chapter of the ACNM, Center for Reproductive Rights, the ACLU, and many organizations representing the majority of currently practicing midwives across the state. There's a lot of work that's gone into this bill to make it inclusive and represent our community. And one of the issues that happened with the midwifery licensure restriction bill that was passed in 2019 was that it didn't incorporate the voices of the midwives that were going to be impacted by it in the community, as well as the families that we serve, a lot of whom live in rural communities hours away from the hospital. So I'd like to stand on Arvitt and Testimony, as well as to just give my personal testimony. Growing up on Maui, I also went to UH Manoa and studied nursing and worked as a labor and delivery nurse. I then transitioned into studying through apprenticeship without a hospital midwives. I've been attending births in the islands on Oahu and Maui County for 15 years. And I've been trying to get a license for over four years and because of the difficulty with the distance and the lack of preceptors I still have at least a year to go if I'm able to get to get the licensure program and because of these restrictions that have been put in place and the lack of 30 seconds please. The lack of protection for the birth attendant exemption. I have been extremely restricted in my practice. So I would just like to say about midwifery that is the foundation of reproductive self-care and it belongs to the community and by supporting 63024 you will allow access to licensure and culturally based midwifery care, which will support the health of women in our community. And, um, and all of the organizations. Thank you so much for your testimony, Keana. Yeah. Chair, um, at this time, I'd like to call a couple individuals in the Zoom room that we weren't able to recognize immediately. Laulani, user by the name of Laulani, if you'd like to provide testimony at this time, could you unmute and confirm that? Again, asking if Laulani would like to provide testimony. Not hearing so, I'll ask if Laura Acasio would like to provide testimony, if you could unmute and confirm that at this time. Aloha. Honorable Chair Kimball. This is Laura Acasio. And honorable council members, thank you so much for your time today. I know it's taken up quite a bit of time. I'm here to testify in favor of resolution 630 24. You do have my written testimony. I've also linked quite a few resources for you folks. And I just really want to appreciate your time and energy to champion this issue that is obviously statewide and coming from a community civics base. The original intent in the legislature preamble was very clear that the legislature would come back and convene working groups and get to the root of a lot of these access issues that we have in our rural community as well as the issues surrounding reproductive rights. Instead we've hit some roadblocks of politics and perhaps communication or miscommunication issues and so just again just really want to reiterate thank you for championing this from the ground up as I we know that you also passed a resolution. I believe it was last year or the previous year in support as well. But this particular bill has the language that is needed to really get the conversation going on and create good law. So thank you so much again for championing that. I also did want to support everyone that has come before in support of this as well and just go there sentiments and feelings. And lastly, while I am on the environmental management commission, oh, I'm so sorry I forgot to put on my video. I am here testifying my personal capacity on your promoting producer responsibility for solid waste. And I also see that the increase in access to locally produced food, there's an incredible nexus between those two. And so again, thank you for championing that for the whole state. Being that food hubs and a producer responsibility that focuses on reuse and compost is incredibly tied to expansion of our locally produced food. And so just thank you guys so much appreciate it. And I will stand on my written testimony. Well, hello for the time. Hello. Thank you so much for the testimony. And chair with that, those are all the testifiers that you have here at the beginning of your meeting. Thank you, Mr. Clerk. With that, we will go to approval of the minutes. Are there any changes or approval of the minutes. Are there any changes or amendments to the minutes of July 24th, 2024? Seeing none, the minutes of July 24th, 2024 have been approved. Just so folks can anticipate, my intention is to go in order of the agenda today with the exception of taking reports first at the beginning so if we can begin with report. Communication 1030 please. Sorry, testing it for GOEC 155, communication 1030. Chair, I'm not. Please. Chair, motion. Oh, no, sorry. I have to read it out. You had to get a point of order. the chair. Chair motion. Chair motion. Oh no. Sorry. You had to point a board. I can see. I'm doing it. You see one five five. Connecation one zero three zero. Nomination of Burke Billings lead to the Veterans Advisory Committee. Chair motion to close file and confirm the nomination of Burke buildings lead to the better end advisory committee. Motion by council member the seconded by by string about to close filing communication one zero three zero and confirm the nomination of Burke buildings lead to the veterans advisory committee any discussion? Seeing none. All those in favor please say aye. Mr. Clerk you have eight eyes. The nomination of Burke Billingsley has been confirmed. Next item, please. I have to help me out with the announcements of who may be absent. I can tell, but you have to help me. Oh, my guess. It would be Council Member Connelly, thank you, Elder. It's going to be that way. In theory, testimony for GOAC 156 communication 1031. Hearing none, GOAC 156 communication 1031. Nomination of Ken Hoyle to the Kyloovilig design commission. Chair, motion to close file on communication 1031 and confirm the nomination of Ken Hoyle to the Kyloovilig design commission. Motion to make Council Member Lee Lysa, I seconded by Vice Chair. And now about to close file in communication, 1031, and confirm the nomination of Ken Hoyle to the Kyloff Village Design Commission. Any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have eight ayes. Council Member Connelly is excused. Ken Hoyle has been confirmed to the Kyloov Village Design Commission. There's only testimony for a JuAC 157 Communication 1032. Haryne Knight, can you excuse me? JuAC 157 Communication 1032, a RIC Porter to the Fire Commission. Chair, motion to close file on communication 1-032, and confirm the nomination of Rick Porter to the Fire Commission. Motion by Council Member Lee Lysi, seconded by Council Member Glimba to close file and communication 1-032, and confirm the nomination of Rick Porter to the Fire Commission. Any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor please say aye any opposed Mr. Clerk you have eight eyes councilmember County Lee Klein Felder excused Rick Porter's nomination is confirmed to the fire commission starting testimony for a juic 158 communication 1-033 hearing on juic 158 communication 1-33, nomination of charla thamsan to the Kona Community Development Plan Action Committee. Chair, motion to close by on communication 1033 and confirm the nomination of charla. Thompson to the Kona CDP Action Committee. Charla. Charla. Charla. Motion by council member lily seconded by vice chair now, but to close by on communication 1033 and confirm the nomination of charla to the Kona Charla. Charla. Motion by council member Lee Lysi, seconded by Vice Chair. Now, but to close by in communication, one, zero, three, three, and confirm the nomination of Charlotte Thompson to the community development, um, community development action committee, any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have eight ayes, council member Coneley, in the opposed. Mr. Clerk, you have eight eyes, Council Member Kamil. You calling further excused. The nomination of Charlotte Thompson has been affront. Confirmed. Charlotte. Charlotte. Charlotte. Is there any testimony for resolution 610-24? Any non-resolution 610-24, request the direct information technology in the county clerk to improve the functionality of the county website to promote public access to legislative process seeks improvements to better name the public to view and track legislation and other relevant information and Council member, everything seconded by Vice-Terry, now about to approve Resolution 610-2 for Council member Evan. Thank you. I think we have good discussion in our committee hearing and ask for your favorable support. Further discussion? Council member Kagiwata. Thank you. Just a quick comment. We were at the Hawaii State Association of County's Conference, and somebody did bring up to us that our county finding the council members and their and their pages within our website was very challenging compared to the other counties. So I will just say that I do it but definitely appreciate this and hope we can rectify that situation as well. Thanks. How you all doing? Thank you. Any other discussion? Some of your evidence your lights still on my Simuna. Okay. Great. All those in favor? Please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Kirk, you have nine ayes. Resolution 610-24 is approved. Next item, please. Starting testimony for resolution 611-24. Hearing none, Resolution 611-24 authorizes director of finance and negotiates 65-year lease with housing and land enterprise of Hawaii County doing business as Hollywood O'Hobaii. For their purpose of development and construction of below-market rate, single-family home and tax map key 2-4-050904, for community land trust program at a set lease amount of $10 per year, allows Hollywood Hawaii to finance construct and sell the below market rate home on state lands, subject to affordability restrictions to an eligible purchaser, affordable housing and shelter purposes introduced by mystery novel by request. Move to approve resolution 611-24. Motion by Vice-Chairn Abba Secondary with Council Member Evans to approve resolution 611-24. Council Member Edoff. No discussion. Thank you. Any further discussion by the body? Council Member Evans. Yes, I wanted to invite Pete Hoffman to the table who has been spearheaded this effort and I'm understanding and hopeful it will be a model that'll move us forward for housing. So thank you Madam Chair, council members. Also good to be back and see all those smiling faces on the other side of the dice really. Thank you very much first of all for considering this particular resolution. I wish to extend the thanks to the members of the County Housing Office who have certainly been the spark behind this particular program that we have just very briefly so that we know where we are. As an affordable housing land trust, our job, as we see it, is to put a home on that for people within the 60 to 120 percent average median income. We have one home already that you've provided us in the University Heights section of Hilo. We have managed to begin construction on that lot. It's about a 10,000 square foot lot. We plan a three bedroom, two and a half bath home. It's an irregular size lot. We have the septic system in, and we've ordered the concrete and other materials in order to begin. We hope to have that home finished, well, maybe by the end of January. This also provides us, this resolution also provides us the opportunity to continue that particular program. And let me say council members, I think anyway, in the number of years I've tried to advocate for land trust as a possible solution to some of our housing issues. The program that the county has instituted in the housing office as advocated for is really a tremendous move forward. I mean there are a number of these lots that already are existent in the in the county inventory, state inventory, state-owned lands. And the idea that we can put homes on those for lands that have laid follow for 40, 50 years in existing communities is indeed a boom to our housing efforts. I also would like to point out, I think, our CEO, Miss Loretta Wickened, is in Kona. And I'd like to make sure that she has an opportunity to chime in on this. She says I grab the microphone too often. So I want to make sure I give her the opportunity as well. Loretta, are you there? There she is, yep. Hey, Emma, thank you, Pete. I know you're very shy and I don't like to speak, so thank you for letting me help. But thank you all for providing us the opportunity for another plot on which we'll be able to build an affordable home. As Pete said, we move and forward making good progress on the lot we're working in partnership for on university heights. We look forward to having that ready, hopefully, as Pete said by January. And we will move on to this new lot as soon as it is possible if it's approved. So thank you all very much. I'd just like to add, as far as the land trust is concerned, we have another home that's under construction at the moment down near volcano. And we have, we've recently purchased with assets that the land trust has a lot over in the Ainaloa area of the Pona. So we have basically four lots with this one, if you approve it, that we would be working on. And we think, as I said before, this is a tremendous move forward. And I appreciate the time and effort that the housing office is taken, as well as the council in considering this particular resolution. