I'd like to request a remote participation tonight due to childcare constraints. And a lot of two improvements. We're approved. So we have a quorum and we have five members of the body members participating. So call the way to order public petitions and board member petitions. Any board member petitions? And then we have one public person who is at least one who has a petition for us. If you can state your name and address for the record. Best thing right on the 2.14 line. Hold off. We're gonna let the person at the table go first. And as I'm sorry, I'm just too pointing. Right now, I didn't even say. You're in the same line. Looking at my eyes. He's both. Yeah, I just want to go through this. But by your head on the toe. Sorry, last. Hi. She got here first. Hi. I'm Laurie and Jackson. And this is 9113. We can out new. And I've come to talk to you on behalf of the potential Marine Enkysk will be keeping up as well as a personal interest in pollination, pollinators and environmental health within the City of False Church. So I'm mostly here to determine interest and possibilities of whether or not it was worth drafting out the full safety and safety plan proposal considering the school did not allow or any beehives on school property to utilize ability concerns. Though there are avenues at which liability can be shifted to the people working at beehives and away from the city in Toronto. So I'm here to pretty much just gauge whether it's worth considering down the path of planning. You have some little information on the DKP club. So we have 10 interested members, though given our inability to set up high as at school. We have not officially come together as a club just yet But I have some interest runners who would be willing to work through maintain and even fund E-fives, so we are asking for any money involved in jumping into that And then what is it that you need the landwires? Honestly, we need maybe 10 square feet. So that looks a bit more attractive. And we need a spot to put a hive because storage of equipment can be kept in school. So all we need is a place where we can set a hive preferably near flowers, but these will probably find them anyway. So we don't be very much. And have you scope out. work. Do you have chronologies? I have a couple. The park off broad down west, names escaping the west bank. No. So, yes, has a relatively established guardian that would work very well for kilometers and that is now the way corner of it where these should not bother any parts there's. We for the equipment. Are you talking about server? Away from the main paths. Through the park. So it would be away from where most visitors would be moving, helping to keep people safe and our equipment would be stored at the school. So. Any other parts that you were. Um. There are a couple. I mean West End has. West End does have a corner. Where the kids wouldn't necessarily be poking around. Um. And the new parts that went into next year are sticker has. Yes, has a nother relatively supported corner. We can sort of hide away from. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Danny. Have you started this with any other counties? I have not. I have not had that conversation. I could certainly reach out to some of our more local jurisdictions. See if any of them have any kind of a program in place. I also had a moment to talk with Lori in regard to kind of how this would work. And the fact that this board is advisory in nature, but your if you wanted to kind of get in the minded, it helps us then go out to the public. I need to work with the city arborist. I need to work with a few other folks before we would even consider saying this is something that would work. I would encourage you to maybe walk through a couple of other parts. I could see crossman park in some areas where in the widest areas where the pathway really doesn't get to these areas. So it would be really more protected than some of the others. Even in Howard E. Herman, there's a couple of areas within there that might make some sense. So I would encourage you to look at those two. Should we go down this path? And then obviously there's a few things I need to put in place before we can just grant permission. And I need to look at some, there's a few other people within the city I'd have to talk to. I am interested in the city of what these boards thoughts are on it. So I thought it was a nice idea to have Laurie and the Beard. I would like to add on Fairfax County. I think I've worked part and did have a city land go to. You guys will be keeping a lot of it. So I'll be a copy. I do have a copy to you guys. Do you want to try to get that information and point you down on the bank? Figure out what group it is, what organization, what who within Fairfax County is kind of sponsoring or overseeing it. That'd be helpful for me. What about any thoughts from board members? I'd be interested in watching this go forward. I think this is a great idea. I think, I mean, especially the state of these these days and how much that population has joined them down to the point it's almost scary. Anyway, we can encourage it. I think also it can encourage your group coming out of the blue, you know, beekeeping club. I think that's awesome. So I think I totally hope for moving forward on this because I think this would be really interesting, especially, and I think bees usually keep themselves too. So I don't see too much of a, I understand what the school position is because anything there, they're always going to be a risk at first. So, but if there is precedent in Fairfax County, I think this is something that would be pretty cool. If we could make it there. So, you can take your sponsor within the schools if you're working with me. Oh, if Dr. Louis-Werner was willing to sponsor. Be keeping that. No more. Yes. It only gets a solution so that you may be aware, but I believe there is the situation on top of one of the buildings that founders wrote on top of the verso building on the roof. But I don't know if the first thoughts of things were also a consideration if any suggestions were made of the assistant we could talk to about places where we could set up a hide. Maybe I'll take one. Then now make. Why would you rush it? I'm not a rash. I'm not really gasoline. I think you speak. My resident role is. Well, I guess I've also lived on the Urban Forestry Commission. And we're supposed to meet normally third. No, yeah, third Wednesdays of the month. And Gany Crumpton did the chair of Urban Forestry Commission and works very closely with the Indian. We've done a lot of the native sort of habitat work. And I know that Amy is also on Village Preservation and Prism Society and they hosted one of the pollinator sort of presentations at the farmers market food last year and so it may make sense. If you want to give me your information tonight or you can get a Danny for you to also come to our forestry commission because that's another place that if this group doesn't work out. I don't even know what the president's garden that's kind of like off of its off broad, you know, below where the life branch is might be another place to consider and have resulted in us for ants. It's usually pretty empty. Yeah, I don't see a lot of people right. And that may be another group that I would have to consult with regardless. So if you could start that conversation, it certainly would help the cause. Because Amy's sort of in that dual capacity, it would be nice to think about there too. Then the arborist comes to those meetings. He also, if you're about this at the same time. I think Amy would be a crack for you. Hi, Jenner, do you have any thoughts? I'm really supportive of this. I've been lobbying my husband for a high-end my for a while now and so I think it would be a really great thing for the city. I would be interested in seeing how we could get more kind of community support behind it. I understand it would be a club from India but it would be great if they're interested members of the community who would you know be interested in learning how to care for B is there being part of this or if you need sponsors. Yeah, very, very supportive. I think the general consensus is we're very interested in if we can gather more information. and it would ask you look in it to a from your end as to other jurisdictions and also check the city attorney tested whether liability reasons would keep this from coming. Forward. Is this something that could happen that fellas? That's also in the place that there are a lot of people there. I think right now it potentially could happen in any of the city parks. And then we start looking further into things that it might narrow up in stand. I don't think most are possible. Question is what's best of the circumstances. There's parts of Cherry Hill that are fairly remote. They're very very from activity. So I mean, I assume there's the location is probably not the hardest problem to solve. The hardest problem to solve is liability and education. I would think. So I think we're from hearing that person before here. I think we're very interested in at least investigating this. I'm going to appreciate your bringing that. What's with you? Yeah. You need somebody to keep going after work. I've got time and most of the time. I mean, recruit groups are softwires. Is that correct? That's a good idea. And more of the merrier, the more you bring to these meetings, the better it helps your cause. But I think this is the great thing that you've brought to our attention. And I also admire folks, especially who've never probably gone through this process before and jump again and and and and I tried to get back up with this in here, but he had sports meetings so I was doing it. Thank you. Anything else you would like to months? I don't think so. I was just here getting different interests to see what the work was worth moving forward on finding. So I think timing, it's probably month would probably be too short just knowing staffing so I think Danny can keep it up to us with him but I think we're probably like another two month back gathering information. Yeah our loss will be my guess. So that's those injuries little yeah. So thank you very much. Our member Amaris. All right. That means we deal. Well, you're a merit is in a lot of things. Thank you. First of all, I have a couple of thank yous. One is a lot of people really appreciate the efforts that were made to. Reschedule some of the winter stuff