Mayor and council we are live. Okay, welcome everyone to the April 14th, 2025 meeting of the passing city council. We'll start with the calling of roll. Council member Cole. Present. Council member Hampton. Blasting honor to be here. Councilmember Jones. Present. Councilmember Lion. Here. Councilmember Cole. Present. Council member Hampton. Bliston honor to be here. Council member Jones. Present. Council member Lion. Here. Council member Madison. Here. Council member Missuda. Here. Vice Mayor Revis. Here. Mayor Gordo. Here. There's a quorum of the Council president. Mr. Lion. Oh. Mr. Madison's statement. Madison? Yes, Mayor and all I am participating remotely under a good cause exception. I'm a little under the weather and government code section 54953F1 permits me to participate. There's no one under over 18 or no one at all with me. So I'm here by myself and we'll stay on camera during the meeting. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Lionel, will you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance here? Please stand as you're able. Place your hand over your heart. Ready? Again. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm like to have Mr. Jones join me down here. And the reason is today we are celebrating the accomplishment of the Pasinah High School Bulldogs football team for securing their first CIF section title since 1933 with a 21 17 victory over the Guard Gladiators. Many of you know that Mr. Jones and I are both graduates of Pasina High School and so and both played football at Pasina High School and so we're particularly pleased with the outcome and wanted to acknowledge the bulldogs for demonstrating significant growth, grit, and determination finishing last season with an 86 record and securing the CIF Southern section title. So I'd like to ask Principal Eric Barba and Assistant Principal Brian Lennahan, Athletic Director, Seth Parrott, and the coach, and coach Ron Jones, in Dejon Shamburger, if they're here to join us. And let's give them a round of applause. Thank you. Thank you. Coach Washington here? No, he can't. Okay. At the banquet for the Bulldogs, Mr. Jones said I was 72 years old. And so I was going to introduce him to Coach Washington, who I played with, and say to Mr. Jones that my money would be on him, even today, in one-on-one. But we're really proud. Let's have all the bulldog stand up. And let me ask you a question. Who's house? Oh, house. Who's house? Oh, house. All right. That was, that was for Mr. Hampton. That was Mr. Hampton. That was Mr. Hampton. That was Mr. Hampton. That was Mr. Hampton. That was Mr. Hampton. That was Mr. Hampton. That was Mr. Hampton. That was Mr. Hampton. So let me just present all of you with a certificate that should hang very proudly at Pasina High School and congratulations and thank you for bringing home the championship. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Applause. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thankes. These are a lot bigger people than we're used to have. We didn't like the word horseshoes. I all going back there. Oh, I'm going back be standing right here. Right here. Right here. Right here. I'm going to take the heart of Jesus. I'm going to take the heart of Jesus. I'm going to take the heart of Jesus. I'm going to take the heart of Jesus. I'm going to take the heart of Jesus. I'm going to take the heart of Jesus. I'm going to take the heart of Jesus. I'm going to take the heart of Jesus. I'm going to take the heart of Jesus. I'm going to take the heart of Jesus. I think we move up. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right, Rick. I need to move up. Thank you. All right. Ready? One, two, Who's house? Who's house? That was the dog. That was the dog. I'm going to get out. You ring on. Next, again, thank you, bulldogs for bringing it home. Next, we have a proclamation if I can ask Latissia Lopez, Mara Harrington, and come up to accept this proclamation. Today, in Pasadena, we are recognizing that sexual assault affects people of every age, race, sex, gender, identity, sexual orientation, religion, national origin, and socioeconomic background. The commission on the status of women is mindful of the fact that sexual assault remains a serious issue in our society. And the importance of each of us speaking out against it in order to change attitudes, to change attitudes that allow sexual assaults to persist is important. So on behalf of the City Council, I hereby proclaim the month of April 2025 in passing a sexual assault prevention and awareness month and encourage everyone to wear jeans on April 30th as part of Denim Day an international effort to communicate that there is no excuse and never an invitation to rape. Good evening, Mayor Gordo and members of City Council, staff and the public. Thank you for saying so much about this. You took some of my comments, but I'll repeat some. My name is Maura Harrington. I currently serve as the Vice Chair for the City's Commission on the Status of Women. I have with me Jill Thompson, who represents District 3. I'm District 6 and let me see where Pfizer Lopez. We're delighted to have this opportunity to accept this proclamation. You have done it many years before and I just want to make a couple of comments. Denim Dei is more than just a symbolic gesture. Many of you may be aware that this really started in 1990 in Italy when there was a case where a woman was blamed for being raped because she wore jeans that were considered too tight. So now in honor of that, we all wear denim on the 30th once a year to raise awareness about the how still, unfortunately, that people are still blamed and are victimized. Many of you may know that one in five women and one in 33 men fall victim every year to sexual abuse. By issuing this pop proclamation, we feel that you are helping break the silence and the stigma that often results. We really appreciate your support for the message for survivors and those who are trying to ways awareness. And we also feel that it empowers local organizations. We're deeply grateful for your leadership on this and hope you continue to promote it. Thank you. You're welcome to stay dogs, but if you need to get to your homework or practice, this might be a good time to. Mr. Mayor, I want to add my congratulations to the team and to both of you as alums of passing high school. I wonder why you were dogging, Councilmember Hampton, because I would point out that when I was at Blair we won the CIF Championship as well. Well, we didn't want to leave you out. More recently than passing high school, for example, in the past? Oh, all right. Well, there's a rivalry you may have heard of between Ph.S. and Mir, but so noted, I almost turned to you and said that was for you to actually the the Viking. Appreciate the inclusion. That's right. There's another one. Yeah. Where there. Where there's one there's more. Okay. On a more somber note, Pasadena, I'm saddened to inform, has lost two great residents and friends, and many of us lost personal friends. I was saddened to learn and communicated to all of you that we lost passing a resident and our friend Doug Kranweiko who was deeply involved in our community. graduating graduating from law school in 1965, and just an interesting factoid, Doug attended law school with Mayor Bill Bogard at the University of Michigan, and they went on to be lifelong friends. Doug served as a law clerk for US Chief Justice Earl Warren and lived in Pasadena since 1967. And many of you may be aware that Doug was instrumental in working with Earl Warren during one of the most pivotal times in America as it relates to civil rights and actually wrote many of the opinions that the court issued during that pivotal time in our country's history. Doug raised two children with his wife Susan, and later enjoyed spending time with his six grandchildren. In his professional life, Doug served as a managing partner at O'Melvoney and Myers, and went on to serve as executive vice president and general counsel for Univision, Television Group. Again, during a very pivotal time was a part of growing one of the largest media companies and forces in the world. He was active as we, many of us know, in Pasadena serving as Co-Chair of the Eroio Advisory, which led to the formation of one Eroio foundation whose aim is to restore and preserve the Eroio's seco area. He served as president of the Rose Bowl operating company, Board of Directors, and it was a member of the steering committee for the Rose Bowl Institute. He also had previously served as chair of the Pasina Task Force on Financial Administration and Internal Controls and was chair of the Polytechnic Board of Trustees. Was a member of the Board of Trustees of the Greater Los Angeles YMCA, the National Association of Broadcasters and the California Chamber of Commerce. Doug was a kind soul with a brilliant mind and his commitment to justice, equality, and public service left to mark that on our city, but on this nation. He was a force in the law in politics and in the long march towards civil rights in America. Let me just say from my perspective, Doug was a great friend, a mentor to me and to many of us around this dias, always taking the time to provide guidance and advice and it's with great sadness that I asked the council to adjourn in Doug's memory. Sadness but also pride in having known Doug worked closely with him and knowing how much he cared about this community and the people of this community. And so I ask friends that we adjourn in memory of our friend and great American, and Pasadena and Doug Ramleagle. Mr. Madison. Thank you, Mayor. Very, very well put. And I will belabor the point other than to just say that, you know, this was truly a great man and a great Pasadena. And he was a mentor to me as well. I served with him on the RBOC. You know, solicited and always received when I did his advice, which was unfailingly wise and measured. You know, I think about Doug and you mentioned his law school classmate Bill Bogart. They both lived in the married students housing at Michigan Law School. They both claimed that they did well in law school and became members of the bar by sort of peaking at the others' notes. And you know, just Bill and Doug and that generation represents the best that we have to offer. You know, I tell people Doug was old school in only the best positive ways that old school. You know, there's a lot of old school that perhaps we shouldn't be proud of, but you know, in Doug's case, it meant service, it meant being a gentleman. And, you know, there was like an inverse relationship between his tremendous abilities and his ego. you know he he was egoless. And I think two more things quickly, if I could mayor about Doug is that, you know, if you want to get something done, ask a busy person. And just from your recitation of the different things that Doug was involved in, just very, very important aspects of our community and in his career, again, defined by service and giving. And the other thing is for all the lawyer jokes and the like, and Doug would be the first to laugh at a lawyer joke or to sort of laugh at our own expense as lawyers the way we think or the way we behave. But Doug was one of those people that understood how to think analytically and could bring that to bear in dealing with problems as varied as you've described mayor from the Eroio to issues in the schools to the Rose Bowl operating company during a time of tremendous change. So, really, really going to miss Doug. And as you mentioned mayor and it was well put, very proud to have known him and to have been fortunate enough to have him in our community. We shouldn't and you touched on it. We shouldn't forget his tremendous sense of humor for all of us who had the great honor of knowing Doug, one of the best parts of his personality was the sense of humor and finding humor and virtually all that he did. So for me it's a tremendous loss of a mentor and great friend and I know that many of you around the dies feel the way that way. Mr. Jones. Thanks, Marin. I just wanted to lend my words and thoughts of of condolences to Doug, his family, Susan. Doug was a mentor and a friend to me and Susan and Doug would often take out Natalia and I to dinner and just offer his words of wisdom and opine on things he thought I was doing right and things he thought I was doing wrong. But he was just a kind soul and I think he embodies what Pasadena is all about, it's just service to our community. And I remember we was sitting at the Rose Bowl game and Doug said, you know, Justin, there's going to be a time where we passed the the baton to the next generation and If I could teach anything to the people that's coming after me is just to put Service first and everything else will fall in line and I always held on to those words and you know Doug was just I think we're going to really miss Doug But Doug's spirit is still around here He touched a touched a lot of folks on the council. It touched a lot of folks within the city. And so I know his words and his work and his service to our city will not go and done. It will continue. And so forever, I'm grateful to even have known Doug. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Jones. And so we will adjourn and oh Mr. Hampton. Yeah I just I remember I just give a story with the first time I got elected to City Council I got an email from Doug and he said I tight-run I want to meet you and I saw Google them I was like I don't know who you are so let me I want to I'll meet you as well but I first asked him do you do you live in the first district and he said, no, I don't know who you are. So let me, I want to all meet you as well. But I first asked them, do you live in the first district? And he said, no, I don't. But I'm just really involved in the city and love to meet with you. And so after Google and them, I said, OK, you know, I definitely want to meet this guy. He said, I was like a person that you would want to know. or just to me. And over the years, we formed a relationship, formed a bond, you know, to see or just to me. Over the years, we formed a relationship, formed a bond. It's a CM at different events, called him from time to time. He'd call me from time to time. Just to check in and say hello. Even in the thing I have to say, I really genuinely appreciate about Doug was the fact that even if you didn't agree, right? It didn't mean we just cut communication from one another, we continue to move forward. And if this is what Councilmember Madison was getting at an old school way of doing things, I just hope that the next generation is able to grasp and hold on to that. As Councilmember Jones mentioned, and you all mentioned his humor, you know, he laughing my jokes all the time. I don't know if he was laughing at you all jokes. He might have been being nice, but my jokes are kind of funny. Not necessarily. But he was probably being nice though. I would just I would just say that, I just hope that our next generation is of that where we don't necessarily have to agree on something to continue to move forward. And Doug was the person that was like, we're gonna move forward and we're gonna make this city a better place. We're gonna make this world a better place. And we don't have a lot of people. I mean, at least, you know, just watching the news, etc. Just folks with good moral integrity. And Doug was one of those folks and he lived that. Everything he said, he was an embodiment of that. And as Councilmember Jones mentioned, I believe that, you know, we are all energy and energy never dies. And so he will live on through all of the lives that he's touched, each and every one of us, his children, and his children's friends, et cetera. He will constantly be here and he will always have a fingerprint here in the city of Pasadena. I love him, I love his family, and I just appreciate his family for giving him the support that he needed to be able to support our community. Because without that support from your family base, as y'all all know this, this work would be a lot harder. So I just want to thank his family, his wife, his children, for giving us the opportunity to know him. Thank you. Thank you, Mr Hampton and I have been in touch with Susan and his kids and we'll keep both all informed as to celebration of life. Okay. with that, more sad news, a good friend of Doug's and Pasadena, Jim Eucropina, also passed away recently. many of us know Jim Eucropina and Doug were famously good friends, often ribbing each other. And I had the great honor and privilege of knowing Jim as well. Jim earned his bachelor's degree in MBA from Stanford University and his law degree from USC in 1965. In his professional life, he served as director of law keyed Martin Corporation, Chairman, CEO of Pacific Enterprises, President of the WM Kek Foundation and was of counsel at O'Melvaney and Myers and also authored numerous articles in corporate governance and other, I'm sorry, corporate governance, advisor and other professional journals. As a member of the advisor to numerous boards, Jim had extensive experience in corporate governance. He previously served on a variety of boards, including Lockheed Martin Pacific Life, Indie Mac, Bang Corp, Occidental College, the California Chamber of Commerce, and Stanford University's Board of Trustees, among others. Passing has suffered a great loss with Jim's passing, and he will be long remembered. For those of you who knew, dugget and Jim and they shared a great friendship and both also a great sense of humor and we were very fortunate to have Jim Eucropina who lived in in Pasadena and contributed greatly, not to Pasadena, but again to the world back to the point that has been made. You know, we're very fortunate that this generation of Pasadenas, including Jim Yucropina, dedicated themselves to Pasadena. And we're all the better for it as a people and as a city and so I would ask that we adjourn in memory of our French and Eucropina as well. Okay. Yeah. And I also wanted to ask that a role or I'm sorry, remind everyone that next week City Council meeting is canceled due to the Easter holiday Sunday. And our next meeting is April 28th between those two meetings is an important date that I wanted to bring to your attention. And that's the day of remembrance of the Armenian genocide. 