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Hopman. Any further discussion? Councilmember Evans, any questions, comments from the body? All right, seeing none. all those in favor of adopting resolution 611-24 please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine eyes resolution 611-24 is adopted. Thank you, again Mr. Hopper. Thank you Madam Chair. Appreciate it. Thank you all. Next item. Thank you. Is there any testimony for resolution 612-24? Hearing none, resolution 612-24 authorize acceptance of 26 portable generators in the state of Hawaii Department of Defense, Hawaii Emergency Management Agency, donation to the civil defense agency with an estimated value of $15,619.47. I'll be used to enhance the Department's local emergency capabilities and introduce Mr. Cahnley Kleinfelder by request. Chair, motion to adopt resolution 612-24. Second. Motion by Council Member Cahnley. Kleinfelder seconded by by steering. Now, but to adopt resolution 612-24. Council Member Cahnley, Kleinfelder. This is a nice opportunity for a county. It's one of them all. Everyone involved. Mr. Perry out is here to answer questions, but there was good discussion in committee. Look forward to our support. Thank you. Any further discussion? Seeing none. All those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine eyes. Resolution 612-24 has been adopted. Thank you very much for being here. There's no testimony for resolution 613-24. Hearing none, Resolution 613-24 authorizes the mayor to enter an agreement with the US Department of Energy, Office of State of Community Energy Programs, pursuant to where I was statue, Section 46-7, for granted the Office of Sustainabilityability Climate Equity and Resilience, allows to recede a $220,640 of federal e-derived funds to be used to create an energy management plan for county-of-life facilities, and to introduce Mr. Connelly Kleinfelder by request. Chair, motion to adopt resolution 613-24. Motion by Council Member Coney Lee. Kleinfelder, seconded by vice jury. Navato adopt resolution six one three dash two four. Council member county lead. Kleinfelder. Is Miss Morrison available? Or is she watching? I don't think so. She was here during committee, but. Yes, ma'am. I want to comment. I thought about this over the weekend. Not sure if it fits, but as part of an energy management plan, I remember vividly my first month. I came into this building and realized that our solar system was not operational. So, but also in driving past our Pohol police station seeing the dirt covering our panels which incredibly limits the amount of energy production up to about a third of what it could be doing if it's part of this energy management program if we're able to also make sure we're taking care of our existing renewable energy resources for our county. So putting it out there to Miss Morrison or staff if she's watching. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. Further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine aye's. Resolution 613-24 is adopted. Next item, please. Is there any testimony for Resolution 614-24? During none, Resolution 614-24 authorizes the mayor to an agreement the Federal Emergency Management Agency pursuant to our revised statute section 46-7 for grants the White Fire Department, allows to receipt a 488,722 dollars in 6-3 cents in Federal UI funds, which would be used to establish a hazard zone incident command and a control training program to provide safe, effective, and efficient energy response, excuse me emergency response operations, introduce Mr. Connelly Klein Felder by request. Chair, motion to adopt resolution 614-24. Motion by Council Member Connelly. Klein Felder second by Vice Chair Inaba to adopt resolution 614-24. Council Member Connelly Klein Felder. Good discussion, Council. Look forward to everyone's support. Thank you for being here today. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Kirk, you have nine ayes, resolution 614-24 is adopted. Thank you, Chief. For being here. Is there any testimony for resolution 615-24. Hearing none, resolution 615-24 changes time element of time fire with communications officer two positions to full time. Request adjustment to full time with the intent to reallocate the positions to provide the Hawaii County Fire Department with additional clerical support. Introduce Mr. Connelly Kleinfelder by request. Chair, motion to adopt resolution 615-24. Motion by Council Member Coney Lee. Kleinfelder seconded by Vice Chair Navajo. Adopt resolution 615-24. Council Member Coney Lee. Kleinfelder. Thank you, Chair. Noting good discussion in committees and saying Mr. Domingo here. If there are any questions, I did not have any look for everyone support Any further discussion Seeing none all those in favor please say aye Any opposed Mr. Clerk you have nine eyes resolution 615-24 is adopted. Thank you for being here Is there any additional testimony for resolution 630242? Hearing none, resolution 630-242 proves the Hawaii County Council legislative proposals and priorities to be considered for inclusion in the 2025 Hawaii State Association of Counties legislative package. into the regulation tobacco products, state land use boundary amendments, denetrification in individual wastewater systems, regulating midwife licensures, advancing the timeline providing more funding for accessible conversions, extending the county search charge or deny excise tax and regulating alcohol tourism, and 10 policy priorities relating to one, increasing funds for emergency preparedness, two, lowering the costs expanding, the ability of insurance for homeowners and businesses, three, workforce development, four, expanding access to mid-wifery licensures, five, gain management of wild ungulates, six, promoting producer responsibility for solid waste, seven, prioritizing promoting safe routes to school, eight, increasing access to locally produced food, nine, improving public safety, expanding access to mental health resources, and establishing community courts. And 10 preventing squatters and supporting communities impacted by squading. Introduce Ms. Kimmel, we have communication 1043.4 from customer regenerative for Kagiwada dated September 17, 2024, transmitting proposed amendments to resolution 630. 24 draft 2. Motion to adopt resolution 630-24. Before I accept that motion please let the record reflect that I'm going to pass the chair to Vice Chair Inaba as the introducer of this legislation. Okay thank you. 227 assume the chair would you like to make the motion? Yeah we have the motion. I didn't recognize it. Bjornu as the maker. Yes, I've motion to approve resolution 630-24122. We'll back on the member Kimball second. I've got Councilmember Lee Lloyd to approve resolution 630-24122. Councilmember Kimball. Yes, we have two amendments. I'll let Council member Kogi what I introduce hers first, but I do just want to inform the body this does need to pass through our hands today so that could go to the like HEC executive committee in time for our next meeting. It will be coming back to us after the executive committee has evaluated all of the proposals from the different councils. So just me to keep us on task. Council member, are you? Thank you. Council member Gaguato. Thank you chair. Motion to amend resolution 630-24 with the contents of communication 104-3.4. Move by Council member Caguata seconded by Councilmember Liloi to amend resolution 630-2 forward the contents of communication 1043.4 Councilmember Caguata. Thank you so much. This is a bill that the state is hopefully going to take up this year. They tried something similar last year and it didn't quite get through, but I think for our purposes, the two most important parts of this bill, so it's a conveyance tax bill, basically a bill that talks about the sales tax on selling property, real property. But they want to establish a homeless services special fund at the state level, which is kind of following in our footsteps, which would be good for us, and allow for counties to apply for matching funds from this special fund, as well as allow counties to apply for matching funds from an affordable homeowner ship revolving fund for housing projects that are subject to perpetual affordability requirement. So I think those two things would be really beneficial if the state can step in and provide some of that funding that we can take advantage of as a county. So those are the main things there are one two three four other parts to this bill. Just basically increasing the conveyance tax rates for certain properties establishing conveyance tax rates for multi family residential properties exempting from conveyance taxes from real property for organizations with certain affordability requirements, certain nonprofit organizations, and an owner occupant or renter occupant of the property. And six, the last one is allocate collected conveyance taxes to the Affordable Home Ownership Revolving Fund, Homeless Services Fund, a dwelling unit revolving fund, homeless services fund, a dwelling unit revolving fund, and to amend allocations to the land conservation fund and rental housing revolving fund. So basically, you know, to work on things towards housing are people. So anyway, looking for everybody's support. And if people have a specific comment, questions on this bill. I have the main state author of it who can come back and talk to us, she has a meeting till three, but we could table it to get representative Della Abolati on the line if we have specific questions. Looking for support, thank you. Thank you on the amendment, Council Member Evans. Yes. You know, it's always worth discussion and sending it forward all the county. Members of the H.S. can talk about it. Clearly, we just want to make sure that the counties get their fair share in that somehow one county jumps ahead of the other counties and all of a sudden we can't get their fair share and that somehow one county jumps ahead of the other counties and all of a sudden we can't get a fair share to Hawaii county so that might be something as it moves forward just to make sure that 20% you know or 40% if there's a way to just ensure that because the conveyance tax, if you think about it, especially in my neck of the woods, South Gohalla, like I've got homes that are for to $27 million in value, huge conveyance tax probably. Just want to make sure that comes back to the west side where we need affordable housing. So that'd be a way, and talk about how to make sure it gets into the community, you know, gets back on all islands. And if it makes it to the state legislature, remember Lee Loy. It's an idea. Thank you. Thank you, Councilmember Evans. Councilmember V. Agus. I'm not going to be a member of the community. I'm not going to be a member of the community. I'm not going to be a member of the community. I'm not going to be a member of the community. I'm not going to be a member of the community. I'm not going to be a member of the community. I'm not going to be a member of millions that then adds an increased conveyance tax. Regardless, I'm comfortable with supporting this, moving forward. That was just a question that came to mind. But I know how challenging it is for HSEC to then have our representatives take it to the state ledge. So in general, I'm in support, but I do have some questions about what the value of that house is because we have such inflated values of our homes right now. Yeah, so with that I yield. Thank you for the discussion. Seeing none, all those in favor of amending the resolution with the contents of communication 1043.4. Please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Nine eyes resolution 630-242 is amended. And we are, this is one time thing so we can get a way to suspend the waiver rules, rule 23. Mr. Motion to amend resolution 630-2 for draft 2 is further amended with the contents of communication 1043.13. Moved by Councilmember Kimbo, seconded by Councilmember Gullimba to amend resolution 630-2 for draft 2 as amended with the contents of communication 1043.13. Thank you. So this is an addition of an additional bill to the rather long list. The good news is it appears we may be the only county submitting a list of bills. So yay us. But it happened in the H Tech executive meeting at the conference that we had a presentation by somebody from Singapore, from the, it had been brought in by Senator Chang's office. And they were describing how the government builds affordable units and then they're made available to the local residents and blah, blah, blah. Of course, the discussion got going. Well, wouldn't it be nice when we provide these opportunities through the state or the county that we could also provide for reference? And I said, well, you know, we did that in Hawaii County. And so working with Stanley Chang's office, and I really want to mahal them because they turn this around in like three days, we are putting forth a bill that would say for 201 age projects where the county is contributing by waving some of the processes, waving some of the permitting fees, that that preference that we adopted here locally would apply, preference for residents, preference for qualified workers, preference for returning students and whatnot. And also since the county and the state are making financial sacrifices that some proportion of the units could be set aside for affordable, attainable housing for county and state workers. So kind of excited that we were able to add this to the batch because the other counties hadn't been aware of what we had done with that. So I'm asking for everyone's support. Thank you. I need discussion. Council Member Coney, any client folder? I'm glad that you mentioned Senator Chang's name because they had reached out to him about two months ago to discuss housing. Just after looking up and being interested in a few statements he had made, I found him to be an absolutely incredible resource and incredibly brilliant. I think Harvard educated. Absolutely brilliant. So I'll be supporting this and just wanted to mention that. The man is intelligent and he has a direction when it comes to housing and how it should be done. And I really agree with this statement so he makes. So definitely be supporting this amendment. Thank you. Council member, Kaviuata. Thank you. Just, yeah, I want to put my support behind this as well, that kind of surprise presentation we got from Singapore's housing specialist was really amazing and you know just underlies, underlined a lot of things that I learned by going to Singapore with Stanley Chang and learning about housing there but there were a few things I think that we can take from that that could work here or with some you know slight alterations, but this is such a good start, and I'm so glad that once again, our county is leading away on some of these things. So thank you for putting this together and I'll be fully supporting. Seeing no further discussion, there is a motion on the floor to amend the resolution 630 with the contents of communication 104 3.13 all those in favor. Any opposed motion carries 9 eyes. Chair motion to suspend our rule 23. Move back on to member Kimbo. Second, I've got council member Lilo to suspend rule, all those in favor. Any opposed? Motion carries nine eyes. And we can proceed now with discussions. So we have resolutions 630 as amended with the two communications today. Council Member Kagiwata. I just wanted to call attention to the fact that the Environmental Management Commission had some recommendations regarding this, so if everybody wants to just take a look at that, I think they made the effort here and we should take that as part of the record. Thanks. Thank you. I just have a question. Council Member Kimbo, can you