Okay, I've got 905. We'll go ahead and call this special meeting of the Coriel County Commission's court to the order noting that all members of the court are present. For those of you that are here in person, if you've got electronic device, we'd ask that you place it on a silence at this time for those that you're participating by Zoom. We would ask you place your device on mute till such time that you need to address the court. We'll begin this morning with word prayer. God, today is the day that you have made let us rejoice and be glad it. And Lord, and being thankful for this day, we also are thankful for you for giving of our sins. Lord, we ask that you continue to bless us with fair weather. with rains that the nurse, these lands that help with our farming and our ranching and agriculture. And Lord, we also ask that you prevent the severe weather that would endanger the lives of those of us here in Coriel County. Lord, we humbly ask that you watch over and protect our first responders as they protect us here on earth that you watch over from heaven. And most especially Lord, we ask you place your hand of wisdom on this court. God is in direct us so that we may do here on heaven what honors you or we may do here on earth, what honors you and heaven. We ask all these things humbly and your sons holy name. Amen. Amen. Yeah. And the pledge to our flags, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all, honor the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas one state, under God, one and indivisible. the next item on our agenda is the public forum. Citizens may address the court on any matter other than matters concerning County personnel or matters of litigation. Each citizen will be allocated five minutes with a total time not to exceed 30 minutes. Is there anyone here in first and that would like to address the court this morning? Seeing hearing none. Is there anyone who's participating by Zoom that would like to address the court this morning? Seeing it hearing none, we'll move on to item number five on the agenda, which is workshop for discussions concerning related to the county, Creole County subdivision regulations and permitting requirements. Just update and inform the court. Mr. Belt, the county attorney will not be with us this morning as he is in court. And we received notice from Ms. Thompson from MRB that she is unavailable this morning. So with that picking up where we left off with the last meeting we had captured some notes on things that needed to be addressed that had been submitted by Rodin Bridge and I believe that there were other items that Rodin Bridge had identified that they would like for to address. Is that correct, Mr. Manning? I'm sorry. In my last discussions with you, you said that there were a few other things that you had identified that you thought we need to address as part of this revision. And so if we could pick up with those. We've got. For English, we've got customer client and the vision that's going to be coming in, that's going to be called to the car those. And we don't have anything on college, or like they have to work in the stuff that they always call those. is that is that condos like individual or I mean are we considering that part of multi family dwelling? To address it as multi family dwelling. I understand it's going to be a building separate living quarters in the same building, their business. They are going to actually own the condos. They're going to sell the actual condos. So, I said, which I know they think I have work. I don't know what kind of regulation needs that. Okay. about the kind of the real estate. Yeah, I could have a little knowledge underneath it. Yeah, I'm going to be like. I kind of over the name, whatever that top area school. For all that. Same thing. minutes we made offer. And yes, I think that would just be why we're in the multi-family. I don't know if there's any specific. Well, the problem I see with the series of multi-family is that there are going to be separate properties and the septic systems on multi-family, you know, to usually one person holds the whole, or do plays. It's fairly or in full, so it's owned by the owner of the actual property, he knows divided into two rental properties. Where this may be a individual owner of a, right, they're gonna have a central sewer system we kind of think they would have separate sewer system. They they've talked about of course I've told them that I don't think they could do that because it would be a cluster system considered a cluster system which are really evil now by OSS and rules. But like I said the way which is just got the wearing relations whatsoever. I'll count those. of the theme. Another... ...after our... Another, after our audit with TCU the other day, he suggested that maybe we had something into our regulations about those people, those installers that it would like to put them in illegally, you know, my little improvements so it's just that we come up with some sort of regulation state and do that twice in our county and install them up in our county. I talked about it, he says that the bonds, if you do it a second time, it increases, You see, finds the crazy thing. But I do see you. You see you. the bonds, they do it a second time, and it increases, it finds the increase. Like DCU, you, you, you, I printed it that way and some of your OSSFs, that brings, you're probably the last one, four year and a half, yeah. My niche thought on that is really that's a criminal offense as opposed to a regulatory something. I mean, we can look at it certainly, but I really think that's more on the criminal side of things where we may have a blurb in there about, you know, what's the penalty for, you know, illegal installation. I'll go ahead. I'm saying. You see a few guys said that like some counties, you know, they enforce the fine and get caught, put going in. But some of them installers look at that. that finance just cost their business. And they just keep on keeping all of you know, instead of getting cost of their life, they don't want to get it. I mean, I don't think I agree with you. I think it's pretty normal. I think it's handy branded. Like I said, they probably won't do it. They keep on increasing the fine. But I don. But I don't know. I don't know. There's just something about the PC. You get the PC. You got breadman. You know what I find already? Right now. I do not. But it the authority to exceed with the state's standard is for criminal activity because I'm pretty confident that $10,000 fine would jump into the realm of a felony offense. Because a class A, Mr. Meiner is capped at $2,000. So, So that might be something else about that. I, but I do think we need to look at. I mean, I've got it down here on, you know, and I think we could probably address it, but I don't think it's as enforceable through our regulations as it is just through the criminal fence of it. And certainly, you got to talk. Yeah. He said that the other counties have done that where you could write it in a regulation state that if you installed an illegal system get cost installable legal system costs. It's you can install in our camp. Yeah. requirements, the federal from him. But I mean, get the permits, you know, yeah. Well, I was going to say, though, I mean, if they're stolen them illegally and they're not telling us about them, then what's to prevent them from installing more that they're not telling us about? I mean, we can, yeah, but no, okay, we can definitely look at that, but certainly we'll need some input on what we can do with the wording as part of our revisions. And then our V4s. A lot of counties have increased the gallons per day. Over with the ECU, EC EQ requires mainly because people are living in them nowadays. You know, so what that's my number is I don't know idea, but I think right now it's at 40 hours per day per RV, RV slot, but I think some counties have been crease that. You will help with the high concentration. So. Most of my gone to the back house. Yeah. I can go on to that. Yeah. We talked about that a little bit the other day. Did you have any counties subdivision regulation in RV parks that you'd looked at or referenced or anybody passed along as to what they were already might look like on that. I have research that they have got into. Yeah, okay. Okay. I'll have to do it. And then I wrote down here mailbox permanent requirements. When I'm going through my checklist as says, you know, on the on the planning. It says that, you know that you have mailbox permit for this for each lot. It's a big one. They're doing a cluster mailbox for sending problems, but if it's tiered to a lot of times they don't get the mailing address until after they've sold the lot. So it's kind of hard to require them to give us a mailbox permit. So I think we can have any of that free run that in our regulation early. So other than just a single separation that would be a tier one, I mean a tier take. Why would we not require them to have a cluster mailbox? We try to, but if you're, I mean, we try to get to get that to happen to it just it doesn't always I mean it's I Mean this is this is kind of what I'm looking at and I don't give it all I'm not trying to put you on the spot I'm I mean I'm asking the question of why would we still not require them to do that because one, any cluster mailbox that we put out there, you know, reduces, you know, one, two, three more stops, you know, on a county road. Because that's really what we're talking about. Two, it is more efficient for the postal service. And three, there does not have to be an address assigned when the cluster mailbox is installed. It is strictly based off of the number of lots in your subdivision. So it gets away from like mailbox, individual mailbox permitting. But other than, like I can see that, okay, if you've got one track of land and you're splitting it into two. You already have an address. Potentially, you have an address for one of the tracks of land. You just don't have an address for the other one that you're splitting off. That one I could I could see where you know we're not requiring cluster. But if you got a track of land and you're splitting it in three. I think that we ought to stick with the cluster mailbox just from that's one less stop on a county road. And there is no requirement. Born address. At that point in time. Does that make sense to you? We're done in our regulations. We're expired. Okay. inside the subdivision. Yes! I mean, that's kind of what we base the big portion of our subdivisions on, but we have some of the visions that are these tier two's that are four lots or less. We've had several of these happen that they pop up on a county road. And then you got four individual mailboxes and then we're fighting the same thing that Road Bridge is said about, you know, ditch maintenance and you put them in the right of way and mowing and I mean, there's just a a litany of things that go along with that that, you know, if they're truly setting this up as a subdivision, but put in the cost or mailbox and that reduces what's in the right way, reduces stops at the post service after make. mean problem I'm kind of seeing with that is that you're looking at another set of 10 more for them to get off the road to check your bus with my box. Come back out, which I don't know. We got that Smith, Mr. Light, the most what the bigger pain? Maintain 10 horns or more around a couple more. I would think that that would be. The the in placement of the 10 horn. Would be incumbent upon the developer. Yeah, I agree. I mean, but yes, it is from a maintenance standpoint, that's another 10 horn that would have to go in, that would have to be permitted. And I would want to dictate what's the impact. And it may be case by case that we're going to have to look at that. But I think that, and I think we can learn that. I don't worry if some of these finds that one. to do or not. I do get some calls. How close can I build my pants? Right now we've been around the pants again but I only thought you were going to be there. I probably would have been right on the property, but it's not only a champion spot given have built it back over in the property. Yeah. That's there. You know, that's there. My hand, I can get where they are. Yeah. The power of the key to coaching on the county side, where we have to mine the head of the key. You'll tell us that's why I haven't gotten any. That's something I would make me do the address, Because it's right down the way. That's not the way. And to address right now. We have nothing. Well, you know, that kind of like the utility side, you know, because, you know, most of the utilities running. Well, let's listen. This is just in general any property. I mean, we've got setbacks on something like property. But any property. If you're not so divided, there's nothing saying that you can't build right on County property line. If I have net use, where is the building? If people are willing to give them up, yeah, but, yeah, and they ain't willing to give them