110 years ago on April 24th, 1915, the Turkish government perpetrated against Iranian people. What is commonly referred to as the first genocide of the 20th century, which continued until 1923 and resulted in the death of 1.5 million Armenian men, women, and children. Since memories fade with time, it's important to remind ourselves about the human tragedies that have taken place. Those who survived the Armenian genocide and their successors have had to work hard to make these tragic events known to the world and as a community. And it's appropriate for us to stand together with our Armenian brothers and sisters in an effort to memorialize their fallen ancestors and to ensure that this horrible act is not repeated. And so I would ask that we remember the Armenian genocide and all who perished in that. Mr. Jones? And Mary, during that time, tomorrow is actually Jackie Robinson Day. And that's the day he broke the color barrier in the MLB. So I would ask that we remember that as well. Thank you. Okay. Thank you colleagues and we'll move on with the agenda and I'll be sending communications to Doug and Jim's family on behalf of the City Council. With that, let's turn to public comment for matters not on the agenda. Isabella Lloyd-Dum-Johnnavich, followed by Joe Coletti, followed by Alan Shay, then Michael Flynn. Two minutes, go ahead. Good evening, council members. My name is Isabella Lothian-Mianovitch. I'm a resident of Pasadena and a Masters in Social Work student at USC. I'm here today to ask about what resources the city of Pasadena plans to make available to our unhoused residents during the upcoming heat waves next month and this summer. The Pasadena Environmental Advisory Commission shared a memorandum with City Council last month, highlighting how the loss of vegetation and tree canopy from the Eaton wildfire will only exacerbate the effects of the urban heat island where our buildings and pavement reflect an absorb heat from the sun. Average temperatures in Pasadena, as you know, range within the 90s to 100s between June and September, and often hit above 100 degrees. The hottest day on record was September 6, 2020 when the temperature was recorded at 115 degrees. When temperatures are high during the day and they remain high at night, and people don't have access to clean cold drinking water, air conditioning or shade, then they become particularly susceptible to heat-related illnesses. Heat heart attacks, stroke, and respiratory failure also become more fatal during these events. About half of the heat-related deaths in LA County last year were due to happen to unhoused residents alone, and it's likely that this data is vastly undercounted. I agree with the Environmental Advisory Committee that this is a matter of environmental justice and public health, and that goals, policies, and measurable outcomes related to addressing this issue should be included in the city's plans on open space and conservation, climate action and public health. There are many things that the city can do in the short term, including setting up hydration stations around offering cold water at key areas around the city, including transit hubs, placing shaded canopies with fans at public areas, including parks and recreation centers, and opening indoor cooling centers. Your time has expired. Thank you for your consideration. Thank you. Joe Coletti, Mr. Mayor. Can I ask if there are additional practical ideas she has? We'd be happy to receive your ideas in an email and we'll make sure if you send it to the city clerk or to my office we'll circulate it among the council. Thank you. Dr. Gleady. Mr. Mayor, vice mayor. City Council, community stakeholders adopted the name Pasadena by a majority vote 150 years ago. Next week on Tuesday, April 22nd, a week from tomorrow, it will be 150 years when community stakeholders first named their settlement Pasadena. Community stakeholders adopted a name Pasadena by a majority vote on April 22nd, 1875. In a historical account, states that a number of names were suggested and three were put to a vote. One of the three names was Grenada. The historical account states that those in favor of Grenada argued that our productions in climatic conditions were similar to those of the region of Grenada, Spain, which the genius of the author Washington Irvine Irving had immoral ties and therefore would be appropriate. One of the other names was Indian Nola, the historical account states that up until now, the area was called the Indiana colony because a number of the first settlers were from Indiana. Some felt that the name Indian Nola would retain a hint of the name Indian colony. The third proposed name was Pasadena, the historical account states that Dr. Thomas B. Elliott presented the name Pasadena and stated that it was an Indian name, the meaning of which was crowned the valley and arguably appropriateness and the historical account also states that a motion to adopt the name Pasadena prevailed by a vote of more than four to one of those present. So to Dr. Elliott, the community is indebted for the same, for the name Pasadena. Please note that before the Civil War, Dr. Elliott was an abolitionist and served as a physician on a station of the underground railroad, and it has buried locally at the Mountain View Cemetery in Mosulay. And the last thing I want to say is this, Mr. Mayor, Vice Mayor and Council, that perhaps during the next city council meeting something could be said or done to commemorate the 150th anniversary in honor of the many who have given meaning over the years and the many who continue to give meaning to the adopted name, I think Pasadena. Thank you. Thank you. In honor of the many who have given meaning over the years and the many who continue to give meaning to the adopted name Thank Cassadena. Thank you. Thank you doctor. Alan Shay Well, by Michael Flynn then Shayna Reed then Dylan Banner then Yachty Okay, Mr. Flynn you're up You hear your name. Please work your way to the front of the room. Shana Reed, then Dylan Banner, then Yadi. Hello, I'm a Caltech PhD student, and I'm requesting that divestment from companies contributing to the current Gaza crisis be added to the agenda. And here are four reasons. First, according to a recent Pew Research poll, 37% of Republicans and 69% of Democrats hold a negative view of Israel. This extrapolates to 61% in Pasadena using registered voter demographics, a super majority of your constituents, and a record-hide driven by the conflict in Gaza. Second, on January 26, 2024, the ICJ gave a preliminary ruling that there is a plausible risk of genocide in Gaza and ordered Israel to take preventative measures, including the provision of humanitarian aid. Since March 2, Israel has blocked all humanitarian aid. If this continues, the gossens will starve. In the meantime, gossens are actively killed by bullets and bombs that claim innocent lives every day. This is a genocide. In 100 years, people may ask, what were they doing during the Gaza Holocaust? Third, last week, the city cited fiduciary duty as an obstacle to divestment, an objection also heard during Pasadena's courageous decision in 1988 to divest from South Africa. As reported by the LA Times on October 6, 1988, local leaders made it clear. What kind of example do we set when we allow employee money to be used to support an institution, South Africa that discriminates, director, director, Loretta Thompson-Glicman said. It seems real simple to me, another director said, maybe we can make more money, but that's not the type of profits I want any part of. William Paparian added, that is the price you pay for taking a principled position. Fourth, the city of Pasadena's official investment policy includes the consideration of environmental, social, and governance factors, which include the consideration of human rights. I urge Pasadena to continue its ethical tradition and divest now. Thank you. Thank you. Alan. Mr. Shay Cier. Alan Shay. Mr. Shay, welcome. Good afternoon, Mayor Gordo and city council members. I am standing before you as usual asking that items be agendas. Because they continue to be raised in the community. One of them is certainly the underground wiring and the status. I did get a report that indicates that nothing has been activated since 2019. I think we need to agenda so we can get a clarification on that and discuss it, especially in the wake of the fire. Two, we should have a nice agenda issue regarding the police oversight final conclusion as to which way we're going to go because the staff had made a recommendation in this council just through it back and as you can see every week there's something going on that would give this commission power and means to act efficiently. Third, Mr. Odom Denham isn't here, so he called me up and asked if I could speak about his agenda item. He did meet with the attorney here in Pasadena and was given information, but he liked that item to be a gen dies so we can bring that to a close as to how it was dealt with. Those items should be a gen dies. This is nothing out of the unusual and all of these items at least most of them was considered by the staff it made present it to you as a as the board or the governing body of the city Pasadena and we need resolutions thank you thank you shena read followed by Dylan banner followed by yadi miss read welcome Hello, my name is Shayna and I lost my home in the Alte Dina eating fires. I'm here today to ask that you prioritize rent relief for people who lost their homes in Alte Dina. I know we're under a different jurisdiction. However, many of us are just as much members as of Pasad as we are Altadena. We want to school in Pasadena, we frequent Pasadena businesses, and we invest a lot of our lives, money and time into the Pasadena community. Many of us have been displaced throughout all of Los Angeles County. And that not only hurts us and our families, it also hurts Pasadena as we're not here, building community, also spending funds and contributing to the Pasadena economy. I ask that you incentivize landlords for rent control and rent vouchers for Al-Tedena residents who were displaced by this fire. Many of Altadena residents were maybe under-insured or uninsured. And even with insurance, it's not guaranteed that your rent will continue to be paid and we're already living in a county and city that already has a housing crisis. That's it. Thank you. Thank you. Gil Barrel, followed by Dylan Banner, Than Yaddi, Than Randall Hine, Lamb. Hi. So I am displaced with my youngest son. We are a district two, we're residents from district two. We're staying, my youngest son and I are staying in a small studio size backhouse. I'm renting, it's costing me about $500 more than the two bedroom home that I usually rent. I'm a single parent. This is something I cannot afford. I have renters insurance, but I'm reaching the full amount that I have from interest insurance in order to pay for extra expenses. I know that homes around our home has high elevated amounts of lead and other contaminants. I'm trying to be able to afford to get testing in my home. My landlords, they have done remediation. It was awful and they came back four times to clean four times. And they said they did testing but they refused to disclose what testing they've done by whom and what the results are. I was told that they completed remediation and testing last week. This is something I'm not ready to go back home and I don't know how I'm going to be able to afford continuous rent. That is my situation. I cannot leave Pasadena. Their dad isn't Pasadena. My work is in Pasadena. And I think, you know, I've been through difficulties, but for the first time, I am truly scared. And I really need some kind of assistance. I'm already on medical. I'm already on SNAP. I'm doing everything I can and putting a lot of my effort into trying to get what other financial assistance I can. Thank you, Ms. Barrett. Thank you. Dylan Banner, followed by Yachty, followed by Randall Heine-Lam, and then Kimberly Douglas is joining us virtually. Thank you, Council for your attention. You have a lot of important issues that come in front of you, and so I will try to make the one I'm going to bring up as easy as possible. At the last council meeting, there were several members of the public who spoke in favor of divesting from some companies that are profiting from the genocide in Gaza currently. And it was suggested that those people approach the board of directors of the retirement fund directly. I'd just like to give a little bit of history on how divestment from South Africa took place In 1986 the city council began the process of divestment by conducting an audit of all city investments to determine which were tied to South Africa in any way The audit found that the city had no investments in South Africa whatsoever, which is great But that that the Pasadena Fire and Police Retirement Fund unfortunately did. A contemporary press report documenting this was published in the LA Times on August 28, 1986. To ensure that the city itself did not unwittingly enter any future engagements with South Africa, and to send a signal to the Retirement Fund that it should divest from South Africa, the Pasadena Board of Directors, as this body was then known, amended the city treasurer's statement of investment policy to prohibit city investments in all companies even doing business with South Africa. So not just South African companies, any company doing business with South Africa. This process is documented in a memo from the city manager to the Board of Directors titled proposed policy on South African investment stated September 17th, 1986. In fact, so strong was the Pasadena Board of Directors desire to divest from South Africa that in response to concerns expressed by the Directors of the Retirement Fund, Pasadena passed a resolution committing the city to pay the entire legal bill of any retirement fund director who might be sued as a Consequence of their decision to divest the fund from South Africa and compliance with city council ordinance This is codified and passed into ordinance 69. Oh, sorry 62 96 past December 19th 1988 Here's Jim's I'm going on. Thank you, sir. Thank you Y Yadi, followed by Randall Hain, and Lam, followed by Kimberly Douglas. Yadi, welcome. Hi. I was going to keep a brief. And you guys know that I'm here to again ask for you to agenda is discussing the eat and fire. action and I just want to say to the folks here that are lost their homes that I am so sorry for your loss. And I will commit to being here every week until we get answers of what happened and what we can do better to help our community. Because there are a lot of people not just that lost their homes but are still, you know, also suffering from the effects of having to live in the evacuation zone. There are many of us that have to rebuild not just the ones that lost our homes and I'm here because Mr. Magnum isn't here to be able to say that he's not living in Pasadena and these are his, you know, he's an elderly person and you should be here complaining about coyotes and, you know, other, you know, matters like that, not about being displaced. That's all I want to say. Thank you. Thank you. Randall Heinland, then Kimberly Douglas. Mr. Heinland, welcome. Thank you very much. I wasn't Randall Heinland, Pasadena resident for the last 29 years in homeowner in Jess Revis' district. I wasn't planning to speak here tonight, but then I was inspired by the comments that were made regarding the Armenian genocide. Many of those Armenians who survived the genocide took their place as refugees in Palestine in the 1920s and beyond. And the Palestinians did what they could to provide them with shelter, food, and sucker in the time of great travail, travail. This Wednesday, several of us will be going before the police and fireman's retirement board to raise the issue of divesting. One of the few things that we can actually do as Pasadena residents and leaders to try to offer aid and sucker to the Palestinians who are now at the brink of agenocide. This evening I left a vigil on South Lake Avenue, a vigil that has continued every Monday since October 2023. One of the signs that was carried there asked the question, what will you tell your grandchildren when they ask, what did you do to stop the genocide in Gaza? And I'd like to leave that question here with this council as we will be sure to be coming back after we meet with the board. Thank you very much Thank you Kimberly Douglas Douglas I don't see your share Okay, I'm I'm muted go ahead. Okay Yes, I'm Kimberly Douglas and I'm here to speak out we we the people of the United States are witnessed It's not party to the outrageous atrocity of Mr. Abrego Garcia being taken with no legal process and locked into it, El Salvadorian Prince prison for life. This atrocity should horrify everyone. I'm reminded of the Voltaire's point regarding an origin of such atrocities. Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Everyone here, everyone listening needs to think through what absurdities are being spread that we allow a man here legally to be kidnapped by unmarked authorities and taken against his will with no understanding of why and removed from the country and imprisoned. Another fact is that if we allow this to happen to Mr. Obrego Garcia, then no one is safe. It can happen to anyone, any citizen, and that was actually said to date in the Oval Office. We cannot allow this to happen. I fear there would be no law if we allow this to happen. And outrage must be ubiquitous and loud and everywhere. Thank you. Mayor, Mr. Radis, I didn't know this would come up tonight on the agenda and I just wanted to disclose for the record that my law firm represents Mr. Abrago Garcia and obviously we share the sentiments of the comment but I don't know if anyone's thinking about the council being involved but I didn't want to disclose that relationship. Thank you. Thank you. That completes public comment on matters not on the agenda. Thank you. Mr. Hampton, I appreciate all the public commenters that came to speak. The first one about Pasadena and naming I appreciate that history and I think the council should look at some way of commemorating that or recognizing it somewhere. Maybe in our newly built library when it's all said and done to have something that says when the city was named was found, et cetera, et cetera, I appreciate it the comments. And then for the speaker that talked about the heat wave and what we do for our residents, instead of just getting her information, I think public works should reach out to her to let her know what we actually do now. We do have cooling rooms, we do have hydration stations throughout the city. And then if there's something that we could add to that, I would love to hear the points that she has for us. And then as far as the underground and goes from the comments about, well, let me start with the underground. So as far as the underground, it goes, that's supposed to go to the MSC. And I don't know what the day line or the timeline is. Do you have a timeline? Yeah, it's coming to MSC within the next few months. And it's also in our CIP right now. So we have three underground projects in the CIP currently. And then we'll discuss it at MSC. Is there a way we could just give Mr. Shay a date just to give an idea of the month that we expected to come to MSC that way? He doesn't think you won't come to the council and asking us the same exact thing. A date for MSC? Just like a date of the month, you know, maybe June, July. Oh, I mean, yeah, sure. It's coming within the next few months, But I have Mr. Shade's contact, I'll call him once I get the dates litified. Perfect. And then for... Oh, I mean, yeah, sure it's coming within the next few months, but I have Mr. Shade's contact I'll call him once I get the dates litified perfect and then from for Mr. Denham who's typically is here all the time I Have requested this to come to public safety as well. So if we could get a date out that was For this week's It's rescheduled okay, so it's scheduled for the next public safety meeting So we just let them know when the next public safety meeting is that way we just have the the timelines on that So those are my comments for the public commenters. I appreciate everybody who's coming out tonight Mayor if I may I'm one quick one as well. Yes for folks who are planning to come to the Pasadena Police and Fire Retirement System Board this week the meeting is canceled for this month. So they will meet in the third week of what about three in April. The third week of May is the next meeting because there's a special City Council meeting this week. In terms of the undergrounding, the Council recently approved the undergrounding, the next segment of undergrounding, Raymond. So that work continues, has continued. Okay. I understand. I think that the question was to bring it up as a discussion of where we're at with the undergrounding. How long it's gonna take another 405 years to finish all the underground? Well, all the underground is a different topic, but the Raymond item did come up at City Council and I think I had questions and I believe you had or someone else had questions as well. And then to the MSC, we're gonna add, there's another segment that's impacted by the fire that we're going to look at putting nose underground, so including it into this year's CIP. But I'm happy to reach out to Mr. Shay when we solidify a date to discuss that. Thank you. Okay. I'm not complete. That completes public comment. Mr. Coleson in the queue, sir. Mr. Coleson. In regard to both the public comment and your noting of the anniversary date of the Armenian genocide, I know that the Armenian Bar Association has also raised the question of investments in Azerbaijan, which invaded and the Gorno-Karabakh region or Artsakh, as it's also called, displacing some 130,000 people making them refugees into Armenia. I know the council and myself are reluctant to wade into international affairs, except in the most egregious of situations. But I think there is some value again, as I suggested last week, in having a discussion in general at the Finance Committee and so I'd like to reiterate my support for at least a discussion of whether we need to look at our investment policy again as we did in the 1980s. Thank you. We'll move on to the consent calendar. And there is one item to be pulled is item five for Councilmember Jones. I'll let him say. Out of abundance of caution, I will accuse myself because this item involves LA County Public Works, which is my direct employer. Okay. So we'll hold. I'm not sure. Oh, so let's, is there a motion on the remainder of the consent calendar? Some move. Second. Okay. Well, we have to do roll call. Roll call. To approve all the consent items except for item five councilmember co co Yes, councilor Hampton. Yes, councilor Jones. Yes, councilor lion. Yes, councilor Madison. Yes, councilor Monsuda. Yes, vice mayor Revis. Yes mayor Gordo Yes, that motion is unanimously approved and Mr. Jones is leaving Okay on item five Ms. Revis did you? Thank you mayor and I Will move the motion by just wanted to make a few comments that there have been several residents in my district that have had concerns And I've been discussing this matter with them or the past months including this weekend And I wanted to run through a couple things and also ask a couple questions of staff if they are available as well. I got some more questions today so I just wanted to pass those along. I'll second the motion. Thank you. Vice mayor, staff is here and available to answer questions. Great so just briefly my comments I've been supportive of this project and I still am, but as I mentioned, there's a number of residents who have had concerns. I've been working closely with them to understand and address those concerns. Thank you to Don for working with those residents as well. And the rest of your colleagues and public works. So I just want to make a couple things clear for residents who are listening in or we'll hear about this later. First is that both I and staff and I believe the mayor as well and I'm sure the rest of the council share residents desire to preserve the unique and historic nature of the park. We love Washington Park. It is unique amongst our parks in the city and we want to make sure it continues to stay that way. Second, it's that we, as staff has made clear repeatedly, we are still relatively early in this process. So far, we've only done the feasibility study. We have to go through design and sequenex, and those are big intensive processes where many of these questions will be more thoroughly vetted and will