walk us through the second bill in this package regarding changing ag properties to rural designation? Yes, that is a piece of legislation that was introduced last year made it all the way through until scheduling of the final committee hearing. It would create a process by which 10 contiguous partials of an acre or less could be re-designated from agricultural to rural. It would still go through the Land Use Commission, but it would be a guest no approval, rather than having the Land Use Commission be able to add additional conditions. Got it. Okay. Thank you very much. It was supported by the other planning departments on the other counties as well. Thank you. All right. All those in favor of approving resolution 630-24 draft to as amended. Please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries 9. I is passing the chair back resolution 630-24 is adopted and passing the chair back at this time. Thank you. I see a renauba please let the record reflect that at 2.30 a.m. I have reassume the chair until the next item please. Is there any testimony for resolution 637-24? Hearing none, resolutionolution 637-24, transfers appropriate and appropriation of my designated fund account, credit same to a designated fund account but a grant to the Hummacoah Health Center, Incorporated for expenses within to the ladies night out breast cancer awareness event. Transfer to $2,500.00.00. Curricuncle Services continuously for Councilor Strick 9 and credits the Public Licker Control Public Programs account, introduce Ms. Evans. I move to Proof Res resolution 637-24. Motion by Council Member Evans. Seconded by Council Member Lee Loy to adopt resolution 3 637-24 Council Member Evans. Thank you members. This is an amazing event. When COVID came, it stopped for many years. And it's nice to see it come back. And it's really a great night to highlight breast cancer and have women come. It's an educational. It brings women out. They learn a lot about breast cancer. They get pampered. They get to, you know, just have a night out to talk about this. And it is breast cancer awareness month. so I ask for your favorable support. Thank you councilmember Evans. Anyone else? Seeing none. All of those in favor please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk you have nine eyes resolution 637-24 is adopted. Next item please. Is there any testimony of resolution 638-24? Hearing none, resolution 638-24 transfers appropriates an appropriation of my designated fund account. Could it same to a designated fund account that grant to the Pied Hawaii doing business as Kohala Food Hub for expenses relating to the North Kohala Farm to Family Project transfers $8,000 of current council services continuously for Council District 9. And Credit Department liquor control by the Curckham's account introduced Ms. Evans. I move to a dot resolution 638-24. I'm going to send my council member Evans seconded by council member Lee Light to adopt resolution 638-24. Council member Evans. Thank you. I'm really happy about this project. This community, this food hub, brings together this food and then they distribute it to families and needs so they get fresh produce. The thing about this is the money is spent to actually purchase the food from the farmers. And so the volunteers and the community get together and put together the bags of fresh produce and then they deliver it to people in need. So, you know, I know we had some project like that I believe during COVID where we were supporting farmers right buying food and then distributing. And so I think it's a great project. Ask for your support. Thank you, Council Member Evans. Anyone else? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Right. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine ayes. Resolution 638-24 is adopted. Next item, please. Is there any testimony for Resolution 639-24? Hearing none, Resolution 639-24, Hearing none, Resolution 639-24, transfers appropriate and appropriation off from a designated funded concrete at St. to a designated fund account to provide a grant to the friends of the future for expenses relating to the friendly fridge rescue food program. Transfer $4,350 in the per council services continuously for council district nine. A credits department liquor control, public programs account,ce Ms. Evans. I move to a dot resolution 639-24. Motion by Council Member Evans, seconded by Council Member Leela to adopt Resolution 639-24 Council Member Evans. Thank you. This has been an extremely successful program in feeding our seniors who struggle with food security and also the homeless. And this is in Y-Mayah. And this refrigerator and what happens is there's some people that work with the local, they work with the grocery stores, they work with the chefs at the restaurants. When there's extra food, they package it up and they put it in the, if it's fresh food, cold food, frozen food, anyway, they put it in the package, an individual package, as they put it in the refrigerator and it's seven days a week and it's amazing to watch the people that come there to actually get the food. It's kind of sad, but it's also become what we believe a safe place because where they put it is out in the open, where the public can see people coming and going. And so we feel it's a safe place for people and they look like they're comfortable in going there. And I think that's been part of the success. I ask for your support. Thank you. Anyone else? St. Nen, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine eyes. Resolution 639-24 is adopted. Next item, please. There's any testimony for resolution 640-24. Resolution 640-24 transfers appropriates an appropriation of a designated fund account. Could it say into a designated fund account? To break a grant to the whole of Louis Village, O'Hanaugh, where expenses associated with its 22nd Annual music and light festival. Chester's 2,000, 500 hours of court council services continuously for council districts seven and credits department research and development, tourism promotion account, introduce Ms. Villegas. Motion to approve resolution 640-24. Motion by council member Villegas, seconded by council member Cunnelly. Clientelder to adopt resolution Resolution 640-24 council member Viagas just looking for my colleague support for a great community event in a village that is Historic and priceless to the west side Thank you any further discussion Seeing none all those in favor please say aye any opposed Mr. Clerk you have nine eyes resolution 640-24 is adopted. Next item, please. Is there any testimony for resolution 641-24? Hearing none, resolution 641-24 transfers appropriates an appropriation of a designated fund account. Credit same to a designated fund account by the grant to friends of the Children's Justice and the Interim of East Hawaii Incorporated to assist with its emergency closet program. Chancellor's $5,000, their clerk council services can do this in relief account. Council District one, and credits the Department of the Court Control for the program's account, introduce Ms. Kimball. Motion to approve resolution 641-24. Motion by Vice-Turian Abba Seconded by Council Member Lee Lloyd to approve Resolution 641-24, just as for my colleagues' support. Any further discussion? Yes, Council Member Connie Lee, Kleinfelder. This is a great bunch of ladies actually who came together to do this. I really appreciate them what you're doing. So thank you for giving to them. Thank you. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor,. Thank you. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine, aye's resolution 641-24. Is adopted. Next item, please. Is there any testimony for resolution 642-24? Hearing none, resolution 642-24. Transfer is appropriates an appropriation of a designated fund account credit same to its designated fund accounts But a grant to Pepiochial Community Development Corporation for its a law IANA community events transfers $300 600 in a court council services continuously for council Call stitch week one a credits department parks for recreation measures neither current expenses account Need to dismiss Campbell option to approve resolution 642-24. Motion by Viceroy Navasick and did by Council Member Kauiwata to approve resolution 642-24. Just as for my colleagues support. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have eight ayes, Council Member Viegas Epson,olution 642-24 is approved. There's any testimony for Resolution 643-24. Hearing none, Resolution 643-24 transfers, appropriates an appropriation of an automated designated fund account. Credit saying to a designated fund account, but a grant to a sustainable energy Hawaii for the Big Island Electric Vehicles Association's 2024 the Alapono Electric Vehicle and Sustainability Fair. Chester's $200,500 of the clerk council services continuously relief account, council district 2, and credits to the Department of Research and Development Energy Account, introduce Ms. Kagiwata. Chair, motion to adopt resolution 643-24. Motion but I Council Member Kaguata seconded by Vice-Trade. Now but to adopt resolution 643-24. Council Member Kaguata, thank you. Just looking for your support as I'm trying to support the electric vehicle and sustainability fare. I want to invite everybody to the October 19th event at the Prince Gauhioplaza where people from the community and auto dealers will have electric vehicles and hybrids out there for people to check out and talk to people about as well as other information inside them all around sustainability. So hope you can all come. Thank you looking for your support. Thank you Council Member Coggy-Wat of anyone else. All of those in favor please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk you have eight ayes. Council Member Villegas excused. Resolution 643-24 is adopted. Next item please. Is there any testimony for Res resolution 644-24? Did you sign up? Sorry. You have a permit? Good afternoon, Council. Malia Kekai, I'm not here in my official capacity. I'm here in support of Kuon Nui Nui and their in outgrow inclusive prom. I am the chair of their board. And so I just wanted to say thank you guys for putting this forth and I thank you for supporting this organization. We aim to create a safe space for all ages but especially for our youth in this place and create a space that a lot of us didn't have it. We were younger, so I appreciate your support and funding our organization for this great event. We have members from, sorry, I should just look at what I was given. Yeah, the notes. Here we go. Sorry. We're inviting all-hoi Island high schools. And we're going to provide an MC, music, dancing food. And just, like I said before, the purpose is really to provide a safe space for Mahu and queer youth to flourish and enjoy living as their authentic selves. We have plenty of community members Kaumecki, Waiakea, and other high schools, and also faculty members from various high schools as well that are involved. So thank you very much, and thank you for the support. Is there any additional testimony for resolution 644-24? Hearing none, resolution 644-24 transfers appropriates an appropriation of a designated fund account. Could it same to a designated fund account to grant to a cool, annoying new egg to support its inaugural inclusive prom? Transfer $4,850 of Clerk Council Services continuously relief account, Council District 2, and credits to the Department of Legal Council Services continuously relief account, Council District 2, and Credit to the Department of Liquor Control, Public Programs account, and introduce Ms. Caguata. Motion to adopt Resolution 644-24. Motion by Council Member Caguata, seconded by Council Member Glimba, to adopt Resolution 644-24, Council Member Caguata. Thank you so much. Just very happy to support this inaugural event to create a problem for teens who might not otherwise feel included in their high school prams. And like Maria said, just happy to support this for Mahu queer youth LGBTQIA youth and it looks like it's going to be a great event they're going to be able to provide outfits for teams who don't have access to that hair and makeup support it's going to be really fun so yeah just looking for all your support. Thank you so much. I yield. Thank you, Councilmember Kogiwata. Any further discussion? Councilmember Kahneli, you client-belder? I just wanted to thank Councilmember Kogiwata for doing this. Kua Noi Noi is a, was actually amazing nonprofit and I think it, it's important to know how much courage it takes for a deputy director to come in and say what she said and do what she's doing at that that nonprofit so I just wanted to say that. Ma'ala. Thank you Council Member. Anyone else? Seeing no further comments all those in favor please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk you have eight ayes's. Councilmember V. Agas, excused resolution for 644-24 is adopted. Next item please. Is there any testimony for resolution 645-24? Hearing none, resolution 645-24, transfers appropriates an appropriation of a designated funder concrete at St. To a designated funder would grant to friends of the Children's Justice Center of Eastaway Incorporated to assist with its emergency closet program. Transfer $5,500 for the Council Services contingency relief account, Council District 2, and Credit's Department of the Control, Public Programs account, and introduce Ms. Kagiwata. Motion to adopt Resolution 645-24. Motion by Council Member Kogi-Lata, seconded by Council Member Lee Lai to adopt resolution 645-24, Council Member Kogi-Lata. Thank you. So happy to see some of my colleagues, Council Member Kimble and Council Member Kirkowitz also contributing to this great organization, the Friends of the children's Justice Center of East Hawaii. You know, their emergency closet program really is so important to the community as far as having a place where children and youth can get just basics like their clothes, backpacks, things they might have had to leave at home because of an emergency situation or a bad situation at home. So just really happy to be supporting this and looking for everybody's support. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you council member. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine, aye's. Resolution 645-24 is adopted. Next item, please. Is there any testimony for resolution 646-24? Hearing none, resolution 646-24 transfers appropriate and appropriation of a designated fund account. Criticine to a designated fund account, credits aimed to a designated fund account, Twitter grant to the Big Island Resource Conservation and Development Council to support the 2024 Hawaii Island Veterans Day Parade. Transfer's $1,000 of per council services continuously for CO, CO, District 3, and Credit to Department of Public Control for the Chrome's account, to introduce Ms. Liloi. Chair, motion to approve Resolution 646-24. Motion by Council Member Lee Loy. Seconded by Council Member Glimba to adopt resolution 646-24. Council Member Lee Loy. As for my colleague's support. Thank you. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine eyes resolution 646-24 is adopted next item. Please. Is there any testimony for resolution 647-24? Hearing none, resolution 647-24 transfer is appropriate. It's an appropriation of a designated fund account. And could it say into a designated fund account to grant to the Kohala Heritage Center for its expenses relating to its public educational center. Transfer $6,000 that clerk council services continues to relieve account, Constitutional District 9. It credits to the part of liquor control public programs account, introduce Ms. Evans. I move to prove resolution 647-24. Motion by Council Member Evans, seconded by Council Member Glimba to approve resolution 647-24. Council Member Evans. Thank you members. This has truly been a labor of love over two years. Pro Bono volunteers, fun raising. It took a real heavy lift to take a very, very old building, which was a bond, the bond, the state public library, and totally renovated and they're opening it up. And it's now a public education center for the public and for the community. It will talk about the history of North Kohala and be a wonderful place, you know, for all ages to come and enjoy. So thank you for your support. Thank you, Council Member Evans. Any further discussion? for all ages to come and enjoy. So thank you for your support. Thank you, Council Member Evans. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor please say aye. All right. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine ayes. Resolution 647-24 is adopted. Next item. So any testimony for resolution 648-24? Hearing none, resolution 6448-24 transfers, appropriates an appropriation of a designated fund account, credit scene to a designated fund account funded by the grant to the North Caholic and the Resource Center, participates as relating to the Caholic Unipotent Program, transfers $2,570.40 from the Clerk Council Services continues to leave account, Constable's Agnign, and credits the Department of the Control and Public Programs account Inc. Ms. Evans. I move to dot resolution 648-24. Motion by Council Member Evan. Seconded by Council Member Lilo. To adopt resolution 648-24. Council Member Evans. Thank you. I feel very blessed to have the Kailapa Homestead community and the district of North Kohala and they have worked together to put an after school program together for elementary and middle school kids at the very INA based and they take them on the land and they teach them a lot about fishing and the care of the land and growing on the land. And I've seen the kids and it's very kind of reminds me of a STEM program in a way, because they truly teach them so much about biology and cause and effect. But it's from a Hawaiian perspective. And so it's a great program. And thank you. I'm asked for your favorable support. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine ayes, resolution 648-24 is adopted. Next item. Is there any testimony for resolution 649-24? Hearing none, resolution 649-24 transfers appropriates an appropriation of a designated fund account and credit same to a designated fund account to it at grant the NOLI with theater for the third annual law shirt festival transfers $2,000.00 on Kirk Council services, contingency relief account, constitutional strict four and credits to part with the Kirk control public programs account in reduced miscargoids. Chair, motion to adopt resolution 649-24. Thank you. Motion by Council Member Kirkowitz, seconded by my voice. Dr. Nava to adopt resolution 649-24 Council Member Kirkowitz. Thank you, Chair. So stoked that Shell Pahiniway reached out to let our office know that she would be coordinating this third annual festival. I don't know if you folks know, but at one point, garment manufacturing was the third largest export industry behind sugar and pineapple. And there were so many different manufacturers and tailors across the state, but really significant ones here on Habeite Island, including Kamehameha garments and Evelyn Margolis, which turned into Helo Hattie. So excited that there's going to be a celebration of vintage garments and contemporary designers. So folks have time and are in the West Hawaii area. I believe the exhibit and festival are happening this week Friday and Saturday at the Kwon Outviker looking for everyone's support. Thank you. I think I just want to comment, okay? It's just wonderful. This Loha shirt and the garment industry that we've had in Hawaii, it is truly has a huge history and if you're ever at UH, Manoa, they have a garment, they actually have a program to still teach design and the making of garments. And it's a continuing tradition that just keeps going. And so I just wanted to point that university gets it and they keep it going. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Any further comments? Seeing none, all those in favor please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine eyes. Resolution six to four, 649-24 is adopted. There's no testimony for resolution 650-24. Hearing none, resolution 650-24 transfers appropriate an appropriation of a designated fund account. Could it seem to a designated fund account but a grant to the island of Hawaii, YMCA, for its East Hawaii Family Visitation Center program. Transfer $6,500 to the Kerr Council Services continuously for Council District 4 and credits the Office for Office of Prosecuting Attorney, other Kerr Expenses account, and to do so with Kerr Quits. Chair, motion to adopt Resolution 650-24. Thank you. Motion by Council Member Kerr Quits, I'm not sure if I can still remember Kirkwood's seconded by Vice Chair Inava to adopt resolution 650-24 council member Kirkwoods. Thank you chair. I always make it a point every year to dedicate some of our office's contingency funds to supporting the YMCA because they operate a really critical family visitation center for families in East to what East are looking for everyone's support on this critical measure. Thank you. Thank you council member. Anyone else? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Kirk, you have nine eyes. Resolution 650-24 is adopted. Please do not have any tests. Money for Resolution 651-24. Hearing none, Resolution 651-24, transfers appropriate and appropriation of a designated fund account and credit same to a designated fund account to grant the Hawaiian Volcano Education and Resilience Institute to support the digital resilience against disasters for island communities training program. Transfer $7,000 of her council services continuously for Council District 4 and Credit Department of Career Control for the program's account in Schismas Kirkowitz. Chair, motion to adopt resolution 651-24. Motion by Council Member Kirkowitz. Seconded by Council Member Glimba to adopt resolution 651-24. Council Member Kirkowitz. Thank you, Chair. So this is a new program. The Hawaiian Volcano Education Resilience Institute or HVARI was founded by a few folks that started Hawaii Tracker, which was born out of the volcanic eruption and the need to communicate directly to community during times of disaster. And so over time, Philip Ong and Dane Du Pant have really dedicated themselves to empowering individuals to communicate virtually and give them tools so that they can, folks in their community, can directly communicate to their constituents using digital platforms. So they've developed a digital resilience against disasters for island communities training that they are going to be offering folks island-wide. So, dedicating a pretty significant portion of CRF funding to this, but I think it's so important as we face more natural disasters, emergencies on our island equipping residents with every possible tool to stay in touch, so that we can support each other and folks can be supported if there is a need. Looking for everyone's cuckoo one this one, thank you. Thank you Council Member. Anyone else? Council Member Evans, yes. Yes, I'm very supportive and actually intrigued that they want an island wide network of digital resiliency hubs. So is this going to be in any way working with the resilient sea hubs through vibrant Hawaii, or is it just kind of a different, and they see a digital resilience hub kind of network going on on its own? I'm just curious. Sure, if I could quickly respond. HVari is part of the Vibran Hawaii resilience network. They are also very much working closely with the civil defense agency and supporting folks that may not be part of the Vibran Hawaii network e-network but are still interested in supporting communities during times of disaster. Okay. Thank you. You got the bend diagram there. All right. Any further comments? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine, aye. Resolution 651-24, is adopted. Next item, please. This is Ernie Test, money for resolution 652-24. Hearing none, resolution 652-24, transfers, appropriates an appropriation of a designated fund account. Credit same to a designated fund account, so add grant to the friends of the Children's Justice Center, East Wing, incorporated to assist with emergency closet program, transfers $5,500 with current council services, continuously for current council district four and credits to part of the current control but the program's account is used as curcowitz. Chair, motion to adopt resolution 652-24. Motion by Council member Kirkowitz, seconded by Vice Chair Inaba to adopt resolution 652-24, Council Member Kirkwoods. Thank you, Chair. Really honored to be joining you and Council Member Kagiwada in supporting this important initiative. I mean, just breaks my heart knowing that our kids are often placed in these really traumatic situations, lives upended, and they're having to be uprooted out of their home, their sanctuary, their safe space with nothing. And so the emergency cause it just provides them with, you know, betting, clothing, a teddy bear, things that they need to, you know, safely transition to a secure space. So looking for everyone's support. And if folks do have additional CRF, this is a very worthwhile cost to support. Thank you. Thank you, Council Member. Anyone else? Seeing no further comments, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have eight aye's, Council Member Evans. Excuse resolution five, sorry, six to five, two to four is adopted. Next item. Please. Sorry, testimony for resolution 653-24. Hearing none, resolution 653-24 transfers appropriates an appropriation of a designated fund account. It's aimed to a designated fund account to the grant to Illinois, Oka-U for its rare and endangered native plant education project. Funds for $5,000, our core council services continuously really have a council district six, and, the Court Council Services continues to really account Council District 6 and Credit Department Research and Development. Agriculture Other Current Expenses Account introduced Ms. Glimba. Chair, motion to approve Resolution 653-24. Motion by Council Member Glimba, seconded by Council Member Lee Loy to approve Resolution 653-24 council member glimba. Thank you. Just asking for my fellow council member support on this project. It's at a historic church site, a ruins of a site in Kauu. It's one of those programs that were active previously and now trying to bring it back. Any further comments? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have not. 8 ayes, Council Member Evans, excused. Resolution 653-24 is adopted. Is there any testimony of Resolution 653-24 is adopted. Is there any testimony for resolution 654-24? Hearing none, resolution 654-24 transfers appropriates an appropriation of my designated fund account, credits a designated fund account to add a grant to Naleo Theatre to assist with expenses for its 2024 Law Shirt Festival. Chancers, $2,500 a per council services continues to leave the council district eight at Credit Department Control Public Programs account in Chdu Smith, Sri Naba. Move to approve resolution 654-24. Okay. Motion by Vice-Chairing Naba, seconded by Council Member Conquist to approve resolution 654-24. Vice-Chairing Naba. Again, just want to invite the public to attend. There are free and paid parts to this event, but a lot of good things to partake in starting tomorrow through October 6th at the Outreger corner model. Thank you. Any further conversation? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Quick, you have nine ayes, resolution 654-24 is adopted. Next item, please. Is there any testimony for resolution 655-24? Hearing none, resolution 655-24 transfers appropriate an appropriation of the designated front account. Could it say into a designated front account? Could it grant to the 12-step Ohana Club of Kona Incorporated to assist with expenses for its recovery meetings. Transfer $4,000, their clerk council services continuously relief account, council district 8 and credits the public control public programs. Motion by Vice Chair Inaba. Seconded by Council Member Lilo to approve resolution 655-24. Vice Chair Inaba. Yes, thank you. There are some programs throughout the West Side offering this type of service to community to support in recovery and abstaining from the use of illegal substances. And this new organization is going to be operating out of the old, before my time people, people refer to it as the old e-clips. It's also across from the island grill on the mouth beside of Kool-Kinni. So I want to just highlight that as a community resource and this resolution will support kind of the general operation and cost related to hosting these navings throughout the week. So ask for your support. Thank you, Council Member Inaba. Any further comments? Seeing none, all those in favor favor please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Crook, you have nine eyes. Resolution 655-24 is adopted. Next item, please. There's any testimony for resolution 656-24. Here you are. Resolution 656-24 authorize the acceptance of the donation of a scoreboard with installation to the Department of Parks and Recreation. The donation from Westside Hawaii Little League with an estimated value of $11,000 would be installed at the William Charles Lunarito playground in Caluacona. Introduce Mr. Connelly Kleinfelder by request. Chair, motion to adopt resolution 656-24. Second. Motion by Council Member Connelly. Climate Builder is seconded by Council Member Vegas to adopt Resolution 656-2-4. Council Member Connelly, climate builder. Thank you. This was way to Council to expedite the donation. We have... You want to give us a little background? Not even waiting. I was watching. What is the year for? I saw more commands. I figured you should at least give us a little bit of background since you've been waiting for patient. Charmaine Felipe, business manager at Parks and Recreation. Thank you, Charmaine. Yeah, so the background on this is the, we like to give a big shout out to the West Side Hawaii Little League. They put a lot of time and effort into improving the buffial that they use and they have donated or want to donate this old school type of scoreboard. Like Mo put it, he said it's like the little rascals type scoreboard. So that will be very interesting and welcoming to the buffial. Awesome. Thank you for that. And then yeah, I think sending our appreciation to the West Side Hawaii Little League group. And I thank you for being here. Chair, are you? Thank you. Councilmember, Councilmember Piagra. Yeah, I also want to chime in and send out a huge mahalo to Mr. Nicodemus Mount and the organization of people he's been working with with the West Hawaii Little League. They have just transformed that ball field and added so many amazing features. Something really interesting, which I thought kind of the beauty of returning to prior baseball equipment is what they found is by going to the higher tech scoreboards. There invariably gets a short circuit or rain damage or something like that and has to be replaced, doesn't last long enough. And so returning to this cool old school system, there's something about the ceremony and the culture of baseball with putting up the numbers as we go. And I don't have the list of all the sponsors that worked with Westway Little League, but there are a number of different businesses and organizations that put in the money and the resources to enable and facilitate. Also just a quick mahalo to Antinacole Liu put in the money and the resources to enable and facilitate. Also just a quick mahalo to Antinacole Liu who came out and did the blessing that day for the ball field on a last minute notice. So community effort bringing into fruition a really beautiful park. So mahalo. Thank you. Anyone else? All right. Seeing no further comments. All those in favor? Please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine ayes. Resolution 656-24 is adopted. Next item, please. Is there any testimony for Resolution 657-24? Hearing none. Resolution 657-24 transfers appropriates an appropriation of a designated fund account, credits aimed to a designated fund account, which assists with the partner recreation, with expenses for various special projects and events held on Hoi Island. Transfer is $38,070 in the court council services, continuously relief account, council district three and credits department and parks recreation, administration of the current expenses account introduced Ms. Lila. Chair motion to approve resolution 657-24. Motion by Council Member Lila, seconded by Council Member Kaguata to approve resolution 657-24. Council Member Lila. Thank you. I'm actually going to take a little bit of time on this one. This is pretty much the rest of my contingency funds. And first of all, I want to thank my staff who just put it all together to the chair and her staff for kind of bending a few rules so I could get it on this agenda. And then of course to Park's Department and Shermie, who who's our new read over there getting all the people work done. You know last budget cycle we had put in some money for signature events for things like Chair Blossom Festival, Downtown Hall, La Lea and Mary Monarch and this year we didn't do that but we also didn't spend down all of our vi-vi grant monies, which is why we ended up with a little bit of extra. And so figured this is how I was going to retool it back into the budget. It is geared for those signature events as listed on the resolution like Marmonic, KWXX downtown Hoola, Laolea, Iron Man, whatever the needs were for Parks Department. But I do have a request and for Council Member Kirkwitz, this actually comes from Antiluana from our Mermonic Festival. If you could just continue to champion that the funds get spent for her and that program. And then of course to Mr. Kanye Lee, Klein, Filter, and our KWXX family, that he's incredibly close to Chris actually, they know that there's this money, but if you could also continue to champion that, because I would be around when these programs are coming up. So urging my colleagues to support these programs along with just keeping a post on the parks department and I'm sure Shermin or Brad or business office will definitely help spend down the money for those programs. Ask for my colleague support. I yield. Thank you Council Member Lee. Any further discussion? I will just say we'll also continue to support the awesome athletes race, which is another one that we always went in together on. And folks, we are counting down the days now for Council Member Lee-Loye. All right. All those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine, aye. Resolution 657-24 is adopted. Next item, please. There's only testimony for Resolution 659-24. Resolution 659-24 transfers appropriate it's an appropriation of a designated fund account. It's aimed to a designated fund account to a grant to Honakal Honwagi Mission for its beating our KK Uncle Puno Program, transfer $10,000 of Kerr Council services continuously for Council District 1 and credits the part research and development, business development account, and introduce Ms. Kimble. Chair motion to approve Resolution 659-24. Motion by Vice-Chairing Nba, seconded by Council Member Lee Loy to adopt resolution 6.5.9-24. I'll just take a moment to suggest that you guys all take advantage of Ravi's offer to have one of his Indian vegetarian meals. He is a phenomenal cook. Let me just tell you. But in all seriousness, this program has been going since the pandemic. They have not stopped since that time. Providing food every Friday for on the order of 400 to 500 people. It is really, really phenomenal and just ask for everybody's continued support. It is really just really impressive what they've been able to pull off all this time. So, yeah, thank you. Any other comments? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine eyes. Resolution 659-24 is adopted. Next item, please. Certainly, testimony for resolution 660-24. Very none. Resolution 660-24. Transfer is appropriates an appropriation of my designated fund account. Credit scene to a designated fund account to grant the food basket incorporated for the purchase and installation of security cameras at various properties to assist its agricultural suppliers in console district six transfers $7,844 in credit council services continuously of account Constitutes six and credits Department of Research and Development Agriculture other credit expenses account and introduce Ms. Glemba Chair motion to approve resolution 660-24. Motion by Council Member Glimba, seconded by Council Member Cuckiwata to adopt resolution 660-24 Council Member Glimba. Thanks. This is in support of the food basket and their efforts to support food producers around the island and I asked for some help in getting security cameras for food producers and I know how important that is and we use them on our ranch as well to try and discourage activities so hope asking for my colleague support. Thank you council member gl, any further discussion? I'll just add that this was something that we are supposed to put so many towards last year and it has been very, very effective. So any of you that have rural communities where agricultural theft might be an issue, you might want to consider this partnership as well. I myself am probably going to do a second round. It's just been so effective in the Hummlequah area. So thank you Council Member Glambe. I think this is a great way to support our local farmers. All those in favor please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine eyes. Resolution 660-24 is adopted. Next item, please. Mr. Testimony for Resolution 661-24. Hearing none, Resolution 661-24, it transfers appropriates an appropriation of my designated fund account. Credit St. to a designated fund account to provide funds to the Office of Management for the Sisters City Program. Transfer $6,700 of Clerk Council Services continue to serve the Council District 3 at Credit Office to the Office of Management for the Sisters City Program. Chester $6,700 of court council services continue to serve the Council District 3 and credits the Office of Management, Marison Retainment Account and Judis Miss Leole. Chair, motion to adopt resolution 661-24. Motion by Council Member Leole, seconded by Council Member Dullinba to approve resolution 661-24. This is it. This is the end of my contingency money. Well, my half anyway. And, you know, we just came off of a beautiful weeklong visit with our friends and family from Hatsukaichi. And I actually wanted to give Mr. Inaba an opportunity, because he and I had the privilege and honor of traveling to Hatsukaichi in April when we actually signed the sister city agreement along with, we're actually kind of third to the relationship here because they already have relationships with our chambers. And so this really was a nice rounding out of having business and the economic piece along with the government piece. For this sister city, but happy to support this and all of our sister city programs and ask for my colleague support, I yield. Thank you, Council Member Leigh Fistcher. Thank you briefly, just wanted to, you know, maybe encourage the administration to take a good look and I look forward to our annual report on our sister city relationships because it gives us an opportunity to see which other relationships we might want to try and bolster up. We know some of the connections have annual events like Iqaho and I was able to attend a trip there this year, but there are some like Walea and that we just found out about and there may need to be more resources to try and bolster up that connection and foster those relationships. I also just want to point out when we go to some of these places, they really take care of us and are such wonderful hosts. And we try to do the same so I know that these funds will try to fill in the gaps where we can attempt at least to provide the same level of hospitality That they do show us when we visit their places. So totally in support. Thank you. Council Member Lee. Thank you council member inapa anyone else All right seeing none all those in favor please say aye any opposed Mr. Quirk you have nine, aye. Resolution 661-24 is adopted. If we can go to bills for first reading. Is there any testimony for bill 184 draft two? During none bill 144 draft two amendments, chapter 22, article two, and article three, other way, county code 1983, 2016, a medic relating to the use of county streets and establishes special activity permit for commercial activities. Supporters of process obtain a special permit and regulations conduct temporary commercial activity on a county street and increases fees from $25 to $50 for any permit issued for the lawful use of county streets introduce Mr. Enaba and Ms. Kirkwoods. Move to adopt Bill 184 draft to first reading. Second. Motion by Vice-Chairinaba. Seconded by Council Member Kirkwitz to adopt Bill 184 draft to at first reading. First reading. Approved at first reading. Vice-Chairinaba. Thank you. I have amendments. I move to amend Bill 184.2 with the contents of communication 944.6 Okay motion by vice-chair now but to amend Bill 184.2 with the contents of communication 944.6. Seconded by Council Member Kirkwoods. Yes. Thank you. This amendment, one of the concerns expressed by community regarding this bill was the high fine rate, especially for those who might not be aware of this new permitting and even though it's currently illegal they felt that $1,000 fine was kind of steep so we're just including the $250 fine instead of mass for your support. Thank you. Any further conversation about this item. The amendment. All right, seen none. All those in favor? Please say aye. You get posed. Mr. Clerk, you have eight IELs. Council member, county legal client, voter excused. Bill 184, draft two is amended. Thank you, motion to amend bill. Further amend bill 184. Prior to your motion, Mr. Namba, Iamba, I don't think Miss Evans is present. She was back here as said, the vote was taken. She was dodged now, but she was in the room for that. Okay, motion to amend Bill 184 with the contents of communication 944.7. Right. Motion by Vice Chair Inamba. Seconded by Council Member Kirkwitz to amend bill 184 draft 2 as further amended with the contents of communication 944.7 Thank you. This amendment before you reads that any person conducting commercial activity permitted by a special activity permit who feels to keep that permit posted and available for inspection by the chief of police or by the director of DPW, which will be subject to a fine of $250 as well. And we want to make sure that it is really easy for both DPW and police to see if people have a permit or not. And we did have some discussion with police and DPW. We feel this is the cleanest way and that will be very clear to any permitties that they need to display it. And it's visible for the public and for enforcement. Ask for your support. Thank you. Any further discussion on the amendment? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say hi. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have eight eyes. Councilmember Evans excused. Bill 184, draft two is further amended. Back to the main motion by Sherry Neva. Council Member Villegas. Yeah. I've been really struggling with this one as we've talked about a bit, honor that the rest of my colleagues see some value in this, but after some conversations with community policing and just a lot more questions have surfaced. Also, you know, the timeframe of when the request for this legislation came forward was more from community members and small vendors that were operating at the time, which nobody will deny was a challenge when the state came in and said, please move people off of vending off the state highways. Of course, it fell to our county police department. My understanding is that since then, people have found other locations to vent that aren't on our public roadways. I just, while the intentionality of the legislation, I believe is for the utmost good. I believe that this would cause more harm than good. We have shopping centers that have parking lots that work with vendors to do activities and markets. We have, in fact, the other day I was driving by one of the gas stations in Kona, and they have an agreement with a food truck that is always there in their parking lot. So there are private property and other facilities that we've even opened up our county parks for farmers markets. So I just see this. I also have concerns for DPW and police because there are potential opportunities for too many loopholes. And I just think we're creating for the potential benefit of a few vendors who aren't participating in brick and mortar and aren't working with private property people that we're creating a format and utilizing public spaces without, it'd be nice to say that you guys can and will handle all of it, but I have concerns about that with the already expansive workload and other things. So I apologize to the makers, but in the grand spectrum of things, I also recognize, you know, and I'll just humbly say District 7 is already maxed with the issues. And I, because this is a very populated area that everybody's driving through, I know that there will be one of the spots potentially would be right there in District 7. I just have a lot of concerns about this. So I would humbly ask the makers to reconsider this legislation and it's need to happen versus what I'm understanding through conversations with community and other departments is that an issue that has really already resolved itself. My vendors finding other places. And I suppose I also have faith in our police departments, ability to recognize whether or not somebody on the side of the road selling some mangoes intermittently is really an issue that they need to interact with or if that's something that is it's a small occurrence. If as long as everybody's safe, then it would be okay. So I'm just humbly asking for that reconsideration. I know you put a lot of time and effort into this, but I just am afraid that it's gonna do more harm than good and has the potential to be manipulated and utilized and cause bigger issues than necessary. So just my humble request, I yield. Thank you, Council Member Vegas. Council Member Kirkowitz. Thank you, Chair. Thank you so much for that. Council Member Vegas. Councilmember Kirkowitz. Thank you, Chair. Thank you so much for that. Councilmember Vegas. Councilmember Inaba and I put this bill for in response to the state's crackdown last year of roadside vendors. It's currently illegal to vent on the side of the road. And this bill attempts to begin to solve for that issue. It merely creates a framework, a process for someone to apply for that issue. It merely creates a framework, a process for someone to apply for a permit. We've also created a process where any member of this body can engage their communities, their districts, to identify roads, county roads that are most appropriate for this activity. I agree with you. It would be great if folks could just vend in parking lots and other spaces and we've passed legislation that would allow for these activities and farmers markets. These venues may not be available in every single community, so this provides a pathway. If it's not the right fit for your district, we don't got to add anything for Kona. But I do think it's important to give other members of this body the opportunity to work with their communities, to work with public works and police to identify where it is appropriate. And I think with the amendment that was just passed by this body, where there is some sort of visual placard that is displayed by the vendor. Makes it a lot easier for county officials to be able to enforce and understand who should, who has permission to be there and who needs to be told to pack up and go and apply for a permit. So I, I really think we've done a lot of really great work in partnership with public works and police to address concerns and just looking for everyone's support to create the framework. Again, it's going to be up to council members to work with public works and their communities to identify what roads may be most appropriate to allow for vending. Thank you for your kind consideration. I yield. Thank you, Council Member Kirkwoods. Council Member Connie Lee, liveholder. Just a brief comment. Thinking about the enactment of this ordinance. Actually, the effect of the lab on people doing this, but not knowing that it's illegal, or acting on behalf of the thought that they don't know it's illegal but as this goes into effect upon its approval I just wondering if the makers want to provide it two months or a three month window so we can broadcast that to the community, sort of doing it now doesn't get nailed with the fine. This is the thought for the folks in the community doing things that they may or may not know. Where's illegal? Like, we discussed with our short-term vacation rentals this morning. Knowing something, not knowing something, will still equal them having being fine for an illegal activity once we pass this. So just put it another to the makers, if that's an option or if you've thought about that. Thank you, Council member, but it's your number. Yes, I just wanna point out, the code currently says it's just illegal. There's whether it's mangoes or a full barbecue restaurant on the side of the road. It's illegal. This is creating that framework and without this, there's just technically, we're supposed to be enforcing it right now. So again, the framework that we're creating here just allows for us to take up location by location if this body chooses. And that's after review by the Department of Public Works and the police department. We have to get their review and their feedback before we can take action on submitting any location to be eligible for a commercial vending permit. So yeah, technically, we should be finding them right now. It's no different. We're gonna create that way for people to be able to do it and do it legally and not be fined. Thank you. You, Listeri Nova, tell some of her lila. Oh yeah, thank you. From the jump, I was always like this is going to create, you know, kind of a commercial space without even going through the process. And I said that from the jump, but I will applaud the makers of this bill. They really convinced me and provided me a deep understanding as mentioned. It's currently illegal and if we truly want to help businesses, small businesses, just to get a little bit of a head start to test out their products, this is the way to do it. On top of which, yes, hellow planning spaces, planning parks, planning beaches, planning parking lots, but other very rural areas don't have those opportunities and I want to be able to create that equity for small businesses in those world districts. And that's why I'm in support of this bill. I like the guardrails, I like the process. It's one year that they get a permit. And maybe their business model works and they're on to a brick and mortar or they're off to a farmer's market. Whatever it is, I like where this is going and finally I was absolutely convinced in walking back to our sister city program. Over in Japan they have the Michi no ikis, these little roadside vending places where all of the goods from that prefecture is in this roadside market. And that's how so many small businesses and farmers get started. And all I could think about is exactly this bill and that sister city visit. And that's really what convinced me. Let's just try and give them an opportunity because right now it's absolutely illegal. I'm in support of this measure and look forward to assisting the Department of Public Works with whatever tools they might need to get this program stood up and help our small businesses. I yield. Thank you. Council Member Lee Lai. Council Member Golem yield. Thank you. Councilmember Lee. Councilmember Columbia. Thank you. I had a question for the makers. So in order for some a vendor to get a spot, there's going to have to be a spot designated on your list. And that spot will need to be vetted with police and DPW and come to us first. Is that correct? Yes, we are having a schedule here in this bill. So it would need to be a subsequent bill that would have to go through a normal bill process, but it would need to start with review by police and by BW. Chair, if I could add to that. Feel free. Council member, to go a little bit deeper, we as council members could identify a road for public works to consider. They would evaluate and assess where exactly on the road the activity can take place and I'm also assuming the caring capacity. What would be a safe amount of vendors that would be allowable in a certain area? Hope that's helpful. Thanks, that is helpful. I just wanted to sort of make that super clear because I agree with Council Member V.A. I guess that it's much better that folks sort of not do it on the side of the road and I feel like it's, you know, a lot of danger involved with that, but on the other hand, I think this is a fairly rigorous process of finding spots that would be vetted by two agencies. So I think it could perhaps be a good compromise and not make it too easy for folks to engage in commercial activities that are dangerous for their customers and drivers. So, yeah, weighing those two, I guess, I'll be supporting. Thank you, Council Member Glemba. Council Member Kagiwata. Thank you. Yeah, just, you know, I'm not a huge proponent of this, but I'm also not going to stand against it. I, you know, for Hilo, I don't foresee a big need. I think, you know, I also think that people that are already in these other situations, they adapted and they got into, you know, parking lots, or they got into you know parking lot so they got into farmers markets or parks. I don't foresee them like changing now and going back to this necessarily so I hope I don't think it's going to be a huge number of people that flood our streets with wanting to do this but yeah for the other districts who are saying that they would like to see something like this as an option on small scale, I can see that. So I will support. Thanks. to council member fiecus to the department is there currently a fine if you are practicing the things in this bill in a county street and I'm looking at the bill but this is of this is new wording. Some is not, and I want to make sure that I understand it clearly before I proceed. Sure, I want to make sure as well. Steve Pazzi, a good afternoon director of public works. Is there a fine and the proposed bill? Is it interesting? The proposed bill has a fine for the activities in this county street. Is there a fine in existence already, if someone's out of the line? Public Works doesn't have policing power. So the answer to your question is, we don't have the ability to find people. When state came out and said they were going to do away with allowing people to set up and state right away, I don't know, and perhaps the police department would be a better person. He answered that question. I don't know if it was a matter of finding people or if it was a matter of just shooshing them away. So I don't know the answer to that. But we, that public works, don't drive around. And is that the wrong word? We at public works don't drive around and find people. Okay. So I must have misunderstanding something. I don't think that there is a fine right now. To the makers, correct me if I'm wrong. But from what I'm understanding, this bill creates a fine. I am all for, I am a small business owner. I am all for the use of a county street in being a place to increase business. It will do amazing things for a community in my opinion. But if we implement this and there is now a fine, increased business, it will do amazing things for a community in my opinion. But if we implement this and there is now a fine and it goes into effect, the date we approve it, the guy is doing it, will begin getting fined immediately. And I do think there should be a small delay to allow us to get the word out to the community members who may or may not what's going on. Just my thoughts. Thank you, Council Member. Council Member Villagas. Yes, I was just see someone here from police. And I wondered if you were here and could share some insight and information with us on the topic. I'm not sure if Officer Bird is in Kona. But did you get that? Did you get the notice to come and speak with us today? I am here for the purpose of offering information to the council on, there's a 184, 184. As to council member Conelli, and it's a 184, 184. As to council member Cunnelli, client-fellows question about fines, when there was an enforcement period advertised and carried out last year, there were citations issued, there were summons to court, it was up to the court to determine what penalty there was. I believe those citations were issued under state statute and not Poa Iconi Code. In reading this particular section, Chapter 22, violations of this section fall to the, I'm sorry, enforcement of this section is carried out by notice of violation by the Director of Public Works and the criminal enforcement for this section does not apply to article three, which is where the amendments to this section are being proposed to be inserted. If that answers a question. So just to repeat back essentially, DPW is going to be in charge of enforcement of this legislation then by citing people with a notice of violation. The police department will not be involved then in enforcing. As the code is currently written, that's correct. This particular bill 184, that's correct. Okay, thank you. So then my question comes to you, Director Pase. W. Ready and will this fall to the inspectors? So as I just conferred with Deputy Director Kekay, if we followed the same process with issuing NOVs and then notices of order, yes, it would fall on us to do the site inspection and then issue the notice of violation and then follow through with a notice of order and go through our normal process. Is that something that you guys are you guys down to do this? That's an extremely loaded question. You know, if it falls on us to do, then obviously that we'll do it. You know, we're we're not walking around or running around looking for additional tasks. Gotcha. Okay. Thanks for sharing with that. It just goes back to my concerns. I mean, I can't even get inspectors out to construction sites or potential violations with really big health and safety issues because they're understaffed. I also It was brought up as some of the concerns to me mind you I Hate this one other people do this to me when I'm