up anymore. more there. I want to put it in there. I'm trying to put it in this. If people are willing to give them up, yeah, but they won't give them up anymore. They want to put it in there trying to put their thing in the right way now. Yeah, which is okay. Yeah, you got dot holes and yeah, you got these fiber optics. They've got they've got a big box of the tire thing in and then they got a little flower pot boxes every every word of their service connection. Big box goes beads out of these flower boxes. I mean it's just yeah, the big box cover had a big. So a lot of minutes. I'm not a guru on it, but I believe. I believe to some extent that's addressed in the international fire code standards because there is a certain amount of setback that's required so that you have access to be able to to respond to fire, structure fires between properties. We have not adopted the international fire code standards. I believe Mr. Belt has mentioned that as part of this process, which would have setbacks, it has setbacks established in there so that you don't build your hay barn right up against the property line where a fire or emergency service truck couldn't get back in there to respond to that before getting over to a neighbor's property. Just as a hypothetical situation. So I've got the construction setbacks and international fire code standards written down here as well. I didn't write this down, but I had to call the other day about a little wind farm in our county, what are permitted to swing on the soil. And I don't know that we can say anything about it, but I don't know what all the environmental hazards are with those things that you just put in the presentation. Thank you, guys. So, it's about the reason that we say more. That's actually. Thank you. Thank you. So I think that's a good and read the code. Yeah. Hmm. I got my phone. Yeah. That one. Don't. That goes back to. I, it goes back to an individual property owner's rate to utilize that. I think it's cold for you. That's not an environment cold. But with wind farms and solar farms, if they're not seeking any type of tax abatement for the use of that land, because it will change the land use the land value, additional tax revenues would come into the county. If they're not asking for some special provision, um, I, well, we're going to go to ask for that. For what? For, well, like, the solar farm, I know that it's far huge. It's a gun change. Now that it's a solar bar. Yes. for. Well, like the solar farm, I know that it's far viewed. It's a don't change. Now that it's a solar farm, like, yes, it should. That's the appraisal district should reassess and then based off of the production, the kilowatt production. And also, they can be simple for our former county roads or high-high County bridge it it goes back to Construction setbacks and then you know international fire co-standards He has so welcome in what he is in my home. There's a critical number. So minimum length, but off the ground. They still keep their age. And if they have to run a condom, they don't run this cow. Yeah, that's a land lease. He's doing a land lease. Yeah. So he's still running this cow in the solar ponds. Minimum. I don't I don't know how to sustain. No, I was just I was just thinking that I don't know how sustainable it is to have solar panels covering your grazing, but I mean, you know, I'm just going to tell me the cows that are out there. Just to sign it's not a little better than it was. Yeah. That's how I want to do it. So they're scared out to work. So it's going to get shaded. Yeah. And they said that panels rotateotesque. What about them? Yeah. So they get some of my don't I guess. And what am I going to do? I might get word with them. I got one from them. I saw it. What do you mean? Again, I mean they're learning how to farm underneath. You know, different parts work great. In cheap first, but I don't like the ones that have this one. They're. I was about full without. I hope that they're in any question. When they do. But but to answer your question, the appraisal district is the one that's responsible for that change in use and establishing what that taxable new taxable value is. Does it make your ag thinking that they go into commercial side of it? Well, you could still maintain your ag exemption if it was under release, but they've got to increase the taxable productive value of it. I mean, you know, you're still getting the ag side of it. But yet it is generating more revenue. So. I was looking for it. if you click question on the RV thing. And uh, different sizes. I think I saw one in Jackson County. They've been burning. We wanted to where it was. They had a minimum. I can't afford to leave. But they all had to be on a certain size system. And then if it extended into the bigger units, then it had to be on it. So in other words, the pad is, it's kind of regulated by the size. You know, the unit was 40 foot long and injured, but it may have been a good one. I think it was down. I'm excited. Some reason wallard out in my head. I think they increased their despite 50 gallons today. Of course, that name was done with some research on a hair race link and we could get their numbers and face it all that way. I think these include more water, lower the number of units that they can beat off with one. I know that one time is 15, I think it's adopted danger. I know that one time is big thing. I think it's often dangerous. I know that the one of them here, I changed the council for day and they forwarded every time, but as long as they're engineering through, that the field nation range was acceptable. But I'm a hitsIST grindbill, someone excited, we did in our regulations about China and so on. Thank you for taking this whole matter. I'm going to start with the first one. I'm going to start with the second one. I'm going to start with the second one. I'm going to start with the second one. I'm going to start with the second one. I'm going to start with the second one. Ilying permits to the engineering company to review and apparently the state has changed some banks that are current bloodline regulation. So we're on look at our, I mean we're on, the areas that we're on change are bloodline regulations, they give way. Should, should, should, and hold on to all of them. and the child will be with it. Which I, again, will be happening like... I'm going to show them. I'm going to show them the other things. I'm going to show you things. I'm going to show you things. I'm going to show you things. I'm going to