have much more clear and concrete answers about them or to them. And only after we do all that, then we'll move to considering construction contracts. So that is many years away, would be fair to say. It's a process that we must go through. And then third and most importantly, as we all acknowledge, as the city has formally acknowledged, we are in a climate emergency with longer and longer drought periods. And so we have to do everything that we can to capture as much stormwater as possible when it's here. And so that's why I've been so supportive of this project since beginning and appreciate all the hard work that staff has been putting me into this over the years. So I got a couple more questions. And again, thank you for responding to all the questions this weekend and over the past several months. Got a couple more questions. Just want to share them with staff at this point. Hopefully get responses, but if not, these are things that we will more further vet and understand through the design and CEQA process. So first, I just want to confirm, and I got this, I got most of the answer to this question over the weekend, but just to confirm for some of our residents concerned about the trees in the park and many of them are very old Just that we will not be moving on to the construction phase without consulting an arborist during the design and seeko phase is that correct? I'm sorry. Council members, thank you. Please. No. Well, I'm going to be here at Don Petr, the city storm water program manager. So yes, Council members, thank you. Please. No. I'm going to be here, Don Petchar, the city storm water program manager. So yes, Council member Davis. During the design process, and I know this has been a concern for the community, many of the elements they're asking for will be asked. So right now we have not yet accepted the funds, so we don't have any consultants on board to support things like our brisk design and so forth. This project was a little unique because we were awarded feasibility funding through the Safe Clean Water Program in which county really took the lead on this, which is a little different from how we do projects. So we get out into the community pretty early. So yes, all of those elements will be part of the design, which once we are approved for accepting funding, we'll go out for an RFP for consultant services, which is expected in summer. So to hear. Thank you for confirming that. One resident has been concerned that the existence of Measure W Funding, or the possibility of losing funding, is what's driving this project. And it's my understanding that's not correct. That we have an existing framework or goals for capturing storm water or plan. Perhaps you can describe what that is and that based on that, then we went out to seek this funding. So it's not as if there's some money we're going to lose and that's what's forcing us into this. This is something we have initiated and have been vetting and working hand in hand with the county through their processes to advance and secure the funding. Yeah, of course that briefly briefly. Sure. Yeah. The city pursued a storm drain master plan to identify projects that would be of high priority for addressing critical compliance goals that we have in the city. We also voted in other elements, of course, climate action resiliency goals. And in the case of Washington Park, there's the Washington Park master plan. So Washington Park raised to a higher level of priority based on where it is in the watershed. These side storm drain is one of our oldest and most historic assets that's been channelized. It was the former Woodbury Creek, so that runs through the park, making it an opportunity to capture water directly by diverting it and infiltrating it. And so that is the reason why it became a high priority. We did go out to Safe Clean Water Program based on the community, the climate action plan, and then the multi-benefits of the Washington Park improvements that we can do. It was very competitive, not just for our city, but when we went to Safe Clean Water Program, it was also approved in a committee that represents all the region over and here. And so between our priorities and Safe Clean Water it rose to the top, and that's why we rewarded the funding. It does have to have storm water capture elements but it's an opportunity, fold in park improvements. I know council member Moussouda has seen the benefits of some of that in his projects. I just recently did Brookside Park for council member hand in so it's a really good opportunity for our city but it is earmarked for that park so if we cannot agree in a design with the community the funds would to be returned. But that's the reason sort of the sort of multifaceted reasons why we went for the funding. Great. Just to touch on two things you said. So one, I think we'll put many residents at ease just hearing that, you know, if we go through these next steps, design and CEQA and for whatever reason, the project doesn't make sense anymore. We're We're not going to force it. We can return the funds. That's we're going to do what makes no sense for this park, for the city as a whole. We're just going to force it. We can return the funds. That's, we're going to make, do what makes no sense for this park, for the city as a whole or not. Just going to be compelled to move forward because we have this money burning a whole little in our pocket. No, absolutely. So they give us the design for funds first with permission from council. And then we go to the design process. We need to be able to come through with a final concept that not only meets city goals but community goals. And then Sikwa and then the Siklin Water Program would provide the construction funding. So if the design doesn't finalize then that is where we'd stop the process. Got it, so thank you for that. And then you'd also mentioned improvements which has alarmed residents or some residents. Because again, we love and appreciate the historic nature of the park. So when they hear improvements, they think we're gonna, I don't know. Radically, change the park, add something in covered, in pickleball courts. Who knows what? What. the historic nature of the park. So when they hear improvements, they think we're gonna, I don't know, radically change the park, add something in covered in pickleball courts. Who knows what comes through people's minds, but I have to pick them off. I have to pick them off. But one thing that residents were eager about, and you've shared about this, is replacing the chain link fencing through the park, which would be a major aesthetic improvement throughout the park. So that's the sort of thing we'd be looking at, not anything radically changing the natural landscaping or anything along those lines. Sure, yeah, each district and each project that we've identified has different tailored needs. So the city goes out with a concept that we feel like meets what we believe from our community knowledge of the parks and the spaces to meet the community goals. And then we vary depending on the community feedback. So the original park project actually looked at doing a subsurface infiltration gallery over on the baseball field, as you know. But the initial feedback from the community is they didn't want us to touch the baseball field. And so we moved it over to the west side of El Malino. So no trees would be removed and the baseball field would be by itself. So all of the elements that we incorporated, again, is just a design concept. They can be moved, they can be changed by the community. There are marks we have to meet with storm water capture because it is a storm water funding mechanism. So there is a certain amount of water quality that we need to achieve. But the concept can be modified by the community. look forward to working with them. We've've worked with Councilmember Masuda and CAE for quite a bit of time now. The community has been just incredible and invaluable in helping us to drive a finalized project that we know we'll all be happy with. That's great here. There's going to be a core group of residents who will work with my office and your team. So we look forward to working with you. last question kind of dovetails nicely with what you were just speaking about and making sure we're capturing enough storm water. One resident was concerned about what the cost benefit analysis is. Obviously this costs the significant amount of money, which is coming from Azure W, but it's still taxpayer dollars. It all comes from us indirectly. And the park will be out of, parts of the park will be out of out of commission during the construction phase. And so just try and understand the department's approach to weighing the costs and benefits of the cost, the time the amount of time the park will be out of commission versus what amount of water we're going to be able to capture and treat. So could you speak to a little bit to that, or maybe, and also how this project compares to others around the city or recapturing less? More, where does it fall in the context of our other projects? Sure. So our city is subject to the MPDS permits, which is pursuant to the Clean Water Act, and it requires us to reduce our water quality pollutants from storm water through municipal activities and roads. And so the driver for our region is zinc. It's a heavy metal that sort of drives all of our water quality. So if you look in the Stormrain Master Plan, I know we provided that to you and we came to the community again. We rated how much zinc we could remove. It's sort of a placebo for remove the zinc. Then we can remove all the other heavy metals at a large scale. And so based on the elements that we were deciding to implement there, which is a subsurface infiltration gallery and a federal stream or an infiltration basin, permable pavement and bio retention areas, they looked at the value of the water being captured, which is estimated to be about 116 acre feet per year. If you don't know an acreiker feet is, football fields and acre go down one foot. 116 of those will recharge the Raymond Basin. So it's a significant amount. Based on that and the amount of zinc reduction, which was estimated, I believe at 96%. They come up with a cost factor. And when you look at Washington Park, I don't know what quite off hand, but you can look at the other projects. but there was 25 in total that were identified in the Storm Jam Master Plan and Washington Park rose up to be one of the top 10. That's great to hear. So this is definitely one of the most impactful projects that we have looked at. And so definitely merits the time the park will be out of commission and seeking these funds. And since that time, obviously, as we've heard from people behind us, and I'm very sorry for the loss that you guys have had in your homes. Our city has been impacted greatly by the wildfires. The wildfires also produce a tremendous amount of pollution, including heavy metals, zinc, and a lot of other pollutants that sit in our airs and is moving through our communities. And so projects like these are sort of at the first line of defense to remove it from our communities. So intercepting a project that high on the watershed like Washington Park is even more valuable for the community. Great. Thank you so much. And again, thank you for asking. defense to remove it from our communities. So intercepting a project that high on the watershed like Washington Park is even more valuable for the community. Great. Thank you so much. And again, thank you for asking residents questions, answering a few more tonight. And so I'm less sort of joining for the questions. I believe I've already moved it. So thank you so much. Thank you. You're welcome. And the park is also a historic treasure in that it's a Theodore Pain design park and part of the idea with the Sunken Gardens in its design was because it was part of a stream and so the Sunken Gardens are part of the design for that reason and so we really want to protect the the park. And I'm happy to hear that that's one of the goals as it should be. Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, it's been moved. Second. Okay. There was a second by Council Member Gold. Thank you. More to come do roll call. Yeah, roll call. Councilmember Cole, to approve the staff recommendation. Yes. Councilmember Hampton. Yes. Councilmember Jones is absent due to a accusal. Councilmember Lyon. Yes. Councilmember Madison. Yes. Councilmember Moussouda. Yes. Vice Mayor Revis. Yes. Mayor Gordo. Yes. The motion is approved without opposition. Okay that completes the consent calendar. Next we will move to public hearings starting with the and this is the opening of the CIP budget process. And so the action before us is not to get into the details, but simply to open the process for approval of the CIP. This is the time and place for the public hearing on the City of Managers recommended fiscal year 2026, 2030 Capital improvement program budget on March 31st 2025 the public hearing knows was published in the passing of press The city clerk's office received four letters advocating for the City Council to allocate funds to update the street tree master plan and or providing comments on the matter. The correspondence was posted online distributed to the council as part of the record for this public hearing. Thank you, Mayor. Again, this kicks off the process. Do we need a presentation on this, the opening? I have a number of questions and comments, but I leave it to others if they want a presentation. Greg, how many, I don't need a presentation. Again, this is a more procedural matter to open the public process and hearings for the CIP. And we're still going to have our meeting dedicated to the C.I.P. where we discuss it. Yes, there's a. So on April 28th, there's a joint meeting scheduled for the Finance Committee and or City Council. It depends on which quorum we get. One thing that we wanted to mention was the P.U.S.D. meeting that was going to follow that meeting has now been moved off that off calendar to May 12th. So now April 28th is now open. So staff was considering telling the council instead of starting the meeting at 2 p.m. that we would start at 4 p.m. to give sort of everybody a chance to work that day and come back to City Hall. So we would start the joint meeting of the Finance Committee and City Council at 4 p.m. to go in depth in the CIP. And then after that meeting, I believe it would come back to the Council for adoption of the CIP on May 5th. Okay, Greg, did you have anything to add to that or? I might can do wish the presentation or I can I have staff here also to answer questions. Okay. Mr. Cole. Thank you. Mr. Bairn, I recognize we will spend more time on this, but I'd like to make both some general comments and some specifics. The general comment is even when you take out the library, we're talking about $250 million, a quarter of a billion dollars that's in this plan. And we're also not talking about $2 billion worth of unfunded projects. So the irony is that we can spend hours dealing with a conditional use permit or perhaps in the immediate future an hour or two talking about an art project on Colorado Boulevard. And yet spending a quarter billion dollars and thinking about how we're going to fund two billion dollars essentially gets short shrift four letters on one subject from the community. Our ordinance on budget preparation talks about a process of creating an opportunity for public comment. This is a complicated document. I commend the staff for the quality of the work that you do and your willingness to go to the Northwest Commission, the Planning Commission, the Transportation Commission, and present those issues that are relevant to each of those commissions. But I think that what we're missing is a public dialogue on the capital budget. We're sort of on automatic pilot on our spending. We get these recommendations and we have a long discussion about them when the time comes and then they get approved and we move forward At one level that could say that we have a great deal of trust in our staff as I do as well but when we look at being an old city with two billion with a B Dollars of unfunded projects and that does not include all of the wish list of Each of these specific plans that we've unanimously adopted and we have more in the pipeline and we we We say we're gonna Create these wonderful Nirvana's in East Colorado and North pharaohs and Lincoln Avenue North Lake Avenue and then when it comes time to fund them, they're funded with $0. So, let me just point out now some specifics. Unfunded are $153 million worth of fire station improvements. Most of our fire stations have outlived their useful life. They are not up to modern standards and our capital plan calls for them to be replaced. What is the funding for that 153 million? No one knows. In light of what we've just experienced and in light of the dangers that have been highlighted by the state with these new firemaps, which cover essentially all of the end of this to San Rafael and the east side of the oil, I think that we ought to be talking about how we're going to fund those fire station improvements and not just simply kick the can down the road. I talked about the specific plans and these wish lists. These are about revitalizing parts of our community that have long been neglected. North Faroaks, Lincoln Avenue, North Lake Avenue, East Colorado. And there's a huge upside, a huge economic upside with making those areas more attractive to local businesses and to investment, the potential for additional housing to meet our regional needs. But we need to put investment in those areas. There's not even a section in our capital program to even catalog those plans that we've duly adopted and said we think that this is what ought to happen over the next five, ten, twenty years. It's not even in the plan. It's not even included in the $2 billion worth of unfunded needs. I know that when I knocked on doors in the last campaign, people care about homelessness, they care about climate change, they care about affordable housing, but the number one issue that they volunteered to me about what they cared about was traffic calming on their street and in their neighborhoods. The deterioration of traffic standards in our community is amazing. I know that it's not necessarily reliable information because the way we track speed without a formal speed study has some flaws. But our city recorded a car going down Washington Boulevard at 84 miles an hour at 130 in the afternoon. That's a strip of our city that has two churches, a post office, a ranch library, an elementary school, and people live there. And even if that 84 miles an hour was a false reading. There are multiple ratings of people going more than 70 miles an hour, often in the middle of the day. What's the traffic comming commitment in this $246 million capital program? It's zero. We're not gonna put a dime into traffic comming measures. We have these projects, bicycles, $100,000 for a plan, El Molino Greenway, zero pedestrian leading signal, zero transportation system safety enhancements, zero, citywide traffic Management 0, arterial speed management 0, complete streets 0, pedestrian transportation action plan 0, pedestrian crossing enhancements 0, business signal prioritization 0, business zone enhancements 0, bus stop improvements 0. We talk about in our general plan the Pasadena will be a city where people can circulate without cars but we're not putting our money where our general plan is we're not actually making our streets safer without these investments we wait for the state or the federal government to give us money it'll will be a long wait before we see another dollar of federal money. And the state money is competitive and we may or may not get it. And yet we have these urgent priorities of people in our community who are experiencing their kids trying to walk to school. Elderly people trying to cross the street, businesses trying to have people in the neighborhood patronize their businesses. So fire stations, place making, traffic calming, climate resilience, I'm also concerned about pavement. City managers made a significant commitment over the last two years of an additional doubling the money we're putting into our street paving. Everyone knows that it costs less to maintain a street than it does to repair a street. In fact, it's four to one maintaining a street versus repairing it. 4 to 1, maintaining a street versus repairing it and it's 10 to 1 when a street gets to the point where it needs to be rebuilt. So last two years we've made additional in this plan. It's back to $5 million which actually causes us to deteriorate. Our streets will be worse because we're not putting in the $11 million that's required just to keep up, not to get better, not to fill more potholes, not to fix more streets, just to keep the deterioration from increasing. So when it comes to these things, and then we look at some projects, you know, I hate to pick on this, but the Colorado Street Bridge project was funded in 2019. That's six years ago. We spent $3 million on design, and we still don't have agreement on what to do there. We spent $3 million over six years and we don't have a project. That's not the fall of the public works department, but it's the fall of the process in this city of not being able to come to an decision if it was important to spend $3 million dollars six years ago to prevent suicides. It's important to get that done. And, you know, I