to other locations because of the HVAC project. So I was asked to thank you for, I know that took a lot of effort and generally to do that. Secondly, thank you for getting these courts done over here at the Community Center, but one will go website, site be updated. So right now, it only has two of four. Here at the Community Center, the Cherry Hill courts. I don't know if I they were they were up and running so it just says courts to inform to me you know whatever it is. I'll check on that. I was not aware of it. Yeah I'm going to call on that this afternoon. And I've got a full, but some information in regard to all those things, pickable ball that I can do at some point. I don't know if this is the right time. Say you make questions. You'll probably update it. That was no. My other question is, are they going to re-line or what are we going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be are again master's next with food in September 11. I can't move, function to approve. I motion to approve. Let's be all, let's be right here a second. Second. Second, Michael. Any discussion? Hearing none. All in favor say hi. Hi. Chad, do you want to hear me? Hi, all the time. Yep. That was not an honestly. And our response to her saying, but yes. All the versions passed. It's our presentation director. All right. I got a few things, but not too many. With Fall winding down, our soccer program is now complete. It's starting a little earlier this year because school started a little earlier this year, so it finished a little earlier. It hit me finally today. I'm like, wait, soccer's done. It usually doesn't end until, you know, a few weeks later, but Flag Football has one more week. And we're gearing up for our winter spring brochure is currently at the printer and Basketball registration is pretty much complete and we've got about 860 Team registrants over a thousand if you conclude the clinics We're which is about 140 more than we had last year. We've already started all of our assessments and some of the teams have already, I think, at the girls' fourth grade level have already been put together, so we're full board there. And first games, we'll start three weeks into December. So we are already into our winter spring kind of programming upcoming events. We've got our holiday gift and graph show December 7 and 8. And then after that watch night, we just got through a few, including our Halloween carnival that, once again, Mother Nature was kind. It was outside, went well. including our Halloween carnival that once again Mother Nature was kind it was outside went well and all of our movies in the parks and our concerts and I think it's been a while since we met but we've had a few things happen since then we did have our main meeting with all the other departments in regards to watch night things are moving along well there with the exception of we don't have a main stage itself right now it's um the Fairfax County stage is not available this year and then to find out that a lot of these other jurisdictions that have some kind of a stage that are not available that night but other than that watch night is moving along nicely and planning continues as that goes on. I wanted to spend a few minutes giving a little bit more of to focus on the other half of this week. End of out, local end of out. Little information about the HVAC project. I think that can be mostly good by the time. But so the project itself will start have anything going on during the day, but the evening activity will continue, and that is during the drilling of the geothermal wells. It will be extremely noisy during that time frame, so there's no sense in us trying to compete with the noise and have the programming. All of our staff will have the option in the first 10 days of January to kind of move our desks over to the trailers in Oak Street, which was previously housed the library and currently has the Levine School in it and has come in handy for a few different reasons. We'll move over there, except for our senior center program that will move to Columbia Baptist. And we've got an agreement in place. It hasn't been officially signed, but we're doing well with that process. The schools have been very helpful in regard to the Oxtrude Trailers. After that six-week period about the third week of February, there might be a specific day here, but we will then shut the building down completely because that's when the indoor stuff will begin and they'll start tearing down ceilings and things like that. The building will close. We'll then move all the rest of the evening program, everything else to the schools, to the trailers, to Columbia Baptist, to a few other locations, and that will last throughout the remainder of the end. At that point, the well drilling should be done, but the farmer market will also move during the well-drilling and potentially could move right back. We're still kind of playing that out to figure out exactly what all that looks like, but then when all the indoor stuff begins it will last right up until hopefully project completion should say hopefully absolutely de-floor June 1st and our summer programming begins. So the timing of things was very timely through public works driven a lot by us and our needs. We will lose the gym with a couple of weeks left in our basketball program but we can sacrifice that and already be back in time for the summer programming. But it looks like things will go well. I think the noise front, while we're going to run from it, will be something that people will have some conversation about, certainly, the residents that live in the immediate area. And the people that work in this building, maybe that the windows over there, there's going to be two raids, I believe, going all day at all times. So that's going to be a fairly disruptive for a period of time, but in the long run, it's one step backwards, two steps, three steps forward. Yeah, all days at all time. Do you mean Monday through Friday or seven days? We think you mean 20th. So depending on whether the beginning will probably be from the eight o'clock or so hour until 3 30-ish for the beginning. And then if there's any bad weather, the forces things back, they can go a little bit later into the evening and into the weekend should they need to but the good thing about them starting early is that they're not going to be under a major time constraint they really have until June well whatever they need to tie into them to get those done so I don't think they're going to have to rush those through and go all day, all night, all week. But that's maybe beyond my scope that that'd be more of a question for the public works Lionel. The law is person doing that. But so far, we've been working to together and keeping everything going. And so things are lining up very nicely. When everything happens, we'll report back in our January meeting. And we'll see how Paul and I am at that point as to how that's going. So that is my update on the HVAC and the end of my director's report for tonight. Do I have a cover pick of all and your director's reports? I can, since it's not really my old business. Absolutely, I'm special since you gave us. Yeah, I think we can expect my family to get it to us because I saw that, but, this may just vary. I'm going to be there. So this is some information and update on the pickleball. Here's a little letter that went out to our court users, whether you be tennis or pickleball or someone that might have been interested in what was on my none. And sure, I'll take one. And so you can kind of produce through that but I can also tell you what's going on there. We've talked about all these fancy kiosks we were going to do. We realize those, we're going to call some more than even relining all the ports. We've kind of shied away from that, but we're getting some new signage made. We've got some temporary signage up. We've started the process that are now four pickleball ports at the 50 cherry fill. I'm going to say cherry on cherry street So for these purposes, I might even say community center courts There's four new pickle ball Quartz just yesterday the pickle ball nets left cherry street except for one of them that is still there and there's now pickle ball nets here at the Community Center courts. So a little more difficult for folks that over at Cherry Street to continue to play four games at one time. I've heard words that people carry the nets on their backs and they'll come and they'll play. But so we've gotten some progress. We do have a contractor ready to go as early as next week to go and repaint everything over at Cherry Street and then add and leave one court there. They do website does call these the community center courts. Do we call them? Yeah, the website does. I think officially there's still cherry else. So anyway, community center and the contractor when they came here, so we had them an extra weeks delay, but they came here. They did some work and somehow the courts were a little off-kilter from what was some of the lines that were there before. Kindly enough, they came and looked at it and said, this isn't the work that we, we back. So we'll come and so we got a whole new main job. They repaired some cracks. So we might have gotten another two years worth of maintenance that we don't have to worry about. So that was a nice gesture, usually, at the fight and claw to get someone to admit those kind of things. But it was very nice of them. They are scheduled to come as early as next week. We're not guaranteed that time yet, but they did say that they think we're on the schedule for next week for the Sherry Street courts to be repainted with the ones set of lines. And then these letters have gone out and we're working with the community. We've started to begin our process of lack of a term cracking down on some of those groups that have 20 and 30 people showing up at one time. We've started some of the process of sending some specific letters to those people directly saying, you know, these uses are no longer allowable by the rules. So we're starting to work on that process. I'm not going to make claims that everything's better, but I think we've got a decent pickleball community, some volunteers, people that are willing to kind of help us make these things happen and make it as much of a win win as we can. And hopefully we'll start hearing reports soon about how people are enjoying their recreational activities. And it's not having