show you things. I'm going to show you things. I'm going to show you things. I'm going to show you things. I'm going to show you things. I'm going to show you things. I'm going to show you things. Hopefully it's dealing. By the time we publish these, they're going to be. Okay. But in that age. I mean, same regulations. I think always strong county regulations. Correct. We are prohibitive from doing anything that the state does not permit us to do. Right. So. I'm going to have to say, I'm going to have to say, I'm going to have to say, I'm going to have to say, I'm going to have to say, I'm going to have to say, I'm going to have being designated as a party ground water management area. So yes, we do have the state permits us to exceed the basic standard for TCEQ. I'm going to go to the like 10.1 acres, let them have to go large something regularly. Maybe I do buy some to repair me and to drive away from him some food. like 10.1 acres, let them plant the large of the big gradually. Maybe I do buy them to remember it's dry away from him. That is correct. If it's greater than 10 acres, it is not considered residential use. Like, there were a power over what my question is, can we still say armory, but that energy to that, but intent to get that will that put the water. No. But I have no say. No. At that point, the only thing that we would have any influence over is if we adopted international fire code standards, they required mandatory setbacks for any structure that was built, because that's our standard that's an international fire code. And then with respect to permitting of driveways access to county roads. If they are doing a subdivision that is next to a state highway or road. We don't we don't have them. There's there's no no requirements that we could impose from a county standpoint. Get that look on your face, Commissioner. That's that you're saying that left leg is back. And it's all the way. There's no grading. 34 pages. Hi. And ready for you. Let me know. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I can't believe it. I think. It is one that I mean that's one one that we talked about the 10 acre size. One of the things that we can look into. And again, it's just on the county roadside of things would be. Is there anything within that? You know, the subdivision of that property that would trigger, you know, negative impacts to emergency vehicles. Because then it would fall into health and safety code versus... I personally should not go to college, go to school, but I was in 35,000 of the world to the green. Very in that. I hope that's what that is. I know the subdivision that they can get in, but it's very, very old. But I think that's the only way to get in. I know that the subdivision that they can get in, but it's very, very old. I know the subvision they can't get in, but it's very, very old. But it's not connected. Do you want to get all that? Just from one of one of the, is this forward bound, solar company, called Askin' What Fire Code. I have been in the fire code, there's broke regulations in there that states have a road to gotta be built, cause they were asking me about it and I'm like, we've been down to the, it's for this solar farm, so it's a mercenary responsibility to get back to the solar farm by fire. They have to. Apparently there's some sort of state code or something that has. I will know them. And this is where we get into hopping from one state statute to our regulations to another state statute. That even though a state statute may say that, you know, a road has to meet a certain width to support fire and emergency rescue. If our county road standards don't meet that, if they are less than that, we can't enforce that. I mean, that kind of goes back to the lowest common denominator. That if all of our county roads are built to and work that standard, then yes, we're good. And I'll leave it at that, Mr. Manning. But that's where you start jumping from one part of state statutes to another. Anything else from your standpoint? I'm sure others don't come. I keep asking the students as a as issues rise. That's the problem. You're not going to, when you might get born, even if you're going to have 10 pop up, even that can we really do? We just need some of what we got. You can say it's hard to know now we're glad to. Yeah, I mean, I never, never very much with them. We'd be dealing with condos. That's not the county. Okay, so the things that I've added to my list are to address our condos as multi-family dwelling or however they're being addressed and then that would also need to address the OSF systems supporting those. And then there's all litany of things that go along with that. Anyway, it becomes lot size and you know how much does support and is that considered commercial versus individual and all those separations. There's a whole litany of things that they would go into that. How many how many This is in this I don't know really. See, they ain't DN12. So that's where you're going to follow in your septic system. You're telling about it. You know that that's not what we were talking about. I mean, that's all right. Well, but I mean, I think the question kind of becomes with this is like, how many do you string together? And I don't know all the construction codes on things. From what I believe to be true is like, if you have a duplex between those two units, you've got to have a firewall but you don't have to have a fire suppression system. If you go to a fourplex, you've got to have firewalls and you've got to have fire suppression system going up. And that's why at least one of our local builders, he tends to either do duplexes, which does a require fire suppression or fourplexes or I mean a complex, which you build at a more efficient cost to put that fire suppression system in. So with the in condos, I don't know what requirements there are that you know trigger. Do you have to have fire suppression systems, firewalls in between individuals, regardless of whether it's two built together or you got a string of 10, I don't know any of that, not even pretend. But there's a whole bunch of questions that would go along with that. And then what really triggers something What really triggers something that we've never dealt with is, and this goes along with condos is that when you buy a condo, yes, you're purchasing that dwelling. But are you purchasing the land? And I don't know the answer to that question. I'm gonna say my experience know the HOA probably owns just needed the land and then person did. I