have a project in my district, an underground project. It was originally instituted in 2007, right, 18 years ago and it was originally budgeted at 5.4 million. It's now budgeted at 14.7 million. And it's not scheduled to commence until 2028. So it'll be 21 years for an underground project between on mountain between hill and lake. 21 years. Now, part of it appears to be that the project for whatever reason includes all kinds of enhancements, which I think will be great. And if you're opening up the street to underground, there are some reasons why you'd want to take advantage of that synergy. But a project that triples in cost and takes 21 years to complete, that doesn't seem like the kind of urgency we need around undergrounding in our city and it isn't moving the ball forward on all the benefits of undergrounding, the aesthetic, the safety, etc. So these are the kind of things that obviously will go into more detail and there are other issues I'd like to touch upon. But I think if you take a step back and look at the big picture, I think we need a more than just once a year going through with the fine tooth comb these projects and then rubber stamping them. I think we actually need to be thinking about how are we going to over the next five to ten years bring this city back up to a level of investing in our future economic base and restoring our infrastructure. I think to just simply say, well, we have no money is not a good answer. We manage to scramble and go to the voters on extraordinarily short notice for $195 million on the library, completely out of context with any other planning. In fact, the year before we went to the voters that $195 million wasn't even in the capital budget. We suck it in after we approved the project. So I would like to see us spend some significant time when we have the public here on April 28th, not just going through and saying, okay, we agree with that, we agree with that. These are all good things that are being funded. $446 million worth of projects. But again, let's think about our priorities and all the things that aren't getting fixed. Our fire stations, our community business districts, traffic calming, climate resilience, fixing our streets, the most basic responsibility I think that everyone expects us to perform and not to mention a street tree master plan which I think has been kicking around since I was on the council the last time. So I hope that we can have an in-depth discussion on what's not in the capital plan as well as what's in it. Thank you, Mr. Cole. Let me just say, you know, I hear what you're saying about the need to invest in infrastructure. And I would suggest to you that we do do that. Do we, do that. Do we all wish we could fund all of these needs at one time? Absolutely. But every year we go through the process. I wouldn't say we rubber stamp it. We have deliberate discussions about which projects to fund, not to fund. I'll just give you an example. We put construction and transit operations funded through 2025 or $68 million. And every year I think on transit, looking at the big picture is important. And it's easy to cherry pick one or two things that maybe this year aren't receiving funds. But what is missing is what we do fund. I think how much do we put into transit operations every year for the passing of transit, for example? We're looking at that. Yeah. It's in the... It's all grand funded. Multiple millions of dollars. But it's still money that we dedicate to transportation. I think it's $31 million that we dedicate to that. Now I agree there are different funding sources. And what we'll find is when we go through this process, we'll again have to look at all of these projects and make funding decisions on which projects we fund and how we fund them. So I think it's a bit unfair to look at a one year in a funding cycle, cherry pick some things and say we're not doing. And some of those things I agree with by the way. But say we're not doing. It's comforting there. We're not doing enough. But this is the CIP as you know is a long-term roadmap and plan to try and fund many of the needs. And so what's missing in the analysis is what we have appropriated in the past, some of which has yet to be spent. And we will have the opportunity to go through that in great detail. And if we want to define some projects and fund others, we'll have that opportunity to have that debate. But I wonder how long Mayor will have this in and yang. Again, I appreciate and support and respect your record personally and the council's record collectively on investing in our city. What I'm saying though is that we look forward. We have very significant multi-year challenges. And I'm not suggesting there's enough money in this year's budget to fix them or that they should be fixed in a single year. What I'm suggesting is this is a five year capital plan and we need to be looking five years out about not waiting until we have an adverse report that the library suddenly has to close but rather thinking strategically about how we get our arms around these things over the long haul. Including, I think, potentially going to the voters. We did that on the library, but also finding ways to be more efficient at some of these projects and delivery again. We are awfully good at making plans. We are not often as effective at following through on effectuating those plans. So I hear you, I respect your counterpoint, but I feel we need to be thinking strategically about the long term, not just what we're funding this year. What's interesting is the library is the perfect example because we discovered the structural deficiencies in the library because we were doing exactly what you're talking about. We were looking at the library inspecting it and making some what we thought was going to be long-term investment in protecting the library when suddenly as part of that inspection for the long term, we discovered that there were deficiencies that we were not aware of. And so that is an example of precisely what you're talking about, I think. And that's how we discovered that one issue. A Holley Street Bridge, another example of an investment that we're dedicating tremendous dollars, but again, problems that we had to discover before we could set out to resolve them. So your point is a good one and that we need to look at all of these needs and there are many and there are many that we have yet to discover and when we discover them then we will have to take action to set in motion a plan to try and address them. You know the capital improvement budget is a combination of identifying the city's needs for the future and making sure that they're recorded for us to consider each and every time we appropriate or allocate dollars. But also an attempt, well, an attempt to try and address those issues within a reasonable period of time, the undergrounding. For example, I forget the hundreds of millions of dollars that it would take to complete that. And at one point, there was a proposal to get rid of the undergrounding project altogether. I did not support that, but there was that proposal. So again, we'll have the opportunity to look at all of these issues, to look at all of the needs, to remind ourselves that we have to prioritize the very limited dollars. I mean, it's not a small number, but in comparison to the long term needs of the city, it's not nearly sufficient. And we are the number that we're dedicating. Well, we'll get to it on the merits when we have the discussion. Mr. Lyne. Thank you, Mr. Madison. Followed by Mr. Madison. Thank you for the discussion, and your points are well taken. I would welcome a discussion about, in particular, about investment in the public realm, because we are a city that traditionally, and it's founding, and for most of the last century, invested directly in the public realm. And at some point over the last few decades, philosophically we changed that to conceiving of the public realm and then having private development, actually develop it. And I think that's a conversation worth revisiting, to be a world class city, and to remain a world class city, and to be an evolving city. We probably want to look at investment in the public realm. We are certainly going to be having that conversation around the 710 corridor where we'll be leading a major development project. And so I note that none of that is in here either. All of the 710 will easily double this budget. And that's. In the next, you know, we're going to get those proposals at the beginning of next year. So it is a good time to stop and think about how we want to do this and what we want to do and what our role is as a leadership body. And to have a deep conversation about that, I hope not only at the CIP conversation, but I hope we get to have some of that conversation at our retreat later this year. I only want to flag one issue for this year's conversation, which is that I was deeply alarmed at the transportation budget. That's the one place where I was shocked by the number and I kept thinking like oh wait these are millions And it's 130,000 that we're investing in transportation and and like council member Cole it is the issue I hear about the most Our streets which is in a different and we're not investing much in in paving And traffic those are the two issues that people on a day-to-day basis want to talk about. And so for this year, it looks like our priorities are out of line with the city and it may be that there's a lot of money rolling over from other years. We've already appropriated and the projects are happening. But I want to, I will want to have a deep dive on that because I was very concerned about the number. So I look forward to our conversation in a couple of weeks. Thanks. Thank you. Mr. Madison. Thank you, Mary. I mean, I welcome the discussion. There's always room for improvement. I do think I have a different perspective from Mr. Coles. I see a budget that looks to appropriate what almost half a billion dollars on total projects of two and a half billion. And as was mentioned, there are unfunded projects that are behind that. This is a process that's worked extremely well for Pasadena over recent times. I mean, look, economics is the science of human choice in a world with limited resources. So to complain about things that aren't being funded but not to address what other choices would be made is pretty unsatisfying in terms of a conversation. I do think, you know, this may be an area where I'm a big fan of best practices. If, as we move forward, staff could offer input or comparisons to how other cities are handling this, you know, from where I sit, how for fire stations need to be updated. That's understandable given the age of our city and of the facilities, but that means we've already retrofitted and upgraded half of our fire stations to date. I know personally about that because three of them are in my district and we've we've three have an upgraded each one of those three. You all unfortunately I'm under the weather so I can't be there with you tonight but you're sitting in a city hall that was upgraded retrofitted for earthquake safety and will serve the community for another hundred years. years. the Rose Bowl, significant investment and upgrades. The Convention Center and civic auditorium, same. And now we're finishing that renaissance with the public library. And I was puzzled by the comment that we didn't even put it in the budget until the voters had approved it, because I know there would be equally loud voices complaining if we just made the decision, irrigated the authority, if you will, to make that decision without the voters input. I think we did that absolutely the right way. So again, I welcome the discussion. I know today is just sort of cutting the ribbon on the process, but thank you, Mayor, for giving me the opportunity. Thank you. Let me give you another example, thank you, Mr. Madison. We have appropriated for the transportation budget through 2025, $277 million dollars. And so again, there's the issue of this, this is a long-term game in investing in our city. And $277 million through this year is a big big number and there's also the issue of capacity, staff capacity, to properly manage the dollars that we have. And ensure that the projects are well done. And so, you know, these are all conversations that we should have setting the priorities, understanding the capacity of our... You know, these are all conversations that we should have setting the priorities, understanding the capacity of our staff to manage the projects well and give us the outcome that we're looking for. And so we'll have the opportunity to make those decisions. And I agree, I think Mr. Lion, you mentioned it, Mr. Cole, you and I had a conversation. It's a subject that we ought to take on as part of our council retreat, how it is that we prioritize these issues and maybe have that earlier on in the year leading into the budget process. But these are all very, very difficult decisions. So I'll be interested to hear the staff's perspective on the process. Ms. Rebus? Just briefly, Mayor, and thank you for making this point right now. I've always felt that getting Council's input in the budget should be part of the budget process every year and should probably be the first thing so that staff can go and attack this big project knowing what councils priorities are. And so I think we're heading in that direction and so to the extent we can make that a permanent part of the process and the leading part of the process I think that would set us up to accomplish what Mr. Colas is talking about and what we all of our goals are. Yeah, I mean, we don't have to, our water system is 100 and something odd years old and we'll have to weigh that as well. I mean, through, for sewers and water we appropriated through 2025, $37 million. Someone say that's not nearly enough. This year we're recommending 12 million, 12 and a half million dollars. And so do we take that out and address some of the other issues? Those are the very real conversations that we'll have to have. And people will say, look, if I can't turn the faucet and water comes out and it doesn't, because you didn't invest in the water system and it doesn't leave my house, well, that's an emergency. And so these are, again, all issues that that will have to have long conversations about when it's up priorities. Okay. So is there a motion in a second to open that discussion? I'll make a motion to open that discussion. Open the public hearing. the public open. This is to continue it to may 5th 2025 at 6 p.m All right that thank you Okay, so off we go. We need to oh roll call Councilmember Cole yes, councilmember Hampton. Yes, councilmember Jones. Yes, councilman Lion. Yes, councilmankele. Councilor Hampton. Councilor Jones. Councilor Lian. Councilor Masson. Councilor Massuda. Vice Mayor Revis. Mayor Gordo. Motion is carried unanimously and we will be having the workshop on April 28th, 2025 at 4pm. That's the workshop part. The public hearing gets continued to the fit. Thank you. And by the way, for the public who's interested in how we're spending the capital improvement budget or the recommendation, there's a very helpful pie chart that shows how we're spending on municipal buildings, facilities, the electric system, the water system, 53 million dollars to water, 121 million for the electrical system, all important priorities. And so we, I commend these charge they're very well done and easy to follow. Thank you. And they are part by the way of the Kaplan prudent program summaries. Okay, thank you. Mayor, I have a request. Since we have so many public speakers as well as I have a hard stop at 830 myself. I was wondering if we could move item 12 up in the agenda. It's just information item, but last week I requested that there be some actionables with it, but it looks like the same presentation from last week, so maybe I just have some questions. And I don't know if any of my colleagues have questions about item 12. Item 12 is a report on our rent relief programs. I'm going to have to recuse myself from that and so maybe is there maybe we put the police presentation. Two weeks. Three weeks. Three weeks. It would be May 5th. It would be helpful to have actually in the packet. I apparently wasn't in the packet this week. It was online, but it came in a little later than the packet went out. Good. I missed it. So maybe we think that's why the I think that's why the I think that's why the I think that's why the I think that's why the I think that's why the I think that's why the I think that's why the I think that's why the I think that's why the I think that's why the I that I'd rather not put it off for we're talking about the crime stats for 2024 and we're you know, we're it's May you know, we had the fire so that put us off a lot but five months into the next year You know, it would be nice to maybe maybe we could add the 2025 stats up until now so you can see if it's trending up or or down just to make a comparison Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah those controls. Okay. So that's what we'll do. So for item 10, there is one public comment speaker. Are you okay with waiting? Thank you. So item 10 is going to be held until May 5th. Where are we doing? We have we have 9 11 and 12. Why don't we, 9 is a fairly routine matter. And so why don't we handle that matter and then handle the call up. Okay, this is the time and place for the public hearing on the middle of public housing agency five year plan 2025, 2020, 2030. An annual plan 2025 to the US Department of Housing and Urban Development. On March 27, 2025, the public hearing notice was published in the passing of press. Now, this is the five-year plan. No correspondence was received regarding this item. Mr. Cole, I'm going to take your previous comments and apply them to this one as well. This is your comments on the previous item, I should say. Again, another important subject that is a long-term plan, one that we also should consider over the course of the year. Are we going to do a presentation? I have a couple questions. Go ahead. Okay. So I'm impressed by the statistics offered in our progress over the last five years. There are specific numbers attached. By and large with some exceptions there's not much measurable benchmarks for the upcoming five years. So obviously you've done a good job for the last five years and you'll continue to do a good job over the next five years. But is there value, if not to HUD, to ourselves to be setting specific benchmarks? So the benchmarks that we set for the next five years basically mirror our prior five years. As I mentioned in the agenda report, because of the federal funding environment that we are in, the other issues with the environment that we're in right now, we were very prudent. We were, this year's plan, we don't have any huge goals, specifically because of the funding environment. This can change the way the five-year plan is built. If there's something we want to do, it's easy enough with the annual plan to make that adjustment to the goals and then go ahead and do it. But we are not expecting any new funding availability from HUD and this is a very specific for purpose plan. It is specifically for HUD around the rental assistance programs. It's not like the consolidated plan where what you set forth determines what you can do. If you see an opportunity during the annual period you can can move forth on that and just amend your plan. Yeah, and so, again, this may be the right strategy in approaching the current administration, but it says increase the number of project-based vouchers. And it explains what we did the last five years doesn't say increased by 1%, by 7%, by, you know, it just says increase. Similar language throughout, you know, strengthen, outreach, nothing about, and then progress that you've made in the past. So at least for our purposes, I think it would be valuable to set benchmarks. I think that's true for all of our functions. And I'm increasingly frustrated as a former planning commissioner with when we adopt plans that have words like support, increase, improve, that have nothing tangible to measure against. What is improvement? What is supporting? What is strengthening? There's a variation on the old cliche. In God, we trust all others bring data. It'd be nice to know what our goals are in a numeric sense, where that's appropriate. And I think you have a strong record to build on. But again, if that's not what you want to tell HUD, I'm OK with that. My second question is, what is the funding environment in Washington today, recognizing that it could shift tomorrow. But could we, are we in danger of, from what we know in our folks in Washington, are we in danger of losing these housing dollars? I would just say that we are, we have not heard anything definitive from the White House, from the Trump administration in terms of actually losing dollars. We have heard that certain section-light programs such as, for example, emergency housing vouchers have, there has been a cut and we are dealing with that. But in terms of the overall section 8 program, we have not heard anything definitive. I would also like to add that the section 8 program comprises a significant portion of the housing department's budget, and our budget is roughly $48 million of which half is section 8. And so every year HUD does an assessment, a management assessment of our program and PHA programs across the country. And we have consistently