as much of an impact on some of the residences and folks like that. And I just asked, you can hear me, I know, I know. So 120 North Fairfax Street, our home is directly behind those tents. It's on Cherry Street. We've seen, I've seen people bringing their own political mess. Especially when one of the events we wrote in over there. And, you know, my concern is that we are going to counter this more than we care to think about that people don't even come and they're going to put the necks up and they're going to play regardless. Now especially if they haven't been reserved, let's be readily I saw on the website that the tool has the reservation tool has been updated for the Cherry Street force and showing that there's only one A, it uses a ball for and the other two tennis points. It's so you could register to the tennis points. So that is my concern and they won't have lines right they're not going to have thick of all parameters. You can have people come in and put the tape on the, on the, or just like they hear for them. So I would like to know is they're going to be a hotline that I personally know them serious or that I can call real time to the right center here to the staff and say, Hey, you know, do you have a reservation on these courts? And they are now abusing the rules. My concern is about enforcement of the rules. And is there a hotline that can be used or set up for the purpose of, hey, this is still going on. You've worked very hard with the community, but I would believe we would want to make sure that all this hard work and expense and communication is effective. I'm sure the reservation itself is on the issue because we've they've only reserved the one point so they're bringing that up and it's not the reservation, it's not checking whether there's a registration. It's just the use of you. I don't know if you thought it through Danny, but this gets to do the point where we poured it. And then we do have signage. We will have signage options as people will mail and be played on X. And if it's violated, we lock the courts. Yeah, so those are some of the first warnings that you're going out to these folks. What they learned already is just reserve a tennis court and then you get two pickleball courts, then you can divide eight people you can go from there. So we've made a couple visits to the courts and then we've sent the letters saying, you're using this in a way that we don't expect. I worry about the word hotline, then it makes it sound like something's going to be done immediately. We don't have a part ranger. We don't have that kind of staff, our staff that are in the building really don't have the ability to leave for other safety reasons. However, we are open from eight in the morning until 10 o'clock at night, six days a week and another four to six hours on a Sunday. So we have a phone that you can call and record it. And so we can keep a log and start taking things and then we can look at who made the reservation and have those conversations. But Hotline makes it sound like you know it's going to stop immediately. And I don't want to make any promises to you that anybody's going to show up with a little siren going and saying you know no I wasn't right was that there be some way to alert sure and those are the people we want to be able to start cracking down on as far as uses that are of them permitted according to the rules. But I guess I hope they're self policing with them. But if that doesn't work, then the court can be locked. Yeah, I personally do not want to be the babysitter on absolutely. I mean, I don't want to be the jurisdiction. I don't want to be the one to have to go over there at night or late in the afternoon saying these courts are as supposed to be used in this capacity. I mean they've been looking at the city staff. I gotta be honest with you. I don't want you or anybody else to go out there and confront anybody. All that's going to do is potentially bust. So I would ask you to never go. That's on my end. That would be as big of no as going out and taking on some of the other rules. I really don't want that. That's going to cause controversy that we don't want. Go ahead and make the report. We'll start a little log and we'll take a look at it and we'll add that to our list of folks that we need to make sure they understand what the rules are. And if we find out that they're persistent violators, then we can certainly take their reservation capabilities away. And then we've got some other ideas later on to include all kinds of torture and stuff. It's not too cheap. I'd ask Charlie to probably more to call. Remember else if the round anybody who's infected by this, you know, right there, we don't have cameras there. I mean, that isn't there. It doesn't have cameras there. Dry bodies are snapshots of what happens. So the more information staff has to help these decisions. And I would assume the frequency of the violation was blue. The consequences will be based on the frequency of the violations I would think if it's one person doing it, you'll all grab the ability to read your information. So, large part of the community then, you know, cut it down, restribe it without pickle haul, take the steps necessary to work. And we do, I must say, I appreciate your patience because you've gotten a situation then, you know, the first time this came up with counsel that was very important, he wanted to blow it up, not blow it up, but wanted to report on it. But with the help, they would become a Fairfax situation. We really appreciate that this hasn't become a Fairfax situation that we've been able to try to resolve. They like saying, time has helped. Oh, sure. Sure, sure. I'm sure. And when their hour is, it's darker. And cold, and hopefully we can have it done by when it starts to change that everybody will be working on this issue. So, I mean, it's going to rain again. I was just thinking about the same thing. Danny, I have a question. Discudications is great. I assume that you're also putting in some other communication to those initial ones. Hey, heads up. There are six, right? Wherever it is up at George Mason, Meridian High School, right? Because that, well, yeah, I'm the positive side. We've got some clubs and some groups and work. There's a lot of pickleball being played. There's a lot of happy pickleballers because of the fact that Maureen has all these courts and our clubs are active. Leslie is a regular in our building. We're going to steal some of that during the circumstances of the year, but there's a lot of folks enjoying this sport. And that's what we want. We want them to enjoy it with the right intentions and the right reasons to the point where it's not affecting the the neighbors around them as much. And I'm sure there's going to be some effect. There's going to be people playing within the rules that are going to, you know, you're still going to hear and that others are going to hear. But that it's a it's a healthy recreational activity. So we're not. Pickleball isn't a horrible thing. It's been taken to a level that's made it to a point where we need to kind of pull the reins back a little bit. But yes, there's there's a lot of communication going on as well as to what there is to offer. Great. There's signage at there's streets and for courts of mental health, city health, park courts are now the liability courts are really on. There are many signage that's up. We're going to go to the city off of our culture now, the land, cabalini, and of course, really, uh, very side of it. That's up. We're making the permanent sideage and we've, we're being very careful to make sure that all the sideages correctly worded that it's working right before we go spend more money on the permanent side of it. But yeah, there's already some stuff up there. It tells you what you can and we can't do. And we're also learning that the nets we buy are just not folded up. And so we're spending lots of, so we've got some more work to do as far as getting this right. The signage does not include, you know, same thing. Where you take out the plan. Right. That's what. Yeah, helpful. So see for, you know, not everybody plays by reservation. They are walking. Sure, walking. They don't get all this information. And we get into the 19th century and put whatever there is you can scan. Oh, yeah. You are. You are the only one can scan it with the information there. So we're not doing sign pollution, but other places to play. You can look it up and a link to the address and directionally. You do this, there things. Come on, we're having a day. They do it back. They do it like a false interview. It might be, too, that I'll know. You're Danny. Oh, yeah. Tanisha. Yeah, sorry, I had my hand up. I'm not sure if you could see it. I'm glad to hear that we've mitigated some of the issues at Cherry Street, but what that has done essentially is put more pressure on the other courts. It's, you know, wonderful that we have eight courts now at Cavalier. As I sit inside my house with my windows closed, I can hear pickleball from 8 a.m. to 10 p.m. full time, seven days a week. I'm 70 to 80 yards away from the pickleball courts, their neighbors that are 30 yards or less. I really want to ask what is being done in terms of looking at acoustic fencing and revisit the idea of the requirements for the noiseless paddles since they exist and are not substantially more expensive. Those seem like two solutions that are not being investigated personally. It seems like we solved an issue for one community, which is the Terry Street Courts, and we have now created other issues for the other courts. And I don't want to lose sight of the fact that this is not an issue that was specific to those courts. The overuse, the noise pollution is something that, I've talked to folks who live over by the community center. Certainly my neighbors as well. It is exhausting in a way that's difficult to describe, to be in a house and not have any piece between 8 a.m. and 10 p.m. at night. I would love to hear what your perspective is on this and what you're doing to address the noise pollution on the other courts now that we seem to have scheduling in hand. Yeah, so we did do a little, we did do some research into some of the noise barrier fencing and we've got some real mixed reviews and then the cost are not something that we would be able to absorb such as we did with the painting but something then we can say that you have to use them, but I'm just not