mean, that's what they did. No, that's yeah, that's kind of, I don't know. I don't have experience with it Because they are usually responsible for the HOA for maintaining the grounds Sprint resist of all the experience You're cubicle your walls You're responsible for the floors You have a water leak and it destroys your neighbor down below. You're responsible for that. Anything within the walls, anything outside is usually owned by the association. So. Yeah, it'll be a. And we ask, where are this and for that. That's how you go. Three. Three. We're going to two. Three, four, two. Three, four, two. Three. Three. Three. Three. Three. Three, right. I'll need all of that. Okay, I got it. I know. You like it? Okay. That doesn't cheer me nearly as much. I think building up. I don't have a lot of. Backing behind money, they're probably going to do it right. It's enough to be shotty thrown up. Followed upon the mediums available today. I mean, they're viable down below. I mean, try yourself after. Make sure you go away. Basically, off the nuggets necessary. Well, and going back and I was, and this was one of the things that I needed to look at and talk to Mr. Belk about, we are responsible for writing, rewriting and adopting the subdivision regulations. MRB has said that they certainly would consult with us on writing the we're responsible for writing this document. No, I do what I was not included in that. There's is the land use plane, which includes, sorry, some of the issues, which includes our entropy, which is doing all those other components. They wrote the grants that we could get some money to do. Yeah, and unfortunately I reached out to Ms. Thompson and they want to, apparently she did not get an email and thank you Mr. Manics. You said her an email on Friday but it was the one that said hey we're going to support to the 11th. She said she responded back to the 11th work best for her and that she wasn't aware that we were having the meeting this morning until 726 Mr. Mandakes said her best. So thank you, we should have been able to take that better, to her. I'm excited. Didn't know that they know. There were a lot of people down there, so I don't know how I'm doing for the point. I mean, I've got this. I think you guys have got this. We already covered the flag box. The Germanic cables are great. You know, thing here. I mean, I think we're at the point. We just got to turn it over to Mr. Bass and let him do his thing, send it back to us. And then we reviewed that doctor because I don't think any one of us are qualified to write a subdivision regulation. We have been in meetings with him. He's a legislator in the name of nine meetings, not now. He's tied up. So, he went out to him, I'd say, oh, Mr. Mayday, I'm saying the delay. But I guess he too busy. Right, yeah. I think that's, you know, we get on market for our notice. How's the length of the length of the length of the length? Yeah. That is slightly less than the length of the length here. It seems. That's exactly for weeks or something. Because there's, you know, it is very easy to allow this chapter in this verse, read this chapter in this verse and it kind of crosses over one another or contradict one another or so it another or another or another or another or another or another or another or another or another or another or another or another or another or another or another or another or another or another or another or It's way beyond my scope of knowledge. I can suggest the white lots, but does that steal? That's exactly in language language. When you're just going to open an argument, it's still funny. That's what I'm saying. You said we're not part of it. It wouldn't be something that we need to be a part of. Fire codes. We're talking about the group. More of a lucky company. That's the thing. International fire code standards. That's something that we need to stay at home. That's exactly the best thing that's happening. Have to know what you can do. I'll tell you how long it will take. I'm going to have it some more say of a regulation. That help us. I think. Yes, I mean. I believe that is within our authority to be able to adopt those. And I do believe it's within legal enforcement that if someone were found to be in violation of those, after we had adopted them, that we would have the ability to have some recourse. May fine and $10,000. You seem like that number. I mean, here's kind of the... I mean, but no, these things are coming and we need to replicate. I'm going to add that, the document. Of course, we've been planning to follow that by and out of the way. But I believe that there's a significant difference between having. Mr. Bass review a document versus Mr. Bass writing doc. Yeah. I don't know that we can afford either from a financial or a time standpoint to have Mr. Bass right about. I believe based off of the information that we've had, and I will certainly consult with Mr. Belt. But I don't believe that we have an option other than to internally authorize the changes and then submit them for a legal review. I believe Mr. Bass, we'll do that. Mr. Bass, you know, as he has in the past, will make recommendations as to the supportability, if you will, that's even the word, and enforceability of what we're writing. We've used flag lots a lot of times. I mean, I'm like a split hairs. If we don't want flag lots, we just write it in there that you don't have flag lots. And you don't have flag lots until somebody legally challenges. I mean, that's really what it kind of boils down to. And then it's at that point. Can we defend our legal position or not? And I'm not going to speculate on whether we can or can. But if that's the wishes of the court to put that in there, we could put it in there. You know, to what extent can we take advantage of the priority groundwater management area? I don't know the maximum extent. I mean, I know that we can exceed TCQ requirements for well-testing, but because we are party groundwater management area, can we go so far as to require that all subdivisions that or tier one must be on water distribution system. I mean it could go that far. Yes, my name is that it's in 30, 40 years and 12, or if it starts to get dry. That well, so I mean, you know, those are the things that again, I've worked on part of it. I don't know what Mr. Belk has done up to this point, but I certainly don't mind getting with him, getting with him, but I don't think that we can afford from a time, or financial standpoint to wait for somebody external to the county