been great, been assessed as a high performer. So we're doing a very good job in terms of providing the rental assistance to very low income households throughout the community. But as Ann mentioned, these are very trying environment. We want to be very careful and prudent about what type and what measure of goals we want to set forth in a HUD planning document. Councillor Neill, if I may add, yeah, I think it's to be determined. We're still keeping our ear to the ground on that. We have a firm in Washington, D.C. that we are in communication with every week formally and we learn the latest happenings and also periodically as things break, we're told right away and they're helping us navigate what has become a really challenging landscape out in our nation's capital? My last question goes to the fair housing outreach. We've done this for years and it consists of training programs and outreach. In prior years we didn't have a rental housing board. Now we do whose job it is to deal with all of the landlords in our community, those who take advantage of the sectioning program, those who don't for whatever reason, and has jurisdiction over the rights and responsibilities of all the tenants who make up a majority of our population. Are you coordinating the fair housing outreach with the rent board so that we're having the synergy of not one department talking to to the same group of people as a different department? We would love to work more closely with the rent board in that regards. As a housing department, we do have a partnership with the Housing Rights Center and we do fair housing workshops and outreach and educational programs with them yearly and we also provide those services for our landlords in the Section 8 program as well. Do you offhand know how many participants you have in those workshops every year. Off-tand, I don't hand you have some idea of what kind of question. It's not as many as we would like This year's this year's training hasn't happened last year. There were about 25 Participants at at the workshop So I don't know how many households we have but we have 80,000 renters and so they all potentially and first time home buyers or home buyers also are entitled to understand their fair housing rights. So I think that there's a real value and I would suggest to the city manager since you have jurisdiction over both these departments that you initiate discussions about how we can incorporate fair housing into the rental home boards communication and outreach. Sir, we'll do. Excuse me, we'll do. Thank you. Mr. Hampton, and then we do have a public comment. I'm sure Hampton. I'll be very brief on my comments and I agree with Councilman Nicole, especially when it comes to, you know, words like strength and outreach. I mean, what does it mean? I understand this is a plan that's going to the federal government, but of course the Council reviews it first and so maybe it's not the exact details that the federal government's asking for but I think as council members maybe there should be a memo that is separate that comes to us with these plans to say you know what this is what we mean by strengthen because last year we did this this year we're going to do this this is our this is what our goal is I also asked requested something at a edtech meeting. This was some time back and it was about our housing, sorry, homelessness plan. And I requested a dashboard be placed on the housing website and I still haven't seen that dashboard because I would like to know based on our plans, like what are the measurables? How do we know that our plans are working? Are these just documents that, you know, they look good, they sound good, it's not really doing a lot of good. I mean, no, you guys are doing a lot of good because we know that, but does the general public know that, right? And so go ahead, I'm sorry. If I may add, actually a council member Ham, we do have a very early version of a dashboard that has been on our website for the past two months. It basically provides metrics which mirror our key performance indicators, which is in the city's annual budget. But we do plan to expand on that and provide more information. But currently there is a dashboard on the city housing department website, which provides information on key performance measures that is associated with the housing department. And those measures range from section 8, vouchers to a number of affordable units produced to persons served under the block grant program and a number of persons that have been assisted through our homelessness programs. Well you know I'm really glad that you have added a dashboard it would be great to have it on the front page of the housing department because there's a lot of stuff to go. I was just Googling, I'm not Googling, but I Googled a lot while we're in here. But I was just searching the housing's website right now and it's not on the front page of the website. It's not, and admittedly, we can do better at reformating that to make it more front and center. Okay, once it's complete or once you get to a place where you feel like, okay, this is presentable, we should put this up on the front page so that- Exactly. But I'm sure it is on the website. Oh, perfect. And then in the plan, there was another piece of the plan that I wanted to mention. It said that during the past five year period, covered from 2020 to 2025, 25 is not complete yet. You know, 181 very low income households experience and homelessness were assisted. That's roughly 36 people a year. Just to do the math on that. Yeah, so that's very specific to move in assistance. So that's 181 households were assisted with emergency housing voucher funding to help pay security deposits and homeless incentive programs to help pay security deposits and landlord incentives. Perfect. So my question to that and I think maybe when this comes to us maybe with through a memo or whatnot out of the 180 in the past five years are 180 of them still housed. 181 I'm sorry are they all still housed. You don't answer that question right now because I don't know if you have that information. But that should be a part of our memo. And we should, I don't know if the word tracking is not the most ideal word to use, but if we're actually trying to help people and get them out of homelessness, we should be following up with them to say, hey, you know, realize or heard that, you know, maybe you're behind, We got to try to help you out again because we want to keep them out of that cycle. And so whatever we can do to help change that cycle, we should be holding hands. And so when I guess that memo comes the next time or hopefully soon, I would like to know, out of the 181, or were we able to keep them all in housing? And if they did get out of housing, are they back in housing, or are they back on housing again? So those are my questions. I'm supportive of the plan. I understand that it won't be super detailed, I guess, or add things into the plan that the federal government's not asking for. It makes it a little easier that way. But I think as a council, we should understand what these plans actually mean, especially when we use words like progress, et cetera. But I appreciate the work that the housing department does on it. I just want to be very clear and blunt here that you guys do amazing work and what you're doing I believe is God's work and I appreciate that. So and I thank you and your team and everybody in the housing department for the work that you are doing. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Ham. Okay is there a motion? Public comment. Oh I'm sorry there is public comment. Christine Rodriguez. as Fred Riggis. Thank you so much for that presentation HUD. I really appreciate it. The reason I wanted to come up, I got my brain thinking about HUD and rental assistance. And I wanted to ask, well, first of all, I wanted to really emphasize how any kind of assistance when it comes to rent can really be a relief for anybody who is struggling financially, whether that is a single parent, whether that is somebody who is working a minimum wage job, or somebody who's just having a financial rough patch. I wanted to ask our president Tater today, given what you mentioned about like emergency housing vouchers and also the HUD, the HUD, housing the HUD budget that we have. It sounded like if there is a need through the budget, you know, money can be allocated. So my question was, can any of this HUD budget go towards assisting those imp Pasadena who have been impacted by the fires? Renters or can any of that money be used or allocated to help those in impacted by the fires? That's all. That's related to item 12. Yeah, that's going to come up in the next, but your question is well taken and we'll make sure it's addressed as part of the okay well talk about it next it's a good said way thank you but maybe to answer that question federal dollars are not restricted to passing a residence only so they're open to anyone so the answers of the question would be these dollars could be used for anyone. I think anyone who qualifies under the requirements of the financials. Of course, yes. Okay. Is there a motion to close the public hearing? President Klozbobe here, seconded by Mr. Masuda. Roll call. to close the public hearing. Motion to close the public hearing. Seconded by Mr. Moussouda. Roll call. To close the public hearing, Council Member Cole. Yes. Council Member Hampton. Yes. Council Member Jones. Yes. Council Member Lyon. Yes. Council Member Madison. Yes. Council Member Moussouda. Yes. Vice Mayor Revis. Yes. Mayor Gordo. Yes. Yes, Councilmember Moussuda. Yes, Vice Mayor Revis. Yes, Mayor Gordo. Yes, public hearing is closed unanimously. I'll make the staff recommendation is a motion Move in setting the right Mr. Hampton roll call prove this yeah, I've recommendation Councilmember Cole. Yes, Councilmember Hampton. Yes, Councilmember Jones. Yes, Councilmember Lyon. Yes, Councilmember Madison. Yes, Councilmember Moussuda. Yes, Vice Mayor Rebus. Yes, Mayor Gordo. Yes question as you know, so you approved and well we'll keep at it and maybe one of the lines we should add to HUD is we'll improve and as you make funding available and we're all concerned about because the reality is we're reliant on the HUD housing to continue to expand these programs and grow them and improve them. So I say part and just, but partly serious as well. And we're all concerned about the, what's gonna happen at the federal level with housing dollars. Okay, the next matter I think can be hopefully taking up quickly. It's not a discussion on the merits. It's just a question of whether or not we can call or whether we or not we will call a matter up to review it. Mayor out of, we're talking about a gin item. I love it. Because we are going to, we, I do want to get to the matter of the Mr. Hinton requested before he... Are you, are you taking up item 11? Yes. So out of abundance of caution, I'll recuse myself. And I think we can take it up quickly. Sure. Can I, can I get to my recusal? Oh, I'm sorry. All right. I don't want to buy you. I'm going to be using my I don't want to buy you some caution. I'll refuse myself because I want rental property within 500 or a thousand feet of this property. Thank you. Thank you. So let's see. Is any member of the council expecting that we have a request from Mr. Masuda to call a matter up in his district and I'll let Mr. Masuda open the matter. But is anyone, well, let's just jump right into it. And if it takes longer, Mr. Hampton, then we'll recess this matter. Take up the other matter. Yes, thank you, Mayor. Colleagues, I'm calling up the Resnick Porti-Lership project and that we all voted for already. And- Not all of us. Except for Mr. Cole. But's okay that's that's that's the way our system works Mr. Cole so I'm I'm asking staff to give a short report and I wasn't here that's all my point is I wasn't here but you reminded me that you didn't vote for it when you were on the planning commission. So that's kind of it. I said I already knew that. So thank you for telling me that. So, you know, that's the way the system works. Yeah, that's you're right. That's what you're on that one. It's the way the how we want it. So I wanted to give staff an opportunity to tell us where we are right now with the project. Let me suggest this. Are there questions? This is not a discussion on the merits. It's simply a procedural matter. Do we want whether or not to call it up. And so do we need a presentation? Are we ready to? I am not skeptical and I'm inclined to support Mr. Masuda's call up, but I think it would be helpful to understand what's being called up because we have not gotten anything in writing on what actually the decision was that's being appealed tonight. They can certainly say what's being. That's what I'm asking. We have a presentation that's a few slides or else I can just very briefly tell the council that the artist and concept art plan for the Russ Nat Port Stealership site went to the Arts and Culture Commission. There was a staff recommendation of approval and by a vote of 5 to 4 it was denied by the Arts Commission. And they didn't like it or it was not in keeping with the rules or what was the matter? We shouldn't be getting too much into the merits of what the concerns of the commission were, that would be part of the matter that comes before the council as part of the public hearing. But the commission felt that they were not able to make the findings for the approval for the concept art plan. I think the important thing is that if we don't take a close look at it and then we allow the planning I'm sorry the Arts and Culture Commission decision to stand it could jeopardize a project that we have deemed an important investment in this part of our city and so From my perspective, I think it's worth looking at on the merits and you know if we agree with the commission so be it but if we don't then we should reconsider that decision as a council and take appropriate action. Okay. Is there Mr. Masuda may the motion? And again, just for the public, this is just to bring the matter for a public discussion here at City Council. Second, I can't mayor, I'll second if not. Councillor, vice mayor, we have a second. It's been moved and seconded. Are there any objection? Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you. Roll call. So to call to approve the call for a V request, Council Member Cole. Yes. Council Member Hampton. Yes. Council Member Jones is absent due to recuse. Council Member Lyon. Yes. Council Member Madison. Yes. Yes. Vice Mayor Revis. Yes. Mayor Gordo. Yes. The motion is approved without opposition. Okay. And we'll get into the merits when this matter comes back. Okay. Next. It's. I don't know what you're going to do. No, it's only my practice and on this item and ask Ms. Rebus to handle this matter. All right. Thank you, Mayor. So I'm recusing myself because I own rental property. Mr. Mayor, I don't want to preclude the staff for making a presentation if they want to, but the staff report is pretty clear about the resources. I think the discussion is actually stepping out. I'll let him go. Thank you, Mr. Cton. I've been waiting to hear those words for a while. What? Okay. What's the rest of it? Vice mayor? Yes. Again, if the staff feels the need to make the presentation, I think the report is fairly thorough. I think the discussion that we need to have is what do we do about the report. But again, I defer to the staff if they feel the need to make a presentation. We do have available Ms. Jenine boguard from the Pesidine Committee Foundation who is online and able to provide some comments if the council is interested along with the presentation whatever the council's desire. I know councilmember Hampton has a time limitation. Would you like to hear the presentation or would you like to jump straight to your comments or questions? I think maybe if they could give a brief presentation so that there's a background for anybody that's watching right now so they understand exactly what we're talking about. Sounds good, can we do that? Yeah, can we go ahead and do that? And I think Councilmember Madison's hand is up to and virtually. Councilmember Madison, all right, if we hear the presentation and then go to the queue. Yes, of course. All right, let's go ahead and so good. Let's do the personal. Great. Great. Thank you. Is that your cup? It is. I don't know what happened to mine. I guess so. Thank you, Jim Wong, housing department. I will make a very brief presentation. I'll just run through the presentation real quickly. This is the staff report on the rent relief programs to residents impacted by the Eden Fire. Just a couple of facts of what we know and what we don't know as a backdrop. We do know that the Eden and FI are just stored 117 homes in the city with a substantial damage for another seven residential units. Unknown are the number of past unit residents or impact financially through the loss or decrease of business or employment income. Furthermore, we also do not know the number of individuals impacted who derive their income from residential service economy such as child and elderly care, housekeeping and landscaping services. At the meeting of March 3rd, Council adopted a motion to direct the preparation of the ordinance prohibiting tentative evictions based on non-payment of rent. In that vein, Council also directed staff to return with a report on potential funding sources for rent assistance. So this presentation looks at those external funding programs as well as internal funding resources administered by the housing department. And so in terms of external funding sources, there are three basic ones at the government level. There's federal, which is basically FEMA, that program closed in March 31st. As far as we know, the state has not established a rental assistance program for individuals impacted by the fire. And the county did have a substantial amount of money, $32 million to support impacted households with grants up to $18,000, but that program closed on March the 12th. Sticking along with the external funding sources, there's a very large and active non-profit sector of funding. And these sources are detailed in the Agend report, but I'll just go through them in a very summary fashion. the capacity opacity and community foundation, has collected over $19 million in donations. The Union Station Homeless Services and Door of Hope, each has developed a Eden Fire Housing Assistance Program. The Pasadena Educational Foundation has distributed approximately $1.7 million in assistance to the PUSD community last month. There's also the Eaton Fire Collaborative and then there's a program called the One Voice Fire Relief Fund and through which financial assistance has been made available to service workers whose jobs were impacted by the fires. That's the non-profit sector. the fake-based sector, also very active, although staff was not able to identify a Pasadena faith-based institution that offered general rent relief throughout the city. Many institutions are providing support to their members of their own respective congregations. An example is the Pasadena Community Clergy Coalition. They established an Eden Fire Relief Program that provides financial support to impacted individuals and their families identified through local congregations. So now we turn to the internal funding sources that are administered through the housing department. First, there's federal funds. We have the community development block grant funds. This is an annual funding entitlement that's intended to support community development programs and projects. In this current fiscal year, $2.45 million have been budgeted through this program, and all of that amount, except for $250,000 have been committed to eligible projects, programs, and administrative support. Under this program, beneficiaries, the end user of these funds must be low income, not exceeding 80% of the county area median income. And as an example, low income in LA County for a two-person household is roughly $88,800. Continuing with federal funds is a continuum of care. In this fiscal year, $939,000 have been budgeted for rapid rehousing programming, which also does provide rental assistance, but that's provided for supportive services to households exiting homelessness. Currently that funding is sub is sub-contracted 100% to the Union Station Homeless Services and the volunteers of America Los Angeles with the latter designated to servo households with a history of domestic violence. Also federal funds through the Emergency Solutions Grant, approximately $187,000 have beened in this fiscal year. Beneficiaries must qualify as being at risk or of experiencing homelessness. Beneficiaries must be extremely low income, not exceeding 30% of the county area median income. And again, for comparison purposes, an extremely low income household of two persons is roughly $33,300. Under this ESG grant, the city also was provided 100% funding match. Another flavor of ESG funds is the Rapid Unsheltered Survivor Housing Grant, otherwise known as ESG Rush. And this is a slug of money, $1 million that HUD made available in response to the Eaton fire and Palisade's fire. This amount was awarded to the city recently to assist people experiencing or at risk of homelessness whose needs are exacerbated by the disasters. Again, the beneficiaries must be extremely low income and a significant amount of this grant is being planned to provide