sure how that's ever going to be policeable. And folks are saying that those paddles don't play the way that the other things do. And so that one's a bigger one for me. It's a little harder for me to get my arms out. By virtue of telling people you have to use the the quieter paddles, it's going to be a very difficult thing to police and to go through. But the fencing, there's really been some some big mix reviews to the point where there's neighbors in some jurisdictions that have said that they really wish that kind of fencing would go away. And it's something that I need to talk to our public safety folks because you lose some of the vision into the courts and some so therefore some of the safety concerns of the some of the neighbors maybe, I don't know if it's a noise or the potential of someone lurking around in the courts. So there's been some real negatives to some of that noise barrier stuff that will continue to look into. When you say mixed reviews for the noise is it because it's not being effective or is it because it's an eye sore and it looks ugly? So some have said that the noise reduction is so minimal and then the cost is so expensive. It's just not worth it. Others say that the noise reduction is so minimal and then the cost is so expensive. It's just not worth it. Others say that the look is really bad. They used to have 41 later referred to it as I had four beautiful tennis courts. Now I have this box with this big wall up around it. And so those are some of the, you can see every time you fix one thing you create another problem and I can understand some of that. And then in the weight on those, apparently it's wind is kind of bending some of the poles and things like that. I think there's a little bit of technology that needs to be improved before some of those systems are ready to be pushed out everywhere. But Jenna, I'll continue looking. I'm happy to continue looking at that and having some staff take a peek at other ways. Cavalier is your absolutely right. It's probably more equivalent to the community center. And now we're going to have four pick-a-law courts at the community center I don't know when we'll start hearing some of that but at Cherry Street the homes are definitely closer to the courts than anywhere else and so that's a lot of where the decision came from. We look at a reduction of hours. I would be so supportive of that, honestly, even if it's just an hour on either side, that the nine to 10 piece is infuriating. So is the eight to nine, honestly, in the morning, especially in the weekends. It makes it impossible to keep our windows open, to be honest, like we really can't use our home the way we used to. Right. So the reduction value certainly easier with the lights. It dark, right? In the morning, it wouldn't be as easy if we said, we can ask people to kindly not to be able to place it, but the evening and certainly in the winter time, it kind of makes sense. It was really going to be out. There were people playing. There are people playing right now. They're definitely doing it. They're paying till 10 o'clock every night. They're off those courts at 10, 20. They're not just because the darkness has changed. That does not change demand for those facilities. Yeah. And my guess is, if we can reduce the hours by an hour, we'll have 40 people in here next month you know fast but you know it's something we can we can look at it I'd like to um I think there's a popular work yeah so let me let me I'm kind of like to say let's kick that around with some staff that we've been working on this together and say sure that that makes sense to us. Are there eight courts at Cavalier? Sure. Well there Well, there's two full tennis courts. Yes, court handles two fickle balls. So there's four fickle balls. It's not a hit. Did I say? No, it means eight. And it's Maria. Oh, there's eight. Well, it's Maria. Well, Maria. Yeah, with the lights. Yeah, Maria. So it goes from 10. How long does that? Yeah, with the lights. Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready and go some pills and and that one's the timing is more controlled by the school. The Brady and courts are for the court. It's the art kind of use because it's they're not going to bother anybody. Everybody's having fun. So it seems late in the residential neighborhood. In tennis has always gone till 10 or even 10, 15 for years. But pickle balls and different sports. Yeah, it adds all the whole new thing. So nine o'clock. I don't want to make a firm decision right now. But we'll certainly look at that. And I'm happy to look at that and consider and certainly it cavalier. We don't have to do that really at this point and maybe not here right now. Maybe that's still. I will say simmering when we're meeting on Sundays because we're in the rules. In the rules. In the end the hours. I mean I'm not very close to the file on Sunday. I mean Just because it can be open. Oh, this time you want to get started. But I get started I just reduce the lights to yeah, I know it is after the tennis players, but friends That's it just has to be a compromise somewhere. Well, I think the good thing is is we're gonna do everything We can to get the courts back for the residents and the people to pay for the maintenance. And maybe there'll be enough usage now to where limiting it back a little bit, it won't be as painful. Where right now there's residents that come in and say, I can't even reserve a court because there's nothing available to us. And so we still got that piece that we're working on and stopping some of the social media startup groups that are coming out and just taking over the entire court. So we've got some work to do. I should thank publicly the mostly Amy and Jimmy on our staff that have been working hard to help me come up with some of these plans, write some of these rules, get the signage in place, work with the contractor, get the courts painted and make all this happen in, I'll say relatively short term, I'm sure it doesn't feel too short to others, but for a short time, but we'll continue working down that, and that's So I hope in some ways for some extra patience, but we'll look into it. And Jen, I'll look into seeing what everybody's thoughts are in reducing hours more immediately and not waiting forever to make that decision. Yeah, you don't need to wait. I don't think I need to wait to come back to us to do it. I think I can get an idea. Right. Turn this way. So I'd also gives a thought of Sundays to when it gets dark. We're dumping the lights on at all at Sundays. And let there be a good rest. I mean, now the place is here, they'll want to play. Other times, just don't make it available on Sunday. Right. Is there a culture of requesting that pickleball players use quiet palettes or that? I mean in the community is it is there like a courteous like in residential? Liz Weatherall was the one who actually suggested it who was a former advisory board member and pickle a player and she's the one who said yeah you can buy these paddles and she said they're great. She didn't see that there was any difference in her performance. She's like, it seems like a no-brainer to just require that everyone have quieter paddles and then we lose the noise issue. It solves so many of these issues and it's such a cheap thing. Most pickle well players can, it's not a big, a big investment to upgrade to a quieter paddle. Yeah, I don't know if it would be worth having those conversations with the community. I would think that the pickleball players themselves would be eager for there to be less scrutiny on their playing as well. But... I guess I'm, it was just like Andy Pres precedent so far, is find out that there's some courts in Arlington where yeah, the community center right next to it, they'll let you borrow their silent brackets and use them. I've heard that the rackets are more expensive and the people just don't like them as much, but nobody's really set the precedent. It's another jurisdictions yet that have said, if you're playing on these courts, you've got to use these silent brackets. Doesn't mean we couldn't be the first. I do, I have weary of the fact that we don't have the ability to please making rules without the ability to do something about it. Kind of puts you in a really tough position and now you're really just kind of, does it completely multiple sound? I did rock it. No, there's still a noise that gets made. And I've heard the same thing that they're crappy rackets. Remember your ping pong pad? Yes, that we're wooden. And then all of a sudden they became this padded thing. And they quieted it down. And it's the same thing. Sure, the technology eventually will probably hopefully get there where they become good enough where the serious pickable players will use it. I guess the equivalent is what no rackets and wood rackets for tennis, you know, been seen. It's interesting that in our opinion they have. They did. Those criss-crossed about near sort of like, fact, it does sound like there's a community that is interested in police. I mean, some of the things that you talked about tonight for Cherry Street are like a self-policing. It's like, there's no enforcement. So I guess I'm just wondering if there could be a request or a mask that could be part of that in false church. You've had any response to that when you're engaging with some of the leaders in the football community. We've done some of that. We requested nobody to play on Sundays over at Cherry Street. No, there was certain time. I don't know how well I went. I thought we could look to my last. And the answer is this. Well, that's because they would be out and brought. On the other hand, there's always the one or two that comes at seven o'clock in the morning. I go out of my bathroom and I go quite still and open until 10. You won't give it there. That's what's saying you should ask him. I guess I'm inspired by the the no smoke or the requests to not smoke signs that just the power of asking seems to be pretty powerful. I wonder if in these cases that seems pretty miserable to live near it. I believe you. I guess like anything that could mitigate this seems worth pursuing. And on the blind side is what you're saying about. Because it's with the noise. That's the only way. Yeah, we can have some fun. We can see the racquet. It's the ball. If the court is cement, it's hard to enforce, right? So you got a hard ball, hard racquet, hard surface, and the guys who have a little