given that we're in the legislative session to write. But I think I do believe we can review. And that's not what I was implying. I was implying that we have this list, which I thought was great. is that we have an existing subdivision, the rule, and I don't know if it would be cost effective to say, basically what we're doing is that can you marry these things that we want into our current, your point? That's what I was more suggesting, not for him to write our, I mean, we've already got a great foundation. I mean, we've got a good basis, just need to tweak some of the sections that, you know, Mr. Manage deals with all the time. And I'm gonna go back and I had not done it. I mean, you referenced the Blanco subdivision rule. You felt were very solid. Other people think it was a question whether they're felt or whether so it might be legal or not. But again, that's. They do have an engineer that works directly for the company. Yeah, I've been doing that. Last. We've already addressed the bonding and pharmaceutical utility for reference checks. I need HOA and POA added. at notice 232.double levelouble over. I mean, we captured a lot of this. I guess, that's what you're saying. If you and Mr. Belt then need to really get together and capture all these notes. We're certain of us. Unless any of you are volunteering to take one one of the chat. I can say this is not my, this is not my Bailey way. I've not, was it here when we wrote the first ones? I don't know if you would. The current version, yes. Think that would have us. Somebody would have it in Banny if you've been through this. In fact, you've been through it also. I'm learning. There's a whole lot in here that. I don't know if that's pretty good. I'm trying to be able to get hold of the parking lot. I think it's all in two ways. The recording should have been traced in three quarters of the length of the project. I'm trying to I have, I agree. The third bullet point. Two answers, question mark. Yeah, that's what I've gotten in reference long ago. Minimum lot sucks. That's what it boils down to. What authority do we have over minimum lot sucks? And I think that's going to tie into... Okay, great worries. I think they're going to water your yard. Yes. But this is where these pieces start to come together is if we have the authority and And we mandate that anything that's a tier one, you know, is on a water distribution system, then individual whales go out and, I mean, they're out of play, complete. So then you're talking about just the septic. And so it's, you know, and if you have just a septic, and I'm probably going to mistake this, if it's just a septic or just a well, then half acre is the minimum lot size, according to TCEQ, is that correct? You're able to be in the same part and then you're using OSS set up that's half-acre. Yeah. The view on... as a court and TCQ, is that correct? We don't want to be in the same part. And you're using the OSSF, that's half acre. Did you own a well and use the OSSF, that's an acre? It's an acre. So those are minimum standards. So, it's not a lot of the above, it's the increase, but then we can, but then I'm saying they reverts back to if this court decides to adopt and has the authority to enforce it a water distribution. Well, that's a conservation method. That means there's less wells that are being put in there. So then we have to then balance. Okay, so from an OSF, OSF standpoint, then what does that do, do we keep that minimum lot size of a half acre or can it be one acre or what is it? Because now you don't have the competition between wastewater and groundwater competing out of that same property. And I'm sure there's some examples out there. Somebody's thought through this before as well. Put a lot of of things. Of course, I think you're sharing the building, but I'm really excited to hear their sessions feel around them. I'm talking about a flag on, and I'm sure there's a better idea saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. believe that if there is some type of legislative action that comes out about flag lots, it is to allow them rather than restrict them. That would be. Name., the builders being proposed to be, but whether that happens and it builds its own. So to restrict them in the sense of, you cannot have flag lines. I would be trying to get a little bit of a radius and all that. Yeah, I can feel the pressure. Yeah, you're going to have a restriction on your phone, on your flag. Yeah, that's going to become the next part of it. What is what's the definition of a flag? What is it? You know, I mean, because, you know, technically, if you're, if your pole portion is, you know, five acres and it stretches for 10 or 15 acres, and then you've got a flag coming off of it, that's another 50 acres. That technically is a flag lot. So what? So. actually. Okay, so I'm going to put a water in there. I'm looking at the reason that the parts of the site are trash. Even if it is not the case you get it for flag and you got a 25 foot pole, you're not gonna give two Bs or without saying it's the same time. When you're restricted, no emergency responder access. I find that where a lot of people really had trouble withged. It's a 25 foot ride-away road covering everything. Got a part to the fire or whatever. I remember back there at the back there on my island. And I can't quote it off the top of the head but I think that was part of in this revision of it and this writing That was why we have a 60 foot road frontage Is to To to try to address that issue, but then they also have to comply with separation for driveway permits. And I think I've got in my notes to address the, um, uh, was the right word, not community, but, uh, shared access. I, if we did not have shared access, and we stood by Mr. Managed, do you remember off the top of your head what our separation is? Is it like 320 feet, something like that? Trying to get 200 million. Okay. So, so if we, if we, if we did not have shared access, we maintained 60 foot of ride away separation, I mean, 60 foot, road frontage, and maintained 250 foot separation. I think we would be addressing most of the safety concerns and driveway density concerns and road maintenance concerns. They built the road inside. Now, if they build their own road, then our road construction. Well, but our road construction. Well, but then it also goes into, or is that a private road? Or are they doing that public dedication? I mean, the landowner has options. They do have options as to what they want to do. But we've