trying to work on an idea so I apologize. But it was brought up with, you know, if the hours of this location, who's going to monitor the location, who's going to be in charge of, you know, making sure the people are setting up where they should and shouldn't set up and cleaning up. And all these things, I just have concerns about this falling. When you have a farmers market or you have a place for vending, there are people there to manage it and to work with it. And so I still have concerns. I also have some concerns about our house list and unhoused population, potentially manipulating it and utilizing it as a space to set up camp. So there's just a lot of things that I don't know that I'm just really concerned that we're creating a Pandora's Box. So being the devil's advocate here, you know, it sounds like it's got the approval, but I just needed to bring to your attention that, you know, DPW, I don't know. They're willing to do what we ask them to do, but I think there are other things personally, I would, I would love to have them have the capacity to do. So I yield. Thank you councilmember Vegas back to you by steering on. Yeah, I understand the concern and if we could have included some type of shared responsibility we would have right now the code outside of the scope of this bill exempts the police department from enforcement of Article 3 and that's where we are right now. That's something that I might be bringing forward in another bill, but that would have to, and you know, not specifically related to this, but we would really need to understand the potential impact of removing Article 3 from police's purview. But it might be something that we review with corporation council to see if it would actually be beneficial to the county overall. So thank you. Thank you, by cherry number. Anyone else? So I'd just like to make a couple of quick comments. Well, actually the first is a question to the makers in light of council Councilmember Coney Lee, Claim Boaters' question. As I understand it now, it's already illegal to do this roadside vending and once the bill takes effect, no one will actually be able to register until the first ordinance is passed to add a section of road to the schedule. Is that correct? That is correct. So I'm less worried about the timing issue because there's going to be delay to introduce any roadways. And it's not like we can suddenly make it legal without this bill. So I'm fine with the approval on adoption or adoption on approval. The other thing that I was there was some conditions that I was thinking about and then I got to consult with both the police and DPW, that maybe there should be some boilerplate language as to which departments rule making would preside over this administration of this portion of code, so whether or not it would be DPW rules or police rules that they don't have. I'm getting the no from Cody in the back, but okay, somebody's got to make rules. I think around this, and so I think there might need to be a clarification who that is would also support the police department being the ultimate enforcer as opposed to DPW, that just makes a little bit more sense they're gonna be out there on the road naturally to begin with. So that's not holding me up today, but I think that that would be preferable once we get to that point. Yes, and I just wanted to kind of circle back. You put now Councilmember Conelli-Eklinefield, there's statement right now. There are a bunch of options on their 22-8.2, which is the administrative enforcement, and that applies to anyone who's bending on the street today. But again, that is done, administrative enforcement done by DPW, not by the police department. So it's something that we can circle back to, but just wanna point out, there is potential fines there and everything listed out for administrative enforcement under that section. Thank you. Great, thank you. All right, quickly, I'll just move my county league calendar and then I have to move on. All right, we're at first reading. Like I said, on a small business one, I see the potential for our businesses that that's not really my issue. My challenge is we're creating a change and from what I've just learned, listening to you two gentlemen, this is like almost unenforceable as what I'm looking at. Let's be a good point. DPW has a hard time getting to do the work that they're doing right now, especially when it comes to NOVs. And from what I'm understanding for the police department, this isn't your Kooliana, that correct? The way the code Kooliana, is that correct? The way the code is currently written, that's correct. Okay. So I appreciate the bill. I've sat here a long time, I've had bills come up, I've had them get shot down for different reasons. I would like to see from the makers something that's clear because if it's not the police department's guliana and I know what we're up against with DPW and this bill seeks to create fines for unpermitted activity and requirements and a whole permitting system and a regiment I just feel a little bit lost right now with this build the way that it is. I would also if this moves ahead I would suggest DPW send out a flyer or something to our local businesses letting them know that there has been a change and that things, that finds maybe on the table even though they exist right now, this is being, this is a way more explicit than what's existing, they need to know. Because we've done this too many times now where we create a change, nobody knows about it, it changes, they get pissed, they come in and yell at us, why did you change things? So I'd rather be ahead of it than behind it and just say, oh well, it was on the table for a number of months, where were you? And just as a point of clarification, the enforcement really doesn't go with building inspectors and the folks that you guys have referenced. It would likely fall with the engineers within the traffic division. They would be heavily involved in issuing permits and they would be heavily involved in going out and spotting situations that were either not permitted or inconsistent with the parts of the permit that was issued. So I just, I want to, as a point of clarification, it's not going to be building inspectors. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that Steve. How is your stopping and not division for doing this kind of work then? Right. Is, is what, what was that? I couldn't hear you. We continued to be challenged staffing just like almost every other department within the county. Like every business in the county, understood? Yes. Okay, so I think to me, I think the makers understand where I'm sitting. Like I said, I support the idea. It's a good idea. But there is definitely some things I gotta get nailed out between police, Nippie W, and also letting businesses know what's happening. That's incredibly important in my mind. Thank you. All right, we proceed to the vote. All of those in favor of approving Bill 184, draft two. As further amended at first reading, please say aye. Any opposed? No. Mr. Clerk, you have one, two, three, four, five, six, eyes, two, nose, council members, Coneley, Klein, Felder, and Villegas, and one excused council member Evans, Bill 184, draft two, as further amended, is approved at first reading. Thank you both for being here. Is there any testimony for bill 200-200? Hearing none, bill 200 amends order number 2432 as amended to operating budget for the county of Hawaii. For the fifth year in June 30, 2025, the province does an a federal grants energy efficiency and conservation block grant account to 128,640 dollars in appropriate to say into the energy efficiency conservation block grant account funds be used to create an energy management plan for a confi-foy facilities introduce mr. County Climb Elder by request We have a motion. Please Motion to approve bill 2-0-0 at first reading. Motion by Vice-Torinaba, seconded by Council Member Kagiwata to approve bill 200 at first reading. Any further discussion? This is the companion to the earlier measure. Council Member Glomba, your lights on. Oh, sorry. All right. Seeing no further discussion, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have too many council members moving around. Stop it, you guys. We have seven in favor with council members Leely and Evans excused. All right, next item, please. So any testimony for Bill 201. Hearing none, Bill 201 amends order number 2432 as amended, the operating budget for the county boy for the fiscal engine 30, account, for an 88,722 dollars, 63 cents. And hope is the same to the fiscal year 2023 assistance to fire fire fire grant account. As we used to establish a hazard zone incident command and control training program to buy safe, effective, and efficient emergency response operations, introduce Mr. Carly Klanwood or by request. Chair, I'm motion to adopt bill 201. Motion, but I count some member, Kanye Lee. Chair, motion to adopt bill 201. Motion by Council Member Connelly. Klein vote is seconded by Vice Chair Inama to adopt a bill 201 at first reading. Council Member Connelly, Klein vote are. No discussion. Anyone else? Seeing none, all those in favor please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have seven aye's. Council Members, Leigh Lyon, Evans excused. Bill 201 is approved at first reading bill 202, please. Sorry, testimony for bill 202. Very none. Bill 202 amends order number 2432 as amended, the operating budget for the county for the fiscal year in June 30, 2025. The increases revis in the fund balance from previous year accounts, $7.4 million. And it will be the same to the Housing Production Account to fund a grant agreement with Kamako and Newe LP for the Nahale Mako project to me in dollars. And the Kamako and Newe work for us housing mini-loop road infrastructure project $5.4 million. And introduce Mr. Connelly Kleinfelder by request. Chair, motion to adopt bill 202. So, motion by Council Member Hanyley. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no And I don't have any questions right now. Thank you. Okay. Any other questions for OHCD on this matter or any discussion? Did you want to come up and say anything? Yeah. Very, very patient. Appreciate it. All right. Seeing no further discussion. All those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have seven aye's. Council members, Leigh Ann Evans, excused. Bill 202 is approved at first reading. Again, thank you for waiting. Moving on to Bill 213, please. Very none. Bill 2 and 3 amends Chapter 24 article 4, Section 24 to 17, Section 24 to 19 of the Hawaii County Code 1983, 2016 edition as amenable, any to an exemption from certain motor vehicle taxes and fees, allows an exemption from certain motor vehicle tax and fees for motor vehicles owned or lease for 12 months or longer by the county, and for motor vehicles owned or lease for 12 months or longer by police officers, user vehicles and the reforms of their duties in Struz-Mist-Kendel. Before we go into this, I will just mention that this is a replacement for a bill that we had discussed before that had an error in the title. So this was about removing the registration fees for county and police vehicles. I will yield the chair if there's need for further discussion on this, but this was process right to council since we had already talked about it and I just needed a title at it. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. We don't have a motion yet, madam. I'm sorry. Both to approve bill 213 at first reading. Motion by Viceroy Navisecated by Council Member Glimbo. Any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Mr. Clerk, you have seven ayes, Council members. Liloie and Evans excused Bill 1313 is approved at first reading on to bills for second and final reading. Is there any testimony for Bill 165 draft two? Very none. But once if I draft two, it meant 1224 article 10 of the White County Code in 1983, 2016 edition as amended relating to parking. Chains of the County Building parking lot located 25 outpuny street in Hilo, with two are, to our metered parking zone, to a two are parking area effective January 1, 2025. Issues moves Evans, first reading September 17, 2024. We'll to approve bill 165, draft two at second and final reading. Okay, motion by vice-chair. I was seconded by council member Gildemba to approve 165 draft two and second and final reading. I apologize. Council member Evans asked me to hold this until she got off a call which maybe about half an hour from now. So I withdraw my motion. Okay. Thank you. Maybe table is better. Clerk. I really hope not. So I mean, yeah, I do have some comments on this bill that are. We'll table it. Let's take the other ones and see where we are at that point. So motion to table. Vice Chair Naba. Motion to table Bill 165. Okay. Motion by Council Member Enaba. Seconded by Council Member Glimba to table 165. Dr. F2. All those in favor? Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have seven eyes. Council Member Liloi and Evans excused. Moving on to bill 196. Is there any testimony for bill 196? Hearing none, bill 196 amends order number 2432 as amended operating budget for the county away. For the fiscal year in June 30, 2025. It appropriates resident federal grants, opioid settlement funds account, $925,000. And it appropriates the same to the opioid settlement funds account to support opiate remediation activities. Introduce Mr. Connolly Clampouted by request for his reading September 17, 2024. Chair, motion to adopt bill 196. Motion by Council Member Coneley. Clientelters seconded by councilmember Gilemba to approve bill 196. It's again in final reading councilmember Coneley. Clientelter. No comment. Thank you. Okay. Anyone else? All right. Seeing no further comments. All those in favor please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have seven I's, council members. Leighanne Evans, excuse. Next item, please. Is there any testimony for Bill 197? Hearing none, Bill 197 amends, order number 2432 as amended operating budget for the county of Hawaii for the fiscal year in June 30, 2025. Increases revisions state grants, career criminal program account, $55,000 for $34.00. And appropriate the same to the career criminal prosecution program account for total appropriation of $546,168.00. Funds of use to support nine positions, office prosecuting attorney, introduce Mr. O'Connelly, client-fellored by request, first reading with September 17, 2024. Chair, motion to adopt bill 197. Motion by Council Member Connelly. Kleinfelder seconded by Council Member Glimba to approve bill 197 and seconded final reading Council Member Connelly. Kleinfelder. Nope. Thank you. Anyone else discussion on this item? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have seven I's Council members, Gellimba, or sorry, Evans and Aliloie, excuse. Is there any testimony for Bill 203? Hearing none, Bill 203 demands a park, some recreational facility schedule, Chapter 15 Article A, section 15-68.1 of the White County Code 1983. 2016 edition as amended by naming the ball fields at William Billy Canoia District Park, the Howard Sonoria ball fields and honor of Howard Fernando Sonoria. Introduce Ms. Kirkowitz, first reading September 17th, 2024. Chair, motion to adopt bill 203 on second and final reading. Motion by Council Member Kirkowitz, seconded by Council Member Cunnelly. Claim filter to adopt bill 203 on second and final reading. Council Member Kirkwood seconded by Council Member Cunnelly. Claim filter to adopt Bill 203 and seconded by my reading Council Member Kirkwood. Thank you, Chair. Really appreciate everyone's continued support to in loving memory, honor Howard Sonoria for all of the work that he did to support the Kiki of Puna in the 1940s and beyond. Coaching baseball, coaching softball and raising awareness of Title IX to ensure that girls had access to sports. His family shared really touching stories about the ways in which he supported Punas youth on the field, off the fields, and imported really valuable lessons regarding sportsmanship and confidence and humility and grace under pressure. And so just really, again, honored to be able to be advancing this bill to provide this recognition. Appreciate everyone's support. Parks requested that we introduce this bill as soon as possible because they are behind in fabricating signs for all of our parks and fields. And so this gives them a good amount of time to be able to fabricate a sign so that it can be installed at the Billy Canoy District Park ball fields in time for his birthday may of next year. Thanks everyone for your support, Ailed. Thank you, Council Member Kirkwoods. Council Member Coneyle, you can't go there. Thank you, Chair. Well, I'll have to miss Kirkwitz who are making this happen. It was... This idea was brought up, I think, during one of the renaming at one of our ball fields here in Hilo. And the importance of Mr. Sonoria to the part of Lomaoma, Oana, specifically. And so I'm really happy to see this done. And I'm trying to say my honor to Ms. Kirkwoods for making it happen. Thank you. Thank you, Council Member. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Kirk, you have eight eyes. Council Member Lee Loy excused. Bill 203 is adopted. All right. We do. I have always wondered this. Do we need a motion to remove it from the table when it's the last thing? It's still on the table. Yeah, okay. Let's pull it off the table then What is it move to remove bill? 165 draft to 165 from the table Thank you so councilmember Evans I Forgot your request and so we we got the motion we table that Did we actually take the motion like we have a motion on the floor yet? We do I believe we we haven't resolved the fact that it's still on the table. Okay. We need a motion on a second then. Motion by Vice-Chairi Naba, seconded by Councilmember Kagiwada-Wazo, Vegas, to remove Bill 165 from the table. All those in favor? Please say aye. Any opposed? Okay, you have eight ayes, Mregas, to remove Bill 165 from the table. All those in favor? Please say aye. Any opposed? Okay, you have eight ayes, Mr. Clerk. Council Member Lee Lo, excused. So we have Bill 165 draft two on the floor with a motion to approve. Council Member Evans. So do I need the motion or is it over it? The motion is done. So, okay. So I'm asking, we had some really good discussion on it. I see direct deposit here and ask for your favor with support. I really liked in our last discussion the, you know, the creativity of how they can work with the people here in the building and come up with cards, you know, if people are stuck here in the building and come up with cards, you know, if people are stuck here in the chambers for hours like today, that people know that they're here in the chambers. So I think you know the fact that they're... Whoa! Wow that's a car! That's a good speaker system! Wow! Okay that's a car. I don't know. That's a good speaker system. Wow. OK, that's a sign. OK, so I really like the fact of thinking, creative out of the box, and we did amend it to make it a more amenable date for the department to work with. So asking for your favorable support, thank you. Thank you, Councilmember Evans. Councilmember Kagiwata, thanks. DPW, you guys come up here, one of you please. Okay, so we're on the table. Thank you. So this is to change from our two-hour parking meters to two-hour parking zone. And just want to know, are you prepared to fully enforce this to our parking zone? The Steve Palsy Director of Public Works with Deputy Director Kekay. Yeah, we, as we've had discussions, we have a full-time parking enforcement person so this will be a small change from reading meters to coming up with a different means to enforce it but yeah we'll we'll follow. Okay so it'll be taking twice as much time for every car because not just reading the meter but chalking it first and then coming back two hours later and checking on it right. It could take more time than just checking meters correct. Okay well I think it's a waste of our time and our resources but everybody else seems to like it so we'll see how it goes and thank you for that honest feedback we'll see how it goes. I yield. Councilmember County, Lee Kleinfelder. Thank you, Chair. I like it. Because we're a public space and we provide the means for people to come in and give testimony and just for that reason alone, This parking should be free. I believe, and looking back through this, talking with Robin from DPW a long time ago. I mean, interesting past on this, but when there was limited parking and there was a lot of businesses around this area, we metered it so we didn't get in and dated with people in the area using us as free parking all day But I believe that's been alleviated a little bit Given what's going on around us right now and the amount of parking spaces we have so I guess to be determined on what happens after we and do this But I like the idea and I appreciate you bringing it forward. Thank you miss Evans You could cut some member anyone else I appreciate your bringing it forward. Thank you Ms. Evans. Thank you, Council Member. Anyone else? Council Member Evans, please. I'd like to chime in real quickly. I had some more time to have some conversations and some thoughts about this. I went to Council Member Evans and said, do we know when and why they actually put the meaners in? I think that's a really important question that I feel like we need to ask before we proceed. Here's why. When we look out at this lot here, we have these lots over here that are all reserved, that people pay $10 a month to be able to have that guaranteed parking spot. If all of these spots now suddenly become free, staff guys over here are going to be like, well, why am I paying $10 a month I can park over here for free and you might say well that they can only park in each spot for two hours well they're just gonna they can just get out and move their car everything you know take a little break or whatever at the same time you know a puny center across the street also has me at parking so the folks over there you're gonna want to maybe be over here where they can park for free. And then you also think about if you're here trying to testify and it's still two meter or two hour but there no meter you park and instead of going and feeding the meter for another hour, if things go long, you have to go and move your car. And so there's some things about this that I don't think were fully thought through. And so I think this starting point for this is why was that decision made in the first place and what problem was trying to be solved? If that's the case or you know, maybe it was just a completely random decision that certainly happened before in the county But I don't know if you know the answer to that director her palsy. I'm suspecting not but I am actually not supportive of this now given I think that there's some potential for I for, I think there's some more that needs to be kind of thought through. Director Pauzi, I'm assuming you don't know the answer to that. Now, I heard you ask the question, when were they put in and why, and I don't have the two-hour limit, the enforcement, is two hours in a lot. So technically moving your car after two hours doesn't... Is that actually compounds it even more? Yes. To say that you would have actually after two tours have to take it out and move. Okay. So I appreciate the sentiment. Like I appreciate what this sentiment is, but I think in practicality it may end up as a real nightmare, where we have essentially no spots available out here for people to testify when that is exactly the opposite of your intention. Council Member Evans. Yes. I think if the administration and the bosses just tell them not to take away public parking that's for the benefit of the public. I really don't agree with that sediment, but the other thing is as we talked about, it's not, you don't have to remove these meters at this point in time. You can always put the little bag over them. If in fact this turns into a nightmare, it wouldn't be that hard to undo it. But the problem is now, I mean, these are old, old meters that require change. I mean, it's just right now, it's the way it is, it doesn't work, it really doesn't work. I think that this is the people's house, this is where the mayor is, this is where we are at. I know in Kona, that's where our chambers are, that's where the mayor is. We don't charge there. I think, again, it's the people's house. I think we should have free parking here. And I would love to know, you know, before we call for the vote, I'm hoping the votes are here to pass it today. Can you count them over, Evan? The council member Kagiwata. Thank you. I'm wondering if you would consider maybe something like people who are coming to testify, just coming there, signing, and they get a little permit or whatever to park as long as they need to for that day so that they don't have to run around and go back and all this stuff. And then people, we still keep the meters so that we're not getting other people parking here for every, you know, all day long. But that we allow free parking and as long as they need to, when they come to testify. May I respond? May I respond, Chair? Yes, you may. Yeah. I guess what I'm hearing is you really want the parking meters. So I get that. These parking meters, many of them are broken. They require change. I, just the whole thing is my, the people in my district come here to do business in Hilo at this building. And for them to get the penalty to come here because it's hard to get changed. We don't have, we don't have anybody here that's going to break a dollar so they could do it. Like I said, I think that people have told me why do I have to get penalized to come and do my county business trying to do the right thing and then they get penalized. I just I think it's a philosophical thing and I know you and I have had that difference. You'd like the Barkey meters I think in this particular building it's the wrong message to the public being that it is the county seat so I believe it should be friendly and I think it should be free parking. Thank you councilmember Evans. One more? Yes let's still have other business today so let's make this quick. I just want to make my position very. I also feel like people who come to testify here should have the ability to do so with the least impediments in front of them, including paying for parking, moving their cars, you know, those kind of things. At one point we discuss going to smart meters. I think that could be an excellent solution for some of the difficulties that you're talking about. But what I am trying to discourage is for our limited parking to be used for other purposes, then the people coming here to do business. And that's what I'm most concerned about is losing our parking and then people who come to testify and are here do have that extreme impediment of not having any parking available to them. So I just want to make my position clear on that. It's not that I don't think we should have free parking for people who are testifying. I do believe we should, but just worried about losing all the parking to people who are not here for that purpose. Thanks. Thank you, Council Member Kagiwada. Quickly, Council Member Kanilee, my brother. Steve, how many of the parking splits are metered in our parking lot, you know? Yes, at the county building here on a pointy street, there's 50 meter stalls. 10 of them are out of service presently. Then how many are reserved? I don't have that number here, I don't. And the meter is on the street as well? No, it's just in the parking lot here. Okay. And then next door. At the outdoor at the Pune Center, there are 38 meter stalls. But all the visitor parking in the front is free, correct? For people conducting county business, yes. Okay. Is it possible for us underneath this bill to kind of create that mixed parking lot that we have across the street that seems to work? Okay. I think anything's possible. We put more thought into this. Yeah, I. There's the bill that I needed to do it. Are you stuck with X, X, Y, and Z under the bill? I think the bill is really only applicable to the Pony Center and the meter parking here. I'm sorry at the county building right here. Yes. It doesn't include anything across the street. OK. So this really would only pertain to the 50 stalls that are currently metered. Correct. Yeah, there's 50 metered, 10 of which are out of service. And there's also two metered stalls that are used for EV charging. So there are 38 metered stalls presently generating revenue. Yep. Okay. Okay. I just need to, sure. All right. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor of adopting Bill 165, draft two, please say aye. All of those opposed. Just Councilmember Kaguata and myself. So we have one, two, three, four, five, six, eyes, two opposed. Councilmember Kaguata and myself and one absent Councilmember Lee Lai. Bill 165, draft two is adopted. That takes us to the end of our agenda. Council Member Kirkowitz, wouldn't you want to resume the planning commission? Or sorry, planning committee? I was just going to make an announcement when we were going to start, and then I will adjourn this meeting, yes. 435. The time is now 423 and this meeting is adjourned. Thank you.