bit more competitive edge, whack that ball for all its work. So even with a padded bracket, right? You're gonna hear that, what? What? And the higher the ball goes in the arch, the hotter they hit it. So it's, I feel for Jennifer, I do, for Jennifer, but it is a sport that can be a nuisance for those who live right on top of them. But I appreciate all the effort to help us out on the Cherish Street side and that's been, you know, I really appreciate it. I have taken six months, but we're getting there. This June. June, right? I was counting five. I don't want to. I do one way you got to be able to understand, right? So you need to have some stuff to do over the next one. And then we'll, and I'll look at the side and see if putting a please consider using, I don't know how many people own those kind of rackets, but we can certainly put it out there and maybe we'll get some results. I don't want to look at the difference would be three people and regular rackets and one had quiet. What's the curve on where it really makes a difference on annoying? I know it with with a regular. I thought it should. But I mean, I'm just kind of wondering what the. Yeah, how important. Right. So that's the end of your recreation. Retrieving board. It is. So did you get what you're leaving? Yeah. You were mentioning last time that you were reassessing the courts, it sounded like you were able to get, what kind of a deal with the pain here. It means that, did you have to, do you feel like you have to redo the courts in the near future? And had you had that, like a spend of cracks here and there so that we went out a few days after Oh, thank you. Oh, you want to give your men's for the last minutes? Yeah, well, great. We got sick of reading on the budget of men, men, and so there will be $1.5 million out of surplus funds going towards the health property. And in addition to that, $ 200,000 that will already be designed. So it's someone placed them in the $1 budget that's now funded. So it's fantastic. So thank you all for your time, Kim. Also for the neighborhood. There were a lot of neighborhood residents who wrote in, you know, wanting to remind Council, and I don't know if I got those, if everyone got them, I'd buy this piece on more, but in terms of, you know, that they have been, we're definitely waiting kind of for the improvement. And we're still very sort of, you know, as many forward, so everyone was, you know, happy to be able to do that and also have the sidewalk improvement element, kind of have a little bit there too, and the schools are so critical for all of that. So I'll say you, but thank you. Thank you. We were just finishing something else. You had a question about the court's actions. I went out and assessed, and there's really aren't nearly as bad as I anticipated. They would look three years after. Last time, especially the community center court, so the work they did out there, I think worked good for a few more years. There's one large crack at Cavalier that goes right down the middle of the thing. And those are not one we're looking at painting right now. So we're going to have to have a further evaluation and see whether that's going to cause problems moving forward. Maybe some some funding you'll have to get into that. But the other two, Cherry Street and communities that were in real shape. And I have not looked at it again. And you were able to find it with? Here's what funds you have. Yeah, we've got some money under the seat cushion. You can get it. Look, Anne, this is pretty old. Probably a lot. It's like, I'm not happy. Yeah. Allow. Oh, you probably have lots of stuff on your head. Yeah. I'm loud. So you know, still looking for the good. Good. I'll pass it by now. You want to get that off the record. I just, yeah, I didn't want to need to ask one question. The single we have and we haven't relying. Cherry Street yet. That might be the coming week. Is early this week, but when I looked, I was quite surprised at how good the court surface is in. So I'm not too worried about it. The cracks getting wet. I've said this before, but the cracks are fine throughout most of the year. Once the winter comes, water gets into those cracks, freezes, expands, and now your cracks have gone from a little bitty crack to the quarter-inch, the next year or the half an inch bottom-on. If, Tori and I hope you're enjoying this, if you're not, you're welcome to, you know, scoot out, nobody's been good. Good. Okay. Any new business? Yeah, let's get all of this. Which is part project. Yep, you want to start with fellow. You know, I engaged the news that last night's council meeting, which really just came up in the last two weeks, the council decided to allocate some of their surplus funds, but so we're trying to decide what to do with it. And they put a lot in their pocket and 1.5 was going to the fellow's part, redevelopment, which means we can get started. Now we have discussed some of the staff decided, we start on the hiring the architect engineer wherever we're going to end up using or not, because if it wasn't going to be funded in the near future into something. Now it's um, an allocated the funding's been allocated. Even is there and did you call the architect engineer today? Okay. Wow. It is. So there's a piece that has to happen before we can get the architect engine here and that is that the parcels were split into six different parcels, or whatever the number was. And now they have to be re-brought back into one parcel. And that's one. Why does that stop the planning? Because that's in power outflow, neither that has to happen before he's. So one, I don't know. Oh, fine. One I don't know that it needs to be done. Because if it even had to be done, my care is that it's six slots, because you're six, it's been summed about it. It's all into the same undershave. Oh, I asked that question. If it if it does need to be done, that's fine. Oh, I see. You're not done. We're not going to break ground on it. And you're just in the human. Good. And another thing to ask Allen, how does it make you know, expensive or time-lapse in it? I remember getting the subdivision plan. To subdivide it. Can you consolidate and plot in less than an hour? Because it's all done on a computer computer. And any attorney worked their solve which we're going to be looking for with you on the list of today. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. no, there's no lender, there's no. Don't let anybody in this process say that that's good. It's going to be a long time. That's nothing. You have to think of the city controls at all. City controls are approval of the consolidation. You have no outside energy. Yeah, if I could, if I could, and I'll check in that I didn't cut off. But I did want to, first of all, thank the board for all their after and on this. I was pretty sure three weeks ago, I was going to come in here to tell everybody that not only did we not have identified funding, but that our project manager was now going to write off into the sunset and that the fellow property was going to sit vacant for the next several years. So this really is some great movement forward. I think that the community that has gotten behind this is great news. It's a piece of land that at one point in time was obviously in the hands of the developer and there was going to be a bunch of houses going up and that was quickly stopped. I think in my mind, a good thing. And then the determination that we could turn it into a park in my mind, a great thing. What I would hate to see happen is that we don't take this momentum moving forward and do something really nice with it to the point where someone can come back in two years and say, well, you know what, that land still sit there. Let's take it and let's get certainly in South economic times for if there's something going on with the schools that happens and they say, oh, well, there's a piece of land. So it's nice to know that we've got an opportunity to do something nice and nice enough to where nobody's going to come along three years later and say, we can bulldoze over that. Let's get going with something else. So that's what I'm thinking in my head. But I do want to thank the board for all your work and help in this because this is a nice milestone in the project. And now we have to get moving and I'll be having those conversations as to how we've gotten. And the moving means that we'll start some design, and then we'll wait for a year before we do anything else. But if you think Danny's description of somebody coming on and taking it back, it happened to us at least three. We were able to purchase a piece of property, adjacent to Howard E. or street Mally Park, you know, a house. The thought that it would be. Arty Entremens shelter, whatever, but it was a piece of property adjacent to Howard E. Irwin that we could use. And what times that tough, the council decided we could use that $600,000 for some other reason. So the somebody wanted the property to put a trail in and lost the house from soul. So it's not out of the world. That was a relable of possible writing. So here, and it just works. I think there are a couple people who have guests here, and they want to discuss it on fellows. So if you have something to adapt by yourself, let's go ahead and get here before. Yeah, Bruce Byers, and I live at 405 Timber Lane, which backs on the fellow's property. The next one behind. Yeah, essentially. Oh, sure up. And I lived there for 25 years and I've been, I would like to know the developments there, of course. I was very unhappy to see it being set up for subdivision until I think it was seven lots. And the owner came along and then deforested a good strip of the old property to put in a sewage system for those lots. And then somehow it got abandoned and the city got it, which I also think is a very positive development. So in early 2020 when, during COVID, the city was starting to plan what to do with it. Pickleball courts were among the things that were being proposed. And we, a whole bunch of neighbors got together and formed a group called Friends of Fellows for us to try to not have pickleball courts, dog parks, music performance spaces, and things that this survey by the city had been floating. Everybody that we got together seemed to want to keep the place as natural as possible and have it very simple you know walk your dogs on leashes perhaps on paths with wood chips and a couple of benches to do bird watching or