got one available kind of five days. But it kind of goes, we need to do our due diligence and kind of proofing this, running through it, and run some scenarios to see, okay, what are the 40 of us out there and how we address most of those 40 of us? I mean, we can't address everything. That's what I want to make that kind of a while ago, which makes me go for that book for one of the times and pick out everything he thinks he can have a problem with. It soon gets over the next day and it's a fun job. Yeah. And he's got two more. They're on. I mean, you're going to have white water. That's probably what I'm going to do. They have a lot of property. Yeah, I mean, you're losing a lot of property one way or another. That is. That's one of the ways that you... Yeah. I, this is just my belief too, is, you know, several times, and I don't know how many of them can, I guess, say it's four or something, I guess it's 12. But several times we've had people come in and ask for variances on our subdivision regulations. And I'm a proponent of if you're not going to enforce it, don't put it in there. I mean, if we're going to give a variance every time somebody comes up and says, hey, this condition exists. And most of the variances that I've seen that were asked for, deal with the Tier II subdivisions is the positive Tier I. I mean, out there in the flat area, the county road that you remember which one to talk about, I don't remember the county road number. Yeah. So I can't really... ...create it. You remember which one to talk about? I don't remember the county road number. Yeah. I think that that sounds about right. Put in four lots and then they, you know, one lot was pre-existing and they split off property in the cell. they want to do a shared driveway for this one and they wanted to do individual driver's for this one and they wanted to do individual mailboxes that, I mean, and then kind of the same scenario played out with out it. Maybe 24 wide. Yeah. And then the kind of the same scenario is played out here. I don't bark in lane on South mountain. That, um, how many times did we go through that? Plating,co? And ultimately, what we did was we created more driveways and more access on Barton Lane. And really, we need to be, in my opinion, we need to be looking at how can we expand Barton Lane, it's not just a county road. I mean, it is a, it's a connector between old Osage and Highway 84. I mean, yeah, I mean, that may have brought up on how to come forward. Just, you know, we're talking about, because somebody has built a set that we don't really pedal Viking app, you know, lot of up. I don't know. I just got four of this. You know, we're talking about somebody to deal with that thing. You know, we can tell they can't, you know, put a set of things in. What about the developer? Because we have certain individual. That person didn't do what he said he. You know, they will put that. It's very much. If you're going to set the end to. not quite that name now that we can work out about it. And so it's justper was the co-host and the utility user. And I have to say, maybe they have a set of things. I can kind of let the presentation. I started in my in my mouth. It was my presence. There there are two aspects and I'm not going to get into the weeds of it, but. There there is a. A certain level of risk that you assume when you purchase a piece of property. And you assume more risk when it is a direct sale. When you're selling me a piece of property, I assume a lot of risk. If you are selling that property through a realtor, because of those requirements of realtor, I assume a lot less risk. Position your financing versus paying cash. I mean, yeah, there's- The bank is going to make you do usually come to a survey. You know, and at the end of the day, it goes back to an old saying that, you know, a lock only keeps the honest people out. So we write these things in my opinion to protect both buyers and sellers. But we will, there are people out there that will continue to look for loop holes and they were fine. That's why I think we were right for the picking with some of these big developments that have come in. These weren't local people that came in here. They picked up this document. They read it and they understand it better than we do. Okay. Okay. So the things I've got on my list added from the last workshop is condos slash multifamily dwellings, OSS F illegal installations RV parks for OSS F exceeding TCEQ requirements, mailbox permitting requirements. I've got cluster boxes versus individual boxes. Construction setbacks and I've got that tied into the international fire code standards. Potentially addressing wind farms and solar farms. But yeah, if they're not subdividing the property, I don't know that we really like do you think and then um so I said that we put it in there and it's a stakeholder which is that we do not want when terrible when you're talking. And they're just saying you like to do it, don't you? You can only build it. He really did. Oh, one way. These are my most came rooms. They'll just bring the brother out about. And I don't know what I don't know anything about. I don't think we have any control over that because that gets into zoning and 232. I'm going to go 232 is very clear that we have no zoning authority. I mean. Governor Code 232 is very clear that we have no zoning authority. I mean, cities have immense latitude with zoning as long as they're consistent. And they even have some crazy requirements that cities, incorporated cities, or required if they have zoning, they're required to identify an area that they zone for adult entertainment. But that grade, we don't have any of those authorities. own. Someone wants to put in a game room or other business. I don't know that there's listed by like some self health and safety code. I don't know that there's... And we did have one a couple years ago where an area that had been subdivided with the intent of being residential. The guy put in a body shop, an auto body repair shop, between two houses. It's in the county. Is there anything else you don't, it's not not in ours. I know we've asked for them before. But I want to look into seeing part of the if they,, if, if, if in fact it's going to be operating under an HOA or a LWA Land Owners Association. Can we specifically require them to submit a copy of their HOA or LWA as part of them permitting process. I think I have that somewhere. I think I have that language in there. Yeah. It was the second point on duty. Yeah. Yeah, oh, and