rental assistance for eligible households experiencing and at risk of homelessness. That's the conclusion of the federal funds and now we turn to the state dollars that are also administered by the House Department. There's a program called Family Homelessness Challenge, FHC, $789,000 ordered to the city for homelessness prevention programming and that includes payment of rental arrears and short term rental assistance to families with minor children at risk of homelessness. Here again, the beneficiaries must be extremely low income and these funds are currently sub-contracted to local nonprofit door of hope. Another state funding source is the homeless housing assistance and prevention Prevention Program, HHAP, $458,000 awarded to the city for rapid rehousing programming, and this includes this provides rental assistance, move in costs, and supportive services to households experiencing homelessness. $80,000 of these funds, subcontracted to to Union Station homeless services. And then there are other city administer programs that are locally derived. In particular, there's the Housing Successor Funds. These are what are known as the old redevelopment agency dollars. That program has a projected end of fiscal year balance of only $478,000. These monies are restricted under state redevelopment dissolution law to be utilized for development, rehab, preservation of affordable housing, homelessness prevention, rapid rehousing services, and administrative costs. Another source of local funding is county dollars. These are the recent local solutions funds under the Measure H ballot initiative. We understand that approximately $874,000 of Measure A funds will be allocated to the city in July. These funds could be used for rental assistance under the Measure A homelessness prevention category. Beneficiaries of these funding, so this funding source must be precariously housed and or be at risk of eviction. Beneficiaries must be very low income in LA, low income for a two person household is $55,450. So the conclusion is a number of conclusion items. First is that most of the identified internal funding administered by the city are awarded under federal, state, and county programs intended to address homelessness. These funds are highly prescribed as to allowable uses and benefit share eligibility and are restricted from reallocation for broad rent relief. These funds are also subscribed for the most part as they are under contract with providers or programmed for allowable uses. There are some assistance available through the nonprofit and faith-based sectors and then finally, last but not least, the use of general fund dollars is not being recommended by staff due to economic uncertainty and existing shortfalls for existing programs and uses. That concludes the step presentation. And as mentioned earlier, a representative from the Pasadena Community Foundation is also attending it remotely to answer any questions about that program. Thank you so much. I'm very mindful of the time. Would you like to hear that presentation as well or would you like to go straight to your questions? Yes, please. I'd like to hear from the President. Your meeting foundation. If they have something brief. Good evening everybody. Should I go ahead? Yes, please. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. Thank you all for having me. I just have a few minutes, so I want to explain a little bit about the funding that we have received and how we're planning on distributed into the community. In the document that was shared just a minute ago, the state that we had 19 million in reality now that we've announced the addition of the Alhtadena Builds Back Foundation, we now have a total of $70 million. 55 million of those are going straight to Alhtadena Builds Back Foundation and I'll explain a little bit more in depth about what that entails. 15, the 15 million remaining have already, part of it has already been spent. And those are things that we're going to be delivering through phases one and two. Allow me to explain. We've grouped our funding focuses in three areas. Phase one is respond and relieve. Phase two is stabilize and support, and stage three is recover and rebuild. Phase one is what we're considering what we did immediately, the cash assistance to families, immediate relief, that went through our trusted nonprofit partners, and they distributed to their clients, families, households with whom they work. We've already distributed over a million dollars and that was in two different installments. That's what we did immediately. This is phase one we consider days, months, and then up to a year, maybe 18 months of direct cash assistance relief for families or individuals. Phase two, as I said, stabilize and support. To date, we've spent about 1.5 million in this area. This is an area we expect to extend from months into maybe several years. and the areas of focus here is definitely temporary long-term housing. Child house months into maybe several years and the areas of focus here is definitely temporary long-term housing, child health, mental health, summer camps, child care, and care or case management. And as I said, we've spent 1.5 million to date. Phase three is where Althadina builds back foundation, the new arm of Pasadena Community Foundation comes in and this is all about rebuilding Althadena. These are donor dollars restricted to rebuilding. So we've so far we've spent about a million dollars on two different initiatives to increase housing and a partnership with Greenline Housing and a partnership with Beacon Housing. We assume that this is going to last for three, four, five years probably, but at this point, very little money is going out and it will, we're going through some different stages initially, which I'll explain in a minute. So in addition to the housing initiatives and the money that we've distributed through Eat and Fire, before the fires, we had an affordable housing initiative, and we're going to be announcing soon that a million dollars are going out specifically to two housing projects, one with Habitat for Humanity and another one for Heritage Housing Partners. This is since this is not fire money, this is our own regular budget. So the remaining funds, what's left, as I said, we have about not counting out the dina builds back back We had about 15 million three and a half million have already been spent and the remaining funds will be definitely going to phases one and phases two for as I said immediate cash relief to families and things like childcare health care care management, et cetera, and long-term temporary housing. And all of the rest of the money is gonna go directly to the rebuild. The stages of the work of the Altadena Builds Back Foundation, which was just announced recently, is what they're doing right now is basically engaging the community needs, doing a community needs assessment to gather information, to gather data, they're speaking to community members, residents, officials, local leaders, architects. They want to identify the populations that best are best served by our resources. They're going to define the most impactful housing strategies. They're going to determine who the key partners are, and then they'll be implementation. And as I said before, that was expected to last about four to five years to rebuild. And again, just to repeat the zero funds that are restricted to rebuilding and Altadena. Thank you very much. Thank you so much for your presentation. I'll turn to Councilmember Hampton. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you Ms. Boga for your presentation. And thank you for the work that you're doing with the Pasadena Community Foundation. It's truly appreciated. I had a question about phase two. You had mentioned that phase two had dollars for housing. And that was not connected to the Alsteading and rebuild back. I want to know how much is in that fund. You said 1.5 million was spent, but I didn't know how much was in that piece of the phase. Sorry, you're on mute. Sorry, we haven't specified exactly what we're expecting to spend down. We're assuming maybe another maybe half a million, 750,000 might continue to go out in that immediate relief and the rest of the funds. So we're talking about 11.5 million that are left, maybe without phase one. We're talking about 11 million and that is money that we expect to go out to, as I said, childcare and housing. That would be long-term, temporary housing, specifically directly related to the eaten fire because all of these funds have been collected with the intention that we are supporting the fire. Yes, and so my question is, if I'm a resident, I'm looking at this right now, I'm like, oh my gosh, this sounds amazing. It sounds like they need to know what nonprofits you have donated to so that they could get the resources. So is there a list of nonprofits that you could share with the city and let us know where there's still funds available so that we could push out to our residents to let them know where there's still funds that they could apply for. Yeah, the issue is remember that we do not grant individuals that needs to be all the way always through on profits, but all of that I can share that information, all of that information is on the web, but I'd be happy to put together a list and let people know exactly which, with whom we are working, which nonprofits we are working. Perfect. And then I have a question to follow up on. During the pandemic, you know, we did a matching fund with the Pasadena Community Foundation, at least that's what I recall, where we gave, I forget what the the number was, but there was funds that went to businesses that were detrimentally impacted by COVID and having to shut down. And so I recall that the passing educational foundation, or I'm sorry, not passing education on that. It's a lot of community, the passing community foundation. I recall that you guys took in applications from business owners. That is correct. I end my understanding, I was not here at that time, but my understanding is that that was federal funding. We partnered with the city to use our application process to distribute those funds, but those funds were not Pasadena Community Foundation funds. That's my recollection. Okay, I guess if we could look more into that, and the reason I ask this is, you know, I know that your organization does a lot with matching funds. And right now what we have is a lot of different resources where residents could or at one point in time we're able to get funds. As well as property owners or housing providers be able to apply for this. A lot of those deadlines are gone. We have recently in the city of Pasadena we have put in a basically a moratorium on eviction for the next six months. And we have residents that are suffering, we have residents that are hurting and they need extra assistance and they haven't been able to get that assistance whether it be from the SBA I've heard from residents that apply for SBA loans that were denied and it's unfortunate but we have put something in place here to try to stop the bleed but if our residents are able to catch up at all then six from now, our residents are displaced because they're not able to pay. They're rent or whatever those issues are, whatever they need to be paying. And so the county has put things to get on, I understand the county has much deeper pockets than we do in here in Pasadena. And I appreciate all of the organizations that have come together, but maybe there's opportunity for us to do something similar to what we did during COVID for our residents and housing providers to try to cover some of that gap, that whole, that our property owners and tenants or housing providers and tenants aren't able to pay while we have the six month why people are still trying to figure out what their next steps are I mean there's a lot of trauma that has gone around behind this I know some people that aren't even going haven't even gone back to work yet I'm even my own field rep has still been displaced. She's out and she's not, you know, no necessarily when she'll be coming back with a cross my fingers, I hope it makes it back. And so whatever support that we could put in, and I appreciate this report, but the request was how many general fund dollars can we leverage with some of our great partners at the PICC, uh, passing the community foundation to do some matching grant. I know that you just something you probably have to, um, talk to your board about, but I would, I would be, it's one city council member. I'd be supportive of doing something where we could try to partner and leverage with our Pasinini Community Foundation. Maybe 500,000 and they match five. I don't know what the number is, but she'll have to take that back to our to our board. But about 117, I just did some rough math. So 117 Pasinini residents or 117 homes were completely affected. There was more than that. That was just a staff report. But I just said 3,000 times three, right? And it came up to almost $980,000. So yeah, $980, I had the math up. I just took it down. I don't know how I did that. But it was like $980,000. If there's a way that we could put something together and then let our residents apply and figure out if there is that need, I think there is that need. I think there's probably a need for more. We should be doing that because not only are our residents suffering, the whole community is suffering. And with the fact that we have so much, I mean, there's been a lot in anything that we can do as a community to help we should. And even if that means general fund dollars, that's my perspective. That would be a motion that I I make later, let it down the road. I don't know what that number will be. But I do think that we should be putting some general fund dollars towards this and potentially partnering with one of our organizations that passed any community foundation. I'm sure you've got to talk to your board, but yeah. we're open to discussions to looking at ways that we can work together without a doubt we're here for the community. Perfect thank you Miss Bogart. My pleasure. Thank you, Miss Bogart and thank you Councilmember Hampton. I believe Councilmember Madison is excellent thank you. Go ahead. You're muted. Yep, I lowered my hand and thought I was unmuting myself. Thank you, Janine. It's good to see you. And thanks for all the great work that you're doing. I have a couple of questions for our staff, though. First, I read the report as related to rental assistance, but it seems as though that's a difficult subject to get one's arm around in the context of a catastrophe that destroyed homes overnight. I mean, Ginny is telling us about childcare and other forms of assistance. So is this too myopic of a request from the council, of a request from the council? Like should we be broadening this to understand total assistance available? It's a very good question. You know, we did scour everywhere we could find. We did understand the request to be about rent relief. And so we limited it to that information. But I'm sure in the course of looking at the information, we potentially found other information. And we'd be happy to share that as well, though, I don't think we're prepared at the moment, because we did focus it on rent relief to make that presentation in the moment. Yeah, I think even if it were rent relief, it'd be hard to draw a line. You know, I think, for example, Pasadena, Humane is still housing something like a hundred displaced, you know, animals that were members of households that were destroyed or displaced. And probably part of the reason for that is that those pets aren't welcome in the temporary housing that the families have had to resort to. Is that rental assistance? Who's to say? friends know, friends indeed is seeing more clients, I think, now than they were before the fires. I know that's a nutrition, principally not what we think of as shelter, you know, but I know Cal Fire, the Cal Fire Foundation was out day or two after the fire, I think they distributed over $2 million in direct relief to the displaced persons from the fires. Even in our own city, we've had employees displaced. And I know at the Rose Bowl, because I sit on the board, the legacy fund is supporting our employees with financial assistance, or that is the Roseballs employees. So I, I for one would like to widen the aperture and try to capture more information further to Council Member Hampton's sentiment that we should be prepared to do, you know, whatever we can. I do wanna ask again of our. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. 9,000 and it's unclear how many are homes and how many are other structures, how many are garages, but it's in the order of magnitude between, I would say, six and nine for sure. Jeanine, you're probably living this. If you have, and we want to hold you to it, but I'm just looking for information. I think they're talking about almost a total of almost 10,000 structures and close to 7,000 were actual homes. That's my recollection, but don't hold me to it. Appreciate that. I knew it was some number of thousands, and again undoubtedly a number of those folks are living in Pasadena Presently. So their home may have been in Altadena, but they're now even if a temporary Pasadena resident looking for relief and for help. Can I ask where they habitat and heritage, not the address, but just the city, where county is habitat and then the heritage projects that you mentioned. Were they located? Oh, you're muted. No, we're even. Sorry. Impacidina, both of them are impacidina. The Habitat for Humanities, CalTrans homes and the Heritage Housing Partners is, I believe, on Walnut, something I don't know the exact address. Okay, great. And so, and you expect to be funding those, not as part of all to Dean of Bill's back, but as from the other source of... From our regular grants budget, annual grants budget. Got it. Part of our affordable housing initiative. Okay. Well again I think it'd be good to update this report and my vote as it were would be I can't speak to our staff would be to widen the aperture and look not don't try to cabin things around rental assistance but look look more broadly, and then look for ways we can help or facilitate the delivery of relief to the residents, because one way or the other, it's affecting Pasadena. Maybe not as significantly as Al-Tedena, but perhaps more than just the ratio of some five to 7,000 homes versus 117 would suggest. So thanks very much. Council member Cole? Yeah, I'm certainly sympathetic to Council member Madison's reference to the broader impact and what we can do to help. I think though we have a specific issue why this is here. We unanimously adopted the county's approach to protecting people from being evicted because they couldn't pay their rent directly due to the eating fire. And if they get evicted, they may become homeless, they certainly will have a very difficult time finding another home in Pasadena. And the other factor is that for that period of time in which they cannot pay their rent, both the county and us as a matter of public policy have put that burden on their landlords. I think we're concerned about both of those sides of the equation that we don't want people evicted. We don't want them to become homeless. But we don't want to put the burden entirely on the landlords who are providing housing. So that's the genesis of this report. And I think we need to focus on on solving this problem and I'm certainly open to looking at the other problems next. But my big concern is twofold. First of all, if let's say a person's rent is $2,000 a month, the six month passes they now have an $8,000 bill at the end of six months. Who's going to have had $8,000 at the end of six months? So they're going to end up out on the street in six months and the landlords will have lost $8,000 worth of income. So there's a lose-lose. So that's where I think there's a sense of urgency. I am low to get the city directly involved because we have to write rules, we have to enforce rules, we have to, and a non-profit would be much better able to judge who should be entitled, who's eligible than us trying to develop a whole new set of rules and bring it to the council and on and on. So I'd like to see us have direct conversations with Pasadena Community Foundation, seek out with the help of potentially the property owners, a nonprofit who could be a source of people who are struggling to pay their rent, maybe they can pay 50% of their rent. Maybe they can pay a third of their rent. Maybe the nonprofit can help them with half of their rent. So they don't end up creating a giant bill at the end, which means that they're going to get evicted in the end anyway. That's my goal is to avoid evictions of our local residents and avoid putting the burden to avoid those evictions on property owners. And I think, you know, somewhere in that $11 or $12 million, there ought to be some funding. And I am open to my colleagues offer of matching funds, as long as that doesn't get us into the point where we put our matching funds and now suddenly we've got to have a long complicated bureaucratic process to set the rules that take six months. So and I'd like to see the match be maybe one for two so we get the maximum leverage and maybe there are other sources besides the passing and community foundation but they seem to be open at least to those discussions and as was pointed out our last meeting the city certainly identified the passing and community foundation as the principal source where we sought to direct them because of our high level of trust and support for the work that they do and the partnerships that we've had in the past. So that's, I'm prepared to support Councilmember Hampton's initiative here. I think we should move forward on this narrow issue and then happy to pursue with Councilmember Madison, other needs in our community. Thank you. Council Member Rasuda. Thank you, Vice Mayor. And Council Member Cole, I really appreciate it. I mean, I really appreciate you talking about trying to balance the fairness of landlords and for tenants. It's doing an emergency like we just had. It's not easy. Thank you for the report. And I only have a couple questions regarding funds. Do you know how much funds is allocated to Pasadena residents? I know you mentioned El Tadena's support. What about Pasadena's residents? The funding that we received has all been donations specifically related to the Eaton fire. Yes. So, so people impacted by the eaten fire. The money that has gone specifically to Al-Tadina builds back that foundation, that money is restricted to Al-Tadina rebuilding Al-Tadina, whereas the other funds are open to relieving the pressure supporting those people, individuals and families and households who have been impacted by the fire. Thank you. You're welcome. Councillor Rillian. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Jeanine, good to see you. I don't know if you can see us, but we see you. I can. So I looked at the website. Thank you for mentioning that it's on the Community Foundation's website, sort of who the nonprofit partners you're working with. It doesn't look like any of those nonprofit partners are doing direct rent relief. Do you know for sure that anyone is? Yes, Dorav hope was offering support to families who were renting. We gave them a grant, significant grant back in January, early February, Civic Soul, which is a newer nonprofit. They have a property and, or they have access to a property in Glendale. And so we supported them with some rental, sort of the idea of a down payment first and last month's rent, type of thing, helping to get families in the door, knowing that those initial costs are often very steep for people to move into a new place. And in addition to that, we've been working with Greenline Housing, who has also been working with Civic Soul to get families into this property in Glendale. So we've worked with those three organizations and we're open to continuing to work with them or to work with other organizations. Okay, great. Thank you. So I support Councilmember Cole's approach to, you know, if we can put some dedicated city staff time into working with Pasadena Community Foundation and identifying a nonprofit partner to facilitate the work. I don't know that we need to put general fund dollars into it if we, you know, we certainly have directed a lot of people to the foundation. But we also can't, you know, we're not budgeting the foundation's money, so we've got to be working with them. But I do think we want to try to set up a program because it's in our interest to make sure that we don't have, you know, mass homelessness starting in a few months. I would request if we're going to do that program, that both tenants and property owners are eligible to apply. And then we'll just, they need to be able to track the rent relief for a particular unit, whether it goes to the landlord or to the tenant. And obviously that, either way, if the, you know, if the tenant's not willing or able to apply for the relief, then the landlord can go in directly and try to get that. So that either way we're covering people. Which would be credited to the person's rent, which would be helpful to them. Right. But you could imagine a tenant who's, if they know they're headed out in a few months and they're not so worried about the rent relief. Maybe they're not worried about getting the relief in the meantime. So, just making it so the landlord can reply directly. And we certainly have the staff resources we can bring to that. And I wanted to highlight Dr. Helen Morales has in the chambers here with us and she'd mentioned that the rent stabilization department has created a program, a mediation program to help bring tenants and landlords together to figure out a solution. And I said some modest success with that already and so that will be an ongoing program. But certainly us getting involved in trying to help resolve the problem through staff work, that's certainly something we've been doing continue to do. Much more challenging on the resources side given where we are in our budget. And we will continue to collaborate with Loyola Center for conflict resolution in order to help landlords and tenants work out their own agreements and create arrangements and things of that nature. Thank you. I really, the sort of level of the dialogue has gotten pretty heated as between activists on the two sides anyway, between the tenant side and the landlord side. So I appreciate anything you can do to sort of bring that down and try to, you know, this is in all of our interest to make a community that works for everybody. So I appreciate that one. And whatever we can do to help, we will work with the housing department as well. Thank you. Absolutely. Actually, if I can ask you one more quick question, Helen. Just in terms of mediation, is that looking at having landlords and tenants negotiate like a decrease in rent over a period of time? Is that the sort of goal of this program? And they can work out their agreements together. And so they're working with attorneys who will come in from Loyola Law School. And they work in and have a meeting together. And then they try and work out arrangements. We've had success with a lot of agreements. Great. Thank you so much for that. You're welcome. Councilmember Jones. Thanks, Vice Mayor and thanks, Miss Bogard, for your presentation and your service to our community. I had a one quick question. So are the nonprofits that you're donating money to? Are they providing reports to you? And are you seeing like who exactly they are providing the rent relief to? Not specific names, but yes, they are reporting back to us to let us know exactly the number of people they're supporting Oh, that that's good and so I think I would support Councilmember Hampton and councilmember Kohl's and councilmember Lions initiative is to we Allocate some staff time to really think through this to make sure that one that a resident doesn't fall through the cracks right because if if as councilmember coal mentioned if they can't pay $2,000 a month today and six months from now they have $12,000 bill I highly doubt they're going to be able to pay that and the same thing for the landlord is that Oftentimes they rely on that rent to pay the mortgage especially like a pop and pop or I didn't say that and just to look at you it but You know or a mom and mom or a mom and pop a covered everything there or others right or others people who provide housing, exchange for money, or a landlord or a landlord but you know they can fall into debt as well right and so I think we need to make sure that we're covering all bases and we're providing the assistance to our residents, to the landlords. And if the city has any collaboration and help, we can offer it to the Pasadena Community Foundation, ultimately to our residents to ensure that in six months we're not looking at people in debt more people On the streets or living in their cars and we don't have enough safe safe parking spaces. There's not enough Affordable housing for folks already as it is and then you compile that with not only Pasadena Residents, but out to the end of residence and so it's just a cycle that we would continue to dig ourselves in. And I think if we can at least help prevent that, I think it's incumbent upon us to do all we can to help prevent that. So I would definitely support Council member Hampton and Cole and Lion. I guess it seems like everyone on the council is initiative to allocate some staff time. And then, you know, I'm not going to go as far as saying that we should allocate money from the general fund to it just yet because, you know, we do have a budget deficit that we're looking at. So we do have to be good stewards with our money. But perhaps we still look into that and have a report back on those type of funds and initiatives. And we certainly have funding that's for people that are sort of falling through the cracks and qualify to avert homelessness. We do have those funds. You saw some of those presented and so we could being part of the conversation. We could try and as soon as they're qualified for those resources to the extent we have them available. Happy to work along with Pasadena Community Foundation and many others on that effort. If I can ask a quick question on that point. For example, the ESG Rush funding, you need to have your income can exceed 30% of the LA County area median income. If you lost your job, your income is zero. We're not looking at the past year or looking at present income. Is that I would think so. Jenny. That's correct. Okay, that's good to hear. I see you're in the queue, but we do have public comment. If we could go to public comment before we circle back again to Oh, and Jeanine go ahead. I just I just wanted to make a just add a comment that since the this happened, we had a lot of disaster relief for people, different organizations that had experienced with disaster relief and recovery in other community foundations, other states, other communities. And some of them came back to us with some really creative ideas. And one of those was what they called host housing. And that was the idea that many people, including myself, had family members living at their home right after the fire. And in some cases, those family members to continue to live with them and in the beginning it's lovely because it's a family member and then after a while it's not so lovely because it gets tiring to have guests in your house so that the host housing was basically a stipend for those families who are hosting other individuals. They may be family members or they may just be friends, but it just makes the situation. It's not very much money, but it allows, I think they talked about 500 per individual per month up to 2000 for a family who was living in someone else's home. So again, it's just an idea of thinking creatively and thinking of ways that we might be able to support those families who are supporting family members or close friends in their homes. It's just an idea. Thank you for that. I believe Councillor B�gones had a very quick follow-up. Yeah, just on that point, one, I qualify for the host housing because I'm hosting my father. He was affected by the eating fire. And so maybe I'll look into that funding. But also in the district that I represent there are a lot of families and friends who have moved in residence from Al-Tadena and so I think you know I didn't know that you're going to bring this up that was going to be my exact question is how can we help them because a lot of them have reached out to me saying that they've seen their utility bills increase obviously like grocery bills have increased especially if someone's moved in and they don't have employment right now so they can't contribute to the household similar to my father so I just want to think that we need to help those who have taken in folks who've been affected by even fire in Pasadena and regardless whether they're Pasadena residents or Al-Tedena residents too. Thank you. I just want to say what you're doing for your father. You supposed to do. Not as far as you're... In all seriousness though, but they're essentially Pasadena residents right now and so we want to look out for for everyone Why don't we turn to public comment? We have a speaker cards from Christine Rodriguez Samuel Taylor and Vi fam Go ahead welcome. Hi. Thank you. Welcome back. Nice to see you. I'm Miss Jell. I'm here to talk about what we just discussed. I would argue that we should be dipping into our general fund. We have been given a report and there is about $111 million being spent on police, which is our second largest spending of the general fund. If we are in desperate need and wanting to help those impacted by the fire here in Pasadena, I think we should definitely be looking into and getting creative just as our presenter mentioned of looking into where we can capture funds. On top of that, I do have concerns on one, the programs that are available, it sounds like they're for people who are extremely low income. A fear that we might be punishing those who are working class, who do not meet that criteria and who might be seeking those specific funds. I also have concerns about funneling this possible funding of rental assistance through the nonprofit sector. I feel it's very, you have to have technology skills. You have to know where to go for that kind of program. If it were to go through the nonprofit sector, I would maybe suggest that it be a centralized nonprofit that people can get directed to immediately, as opposed to calling multiple numbers just to figure out what's the right place for me. In addition, I think that any rental assistance should be to anybody who's been impacted by the fires here in Pasadena, whether you are a home owner who was displaced because of habitability issues or your home owner who lost their home as well. And now you are forced to become a renter. I definitely believe that renter assistance should go to anybody who's a renter in Pasadena who has been displaced. In addition, there's a lot of costs that come with being displaced to the fires. We had mentioned those catching up on any kind of debt that you're going through. The folks that I've been hearing from, they've been having to have, and they had to move and the place that they're living that is $500 more than what they're used to and even smaller just running that for a studio, you know, for a survivor. And so I really encourage the City Council to agenda is, you know, creating a program the details of what that would be in order to really serve the public and their needs. Thank you. Thank you. Samuel Taylor, followed by Vive fam, followed by Simon Gibbons. Hello. I wanted to urge the City Council to broaden and expand renter assistance programs for those impacted by the fire. In the beginning of the report back it talked about how we don't even know the full number of those impacted by the fire. And for such an enormous event I think there also needs to be an even bigger effort to support those who have been affected by this. I think also just like with Christine's comment I think that there should be something that's centralized through the city government and not necessarily through nonprofits. I think there are a number of reasons why. Certainly it's very difficult for a lot of people affected by this to navigate all the different nonprofits sectors. I think also the job of the government fundamentally is to serve the people. I also wanted to comment on the discussion between supporting renters versus supporting landlords. I mean, I have my own personal sympathies because, like many people have to rent to survive. But I think that one is, issue is clearly subordinate to the other. I think that there, I mean, most everybody who does not own a home has to rent to survive. I think that it's of the utmost urgency to support renters right now. I mean, I think that if renters have money in their hands and support in their hands, I don't see any reason why they would not pay rent and then the situation for the landlord would then mostly be resolved So I think that I would definitely urge city council to move urgently To broaden and expand renters assistance programs for those impacted by the fire as soon as possible To really help curtail what has been an enormous disaster on this community and help people get their lives back. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Vice-Fam followed by Simon Gibbons. Hello, my name is Vee and I'm a passing inventor and I'm here with the LA Fire Survivors Committee to call on this council to broaden and expand expand mentor relief efforts to meet the enormity of this disaster. As of last month, a very few federal and local funding programs for fire's waivers have closed, as you all have been saying, people are still suffering. Your Director of Housing says that the nonprofit and face-based orgs are the, quote, strong basis of support to support, sorry, to serve the needs of those impacted by the en fires. And to that, Director Wang I may ask, why are nonprofits and why not this council be that strong base of support for the people? Isn't it the role of the government to step in and quickly aid its people in such a crisis, to make sure we land on our feet and come back stronger? The Pasina Unified School District Board laid off 115 teachers after hours of heartfelt pleas from teachers whose homes burned down and yet they still wanted to continue to teach here. Where will these teachers go? How will they pay their rent? Renters lost their homes during the fires like Gil who spoke earlier, many are still displaced and facing enormous barriers to try and rebuild their livelihoods. Some renters stayed and their landlords doubled their rent. Where will renters go? How will they pay their rent? So I ask again, isn't it the role of the city council to step in and quickly aid the people in such a crisis to make sure that we land on our feet and come back stronger? City council members, today you have the opportunity to answer that question. You have the opportunity to provide meaningful, broad and venture relief programs that will meet the needs of all Pasina residents affected by the fires. You yourself have said you do not know the number of residents impacted. This is basis alone to expand the criteria for who is approved for rent relief. Income alone is an incomplete way to measure the needs of the working class after such an apocalyptic disaster. So we urge you to take action now for the future of Pasina. Thank you. Thank you. And then Simon Gibbons. I have a question of the speaker. That's okay. See, you'd mention that in your comments that the rents were doubled somewhere? Yes, I have spoken to renters whose landlords doubled their rent as like the crisis was emerging. And did they report that? Did they do you know if they're still still doubled? It's illegal to do that. That's the reason why I'm asking because to make a statement like that, you need to let those residents know that they need to Report that immediately because that is that's price gouging. That's illegal in the state of California Well, it's I literally spoke someone on the phone yesterday who that happened So police have them getting contact do we have a number that we could have them contact? It's They Not emergency number for the police department. I don't know the number. They have to contact the police It's a it's a it's a it's a it's a crime and for us to be able to follow up with it that is a way to do that And I know there have been a lot of statements saying that that has occurred, but there haven't been a lot of very few actual reports so if that's happening the city needs to know that. Could they also call the city prosecutor's office? They could. Okay. And that's the numbers 626, 744, 41611. But whoever it is who actually knows that this has occurred as opposed to they've been told that, that would be helpful. Okay, and I also have the police non-emergency number for anyone who's listening or if you're ready to take it right now. It's 626-744-4241. Thank you, Councilmember Hampton, for highlighting that. That's very important. And again, that's in the city of Pasadena. If it's in the county, we don't have authority or jurisdiction over that. And if I I may ask what are the avenues of Communications that have been put out to folks that you know, they should be reporting this we did a number of press statements And we've mentioned it at our council meetings Press releases special media. Yes. Oh, and social media a lot of social media on that. Okay. Thank you Thank you. I believe there's one more public comment. Simon K. It's. Hi, Simon. Welcome. Good evening. Thank you. I'm a Pasadena resident and landlord. Like a lot of people, I have interests on both sides of this. My in-laws family lost their home in Althardena. They're living with us. It's a very full house with an awful lot of dogs. We try to get by if there is a way to get funding for feeding for huge German shepherds. I certainly look into that. So many people have lost so much here and it's vital that we work together to find ways to help with that. There are going to be at the minimum some hundreds of people who need assistance over the next six months and maybe longer. The difficulty that we found during the COVID moratoriums is it was hard to know where funding was coming from, what the rules were going to be, how long it might last. Many landlords found themselves on the hook for enormous bills and didn't always get all of it back. There's huge amounts of money at stake. Like many other property owners on landlords, I've just paid my tax bill. $15,000 just went to LA County. And so the thought of not being able to back that up with the income that I need is a pretty scary. I do think that the most urgent thing is to start putting numbers around how many tenants we think are going to be immediately affected. I'm saying I'm guessing initially 100. I could be wrong by a factor of several, but I don't think we're looking at many, many thousands. That's the kind of number that initially could be funded quite quickly through an emergency measure and backed up later. So please, as a friend from the Red Board mentioned, can we try to make this centralized, rapid and backed by analysis? Thank you for your time and thank you for taking up this important matter. Thank you so much. Thank you. That completes public comment on this item. Also, I should announce that the City Clerk's Office received correspondence from the April 7th meeting which was one letter advocating for the City to review how to offer targeted support payments or loans to help both tenants and landlords recover from the eating fire and then for this posting of this agenda with the City Clerk's Office received seven letters expressing concerns with the City Council's handling of the eviction moratorium related to the Eden fire in opposition of housing providers taking on the financial burden of providing free housing to tenants and are providing comments on this matter and that that correspondence with distributed to the council posted online as part of the record for this item. Thank you. Thank you for that. It sounds like there's that we're coalescing around a similar idea, both the council and the members of the public who came out tonight. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. Councilmember Cole, I know you were wanted to get right into the queue. Go ahead. Thank you. Let me try a motion and see if my colleagues want to fine tune it to make sure that I include all of the concerns that have been addressed. Again, focusing in on the rental assistance, not to preclude us taking action on other pressing needs. So my motion would be direct the city manager to work with the housing department and rent stabilization department to establish a centralized rental assistance resource. So everyone would be there be one number even if there were more than one way to to help. To assist tenants directly affected by the Eden fire under the ordinance passed by the city. Working collaboratively with the Pasadena Community Foundation to identify one or more nonprofits to provide assistance by minimizing evictions through mediation and rental assistance with tenants in their landlords with potential future reconsideration or potential consideration of city matching funding as well as setting up a reporting mechanism for those who seek relief under our ordinance. I need to show you that. Didn't have the other side good to play. Yes. Okay. And is that available to both tenants and their landlords? So you direct your your motion is to ask staff to return with this. No, I'm asking staff to go forward and see if they can look. We have a number of possible sources, but they're not great. You have to qualify on this, that or the other thing. There's a larger group. Maybe it's 100. Maybe it's less. Maybe it's more. We don't know who will take advantage specifically of our motion, our ordinance. Right? We're not just talking about these are people who under our ordinance have to notify their landlord. Right? I cannot pay because I am directly affected by the by the identifier. That's a that's that's what we're focusing in on. Those people are taking advantage of the ordinance to not fully pay their rent. And that we seek to work to fill that hole with rental assistance through the passing and community foundation and a nonprofit. And if we can do that, great. And if we can't, then we should consider potentially moving city matching funds in to fill that hole as well I hope that captures what I'm happy to read it again if that's helpful I will we can pick it up from the table well I'm more concerned about my colleagues understanding it and and and if they have a better idea To offer it, but I'm trying to put put my arms around a complicated discussion so that we can take action tonight to move this forward because people on May 1st are either going to tell their landlord I Can't there is going to pay their rent or they're going to tell my landlord, I was affected, I lost my job, I lost my business, and I need rental relief under the city's law. They have to notify their, they can't just not pay their rent. They have to notify their landlord. And we should be able to to track that and we should identify ways through mediation And through a nonprofit helping out ways to close that gap so that Tenants are not running up big unpaid bills and landlords are not on the hook for for loss of income. What do you mean by mediation in your motion? Because we just heard we have a mediation program through the rent stabilization department. Just incorporating that to say they would help. I mean, if without any dollars, if a landlord and a tenant can work it out, great. If the landlord and tenant work it out, but they they need 100 bucks a month to make it work. We turn to the nonprofit and say, can you provide that 100 bucks? And that's what I'm envisioning is as much collaboration as possible so that people don't end up out on the streets. Thanks for that clarification. So it's no new guidance for that program, just kind of elevating it and making it part of this. Right. OK. And you say, that's why I said specifically the housing department and the rent stabilization. I think we all got to work together here to make sure that people don't fall through the cracks. Did you bring up that the city exploring, providing matching funds? Yeah, I said with potential future consideration of city matching funding. So we're not committing to that today. But when they come back and say, look, we've talked to this nonprofit and they want X. Or we've talked to the passing community foundation. They'll put up a million dollars if we put up half a million. But we would leave that open, but we would not commit a dollar amount. If people want to commit a dollar amount tonight, I'm not adverse to that, but I was thinking we need to put dollar amount on the table tonight. I think that's a good approach. Council Member Madison, you're in the queue. Go ahead. Thanks, Vice Mayor. I'm a little uncomfortable with the motion. It's very specific and detailed and sounds like something that a city manager would propose after receiving direction from the council to as a policy maker to provide more robust help. So I'm interested in the City Manager's reaction. And also, this was an information item. So I'm interested in the City Manager's reaction and also this was an information item. So I'm curious from the city attorney if this comports with the requirements of the Brown Act, I guess, to have such a detailed granular direction to staff. That's one of the reasons I asked if it was asking that it return because that would clearly be within the scope of information. Since you said a lot of it does, well, I don't know about a lot, but a portion of what you said requires returning. It's at least on his face potentially something that would be okay. Yeah, but maybe I haven't heard a second, but I might make a friendly amendment that we provide the city manager direction to come back to us with a proposal from where he sits as the CEO of the municipal services organization under the charter that we could adopt as a policy. And I think that that way there'd be better notice to the community and all the stakeholders. And you know, we don't stray into the lane of the city manager. And Council Member Matt, as if I can respond to your question, sort of my reaction, these things are endlessly complicated. I mean, this was a disaster of an enormous scale. And lots of, you know, one of the biggest frankly challenges we had was throughout the whole event was disaster, I'm sorry, donation management because so many people want to help. And we've been trying to get our arms around that to this day. In fact, someone just showed me there's a whole website called EatinFireClarbrative.org. And we have all of our trusted partners have come together and put together this whole list of resources. And that's an excellent, you know, kind of goes a lot to the comments that were just made about what you'd like City staff to do. But this website, even collaborative fire, the infirecollaborative.org is an excellent resource. We're happy to continue to work on it. I, you know, before I want to commit to anything, I always want to ask the people I work with because it's teams that get this work done. And I'm happy to take direction from the council, go back to the teams, have meetings and figure out what we can propose. And happy to do that work. Again, the only, with respect to any matching dollars, I would suggest that we do that through a budget process because, you know, we're still trying to figure out revenues we may or may not have. that we have with insurance rates going up, pensions and all that kind of stuff. And so you'd have a much more informed decision about whether we had the ban with to provide resources for a matching program once we look at the entire budget. And this year in particular has been a really tricky one as you can read throughout the region. Most government entities are really in a challenge position to make ends meet. And we're no different. And so it would be a better course to take up the budget issues, part of the budget process. And certainly we could do all the other work and try to have myself, the ability to give myself the ability to meet with the teams. Not just my own internal team, but all of our partners that work so hard to serve the community. Well, let me thank you very much. I appreciate those comments. Let me make my motion not a friendly amendment, but rather a substitute motion to ask the City Manager to return with a specific recommendation addressing the council's consensus, I think, that we want to make sure that we're doing our level best to help avoid needless evictions and more homelessness in Pasadena. Thank you, Councillor Matison. I don't know that we had a second for the original motion or not the second yet. Yeah, so this is a motion now. You just made a motion, Councilor Madison? I made a substitute motion to ask the seat counter to come back. I don't think it's a substitute. There wasn't a second for the original motion, but I was going to chime in with Councilmember Cole and his suggestions and see if they're way to add something to it. But there wasn't a second to the queue. Next to the queue, go ahead. I guess that's a motion as well. So I mean, they both motions. Just one die, what happens? If it didn't have a second it died. Okay, so. It would be an original motion. Okay, so I'm not gonna make an original motion, even though I brought this. Madison's being. Oh, that. We're chatted. So I'm not gonna second that motion. Okay. We'll let someone else's. Okay. Okay. I'm supportive of Council Member Cole's motion or statement or direction to city staff having the work and I had something written down not nearly as wordy but something close. But I wanted to add a number and I understand that you want we want to do that through a budget process but A number creates more problems a dollar number. I know there's concerns. I think council member Massacres in the city attorney has explained we are in it information only item and so we But the city manager has discretion. I'm sorry the city manager does have discretion up to 150 that what is your discretion? For what for contracts or for without having to come to 50 My my discretion or the Charter I believe it is it's under an ordinance, but the charter authorizes it. The ordinance is 250,000. Okay, so you have discretion to if we need to match funds, he has discretion to do that, the city manager. Up to 250, and then if we need more, we can come back. The reason why I'm saying this is because time is of the essence. You know, we're gonna have a meeting, and then we're gonna come it's gonna come back to another meeting and then might come back to another meeting. By that time, you know, it's August. And we have residents that actually have needs and concerns right now. And so maybe the city manager, it's his discretion. The contracting authority is the word that the discretion comes but not budget authority. The council has to approve a budget to make that contract. What is the monitor? So the council through the ordinance and pursuant to the charter gave the city manager the contracting authority to enter into a contract for up to $250,000 without coming to the council. But that's a different authority from budget authority. You have to in the first instance have money to spend for this purpose. And it hasn't been budgeted by the council, yes, when he's correct. I understand. Okay. Well, then I did want to put, if that's a problem that I guess it needs to come back to us in three weeks or Kitty come back to us sooner. I make where our next meeting is in three weeks Next meeting next meeting of the council the regular meeting that's not gonna be The capital improvement program joint meeting with finance committee is May 5th. So yes, three weeks. So I would be supportive of Councilmember Coles original motion. So you would like to, did you have that motion? You know, I'm notwithstanding Councilmember Madison's sarcasm or perhaps it wasn't sarcasm. Yeah, Mr. Cole, I'm going to ask you again to not characterize my comments but discuss the matter at Amph please. Well, I have fair enough. I am sympathetic to his point. And so I'm ready. I'm prepared to simplify the motion because I'm going to take the point. And again, Councilmember Madison, I wish you would be, you know, you don't need to characterize it as something that a city manager might propose being the only city manager sitting on this Dias. Alright, so if we're clear. You're not the only city manager, the only city manager. On the council, sir, on the council. I will just say it sounds like we are all coming from the right, the same place. Exactly. We're all on the same goal. We're just struggling to find the most efficient way. So I'm, I'm, go ahead and take a step. I want to be, I want to be respectful of his point. Notwithstanding, you know, feeling a little bit personally criticized by the way he made it. And so let me simplify the motion and see if we can get a second. Direct the city manager proposed the best way to work with the Pasadena Community Foundation and other community partners to set up an effective resource for meeting the needs of tenants affected by the Eden fire under the terms of the city's affirmative defense ordinance to be available to both tenants and landlords for assistance. So I can, I mean that sounds the same but, I mean. I think we're all circling around the same thing and I think that does a decent job of summarizing it. I look to the city of Toronto if that is appropriate. If I can finish my question, if that is appropriate for an information item. That sounds like it is. Okay. Great. Go ahead, Council member. Call you and finish your comments. No, I just, again, I, Mr. Madison, I respect your point. And I'm trying to be responsive to it. Council Member Mon- Yeah, Eric, I would actually second that motion, but I don't want to get in the way of Mr. Hampton, who I think rightly claims that he was certainly one of those that started this whole conversation and I met no disrespect by characterizing the proposal as being so detailed that I felt it should come from the city manager Thank you Appreciate that Councilor lion. Thank you vice mayor Well, for what it's worth, I thought the proposal was suitably detailed and actually tried to account for everything we heard and I would love to see more motions like that. We were very clear about the direction we are jointly giving rather than one person saying one thing and somebody else saying something and we call it direction to staff and it's not clear who supports what so I Appreciate it the clarity of the motion. I actually don't support what I understand the second motion the modified motion to be which is to come back again With some other recommendation. I think we are clear at this point that we the one thing we heard from both the tenant community and from the landlord community was we need this We for however many might be five people might be 500 people who take advantage of the rent moratorium. We need relief. We need to try to bring money into that system now. So I don't need to let me finish. I don't need to hear back. I think what we said is, please, like, the first thing we ask is what exists, are there programs that exist and you answered that question. Now I think we're saying, go make it happen. However you can, ideally working with someone else. I'm not yet prepared to support general fund dollars. I don't know that we have the general fund dollars. That it really is a whole separate conversation, but we heard a lot of willingness from the Pasadena Community Foundation to try to work this out, to try to work out a program. So I think our direction is pretty simple. Go work it out if you can and let us know what that program looks like. And you know, we went into the specifics of who can apply and who can't and what it needs to look like. You can work all that out, but let us know, but we into the specifics of who can apply and who can't and what it needs to look like. You can work all that out, but let us know. But we'll work out a program. I think that's what the current motion is. It says to set up. It doesn't say to to to you asked to report back. No, no, no, no. No, I said to propose. That's what it was to propose. So that says to me he's going to come back and say again like, hey, what do you think about this? Do it and let us know. That's where I think we are. I'm with you. Create. proposed so that says to me he's going to come back and say again like that's a good point. Hey what do you think about this? Do it and let us know that's where I think we are. I'm with you. I just look to the city attorney if we can do that under an information item. And the key would be the extent to which the item that's agendized gives the public a sense that some action is going to come out of this. And so I do think that the way the motion was framed most recently, which is to propose and the city manager, he can come back and say, I did this. Okay. Whatever it is or something like that. But you know, just we have to keep that in mind when we have information only items because people are thinking we're not right right. Attorney would you be comfortable with direct to city manager to develop the best way? Yes that's good. Would that be more? Yes fantastic. Can you read the full motion? Can you read the full motion? Yes. Director Fischer reverence wait let me just finish up what I'm doing before you I I don't know that any item ever needs to be framed as an information only item so that because we everything that comes to us we should be able to take action on if we feel the need to take action and for this one I think fairly the public understood that you know from based on the public comments we got the public understood that there was some potential for action here and they were asking for it but but let's just bring them all as new business so we can do whatever we need to do and council member coal I I 100% agree with that because last week I said this isn't be information item this should be action item and he came back as the information item again thank you to both here on Go ahead, Council Member Kohl, and summarize it again for us. Or state it, restate it. Direct the city manager to develop the best way to work with the Pasadena Community Foundation other community partners to set up an effective resource for meeting the needs of tenants affected by the eaten fire under the terms of the city's affirmative defense ordinance available to both tenants and landlords. I will second my original second. Second, I'll second. So we have a motion in a second. Any further discussion? Let's do the roll call then. Council Member Cole. Yes. Council Member Hampton. Yes. Council Member Jones. Yes. Council Member Lyon. Yes. Council Member Moussouda. Yes. May I read this? Yes. Councillor Hamilton. Yes. Councillor Marr-Jones. Yes. Councillor Lyon. Yes. Councillor Madison. Yes. Councillor M. Missuda. Yes. Vice Mayor Revis. Yes. Mayor Gordo is absent due to recuse of the motion passes unanimously. Vice Mayor, before we leave that, could I request that at the retreat, we find time to discuss this subject, which I think we all have questions about as to the boundaries of an information item versus. I'm a little squeamish about making everything an action because then the public still wouldn't know, you know, when we really intend to act and when we don't, but I think we could benefit from some discussion about that. Thank you for that. Thank you. I believe that's the last item on the agenda. June 20th. Yeah. June 20th that you said yes. One second everyone, was there any other announcements before we adjourned in memory of our? The only other announcement I would just remind the public that we the council will be meeting with Catherine Barter on Wednesday morning April 16th at 8.30 a.m. in the council chamber and the agenda is posted online if anybody wants to see the items of agenda for that little bit of a little bit of questions. Thank you so much for that. We will be adjourning this evening in honor and in memory of Jim Eucorpina and Doug Cranweagle. We could have a moment of silence. Thank you so much. We're adjourned.