each lunch and read a book we had several neighborhood walkthroughs We had a walkthrough where I know that city council members and Dan and Charlie and a bunch of other people were there. So we talked through what we would like to see. And then as far as I was paying attention, there was a master plan, which was very simple, straightforward, benign, and it more or less bit with our vision of a natural green space, simple neighborhood park. You know, there's a saying, if you snooze a looves, and I didn't think that was snoozing, and I didn't think that if something was happening to turn a simple master plan into something which came in under the radar as far as I'm concerned. And a lot of other people in Friends of Phyllis Forests as well didn't know about the concept concept point, which is this elaborate, over-designed, expensive thing with Disneyland art animals in the forest, yoga platforms are desirable, and so on. So this macchi and I'm just hoping that because I was maybe snoozing that all of us neighbors and friends of all of us are not losing what we thought this was about. I'm not sure how this happened. The transition from a simple master plan into the vision, instead of you know that yoga platform or desired amenities for root orchards and berry bushes. Those are gonna get eaten up by the squirrels immediately. They're not gonna go to meet people. So I just wonder how this happened. And that's my main question is how did I get so. I don't know how did this fly into my radar to the point where it sounds like this is designed. I do not think that if we gather together people and the neighbor, but they're not going to say what Mr. Steele said here that everybody's behind these plans, these silly benches that look like dismal installatures and so on. I don't think they're going to say that. So I think we need another public input process in the design process so that we can go back to redwood bench, no little packing animals, et cetera. Got it? Oh, before it was proposed to have a- I understand I just I don't want to start commenting. And like if you're finished, it sounds like you were finished by just one of the sure. Yeah, although I would like to know questions now, so I don't know if this should have been a petition. Maybe we'll cut back with a petition later to say, we would like to ask this advisory board to reopen the design process. What I wanted to get out to is the process, what do we know from here? What happens from this is what I was trying to address for you, but I didn't want to cut you off. Yes, not okay. So do you have anything? Yes, there's a human actress. Like you know, for three timidly. And when Bruce is referring to the friends of the fellows, it's mostly people that live around the perimeter of the party. A few other people, but particularly people along the park, and I wantberland, and they're on the Phillips Court. Some of the people have changed since this process started, sadly one of the members has died since. And this represented a lot of people who have lived there for a long time, knew the Phillips family, and had seen this devolution. And we all strongly agree with the comments you made about the one Aaron came in, one of the built the houses, and essentially a clear cut, 100 year old, those. Not all of the stuff, you know, it's happened that you're after we bought the house. I quit to bought the house. And I felt like the Borex at that point, I wanted to stay at the house. That's what it's saying. like the Dorex at that point, they wanted to stay. So when the city got this place, we were all very, very, very happy about this and thought it was outstanding excellent position. And because of the pandemic and everything else, the process has been a little bit tricky. And then a lot of us were surprised. Somebody came around putting brochures on our doors. The guy was doing this when I opened the door and found there and he said, he told me his name, but I forgot him, sorry. And he said, yeah, we're pushing for full funding for the park and it's great. Can you tell me what's happened since we had the master plan? And in my mind, this was still what the master plan was. And this is what Bruce referred to when he said to the master plan where he felt that was good and good, and people wrote comments and this is what resulted. And then there was the reference to, oh did you have you seen the new master plan in this PowerPoint, which I had not. And so I said, okay, well how do I access that? There was a flyer, which I did not bring with me. But he said, yeah, you can go there and look it up. We tried to do it immediately. And for instance, it's done and some other people have been down the street. And we were pretty surprised to see, a budget for $1.9 million, and then these, what seemed like, fairly developed ideas about putting up a big issue, putting up this yoga platform and some other equipment area of stepping stones and things. And I was surprised enough too that when I saw that budget, I looked at that and I thought, okay, well, what are the prices here? Now, I did actually just add up the numbers that were there on the PowerPoint. And that actually adds up to 2.5, militant. And so I was looking at this and thinking, there is a little bit of a dissonance between what's in the master plan and the Bruce's referring to. And then what we see in the PowerPoint. So I guess part of Bruce's question that I'm emphasizing now too, is where actually is the process and how real is what we're time can explain a little bit of the timeline because we've been in in human eye rate conversations probably three years ago now when we first got started so in 2002 January 2022 was just after we did the survey and the community input survey and things like that. We sent a note out to the interest in group, which included a couple names we mentioned tonight with the Urban Forestry Group, Bruce in regard to the Friends of Fellows, other neighbors, and anybody that had shown interest and come to any of the public interest groups that we had promised to stay and touch with throughout this thing. And I realized that staying in touch was going to be very difficult because it was an email chain that changed constantly. So we sent a letter out in January of 2022 saying that here's where things are. And from now on, please refer to the Projects page on the public works site in regard to the Fellows property. The part master plan that you just held up is part of the city's full park master planning process that happens in all the different parks over time. We also 10, 12 years ago we realized that there's no sense in doing them until we're getting ready to develop some of these parts because some so much changes that we went in and we did that. That's an approved park pass to play. That is just very low level conceptual once should potentially happen. It was determined that there's already playground equipment across the street. There's no reason to do that. There was other things that were determined. There should be some passive uses of the park, not so much heavy active, thus, pickleball courts, dog parks. Someone, it talked about BMX bikes, bike trails, things like that. So all those things didn't make it into the park master plan, but then the plan was taken. And so that website address that was then sent out saying, please refer to this, moving into the future, has been updated over time. I'll admit that it's never perfect because as soon as you post something on the website and you put it up, it can get old the next day. But we have gone in and the public works. Alex Dorg, who's the project manager, he was keeping it updated. He did some presentations and he put the presentations online to play a commission and city council, so on and so forth. So that is more of the beginning of the design piece. And the determination was that we would do as much of that as we could kind of moving things forward in a house because we've learned lessons in the past and some of our other park builds where Charlie can tell you some crazy numbers at big chimneys where we handed it over to a design team before we even gave them conceptual ideas and told them, you know, Bill is this beautiful park and they come up with this unbelievable, well we'll say Todd's my hall look and then he had to pay money and then to reduce it back down. So I thought we were making the right decision. I still believe we made the right decision in saying, let's start some of the, let's take the park master plan. And let's start some of the process. There was a had a large desire for some local native fruit bearing trees to, to go back into the area that was deforested and forested back. So that was where the fruit bearing trees came in. The idea to use the lower area down towards park spring, timber and parker, and leave that alone and leave it more natural, was in effort for some of the water control things we get, but also to protect some of the neighbors that lived right there. And then the design started moving, but it still needs a lot of the stuff that fits into that plan. So that's where things came since then. So I don't want to get defensive, but sneaking up or throwing, you know, the catching people while they're sleeping. I think all that information has been sitting on the west side throughout. But I guess my question still would be, I can't see a way that you could get from this to desired amenities being kidney animals along the trail or being... Yeah, Danny. That's right. That's right. I'm happy to insert in these things. being kidnable so on the trail or being a local client. Sorry, I'm excited. Concerted these things. I got John, I'll get right under the somehow under the umbrella of a fairly simple straightforward natural focused master plan. Someone without public participation as far as I can see, I don't know that this one's going on, I would have said, whoa, the the ecology of the place is its own brain garden. If you just let the trees grow, you do not need to construct a rain garden, because it's a natural ecological structure for the tributarian troops run that goes down towards the smoke. That's where it did sneak up on me. And maybe again, maybe I was snoozing, but I hope that we're not losing both money and some national mess of the place because someone inserted this stuff while some of us were currently not on top of it. Janet, do you want to make a comment? Yeah, I just wanted to say, you know, in terms of some of those pieces