required to submit that in a certain time during the application process. The intercom say I don't I don't remember when we can. We have that authority or not to make that part of them. But I know we have asked for number four and some of them have been more than willing to cover under? We didn't go into permitting requirements. Mr. Manick, is there anything from a permitting? Requirements standpoint that we need to like Well, we've whipping down Those menus out there and we've lost ground idea for firing at me for driveway permits. We don't know what all that would entail, but we've talked about it pouring up the thing so that we install ourselves because As it is right now, we've got a 16 foot county road when I go out and have a look at a permit said all major from center road tell me got so many beat off center road well that may not be in the dish line and the reason we do that is that with any time we go in and redo road trying to make a 20B, we don't want to reach install lots of droplet or droplet holders. But these contractors for whatever reason can on an understand the grass for that. And I can't figure out that they got them dig down and put a, put a whole bird in. to match the elevation so that the dishwasher can get on over, go through, come back out and get back in the stage. Oh, we couldn't, we couldn't put a thing in there. in the max elevation so that the water can get over, go through, come back out and be back in the day to chill. Oh, we could, we couldn't put a thing in there. I mean, so we, that way, right way, we, there, no way we, yeah. So we've been talking about it. If, if a charge for a permit and try to recruit great costs, that's going out there and actually install them, then we know it's right and it just alleviates a big headache. And that really wouldn't put the burden on the people by the property because they're going to place them on duty anyway. Well, some of them do. So, the other person, the best one of them probably, those of these kind of people that are over there, they're doing another one and a half down, not there's one in my town, but I talked to my house. That's when you got some gas in my bag, wrote the next government I was dirty. But he didn't put it in the bottom of the ditch so I didn't even make it. Probably look at him like he got permitted out there. No, he got that. This issue, you can run into it. End of that is, I was going to get a permit and I'll tell you that. But this you can run into it. End of that is I was collected money out there and how we handle all that. Yeah. Don't give a permit to the state. I just do fight here. and bring you receive and bring you receive that thing. And then you can kind of double check if we wouldn't put it in. It might fall out of either, but the party can pay it up. You know, receive. Yeah. If they're exactly filled in it. And I mean, they'm very supposed to do that with the so vision beings also. I don't always end up with a lot of checks and the brain appears. Yes. But I think we did that with probably to get the beta with the use credit cards also. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. That was a good job. I know that the two superintendents are really wanting to do that. I think we just, when that chases down, we're really discussing with Justin. I know when I work for the state, it's when we, I mean, so my mom picks property and needed them. So when I was state, I would, they paid a fee, the bill for a meeting. I'm going to give it a go. I've added to my list. I don't know what that looks like because not everybody's going to want a 24-foot drive whether it's on a 40-foot drive or eight. So you have to just cost for that and what not. The green pump before it's done, I'm going to get the timing in 10-1 foot. Yeah, I'm going to have to set it first foot. In a minute, whatever, whatever 24 anything over that is just perfectly, but you're going to have to also set side requirements. I mean, price of size. Not everybody don't think that he has exchange over someone. No, they don't see it. Yeah. And there's some, there's one that you went to. That's not really a good idea. That's not really a song. That way anyway, You know, you know, you know, you're all until my new first six encoded for travel in. So when we're going to party. I was checking to say that another hurdle would be the big task. Most of the people, probably these people are one thing right now. Thanks for a few days for big plans to come through. If they show up and then we hit a phone line that's all I say yes but rather than on the land, whatever it is, it's not barred. If there is not what they say, it's been there when I put it. Yeah. The right way ultimately belongs to the county. Right. I think it's very good to stay in town. I think it's very good to stay in town. I think it's very good to stay in town. I think it's very good to stay in town. I think it's very good to stay in town. I think it's very good to stay in town. I think it's very good to stay in town. I think it's great to stay out here long. The right of way ultimately belongs to the county. Sure. I think it's great to stay out here long. The right of way ultimately belongs to the county. Right. And I think we have great latitude in who is allowed to and who is not allowed to dig in the right of play. I mean, to the extent that, you know, we can prohibit utilities from being placed in our right of play. And we have done that on some occasions. I'm thinking of that one that was. I will finish the batch and you know what property I'm talking about is J. Graham's property that you know what I'm talking about that we. after about the old V-Law. Yeah, thank you. Is that out? That's amazing. I'm going to see a city back up. Yes. Yeah. That utility company wanted them. I think run powerfuls to those lives. And. We lately't prevent them. We encourage them to try some easements. It's quite a lot of land over here. They give up easements and things. And ultimately, they, they can't get an easement and they've got a burden they know a lot more. It's just family. You should get there. They've touched powerful, never around their own server. County roads. Health and safety. I mean that will be very popular. Okay. Around the horn one time Commissioner Taylor. You think else. Yeah, Commissioner Matthews. Commissioner well. Commissioner. The. Commissioner Lowe. Any last elements? Okay, all right. No, very good. Appreciate everybody's time this morning. That concludes the business of the poor today. We stand adjourned.