that you mentioned, like, you know, there was there was a large one of the largest community inputs was a desire for environmental education. And so some of the elements that are proposed in the plan, things like the rain garden are intended to help the kids from across the street come and use the park. So there's there was a really big desire to make sure that we were providing an outdoor space where the kids from Oak Street could come across the park and learn things about native plants, about the hydrological cycle, as you said. And so there are elements of that, if I recall, I have looked at the Master Park Plan in a while. That was one of the biggest things. It was keep it natural, keep it passive, don't have active sports, don't have, you know, large structures, but make it so that, and for me, it was never a yoga platform. It was an environmental education space where the kids could come over and kind of sit outside and you could host, you know, classroom activities. That was a huge piece of it. And so the, the, the, the little, kind of wooden sculptures like we have, for example, at Cherry Hill or exist and Howard, Eherman's stream park, are meant to really help the community, especially our younger residents, engage with the space. And so when we were thinking of transitioning the park master plan into what we saw, and this was presented at public meetings, I think, like a year and a half ago, if I forgot correctly, that was really yet. And so I, I actually don't see any conflict personally between what we've come up with and the desire of the community. We, you know, we, we, we, we asked a dog park, we asked pickleball courts, we asked play equipment, we act to large roof structures. It is a passive nature park, but that doesn't mean that we're, you know, not trying to make it welcoming to, you know, some of the biggest neighbors, which is Oak Street Elementary. And I also just wanted to comment briefly on the cost because this is something that has come up a couple times and I don't know to what extent it's outlined in the PowerPoint your referencing. Because again, I'm apologies I'm out there tonight. So much of the cost has to do with creating essentially an ADA, I believe it's ADA, consistent space. And so there's a huge amount of money that we've gone back and forth with to City Council, for example, when we build this park, we have to add in sidewalks that do not exist on several sides of this park. And that is where a tremendous amount of the cost is coming from. And so when you see a disparity between, you know, how is this cost so high? A lot of that is driven by those sidewalks, the electrical building out that perimeter of the space. You're right. What's going into the park itself is not substantially expensive. There's no play equipment. There's not at these large structures. So I just add those things in. I appreciate you coming and letting us know that, you know, there are elements of it that, you know, you're, you feel are inconsistent with the input that you gave. But I, I personally think it's going to be a very welcoming park and used, you know, often by the school children at Oak Street, which makes me happy. Thanks, Jen. I will come up with a couple other things for my one. This is my final design. Yeah, that's the question. That was this has to go through the planning commission. As it goes through city council, there'll be one. There'll be an opportunity to comment when at our stage, we've had public, everything we've done has been public. We've kept it public. So when it comes back, you know, as a design, it'll be public, planning commissionally public, council will be public. So that's all part of that. So it's not done. For the overall and genital, very well pointed out how we ended and what this, you know, what are our thoughts were in as this presented and moved forward. I think about a four acre piece, and I think at least two thirds of it will be kept natural. Some of it, you talk about the swath that came through, that was done there in the development process by the developer, and they didn't abandon the property. The city filed eminent domain to take it from them if they wouldn't sell it. And it was a seven-year process when it was under the threat of eminent domain when they finally came to a sales price that both sides would agree to. So it just to be clear, it wasn't abandoned. It was taken by a certificate of take file. Have they missed a deadline or something though on filing when a grading plans were done? Yeah, once the once the certificate of take is taken, they can't do anything. They lose their right to do anything with the property on glitch on their side, I think. Maybe, but you know, once the certificate of take is done, it's there's two things that can happen with a certificate of take, which is a process allowed under the Virginia statute where you have to give them an appraisal, you have to give them all this kind of things. They're right to use their property as gone. And it's subject to the court as to one, whether it's a valid certificate of take, meaning is this Republican purpose and for a park or school, whatever the public purpose. Or two, what's the value of the property? And that's the only question with a certificate of once she'd filed a certificate of take with in this Arleith County Circuit Court. So, you know, just we know where the condition was in. So, you know, in all our discussions and looking at it was okay. Well, we have to look at is not just fellows of Parker and Jimber. We have a two square mile use of this property as to what's the benefit to the city of this property. And is it really a benefit to the city of spending $4 million for this property with, I mean, unfortunately, without any group let's doing it. And the thought is, as we looked at this, was what improvements can be made. And that is replanting that area, which is not cheap. The arborist is consulted, you know, say any group, the environmental council is consulted as to what, what you can go in. So I think if you look at it, it was always thought to degree some kind of a frail through there to be able to get into the, not the back, the back. I think the back is left totally untouched, which was one of the main requests that anybody about years don't touch that back piece of it and that was absolutely left there. You then have the middle section, which has been plowed in. So, okay, what can be done in there from now and brought to us? Do we like it? Do we not? Hey, somebody came up with the idea of a growth of a growth. You know, some of the nicest places I've seen in areas are grows. Maybe just be feeding the local animals, maybe, but in that part of what nature is is feeding the local animals. I have deer and they only know come in my yard because I have a dog, but I have deer and every other yard in my neighborhood, and that's going to continue there as this goes. If this is still in the works, then yes, there's some dialogue to do it. It was Friends and Fellows Forest that proposed a grow of American chestnuts in that area to revitalize the species that's now coming back because of light-resistant chestnut trees. Sure. And the squirrels are going to eat every one of those, like they do from the chestnut trees in RER. Right. And that's that you're not going to have berry bushes and pear trees and things, are not going to get again. That is not that's not even stone. Okay. So that's that's really that's saying none of this is in stone. You know what is in stone right now is 1.5 million days today and it's what can be done with that and we have to as, as we move, I don't, you know, I'd ask you to go look through Big Chimney, if you haven't recently. It's a different type of park, but it shows what we would like to do. You talk about these little animals. I think one of the neatest things and we've been able to do on our parks is use on trees and have somebody come in and carve them into eagles or the big I mean the big chimney carbon that that guy did was absolutely incredible for what it is. So we we find ourselves to be stewards of our parks. I find myself to be a steward and I find myself to be very proud walking through them. But there is a balance between the people in the next door and the whole city. And we heard that with the Bigelwald courts too. But I'd like to take a step back just to the bigger picture. So in case people have picked up on the wrong signals here, this is an awesome thing that's happened. It's really, really good. Everybody's really quite happy about Felton's Park and that through the different failures of the pandemic and everything, the progress is going to be made. There was a little bit of a jump from what I felt like everybody that I knew, not just up and down Timber relating part of Oak Street, and within that two mile radius, but even beyond that. A bit of a jump from what we saw as the narrative to then what we saw at PowerPoint. And when you post things, we can see that that sometimes it's a bit of a jump when you don't necessarily see that there's going to be a meeting, and you get somebody gets worried about 24 or 48 hours before it or something like that, or when you get the idea that there's going to be a meeting and you get somebody gets worried about 24 or 48 hours before or something like that or when you get the idea that here's a chance for public comment. Okay, so that's just a process question. And, you know, there is great agreement, for example, I'm using native species and everything like that. I have 20 blueberry bushes in our yard and that's fine. And the animals eat a lot of them, but I still like growing blueberry bushes. These are great things. Those are details for the forestry and the arborist, people to work out. Some of those details, I would have some other suggestions, which I discussed with the previous arborist before he left. But the idea is, okay, when is the next chance for around public comments on the latest stage of design plan? And then the question is, how seriously should we take the specifications that are put in this PowerPoint? And the last clarification I would like to put here is I wasn't just looking at the budget in St. G. That's a lot of money. I looked at the budget numbers and they don't add up. If you take the numbers in the PowerPoint and you add them in Excel, they don't add up the number that was put there. So I looked at the script and said, I have to look at that. I don't know. That's all I was trying to say. It got taken and he's going, oh, are you saying it's true? It's not. It just weren't accurate. And I just like, I mean, this is that was more based on the thought of this is a lot of money. We can leave it in a natural state. That comment rather than year 2.5. It was just what we have. And we again, we've dealt with this before in that what the part amenities, portion of it is. It's swallowed up a lot of times in what public works wants and public works and planning commission requires to put in. Believe in there, I was walking every day up the block adjacent to this on the street where there are three power poles right in the middle of it and two people not even one person barely walks straight up there. That's things we have to take care of. As part of this is to make it ADA accessible and safe routes to schools. I mean there's the sidewalk proposed. I don't know, all along the side. So there's a, you look at the number, the number that's about 1.7, which is what we're allocated and what we have to then potentially engineer to launch portion of that fuel speed public works. And a lot of this will be governed by wrecking the fuel. My only comment was that it was enacted. Right. So some of the comment about the Disney type. So some of the amenities, if you will, or the pieces that go in, the little scavenger hunt that's part of the along the trail. So in the past, we have had a tree sculpture artist come out. We're also learning that those are falling apart out here. These are going to last longer, but they're not wooden, and they're not going to be done with a with a tree sculpture, but they're going to be they're going to look that way to the kids that come out and enjoy the the park in that way. They're not going to be so so anyway they're it's a little bit different, but the the overall general concept is definitely taken from that part master plan. And the amount of public works, street improvements is a large parsing portion of the budget. Well, I'll look at the budget numbers. I do all that. And the environmental education for the kids, and everything of course that's huge. And that platform comes from. So there are other, so that quite a little bit of what the teachers at Oak Street had to say about that. How are they going to use it? How are their kids appreciated? They can give you an awful lot of excellent feedback. And we've done that before on par com entities and stuff. We've been- But I have to propose the shelf, I'm sorry, Charlie. That's part of our process from going forward here because now it's, you know, Al's done a lot. The professionals have to tell us, you might can really go in here, what can't, what can be done, we've done it before, we then go to the school with, okay, here's the elements, we have kids, what do you like? And we go to the public too, they'll be a presentation. Once we get the architect engineering landscape, whatever the use involved. We have public hearings, multiple public hearings as it goes for as to what actually goes in. This is our guide for now. Will it look like that? I don't know, but it will be chance. For example, on the platform idea, friends of all of us was pushing as hard as we could on this as a resource for environmental education for kids. We had a bunch of teachers who were trying to help push that too. Not a single one of them mentioned a platform. It was like can your kids come over and sit in the grass? We've also talked about having various various ports doing this, you know, what looks like, not an amphitheater, but stops, whether they're real stops or whether they're manufactured stops to look back, you can have to sit around. At the same time, we've also thought about what are multiple uses that can be done. Those can be used to sit on to have a class or whatever, and that can be used. Those can be used to sit on to have a class or whatever and that can be used for the next kid afterwards to jump from one to the other. So there's something that could be used. Yeah, this is. And the shelters in there and that that serves an unbelievable purpose in a lot of our parks. People go out and they'll have a little family gathering a picnic within the park and that shelter serves as the rental space within. So it doesn't take up so much space that it changes the way that the whole design of the property. So there are some things in there that are not built by nature, but they are there. I think they're going to be great amenities for a park that is used by the entire community. So sure, it's not. So anyway, yeah, the platform came from other nature areas where someone can come and do a presentation in front of the children and has that kind of a place. And I did potentially see some very passive hobby type classes, maybe yoga taking place out there. That's a very popular thing to do in nature. So those are the kind of things that I could envision. They're not necessarily in as Charlie has set on several occasions, but there's no reason a park shouldn't be used for some of those purposes. I mean, there's a Sunday yoga class that takes place at Oak Street every Sunday morning on the black top there. Is there a reason that couldn't be moved over to a platform in a park? Or the grass? Parmin? Or the grass? Or the grass? We have grass. We have it here during the summer, the farmers market there's there in the grass area. It can be. So it's way, it's what is, what is allows for the most variety of uses and the best and more frequent use of that? I mean, there are ADA considerations. That make for a platform. So I think, but I think one of the things I'm hearing, I guess I'm wondering too, if there's advice about a place where some of the input that you're voicing can be presented. I don't know if you have any background. I just hope that I'm happy to hear that this is not a sufficient process and that we will still have a chance, even if I was snoozing to come again and say, well, couldn't we tweak this? No, this is the kind of idea I like, but wouldn't it be more natural if or et cetera? Ecolidological stuff is something that I've actually done professionally. So, I'm afraid of just like we can just play by the other people. There's the animals. We can create that. We can create that chance sooner than later and not even wait till the full site plan review. And because one thing I do want to continue to work towards is having this design process, not have to get changed 52 times. Every time you do, it's just more money. You're throwing into the architects engineers. So we can create that. We can have another public forum within one of the advisory board meeting. We do it all the time. So it's not un-copened. Why don't we add the January one plan on having it? Yeah, we can with another session when you started a little talk. I'll see where things are and see what's going on. And then put a plan together. But absolutely. And you can revise this version of the, you know, and elaborate on this version of the Powerpoint of 7. And make sure that that's circulated well in advance. We can sort of dig and take a look at it. And please, please ask the teachers at Oak Street. Yeah, that's something that we still need to do is work with the, because I'm going to offer a lot about what's actually useful for the kids. Yep, they'll know this. A lock through, too. I found it really useful to have these lock-throughs with the friends of Elf Forest Group and also with youth folks and with the city council members that have be there to see how the space looks. It's hard if you're sitting here and see a PowerPoint to see how close would that platform be to this and how would this ADA path come up here? And so. There's some. I mean, a lot of that stuff is, like you said, conceptual because it all of it has to be field located and done. You know, we can say the path's going to go here, but playing it times, it doesn't work in the field. So it's all, it's, it's, it's still a concept. And there will be time, like I said, there will be time before us, there will be time before the playing condition will come. So that's that's really encouraging. Then even like the shelter, like the picnic thing, he'd also, if you're there and you look at it and remember the previous offer is saying this to the entity, he said, yeah, well, you have to keep in mind that for six months out of the year the shelter has a view basically not of these trees because they have a perfect view of the backyards of these four houses in Longton, Berlin where you can see their deck, you can see their backyard, you can see all their windows that face something and that's your view. It's not a nature view for at least five and half months out of the year. Yeah that time of year I can see the park from my house. So I had to do that. Any other discussion along that farm? Not that part, okay? And I can go pretty quickly to Birmingham. It didn't anybody, was there any furniture? I said there was no further discussion. I didn't regret it. But I made that. Birmingham Park, we need to go, because it's over $100,000, we're working on getting it to council, even though they went through the process and the CFP to give us the money, we now need to go to council to get permission to assign the contract once that's done. I think we're ready to go. I've gone through all the other pieces we need to go through, make sure everything's gonna fit in there, make sure what we've got is kind of what we want. And I think we've checked all those boxes and now we've got to get it on a council schedule and get that done. Then we can sign the contract, then we can order the equipment and then we're probably four months before the equipment's built and ready to go. So we're already getting closer to the end of spring, maybe even summer if we get to council soon. So that's where that is. Just wanted to give an update on that. Thanks. That is all I have. Matthew, any update on yours? I'm serving on civil final project on the spot. So we get with you on the next meeting. That's perfect. HBAC project you've already discussed. Did that earlier? Any other entertainer motion to adjourn? Oh, second. Oh, should you? We have a second for more emotional. Oh, I'm all. Very much. Thank you, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Adam. Thanks, Adam. Thanks, Adam. Hi. I'm kind of thinking about the football box. She was under. Let's just hear what goes. I'm going to for sure. And why you. I'm just. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm.